From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 01:43:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA16h2A18375; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:43:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031113923.050f7190@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:21:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping History In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 PM 10/28/2004, samba * wrote: > I'd always thought Pierre Shaeffer had invented looping(at least I > thought that since I found out about such things) ,and according to this > history, he did,only he > did it by cutting a nonspiral groove into a phono disc In 1942 while > working for Radio Televison France. I would call that an early form of sampling, not really looping. Looping is more of an interactive performance technique, where the sound is being recorded to the loop and played back at the same time, and the performer is interacting with it all. That doesn't seem to be what Schaeffer and others like him were doing at all. The work Schaeffer and others doing Musique Concrete did was mainly compositional. It seems like a direct ancestor to many forms of music today that are composed by combining together many different samples, like various forms of electronic dance music and hip hop. That is certainly an interesting historical lineage to follow. But it isn't exactly the same thing as what people call Looping. Looping is clearly very related to these ideas, and there is crossover between the concepts all the time. But for the most part Looping is a distinctly different concept that has gone along in parallel with sampling composition techniques for decades. If you want to do an honest historical study, you need to understand the difference and follow the different lines through time. There is a reason why Loopers and Samplers and Audio Sequencers have totally different features in them and one does not replace the others. >So he would have had access to cutting edge technology so to speak. His >engineer/assistant ,Pierre Henry was a student of Messian. Apparently >Shaeffer's work lead directly to the Mellotron,arguably the first >commercial looping device It is clearly not a looping device, as it lacks the basic features that make something a looper. No way to record the tape as it plays back! The Mellotron is an early form of a sample playback synth. >In some circles Les Paul has long been given credit for inventing >multitracking,I don't know how accurate this is ,but he does seem to have >introduced it into popular music. Also, as we discussed in the past, Les Paul never really did looping either. His "Les Paulverizer" was really a bit of a showman's gimmick. He triggered pre-recorded samples of himself (on tape), but did it in such a way as to fool the audience into thinking what they heard play back was what he had just played. Similar to the overdubs he then made, it was all pre-recorded, but performed to look like it was done in real time. So he was pretending to be looping, but not really doing it. Perhaps he would have done it for real if he had the technology to do it, and you could argue that from the audience's perspective it was real. Certainly many people were experimenting with tape recorders in the 40's and 50's. (and earlier in Germany). Clearly many of them independently came across the idea of setting the tape in a loop and allowing the record and play back to be engaged at the same time while they played into it, thus "looping". It may not be possible to decide who "invented" it. As with many concepts, the times and technology developments set the right conditions, and suddenly many people found it at once. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 01:44:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA16hXO18433; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:43:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:43:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031121922.053b2130@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:41:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD In-Reply-To: References: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:52 AM 10/30/2004, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD >>out and what their thought were on it too. > >If anyone can afford it, that is. Isn't it about $185 for 3 dvds?? How much would you pay for guitar lessons to teach you the same things? I used to pay $120/month for guitar lessons from a top jazz teacher, and that was 15 years ago when I only had $600 a month to live on. I managed because it was important to me to learn, more important than where I lived or what I ate. I would expect to pay more today. I guess it is just a question of where your priorities are and what you sacrifice to reach your goals. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 01:57:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA16tck20980; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:55:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:55:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031121922.053b2130@loopers-delight.com> References: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041031121922.053b2130@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:54:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-2MbN.A.1EF._2dhBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How much would you pay for guitar lessons to teach you the same things? The going rate, whatever that may be these days. > I would expect to pay more today. I guess it is just a question of >where your priorities are and what you sacrifice to reach your goals. Not really. I've played for 23 years or so, and I've put in 10 hour/day sessions for weeks and months on end (back when I was a kid and had the time to do so). I've done my share of woodshedding and "sacrificing" (I use the term very loosely) Here's my point. I have tons of instructional material by top pros already--maybe you do, too. The McLaughlin set costs considerably more than the rest, for whatever reason. Is his dvd going to show me anything that I can't already find in my other videos/dvds/books? Maybe, but maybe not. I'd just like to know what I'm getting first before spending that much cash. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 02:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA17RK125426; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:27:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031225010.0473d160@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:24:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot In-Reply-To: <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:07 AM 10/13/2004, Larry Cooperman wrote: >On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >>Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with >>regarding the EDP? Between the manual, the online FAQs and knowledge >>base here, I think there's a ready answer to most questions. > >My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the >thing. The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of an >artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm reading >the manual. Getting back to this whole controversy over the Echoplex manual and my manual writing skills or lack thereof, I never was able to understand exactly what problem you have with the manual. You wrote a lot of nifty words and interesting literary references in order to say "the manual sucks". So far I've found this unhelpful, because there is a complete lack of specifics. Can you give some specific examples of how or where it sucks? Exactly what was wrong with it? And if I were to improve it, what exactly would I do? I wonder, is your problem with the manual one of expectations? Do you think a manual for a looper is going to teach you how to play the instrument and be a looper? It won't do that. Mostly, it will only explain the details of how the features operate. Or, compare to another context: Did you learn to play guitar in one afternoon by reading the manual that came with your guitar? Or did that manual only explain how to adjust the bridge and change the strings, and you learned to play from teachers and years of practice? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 02:31:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA17TrY26309; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:29:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:29:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8@aol.com> References: <13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:27:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <72jlWB.A.KTG.aWehBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >"All the modes, scales and exercises you will find on these DVD's >are there to be learnt and then forgotten; since when you experience >the timeless joy and spontaneity with your musical colleagues, you >will certainly not be thinking about which scale or which chord to >play, or which time signature the piece is in. In this state all notes >are good, and you will move in your own natural way with soul >and eloquence. In short, it becomes poetry, and you are the Poet. >Your way is The Way." --JM This is all well and good, and to a certain extent, I agree with JM. But, as I told Kim in my other reply to this thread, I've got instructional material out the wazoo already, so I'm mostly curious what makes JM's material unique. Depending on what is (or isn't) covered, it may (or may not) be worth it to me. After you spring for it, I hope you'll get back with us soon. ;) Thanks! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 02:37:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA17Zdx27259; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:35:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:35:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:33:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS/4AkhnnLolUXrQQmfMFWbOZyCjgAApGVQ Message-Id: <20041101073352.SHNH19922.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Jeff Shirkey wrote: Is his dvd going to show me anything that I can't already find in my other videos/dvds/books? Maybe, but maybe not. I'd just like to know what I'm getting first before spending that much cash. ---->You would probably be able to sell it on eBay if it wasn't what you wanted. I also want to point out that looping (hey! We're back on topic!) affords the guitar player an environment conducive to study exclusive of other materials. Let's pretend that the music is "in you"--looping allows you to investigate that as an observer, and also enables you to create Aebersol-like backup noise. BTW, I think $25/hr is a good rate for lessons (I am just pulling that out of nowhere); at that rate the $175 for this http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=17686 qualifies as a bargain. Not that I'm buying it--but John IS the man (along with some others still living). Wonder what Andre LaFosse (or Mike Keneally!) charges for lessons? Gary (still longing to understand harmonic substitution) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 03:25:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA18OsH01216; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:24:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:24:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031225010.0473d160@loopers-delight.com> References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041031225010.0473d160@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B4A2CFB-2BDF-11D9-BDF0-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:22:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 31, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:07 AM 10/13/2004, Larry Cooperman wrote: >> On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>> Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with >>> regarding the EDP? Between the manual, the online FAQs and >>> knowledge base here, I think there's a ready answer to most >>> questions. >> >> My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the >> thing. The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of an >> artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm >> reading the manual. >> I have to say something before I answer any questions: I never >> called you or anyone associated with the manual an idiot. Now if you >> acknowledge that then I'll talk to you, otherwise you can just >> understand that from a history of reading everything associated with >> music and music machines, from a guy who has a terminal degree in >> music and doesn't talk about it, I have read much, much clearer. Now with this email going out to everyone and their looping brother I want you to say that I never called you an idiot. Maybe you're used to it from idiots saying how much they dislike the manual but anyone who understands this machine enough to write about it, even in a semi-beatnik way, I would never accuse of being an idiot. Correct your header. The manual may suck but I never said you were an idiot. Saying that I did is maybe silly. Shit, the only idiot I know who wrote a manual is the guy who wrote "How to pick up chicks," because he never said get a guitar and grow your hair long. Easy as pie. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 05:07:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1A6TZ20141; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:03:09 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s...... Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello from a beginner EDP to the other beginners, To learn faster the EDP I went around the two manuals (Echoplex and Loop IV....I'm not sure an unified one exist yet). Tired of the process of updating myself from one manual to the other I copied them section by section to a file on a word processor. I have ordered the entries by button (Record, Overdub etc...and not in alphabetical order) and inserted the LoopIV upgrades paragraphs related at the end of every single button of the echoplex part. I did this first part only considering Moreloop=1 and then I'll have to go through the second part that begins when moreloops is different than 1 (and I'm aware that this will be something...). I'm still editing: reading in this sequence seems evident that few parts of echoplex manual seems no more actually valid and may be erased from my text. Sometimes a specification (Quantize=on or Quantize=off and may be more) need to be added as a reminder because at some points in the Echoplex manual this is specified only in the Figures and not in the text. I can go through my own manual methodically starting with the different parameters of every button and the different alternate ending, trying practically all the steps and alternate steps....etc...it seems to flow and I can keep it...looping until I get it, besides playing for fun trying to make work in real time the already assimilated hints... This I did only with the hope to digest earlier and more orderly and completely the functionality of this amazing loop processor and it seem to become more clear fast. The original manuals seems very good considering the amount of material they have to deal with. When is ready I can share it with whoever need it and think he cannot do it by himself. Feedback 100%, please, Best Regards, Luca BTW: Changing the length of the loop using Record as alternate ending of Multiply with quantize off works as described but, as I was trying to do it with quantize on in the beginning I noticed that sometimes ending multiply with a longer press of record (Quantize=on) also redefine the loop length seemingly at the release of the record. Is it possible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 05:09:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1A8Q121452; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:08:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:08:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <63915.24.3.50.52.1099303662.squirrel@24.3.50.52> In-Reply-To: <20041101073352.SHNH19922.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20041101073352.SHNH19922.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:07:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: John McLaughlin DVD From: antone@mrsmalls.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Is his dvd going to show me anything that I can't already find in > my > other videos/dvds/books? > Maybe, but maybe not. I'd just like to know what I'm getting first before > spending that much cash. > > ---->You would probably be able to sell it on eBay if it wasn't what you > wanted. > I also want to point out that looping (hey! We're back on topic!) affords > the guitar player an environment conducive to study exclusive of other > materials. Let's pretend that the music is "in you"--looping allows you > to > investigate that as an observer, and also enables you to create > Aebersol-like backup noise. > BTW, I think $25/hr is a good rate for lessons (I am just pulling that out > of nowhere); at that rate the $175 for this > http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=17686 > qualifies as a bargain. Not that I'm buying it--but John IS the man > (along > with some others still living). Wonder what Andre LaFosse (or Mike > Keneally!) charges for lessons? > Gary (still longing to understand harmonic substitution) > > > > It does not matter who wrote what, it matters what you write. And what you hear and what you feel. What's next? John Mc Who? Andre Who? We are all these people. Push the boundries. I'm not dis crediting these names but I'm challenging us to discover the new ways and the new sounds and voices. Learn and apply and then create. It doesn't matter how much $ you spend on trying to be like some one else. Try to be your self. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 05:09:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1A7aa20552; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:07:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:07:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041101100625.74374.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Peoples perception of Looping (was Looping History ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031113923.050f7190@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What term was being used or advertise Schaeffer music and other loopers live shows back then? Is quite interesting how some people are still perceiving Live looping shows.After my CD release party i had people come saying "wow i finally realize what you mean in your website,you are basically composing live,and improvising like you would in jazz,yeah?" then others still think the stuff is somehow prerecorded or sequenced and i am just playing along like karaoke;-)but what keeps me wondering is peoples perception about this form of improvisation as "composing live".I think unlike jazz this form of improv becomes composing to audiences when you lay a groove,then a riff,then a bass line etc.perhaps i should tell them i am live loop composing;-) Just a thought... > I would call that an early form of sampling, not > really looping. Looping is > more of an interactive performance technique, where > the sound is being > recorded to the loop and played back at the same > time, and the performer is > interacting with it all. That doesn't seem to be > what Schaeffer and others > like him were doing at all. > > The work Schaeffer and others doing Musique Concrete > did was mainly > compositional. It seems like a direct ancestor to > many forms of music today > that are composed by combining together many > different samples, like > various forms of electronic dance music and hip hop. > That is certainly an > interesting historical lineage to follow. But it > isn't exactly the same > thing as what people call Looping. > > Looping is clearly very related to these ideas, and > there is crossover > between the concepts all the time. But for the most > part Looping is a > distinctly different concept that has gone along in > parallel with sampling > composition techniques for decades. If you want to > do an honest historical > study, you need to understand the difference and > follow the different lines > through time. There is a reason why Loopers and > Samplers and Audio > Sequencers have totally different features in them > and one does not replace > the others. > > > >So he would have had access to cutting edge > technology so to speak. His > >engineer/assistant ,Pierre Henry was a student of > Messian. Apparently > >Shaeffer's work lead directly to the > Mellotron,arguably the first > >commercial looping device > > > It is clearly not a looping device, as it lacks the > basic features that > make something a looper. No way to record the tape > as it plays back! The > Mellotron is an early form of a sample playback > synth. > > > >In some circles Les Paul has long been given credit > for inventing > >multitracking,I don't know how accurate this is > ,but he does seem to have > >introduced it into popular music. > > Also, as we discussed in the past, Les Paul never > really did looping > either. His "Les Paulverizer" was really a bit of a > showman's gimmick. He > triggered pre-recorded samples of himself (on tape), > but did it in such a > way as to fool the audience into thinking what they > heard play back was > what he had just played. Similar to the overdubs he > then made, it was all > pre-recorded, but performed to look like it was done > in real time. So he > was pretending to be looping, but not really doing > it. Perhaps he would > have done it for real if he had the technology to do > it, and you could > argue that from the audience's perspective it was > real. > > Certainly many people were experimenting with tape > recorders in the 40's > and 50's. (and earlier in Germany). Clearly many of > them independently came > across the idea of setting the tape in a loop and > allowing the record and > play back to be engaged at the same time while they > played into it, thus > "looping". It may not be possible to decide who > "invented" it. As with many > concepts, the times and technology developments set > the right conditions, > and suddenly many people found it at once. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 05:22:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1AL2P24682; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041101101859.35214.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:18:59 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: repeater digital output To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another idea is to put the CFC card in the computer, transfer your 4 basic looping tracks individually to your multitrack software and improvise on top of it on a separate track.More of a production approach than live looping though... Luis --- joao orecchia wrote: > have you tried using the digital out and some > combination of either the > analog stereo out or sends to get all four tracks > individually into the > computer? i mean, i know there are sound cards with > 4 analog ins that could > do this, but im not sure if there are any good ones > which i can afford at > the moment. > > > On 10/31/04 6:31 PM, "Per Boysen" > wrote: > > > On Oct 31, 2004, at 12:21, joao orecchia wrote: > >> > >> i was wondering if i plug the digital out into > the digital in on an > >> external > >> sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i > just get stereo. > > > > On Oct 31, 2004, at 15:40, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > >> I'm not sure, but I suspect that'd just be stereo > >> unless you used some sort of multichannel > interface in > >> between the units. > > > > I'm sure, though, since I've tried exactly that - > and it's only two > > channels, stereo. > > > >> I don't currently own a laptop, so I'm > >> still in the exploratory stages, but what I'm > thinking > >> would be useful would be some sort of multitrack > >> sequencer to play back these short, looped wav > files, > >> with a breakout box that would allow me to send > the > >> various tracks to different channels so that they > >> could be processed individually. > >> > >> Can anyone point me towards a good online > resource for > >> this sort of info? > > > > How about this mailing list? AFAIK we're quite a > lot of laptop users > > here! You might have look at Ableton Live as a > suitable software since > > it is multitrack, has faders and a simple "midi > learn" way of mapping > > external midi faders. Most questions about multi > out/input laptop sound > > cards and break-out boxes has been discussed at > the Live forum and > > with the forum search function you can scan it for > specific > > information. http://www.ableton.com/forum/ > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 05:31:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1ATf826745; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:29:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:29:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.70] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (was Looping History? ) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:27:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2004 10:28:00.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[7688BB80:01C4BFFD] Resent-Message-ID: <1vFtmC.A.CbG.3-ghBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So are Fripp and Eno's early recordings of frippertronics not looping? How about the work of various composers who actually made loops of tape between machines-I've seen one all the way down the hall ,around a banister and back into the studio-when theses were used to make recordings were they not looping?How about if there was someone in the studio as audience? As far as I can tell all looping is sampling,if a sample is played back in continuous repetition,I would call that a loop. I would call that an early form of sampling, not >really looping. Looping is more of an interactive performance technique, >where >the sound is being recorded to the loop and played back at the same >time, and the performer is interacting with it all. That doesn't seem to be >what Schaeffer and others like him were doing at all. > >The work Schaeffer and others doing Musique Concrete >did was mainly compositional. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 05:48:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1Ak5p29880; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:46:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041101101859.35214.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041101101859.35214.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-739577281 Message-Id: From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: repeater digital output Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:44:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-739577281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi jumping in the middle of the discussion You might be able to send two channels via FXsend (analog)(Not bringing it back in through FX return )and two channels via the digital output since most audiocards (even very inexpensive cards )have two analog stereo in and a digital in ( stereo) that you can run at the same time, you might control it that way. If you only want to control volume and pan, pitch, etc. you could to that via midi (repeater manual page 37) + ( midi update page ) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics SWEDEN http://www.brakophonic.com 2004-11-01 kl. 11.18 skrev L. Angulo: > another idea is to put the CFC card in the computer, > transfer your 4 basic looping tracks individually to > your multitrack software and improvise on top of it on > a separate track.More of a production approach than > live looping though... > Luis > > > > > --- joao orecchia wrote: > >> have you tried using the digital out and some >> combination of either the >> analog stereo out or sends to get all four tracks >> individually into the >> computer? i mean, i know there are sound cards with >> 4 analog ins that could >> do this, but im not sure if there are any good ones >> which i can afford at >> the moment. >> >> >> On 10/31/04 6:31 PM, "Per Boysen" >> wrote: >> >>> On Oct 31, 2004, at 12:21, joao orecchia wrote: >>>> >>>> i was wondering if i plug the digital out into >> the digital in on an >>>> external >>>> sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i >> just get stereo. >>> >>> On Oct 31, 2004, at 15:40, Tim Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure, but I suspect that'd just be stereo >>>> unless you used some sort of multichannel >> interface in >>>> between the units. >>> >>> I'm sure, though, since I've tried exactly that - >> and it's only two >>> channels, stereo. >>> >>>> I don't currently own a laptop, so I'm >>>> still in the exploratory stages, but what I'm >> thinking >>>> would be useful would be some sort of multitrack >>>> sequencer to play back these short, looped wav >> files, >>>> with a breakout box that would allow me to send >> the >>>> various tracks to different channels so that they >>>> could be processed individually. >>>> >>>> Can anyone point me towards a good online >> resource for >>>> this sort of info? >>> >>> How about this mailing list? AFAIK we're quite a >> lot of laptop users >>> here! You might have look at Ableton Live as a >> suitable software since >>> it is multitrack, has faders and a simple "midi >> learn" way of mapping >>> external midi faders. Most questions about multi >> out/input laptop sound >>> cards and break-out boxes has been discussed at >> the Live forum and >>> with the forum search function you can scan it for >> specific >>> information. http://www.ableton.com/forum/ >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> --- >>> http://www.looproom.com (international) >>> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) >>> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > --Apple-Mail-3-739577281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi jumping in the middle of the discussion You might be able to send two channels via FXsend (analog)(Not bringing it back in through FX return )and two channels via the digital output since most audiocards (even very inexpensive cards )have two analog stereo in and a digital in ( stereo) that you can run at the same time, you might control it that way. If you only want to control volume and pan, pitch, etc. you could to that via midi (repeater manual page 37) + ( midi update page ) Helvetica Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics SWEDEN http://www.brakophonic.com 0000,0000,DDDD 2004-11-01 kl. 11.18 skrev L. Angulo: another idea is to put the CFC card in the computer, transfer your 4 basic looping tracks individually to your multitrack software and improvise on top of it on a separate track.More of a production approach than live looping though... Luis --- joao orecchia < wrote: have you tried using the digital out and some combination of either the analog stereo out or sends to get all four tracks individually into the computer? i mean, i know there are sound cards with 4 analog ins that could do this, but im not sure if there are any good ones which i can afford at the moment. On 10/31/04 6:31 PM, "Per Boysen" < wrote: On Oct 31, 2004, at 12:21, joao orecchia wrote: i was wondering if i plug the digital out into the digital in on an external sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i just get stereo. On Oct 31, 2004, at 15:40, Tim Nelson wrote: I'm not sure, but I suspect that'd just be stereo unless you used some sort of multichannel interface in between the units. I'm sure, though, since I've tried exactly that - and it's only two channels, stereo. I don't currently own a laptop, so I'm still in the exploratory stages, but what I'm thinking would be useful would be some sort of multitrack sequencer to play back these short, looped wav files, with a breakout box that would allow me to send the various tracks to different channels so that they could be processed individually. Can anyone point me towards a good online resource for this sort of info? How about this mailing list? AFAIK we're quite a lot of laptop users here! You might have look at Ableton Live as a suitable software since it is multitrack, has faders and a simple "midi learn" way of mapping external midi faders. Most questions about multi out/input laptop sound cards and break-out boxes has been discussed at the Live forum and with the forum search function you can scan it for specific information. http://www.ableton.com/forum/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --Apple-Mail-3-739577281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 08:37:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1DbGi28246; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:37:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:37:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c4c017$b8c956c0$8b915545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041031121922.053b2130@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 05:35:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <02GKu.A.J1G.CvjhBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well Jeff, if you think John Mclaughlin has a unique perspective, maybe you'll get a look at how that perspective applies itself to the myriad traditional tools (which you already have buttloads of). It depends on your valuation of John M. He's not your average player y'know! All the best, -Miko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD > >How much would you pay for guitar lessons to teach you the same things? > > The going rate, whatever that may be these days. > > > I would expect to pay more today. I guess it is just a question of > >where your priorities are and what you sacrifice to reach your goals. > > Not really. I've played for 23 years or so, and I've put in 10 > hour/day sessions for weeks and months on end (back when I was a kid > and had the time to do so). I've done my share of woodshedding and > "sacrificing" (I use the term very loosely) > > Here's my point. I have tons of instructional material by top pros > already--maybe you do, too. The McLaughlin set costs considerably > more than the rest, for whatever reason. Is his dvd going to show me > anything that I can't already find in my other videos/dvds/books? > Maybe, but maybe not. I'd just like to know what I'm getting first > before spending that much cash. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 09:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1EJee03469; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:19:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:19:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:21:04 +0000 Subject: Re: The Echoplex Manual From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031225010.0473d160@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3182163664_113682_MIME_Part" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3182163664_113682_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The EDP is a complex and versatile device. Its software is unusual in that it has been evolved with an "end user" rather than a business mentality. What you have is a device that can have a range of distinct characters depending on your starting point. In order to have a comprehensive and linear explanation you would need a number of different sub-manuals. For instance each "interface mode" has implications on how you would apply round, quantise, sync, legion insert functions etc. Using a pedal for feedback likewise. Thanks Kim, Matthias, Andy, beta testers etc. for keeping this amazing tool evolving and providing such a wealth of information and support to help us all use such an elegant and musical tool. Jeremy www.masse.org.uk From: Kim Flint Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:24:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:25:48 -0500 At 09:07 AM 10/13/2004, Larry Cooperman wrote: >On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >>Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with >>regarding the EDP? Between the manual, the online FAQs and knowledge >>base here, I think there's a ready answer to most questions. > >My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the >thing. The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of an >artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm reading >the manual. Getting back to this whole controversy over the Echoplex manual and my manual writing skills or lack thereof, I never was able to understand exactly what problem you have with the manual. You wrote a lot of nifty words and interesting literary references in order to say "the manual sucks". So far I've found this unhelpful, because there is a complete lack of specifics. Can you give some specific examples of how or where it sucks? Exactly what was wrong with it? And if I were to improve it, what exactly would I do? I wonder, is your problem with the manual one of expectations? Do you think a manual for a looper is going to teach you how to play the instrument and be a looper? It won't do that. Mostly, it will only explain the details of how the features operate. Or, compare to another context: Did you learn to play guitar in one afternoon by reading the manual that came with your guitar? Or did that manual only explain how to adjust the bridge and change the strings, and you learned to play from teachers and years of practice? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --MS_Mac_OE_3182163664_113682_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: The Echoplex Manual The EDP is a complex and versatile device. Its software is unusual in that = it has been evolved with an "end user" rather than a business ment= ality.

What you have is a device that can have a range of distinct characters depe= nding on your starting point. In order to have a comprehensive and linear ex= planation you would need a number of different sub-manuals.

For instance each "interface mode" has implications on how you wo= uld apply round, quantise, sync, legion insert functions etc. Using a pedal = for feedback likewise.

Thanks Kim, Matthias, Andy, beta testers etc. for keeping this amazing tool= evolving and providing such a wealth of information and support to help us = all use such an elegant and musical tool.

Jeremy
www.masse.org.uk


From: Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:24:33 -0800
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is = an Idiot
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:25:48 -0500


At 09:07 AM 10/13/2004, Larry Cooperman wrote:
>On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>
>>Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with =
>>regarding the EDP?  Between the manual, the online FAQs and kn= owledge
>>base here, I think there's a ready answer to most questions.
>
>My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the
>thing.  The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of= an
>artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm reading=
>the manual.

Getting back to this whole controversy over the Echoplex manual and my
manual writing skills or lack thereof, I never was able to understand
exactly what problem you have with the manual. You wrote a lot of nifty words and interesting literary references in order to say "the manual =
sucks". So far I've found this unhelpful, because there is a complete = lack
of specifics.

Can you give some specific examples of how or where it sucks? Exactly what =
was wrong with it?

And if I were to improve it, what exactly would I do?

I wonder, is your problem with the manual one of expectations? Do you think=
a manual for a looper is going to teach you how to play the instrument and =
be a looper? It won't do that. Mostly, it will only explain the details of =
how the features operate.

Or, compare to another context: Did you learn to play guitar in one
afternoon by reading the manual that came with your guitar? Or did that manual only explain how to adjust the bridge and change the strings, and you learned to play from teachers and years of practice?

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint            = ;         | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.c= om



--MS_Mac_OE_3182163664_113682_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 09:53:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1EpRY10184; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:51:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:51:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041101144214.028222a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:49:01 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex m In-Reply-To: <200411011421.iA1ELEH03808@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411011421.iA1ELEH03808@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >BTW: Changing the length of the loop using Record as alternate ending of >Multiply with quantize off works as described but, as I was trying to do >it with quantize on in the beginning I noticed that sometimes ending >multiply with a longer press of record (Quantize=on) also redefine the >loop length seemingly at the release of the record. Is it possible? Yes, that's exactly what happens. Well spotted, I didn't know :-) ..and in Quantise, you can hit whatever function a second time during the 000 phase, and get the UnQuantised behaviour andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 10:06:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1F4HD13554; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:04:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:04:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s......Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:05:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Calling the writer of the manual an idiot is a little rude IMO. As a matter of fact I must state that the EDP manaul isnīt an example of clarity and immediate understandability (if thatīs a word) becuase the ongoing differentiation between terms like loop, beat etc. puzzles me but this may be due to my own personal approach to things which is a more intuitive one (I donīt bother to think too much while I want to be creative, and structures do have the drawback of being mostly totally different from how Iīd organize them). Also, I miss simple troubleshooting hints (that would for instance help me resolving the syncing problems I currently have) as this would make a lot of things easier. Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, youīre a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [īramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Bonvini" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s......Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot > Hello from a beginner EDP to the other beginners, > > To learn faster the EDP I went around the two manuals (Echoplex and Loop > IV....I'm not sure an unified one exist yet). Tired of the process of > updating myself from one manual to the other I copied them section by > section to a file on a word processor. I have ordered the entries by > button (Record, Overdub etc...and not in alphabetical order) and > inserted the LoopIV upgrades paragraphs related at the end of every > single button of the echoplex part. I did this first part only > considering Moreloop=1 and then I'll have to go through the second part > that begins when moreloops is different than 1 (and I'm aware that this > will be something...). I'm still editing: reading in this sequence > seems evident that few parts of echoplex manual seems no more actually > valid and may be erased from my text. Sometimes a specification > (Quantize=on or Quantize=off and may be more) need to be added as a > reminder because at some points in the Echoplex manual this is specified > only in the Figures and not in the text. I can go through my own manual > methodically starting with the different parameters of every button and > the different alternate ending, trying practically all the steps and > alternate steps....etc...it seems to flow and I can keep it...looping > until I get it, besides playing for fun trying to make work in real time > the already assimilated hints... > > This I did only with the hope to digest earlier and more orderly and > completely the functionality of this amazing loop processor and it seem > to become more clear fast. The original manuals seems very good > considering the amount of material they have to deal with. > > When is ready I can share it with whoever need it and think he cannot do > it by himself. > > Feedback 100%, please, > > Best Regards, Luca > > BTW: Changing the length of the loop using Record as alternate ending of > Multiply with quantize off works as described but, as I was trying to do > it with quantize on in the beginning I noticed that sometimes ending > multiply with a longer press of record (Quantize=on) also redefine the > loop length seemingly at the release of the record. Is it possible? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 10:28:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1FRtt19323; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> References: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FFFBABA-2C1A-11D9-8BE2-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s......Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:24:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA1FQJa18817 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 1, 2004, at 4:05 AM, wavecomputer360 wrote: > Calling the writer of the manual an idiot is a little rude IMO. As a > matter > of fact I must state that the EDP manaul isnīt an example of clarity > and > immediate understandability (if thatīs a word) becuase the ongoing > differentiation between terms like loop, beat etc. puzzles me but this > may > be due to my own personal approach to things which is a more intuitive > one > (I donīt bother to think too much while I want to be creative, and > structures do have the drawback of being mostly totally different from > how > Iīd organize them). Also, I miss simple troubleshooting hints (that > would > for instance help me resolving the syncing problems I currently have) > as > this would make a lot of things easier. > > Stephen Yep, Just as I thought. I think the writer of the manual, in classic and self depreciating style used the term "idiot," I didn't. I have nothing but respect for both manual writers. Period. I was asked some questions by Kim and frankly I haven't even used the unit, since the Loop Fest, until last night to make horrifying Halloween noises for my 10 year old son and his friends for scare factor. I have to learn the thing to truly make suggestions on how to improve the manual. Looping is something I did, in ambient manner, years ago when the Jamman came out. Becoming a looper is like becoming a TV watcher, you just get the hand control and do it. If there are some esoteric functions of the hand control and you want to use them quickly then hopefully the manual is clear. In the case of the EDP manual it isn't clear. I ordered the unit and it came a matter of 5 days before the Loop fest. I read and read and got some simple functions down only to bomb it anyway. Not the manual's fault but my overall brazen idiocy to think that I could go from my classical guitar to a bunch of gear and a performance. Silly me. So in Kim's admirable and self depreciating style I say me have no brain. If I wasn't busy with other music I'd be all over the EDP because it is the end-all of looping devices and I want to explore the uses of such technology. Right now all the looping I'm doing is looking a few emails about it and going over the fact that I call no one an idiot except myself. Now stop the idiot stuff. Ain't no idiots here and I saw no idiots at the Loop Fest at The Church of the Mean Guy. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 10:29:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1FSrL19608; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:28:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:28:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> References: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <44A4C41E-2C1A-11D9-8BE2-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s......Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:25:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, To be clear that wasn't my email header that was Kim's. It is just floating around like a bad loop now. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 10:51:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1FnKX24417; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:49:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Bieniosek Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things In-reply-to: <20041029195755.GB10660@redhat.com> X-X-Sender: tab27@dunx1.irt.drexel.edu To: Adrian Likins Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Timothy Mungenast Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> <20041029195755.GB10660@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Now, what's a source for the lo-fi/atari noises? I've gotten similar > > effects from mistracking octavers, but not reliably... > > Mostly the decimator/bit reduction sounds (preset 20 iirc). > Assuming we're talking about what I think your talking about ;-> > Steve is also making some video game noises in there as well, so > it can be hard to tell whats what at times ;-> I meant, what's another source of that sound, besides the space station? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 11:39:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1GbOX02906; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:37:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9726023.1099326916574.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:35:16 -0600 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s......Re: The Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot in-reply-to: <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit references: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> <007601c4c022$dbfc90c0$f09ffe91@synthhost> X-Originating-IP: 171.161.160.10/instID=160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds interesting. Personally, I have found using the EDP, on a practical level, very difficult, because I don't fully understand a lot of the definitions used in the manual. It's not that the manual is bad, its just my inability to get my head around what's being discussed. I wish I could understand it in such a way so that if I hear something in my head that I could accomplish with the EDP, I know how to define it so I can actually create it. What I would find helpful, if at all possible, is someone creating a step by step how to, with audio examples, for some of the fundamental workings of the EDP. This start with just a basic function and then gradually build on. I feel a tutorial like this would at least provide me a foundation that I can build on using the manual and my own experimentation. Steve >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luca Bonvini" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:03 AM >Subject: EDP Manual Organization was: The echoplex manual s......Re: The >Echoplex Manual Sucks and the Guy That Wrote It Is an Idiot > > >> Hello from a beginner EDP to the other beginners, >> >> To learn faster the EDP I went around the two manuals (Echoplex and Loop >> IV....I'm not sure an unified one exist yet). Tired of the process of >> updating myself from one manual to the other I copied them section by >> section to a file on a word processor. I have ordered the entries by >> button (Record, Overdub etc...and not in alphabetical order) and >> inserted the LoopIV upgrades paragraphs related at the end of every >> single button of the echoplex part. I did this first part only >> considering Moreloop=1 and then I'll have to go through the second part >> that begins when moreloops is different than 1 (and I'm aware that this >> will be something...). I'm still editing: reading in this sequence >> seems evident that few parts of echoplex manual seems no more actually >> valid and may be erased from my text. Sometimes a specification >> (Quantize=on or Quantize=off and may be more) need to be added as a >> reminder because at some points in the Echoplex manual this is specified >> only in the Figures and not in the text. I can go through my own manual >> methodically starting with the different parameters of every button and >> the different alternate ending, trying practically all the steps and >> alternate steps....etc...it seems to flow and I can keep it...looping >> until I get it, besides playing for fun trying to make work in real time >> the already assimilated hints... >> >> This I did only with the hope to digest earlier and more orderly and >> completely the functionality of this amazing loop processor and it seem >> to become more clear fast. The original manuals seems very good >> considering the amount of material they have to deal with. >> >> When is ready I can share it with whoever need it and think he cannot do >> it by himself. >> >> Feedback 100%, please, >> >> Best Regards, Luca >> >> BTW: Changing the length of the loop using Record as alternate ending of >> Multiply with quantize off works as described but, as I was trying to do >> it with quantize on in the beginning I noticed that sometimes ending >> multiply with a longer press of record (Quantize=on) also redefine the >> loop length seemingly at the release of the record. Is it possible? >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 14:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1J9AO08934; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:08:00 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: <8iH6o.A.QEC.hlohBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the EDP manual is pretty good, though clearly more of a reference manual than a user's manual. A good user's manual teaches you how to do something. A reference manual reminds you of the details of something you are already familiar with. Arguably, the reference manual is more important since the system must at least be comprehensively specified. For systems as complex as the EDP, it is very, VERY hard to write a good user's manual. From my own experience with the manual, I can offer a few suggestions, though this is a rather academic exercise since I doubt Gibson is going to pay for another revision. First, I found the transition from the User's Guide to Parameters disorienting. I think Functions should have been first. I was expecting more depth on the User's Guide material but got lost in parameter details without having a good mental model for how those might actually be used. Functions should be presented in order of "popularity" rather than alphabetically. Sure everyone has a different way of approaching the EDP, but I'll bet the top 10 functions of interest will be pretty much the same for 99% of new users. Put brain contorting features like InterfaceMode and Loop Windowing last. There is enough to digest without having those bombs dropped on you in the middle. Possibly an "Advanced" section to contain those things that you won't understand until you already have a good grasp of basic functions. I found myself bouncing between the Parameters and Functions sections often in order to understand something. Some things were mostly specified in Parameters, others in Functions, others a mixture. I'd prefer that the bulk of the text be oriented around functions, with each function fully specifying how it interacts with parameters. This may result in some amount of duplicated parameter docs. The Parameters section then reduces to more of a pure alphabetical reference, with a brief summary of what it does and references back to the Functions that are affected by it. The problem with this approach is that some parameters like Quantize affect lots of functions and you don't want to duplicate it everywhere. For this and a few other things I would add a "Concepts" section that precedes Functions. Here you introduce what functions, parameters, and presets are. Then a few broadly applicable concepts like like Feedback, Quantize, MoreLoops, maybe SwitchQuant, and some things in the Functions section that aren't really functions like SUS Commands and LoopDivide. I might move interesting but not very practical information like "Undo/Under The Hood" to an Appendix. The "Parameter Presets" and "User Interface" felt sort of buried, I would probably place them higher, certainly above Synchronization and MIDI Control, and maybe after Concepts. The downside of course is that the text would contain terms that aren't fully defined until the Parameters and Functions sections. Now, I don't want to sound too critical. These are debatable editorial choices that should not detract from the fact that the manual is extremely comprehensive and accurate. I have great respect for the authors, writing for complex systems is a very hard job. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 15:57:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1KuKV01067; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:56:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:56:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:52:30 -0800 Subject: boy these guys stole a great name for a band From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_AwZEC.A.Z6H.FKqhBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.projectbandaloop.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 16:47:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1LjN308339; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041101214413.98226.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping a dead horse (was Looping History? ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- samba * wrote: > So are Fripp and Eno's early recordings of > frippertronics not looping? They absolutely *are* looping, but what is it about Kim's definition that makes you assume he doesn't think so? Fripp playing in real time into two revoxes operated by Eno which are playing back what Fripp just played as he layers more onto it sure sounds to me like another way of saying "interactive performance technique". And contrary to popular misconception, the system used by Fripp and Eno did not use closed tape loops; the reel spooled off the first deck onto the second. Does this mean it's not looping? Of course not; it meets several criteria, most importantly that the signal is subjected to a feedback loop. > How about the work of various composers who actually > made loops of tape > between machines-I've seen one all the way down the > hall ,around a banister > and back into the studio-when theses were used to > make recordings were they not looping? There's a bit of equivocation going on here. Some people call any use of "loops" looping, and in a sense it is. For example, firing up Acid and painstakingly building a musical piece out of commercially purchased samples from the 'Loops for Acid' series IS an example of loop-based music. But it doesn't necessarily conform to the definition that is generally used on this list, because of the lack of the interactive, real-time component. Playing an 8-track cartridge of Ted Nugent's 'Weekend Warriors' IS an example of using a physical tape loop, since the tape is joined at both ends and goes around and around until the listener gets sick of it and presses 'eject', but I don't think anyone would call it 'looping'. The Beatles' "Revolution #9" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" both featured prominent use of tape loops, but in both cases, they were manipulating previously recorded material, NOT live looping. Your example regarding long loops between tape machines may or may not be looping, by the definition we've been using. It depends on if there's signal being input in real time, accumulating on the tape versus mere playback of work that had been done earlier. CONTINUED ADDITIONAL input, that is, in an interaction with the repetition of what had just been recorded before. >How about if there was someone in the > studio as audience? I think you're missing the point. Kim's definition is in no way related to the tree falling in the forest. It MAY be related to the sound of one hand clapping, however, since many musicians do indeed loop in solitude, but the philosophical implications exceed the scope of the comfort level of a mixed, family audience. > As far as I can tell all looping is sampling,if a > sample is played back in > continuous repetition,I would call that a loop. Like Kim pointed out, there is a lot of overlap. Yes, looping requires some sort of recording of a sound, whether that be digital or analog, with RAM or tape or wax cylinders. And, yes, continuous repetition of what has been recorded is by some definitions a loop, but it's not necessarily looping. To come back to your Mellotron reference (grooaannn), let's add a Hammond B3 to the analogy. 1) Playback of sampled sound Mellotron: yes (recordings of actual instruments) B3: no Looping: yes (recording of live musical input) 2) Continuous generation of sound Mellotron: no (8 second note limit with attack/decay) B3: yes (as long as key is depressed) Looping: yes I think you see where I'm going with this; there are similarities and differences between the three, with substantial overlap. That doesn't make them the same. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 17:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1M9VP11245; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:09:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:09:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> References: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <15B8FDDA-2C3C-11D9-B7EB-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:27:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, There you go folks. I guess I'm kind of jagged and crusty in my exposition of the "problem" with the manual. I don't know this unit yet so how could I possibly be exact in my yakity yak yak yak? Kim made the analogy to not being able to play the guitar by manual and that's right. But it's fruit and meat. learning the guitar, manual or otherwise, is at the same time learning music, culture and what girls like. Happens to involve technology now and manuals that don't, maybe, go about being tutorial like and that are using an organizational principal based on jargon, are somewhat hard for me. You know folks, I ain't gandered at the manual lately. I played with a bass friend dressed as 2nd Amendment Man last night with a rebel flag as a cape. I had a-salt-weapon and a side doll arm strapped in my utility belt and I had bare arms so I had the right to bare them. Purple tights with classy high top lace up boots with a green T-shirt with black letters and the EDP was very fun. Just improvising and grabbing stuff with 2nd Opinion Man and my wife 2nd Guess Woman. I ain't worried about the manual. I'll learn the thing in my own time. Anyway, we'll see what happens on Nov. 3rd. I guess by Nov. 8th we'll have something the right calls The Race Riots and the left will call the Disenfranchising Riots. We're damed if we can't have an honest election. Shit gonna hit various fans and splatter those who ain't even hip to any facts about this presidency if we can't have an election. I just want a world that I can talk about silly technological things that are in jargon. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 17:36:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1MXdc14493; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <25995068.1099348320269.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a significant project. Do you have a few specific things you know you'd like to do but can't quite figure out? Getting a step-by-step to a few things is more likely and will probably spark a bunch of "ah hah!" moments for you. TravisH >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:35:16 -0600 >From: Steve Ginn >Personally, I have found using the EDP, on a practical level, very difficult, because I don't fully understand a lot of the >definitions used in the manual. It's not that the manual is bad, its just my inability to get my head around what's being >discussed. I wish I could understand it in such a way so that if I hear something in my head that I could accomplish with the >EDP, I know how to define it so I can actually create it. What I would find helpful, if at all possible, is someone creating a step >by step how to, with audio examples, for some of the fundamental workings of the EDP. This start with just a basic function >and then gradually build on. I feel a tutorial like this would at least provide me a foundation that I can build on using the >manual and my own experimentation. >Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 18:48:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA1Nj9l23725; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601c4c017$b8c956c0$8b915545@Biffoz> References: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041031121922.053b2130@loopers-delight.com> <002601c4c017$b8c956c0$8b915545@Biffoz> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:42:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well Jeff, if you think John Mclaughlin has a unique perspective, maybe >you'll get a look at how that perspective applies itself to the myriad >traditional tools (which you already have buttloads of). Good point...I guess I'm just undecided at this point. If someone else takes the plunge first, please report back. It'd help someone like me who's sitting on the fence decide whether or not to buy it. >It depends on your >valuation of John M. He's not your average player y'know! Well, he picks pretty fast. ;) I always enjoy watching someone who is technically proficient play the instrument. I pick things up quickly that way. On the other hand, I have lots of shredder material sitting on the shelf already. We'll see...I sure hope it's worth the bucks. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 20:07:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA215jA02190; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411020103.iA213ea01699@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP Howto Loop Guide Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:04:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <25995068.1099348320269.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcTAYtz7flBiK9sFRKOhvlpKWp/BmAAFJMvw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you looking for a guide Andre's Echoplex Anaysis Page is a fabulous resource for just getting started with the EDP http://www.altruistmusic.com/edp.html Heck of a generous and informative guy too bad he got ticked off and left the list. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization That's a significant project. Do you have a few specific things you know you'd like to do but can't quite figure out? Getting a step-by-step to a few things is more likely and will probably spark a bunch of "ah hah!" moments for you. TravisH >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:35:16 -0600 >From: Steve Ginn >Personally, I have found using the EDP, on a practical level, very difficult, because I don't fully understand a lot of the >definitions used in the manual. It's not that the manual is bad, its just my inability to get my head around what's being >discussed. I wish I could understand it in such a way so that if I hear something in my head that I could accomplish with the >EDP, I know how to define it so I can actually create it. What I would find helpful, if at all possible, is someone creating a step >by step how to, with audio examples, for some of the fundamental workings of the EDP. This start with just a basic function >and then gradually build on. I feel a tutorial like this would at least provide me a foundation that I can build on using the >manual and my own experimentation. >Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 22:41:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA23cuP19940; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:38:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.207.96] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping horse Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:35:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2004 03:36:15.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B2A8670:01C4C08D] Resent-Message-ID: <__kH0B.A.VzE.6CwhBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can work with this defintion for practical purposes.Any sort of definition,model ,paradigm etc.is only useful for organizing data it's quite reasonable in that sense.But I find it too narrow for examining the unfoldment of cultural patterns over time and as ideas travel mind to mind. Once the human stops inputting new signal is it no longer a loop? An experiment that yeilds interesting enough results leads to further explorations that involve refienments,and variations-bifurcations.A series these branchings,adding complexity exponentially will lead to several temporary end points that resemble each other little,but have a common source. Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in talking about gear than abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and reframings.
_________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŪ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 22:52:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA23ogg21535; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.1f9ea90b.2eb85de0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:49:52 EST Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c5.1f9ea90b.2eb85de0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c5.1f9ea90b.2eb85de0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/04 1:55:10 AM, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > Is his dvd going to show me > anything that I can't already find in my other videos/dvds/books? > how much does dear john need to keep food on the table and a roof over his head?.....john has always been a major player in my little universe but that seems to be a big tarriff to lay the mojo on me.....ohmmmmmm......michael (who after playing guitar for 3427 years can only jam over an a- chord).....:).....and i ain't no damn communist either!.....so there! p.s. great posts the last few daze! .....TANKS PPSS.....VOTE!!!!! (for a looper of course) --part1_1c5.1f9ea90b.2eb85de0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/1/04 1:55:10 AM, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:<= BR>

Is his dvd going to show me
anything that I can't already find in my other videos/dvds/books?


how much does dear john need to keep food on the table and a roof over his h= ead?.....john has always been a major player in my little universe but that=20= seems to be a big tarriff to lay the mojo on me.....ohmmmmmm......michael (w= ho after playing guitar for 3427 years can only  jam over an a- chord)= .....:).....and i ain't no damn communist either!.....so there!
p.s. great posts the last few daze! .....TANKS
PPSS.....VOTE!!!!! (for a looper of course) --part1_1c5.1f9ea90b.2eb85de0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 1 23:32:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA24Vmb26974; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41870D9C.3020006@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:31:24 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping horse References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi samba, chris cohn or ashe, the history you are attempting to rewrite has been rewritten so many times on this list I think most us have definition fatigue. As much as exposing looping to a Deleuzian reinterpretation might be fun, I think most of the issues you bring up were put to bed a while ago. There is a very informative and well informed Looping history article to be found on the Looper's Delight website. You may have read it, and perhaps you disagree with it. Given that the consensus was that this article is quite comprehensive and accurate, it serves most of us to regard it not as an experiment or a theory, but as given and communally agreed fact. The live-looping -vs- sampling-looping discussion you wish to reinvigorate has also been brought to surface in the past, resulting in a web of tensions and volatile "variations-bifurcations" that threatened the fragile social ecosystem of this list. As a result, intellectually speaking, a certain sedimentation and crystallisation of definitions has occured, if only to keep the peace. In an ideal world us humans would not get in the way of a good idea, I agree. But we are, after all, only human.. Best Regards Michael Noble samba * wrote: > I can work with this defintion for practical purposes.Any sort of > definition,model ,paradigm etc.is only useful for organizing data > it's quite reasonable in that sense.But I find it too narrow for > examining the unfoldment of cultural patterns over time and as ideas > travel mind to mind. > Once the human stops inputting new signal is it no longer a loop? > An experiment that yeilds interesting enough results leads to > further explorations that involve refienments,and > variations-bifurcations.A series these branchings,adding complexity > exponentially will lead to several temporary end points that resemble > each other little,but have a common source. > Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in talking about gear > than abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and reframings. > > >
> > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfeeŪ Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 00:10:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA259Ke32405; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:09:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:09:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Looping horse Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:07:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c4c099$d72f0a10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <41870D9C.3020006@iinet.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and we like to talk about gear...of course. >>the history you are attempting to rewrite has been rewritten so many times on this list I think most us have definition fatigue. As much as exposing looping to a Deleuzian reinterpretation might be fun, I think most of the issues you bring up were put to bed a while ago. There is a very informative and well informed Looping history article to be found on the Looper's Delight website. You may have read it, and perhaps you disagree with it. Given that the consensus was that this article is quite comprehensive and accurate, it serves most of us to regard it not as an experiment or a theory, but as given and communally agreed fact. The live-looping -vs- sampling-looping discussion you wish to reinvigorate has also been brought to surface in the past, resulting in a web of tensions and volatile "variations-bifurcations" that threatened the fragile social ecosystem of this list. As a result, intellectually speaking, a certain sedimentation and crystallisation of definitions has occured, if only to keep the peace. In an ideal world us humans would not get in the way of a good idea, I agree. But we are, after all, only human.. Best Regards Michael Noble samba * wrote: > I can work with this defintion for practical purposes.Any sort of > definition,model ,paradigm etc.is only useful for organizing data > it's quite reasonable in that sense.But I find it too narrow for > examining the unfoldment of cultural patterns over time and as ideas > travel mind to mind. > Once the human stops inputting new signal is it no longer a loop? > An experiment that yeilds interesting enough results leads to > further explorations that involve refienments,and > variations-bifurcations.A series these branchings,adding complexity > exponentially will lead to several temporary end points that resemble > each other little,but have a common source. > Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in talking about gear > than abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and reframings. > > >
> > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfeeR Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > __________ NOD32 1.914 (20041101) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 03:12:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA28BxB25441; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:11:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.254.195] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping horse Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:10:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2004 08:11:00.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D483660:01C4C0B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My gear comment wasn't meant as sarcastic,more like dawning recognition that I wasn't really in the groove. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 05:20:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2AJgO07980; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041102101803.853.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping horse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A visit to the LD mailing list archives will yield poly-multi-lotsa-numerous threads about just those things, as well as quite a few where we have wrangled about defining what looping is. History repeats itself. -t- --- samba * wrote: > Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in > talking about gear than > abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and > reframings. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 10:50:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2Fn2n17328; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:49:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <82.1a20fe62.2eb90633@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:48:03 EST Subject: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.1a20fe62.2eb90633_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_82.1a20fe62.2eb90633_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, This is unabashedly off-topic -- and for US residents only. I would be dishonest to say I didn't care at all who you vote=20 for. But I won't go into that. Just get out there and VOTE!!! If you have ever complained about way things are, now's your chance to have your say . . . one way or the other. Vote!!! Today's decision is one that is being watched the world over. As long as we have the gift of democratic participatory government lets not squander it. Count yourself lucky=20 and use it! Every single vote makes a difference. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_82.1a20fe62.2eb90633_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

This is unabashedly off-topic -- and for US residents only.
I would be dishonest to say I didn't care at all who you vote
for. But I won't go into that. Just get out there and VOTE!!!
If you have ever complained about way things are, now's your
chance to have your say . . . one way or the other. Vote!!!
Today's decision is one that is being watched the world over.
As long as we have the gift of democratic participatory
government lets not squander it. Count yourself lucky
and use it! Every single vote makes a difference.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_82.1a20fe62.2eb90633_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:12:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GAaj20402; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:09:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mellotron - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1112710731==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1112710731==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:35 AM -0700 10/30/04, samba * wrote: >Alot of people assert that everyone who that got their hands on a >tape machine in the early 60s looped it,but there is pretty clear >evidence showing that a single person invented it ,and that further >developments spread from the RadioTelevision France where he worked >,and had the first multitrack tape machines. Louis and Bebe Barron were looping with tape in the late 1940s. They came upon the technique independently, though they were in correspondence with Schaeffer later on. Terry Riley and Jon Hassell both "invented" looping for themselves in the late 1950s. The RTF engineer who worked with Terry was responsible for the dual-deck technique that Terry then dubbed the "time-lag accumulator." This was later adopted by Brian Eno (among many others) and re-named "Frippertronics" by Robert Fripp. Any discussion of specialized loop players should also include the work of Hugh LeCaine, who invented several such instruments in the 1950s and 1960s. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1112710731==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Mellotron -
At 12:35 AM -0700 10/30/04, samba * wrote:

Alot of people assert that everyone who that got their hands on a tape machine in the early 60s looped it,but there is pretty clear evidence showing that a single person invented it ,and that further developments spread from the RadioTelevision France where he worked ,and had the first multitrack tape machines.

Louis and Bebe Barron were looping with tape in the late 1940s. They came upon the technique independently, though they were in correspondence with Schaeffer later on.

Terry Riley and Jon Hassell both "invented" looping for themselves in the late 1950s. The RTF engineer who worked with Terry was responsible for the dual-deck technique that Terry then dubbed the "time-lag accumulator." This was later adopted by Brian Eno (among many others) and re-named "Frippertronics" by Robert Fripp.

Any discussion of specialized loop players should also include the work of Hugh LeCaine, who invented several such instruments in the 1950s and 1960s.
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--============_-1112710731==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:14:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GCqg21049; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411021612.iA2GCTa20939@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:13:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4C0CC.EAC44850" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <82.1a20fe62.2eb90633@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTA87ibrNbjYLe+S8O48+3yRGI73gAAwAtg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4C0CC.EAC44850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I already did but, still a worthwhile reminder for those that somehow haven't gotten it _____ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Hi all, This is unabashedly off-topic -- and for US residents only. I would be dishonest to say I didn't care at all who you vote for. But I won't go into that. Just get out there and VOTE!!! If you have ever complained about way things are, now's your chance to have your say . . . one way or the other. Vote!!! Today's decision is one that is being watched the world over. As long as we have the gift of democratic participatory government lets not squander it. Count yourself lucky and use it! Every single vote makes a difference. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4C0CC.EAC44850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 = 10:48=20 AM
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Subject: = OT--VOTE=20 TODAY!!!

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Best = regards,

tEd ®=20 kiLLiAn

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and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4C0CC.EAC44850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:22:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GLME23155; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:18:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mellotron - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:57 PM +0200 10/30/04, Per Boysen wrote: >The other week I was just reading about Reiley's early experimenting >and I noted the reference to "an anonymous engineer" who inspired >Terry for the "Time Lag Accumulator". So that guy may have been >Shaefer! No. According to Terry he was just a staff engineer who was assigned to help him on a theater project. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:23:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GLOE23173; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:21:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c4be5c$3ef181e0$cda0fe91@synthhost> References: <004401c4be5c$3ef181e0$cda0fe91@synthhost> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:16:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mellotron - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA2GJOa22631 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:39 AM +0200 10/30/04, wavecomputer360 wrote: >Out of this fashion of chopping up tapes Donald Buchla devised his >first sequencer which allowed the performer to repeat certain patterns >electronically, both on a sound-generating and sound-controlling level. This is exactly what Don said in a panel discussion last Friday in San Francisco. Although later users commonly used sequencers to create ostinato patterns, the original idea for Don's sequencer was merely to eliminate the necessity of doing tape splicing. >The Mellotron idea originated in the garage of >Harry Chamberlinīs, an American inventor There was a Chamberlin at the San Francisco Tape Music Center in the early 1960s. Ramon Sender replaced the standard tapes with his own sounds, so in a sense he could be credited with the introduction of user sampling (as opposed to playing factory presets). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:28:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GR8T24902; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:27:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:27:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4187B543.6010402@biink.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:26:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mellotron - References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > Terry Riley and Jon Hassell both "invented" looping for themselves in > the late 1950s. The RTF engineer who worked with Terry was responsible > for the dual-deck technique that Terry then dubbed the "time-lag > accumulator." This was later adopted by Brian Eno (among many others) > and re-named "Frippertronics" by Robert Fripp. Jon Hassell? I didn't think he used electronic equipment until the '70s and when he started doing it with Eno, he was using a sampler. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GUAw25841; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:27:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Mellotron - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1112709535==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <-1KBBD.A.pPG.mX7hBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1112709535==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:17 PM +0200 10/30/04, Michael Peters wrote: >it really _was_ an anonymous engineer who came up with the delay system for >2 tape recorders. This is what Pauline Oliveros told me when I asked her a >couple of years ago, and this is what Terry Riley wrote to me when I asked >him. > >Here's what Terry wrote: I talked to Pauline, Ramon, and Terry about this a when preparing my looping history presentation for the Y2K2 Loopfest. As I recall, Pauline said she got the two-machine idea from Ramon, who in turn got it from Terry. However, there was a little fuzziness about dates. Here's what Ramon had to say: If Pauline is referring to feeding one tape through two Wollensaks, the first on record and the second on playback, this set-up was first demonstrated to me by Terry Riley who I think said that he and Lamont Young used it during a dance performance of Anna Halperin's troupe during the period they were the composers involved with her. I then used it for a 'piano canon' performance during a Sonics Concert, if I recall correctly. We're talking the fall-spring of 1961-62? Terry dates the technique to 1963, Ramon to some years earlier. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1112709535==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Mellotron -
At 6:17 PM +0200 10/30/04, Michael Peters wrote:

it really _was_ an anonymous engineer who came up with the delay system for
2 tape recorders. This is what Pauline Oliveros told me when I asked her a
couple of years ago, and this is what Terry Riley wrote to me when I asked
him.
Here's what Terry wrote:

I talked to Pauline, Ramon, and Terry about this a when preparing my looping history presentation for the Y2K2 Loopfest. As I recall, Pauline said she got the two-machine idea from Ramon, who in turn got it from Terry. However, there was a little fuzziness about dates. Here's what Ramon had to say:

If Pauline is referring to feeding one tape through two Wollensaks,
the first on record and the second on playback, this set-up was first
demonstrated to me by Terry Riley who I think said that he and
Lamont Young used it during a dance performance of Anna Halperin's
troupe during the period they were the composers involved with her.
I then used it for a 'piano canon' performance during a Sonics Concert,
if I recall correctly. We're talking the fall-spring of 1961-62?
 
Terry dates the technique to 1963, Ramon to some years earlier.
--

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--============_-1112709535==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:37:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GaHD27465; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:36:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:36:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:34:58 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c4c0f9$e80fb630$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4C0BF.3BB0DE30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <82.1a20fe62.2eb90633@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4C0BF.3BB0DE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yes, I'll be voting! Thanks for the note, Ted. -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Hi all, This is unabashedly off-topic -- and for US residents only. I would be dishonest to say I didn't care at all who you vote for. But I won't go into that. Just get out there and VOTE!!! If you have ever complained about way things are, now's your chance to have your say . . . one way or the other. Vote!!! Today's decision is one that is being watched the world over. As long as we have the gift of democratic participatory government lets not squander it. Count yourself lucky and use it! Every single vote makes a difference. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4C0BF.3BB0DE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Oh=20 yes, I'll be voting!  Thanks for the note, Ted.
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Tuesday,=20 November 02, 2004 8:48 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT--VOTE=20 TODAY!!!

Hi all,

This is = unabashedly=20 off-topic -- and for US residents only.
I would be dishonest to say = I=20 didn't care at all who you vote
for. But I won't go into that. = Just get=20 out there and VOTE!!!
If you have ever complained about way things = are,=20 now's your
chance to have your say . . . one way or the other.=20 Vote!!!
Today's decision is one that is being watched the world = over.
As=20 long as we have the gift of democratic participatory
government = lets not=20 squander it. Count yourself lucky
and use it! Every single vote = makes a=20 difference.

Best regards,

tEd ®=20 = kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com= /cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.g= arageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.as= px?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<= BR>
Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4C0BF.3BB0DE30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:41:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GevE28706; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4187B543.6010402@biink.com> References: <4187B543.6010402@biink.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:28 -0800 To: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mellotron - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1112708930==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1112708930==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:26 AM -0500 11/2/04, David Beardsley wrote: >Jon Hassell? I didn't think he used electronic equipment >until the '70s and when he started doing it with Eno, he was >using a sampler. Here's what Jon wrote to me: 1960-63 While doing my time in the Army Band in DC (post-MM Eastman, working on PhD musicology at Catholic University), I used to make loops of chopped up bits of sustained chords at end of songs by the Hi-Lo's (hip harmony vocal group) and play them permutating against one another on 2 machines. Wound in tape score for Louis Tupler dance group. 1969-71 After 2-3 years in Cologne with Stockhausen, etc. was at SUNY Buffalo (Creative Fellowship) where I met Terry Riley (see In C recording) and played with him in some late night concerts (unless told otherwise, I do believe that I laid down the first bass line on a Moog in live performance?) and of course saw the 2 Revox delay system that he was using. Did a piece in Carnegie Recital Hall Series called "Goodbye Music" using essentially the same system playing a zither into big floaty chords which were erasing the previous performance. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1112708930==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Mellotron -
At 11:26 AM -0500 11/2/04, David Beardsley wrote:

Jon Hassell? I didn't think he used electronic equipment
until the '70s and when he started doing it with Eno, he was
using a sampler.

Here's what Jon wrote to me:

1960-63
While doing my time in the Army Band in DC (post-MM Eastman, working on PhD musicology at Catholic University), I used to make loops of chopped up bits of sustained chords at end of songs by the Hi-Lo's (hip harmony vocal group) and play them permutating against one another on 2 machines. Wound in tape score for Louis Tupler dance group.

1969-71
After 2-3 years in Cologne with Stockhausen, etc. was at SUNY Buffalo (Creative Fellowship) where I met Terry Riley (see In C recording) and played with him in some late night concerts (unless told otherwise, I do believe that I laid down the first bass line on a Moog in live performance?) and of course saw the 2 Revox delay system that he was using. Did a piece in Carnegie Recital Hall Series called "Goodbye Music" using essentially the same system playing a zither into big floaty chords which were erasing the previous performance.
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1112708930==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:52:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GoPk31088; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4187BA6B.5080907@biink.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:48:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mellotron - References: <4187B543.6010402@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:26 AM -0500 11/2/04, David Beardsley wrote: > >> Jon Hassell? I didn't think he used electronic equipment >> until the '70s and when he started doing it with Eno, he was > >> using a sampler. > > > Here's what Jon wrote to me: > > 1960-63 > > While doing my time in the Army Band in DC (post-MM Eastman, > working on PhD musicology at Catholic University), I used to make > loops of chopped up bits of sustained chords at end of songs by > the Hi-Lo's (hip harmony vocal group) and play them permutating > against one another on 2 machines. Wound in tape score for Louis > Tupler dance group. > > > 1969-71 > > After 2-3 years in Cologne with Stockhausen, etc. was at SUNY > Buffalo (Creative Fellowship) where I met Terry Riley (see In C > recording) and played with him in some late night concerts (unless > told otherwise, I do believe that I laid down the first bass line > on a Moog in live performance?) and of course saw the 2 Revox > delay system that he was using. Did a piece in Carnegie Recital > Hall Series called "Goodbye Music" using essentially the same > system playing a zither into big floaty chords which were erasing > the previous performance. > >-- > Thanks Richard. A lot of his early history is not public knowledge. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 11:59:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2GviR32227; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3A2E78C4-2CF0-11D9-A7EF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:57:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 11/1/04 1:55:10 AM, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >Is his dvd going to show me anything that I can't already find in my other videos/dvds/books? Of course--it'll show you how he, a recognized musical great, personally conceptualizes many musical concepts. I mean, once you get the whole "up the neck is higher, down the neck is lower, skinny strings are higher in pitch than fat strings at an equal length and tension", it's all pretty obvious, right? >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Date: November 1, 2004 7:49:52 PM PST >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD > how much does dear john need to keep food on the table and a roof over his head?..... For John's roof, food and table, the answer is probably "a lot". However, this DVD is probably not going to be the income stream to provide much of that. Instructional videos aren't really a cash cow, and you may have noticed that fusion albums don't sell that well these days. >john has always been a major player in my little universe but that seems to be a big tarriff to lay the mojo on me.. I don't get it--this is a three DVD set, with three and a half hours of material, extensive multi-angle camera work, translated into five languages. A tremendous amount of work went into it (my recollection is 18 months). There's oodles of mediocre instructional videos by lesser musicians which sell for about $40. For one DVD, transferred from VHS with far lower production values. There's *three years* worth of material in this thing and it's under $200? If you're actually going to work through the lessons, I'm sure it's a stupendous bargain. People pay more than that for a single "master class". How much would you pay to have John come over and lay the whole thing out for you in your living room in one 3.5 hour presentation? If you just want to watch the thing a few times to see JM lay out his thing, it's a bit pricey. Otherwise, I'd say it's probably the best value in instructional videos, ever. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 15:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2KMQH04583; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <82.1a20fe62.2eb90633@aol.com> References: <82.1a20fe62.2eb90633@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:17:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Vote wisely, and vote often, vote wisely and vote often vote wisely and vote often-:) -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 16:17:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2LDUe16519; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:13:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041102211232.23326.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, just got home from voting to find this thread. I voted against the same guy I voted against last time; that's repetition, but I wouldn't call it looping. :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 16:27:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA2LNO919886; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4187FA93.000036.02728@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:22:27 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_F1MKD793LVC000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20041102211232.23326.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_F1MKD793LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D Let's hope you closed te loop today!=0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/02/04 13:12:52=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!!=0D =0D Heh, just got home from voting to find this thread. I=0D voted against the same guy I voted against last time;=0D that's repetition, but I wouldn't call it looping. :P=0D =0D -t-=0D =0D =0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Check out the new Yahoo! 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Let's hope you closed te loop today!
 
 
Date: 11/02/04 13:= 12:52
Subject: Re: OT--V= OTE TODAY!!!
 
Heh, just got home from voting to find this thread. I
voted against the same guy I voted against last time;
that's repetition, but I wouldn't call it looping. :P
 
-t-
 
 
 
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--------------Boundary-00=_F1MKD793LVC000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 19:36:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA30ZiD25410; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:35:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:35:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 11/4 & 11/5 3rd Annual Found Objects Festival (San Francisco) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:33:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 00:34:00.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[D045CB50:01C4C13C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3rd Annual San Francisco Found Objects Festival Artists from different approaches of experimental music improvisation (acoustic, electronic, noise, ambient, free-jazz, etc) will perform using sounds from a pool of objects submitted by the audience. Please bring something from home for the artists to smack, rub together, shake, squeak, sample and process. Thursday, Nov 4 2004 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery New Music Series 1007 Market St. (near 6th Street) San Francisco Kristin Miltner Joe Balestreri Chris Cohn Peter Nyboer Friday, Nov 5 2004 8:30 PM 964 Natoma St. (Near Mission & 10th) San Francisco The Noodles Joshua Churchill Garth Powell Justino Andrew Wilhausen Each night $6-10 sliding scale. Related links: Thursday at Luggage Store: http://www.bayimproviser.com/calendar.asp?FromPage=CalendarSummary&summary=false&event_id=3749 Friday at 964 Natoma: http://www.bayimproviser.com/calendar.asp?FromPage=CalendarSummary&summary=false&event_id=3833 Peter Nyboer: www.yowstar.com Joe Balesteri: www.metaman.us Kristin Miltner: http://www.paxrecordings.com/Artists/miba.html Andrew Wilshusen: www.bayimproviser.com/andrewwilshusen Justino: www.anihilo.com Garth Powell: www.bayimproviser/garthpowell Joshua G Churchill: www.joshuachurchill.com The Noodles: http://zoka.com/noodles _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 2 21:21:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA32IvY11676; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:18:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.91.20] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mellotron - Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:17:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 02:18:01.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[57AF22E0:01C4C14B] Resent-Message-ID: <5re5x.A.jxC.i_DiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes very interesting stuff.I knew Hassell had worked w/ Riley in the In C period,but didn;t know about his early tape experiments. Thanks Richard. A lot of his early history is not public knowledge.
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Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 3 06:57:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA3Bv7I14073; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:57:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:57:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c4c19c$162b4550$1603fea9@itomusica> From: "ito" To: Subject: Oberheim EDP or Gibson EDP Plus Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:55:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7fI56C.A.RYD.WdMiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, are there any advantages or disadvantages in buying a new Gibson EDP Plus (with latest Software (Loop IV - I guess?!)) compared to an used Oberheim EDP with Loop IV Software? Has the Oberheim some kind of limitations for future possibilities? Would you recommend the Gibson anyway, because it is from the latest production line? I would appreciate some information because I could buy a s/h Oberheim. Thanks Ingo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 3 07:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA3C9Wq16100; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041103120850.29264.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP or Gibson EDP Plus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c4c19c$162b4550$1603fea9@itomusica> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from my experience they both function equally, unless you sync them together then make sure you get them both the same. cheers Luis --- ito wrote: > Hi there, > > are there any advantages or disadvantages in buying > a new Gibson EDP Plus > (with latest Software (Loop IV - I guess?!)) > compared to an used Oberheim > EDP with Loop IV Software? Has the Oberheim some > kind of limitations for > future possibilities? Would you recommend the Gibson > anyway, because it is > from the latest production line? > I would appreciate some information because I could > buy a s/h Oberheim. > > Thanks > Ingo > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 3 12:21:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA3HKE119536; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:20:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:20:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GLHY/z+HQdMSxHem8TaxSy7zb6Ivfl2bd83b8nu1bQQ0DYu7WXMKEwY9OESB2Yj8IPPE4lIo8idraLWgjQxvvNNkRAujRtffWlBcB+wmxB8NXBuT1P7JiN1lxci3uiv3A5XVXzN/cR58pbBZABApU+e0G1Z4HBo54ZpYYCmIWbQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:19:00 -0800 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP or Gibson EDP Plus In-Reply-To: <20041103120850.29264.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000e01c4c19c$162b4550$1603fea9@itomusica> <20041103120850.29264.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can also get the Gibson beige EDP right before the Plus if you don't want to go as far back as the Oberheim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 3 16:47:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA3LjXr22727; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:45:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c4c1ee$483fbb50$e8ddf7a5@dell8200> From: To: Subject: newbie Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:44:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C4C1AB.38A19B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 4d51ef28de4b736329b888d488e8a071239a348a220c2609cad7c153a7bb673fa05c56c79e162e16387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.221.232 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C4C1AB.38A19B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys - I'm new to Loopers... I'm a guitarist & songwriter, recently = moving into ambient music. I'm just using Cakewalk GT Pro, Jammer, & = the Roland VG gtr processors. I'm interested in any resources you cd = suggest for learning more about using GT & Jammer in loop composing. And = - I'm sure you've heard this before - I can't make much sense of Fruity = Loops Express. The tutorials I've found so far seem haphazard or geared = to the studio version & the "in-depth manual" won't dnload. Can you = point me in the direction & I'll do my homework. Thanks. Nice to be = aboard. Paresh http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/ ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C4C1AB.38A19B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys - I'm new to Loopers... I'm a guitarist = &=20 songwriter, recently moving into ambient music. I'm just using Cakewalk = GT Pro,=20 Jammer,  & the Roland VG gtr processors. I'm interested in any=20 resources you cd suggest for learning more about using GT & Jammer = in loop=20 composing. And - I'm sure you've heard this before -  I can't make = much=20 sense of Fruity Loops Express. The tutorials I've found so far seem = haphazard or=20 geared to the studio version & the "in-depth manual" won't dnload. = Can you=20 point me in the direction & I'll do my homework. Thanks. Nice to be=20 aboard.
Paresh
http://home.earthlink.ne= t/~sunmoonyoga/    =20
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C4C1AB.38A19B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 3 21:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA42MNd24885; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c4c215$08e1e420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Oral Looping History transcribed (was Mellotron) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:21:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C4C1D1.FA8C97A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C4C1D1.FA8C97A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dearest Richard, This information and your access to the principles because of all of = your life's work makes me wonder whether you would consider writing and publishing a = definitive history of Looping as a musical technique. I just can't think of a person more qualified to write such a book and = I, for one would love to buy it as I'm sure many others would as well. Not only that, but it = also seems like it is an=20 important piece of the larger story of electronic music developement in = this and the last century. I think it would make for a fascinating read and it might be really cool = to take it up to the present day, since there is such a plethora of new = hardware and software solutions (and their attendent new techniques) and certainly thousands of practitioners all over the = world, currently. Would you consider such an enormous folly? Thanks for all the research you've just given to us. =20 yours, with respect, Rick ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C4C1D1.FA8C97A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dearest Richard,
 
This information and your access to the = principles because=20 of all of your life's work
makes me wonder whether you would consider = writing and=20 publishing a definitive history
of Looping as a musical technique.
 
I just can't think of a person more qualified to = write=20 such a book and I, for one would love
to buy it as I'm sure many others would as=20 well.   Not only that, but it also seems like it is an =
important piece of the larger story of = electronic music=20 developement in this and the last century.
 
I think it would make for a fascinating read and = it might=20 be really cool to take it up to the present day, since there is such a = plethora=20 of new hardware and software solutions (and their attendent
new techniques) and certainly thousands=20 of practitioners all over the world, currently.
 
Would you consider such an enormous = folly?
 
Thanks for all the research you've just given to = us. =20
 
yours, with respect, = Rick
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C4C1D1.FA8C97A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 3 22:40:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA43aQ500326; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.5.78] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oral Looping History transcribed (was Mellotron) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:35:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 03:36:01.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[67EE1F10:01C4C21F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That seems like a very good idea to me ,and I too would love to get my hands on such a book such a book. Richard,   This information and your access to the principles because of all of your life's work makes me wonder whether you would consider writing and publishing a definitive history of Looping as a musical technique.   I just can't think of a person more qualified to write such a book and I, for one would love to buy it as I'm sure many others would as well.   Not only that, but it also seems like it is an important piece of the larger story of electronic music developement in this and the last century. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 03:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA47x3q14285; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 02:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 02:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Mellotron - Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:01:08 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <7M2GFB.A.5dD.mEeiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just yesterday I picked up a book from the library: Francis Preve: "Power Tools: Software for Loop Music", Backbeat Books; Book & CD edition (August 1, 2004) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879308001 While this book is mostly about prerecorded loops and how to use them to create your own music, it has a very informative intro, which fortunately is part of the online excerpt: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0879308001/ref=sib_rdr_ex/104-6572950-432156 8?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00D#reader-page This intro talks about the time just before the mellotron and claims that the precursor to the mellotron was invented by Richard Chamberlin called the "Model 100 Rhythmate", a home organ accessory that contained 14 drum loops. Unfortunately, since it's not a scientific book, it does not reveal its sources. in more detail: http://www.mellotron.com/history.htm Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 03:12:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA487oj15838; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:07:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103235033.047948e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:07:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Manual Organization In-Reply-To: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> References: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:03 AM 11/1/2004, Luca Bonvini wrote: >Hello from a beginner EDP to the other beginners, > >To learn faster the EDP I went around the two manuals (Echoplex and Loop >IV....I'm not sure an unified one exist yet). Tired of the process of >updating myself from one manual to the other I copied them section by >section to a file on a word processor. Hi Luca! You may be interested to know that the unified version that was written for the EDP Plus is available online: http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf It might save you some trouble there in trying to create your own unified version. For this new manual, I took the original manual that was written by Warren Sirota (with a lot of technical consulting from me at the time), fixed all the errors in it, clarified some of the confusing parts, and added some more examples. Then I added in all the material from the LoopIV upgrade manual that I wrote, and integrated it together where necessary. Then I added a ton of new stuff that was never there in either manual, so all the functions and features now have a section and all the variations are covered. And then finally I reorganized the whole thing to make it easier to use, dividing the reference section up in categories (functions, parameters, midi, sync, etc) instead of having the whole thing alphabetical. I put cross-reference info where ever I could to make it easier to find related functions and parameters. It is a lot better than it ever was before, although it has grown to 310 pages! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 07:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4CGDI03062; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:16:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c4c267$8641dd60$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <4185FBCD.8000600@free.fr> <6.1.2.0.2.20041103235033.047948e8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Looping Inspiration Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:12:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75-1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <2lOvKB.A.yt.Q0hiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody, I've been working on a solo instrumental looping show for coffeehouses, doing a bass / guitar thing. One of the challenges I've had is finding good material to cover. I'm using a Boomerang, so it's hard to find songs that have a structure that fits with the 'Rang, that also works in an instrumental, jazzy setting. I can do some traditional jazz tunes, but a lot of them have 16 bar forms (or longer) and that's a lot of dead space when you're looping a bassline, then chords, THEN getting to the actual melody! I've done some simple tunes people know, since I think that's really important. Stuff like My Girl, Imagine, What You Won't Do For Love, etc. I'm just wondering how you all find songs that fit the looping situation you're doing, or what you look for in a song to see if it's "loop worthy". Thanks! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 08:02:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4D0bl15118; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:00:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:00:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looping Inspiration Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 05:59:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c4c26e$1dd92e20$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c4c267$8641dd60$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jonathan - I started a similar discussion a month or so ago, also mentioning the long 16+ measure heads as a problem when looping standards. It doesn't bother some folks, but I'm afraid I'll never be able to get past it. For example, I refuse to spend 2 minutes setting up the head for Alice in Wonderland, All the Things You Are, or Stella by Starlight, unless I can play them chord solo/joe pass style, in which case, why the heck ruin the song with extra loops. This is just my personal preference. Hence, my simple solution is to not to play them, choose only songs in the Realbooks that I can setup in a short period of time, or just do my own material. You ask how you find songs....I guess I don't completely follow your question. Do you have all 3 of the original and 3 of the new Real Books? There are hundreds and hundreds of jazz tunes, many of which have less than 16 bars or don't take long to setup. The problem is that they are typpically overally simple of beginner jazz tunes, like All Blues, Freddie the Freeloader, yetc. Footprints is a good one, though. But if you are looking for someone who agrees with our observation, than I'm with you! :) I'm not going to let looping technology dictate my musical life...if I want play jazz out more often, I'll just call up my jazzer buddies and setup a duo gig rather than spending hours trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:jonathan@kelloggcreek.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 5:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Inspiration Hi Everybody, I've been working on a solo instrumental looping show for coffeehouses, doing a bass / guitar thing. One of the challenges I've had is finding good material to cover. I'm using a Boomerang, so it's hard to find songs that have a structure that fits with the 'Rang, that also works in an instrumental, jazzy setting. I can do some traditional jazz tunes, but a lot of them have 16 bar forms (or longer) and that's a lot of dead space when you're looping a bassline, then chords, THEN getting to the actual melody! I've done some simple tunes people know, since I think that's really important. Stuff like My Girl, Imagine, What You Won't Do For Love, etc. I'm just wondering how you all find songs that fit the looping situation you're doing, or what you look for in a song to see if it's "loop worthy". Thanks! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 08:28:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4DPj922931; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:25:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Speed up learning EDP Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:27:29 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41D4E742-2815-11D9-9504-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: * Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I set up a simple Wiki as an EDP cookbook, ready to be filled in by anyone who wants to contribute: http://xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi Thank you, Per, for suggesting it. BTW: I wonder who posted this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_loop Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Oktober 2004 14:40 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Speed up learning EDP > > > On Oct 27, 2004, at 14:02, Luca Bonvini wrote: > > > Hello Loopers, > > > > I'm working to learn EDP (IV) features. Besides practicing and going > > back to the manual I thought a table that shows functions and > > parameters and their different interactions may be useful to keep > > track of the miriads of possibilities. Something like functions in the > > orizontal and parameters in the vertical and a reminder of the effect > > at the cross points. Does something like that already exists to your > > knowledge? (of course we will need a table for Live Actions and one > > for Midi Features for example) > > > > thank you, > > > > Luca > > Nice idea, Luca! But would a table be sufficient? Maybe it has to be a > system of hierarchic drop-down menus ;-) because many commands give > different effects depending on the settings of other parameters. Maybe > it would be easier to make a list of "cool tricks" and then have each > trick explained in a way that covers all levels. > > Bernhard did a nice web site with Repeater tricks, something similar > for the EDP would come in handy. If think there used to be a lot of > hands-on tips at Andre LaFosse's home page. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 10:29:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4FKk810113; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:20:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:20:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041104151949.3605.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3A2E78C4-2CF0-11D9-A7EF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > >In a message dated 11/1/04 1:55:10 AM, > jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu > writes: > >Is his dvd going to show me anything that I can't > already find in my > other videos/dvds/books? > > Of course--it'll show you how he, a recognized > musical great, > personally conceptualizes many musical concepts. I > mean, once you get > the whole "up the neck is higher, down the neck is > lower, skinny > strings are higher in pitch than fat strings at an > equal length and > tension", it's all pretty obvious, right? That's my take on McLaughlin's DVD set as well. As a viola/violin/keys kind of guy, I'd be willing to pay similarly if the likes of Joe Zawinul or Jean Luc Ponty came out with a similar type of instructional DVD set, of a similarly high quality. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 11:19:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4GElb22623; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:14:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:14:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:13:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Mellotron - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:01 AM +0100 11/4/04, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >Just yesterday I picked up a book from the library: > >Francis Preve: "Power Tools: Software for Loop Music", Backbeat Books; Book >& CD edition (August 1, 2004) >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879308001 > >While this book is mostly about prerecorded loops and how to use them to >create your own music, it has a very informative intro, which fortunately is >part of the online excerpt: Very good. That he focuses on prerecorded loops is interesting to me, since it naturally deals with questions about quotation and appropriation. I might dispute his focus on Stravinsky as the first significant sampling artists, since this practice was well established during the Baroque and earlier (parody mass, quodlibet, etc.). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 12:20:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4HGme02058; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <15336679.1099588558655.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:15:58 -0600 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Speed up learning EDP in-reply-to: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit references: X-Originating-IP: 171.161.160.10/instID=154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very nice idea! I look forward to reading its evolution. On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 07:25AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > >I set up a simple Wiki as an EDP cookbook, ready to be filled in by anyone >who wants to contribute: >http://xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi > >Thank you, Per, for suggesting it. > >BTW: I wonder who posted this: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_loop > >Bernhard > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 12:57:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4HtQZ10808; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <474076D8-2E88-11D9-BFE3-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Grossman Ben From: Ben Grossman Subject: misbehaving EDP! Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:02 -0500 To: loopers-delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to you all, I recently bought a used Oberheim EDP with loop III and 2x 1meg and 2x 256k simms in it. It worked fine when I got it. I then put in the loop IV chip (thanks, Kim). It worked fine. After much searching I finally found 4 4meg simms to put in. I put them in and it showminutesed the full 198 seconds upon start-up. Now I started having intermittent (then more frequent) episodes of full volume nasty noise on the output whenever I tried to record. An amazing noise, really...I enjoyed putting it through effects and making Autechre-type sounds for a full five minutes or so, but then decided that I wanted a lightly more flexible machine... I assumed that one (or more) of the RAM sticks was suspect so I started to swap the sticks to see if I could find the culprit. Now it seems that the machine will not recognise ANY of my simms in the front two slots. I have 2 4megs in the rear slots and it SEEMS to be OK (albeit at only 100 seconds). I'm keeping it warm now to see: I have gigs this weekend...you know the routine. So. Are the RAM slots damaged (my problem all along) and my fiddling did them in? Problems with the OS or other components? Should I try a parameter reset? Or something more radical? More to the point: has anyone experienced similar problems? I did check the archives, but found nothing similar. If I'm truly up the creek, does anyone know of a place in Canada (S Ontario, preferably) that could fix 'er up? Thanks very much!!!! Regards, Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 12:59:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4HsF510462; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:54:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:54:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <850D5652-2E8A-11D9-BFE3-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers-delight From: Ben Grossman Subject: misbehaving EDP! Help please! Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:54:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to you all, I recently bought a used Oberheim EDP with loop III and 2x 1meg and 2x 256k simms in it. It worked fine when I got it. I then put in the loop IV chip (thanks, Kim). It worked fine. After much searching I finally found 4 4meg simms to put in. I put them in and it showed the full 198 seconds upon start-up. Now I started having intermittent (then more frequent) episodes of full volume nasty noise on the output whenever I tried to record. An amazing noise, really...I enjoyed putting it through effects and making Autechre-type sounds for a full five minutes or so, but then decided that I wanted a lightly more flexible machine... I assumed that one (or more) of the RAM sticks was suspect so I started to swap the sticks to see if I could find the culprit. Now it seems that the machine will not recognise ANY of my simms in the front two slots. I have 2 4megs in the rear slots and it SEEMS to be OK (albeit at only 100 seconds). I'm keeping it warm now to see: I have gigs this weekend...you know the routine. So. Are the RAM slots damaged (my problem all along) and my fiddling did them in? Problems with the OS or other components? Should I try a parameter reset? Or something more radical? More to the point: has anyone experienced similar problems? I did check the archives, but found nothing similar. If I'm truly up the creek, does anyone know of a place in Canada (S Ontario, preferably) that could fix 'er up? Thanks very much!!!! Regards, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- Ben Grossman ben@macrophone.org http://www.macrophone.org http://www.posttraditional.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- Ben Grossman ben@macrophone.org http://www.macrophone.org http://www.posttraditional.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:11:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4I91R14532; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:09:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.208] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping Inspiration Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:07:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 18:08:01.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[38E23470:01C4C299] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could try doing stuff from the Coltrane inspired modal era w/ a repetitive cool bass lick i ,like A Love Supreme, Africa,Maiden Voyage, The Creator has a Master Plan,Red Clay, etc. ,
_________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:21:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4II4l17497; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: misbehaving EDP! Help please! Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:17:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c4c29a$83d31f20$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <850D5652-2E8A-11D9-BFE3-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is an issue with 4MB SIMMs that have 9 chips on them; these screw the unit up and cause the noises you experienced; complicated issue to do with capacitance and timing. You need 3 or 2 chip 4MB SIMMs. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Grossman [mailto:nostyle@sympatico.ca] Sent: 04 November 2004 17:54 To: loopers-delight Subject: misbehaving EDP! Help please! Hello to you all, I recently bought a used Oberheim EDP with loop III and 2x 1meg and 2x 256k simms in it. It worked fine when I got it. I then put in the loop IV chip (thanks, Kim). It worked fine. After much searching I finally found 4 4meg simms to put in. I put them in and it showed the full 198 seconds upon start-up. Now I started having intermittent (then more frequent) episodes of full volume nasty noise on the output whenever I tried to record. An amazing noise, really...I enjoyed putting it through effects and making Autechre-type sounds for a full five minutes or so, but then decided that I wanted a lightly more flexible machine... I assumed that one (or more) of the RAM sticks was suspect so I started to swap the sticks to see if I could find the culprit. Now it seems that the machine will not recognise ANY of my simms in the front two slots. I have 2 4megs in the rear slots and it SEEMS to be OK (albeit at only 100 seconds). I'm keeping it warm now to see: I have gigs this weekend...you know the routine. So. Are the RAM slots damaged (my problem all along) and my fiddling did them in? Problems with the OS or other components? Should I try a parameter reset? Or something more radical? More to the point: has anyone experienced similar problems? I did check the archives, but found nothing similar. If I'm truly up the creek, does anyone know of a place in Canada (S Ontario, preferably) that could fix 'er up? Thanks very much!!!! Regards, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- Ben Grossman ben@macrophone.org http://www.macrophone.org http://www.posttraditional.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- Ben Grossman ben@macrophone.org http://www.macrophone.org http://www.posttraditional.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:23:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4IJXm18058; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:19:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:19:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping Inspiration Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:18:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 4, 2004, at 19:07, samba * wrote: > The Creator has a Master Plan, Pharoa Sanders is a big fav of mine. Do a looping cover of Kulu Se Mama! ;-D Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:25:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4IKxn19065; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:20:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <144.37f8edb3.2ebbcceb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:20:27 EST Subject: NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_144.37f8edb3.2ebbcceb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_144.37f8edb3.2ebbcceb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, It's still over 2 months out but it is never too early to begin planning. The upcoming Anaheim NAMM show is January 20th-23rd, 2005. Anybody out there yet that's planning on attending? My business=20 takes me there every year and I always like to meet up (if possible)=20 with whomever is there.=20 Last year my (then unrepaired) hernia caused me to depart early and miss any looper meeting that might've occurred. I'm looking=20 forward to hanging out with any of you folks who show up this year. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_144.37f8edb3.2ebbcceb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

It's still over 2 months out but it is never too early to begin planning. The upcoming Anaheim NAMM show is January 20th-23rd, 2005.

Anybody out there yet that's planning on attending? My business
takes me there every year and I always like to meet up (if possible)
with whomever is there.

Last year my (then unrepaired) hernia caused me to depart early
and miss any looper meeting that might've occurred. I'm looking
forward to hanging out with any of you folks who show up this year.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_144.37f8edb3.2ebbcceb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:34:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4IWXD23969; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418A75A9.3090804@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:32:09 -0500 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP lock up References: <850D5652-2E8A-11D9-BFE3-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <850D5652-2E8A-11D9-BFE3-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79400964c967c5cb03958dd425e3bd5fcc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.115.111.242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I tap a pedal on my FCB1010 to SUSMultiply or Record a loop to 0.01 seconds, sometimes the EDP locks up. It continues to play the 0.01 second loop, but is unresponsive otherwise. The only way out is to cycle the power. BANG. Consider this a bug report, or a warning. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:34:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4IW7N23599; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <24756249.1099593110607.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:31:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject: Looping Inspiration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:12:15 -0800 From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Looping Inspiration Hi Everybody, I've been working on a solo instrumental looping show for coffeehouses, doing a bass / guitar thing. One of the challenges I've had is finding good material to cover. I'm using a Boomerang, so it's hard to find songs that have a structure that fits with the 'Rang, that also works in an instrumental, jazzy setting. I can do some traditional jazz tunes, but a lot of them have 16 bar forms (or longer) and that's a lot of dead space when you're looping a bassline, then chords, THEN getting to the actual melody! I've done some simple tunes people know, since I think that's really important. Stuff like My Girl, Imagine, What You Won't Do For Love, etc. I'm just wondering how you all find songs that fit the looping situation you're doing, or what you look for in a song to see if it's "loop worthy". Thanks! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:41:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4Id8U26387; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:39:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tqncSk2tv/I6W9UBStD4Dk6DnbpVOZ+7Wyz9jcclrHOUVPU4Kubljd8HgY3AAfv11isDJoPvSkQh0dInwlIqbIUQD/tfUxmxeTfrpnTAY6kVXZhWl6FLVsy8UfTPFaXaeMwm8XuzUTV6Z3xff70W7R9ii1Q8aFEg1F8Q3u8DstA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:38:31 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having never used an actual EDP, I'm curious about how it handles changing the feedback (down from 100%) during regular playback with regards to the undo state. Does it treat the action of changing the feedback as an undoable operation? Only on the first change? jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 13:42:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4IeLd26943; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:40:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:40:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <13445122.1099593588333.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:39:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Inspiration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've played a jillion coffeehouses and I've yet to encounter anyone who tells me they're bothered by spending a few minutes building up the bed of looped tune. Coffeehouse audiences don't really pay close attention to what you're doing--they're reading, surfing, talking to a friend, staring out the window, etc. The people who do pay close attention to you are more than likely going to be interested in watching the layering process (look for the dudes with glasses who start stroking their chins...). I frequently stretch out something like "Sailing" (most well-known as the Rod Stewart hit from the 70's) for ten or fifteen minutes and I've never heard anything other than positive feedback from the audience. Now, if it's just not your bag to do all that in front of the audience, then don't, but I wouldn't assume that the other people in the room are going to object. TravisH >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:12:15 -0800 >From: "Jonathan" >To: >Subject: Looping Inspiration > Hi Everybody, > I've been working on a solo instrumental looping show for coffeehouses, >doing a bass / guitar thing. One of the challenges I've had is finding good >material to cover. I'm using a Boomerang, so it's hard to find songs that >have a structure that fits with the 'Rang, that also works in an >instrumental, jazzy setting. > I can do some traditional jazz tunes, but a lot of them have 16 bar >forms (or longer) and that's a lot of dead space when you're looping a >bassline, then chords, THEN getting to the actual melody! I've done some >simple tunes people know, since I think that's really important. Stuff like >My Girl, Imagine, What You Won't Do For Love, etc. > I'm just wondering how you all find songs that fit the looping situation >you're doing, or what you look for in a song to see if it's "loop worthy". > Thanks! > -Jonathan > http://www.badspatula.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 14:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4JQKh08764; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a801c4c215$08e1e420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00a801c4c215$08e1e420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:16:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Oral Looping History transcribed (was Mellotron) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1112526158==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1112526158==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:21 PM -0800 11/3/04, Rick Walker wrote: >This information and your access to the principles because of all of >your life's work >makes me wonder whether you would consider writing and publishing a >definitive history >of Looping as a musical technique. I might undertake such a project on a smaller scale, but a book-length project is beyond my ambition. If there were a solid publishing deal, with money and a decent editor, it might be more attractive but I wouldn't do it on spec. What might make sense would be a collection of articles including an historical introduction, profiles of noted looping artists, and a technical section with discussions of hardware and software and with theoretical and procedural discussion of different approaches and techniques of looping. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1112526158==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Oral Looping History transcribed (was Mellotron)
At 6:21 PM -0800 11/3/04, Rick Walker wrote:

This information and your access to the principles because of all of your life's work
makes me wonder whether you would consider writing and publishing a definitive history
of Looping as a musical technique.

I might undertake such a project on a smaller scale, but a book-length project is beyond my ambition. If there were a solid publishing deal, with money and a decent editor, it might be more attractive but I wouldn't do it on spec.

What might make sense would be a collection of articles including an historical introduction, profiles of noted looping artists, and a technical section with discussions of hardware and software and with theoretical and procedural discussion of different approaches and techniques of looping.



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--============_-1112526158==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 14:36:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4JWXO11494; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: ADC pin fix diagram contains small error Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:57 -0600 x-sender: billmonk@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bill Monk To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <20041104193157.PTTT2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.123.148]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just noticed a small error in the diagram at the bottom of this page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-17304 The diagram indiates that capacitor C83 is near the U12 pin to be cut. C83 is actually several inches away, between U14 and U15. The diagram should read C80 rather than C83. Obviously not a serious problem, but it seemed worth at least noting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 14:54:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4Jovt14981; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:50:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1CPncf3NAv-0006x5@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: EDP gone nuts Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:50:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <13445122.1099593588333.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcTCndYMbHxZGRLQRqSoj1LQkX0MKQAB/Qmg Resent-Message-ID: <_427ND.A.UoD.9foiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, not exactly, but heres the deal: Oberheim EDP, w/LoopIV, full memory, and I did that 'overheat' mod years ago. With output, mix, feedback up all the way, and input @ 9:00, I have to boost the output about 6dBs on my mixer to reach unity gain. It wasn't always like this (had it since '96 or so). If I increase the input any more, I get distortion, so it is already receiving the hottest signal it can (and the same signal it had been getting all these years). So, with all the knobs being the same as they have always been, and the connections and equipment always being the same (I did try some different mixers and some other things to input)...what went horribly wrong? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 14:59:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4JviO16209; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1CPnj72XAk-00079P@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Feedback knob Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:57:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <144.37f8edb3.2ebbcceb@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcTCm1jf3U162k4YRfeomVSEhUkgAgADNKBQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A very late thank you to Kim & Co for implementing the 'turn the feedback knob and the display changes' feature..this rocks!! Now for LoopV, a wish is to have all the knobs do this- that input knob is really sensitive. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 15:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4K5Tl17772; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418A890F.8060705@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:54:55 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlists for October 2, 16, and 30, 2004. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, I'm playing catch up on the last three episodes of the AM/FM Show. Here are their URLs: http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/041002.html http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/041016.html http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/041030.html Cheers, Bill ============= The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #53 October 2, 2004. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Fanger and Schonwalder Electronic Mirrors E-dition Magazine #4 VA [Tangerine Dream] World of the Day E-dition Magazine #4 Galactic Anthems The Enchantment Abstract Circuitry (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== California Guitar Trio The Marsh White Water (InsideOut) Steve Hancoff Gypsy Without a Song The Single Petal of a Rose (Out of Time) Steve Hancoff Hard Way The Single Petal of a Rose (Out of Time) Emerald City Sligo Maid/Lady in Black CDR (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Proto~Kaw Theophany Before Became After (InsideOut) Steve Hackett Hairless Heart Live Archive - NEARfest (Camino /NEARfest) Steve Hackett Firth of Fifth Live Archive - NEARfest (Camino /NEARfest) Steve Hackett Riding the Colossus Live Archive - NEARfest (Camino /NEARfest) Jordan Rudess Ra Rhythm of Time (Magna Carta) Ozric Tentacles Chewier Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) === Show #54 October 16, 2004. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Keller and Schonwalder Da Capo The Reason Why Part 2 (Manikin) Dave Brewer Riding the Rails to Hamonic Resonance (none) Somewhere Ozone Player Whatever Happened to Frozen Paint on Boiling Canvas the Emperor's Old Clothes? (Visual Power) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== George Winston Thumbelina Montana - A Love Story (Dancing Cat) George Winston Valse Frontenar Montana - A Love Story (Dancing Cat) Paul Schwartz Metamorphosis 2: Dance Aria - Metamorphosis (Koch) Jennifer Cutting Call of the Siren Ocean (Sun Sign) Jennifer Cutting Out on the Ocean/Rolling Ocean (Sun Sign) Waves Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== IQ Sacred Sound Dark Matter (Giant Electric Pea) Azureth The Grand Design Yesterday's Future, Tomorrow's Past (none) Azureth Shadow of a Man YF, TP (none) Azureth Fanfare YF, TP (none) Azureth Humanity Revisited YF, TP (none) Azureth The Sleeper Has Awakened YF, TP (none) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) === Show #55 October 30, 2004. On this program, I played the music of Frogg Cafe and Happy the Man. Frogg Cafe will open for Happy the Man at the New Jersey Proghouse concert series on Saturday, November 13 at the Forum Theater in Metuchen, NJ. Visit http://njproghouse.com for details. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== The following songes were played in pairs from discs one and two, simultaneously from "Fluidities" on the Foundry label. Jonathan Hughes Snowdrift Fluidities [disc 1] (Foundry) Tetsu Inoue Soft Dome Fluidities [disc 2] (Foundry) Saul Stokes Summer Fluidities [disc 1] (Foundry) Jonathan Hughes Vellum Fluidities [disc 2] (Foundry) Jonathan Hughes Photogenic Fluidities [disc 1] (Foundry) M. Bentley April Fluidities [disc 2] (Foundry) Jussi & Jaana Vaisanen Memory II Fluidities [disc 1] (Foundry) Jonathan Hughes and Two Thirteen Fluidities [disc 2] (Foundry) David Mussen Jonathan Hughes and Crescent Fluidities [disc 1] (Foundry) David Mussen dreamSTATE Molten Fluidities [disc 2] (Foundry) Susanne Brokesch Hostile Phone Fluidities [disc 1] (Foundry) Jonathan Hughes Reda Fluidities [disc 2] (Foundry) Ashid Himons, Giles A Hidden Space * A Hidden Space (Space for Reaves, and Tony Gerber Music) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Bill Leslie Quaker Meadows Peaceful Journey (none) Bill Leslie Montreat Peaceful Journey (none) Catherine Braslavsky Stella Splendens Chartres - The Path of the Soul Ensemble (none) Catherine Braslavsky Je te pri de couer par Chartres - The Path of the Soul Ensemble amors (none) Catherine Braslavsky Abwoun Chartres - The Path of the Soul Ensemble (none) Jennifer Cutting The Gladdest Breeze Ocean (Sun Sign) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Frogg Cafe All This Time Creatures (none) Happy the Man Steaming Pipes Crafty Hands (Arista) Transatlantic In Held (Twas) In I Transatlantic (Radiant) Glass Hammer Tales of the Great Wars Live at NEARfest (Arion/ NEARfest) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 13. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 15:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4KewV27631; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041104204019.89132.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping Inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c4c267$8641dd60$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jonathan wrote: > I'm just wondering how you all find songs that > fit the looping situation I make 'em up. :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 16:46:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4LbgZ11018; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:37:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411042137.iA4Lb2a10884@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Internet Recordings of a Violin Looper Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:37:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041104204019.89132.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTCr17fENfYU53dTpWxCC+ucNhg9AABkjXw Resent-Message-ID: <0OhVgB.A.VqC.-DqiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got these recorded for someone else and thought I would point the link out for you all to listen to and well also to spam you about a forum I help run with another friend of mine a violinist and EDP person too (me I'm just a wannabe fiddle looper) -Enjoy! http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum/index.php/topic,6143 I hope the text doesn't get auto wrapped on me understand it is not my work but the music of Cardiff Giant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 17:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA4M82l15664; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:08:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:08:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.59.128.32] X-Originating-Email: [esperantomusic@hotmail.com] X-Sender: esperantomusic@hotmail.com From: "Job Verweijen" To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, esperantomusic@hotmail.com Subject: Something is in the air... Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:06:21 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 22:07:00.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BF0C650:01C4C2BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your e-mail Job. Stay tuned to the Electrix website for updates - check back in 4 weeks for news and announcements. Hi There, There are some rumours that Electrix was purchased and that there might be a relaunch of the Repeater. Can anyone confirm any of this news? For years Repeater-users have waited for a software-update to address some issues of the machine, not that it's a bad machine, on the contrary: it's great but would become even greater when some issues were addressed. I think a Repeater relaunch could mean that this machine will become the Ultimate Super Looper and blow away the Echoplex DP and others. The EDP has some features now that are unavailable on the Repeater like multiple layers of Undo. Hopefully a new Repeater or software update will solve all this and then.....this machine will be Da Bomb. Waiting eagerly for any news........ All best wishes, Job Verweijen, The Netherlands _________________________________________________________________ Ontvang Hotmail & Messenger op je mobiele telefoon http://mobile.msn.com/?lc=nl-nl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 4 20:22:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA51JZm23841; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:19:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:19:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:21:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <3_ErcB.A.fxF.7TtiBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It does treat changing the feedback as something undoable (as long as memory permits) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Chappell [mailto:essejlc@gmail.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 19:39 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question > > > Having never used an actual EDP, I'm curious about how it handles > changing the feedback (down from 100%) during regular playback with > regards to the undo state. Does it treat the action of changing the > feedback as an undoable operation? Only on the first change? > > jlc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 00:20:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA55Gqk27737; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=T3MHg/DmHwfZXNC3rZ+PqDOeFnmBCIRtbsBfyVZER3nt44364u/RIjj//RbNkHK1N4WRGkiTeBSXk+ePK7ji7G/RD/4xoGqpfvT80vMXj1NLiITw76AFGTkosMESEf3LbLN3kEpy6MLcs0zzA9e9CFN+FvDYKra+WcHH7WB/j9I= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:16:31 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it a one time undoable, or does it treat every burst of feedback change as a new state (if memory allows)? And when you undo it, does the feedback return to its original value? jlc On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:21:33 +0100, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > It does treat changing the feedback as something undoable (as long as memory > permits) > > Bernhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Chappell [mailto:essejlc@gmail.com] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 19:39 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question > > > > > > Having never used an actual EDP, I'm curious about how it handles > > changing the feedback (down from 100%) during regular playback with > > regards to the undo state. Does it treat the action of changing the > > feedback as an undoable operation? Only on the first change? > > > > jlc > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 01:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA56KIH02904; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:20:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:20:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041104220804.06f3ae58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:18:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ADC pin fix diagram contains small error In-Reply-To: <20041104193157.PTTT2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.1 68.123.148]> References: <20041104193157.PTTT2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.123.148]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:31 AM 11/4/2004, Bill Monk wrote: >I just noticed a small error in the diagram at the bottom of this page: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-17304 > >The diagram indiates that capacitor C83 is near the U12 pin to be cut. >C83 is actually several inches away, between U14 and U15. The diagram >should read C80 rather than C83. > >Obviously not a serious problem, but it seemed worth at least noting. actually, if your hardware doesn't match that diagram it is because it is a newer hardware version where the problem with that IC pin was already fixed. THAT's the thing that needs to be added to the FAQ! (it won't hurt if you cut the pin, you just didn't need to.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 02:31:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA57S8Y11332; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:28:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:28:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041105072703.60331.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Looping Inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Becks "looser" mute it rap a bit,retrigger it,jump on top of a chair,play the gutar with your teeth etc. you will either be invited back or never again... Luis --- samba * wrote: > > You could try doing stuff from the Coltrane inspired > modal era w/ a > repetitive cool bass lick i ,like > A Love Supreme, Africa,Maiden Voyage, The Creator > has a Master Plan,Red > Clay, etc. > , > >
> > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events > for advice on how to > get there! > http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 05:01:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA59xdQ31693; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:01:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: * Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I try using an example: When you have the feedback at 100% the loop repeats endlessly. When you set it to a value, say, that the loop will repeat once at full volume, once at half the volume and then disappear. You now have to turn the Feedback to 100% if you want the following changes not to be again affected by feedback. Now if you do a long Undo press it will bring back the 50% version. Another long Undo press will bring back the 100% version. So the feedback value itself will not return to its original value by pressing Undo. So, generally: Any change to the loop will be stored as its own version until the memory is exhausted. Pressing long Undo will step you backwards through the stack of versions. HTH Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Chappell [mailto:essejlc@gmail.com] > Sent: Freitag, 5. November 2004 06:17 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question > > > Is it a one time undoable, or does it treat every burst of feedback > change as a new state (if memory allows)? And when you undo it, does > the feedback return to its original value? > > jlc > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:21:33 +0100, Bernhard Wagner > wrote: > > > > It does treat changing the feedback as something undoable (as > long as memory > > permits) > > > > Bernhard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jesse Chappell [mailto:essejlc@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 19:39 > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question > > > > > > > > > Having never used an actual EDP, I'm curious about how it handles > > > changing the feedback (down from 100%) during regular playback with > > > regards to the undo state. Does it treat the action of changing the > > > feedback as an undoable operation? Only on the first change? > > > > > > jlc > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 05:30:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5AS4902786; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:28:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041105102322.0281b9f0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:26:37 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question In-Reply-To: <200411051001.iA5A1nx32246@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411051001.iA5A1nx32246@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It does treat changing the feedback as something undoable (as long as memory >permits) Yes, it's possible to restore "faded" audio; but worth pointing out that the Feedback setting itself is not undone, so that stays where the knob is set. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 10:12:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5FAIn11268; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411051001.iA5A1nI32247@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411051001.iA5A1nI32247@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Something is in the air... Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:09:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <2T1-bC.A.luC.le5iBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wasn't one of the issues with the Repeater that they ran out of program memory (not recording memory) and the platform wasn't designed to allow expansion in that area? When I think of nightmare software projects, the idea of one that's been cold for a few years like this comes to mind. Even if you had the original developers, I'd think that, at best, there's a lot of brushing up needed. On Nov 5, 2004, at 2:01 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > From: "Job Verweijen" > Date: November 4, 2004 2:06:21 PM PST > To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, esperantomusic@hotmail.com > Subject: Something is in the air... > > > Thanks for your e-mail Job. > > Stay tuned to the Electrix website for updates - check back in 4 weeks > for > news and announcements. > > Hi There, > > There are some rumours that Electrix was purchased and that there > might be a > relaunch of the Repeater. Can anyone confirm any of this news? For > years > Repeater-users have waited for a software-update to address some > issues of > the machine, not that it's a bad machine, on the contrary: it's great > but > would become even greater when some issues were addressed. I think a > Repeater relaunch could mean that this machine will become the Ultimate > Super Looper and blow away the Echoplex DP and others. The EDP has some > features now that are unavailable on the Repeater like multiple layers > of > Undo. Hopefully a new Repeater or software update will solve all this > and > then.....this machine will be Da Bomb. Waiting eagerly for any > news........ > > All best wishes, Job Verweijen, The Netherlands From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 12:25:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5HMpt29843; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:20:38 -0800 Message-ID: <03ee01c4c35b$c56b4b80$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03EF_01C4C318.B7480B80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9KxaUD.A.EPH.ya7iBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03EF_01C4C318.B7480B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The loop ended with a quantized multiply 1x....I personally pressed Overdub, but the 'majority' pressed multiply. -----Original Message----- From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 1:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Let's hope you closed te loop today! From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: 11/02/04 13:12:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Heh, just got home from voting to find this thread. I voted against the same guy I voted against last time; that's repetition, but I wouldn't call it looping. :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_03EF_01C4C318.B7480B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 


 
The loop ended with a quantized = multiply=20 1x....I personally pressed Overdub, but the 'majority' pressed=20 multiply.
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Let's hope you closed te loop today!
 
 
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Heh, just got home from voting to find this thread. I
voted against the same guy I voted against last time;
that's repetition, but I wouldn't call it looping. :P
 
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------=_NextPart_000_03EF_01C4C318.B7480B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 12:37:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5HZTA32390; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:35:00 -0800 Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1037667814 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03ee01c4c35b$c56b4b80$6601a8c0@neil> Message-Id: <04A0DCBC-2F51-11D9-8EA6-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 1.325 (*) PLING_PLING X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--1037667814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Friday, November 5, 2004, at 09:20 AM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > =A0 > > > > =A0 > The loop ended with a quantized multiply 1x....I personally pressed=20 > Overdub, but the 'majority' pressed multiply. If the Diebold machines ran the LOOP IV software, I think I'd trust the=20= results more... --Apple-Mail-4--1037667814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, November 5, 2004, at 09:20 AM, Neil Goldstein wrote: =A0 =A0 The loop ended with a quantized multiply 1x....I personally pressed Overdub, but the 'majority' pressed multiply. If the Diebold machines ran the LOOP IV software, I think I'd trust the results more... --Apple-Mail-4--1037667814-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 13:43:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5IWfj08469; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:32:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: Subject: Fw: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:30:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2004 18:31:00.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[99A38440:01C4C365] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The way I think about the EDP undo function is that its like a time machine. It transports you back in time one loop length. It does not effect settings like feedback knob position or parameters you've changed since then. It just makes the loop play as it was playing one loop length ago. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 16:33:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5LKbe31785; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:20:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <777DB4AC-2F70-11D9-950F-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:20:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 5, 2004, at 19:30, jondrums wrote: > The way I think about the EDP undo function is that its like a time > machine. It transports you back in time one loop length. 8< 8< > 8<......... ...until you meet that loop window and get beamed into a parallel universe ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 16:40:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5Lc0S01804; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:38:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:38:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:39:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <777DB4AC-2F70-11D9-950F-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Darn! I was JUST going to say that! > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Freitag, 5. November 2004 22:20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question > > > On Nov 5, 2004, at 19:30, jondrums wrote: > > > The way I think about the EDP undo function is that its like a time > > machine. It transports you back in time one loop length. 8< 8< > > 8<......... > > ...until you meet that loop window and get beamed into a parallel > universe ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 16:41:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5LeSD02354; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041105214006.95964.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04A0DCBC-2F51-11D9-8EA6-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Trenkel wrote: > If the Diebold machines ran the LOOP IV software, I > think I'd trust the results more... Hmmm, the guy who turned me on to David Torn back in the Everyman Band days is named Chad. I used to hang with him, and once our (politically conservative) drummer tried to punch him. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 18:43:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA5Nek317531; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:40:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:40:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <200411051001.iA5A1nI32247@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <036C1566-2F84-11D9-AF15-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Something is in the air... Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:40:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <_-8doC.A.rQE.b9AjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 5, 2004, at 9:09 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Wasn't one of the issues with the Repeater that they ran out of > program memory (not recording memory) the fact that it supposedly had 8 mb of RAM for recording yet you could only record a 20-second loop was quite irritating. i think there was something wrong with the way they managed memory from the get-go. btw, i realise these are two separate issues. i just like beating the dead horse. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 5 22:19:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA63Hs111026; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:17:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:17:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "vogelscheiss" To: Subject: FS: Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on mail.opentransfer.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=12.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before I take this item to eBay, Electrix Repeater. Purchased new. Those of you who know what this is, know what this is and why it is. Racked but never moved. 1001 live and studio uses. Fully described here: http://www.electrixpro.com/products/index.html. 100% condition, manual, box, all that. Photo of mine here: http://vogelscheiss.com/temp/repeater.jpg Reasonable offers will be considered (bearing in mind the going rate on these adorable puppies). Thanks. --Chuck From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 01:54:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA66qiP07045; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:51:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c4c3cd$1b8b9120$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all - Finally!!! I have some live looping videos to share. :) On September 28, a producer at a local public access TV station shot me looping live in their studio. My 30 minute performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City Limits". After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to DVD to .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I now have the four songs available on the Zed: Note: If you can't click on the URLs below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to copy them end to end into your browser. Song Title: Quiddity URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=22&action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188100&type= acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of menacing and dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because at about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits cruising and the functions changing. Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24&action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188107&type= acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, but my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title the song; remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the group a few weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27 Song Title: Off-Centered Blue URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=23&action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188102&type= acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an infatuation with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of light on me while I was playing Song Title: Slipstream URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24&action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188096&type= acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the more melodic of the four songs All in all, they did a fairly decent job on the videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned camera man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience with the equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by giving them instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they came into his master recorder. The cool thing is that the TV station did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional DVD. Can't complain about this!!! Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 01:55:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA66sY107944; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:54:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping Inspiration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c4c267$8641dd60$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jonathan, I've had fun covering Dark Star,Maggot Brain,Little Wing,Pachabels Canon,Some other Blues,Mr. PC.,A Love Supreme,Footprints.Continuum-kuru-3rd Sone from the Sun,All Blues,1983,After the Goldrush, and Blue in Green in a somewhat jazzy fashion on frettless bass , looping.. I think it's fine to have space while you lay down a walking bass or chord structure. Just because you can loop doesn't mean you're obligated too.Try to find musical content that you love enough to stay interested in all aspects of performing. PEACE Scott Kungha Drengsen On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 04:12 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Hi Everybody, > I've been working on a solo instrumental looping show for > coffeehouses, > doing a bass / guitar thing. One of the challenges I've had is > finding good > material to cover. I'm using a Boomerang, so it's hard to find songs > that > have a structure that fits with the 'Rang, that also works in an > instrumental, jazzy setting. > I can do some traditional jazz tunes, but a lot of them have 16 bar > forms (or longer) and that's a lot of dead space when you're looping a > bassline, then chords, THEN getting to the actual melody! I've done > some > simple tunes people know, since I think that's really important. > Stuff like > My Girl, Imagine, What You Won't Do For Love, etc. > I'm just wondering how you all find songs that fit the looping > situation > you're doing, or what you look for in a song to see if it's "loop > worthy". > Thanks! > -Jonathan > http://www.badspatula.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 02:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA67CnH11159; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:12:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: FW: [LoopMusic] 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c4c3ce$fcb13e10$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C4C394.50526610" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C4C394.50526610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like sending the URLs in a raw text email cuts them off with a carriage return. I am sending this one in HTML mode for those of you who recieve your email in HTML or rich text mode. You'll be able to click on the links and launch the page. K- Hello all - Finally!!! I have some live looping videos to share. :) On September 28, a producer at a local public access TV station shot me looping live in their studio. My 30 minute performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City Limits". After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to DVD to .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I now have the four songs available on the Zed: Note: If you can't click on the URLs below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to copy them end to end into your browser. Song Title: Quiddity URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=22 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188100&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of menacing and dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because at about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits cruising and the functions changing. Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188107&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, but my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title the song; remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the group a few weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27 Song Title: Off-Centered Blue URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=23 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188102&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an infatuation with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of light on me while I was playing Song Title: Slipstream URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188096&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the more melodic of the four songs All in all, they did a fairly decent job on the videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned camera man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience with the equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by giving them instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they came into his master recorder. The cool thing is that the TV station did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional DVD. Can't complain about this!!! Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: LoopMusic-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C4C394.50526610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
It=20 looks like sending the URLs in a raw text email cuts them off with a carriage = return. I am=20 sending this one in HTML mode for those of you who recieve your email in = HTML or=20 rich text mode.  You'll be able to = click on=20 the links and launch the = page. 
 
K-
Hello all -

Finally!!! I have some live looping videos = to=20 share.  :)  On September
28, a producer at a local public = access=20 TV station shot me looping live
in their studio.  My 30 minute = performance (4 songs) will be aired on
the station for a program = called=20 "Boise City Limits".  After hours and
hours of tedious and = agonizing=20 S-VHS to DVD to .MPG to .WMV video
conversion, and from 2.5 = Gigabytes down=20 to 45 MB, I now have the four
songs available on the = Zed:

Note: If=20 you can't click on the URLs below, or if they are broken with = a
carriage=20 return, you may have to copy them end to end into your = browser.

Song=20 Title: Quiddity
URL:
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D22&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 0&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort = of
menacing=20 and dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo
EDPs, = because=20 at about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you
can see = the=20 digits cruising and the functions changing.

Song Title: Alice = in=20 Cyberspace
URL:
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird = and
abstract,=20 but my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you = can
recognize two of=20 the melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one
of which I = used to=20 title the song; remember those intense, finger
stretch jazz chords = I shared=20 with the group a few weeks ago? I'm using
some of those starting at = 5:27

Song Title: Off-Centered Blue
URL:
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D23&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have = an
infatuation=20 with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and
one of = songs on=20 my prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer
also added a = blue=20 shade of light on me while I was playing

Song Title:=20 Slipstream
URL:
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18809= 6&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of an improvised song played live at a local
festival; = the more=20 melodic of the four songs

All in all, they did a fairly decent = job on=20 the videos, surprisingly so
because in addition to one full-time = seasoned=20 camera man, there were two
newbie film students who had very little = experience with the equipment.
The producer was able to adapt to = this in=20 the studio by giving them
instructions over their headsets and = switching=20 camera inputs as they
came into his master recorder.  The cool = thing=20 is that the TV station
did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a = result I=20 have a nice
promotional DVD.  Can't complain about=20 this!!!

Cheers,

********************************* =
Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com = =
info@krispenhartung.com








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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C4C394.50526610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 05:47:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6Akhk32093; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 05:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 05:46:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041106104425.70225.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, There is a guy selling a blackface gibson EDP who claims the ones being sold at musicians friend are defective leftovers, and i want to know because i just bought one! here is what he claims: Apparently, according to the music store in Boston I bought it from, There was a problem with the first run of the black faced ones. The store owner told me to order one directly from gibson, not a place like musicians friend, because the factory direct ones were brand new, not left over from the first production. That is all I know. I'm selling this unit because I could use the money more than the looper right now. Hope this helps and thanks for the email. Please let me know!! thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 06:22:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6BLaf04227; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041106111543.02845eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:18:31 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Fw: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question In-Reply-To: <200411060724.iA67OHH12094@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411060724.iA67OHH12094@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:24 06/11/04, you wrote: >The way I think about the EDP undo function is that its like a time >machine. It transports you back in time one loop length. It does not >effect settings like feedback knob position or parameters you've changed >since then. It just makes the loop play as it was playing one loop length ago. >Jon true, but Undo can also be used to cancel a button press, ...like "Record" for instance. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 07:23:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6CNTc11199; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:23:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:23:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041106122157.91106.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 04:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, There is a guy selling a blackface gibson EDP who claims the ones being sold at musicians friend are defective leftovers, and i want to know because i just bought one! here is what he claims: > Apparently, according to the music store in Boston I > bought it from, There was a problem with the first > run > of the black faced ones. The store owner told me to > order one directly from gibson, not a place like > musicians friend, because the factory direct ones > were > brand new, not left over from the first production. > That is all I know. I'm selling this unit because I > could use the money more than the looper right now. > Hope this helps and thanks for the email. > Please let me know!! thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 08:57:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6DvQR22587; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:57:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 67f78b947c48c7091cd5c65573dccdbb Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:17:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Fw: EDP - feedback interaction with undo question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The way I think about the EDP undo function is that its like a time >machine. It transports you back in time one loop length. It does >not effect settings like feedback knob position or parameters you've >changed since then. It just makes the loop play as it was playing >one loop length ago. >Jon nicely said! just for completeness: if you press it during a function like Record or Multiply, it does go back to how it was before you started the function. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 08:59:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6Dvk522624; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:57:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:57:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: a9745eaac56764a88b83095c6915da53 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04A0DCBC-2F51-11D9-8EA6-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <04A0DCBC-2F51-11D9-8EA6-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:14:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT--VOTE TODAY!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Friday, November 5, 2004, at 09:20 AM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > >>The loop ended with a quantized multiply 1x....I personally pressed >>Overdub, but the 'majority' pressed multiply. maybe Record would be apropriate soon... >If the Diebold machines ran the LOOP IV software, I think I'd trust >the results more... thank you, bro :-) yep, I am worried about electronic voting, they do it in Brasil for a while and a few years ago proudly spread the news that US specialist came to learn... it seems so easy to hack such a machine and who will be able to analyze... then again, the fact that our workers father Lula was elected president on the machines gave me some confidence. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 09:27:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6EQgq26975; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:26:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:26:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041106061834.0239d1f0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@earthlink.net@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 06:26:10 -0800 To: Loopers Delight - List From: Tom Heasley Subject: Miles of loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_291919703==_.ALT" X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd486784e266ebcab6c10a2690193d7796a0b07bc47b65cfebd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.159.133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_291919703==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was giving On The Corner (1972/2000) a listen last night. Looping is discussed at relative length in Bob Belden's liner notes to the reissue. Have big fun. .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................tomheasley.com --=====================_291919703==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I was giving On The Corner (1972/2000) a listen last night.  Looping is discussed at relative length in Bob Belden's liner notes to the reissue.  Have big fun.

.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................tomheasley.com
 --=====================_291919703==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 11:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6GVgZ11409; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:31:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c4c420$15e037f0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <001a01c4c3ce$fcb13e10$6401a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: [LoopMusic] 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:45:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MessageKris, Good show! >I now have the four songs available on the Zed< The medium worked very well--image and sound loud and clear! Made it seem that my breakfast dining on 8-grain cereal was in some fancy EDP coffeehouse... 'You're a little insane The money, the fame, the public acclaim Don't forget what you are You're a rock 'n' roll star' David ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung Finally!!! I have some live looping videos to share. :) On September 28, a producer at a local public access TV station shot me looping live in their studio. My 30 minute performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City Limits". (...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 11:33:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6GVnf11520; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:31:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:31:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:31:22 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? In-reply-to: <20041106104425.70225.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <418CFC5A.2050004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20041106104425.70225.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com L. Angulo wrote: >Hi Gang, >There is a guy selling a blackface gibson EDP who >claims the ones being sold at musicians friend are >defective leftovers, and i want to know because i just >bought one! > > I'm on my third one from Musician's Friend. The first one would spontaneously reboot itself , and more than half the time would get stuck scrolling "Loop IV" when powered on. I've since learned that this may be cured by reseating the RAM, but I didn't want to mess with it. The second one had either been dropped or compressed in some way, there was a severe bend in the front panel, you could see the circuitry behind the buttons and it couldn't be racked. The other strange thing was that when I opened the box, the contents were covered with a fairly thick layer of light brown dust. Enough that I had to hold the power cord under running water to wash it all off. The EDP itself was inside a (dusty) layer of plastic and seemed cosmetically ok except for the bent faceplate. I never bothered to power it on. I've had the third one about a week and it seems to be ok so far. The box had obviously been opened and resealed. There was a small amount of dust in it, but nothing like the last one. The EDP looked ok and had no scratches. I had the first one about 30 days before it started acting up, so if you've bought one, you might want to leave it on for long periods of time. If you get one from MF that has a few small scratches on the top surface of the back right corner, it may be the one I returned. I'll bet MF just tosses returned items back into the warehouse, or marks them down as "blemished" and tries to sell them again. Beware. Note to the manufacturers: the cardboard "ears" that surround the EDP in the box to keep if from moving don't work very well. In all three of the ones I received, the holes the EDP fits into were too large or stretched out. The unit moved around a lot when you shook the box, the rack ears could easily hit the side of the box. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 13:15:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6IFJJ24983; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Kaki King looping gear Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:14:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was some discussion of her a while back and what she was using for looping on her first album. As I recall, someone asked her and she said that it was all real time playing on that one, but I'm reading an article now discussing her second album ("Legs To Make Us Longer", produced by David Torn), and she's using a Loop Station some of the time. TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com New mp3 this week: Slaphappy *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 13:30:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6ITD528188; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:28:39 -0500 From: Freelily3@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2236D9B3.21336058.02474F13@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 66.123.53.68 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi what was the date on the manual page of your EDP? I just bought one too but haven't tried it out yet. It was dated 3/9/2003. Is that a first run date? Were the EDP's from that year defective? rebecca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 13:54:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6Ir1I31655; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:53:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:53:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418D1D63.3060708@finleysound.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:52:19 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? References: <20041106104425.70225.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1TuwUD.A.UsH.m1RjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMO, it sounds like the Boston store owner is trying to prejudice you against Musicians Friend. I wonder why? Hmmm... Anyway, I bought an EPD from Musicians Friend which was manufactured sometime in 2003 (I don't want to pull it from my rack to verify the exact date - but is was early 2003) and it works fine. Haven't had a single problem. Matt L. Angulo wrote: >Hi Gang, >There is a guy selling a blackface gibson EDP who >claims the ones being sold at musicians friend are >defective leftovers, and i want to know because i just >bought one! >here is what he claims: > > >Apparently, according to the music store in Boston I >bought it from, There was a problem with the first run >of the black faced ones. The store owner told me to >order one directly from gibson, not a place like >musicians friend, because the factory direct ones were >brand new, not left over from the first production. >That is all I know. I'm selling this unit because I >could use the money more than the looper right now. >Hope this helps and thanks for the email. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 14:27:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6JQW903981; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <418D1D63.3060708@finleysound.com> References: <20041106104425.70225.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> <418D1D63.3060708@finleysound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <54218C82-3029-11D9-82C1-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:23:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 6, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > IMO, it sounds like the Boston store owner is trying to prejudice you > against Musicians Friend. I wonder why? Hmmm... > > Anyway, I bought an EPD from Musicians Friend which was manufactured > sometime in 2003 (I don't want to pull it from my rack to verify the > exact date - but is was early 2003) and it works fine. Haven't had a > single problem. > > Matt I will agree that prejudice is the likely factor. I bought mine 9 days before Y2K4 and it works fine. Local dealers hate Musician's Friend and Guitar Center. Can you blame them? I hate Wal-Mart because I had to close my Plaid Women's Underwear Only in Small Sizes Super Center. I couldn't compete. I started telling women that the Wal-Mart plaid underwear was faulty and blew out at the first instance of flatulence. It wasn't true though. I had to lie to make a buck. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 14:29:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6JRe704322; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:26:45 EST Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b8.65d94fbf.2ebe7f75_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b8.65d94fbf.2ebe7f75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Defective Detectives, In a message dated 11/06/04 8:31:56, Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM writes: > If you get one from MF that has a few small scratches on the top surface > of the back right corner, it may be the one I returned. I'll bet MF just > tosses returned items back into the warehouse, or marks them down > as "blemished" and tries to sell them again. Beware. > It's possible -- if a returned item checks out on powerup when it reaches the Returns Dept. at MF and no "functional" problem is detected. They'd likely look it over, dust it off and sell it as a "blem" . . . maybe. But there is no profit in knowingly selling actually "bad" (nonfunctional) returned gear to an unwitting public when there is a relatively easy path for MF to return stuff to the manufacturer for an inventory replacement (something I wish we end-customers could do). And, mostly, this is what they do. MF has no real repair staff of their own to speak of. They have a person (or two) who are about at the level where they are qualified to restring a guitar or bass and make any reasonable minor adjustments to its settup and/or flip an on/off switch to some electronic piece of gear looking for the red power light. That's about all. Believe me. MF is ALL about profit. Alienating customers by shipping them KNOWN dead gear is not something they'd do. If Gibson is shipping stuff that's getting damaged en route (or something) MF has no staff (and almost no way) to check that 'til they hear from the end-customer. If they actually inspected (let alone tested) every piece of kit that came through their shipping bay doors you wouldn't get the prices from them that you do. I am no particular friend of Musicians Fiend (sic). They can be rather callous to customers with back-ordered items (sometimes). And sometimes they DO sell crap. Some of their "Rogue" and other third-world "no name" imprint items are real dogs. But, every now and again you get a real gem among those (those "Artisan" lap steels for $79 for instance) that turn into minor hits. I speak with some first-hand insider knowledge of MF's inner workings. You can trust them to be reasonably honest within the domain of what's also profitable. The degree of service you may get from them may be somewhat small (but so are their margins on some things). I'd look for the answer to the "Mystery of the Defective EDPs" arriving from there somewhere in the shipping of the units fro m the factory in question. Bad luck (and an unfortunate bad rap) for everyone all around. Best, Ted --part1_b8.65d94fbf.2ebe7f75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Defective Detectives,

In a message dated 11/06/04 8:31:56, Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM writes:

If you get one from M= F that has a few small scratches on the top surface
of the back right corner, it may be the one I returned. I'll bet MF just<= BR> tosses returned items back into the warehouse, or marks them down
as "blemished" and tries to sell them again. Beware.

It's possible -- if a returned item checks out on powerup when it reaches the Returns Dept. at MF and no "functional" problem is detected. They'd like= ly
look it over, dust it off and sell it as a "blem" . . . maybe.

But there is no profit in knowingly selling actually "bad" (nonfunctional) <= BR> returned gear to an unwitting public when there is a relatively easy
path for MF to return stuff to the manufacturer for an inventory
replacement (something I wish we end-customers could do).

And, mostly, this is what they do. MF has no real repair staff of their
own to speak of. They have a person (or two) who are about at the
level where they are qualified to restring a guitar or bass and make
any reasonable minor adjustments to its settup and/or flip an on/off
switch to some electronic piece of gear looking for the red power light. That's about all.

Believe me. MF is ALL about profit. Alienating customers by shipping
them KNOWN dead gear is not something they'd do. If Gibson is
shipping stuff that's getting damaged en route (or something) MF
has no staff (and almost no way) to check that 'til they hear from
the end-customer. If they actually inspected (let alone tested) every
piece of kit that came through their shipping bay doors you wouldn't
get the prices from them that you do.

I am no particular friend of Musicians Fiend (sic). They can be
rather callous to customers with back-ordered items (sometimes).
And sometimes they DO sell crap. Some of their "Rogue" and other
third-world "no name" imprint items are real dogs. But, every
now and again you get a real gem among those (those "Artisan"
lap steels for $79 for instance) that turn into minor hits.

I speak with some first-hand insider knowledge of MF's inner workings.
You can trust them to be reasonably honest within the domain of what's
also profitable. The degree of service you may get from them may be
somewhat small (but so are their margins on some things). I'd look for
the answer to the "Mystery of the Defective EDPs" arriving from there
somewhere in the shipping of the units fro m the factory in question.
Bad luck (and an unfortunate bad rap) for everyone all around.

Best,

Ted --part1_b8.65d94fbf.2ebe7f75_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 15:15:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6KDed10317; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:13:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:12:39 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <418D3037.6010008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: <-Z8D7D.A.bbC.sATjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You can trust them to be reasonably honest within the domain of what's > also profitable. The degree of service you may get from them may be > somewhat small (but so are their margins on some things). I'd look for > the answer to the "Mystery of the Defective EDPs" arriving from there > somewhere in the shipping of the units fro m the factory in question. > Bad luck (and an unfortunate bad rap) for everyone all around. Yes, I didn't mean to imply that MF is deliberately selling bad merchandise. You won't see the bent-faceplate EDP back on the market, though you may see the other one since it often powers up with no obvious problem. I've been ordering from MF for many years and will continue to do so. I just seem to have hit a bad batch. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 15:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6Kb5C13469; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:37:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418D3595.3070502@finleysound.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:35:33 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: King Never album release spam Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5n9QV.A.KMD.bWTjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just released my second album under the name King Never.  The album is called "Orphans, Misfits & Fragments" and I'd describe the music as progressive modern rock with some experimental textures.  The majority of the songs feature looping in one form or other - usually as an instrument instead of a compositional tool.  

If you have the time, audio samples are available at www.artistlaunch.com/kingnever.  Feedback is always welcome.

Email me off-list if you are interested in swapping CDs.  I need some new music!!

Matt

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 15:46:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6KjGZ15876; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411061929.iA6JT7A04816@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411061929.iA6JT7A04816@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:45:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got one that I bought used back in April, so I'd guess it's from the first run, and I've had absolutely no problems with it. On the other hand, over the years I had to return two of the brand new Oberheim units that showed up non-functional. I'm skeptical about your man in Beantown's info. TravisH On Nov 6, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > From: "L. Angulo" > Date: November 6, 2004 4:21:57 AM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? > > > Hi Gang, > There is a guy selling a blackface gibson EDP who > claims the ones being sold at musicians friend are > defective leftovers, and i want to know because i > just bought one! > here is what he claims: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 17:22:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA6MKM226959; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:20:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:16:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping Inspiration From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ~MAGGOTBRAIN~ thee heaviest tune i cover. that tune was definitelee created w/ looping in mind. thanx to george clinton and parliament/funkadelic and their great guitarist eddie hazel :-) is there anywhere i could hear your version, scott? s > Hi Jonathan, > I've had fun covering Dark Star,Maggot Brain,... > PEACE > Scott Kungha Drengsen > > On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 04:12 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> Hi Everybody, >> I've been working on a solo instrumental looping show for >> coffeehouses, >> doing a bass / guitar thing. One of the challenges I've had is >> finding good >> material to cover. I'm using a Boomerang, so it's hard to find songs >> that >> have a structure that fits with the 'Rang, that also works in an >> instrumental, jazzy setting. >> I can do some traditional jazz tunes, but a lot of them have 16 bar >> forms (or longer) and that's a lot of dead space when you're looping a >> bassline, then chords, THEN getting to the actual melody! I've done >> some >> simple tunes people know, since I think that's really important. >> Stuff like >> My Girl, Imagine, What You Won't Do For Love, etc. >> I'm just wondering how you all find songs that fit the looping >> situation >> you're doing, or what you look for in a song to see if it's "loop >> worthy". >> Thanks! >> -Jonathan >> http://www.badspatula.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 21:47:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA72jTP23157; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:45:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:45:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:21:16 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: musical kitchen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I remember a while ago somebody had posted a link to some guys who were making up a show where they were sampling and playing the sounds they were doing while cooking (they were really cooking). If someone could remember it.... thanks, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 22:15:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA73E4o25894; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:14:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: musical kitchen Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:13:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c4c477$bac34c10$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That must have been Michael Peters slicing mushrooms? http://www.ct-collective.com/mp3/wherewereat/where08.mp3 ********** "Une Dance Dans Le Cuisine Du Roi De Beteigeuze" The track was composed of these sounds (can you spot them?): a vocal sample from a renaissance music cd - the cracking of an aluminium yoghurt package lid - a large wooden paper pulp stamper driven by a water wheel - a metal leg of a table - the squeaking and honking of mushrooms being cut with a knife. Everything was put together using Sonic Foundry's Acid software. ********** -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: musical kitchen Hi guys, I remember a while ago somebody had posted a link to some guys who were making up a show where they were sampling and playing the sounds they were doing while cooking (they were really cooking). If someone could remember it.... thanks, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 6 22:20:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA73Jvp27008; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:19:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:19:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041106191822.00ba7c58@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:19:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: musical kitchen In-Reply-To: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com possibly Sonic Kitchen? http://www.sonickitchen.org At 03:21 PM 2000.12.31, Luca Formentini wrote: >Hi guys, >I remember a while ago somebody had posted a link to some guys who were >making up a show where they were sampling and playing the sounds they were >doing while cooking (they were really cooking). >If someone could remember it.... >thanks, >luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 02:24:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA77NEk19648; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:23:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:23:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:21:57 -0700 Message-ID: <004101c4c49a$7a801ac0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4C45F.CE2142C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c4c3cd$1b8b9120$6401a8c0@khartung> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4C45F.CE2142C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links below. Quiddity http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=14 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188347&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Alice in Cyberspace http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=16 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188352&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Off-Centered Blue http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=15 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188349&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Slipstream http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=17 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188357&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! Hello all - Finally!!! I have some live looping videos to share. :) On September 28, a producer at a local public access TV station shot me looping live in their studio. My 30 minute performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City Limits". After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to DVD to .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I now have the four songs available on the Zed: Note: If you can't click on the URLs below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to copy them end to end into your browser. Song Title: Quiddity URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=22 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188100&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of menacing and dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because at about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits cruising and the functions changing. Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188107&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, but my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title the song; remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the group a few weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27 Song Title: Off-Centered Blue URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=23 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188102&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an infatuation with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of light on me while I was playing Song Title: Slipstream URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188096&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the more melodic of the four songs All in all, they did a fairly decent job on the videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned camera man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience with the equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by giving them instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they came into his master recorder. The cool thing is that the TV station did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional DVD. Can't complain about this!!! Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4C45F.CE2142C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Sorry everyone...I = accidentally deleted=20 all of my live looping videos on ZeD and had to upload them again, = which=20 changed the URLs. New links below.
 
Quiddity
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D14&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18834= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751
 
Alice in Cyberspace
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D16&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18835= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751
 
Off-Centered Blue
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D15&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18834= 9&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751

Slipstream
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D17&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18835= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751

*********************************=20
Krispen = Hartung=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com= =20
info@krispenhartung.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent:=20 Friday, November 05, 2004 11:52 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: 30 Minutes of Live = Looping=20 Videos!


Hello all -

Finally!!! I have some live = looping videos=20 to share.  :)  On September 28, a producer at a local public = access TV=20 station shot me looping live in their studio.  My 30 minute = performance (4=20 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City=20 Limits".  After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to = DVD to=20 .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I = now have=20 the four songs available on the Zed:

Note: If you can't click on = the URLs=20 below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to = copy them=20 end to end into your browser.

Song Title: Quiddity
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D22&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 0&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of = menacing and=20 dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because = at about=20 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits = cruising and=20 the functions changing.

Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace
URL: = http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, = but my=20 favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the = melody=20 quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title = the song;=20 remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the = group a few=20 weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27

Song Title:=20 Off-Centered Blue
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D23&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an = infatuation with=20 the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my = prior=20 CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of = light on=20 me while I was playing

Song Title: Slipstream
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18809= 6&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the = more=20 melodic of the four songs

All in all, they did a fairly decent = job on the=20 videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned = camera=20 man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience = with the=20 equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by = giving them=20 instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they = came into=20 his master recorder.  The cool thing is that the TV station did all = this=20 for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional = DVD.  Can't=20 complain about=20 this!!!

Cheers,

*********************************
Krispe= n=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com





------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4C45F.CE2142C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 05:09:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7A7kl10058; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418DF3CA.8050503@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:07:06 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: musical kitchen References: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca, that would be the gemuseorchester, they cook up all the instruments after the show and serve it to the audience :-) http://www.gemueseorchester.org/ Andreas Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi guys, > I remember a while ago somebody had posted a link to some guys who were > making up a show where they were sampling and playing the sounds they > were doing while cooking (they were really cooking). > If someone could remember it.... > thanks, > luca > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 05:17:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7AG2e11545; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> References: <3A4FBF6C.1030007@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: musical kitchen (flash animated loops) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:14:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jan 1, 2001, at 0:21, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi guys, > I remember a while ago somebody had posted a link to some guys who > were making up a show where they were sampling and playing the sounds > they were doing while cooking (they were really cooking). > If someone could remember it.... > thanks, > luca I guess this is not the correct answer, but here's a looped gig with The Kitchen Ensemble (flash player needed): http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html Per Boysen ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 05:59:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7AwDU16492; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:58:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:58:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c4c4b8$9901e000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Live Looping on NPR Nashville Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:57:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm excited to announce that I'll be performing live on the NPR radio program 'Live in Studio C" in Nashville on Tuesday morning at 11 a.m. with my good friend, Nashville session drummer/percussionist (and live looping, zendrum playing electronic percussionist) Tom Roady and Kirby Shelstad doing a percussive looping show. Then on Friday at noon, I"ll be giving a performance/clinic on live looping techniques for the Nashville PASIC convention with thousands of drummer/percussionists from all over the world slated to attend the four day convention. Then on Sunday, Tom will drive us to Memphis where he will be performing with Aretha Franklin, literally one of my main influences musically when I first started playing music. I'll be back in Santa Cruz on November 15th. tune in if you are near the area and aren't busy. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 06:11:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7B9kV18426; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:09:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c4c4ba$3e5b2ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: musical kitchen Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:09:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C4C477.30201DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C4C477.30201DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's cool that this got posted. =20 I've actually done several shows in low income schools in the Santa = Clara Valley where I show kids how to make music using only things they can find in = their kitchen. I use live looping to simulate a lot of people being able to play at = once so they can hear different parts, but then I get the whole class playing simple parts = together to create music. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C4C477.30201DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's cool that this got posted.  =
I've actually done several shows in low income=20 schools  in the Santa Clara Valley
where I show kids how to make music using only = things they=20 can find in their kitchen.
I use live looping to simulate a lot of people = being able=20 to play at once so they can hear
different parts, but then I get the whole class = playing=20 simple parts together to create music.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C4C477.30201DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 06:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7Btxt24624; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:55:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041107115518.47862.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Per Boysen's 'Organisational Culture Loops' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When you make a purchase through CD Baby, they send you an email asking if you received your order, and requesting feedback on the CD. Here's the text of what I just posted about 'Organisational Culture Loops', the newly-released collaboration between listmember Per Boysen and speaker David Cowley: "The problem with many spoken-word recordings is that once you've heard them a couple of times, your desire to hear them again goes away. 'Organisational Culture Loops' is different. In fact, I'm finding that it's growing on me with repeated listening. I attribute this to the way in which producer/looper/guitarist/saxophonist Per Boysen has chosen to treat David Cowley's voice as a musical instrument, while still allowing it to follow the natural rhythms and cadences of human speech. 'Organisational Culture Loops' avoids the extremes of either chopping up the flow of the language to fit the music or of making the music subservient to what could have otherwise been a stand-alone monologue, a middle ground many artists working in this area have been unable to remain within. The result is a compelling listening experience in which the voice and the instruments support and nourish each other symbiotically. On my first listen, I felt that the voice was perhaps a bit too prominent in the mix, but interestingly, once it had drawn me in, I found my opinion had changed; I'm not sure if that was an intentional psychoacoustic technique or a happy accident but in any case, it works. Three of the eleven tracks are instrumentals which make me wish to hear more of Boysen's solo work. Highly recommended!" -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 09:15:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7EEKl09013; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "Woz" To: Subject: recording tips Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:13:24 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4C530.26665800" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTE0/FePISxYiaYS1C7RMPgHA5C+Q== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4C530.26665800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated. Thanx Woz ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4C530.26665800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a = similar type list to loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques = and peer to peer advice. Any clues would be = appreciated.

Thanx

Woz

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4C530.26665800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 11:06:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7G4v021165; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411071604.iA7G4Ia21044@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:04:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4C4B9.9CD3DA20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <004101c4c49a$7a801ac0$6401a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTEmrCYDh7HcPTdRa6UBxfwbvuCOgAR1FdQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4C4B9.9CD3DA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah really nice it is good to see more topics of a musical nature concerning looping and the usage of looping in composition and compositional techniques. It also nice to hear some really intersting and creative music too. I definately was struck by your usage of beginning a piece with a sparsely populated loop that builds and the later modulates in different direction adding and removing elements in a nicely organized musical fashion. I myself (mere begining fiddler previously longtime guitarist) have been dwelling in the short loop with injections technique (partly ambient with glitchy rhythmic base) for a while after listening to this I was inspired to go back and examine the usage of a similar technique naturally by nature I lean to the rhythmic style.I suppose a combination technique is posssible to achieve of both short base loop with insertions and long sparse base loop is what I will explore next. EDP is an amazing compositional tool ain't it ;D Thanks for letting us see your (to me) inspirational work. _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links below. Quiddity http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=14 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188347&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Alice in Cyberspace http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=16 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188352&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Off-Centered Blue http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=15 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188349&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Slipstream http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=17 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188357&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! Hello all - Finally!!! I have some live looping videos to share. :) On September 28, a producer at a local public access TV station shot me looping live in their studio. My 30 minute performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City Limits". After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to DVD to .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I now have the four songs available on the Zed: Note: If you can't click on the URLs below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to copy them end to end into your browser. Song Title: Quiddity URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=22 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188100&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of menacing and dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because at about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits cruising and the functions changing. Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188107&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, but my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title the song; remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the group a few weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27 Song Title: Off-Centered Blue URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=23 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188102&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an infatuation with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of light on me while I was playing Song Title: Slipstream URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188096&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the more melodic of the four songs All in all, they did a fairly decent job on the videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned camera man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience with the equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by giving them instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they came into his master recorder. The cool thing is that the TV station did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional DVD. Can't complain about this!!! Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4C4B9.9CD3DA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ah really nice it is good to see more topics = of a=20 musical nature concerning looping and the usage of looping in = composition and=20 compositional techniques. It also nice to hear some really intersting = and=20 creative music too. I definately was struck by your usage of beginning a = piece=20 with a sparsely populated loop that builds and the later modulates in = different=20 direction adding and removing elements in a nicely organized musical = fashion. I=20 myself (mere begining fiddler previously longtime guitarist) have been = dwelling=20 in the short loop with injections technique (partly ambient with glitchy = rhythmic base) for a while after listening to this I was inspired to go = back and=20 examine the usage of a similar technique naturally by nature I lean = to the=20 rhythmic style.I suppose a combination technique is posssible to achieve = of both=20 short base loop with insertions and long sparse base loop is what I will = explore=20 next. EDP is an amazing compositional tool ain't it = ;D
 
Thanks for letting us see your (to me) = inspirational=20 work.

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, = 2004 2:22=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = RE: 30=20 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links)

Sorry everyone...I = accidentally deleted=20 all of my live looping videos on ZeD and had to upload them again, = which=20 changed the URLs. New links below.
 
Quiddity
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D14&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18834= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751
 
Alice in Cyberspace
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D16&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18835= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751
 
Off-Centered Blue
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D15&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18834= 9&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751

Slipstream
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D17&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18835= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751

*********************************=20
Krispen = Hartung=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com= =20
info@krispenhartung.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent:=20 Friday, November 05, 2004 11:52 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: 30 Minutes of Live = Looping=20 Videos!


Hello all -

Finally!!! I have some live = looping videos=20 to share.  :)  On September 28, a producer at a local public = access TV=20 station shot me looping live in their studio.  My 30 minute = performance (4=20 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City=20 Limits".  After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to = DVD to=20 .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I = now have=20 the four songs available on the Zed:

Note: If you can't click on = the URLs=20 below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to = copy them=20 end to end into your browser.

Song Title: Quiddity
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D22&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 0&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of = menacing and=20 dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because = at about=20 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits = cruising and=20 the functions changing.

Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace
URL: = http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, = but my=20 favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the = melody=20 quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title = the song;=20 remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the = group a few=20 weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27

Song Title:=20 Off-Centered Blue
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D23&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an = infatuation with=20 the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my = prior=20 CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of = light on=20 me while I was playing

Song Title: Slipstream
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18809= 6&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the = more=20 melodic of the four songs

All in all, they did a fairly decent = job on the=20 videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned = camera=20 man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience = with the=20 equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by = giving them=20 instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they = came into=20 his master recorder.  The cool thing is that the TV station did all = this=20 for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional = DVD.  Can't=20 complain about=20 this!!!

Cheers,

*********************************
Krispe= n=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com





------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4C4B9.9CD3DA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 11:32:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7GR3123704; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:27:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:27:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <20.37594990.2ebfa6a8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:26:16 EST Subject: Re: Live Looping on NPR Nashville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.37594990.2ebfa6a8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_20.37594990.2ebfa6a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/04 5:57:59 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I'm excited to announce > WOW!!!!! --part1_20.37594990.2ebfa6a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/7/04 5:57:59 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


I'm excited to announce


WOW!!!!! --part1_20.37594990.2ebfa6a8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 11:48:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7GjBH26363; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:44:03 -0500 Subject: Re: recording tips Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--867923894 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <3BE37506-30DC-11D9-8BB3-000A956F605C@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <4UkzLD.A.GYG.cDljBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-14--867923894 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed tapeop.com has an excellent forum. On Sunday, November 7, 2004, at 09:13 AM, Woz wrote: > Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to > loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer > to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated. > > Thanx > > Woz > --Apple-Mail-14--867923894 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII tapeop.com has an excellent forum. On Sunday, November 7, 2004, at 09:13 AM, Woz wrote: ArialGreetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated. ArialThanx ArialWoz --Apple-Mail-14--867923894-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 12:12:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7HATQ28960; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:10:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:10:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:08:42 -0700 Message-ID: <006a01c4c4ec$725a4120$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C4C4B1.C5FB6920" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200411071604.iA7G4Ia21044@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C4C4B1.C5FB6920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Alan! It makes me very happy when someone is inspired by my work. You hit the nail on the head about a looping technique I like to use. I enjoy the use of non-meter and non-diatonic phrases as a base or superimposed over meter and diatonic based phrases. For example, rather than starting with short phrases in a time signature or key, I like to use longer, more obscure phrases, and then build on them, as you say below. It's like building a cake or house from the top down, as often I don't add some bass groove until the end tie everything together. It allows the complete song to sneak up on people as it progresses....including myself! I am also intrigued with polyrhythm. For example, I find that toward the end of a song, two completely unrelated phrases start to sound like they are a part of a common system. The ear become accustomed to hearing two unrelated time signatures (or lack thereof) and keys and starts to reconcile them into a unified whole. Is this like Gestalt music? :) Hmmmmm. I agree, the EDP is a dream come true for me. So you play the fiddle? I wish I could find a violin/fiddle or cello looper here in Boise. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Ah really nice it is good to see more topics of a musical nature concerning looping and the usage of looping in composition and compositional techniques. It also nice to hear some really intersting and creative music too. I definately was struck by your usage of beginning a piece with a sparsely populated loop that builds and the later modulates in different direction adding and removing elements in a nicely organized musical fashion. I myself (mere begining fiddler previously longtime guitarist) have been dwelling in the short loop with injections technique (partly ambient with glitchy rhythmic base) for a while after listening to this I was inspired to go back and examine the usage of a similar technique naturally by nature I lean to the rhythmic style.I suppose a combination technique is posssible to achieve of both short base loop with insertions and long sparse base loop is what I will explore next. EDP is an amazing compositional tool ain't it ;D Thanks for letting us see your (to me) inspirational work. _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links below. Quiddity http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=14 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188347&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Alice in Cyberspace http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=16 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188352&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Off-Centered Blue http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=15 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188349&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 Slipstream http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=17 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188357&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=406751 ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! Hello all - Finally!!! I have some live looping videos to share. :) On September 28, a producer at a local public access TV station shot me looping live in their studio. My 30 minute performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program called "Boise City Limits". After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing S-VHS to DVD to .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to 45 MB, I now have the four songs available on the Zed: Note: If you can't click on the URLs below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you may have to copy them end to end into your browser. Song Title: Quiddity URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=22 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188100&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of menacing and dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because at about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the digits cruising and the functions changing. Song Title: Alice in Cyberspace URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188107&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and abstract, but my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two of the melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to title the song; remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared with the group a few weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at 5:27 Song Title: Off-Centered Blue URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=23 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188102&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an infatuation with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of songs on my prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue shade of light on me while I was playing Song Title: Slipstream URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=24 &action=watch&CONTENT_ID=188096&type=acquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=228702 Notes: A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the more melodic of the four songs All in all, they did a fairly decent job on the videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time seasoned camera man, there were two newbie film students who had very little experience with the equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the studio by giving them instructions over their headsets and switching camera inputs as they came into his master recorder. The cool thing is that the TV station did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a nice promotional DVD. Can't complain about this!!! Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C4C4B1.C5FB6920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks, Alan!  It makes me very happy when someone is = inspired by my=20 work.
 
You=20 hit the nail on the head about a looping technique I like to=20 use.  I enjoy the use of non-meter and non-diatonic = phrases as a=20 base or superimposed over meter and diatonic based phrases.  For=20 example, rather than starting with short phrases in a time = signature or=20 key, I like to use longer, more  obscure=20 phrases, and then build on them, as you say below. It's like building a = cake or=20 house from the top down, as often I don't add some bass groove until the = end tie=20 everything together. It allows the complete song to sneak up on people = as it=20 progresses....including myself!  I am also intrigued with = polyrhythm. =20 For example, I find that toward the end of a song, two completely = unrelated=20 phrases start to sound like they are a part of a common system. The ear = become=20 accustomed to hearing two unrelated time signatures (or lack thereof) = and keys=20 and starts to reconcile them into a unified whole.  Is this like = Gestalt=20 music? :) Hmmmmm.  I agree, the EDP is a dream come true for=20 me.
 
So=20 you play the fiddle? I wish I could find a violin/fiddle or cello looper = here in=20 Boise. 
 
Kris
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan = Kroeger=20 [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, = 2004 9:05=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: 30=20 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links)

Ah really nice it is good to see more = topics of a=20 musical nature concerning looping and the usage of looping in = composition and=20 compositional techniques. It also nice to hear some really intersting = and=20 creative music too. I definately was struck by your usage of beginning = a piece=20 with a sparsely populated loop that builds and the later modulates in=20 different direction adding and removing elements in a nicely organized = musical=20 fashion. I myself (mere begining fiddler previously longtime = guitarist) have=20 been dwelling in the short loop with injections technique (partly = ambient with=20 glitchy rhythmic base) for a while after listening to this I was = inspired to=20 go back and examine the usage of a similar technique naturally by = nature=20 I lean to the rhythmic style.I suppose a combination technique is = posssible to=20 achieve of both short base loop with insertions and long sparse base = loop is=20 what I will explore next. EDP is an amazing compositional tool ain't = it=20 ;D
 
Thanks for letting us see your (to me) = inspirational=20 work.

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, = 2004=20 2:22 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new = links)

Sorry everyone...I = accidentally=20 deleted all of my live looping videos on ZeD and had to upload = them=20 again, which changed the URLs. New links below.
 
Quiddity
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D14&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18834= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751
 
Alice in Cyberspace
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D16&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18835= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751
 
Off-Centered Blue
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D15&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18834= 9&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751

Slipstream
http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D17&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18835= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D406751

*********************************=20
Krispen Hartung=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com= =20
info@krispenhartung.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent:=20 Friday, November 05, 2004 11:52 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: 30 Minutes of Live = Looping=20 Videos!


Hello all -

Finally!!! I have some live = looping=20 videos to share.  :)  On September 28, a producer at a local = public=20 access TV station shot me looping live in their studio.  My 30 = minute=20 performance (4 songs) will be aired on the station for a program = called "Boise=20 City Limits".  After hours and hours of tedious and agonizing = S-VHS to=20 DVD to .MPG to .WMV video conversion, and from 2.5 Gigabytes down to = 45 MB, I=20 now have the four songs available on the Zed:

Note: If you = can't click=20 on the URLs below, or if they are broken with a carriage return, you = may have=20 to copy them end to end into your browser.

Song Title: = Quiddity
URL:=20 http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D22&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 0&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of a song I improvised for my next CD, "1/6"; sort of = menacing and=20 dark; the producer was obviously fascinated by my stereo EDPs, because = at=20 about 2:18 the camera pans in on both of them, and you can see the = digits=20 cruising and the functions changing.

Song Title: Alice in=20 Cyberspace
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 7&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; weird and = abstract, but=20 my favorite; for you jazzers out there, see if you can recognize two = of the=20 melody quotes about 6:15 minutes into the song, one of which I used to = title=20 the song; remember those intense, finger stretch jazz chords I shared = with the=20 group a few weeks ago? I'm using some of those starting at = 5:27

Song=20 Title: Off-Centered Blue
URL: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D23&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18810= 2&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 Spontaneously composed on the spot in the TV studio; I have an = infatuation=20 with the concept of blue, hence the title of this song and one of = songs on my=20 prior CD, "Impossible Shade of Blue"; the producer also added a blue = shade of=20 light on me while I was playing

Song Title: Slipstream
URL: = http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?POS=3D24&action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID=3D18809= 6&type=3DacquisitionCMS&FILTER_KEY=3D228702
Notes:=20 A variation of an improvised song played live at a local festival; the = more=20 melodic of the four songs

All in all, they did a fairly decent = job on=20 the videos, surprisingly so because in addition to one full-time = seasoned=20 camera man, there were two newbie film students who had very little = experience=20 with the equipment. The producer was able to adapt to this in the = studio by=20 giving them instructions over their headsets and switching camera = inputs as=20 they came into his master recorder.  The cool thing is that the = TV=20 station did all this for me for NO CHARGE, and as a result I have a = nice=20 promotional DVD.  Can't complain about=20 = this!!!

Cheers,

*********************************
Krispe= n=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com





------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C4C4B1.C5FB6920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 12:55:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7HrsX02321; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:53:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:53:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:53:06 EST Subject: Re: recording tips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4.1a8c4894.2ebfbb02_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d4.1a8c4894.2ebfbb02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/04 11:44:28 AM, monk@fuse.net writes: > tapeop.com has an excellent forum. > in fact sign up for their "free" bi-monthly tapeop mag.....a better deal will never be had.....michael --part1_d4.1a8c4894.2ebfbb02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/7/04 11:44:28 AM, monk@fuse.net writes:


tapeop.com has an excellent for= um.


in fact sign up for their "free" bi-monthly tapeop mag.....a better deal wil= l never be had.....michael --part1_d4.1a8c4894.2ebfbb02_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 12:55:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7HsMb02430; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041107125535.007f2600@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:55:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Live Looping on NPR Nashville In-Reply-To: <003401c4c4b8$9901e000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems WPLN makes an MP3 of that show available on the web for the following week at http://www.wpln.org/liveinstudioc/ Congratulations. Looking forward to it. Thanks for the heads-up. -Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 13:06:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7I5eD04511; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418E6368.8000509@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:03:20 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #398 for November 4, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2_sPq.A.yAB.aOmjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041104.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #398 November 4, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on the Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Soundscape Gallery series one." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Body Love" by Klaus Schulze on Metronome Records. Lektronic Soundscapes - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Klaus Schulze Blanche Body Love (Metronome) Shalmaneser Reconstruction of Feature Wars (Circular System) settlement at Dolni Vestonice Callisto Sycorax parts 1 and 2 Signal to the Stars (AD Music) Touch X Tone Alien Radio on a Eye Drum and Beyond (none) Moonless Night Steve Roach, Byron Part Two Mantram (Projekt) Metcalf, and Mark Seelig Una Voce Spectral Mathematics Provenance (none) 12:00 am VA [Jonn Serrie] Sanctuaries Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [Todd Fletcher] Badlands Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [A Produce] Dwell Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [Giles Reaves] Sirius Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [Vidna Obmana] The Nourished Unknown Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [Robert Rich] Requiem Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [Tony Gerber] Jurassic Rain Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) VA [Steve Roach] This and the Other Soundscape Gallery 1 (Lek.S.) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the now defunct Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Soundscape Gallery 2," part of a series of compilation CDs. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Inventions for Electric Guitar" by Ash Ra Tempel (aka Manuel Gottsching) on PDU Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 13:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7IBgh06112; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411071811.iA7IB7a05895@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:11:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C4C4CB.52922090" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <006a01c4c4ec$725a4120$6401a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTE7LDBB0Oi2sc/QMm3XA3Dwv69NQABrXmA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C4C4CB.52922090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keep it coming such things are bound to inspire even more conversation on the topic of creating intersting music through the usage of a looping tools. Too often the discussion here become about toy acquisition and gas syndrome and still that is useful and important too. If it didn't exist I wouldn't know about the existance and usage of new compositional tools. If I were a better fiddler I might have some of my recorded exploits up but, I conciously deceided to take on the double edged sword of learning to use a new musical tool (an instrument unto itself) and an instrument that doesn't lend itself to being learned too quickly but, perhaps my intended goals and fussiness about the quality of my fiddling have hindered or slowed me from persuing the ultimate goal which is making music? I think I try to gravitate towards the compositional aspects available with this tool and stop worrying as much about being a better fiddler after all to me the reason for getting an EDP was about self accompaniment with a tool the does much more than just that. _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Thanks, Alan! It makes me very happy when someone is inspired by my work. You hit the nail on the head about a looping technique I like to use. I enjoy the use of non-meter and non-diatonic phrases as a base or superimposed over meter and diatonic based phrases. For example, rather than starting with short phrases in a time signature or key, I like to use longer, more obscure phrases, and then build on them, as you say below. It's like building a cake or house from the top down, as often I don't add some bass groove until the end tie everything together. It allows the complete song to sneak up on people as it progresses....including myself! I am also intrigued with polyrhythm. For example, I find that toward the end of a song, two completely unrelated phrases start to sound like they are a part of a common system. The ear become accustomed to hearing two unrelated time signatures (or lack thereof) and keys and starts to reconcile them into a unified whole. Is this like Gestalt music? :) Hmmmmm. I agree, the EDP is a dream come true for me. So you play the fiddle? I wish I could find a violin/fiddle or cello looper here in Boise. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C4C4CB.52922090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Keep it coming such things are bound to = inspire even=20 more conversation on the topic of creating intersting music through the = usage of=20 a looping tools. Too often the discussion here become about toy = acquisition and=20 gas syndrome and still that is useful and important too. If it = didn't exist=20 I wouldn't know about the existance and usage of new compositional = tools. If I=20 were a better fiddler I might have some of my recorded exploits up but, = I=20 conciously deceided to take on the double edged sword of learning to use = a new=20 musical tool (an instrument unto itself) and an instrument that doesn't = lend=20 itself to being learned too quickly but, perhaps my intended goals and = fussiness=20 about the quality of my fiddling have hindered or slowed me from = persuing=20 the ultimate goal which is making music? I think I try to gravitate = towards the=20 compositional aspects available with this tool and stop worrying as much = about=20 being a better fiddler after all to me the reason for getting an EDP was = about=20 self accompaniment with a tool the does much more than just=20 that.

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, = 2004=20 12:09 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links)

Thanks, Alan!  It makes me very happy when someone is = inspired by my=20 work.
 
You=20 hit the nail on the head about a looping technique I like to=20 use.  I enjoy the use of non-meter and non-diatonic = phrases as a=20 base or superimposed over meter and diatonic based phrases.  For=20 example, rather than starting with short phrases in a time = signature or=20 key, I like to use longer, more  obscure=20 phrases, and then build on them, as you say below. It's like building a = cake or=20 house from the top down, as often I don't add some bass groove until the = end tie=20 everything together. It allows the complete song to sneak up on people = as it=20 progresses....including myself!  I am also intrigued with = polyrhythm. =20 For example, I find that toward the end of a song, two completely = unrelated=20 phrases start to sound like they are a part of a common system. The ear = become=20 accustomed to hearing two unrelated time signatures (or lack thereof) = and keys=20 and starts to reconcile them into a unified whole.  Is this like = Gestalt=20 music? :) Hmmmmm.  I agree, the EDP is a dream come true for=20 me.
 
So=20 you play the fiddle? I wish I could find a violin/fiddle or cello looper = here in=20 Boise. 
 
Kris
 
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 13:44:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7IhN910349; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.203.18] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Looping on NPR Nashville Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:42:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2004 18:43:00.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B690B70:01C4C4F9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right On Rick, you definately deserve such cool gigs,and I'm sure there will be more .Will the NPR bit be broadcast locally? Break a leg _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 13:59:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7IwRV13136; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:58:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:58:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004101c4c49a$7a801ac0$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <004101c4c49a$7a801ac0$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:57:04 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA7IvAa12902 Resent-Message-ID: <2LxUrB.A.5JD.HAnjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 7, 2004, at 8:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos > on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links > below. I finally found a plug-in to play the Microsoft files on this OS X machine, but then I found that the connection is too slow for streaming. I couldn't find a way to download the files to watch them offline, since the server document is just a reference to the URL where the actual files are hosted and this URL is closed for direct linking. Is there an alternative URL for downloading the wmv files? (for offline watching) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 14:20:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7JJIM16502; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:19:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c4c4ff$774176a0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: Subject: Jazz Looping Pedalboard v2.0 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:24:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I took some photos of the new & improved setup, and there are some mp3s at the bottom of the page. Enjoy! http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 14:30:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7JU0Q18382; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:30:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:30:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:29:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c4c500$10475a40$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA7JTUa18181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could send them to you via email, but they are all 10-15MB each. I may be able to convert to Real Media for you as well. Better yet, I'll just send you the DVD, if you send me your shipping address. Does anyone know of another website where I can upload the videos in download vs. streaming format? Too bad SoundClick doesn't accept videos. Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:57 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) On Nov 7, 2004, at 8:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos > on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links > below. I finally found a plug-in to play the Microsoft files on this OS X machine, but then I found that the connection is too slow for streaming. I couldn't find a way to download the files to watch them offline, since the server document is just a reference to the URL where the actual files are hosted and this URL is closed for direct linking. Is there an alternative URL for downloading the wmv files? (for offline watching) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 14:39:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7JbmY19454; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:37:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:37:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041107193710.86178.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Jazz Looping Pedalboard v2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c4c4ff$774176a0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very clean layout. How are the pedals fastened into the boards? -t- --- Mark Smart wrote: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 14:42:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7Jfl520318; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:41:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:41:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411071941.iA7JfFa20146@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000301c4c500$10475a40$6401a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTFADoucgSc0lTfSJuxCDc0aDtI1QAAQzug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA7JfFa20146 Resent-Message-ID: <23DVOC.A.E7E.cpnjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you could extract the audio portion and create mp3's out of them! You lose the video but, that would give some folks a chance at least to hear the recording. Some might not even try to get a look at these just because of the size though I suspect that many here have high speed connections anyway? Just me speculating *shrug* -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) I could send them to you via email, but they are all 10-15MB each. I may be able to convert to Real Media for you as well. Better yet, I'll just send you the DVD, if you send me your shipping address. Does anyone know of another website where I can upload the videos in download vs. streaming format? Too bad SoundClick doesn't accept videos. Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:57 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) On Nov 7, 2004, at 8:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos > on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links > below. I finally found a plug-in to play the Microsoft files on this OS X machine, but then I found that the connection is too slow for streaming. I couldn't find a way to download the files to watch them offline, since the server document is just a reference to the URL where the actual files are hosted and this URL is closed for direct linking. Is there an alternative URL for downloading the wmv files? (for offline watching) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 14:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7JnTM21458; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:49:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <418E7C2E.5060104@finleysound.com> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:49:02 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tips References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/7/04 11:44:28 AM, monk@fuse.net writes:
tapeop.com has an excellent forum.


in fact sign up for their "free" bi-monthly tapeop mag.....a better deal will never be had.....michael
I'll second that.  An excellent magazine.  I still can't believe it's free.

--
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 15:08:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7K7GP23923; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:07:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:07:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FW: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:08:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4C50D.F081ED70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS, HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE,J_CHICKENPOX_93,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4C50D.F081ED70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try these: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Quiddity.w mv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Alice_in_C yberspace.wmv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Center ed_Blue.wmv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Slipstream .wmv Click on these links in a way that will offer you a "Save As..." option. Windows that would be right-clicking (for righthanders, that is). I don't know what it is for Mac-Users, Per ... If it doesn't work directly from this mail, try the attached html file Cheers Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 7. November 2004 20:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) > > > I could send them to you via email, but they are all 10-15MB each. I > may be able to convert to Real Media for you as well. Better yet, I'll > just send you the DVD, if you send me your shipping address. > > Does anyone know of another website where I can upload the videos in > download vs. streaming format? Too bad SoundClick doesn't accept > videos. > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:57 AM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) > > > On Nov 7, 2004, at 8:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping videos > > on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. New links > > > below. > > > I finally found a plug-in to play the Microsoft files on this OS X > machine, but then I found that the connection is too slow for > streaming. I couldn't find a way to download the files to watch them > offline, since the server document is just a reference to the URL where > the actual files are hosted and this URL is closed for direct linking. > Is there an alternative URL for downloading the wmv files? (for offline > watching) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4C50D.F081ED70 Content-Type: text/html; name="krispen.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="krispen.html" quiddity alice blue slipstream ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4C50D.F081ED70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 15:34:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7KXur27568; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:33:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:33:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c4c509$a7cca240$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20041107193710.86178.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Jazz Looping Pedalboard v2.0 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:37:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_sIII.A.XpG.iYojBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Very clean layout. How are the pedals fastened into > the boards? > > -t- I used sticky Velcro to fasten the pedals to the wood. The Angstrom pedal cases come with a loop velcro floor. Unfortunately, this floor is almost an inch below the lip of the metal sides, making it difficult to reach the pedals and plug in cables. Also, a solid floor of black velcro attracts cat hair like a magnet. :) So I cut two pieces of particle board shelving (just like what I used for version 1.0) to the right size, epoxied some strips of hook velcro to the bottom (the adhesive that comes on the sticky velcro seems never to be as strong as the velcro itself), and stuck them in there. Then I epoxied loop velcro pieces to the board just underneath the pedals. Now the pedals are raised up and easy to step on. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 15:38:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7KbDf28383; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:37:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:35:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c4c509$54e11070$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA7KZla28080 Resent-Message-ID: <7UQRB.A.G3G.jcojBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent! Thank you, Bernhard. This was brilliant. I took these back-door links and added download links to a web page on my site: http://www.krispenhartung.com/ K- -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Try these: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Quiddi ty.w mv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Alice_ in_C yberspace.wmv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Ce nter ed_Blue.wmv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Slipst ream .wmv Click on these links in a way that will offer you a "Save As..." option. Windows that would be right-clicking (for righthanders, that is). I don't know what it is for Mac-Users, Per ... If it doesn't work directly from this mail, try the attached html file Cheers Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 7. November 2004 20:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) > > > I could send them to you via email, but they are all 10-15MB each. I > may be able to convert to Real Media for you as well. Better yet, I'll > just send you the DVD, if you send me your shipping address. > > Does anyone know of another website where I can upload the videos in > download vs. streaming format? Too bad SoundClick doesn't accept > videos. > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:57 AM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) > > > On Nov 7, 2004, at 8:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Sorry everyone...I accidentally deleted all of my live looping > > videos on ZeD and had to upload them again, which changed the URLs. > > New links > > > below. > > > I finally found a plug-in to play the Microsoft files on this OS X > machine, but then I found that the connection is too slow for > streaming. I couldn't find a way to download the files to watch them > offline, since the server document is just a reference to the URL > where the actual files are hosted and this URL is closed for direct > linking. Is there an alternative URL for downloading the wmv files? > (for offline > watching) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 16:02:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7L0V031274; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:59:33 EST Subject: Re: Live Looping on NPR Nashville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.5bef04d2.2ebfe6b5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ce.5bef04d2.2ebfe6b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, Congratulations! As they say, it couldn't happen to a nicer=20 guy (or in my opinion a more hardworking and talented one)! Break a drumstick! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_ce.5bef04d2.2ebfe6b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,

Congratulations! As they say, it couldn't happen to a nicer
guy (or in my opinion a more hardworking and talented one)!
Break a drumstick!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_ce.5bef04d2.2ebfe6b5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 16:15:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7LELa01186; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:14:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:13:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hopefully this week will be devoid of rescheduling and such excitement. There's a new mp3 on the website: http://www.travishartnett.com/soundclips/slaphappy.mp3 And here's the shows: Nov. 9, Tuesday, 7-9PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Nov. 10, Wednesday, 9:30PM the Rendezvous (opening for The Universe) *Nov. 12, Friday, 8-10PM Starbucks (5700 100th Street, Lakewood) Nov, 13, Saturday, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 16:51:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7LoUp06971; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:50:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:50:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4940.206.163.95.9.1099863897.squirrel@206.163.95.9> In-Reply-To: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:44:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: recording tips From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to > loopers > delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer to peer > advice. Any clues would be appreciated. > > Thanx > > Woz > > It's not a mailing list, but the TapeOp message board (http://messageboard.tapeop.com) is one of my favorite hangs for recording info. The magazine is awesome too. And free! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 17:22:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7MKx611050; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:20:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VB25S5bL6PuHuLXTdNpcWI2G5Sjuj2H6D971x0YLNav0+DvkZjTzCpPv10vYjzL+nYtIudRc62jAt+hL7H/+q2FNrxCWeNG4VTcJB5GTPA9GlqMH6BG5DGIx6vha6zip4s/LlhWMW3Q9/U26sqAGo5VOO2fmVpJqDsnrqrasHvA= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:20:18 -0800 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tips In-Reply-To: <4940.206.163.95.9.1099863897.squirrel@206.163.95.9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> <4940.206.163.95.9.1099863897.squirrel@206.163.95.9> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Better quality magazine than the ones you have to pay for. On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:44:57 -0800 (PST), improv@peak.org wrote: > > Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to > > loopers > > delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer to peer > > advice. Any clues would be appreciated. > > > > Thanx > > > > Woz > > > > > It's not a mailing list, but the TapeOp message board > (http://messageboard.tapeop.com) is one of my favorite hangs for recording > info. The magazine is awesome too. And free! > > -- Joey Aguilera http://www.voodoogarden.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 17:23:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7MLsc11310; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <092101c4c518$1f681ba0$050a5c54@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> <4940.206.163.95.9.1099863897.squirrel@206.163.95.9> Subject: Re: recording tips Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:21:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's not a mailing list, but the TapeOp message board > (http://messageboard.tapeop.com) is one of my favorite hangs for recording > info. The magazine is awesome too. And free! Not to anyone outside the US unfortunately! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 17:34:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7MYUt13538; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: recording tips Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:35:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <092101c4c518$1f681ba0$050a5c54@computername> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <1B4wCD.A._ND.cKqjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, same here... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sturt [mailto:dave@davesturt.f9.co.uk] > Sent: Sonntag, 7. November 2004 23:21 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: recording tips > > > > It's not a mailing list, but the TapeOp message board > > (http://messageboard.tapeop.com) is one of my favorite hangs > for recording > > info. The magazine is awesome too. And free! > > Not to anyone outside the US unfortunately! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 18:10:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7N9vR17339; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:09:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:09:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:07:46 -0800 Subject: Re: recording tips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <092101c4c518$1f681ba0$050a5c54@computername> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, November 7, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Dave Sturt wrote: >> It's not a mailing list, but the TapeOp message board >> (http://messageboard.tapeop.com) is one of my favorite hangs for >> recording >> info. The magazine is awesome too. And free! > > Not to anyone outside the US unfortunately! > > True, and I'm sorry for forgetting this. I don't know what TapeOp costs outside the US, but I think it'd still be worth it. And the messageboard is free. The only other recording mag worth getting, IMHO, is the UK-published Sound on Sound, which I gladly pay for. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 18:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7NWRv20025; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <18201EA6-3115-11D9-A4F1-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 30 Minutes of Live Looping Videos! (new links) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:31:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 7, 2004, at 21:08, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Click on these links in a way that will offer you a "Save As..." > option. > Windows that would be right-clicking (for righthanders, that is). I > don't > know what it is for Mac-Users, Per ... Right-clicking is the way to go on Mac as well (if not sticking with that ridiculous one-button mouse). Thanks for the heads up, Bernhard. > If it doesn't work directly from this mail, try the attached html file Yeah! Great! Digging in on Quiddity now, before going to sleep ;-) Those ring modulated notes will make me dream about Spock and Captain Kirk ;-) Nice space tech sound, Krispen! Will download more tomorrow. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 18:56:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA7NtKD22823; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:54:14 -0800 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 218.222.219.194/instID=95 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. Most units for sale on eBay are accompanied by some kind of comment by the seller that they didn't have the time to learn how to use it, or that it was too complicated. If there was some kind of tutorial to help people get beyond the record and overdub buttons, I think more people would hang onto their units, thus forcing eBay buyers to buy new ones. Which in my opinion would have a positive effect on user satisfaction and sales considerably. Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 like-minded people. A tutorial for the rest of us would get (or perhaps keep) the EDP into the hands of people who play the fun stuff for bigger crowds. Just my $.02. tj From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 19:48:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA80lCK29644; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TBbBCagyyROB6MR5qYG0AHQUuWi2ApARU6AWWIDHBPiY+mkfbL83xEcTVsX2rr+LQowZdC+08ri1bzSPuKuf2slYyBz+dAlxHmXySF8H0sw7QIKehhuuN/LGJ749kItAGAzx+v7ocz1yuxUVyAzAl8ytlvVZsL9G3HSI7IqiX1k= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:46:34 -0800 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP manual In-Reply-To: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8Gyy0D.A.vMH.sHsjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not rocket science :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 19:55:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA80sps31072; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411080053.iA80rCa30814@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:53:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTFJWJ8zpHA957uQSKgPT+qizTp5QAB2iwg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is close Read the information change the settings on your EDP and follow the bouncing ball read it soon as you can never know when it might disappear. Somebody should have paid him for his work on this or at least to keep it up and available. My one CD purchase could only go just so far hmm, here's a thought buy a CD if you feel like you learned something! -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP manual My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. Most units for sale on eBay are accompanied by some kind of comment by the seller that they didn't have the time to learn how to use it, or that it was too complicated. If there was some kind of tutorial to help people get beyond the record and overdub buttons, I think more people would hang onto their units, thus forcing eBay buyers to buy new ones. Which in my opinion would have a positive effect on user satisfaction and sales considerably. Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 like-minded people. A tutorial for the rest of us would get (or perhaps keep) the EDP into the hands of people who play the fun stuff for bigger crowds. Just my $.02. tj From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 19:59:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA80wKA31753; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041104002449.0478c430@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:57:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual In-Reply-To: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> References: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jeff, thanks a lot for the manual suggestions, that's really useful feedback. At 11:08 AM 11/1/2004, Jeff Larson wrote: >First, I found the transition from the User's Guide to Parameters >disorienting. I think Functions should have been first. I was >expecting more depth on the User's Guide material but got lost in >parameter details without having a good mental model for how those >might actually be used. that makes sense. >Functions should be presented in order of "popularity" rather than >alphabetically. Yes, this part is a challenge. I dislike alphabetical order also. The original manual was totally alphabetical for the whole reference section, which meant lots of strange juxtapositions like Input Volume next to Insert. It made no sense. I split everything into categories for the new manual to make that work better. But then I left it alphabetical in the individual chapters because I figured that would make it much easier for someone to pick up the manual and quickly find a specific item. It doesn't work so well for reading straight through. If the reference section were ordered for readability it would then be much harder to find a specific thing quickly when you are looking back at it for reference. It is hard to decide which way is right. In the end I was way past the deadline and it was already alphabetical, so the decision got made that way! >Sure everyone has a different way of approaching the >EDP, but I'll bet the top 10 functions of interest will be pretty much >the same for 99% of new users. Put brain contorting features like >InterfaceMode and Loop Windowing last. There is enough to digest >without having those bombs dropped on you in the middle. Possibly an >"Advanced" section to contain those things that you won't understand >until you already have a good grasp of basic functions. That's probably a good idea. The "Quick Start" chapter in the beginning is supposed to cover the basic stuff for beginners. I really expect people would spend a few weeks just learning that part before moving on the more advanced functions. But perhaps the quick start needs more. Still, most people stick to the functions in that section for a long time. The whole "user guide" portion got shortchanged in the first Echoplex manual because time ran out to finish it. I had the same problem again this time for the new manual, the reference section took a long time but I felt it was necessary for that part to be complete and accurate. I managed to do a few passes over the whole User Guide half of the manual before I had to wrap it up, adding some new material and making it more clear and complete. It is a lot better than it was in the old manual, but I still wish I could do more in there. The problem I see is many people buy a looper with an expectation that it is like a simple effect, where they plug into it and it makes some noise and there is fairly instant gratification. You can figure the effect parameters out in an afternoon. They don't realize that they have just bought a new musical instrument that they will need to learn how to play it, and this will take some time and practice, just as it does with any other instrument. >The problem with this approach is that some parameters like Quantize >affect lots of functions and you don't want to duplicate it >everywhere. I did try to make sure the effect of quantize and some other parameters was included with functions where it mattered. It is hard to make a judgement about that, since it can end up with a lot of duplication if the effect of every parameter is included in each function. It is clearly needed sometimes, however. >For this and a few other things I would add a "Concepts" >section that precedes Functions. Here you introduce what functions, >parameters, and presets are. Then a few broadly applicable concepts >like like Feedback, Quantize, MoreLoops, maybe SwitchQuant, and some >things in the Functions section that aren't really functions like SUS >Commands and LoopDivide. In the beginning is the section called "Terminology" that does some of this. I added to that over the original manual to cover more of the concepts as you suggest. I agree it could have still more, and maybe it is better named "Concepts" and given a whole chapter. >I might move interesting but not very practical information like >"Undo/Under The Hood" to an Appendix. There I don't agree, if you really want to use Undo well, it is essential to understand how it works internally. I don't want to make people bounce around so much to reach that understanding, I want to lead them into it soon. Or at least leave them with the feeling that there is some important details still to learn. If it is in an appendix most people will never see it. I have noticed with the new manual that people are reaching the more advanced looping concepts a lot faster than they did before, since so much of it is now explicitly described. Before you had to intuit so much that most never got there. Plus it helps that today there are many more experienced loopers creating good music and using more advanced looping techniques. Much more is taught that way than by manuals, I think. >The "Parameter Presets" and "User Interface" felt sort of buried, I >would probably place them higher, certainly above Synchronization and >MIDI Control, and maybe after Concepts. The User Interface part especially. I don't really remember why I had that towards the end, it doesn't make sense to me now either! Probably another thing where I just ran out of time and left it where it was. >Now, I don't want to sound too critical. These are debatable >editorial choices that should not detract from the fact that the >manual is extremely comprehensive and accurate. I have great respect >for the authors, writing for complex systems is a very hard job. Well, thanks a lot. Criticisms are fine with me when they come along with useful suggestions and specific examples of where the problems are. So this is quite helpful. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 20:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA811GF32494; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:01:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:01:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411080059.iA80xpa31999@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:00:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200411080053.iA80rCa30814@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTFJWJ8zpHA957uQSKgPT+qizTp5QAB2iwgAABX07A= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops Slipped tisk tisk tisk http://www.altruistmusic.com/edp.html Echoplex Analysis Page -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP manual This is close Read the information change the settings on your EDP and follow the bouncing ball read it soon as you can never know when it might disappear. Somebody should have paid him for his work on this or at least to keep it up and available. My one CD purchase could only go just so far hmm, here's a thought buy a CD if you feel like you learned something! -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP manual My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. Most units for sale on eBay are accompanied by some kind of comment by the seller that they didn't have the time to learn how to use it, or that it was too complicated. If there was some kind of tutorial to help people get beyond the record and overdub buttons, I think more people would hang onto their units, thus forcing eBay buyers to buy new ones. Which in my opinion would have a positive effect on user satisfaction and sales considerably. Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 like-minded people. A tutorial for the rest of us would get (or perhaps keep) the EDP into the hands of people who play the fun stuff for bigger crowds. Just my $.02. tj From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 20:03:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8123232721; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041108010131.71770.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: recording tips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7dXi3C.A.b8H.wVsjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Trenkel wrote: >I don't > know what TapeOp costs > outside the US, but I think it'd still be worth it. Canadian and foreign subscriptions are $45 a year (six issues), and they apologize, saying "Don't blame us, it's the way the postal system works". -t- http://www.tapeop.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 20:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA81GFl02127; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107170113.06e91fb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:15:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP manual In-Reply-To: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> References: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-ai2mC.A.kf.xisjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: >My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But it >would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for experienced Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials and teach looping. People are obviously willing to pay. What are you waiting for? It has nothing to do with the Echoplex, that just happens to be a looping device that offers a more complete range of looping functions than other loopers. People want someone to teach them looping, not Echoplex. People who think they want someone to teach them Echoplex really need someone to teach them Looping. About the only person who seems to have gotten this is Andre LaFosse. Piano makers don't teach piano. Guitar makers don't teach guitar. Tuba makers don't teach tuba. I'm sure they would like to, but it is hard enough to stay on top of making the damned things. There is a whole educational industry devoted to teaching these instruments anyway. Why not looping? Get off your ass and go do it. >Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very >intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 >like-minded people. Are you saying people who play to bigger crowds are not very intelligent? couldn't resist. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 20:44:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA81gl905404; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:42:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:42:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411080142.iA81g5a05272@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:42:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107170113.06e91fb0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTFMVmRNJzjnE7LSIuzapV3loWGhwAAmrZw Resent-Message-ID: <-3hZzC.A.pSB.t7sjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sent off a message to Andre about doing a DVD doubtless I will end up just annoying him ;D Sombody suggested I write a book today "Echoplex For Dummies" today in a chat session maybe I should think about it even if I ain't Andre ;D -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP manual At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: >My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But >it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for experienced Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials and teach looping. People are obviously willing to pay. What are you waiting for? It has nothing to do with the Echoplex, that just happens to be a looping device that offers a more complete range of looping functions than other loopers. People want someone to teach them looping, not Echoplex. People who think they want someone to teach them Echoplex really need someone to teach them Looping. About the only person who seems to have gotten this is Andre LaFosse. Piano makers don't teach piano. Guitar makers don't teach guitar. Tuba makers don't teach tuba. I'm sure they would like to, but it is hard enough to stay on top of making the damned things. There is a whole educational industry devoted to teaching these instruments anyway. Why not looping? Get off your ass and go do it. >Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very >intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 >like-minded people. Are you saying people who play to bigger crowds are not very intelligent? couldn't resist. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 21:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA82BDs08379; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:11:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:11:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107174548.047d4c28@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:10:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP gone nuts In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1CPncf3NAv-0006x5@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <13445122.1099593588333.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <0MKz1m-1CPncf3NAv-0006x5@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:50 AM 11/4/2004, hazard factor wrote: > Well, not exactly, but heres the deal: >Oberheim EDP, w/LoopIV, full memory, and I did that 'overheat' mod years >ago. With output, mix, feedback up all the way, and input @ 9:00, I have to >boost the output about 6dBs on my mixer to reach unity gain. It wasn't >always like this (had it since '96 or so). If I increase the input any more, >I get distortion, so it is already receiving the hottest signal it can (and >the same signal it had been getting all these years). So, with all the knobs >being the same as they have always been, and the connections and equipment >always being the same (I did try some different mixers and some other things >to input)...what went horribly wrong? My guess is it broke. It also sounds like you would benefit from doing the input gain mod so that the gains are set up like the newer units. (in the faq on the LD site) For future reference, Echoplex repair services are offered by a company called British Audio Services, http://www.britishaudioservice.com. I believe that is where you will find Shane Radtke, who is an expert on repairing them. You can also contact Gibson at service@gibson.com Usually, internet mailing lists are really not very efficient at repairing hardware! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 21:57:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA82u4V14496; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1CQzgP2bq5-00004s@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP gone nuts Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:55:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107174548.047d4c28@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcTFODmx04S92iVPQYOd5wR7VApRLgABfm8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8BZRDB.A.HgD.KAujBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I had to at least get an idea if it was a hardware or software thing. Thanks for the tip...I will email Shane to fix this thing.. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Usually, internet mailing lists are really not very efficient > at repairing hardware! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 7 22:43:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA83ggq20606; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:42:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:42:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107193410.053037c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:41:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pedal Options (buttons) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:34 AM 10/22/2004, lol c wrote: >I am still plugging away at my own homebrewed pedal for the edp, i have >most of the things i need in place now, i have found the buttons that I >like, however as with many stages of this build I have been presented with >more options then I knew the answer to. > >it seems to be there are multipul optins of > >single pole, double pole, >single throw, double throw > >momentary, latching etc I don't know if anybody ever answered this. The simplest kind - momentary single pole, single throw is all you need. When you push the button, it shorts the two terminals together, when you let it go they disconnect. If there is an option of normally open or normally closed, you want normally open. Other pole/throw combinations can be made to work also, it's usually just a question wiring the right terminals. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 00:33:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA85XHF00981; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:33:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107203602.047aba48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:16:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual In-Reply-To: <15B8FDDA-2C3C-11D9-B7EB-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> References: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> <15B8FDDA-2C3C-11D9-B7EB-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM 11/1/2004, Larry Cooperman wrote: >Kim made the analogy to not being able to play the guitar by manual and >that's right. But it's fruit and meat. learning the guitar, manual or >otherwise, is at the same time learning music, culture and what girls like. Aside from the part about "what girls like", I would say learning looping is quite similar, not different. You are also learning about music, culture, a process for creating, techniques on an instrument, the stylistic vocabulary of that instrument. It's much more than a bunch of buttons on some box. A looper is an instrument that takes a lot of learning and practice to become skilled, and the manual that came with the looper isn't going to teach you most of that. It just tells you what the functions and buttons do and where to connect the cables. So far as I can tell though, looping is not a very good way to meet girls. >Happens to involve technology now and manuals that don't, maybe, go about >being tutorial like and that are using an organizational principal based >on jargon, are somewhat hard for me. Is jargon avoidable? I don't see how. At some point you have to give names to concepts and ideas and functions. Overtime I think it just becomes necessary or the communication is too cumbersome for those who talk about it all the time. The names develop naturally. When somebody new comes into it, part of learning the subject is learning the terms that go with it. That is also true for classical guitar as much as it is for looping or anything else. In the beginning with any new subject, it is always confusing while you figure out what all the new words mean. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 00:57:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA85u8Y03374; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:56:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:56:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411080343.iA83hM520683@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411080343.iA83hM520683@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP manual Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:55:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tutorials are really expensive and time-consuming to produce, and it's rare to find someone who's both adept at using the EDP (or any musical instrument) and who's a great instructor. I've seen lots of requests for EDP help over the years, and they usually fall into one of two categories: 1) I'm trying to do a specific thing (sync to a drum machine, operate a stereo pair, etc.)--can someone walk me through it? 2) I just got the EDP, the manual overwhelms me, how do I work this thing? Questions that fall into the first category can usually be answered in a few rounds. The second category is really too broad. "The quality of the question determines the quality of the answer" becomes really apparent in these second category cases. If someone were to ask me, I'd say "Well, what prompted you to buy the box in the first place?" The EDP is expensive enough that no-one really buys it on a lark, and so there's some basic concept of "What I want the EDP to do" in the back of the questioner's mind. Once you've got that stated, in even the most general terms ("I want to make ambient soundscapes", or "I want to lay down chord changes and solo over them", and so on), then help, suggestions and advice can be shared. Some people may find out they've bought the wrong piece of gear, or that they'll need to modify their approach. Each looping device encourages some compositional approach, and discourages others, but the nature of that match may not be apparent beforehand if the user doesn't have a good understanding of what they're trying to do, how they're going about it, and what the looping device is capable of. TravisH On Nov 7, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP manual > > At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: >> My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. >> But >> it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. > > I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for > experienced > Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials and teach > looping. > People are obviously willing to pay. What are you waiting for? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 01:17:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA86GQ006295; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:13:45 -0800 Subject: another Bay Area Looper story From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so, here's a little cyclical story: after meeting @ Y2K-something-i got her cd and really enjoyed cello and loops-the sound is just so...sonorous... anyway i picked up joan jeanrenauds cd(she from Kronos Quartet) here in the bay area...i emailed her to ask how she did her looping on her cd and she said she was using the that really didnt satisfy her because you could only add loops or layers-so long story yada yada yada... i turned her onto -a coupla days later she bought an and she became happy and uses it for all her live shows and then this story in the sunday paper today-well, it s all good to have such a prolific artist of her stature actually talking about it, even just a little bit-right here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/07/PKG439 K7IR1.DTL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 04:15:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA89DLF26140; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 04:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 04:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107170113.06e91fb0@loopers-delight.com> References: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041107170113.06e91fb0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <13F39721-3166-11D9-A883-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:10:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-ovWZC.A.-OG.egzjBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: >> My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. >> But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:15, Kim Flint wrote: > I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for > experienced Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials and > teach looping. People are obviously willing to pay. What are you > waiting for? Here are some mp3's from last year with added "loopist notes". However, I published it more for the purpose of teaching group improvisation with looping devices than as an actual EDP tutorial: http://www.looproom.com/looptour2003/edu.php Again, Andre LaFosse's web site is the best "EDP tuturial" I've seen so far (and I have not seen much... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 04:56:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA89siF32203; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 04:54:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 04:54:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:56:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <13F39721-3166-11D9-A883-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: * Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Added those to: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi?HowToCollection Thank you Per > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Montag, 8. November 2004 10:11 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP manual > > > > At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > >> My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. > >> But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. > > On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:15, Kim Flint wrote: > > I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for > > experienced Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials and > > teach looping. People are obviously willing to pay. What are you > > waiting for? > > Here are some mp3's from last year with added "loopist notes". However, > I published it more for the purpose of teaching group improvisation > with looping devices than as an actual EDP tutorial: > http://www.looproom.com/looptour2003/edu.php > > Again, Andre LaFosse's web site is the best "EDP tuturial" I've seen so > far (and I have not seen much... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 05:37:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8AaMG04624; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:36:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:07:11 +0100 Subject: Line 6 Echo Park From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: bjdpX-ZZgebqKDUYTB-dipC0Nol1dUryoaEud4FgcyxJY3xdfBTkol X-TOI-MSGID: 454b8a0d-d963-4439-98b1-8e88ba1d771e Resent-Message-ID: <1WIzfC.A.mEB.-u0jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, hi all, since you asked, here are my opinions on the Tone Core Echo Park pedal. I sent it back today for a refund because I wasn't to crazy about it, but that doesn't mean it can't be useful for other folks. I had been looking forward to it because it has the potential to cover any delay-needs besides actual looping. In short: Pros: fine delay sounds (tape, digi), good features, I liked slapback, reverse and ducking (to an extent). I never use delay time tapping so I can't comment on that, worked fine tho and can be a plus if you want it. Cons: very heavey housing (ever thought about how much weight we are carrying around in stompbox cans only?!?), flimsy pots, slightly confusing switch (for on/off AND tap) which was so new it didn't work at first, non true-bypass, some iffy delay models that don't cut it, really eats batteries (well, the all do). Main thing: the unit has a modulation control and does react to manipulations of delay time, but the results just didn't inspire me - a little too exaggerated and not subtle. In fact, after playing around with this thing I got real homesick for my long gone Korg Stage Echo tape delay - now that thing is heavey for a reason! Maybe that'll come back in a time warp loop? Greetings, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 06:16:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8BFsD08701; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:15:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:15:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411081115.iA8BF7a08398@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "Woz" To: Subject: RE: recording tips Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:14:55 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C4C5E0.612FDF50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTE6TZCjBt0IDBtR1OUvA/mkBtVSQAmuzsg In-Reply-To: <3BE37506-30DC-11D9-8BB3-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-e50bC.A.gDC.8U1jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C4C5E0.612FDF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanx a many _____ From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tips tapeop.com has an excellent forum. On Sunday, November 7, 2004, at 09:13 AM, Woz wrote: Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated. Thanx Woz ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C4C5E0.612FDF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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tapeop.com has = an excellent forum.



On Sunday, November 7, 2004, at 09:13 AM, Woz = wrote:

Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to loopers delight = that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer to peer advice. Any = clues would be appreciated.

Thanx

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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C4C5E0.612FDF50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 08:13:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8DBwt22881; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: another Bay Area Looper story Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:13:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for sharing this, Stan! It's good to have documented how this crowd helps also the "big guys"! These articles should be collected somewhere ... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Montag, 8. November 2004 07:14 > To: Loop Folk > Subject: another Bay Area Looper story > > > so, here's a little cyclical story: > after meeting @ Y2K-something-i got her cd and really enjoyed > cello and loops-the sound is just so...sonorous... > anyway i picked up joan jeanrenauds cd(she from Kronos Quartet) > here in the > bay area...i emailed her to ask how she did her looping on her cd and she > said she was using the that really didnt satisfy her > because you could only add loops or layers-so long story yada yada yada... > i turned her onto -a coupla days later she bought an > and she became happy and uses it for all her live > shows and then > this story in the sunday paper today-well, it s all good to have such a > prolific artist of her stature actually talking about it, even > just a little > bit-right here: > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/11 /07/PKG439 K7IR1.DTL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 08:55:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8Drpw27696; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:53:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:53:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? Thread-Index: AcTD8Nr+og1lSGSrTbGSEECkS6zVhgBq9IbA From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iA8Dr2a27512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had the same problem with Musicians Friend recently. They sent me one that started doing the title screen loop over and over again. Then I returned it and they sent me a footcontroller instead of the echoplex, I'm still waiting to get my new one, I made sure to write down the Serial Number on the defective one, to let others know on the list which one was defective. I found it interesting that yours was fine for about 30 days, this is about what happend to mine. -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Defective blackface gibsons being sold? Hi Gang, There is a guy selling a blackface gibson EDP who claims the ones being sold at musicians friend are defective leftovers, and i want to know because i just bought one! here is what he claims: Apparently, according to the music store in Boston I bought it from, There was a problem with the first run of the black faced ones. The store owner told me to order one directly from gibson, not a place like musicians friend, because the factory direct ones were brand new, not left over from the first production. That is all I know. I'm selling this unit because I could use the money more than the looper right now. Hope this helps and thanks for the email. Please let me know!! thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 09:54:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8ErPh05295; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c4c5a3$4e78d7a0$1bd8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Subject: Re: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:57:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.216.27] at Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:52:23 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TJ's observations are right-on from my experience. A DVD would be the ultimate tutorial guide. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: EDP manual > My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. > > Most units for sale on eBay are accompanied by some kind of comment by the seller that they didn't have the time to learn how to use it, or that it was too complicated. If there was some kind of tutorial to help people get beyond the record and overdub buttons, I think more people would hang onto their units, thus forcing eBay buyers to buy new ones. Which in my opinion would have a positive effect on user satisfaction and sales considerably. > > Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 like-minded people. A tutorial for the rest of us would get (or perhaps keep) the EDP into the hands of people who play the fun stuff for bigger crowds. > > Just my $.02. > > tj > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 10:04:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8F2o507366; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:02:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:02:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c4c5a4$9cc3c2c0$1bd8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <7920764.1099871654224.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041107170113.06e91fb0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:07:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.216.27] at Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:01:44 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <9H_MED.A.HvB.dp4jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim - You're right. After many years using the EDP, I'd still pay to take EDP tutorial lessons from someone who I felt was a good teacher. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Re: EDP manual > At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > >My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. But it > >would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. > > I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for experienced > Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials and teach looping. > People are obviously willing to pay. What are you waiting for? > > It has nothing to do with the Echoplex, that just happens to be a looping > device that offers a more complete range of looping functions than other > loopers. People want someone to teach them looping, not Echoplex. People > who think they want someone to teach them Echoplex really need someone to > teach them Looping. About the only person who seems to have gotten this is > Andre LaFosse. > > Piano makers don't teach piano. Guitar makers don't teach guitar. Tuba > makers don't teach tuba. I'm sure they would like to, but it is hard enough > to stay on top of making the damned things. There is a whole educational > industry devoted to teaching these instruments anyway. Why not looping? Get > off your ass and go do it. > > >Right now it seems that the EDP is primarily a tool for the very > >intelligent esoteric musicians, who play to "crowds" of 10 to 15 > >like-minded people. > > Are you saying people who play to bigger crowds are not very intelligent? > > couldn't resist. :-) > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 10:33:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8FVPT10970; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:31:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:31:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411081529.iA8FTha10631@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:30:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTFeUkFnqESVbakSiWQxlsLKTg7BgAKrE6Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I hope no one thought that I was diminishing the contributions of all the other loopers who add to the sum total of that which we commonly refer to as Looping including the non EDP loopers who contribute to the looping genre (if such a thing actually exists) There is no true cookie cutter approach that will make anyone a direct clone of anyone else or an instant looper I also believe that most of us involved prefer to be unique and present our own vision of what looping music is. I might have made multiple suggestions about using Andre's page as a tutorial and that would be because it is likely one of the oldest tutorial like resources that I know of. I also don't see looping as Andre, Andre and Andre regardless of how many times I might have recommended his anaysis page. I have aquired many ideas and thoughts on the howto of looping from all here who have contributed to the art of looping and there are many approaches. Beyond that there are many musical styles that contributed to the looping genre. Some here have a sampling approach many use a self accompaniment approach and others have yet another approach listing them all would be impossible. So, perhaps Bernard will actually end up being the individual who creates the multiple source multiple approach tutorial. Still I suppose it might be useful if there was a true tutorial for the EDP the device does require an investment in ones own time but, I found that even after one day of ownership I could do quite a bit just by a hit and miss / trial and error approach. It was sometime after that I dug into the manual and signed up for the list to start expanding on my usage of the EDP. So, to the many contributors to the Art Of Looping I take my hat off and say let us continue to promote and expand the musical form so many of us love and lets face it everytime someone purchases a looping device expect that someone might complain about wanting a tutorial (It's almost inevitable) ;D -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP manual Added those to: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi?HowToCollection Thank you Per > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Montag, 8. November 2004 10:11 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP manual > > > > At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > >> My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. > >> But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. > > On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:15, Kim Flint wrote: > > I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for > > experienced Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials > > and teach looping. People are obviously willing to pay. What are you > > waiting for? > > Here are some mp3's from last year with added "loopist notes". > However, I published it more for the purpose of teaching group > improvisation with looping devices than as an actual EDP tutorial: > http://www.looproom.com/looptour2003/edu.php > > Again, Andre LaFosse's web site is the best "EDP tuturial" I've seen > so far (and I have not seen much... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 10:35:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8FXfx11603; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107203602.047aba48@loopers-delight.com> References: <41868990.9070209@sun.com> <15B8FDDA-2C3C-11D9-B7EB-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041107203602.047aba48@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <188A4E6A-319B-11D9-A83F-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:30:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Aside from the part about "what girls like", I would say learning > looping is quite similar, not different. You are also learning about > music, culture, a process for creating, techniques on an instrument, > the stylistic vocabulary of that instrument. It's much more than a > bunch of buttons on some box. A looper is an instrument that takes a > lot of learning and practice to become skilled, and the manual that > came with the looper isn't going to teach you most of that. It just > tells you what the functions and buttons do and where to connect the > cables. I disagree about the culture thing. Did you know that BMI was created, among other reasons, after ASCAP refused to give African American artists the same mechanical royalty as white Tin Pan Alley artists? The History of American Popular Music not the History of Looping. Learning the guitar, at least how I teach it, is part of culture. You can totally disregard this kind of information when doing looping. For that matter you can leave it out teaching guitar but I don't. By the way this was a college course I taught, I don't teach any cultural info privately unless I'm teaching to a Republican Fascist Armageddon Head and they usually have one lesson and they're gone. Fuckerz. Now there is an aspect of culture that's built in to looping and that's creation. We did see a guy loop a Paul Simon song at Y2K4, while very nice and imbued with the cultural aspects of Africa, is not exactly what I had in mind. But I would think you come pre programmed with this information before you get an EDP. > > So far as I can tell though, looping is not a very good way to meet > girls. Well, I'd say that looping and classical music would introduce you to the kind of girl you'd wanna marry. > >> Happens to involve technology now and manuals that don't, maybe, go >> about being tutorial like and that are using an organizational >> principal based on jargon, are somewhat hard for me. > > Is jargon avoidable? I don't see how. At some point you have to give > names to concepts and ideas and functions. Overtime I think it just > becomes necessary or the communication is too cumbersome for those who > talk about it all the time. The names develop naturally. When somebody > new comes into it, part of learning the subject is learning the terms > that go with it. That is also true for classical guitar as much as it > is for looping or anything else. In the beginning with any new > subject, it is always confusing while you figure out what all the new > words mean. I can't think of any new piece of jargon that has entered the general classical guitar for years. Really. This is why it kind of sucks being in a fixed bug in amber kind of discipline. I have created new jargon like headstock pitch and backtones but that's just me. Not generally used. By the way, I plugged a really tweaked processor and continuous control pedals to the EDP and I've got something I can live with in looping. I can subject a loop to a long envelope of process and it's like rolling the dice. I have been morphing loops into things that are unrecognizable from the original. Coop Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 11:13:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8GCu517855; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:12:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:13:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200411081529.iA8FTha10631@hemlock.violacea.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: * Resent-Message-ID: <3wQJ5D.A.hSE.8p5jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, if I state more precisely: The idea of this cookbook actually is not "Bernhard being the individual who creates ..." But rather: If anyone finds an answer to his/her question about the EDP in the Loopers-Delight mailing list archive that this person takes the time to add the question and a link to the post in the LD archives that answered it. Since my abilities to write proper English seem exhausted for today, please read this: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi?AboutEdpCookbook explaining the idea somewhat clearer (and if you disagree about the clarity, go ahead, click EDIT, and make it clearer!) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] > Sent: Montag, 8. November 2004 16:30 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP manual > > > Well I hope no one thought that I was diminishing the contributions of all > the other loopers who add to the sum total of that which we commonly refer > to as Looping including the non EDP loopers who contribute to the looping > genre (if such a thing actually exists) There is no true cookie cutter > approach that will make anyone a direct clone of anyone else or an instant > looper I also believe that most of us involved prefer to be unique and > present our own vision of what looping music is. I might have > made multiple > suggestions about using Andre's page as a tutorial and that would > be because > it is likely one of the oldest tutorial like resources that I know of. I > also don't see looping as Andre, Andre and Andre regardless of how many > times I might have recommended his anaysis page. I have aquired many ideas > and thoughts on the howto of looping from all here who have contributed to > the art of looping and there are many approaches. Beyond that > there are many > musical styles that contributed to the looping genre. Some here have a > sampling approach many use a self accompaniment approach and > others have yet > another approach listing them all would be impossible. So, perhaps Bernard > will actually end up being the individual who creates the multiple source > multiple approach tutorial. Still I suppose it might be useful if > there was > a true tutorial for the EDP the device does require an investment in ones > own time but, I found that even after one day of ownership I > could do quite > a bit just by a hit and miss / trial and error approach. It was sometime > after that I dug into the manual and signed up for the list to start > expanding on my usage of the EDP. > > So, to the many contributors to the Art Of Looping I take my hat > off and say > let us continue to promote and expand the musical form so many of us love > and lets face it everytime someone purchases a looping device expect that > someone might complain about wanting a tutorial (It's almost > inevitable) ;D > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP manual > > Added those to: > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi?HowToCollection > > Thank you > Per > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > Sent: Montag, 8. November 2004 10:11 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: EDP manual > > > > > > > At 03:54 PM 11/7/2004, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > > >> My two cents regarding the EDP manual. It's great for what it does. > > >> But it would be awfully nice to have some sort of a tutorial. > > > > On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:15, Kim Flint wrote: > > > I've long said that there is a great opportunity out there for > > > experienced Loopers to offer teaching services or create tutorials > > > and teach looping. People are obviously willing to pay. What are you > > > waiting for? > > > > Here are some mp3's from last year with added "loopist notes". > > However, I published it more for the purpose of teaching group > > improvisation with looping devices than as an actual EDP tutorial: > > http://www.looproom.com/looptour2003/edu.php > > > > Again, Andre LaFosse's web site is the best "EDP tuturial" I've seen > > so far (and I have not seen much... ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 15:31:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8KV4P20504; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:31:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:31:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041108202942.75813.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: LD Mail problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, I am having problems getting the LD mails, i can send but not receive,this has happened in the past and i solved the problem by subscribing again but now thats not working either.Any ideas? thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 15:48:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8KlS823233; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:47:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411082045.iA8KjTa22752@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: LD Mail problem Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041108202942.75813.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTF0tpUQL10raWzTeeIJmYl4fFM0AAANP/g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7XclvC.A.xjF.pr9jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It might very well be that Yahoo if that's who you were using has turned off email relaying have you tried sending via webmail from the same account yet? (if available) -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD Mail problem Hi loopers, I am having problems getting the LD mails, i can send but not receive,this has happened in the past and i solved the problem by subscribing again but now thats not working either.Any ideas? thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 15:51:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8KpPk24178; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <20041108202942.75813.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041108202942.75813.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "L. Angulo" From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: LD Mail problem Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:49:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey man, This message came through loud and clear... I would suggest looking into either bot settings or into your junk email filters, too. Lee On Nov 8, 2004, at 3:29 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi loopers, > I am having problems getting the LD mails, i can send > but not receive,this has happened in the past and i > solved the problem by subscribing again but now thats > not working either.Any ideas? > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci." - Faustus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 16:02:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8L1Ol25758; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041108210027.85221.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: LD Mail problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-OB8CD.A.cPG.x59jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanx man now i am getting them i turned off the spam filter(reluctantly) cheers Luis --- "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." wrote: > Hey man, > > This message came through loud and clear... I > would suggest looking > into either bot settings or into your junk email > filters, too. > > > Lee > > > On Nov 8, 2004, at 3:29 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi loopers, > > I am having problems getting the LD mails, i can > send > > but not receive,this has happened in the past and > i > > solved the problem by subscribing again but now > thats > > not working either.Any ideas? > > thanx > > Luis > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci." > - Faustus > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 16:04:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8L3gZ27014; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041108210251.34391.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:02:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: LD Mail problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411082045.iA8KjTa22752@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanx Alan now i am getting them i donīt understand why this happens periodically and i am not sure turning the spam filter is such a good idea because i get a lot of junk... Luis --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > It might very well be that Yahoo if that's who you > were using has turned off > email relaying have you tried sending via webmail > from the same account yet? > (if available) > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: LD Mail problem > > Hi loopers, > I am having problems getting the LD mails, i can > send but not receive,this > has happened in the past and i solved the problem by > subscribing again but > now thats not working either.Any ideas? > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 16:05:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8L3m727024; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411082102.iA8L2ca26271@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTFrdu/+MnnI3vGSFa52IHrrvu5ygAJNJQg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <22j_R.A.xaG.u79jBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks just fine to me nothing wrong in the work you have done and just in case you wondered the commentary about cookie cutter/cookbook was not directed at you at all just the idea that there is really any such thing akin to a full EDP method book. Listening to your very nice recordings I can tell that you too have an investment of time and effort involving learning to use the EDP. I think it is helpful if one has some solid musical ideas outside of and beyond music made purely by the usage of a looping tool and I suspect most here (if not all) have that quality. This attribute in itself may limit who actually ever gets involved in looping with any degree of accomplishment. Someday cookie cutter players/performers may very well be imitating some or all portions of what is currently being done at the moment with looping devices. Learning by imitation is a useful and helpful tool but, the device requires a mindset that removes one from just imitating others interpreting might work but copying/replicating others won't serve all that well. Next time I will to remember to point out you site as it points to addional resources that are availble or if I think of something new I will add it to your site. Later on :) Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP manual Sorry, if I state more precisely: The idea of this cookbook actually is not "Bernhard being the individual who creates ..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 16:26:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8LPwR29806; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041108212515.4702.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: EDP manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411081529.iA8FTha10631@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > ...the looping genre (if such a thing actually exists) Wow, I just sensed Kim's fur bristling, and I'm 3,000 miles to the east! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 17:32:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8MVfr07898; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411082230.iA8MUfa07667@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:31:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041108212515.4702.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTF2mMjyL5luRk3SxCLjOQYuMtQCQABtN7A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wow, I just sensed Kim's fur bristling, and I'm 3,000 miles to the east! Maybe he is I been here to yelled at before by Kim ;D Well let see we have Bluesy loopers, Jazzy Loopers, Rock Loopers, Modern Composer Loopers, Electro Loopers, Sampling Loopers, Looper Loopers, etc... while this may makes sense to us I suspect some portion of the available listening audience would just shake there head in disbelief that we consider ourselves to be doing the same thing. We do though loop in one form or the other so, blast away if you didn't like what I said I'm listening and ain't running away from Kim even if I can't find a defense for my posting. ;D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 18:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA8NRpH16116; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:27:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041108212515.4702.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041108212515.4702.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7822531C-31D6-11D9-B257-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: BOSS RC20XL - 11 problem Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:35:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whilst I am delighted that the Phrase Select dial goes all the way to eleven, in true Spinal Tap style... does anyone know why it doesn't - as with one to ten - actually SAVE a phrase I record at that location faulty box, or faulty brain, any ideas? Best Piers -- ================================================================== Piers Gibbon ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 19:30:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA90SMM23799; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:28:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:26:42 EST Subject: Re: BOSS RC20XL - 11 problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/8/04 3:27:46 PM, piers@piersgibbon.com writes: << does anyone know why it doesn't - as with one to ten - actually SAVE a phrase I record at that location >> It should still write to permanent memory in that 11 slot. On the old RC20 that is the one shot so it only plays thru once when you hit the pedal. Maybe you have maxed out the memory of the unit? BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 8 20:32:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA91ULQ32233; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:30:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:30:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041109012925.92249.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: EDP manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411082230.iA8MUfa07667@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Well let see we have Bluesy loopers, Jazzy Loopers, > Rock Loopers, Modern > Composer Loopers, Electro Loopers, Sampling Loopers, > Looper Loopers, etc... > while this may makes sense to us I suspect some > portion of the available > listening audience would just shake there head in > disbelief that we consider > ourselves to be doing the same thing. To recap a discussion we've had several times before, I'll use an analogy: Andres Segovia, Jimi Hendrix, Django Reinhardt, Nick Drake, Johnny Ramone, Kurt Cobain, Jerry Garcia, Charlie Christian, Shawn Lane, Hank Williams, Michael Hedges, George Harrison... All of them played guitars. On an internet mailing list devoted to discussions of guitars, guitarists and guitar playing, it would be perfectly appropriate to discuss any of them, their instruments, their amps, effects, strings, picks, how missing fingers affected one's playing style, their respective influence on musicians and the general public, and so forth. In a very general sense, they were all "doing the same thing", but there's no way we can even remotely consider their music as a genre, subject to the same stylistic definitions. There's overlap between them, sure, but their contributions and musical styles were far from identical. It's the same way with looping. Yes, most of us on the list loop, and there's a whole lot that we have in common and can discuss, no matter what style of music we play or what make and model of looping device we use. But it's not a genre. There's no such thing as "looping music" as a definite style. It's like saying writing is the same as typing. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 00:06:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA954e323710; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Your Feedback on Two Versions of the Same Composition Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: <007c01c4c619$65e0cd50$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I'm looking for some feedback on two versions of the same composition. This is a score written for a quartet, with somewhat of a 20th Century classical feel. The first version, "Cantor's Madhouse," was composed using Finale 2001, a standard laptop soundcard, and with violin (pizzicato), string bass, and vibes as the instrumentation. The second version, "Cantor's Madhouse (version 2)," is the Finale 2001 score converted to Finale 2005, using Finale's Sound Fonts, and with violin (pizzicato only on three short phrase), piano, and cello as the instrumentation. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm (both versions of the song are in the list) Let me know what you like best. This could help me decide what goes on my new CD! Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 06:01:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9Axwh02293; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:58:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTF++kDTTgmW2xzQWKbGd3bdrMeMAATvnKQ In-Reply-To: <20041109012925.92249.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1099998045.27216@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it was Count Basie that said: "There is only two types of music - good music and bad music." DM http://www.gearasaurus.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP manual --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Well let see we have Bluesy loopers, Jazzy Loopers, > Rock Loopers, Modern > Composer Loopers, Electro Loopers, Sampling Loopers, > Looper Loopers, etc... > while this may makes sense to us I suspect some > portion of the available > listening audience would just shake there head in > disbelief that we consider > ourselves to be doing the same thing. To recap a discussion we've had several times before, I'll use an analogy: Andres Segovia, Jimi Hendrix, Django Reinhardt, Nick Drake, Johnny Ramone, Kurt Cobain, Jerry Garcia, Charlie Christian, Shawn Lane, Hank Williams, Michael Hedges, George Harrison... All of them played guitars. On an internet mailing list devoted to discussions of guitars, guitarists and guitar playing, it would be perfectly appropriate to discuss any of them, their instruments, their amps, effects, strings, picks, how missing fingers affected one's playing style, their respective influence on musicians and the general public, and so forth. In a very general sense, they were all "doing the same thing", but there's no way we can even remotely consider their music as a genre, subject to the same stylistic definitions. There's overlap between them, sure, but their contributions and musical styles were far from identical. It's the same way with looping. Yes, most of us on the list loop, and there's a whole lot that we have in common and can discuss, no matter what style of music we play or what make and model of looping device we use. But it's not a genre. There's no such thing as "looping music" as a definite style. It's like saying writing is the same as typing. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 06:13:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9BCgJ04177; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1099998045.27216@mx64a.mysite4now.com> References: <1099998045.27216@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1019C069-3240-11D9-9966-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP manual Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:11:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 9, 2004, at 11:58, Don Makoviney wrote: > I think it was Count Basie that said: > "There is only two types of music - good music and bad music." Igor Stravinkij also said so. I guess (or hope) they both regretted saying that ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 07:32:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9CV8115945; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:31:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:31:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Song transport? 1GB Flash USB 2.0 Flash Drive $40 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:30:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTGTVL4kFG3aYA7Q6GRvj+wB75PPAACkiKA In-Reply-To: <1019C069-3240-11D9-9966-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Message-ID: <1100003582.18738@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quicker than burning to a CD Dell Home has the Lexar 1GB JumpDrive Sport USB Drive for $61 - $20Mail In Rebate = $41 w/ free shipping. http://url123.com/zsxsz This is cheap! The lowest I could find on PriceGrabber is $60 after rebate. Here's the rebate: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/rebates/A0366406_4.pdf Sorry if this seems off-topic, but I think this is great for transporting songs around that I recorded. DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 09:28:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9EPx330458; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:25:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:25:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411091424.iA9EOZa30174@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP manual Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:25:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTGTQTjgc/0BqEkRMWv0pHsgVczDQAGiCpA In-Reply-To: <1019C069-3240-11D9-9966-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It must be that everybody is too nice here that is currently on the list it wasn't too long ago when one mistatement could cause a whole host of rebuttals and look Kim didn't bother to step in ;D So, then how could we all contribute to Bernards web resource should we have a template to base a methodology on? Who should contribute? Who shouldn't? and why or why not? Thoughts.... PS: I love the music of Stravinsky (all of it not just the ballets) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP manual On Nov 9, 2004, at 11:58, Don Makoviney wrote: > I think it was Count Basie that said: > "There is only two types of music - good music and bad music." Igor Stravinkij also said so. I guess (or hope) they both regretted saying that ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 10:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9FRLH06462; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:27:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:27:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <17479664.1100013933341.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:25:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: backtones... a useful term Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I have created new jargon like headstock pitch and backtones but that's just me. Not generally used." Larry, you'll be bored to know that *I* use your term "backtones"...ever since it showed up in your long-ago guest lesson in Guitar Player magazine. The term seemed so natural that I assumed it preceded you :-) I use the technique in performance and I call it "backtones." "Headstock pitch?" What is that, like the Belew behind-the-nut strum? Or does it refer to the cool chords that certain guitars make when you strum behind the nut? (Different headstock designs of course create different "chords," some more useful than others.) Yours in Hans Reichel, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/mungenast -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman Sent: Nov 8, 2004 10:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual > Aside from the part about "what girls like", I would say learning > looping is quite similar, not different. You are also learning about > music, culture, a process for creating, techniques on an instrument, > the stylistic vocabulary of that instrument. It's much more than a > bunch of buttons on some box. A looper is an instrument that takes a > lot of learning and practice to become skilled, and the manual that > came with the looper isn't going to teach you most of that. It just > tells you what the functions and buttons do and where to connect the > cables. I disagree about the culture thing. Did you know that BMI was created, among other reasons, after ASCAP refused to give African American artists the same mechanical royalty as white Tin Pan Alley artists? The History of American Popular Music not the History of Looping. Learning the guitar, at least how I teach it, is part of culture. You can totally disregard this kind of information when doing looping. For that matter you can leave it out teaching guitar but I don't. By the way this was a college course I taught, I don't teach any cultural info privately unless I'm teaching to a Republican Fascist Armageddon Head and they usually have one lesson and they're gone. Fuckerz. Now there is an aspect of culture that's built in to looping and that's creation. We did see a guy loop a Paul Simon song at Y2K4, while very nice and imbued with the cultural aspects of Africa, is not exactly what I had in mind. But I would think you come pre programmed with this information before you get an EDP. > > So far as I can tell though, looping is not a very good way to meet > girls. Well, I'd say that looping and classical music would introduce you to the kind of girl you'd wanna marry. > >> Happens to involve technology now and manuals that don't, maybe, go >> about being tutorial like and that are using an organizational >> principal based on jargon, are somewhat hard for me. > > Is jargon avoidable? I don't see how. At some point you have to give > names to concepts and ideas and functions. Overtime I think it just > becomes necessary or the communication is too cumbersome for those who > talk about it all the time. The names develop naturally. When somebody > new comes into it, part of learning the subject is learning the terms > that go with it. That is also true for classical guitar as much as it > is for looping or anything else. In the beginning with any new > subject, it is always confusing while you figure out what all the new > words mean. I can't think of any new piece of jargon that has entered the general classical guitar for years. Really. This is why it kind of sucks being in a fixed bug in amber kind of discipline. I have created new jargon like headstock pitch and backtones but that's just me. Not generally used. By the way, I plugged a really tweaked processor and continuous control pedals to the EDP and I've got something I can live with in looping. I can subject a loop to a long envelope of process and it's like rolling the dice. I have been morphing loops into things that are unrecognizable from the original. Coop Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 11:10:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9G8Ws12411; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:08:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:08:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: a small sampler? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:05:08 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:59:25 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.127.164 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can anyone recommend a _small_ sampler? I want to use my midified guitar on stage, e.g. to play organ or mellotron samples, but using my notebook and vst instruments has a little bit too much latency, and too many cables and potential problems, so I'd prefer a simple box ... but as I usually don't carry racks around, just some stomp boxes it would be great to have a really _small_ sampler box, without recording functionality ... a sample playback box would be sufficient - the ideal thing would be a tiny box that would play vst instruments. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 11:25:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9GOHr15868; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:24:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:24:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1a3b028f.2ec248f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:23:16 EST Subject: Re: a small sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9pmrIC.A.twD.C8OkBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/9/04 8:07:33 AM, mp@mpeters.de writes: << can anyone recommend a _small_ sampler? >> Hi I think the Boss SP303 is the smallest box I've seen. Has 44.1k sound and expandable memory but does not play vst instruments as far as I know. I've never used one but from people I've talked to who have used it there is a 50-50 split between those who like it and those that don't. I suppose it depends on what the users needs are. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 11:27:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9GQnF16886; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: a small sampler? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:25:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 9, 2004, at 17:05, Michael Peters wrote: > can anyone recommend a _small_ sampler? 8< 8< 8< 8< ... a sample > playback > box would be sufficient - the ideal thing would be a tiny box that > would > play vst instruments. Oh, "a hardware box that plays VST instruments" is actually available, but they are incredibly expensive! A second hand sampler can be found for a very fair price. The Emu sampler is known to be good, but it's not particularly small. I have an analog synth that I actually like better then a sampler for midi guitar playing. It's an Oberheim Matrix 1000, to be found second hand for a good price (a Nord MicroModular is even smaller, and cool sounding to my tastes. Here's looking for one...). The oberheim has six voices and can be set to use six midi channels, one for each string. But you can of course set up a sampler program with six mono mode voices as well. I still regret selling off my old Roland S-330 sampler that I was using with my midi guitar. It sampled only in 12 bits but this made it very nice to blend behind the direct guitar string sound - not too deep bass and not to prominent treble. And it enabled me to set up sample patches with loops running first in one direction and then returning backwards, playing back the same sample in reverse. This guaranteed some very "alive" pad sounds, that my more expensive 16 bit Akai S-1000 sampler could not provide. I think the Emu can also play samples by alternating direction, but If this is important to you pleas check it out for sure. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 11:36:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9GXW919172; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:33:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:33:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.507270fd.2ec24b11@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:32:17 EST Subject: Re: a small sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.507270fd.2ec24b11_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12e.507270fd.2ec24b11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy! In a message dated 11/09/04 8:23:56, Aptrev@aol.com writes: > I think the Boss SP303 is the smallest box I've seen. Has 44.1k sound and > expandable memory but does not play vst instruments as far as I know. > I've never used one but from people I've talked to who have used it there=20= is > a 50-50 split between those who like it and those that don't. I suppose it > depends on what the users needs are. >=20 If what you want to play is "organ" tones the SP303 is NOT for you. I own one and love it (mostly). But it isn't that sort of sampler. It's more=20 "groove" oriented. Think of a drum machine that you can load your own sounds in (and canned loops too, mind you) and you've got the pictuure. There is=20 none of the usual Attack/Sustain/Decay control for samples on this unit at=20 all. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_12e.507270fd.2ec24b11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy!

In a message dated 11/09/04 8:23:56, Aptrev@aol.com writes:

I think the Boss SP30= 3 is the smallest box I've seen. Has 44.1k sound and
expandable memory but does not play vst instruments as far as I know.
I've never used one but from people I've talked to who have used it there is=
a 50-50 split between those who like it and those that don't. I suppose it depends on what the users needs are.

If what you want to play is "organ" tones the SP303 is NOT for you. I own
one and love it (mostly). But it isn't that sort of sampler. It's more "groo= ve"
oriented. Think of a drum machine that you can load your own sounds in
(and canned loops too, mind you) and you've got the pictuure. There is
none of the usual Attack/Sustain/Decay control for samples on this unit at a= ll.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_12e.507270fd.2ec24b11_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 14:17:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9JHB510967; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:17:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041109191534.8721.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Primeros Ciclos CD release finally up and thank u all! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17479664.1100013933341.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, well there it is: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/luisangulo I had a friend do the description and i could not resist adding the great quotation from the live looping page.Its just perfect! I want to thank all of you once again dearly who order the CD for your support and kindness. Loop on! Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 14:18:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9JHA310902; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c4c690$869c7f90$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: References: <200411091529.iA9FTFH06705@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: gig/exhibition spam Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:15:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, Slightly off topic I'm afraid, but I am having an exhibition of my sculpture work here in Oslo in the next 2 weeks. I make weird little boxes filled with er... stuff! ...AND slightly ON-topic, I will be performing a laptop piece as a soundtrack to the exhibition at the opening party, which will be recorded and played fro the duration of the exhibition. The piece involves fragmented voices, prayers and adverts. Theramin, a field recording I made in Gustav Veiglands mausoleum and yes... looping! I dont think there are (m)any loopers here in Oslo, but if there is.. do come! It being an Art opening there will be FREE WINE!! More details and photos on my website, and below! Thanks. mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com --------------------------- You are cordially invited to the opening night of Mark Francombe's solo exhibition "Icons of Kipple" at Nordic Art Info Thursday 11 November 6-9 PM Opening hours are: Thursday 11 Nov 6-9 PM Friday 12-Sunday 14 Nov 12-5 PM Thursday 18-Sunday 21 Nov 12-5 PM Please review our web catalogue at www.nordicart.info Welcome! Nordic Art Info Brugt. 3 c, 4th floor, N-0186 Oslo, Norway Cell ph: (+47) 472 35 186. Fax: (+47) 22 38 02 88 E-mail: gallery@nordicart.info www.nordicart.info ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 3641 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 14:43:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9JgNA16153; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:42:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:42:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <191.31f2f98f.2ec27774@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:41:40 EST Subject: joseph arthur To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_191.31f2f98f.2ec27774_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <5yfkbC.A.Z6D.H2RkBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_191.31f2f98f.2ec27774_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit at work on saturday i waited on michael mills of r.e.m. (monster tipper by the way:).....we talked a little of looping and he invited me to their sunday nite gig here in da burg.....he said the opening act was a solo dude named joseph arthur and that he was a looping singer songwriter.....i tried to see what joseph was using but alas, the stage was too far away to get a look.....his looping was pretty straight ahead, percussion from slapping on his guitar, looped vocals, playing over changes etc.....nice to see and hear.....what was amazing though was the audiences reaction to his looping, THEY LOVED IT, i think there was more applause for his LOOPING rather than to his songs.....his sound was a bit muddy and at times he lost control of his volume but it was LOOPING none the less.....R.E.M. was fun, a hard working band and mr. mills was a very nice and generous fellow.....it was weird watching a "BAND" seeing that 95% of the shows i see are solo loopers who may jam with other loopers.....anyhow, it took the promise of looping to get me out of my studio and i'm glad i went.....wow, loopin in the big room, what a concept!.....michael --part1_191.31f2f98f.2ec27774_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable at work on saturday=20= i waited on michael mills of r.e.m.  (monster tipper by the way:).....= we talked a little of looping and he invited me to their sunday nite gig her= e in da burg.....he said the opening act was a solo dude named joseph arthur= and that he was a looping singer songwriter.....i tried to see what joseph=20= was using but alas, the stage was too far away to get a look.....his looping= was pretty straight ahead, percussion from slapping on his guitar, looped v= ocals, playing over changes etc.....nice to see and hear.....what was amazin= g though was the audiences reaction to his looping, THEY LOVED IT, i think t= here was more applause for his LOOPING rather than to his songs.....his soun= d was a bit muddy and at times he lost control of his volume but it was LOOP= ING none the less.....R.E.M. was fun, a hard working band and mr. mills was=20= a very nice and generous fellow.....it was weird watching a "BAND" seeing th= at 95% of the shows i see are solo loopers who may jam with other loopers...= ..anyhow, it took the promise of looping to get me out of my studio and i'm=20= glad i went.....wow, loopin in the big room, what a concept!.....michael= = --part1_191.31f2f98f.2ec27774_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 15:03:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA9K2Hg20243; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:02:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:02:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "mathieu" To: Subject: RE: joseph arthur Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:01:45 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <191.31f2f98f.2ec27774@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com last time i read something about joseph arthur, he was using a lexicon jamman, but maybe that has changed, that was like 2 years ago. mateo -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: 09 November 2004 19:42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: joseph arthur at work on saturday i waited on michael mills of r.e.m. (monster tipper by the way:).....we talked a little of looping and he invited me to their sunday nite gig here in da burg.....he said the opening act was a solo dude named joseph arthur and that he was a looping singer songwriter.....i tried to see what joseph was using but alas, the stage was too far away to get a look.....his looping was pretty straight ahead, percussion from slapping on his guitar, looped vocals, playing over changes etc.....nice to see and hear.....what was amazing though was the audiences reaction to his looping, THEY LOVED IT, i think there was more applause for his LOOPING rather than to his songs.....his sound was a bit muddy and at times he lost control of his volume but it was LOOPING none the less.....R.E.M. was fun, a hard working band and mr. mills was a very nice and generous fellow.....it was weird watching a "BAND" seeing that 95% of the shows i see are solo loopers who may jam with other loopers.....anyhow, it took the promise of looping to get me out of my studio and i'm glad i went.....wow, loopin in the big room, what a concept!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 19:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAA0PQa27796; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041109192844.007ef100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:28:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: a small sampler? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <57sQ2D.A.AvG.O_VkBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >can anyone recommend a _small_ sampler? I want to use my midified guitar on >stage, e.g. to play organ or mellotron samples... A friend uses the tiny Yamaha SU-10 sampler for static looping. IIRC it has only 4 voice polyphony and I'd guess MIDI-guitarists want 6. It IS small - about the size of a VHS tape. Maybe one of the Yamaha desktop samplers would work (SU200 or SU700). Does Zoom make one? If all you want are a few organ and mellotron sounds, look into used 1- or 1/2-space rack synth modules or a desktop GM SoundCanvas. I like the few organs and strings in my old Kurzweil Micro Piano 1/2-rack module. Friends like their EMU Vintage Keys or Roland or Korg modules of various vintages for organ and mellotron sounds. I use the free J.P. Hovercraft mellotron samples in my AKAI S3000 sampler (NOT a small box) and they work OK after tweaking and cross-fading. That's an OK stop-gap until I get better mellotron samples from Propellerheads and/or Mike Pinder ($$$). Have fun, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 20:06:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAA11Y401438; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NanoSampler Trip Hop Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.125.25.82] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5BkWg0AAySsQEAAAAB,d44f11c74274a48c73a7a66c8cb1bfb8 Message-Id: <20041110010036.EB9C137CEB@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought i should announce it here,since the factory sent me the first two NANOSAMPLERS for my final OK...

I'll start with the price ; U$S 347 + shipping...that's 27 by regular certified mail from Uruguay to USA,slightly more to Europe...(i payed 29 from here to UK)
I can accept Western Union,or a transfer to my bank account if tyou have an account yourself...

Sound quality is: 8 bit with companding,same quality of my other pedals ,which have been reviewed by BMORETELE and others in HC...minimum bandwidth is 10khz ...goes up with the time/pitch pot

Details:

three footswitches:
1-bypass
2-rec/play
3-hold/overdub

three pots:

1-time/pitch
2-blend
3-feedback

Four toggle switches:

1-reverse
2-lo-fi sound
3-double/half pitch/time
4-memory protect

max time is around one minute,loop is saved at power off...basic usage is as follows:

for recording:

1-check/bypass led must be "on"
2-the rec/play switch has an asociated bicolor led,it's green in play,and red in record...press the record footswitch once,it starts recording...press it again and what you recorded starts looping....if you want to overdub,sound on sound,press the overdub footswitch...

if you turn the pedal off by bypassing it,the loop starts playing from the beginning when you press bypass again...

For using it as a delay,you use the rec/play switch to tap the time,and the overdub footswitch must be in on mode...repeats are controlled by the feedback pot,and it self oscillates...

you can do smooth pitch shifts by turning the time/pitch pot...it also modifies the length of the loop or delay...

the lo fi switch provides a different kind of filtering,sounds really close to an analog delay...

the memory protect switch avoids recording or overdubing..

the reverse toggle switch makes your loop play backwards...if you record with the reverse engaged,it starts looping in reverse as soon as you go into play mode...overdub over a reversed loop plays forward,if you change the reverse switch position,then the direction is changed (overdubbed plays backwards,original plays forward)

I'm having a pfoto session tomorrow at the factory,an i'll update my page;also the turnaround time is now one week or less,the factory is really fast,and i can order small quantities from them (hey ! i'm the founder of that factory,it started 14 years ago,i left my part,but they are still my friends and allies now )


Thanks for reading this kind of SPAM
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 9 20:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAA1vTD08868; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:57:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:57:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: joseph arthur Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:54:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTGl02/+2ApKxMUSYKAQ8F9+QX8kQAAfKdg Message-ID: <1100051972.12351@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny, I was listening to Joseph Arthur when I just checked my email. And the dude I am working in the office with was asking me for a copy of the CD! Yes, he still uses a Jamman. In fact, he uses two now - one for vocals and one for his geetar. He just did a live in-studio on KEXP in Seattle and he talks abit about his looping and shows the DJ how it works by just putting in some crap and looping it and then adding layers and stuff. It is pretty sweet. He talks about how he just added a Jamman for his voice and how it added a whole new dimension and stuff. The live broadcast is archived here: http://url123.com/3cvgp -DM www.gearasaurus.com -----Original Message----- From: mathieu [mailto:madmat_03@yahoo.fr] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: joseph arthur last time i read something about joseph arthur, he was using a lexicon jamman, but maybe that has changed, that was like 2 years ago. mateo -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: 09 November 2004 19:42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: joseph arthur at work on saturday i waited on michael mills of r.e.m. (monster tipper by the way:).....we talked a little of looping and he invited me to their sunday nite gig here in da burg.....he said the opening act was a solo dude named joseph arthur and that he was a looping singer songwriter.....i tried to see what joseph was using but alas, the stage was too far away to get a look.....his looping was pretty straight ahead, percussion from slapping on his guitar, looped vocals, playing over changes etc.....nice to see and hear.....what was amazing though was the audiences reaction to his looping, THEY LOVED IT, i think there was more applause for his LOOPING rather than to his songs.....his sound was a bit muddy and at times he lost control of his volume but it was LOOPING none the less.....R.E.M. was fun, a hard working band and mr. mills was a very nice and generous fellow.....it was weird watching a "BAND" seeing that 95% of the shows i see are solo loopers who may jam with other loopers.....anyhow, it took the promise of looping to get me out of my studio and i'm glad i went.....wow, loopin in the big room, what a concept!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 03:43:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAA8goK26748; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1979.216.80.127.90.1100076148.squirrel@216.80.127.90> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:42:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Echoplex is Broke From: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just ordered a blemished echoplex from musiciansfriend and it doesn't seem to be working right out of the box. It turns on but after the "Loop 4" flashes by on the screen followed by "1.1" it just repeats doing that and none of the buttons work (pedal or rack buttons). They don't respond at all and thus I get no looping. I know the manual says the readout after the startup should be a series of constant numbers "1. 25. etc.". I only get the repeating "Loop 4" crap and nothing works. I tried the only reset I know of: holding parameter down for 7 seconds while turning the power on. It didn't do anything. Is there another master reset button or is something else wrong. I may just send it back but I'd rather not. Thanks ahead for any help. Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 06:41:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAABdZb20455; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.108.66.242] X-Originating-Email: [resonateperception@hotmail.com] X-Sender: resonateperception@hotmail.com From: "Jim Ellis" To: Subject: Electrix (electrics) Repeater "mint" for sale Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:37:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C4C6D6.8B962370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 11:38:00.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB5EAB70:01C4C719] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C4C6D6.8B962370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm selling a VERY clean Elecrix Repeater. It was in a smoke free dry dust free environment,=20 used 3 times (powered on for maybe a total of 7 hours) Never taken on the road, original box, USA power supply. Works perfectly, not a scratch on it! Comes with PDF manual (original manual may still turn up), Original Electrix 16mb compact flash card,=20 OS update and new additions to manual (on CD-R). It's a bit of a "holy grail" item,=20 and wanted to give my fellow "loop heads" a shot at it first. I hate to sell it, but I've been too busy to use it, and I have some expenses I have to knock down. I'm going to put it up on Ebay in a few days, but if anyone makes a significant offer to me directly before that time, I may sell it to them. more info below thanks Jim =20 This unit is in great shape. It has the powersupply, the original box, = CF card, and PDF manual. It also features the most recent software rev = OS 1.1 Repeater is the next step in the evolution of loop-based music = production. To the studio musician, it gives a power to arrange audio = that was normally reserved for MIDI. Live musicians can safely sample = and integrate loops into their performance with almost no learning = curve. Repeater's algorithms are tailored to making the looping process = simple and intuitive.=20 Take a deeper look into the features of Repeater by downloading the = Repeater manualPDF at the Electrix website=20 www.electrixpro.com Repeater Features... -Loop Point AssistT algorithm takes the tedious pre-production work away = from creating the perfect loop. Loop on the fly!=20 -High quality pitch shifting and time stretching algorithms gives you = creative control over a loops tempo and pitch. Completely change the = loop's vibe with a few control tweaks.=20 -Intuitive interface means a short learning curve so you are having fun = and being creative faster.=20 -Repeater has an 8-minute (40 MB) loop limit. That's larger than any = other hardware, looping device.=20 -Repeater can have up to 999 loops with 4 tracks per loop.=20 -Control the level, pan, pitch and position of individual tracks.=20 -Independently "Slip" each track position much like you would in a = software multi track application like a ProTools or Cubase.=20 -The overdub feature lets you build multi-layered loops on each of the 4 = tracks.=20 -Resample lets you bounce 4 tracks to 1 or 2 and re-record effects into = the loop.=20 -Overdub regeneration lets Repeater act like a very long delay line.=20 -The undo function lets you experiment, overdub, edit and record without = the fear of destroying your work.=20 -Reverse play and record adds new creative possibilities to your work.=20 -"Double loop" multiplies the recorded loop allowing you to create a bed = for overdubbing a longer phrase.=20 -The front panel trim controls allow you to easily edit the start and = end points of your loop.=20 Memory -Carry your performance in your pocket! Front loading Compact Flash = media gives Repeater virtually unlimited memory expansion. Repeater = comes bundled with a 16 MB Compact Flash card to complement the 8 MB = internal memory. 24 MB means 4.5 "track" minutes.=20 -The largest single card available (as of this writing) is 256 MB or 49 = minutes of uncompressed audio. Need more memory? Just swap cards. (read = more about the Compact Flash media)=20 -Purchasing an optional CFC reader gives Repeater Mac and PC = compatibility. A CFC reader sits on your desk and acts like a removable = disk drive, treating the flash memory card like a diskette. Record loops = on Repeater and transfer them via USB to your computer for integration = into your recording software. (read more about the CFC reader)=20 File Format Repeater records uncompressed WAV files giving you high quality audio = that is compatible with other environments.=20 Remote Control -Any TRS style 3-button foot controller (like a Digitech FS-300) gives = foot control over play/stop, record and tap tempo.=20 -Repeater can be operated from a MIDI foot controller for "Hands Free" = use.=20 -Full MIDI control also means you can sequence your loops to create = complete song structures.=20 -MIDI keyboard control over the pitch offers real-time manipulation over = the sample. Experiment with melodic variations of the loop.=20 I/O -Repeater's digital out means easy integration into the digital studio = environment.=20 -The High quality Phono Preamp makes it's easy to sample from vinyl.=20 -Repeater's stereo Insert lets you integrate any effects unit into your = loop. Assign the insert to individual tracks, the output or the input of = Repeater, all from the front panel.=20 -Repeater can be configured for Individual track outputs.=20 -Repeater's front panel instrument input and headphone output means, = "plug and play" looping. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C4C6D6.8B962370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I'm selling a VERY clean Elecrix=20 Repeater.
It was in a smoke free dry dust free = environment,=20
used 3 times (powered on for maybe a total of 7 hours)
Never taken on the road, original box, = USA power=20 supply.
Works perfectly, not a scratch on = it!
Comes with PDF manual (original manual = may still=20 turn up),
Original Electrix 16mb compact flash = card,=20
OS update and new additions to manual = (on=20 CD-R).
 
It's a bit of a "holy grail" item, =
and wanted to give my fellow "loop = heads" a shot at=20 it first.
I hate to sell it,
but I've been too busy to use = it,
and I have some expenses I have to = knock=20 down.
I'm going to put it up on Ebay in a few = days,
but if anyone makes a significant offer = to me=20 directly before that time,
I may sell it to them.
 
more info below
 
thanks
 
Jim
 
 

This unit is in great shape. It has the powersupply, = the=20 original box, CF card, and PDF manual. It also features the most recent = software=20 rev OS 1.1

Repeater is the next step in the evolution of loop-based music = production. To=20 the studio musician, it gives a power to arrange audio that was normally = reserved for MIDI. Live musicians can safely sample and integrate loops = into=20 their performance with almost no learning curve. Repeater's algorithms = are=20 tailored to making the looping process simple and intuitive.

Take a deeper look into the features of Repeater by downloading the = Repeater=20 manualPDF at the Electrix website

www.electrixpro.com

Repeater Features...

-Loop Point Assist=99 algorithm takes the tedious pre-production work = away from=20 creating the perfect loop. Loop on the fly!

-High quality pitch shifting and time stretching algorithms gives you = creative control over a loops tempo and pitch. Completely change the = loop's vibe=20 with a few control tweaks.

-Intuitive interface means a short learning curve so you are having = fun and=20 being creative faster.

-Repeater has an 8-minute (40 MB) loop limit. That's larger than any = other=20 hardware, looping device.

-Repeater can have up to 999 loops with 4 tracks per loop.

-Control the level, pan, pitch and position of individual tracks. =

-Independently "Slip" each track position much like you would in a = software=20 multi track application like a ProTools or Cubase.

-The overdub feature lets you build multi-layered loops on each of = the 4=20 tracks.

-Resample lets you bounce 4 tracks to 1 or 2 and re-record effects = into the=20 loop.

-Overdub regeneration lets Repeater act like a very long delay line. =

-The undo function lets you experiment, overdub, edit and record = without the=20 fear of destroying your work.

-Reverse play and record adds new creative possibilities to your = work.

-"Double loop" multiplies the recorded loop allowing you to create a = bed for=20 overdubbing a longer phrase.

-The front panel trim controls allow you to easily edit the start and = end=20 points of your loop.

Memory

-Carry your performance in your pocket! Front loading Compact Flash = media=20 gives Repeater virtually unlimited memory expansion. Repeater comes = bundled with=20 a 16 MB Compact Flash card to complement the 8 MB internal memory. 24 MB = means=20 4.5 "track" minutes.

-The largest single card available (as of this writing) is 256 MB or = 49=20 minutes of uncompressed audio. Need more memory? Just swap cards. (read = more=20 about the Compact Flash media)

-Purchasing an optional CFC reader gives Repeater Mac and PC = compatibility. A=20 CFC reader sits on your desk and acts like a removable disk drive, = treating the=20 flash memory card like a diskette. Record loops on Repeater and transfer = them=20 via USB to your computer for integration into your recording software. = (read=20 more about the CFC reader)

File Format

Repeater records uncompressed WAV files giving you high quality audio = that is=20 compatible with other environments.

Remote Control

-Any TRS style 3-button foot controller (like a Digitech FS-300) = gives foot=20 control over play/stop, record and tap tempo.

-Repeater can be operated from a MIDI foot controller for "Hands = Free" use.=20

-Full MIDI control also means you can sequence your loops to create = complete=20 song structures.

-MIDI keyboard control over the pitch offers real-time manipulation = over the=20 sample. Experiment with melodic variations of the loop.

I/O

-Repeater's digital out means easy integration into the digital = studio=20 environment.

-The High quality Phono Preamp makes it's easy to sample from vinyl. =

-Repeater's stereo Insert lets you integrate any effects unit into = your loop.=20 Assign the insert to individual tracks, the output or the input of = Repeater, all=20 from the front panel.

-Repeater can be configured for Individual track outputs.

-Repeater's front panel instrument input and headphone output means, = "plug=20 and play" looping.

 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C4C6D6.8B962370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 08:59:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAADx1607590; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex is Broke Thread-Index: AcTHBGlQwCV+bP8YQIm1eZ2ngnpASwAKiIgQ From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAADwVa07413 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the sieral number? Sounds like the one I just shipped back to them (and I wrote down the SN to make sure they sent me another new one, and to worn others). The problem from what I was told is "There are many things that can cause this boot-up loop; memory sticks not seated correctly, CPU not seated correctly, or, in older units, miss-matched crystals. Or indeed, the failure of any number of components internally." These things can be fixed, but if you just got it, it is probably time to ship it back like I did. I ordered a new one, (i.e. non-blemished, and I was afraid they would turn around and offer it up to some other unsuspecting soul). Being in the same boat you are, I feel for you, I'm still awaiting my replacement and I ordered the thing over a month ago. -----Original Message----- From: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu [mailto:wkramer1@students.depaul.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex is Broke I just ordered a blemished echoplex from musiciansfriend and it doesn't seem to be working right out of the box. It turns on but after the "Loop 4" flashes by on the screen followed by "1.1" it just repeats doing that and none of the buttons work (pedal or rack buttons). They don't respond at all and thus I get no looping. I know the manual says the readout after the startup should be a series of constant numbers "1. 25. etc.". I only get the repeating "Loop 4" crap and nothing works. I tried the only reset I know of: holding parameter down for 7 seconds while turning the power on. It didn't do anything. Is there another master reset button or is something else wrong. I may just send it back but I'd rather not. Thanks ahead for any help. Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 10:13:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAFBol19037; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: a small sampler? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:09:32 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c4c737$4b46db00$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20041109192844.007ef100@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If all you want are a few organ and mellotron sounds, look into used 1- or 1/2-space rack synth modules or a desktop GM SoundCanvas. I like the few organs and strings in my old Kurzweil Micro Piano 1/2-rack module. Friends like their EMU Vintage Keys or Roland or Korg modules of various vintages for organ and mellotron sounds. That being said, I have a EMU Vintage Pro that I would be willing to part with for $450 plus shipping. Excellent condition, and a ton of control over the patches. It is discontinued currently, but you can read about it here: http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU9117 best regards, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 10:17:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAFFKs19870; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:15:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:15:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Zvex Fuzz factory - $175 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling a Zvex Fuzz factory pedal for a friend. It's been used (see pics) but 100% functional and (of course) it sounds A-maz-ing. This is the Zenith of Boutique Fuzz pedals and one of the originals that started the kkkollectors kulture on handmade stomps. Full info from the master himself: http://www.zvex.com/fuzz.html This particular pedal is one of the earlier (1997) ones. That's supposed to mean something to collectors so I'm told but I have no idea what. I can say this is one particularly cool and great sounding stompbox. If I had the dosh I'd buy it myself. Pics of the actual pedal. (Yes, it comes with the original "oil rag") http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/fuzzf1.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/fuzzf2.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/fuzzfbb.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/fuzzfb.jpg These seem to go for $200 used on EB*Y so I'm asking $175 obo for a quick painless sale. I think that's a damn good price but if you think otherwise feel free to contact me. NO lowballs (If you know what this is then you'd know better) but I'll listen to serious offers. Will pack well for free and ship at cost. Paypal or USPS MO accepted. Pickup near Phila pa also possible. I've used this equally on Synths, drum machines, and guitars, etc. it F*&%s up everything real nice. Here's a chance to get a great handmade and more importantly great sounding and flexible player's pedal and save some $$. If you've ever been curious about this creature but dont want to spend the $$$ this one's for you. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 12:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAHcko11830; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2161.216.80.127.90.1100108269.squirrel@216.80.127.90> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:37:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke From: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thx for the reply, this really sux. My serial number is: EDP 03 03 4S4. Same one? If so, I'm pissed. I've heard bad things about musicians friend (i.e. recieving broken shit) and go figure, this is what happens the first time I order from them. Billy > What is the sieral number? Sounds like the one I just shipped back to > them (and I wrote down the SN to make sure they sent me another new one, > and to worn others). The problem from what I was told is "There are many > things that can cause this boot-up loop; memory sticks not seated > correctly, CPU not seated correctly, or, in older units, miss-matched > crystals. Or indeed, the failure of any number of > components internally." These things can be fixed, but if you just got > it, it is probably time to ship it back like I did. I ordered a new one, > (i.e. non-blemished, and I was afraid they would turn around and offer it > up to some other unsuspecting soul). Being in the same boat you are, I > feel for you, I'm still awaiting my replacement and I ordered the thing > over a month ago. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu [mailto:wkramer1@students.depaul.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Echoplex is Broke > > > I just ordered a blemished echoplex from musiciansfriend and it doesn't > seem to be working right out of the box. It turns on but after the "Loop > 4" flashes by on the screen followed by "1.1" it just repeats doing that > and none of the buttons work (pedal or rack buttons). They don't respond > at all and thus I get no looping. I know the manual says the readout > after the startup should be a series of constant numbers "1. 25. etc.". I > only get the repeating "Loop 4" crap and nothing works. > > I tried the only reset I know of: holding parameter down for 7 seconds > while turning the power on. It didn't do anything. Is there another > master reset button or is something else wrong. I may just send it back > but I'd rather not. Thanks ahead for any help. > > Billy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 12:59:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAHvqQ15719; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:57:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:57:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c4c74e$89c593a0$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <2161.216.80.127.90.1100108269.squirrel@216.80.127.90> Subject: Fruity Loops Question Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:55:58 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Recently I had to reinstall FL 3 - replacement drive - and I found that the wav files I used to use for samples appear in red and can't be heard through the FL interface. They play fine everywhere else. Any hints? Thanks in advance. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 15:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAKb6k05053; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:36:36 +0000 Message-Id: <111020042036.397.41927BD4000590BE0000018D21979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thx for the reply, this really sux. My serial number is: EDP 03 03 4S4. > Same one? If so, I'm pissed. I've heard bad things about musicians > friend (i.e. recieving broken shit) and go figure, this is what happens > the first time I order from them. > > Billy I seem to have the opposite experience with Musician's Friend...they send me free stuff! In 2002 I ordered a Boss RC-20 Loop Station. I didn't get the usual confirmation email so I wrote them another note asking if something was wrong. No answer. A few days later an RC-20 shows up at work. Then the next day ANOTHER one shows up at my home address. They only billed me for one. I was even scrupulously honest and wrote them a note asking if they wanted one of them back. No answer. Ok, guess it's mine! I was gonna sell it before I thought of putting drum loops in one and looping with the other... A few months ago I saw a blem Echoplex on their site, no mention was made of the footpedal in the listing. So I ordered it along with a new non-blem footpedal. The order arrived..one box containing a black Echoplex (almost perfect condition) and an off-white footpedal with some scratches on it, a second box containing a new black footpedal. They only charged me for one Echoplex and one pedal. As a result I have this extra off-white Gibson-logo footpedal with a few scratches sitting around that I don't need. Anybody need one? Dunno how they can run a business like that, but I'm happy to keep the free stuff. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 16:25:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAALORb12934; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Francois Lebrun" To: Subject: looping windows noises Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c4c76b$8f8d0b70$12af9d53@frle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello folks, I am currently taking a full time e-learning_Flash_Dreamweaver_other stuff training, and today the instructor showed us this Flash made thing : http://www.ebaumsworld.com/windowsnoises.html hope you enjoy it best Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times visit http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 16:25:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAALOL112912; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:46:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex is Broke Thread-Index: AcTHaC/2SxEpMe7VTa+Xyy5b29Jt/wABYPWg From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAALNpa12559 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep...that is the same one that I sent back. I can't believe they didn't even try to fix it, before they sold it again. How much did you pay for it? I hope it was less than $800. I would definitely send it back. I had not had a problem with Musician's Friend before, but this transaction has been a nightmare. If they do eventually send me one that works, I may need that "blem" footcontroler. -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke > Thx for the reply, this really sux. My serial number is: EDP 03 03 4S4. > Same one? If so, I'm pissed. I've heard bad things about musicians > friend (i.e. recieving broken shit) and go figure, this is what happens > the first time I order from them. > > Billy I seem to have the opposite experience with Musician's Friend...they send me free stuff! In 2002 I ordered a Boss RC-20 Loop Station. I didn't get the usual confirmation email so I wrote them another note asking if something was wrong. No answer. A few days later an RC-20 shows up at work. Then the next day ANOTHER one shows up at my home address. They only billed me for one. I was even scrupulously honest and wrote them a note asking if they wanted one of them back. No answer. Ok, guess it's mine! I was gonna sell it before I thought of putting drum loops in one and looping with the other... A few months ago I saw a blem Echoplex on their site, no mention was made of the footpedal in the listing. So I ordered it along with a new non-blem footpedal. The order arrived..one box containing a black Echoplex (almost perfect condition) and an off-white footpedal with some scratches on it, a second box containing a new black footpedal. They only charged me for one Echoplex and one pedal. As a result I have this extra off-white Gibson-logo footpedal with a few scratches sitting around that I don't need. Anybody need one? Dunno how they can run a business like that, but I'm happy to keep the free stuff. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 16:42:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAALfgX16706; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:41:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:41:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041110164442.00a947f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:44:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke In-Reply-To: <2161.216.80.127.90.1100108269.squirrel@216.80.127.90> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it were mine I would try reseating the chips in their sockets before sending it back. Chances are that will fix the problem. If not I'd be out only some time and it sounds like waiting for a non-blem from MF might be a long wait. just my $0.02, Nick >Thx for the reply, this really sux. My serial number is: EDP 03 03 4S4. >Same one? If so, I'm pissed. I've heard bad things about musicians >friend (i.e. recieving broken shit) and go figure, this is what happens >the first time I order from them. > >Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 17:41:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAMeD926002; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:39:36 +0000 Message-Id: <111020042239.14855.419298A80006903700003A0721979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As a result I have this extra off-white Gibson-logo footpedal with a few > scratches > sitting around that I don't need. Anybody need one? The footpedal has been claimed, thanks. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 17:48:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAMlOc27941; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:47:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41929A17.8090402@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:45:43 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping windows noises References: <000f01c4c76b$8f8d0b70$12af9d53@frle> In-Reply-To: <000f01c4c76b$8f8d0b70$12af9d53@frle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Lk1o.A.RvG.VopkBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was amazing! Thanks for the link. A. Francois Lebrun wrote: > hello folks, > I am currently taking a full time e-learning_Flash_Dreamweaver_other > stuff training, > and today the instructor showed us this Flash made thing : > > http://www.ebaumsworld.com/windowsnoises.html > > hope you enjoy it > > best > > Francois > check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times > visit http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 17:53:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAAMpcc29196; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:51:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:51:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.224.222.42] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:50:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2004 22:51:01.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[C03AEF60:01C4C777] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would one have Legal recourse in such a situation, i.e. Musicians Fiend knowingly selling a defective product, or at least reselling a defective returned product? Seems like they should take some heat off this, as I would bet it isn't the first time this sort of thing happened. >Yep...that is the same one that I sent back. I can't believe they didn't >even try to fix it, before they sold it again. How much did you pay for >it? I hope it was less than $800. I would definitely send it back. I had >not had a problem with Musician's Friend before, but this transaction has >been a nightmare. If they do eventually send me one that works, I may need >that "blem" footcontroler. > >-----Original Message----- >From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke > > > > > > > Thx for the reply, this really sux. My serial number is: EDP 03 03 4S4. > > Same one? If so, I'm pissed. I've heard bad things about musicians > > friend (i.e. recieving broken shit) and go figure, this is what happens > > the first time I order from them. > > > > Billy > >I seem to have the opposite experience with Musician's Friend...they send >me >free stuff! > >In 2002 I ordered a Boss RC-20 Loop Station. I didn't get the usual >confirmation email so I wrote them another note asking if something was >wrong. >No answer. A few days later an RC-20 shows up at work. Then the next day >ANOTHER >one shows up at my home address. They only billed me for one. I was even >scrupulously honest and wrote them a note asking if they wanted one of them >back. No answer. Ok, guess it's mine! I was gonna sell it before I thought >of >putting drum loops in one and looping with the other... > >A few months ago I saw a blem Echoplex on their site, no mention was made >of >the footpedal in the listing. So I ordered it along with a new non-blem >footpedal. >The order arrived..one box containing a black Echoplex (almost perfect >condition) >and an off-white footpedal with some scratches on it, a second box >containing a >new black footpedal. They only charged me for one Echoplex and one pedal. > >As a result I have this extra off-white Gibson-logo footpedal with a few >scratches >sitting around that I don't need. Anybody need one? > >Dunno how they can run a business like that, but I'm happy to keep the free >stuff. > >Mark Smart >www.marksmart.net > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 18:48:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAANkfl05005; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:46:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c4c77f$7ad88240$730456d1@dell8200> From: To: References: Subject: looper's digest Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:46:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 4d51ef28de4b736329b888d488e8a071239a348a220c260989d90df47a8022795af2beba1516d9922601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.4.115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys - I wd prefer to get these emails in digest form but since it comes as an attachment, is there any way to know it's safe to open? Thanks http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 10 19:25:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAB0O6V09824; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:23:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke From: Dion Stewart To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Disturbing. > From: "Brian" > Date: Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:46:40 PM US/Central > To: > Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke > Yep...that is the same one that I sent back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Echoplex is Broke > > Thx for the reply, this really sux. My serial number is: EDP 03 03 > 4S4. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3182980113_139216 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable In fact, this very discussion meets the criteria for looping, with an initial input recorded and turned into a repeating foundation that gets added to and manipulated in real time. I=B9m going through a week=B9s worth of unread posts=8B probably someone else has already made a similar comment to mine. (more loops) luv, Dan --=20 ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 11/2/04 5:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > A visit to the LD mailing list archives will yield > poly-multi-lotsa-numerous threads about just those > things, as well as quite a few where we have wrangled > about defining what looping is. >=20 > History repeats itself. >=20 > -t- >=20 > --- samba * wrote: >=20 >> > Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in >> > talking about gear than >> > abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and >> > reframings. >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 --B_3182980113_139216 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping horse In fact, this very discussion meets the criteria for l= ooping, with an initial input recorded and turned into a repeating foundatio= n that gets added to and manipulated in real time.

I’m going through a week’s worth of unread posts— probabl= y someone else has already made a similar comment to mine. (more loops)


luv,

Dan




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on 11/2/04 5:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

A visit to the LD mailing list arch= ives will yield
poly-multi-lotsa-numerous threads about just those
things, as well as quite a few where we have wrangled
about defining what looping is.

History repeats itself.

-t-

--- samba * <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:

>    Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in
> talking about gear than
> abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and
> reframings.



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--B_3182980113_139216-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 03:33:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAB8WvM09645; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:32:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=inys5MIGDUan4Vn+Y1t1dtU0zCTTWiXq29pOUfLdpZ1H2wXS2KdIpLsldDpm+A3ZQHjkTwA2HiS2CwFemWR8ul0SMlocR7i5Zui0jenR7/MzDtP5fc4YgnwiKGCF0b4SY3JdvS7ySpRep2RNGQU+7l7ejSvURgzlf2/c7eu52A0= ; Message-ID: <20041111083107.95653.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:31:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping windows noises To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41929A17.8090402@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com beautiful!! Thank you Luis --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > That was amazing! > > Thanks for the link. > A. > > Francois Lebrun wrote: > > hello folks, > > I am currently taking a full time > e-learning_Flash_Dreamweaver_other > > stuff training, > > and today the instructor showed us this Flash made > thing : > > > > http://www.ebaumsworld.com/windowsnoises.html > > > > hope you enjoy it > > > > best > > > > Francois > > check my CD Early Wanderings on > http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times > > visit http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 06:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iABBPvL00956; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:25:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41934B9D.2050707@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:23:09 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tips References: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woz wrote: > Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to > loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer > to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated. Hi Woz, I had no suggestions so asked on beyond_em where "Toni" replied with these two suggestions: mixmasters@yahoogroups.com - recording pcdaw@yahoogroups.com - PC recording hardware Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 09:19:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iABEIPI25039; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: FYI: Electro-Harmonix Holiest Grail Reverb Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:18:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <41934B9D.2050707@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTH4WgFgyPga54VTuir3TGRns9PyQAF3hYg Message-ID: <1100182833.8281@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_eSlTD.A.yEG.fS3kBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Announced today: http://gearasaurus.com/content/templates/?a=20&z=3 Don Makoviney www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 09:57:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iABEtRe30103; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Electro-Harmonix Holiest Grail Reverb Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:53:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1100182833.8281@mx64a.mysite4now.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTH4WgFgyPga54VTuir3TGRns9PyQAF3hYgAAFQ9IA= Message-Id: <20041111145356.WZVD10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h29995.htm Couldn't make the other link work G PS Gear is good--go with gear. -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:dmakoviney@innfinityinc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FYI: Electro-Harmonix Holiest Grail Reverb Announced today: http://gearasaurus.com/content/templates/?a=20&z=3 Don Makoviney www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 10:31:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iABFSxJ02786; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Electro-Harmonix Holiest Grail Reverb Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:28:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTH4WgFgyPga54VTuir3TGRns9PyQAF3hYgAAFQ9IAAATa+AA== In-Reply-To: <20041111145356.WZVD10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Message-ID: <1100187049.25898@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bloody T3 went down at my webhost. Back up now: http://gearasaurus.com/content/templates/?a=20&z=3 Thanks for the backup link too! DM -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electro-Harmonix Holiest Grail Reverb http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h29995.htm Couldn't make the other link work G PS Gear is good--go with gear. -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:dmakoviney@innfinityinc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FYI: Electro-Harmonix Holiest Grail Reverb Announced today: http://gearasaurus.com/content/templates/?a=20&z=3 Don Makoviney www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 10:43:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iABFgtb05118; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c4c805$10dd8080$e30056d1@dell8200> From: To: References: <200411071413.iA7EDga08936@hemlock.violacea.com> <41934B9D.2050707@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: recording tips Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:42:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 4d51ef28de4b736329b888d488e8a071239a348a220c26095ab2d0ae7d9c28cb620f1a7cb3b439ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.0.227 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com home recording .com is excellent http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 11 11:47:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iABGk8b15319; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:46:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:46:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-20133-1100191426-0001-2" Message-Id: <419396CB.000152.02728@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:43:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <41934B9D.2050707@soundscapes.us> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tips X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-20133-1100191426-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-20133-1100191426-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-20133-1100191426-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Feel free to ask on this list. I have been a studio engineer for 20 yea= rs engineering and producing music, tv, radio; multimedia. If it makes noise= , I have engineered it. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D Helix Server Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/11/04 03:24:24=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: recording tips=0D =0D Woz wrote:=0D =0D > Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type list to=0D > loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques and peer=0D > to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated.=0D =0D Hi Woz,=0D =0D I had no suggestions so asked on beyond_em where "Toni" replied with=0D these two suggestions:=0D mixmasters@yahoogroups.com - recording=0D pcdaw@yahoogroups.com - PC recording hardware=0D =0D Cheers,=0D =0D Bill=0D =20 --=_scarface.real.com-20133-1100191426-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 11/11/04 03:= 24:24
Subject: Re: recor= ding tips
 
Woz wrote:
 
> Greetings. Does anybody on this list know of a similar type lis= t to
> loopers delight that actually focuses on recording techniques a= nd peer
> to peer advice. Any clues would be appreciated.
 
Hi Woz,
 
I had no suggestions so asked on beyond_em where "Toni" replied with=
these two suggestions:
pcdaw@yahoogroups.com -= PC recording hardware
 
Cheers,
 
Bill
 
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I have been subscribed to this lilst through this hotmail address for some time now (2-3 years) and so far I have never had a problem with it, however ironically, since hotmail has increased the size of my inbox to a massive 250mb I get chucked off this list daily and have to resubscribe, when I do I seem to get a few hours uninterupted emails before I get thrown off again for apparantly having a non deliverable address. This has happened once before because my inbox was full, but at the moment I am using less then one percent of my total space. HELP!!!! I have no real knowlage of how to fix this problem , could someone let me know what to do in plain english!! you may wish to reply off list because the chances are hotmail will trigger me to be thrown off once again today, thanks Phill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 04:58:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAC9u2C22233; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:56:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:56:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=o6AQaG8gTnS4itRwcS5ZoZdouDE6ix2WbcU34jJIkxYamm9UgaXmS/yLTgPuhxYWPP1RJ8GrFKFiLZUZClZf2WvvhljTMbgC1aT7xEQvPrVuvttbA0E5DUgD0HUZt2htsfWtVgid6S/I9PMmBH7QqtlMuwv83IjpHlNeKsDOAH4= ; Message-ID: <20041112095538.46418.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: help Im being thrown out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Phill, the same thing happened to me recently but i solved it by turining my spam filter off in yahoo.Now i get all LD mails plus a bunch of junk mail! Luis --- lol c wrote: > Hi all > > this is a plea for someone to help m stay in this > group!!! > > I have been subscribed to this lilst through this > hotmail address for some > time now (2-3 years) and so far I have never had a > problem with it, > > however ironically, since hotmail has increased the > size of my inbox to a > massive 250mb I get chucked off this list daily and > have to resubscribe, > when I do I seem to get a few hours uninterupted > emails before I get thrown > off again for apparantly having a non deliverable > address. > > This has happened once before because my inbox was > full, but at the moment I > am using less then one percent of my total space. > HELP!!!! > > I have no real knowlage of how to fix this problem , > could someone let me > know what to do in plain english!! you may wish to > reply off list because > the chances are hotmail will trigger me to be thrown > off once again today, > > thanks > > Phill > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 06:45:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACBi7x03544; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:44:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:44:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041112095538.46418.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041112095538.46418.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <150D6391-34A0-11D9-AA7F-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: help Im being thrown out Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:43:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This happened to me as well. I was using the spam filter provided by my ISP. Since I got thrown off the loopers-delight I had to ask them to drop the spam filtering of my e-mail account. This of course resulted in a flood of spam going into my machine. I'm using a Mac so there's no big virus risk and I started "training" the spam filter built into my e-mail client "Mail". Now it does the job well, filtering away about 200 spam letters a day. There are similarly effective local spam filters available for Windows based e-mail clients as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Nov 12, 2004, at 10:55, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi Phill, > the same thing happened to me recently but i solved it > by turining my spam filter off in yahoo.Now i get all > LD mails plus a bunch of junk mail! > Luis > > > --- lol c wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> this is a plea for someone to help m stay in this >> group!!! >> >> I have been subscribed to this lilst through this >> hotmail address for some >> time now (2-3 years) and so far I have never had a >> problem with it, >> >> however ironically, since hotmail has increased the >> size of my inbox to a >> massive 250mb I get chucked off this list daily and >> have to resubscribe, >> when I do I seem to get a few hours uninterupted >> emails before I get thrown >> off again for apparantly having a non deliverable >> address. >> >> This has happened once before because my inbox was >> full, but at the moment I >> am using less then one percent of my total space. >> HELP!!!! >> >> I have no real knowlage of how to fix this problem , >> could someone let me >> know what to do in plain english!! you may wish to >> reply off list because >> the chances are hotmail will trigger me to be thrown >> off once again today, >> >> thanks >> >> Phill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 07:57:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACCuPL17016; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:56:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:56:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:54:47 -0500 From: dk@zenkick.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help Im being thrown out Message-ID: <20041112125447.GO13428@text.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol c said... > This has happened once before because my inbox was full, but at the moment > I am using less then one percent of my total space. HELP!!!! In addition to possibly adding "Loopers-Delight@loops-delight.com" to your SPAM filter whitelist, perhaps you need to purge your deleted items. -dk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 08:12:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACDCAL19483; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:12:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:12:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c4c8b8$fef17070$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: help Im being thrown out Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:10:33 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <3xeIpC.A.itE.OZLlBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about establishing a separate hotmail address for your newsletters only? ----- Original Message ----- From: "lol c" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:25 AM Subject: help Im being thrown out > Hi all > > this is a plea for someone to help m stay in this group!!! > > I have been subscribed to this lilst through this hotmail address for some > time now (2-3 years) and so far I have never had a problem with it, > > however ironically, since hotmail has increased the size of my inbox to a > massive 250mb I get chucked off this list daily and have to resubscribe, > when I do I seem to get a few hours uninterupted emails before I get thrown > off again for apparantly having a non deliverable address. > > This has happened once before because my inbox was full, but at the moment I > am using less then one percent of my total space. HELP!!!! > > I have no real knowlage of how to fix this problem , could someone let me > know what to do in plain english!! you may wish to reply off list because > the chances are hotmail will trigger me to be thrown off once again today, > > thanks > > Phill > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 12:53:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACHqn227696; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:49:09 -0500 From: "zmloopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com" Subject: L.owest Prescri.ption Drugs Online Reply-to: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com To: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Content-disposition: inline Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cutoff ammonia land alike heidelberg newcomer insufferable kelley 0rder V1C0D1N Here -> http://LviPhrV.aresubjectto.com/?a=330 subservient coop maidservant armonk pundit typographer derek memorable sirius allis wool excelsior bauer pulse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 13:43:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACIg8405518; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:42:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:42:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IhxuvmZ1srmTjQgbm4r3Zf47jU6Fpz3QDfSfmFsAktmu6B8E2cpPDGn5c7/GN/D0sZWNM3IFzvgFLAb08yOiBgZ6XIY7SqXf1SwxZBfoow/0NZkjrte15sqUqfq0cXR2BSxLbBxWWg51dfcFmpucA84OztBtjst5LDXkckQVSpo= ; Message-ID: <20041112184132.1550.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Kflint virus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <150D6391-34A0-11D9-AA7F-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, i just got an attatchment virus from kflint,anybody got it as well? Things are strange momentarily i am getting bombarded with viruses,being thrown out from the list...is it because Arafat died? cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > This happened to me as well. I was using the spam > filter provided by my > ISP. Since I got thrown off the loopers-delight I > had to ask them to > drop the spam filtering of my e-mail account. This > of course resulted > in a flood of spam going into my machine. I'm using > a Mac so there's no > big virus risk and I started "training" the spam > filter built into my > e-mail client "Mail". Now it does the job well, > filtering away about > 200 spam letters a day. There are similarly > effective local spam > filters available for Windows based e-mail clients > as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Nov 12, 2004, at 10:55, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi Phill, > > the same thing happened to me recently but i > solved it > > by turining my spam filter off in yahoo.Now i get > all > > LD mails plus a bunch of junk mail! > > Luis > > > > > > --- lol c wrote: > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> this is a plea for someone to help m stay in this > >> group!!! > >> > >> I have been subscribed to this lilst through this > >> hotmail address for some > >> time now (2-3 years) and so far I have never had > a > >> problem with it, > >> > >> however ironically, since hotmail has increased > the > >> size of my inbox to a > >> massive 250mb I get chucked off this list daily > and > >> have to resubscribe, > >> when I do I seem to get a few hours uninterupted > >> emails before I get thrown > >> off again for apparantly having a non deliverable > >> address. > >> > >> This has happened once before because my inbox > was > >> full, but at the moment I > >> am using less then one percent of my total space. > >> HELP!!!! > >> > >> I have no real knowlage of how to fix this > problem , > >> could someone let me > >> know what to do in plain english!! you may wish > to > >> reply off list because > >> the chances are hotmail will trigger me to be > thrown > >> off once again today, > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> Phill > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 14:07:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACJ5YS10196; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:05:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:05:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411121903.iACJ3Za09790@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Kflint virus Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:03:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041112184132.1550.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTI52AwJLO+w42uSFym7yQvSLvVKQAApJDw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <78n5KC.A.VZC.IkQlBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has been happening for a while I didn't see the attachment as it was blocked the message itself was trapped as spam. Oh, the wonderful world of spam and viruses give up on Windows and use Debian who knows? -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kflint virus Hi gang, i just got an attatchment virus from kflint,anybody got it as well? Things are strange momentarily i am getting bombarded with viruses,being thrown out from the list...is it because Arafat died? cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > This happened to me as well. I was using the spam filter provided by > my ISP. Since I got thrown off the loopers-delight I had to ask them > to drop the spam filtering of my e-mail account. This of course > resulted in a flood of spam going into my machine. I'm using a Mac so > there's no big virus risk and I started "training" the spam filter > built into my e-mail client "Mail". Now it does the job well, > filtering away about 200 spam letters a day. There are similarly > effective local spam filters available for Windows based e-mail > clients as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish > site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Nov 12, 2004, at 10:55, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi Phill, > > the same thing happened to me recently but i > solved it > > by turining my spam filter off in yahoo.Now i get > all > > LD mails plus a bunch of junk mail! > > Luis > > > > > > --- lol c wrote: > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> this is a plea for someone to help m stay in this group!!! > >> > >> I have been subscribed to this lilst through this hotmail address > >> for some time now (2-3 years) and so far I have never had > a > >> problem with it, > >> > >> however ironically, since hotmail has increased > the > >> size of my inbox to a > >> massive 250mb I get chucked off this list daily > and > >> have to resubscribe, > >> when I do I seem to get a few hours uninterupted emails before I > >> get thrown off again for apparantly having a non deliverable > >> address. > >> > >> This has happened once before because my inbox > was > >> full, but at the moment I > >> am using less then one percent of my total space. > >> HELP!!!! > >> > >> I have no real knowlage of how to fix this > problem , > >> could someone let me > >> know what to do in plain english!! you may wish > to > >> reply off list because > >> the chances are hotmail will trigger me to be > thrown > >> off once again today, > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> Phill > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 17:09:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iACM7Cx04952; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:07:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:07:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.124.22] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EHX 16 reissue issue Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:05:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 22:06:02.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC49A5C0:01C4C903] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 4-beat count-in really sucks… does anyone know if it would be possible to kill this ‘feature’. Thanks LOU From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 12 19:15:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAD0E6X21999; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DdG/fG4OD1gZt2RPz2jjv/lPgj2JyhamvansO1lC3/zg6JWVcNrjCP1CEgY97GeOcClEAB5HyD22/rOMncHwLRGVIXgnV+KhD+YraPwqHiSyy0APbUubt5WI8AvhY7vncoQT8XRq6hajVL2Utz94VOSGxFgT7HGXbfk/e2ViPnk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:12:19 -0800 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam - not looping AFAIK - estrogenesis - SF tomorrow night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a live electronica show I'm going to tomorrow that I thought I'd let you know about. I have no idea what to expect, apart fromt the fact that all the performers will be female. And, I beleive, they have to have a hand in creating the music - waggling their bum in front of the actual performers and crooning off-key, or pressing play ona record player don't count. Here are the details - time/lineup/cover http://www.digitalblissproductions.com/EGEMAIL/EG3.html I have no idea what to expect, apart from the obvious. I only know one person playing, who's coming up from L.A. for this event. If you're going, let me know, and we can meet up. I may not get there until 10 or so due to previous obligations.... bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iADH8Mj10544; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.19a53eab.2ec79921@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:06:41 EST Subject: Radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.19a53eab.2ec79921_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8c.19a53eab.2ec79921_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just got done listening to the Nashville NPR show that=20 Rick Walker participated in Thursday. Wow! It's archived=20 and streamable from:=20 http://www.wpln.org/liveinstudioc/ The first part (about 15 minutes or so of the show is with=20 a Mexican classical guitarist named Juan Carlos Laguna.=20 He's quite good too. But, the real treat is Rick and his=20 friends in the later part of the show -- complete with an on-air plug/mention for "live looping" heheh. If you get a chance check it out. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_8c.19a53eab.2ec79921_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I just got done listening to the Nashville NPR show that
Rick Walker participated in Thursday. Wow! It's archived
and streamable from:

http://www.wpln.org/liveinstudioc/

The first part (about 15 minutes or so of the show is with
a Mexican classical guitarist named Juan Carlos Laguna.
He's quite good too. But, the real treat is Rick and his
friends in the later part of the show -- complete with
an on-air plug/mention for "live looping" heheh.

If you get a chance check it out.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_8c.19a53eab.2ec79921_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 13 15:38:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iADKaU206595; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:36:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.11.205.123] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Kflint virus Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:33:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2004 20:34:01.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C4738F0:01C4C9C0] Resent-Message-ID: <-pavzD.A.IiB.A_mlBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Oh, the wonderful world of spam and viruses give up on Windows and use >Debian who knows? Here here! What a wonderfully simple solution, I do say. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 13 16:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iADLZ0x14195; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c4c9ca$8ed902e0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <8c.19a53eab.2ec79921@aol.com> Subject: Re: Radio Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:48:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4C987.7FB20E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4C987.7FB20E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted, I'm glad you gave the Nashville link...I didn't want to miss that! = Rick and crew sounded masterful. Percussion mayhem. Plus, I think he = was "playing" the bells on Repeater, probably with a midi keyboard?? David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: Radio Hi all, I just got done listening to the Nashville NPR show that=20 Rick Walker participated in Thursday. Wow! It's archived=20 and streamable from:=20 http://www.wpln.org/liveinstudioc/ The first part (about 15 minutes or so of the show is with=20 a Mexican classical guitarist named Juan Carlos Laguna.=20 He's quite good too. But, the real treat is Rick and his=20 friends in the later part of the show -- complete with an on-air plug/mention for "live looping" heheh. If you get a chance check it out. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4C987.7FB20E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ted, I'm glad = you gave the=20 Nashville link...I didn't want to miss that! 
 
Rick and crew = sounded=20 masterful.  Percussion mayhem.  Plus, I think he was "playing" = the=20 bells on Repeater, probably with a midi keyboard??
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 13, = 2004 9:06=20 AM
Subject: Radio

Hi all,

I just got done listening = to the=20 Nashville NPR show that
Rick Walker participated in Thursday. Wow! = It's=20 archived
and streamable from:

http://www.wpln.org/liveinstu= dioc/

The=20 first part (about 15 minutes or so of the show is with
a Mexican = classical=20 guitarist named Juan Carlos Laguna.
He's quite good too. But, the = real=20 treat is Rick and his
friends in the later part of the show -- = complete=20 with
an on-air plug/mention for "live looping" heheh.

If you = get a=20 chance check it out.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 = kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com= /cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.g= arageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.as= px?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<= BR>
Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4C987.7FB20E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 13 23:53:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAE4pSq27853; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.245.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: ocfdiscuss@efn.org Subject: Pentagon's own internet Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:38:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2004 04:39:00.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC9C25F0:01C4CA03] Resent-Message-ID: <7iskuB.A.9xG.cQulBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Pentagon is building its own Internet, the military's world wide web for the wars of the future. The goal is to give all American commanders and troops a moving picture of all foreign enemies and threats - "a God's-eye view" of battle.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 13 23:57:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAE4ovO27810; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:50:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Dell 3.2 GHz with free 19" monitor for $749 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:48:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <001201c4c9ca$8ed902e0$0200a8c0@audiows> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTJyNi7IcFN4vSCSM+nRCAPij1MPgAPDNsQ Message-ID: <1100407869.5662@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The computer goes to the wife - the 19" monitor goes to my home studio. Heheh. http://url123.com/wqqph $100 Rebate: http://www.dell.com/downloads/us/bsd/bsd_rebate_form.pdf You also get a free Dell 720 Color Printer. Free shipping. Specs: Pentium 4 Processor 540 with HT Technology (3.20GHz, 800 FSB) Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 512MB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz (2x256M) Dell Quietkey Keyboard FREE! 19" E193FP Flat Panel Display 128MB PCI Express? x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon? X300 SE 40GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) No Floppy Drive Included Dell 2-button scroll mouse Integrated Gigabit Ethernet 48X CD-ROM Drive Integrated 5.1 Channel Audio WordPerfect, Powerful Word Processing 2 Year Limited Warranty plus 2 Year On-site Service Mail- In Rebate $100 Mail In Rebate DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 00:52:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAE5oBw32392; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:50:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c4c9a9$30e0a060$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Anomalous Disturbances Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:49:57 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7ylKs.A.Z5H.xHvlBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 16th - Anomalous Disturbances with Matthew Poulakakis and Aidan Baker plus "20 Years Audible" videos for CIUT 89.5 FM Vancouver based ambientalist, Anomalous Disturbances (Terry O'Brien) returns to THE AMBiENT PiNG once again to perform two sets of improvised soundscapes. Also featured before and between sets are screenings of works by New Zealand and Japanese artists, presented in celebration of 20 years of "The Audible Woman", Sarah Peebles' long-running radio program bringing you "experimental" music composed and otherwise created by women from around the globe. The Audible Woman airs the first Wednesday of every month, 6-8 pm on CIUT 89.5 FM. Sarah will be in the house to collect pledges for the station-fundraising on behalf of The Audible Woman. http://www.ciut.fm 9:00 pm (sharp) video - "Te Hekenga-A-Rangi" (Aotearoa/New Zealand) Performances and interviews with the late Hirini Melbourne & Richard Nunns with Aroha Yates-Smith. Revivalists, improvisers, & scholars of ancient Maori instruments & scholar Maori female deities 9:30 pm - Anomalous Disturbances live - Using an array of digital sampling/looping devices & sound processors through which he plays his guitars, Terry's works have been characterized as, "long slow tone-creepings that inch around one's living room, exhaling grey mysteries and ominous calms." (from a recent review by Marc S. Tucker) http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com 10:20 pm - video - "Let there be Light" (Japan) Nami Hotatsu (voice, electronics) and Ko Ishikawa (sho/mouth-organ and electronics). Mesmerizing visuals reminiscent of water-colour paintings gradually dissolve into one another, mirrored beautifully by Hotatsu and Ishikawa's soundscape and spoken word. 10:45 pm - For his second set, Terry will be joined by special guests, and AMBiENT PiNG alumni, Matthew Poulakakis (aka Automatic Fats / Solipsystem) and Aidan Baker (ARC). http://cdbaby.com/cd/automaticfats http://listen.to/aidan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . November 23rd - Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Following up the brilliant "Illusions of Light", Sylken released "PiNG", a stunning live presentation of the ever evolving musical collective taken from a pair of performances recorded at THE AMBiENT PiNG. Opening with "Here, then Gone", Sylken creates a deep and foreboding environment given a small hint of light by a lonely trumpet played masterfully by Wally Jericho, a frequent contributor to the project. Quiet synth lines pass by in the darkness, like comets travelling through space, burning brightly for only an instant, a faded memory the next. I'm not too sure who plays what on each track, but I'll comment here that both Eric Hopper & Steven Sauve of Sylken have a masterful approach to creating beautiful and emotional music through their keyboards, coaxing notes and tones that others would be unable to create. Hearing the sonic bliss they're responsible for I oftentimes think of the two of them as magicians more than musicians. "The Sonorous Apparition" follows in the same dark vein, sound bended and folded in ways that shouldn't be possible, and yet becomes all the more beautiful for it. Random notes, a little guitar perhaps? It's all good... "NGC 720" closes the disc, conjuring images of distant stars and nebulae swirling in the depths of space, a ballet of astronomy. Notes ebb and flow, grow and swell, rise and fall in a rapturous swirl, sweetly caressing the listener. Sensual. Three pieces of long form ambience, all with their own unique charms. "PiNG" by Sylken fully captures the magic of performance and the beauty of space. Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 08:34:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEDXEM21594; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nU+BTOGoSzA6Ypx0DlFZxI5RjkLL1BkXkQKgpX2n7AMs3qXigidzMpUTDnlQsRjQpSpNmHEMQsQqbnaofgR5V3MviVgVp6+jh8CSw/yhnxuekhQuI4FRFSUSQjf2lUeUt8H1Fdroy5GeSbtks0eYZfNBULSMdL22X+3kTig/VBI= ; Message-ID: <20041114133228.79385.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Left-handed Compliments From Offa the Wall (was: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Anomalous Disturbances) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8c.19a53eab.2ec79921@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The exerpt of the Terry O'Brien review that describes his sound as "long slow tone-creepings that inch around one's living room, exhaling grey mysteries and ominous calms" makes me wonder what sort of gems we listmembers could offer collectively in relating ways reviewers and audiences have described our own work. About a year and a half ago I posted what a TV commentator had to say about a performance I did at Boston's Zeitgeist Gallery on a triple bill between Jorrit Dijkstra and the duo of listmembers Michael La Meyer and Jeff Lomas, three very different examples of live looping. Unfortunately, he was lumping together as an homogenous genre music made by anyone with "boxes" (his term for our racks of looping gear), but in general his review was favorable; he described the music he heard that evening as analogous to juicing fruits and vegetables so that their nutrients would dump straight into one's bloodstream. More recently, a Norwegian guy described my sound as "Eivind Aarset for people who don't dance"; I can sort of see what he means by that one, but I think the guy who referred to my fondness for delays a while back by calling me "a duller Edge" was just trying to be like Oscar Wilde. At least that's what I tell myself. :) What sorts of, um, *interesting* things have people said about the rest of you and your looping? -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 08:56:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEDt5w23681; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:55:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:55:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr5 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:54:13 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: New CD "International Live Looping Trio" released Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello LD, This is new loop music CD release information. SYNCED! / International Live Looping Trio elecrt-ohm illt1 CDR International Live Looping Trio: Sunao Inami (Japan): laptop Rick Walker (USA): found sound, percussion and electronics Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland): guitar, effects, loops Live recorded at the Luggage Store, San Francisco in October,7th,2004. about 43min improvised live looping performance. US$12 (includes worldwide shipping) Mail order available on electr-ohm and C.U.E.records site. English and Japanese page available. Paypal accepted. electr-ohm (Kobe,Japan) http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm C.U.E.records (Kobe,Japan) http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop "International Live Looping Trio" official site http://nosuch.biz/illt Thank you Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 09:38:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEEb3G27581; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Radio Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:38:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4CA60.06936290" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8c.19a53eab.2ec79921@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,J_CHICKENPOX_55,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4CA60.06936290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Ted Thank you for posting this! It is a beautiful set they're playing! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Samstag, 13. November 2004 18:07 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Radio Hi all, I just got done listening to the Nashville NPR show that Rick Walker participated in Thursday. Wow! It's archived and streamable from: http://www.wpln.org/liveinstudioc/ The first part (about 15 minutes or so of the show is with a Mexican classical guitarist named Juan Carlos Laguna. He's quite good too. But, the real treat is Rick and his friends in the later part of the show -- complete with an on-air plug/mention for "live looping" heheh. If you get a chance check it out. Best regards, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4CA60.06936290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Ted
 
Thank=20 you for posting this!
It is=20 a beautiful set they're playing!
 
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com = [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Samstag, 13. November 2004 = 18:07
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Radio

Hi all,

I just = got done=20 listening to the Nashville NPR show that
Rick Walker participated = in=20 Thursday. Wow! It's archived
and streamable from:=20

http://www.wpln.org/liveinstudioc/

The first part = (about 15=20 minutes or so of the show is with
a Mexican classical guitarist = named Juan=20 Carlos Laguna.
He's quite good too. But, the real treat is Rick = and his=20
friends in the later part of the show -- complete with
an = on-air=20 plug/mention for "live looping" heheh.

If you get a chance = check it=20 out.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 = kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com= /cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.g= arageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.as= px?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<= BR>
Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4CA60.06936290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 14:50:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEJnJ903966; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114132036.0c30fd00@pine.f5.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:42:36 -0600 To: Loopers Delight From: Mech Subject: OT: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since this pedal, while not a looper, has come up in previous discussions, I just wanted to give people a quick heads-up: There's currently a $40 rebate offer for Yamaha's MagicStomp pedal until 31 Jan., 2005. You can grab the rebate coupon at: http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pdf/rebates/151558.pdf Of course, you don't have to actually purchase the product at Musician's Friend to receive the rebate (even if you download the rebate coupon from their servers). I just ordered a MagicStomp from AMS for $139.95. Taking the rebate into account gave me an effective price of ~$99 -- quite a bit lower than the $299 list. For those of you not familiar, the MagicStomp is a "best of" pedal which steals algorithms and patches from Yamaha's previous UD-, DL-, & AG-Stomp boxes, and places them together with some of the patches from the newer SPX-series rackmount effects units. More background at: http://www.magicstomp.com/ . --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 14:51:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEJnd804126; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:49:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4wa8DQoYWcRKaiJZ5d7hF4AymS0kX8ZNr7HU84RsACYTBvHqqRw/1iQ6e10gv7myX5dLUXXHkKp0M2d8Zo/l71Tdot5twDk6OzuHwTy8lXP4mebTeX/xmJ4pWtgtR89GB9PtXfgaC5wJK8yFSEYAUfTt0qIhfuxhj/81yWOweDI= ; Message-ID: <20041114194906.77798.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200410232156.i9NLu0C19264@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8UYFsC.A.L9.5a7lBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw Robert Fripp doing his solo soundscapes these past two nights. At the end of the second night, he left his loopers (four TC2290's) running for about half an hour while people slowly left the building. As the loops went on, more and more clicking noises became apparent. I asked John Sinks (his tech) about it and he replied that this is a known bug that has never been addressed. The TC2290's are no longer being supported as the technology has become too ancient. According to John, Robert will be switching to EDP's sometime in the future. Does this mean replacing his four 2290's with four EDP's? I didn't get that clarified though it sounded like it. Also, he'll be replacing his Eventides with the latest Eventide H8000. This will allow 8 channel panning (plus a few other things...). Robert played to supportive audiences of about 35-40 people each night. What a joy to see him at ease and not hiding in a darkly lit corner of the stage or running away from hungry autograph seekers. He warmly welcomed people before the show started and was available for conversation afterwards. I've been following his work for a number of decades and this was by far the most ideal performance situation I've yet to see him in. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 14:55:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEJtdb06249; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:55:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:55:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4197B81F.10408@biink.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:55:11 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff References: <20041114194906.77798.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041114194906.77798.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com S V G wrote: > Just saw Robert Fripp doing his solo soundscapes these past two nights. > > Robert played to supportive audiences of about 35-40 people each night. What a joy to see >him at ease and not hiding in a darkly lit corner of the stage or running away from hungry >autograph seekers. He warmly welcomed people before the show started and was available for >conversation afterwards. > Mellowing with old age??? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 15:07:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAEK6B409560; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:06:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:04:22 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c4ca85$237aad80$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041114194906.77798.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for sharing. You just urged me to buy both of Fripp's live Soundscapes CDs. Perhaps vol. 3 will be with the EDPs....yet another big name sponsor. K- -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Just saw Robert Fripp doing his solo soundscapes these past two nights. At the end of the second night, he left his loopers (four TC2290's) running for about half an hour while people slowly left the building. As the loops went on, more and more clicking noises became apparent. I asked John Sinks (his tech) about it and he replied that this is a known bug that has never been addressed. The TC2290's are no longer being supported as the technology has become too ancient. According to John, Robert will be switching to EDP's sometime in the future. Does this mean replacing his four 2290's with four EDP's? I didn't get that clarified though it sounded like it. Also, he'll be replacing his Eventides with the latest Eventide H8000. This will allow 8 channel panning (plus a few other things...). Robert played to supportive audiences of about 35-40 people each night. What a joy to see him at ease and not hiding in a darkly lit corner of the stage or running away from hungry autograph seekers. He warmly welcomed people before the show started and was available for conversation afterwards. I've been following his work for a number of decades and this was by far the most ideal performance situation I've yet to see him in. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 19:17:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF0Fsm18482; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:15:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:15:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Mellow Fripp -- future EDP user Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:14:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4197B81F.10408@biink.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTKhBM1D7eUxxUbSAGwf28pphiVrwAI5bgg Message-Id: <20041115001502.PZHF21104.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com S V G wrote: > Just saw Robert Fripp doing his solo soundscapes these past two nights. > > Robert played to supportive audiences of about 35-40 people each >night. What a joy to see him at ease and not hiding in a darkly lit >corner of the stage or running away from hungry autograph seekers. He >warmly welcomed people before the show started and was available for conversation afterwards. > Mellowing with old age??? -- * David Beardsley Yeah, I was lucky enough to meet him two years when a friend did an interview with him just after Xmas. He was very relaxed if not careless (!). If he starts using the Echoplex, they are sure to stay in production! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 19:25:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF0O3D19768; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c4caa9$51a247d0$d55bd618@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114132036.0c30fd00@pine.f5.com> Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:23:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << I just ordered a MagicStomp from AMS for $139.95. >> The website is advertising a $166.95 price. How did you get the lower price? Price match with 'nother dealer? Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mech" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: OT: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX > Since this pedal, while not a looper, has come up in previous discussions, > I just wanted to give people a quick heads-up: There's currently a $40 > rebate offer for Yamaha's MagicStomp pedal until 31 Jan., 2005. You can > grab the rebate coupon at: > > http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pdf/rebates/151558.pdf > > Of course, you don't have to actually purchase the product at Musician's > Friend to receive the rebate (even if you download the rebate coupon from > their servers). I just ordered a MagicStomp from AMS for $139.95. Taking > the rebate into account gave me an effective price of ~$99 -- quite a bit > lower than the $299 list. > > For those of you not familiar, the MagicStomp is a "best of" pedal which > steals algorithms and patches from Yamaha's previous UD-, DL-, & AG-Stomp > boxes, and places them together with some of the patches from the newer > SPX-series rackmount effects units. More background at: > http://www.magicstomp.com/ . > > --m. > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 20:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF140M25345; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:04:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:04:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114184444.0c28ecd8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:56:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX In-Reply-To: <001e01c4caa9$51a247d0$d55bd618@BlackDell> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114132036.0c30fd00@pine.f5.com> <001e01c4caa9$51a247d0$d55bd618@BlackDell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:23 PM 11/14/2004, Paul wrote: ><< I just ordered a MagicStomp from AMS for $139.95. >> > >The website is advertising a $166.95 price. How did you get the lower >price? Price match with 'nother dealer? Actually, no. Straight off the website; no funny stuff or price matching whatsoever. Wasn't a "special" or "sale" either. Oh, and free shipping too. If you want to call 'em up and beat them over the head, they sold this one to me less than a week ago (late Thursday night, if I remember correctly). Write me offline and I'll send my name and contact info -- even the order # if you like -- then you can ask them why they sold me one for that price, but they wanna gig you another $25 for the same thing. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 14 23:30:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF4Td824427; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:29:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:29:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jared McQueen" To: Subject: newbie question on real-time computer looping Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:29:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CAA1.D7377DA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTKy77VmoLTp0fvRPq4CbSW9Auu4g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> Resent-Message-ID: <4sK_s.A._8F.ZCDmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CAA1.D7377DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone, I'm new to the world of looping, but am very computer savvy. I've recently been listening to Howie Day and Keller Williams and want to loop using a computer. I just recently bought a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum. Here are the specs: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2ZS_platinum_pro/specs.asp Basically it's a really nice ASIO 2.0 compatible sound card with lots of Ins and Outs. It also has a MIDI controller on it. I've been tooling around with various audio programs, notably real-time effects programs such as Native Instruments Guitar Rig, and other programs that support ASIO 2.0's VST real-time effects. Those programs are great (3 millisecond delay!!!! - not noticeable by human ear) but I wish to do real-time looping - controlled with a MIDI pedal. Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, using an external input like a MIDI controller? I feel that my ASIO 2.0 sound card and fast computer can definitely handle it - there HAS to be something out there that can do this. Thanks guys, -Jared AIM: kgjgm2000 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CAA1.D7377DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey everyone, I’m new to the world of looping, = but am very computer savvy.  I’ve recently been listening to Howie = Day and Keller Williams and want to loop using a = computer.

 

I just recently bought a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS = Platinum.  Here are the specs:

http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2ZS_platinum_pro/specs.a= sp

 

Basically it’s a really nice ASIO 2.0 = compatible sound card with lots of Ins and Outs.  It also has a MIDI controller on it.

 

I’ve been tooling around with various audio = programs, notably real-time effects programs such as Native Instruments Guitar = Rig, and other programs that support ASIO 2.0’s VST real-time effects.  = Those programs are great (3 millisecond delay!!!! – not noticeable by human ear) = but I wish to do real-time looping – controlled with a MIDI pedal.

 

Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop = in real-time, using an external input like a MIDI controller?  I feel that my ASIO 2.0 sound card and fast computer = can definitely handle it – there HAS to be something out there that can do = this.

 

Thanks guys,

-Jared

 

AIM: kgjgm2000

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CAA1.D7377DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 00:33:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF5VDS32760; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1CTZRt2cL8-0008W3@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:30:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20041114194906.77798.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTKgxQaG3TdAkyeT72aLtTiCbSaAgAUOk2g Resent-Message-ID: <4RNf7B.A.e9H.G8DmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to Eventide, the H8000 does include a '174 second mono sampler, or 87 seconds of phase-locked stereo with advanced looping, editing, and layering capabilities'. Not bad for almost $6,000 US. :) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > four EDP's? I didn't get that clarified though it sounded like it. > Also, he'll be replacing his Eventides with the latest > Eventide H8000. This will allow 8 channel panning (plus a > few other things...). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 02:33:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF7W2o11511; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:32:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:32:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3111.216.80.127.90.1100503836.squirrel@216.80.127.90> In-Reply-To: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> References: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:30:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping From: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <68GNyB.A.byC.csFmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ableton Live 4.0. I use it but get a little lag. I have a PC and an M-Audio Audiophile so that's prolly the reason for lag. I also have a gibson echoplex digital pro plus which is an excellent looper/ sequencer that has midi sync and a but load of pedals. > Hey everyone, I'm new to the world of looping, but am very computer savvy. > I've recently been listening to Howie Day and Keller Williams and want to > loop using a computer. > > > > I just recently bought a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum. Here are the > specs: > > http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2ZS_platinum_pro/specs.asp > > > > Basically it's a really nice ASIO 2.0 compatible sound card with lots of > Ins > and Outs. It also has a MIDI controller on it. > > > > I've been tooling around with various audio programs, notably real-time > effects programs such as Native Instruments Guitar Rig, and other programs > that support ASIO 2.0's VST real-time effects. Those programs are great > (3 > millisecond delay!!!! - not noticeable by human ear) but I wish to do > real-time looping - controlled with a MIDI pedal. > > > > Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, using > an > external input like a MIDI controller? I feel that my ASIO 2.0 sound card > and fast computer can definitely handle it - there HAS to be something out > there that can do this. > > > > Thanks guys, > > -Jared > > > > AIM: kgjgm2000 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 04:14:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF9CpB25593; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:12:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:12:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> References: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F814C34-36E6-11D9-87A2-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:11:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAF9BPa25441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 15, 2004, at 5:29, Jared McQueen wrote: > Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, > using an external input like a MIDI controller?  I feel that my ASIO > 2.0 sound card and fast computer can definitely handle it – there HAS > to be something out there that can do this. I agree with wkramer1@students.depaul.edu that Ableton Live is cool. But it only does static looping, ie you record a loop and the software plays it back until you turn it off. I you want to do dynamic looping you have to open some looping/delay plug-in on an Ableton Live channel and use that plug-in to overdub layers of audio into the loop. The best looping plug-in I have found so far is Augustus Loop (OS X only). There is also the Lexicon PSP42, which is available for both Mac and PC but a little more CPU intensive and not so packed with cool features as Augustus Loop. If you use an apple machine with OS X another cool combo is to open Augustus Loop in Numerology.. Numerology is a modular step sequencing software and when looping audio you can make use of the step sequences to set up patterns for filters, pitch etc of the loops. You can pretty much design your own "audio effect processor" and it can all be run in beat sync. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 04:25:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAF9P3s27337; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:25:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:25:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c4caf4$f08fbf80$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <20041114194906.77798.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:24:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where was the gig???? I didn't hear about this happening... :o( Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff > Just saw Robert Fripp doing his solo soundscapes these past two > nights. At the end of the > second night, he left his loopers (four TC2290's) running for about half > an hour while people > slowly left the building. As the loops went on, more and more clicking > noises became apparent. I > asked John Sinks (his tech) about it and he replied that this is a known > bug that has never been > addressed. The TC2290's are no longer being supported as the technology > has become too ancient. > According to John, Robert will be switching to EDP's sometime in the > future. Does this mean > replacing his four 2290's with four EDP's? I didn't get that clarified > though it sounded like it. > Also, he'll be replacing his Eventides with the latest Eventide H8000. > This will allow 8 channel > panning (plus a few other things...). > > Robert played to supportive audiences of about 35-40 people each > night. What a joy to see > him at ease and not hiding in a darkly lit corner of the stage or running > away from hungry > autograph seekers. He warmly welcomed people before the show started and > was available for > conversation afterwards. I've been following his work for a number of > decades and this was by far > the most ideal performance situation I've yet to see him in. > > Stephen > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 05:19:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFAJ2H01086; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:19:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:19:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:59:10 -0500 From: Elby Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX In-reply-to: <200411150430.iAF4UC224500@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: mtman@mail.cloud9.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041115045541.0233f510@mail.cloud9.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200411150430.iAF4UC224500@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone had a chance to try the Acoustic MagicStomp? It's more expensive than the "standard model", I wonder how it compares, and how it compares to it's predecessor the AG-stomp. Any opinions? Thanks, Elby >Since this pedal, while not a looper, has come up in previous discussions, >I just wanted to give people a quick heads-up: There's currently a $40 >rebate offer for Yamaha's MagicStomp pedal until 31 Jan., 2005. You can >grab the rebate coupon at: > > http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pdf/rebates/151558.pdf > >Of course, you don't have to actually purchase the product at Musician's >Friend to receive the rebate (even if you download the rebate coupon from >their servers). I just ordered a MagicStomp from AMS for $139.95. Taking >the rebate into account gave me an effective price of ~$99 -- quite a bit >lower than the $299 list. > >For those of you not familiar, the MagicStomp is a "best of" pedal which >steals algorithms and patches from Yamaha's previous UD-, DL-, & AG-Stomp >boxes, and places them together with some of the patches from the newer >SPX-series rackmount effects units. More background at: >http://www.magicstomp.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 07:56:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFCsuq16033; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:54:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:54:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c4caad$8dd02d40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <005701c4ca85$237aad80$6801a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:53:42 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, 14 November, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff > Thanks for sharing. You just urged me to buy both of Fripp's live > Soundscapes CDs. Perhaps vol. 3 will be with the EDPs....yet another big > name sponsor. > > K- There's more than two - but I'd recommend starting with "A Blessing Of Tears" and "November Suite". (The most ambient and moving and containing the least edgy pitch shifted screachiness) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 08:03:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFD2MP17022; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT need Axon help Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:00:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:54:22 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.249.105 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an Axon NGC-66 and wonder if there are other Axon users on this list who could give me some advice. Playing regular notes works ok but when I bend strings, make a glissando upward to another fret, or hammer with a finger of the left hand, the new pitch is not correctly recognized by the Axon. The resulting pitch is always too low, e.g. when I hammer a minor third upward from the current position, the result is only one half note, or less. This seems to be independent of the sound module that I'm using (mostly, VST instruments, and currently an old Emax sampler). I'm sure there is a way to make the Axon work correctly but I don't understand how to do it. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 09:03:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFE1iw23135; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pe0TZcdVNOksRcQ6UZv9/elOI/SmmiDByRCXG3b07ffNUKVR6JJt8dBOdWR6SK9f+cKrhx0Y93cIaMXgHwFtzU7lPNF7W0utWfD25mZdws9wKQHAsWz39cg83pYqhGSTub4WV1Y7PhHGAQ9SZs7aOplXra9GhsRQs7q9FnyvKho= Message-ID: <588ce11d041115060031a8c81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:00:07 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping In-Reply-To: <4F814C34-36E6-11D9-87A2-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 References: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> <4F814C34-36E6-11D9-87A2-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAFE08a22964 Resent-Message-ID: <8UMBB.A.GnF.oZLmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For PCs, I'm a big fan of ELOTTRONIX XL an emulation of Fripp's two tape machine set-up. It's free, and it has a nice "learn" function that makes controlling it with a midi pedal straight-forward http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm It's a VST, so you'll need a VST host program. I use EnergyXT: http://www.xt-hq.com/ Ambiloop is a stand alone PC program. It seems to offer many more features than Ellotronix XL, but it doesn't run as a VST, so I haven't used it. It's also free, and has a very active group at yahoo groups: http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ Have fun, On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:11:18 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > On Nov 15, 2004, at 5:29, Jared McQueen wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, > > using an external input like a MIDI controller? I feel that my ASIO > > 2.0 sound card and fast computer can definitely handle it – there HAS > > to be something out there that can do this. > > I agree with wkramer1@students.depaul.edu that Ableton Live is cool. > But it only does static looping, ie you record a loop and the software > plays it back until you turn it off. I you want to do dynamic looping > you have to open some looping/delay plug-in on an Ableton Live channel > and use that plug-in to overdub layers of audio into the loop. The best > looping plug-in I have found so far is Augustus Loop (OS X only). There > is also the Lexicon PSP42, which is available for both Mac and PC but a > little more CPU intensive and not so packed with cool features as > Augustus Loop. > > If you use an apple machine with OS X another cool combo is to open > Augustus Loop in Numerology.. Numerology is a modular step sequencing > software and when looping audio you can make use of the step sequences > to set up patterns for filters, pitch etc of the loops. You can pretty > much design your own "audio effect processor" and it can all be run in > beat sync. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 12:20:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFHJMM17454; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1100535317.4198d615a2dbf@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:15:17 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [gig announce] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, November 20th, 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 207.20.3.136 Resent-Message-ID: <3OVF5.A.mPE.eTOmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers and Loopies, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live on the Internet on Saturday, November 20th. We'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, November 20th, at 8pm/pst for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: http://www.atomomach.com. We've uploaded some more recordings recently. And a new logo! lol... AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.SoundNWaves.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 14:26:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFJPqs04884; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:25:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:25:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: John McIntyre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Offa the Wall (was: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Anomalous Disturbances) In-Reply-To: <20041114133228.79385.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20041114133228.79385.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The local paper labelled my band Totentanz "the perfect wedding band - for the Bride of Frankenstein." John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 14:39:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFJcfV06813; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Reviewing Loop Music (was RE: Left-handed Compliments From Offa the Wall) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:36:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTLSSlZyrlXOFFxQ1KEc6DxnGFTfgAAGV+A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041115193652.YLJL16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think it's fair to compare improvised looping to composed performances, especially those which include singing or stage movement. At least in my case, improvised looping requires the listener to buy into the experience. Having said that, I sometimes incorporate loops for backup in small groups--and those seldom evoke any response except for comments about the music they support (which are not LOOP MUSIC). Hey Travis, any contributions to this thread? Bouquets and brickbats? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 15:14:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFKAKJ10521; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:10:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.2f669055.2eca6656@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:06:46 EST Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d5.2f669055.2eca6656_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d5.2f669055.2eca6656_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheh, I haven't put out any new material in a while. However,=20 here are a couple of blurbs about my 2001 CD . . . "Feedback shrieks and eBow howls over hypnotic=20 grooves add up to a great soundtrack for a bad dream." -- Matt Blackett, Guitar Player Magazine, July 2002 issue=20 "If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled=20 guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable=20 tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian..."=20 -- Luke Martin, www.splendidezine.com I always get a laugh out of stuff like this. I'm a 51-year- old, grey-bearded white guy who's somewhat overweight=20 and mostly an incompetent putz at most things musical. Little do they know. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1d5.2f669055.2eca6656_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheh,

I haven't put out any new material in a while. However,
here are a couple of blurbs about my 2001 CD . . .

"Feedback shrieks and eBow howls over hypnotic
grooves add up to a great soundtrack for a bad dream."
-- Matt Blackett, Guitar Player Magazine, July 2002 issue

"If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled
guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable
tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian..."
-- Luke Martin, www.splendidezine.com

I always get a laugh out of stuff like this. I'm a 51-year-
old, grey-bearded white guy who's somewhat overweight
and mostly an incompetent putz at most things musical.
Little do they know.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1d5.2f669055.2eca6656_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 15:35:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFKWn813548; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <20041114133228.79385.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7917F04E-3745-11D9-B739-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Offa the Wall (was: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Anomalous Disturbances) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:32:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL That's beautiful! You have to save the review and frame it. On Nov 15, 2004, at 1:25 PM, John McIntyre wrote: > The local paper labelled my band Totentanz "the perfect wedding band - > for > the Bride of Frankenstein." > > John McIntyre > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 15:40:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFKd2Z14674; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:44 -0500 From: jmcquee1@gmu.edu Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4baa314ba2a3.4ba2a34baa31@gmu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAFKbga14448 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awesome, thanks for the feedback guys i'll try these programs out when i get home! and feel free to reply back with any more recommendations you may have for real-time looping programs : ) -jared ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Simon Date: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:00 am Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping > For PCs, I'm a big fan of ELOTTRONIX XL an emulation of Fripp's two > tape machine set-up. It's free, and it has a nice "learn" function > that makes controlling it with a midi pedal straight-forward > http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm > > It's a VST, so you'll need a VST host program. I use EnergyXT: > http://www.xt-hq.com/ > > Ambiloop is a stand alone PC program. It seems to offer many more > features than Ellotronix XL, but it doesn't run as a VST, so I haven't > used it. It's also free, and has a very active group at yahoo groups: > http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > > Have fun, > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:11:18 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Nov 15, 2004, at 5:29, Jared McQueen wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, > > > using an external input like a MIDI controller? I feel that > my ASIO > > > 2.0 sound card and fast computer can definitely handle it – > there HAS > > > to be something out there that can do this. > > > > I agree with wkramer1@students.depaul.edu that Ableton Live is cool. > > But it only does static looping, ie you record a loop and the > software> plays it back until you turn it off. I you want to do > dynamic looping > > you have to open some looping/delay plug-in on an Ableton Live > channel> and use that plug-in to overdub layers of audio into the > loop. The best > > looping plug-in I have found so far is Augustus Loop (OS X > only). There > > is also the Lexicon PSP42, which is available for both Mac and > PC but a > > little more CPU intensive and not so packed with cool features as > > Augustus Loop. > > > > If you use an apple machine with OS X another cool combo is to open > > Augustus Loop in Numerology.. Numerology is a modular step > sequencing> software and when looping audio you can make use of > the step sequences > > to set up patterns for filters, pitch etc of the loops. You can > pretty> much design your own "audio effect processor" and it can > all be run in > > beat sync. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 16:21:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFLKe420171; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041115210201.02807bb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:19:36 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OT need Axon help In-Reply-To: <200411152040.iAFKeqw14916@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411152040.iAFKeqw14916@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 20:40 15/11/04, you wrote: >I have an Axon NGC-66 and wonder if there are other Axon users on this list >who could give me some advice. > >Playing regular notes works ok but when I bend strings, make a glissando >upward to another fret, or hammer with a finger of the left hand, the new >pitch is not correctly recognized by the Axon. The resulting pitch is always >too low, e.g. when I hammer a minor third upward from the current position, >the result is only one half note, or less. This seems to be independent of >the sound module that I'm using (mostly, VST instruments, and currently an >old Emax sampler). > >I'm sure there is a way to make the Axon work correctly but I don't >understand how to do it. hi Michael, I have the Yamaha version of the Axon invention, and it's possible to get the pitch-bend right on that. Can't remember if the Axon has a relevant parameter, but by adjusting the "pitch bend range" on your sound module it's going to be possible to make it all work fine :-) The Yamaha thing has a "Pitch Bend Range" in the "Guitar Setup Parameters". The parameters are each denoted by a letter of the alphabet, the pitch range being "G" Setting the pitch bend here sends a message to the sound module, so I'd hope that fooling around with that will get the result you want. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 17:38:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFMalW31945; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041115213757.0280deb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:32:57 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: mp3 download from Cambridge Loopfest, andybutler In-Reply-To: <200411152040.iAFKeqw14916@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411152040.iAFKeqw14916@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9e2A3.A.EvH.r7SmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's some new audio to download at www.andybutler.com A couple of pieces from my Cambridge Loopfest (2004) performance. The audio comes from the microphone on a video camera, so there's a certain amount of background noise (including my use of the footswitches). ...but this does show off some of the more extreme capabilities of the EDP. ....(although the main intention is just good music) In "tripwire" a loop is built up out of evenly sized fragments, then I halfspeed and overdub a simple figure which interlocks with itself before exploring all the halfSpeed and reverse options "hanging garden" starts out with a loop free introduction, but then builds a simple 2 beat loop into a complex arrangement using Multiply, Nextloop and Overdub. Thanks to Os for making this possible. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 18:37:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAFNaB109145; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:36:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:32:43 -0800 Subject: Re: mp3 download from Cambridge Loopfest, andybutler From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041115213757.0280deb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man that thang is gorgeous > There's some new audio to download at > www.andybutler.com > A couple of pieces from my Cambridge Loopfest (2004) performance. > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 19:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG0hjj19239; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:43:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:43:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: newbie question on real-time computer looping Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:43:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CB3A.8DFA4F70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTKy77VmoLTp0fvRPq4CbSW9Auu4gAqRnKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041115042905.YHQP4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> Message-Id: <20041116004258.EFIK3261.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4nANeD.A.0qE.Y0UmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CB3A.8DFA4F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tias has a nice plugin available for testing: Finally I can offer an Alpha-version to some of you guys! If you haven't done so already, go to http://www.condomo.com/4um , register and apply for the beta-testing, then I'll just add you to the proper group and the Alpha-version will be available for you to download and test, also future betas will show up there. It's only available for windows users, sorry mac-lovers but I haven't had any money to invest in a little development-machine, and I've only tested in it Ableton Live at the moment since it exposes the parameters of the plugin for Midi-functionality (which is crucial for it to work properly) but it's been working to my satisfaction with minor quirks that need to be sorted out so now I figured that you guys should get the chance to test it! See this as a fully functional teaser of what I've been working with. ;) /Tias _____ From: Jared McQueen [mailto:jmcquee1@gmu.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: newbie question on real-time computer looping Hey everyone, I'm new to the world of looping, but am very computer savvy. I've recently been listening to Howie Day and Keller Williams and want to loop using a computer. I just recently bought a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum. Here are the specs: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2ZS_platinum_pro/specs.asp Basically it's a really nice ASIO 2.0 compatible sound card with lots of Ins and Outs. It also has a MIDI controller on it. I've been tooling around with various audio programs, notably real-time effects programs such as Native Instruments Guitar Rig, and other programs that support ASIO 2.0's VST real-time effects. Those programs are great (3 millisecond delay!!!! - not noticeable by human ear) but I wish to do real-time looping - controlled with a MIDI pedal. Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, using an external input like a MIDI controller? I feel that my ASIO 2.0 sound card and fast computer can definitely handle it - there HAS to be something out there that can do this. Thanks guys, -Jared AIM: kgjgm2000 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CB3A.8DFA4F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tias has=20 a nice plugin available for testing:

Finally I can offer an Alpha-version to some of you=20 guys!

If you haven't done so already, go to http://www.condomo.com/4um , = register and=20 apply for the beta-testing, then I'll just add you to the proper group = and the=20 Alpha-version will be available for you to download and test, also = future betas=20 will show up there.

It's only available for windows users, sorry mac-lovers but I haven't = had any=20 money to invest in a little development-machine, and I've only tested in = it=20 Ableton Live at the moment since it exposes the parameters of the plugin = for=20 Midi-functionality (which is crucial for it to work properly) but it's = been=20 working to my satisfaction with minor quirks that need to be sorted out = so now I=20 figured that you guys should get the chance to test it!

See this as a fully functional teaser of what I've been working with. = ;)

/Tias


From: Jared McQueen = [mailto:jmcquee1@gmu.edu]=20
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:30 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: newbie question = on=20 real-time computer looping

Hey everyone, I’m = new to the world=20 of looping, but am very computer savvy.  I’ve recently been = listening to=20 Howie Day and Keller Williams and want to loop using a=20 computer.

 

I just recently bought a = Sound=20 Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum.  Here are the=20 specs:

http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2ZS_platinum_pro/specs.a= sp

 

Basically it’s a = really nice ASIO=20 2.0 compatible sound card with lots of Ins and Outs.  It also has a = MIDI controller on=20 it.

 

I’ve been tooling = around with=20 various audio programs, notably real-time effects programs such as = Native=20 Instruments Guitar Rig, and other programs that support ASIO 2.0’s = VST real-time=20 effects.  Those programs are great (3 millisecond delay!!!! – = not=20 noticeable by human ear) but I wish to do real-time looping – = controlled with a=20 MIDI = pedal.

 

Does anyone know of a = program that=20 would let me loop in real-time, using an external input like a = MIDI controller?  I feel that my ASIO 2.0 = sound card=20 and fast computer can definitely handle it – there HAS to be = something out there=20 that can do this.

 

Thanks=20 guys,

-Jared

 

AIM:=20 kgjgm2000

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CB3A.8DFA4F70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 21:23:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG2LbO01647; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:21:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:21:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:17:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c4cb82$7d47a1d0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4CB3F.6F2461D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1d5.2f669055.2eca6656@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4CB3F.6F2461D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But I've been on and off this list for years, and one of the things Ted Killian is very good at is self-deprication. Chill, Ted! You play just fine. And you appear to be a multi-talented fella, as well. For example, your graphics for the Y2K4 stuff was obviously done by someone who knew what the hell they were doing. Me being a professional graphic artist, I can safely make that statement, yes? And your performances that I have seen, at Y2K2 and Y2K4 were musical and engaging. What's the prob? False modesty can be just as egocentric as false bravado.I know this because I tend to fall into your camp myself. That being said.an Incompetent Putz? Sorry, I'm not buying it. respect, Rich -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Heheheh, I haven't put out any new material in a while. However, here are a couple of blurbs about my 2001 CD . . . "Feedback shrieks and eBow howls over hypnotic grooves add up to a great soundtrack for a bad dream." -- Matt Blackett, Guitar Player Magazine, July 2002 issue "If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian..." -- Luke Martin, www.splendidezine.com I always get a laugh out of stuff like this. I'm a 51-year- old, grey-bearded white guy who's somewhat overweight and mostly an incompetent putz at most things musical. Little do they know. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4CB3F.6F2461D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But I’ve = been on and off this list for years, and one of the things Ted Killian is very = good at is self-deprication.

 

Chill, Ted!  You play just fine.  And you appear to be a = multi-talented fella, as well.  For example, your graphics for the Y2K4 stuff was obviously done = by someone who knew what the hell they were doing.  Me being a professional graphic artist, I can safely make that statement, yes?  And your performances that I have seen, at Y2K2 and Y2K4 were musical and = engaging.  What’s the prob?

 

False modesty can be just as = egocentric as false bravado…I know this because I tend to fall into your camp = myself.  That being said…an = Incompetent Putz?  Sorry, I’m not = buying it.

 

respect,

Rich

 

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 15, = 2004 12:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall

 

Heheheh,

I haven't put out any new material in a while. However,
here are a couple of blurbs about my 2001 CD . . .

"Feedback shrieks and eBow howls over hypnotic
grooves add up to a great soundtrack for a bad dream."
-- Matt Blackett, Guitar Player Magazine, July 2002 issue

"If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled
guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable
tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian..."
-- Luke Martin, www.splendidezine.com

I always get a laugh out of stuff like this. I'm a 51-year-
old, grey-bearded white guy who's somewhat overweight
and mostly an incompetent putz at most things musical.
Little do they know.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4CB3F.6F2461D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 15 23:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG4LBt15195; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.2b25594d.2ecada01@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:20:17 EST Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a4.2b25594d.2ecada01_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <-Hy3VD.A.NsD.KAYmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a4.2b25594d.2ecada01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Rich, In a message dated 11/15/04 18:22:54, thetoyroom@comcast.net writes: > False modesty can be just as egocentric as false bravado=E2=80=A6 >=20 Would that it were "false." I guess I just expect a lot of myself and always find I come up way short. I'd have no trouble ever=20 having a "big head" about anything I do or have done if I could only ever manage to feel quite good enough about any of it=20 to have one. Far from being "falsely modest," I like to think of=20 myself as a rather unavoidably compulsive unflinching realist=20 who can't help but face up to the knowledge (in his heart of hearts)=20 that, even though he enjoys the "putzing around" musically it's=20 not great art, nor particularly meaningful in the "grand scheme=20 of things" -- and never will be (even though that would be my fondest wish). Therefore, I find it much more useful, when=20 I spy my reflection in a mirror (or in the mirror of my own work) to be the first to see the object worthy of ridicule that is there,=20 stick a pin in my own balloon (of an ego) and laugh at my own=20 prideful conceit, ignorance and stupidity. Then, move on and try=20 to do better. It's not an affectation. It's the real me folks. Maybe that IS egocentric. But it's an honest sort of egocentricity. Best regards, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1a4.2b25594d.2ecada01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Rich,

In a message dated 11/15/04 18:22:54, thetoyroom@comcast.net writes:

False modesty can be=20= just as egocentric as false bravado=E2=80=A6

Would that it were "false." I guess I just expect a lot of myself
and always find I come up way short. I'd have no trouble ever
having a "big head" about anything I do or have done if I could
only ever manage to feel quite good enough about any of it
to have one. Far from being "falsely modest," I like to think of
myself as a rather unavoidably compulsive unflinching realist
who can't help but face up to the knowledge (in his heart of hearts)
that, even though he enjoys the "putzing around" musically it's
not great art, nor particularly meaningful in the "grand scheme
of things"  -- and never will be (even though that would be
my fondest wish). Therefore, I find it much more useful, when
I spy my reflection in a mirror (or in the mirror of my own work)
to be the first to see the object worthy of ridicule that is there,
stick a pin in my own balloon (of an ego) and laugh at my own
prideful conceit, ignorance and stupidity. Then, move on and try
to do better. It's not an affectation. It's the real me folks.
Maybe that IS egocentric. But it's an honest sort of egocentricity.

Best regards,

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1a4.2b25594d.2ecada01_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 00:13:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG5BTP20553; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:11:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1CTvcF1Owz-0006AF@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:10:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTLmqfQs/zXh6pRTDi9t0pNaT6ZLA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this is an older thread, but a few were wondering what the Digitech Space Station sounds like...well, I found a page: http://www.effector13.com/GPA/audioarchive/ Sounds like a lot of the 'strings' are just pitch shifted delays, but they are fun! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 00:14:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG5E0Z21061; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:14:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:11:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c4cb9a$aeda9820$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4CB57.A0B75820" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1a4.2b25594d.2ecada01@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4CB57.A0B75820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haha. Good thoughts, Ted.you have a kindred spirit residing in So. Cal., I can tell you that! In my opinion, there are deeper currents of why we feel we 'come up short'., but that's a long winded thread that is terribly off topic and probably too personal for the wonder that is the internet. IMO, we move forward on things we continue to find interesting, fulfilling and 'fun'. Or for more selfish reasons such as money, power, adulation, etc. I feel most of us here are driven by the former. That and a serious case of G.A.S., perhaps! There is no way you would have traveled the distance you did to perform at the loopfests, if you felt the only thing you were going to get out of it was expressing to the world your shortcomings. Something motivated you. I guess what I'm saying is that "that" is apparent in your work. So hearing you slag yourself (which you are humorously very good at) doesn't suit you! How much 'better' would you have to be to be part of the 'grand scheme of things'? Aren't we really all part of the grand scheme, anyway? Ok, back to my dinner and martini.hehe.damn, I'm making good martini's lately. Seeya! Peace. rich -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Rich, In a message dated 11/15/04 18:22:54, thetoyroom@comcast.net writes: False modesty can be just as egocentric as false bravado. Would that it were "false." I guess I just expect a lot of myself and always find I come up way short. I'd have no trouble ever having a "big head" about anything I do or have done if I could only ever manage to feel quite good enough about any of it to have one. Far from being "falsely modest," I like to think of myself as a rather unavoidably compulsive unflinching realist who can't help but face up to the knowledge (in his heart of hearts) that, even though he enjoys the "putzing around" musically it's not great art, nor particularly meaningful in the "grand scheme of things" -- and never will be (even though that would be my fondest wish). Therefore, I find it much more useful, when I spy my reflection in a mirror (or in the mirror of my own work) to be the first to see the object worthy of ridicule that is there, stick a pin in my own balloon (of an ego) and laugh at my own prideful conceit, ignorance and stupidity. Then, move on and try to do better. It's not an affectation. It's the real me folks. Maybe that IS egocentric. But it's an honest sort of egocentricity. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4CB57.A0B75820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Haha…

Good thoughts, Ted…you have a kindred spirit residing in So. Cal., I can tell you that!

In my opinion, there are deeper = currents of why we feel we ‘come up short’., but that’s a long winded thread that is terribly off topic and = probably too personal for the wonder that is the = internet.

 

IMO, we move forward on things we = continue to find interesting, fulfilling and ‘fun’.  Or for more selfish reasons = such as money, power, adulation, etc.  = I feel most of us here are driven by the former.  That and a serious case of = G.A.S., perhaps!

 

There is no way you would have = traveled the distance you did to perform at the loopfests, if you felt the only thing you were going to get out of it was expressing to = the world your shortcomings.  = Something motivated you.  I guess what = I’m saying is that “that” is apparent in your work.  So hearing you slag yourself = (which you are humorously very good at) doesn’t suit = you!

 

How much ‘better’ would = you have to be to be part of the ‘grand scheme of things’?  Aren’t we really all part = of the grand scheme, anyway?

 

Ok, back to my dinner and = martini…hehe…damn, I’m making good = martini’s lately.

 

Seeya!  = Peace…

 

rich

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November = 15, 2004 8:20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall

 

Rich,

In a message dated 11/15/04 18:22:54, thetoyroom@comcast.net writes:


False modesty can be just as = egocentric as false bravado…


Would that it were "false." I guess I just expect a lot of = myself
and always find I come up way short. I'd have no trouble ever
having a "big head" about anything I do or have done if I = could
only ever manage to feel quite good enough about any of it
to have one. Far from being "falsely modest," I like to think = of
myself as a rather unavoidably compulsive unflinching realist
who can't help but face up to the knowledge (in his heart of hearts) =
that, even though he enjoys the "putzing around" musically = it's
not great art, nor particularly meaningful in the "grand scheme =
of things"  -- and never will be (even though that would = be
my fondest wish). Therefore, I find it much more useful, when
I spy my reflection in a mirror (or in the mirror of my own work)
to be the first to see the object worthy of ridicule that is there,
stick a pin in my own balloon (of an ego) and laugh at my own
prideful conceit, ignorance and stupidity. Then, move on and try
to do better. It's not an affectation. It's the real me folks.
Maybe that IS egocentric. But it's an honest sort of egocentricity.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4CB57.A0B75820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 01:44:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG6hTC30152; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rA++yx48mB1tOZOar+zenCOHfFUrpZh+bkwc98Vt21I/SGOE70+sKxSWRAymXx3wWLjHDgMn8zX3Alhuj0UiSorrMaplhgr7kcJ2s3HXnfq5y5LBETi1H46AWBdnsbysPMUJF6D+YZmBhjfhKSHAlQa2Zx2szagnpBzuwG5dHD0= ; Message-ID: <20041116064241.90371.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411152040.iAFKeqm14919@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where was the gig???? I didn't hear about this happening... :o( Private gig at a weekend seminar. Tony Blake (a longtime frined of Robert's) was one of the guest speakers. Members of the Seattle Guitar Circle were invited specially for the Soundscapes. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 02:39:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG7d7I05572; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:39:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:39:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:36:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Space Station From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1CTvcF1Owz-0006AF@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this is an older thread, but a few were wondering what the Digitech > Space Station sounds like...well, I found a page: > http://www.effector13.com/GPA/audioarchive/ > Sounds like a lot of the 'strings' are just pitch shifted delays, but they > are fun! > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > great page... now if anyone knows where to get these(mine) fixed(besides )? thanx if ya do. stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 02:47:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG7lDm06782; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:47:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041116064241.90371.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Where was the gig???? I didn't hear about this happening... :o( > > Private gig at a weekend seminar. Tony Blake (a longtime frined of Robert's) > was one of the > guest speakers. Members of the Seattle Guitar Circle were invited specially > for the Soundscapes. these things usually get videoed either surreptitiously or not...any chance this one did for surreptitious viewing? stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 03:41:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAG8dQY12115; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:39:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:38:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 16, 2004, at 1:44 AM, wrote: > these things usually get videoed either surreptitiously or not...any > chance > this one did for surreptitious viewing? that is unpossible. the perched alien would have sensed the presence of soul-sucking videography gear and hit presets 23 and 9 in unison on the two H3500s. the four-voice downward-moving feedback pitch shifting which ensued would have certainly fried the EPROM in the camera and wiped the tape with it's directed sonic EMP. i'm sure it would have also unbuckled the trousers of the tapist leaving him look like a goon in the middle of the philosophy seminar. i'm not joking. 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hi all

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 10:55:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGFrtQ01076; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:53:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:53:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1cc.2cb54861.2ecb7c34@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:52:20 EST Subject: Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1100620340" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5033 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1100620340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Kloubechar (sp, sorry) was using a floor effects pedal that could do 5 or 6 simultaneous loops. Michael what was that? Thanks, James -------------------------------1100620340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Michael Kloubechar (sp, sorry) was using a floor effects pedal t= hat could do 5 or 6 simultaneous loops. Michael what was that?
 
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X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:52 AM -0500 11/16/04, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > Michael Kloubechar (sp, sorry) was using a floor effects pedal >that could do 5 or 6 simultaneous loops. Michael what was that? From the Y2K3 CD, Volume 1: 1. Michael Klobuchar "Mon Petite Choux" -- Looped guitar (Carvin AE-185 > Alesis "Ineko" > Boomerang > p.a.). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 13:26:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGIOrf20521; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.244.241] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:23:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2004 18:24:10.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[77908B30:01C4CC09] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah Fripp seriously objects to still camera flash bulbs at his gigs,and notices every single one. I suspect videao would be hard to sneak-he'd notice the camera.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 13:26:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGIPk920648; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:25:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:25:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FW: [repeater-users] BIG NEWS FROM ELECTRIX Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:26:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8MPzX.A.J_E.TXkmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cross posting from repeater-users Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile Sent: Dienstag, 16. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 13:57:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGIttD25026; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:55:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:55:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1100612565.21528@mx64a.mysite4now.com> thread-index: AcTL2q0PXw3WbPO8RfOac+V99HXqAAABvhegAAsIhSA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1100631482.23987@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody seen or used this thing? DM -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:dmakoviney@innfinityinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar ElectroKraft Announces Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar Full Press Release: http://gearasaurus.com/content/?a=23&z=3 Classical guitar builder, pickup maker and custom effects pedal builder Tony Amendolare has been immersed in the pursuit of creating electronic musical instruments that spark the imagination and create worlds of new sound. "I was intrigued by other synthesizers that were constructed like guitars, such as those made by Casio in the 80's. I wanted to make something that sounded very "fat" and full, and could be controlled like a guitar with a fretboard. I also wanted to create an instrument that exhibited the look and aesthetics of something "Sci-Fi", like what you would see in one of those post apocalyptic science fiction films like "Blade Runner". " Another important element was to incorporate "expressive control" elements like the theremin photocell which controls some of the frequency settings, and the responsive touch sensitive fretboard which you can play like a guitar. These things make the Axe*Synth much more than a synthesizer most people are used to. Inside there are two oscillators which can be played separately and/or simultaneously for 2 voice polyphony. The oscillators can also be combined via the internal ring modulator with the flick of a switch. There is a frequency filter that can be used to further shape and enhance tone. A Theremin? Yes. There is a photocell contained inside a lens on top of the body that will react to light and shadow. Waving your "picking hand" over it will create changes in frequencies while your fretting hand plays notes on the fretboard. Further frequency adjustments can be made "on the fly" by turning the frequency adjustment knob while playing notes with your other hand. The photocell theremin effect can be turned off leaving you with just the notes being played on the fretboard. Conversely the fretboard can be turned off allowing only the photocell control and transforming the Axe*Synth into a "light theremin". There is no "tracking" or MIDI involved here. Everything that is produced comes directly from inside the Axe*Synth. Standard 1/4" in/out jacks, 9 Volt universal adapter power jack and power indicator LED. It's a combination of digital and analog circuitry encased in all aluminum alloy construction. You can see the Axe*Synth in action with video demonstrations on the company's web site. Price: $549.00. Available direct from ElectroKraft Full Article: http://gearasaurus.com/content/?a=23&z=3 For more information, visit their web site at www.electrokraft.com. Full Article: http://gearasaurus.com/content/?a=23&z=3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 14:02:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGJ1If25893; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:01:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:00:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <157.43d7166a.2ecb9c13@aol.com> References: <157.43d7166a.2ecb9c13@aol.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted (or should I call you 'Ars'?), I own CDs by several members (and former members) of this list and have downloaded the music of quite a few more. Much of it is good, some of it less good. But your 'putzing about' with a guitar and sundry electronica is certainly the most frequent guest in my CD-player. Make of that what you will ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 14:29:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGJQU329481; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:25:54 -0700 Message-Id: <200411161925.iAGJPs132070@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: New processor? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.18.125 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just found this, no idea if he means it http://www.jesusonic.com/index.php Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 15:00:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGK03O02224; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.34.50.230] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: drum machines/samplers Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:56:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2004 19:57:02.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[70B56760:01C4CC16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, is there anyone that can suggest a good drum machine, rythym producer of some sort within a reasonable price range, one that i can create my own beats with and manipulate them in real time, something that would be easy to use in a live performance and has good sound to it? always looking for recommendations from fellow loopers. it's easier to trust your opinions that the ones they give on musician's friend, etc., thanks, andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 15:04:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGK2pw02836; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:02:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:02:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.244.241] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" Subject: FILE SYMPOSIUM 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:00:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2004 20:01:00.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE937540:01C4CC16] Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: FILE , FILE , FILE , FILE , FILE , FILE , FILE Sent: Nov 16, 2004 9:38 AM NEWSLETTER///   ELECTRONIC LANGUAGE INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL   NOVEMBER 16TH 2004/// SÃO PAULO/// BRAZIL/// 16 DE NOVEMBRO DE 2004/// SÃO PAULO/// BRASIL///     FILE SYMPOSIUM 2004 ///ENTRY FORM The FILE Symposium 2004 pré-inscription is now on-line. The 3rd Edition of the FILE Symposium will be held at the mezzanine of Centro Cultural FIESP from November 23rd to 26th, where 40 lectures will be presented by national and international professionals, discussing and tackle the electronic-digital culture in its relations to art, science and technologies. See the programme.  [+] Click here to access the entry form  [+] Click here to access the FILE 2004 hotsite  [+] FILE SYMPOSIUM 2004 ///PRÉ-INSCRIĮÃO Estão abertas as pré-inscriįões para o FILE Symposium 2004. A 3a ediįão do FILE Symposium será realizada no Mezanino do Centro Cultural FIESP, de 23 a 26 de novembro. Serão 40 palestras de profissionais nacionais e internacionais, discutindo a cultura-digital eletrônica em suas relaįões com a arte, as cięncias e as tecnologias. Veja a programaįão  [+] Clique aqui para acessar a ficha de pré-inscriįão  [+] Clique aqui para acessar site de lanįamento do FILE 2004  [+]
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 15:26:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGKOvh06297; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:24:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:20:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3HUEuB.A.VeB.tGmmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yeah Fripp seriously objects to still camera flash bulbs at his gigs,and > notices every single one. I suspect videao would be hard to sneak-he'd > notice the camera. yeah thats true. howsome ever i hold in my greesee paws a video: ROBERT FRIPP 27-Jan-95 San Diego,Ca. and its la fripp in all his soundscape glory shot from the table *right in front of him!*-man he gets those swirls just a swirlin around the stereo speakers real good! its funny-the guy who videoed this has a shot of the warning on the door: "NO CAMERAS-NO VIDEOTAPING-NO AUDIO TAPING" at the beginning of this show. also when robert 1st comes out-he sits on his stool and starts stepping on buttons for along time and...nothing. finally a coupla techs come out and trace all his lines on the floor and he finally gets some sound. its nice to see a big league player go thru all the travails us regular looper peeps go thru-but...he didnt sweat :-) seeya stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 16:25:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGLNA015481; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: drum machines/samplers Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:21:59 +0000 Message-Id: <111620042121.16626.419A6F77000ABBAC000040F222007503300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 11 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <2wpi8D.A.ovD.D-mmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For that purpose, I would take a look at the Korg grooveboxes, depending on what style of music you want to play. IMO, they kick ass over Roland's standard drum machines as far as live manipulation and instant 'fun' factor. Take a look at the ER-1 and the ES-1, both are similar in layout and features, but the ES-1 is a sampler, and you can sample or load your own sounds into it via a smart media card. That would take care of your 'good sounds' requirement. The samples are at 32khz, so they lose a bit of air and sizzle off the top end, but I think it sounds pretty good, overall. the ES-1 is also released as an upgraded Mk II version, that has better routing, construction and features, a valve output section, and samples at a higher quality. It's also pretty pricey, at the moment. the Mk I machines are plentiful on Ebay. In fact, if you are interested in a mint condition ES-1, with SM card (32mb, I think), power supply, manual, and in the original packaging....drop me an email privately. I'm selling mine. If you are interested, look at what they are selling on ebay and make me a reasonable offer. hope that helps, Rich > hello, is there anyone that can suggest a good drum machine, rythym producer > of some sort within a reasonable price range, one that i can create my own > beats with and manipulate them in real time, something that would be easy to > use in a live performance and has > good sound to it? always looking for recommendations from fellow loopers. > it's easier to trust your opinions that the ones they give on musician's > friend, etc., thanks, andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 16:32:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGLVQM17541; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: drum machines/samplers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <6BbNrD.A.8LE.jFnmBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Andy Morris wrote: > hello, is there anyone that can suggest a good drum machine, rythym producer > of some sort within a reasonable price range, one that i can create my own > beats with and manipulate them in real time, something that would be easy to > use in a live performance and has good sound to it? Korg ER1. If you want electornic wacky sounds there is none better. If you're looking for realistic type things you'd probably be better off with something like a Boss Dr Rhythm or Alesis SR16 but those don't have much in the way of real time manipulations. Try the ER1 even if you don't think you'd lean towards electornic sounds. You will not find an easier drum machine with more live control anywhere near the price or capabilites. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 16:40:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGLaun18552; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.43f15177.2ecbccbd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:35:57 EST Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.43f15177.2ecbccbd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15d.43f15177.2ecbccbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian, In a message dated 11/16/04 11:00:29, iep@mail.dk writes: > Ted (or should I call you 'Ars'?), >=20 ArsOcarina is the name of my publishing company. Think Latin. If "ars nova" would be "new arts. " Then "ars ocarina" would be "ocarina arts" or perhaps a little more obscurely, "goose-egg arts" (and by extension, colloquially,=20 "zero arts"). I have a fondness for Latin for some peculiar reason (no I am not Catholic). Maybe it just makes me feel "smarter" for using it -- or it gives= =20 me the illusion of intelligence. I also have a couple of ocarinas and play=20 them. > I own CDs by several members (and former members) of this list and have > downloaded the music of quite a few more. Much of it is good, some of > it less good. But your 'putzing about' with a guitar and sundry > electronica is certainly the most frequent guest in my CD-player. Make > of that what you will ... >=20 Well, er . . . thanks! The two half-day sessions it took to record were a=20 high point of my musical life that I am still trying to recapture fragments=20 of somehow -- one of those rare instances where you leap from the cliff=20 edge and miraculously find yourself flying. That it happened on two=20 consecutive days in a row is a buoying thought that gives me hope=20 it will happen again someday.=20 People have continually said some really nice things about it. This tends=20 to confirm to me the idea that something different (from normal) was=20 happening at the time. But, it seems almost as inappropriate for me to=20 wholly take credit for it as it would to take credit for a sunset or a=20 rainbow.=20 I know that's got to sound really, really odd. But that's the conviction I=20 have.=20 It (the music in those 10 improvs) frankly seems to have been coming=20 from a place (within or without) that I have no control over and cannot=20 conjure on demand.=20 The idea that you enjoyed it DOES make me glad, however. Thanks! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_15d.43f15177.2ecbccbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian,

In a message dated 11/16/04 11:00:29, iep@mail.dk writes:

Ted (or should I call= you 'Ars'?),

ArsOcarina is the name of my publishing company. Think Latin. If "ars nova"<= BR> would be "new arts. " Then "ars ocarina" would be "ocarina arts" or perhaps<= BR> a little more obscurely, "goose-egg arts" (and by extension, colloquially, "= zero
arts"). I have a fondness for Latin for some peculiar reason (no I am not Catholic). Maybe it just makes me feel "smarter" for using it -- or it gives=
me the illusion of intelligence. I also have a couple of ocarinas and play t= hem.

I own CDs by several=20= members (and former members) of this list and have
downloaded the music of quite a few more. Much of it is good, some of
it less good. But your 'putzing about' with a guitar and sundry
electronica is certainly the most frequent guest in my CD-player. Make
of that what you will ...

Well, er . . . thanks! The two half-day sessions it took to record were a high point of my musical life that I am still trying to recapture fragments=20=
of somehow -- one of those rare instances where you leap from the cliff
edge and miraculously find yourself flying. That it happened on two
consecutive days in a row is a buoying thought that gives me hope
it will happen again someday.

People have continually said some really nice things about it. This tends to confirm to me the idea that something different (from normal) was
happening at the time. But, it seems almost as inappropriate for me to
wholly take credit for it as it would to take credit for a sunset or a rainb= ow.
I know that's got to sound really, really odd. But that's the conviction I h= ave.
It (the music in those 10 improvs) frankly seems to have been coming
from a place (within or without) that I have no control over and cannot
conjure on demand.

The idea that you enjoyed it DOES make me glad, however. Thanks!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_15d.43f15177.2ecbccbd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 16:52:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGLoVO21371; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <157.43d7166a.2ecb9c13@aol.com> References: <157.43d7166a.2ecb9c13@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <73DF5A4D-3819-11D9-882D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:49:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 16, 2004, at 19:08, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Myself, I HAVE had my rare "WOW!" moments, but (painfully) 90% or > more of the time I'm just another hopeless punter and a bit of a > clueless > dweeb hoping against hope that the "muse" will one day mistakenly > strike > me again and that the next gig will be another one of those ones that > is truly, truly DIFFERENT. This is pretty much the general conditions for anyone born as a human being. > It's a little like being given the power of flight -- but only > intermittently > (and rarely at that). One day you soar, the next 10 you leap and fall > on your ass. Your ass hurts -- a lot. I still don't think there's much of a difference for different people. Those who manage to get up high on the first try will only find a second sky to climb, and a third one, and then a fourth... There is a certain element of unique expression in all music and usually the last person to notice this element is the creator of the music. I was once working as a writer in a team and one day the project leader took me to visit one of the graphical designers. The designer was a very nice guy, now working on a poster. He showed off his work and since I didn't think it was very good I did not say much. But the project leader kept encouraging the designer and saying it was "so good". When we got out from on the street the project leader said to me "No matter how good they are, these creative people always think they suck big time. You have to constantly keep reminding them that they are great, 'cause if you forget to do so you will not get the best work from them". As time went by it appeared that the poster was actually good and I even came to broaden my references to understand why. 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It also does live midi looping, of a sort. The beat garden ROM is pretty cool. On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:56:06 +0000, Andy Morris wrote: > hello, is there anyone that can suggest a good drum machine, rythym producer > of some sort within a reasonable price range, one that i can create my own > beats with and manipulate them in real time, something that would be easy to > use in a live performance and has > good sound to it? always looking for recommendations from fellow loopers. > it's easier to trust your opinions that the ones they give on musician's > friend, etc., thanks, andy > > -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- To: Subject: RE: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:51:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <15d.43f15177.2ecbccbd@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it has a lot to do with attitude, expectation and things that can be overwhelming and eventually inhibiting. I can recommend this book which deals exactly with these issues: Kenny Werner: "Effortless Mastery". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156224003X I've been told this is good, too: Stephen Nachmanovitch "Free Play". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0874776317/qid=1100644976 Haven't seen it myself. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Dienstag, 16. November 2004 22:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Well, er . . . thanks! The two half-day sessions it took to record were a high point of my musical life that I am still trying to recapture fragments of somehow -- one of those rare instances where you leap from the cliff edge and miraculously find yourself flying. That it happened on two consecutive days in a row is a buoying thought that gives me hope it will happen again someday. People have continually said some really nice things about it. This tends to confirm to me the idea that something different (from normal) was happening at the time. But, it seems almost as inappropriate for me to wholly take credit for it as it would to take credit for a sunset or a rainbow. I know that's got to sound really, really odd. But that's the conviction I have. It (the music in those 10 improvs) frankly seems to have been coming from a place (within or without) that I have no control over and cannot conjure on demand. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 18:34:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGNUWi04937; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:30:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:30:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419A8D84.208@ripco.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:30:12 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?looping_at_the_Viaduct=2C_Chicago_-_?= =?windows-1252?Q?Final_Performances=2C_The_Perimeter=2C_November?= =?windows-1252?Q?_18=9721?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to everyone who has attended so far! And for those who haven't yet... Come experience the FINAL PERFORMANCES of The Perimeter, an original interdisciplinary work of action-based theater performance.. The Perimeter was created collaboratively by Plasticene's actors, designers, and director. It is an exploration that integrates highly physically, non-verbal theater with video, light, electronic music and noise. It is also an exploration of how central power exerts its influence at the geographical and human edges of authority. Its stories and images are based in part on recent events, such as the Abu Ghraib prison torture scandal, and our research of diverse academic and literary resources, among them the Stanford Prison Experiment, and J.M. Coetzee's novel, Waiting For the Barbarians. The Perimeter is directed by Sharon Göpfert, and performed by Mark Comiskey, Luis Crespo, Tere Parkes, Brian Shaw, and Nana Shineflug, with lighting design by Carrie Kennedy, real-time video projections by Stephan Mazurek, costumes by Camilla Ha, assistant direction by Michael Macias, and stage management by Leigh Barrett. The Perimeter received a critics' choice in the music section of the Chicago Reader and a good review on Chicagonoise.net . Sun-Times theater critic, Hedy Wiess wrote, "No other theater company in this city approaches story-telling in the same way as Plasticene...no other ensemble draws its audience into the story telling with quite the same ferocity and strange sense of exhilaration." Chicago Tribune theater critic, Chris Jones, wrote, "...well-performed, visually arresting and consistently engaging." The Perimeter is, in part, an experiment in live performance of electronic music and sound with in the context of theater. The interface for controlling the sound often uses the action of Plasticene's actors. This interface was developed with a custom built USB controller, handmade sensors, and software built in Max/MSP by Robb Drinkwater, my fellow sound faculty member at the School of Art Institute of Chicago. Much of the music I've created is loop based, performed on my laptop using samples derived from both acoustic "concrete" and electronic sources. The predominant concrete sounds are from the South American berimbau, feedback recorded through PVC pipes, and field recordings made in the Blackwell Forest Preserve (Warrenville, Illinois) at dusk. The sounds of wind were synthesized with Robb's "wind generator" Max/MSP patch. All of this is played through a five-channel surround playback system. Two Mp3 audio samples are up now on my "composer and performer" page . The Perimeter will be performed 8:00 pm on Thursday, November 18 and Friday, November 19, with two shows on Saturday, at 8:00 and 10:30 pm. Closing night performance: 7:00 pm, Sunday, November 21, at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave., Chicago. Tickets are $15-$20, $10 rush tickets available to students an hour before showtime. Seating is limited so call now for reservations 312-409-0400. The Viaduct is just South of Belmont Ave. Parking under the viaduct is always available, under the east side of the Western-Belmont overpass - between Barry and Fletcher, 1-1/2 blocks south of the Belmont-Western-Clybourn intersection. CTA: 49-Western bus to Barry or 77-Belmont bus to Western Ave. Viaduct website: http://www.viaducttheater.com/ Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Final performances of Plasticene's "The Perimeter", an original theater work featuring live electronic music and sensor technologies created with Robb Drinkwater, and video by Stephan Mazurek, Thu-Sun, November 18-21, at the Viaduct Theater, 3111 N. Western, Chicago. $15-$20, $10 rush tickets available to students an hour before show-time, reservations: 312-409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 18:54:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAGNqaU08073; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jazz Samples and Acid4 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:51:55 +0000 Message-Id: <111620042351.11460.419A929B0008A7A200002CC421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For jazz drums I recommend the Peter Erskine Living drums CD from Sampleheads...dang, I just tried to go to the sampleheads web site and it says they are no longer in business! Get 'em while you can: I love these samples and use them for my Jazz Looping Pedalboard. I just posted some new pics and mp3s of the recently-rebuilt setup: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 19:24:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH0McW12173; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:22:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:22:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vMdRB3+0xdACXRn6fM0rkVJ2mntXmdLGhjsIBqQJkpQtKA9bllEfr7EfehhuK3B5LY8xPvbLiVLjfzYB28n1E9UYifo71lcKMuj4T69SFmRylfi9OcafVeKSGz0h0cLpszNCT7dWeubglnoWm9sPpn2fCCUhYsctaS4MAuVJWaU= ; Message-ID: <20041117002203.29225.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <73DF5A4D-3819-11D9-882D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > ...a second sky to climb... If Per has no objection, I'm snagging that one for a tune title! :D -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 20:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH1If721541; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c4cbde$bef015c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: Subject: Re: Fripp soundscapes and gear stuff Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:18:21 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Yeah Fripp seriously objects to still camera flash bulbs at his gigs,and > > notices every single one. I hear he won't even allow Flash on his website... Cheers + ;) Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 16 23:35:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH4VBV14516; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:31:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:31:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <36.66efc9cf.2ecc2d98@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:29:12 EST Subject: Re: Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.66efc9cf.2ecc2d98_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_36.66efc9cf.2ecc2d98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/04 10:54:01 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > Michael Kloubechar (sp, sorry) was using a floor effects pedal that could > do 5 or 6 simultaneous loops. Michael what was that? > wow james, i wish i was there for that.....:).....when was i doing this?.....michael klobuchar --part1_36.66efc9cf.2ecc2d98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/16/04 10:54:01 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:


Michael Kloubechar (sp, sorry)=20= was using a floor effects pedal that could do 5 or 6 simultaneous loops. Mic= hael what was that?


wow james, i wish i was there for that.....:).....when was i doing this?....= .michael klobuchar --part1_36.66efc9cf.2ecc2d98_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 00:17:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH5FoT20717; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jared McQueen" To: Subject: RE: newbie question on real-time computer looping Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:14:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcTK85BMJlxDRH4TQKWTWNti+K3CVgBcIxBA In-Reply-To: <4F814C34-36E6-11D9-87A2-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Message-Id: <20041117051346.QQI4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAH5Dra20443 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried out Lexicon PSP42.. it looks pretty cool but I have no idea how it works. I was wondering if you could help me figure out how to use to achieve the looping I'm trying to do. -jared -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping On Nov 15, 2004, at 5:29, Jared McQueen wrote: > Does anyone know of a program that would let me loop in real-time, > using an external input like a MIDI controller?  I feel that my ASIO > 2.0 sound card and fast computer can definitely handle it – there HAS > to be something out there that can do this. I agree with wkramer1@students.depaul.edu that Ableton Live is cool. But it only does static looping, ie you record a loop and the software plays it back until you turn it off. I you want to do dynamic looping you have to open some looping/delay plug-in on an Ableton Live channel and use that plug-in to overdub layers of audio into the loop. The best looping plug-in I have found so far is Augustus Loop (OS X only). There is also the Lexicon PSP42, which is available for both Mac and PC but a little more CPU intensive and not so packed with cool features as Augustus Loop. If you use an apple machine with OS X another cool combo is to open Augustus Loop in Numerology.. Numerology is a modular step sequencing software and when looping audio you can make use of the step sequences to set up patterns for filters, pitch etc of the loops. You can pretty much design your own "audio effect processor" and it can all be run in beat sync. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 00:27:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH5PnW22664; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411152040.iAFKeqq14918@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411152040.iAFKeqq14918@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <13B6F117-3859-11D9-8438-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:25:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <24apPD.A.0gF.GDumBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think it's available until the end of this month, according to Musician's Friend. They both have the same list price, but the Magic Stomp has been around longer and has probably already started to display the lack of sales activity that killed the AG/DG/UD Stomp boxes, so it's being discounted. My understanding was that all the Stomp series used the same DSP engine, but the Magic boxes ditch most of the dedicated knobs in favor of three soft knobs and the edit-on-the-computer-via USB option, which sounds like the standard Yamaha PITA to me. I quite like the AG and UD Stomps, but the interface is not their strong point, even with the dedicated knobs. TH On Nov 15, 2004, at 12:40 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > From: Elby > Date: November 15, 2004 1:59:10 AM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX > > > Has anyone had a chance to try the Acoustic MagicStomp? It's more > expensive than the "standard model", I wonder how it compares, and how > it compares to it's predecessor the AG-stomp. Any opinions? > > Thanks, > Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 01:24:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH6O0O31363; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:24:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:24:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Yamaha Multi-FX Guitar Pedals Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:21:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTMZjMkSSESiPFQTv2pnx7ZV6SVNQABaW0A In-Reply-To: <13B6F117-3859-11D9-8438-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: <20041117062142.JOTI347.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yah, the DG is quite useful--Mark Hamburg alerted the list when they were being blown out--but quite frustrating without a MIDI pedal. And the UD has some beautiful chorus effects. The MagicStomp interface is insanely austere! Gary Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] wrote: the Magic boxes ditch most of the dedicated knobs in favor of three soft knobs and the edit-on-the-computer-via USB option, which sounds like the standard Yamaha PITA to me. I quite like the AG and UD Stomps, but the interface is not their strong point, even with the dedicated knobs. TH On Nov 15, 2004, at 12:40 PM, Elby wrote: > Has anyone had a chance to try the Acoustic MagicStomp? It's more > expensive than the "standard model", I wonder how it compares, and how > it compares to it's predecessor the AG-stomp. Any opinions? > > Thanks, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 01:28:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH6Rwn32225; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr5 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:48:29 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Looping gigs in Japan information Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Looping gigs in Japan information. [Looper's Delight J 4th Round] 21st Nov. '04 @ Club OTOYA,Kobe 22nd Nov. '04 @ COLLAGE,Kyoto 23th Nov. '04 @ cocoroom,Osaka 24th Nov. '04 @ Big Apple,Kobe all gigs featuring: Bernhard Wagner (Guitar,Loops) from Zurich,Switzerland Gareth Whittock (Guitar,Loops) from Wales,UK James H. Sidlo (Guitar,Loops) from Texas,USA Details available below: Looper'S Delight J http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 03:10:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH85NT12134; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041117002203.29225.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041117002203.29225.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <464D1962-386F-11D9-BBF1-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:04:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 17, 2004, at 1:22, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> ...a second sky to climb... > > If Per has no objection, I'm snagging that one for a > tune title! :D > > -t- Sure :-) Snag Ahead! p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 03:37:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAH8aB115689; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:36:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041117051346.QQI4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> References: <20041117051346.QQI4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@jared> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <88F55FE9-3873-11D9-BBF1-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: newbie question on real-time computer looping Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:34:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 17, 2004, at 6:14, Jared McQueen wrote: > I just tried out Lexicon PSP42.. it looks pretty cool but I have no > idea how > it works. I was wondering if you could help me figure out how to use > to > achieve the looping I'm trying to do. > > -jared I think there is a PDF downloadable for free at the PSP web site. So far you have described what you want to do as "to loop in real-time, using an external input like a MIDI controller". So I guess one important step for you is to address the parameters of the PSP42 by external midi. Now, there are certain midi controllers for external control given by the manual, but I never got these parameters to move when I tried sending the given midi controller msgs into the plug-in. Instead I turned to host applications that will let you assign a midi controller to plug-in parameters. Ableton Live is the easiest one, you simply activate "midi learn mode", click on the graphical representation of the parameter and move your physical controller to send a midi msg into Live - done! Also Numerology will also give you access to all parameters of the plug-ins, by defining the midi cc assignments in certain "control modules". Now, exactly which parameters in the PSP42 you need to control is all depending on how you want to loop. There are a bunch of features that come in handy: Freeze Loop, Half Speed (also doubling the loop length), Feedback (better assign it to an expression pedal, knob or fader), Length (also affecting pitch). I'm just picking from my memory here so those functions may be named a bit differently by the manual. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 09:34:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAHEWWl01204; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419B5FB6.1020002@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:27:02 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #399 for November 11, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6lnOHB.A.JM.BC2mBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041111.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #399 November 11, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Soundscape Gallery 2." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Inventions for Electric Guitar" by Manuel Gottsching (Ash Ra Tempel) on PDU Records. Lektronic Soundscapes - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Manuel Gottsching Pluralis * Inventions for Electric Guitar (PDU) Frank Klare First Monument Monumental Dreams (Groove) Harald Grosskopf Circumdpection Yeti Society (Groove) Markus Reuter and This Life Pure (DiN) Ian Boddy Frank Van Bogaert Coming Up for Air Closer (Groove) Greg Davis Clouds As Edges Somnia (Kranky) 12:00 am VA [Alpha Wave Mvmnt.] Across the Abyss of Time Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Jeff Pearce] The Clearing Fog Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Michael Stearns] Hantu Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Bon Lozaga] Will It? Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Hans Christian] In Impermanence Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Michael Huygen] Megaluz Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Caul] The Rising Out of the Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) Vanity of Time VA [Meg Bowles] Lost Lake Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) VA [Mathias Grassow] Vipassana Soundscape Gallery 2 (Lek.S.) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the now defunct Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Soundscape Gallery Volume 3," the last in a series of compilation CDs. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "New Age of Earth" by Ash Ra Tempel (Manuel Gottsching) on Isadora Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 09:39:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAHEcCw03078; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:46:16 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Phasmatodea, Raleigh NC, Thursday night Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <0aLE-.A.6s.nI2mBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I and fellow Loop-D listmember Adrian Likins are playing at this month's 919noisenight event, as our dual Chapman Stick (& theremin) looping [1] instrumental improvisational soundscapes group Phasmatodea this Thursday, 18 November, at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh NC. We'll be the first set at 9:30pm. Cover should be $4-$5 for the performances that evening, I believe. Thanks for your time. [1] Our usual complement of looping gear includes an Akai Headrush (version 1), Boss RC-20 LoopStation, and 2 E-H 16sec delay (reissues). Sometimes a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Rarely an Electrix Repeater. Links: Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Bickett Gallery http://www.bickettgallery.com/08contact.html (map, directions) 919noise http://www.919noise.org/ best, Steve and Adrian - Phasmatodea - http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 09:57:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAHEu3407125; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419B658E.2070001@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:51:58 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 13, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/041113.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the >internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #56 November 13, 2004. On this program, I played the music of Frogg Cafe and Happy the Man. Frogg Cafe will open for Happy the Man at the New Jersey Proghouse concert series on Saturday, November 13 at the Forum Theater in Metuchen, NJ. Visit http://njproghouse.com for details. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Bas Broekhuis Parts 1 and 2 The Escher Drawings (Groove) Create Narissa Reflections from the Inner Light (Groove) Andreas Akwara and Ambush Ambush (Groove) Bjorn Lutz Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Michael Dulin Nocturne Timeless (Equity Digital) Michael Dulin Claire de Lune Timeless (Equity Digital) Steve Hancoff Gypsy Without a Song The Single Petal of a Rose (Out of Time) Steve Hancoff The Single Petal of a The Single Petal of a Rose (Out Rose of Time) Jeff Findl Looking for One Thing Somebody Got Happy Fingers and Finding Another (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== A.C.T. The Wandering Today's Report (Atenzia) Frogg Cafe Creatures Creatures (none) Happy the Man Service With a Smile Crafty Hands (Arista) Neal Morse The Separated Man One (Radiant) Simon Apple The Colours In Between River to the Sea (Trunk) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in four weeks on December 11. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 12:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAHHY7s29587; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20843127.1100712784918.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ocarina... how to access its portable goodness Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAHHX5a29415 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like fun... in spite of my coal-burning phone modem, I'll check out your sounds if the download times are not too onerous, OR perhaps we could trade discs. BTW, my plastic ocarina just makes one irritating note regardless of fingering. One of its holes is labeled "Thumb"... this hole is filled in, just a raised circle but no hole. I know nothing about ocarinas, so I ask your expertness, am I witnessing another example of iffy Chinese workmanship, or are other ocarinas like this? Yours in Thinking Plague, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/mungenast -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Sent: Nov 16, 2004 4:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Left-handed Compliments From Off the Wall Ian,

In a message dated 11/16/04 11:00:29, iep@mail.dk writes:

Ted (or should I call you 'Ars'?),

ArsOcarina is the name of my publishing company. Think Latin. If "ars nova"
would be "new arts. " Then "ars ocarina" would be "ocarina arts" or perhaps
a little more obscurely, "goose-egg arts" (and by extension, colloquially, "zero
arts"). I have a fondness for Latin for some peculiar reason (no I am not
Catholic). Maybe it just makes me feel "smarter" for using it -- or it gives
me the illusion of intelligence. I also have a couple of ocarinas and play them.

I own CDs by several members (and former members) of this list and have
downloaded the music of quite a few more. Much of it is good, some of
it less good. But your 'putzing about' with a guitar and sundry
electronica is certainly the most frequent guest in my CD-player. Make
of that what you will ...

Well, er . . . thanks! The two half-day sessions it took to record were a
high point of my musical life that I am still trying to recapture fragments
of somehow -- one of those rare instances where you leap from the cliff
edge and miraculously find yourself flying. That it happened on two
consecutive days in a row is a buoying thought that gives me hope
it will happen again someday.

People have continually said some really nice things about it. This tends
to confirm to me the idea that something different (from normal) was
happening at the time. But, it seems almost as inappropriate for me to
wholly take credit for it as it would to take credit for a sunset or a rainbow.
I know that's got to sound really, really odd. But that's the conviction I have.
It (the music in those 10 improvs) frankly seems to have been coming
from a place (within or without) that I have no control over and cannot
conjure on demand.

The idea that you enjoyed it DOES make me glad, however. Thanks!

Best regards,

tEd Ū kiLLiAn

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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 12:50:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAHHoF531776; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:50:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:50:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1100712251!23688519!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557EA4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:15:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC9.05AA34B0" Resent-Message-ID: <69YvdC.A.4tH.i74mBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC9.05AA34B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>ElectroKraft Announces Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar [snip] Price: $549.00.<< I just paid exactly that much for an ebay peavey cyberbass. hope I done the right thing...... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC9.05AA34B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar

>>ElectroKraft Announces Axe*Synth Synthesizer/Theremin Guitar [snip] Price: $549.00.<<

I just paid exactly that much for an ebay peavey cyberbass. hope I done the right thing......

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC9.05AA34B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 13:29:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAHIRA204448; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1100712030!23982549!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557EA3@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New processor? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:11:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC8.823A2270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC8.823A2270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Just found this, no idea if he means it<< http://www.jesusonic.com/index.php in the words of graham taylor (former english national soccer coach), "do I not like that!" one wonders, naturally, what else there is under all that wood besides the rest of the laptop..... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC8.823A2270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: New processor?

>>Just found this, no idea if he means it<<

in the words of graham taylor (former english national soccer coach), "do I not like that!"

one wonders, naturally, what else there is under all that wood besides the rest of the laptop.....

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCC8.823A2270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 19:41:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI0dWF30113; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:38:29 EST Subject: Re: Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1100738309" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5033 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1100738309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You had a floor processing unit that could loop? Are am I mistaken. If you give me your address, I'll mail you a copy of the Y2K3 dvd. Probably when I return. Peace, James -------------------------------1100738309 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  You had a floor processing unit that could loop? Are am I mistak= en. If you give me your address, I'll mail you a copy of the Y2K3 dvd. Proba= bly when I return.
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;             Peace, James -------------------------------1100738309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 20:01:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI0xiq02357; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:00:21 -0500 From: Elby Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX In-reply-to: <200411171736.iAHHaJC29988@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: mtman@mail.cloud9.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041117195447.02341d30@mail.cloud9.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200411171736.iAHHaJC29988@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I very recently got the AG at the blowout price. I find the interface just fine, but the range of capabilities pretty limited. I'm wondering if the range of options on the MagicStomp Acoustic might make it more useful. I'm not too put off by needing to set up the patches via USB. I'm bummed that it's not going to be out mid-Nov as originally advertised, since I have about 10 days left on the 30-day return period for the AG :( I guess I'll hang onto it, and wait for the MagicStomp Acoustic blowout! lol Elby >I don't think it's available until the end of this month, according to >Musician's Friend. They both have the same list price, but the Magic >Stomp has been around longer and has probably already started to display >the lack of sales activity that killed the AG/DG/UD Stomp boxes, so it's >being discounted. > >My understanding was that all the Stomp series used the same DSP engine, >but the Magic boxes ditch most of the dedicated knobs in favor of three >soft knobs and the edit-on-the-computer-via USB option, which sounds like >the standard Yamaha PITA to me. I quite like the AG and UD Stomps, but >the interface is not their strong point, even with the dedicated knobs. > >TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 20:19:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI1IZE05629; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:16:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3183556568_633935_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3183556568_633935_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You had a floor processing unit that could loop? Are am I mistaken. If you give me your address, I'll mail you a copy of the Y2K3 dvd. Probably when I return. Peace, James ummm....there is a "DVD"(audio/video) from Y2K3? s --MS_Mac_OE_3183556568_633935_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looper
 You had a floor processing unit that could loop? Are am = I mistaken. If you give me your address, I'll mail you a copy of the Y2K3 dv= d. Probably when I return.

            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;        Peace, James


ummm....there is a "DVD"(audio/video) from Y2K3?
s --MS_Mac_OE_3183556568_633935_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 17 20:52:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI1oso11908; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:19 EST Subject: Re: Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.19bdb04c.2ecd59db_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <3S3TUD.A.-3C.d__mBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_db.19bdb04c.2ecd59db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/04 7:39:18 PM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > You had a floor processing unit that could loop? > the rang.....that was it at y2k3.....michael --part1_db.19bdb04c.2ecd59db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/17/04 7:39:18 PM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:


You had a floor processing unit= that could loop?


the rang.....that was it at y2k3.....michael --part1_db.19bdb04c.2ecd59db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 00:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI5G9k14282; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jared McQueen" To: Subject: computer emulated DL4 pedal ? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4CD03.C562F7D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <588ce11d0411170747245e4fda@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcTMvLg6kzrj7nXbSim9Y+U0EVF7kAAbPNBA Message-Id: <20041118051505.YAHL29395.lakermmtao08.cox.net@jared> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4CD03.C562F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, after a lot more research I've finally figured out what I've been trying to achieve with my recent "real-time loop computer" emails... I'm trying to figure out if there is any way computer-emulate a LINE 6 DL4 DELAY EFFECTS MODELER PEDAL http://www.line6.com/productDetail.html?model=31 One of my favorite artists, howie day, uses this exact pedal to do real time guitar loops during his songs. Here's an example of how he builds up loops during his songs: (2.16 megs) http://members.cox.net/jmcqueen2/howie_day-bunnies_low_quality_1.mp3 So basically that's what I'm trying to do... I've been tooling around with 2 VST plugins: ELOTTRONIX XL - http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm Lexicon PSP42 - http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/plu gins/psp42.html; I don't think Elottronix XL or Lexicon PSP42 will do what I want. I KNOW that the DL4 does what I want, but I'm trying to do it with a computer before I having to pay 180 bucks for a real DL4. Any suggestions or help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Jared ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4CD03.C562F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok, after a lot more research I've finally figured out what I've = been trying to achieve with my recent "real-time loop computer" = emails...

 

I'm trying to figure out if there is any way computer-emulate a = LINE 6 DL4 DELAY EFFECTS MODELER PEDAL
http://www.li= ne6.com/productDetail.html?model=3D31

 

One of my favorite artists, howie day, uses this exact pedal to = do real time guitar loops during his songs.  Here's an example of how he = builds up loops during his songs: (2.16 megs)

http://members.cox.net/jmcqueen2/howie_day-bunnies_low_quality_1.mp3=

 

So basically that’s what = I'm trying to do... I've been tooling around with 2 VST = plugins:

ELOTTRONIX XL - http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_= vst.htm

Lexicon PSP42 - http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?ur= l=3Dhttp://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html;=

 

I don’t think Elottronix XL = or Lexicon PSP42 will do what I want.  I KNOW that the DL4 does what I = want, but I’m trying to do it with a computer before I having to pay 180 = bucks for a real DL4.  Any suggestions or help with this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

 

-Jared =

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4CD03.C562F7D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 00:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI5QGQ17316; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:26:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:26:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010001c4cd2f$0723a4f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Low Self Esteem and Looping Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:25:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: "In my opinion, there are deeper currents of why we feel we 'come up short'., but that's a long winded thread that is terribly off topic and probably too personal for the wonder that is the internet." Quite frankly, Rich, I think that western culture is steeped in low self esteem and that it radically reduces the creative and artistic output of the lion share of it's artists. I think this is actually a vitally important thing to talk about here at Loopers Delight and on the internet. We also, in this country, seem to be very uncomfortable talking about feelings and emotions in public (and especially in an internet forum such as this). This is precisely why I think it should be a topic of conversation. In my experience (having taught over 2500 private students and played with hundreds of different kinds of musicians) there is a kind of 'Olympic' mentality that tends to pervade music. You know, this is reflected in the "If I"m not going to be the best or at the very top of all the musicians doing the kind of thing that I do, then it just isn't worth all the effort to try and learn how to play" kind of attitude. Brian Eno's notion that 6 billion humans would make 6 billion completely idiosyncratic red crayon/white paper drawings of a house and a tree is really germane here. It is easy to forget in our 'Grammy' award winning mass culture, that the impetus to be creative seems to be universal. Many cultures like the vastly creative Balinese culture don't even have words for Art in their vocabulary, simply because everyone in the artist goes home after work and does something creative. What I have loved about the live looping community is that the technology seems to have some kind of liberating effect on musicians. Lots of other technologies and styles of musics have a similar effect so I'm not claiming anything extraordinary for our community here, but viewing all of the artists, newbies and pros alike, at the Y2K4 festival really inspired me and reaffirmed my faith that everyone has the ability to be unique and creative artistically. It could be me just being an old fart (cue up the old geezer saying, "In my day, we bled for our art and we LOVED IT!") but as a teacher I have noticed a very dramatic decline in the interest level of young musicians in the past ten years. In my experience, students are less 'gung ho', less educated (by a large factor), less inclined to take chances with creativity than they were say 15 or 20 years ago. There are a lot of reasons for this (if it is, indeed true, and I can't prove it more than anecdotally): the advent of Video games, massive amounts of entertainment to be viewed, 400 stations on television, much faster editing styles in Videos leading to much lower attention spans. The attention span of my typical students is about ten minutes an hour less than it used to be. I'm finding a lot of students are overwhelmed by a 40 minute lesson whereas 20 years ago, it was barely enough time to cover what needed to be covered. I think a lot of all of this is directly attributable to low self esteem. Don't get me wrong, I have just as much of it as anyone (you should have seen my knees shaking when I did my live looping presentation at PASIC this last week as a confirmation) but I think this is something that we need to start talking about as artists and musicians and loopers. I think the mutual support is incredibly important and one thing I hear more than anything is how inspiring creatively it is to be around 50 loopers for a weekend, just because everyone: newbies and pros alike all feel really supported. What do y'all think about this (can you tell I"ve been in Nashville for a week)? yours, Rick ps by the way and apropos of absolutely nothing, I got to shake Aretha Franklin's hand after her performance on Sunday at a Casino outside of Memphis, Tennessee. I want to publicly thank the generosity, love and support of Tom Roady for hosting me in the past fantastic week. You should have seen him playing with Aretha, with the legendary Roger Hawkins (of Muscle Shoals fame) and I looking on. He was incredible!! And dammit!!!!! He's a live looper! LOL. I talked to a lot of young percussionists who are planning on going out and buying their first DL 4 or Boss Loopstation to get into looping for the first time. It's totally down to Tom for giving me the opportunity to evangelize like that. Thanks brother!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 01:44:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI6iQ809554; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041117221902.017ddd98@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:43:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: MIDI Processor In-Reply-To: <1100051972.12351@mx64a.mysite4now.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a little off-topic but related to a thread from over the summer. In September, MIDI Solutions released a new product called the Event Processor. Over the summer the MIDI Solutions MIDI Mapper was cursed on the list because while you could map note events to controller events, it did so in a way that made it useless for that particular job. The new Event Processor picks up where the mapper left off. It allows you to transform a note message into for example a controller message, where you either map the note number or note velocity to the controller (or set it explicitly). And you can map either the note number or velocity to the controller value (or hardcode it to a single value). http://midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm It's programmed via free windows software. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 02:30:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI7T1t19847; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:29:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:29:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Low Self Esteem and Looping Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:27:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c4cd40$011c00f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <010001c4cd2f$0723a4f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I'll chime in here, since I inadvertently got the ball rolling! (really! It's Ted's fault!) My first thoughts of reading Rick's post was thinking of my last music teacher, Richard Peikoff... http://www.bogdoc.com/mukti/home.htm Richard is a badass fingerstyle/slide guitarist, with an immense knowledge of harmony. I met him through former LD lister, Cliff Novey. It was essentially my first time seriously studying with anybody, and I've been playing for over 15 years. I studied with Richard for close to two years, and the most striking thing that happened during our studies was when I actually 'relaxed'. Richard and I had many conversations about this. I was, and still am, so hung up on my 'mistakes', and what I 'don't know', that I would get all twisted up inside and think too much about what I was trying to do, and how I was failing miserably at it. We would resort to doing excercises, where we would limit my possibilities. Trying putting a drone down on your looper, and then pick five, four, or even three notes to play a melody with. And only play those notes. Keep it simple! Expand on limitations. See what I mean? Once you quit worrying about what you 'don't know', your creativity opens up, you relax, and the muse comes unexpectedly knocking at the door. Fun! Reminds me a bit of Eno's sentiments that the limitations of certain gear and hardware interfaces is actually GOOD. It forces you to be creative and work within certain parameters. I just had a conversation with Mr. Novey this last weekend where we both expressed our frustration with software, in that the 'limitless possibilities' were somewhat of a gilded cage. You are always thinking "ohhh...I SHOULD be able to do SO MUCH MORE with this" mmmm...another helping of self-imposed guilt, please! Now, through an extraordinary sequence of events, I stopped studying with Mr. Peikoff almost a year ago. He made some very poor choices in communicating with me during a VERY stressful time in my life. When I needed some compassion and understanding, I got told that I "whined a lot about my lack of ability" and that, in order to move forward, I needed to "be like an athlete" with my studies. In other words, buckle down, shut up, and practice. Fine, that may work for some, and I am paraphrasing terribly here with my interpretation of what happened. Richard Peikoff remains a fantastic teacher. However, at the time, it sure wasn't what I needed to hear, and really messed with my head in regards to music. Anyway, that's my touchy feely input. For me, I've always had a questionable sense of self-esteem when it comes to "my music". I've NEVER wanted to be a solo musician, but have, at times, been forced into it in order to complete things that needed to see the light of day. Bands have always been more inspiring and gratifying, but keeping bands together seems to be more difficult than keeping a marriage together, from my experience. I think I'm just realizing that the sharing of experience and comraderie of multiple musicians working together is just as important as the music itself for me. I've just joined a trio, playing bass, so my spirit is happy to have some comrades to make some music with. And the gear still sits here, taunting me.... "if you were REALLY a musician, you would have produced so much more work by now" hehe... an interesting quote: "A related strategy is to let go of any idea you have as an accomplished master and simply do the work. Whatever is yours to realize will come out of the work, not from a picture you put on your wall. The light around good work is itself achievement and contentment; the rewards of mastery come of their own when the work is true. This advice is easier to give than follow, but maybe it can help transfer your work energy away from the future and into the present, in the sounding moment where it belongs." W. A. Mattieu - from "harmonic experience" Yours in Putzdom, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 04:40:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAI9cYH11911; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:38:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411180527.iAI5RqO17824@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411180527.iAI5RqO17824@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <559C25AC-3945-11D9-9C55-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:36:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious--what do wish it did that it doesn't? TravisH On Nov 17, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Elby > Date: November 17, 2004 5:00:21 PM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX > > > I very recently got the AG at the blowout price. I find the interface > just fine, but the range of capabilities pretty limited. I'm > wondering if the range of options on the MagicStomp Acoustic might > make it more useful. I'm not too put off by needing to set up the > patches via USB. I'm bummed that it's not going to be out mid-Nov as > originally advertised, since I have about 10 days left on the 30-day > return period for the AG :( I guess I'll hang onto it, and wait for > the MagicStomp Acoustic blowout! lol > > Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 10:42:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIFfud02099; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:41:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:41:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:20:28 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Headrush got no headroom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006a01c4cd85$6b539240$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200411180527.iAI5Rqo17829@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I made this sad discovery just a couple of days ago. I'd been using the 'rush for a few years now, and thought that much of the distortion I was experiencing was due to poor levels *prior* to the 'rush. Not so, I discovered, as I set up my FX chain with better equipment recently. So. Does anyone know if the Boss DD-20 has better headroom than the 'rush? I wanna know before I plop down the bucks for one, and put the 'rush up for sale. -Coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 10:45:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIFiSp02724; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:45:29 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Lexicon PCM-42 for sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006b01c4cd85$a5dbb3c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200411180527.iAI5Rqo17829@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...this is the legendary Bob Sellon-modded unit (almost 20 seconds of memory)with even more bells and whistles (some sampling features I never used). Cosmetically it's a little dinged up (I bought it used all those years ago) but it's only travelled a tiny bit (perhaps fifteen gigs) in a two-rack road case which I will sell with it. Otherwise it's been used and stored in a non-smoking environment. And I have a good (but not quite arena-level) set of pedals to control the various cool things it can do (infinite hold, backwards play, etc. I don't want to do a bidding war, I just want to get some different gear, so I'm setting the price at $1,200 including shipping in the US. Tack on another $50 for international shipping. Email me privately at "coyotelk at optonline dot net" and I'll happily explain/describe more. First come, first served. -coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 10:52:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIFop303724; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:50:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:50:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=sIHvGAos1YGKR6PU7E2ZacdwK+P6YdGT3HhfOo6SU1ZXMDBbQrAHxd5vVatnJO5FUnEUh1qfhpc9dnJPcqbrHrUr7qpXIdPoBPev6JRQAPI3vgCnFOmP6smJ+YMW3+CMXZC5R7gYdMf7zxF0wOfQEzZEXhdrR4LUWuZEyYBWsHA= Message-ID: <588ce11d04111807492afe115e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:49:27 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer emulated DL4 pedal ? In-Reply-To: <20041118051505.YAHL29395.lakermmtao08.cox.net@jared> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <588ce11d0411170747245e4fda@mail.gmail.com> <20041118051505.YAHL29395.lakermmtao08.cox.net@jared> Resent-Message-ID: <_i1jOB.A.Y4.LSMnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jared, It sounds like you just want to build up a "sound on sound" loop. I didn't hear anything in the mp3 file you posted that sounded like it was specific to the DL4. To be honest, I'd think that both Elottronix or PSP42 would work, it's just a question of the settings. On Elottronix, you'd turn off one of the two delays, turn the panning off and set the feedback and loop length the way you want and you should be in business. By using a pedal to trigger the "rehersal" mode on or off, you could set up a loop and then play on top of it. There is a similar, smaller version of Elottronix (no XL) that might be better suited for what you want. You might do a quick search at kvr-vst.com of the VST delays that are offered and see if any better suit your needs: Keep in mind that looping is going to require a different technique and/or approach to playing the guitar. Good Luck, On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:54 -0500, Jared McQueen wrote: > > > > Ok, after a lot more research I've finally figured out what I've been trying > to achieve with my recent "real-time loop computer" emails... > > > > I'm trying to figure out if there is any way computer-emulate a LINE 6 DL4 > DELAY EFFECTS MODELER PEDAL > http://www.line6.com/productDetail.html?model=31 > > > > One of my favorite artists, howie day, uses this exact pedal to do real time > guitar loops during his songs. Here's an example of how he builds up loops > during his songs: (2.16 megs) > > http://members.cox.net/jmcqueen2/howie_day-bunnies_low_quality_1.mp3 > > > > So basically that's what I'm trying to do... I've been tooling around with 2 > VST plugins: > > ELOTTRONIX XL - http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm > > Lexicon PSP42 - > http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html; > > > > I don't think Elottronix XL or Lexicon PSP42 will do what I want. I KNOW > that the DL4 does what I want, but I'm trying to do it with a computer > before I having to pay 180 bucks for a real DL4. Any suggestions or help > with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > > -Jared -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 11:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIG7AW08086; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <26399172.1100793971591.JavaMail.root@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush got no headroom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How hard a signal do you hit it with? I'm not an expert on the 'rush, but the one I tried out with guitar seemed not to clip... but then again, I was not putting a dirtbox in front of it. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin Sent: Nov 18, 2004 10:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Headrush got no headroom I made this sad discovery just a couple of days ago. I'd been using the 'rush for a few years now, and thought that much of the distortion I was experiencing was due to poor levels *prior* to the 'rush. Not so, I discovered, as I set up my FX chain with better equipment recently. So. Does anyone know if the Boss DD-20 has better headroom than the 'rush? I wanna know before I plop down the bucks for one, and put the 'rush up for sale. -Coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 12:33:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIHVSR19939; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:31:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:31:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31390627.1100799033848.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:30:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha MagicStomp Multi-FX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The reviews are intriguing, the ads are tempting, but I'd be less scared of this feature-packed MagicStomp if there were some way to hook up a conventional midi footcontroller to it and if I didn't need a computer to edit the patches and their locations. Can't they put it in Yamaha's older 4-button Stomp format? I'm impressed by all the MS's goodies, and the great price, but I don't wanna wind up like Sysiphus and have all this sonic fruit hanging just barely out of reach. ~Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 13:01:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIHxcd25693; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:59:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14420623.1100800758109.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:59:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Low Self Esteem and Looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like you've started a good, though-provoking (and, yes, appropriate) string, Rick. There does seem to be a subcurrent of what Richard Thompson sang of in his song "You Can't Win": "we shoot down dreams, stilletto in the back... we wonder who you think you are... the nerve of some people!" And yeah, attention spans are shorter, no doubt. I am not immune, though meditation helps somewhat. Discussions of the national and global zeitgeist (as it pertains to art) are very relevant... it's the roots from which art grows. Congrats on shaking the Queen of Soul's hand, BTW. Did she do that song "rap on your windowpane"? Damn, I love that! When it came out, it rocked my 13-year-old ass. Luv, Tim www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- From: "loop.pool" Sent: Nov 18, 2004 12:25 AM To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Low Self Esteem and Looping rich wrote: "In my opinion, there are deeper currents of why we feel we 'come up short'., but that's a long winded thread that is terribly off topic and probably too personal for the wonder that is the internet." Quite frankly, Rich, I think that western culture is steeped in low self esteem and that it radically reduces the creative and artistic output of the lion share of it's artists. I think this is actually a vitally important thing to talk about here at Loopers Delight and on the internet. We also, in this country, seem to be very uncomfortable talking about feelings and emotions in public (and especially in an internet forum such as this). This is precisely why I think it should be a topic of conversation. In my experience (having taught over 2500 private students and played with hundreds of different kinds of musicians) there is a kind of 'Olympic' mentality that tends to pervade music. You know, this is reflected in the "If I"m not going to be the best or at the very top of all the musicians doing the kind of thing that I do, then it just isn't worth all the effort to try and learn how to play" kind of attitude. Brian Eno's notion that 6 billion humans would make 6 billion completely idiosyncratic red crayon/white paper drawings of a house and a tree is really germane here. It is easy to forget in our 'Grammy' award winning mass culture, that the impetus to be creative seems to be universal. Many cultures like the vastly creative Balinese culture don't even have words for Art in their vocabulary, simply because everyone in the artist goes home after work and does something creative. What I have loved about the live looping community is that the technology seems to have some kind of liberating effect on musicians. Lots of other technologies and styles of musics have a similar effect so I'm not claiming anything extraordinary for our community here, but viewing all of the artists, newbies and pros alike, at the Y2K4 festival really inspired me and reaffirmed my faith that everyone has the ability to be unique and creative artistically. It could be me just being an old fart (cue up the old geezer saying, "In my day, we bled for our art and we LOVED IT!") but as a teacher I have noticed a very dramatic decline in the interest level of young musicians in the past ten years. In my experience, students are less 'gung ho', less educated (by a large factor), less inclined to take chances with creativity than they were say 15 or 20 years ago. There are a lot of reasons for this (if it is, indeed true, and I can't prove it more than anecdotally): the advent of Video games, massive amounts of entertainment to be viewed, 400 stations on television, much faster editing styles in Videos leading to much lower attention spans. The attention span of my typical students is about ten minutes an hour less than it used to be. I'm finding a lot of students are overwhelmed by a 40 minute lesson whereas 20 years ago, it was barely enough time to cover what needed to be covered. I think a lot of all of this is directly attributable to low self esteem. Don't get me wrong, I have just as much of it as anyone (you should have seen my knees shaking when I did my live looping presentation at PASIC this last week as a confirmation) but I think this is something that we need to start talking about as artists and musicians and loopers. I think the mutual support is incredibly important and one thing I hear more than anything is how inspiring creatively it is to be around 50 loopers for a weekend, just because everyone: newbies and pros alike all feel really supported. What do y'all think about this (can you tell I"ve been in Nashville for a week)? yours, Rick ps by the way and apropos of absolutely nothing, I got to shake Aretha Franklin's hand after her performance on Sunday at a Casino outside of Memphis, Tennessee. I want to publicly thank the generosity, love and support of Tom Roady for hosting me in the past fantastic week. You should have seen him playing with Aretha, with the legendary Roger Hawkins (of Muscle Shoals fame) and I looking on. He was incredible!! And dammit!!!!! He's a live looper! LOL. I talked to a lot of young percussionists who are planning on going out and buying their first DL 4 or Boss Loopstation to get into looping for the first time. It's totally down to Tom for giving me the opportunity to evangelize like that. Thanks brother!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 13:07:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAII5WO27003; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:05:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <30.65da2aff.2ece3de0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:03:12 EST Subject: Re: Low Self Esteem and Looping (It's Ted's fault! Really!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.65da2aff.2ece3de0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_30.65da2aff.2ece3de0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Mr. Self-Esteem Problem here. Heheh. Actually I got into looping (way back when, 30 years ago, with tape delays) BECAUSE of low self-esteem. I was too shy to play with anyone but myself. I hadn't the native ability to sing and play at once (so "songs" were out) and the sort of music I gravitated toward was always a little outside my acquaintances sphere -- besides just being unskilled and BAD. In other words, I was a misfit. I have often wondered over the years just how much creative/industrious activity in the West was often just the result of certain individuals drive/hunger to "compensate" for a perceived personal "lack" in some other area -- misfits desperately trying to "fit in" and find/found/forge a place for themselves in a=20 cruelly mocking and ever-threatening world..=20 A couple of issues/questions come to mind whenever this sort=20 of discussion come up.=20 1. Does being a "misfit" generate low self-esteem or vice versa. (or, to put it another way) 2. Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external? (and depending on one's answer to that) 3. Can it be "fixed" by merely changing ones perspective/world view? (or . . .) 4. What point does REALITY step in? However our perspectives of the world (and ourselves in it) may change, the TRUE nature of the world=20 (reality) generally does not -- certainly not in my experience anyway. 5. How much has (or can) human nature be changed? 5. If EVERYONE is an artist/poet/dancer/architect/sculptor/whatever,=20 is ANYONE an artist/poet/dancer/architect/sculptor/whatever?=20 A good pal of mine is a REAL (and published) poet -- a friend and peer of some of the original "Beats" -- and a fine writer of almost anything. Published or not, he's written several novels too. Anywho, a few years=20 ago he wrote an epic (nearly novel-length) poem called: THIS IS MY=20 LAST POEM. In it (among other things) he decries the de-evolution of=20 poetry and its place of prominence in the West as being specifically=20 the result of the naive popular attitude that ANYTHING is a poem and=20 that EVERYBODY is a poet -- "even my dog can be a poet." In it, it's his=20 assertion that real POETRY (and we're NOT talking about rhyme and=20 meter here) has almost ceased to exist in the West. While his diagnosis is admittedly somewhat curmudgeonly and grumpy -- yes, and despite the Balinese -- I tend to think he's on to something. Poetry may not be "gone" but it has certainly been largely forgotten (in favor of the popular song lyric and the Hallmark card verse) and=20 gotten sick to the point of being in a near death coma. 6. Is creativity a gift or a curse . . . or both? In my experience as a painter/artist -- beginning as a prodigy at age=20 seven and progressing through ten years of college and an eventual=20 27-year long career as a commercial advertising designer -- it certainly=20 has been both. To cop an image from my own previous e-mail, creativity is like being given the gift of flight (however intermittent that gift may=20 prove). But it's a gift that also makes misfits of it's recipients. We live in two worlds, the one here on the ground, the MUNDANE world, and the world UP THERE in the sky. It seems only natural to be unhappy in this=20 situation.=20 Though I am far, FAR from being a musical prodigy, my musical activity/ career has only paralleled and served to confirm this outlook. I live in two worlds and will only find rest when I only live in just one of them. 'Til then, I suppose I've little choice but to continue as a half-breed,=20 genetic misfit, neither wholly one or the other -- leadenly earthbound=20 but with heart and soul still longing skyward. As I see it, this is largely=20 the reason for low self-esteem among artists (or "failed" artists like me anyway). Heheheh. It parallels one I also sense among people I could=20 only describe as really and truly SPIRITUAL. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_30.65da2aff.2ece3de0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Mr. Self-Esteem Problem here. Heheh. Actually I got into looping
(way back when, 30 years ago, with tape delays) BECAUSE of low
self-esteem. I was too shy to play with anyone but myself. I hadn't
the native ability to sing and play at once (so "songs" were out)
and the sort of music I gravitated toward was always a little outside
my acquaintances sphere -- besides just being unskilled and BAD.

In other words, I was a misfit. I have often wondered over the years
just how much creative/industrious activity in the West was often
just the result of certain individuals drive/hunger to "compensate" for
a perceived personal "lack" in some other area -- misfits desperately
trying to "fit in" and find/found/forge a place for themselves in a
cruelly mocking and ever-threatening world..

A couple of issues/questions come to mind whenever this sort
of discussion come up.

1. Does being a "misfit" generate low self-esteem or vice versa.

(or, to put it another way)

2. Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external?

(and depending on one's answer to that)

3. Can it be "fixed" by merely changing ones perspective/world view?

(or . . .)

4. What point does REALITY step in? However our perspectives of the
world (and ourselves in it) may change, the TRUE nature of the world
(reality) generally does not -- certainly not in my experience anyway.

5. How much has (or can) human nature be changed?

5. If EVERYONE is an artist/poet/dancer/architect/sculptor/whatever,
is ANYONE an artist/poet/dancer/architect/sculptor/whatever?

A good pal of mine is a REAL (and published) poet -- a friend and peer
of some of the original "Beats" -- and a fine writer of almost anything.
Published or not, he's written several novels too. Anywho, a few years
ago he wrote an epic (nearly novel-length) poem called: THIS IS MY
LAST POEM. In it (among other things) he decries the de-evolution of
poetry and its place of prominence in the West as being specifically
the result of the naive popular attitude that ANYTHING is a poem and
that EVERYBODY is a poet -- "even my dog can be a poet." In it, it's his assertion that real POETRY (and we're NOT talking about rhyme and
meter here) has almost ceased to exist in the West.

While his diagnosis is admittedly somewhat curmudgeonly and grumpy
-- yes, and despite the Balinese -- I tend to think he's on to something. Poetry may not be "gone" but it has certainly been largely forgotten
(in favor of the popular song lyric and the Hallmark card verse) and
gotten sick to the point of being in a near death coma.

6. Is creativity a gift or a curse . . . or both?

In my experience as a painter/artist -- beginning as a prodigy at age
seven and progressing through ten years of college and an eventual
27-year long career as a commercial advertising designer -- it certainly has been both. To cop an image from my own previous e-mail, creativity
is like being given the gift of flight (however intermittent that gift may <= BR> prove). But it's a gift that also makes misfits of it's recipients. We live<= BR> in two worlds, the one here on the ground, the MUNDANE world, and the
world UP THERE in the sky. It seems only natural to be unhappy in this
situation.

Though I am far, FAR from being a musical prodigy, my musical activity/
career has only paralleled and served to confirm this outlook. I live in
two worlds and will only find rest when I only live in just one of them.

'Til then, I suppose I've little choice but to continue as a half-breed, genetic misfit, neither wholly one or the other -- leadenly earthbound
but with heart and soul still longing skyward. As I see it, this is largely=20=
the reason for low self-esteem among artists (or "failed" artists like me anyway). Heheheh. It parallels one I also sense among people I could
only describe as really and truly SPIRITUAL.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_30.65da2aff.2ece3de0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 13:10:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIIA3r27946; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: FS: A bunch of footpedals in original boxes. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:08:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTNhZP3YvFUDqMdTY2Z4vnDfuIWjgAE/95Q In-Reply-To: <006a01c4cd85$6b539240$9715be18@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1100801485.31641@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a few things for sale. I quit my funk band (www.jigglethehouse.com) and am doing the solo acoustic thing (www.donmak.com) and would like to sell this stuff to get a nice rackmount acoustic preamp. So here's the stuff: **Behringer V-Amp2 Musicians Friend sells these for $99, I'll sell mine for $65. Almost new in-box. With cool tote bag, and footpedal. Manual, warranty card, and everything is included. **Digitech X-Series Main Squeeze Compression Musicians Friend sells these for $70, I'll sell mine for $45. Almost new in box, but have original box, documentation, and warranty card. dbxR OverEasyR technology. Great compression/sustainer pedal. **Vintage DOD Flanger Circa 1982 $100 This Flanger gets great reviews on Harmony-Central, and even the AnalogMan says it is one of the best vintage Flangers out there. **Vintage Ibanez CS-9 Stereo Chorus $100 Circa 1982 - Great condition. Just exterior scratches. This is the same chorus pedal John Scofield and others use. Does a nice Leslie approximation (minus the doppleganger) when both dials are cranked. **Ibanez TS-9 DX Tube Screamer Re-issue Musicians Friend sells these for $108, I'll sell mine for $80 Original box, booklet, and warranty card included. **Boss OC-2 Octave Pedal Boss OC-3's are going for $108 on Musicians Friend, I'll sell mine for $50 Perfect condition. Minor cosmetic scratches. **Boss V-Wah Musicians Friend sells these for $150, I'll sell mine for $100 Kinda like a Wah-modeler. Also have original box, instructions, and warranty card. I also have the power supply for it if you want it added. This pedal rocks, and has a infrared motion detector so the wah mechanism NEVER gets dirty or wears out. Also has a killer "vibro" effect for a Leslie-type effect that I often get comments on. I have the AC Adapters for all these pedals too, so let me know if you want an AC Adapter and we can add that to the "deal". E-mail me at forsale@maksys.com if you have any questions. Thanks! DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 13:55:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIIsq602279; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: To: Subject: Electrix is Back Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:53:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c4cd9f$e7847bd0$0e00a8c0@khp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Did any body notice Electrix is in business again? http://www.electrixpro.com/ Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 13:58:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIIw2q02838; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <002c01c4cda0$48767240$0ba0fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <000101c4cd9f$e7847bd0$0e00a8c0@khp1> Subject: Re: Electrix is Back Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:56:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope this is for real and not just a short-lived hoax. Stephen "Iīm striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesnīt interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [īramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Electrix is Back > Hey, > > Did any body notice Electrix is in business again? > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > Ken > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 14:44:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIJhjp10868; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:43:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:43:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31479.216.125.144.18.1100806947.squirrel@216.125.144.18> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:42:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Echoplex v. Electrix From: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that the Repeater Electrix is back, which should I buy. What does the electrix cost? How many loops can u get w/ the repeater? (you can get 9 individual seperate loops w/ echoplex...I thought the repeater just had 4). I'm aware of unlimited overdubbing w/ both products. Does Electrix have MIDI Sync and/or is that beat match thing it has unparalleled by any other looper (sounds like a redsound product). Anyone? Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 14:58:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIJvMQ12506; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:57:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:57:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041118180710.43198.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:07:10 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Dyson Subject: Re: computer emulated DL4 pedal ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411180527.iAI5RqE17823@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doesn't Guitar Rig, which you listed as part of your existing equipment, have 2 built in midi controllable recorder & looping playback units with speed + pitch control? cheers http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?rigtape_us ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 15:13:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIKCGc16725; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:12:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101c4cd9f$e7847bd0$0e00a8c0@khp1> References: <000101c4cd9f$e7847bd0$0e00a8c0@khp1> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:09:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Electrix is Back Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1111313799==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1111313799==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:53 AM -0800 11/18/04, wrote: >Did any body notice Electrix is in business again? At 7:56 PM +0100 11/18/04, Wavecomputer360 wrote: >I hope this is for real and not just a short-lived hoax. Their Web site is functional and has a downloadable OS 1.1 update. They answer e-mail queries. I get the impression that although they are definitely back in operation technically they are still getting organized on the sales and marketing end. I suggest (especially in light of past Electrix-related speculation and whining on this list) that everyone chill until new Repeaters are in the stores. Will Electrix show at NAMM? They aren't listed in the show directory yet, but the final exhibitor registration deadline is tomorrow. ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1111313799==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Electrix is Back
At 10:53 AM -0800 11/18/04, <ken@dangerlog.com> wrote:
Did any body notice Electrix is in business again?

At 7:56 PM +0100 11/18/04, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
I hope this is for real and not just a short-lived hoax.

Their Web site is functional and has a downloadable OS 1.1 update. They answer e-mail queries.

I get the impression that although they are definitely back in operation technically they are still getting organized on the sales and marketing end.

I suggest (especially in light of past Electrix-related speculation and whining on this list) that everyone chill until new Repeaters are in the stores.

Will Electrix show at NAMM?  They aren't listed in the show directory yet, but the final exhibitor registration deadline is tomorrow.

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1111313799==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 15:49:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAIKlql22522; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:47:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:47:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <31479.216.125.144.18.1100806947.squirrel@216.125.144.18> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAIKlLa22452 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Bill, the short answer is: get both. The slightly longer answer: it depends on what you want to do. The long answer can be found in the ld archives... The Repeater can store lots of individual loops. Enough. I don't know how many; it's something like 128 or 999 both in internal memory (not that this would make sense) and on CF card. Each loop can have up to four tracks. The Repeater works with Type1 CFCs with up to 512MB of capacity. The Repeater syncs well to MIDI but has a very unstable clock itself. Some devices react allergically to ist MIDI clock glitches when synced to the Repeater. No problem if you use the Repeater as a slave or use it to sync uncritical devices exclusively. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: wkramer1@students.depaul.edu [mailto:wkramer1@students.depaul.edu] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. November 2004 20:42 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Echoplex v. Electrix Now that the Repeater Electrix is back, which should I buy. What does the electrix cost? How many loops can u get w/ the repeater? (you can get 9 individual seperate loops w/ echoplex...I thought the repeater just had 4). I'm aware of unlimited overdubbing w/ both products. Does Electrix have MIDI Sync and/or is that beat match thing it has unparalleled by any other looper (sounds like a redsound product). Anyone? Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 19:37:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ0a3v29757; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:36:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:36:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:40:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.228.239] at Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:35:13 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I looked on eBAY and found these for sale... Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale on eBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763294455&rd=1 Electrix Repeater for sale on eBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3762278824&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW and another... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763108814&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Geeze. I sold my one (basically new) for $600 about a year ago. Looks like I gave it away! Given that the EDP is in production again (really), and the new Electrix announcement seems to indicate they are back too, these wild and crazy eBAY prices ought to deflate a bit -- but that would be using reason and logic.... :-) Happy looping to you! David Free Downloads - did you get these yet? UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist Super-Cannes http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listing_song_artist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 20:07:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ16gV02825; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:06:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76.467693b5.2ecea0d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:05:23 EST Subject: holy mad cow batman! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.467693b5.2ecea0d3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_76.467693b5.2ecea0d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have my puter plugged into my mackie thru the tape ins.....the srms running out of the mackie.....i just discovered after all this time that if i shut off the mackie and let the srms remain powered the puter will still play thru the mixer into the srms without being crazy loud.....also, i no longer have to power up my entire system just to play my puter.....BOY DO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF.....GOLLY.....what a clone i am! --part1_76.467693b5.2ecea0d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have my puter plug= ged into my mackie thru the tape ins.....the srms running out of the mackie.= ....i just discovered after all this time that if i shut off the mackie and=20= let the srms remain powered the puter will still play thru the mixer into th= e srms without being crazy loud.....also, i no longer have to power up my en= tire system just to play my puter.....BOY DO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF.....GO= LLY.....what a clone i am! --part1_76.467693b5.2ecea0d3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 20:18:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ1HHN04492; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:17:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:17:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c4cdd6$2bc2d220$efe4a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <76.467693b5.2ecea0d3@aol.com> Subject: Re: holy mad cow batman! Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:22:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4CDAC.4255BA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.228.239] at Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:16:31 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4CDAC.4255BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol :-) I only half understand what you're saying here, but I LOVE the humour in = your voice! :-)) David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: holy mad cow batman! i have my puter plugged into my mackie thru the tape ins.....the srms = running out of the mackie.....i just discovered after all this time that = if i shut off the mackie and let the srms remain powered the puter will = still play thru the mixer into the srms without being crazy = loud.....also, i no longer have to power up my entire system just to = play my puter.....BOY DO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF.....GOLLY.....what a = clone i am! ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4CDAC.4255BA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
lol :-)
 
I only half understand what you're = saying here, but=20 I LOVE the humour in your voice! :-))
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
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Subject: holy mad cow = batman!

i have my puter plugged into my mackie = thru the tape=20 ins.....the srms running out of the mackie.....i just discovered after = all=20 this time that if i shut off the mackie and let the srms remain = powered the=20 puter will still play thru the mixer into the srms without being crazy = loud.....also, i no longer have to power up my entire system just to = play my=20 puter.....BOY DO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF.....GOLLY.....what a clone i = am! = ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4CDAC.4255BA40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 20:40:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ1dMQ08680; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:39:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:39:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jared McQueen" To: Subject: RE: computer emulated DL4 pedal ? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:39:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcTNqRnYzALwezR3Tfah+3iBvnSgNgALxBAQ In-Reply-To: <20041118180710.43198.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20041119013814.WWAN2595.lakermmtao05.cox.net@jared> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding Guitar Rig's Tapedecks: Yeah, there are 2 tapedecks, but no matter what settings I choose with them, they always play back reaaaaaaally slow. And I know its not my computer that's slow - I have dual Intel XEON 3.06GHZ processors, and a gig of ram. I record little samples, but they play back entirely way to slow and low pitch. I've read every Guitar Rig manual out there, can't figure out how to play back at real speed / pitch -jared -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dyson [mailto:dyson_rich@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer emulated DL4 pedal ? doesn't Guitar Rig, which you listed as part of your existing equipment, have 2 built in midi controllable recorder & looping playback units with speed + pitch control? cheers http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?rigtape_us ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 21:37:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ2ZpH07362; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:35:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:35:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c4cde2$890389f0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:50:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder how many Repeaters were made? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > I looked on eBAY and found these for sale... > > Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale on eBAY > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763294455 &rd=1 > > Electrix Repeater for sale on eBAY > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3762278824 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > and another... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763108814 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > Geeze. I sold my one (basically new) for $600 about a year ago. Looks like > I gave it away! > > Given that the EDP is in production again (really), and the new Electrix > announcement seems to indicate they are back too, these wild and crazy eBAY > prices ought to deflate a bit -- but that would be using reason and > logic.... :-) > > Happy looping to you! > > David > > Free Downloads - did you get these yet? > > UNDO > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_ artist > > Super-Cannes > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listin g_song_artist > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 21:41:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ2dgc09744; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:39:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <30.65da2aff.2ece3de0@aol.com> References: <30.65da2aff.2ece3de0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: is this list moderated? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:37:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this list moderated? If it is by who? Kim? Just wondered because some of my emails have not gone anywhere. I particularly love free speech. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:01:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ30Ln23303; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c4cde3$9fd87590$d55bd618@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> <003b01c4cde2$890389f0$0200a8c0@audiows> Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:58:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know how many but I bought one of them when they came out. I eventually sold it but I'd definitely like to get another. Hopefully, they'll be available again. I can't remember what they cost, though. What was the price point? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix >I wonder how many Repeaters were made? > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > > >> I looked on eBAY and found these for sale... >> >> Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale on eBAY >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763294455 > &rd=1 >> >> Electrix Repeater for sale on eBAY >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3762278824 > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW >> >> and another... >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763108814 > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW >> >> Geeze. I sold my one (basically new) for $600 about a year ago. Looks > like >> I gave it away! >> >> Given that the EDP is in production again (really), and the new Electrix >> announcement seems to indicate they are back too, these wild and crazy > eBAY >> prices ought to deflate a bit -- but that would be using reason and >> logic.... :-) >> >> Happy looping to you! >> >> David >> >> Free Downloads - did you get these yet? >> >> UNDO >> > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_ > artist >> >> Super-Cannes >> > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listin > g_song_artist >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:17:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ3Ddh26404; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:13:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:13:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tLkZAKM3PfpZpEDOl2x+rKZMOZheno+4y5dlavoBJcJ0YqyKW08g7Zr8kPjIMk2/6JdXqsO4DUKcjrvUwk0vIWWARsD1TBHrc5zzZMP/LS+tWKS08dEBIsPZa4PAGtDw9bFLgBkWnug1HCfDmyrRKM1bjAYuTcw+HFg6+kuFrOk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:12:21 -0800 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix In-Reply-To: <006d01c4cde3$9fd87590$d55bd618@BlackDell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> <003b01c4cde2$890389f0$0200a8c0@audiows> <006d01c4cde3$9fd87590$d55bd618@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: <1FMH_D.A.0aG.VSWnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wasn't it around $500 plus? On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:58:19 -0500, Paul wrote: > I don't know how many but I bought one of them when they came out. I > eventually sold it but I'd definitely like to get another. Hopefully, > they'll be available again. > > I can't remember what they cost, though. What was the price point? > > Regards, Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ".David.Auker." > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > > >I wonder how many Repeaters were made? > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:40 PM > > Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > > > > > >> I looked on eBAY and found these for sale... > >> > >> Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale on eBAY > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763294455 > > &rd=1 > >> > >> Electrix Repeater for sale on eBAY > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3762278824 > > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > >> > >> and another... > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763108814 > > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > >> > >> Geeze. I sold my one (basically new) for $600 about a year ago. Looks > > like > >> I gave it away! > >> > >> Given that the EDP is in production again (really), and the new Electrix > >> announcement seems to indicate they are back too, these wild and crazy > > eBAY > >> prices ought to deflate a bit -- but that would be using reason and > >> logic.... :-) > >> > >> Happy looping to you! > >> > >> David > >> > >> Free Downloads - did you get these yet? > >> > >> UNDO > >> > > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_ > > artist > >> > >> Super-Cannes > >> > > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listin > > g_song_artist > >> > >> > > > > > > -- Joey Aguilera http://www.voodoogarden.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:28:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ3SNq28313; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:28:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:27:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTN5fS2I0TG376LSbes0JUDVlsfGQAAPmcg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041119032748.XCUI347.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --->The street price was around $500, and that was part of the problem. They didn't make enough money to stay in business! I bought one and immediately traded it in for a second EDP, the latency on the dry signal was very disturbing. I would buy one if they reworked the software--that's something they have to do to compete with the EDP. The Echoplex on the other hand might also get a facelift if it continues--just a guess. Gary -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Wasn't it around $500 plus? On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:58:19 -0500, Paul wrote: What was the price point? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:30:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ3TE828508; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:29:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:28:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Ted, You wrote: "Mr. Self-Esteem Problem here. Heheh. Actually I got into looping (way back when, 30 years ago, with tape delays) BECAUSE of low self-esteem." That is a very common story I hear from many loopers. "In other words, I was a misfit. I have often wondered over the years just how much creative/industrious activity in the West was often just the result of certain individuals drive/hunger to "compensate" for a perceived personal "lack" in some other area -- misfits desperately trying to "fit in" and find/found/forge a place for themselves in a cruelly mocking and ever-threatening world.. " I think a tremendous amount of innovation has come from this. I also think that tremendous amount of lack of innovation stems from the same roots, however and, in my experience, it's about a 100 to 1 ratio of latter to the former "1. Does being a "misfit" generate low self-esteem or vice versa." I'd say it's the vice versa but not 100% of the time "2. Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external?" I believe that low self esteem results from poor or neglectful parenting or even abuse (and I consider abandoment or the teaching of young children not to have extreme emotions an abuse) during childhood, personally, coupled with a pervasive cultural perspective. I've known so many incredibly talented young (and older) women who are paralyzed by the current cultural paradigm. Hell, I have to work and work to get my young woman drumming students to play loudly. It is so culturally engrained that women aren't supposed to be loud or boisterous. It's amazing how difficult this can be emotionally (and for some men as well). In this case I think that acculteration comes both from the family of origin and then is reinforced by society at large. "3. Can it be "fixed" by merely changing ones perspective/world view?" "5. How much has (or can) human nature be changed?" I think this is extremely difficult to answer but my suspicion is that we can certainly mitigate feelings of low self esteem with action. Someone once said that human beings are incredibly adaptive to change UNTIL abuse occurs, at which point, we become incredibly unflexible and resistant to personal change. This author cited the fact that the Jews who were put into the concentration camps, thus ending their lives as they had known it, refused to come out of the camps when the Allies liberated them and had to be carried, literally, kicking and screaming, back to the relative sanity of the world outside the camps. He reasoned that this behavior stemmed from the fact that they had been so thoroughly tramautized when the Nazis threw them into the camps that in their minds, any change was a sign of future abuse. I have certainly found this in my own life. I really want to maintain control emotionally and have a tendency towards rigidity when new things occur. I also, last summer, got it into my head that I should do the scariest thing I could possibly think of as my next artistic venture. This led me to doing 6 months of solo shows with only a microphone and my looping gear and no instruments and releasing an entirely vocal CD. I have experienced that if I push through my fear to do things like this that I really grow as a human being and I also really improve my artistry. I'm not about to say that I created a masterpiece because of it, but it gave me hope that I can chip away at the bedrock of my own low self esteem and fears about living. I once had a therapist tell me that it is exceedingly difficult for human beings to change but that if they are really interested in it and willing to commit to very hard work that it can be accomplished. I guess I hold that notion. This is also mitigated by how deep abuse has been and how fearful a place one finds oneself. With my students I assume that it is possible and I have seen some of them make huge breakthroughs in their lives. For one thing, I'm finding that it is exceedingly rare for a lot of kids (and even adults) to have a person in a position of authority (teacher, parent, spiritual leader, et. al.) tell them that they have the potential to do anything. People seem to blossom under these circumstance and it is a beautiful thing to behold. I once asked a very wise elder woman I know why our culture didn't respect its elders. She said "You cannot respect someone who does not respect you". She said that because our cultural is so dysfunctional that a whole generation of young people have grown up (and continue to grow up) without any sense of what maturity is. She also said, though, that she had great hopes for our culture because since we don't have very many good role models to copy that we have looked all over the world to find other paradigms that are healthier than our own. She said that this is unprecedented in the history of all humankind: that we can cherry pick from the best of the best models outside our own culture. She said that this allows us to be able to mold ourselved into the elders or parents that we wish we had been raised by. This single sentiment has given me great hope for the future, despite all that is obviously wrong with the world. Whatever happens, change will be very , very rapid in the next 30-50 years on earth. I say we should take the bull by the horns and start to parent and lead by example for the younger generations. Wow, I just reread that and I'd say that is quite more than enough pontificating for one writing session...............lol. I feel really strongly about all of this. It's realy okay if anyone feels like it's hogwash, though. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:41:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ3eIl29909; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:40:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419D6AD7.9080705@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:39:03 -0800 From: "delighted.looper" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is this list moderated? References: <30.65da2aff.2ece3de0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's moderated by mass jumping on anyone who says something that we don't approve of. Other than that, I think you may be dealing with a malfarction of some sort. bIz Larry Cooperman wrote: > Is this list moderated? If it is by who? Kim? > > Just wondered because some of my emails have not gone anywhere. > > I particularly love free speech. > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:42:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ3eqA30047; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419D6B16.5040009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:40:06 -0800 From: "delighted.looper" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix References: <20041119032748.XCUI347.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20041119032748.XCUI347.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: >--->The street price was around $500, and that was part of the problem. >They didn't make enough money to stay in business! >I bought one and immediately traded it in for a second EDP, the latency on >the dry signal was very disturbing. > > Why didn't you just turn it off? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 22:55:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ3tGR32143; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:55:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <419D6AD7.9080705@gmail.com> References: <30.65da2aff.2ece3de0@aol.com> <419D6AD7.9080705@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <65CC03A9-39DE-11D9-886A-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: is this list moderated? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:52:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 18, 2004, at 7:39 PM, delighted.looper wrote: > > It's moderated by mass jumping on anyone who says something that we > don't approve of. WOW that's so Republican! Me too. I jump quickly like someone trying to plug up a news leak of fact. But I approve of weird behavior and insane statements because they are liberating for everyone. Let's start a church. > > Other than that, I think you may be dealing with a malfarction of some > sort. Yes maybe I am having one of those. I'll check my footswitch. I did offer a venue in the Spring in Fresno (The Grapes of Wrath in a Hot Tub). I am organizing a new music festival and sent an email out to testify to this. Just was concerned about it not getting, at least, to CA loopers. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 23:19:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ4IJ303281; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:18:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c4cdf0$c39e67c0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> <003b01c4cde2$890389f0$0200a8c0@audiows> <006d01c4cde3$9fd87590$d55bd618@BlackDell> Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:32:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in '01 there was the LoopersDelight group purchase thru Alto Music. Wow, it ended up being a great deal, definitely less than $500...can't remember exactly... (From http://www.electrixpro.com/about/20010814.html August, '01, "Repeater has a Suggested Retail Price of $749." ||:David:|| ----- Original Message ----- From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > Wasn't it around $500 plus? > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:58:19 -0500, Paul wrote: > > I don't know how many but I bought one of them when they came out. I > > eventually sold it but I'd definitely like to get another. Hopefully, > > they'll be available again. > > > > I can't remember what they cost, though. What was the price point? > > > > Regards, Paul > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ".David.Auker." > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:50 PM > > Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > > > > >I wonder how many Repeaters were made? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > > > > > > > > >> I looked on eBAY and found these for sale... > > >> > > >> Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale on eBAY > > >> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763294455 > > > &rd=1 > > >> > > >> Electrix Repeater for sale on eBAY > > >> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3762278824 > > > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > >> > > >> and another... > > >> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763108814 > > > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 23:25:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ4Nuc03992; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:23:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:23:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <64078F18-39E2-11D9-886A-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:20:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: <680j4.A.i8.WUXnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that some people get into popular music as a result of low self esteem? Serious music is another thing. People get into that for many reasons. I still think that looping, in many cases, is adjunct to popular music until someone loops something that makes me throw up or kill. Can you see a guy with low self esteem getting into playing baroque recorder to build up self esteem when popular music is so much more socially cogent? Maybe, it depends on the crowd that you will choose to build you up I guess. Give me an accordion and I'll work on my smile. The reason I got into music is because of family heritage and girls. I have low self esteem only when people require me to act like the rest of the herd. I can't hip-speak or act like the aged hippie I am supposed to be. I don't know you that well Ted. I met you at the gig. I did notice a resignation in your demeanor. You are big that's why I remember. Big people are more forceful sometimes. My low self esteem causes me to yell and get angry!!!!? I'm not sure. I wonder about myself and all of us. You and everyone else I met at the Y2K4 were stark raving individuals and you just can't have low self esteem about that. I mean you can if you want but in a herd of disparate animals there is nothing to live up to so it seems crazy to just keep looking at your feet. Now I gave my CD to the Walker brothers, it wasn't looping but it was wild and crazy solo guitar that I can't imagine coming from too many sources. Do I have low self esteem because they haven't said anything about it? Well, yes. I am sad and hurt like a wounded animal on speed. Why? WHY!? Why I am I so rejected by the people I want not to reject me? You don't like me now do you? My music is bad and I know it. Talk about a bunch of "if it ain't what we approve of then it is um, other stuff." I do really find you guys, in all of your splendiferous multiplicity and imagination really kind of restrictive but less restrictive than a mass of republican metal heads. Most people, especially guitarists, need to look at their expectations of major chords. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 23:25:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ4PCB04241; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041118202309.024e5570@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:23:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix In-Reply-To: <419D6B16.5040009@gmail.com> References: <20041119032748.XCUI347.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20041119032748.XCUI347.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The repeater doesn't have a power switch. (sorry, couldn't resist) At 07:40 PM 2004.11.18, delighted.looper wrote: >Gary Lehmann wrote: > >>--->The street price was around $500, and that was part of the problem. >>They didn't make enough money to stay in business! >>I bought one and immediately traded it in for a second EDP, the latency on >>the dry signal was very disturbing. >> > >Why didn't you just turn it off? > >bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 23:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ4P2304166; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:24:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTN6cbSzflZNC51ReCErVnADZpg+AABbTnQ In-Reply-To: <419D6B16.5040009@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041119042412.NHGG16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <24QVlB.A.8_.0VXnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: >--->The street price was around $500, and that was part of the problem. >They didn't make enough money to stay in business! >I bought one and immediately traded it in for a second EDP, the latency >on the dry signal was very disturbing. > > Why didn't you just turn it off? bIz ---> Wasn't using a mixer and wanted to audit the signal. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 18 23:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ4rd809555; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:53:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:53:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c4cdf0$c39e67c0$0200a8c0@audiows> References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> <003b01c4cde2$890389f0$0200a8c0@audiows> <006d01c4cde3$9fd87590$d55bd618@BlackDell> <003901c4cdf0$c39e67c0$0200a8c0@audiows> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:44:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:32 PM -0800 11/18/04, .David.Auker. wrote: >Back in '01 there was the LoopersDelight group purchase thru Alto Music. >Wow, it ended up being a great deal, definitely less than $500...can't >remember exactly... I bought two of them from Alto in September 2001 for $941.95,including shipping. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 00:00:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ4xkC11958; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:59:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:59:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:00:39 -0500 Subject: Low Self Esteem and Looping From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great topic - Some random thoughts - In response to Ted's recent post -- I think we all live in two worlds and although I often long for "purity" and a one-sided answer to things, my peace of mind increased when I realized that no matter what answer I found, the opposite is often just as true. A mandala-type of thinking where any one idea can be placed on a point on the mandala and is understood to be balanced by its opposite. Or as Jung says, maturity is the ability to contain the opposites. Practically speaking, to me this means that: 1 - There is room for both types of creativity - creative productions by dedicated artists where there IS a "better" and "worse" -- e.g., someone professing to be a singer is generally better if they can sing in tune (if that's the kind of music they're presenting), can move an audience emotionally and intellectually, has a powrful voice, has something original to say -- or, perhaps in a context like Indian raga singing, can present the tradition in an authentic and accomplished way. AND A playful creativity whose point is not to create a refined "product" (and I do not use the word pejoratively) but to provide a consciousness-changing experience that is valid in and of itself. Brenda Ueland, a wonderful creative writing teacher (I highly recommend her book "If you Want to Write"), when asked why she taught creative writing to working class people replied, (paraphrasing here) "Because I know of nothing else that takes peoples' minds off of being consumers better than creativity." Looping has led me (inspired by Yon's recent womanly loopers posts) to give improvisational singing classes for anyone who wants to come, no matter their musical skills. My solo looping has many aspects, one of which is just a meditation for myself, another is a "better/worse" art which I present in concert and which I hope is an accomplished music and which I spend time practicing to make it, hopefully, better. My singing classes are totally process-oriented - this is purely about creating a space for people to connect in a fun way with themselves and others. Playing games with music, intimacy and consciousness. "No mistakes" is the rule. Process, not product. As far as the self-esteem issue, the best writing about this is Kenny Werner's "Effortless Mastery"- it's really worth reading, he talks about many musicians basing their self-esteem on how good their music is that day, and how unhealthy that is. My favorite quote -- "When a musician is not linked to some higher purpose, his natural desire is to impress others. That desire cuts the depth out of the music." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 00:53:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ5pp917977; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:50:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> References: <000a01c4cdaf$ff985240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001301c4cdd0$6712e640$efe4a344@hppav> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, > the EDP is in production again Since when? -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 01:00:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ5x7020596; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:59:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:59:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Self esteem & looping Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:39:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTN6CWXnM1UDV4yR3uJMgwS9pW+6QACUkWA In-Reply-To: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041119043926.VONS5007.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I appreciate Rick's efforts to unify the looping community. Dedication to art can improve self esteem. Art makes ugly people beautiful. All you guys are beautiful--and you girls too! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 01:11:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ68xS22073; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:08:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:08:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419D8DCF.2060808@finleysound.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:08:15 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is this list moderated? 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I did offer a venue in the Spring in Fresno (The Grapes of Wrath in a Hot Tub).  I am organizing a new music festival and sent an email out to testify to this.  Just was concerned about it not getting, at least, to CA loopers.

Larry,

Us CA loopers would be interested in a re-posting.  Or, I guess more accurately, a posting.  Thanks!

Matt


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 01:16:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ6ETc22958; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:14:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:14:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000101c4cd9f$e7847bd0$0e00a8c0@khp1> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:13:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Electrix is Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:09 PM -0800 11/18/04, Richard Zvonar wrote: >Their Web site is functional and has a downloadable OS 1.1 update. >They answer e-mail queries. > >I get the impression that although they are definitely back in >operation technically they are still getting organized on the sales >and marketing end. I spoke too soon about Electrix being back in technical operation -- the evidence isn't there. The OS 1.1 update available for download on their Web site is the same one they were offering in October 2001. At that time they were supposedly working on a new release 1.2 (according to my records I was asked to beta test this version but I don't find any follow-up). As I said, best to wait and see. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 01:25:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ6NBE24284; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:23:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:23:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:21:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c4cdff$f52e66f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <64078F18-39E2-11D9-886A-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7lt7xB.A.r5F.fEZnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I do really find you guys, in all of your splendiferous multiplicity and imagination really kind of restrictive but less restrictive than a mass of republican metal heads. My wife tells me I have a special gift of being able to compliment and insult people at the same time. But Larry's got me beat, for sure. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 01:41:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ6cSt27021; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:38:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Fresno Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:37:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <419D8DCF.2060808@finleysound.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTN/oFse1JwX7UnT3e9KQIEt8fmegAA4jww Message-Id: <20041119063708.OXWK16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FRESNO! (LARRY) did offer a venue in the Spring in Fresno (The Grapes of Wrath in a Hot Tub). I am organizing a new music festival and sent an email out to testify to this. Just was concerned about it not getting, at least, to CA loopers. Larry, Us CA loopers would be interested in a re-posting. Or, I guess more accurately, a posting. Thanks! Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 02:57:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ7u4705588; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:46:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1111271632==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1111271632==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" First, a question: What's a "queery"? At 7:28 PM -0800 11/18/04, loop.pool wrote: >Hey Ted, > >You wrote: >"Mr. Self-Esteem Problem here. Heheh. Actually I got into looping >(way back when, 30 years ago, with tape delays) BECAUSE of low >self-esteem." Interesting. I got into "looping" (actually a 4-track version of Terry Riley's "time lag accumulator") as a format for group improvisation (mostly duos with Bob Beede, back in 1976-77 at Cabrillo. Most of the digital looping I've done in more recent years (ca. 1987-99) was in duo and group situations, though of necessity I started doing some solo gigs DJ-style when some opportunities came up (Loopstock, Woodstockhausen, Y2K2) and I was without a band. >"In other words, I was a misfit. I have often wondered over the years >just how much creative/industrious activity in the West was often >just the result of certain individuals drive/hunger to "compensate" for >a perceived personal "lack" in some other area -- misfits desperately >trying to "fit in" and find/found/forge a place for themselves in a >cruelly mocking and ever-threatening world.. " That's one way to look at it. Another way is to accept one's role as a "changeling" and forge ahead with the inner assurance that one is somehow "special." Of course this can be just another manifestation of what Ted's talking about - an overcompensation that can lead to egotism and arrogance. If one is lucky and cultivates wisdom then one might just pass through to a nicely balanced feeling of self-assurance and even performerly generosity. This was nicely put by Donovan in his song "There Was a Time": There was a time I thought of mine only Could it be occurred to me while lonely I was noble personage born to beautify the page. If I used my time to set it down. There was a time I thought of mine only Could it be occurred to me while lonely I was of high lineage cast up in a dreadful age born to be the hermit of my time. On a windy Saturday St. Alban's market day Little did I know the work I was to do or the love I had to show. >"1. Does being a "misfit" generate low self-esteem or vice versa." Often it comes from being smarter than most people but not realizing it yet. >"2. Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external?" Internal reactions to the external. >I believe that low self esteem results from poor or neglectful >parenting or even abuse (and I consider abandoment or the teaching >of young children not to have extreme emotions an abuse) during >childhood, personally, coupled with >a pervasive cultural perspective. It can also come from impersonal trauma such as an illness or accident. >I once asked a very wise elder woman I know why our culture didn't >respect its elders. She said "You cannot respect someone who does >not respect you". She said that because our cultural is so >dysfunctionalthat a whole generation of young people have grown up >(and continue to grow up) without any sense of what maturity is. To paraphrase the son of a Blackpool jailbird: "Pick your children well." There are a lot of ignorant and useless slackers out there and it's probably not worth the effort to reach out to most of them, but there are also a lot of youngsters with promise. My approach is to find a few good ones and give energy to them. Then they can take care of their less-motivated peers. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1111271632==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self est
First, a question:  What's a "queery"?

At 7:28 PM -0800 11/18/04, loop.pool wrote:
Hey Ted,
You wrote:
"Mr. Self-Esteem Problem here. Heheh. Actually I got into looping
(way back when, 30 years ago, with tape delays) BECAUSE of low
self-esteem."

Interesting. I got into "looping" (actually a 4-track version of Terry Riley's "time lag accumulator") as a format for group improvisation (mostly duos with Bob Beede, back in 1976-77 at Cabrillo.

Most of the digital looping I've done in more recent years (ca. 1987-99) was in duo and group situations, though of necessity I started doing some solo gigs DJ-style when some opportunities came up (Loopstock, Woodstockhausen, Y2K2) and I was without a band.

"In other words, I was a misfit. I have often wondered over the years
just how much creative/industrious activity in the West was often
just the result of certain individuals drive/hunger to "compensate" for
a perceived personal "lack" in some other area -- misfits desperately
trying to "fit in" and find/found/forge a place for themselves in a
cruelly mocking and ever-threatening world.. "

That's one way to look at it. Another way is to accept one's role as a "changeling" and forge ahead with the inner assurance that one is somehow "special." Of course this can be just another manifestation of what Ted's talking about - an overcompensation that can lead to egotism and arrogance. If one is lucky and cultivates wisdom then one might just pass through to a nicely balanced feeling of self-assurance and even performerly generosity.

This was nicely put by Donovan in his song "There Was a Time":

There was a time I thought of mine only
Could it be occurred to me while lonely
I was noble personage
born to beautify the page.
If I used my time to set it down.

There was a time I thought of mine only
Could it be occurred to me while lonely
I was of high lineage
cast up in a dreadful age
born to be the hermit of my time.

On a windy Saturday
St. Alban's market day
Little did I know
the work I was to do
or the love I had to show.


"1. Does being a "misfit" generate low self-esteem or vice versa."

Often it comes from being smarter than most people but not realizing it yet.

"2. Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external?"

Internal reactions to the external.


I believe that low self esteem results from poor or neglectful parenting or even abuse (and I consider abandoment or the teaching of young children not to have extreme emotions an abuse) during childhood, personally, coupled with
a pervasive cultural perspective.

It can also come from impersonal trauma such as an illness or accident.


I once asked a very wise elder woman I know why our culture didn't respect its elders. She said "You cannot respect someone who does not respect you".   She said that because our cultural is so dysfunctionalthat a whole generation of young people have grown up (and continue to grow up) without any sense of what maturity is.

To paraphrase the son of a Blackpool jailbird: "Pick your children well."

There are a lot of ignorant and useless slackers out there and it's probably not worth the effort to reach out to most of them, but there are also a lot of youngsters with promise. My approach is to find a few good ones and give energy to them. Then they can take care of their less-motivated peers.


--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1111271632==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 03:44:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ8fqn12272; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.0.1] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Low Self Esteem and Looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:40:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2004 08:41:01.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F9C59B0:01C4CE13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a response to Rick's reflections on self esteem ,attention spans and creativity from my friend Steven Rosenthal,who invents instruments and tunings,does large (150' diameter)interactive musical sculptures,and was, with Darrell DeVore ,a founding member of the original Future Primitive Ensemble in the early 70s. " I agree with the premise, but I think I have drawn different conclusions. I'll start with the introductory line of my bio: "The emerging global culture is an outgrowth of a more global use of the mind..." I have encountered pretty much all the behaviors mentioned below and, looking at them on the surface, think the same things; "these kids (under about 35) can't concentrate, they're unfocused, under educated, uninformed, disinterested, etc. But then I have to wonder, maybe they are prepared, or preparing, for a very different world. In the latter part of the 20th century we witnessed the dissolution and gradual reforming of many of our core definitions. It seemed to me in the late 80's early 90's that relativism neutralized many  denotations, critical theory, radical feminism, certain schools of psychology, and other approaches elevated connotation above concrete definition. Since then denotations have seemed to come back into focus albeit transformed to accommodate, I believe, the reality of the holistic quantum world over the more linear Newtonian/Cartesian paradigm. Back to the point; we are living in a world where the notion of too much information isn't an apathetic complaint, it's a reality. I was raised in a time where a basic educational premise was that it was possible to learn everything there was to know about something. This is simply not true anymore, furthermore, we are continually finding that much of what we do "know" is fundamentally flawed. I find in many young people a sort of naiveté coupled with a deep cynicism. Given the fact that they had baby boomers for parents, grew up with a remote control in their hands, in a world where sex could kill you, and bombarded with 100 years of recorded media  (which is an environment totally alien to that which most traditional art forms evolved in); their attitude and inability or disinterest in methodical linear processes kind of makes sense. Turn-tableism makes sense, club scenes in which music that is not the focus but an element of a multimedia social banquet makes sense, as does rap in which only occasional phrases pop out of a blur of words. So, before we make pronouncements such as "there is a lack of creativity" we have to check our definitions in the contemporary context. I'm not talking about relativism, I'm talking about how to describe a world (view) that is in the middle of profound transition. Whereas in traditional cultures, change occasionally occurred against a backdrop of continuity, the only continuity we may look for now is in the rate of change. The Balinese example cited below is a good example. I had the good fortune to live and work on Bali in 1995 for about 7 weeks. I found that the statement below "…the vastly creative Balinese culture don't even have words for Art in their vocabulary, simply because everyone in (sic) the artist goes home after work and does something creative." is both true and false by American definitions of "art" and "creativity". I spent time with carvers, painters, and dancers both young and old (mostly male), and found little interest in doing something new or inventive. I got the feeling that left to their own devices, they would much prefer to paint or dance scenes from the Ramayana in the traditional ways. I learned that many, if not most, of what we see of contemporary Balinese arts and crafts were originally designed or requested by Westerners looking for products for export. Its my understanding that even the Kachak, or Monkey Chant, was originally created by a Westerner in the 20th century. In America novelty and innovation are highly valued, perhaps the current youth culture is so awash in it that they take it for granted. Also, in general, I would disagree that there is any shortage of creativity in America today. But much of it is directed towards commercial ends; follow the money. It is common for Westerners to visit non-western societies and come away with the impression that the locals are lazy and apathetic, largely because of their lack of "yankee hustle" or misunderstood behavior. Perhaps American youth have already changed so much that we misread their behavior. Is it lack of self esteem or a profoundly different sense of self (and the world)? " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 03:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJ8n0O13380; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:49:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:49:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:47:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003a01c4cde7$dbe5dab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:40:11 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.243.175 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <0u-KqD.A.dQD.jNbnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com an interesting topic, true. I still (being 50) have problems with self-esteem, not so much in my daily and (non-musician) professional life, but definitely when making music. Especially when jamming with people who are very professional musicians, the fear to be judged and the self-image that I actually can't play very good still often makes me disappear - I don't dare to stand out and play solos, or to take initiatives. Rather, I play with too little volume. And this even though people usually tell me afterwards, I think I like what you played but can you turn it up a little please? > Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external?" I'd say the self-esteem thing (high or low) is a self-image, a bunch of deeply seated ideas about ourselves. This society is built on comparing and competition. We suck that up with our mother's milk, and depending on how we were configured in the beginning, and conditioned during our early years, we end up with a self image that we are either better or worse than others. Just like the other parts of our self-image, it is continuously held up by habitual - and usually unnoticed and therefore unconscious - ways of thinking. Comparing and judging, mostly. Either I'm not so good and they are better, or they aren't so good and I'm better. Or, what do they expect and can I meet their expectations to that they love and admire me. I guess one way to deal with it is to slowly recondition ourselves, by facing our fears, like Rick does with his solo voice loop shows, learning that one isn't so bad after all, and getting a better self-esteem over time. I'm also trying to stand out more during jams and trust my musical abilities more. Just like one gets more used to play on stage when one plays more on stages. Generally, I'd say it is necessary to closely watch the unconscious comparing/judging thoughts right in the moment when they come up and do their thing. When watched closely they become less unconscious and automatic. The more I spend time watching the same things going on again and again, the more I see that I'm acting like a programmed machine most of the time. Oh well. But sometimes in these moments when I see that clearly, I feel free. Oh my god. Let's start a psycho/meditation group and do looping retreats. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 05:26:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJAQ2728908; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:26:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YtUa/EW0cI46FyP+wA13ATew7o6W5RVMNj/0HWKQkxTWfxuuzyP43MoZY05WIeF7SxSYLxFeFP9uD7LJu98pw2mRkt0KB+JCrE2D+ClUbKI9ACdc8LM/tYr2lZOFaVPuqLtMCgsXzZElwM/HVpb95tVP7VOlN4Sz9ooDBSt/9R4= ; Message-ID: <20041119102515.1511.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000201c4cdff$f52e66f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The apparent contradiction implied there is consistent with something I've observed in myself and in many people a lot more creative than I am (musicians, looping or non-looping, visual artists, writers, etc.), which is a low self-image/poor self-esteem coupled with a robust ego, sort of like a non-homogenous confidence. Maybe we could call it 'paradoxymoronia'... It's the 'artistic temperament' thing. "I know my ideas are brilliant, but I'm probably wrong about that." -t- --- the toy room wrote: > >>I do really find you guys, in all of your > splendiferous multiplicity > and imagination really kind of restrictive but less > restrictive than a > mass of republican metal heads. > > My wife tells me I have a special gift of being able > to compliment and > insult people at the same time. But Larry's got me > beat, for sure. > > rich > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 06:56:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJBtif08519; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:55:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:54:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from a Philip Glass interview: "In this society, in relationship to artists, is one of the most brutal societies that you can imagine....We have a fairly narrow spectrum of acceptance, let's say, of 'safe' groups of people in this country. By becoming an artist, you definitely fall out of that class. I don't know an artist--and I've talked to many people, a visual theatre artist or a music or a performance artist--whose parents when they were young, asked them to become an artist. I don't know anyone who didn't on their own say, 'I am going to become a painter,' 'I am going to be a sculptor.' And so that later on when they say, 'Well, I'm not doing well; I'm having a hard time,' people say: 'Who asked you to do it?' Or this is the reply: 'If you want to spend your time painting pictures, that's fine, but don't expect *us* to help you.' This is the American life; this is the way we do it here. That's why these question come up. But we come back to why is it to begin with, in the face of this, that one will do it anyway? And in fact to the point that, in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American artists are among the strongest in the world. For reasons that are not clear--maybe the heterogeneous nature of the society, the extreme independence of the artist through survival. the lack of real tradition in the arts in this country--the many factors maybe make it so that we develop a very strong artistic personality in this country. To begin as an artist means to take on a life of struggle, so that at 41 you may finally be making a living as an artist. My European artist friends would say, 'My gosh, it took you so long,' but in this country you'd say, 'You mean you did it so quickly?' It's because it can easily never happen. ...Music is one of the few places, perhaps one of the only places, where we find the meeting of our intellectual life and our emotional life. The possibility of forming a perfect match can take place there. We can use our brains in one way and at the same time respond. I don't know of any other thing that does that, where the raw stuff of art becomes emotions in certain ways, which are captured through this strange and elaborate process of artistic technique. It's a very curious phenomenon. I think when one is struck by that, it can be at an early age, or sometimes later in life, but it can become the focus of all the energy you have. In this way, being an artist is more like a vocation; it's more like a calling in that you can't be asked to do it, and you also can't be dissuaded from doing it. It sounds abstract, but it's also a daily process. If you work every day at it, it becomes very immediate, and there is a constant engagement with this. I think that's the primary motivation. Now, there are many others. I know for some people there are very much simpler things, things like money and power and fame and all those things too, the usual gamut of human gratification. Certainly there are few artists who don't have some elements of all those things. But I would say that the primary one for me is that this is one area where this most intangible thing can be made almost as solid as a rock." TravisH On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > "In other words, I was a misfit. I have often wondered over the years > just how much creative/industrious activity in the West was often > just the result of certain individuals drive/hunger to "compensate" for > a perceived personal "lack" in some other area -- misfits desperately > trying to "fit in" and find/found/forge a place for themselves in a > cruelly mocking and ever-threatening world.. " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 06:59:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJBwKh09140; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4111BAFE-3A22-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: is this list moderated? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:57:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looper's Delight is not moderated. Kim is the administrator, but he does not moderate the postings. It's a somewhat anarchistic free market of ideas. TravisH On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Larry Cooperman > Date: November 18, 2004 6:37:03 PM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: is this list moderated? > > > Is this list moderated? If it is by who? Kim? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 07:08:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJC6VK12537; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:06:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:05:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think it was ever "out of production", there have just been long periods when none were being manufactured. Seriously. Think of "Out Of Production" as happening when the management says "We're never making any of those again" as opposed to "We're only going to make one run every year or two" or "We'll make some whenever that production line isn't busy doing something else." Just because there isn't an EDP assembly line that runs five days a week doesn't mean they're out of production. Now, the Repeater, that's been out of production (along with all the Electrix boxes) for several years. Maybe it'll come back, but the current Electrix site looks like they just brought back the last version of site and updated a bit of the text. I still wouldn't rule out the Repeater going back into production once they run the numbers. Maybe it'll be done as a plug-in or something. TravisH On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > > > David, > >> the EDP is in production again > > Since when? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 07:32:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJCVci16736; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:29:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 19, 2004, at 13:05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I still wouldn't rule out the Repeater going back into production once > they run the numbers. Maybe it'll be done as a plug-in or something. Fascinating idea! But if the already existing plug-in Augustus Loop should get updated with a time-stretching function, it would be pretty close. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 07:53:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJCqev21296; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:52:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:52:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c4ce36$8f47cde0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200411190616.iAJ6GqU23177@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: reply to Larry Cooperman about his thoughts about low self esteem Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:51:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Larry, You wrote: "Now I gave my CD to the Walker brothers, it wasn't looping but it was wild and crazy solo guitar that I can't imagine coming from too many sources. Do I have low self esteem because they haven't said anything about it? Well, yes. I am sad and hurt like a wounded animal on speed. Why? WHY!? Why I am I so rejected by the people I want not to reject me? You don't like me now do you? My music is bad and I know it." Just for a point of information: For better or for worse, I recieve about 5-10 CDs a week consistently from the international live looping (probably because I've been aggressive about promoting live looping festivals here and around the world)....................week in and week out. I also produce festivals of found sound, voice and electronics, emerging Santa Cruz Electronica, Dark Ambient music, Creative DJs and Beatboxing during the year so I get all that material as well. I'm inundated by people's tracks and I honestly try to get to all of them. The Y2K4 Live Looping Festival took me 6 weeks of hard, unpaid and constant work to produce after a very, very stressful personal year. There were travelling artists staying at my home for two weeks after the festival as well. I probably was handed a dozen CDs to listen to (and I"m grateful they were shared with me) at the Festival itself. I then, immediately had to start preparing for performances at the AES convention, NPR Nashville and the PASIC convention..............again...........all in an attempt to promote the cause of live looping (and my own career ). Long story short, I've hardly listened to anyone's CDs in the interim time frame because I have had neither the time nor the energy to do so, so my not getting back to you is entirely NOT PERSONAL!!!!!!!!!!! Nor should it reflect on your own self esteem issues. For what it is worth, the CD I am most proud about in the past four years is my CD 'Faux Voix'. I have, to date, sold a grand total of two CDs here at Loopers Delight since I put it out almost a year ago. I was really lucky because I got a couple of really nice reviews out of those sales, but talk about not feeling supported. I've sent dozens and dozens of complimentary CDs out to fellow loopers and journalists and have only generated two reviews for my efforts. But you know what? I've finally realized that I have to do music for the sake of doing music. I've realized that I have to completely let go of people liking what I do. It was hurting the quality of my art to constantly be insecure about how it is recieved. Low self esteem? I have plenty of it, my friend so I can really relate how you feel. Insecurity? You betcha!!!! It just goes with the territory. soooooooooooooooooooo, I'll get to your CD when I have time (and my last incredible several month run of hard work finally came to an end in Nashville last week, when I promptly got a bad cold that I've had ever since. I promise you, I will. In the meantime, buck up, man!!!!! It's just not personal, I promise you. Keep doing your artistry. It's a very good thing! I'll get back to you. yours, respectfully and in friendship and solidarity, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 09:10:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJE8WX04185; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:08:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:08:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:09:03 -0500 Subject: More thoughts on looping, low self-esteem From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My last note was kinda cerebral, but I realized I feel very moved by you guys sharing your personal feelings, stories about music, looping, and self-esteem -- So wanted to share some of my own feelings - I definitely relate to the misfit finding a home in music story - Remember noodling at the piano, maybe age 7 or so, as my mother and sister were talking for what seemed like hours- I really craved the intimacy but didn't know how to get it, so looked for it in the sounds of my music -- Music has been both a healer and an isolator for me (especially with the advent of computers, loopers) -- What's interesting is, I've spent the last 4 years or so in an intense lonely woodshedding phase, learning looping, raga singing, and some other solo stuff -- as I pursue the artistic direction naturally flowing out of that, it's taking me to playing in lots of duos, collaborating with dancers, and teaching my improv voice class -- which is all about relating to other people. So it's almost as though the natural pursuit of an intense solo art that I developed as something to balance out my feeling of disconnection and alienation is leading me to heal the trauma that created that need - by pushing me into pursuing connection with others as I become dissatisfied with just doing it alone. Does this make any sense? And kudos to Rick for your solo vocal looping shows -- that's just what I'm talking about, there's something in pursuing our path that naturally pushes us to take risks. And if we're brave enough, we rise to the challenge . . . How about this idea - art is a naturally self-evolving spiritual path? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 09:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJEpKk09775; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:51:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:51:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56C86D48-3A3A-11D9-BBE2-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: More thoughts on looping, low self-esteem Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:50:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 19, 2004, at 15:09, steve.sandberg wrote: > art is a naturally self-evolving spiritual path? Definitely. But then what is not art? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 10:18:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJFCIF14070; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:12:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <000201c4cdff$f52e66f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000201c4cdff$f52e66f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <07FAF872-3A3D-11D9-9897-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:09:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:21 PM, the toy room wrote: >>> I do really find you guys, in all of your splendiferous multiplicity > and imagination really kind of restrictive but less restrictive than a > mass of republican metal heads. > > My wife tells me I have a special gift of being able to compliment and > insult people at the same time. But Larry's got me beat, for sure. > > rich > > Damn, sniff, dats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. I love you guys... Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 10:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJFeBx19283; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:40:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:40:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <00dc01c4ce36$8f47cde0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GqU23177@hemlock.violacea.com> <00dc01c4ce36$8f47cde0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: reply to Larry Cooperman about his thoughts about low self esteem Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:37:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 19, 2004, at 4:51 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Hey Larry, > > You wrote: > "Now I gave my CD to the Walker brothers, it wasn't looping but it was > wild and crazy solo guitar that I can't imagine coming from too many > sources. Do I have low self esteem because they haven't said anything > about it? Well, yes. I am sad and hurt like a wounded animal on > speed. > Why? WHY!? Why I am I so rejected by the people I want not to reject > me? You don't like me now do you? My music is bad and I know it." > > > > Just for a point of information: For better or for worse, I > recieve about 5-10 CDs a week consistently from > the international live looping (probably because I've been aggressive > about promoting live looping festivals here and around the > world)....................week in and week out. I also produce > festivals of found sound, voice and electronics, emerging Santa Cruz > Electronica, Dark Ambient music, Creative DJs and Beatboxing during > the year so I get all that material as well. I'm inundated by > people's tracks and I honestly try to get to all of them. Me too. With New Millennium Guitar I get a lot of mostly boring classical guitar stuff which leads me to Tim Mungenast's CD. What a kick! He gets some of the best clean guitar sounds and his ideas, although it has a plethora of major chords and stuff, are so interesting! Thanks Tim if you're reading, I'm really happy to get a hold of your music. > > The Y2K4 Live Looping Festival took me 6 weeks of hard, unpaid and > constant work to produce after a very, very > stressful personal year. There were travelling artists staying at my > home for two weeks after the festival as well. > I probably was handed a dozen CDs to listen to (and I"m grateful they > were shared with me) at the Festival itself. > I then, immediately had to start preparing for performances at the AES > convention, NPR Nashville and the PASIC > convention..............again...........all in an attempt to promote > the cause of live looping (and my own career be disengenuous>). Damn, I was only kidding there Looper Trooper. It's this whole self esteem thing. > > Long story short, I've hardly listened to anyone's CDs in the > interim time frame because I have had neither the time nor the energy > to do so, so my not getting back to > you is entirely NOT PERSONAL!!!!!!!!!!! Nor should it reflect on > your own self esteem issues. Well Rick, I've decided I have SLOW self esteem. Or I will eventually self-esteem my rug. I suggest that Tim watches Oprah and I watch Law and Order. > > For what it is worth, the CD I am most proud about in the past four > years is my CD 'Faux Voix'. > I have, to date, sold a grand total of two CDs here at Loopers Delight > since I put it out almost a year ago. > I was really lucky because I got a couple of really nice reviews out > of those sales, but talk about not feeling supported. > I've sent dozens and dozens of complimentary CDs out to fellow loopers > and journalists and have only generated > two reviews for my efforts. Oh shit Rick, I just gave it to bro Walker because I didn't get a chance to do what I really do at the gig and you asked that I play one of my pieces. Instead I did bad stand up comedy about manuals with my second in comedy Kim. The highlights of my music making have been when someone else records my music. I'm most proud of my teaching career and the highlight of that was maybe keeping a few Hispanic students from joining the Army over the past few years. > > But you know what? I've finally realized that I have to do music for > the sake of doing music. I've realized that I have to completely let > go of people liking what I do. It was hurting the quality of my art > to constantly be insecure about how it is recieved. My self esteem is very slow. You know something Tim and Rick, I just absolutely don't give a crap what people think of me. I don't even pluck my ear hair half the time. My wife does it while I drive and it has almost caused an accident once. > > Low self esteem? I have plenty of it, my friend so I can really > relate how you feel. > Insecurity? You betcha!!!! I am such a hyena that I wouldn't take me seriously until we talk about what the hell is going on in the world. All of this music stuff, I am therefore I do and I never waste time asking for opinions. I was just screwing with you in a friendly way, that's all. > > It just goes with the territory. > > soooooooooooooooooooo, I'll get to your CD when I have time (and my > last incredible several month run of hard work finally came to an end > in Nashville last week, when I promptly got a bad cold that I've had > ever since. > I promise you, I will. Let's do lunch. I'll have Igor call your lab rat. > > In the meantime, buck up, man!!!!! It's just not personal, I > promise you. > Keep doing your artistry. It's a very good thing! I'll get back to > you. Rick, I'm surprised at you! You need lessons from the master of stupid aesthetic banter. Damn if I don't think it's all a joke. All you guys are too serious. Please Brother no serious stuff. No bucking up except to go for a recount and the New world order. We are all clowns and not the Steven King kind. Yours in psychology and face paint, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 10:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJFgeV19769; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:39:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c4ce4d$f1b10390$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <07FAF872-3A3D-11D9-9897-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Damn, sniff, dats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. I love you guys... Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com LOL. You're welcome, Larry. I just went to your site for a few minutes and had a short read. I'll be back for more, gots to head off to work. You're a genius. Albeit a severely bitter and twisted one. Hows that for a "compliminsult"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 10:56:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJFt6R22588; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <000201c4ce4d$f1b10390$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000201c4ce4d$f1b10390$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:51:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 19, 2004, at 7:39 AM, the toy room wrote: >> Damn, sniff, dats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. > > I love you guys... > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > LOL. You're welcome, Larry. > I just went to your site for a few minutes and had a short read. I'll > be back for more, gots to head off to work. > > You're a genius. Albeit a severely bitter and twisted one. > > Hows that for a "compliminsult"? A "complisult?" seems better but more minimal. How about "you make me feel like killing myself with your pedestrian cosmology although I will worship you in the meantime," > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 11:23:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJGMVM29876; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6049026.1100881320723.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:22:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: walker bros? Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "*the* Walker Brothers?" From "back in the day"? Yeah, it sux when yer heroes diss you like that. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman Sent: Nov 18, 2004 11:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping I think that some people get into popular music as a result of low self esteem? Serious music is another thing. People get into that for many reasons. I still think that looping, in many cases, is adjunct to popular music until someone loops something that makes me throw up or kill. Can you see a guy with low self esteem getting into playing baroque recorder to build up self esteem when popular music is so much more socially cogent? Maybe, it depends on the crowd that you will choose to build you up I guess. Give me an accordion and I'll work on my smile. The reason I got into music is because of family heritage and girls. I have low self esteem only when people require me to act like the rest of the herd. I can't hip-speak or act like the aged hippie I am supposed to be. I don't know you that well Ted. I met you at the gig. I did notice a resignation in your demeanor. You are big that's why I remember. Big people are more forceful sometimes. My low self esteem causes me to yell and get angry!!!!? I'm not sure. I wonder about myself and all of us. You and everyone else I met at the Y2K4 were stark raving individuals and you just can't have low self esteem about that. I mean you can if you want but in a herd of disparate animals there is nothing to live up to so it seems crazy to just keep looking at your feet. Now I gave my CD to the Walker brothers, it wasn't looping but it was wild and crazy solo guitar that I can't imagine coming from too many sources. Do I have low self esteem because they haven't said anything about it? Well, yes. I am sad and hurt like a wounded animal on speed. Why? WHY!? Why I am I so rejected by the people I want not to reject me? You don't like me now do you? My music is bad and I know it. Talk about a bunch of "if it ain't what we approve of then it is um, other stuff." I do really find you guys, in all of your splendiferous multiplicity and imagination really kind of restrictive but less restrictive than a mass of republican metal heads. Most people, especially guitarists, need to look at their expectations of major chords. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 11:42:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJGex300773; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <24649562.1100882426727.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:40:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: thanks for the affirmation Re: reply to Larry Cooperman about his thoughts about low self esteem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry, thanks so much for the kind words. As for major vs. minor chords, I just pick whatever fits the melody that I hear in my head, whether it's basic first-position "cowboy chords" or some effed-up mutation chord I stumbled across and made my own. (I luv it when that happens! God lives in chords!) I use open strings whenever possible, and I like tight intervals on the wound strings to add some "growl." Wound strings move me... I luv the overtones, especially when ya shake the note a bit to help them bloom. I figger if it sounds cool on an unplugged electric, it'll really do the job when I plug in. Yours in My Bloody Valentine, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 11:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJGfw001012; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:41:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:41:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:40:54 +0000 Message-Id: <111920041640.10566.419E2216000B30F80000294622007507840301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 11 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <6j2a7B.A.cM.dIinBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hows that for a "compliminsult"? > > A "complisult?" seems better but more minimal. > > How about "you make me feel like killing myself with your pedestrian > cosmology although I will worship you in the meantime," hahaha! cool. Complisult it is, then. Pedestrian Cosmology. What course number is that? Is it 3 units or 4? Sign me up! best, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 12:26:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJHONm09925; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:24:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:24:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12466145.1100885020795.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:23:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: another useful term? Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9CavRB.A.dZC.dwinBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "pedestrian cosmology"? Great! I often use the term "corn-fed mysticism" when referring to my own thought processes. :-0 Loop Luv, Tim www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- From: thetoyroom@comcast.net Sent: Nov 19, 2004 11:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping > > Hows that for a "compliminsult"? > > A "complisult?" seems better but more minimal. > > How about "you make me feel like killing myself with your pedestrian > cosmology although I will worship you in the meantime," hahaha! cool. Complisult it is, then. Pedestrian Cosmology. What course number is that? Is it 3 units or 4? Sign me up! best, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:02:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJI1RG18597; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:00:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, Whether 'out of production' or not, new EDPs are effectively unavailable anywhere in the civilized world. As far as I know the last EDPs were manufactured almost 2 years ago and most of that production run has sat in a warehouse until a couple of months ago. Also, as far as I can tell, none of those recently released machines can be had for love or money anywhere in Europe. I reacted to your post because you said 'the EDP is in production again'. To me 'again' means 'has been out of production but is now being actively manufactured and marketed in shops'. Sadly that is not the case. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:04:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJI2qh18887; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:00:58 EST Subject: Re: Low Self Esteem and Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow! Seems like I may have touched a nerve or something. So very many different perspectives on the same matter -- all expressed=20 so cogently (well, for the most part anyway). I hardly know where=20 to begin to sort through it all. Is this a great group or what? Group hug! Group hug everyone! Heheheh. I feel so validated! LOL More seriously -- it seems like this is an issue a lot of us struggle=20 with -- or certainly have an opinion about (obviously formed from=20 experience in SOME way or another). To my thinking, how could=20 it be otherwise? I really appreciate all of the posts though. It's been kinda refreshing to read that people are really (at the crux of the biscuit) experiencing (and dealing) with a lot of the same=20 "issues" down deep where they "live." To me (when thinking, communicating, listening to others about=20 such matters) this is the place where I am most being HUMAN.=20 Lest any of you think that I am constantly consumed with gloom,=20 doom and an unmanly self-pity. I am not -- or at least I don't=20 think so. Heheh. Maybe I'm just a little more forthright, perhaps,=20 than the average bear about what's on the inside -- not just=20 the surface. At least that's what I tell myself. :-) Many of you have bravely "parted the veil" a little to reveal a little of yourselves and that is good thing. It's certainly good for the=20 community (I think). Communication is good. It's one of the=20 reasons why I cherish the times I've spent at loopfests (Rick's=20 in particular). It's the deeper friendships that have come out=20 of them. It's not all ego-stroking and stuff-strutting. Heheh. You know, one of you posted (in jest) an idea I have thought about from time to time -- the idea of a looping "retreat." Not one that was filled with mind-numbing psychobabble necessarily. But, it=20 WOULD be an organized place/space to meet for a period of time=20 and share ideas, techniques, technologies, philosophies, and most=20 of all MUSIC -- away from the glare, expectation and stress of a=20 "normal" performance situation (even one so forgiving as Y2K4). In other words it might look like a loopfest out in the "woods"=20 somewhere -- but without the expectation of drawing an audience=20 from the outside. Heheh. Even I laugh. But is the idea really so ridiculous as all of that? Maybe "courses" could be organized on some level. I'd pay good money for an advanced tutorial on EDP turntablism from Andre LaFosse, or rhythmic instruction from a Rick Walker, or an introduction to=20 real-time laptop processing and software looping from whomever (somebody conversant and broadly knowledgeable). Kim Flint could help many us get a better grasp of the vast capabilities of the EDP=20 I'm sure. Richard Zvonar, PhD could offer a course on loop "history"=20 and the inner workings of those Eventide super-processors he uses. Maybe it's an idea that would never work. But it's still something=20 to think about. What would the cost/benefit be? Would anybody=20 actually come?=20 I live in southern Oregon. There are woods all around the area. For some reason the idea springs to mind every time I drive by=20 the highway sign for the "Oregon Vortex." Heheheheheheheheh. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow!

Seems like I may have touched a nerve or something. So very
many different perspectives on the same matter -- all expressed
so cogently (well, for the most part anyway). I hardly know where
to begin to sort through it all. Is this a great group or what?
Group hug! Group hug everyone! Heheheh. I feel so validated! LOL

More seriously -- it seems like this is an issue a lot of us struggle
with -- or certainly have an opinion about (obviously formed from
experience in SOME way or another). To my thinking, how could
it be otherwise? I really appreciate all of the posts though. It's
been kinda refreshing to read that people are really (at the crux
of the biscuit) experiencing (and dealing) with a lot of the same
"issues" down deep where they "live."

To me (when thinking, communicating, listening to others about
such matters) this is the place where I am most being HUMAN.
Lest any of you think that I am constantly consumed with gloom,
doom and an unmanly self-pity. I am not -- or at least I don't
think so. Heheh. Maybe I'm just a little more forthright, perhaps,
than the average bear about what's on the inside -- not just
the surface. At least that's what I tell myself. :-)

Many of you have bravely "parted the veil" a little to reveal a little
of yourselves and that is good thing. It's certainly good for the
community (I think). Communication is good. It's one of the
reasons why I cherish the times I've spent at loopfests (Rick's
in particular). It's the deeper friendships that have come out
of them. It's not all ego-stroking and stuff-strutting. Heheh.

You know, one of you posted (in jest) an idea I have thought about
from time to time -- the idea of a looping "retreat." Not one that
was filled with mind-numbing psychobabble necessarily. But, it
WOULD be an organized place/space to meet for a period of time
and share ideas, techniques, technologies, philosophies, and most
of all MUSIC -- away from the glare, expectation and stress of a
"normal" performance situation (even one so forgiving as Y2K4).
In other words it might look like a loopfest out in the "woods"
somewhere -- but without the expectation of drawing an audience
from the outside.

Heheh. Even I laugh. But is the idea really so ridiculous as all of that? Maybe "courses" could be organized on some level. I'd pay good money
for an advanced tutorial on EDP turntablism from Andre LaFosse,
or rhythmic instruction from a Rick Walker, or an introduction to
real-time laptop processing and software looping from whomever
(somebody conversant and broadly knowledgeable). Kim Flint could
help many us get a better grasp of the vast capabilities of the EDP
I'm sure. Richard Zvonar, PhD could offer a course on loop "history"
and the inner workings of those Eventide super-processors he uses.

Maybe it's an idea that would never work. But it's still something
to think about. What would the cost/benefit be? Would anybody
actually come?

I live in southern Oregon. There are woods all around the area.
For some reason the idea springs to mind every time I drive by
the highway sign for the "Oregon Vortex." Heheheheheheheheh.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:14:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJICLY20857; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:12:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c4ce63$e4893d20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:16:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.150.49] at Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:11:04 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <4ufzr.A.8BF.9cjnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry to have created any confusion. I was assuming that Gibson and the people in the UK who've been building the EDP had sorted out their issues and production had resumed. However, I may be very wrong on that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Petersen" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix > Travis, > > Whether 'out of production' or not, new EDPs are effectively > unavailable anywhere in the civilized world. As far as I know the last > EDPs were manufactured almost 2 years ago and most of that production > run has sat in a warehouse until a couple of months ago. Also, as far > as I can tell, none of those recently released machines can be had for > love or money anywhere in Europe. > > I reacted to your post because you said 'the EDP is in production > again'. To me 'again' means 'has been out of production but is now > being actively manufactured and marketed in shops'. Sadly that is not > the case. > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:18:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJIGfa21930; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda@aol.com> References: <9b.52dede10.2ecf8eda@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-174226149 Message-Id: From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Low Self Esteem and Looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:13:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-174226149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Nov 19, 2004, at 10:00 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Wow! > > Seems like I may have touched a nerve or something. GD RIGHT BUBBA! i am so smallsmaller oh what a world, what a world.... Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1-174226149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Nov 19, 2004, at 10:00 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: GenevaWow! GenevaSeems like I may have touched a nerve or something. GD RIGHT BUBBA! i am so <small<smaller oh what a world, what a world....<Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1-174226149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:28:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJIRxs23684; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29493135.1100888841063.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:27:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a crucial point though where a product gets seriously out of production and things like die parts get destroyed. All-graphite Steinbergers (for example) are seriously Out Of Production because the molds for the graphite parts wear out after a while and the master molds for making new ones have deteriorated beyond the point of usability. The cost to resume production on those things is prohibitive. With the EDP, I think it's more a matter of someone at Gibson greenlighting another run. Although, since the design is eight or nine years old there may be some parts which are becoming difficult to find, but the EDP is such a small number item it may not be a pressing issue yet. Yeah, living in Europe has its drawbacks at times. The grey market seems to be the only solution there. I'd have to disagree with "unavailable anywhere in the civilised world", unless you mean "new in box". There's rarely more than a few days when one isn't on eBay. There's one now for US$725. A motivated person could find a way to get it Europe for a few hundred dollars. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23792&item=3763294455&rd=1 TravisH >From: Ian Petersen >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix >Travis, >Whether 'out of production' or not, new EDPs are effectively >unavailable anywhere in the civilized world. As far as I know the last >EDPs were manufactured almost 2 years ago and most of that production >run has sat in a warehouse until a couple of months ago. Also, as far >as I can tell, none of those recently released machines can be had for >love or money anywhere in Europe. >I reacted to your post because you said 'the EDP is in production >again'. To me 'again' means 'has been out of production but is now >being actively manufactured and marketed in shops'. Sadly that is not >the case. >-- >Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:29:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJIShX23841; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.62] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Artists as outsiders Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:27:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2004 18:28:00.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FF26FB0:01C4CE65] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Art is the social statement of the solitary human- the oyster making a pearl in response to the sand grain that got in it's shell.Balinese culture doesn't have the distintion between Art and craft that wetern culture traditinally has had. The Balinese also have ritual performance in which they act out,give expression to their scary monsters from the Id,seemingly making it much less likely that they project them onto each other,or better yet the Other as we in the west do so much. This manifests in everything from rejection and mistreatment of kids who are different, to rascism and xenophobia ,to polarized tribal politics , to War. In western culture the outsider status of artists ,makes it more likely that the artists have enough perspective to reflect something meaningful back into the group,if it cares to notice.Van Gogh only sold one painting in his life .I think the misfit thing starts in school which tends to cultivate a sort of attenuated cognitive dissonance .We are taught that we are free,freer than any one else in the world has ever been,and that we're all equal.Then we're forced to conform by sittng still in one place all day,learning what we're supposed to,basically punished if we don't learn it,on schedule ,and then we must compete with each other(even tho we're spozedto be equal) for who gets the privileges,ie getting into the best colleges,getting the best education allowing one to get prefered employment,afford to buy the best houses and consumer goodies.Cognitive dissonance craves resolution -some find it in actively competeing,and getting the goodies-some by rebellling ,and getting negative attention-Some just don't accept,or even understand the terms of the game and dabble in creating more interesting worlds for themselves . I think the term self esteem is partly misleading,because what the pressure for social conformity often causes people to do ,is to create a social persona.Persona is the name for the masks worn in the Roman version of Greek theater .Persona,personality is a mask for playing a role. I think social conformity involves convincing oneself that one is the character,by convincing others.Some of us have trouble with this,or aren;t convinced that they are the character they portray. This could be low self esteem,or I could call it ,not getting juicy feedback for the characdter one portrays.The Jungians use the term Individuation ,for the procerss of forming a sense of self that includes the whole psyche,not just the social surface.I think the misfit artists in our culture are the ones who have access to the deeper subconscious parts of the psyche,which are mostly suppressed when they can't be ignored in "normal "life,thus we can give expression to a deeper richer sense of the moment, of the experience of living.We can bring the best of our solitary deep selves and imaginations to the group in a way that enriches everyone,and strikes a balance between self and group that doesn't require suppression of the self. As a child the outsider thing was painful,but now I feel almost like I escaped prison by not being able to fit in. BTW there is a huge Poetry Slam movement going on inthe US .I'm not that interestsed in poetry as a competitive performance art myself,but the ancient Greeks were,The Laureate was the winner of a huge competition that drew thousands of spectators and was fiercely competitive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 13:48:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJIlQq28322; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Artists as outsiders Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:43:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! It's all Roman/Greek good/evil and art being a part of nature and therefore evil? I mean why the artist is an outsider. Artists tend to think outside the dualism of western civ. Christians have Jesus all wrong here in western civ. I mean I don't really know what he said but I know the imprint of toga wearing semi-materialists that were doing political things while intrenching the church. I've also heard some Aramaic to English translations of Jesus and it is strikingly different. They say Aramaic is more like a spoken language like Hip-Hop, hard to write down and translate. Do-ah It seems natural that an artist would be an outsider in western civ. but they worship artists because all they can do is turn knobs and hoot. So the NEA may go in a Bush theocracy. Gods bless the blue states. Our new band. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:26:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJQZS03734; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:25:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: >in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American >artists are among the strongest in the world. Would you care to back that up? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:31:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJUuJ04889; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:30:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <29493135.1100888841063.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <29493135.1100888841063.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <7F8ODD.A.SJB.lmknBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, > unless you mean "new in box" Yes, I do mean "new in box". Call me a cissy, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a piece of kit (especially electronics designed ten years ago) I want a box and 2 years service guarantee. > There's rarely more than a few days when one isn't on eBay The example you give is typical: Firstly if you look closely it says 'Ships to: United States, Canada'. That ain't Europe last time I looked. Even if I could convince the seller to send it to Europe I still have to pay shipping plus toll duty plus 25% VAT (purchase tax). That's well over $1000 for a second hand beige-face EDP of unknown heritage with loop-3 software, no footpedal and no guarantee that it even will work for more than a week. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm motivated, but not that motivated! And after all, why should I have to go through all this? The EDP is NOT officially discontinued or out of production. I should be able to walk into any Gibson dealer in the world and buy one off the shelf, or at least order one and have it within a week! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:32:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJUd404842; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c4ce6e$12207d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: reply to Larry Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:29:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4CE2B.03EA2A50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4CE2B.03EA2A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable larry said, "Rick, I'm surprised at you! You need lessons from the master of stupid = aesthetic banter. Damn if I don't think it's all a joke. All you guys=20 are too serious. Please Brother no serious stuff. No bucking up=20 except to go for a recount and the New world order. We are all clowns=20 and not the Steven King kind. Yours in psychology and face paint," Cool, fool, I'm deseriousing as we speak. and, hey, I love your concept of 'slow self esteem'. and, while we are at it.............................more music less talk = at your next looping performance. what you played was really interesting and, frankly, and selfishly, I = wanted to hear more (although it was quite amusing that you were ragging on the EDP manual as it's author = played along with the charade.) be well, oh person who cares not what others think. have a great day = and remember to have compassion for us over sensitive = types................LOL yours, Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4CE2B.03EA2A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
larry said,
 
"Rick, I'm surprised at you!  You need lessons from the master = of=20 stupid
aesthetic banter.  Damn if I don't think it's all a = joke. =20 All you guys
are too serious.  Please Brother no serious = stuff. =20 No bucking up
except to go for a recount and the New world = order.  We=20 are all clowns
and not the Steven King kind.
Yours in psychology = and face=20 paint,"
 
 
Cool, fool,  I'm deseriousing as we=20 speak.
 
and, hey,  I love your concept of 'slow = self=20 esteem'.
 
and, while we are at = it.............................more=20 music less talk at your next looping performance.
what you played was really interesting and, = frankly, and=20 selfishly, I wanted to hear more (although it
was quite amusing that you were ragging on the = EDP manual=20 as it's author played along with the charade.)
 
be well, oh person who cares not what others=20 think.    have a great day and remember to have = compassion for us=20 over sensitive types................LOL
 
yours, Rick
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4CE2B.03EA2A50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:32:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJUnh04870; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:30:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <000401c4ce63$e4893d20$0affff0a@hppav> References: <200411190616.iAJ6GrP23176@hemlock.violacea.com> <5DB84062-3A23-11D9-9CA9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <000401c4ce63$e4893d20$0affff0a@hppav> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, > I'm sorry to have created any confusion. No problem. I'm just a little peeved at Gibson's incompetance. > I was assuming that Gibson and the people in the UK who've been building > the EDP had sorted out their issues and production had resumed. A poor assumption I fear. Last I heard, the last of the 'hostage' EDPs had shipped and there was talk of a 'possible' new production run. The problem (for me) is that they have not shipped to Europe anywhere I can find. Certainly not here in Denmark. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:39:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJbcZ06816; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-12194-1100892972-0001-2" Message-Id: <419E4B2F.00004C.02292@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:36:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <1kwbWD.A.8nB.vsknBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-12194-1100892972-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-12194-1100892972-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-12194-1100892972-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D =2E...If we, Americans, are the strongest, it's because we get an influx = of world diversity. I suspect US artistic diversity is strongest on the west/east coast where there is more exposer to outside influence. =0D =0D Personally, I think Americas suffer from isolationism and arrogance. I he= ar and see far cooler works outside our borders. I also think audiences for both audio and visual works of art are more accepting outside the US boarders. In the US, if it's not pushed by media/popular establishments a= rt has no value. =0D =0D My Opinion...=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/19/04 11:26:06=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem an= d, oh yeah, looping=0D =0D At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote:=0D =0D >in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American=0D >artists are among the strongest in the world.=0D =0D Would you care to back that up?=0D --=0D =0D ______________________________________________________________=0D Richard Zvonar, PhD=0D (818) 788-2202=0D http://www.zvonar.com=0D http://RZCybernetics.com=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-12194-1100892972-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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....If we, Americans, are t= he strongest, it's because we get an influx of world diversity. I suspect= US artistic diversity is strongest on the west/east coast where there is= more exposer to outside influence.
Personally, I think Americas suffer from isolationism a= nd arrogance. I hear and see far cooler works outside our borders. I also= think audiences for both audio and visual works of art are more acc= epting outside the US boarders. In the US, if it's not pushed by media/po= pular establishments art has no value.
My Opinion...
 
 
Date: 11/19/04 11:= 26:06
Subject: Re: some = thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, loopin= g
 
At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote:
 
>in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American
>artists are among the strongest in the world.
 
Would you care to back that up?
--
 
______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
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In a message dated 11/18/04 23:55:02, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:

First, a question:= =A0 What's a "queery"?

n. s     quee=B7ry           1.     A person with question= able (or alternative) typing and/or spelling skills.

Cheers,,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_b9.4b38f2c4.2ecfa83e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:58:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJug410234; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:56:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: kaori.servidores.unam.mx: apache set sender to smaug@servidor.unam.mx using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Message-ID: <1100897035.419e5b0bb9e1e@132.248.10.8> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:43:55 -0600 (CST) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx References: <29493135.1100888841063.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 132.248.10.9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes... WE WANT EDP's IN EUROPE!!!! aaaaaarghhhhh!!!! if only our plot to make Rick Walker dissapear to get his EDP when he was in Paris had worked... ;-D Andy Mensaje citado por: Ian Petersen : > Travis, > > > unless you mean "new in box" > > Yes, I do mean "new in box". Call me a cissy, but if I'm going to spend > > that kind of money on a piece of kit (especially electronics designed > ten years ago) I want a box and 2 years service guarantee. > > > There's rarely more than a few days when one isn't on eBay > > The example you give is typical: Firstly if you look closely it says > 'Ships to: United States, Canada'. That ain't Europe last time I > looked. Even if I could convince the seller to send it to Europe I > still have to pay shipping plus toll duty plus 25% VAT (purchase tax). > That's well over $1000 for a second hand beige-face EDP of unknown > heritage with loop-3 software, no footpedal and no guarantee that it > even will work for more than a week. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm > motivated, but not that motivated! > > And after all, why should I have to go through all this? The EDP is NOT > > officially discontinued or out of production. I should be able to walk > into any Gibson dealer in the world and buy one off the shelf, or at > least order one and have it within a week! > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 14:58:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJJv6a10271; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9062121.1100894178230.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:56:18 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You'd have to ask Mr. Glass (the source of the quote) about that. I've only met a handful of non-US artists. My impression is that he meant that since there is more support for the arts in Europe (financial and otherwise), that American artists are forced to develop a stronger self-reliance. And he's speaking as a man who drove a cab and delivered washing machines to make ends meet until he was 41, six years after "Einstein On The Beach". Me, I just think that American artists are like, way cuter than everyone else. TravisH >>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:25:01 -0800 >>From: Richard Zvonar >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem >>and, oh yeah, looping >>At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: >>in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American >>artists are among the strongest in the world. >Would you care to back that up? -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 15:17:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJKElK14537; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:14:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:14:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29398431.1100895251599.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:14:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian, Actually the auction indicates that it includes the footpedal. Yeah, it'd be nice to get a new one for $725 plus shipping, but that's not even an option in America. And by "motivated" I did mean buying it, having it sent to a compatriot in the US or Canada, having them verify it works, installing the updated software and then getting someone to hand carry it over to Europe in the next few months and skipping the VAT. But yes, I understand that's more effort than usually goes into buying a relatively recent piece of gear. But, if you really need the thing, then hurdles are to be overcome. I've bought several of the things over the years as safety insurance against anticipated "end of production" scenarios. The medium range (and up) of the looping world is not for the faint of checkbook, nor weak of back when it comes to loading in and out of the gig. C'est la vie. There's really no "should" involved in the ease of availability though. Living somewhere as wonderful in many other ways as Denmark (I'm being serious here) has a few drawbacks. Hell--whenever I visit the UK I can't believe that anyone can afford to be a musician there since everything costs so much...compared to the US. TravisH Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:30:02 +0100 From: Ian Petersen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Travis, > unless you mean "new in box" Yes, I do mean "new in box". Call me a cissy, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a piece of kit (especially electronics designed ten years ago) I want a box and 2 years service guarantee. > There's rarely more than a few days when one isn't on eBay The example you give is typical: Firstly if you look closely it says 'Ships to: United States, Canada'. That ain't Europe last time I looked. Even if I could convince the seller to send it to Europe I still have to pay shipping plus toll duty plus 25% VAT (purchase tax). That's well over $1000 for a second hand beige-face EDP of unknown heritage with loop-3 software, no footpedal and no guarantee that it even will work for more than a week. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm motivated, but not that motivated! And after all, why should I have to go through all this? The EDP is NOT officially discontinued or out of production. I should be able to walk into any Gibson dealer in the world and buy one off the shelf, or at least order one and have it within a week! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 16:02:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJL0hI22327; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <419E4B2F.00004C.02292@A7V266E-XP-USER> References: <419E4B2F.00004C.02292@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:57:56 -0800 To: "Sony Felberg" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:36 AM -0800 11/19/04, Sony Felberg wrote: >....If we, Americans, are the strongest, it's because we get an >influx of world diversity. I suspect US artistic diversity is >strongest on the west/east coast where there is more exposer to >outside influence. I've seen more artistic internationalism outside the US than inside. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 16:09:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJL8MT23994; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:29:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200411191929.iAJJTNl28036@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.18.125 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American > >artists are among the strongest in the world. > > Would you care to back that up? > -- I think that was from the Philip Glass interview so you'd have to ask him (or did I read that message completely wrong (always a distinct possibility)? Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 16:11:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJLAXk24446; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:10:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:10:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9062121.1100894178230.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <9062121.1100894178230.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:01:15 -0800 To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: >You'd have to ask Mr. Glass (the source of the quote) about that. Ah. I didn't realize that was still part of the Glass quotation. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 16:19:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJLIde26199; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:18:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-9929-1100899070-0001-2" Message-Id: <419E6302.00005F.02292@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:17:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <9G6KTD.A.eXG.CMmnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-9929-1100899070-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-9929-1100899070-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-9929-1100899070-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D Ya' I missed a point. We often don't recognize the outside influence livi= ng among us. We absorb it as our own. I suspect we are using the sounds/sigh= ts of other cultures without knowing. And, as such, think they are ours; as = if we invented it. It goes back to the arrogance think. =0D =0D This is my point of view as a first generation America. This tends to b= e more of a political problem then an artistic issue. =0D =0D Personally, I think artist tend to be the same across all forms of art, visual and sound. As a group we tend to be liberal and accepting. =0D =0D I did not mean to start an issue. I was just responding to an earlier statement about American artist being the best. Just because we export mo= re pop culture then we import, does not mean it's quality....it means we hav= e amazing marketing. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/19/04 13:00:31=0D To: Sony Felberg; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem an= d, oh yeah, looping=0D =0D At 11:36 AM -0800 11/19/04, Sony Felberg wrote:=0D =0D >....If we, Americans, are the strongest, it's because we get an=0D >influx of world diversity. I suspect US artistic diversity is=0D >strongest on the west/east coast where there is more exposer to=0D >outside influence.=0D =0D I've seen more artistic internationalism outside the US than inside.=0D --=0D =0D ______________________________________________________________=0D Richard Zvonar, PhD=0D (818) 788-2202=0D http://www.zvonar.com=0D http://RZCybernetics.com=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-9929-1100899070-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ya' I missed a point. We ofte= n don't recognize the outside influence living among us. We absorb it as = our own. I suspect we are using the sounds/sights of other cultures = without knowing. And, as such, think they are ours; as if we invented it.= It goes back to the arrogance think.
  This is my point of vi= ew as a first generation America. This tends to be more of a political pr= oblem then an artistic issue.
 Personally, I think artist tend to be the same ac= ross all forms of art, visual and sound. As a group we tend to be liberal= and accepting.
 I did not mean to start an issue. I was just resp= onding to an earlier statement about American artist being the best.= Just because we export more pop culture then we import, does not mean it= 's quality....it means we have amazing marketing.
 
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Date: 11/19/04 13:= 00:31
Subject: Re: some = thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, loopin= g
 
At 11:36 AM -0800 11/19/04, Sony Felberg wrote:
 
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>influx of world diversity. I suspect US artistic diversity is
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I've seen more artistic internationalism outside the US than inside.=
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PS: In short, the difference is se= eing it....Americans don't tend to see it...they think it's native.
 
Date: 11/19/04 13:= 00:16
Subject: Re: some = thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, loopin= g
 
At 11:36 AM -0800 11/19/04, Sony Felberg wrote:
 
>....If we, Americans, are the strongest, it's because we get an<= /DIV>
>influx of world diversity. I suspect US artistic diversity is
>strongest on the west/east coast where there is more exposer to<= /DIV>
>outside influence.
 
I've seen more artistic internationalism outside the US than inside.=
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Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
--=_scarface.real.com-15225-1100899184-0001-3-- --=_scarface.real.com-15225-1100899184-0001-2 Content-Type: image/gif; name="reallogo.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <218DE600-C94C-452A-9ABF-469F67AE42D8> R0lGODlhSwAnAMQAABcUEc/f7IuKiABXmqmnpl9dWzMzM1CMuq/K3////4CrzUCBsyBsp5mZmcbF xFBOTOLi4X17evHx8SYjIHChxp/A2dTU00NAPhBioLa1tDB3rd/q8mCWwL/V5mZmZv4BAiH5BAUU AB8ALAAAAABLACcAAAX/YCKOZGmeaKqubLshyrEwQz0wy6EgW+v/PgSHZisabZhDRQJsAgMczHFK rR0Qziyqs6h6qwyFFgVxmM0nCeer0SkUlfdbBsaOSQ+AHnAxdaRTGhQdPgEVB1MUdyN7ehElFVMY HD1ZGwoLFHJviw6NABkkkUccTIunJgKfpgkBRxiEKQQCtAIECQQFBhOhIhYRDxcADwUErCQQDQ8G ewYPEQ54jX0jGkYYASvMex55ehNMDsKf3w0lDeSfHoyNjyIdR9kqEOl7Arj1jfciBJ/OE59ueWrU K8GaImJW9KsHLsMnARAkoGsEQcQ2RyIkXARwT1UjVkRsVFLhwR+BihAs/2zcJ8KbHnMpBu655ZIP iSMtNk6oOMJCPnIsMwgo8CBYOgsJPrkTgXMFvXbnfn4y1wCg1AkJZOopmMBakWMnFu6JRsKjHgO1 0taCYFbPhQgCMhSwCqBAgrYAjh20UWFFyUYmxAIwoK2RXRFP95irSW2EqyIYwJbY+MCEBLp1zeC9 9elCRQvj9iBVagJREQ2SET8MKxXAugQb82HVCspyyBoa5JUQDIBsYMyNJrC0AJxP6Lp3V1UtEQAQ koQkHKhVCKzog7iWG3S7Hq1B2mizalHFyvx2jTCpUalPY5rUkiYSNimgQCH9+hEInB/RwEFBB90o KKDfAIrcx0J8A34BYHMF5jEQi4EtSFCBV18wMAIXR9QHoRMBUGCeEX1t0J4NDm54xwYVcNBFEQxs sFcRGpqo3gYddEChERo8KON6EiQ4AHQ73vcibgAGOeM1QBq53ogLjKTkevDUgEFfT0K44gFOVqle JBjYoaWBFBxg35dkBhkCADs= --=_scarface.real.com-15225-1100899184-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 16:36:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJLXbw28837; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:33:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:33:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c4ce7f$61017370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: edp vs. electrix Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:33:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Soto wrote: "WE WANT EDP's IN EUROPE!!!! aaaaaarghhhhh!!!!" I know, that is the single most frustrating thing about my tour last year was the inavailibility of the EDP in Europe. he also wrote: " if only our plot to make Rick Walker dissapear to get his EDP when he was in Paris had worked... ;-D" That's why you kept insisting that I have that drink, Andy. I don't know, man, I just wasn't thirsty. good thing there was a mickey in it and I didnt' drink it................... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 16:53:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJLpWe31960; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <003901c4ce6e$12207d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003901c4ce6e$12207d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-187159912 Message-Id: From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: reply to Larry Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:48:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-187159912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Nov 19, 2004, at 11:29 AM, loop.pool wrote: > larry said, > =A0 > "Rick, I'm surprised at you!=A0 You need lessons from the master of=20 > stupid > aesthetic banter.=A0 Damn if I don't think it's all a joke.=A0 All you = guys > are too serious.=A0 Please Brother no serious stuff.=A0 No bucking up > except to go for a recount and the New world order.=A0 We are all = clowns > and not the Steven King kind. > Yours in psychology and face paint," > =A0 > =A0 > Cool, fool,=A0 I'm deseriousing as we speak. > =A0 > and, hey,=A0 I love your concept of 'slow self esteem'. how about blow self esteem, or show self esteem, below self esteem, > =A0 > and, while we are at it.............................more music less=20 > talk at your next looping performance. > what you played was really interesting and, frankly, and selfishly, I=20= > wanted to hear more (although it > was quite amusing that you were ragging on the EDP manual as it's=20 > author played along with the charade.) That was worth a hell of a lot of notes to me and part of a healthy=20 breakfast. I was not charading it was he who IS as a pretender to pain=20= and agony of written verbal abuse. > =A0 > be well, oh person who cares not what others think.=A0=A0=A0 have a = great=20 > day and remember to have compassion for us over sensitive=20 > types................LOL Sensitivity killed the cat or propensity for sensitivity killed the cat=20= or receptivity killed the cat or rats I can't think. Compassion and slow self esteemed clams is what we strive for. If we=20 were to reach that place in the universe where we can overcome the need=20= to self esteem our rugs then we could all be cross legged on the dirty=20= places where our behinds have been. Oh, go placidill into the wind=20 where my music proceeds me like a pin with a head. Roast never thy pain stick as my life intermingles with yours. Be=20 fruitful and believe me when I say "old man take a look at my car,=20 don't you funckin hit it." I used to be a lot like you am. Neil Young Many happy returns for us and them, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1-187159912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Nov 19, 2004, at 11:29 AM, loop.pool wrote: larry said, =A0 "Rick, I'm surprised at you!=A0 You need lessons from the master of stupid=20 aesthetic banter.=A0 Damn if I don't think it's all a joke.=A0 All you guys=20 are too serious.=A0 Please Brother no serious stuff.=A0 No bucking up=20 except to go for a recount and the New world order.=A0 We are all clowns=20= and not the Steven King kind. Yours in psychology and face paint," =A0 =A0 ArialCool, fool,=A0 I'm deseriousing as we speak. =A0 Arialand, hey,=A0 I love your concept of 'slow self esteem'. how about blow self esteem, or show self esteem, below self esteem,=20 =A0 Arialand, while we are at it.............................more music less talk at your next looping performance. Arialwhat you played was really interesting and, frankly, and selfishly, I wanted to hear more (although = it Arialwas quite amusing that you were ragging on the EDP manual as it's author played along with the charade.) That was worth a hell of a lot of notes to me and part of a healthy breakfast. I was not charading it was he who IS as a pretender to pain and agony of written verbal abuse. =20 =A0 Arialbe well, oh person who cares not what others think.=A0=A0=A0 have a great day and remember to have compassion = for us over sensitive types................LOL Sensitivity killed the cat or propensity for sensitivity killed the cat or receptivity killed the cat or rats I can't think. Compassion and slow self esteemed clams is what we strive for. If we were to reach that place in the universe where we can overcome the need to self esteem our rugs then we could all be cross legged on the dirty places where our behinds have been. Oh, go placidill into the wind where my music proceeds me like a pin with a head. Roast never thy pain stick as my life intermingles with yours. Be fruitful and believe me when I say "old man take a look at my car, don't you funckin hit it." I used to be a lot like you am. Neil Young Many happy returns for us and them, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1-187159912-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 17:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJM6Ci04233; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=GzJaE2qlzlDa0y4Z3mMAGkO+2V+VHW5+wufmZO7GqDwDZC6FquDG9JcNwdRkdt3KuYYxuF7XHwrHnQO9l9O6YtYNW1zzcWWU/icwstluJJEVjBuEbPyHIndHIwHkeP5QBzozLnWMVh5I/VXxfI77fGv+UN2GkLFjn8wzAfsMsB0= ; Message-ID: <20041119220513.89543.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:05:13 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I'd say the self-esteem thing (high or low) is a > self-image, a bunch of > deeply seated ideas about ourselves. This society is > built on comparing and > competition. We suck that up with our mother's milk, > and depending on how we > were configured in the beginning, and conditioned > during our early years, we > end up with a self image that we are either better > or worse than others. > Just like the other parts of our self-image, it is > continuously held up by > habitual - and usually unnoticed and therefore > unconscious - ways of > thinking. Comparing and judging, mostly. Either I'm > not so good and they are > better, or they aren't so good and I'm better. Or, > what do they expect and > can I meet their expectations to that they love and > admire me. Michael this is very true...also if we didnīt have mirrors we would probably all think we are perfectly fit and pretty;-) Gruesse Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 17:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJMFHf05826; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:15:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:15:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AdWX+L20Nl4iapLk4bdog+zjIvclKL0F2htlVvQfPilGPdOgITx8TKJ99Aa3tqit4hBnirqfsGHAf0Sg4KEw1cO+d1FWvlSgVnACCdOQmvHOJ2ApG+yDO3ztrm1a+RNtaDWt8mF/yXsDx0v6+vOetgPSTkc9pb8WusVEuK0a5sQ= ; Message-ID: <20041119221452.42559.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:14:52 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Self esteem & looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041119043926.VONS5007.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanx Gary! Luis --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I appreciate Rick's efforts to unify the looping > community. > Dedication to art can improve self esteem. > Art makes ugly people beautiful. > All you guys are beautiful--and you girls too! > Gary > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 17:19:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJMHZt06426; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:17:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:17:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0YHKDsOsy2yIhceIELpMq8yYzM888C7dKGZGn9xYf25Gx2TW4LjUfeLzuurzf3D/08tNVl3Eq2+1xboF3zTlvJUhbTqoPXqfMA0lK4sRauXgVFjC2JqKcx0nakfep5X1HZZplSUa5qydkMYauDKmZKhvRFvePRvCtYUF+CIcD/Y= ; Message-ID: <20041119221653.77396.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041119042412.NHGG16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Werenīt they bought by T.C. Electronics, are they the ones bringing them back? luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 17:22:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJMKVi07235; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:20:08 -0600 From: "ozmmloopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com" Subject: effusive Reply-to: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com To: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Content-disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <1N2o-D.A.xvB.iGnnBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers-delight-d valiant wok connivance durkin doug ahead chamois soar boss cotty md




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Angulo wrote: >WerenĨt they bought by T.C. Electronics, are they the >ones bringing them back? According to my informant at tc electronic it isn't them. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 18:38:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJNaTD18169; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:36:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:36:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:52:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c4ce8a$7a191790$0601000a@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just hopping in here, I don't know the contaxt, but the phrasing "American artists are among the strongest in the world" has almost no content whatsoever. There are so many artists in America, it seems likely that some of them are among the most creatively effective artists in the world. If that was what was meant by that statement, I don't see how it would be very easy to disagree with it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and > self esteem and, oh yeah, looping > > > At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American > >artists are among the strongest in the world. > > Would you care to back that up? > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 18:44:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJNgXw19084; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: Rewire Live / Logic 7 question Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: <017701c4ce91$5f52acd0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <0F701CDE-FEC2-11D8-B5E6-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Quick question: When you're Rewiring your tracks from Live to Logic 7, how do you get the Rewire audio converted into a regular audio file? Trying to create an efficient template for this. I thought Live would render each track individually but apparently it won't (I know its easy to solo each track and bounce, but am looking for the most efficient way) I was thinking of creating one audio object per Rewire channel, so I could create audio tracks right away. I just want to convert my Arrange tracks from Live into Logic tracks in one go if possible. As always you're help is appreciated. Neil PS I'm tired of posting to the Logic group and not having my questions answered! PSS. If you'd like, I'd love to hear how you're faring with Numerology looping, etc. I just did a track in Logic using Numerology midi stream slaved to Logic clock, having it play a Sculpture track. Just wonderful! PSSS I just scored the Spectral Relativity and Kaleidoscope IRs since the patches for SD were made available. Incredible! This is the main reason I want to get my Live pieces into Logic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 18:55:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAJNsmZ21251; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:54:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:54:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <111920041640.10566.419E2216000B30F80000294622007507840301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <111920041640.10566.419E2216000B30F80000294622007507840301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C4D1F06-3A86-11D9-AED1-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:52:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: <-r_FNB.A.zKF.neonBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 19, 2004, at 8:40 AM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: >>> Hows that for a "compliminsult"? >> >> A "complisult?" seems better but more minimal. >> >> How about "you make me feel like killing myself with your pedestrian >> cosmology although I will worship you in the meantime," > > hahaha! > cool. Complisult it is, then. > > Pedestrian Cosmology. What course number is that? Is it 3 units or > 4? Sign me up! Just go to your local evangelical church and there you have it! I can't sign you up because I am a Jew like Marx. Insultiment? Does that make sense? I mean, the foci would be the insult but at the end there would be a fresh breath mint or "ment." Like: GD, you're the worst guitarist I ever heard but I love your tie and sense of faux intelligence. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 19:29:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAK0SL227366; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:28:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:28:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <017701c4ce91$5f52acd0$6601a8c0@neil> References: <017701c4ce91$5f52acd0$6601a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Rewire Live / Logic 7 question Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:27:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 20, 2004, at 0:42, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Per > > Quick question: > > When you're Rewiring your tracks from Live to Logic 7, how do you get > the Rewire audio converted into a regular audio file? I don't. I simply stream it into the Logic mixer via rewire objects (or does Emagic call them "channels"... or "rewire busses"? Don't know but you get the picture) > I thought Live would render each track individually but apparently it > won't (I know its easy to solo each track and bounce, but am looking > for > the most efficient way) The first two rewire channels are always the master left and right from the sending rewire application. Then follows the rest of the rewire channels. In Live you set the output to control on which rewire channel they will appear into Logic. > I was thinking of creating one audio object per Rewire channel, so I > could create audio tracks right away. I just want to convert my Arrange > tracks from Live into Logic tracks in one go if possible. You can always bounce in Logic. Bounce only one rewire channel and import it. Then you will have the Live track as an audi file/track in Logic. But maybe there is more efficient methods in Logic 7; thinking about the new "convert to audio file" command. I'm not in a phase to do rewire bouncing from Live in L7 yet so I really don't know. maybe I'll never do it. Depends. > PS I'm tired of posting to the Logic group and not having my questions > answered! I see what you mean ;-) It's ten thousand something more members now than when I joined that mailing list. > PSS. If you'd like, I'd love to hear how you're faring with Numerology > looping, etc. I just did a track in Logic using Numerology midi stream > slaved to Logic clock, having it play a Sculpture track. Just > wonderful! ..."faring" was a new word for me ;-) An old English word? My main interest is to loop audi i Numerology only (on pair with my EDP, of course). But I've fooled around a little bit with streaming midi from Num into Logic. That's very powerful. The arpeggiator in Logic is pretty lousy compared with what you can do in Num. And yes, Sculpture is truly awesome! The pieces I like most with Logic 7 is the Guitar Amp Pro (for the best sound to be recorded you have to put it on the Input object instead of the Track as Apple did in their bundled presets for Channel Strips) and the Controller Assignment. At last Logic got midi learn! Yesterday I patched my FCB1010 to trig looping into Logics Tape Delay (yes, it now has a Freeze Loop button!) I also put Pitch Shifters after the Tape Delays and programmed the Controle Assignement to shift the loops a whole note up or down by pressing FCB foot buttons. Seems you can't set a fixed value for the pitch shifting, but whole note scales are not bad :-) > PSSS I just scored the Spectral Relativity and Kaleidoscope IRs since > the patches for SD were made available. Incredible! This is the main > reason I want to get my Live pieces into Logic. Yeah, I too bought them both ;-) Now I'm about to make Impluse Responses of some Eventide Eclipse patches I like, before I have to return that machine. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 19 20:04:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAK12lk00607; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:02:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:02:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WeQtr6KwksGHuKtqf3Bs4EFpDKmcbGaRf7M2owVk6X/FE8j8fBFSdMub7T82Hezp+gsXUNAgDDIk/k50LO5scYKeAUmsJ8hMBM1v5jr5ZJsF9KG0Z0QoTOGuzYtGai1nAsfZQSTp/Ds05L7Ng6R96OsbDZ/8lw/kNwpnzTa0NgQ= ; Message-ID: <20041120010225.84769.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c4ce8a$7a191790$0601000a@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps Mr. Glass meant that literally, commenting on the fact that the overwhelming majority of musicians in the United States must support themselves with "day jobs", building upper body strength by delivering washing machines. Then again, perhaps not... -t- --- sarth wrote: > Just hopping in here, I don't know the contaxt, but > the phrasing > "American artists are among the strongest in the > world" has almost no > content whatsoever. There are so many artists in > America, it seems > likely that some of them are among the most > creatively effective artists > in the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 00:05:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAK53F707783; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:03:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:02:09 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20some=20thoughts=20on=20Ted's=20queeries=20a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?bout=20art=20and=20self=20esteem=20and,=20oh=20yeah,=A0=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?looping?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/19/04 5:05:59 PM, labalou2000@yahoo.com writes: > if we didn=B4t have > mirrors we would probably all think we are perfectly > fit and pretty;-) >=20 so away with mirrors.....michael --part1_53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/19/04 5:05:59 PM, labalou2000@yahoo.com writes:


if we didn=B4t have
mirrors we would probably all think we are perfectly
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so away with mirrors.....michael --part1_53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 04:23:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAK9MPE28108; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:22:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:22:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1@aol.com> References: <53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <846AE21D-3AD5-11D9-8294-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?away_with_mirrors_=28was:_Re:_some_thoughts_on_Te?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?d's_queeries_about_art_and_self_esteem_and,_oh_ye?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ah,=A0_looping=29?= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:21:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAK9LIa27986 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 11/19/04 5:05:59 PM, labalou2000@yahoo.com writes: > > if we didnīt have > mirrors we would probably all think we are perfectly > fit and pretty;-) > On Nov 20, 2004, at 6:02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > so away with mirrors.....michael That's a damn good point, Michael! I've noticed that if a musician THINKS he makes great music, then the resulting noise tends to be interesting and enjoyable for most people. And the one that constantly keeps mirroring his own efforts in a negative, critical sense rarely comes up with anything of interest to others. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 07:03:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKC1lp16652; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:01:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:01:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nqh8wRe5Marr9jYx2G2Z4cjI8Yp6Eqm/qSeUCIEgeFud4v3b3BcAhmDopKJr9wBrE7zdtw60YM75uuwymRQz/EhItzxuvVw4dQM73jCfLVq2eNRGfsH+nNpcH6gZ2WvnU3+I96jBxMpJXWZDMxF+MZh6kD60d6ouO9Icn5FaVQc= ; Message-ID: <20041120120016.50529.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041120010225.84769.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,this is an interesting point,but i donīt think suffer any different than europeans,the british invation was composed of a lot of bands which came from proletarian areas,in fact i just recently saw an interview with ozzy osbourne for example talking about the early black Sabbath days and how rough it was, with high unemployment,etc.and using music as an escape.I think fine inovative artists are all over the world,(i ve seen amazing people here on the streets in europe and yes, moslty gypsies and africans... perhaps America knows how to market them better! cheers Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Perhaps Mr. Glass meant that literally, commenting > on > the fact that the overwhelming majority of musicians > in the United States must support themselves with > "day > jobs", building upper body strength by delivering > washing machines. > > Then again, perhaps not... > > -t- > > --- sarth wrote: > > > Just hopping in here, I don't know the contaxt, > but > > the phrasing > > "American artists are among the strongest in the > > world" has almost no > > content whatsoever. There are so many artists in > > America, it seems > > likely that some of them are among the most > > creatively effective artists > > in the world. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 08:17:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKDGOL30056; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:16:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <29398431.1100895251599.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <29398431.1100895251599.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, > But, if you really need the thing, then hurdles are to be overcome. Yes, and I obviously don't *need* an EDP that much. But I would still rather like one if the hurdles were more reasonably proportioned. > Living somewhere as > wonderful in many other ways as Denmark (I'm being serious here) has a few drawbacks Most music gear is quite easily available here - and since the dollar is weak at the moment US gear is quite reasonably priced (by our standards). -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 09:29:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKET0410283; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Vtakju+a2UYAMyzckjC7weAnQNFOLU3PivM9a1p2u74We1A+cft5L+RWSOdru3P9n9dlSRHf05FtNnLkpKStQatRvEzWeKgCSFL7yUBw2sQYr5WtuxtYjYquK/AHKHSsRWxVBXPK0uzehZaYkQtjzSJ+z4m8Z8LKwNeK5g1wtms= ; Message-ID: <20041120142736.99077.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: away with mirrors (was: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <846AE21D-3AD5-11D9-8294-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9upOnD.A.4dC.eR1nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > That's a damn good point, Michael! I've noticed that > if a musician > THINKS he makes great music, then the resulting > noise tends to be > interesting and enjoyable for most people. And the > one that constantly > keeps mirroring his own efforts in a negative, > critical sense rarely > comes up with anything of interest to others. And that, in turn, is another damned good point, Per. Although I can think of many, many exceptions to the first part, I agree completely with the second. When I used to play out a lot, it was the hardest thing for me to accept praise. After a performance, I'd be self-critically musing about ways I'd screwed up, and when an audience member would approach me to say they'd enjoyed the show, I'd point out the flaws. After I realized that this was basically negating their opinion ("I had fun." "No, you're WRONG. You didn't have fun at all, you COULDN'T have. If you did enjoy that lousy performance, you must not be very intelligent.") I made a conscious effort to be a bit more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still being self-aware of the areas in which I needed improvement. This made a world of difference. A simple 'thank you' worked much better than a discourse on the importance of reliable patch cords or how I don't practice my instrument enough. (I don't, but that's another story...) Now, as I start to play out again more regularly after a long hiatus from frequent live performance, I have to remember that lesson. It's so easy to fall into "I suck" mode, and if you project that, the audience will soon come to agree with you. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 09:44:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKEgYD16455; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:42:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:42:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bG3kC2lrk4Yi3ou1wn8cLsXkxjZoVNYjc85wSctsiQ+MLrpicqZMjZE+/xkAk8d4lHZ89s0rJznDh9UFj6KqUuZaqJ/B4hj6WrGR7lK6c7c7OGP73bVI7pLDp67fZWMajkxzAcVqB3ZwAtLVwQ/D/I5/oqMKh17J/K5Cz8kh+iw= ; Message-ID: <20041120144111.60043.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041120120016.50529.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I was just joking about that, because Philip Glass actually DID at one point have a day job delivering large heavy household appliances, as Travis (I think) pointed out, several years AFTER composing 'Einstein on the Beach'. I have no idea what the context of his statement actually was, and most likely he was referring to strength of expression or artistic voice rather than strength of biceps (or needing to shower before the gig after spending the day delivering refrigerators and microwave ovens, custom kitchen deliverre-e-e-e). -t- --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > Yes,this is an interesting point,but i donīt think > suffer any different than europeans,the british > invation was composed of a lot of bands which came > from proletarian areas... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 10:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKF24327885; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <419F5B57.7060404@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:57:27 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List , WDIY Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #400 for November 18, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3yM8l.A.IyG.Ax1nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041118.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #400 November 18, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Soundscape Gallery 3." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "New Age of Earth" by Manuel Gottsching (Ash Ra Tempel) on Isadora Records. Lektronic Soundscapes - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Manuel Gottsching Deep Distance New Age of Earth (Isadora) Rob Papen Time, Times and Half a Daydreamer (RPMusic) Time Create Touching the Void Reflections from the Inner Light (Groove) Bas Broekhuis Part 3 The Escher Drawings (Groove) Bas Broekhuis Part 4 The Escher Drawings (Groove) VA [Ron Boots] Sleepless Motions Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) VA [Tim Story and Carnickel and Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) Roedelius] Pocketboat 12:00 am VA [Temps Perdu?] Timepool Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) VA [Loren Nerell] After By Darkwater Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) VA [Dean De Benedictis] Just Outside of Black Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) Rock City VA [Dwight Ashley and Poppies for Irene Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) Tim Story] VA [Stratosphere] If All Was Clear Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) VA [Dwight Askley] Denial Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) VA [Thomas Ronkin] A Lovely Drowning Soundscape Gallery 3 (Lek.S.) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the now defunct Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Spacecraft" by Spacecraft. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ash Ra Tempel" by Ash Ra Tempel on Ohr Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 10:29:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKFS5v32143; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Mirrors and finding flaws in performance Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:27:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041120142736.99077.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTPDXxKKbbZFbsKRJyBhdyaJHqZSwABY4kw Message-Id: <20041120152741.GVLF16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two points: Looping IS mirroring--innit? Also, I am working this weekend (in Del Mar, California, at the famous fairgrounds and racetrack "where the turf meets the surf") with an ensemble I am EXTREMELY well rehearsed with. A member of the relief band (half on, half off) was listening to us and remarked how good we sounded, commenting, "I don't think you guys know how good you sound." My immediate response was, "That's not our job." When you are "in the zone", the mission is to analyze for improvement. Building a loop can be part of that. Looping allows for a degree of separation between being a listener and a performer, and that "zone" is a different one than live ensemble work of the non-tech variety. But the mirroring is there--for better or worse--the audition that creates the feedback between intention and creation. I wish people were nicer to each other. But they aren't, for the most part. They also are generally less than honest. I embrace my fellow loopers and their instrinsic honesty. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 11:12:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGAqf08308; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <148.38189918.2ed0c658@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:10:00 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20away=20with=20mirrors=20(was:=20Re:=20some=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?thoughts=20on=20Ted's=20queeries=20about=20art=20and=20se?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lf=20esteem=20and,=20oh=20yeah,=A0=20looping)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.38189918.2ed0c658_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <8QtLIC.A.lAC.mx2nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_148.38189918.2ed0c658_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In a message dated 11/20/04 6:28:11, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > When I used to play out a lot, it was the hardest > thing for me to accept praise. After a performance, > I'd be self-critically musing about ways I'd screwed > up, and when an audience member would approach=20 > me to say they'd enjoyed the show, I'd point out the=20 > flaws. . . . >=20 {snip} > . . . I made a conscious effort to be a bit > more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still > being self-aware of the areas in which I needed > improvement. This made a world of difference.=20 > A simple 'thank you' worked much better than a=20 > discourse on the importance of reliable patch cords >=20 This is a problem I still struggle with a bit. To audience members who are strangers it's easier to just smile and nod and say thanks and let the subject drop. But with=20 friends and colleagues (particularly other musicians)=20 it's hard not to admit seeing all of the problems/flaws=20 that you assume were just as clearly evident to them.=20 It's even worse if they're close friends . . . 'cuz then one's mind invariably plays the trick of coming up with=20 the notion that these friends' compliments and praise=20 are meant to be "encouragement" after a particularly BAD performance. My mind always says: "OH NO! IT=20 MUST'VE BEEN EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT IF=20 SO-AND-SO IS TRYING SO HARD TO BE ENCOURAGING.=20 GOSH! NOW I REALLY FEEL LIKE SHITE!" Heheh.=20 You can't win. I think I've gotten a little better at hiding=20 my disappointment and self-inflicted shame over the=20 years. Obviously, 'cuz I continue to perform. But, it's never=20 gone totally away. On the nights when you were really hoping to "soar" and subsequently realize that not only=20 did you fail to leave the ground but you never actually left the hanger -- it's not hard to be disappointed. I have been aware of Kenny Werner's book for some=20 years now. Maybe it's time to pick up a copy -- even though I find the more new-agey aspects of it's premise=20 (from lengthy excerpts I've read) to be faintly ridiculous=20 at best . . . to intellectually repellent at worst. I'm willing to try anything. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_148.38189918.2ed0c658_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

In a message dated 11/20/04 6:28:11, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:

When I used to play o= ut a lot, it was the hardest
thing for me to accept praise. After a performance,
I'd be self-critically musing about ways I'd screwed
up, and when an audience member would approach
me to say they'd enjoyed the show, I'd point out the
flaws. . . .

{snip}

. . . I made a consci= ous effort to be a bit
more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still
being self-aware of the areas in which I needed
improvement. This made a world of difference.
A simple 'thank you' worked much better than a
discourse on the importance of reliable patch cords

This is a problem I still struggle with a bit. To audience
members who are strangers it's easier to just smile and
nod and say thanks and let the subject drop. But with
friends and colleagues (particularly other musicians)
it's hard not to admit seeing all of the problems/flaws
that you assume were just as clearly evident to them.

It's even worse if they're close friends . . . 'cuz then
one's mind invariably plays the trick of coming up with
the notion that these friends' compliments and praise
are meant to be "encouragement" after a particularly
BAD performance. My mind always says: "OH NO! IT
MUST'VE BEEN EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT IF
SO-AND-SO IS TRYING SO HARD TO BE ENCOURAGING.
GOSH! NOW I REALLY FEEL LIKE SHITE!" Heheh.

You can't win. I think I've gotten a little better at hiding
my disappointment and self-inflicted shame over the
years. Obviously, 'cuz I continue to perform. But, it's never
gone totally away. On the nights when you were really
hoping to "soar" and subsequently realize that not only
did you fail to leave the ground but you never actually
left the hanger -- it's not hard to be disappointed.

I have been aware of Kenny Werner's book for some
years now. Maybe it's time to pick up a copy -- even
though I find the more new-agey aspects of it's premise
(from lengthy excerpts I've read) to be faintly ridiculous
at best . . . to intellectually repellent at worst. I'm willing
to try anything.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_148.38189918.2ed0c658_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 11:16:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGEt209196; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:14:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <20.387e5994.2ed0c767@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:14:31 EST Subject: Re: Mirrors and finding flaws in performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.387e5994.2ed0c767_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_20.387e5994.2ed0c767_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, In a message dated 11/20/04 7:28:13, hqr@cox.net writes: > Looping IS mirroring--innit? >=20 I agree. But in a way, so is all "art" (to my thinking at least). Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_20.387e5994.2ed0c767_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary,

In a message dated 11/20/04 7:28:13, hqr@cox.net writes:

Looping IS mirroring-= -innit?

I agree. But in a way, so is all "art" (to my thinking at least).

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_20.387e5994.2ed0c767_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 11:18:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGHVS10073; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c4cf1d$2c3fdac0$e69da344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <002b01c4ce8a$7a191790$0601000a@mobilegrfx> Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:22:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.157.230] at Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:17:15 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jumping in too.... America generally does not support "the arts" at the same level as is seen in Europe. In America, art is left to fend for itself in a market-driven economy, whereas cities and municipalities in Europe will lend assistance as they value the arts in a different manner. This is especially true for performing arts like dance and classically influenced music. However, in America there are more venues where grass-roots artistic activities can thrive. This is especially true at the intersection of "popular culture" and "the arts." What America offers many artists is a place where they have more freedom of expression. People from the world over enjoy more artistic freedom here than they do in their home countries. Tightening US visa regulations however are already blocking artists from entering the US. I feel that is a loss for us all. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarth" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping > Just hopping in here, I don't know the contaxt, but the phrasing > "American artists are among the strongest in the world" has almost no > content whatsoever. There are so many artists in America, it seems > likely that some of them are among the most creatively effective artists > in the world. > > If that was what was meant by that statement, I don't see how it would > be very easy to disagree with it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:25 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and > > self esteem and, oh yeah, looping > > > > > > At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > >in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear chauvinistic but--American > > >artists are among the strongest in the world. > > > > Would you care to back that up? > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 11:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGM9511521; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:22:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:22:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c4cf1d$c3ba8a80$e69da344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <53.1b0c0127.2ed029d1@aol.com> <846AE21D-3AD5-11D9-8294-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_away_with_mirrors_=28was:_Re:_some_thoughts_on_Ted's_q?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ueeries_about_art_and_self_esteem_and=2C_oh_yeah=2C=A0_l?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ooping=29?= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:27:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.157.230] at Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:21:29 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But what if I enjoy using smoke and mirrors? :-) I just look great with billowing clouds of dry creeping between my legs and lazer beams bounding off my mirror-suit. I'm afraid if I loose these I'll just suck and have no purpose. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 11:47:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGjrq15253; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=btoGsZxrbnJKlLWTA3Ms6J6dMTYTbJit/6zni/L63oyguCOj+vQ8jPkjn/DIMZuelzNbpaUGKgwQLZhYVQzV+sOzc3Br9xr/6+9y0K9QKzKAxb3f2DPVI3ttlQISiXZ1vEK6eFNs4gq2nf0+T7L8PfPtAUnXyRey7geTrItV1NM= ; Message-ID: <20041120164524.30495.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Mirrors and finding flaws in performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041120152741.GVLF16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1S5wdB.A.itD.qS3nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > Two points: > Looping IS mirroring--innit? Well in the manual it says windowing...close enough i suppose... Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 11:57:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGuGJ17231; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:56:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oebAjHyMbNCYk3bU8/0djzyBoaMVzvQF0CPFLaybvLbF1L+KTbsQAw8CqHcSEqhTiOQeRE0nIeKWE57vW3V2UEoXf9qIxfKNVhH+pfzMX1DCdIgex84WTtpOZ63Zg4H65DYRc0TnBj2HjvpvHi3d0VsK1DP9YYJqdsc5+0RV/9g= ; Message-ID: <20041120165459.32851.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c4cf1d$2c3fdac0$e69da344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is thrue David,this is why perhaps europe tends to follow more tradition than america in my opinion,but i think that the classic british rock bands are still probably the most influential worldwide. Cheers luis --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Jumping in too.... > > America generally does not support "the arts" at the > same level as is seen > in Europe. In America, art is left to fend for > itself in a market-driven > economy, whereas cities and municipalities in Europe > will lend assistance as > they value the arts in a different manner. This is > especially true for > performing arts like dance and classically > influenced music. > > However, in America there are more venues where > grass-roots artistic > activities can thrive. This is especially true at > the intersection of > "popular culture" and "the arts." > > What America offers many artists is a place where > they have more freedom of > expression. People from the world over enjoy more > artistic freedom here > than they do in their home countries. Tightening > US visa regulations > however are already blocking artists from entering > the US. I feel that is a > loss for us all. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sarth" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:52 PM > Subject: RE: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about > art and self esteem and, > oh yeah, looping > > > > Just hopping in here, I don't know the contaxt, > but the phrasing > > "American artists are among the strongest in the > world" has almost no > > content whatsoever. There are so many artists in > America, it seems > > likely that some of them are among the most > creatively effective artists > > in the world. > > > > If that was what was meant by that statement, I > don't see how it would > > be very easy to disagree with it. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:25 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries > about art and > > > self esteem and, oh yeah, looping > > > > > > > > > At 3:54 AM -0800 11/19/04, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > > > > >in my opinion--I'm afraid to appear > chauvinistic but--American > > > >artists are among the strongest in the world. > > > > > > Would you care to back that up? > > > -- > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > > (818) 788-2202 > > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKGxf519504; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: AdrenaLinn and EDP users query Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:59:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTPIkZIicNNPeiuR462A8D0M+9PIg== Message-Id: <20041120165922.GMGX28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back to gear, boys . . . I have enjoyed exploring the AdrenaLinn to use as percussion source for looping--how many here use the EDP as well? And of those, how many use the AdrenaLinn as master clock and how many slave it to the EDP? And of course, any brave/silly folks using them unsynched (maybe printing the Linn to the EDP)? Where is Warren Sirota's new software looper? And here's one for the looping crowd to raise their self esteem--record yourself praising yourself and fall asleep to it--couldn't hurt . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:18:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKHIKj22911; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.216] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a way with mirrors Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:16:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 17:17:00.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF2C99C0:01C4CF24] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "effort to be a bit more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still being self-aware of the areas in which I needed improvement." Gracious is the phrase I use also. Sometimes it's easy to be too involved in technical details to get really tell how something is coming across. I developed the habit of never listening to the recording of a show till after I've lost the feeling it generated.Sometimes one that felt great sounds like shit,and I don't like the deflation of finding that out while I'm still high .Sometimes one that was really a struggle or had "importatnt mistakes ,has some quality that makes the mistakes irrelevent. There's much complex subjectivity ,and I must say I do at times think an audience is "wrong".But being gracious seems to me the best response. I can't do it with looping yet ,haven't begun to master the gear ,but with other sorts of performance. I like to not have to think about what I'm going to play or how,but instead put my attention on what it feels like in the space what I hear,what I feel resonating in the room,and put that through. A trick I've found really useful is to give pieces a definate ending -no drawn out crescendos ,noodlings ,or everyone trying to have the last word , period end of sentence . Then instead of fiddling with gear havinga drink, noodling over the next song,everyone puts full attention on listening to the audience resoponse,recieving whatever energy is there,and putting that into the next song.A feedback loop.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:25:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKHOga23970; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:25:12 -0500 Subject: off-topic question about pseudo-stereo plug-ins From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wondering if anyone knew about this - I've been using digital performer with mac system 9, and haev been using a great plug-in to stereoize my mono edp loops - it's called pseudo-stereo, from psp plugins. It takes a mono mix and really does a great job of making it sound like it was recorded in stereo, with lots of user control. But I'm about to upgrade to system X, and this plug-in's not available and won't be for quite a while, I'm told - so does anybody know of a similar plug-in that would would with DP in System X? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:28:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKHSS024726; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:28:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.216] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: self es teem Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:27:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 17:28:00.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A75810:01C4CF26] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a yogi I know likes to say: compare-despair.His way of teasing me for too much reflective thought ,which is a way of not being in the moment. Being in the moment I don't think about my opinion of myself as refected in the mirror of other's eyes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:38:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKHc4H26169; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411201657.iAKGvgj17671@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411201657.iAKGvgj17671@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Subject:_away_with_mirrors_=28was:_Re:_some_thoug?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?hts_on_Ted's_queeries_about_art_and_self_esteem_a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?nd,_oh_yeah,=A0_looping=29_?= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:37:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't agree with that. Stoned/drunk people always think they're doing GREAT, and frequently...aren't. Ditto on the many attention whores filling stages across the world. On the flip side of the coin you get someone like Allan Holdsworth who never thinks he plays that well but the audience loves it. TravisH On Nov 20, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > That's a damn good point, Michael! I've noticed that if a musician > THINKS he makes great music, then the resulting noise tends to be > interesting and enjoyable for most people. And the one that constantly > keeps mirroring his own efforts in a negative, critical sense rarely > comes up with anything of interest to others. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:44:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKHgtD26966; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c4cf28$f7a76240$e69da344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200411201657.iAKGvgj17671@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: The Attention Whores Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:47:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.157.230] at Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:41:42 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis - What a great name for a rock band!! "The Attention Whores" :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: Subject: away with mirrors (was: Re: some thoughts on Ted's queeries about art and self esteem and, oh yeah, looping) > I don't agree with that. Stoned/drunk people always think they're > doing GREAT, and frequently...aren't. Ditto on the many attention > whores filling stages across the world. On the flip side of the coin > you get someone like Allan Holdsworth who never thinks he plays that > well but the audience loves it. > > TravisH > > On Nov 20, 2004, at 8:57 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > That's a damn good point, Michael! I've noticed that if a musician > > THINKS he makes great music, then the resulting noise tends to be > > interesting and enjoyable for most people. And the one that constantly > > keeps mirroring his own efforts in a negative, critical sense rarely > > comes up with anything of interest to others. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 12:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKHjpB27569; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200411201744.iAKHiea27436@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: AdrenaLinn and EDP users query Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:45:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041120165922.GMGX28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: AcTPIkZIicNNPeiuR462A8D0M+9PIgABYsZg Resent-Message-ID: <29nFLD.A.-sG.IK4nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Back to gear, boys . . . Yeah good idea Glad you like it I enjoyed it (when I still had one) and in the future I will get another but, for now I don't have it anymore :( I did some synching test in & out pretty interesting I liked some of the intersting stutter effect you could get when the Adrenalinn was the slave and your loop was short. I didn't get around to pattern editing but, I think some simplifying of some of the patterns and stuttering loops could definitely generate some interesting music (I wish I still had it to try that one out) I tried it unsynched and it got a little weird they (EDP & Adrennalin) definitely phase out of synch though with the right musical structure/format it could be interesting. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:59 AM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: AdrenaLinn and EDP users query Back to gear, boys . . . I have enjoyed exploring the AdrenaLinn to use as percussion source for looping--how many here use the EDP as well? And of those, how many use the AdrenaLinn as master clock and how many slave it to the EDP? And of course, any brave/silly folks using them unsynched (maybe printing the Linn to the EDP)? Where is Warren Sirota's new software looper? And here's one for the looping crowd to raise their self esteem--record yourself praising yourself and fall asleep to it--couldn't hurt . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 13:04:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKI39v31233; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:03:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:03:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411201657.iAKGvgj17671@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411201657.iAKGvgj17671@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CC88334-3B1E-11D9-8FC4-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: away with mirrors Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:02:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <9B7ia.A.vmH._a4nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also used to suffer from the beat-myself-up-after-every-bad-gig syndrome. For the first five or six years I played in public, I had probably two or three enjoyable shows, and the rest left me despondent and suicidal. Two things that really helped were 1) playing out a lot more (several times a week) and 2) playing a instrument other than my primary one. A lot of musicans get wrapped up in identifying their musical ability as their self. "I am the Mighty Guitarist! Playing guitar is my Reason To Be!! As my playing go, thus goes my LIFE!!!" And so on. This is frequently a recipe for disaster. And if you're only playing one 45 minutes gig a month, that's a lot of time to build it up in your mind before hand as THE MOST IMPORTANT 45 MINUTES OF THE MONTH. And, if it fails to meet expectations (and what could meet those expectations?) a lot of time to kick yourself in the ass afterwards. Some people can maintain a healthy perspective while listening to a board tape of a show for three days after a bad show, but most can't. If you're playing more frequently, and more than one set, a bad gig becomes just one data point in many. Also, once I started playing in situations where we played more than one set, I was surprised to find that the second set was almost inevitably better than the first. The second thing was when I started playing just keyboards in a band (I'm primarily a guitarist). Right before the first all-keyboard gig I remember thinking "Oh hey--I'm about to play in front of a lot of people on something that I haven't spent years practicing on, maybe I should be getting nervous?" And then the gig started and it occurred to me that my job that night was to operate the musical tool in front of me to the best of my ability. Not to be THE MIGHTY KEYBOARD PLAYER, MASTER OF ALL HE SURVEYS. Which, is the perspective you should always have, but being away from my surrogate Object of Power and Self-Esteem (the guitar) really highlighted it for me. Oh, and the correct answer to any post gig "Hey man, that was great!" type statement is always "Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!" End of discussion. TravisH On Nov 20, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > . . . I made a conscious effort to be a bit > more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still > being self-aware of the areas in which I needed > improvement. This made a world of difference. > A simple 'thank you' worked much better than a > discourse on the importance of reliable patch cords > > > This is a problem I still struggle with a bit. To audience > members who are strangers it's easier to just smile and > nod and say thanks and let the subject drop. But with > friends and colleagues (particularly other musicians) > it's hard not to admit seeing all of the problems/flaws > that you assume were just as clearly evident to them. > > It's even worse if they're close friends . . . 'cuz then > one's mind invariably plays the trick of coming up with > the notion that these friends' compliments and praise > are meant to be "encouragement" after a particularly > BAD performance. My mind always says: "OH NO! IT > MUST'VE BEEN EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT IF > SO-AND-SO IS TRYING SO HARD TO BE ENCOURAGING. > GOSH! NOW I REALLY FEEL LIKE SHITE!" Heheh. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 15:01:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKJxhF18042; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:59:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.216] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Invasion of the body synapses Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:58:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 19:59:00.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[60C4D930:01C4CF3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com British invasion,and classic rock bands,were all playing American music styles.I'm not saying American is superior,I mostly play African music myself.But Rock and Roll ,Rock Blues blues rock,is what those Brit bands played.They were very disciplined and creative,and eventually innovative in those styles They played really well( though supposedly on the Beatles 1st US tour the Young Rascals were the opening act,but got fired right away because the were so much hotter they were upstaging the Beatles and Howling Wolf said,after his London Sessions,those kids were great people and they sure do love the Blues too bad they can't play'em that well or words to that effect),but they are American styles. The proletarian element w/ no upward mobliity( something middle class white americnas don;t understand) and post war poverty probablymade it easy for them to relate to the music of American blacks and poor white southerners. Yes there are celtic/anglo saxon,mostly celtic, roots to white southern music,which combined with black African roots,church based harmony ideas and many generatons of really harsh experience combined into rock and roll. anyway even Punk was inspired by what was going on in N.Y. the Ramones esp. I have to say that I think physical strength is a musical element.We hear music w/ the whole body ,and the emotions that music works with are manifest in the body From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 15:37:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKKZv323640; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:35:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:35:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: kaori.servidores.unam.mx: apache set sender to smaug@servidor.unam.mx using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater trade? Message-ID: <1100985780.419fb5b49c91a@132.248.10.8> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:23:00 -0600 (CST) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 132.248.10.9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, If anyone has an Extra EDP and wants to trade for my Repeater, contact me off List! Thanx in advance, Andy ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 16:05:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKL3tT28787; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:03:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:03:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Intermission Time Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:02:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c4cf44$42b0b820$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1100985780.419fb5b49c91a@132.248.10.8> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about an intermission amidst this thread on music egos, whores, and self-esteem? ;) ...a new music video of me playing a tablas solo over a looped drone, and some up morphing on the video: URL to streamed version: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?action=watch&CONTENT_ID=193203&type=acquisi tionCMS Direct URL to wmv file: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Tablas _Solo__with_drone_.wmv Or go here and access both of the above links from a webpage: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos The only problem is that my cheap PC camera doesn't have a frame-rate to keep up with my fingers. Oh, and don't mind me in my pajamas. Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 16:13:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKLBhO30399; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OqYWyzvPgvhXteS1Yz28Ut27vbW3UKNOUqxzH0AI/RDzTlb9XQCO9Hj9enq7FLzGjHec9v8PmVTVO76Y9MDe20TNoTYzPGebSzyp1F/tGQdQgofSU+ilZS/ap0yxCNR34KsGAVhYrSPxO551vXSzLJ25ig0V/EobTqYycSN6onY= ; Message-ID: <20041120211126.4446.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Invasion of the body synapses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8nxloB.A.maH.DM7nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the key to the examples you've given is the cross-pollenation that happens when cultures meet. In this case, it had ping-ponged back and forth repeatedly. You could trace threads through it many, many ways. Rhythms from Africa mutated when brought to America, spawning blues, jazz and rock&roll, which inspired British skiffle groups, which turned into the British Invasion, which via the Ed Sullivan show and similar outlets, inspired millions of American kids to pick up guitars, etc... Back and forth, over and over. Just as listeners on one side of the pond started to tire of the status quo, here came someone with a fresh slant on it. Eventually it becomes impossible to say who was first, or who started a trend, because often the catalyst was that MANY traditions were present at the same in the same place, and something new came out of the meeting. Fascinating, really; makes me miss John Peel even more. The way it relates to us as loopers is in crossover, when techniques and equipment usually associated with a particular style of music start showing up in unexpected places. Not that long ago, it would have been quite rare for a folky singer-songwriter to loop, now they're sprouting up everywhere. We see rock bands using turntables, and elements of "world music" becoming more and more ubiquitous in the mainstream. I was discussing this with a co-worker just last week: how many Americans' first exposure to Bob Marley was when Eric Clapton covered 'I Shot the Sheriff' 30 years ago? -t- --- samba * wrote: > British invasion,and classic rock bands,were all > playing American music > styles. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 16:48:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKLlBw03346; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:47:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c4cee5$cafe1ba0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:46:21 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 23rd - Planet Of The Loops Andrew Aldridge's (now) quarterly series Planet Of The Loops lands at the PiNG for another evening of loop-based improvisations which will surely have your head spinning. This flight will be crewed by the members of Hamilton-based low frequency pilot, who will be accompanied by their new drummer and a complement of delay devices. Take us out #1... http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/lowfrequencypilot.htm http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "November Suite" by Robert Fripp It's the perfect time of year to play this soundscape CD, recorded live at Green Park Station, a converted railway station in Bath, UK, on a very cold afternoon on November 21st 1996. http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/index.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 30th - Nilan Perera and Friends http://www.sarahpeebles.net/cinn_bio_perera.htm Between Sets CD - "Fluidities" by Jonathan Hughes (Foundry) http://foundrysite.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=29 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Land of the Blind" by The Circular Ruins The music of The Circular Ruins has always struck me as lush, as very full. An intricately detailed canvas of sound art that captures a sense of both time and place. With the release of "Land of the Blind", The Circular Ruins have collected eight stunning pieces that continue to engage & delight in the same manner. The disc opens with "A Storm of Secondary Things". Delicate sweeping pads loop and swirl, while complex percussive patterns play underneath. Shimmering melodies unfold as the piece progresses. A beautiful introduction to the disc. "Holiday in Reality" is built around fluttering patterns of sound, a series of squelchy electronic patterns rising and falling throughout. A sense of movement, of journey permeates throughout the track, a lovely feeling of travel. Wonderful. "Thought is False Happiness" builds upon a laticework of pads and waves, intricate folds weaving and gaining in complexity as time passes. A stunning piece. Track four, "Anamnesis", is a much more subtle piece, a minimal sense of movement that uses silences to accent the tones throughout. Patches of dialogue pass through like fragments from half forgotten dreams. A fantastic track that I find myself drawn to again and again. "The Abyss of Proof" is an ominous track, a dark foreboding introduction leading into a tense claustrophobic environment. Be careful when you stare into the abyss, it has a way of staring back at you... "Interior Distance" features a repeated arpegio overtop an organic backdrop of landscape sounds. Delicate and simple, yet somehow vaguely threatening. A slow and steady journey through the familiar territory of reason to the darker lands of delirium. "Standing in Violent Golds" is a more dense piece, dark matter and alien elements clashing, conflicted. There are small pieces of beauty that stand in contrast to the controlled chaos at play here, but they serve only as small reminders of order, in effect bringing the confusion more into focus. Disc closer "A Distant Assembly" is an epic track that utilizes oblique motion to anchor simple melody lines, slow waves of sound rising and falling like tides. Tones gain in strength, finding order and reason, gradually melting into other forms, taking on other shapes and meaning. A hundred vistas pass by during the course of it's length, each another glimpse of alien worlds, different spaces, a thousand more just beyond reach. And then it is done, an afterimage reflected in our mind's eye the only reminder of what we've seen. Without doubt, "The Land of the Blind" lives up to and surpasses all of my expectations with regards to The Circular Ruins. A truly wonderful disc featuring a truly wonderful collection of music, I recommend it wholeheartedly to fans of the ambient genre in all of it's forms, as well as to all those who enjoy the discovery of inner journeys. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 17:10:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKM91P08118; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:09:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.216] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: away with mirrors Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:55:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 21:56:00.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9134080:01C4CF4B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Playing support parts for other musicinas is also agoodway to get over your bad self. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 17:22:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKMIZx09393; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c4cf4f$776832e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: away with mirrors Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:22:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.221.202] at Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:17:18 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <_2NoSD.A.DRC.yJ8nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or to develop one :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba *" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: Re: away with mirrors > > Playing support parts for other musicinas is also agoodway to get over > your bad self. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 18:00:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKMxOF17827; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jvEcfJwHwc8Y10fbxCJMWSWF6oYPQM+v8YS/I0PLMdBxtfHiZDp7diZoErtAidAjPmFupEA4sEHVzdovEDSPOwEIrMzUEJ8iE2kyDLy1MMKIbN/HnfI72J3veuvuLZsdU9drem4A9jDRas+ZK71iyW+hubdeAVGRX5YYgmfUXYU= ; Message-ID: <20041120225904.97348.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: away with mirrors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c4cf4f$776832e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'm with David on that one. I don't feel like I have the kind of charisma a frontman really needs; when I'm the sole focus onstage, I feel stilted and self-conscious much of the time. But put me backing someone up where I'm given free rein to do my thing, that's when I'm dangerously in my element. But I can see how it could work either way. -t- --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Or to develop one :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samba *" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: away with mirrors > > > > > > Playing support parts for other musicinas is > also agoodway to get over > > your bad self. > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 18:10:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKN8un19921; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:08:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:08:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5CC88334-3B1E-11D9-8FC4-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200411201657.iAKGvgj17671@hemlock.violacea.com> <5CC88334-3B1E-11D9-8FC4-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <09F1AD46-3B49-11D9-8203-003065EE45A8@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: away with mirrors Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:08:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, Great post, LOL! Mayhap the loop of my response might bring this slightly back into topic. Have to agree using various instruments for a live gig, especially when a friend makes a request for you to use something that you've never used in a live experience (in this case it was a Tom Yocky http://www.tomyocky.com 6-string lap dulcimer, "With Wings") being run through with an A-B box also connected to a then stock MusicYo! Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro guitar and then going into a few effects and a Fender Princeton combo amp (this wasn't mine as well). After having quite a few technical difficulties (all dealing with patch cables) and finally having one of them take out my guitar, I ended up playing the majourity of the gig with the lap dulcimer (Boss UV-50, Yamaha UD-Stomp and 2-4 minute Boomerang) and then was asked to jam with the next guy who was on in the open-mic night. To say that I was mortified and would've given up the whole thing had it not been for several people (not to mention a few of the other acts/bands that were there that night) coming up and saying that they really dug what I was doing. Won't rant about the quality of Guitar Center patch cables, really, I won't. ;) Majour Tangent: The other bit of fun was getting to go to Chuck's (http://www.wmcworld.com) the week after in order to have the pickups/electronics yanked out and to have a set of Seymour Duncan (SH-2 in the neck, SCR-1 middle, and a SH-14 normal spacing in the bridge) pickups, a push-pull pot (turn on neck pickup for the three other settings from the 5-way switch), a dual concentric pot (neck and bridge tone), a new 1/4" jack put into the guitar. Been fiddling about with the improved Spirit GT-Pro and man, what a difference! I've got harmonics, I've got sustain and I've got a worlds better sound out of this instrument in my view. Wonder what a GL would sound like with similiar electronics to it. Lee On Nov 20, 2004, at 1:02 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I also used to suffer from the beat-myself-up-after-every-bad-gig > syndrome. For the first five or six years I played in public, I had > probably two or three enjoyable shows, and the rest left me despondent > and suicidal. Two things that really helped were 1) playing out a lot > more (several times a week) and 2) playing a instrument other than my > primary one. > > A lot of musicans get wrapped up in identifying their musical ability > as their self. "I am the Mighty Guitarist! Playing guitar is my > Reason To Be!! As my playing go, thus goes my LIFE!!!" And so on. > This is frequently a recipe for disaster. And if you're only playing > one 45 minutes gig a month, that's a lot of time to build it up in > your mind before hand as THE MOST IMPORTANT 45 MINUTES OF THE MONTH. > And, if it fails to meet expectations (and what could meet those > expectations?) a lot of time to kick yourself in the ass afterwards. > Some people can maintain a healthy perspective while listening to a > board tape of a show for three days after a bad show, but most can't. > If you're playing more frequently, and more than one set, a bad gig > becomes just one data point in many. Also, once I started playing in > situations where we played more than one set, I was surprised to find > that the second set was almost inevitably better than the first. > > The second thing was when I started playing just keyboards in a band > (I'm primarily a guitarist). Right before the first all-keyboard gig > I remember thinking "Oh hey--I'm about to play in front of a lot of > people on something that I haven't spent years practicing on, maybe I > should be getting nervous?" And then the gig started and it occurred > to me that my job that night was to operate the musical tool in front > of me to the best of my ability. Not to be THE MIGHTY KEYBOARD > PLAYER, MASTER OF ALL HE SURVEYS. Which, is the perspective you > should always have, but being away from my surrogate Object of Power > and Self-Esteem (the guitar) really highlighted it for me. > > Oh, and the correct answer to any post gig "Hey man, that was great!" > type statement is always "Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!" End of > discussion. > > TravisH > > On Nov 20, 2004, at 8:57 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >> . . . I made a conscious effort to be a bit >> more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still >> being self-aware of the areas in which I needed >> improvement. This made a world of difference. >> A simple 'thank you' worked much better than a >> discourse on the importance of reliable patch cords >> >> >> This is a problem I still struggle with a bit. To audience >> members who are strangers it's easier to just smile and >> nod and say thanks and let the subject drop. But with >> friends and colleagues (particularly other musicians) >> it's hard not to admit seeing all of the problems/flaws >> that you assume were just as clearly evident to them. >> >> It's even worse if they're close friends . . . 'cuz then >> one's mind invariably plays the trick of coming up with >> the notion that these friends' compliments and praise >> are meant to be "encouragement" after a particularly >> BAD performance. My mind always says: "OH NO! IT >> MUST'VE BEEN EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT IF >> SO-AND-SO IS TRYING SO HARD TO BE ENCOURAGING. >> GOSH! NOW I REALLY FEEL LIKE SHITE!" Heheh. >> >> > > "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci." - Faustus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 18:28:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKNRBp22153; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:27:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Artists as outsiders Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:26:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTOZdaQmPqWx2R8R2+uQDQNOb+4FgA75uzg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041120232645.LWAW16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone read the book by Colin Wilson entitled "The Outsider"? It's a real classic, written in the 1950's. He says that The Outsider's basic problem is that they "see" too deep and too much. Try it, if you haven't read it yet: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874772060/ref=sib_rdr_dp/002-4901454 -0283244 Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 18:39:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAKNbHt23502; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.202.137] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Artists as outsiders Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:35:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 23:36:00.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[B157D960:01C4CF59] Resent-Message-ID: <6oiDR.A.gtF.mT9nBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I read the Outsider.Good one.If You like Colin Wilson you might dig Raobert Anton Wilson,and Peter Lamborn Wilson(aka Hakim Bey) my favorite anarchists.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 20:49:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAL1lh409248; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c4cf6c$03058ed0$6601a8c0@bombsquad> From: "CMS Lance" To: Subject: E-commerce Solution Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.181 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.181 X-Antivirus-Scanner: This message has been scanned by ClamAV / Web hosting by http://www.site5.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - oceanus.site5.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - cmslance.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Webmaster post projects FREE! http://www.cmslance.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 21:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAL26IA13317; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:06:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:06:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041120165922.GMGX28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20041120165922.GMGX28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:56:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn and EDP users query Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1111119793==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1111119793==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:59 AM -0800 11/20/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Where is Warren Sirota's new software looper? http://www.warrensirota.com/ wsirota@worldwidewoodshed.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1111119793==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: AdrenaLinn and EDP users query
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Where is Warren Sirota's new software looper?

http://www.warrensirota.com/

wsirota@worldwidewoodshed.com
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--============_-1111119793==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 22:20:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAL3JPV24089; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:19:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:19:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.233.7.112] X-Originating-Email: [resonateperception@hotmail.com] X-Sender: resonateperception@hotmail.com From: "Jim Ellis" To: References: Subject: Re: Invasion of the body synapses Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:16:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2004 03:17:00.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[90C792C0:01C4CF78] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't read the whole thread (too many for my brief available time), but I did read the last one, and I'm nice and lubricated (gulp gulp) on my day off so I thought I'd throw in my random 2 cents about music... blah blah blah It might not have too much to do with the thread, but I hope you find it enjoyable and can relate on some level. I believe that music is the most powerful form of communication that we have. It's so direct to the physical (especially breath instruments) that it evokes a form of physical sync with underlying emotion/spiritual patterns. Some of my most profound experiences have been "improvising" with both musicians and non-musicians. When a simple "heart-beat" rhythm is the entry point, a metabolistic synchronicity occurs, and then the people involved can slowly put forth their own internalized form individualist musical communication. A form of communal telepathy can form, and then resonate frequencies of each individual can communally be explored (for better or for worse). A larger reflection of what it means to be a living creature on this planet can present itself through collective sympathy. I recently received a rare live CD-R by a great 80's instrumental band named "Dif Juz". There was an unreleased track that I gave my full attention to. I was on the couch riding waves of bliss. I was fully following the music in the moment. I became very aware that my mind was fully activated, but in a very relaxed way. Normally where there would be thoughts attached to such mental movement, there was only sound. I had no personal stake in the matter (had nothing to do with my ambitions, goals, personal endeavors) it was merely an emotion ride that activated my mind. The nature of it's current outcome had very much to do with what who I am, but only so much as it related to the music, not my daily activities. I understand and embrace structure to a point. Limitations help us to be free to forget those limitations and allow us to fully explore the human condition present within those limitations. That said, very rarely am I inspired by music that sounds "emotionally uninspired". To me, a genre is simply a structure that (hopefully) will allow the participants (performers or audience) to find the freedom of expression within those constraints. Pretty much all genres of music I adore and dislike equally. To me it's that intensity of the human experience (and all it's mysteries) that's exciting. So to me there is no real importance in "who did it first", more so "who took it the farther", and "who added something relevant". I certain appreciate the innovators, and much of the time, these folks end up accomplishing their task the best (in my silly opinion). There was something about these people and their "feelers" that they could pull this stuff out of the air and give it form. Blues, Rock, Techno, Jazz, Country, Classical, Experimental, whatever... means not much to me. When something is just inventive but without feeling, I tend to think: "well isn't that clever", but without emotional impact, I don't really want to listen to it again. People can perform music like they operate a microwave, following the directions and never understanding the roots of what makes it possible. I'm not talking simply theory here, more so a progression of human consciousness. When someone can work with the limitations that allow us to communally "initially" understand the structure, and then take it to new places, then there is commonality in exploration. It's allowed to be shared. It starts the story in a way that more people can understand it... and can thus hang on for the ride to new places. ramble ramble gulk gulk my two cents Jim Ellis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 22:23:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAL3MgQ24955; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:22:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping software still unreleased--unveiled at Y2K4 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:22:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTPbvEBc5vxNMdlSXCLSKhBu069bgACf0yQ Message-Id: <20041121032207.QTRF18545.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: Where is Warren Sirota's new software looper? Richard Zvonar posted: http://www.warrensirota.com/ wsirota@worldwidewoodshed.com ----->but there's nothing on his site about it, so I guess I'll pmail Mr. Sirota--thanks! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 20 22:31:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAL3Th125881; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:29:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:29:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <20041120232645.LWAW16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20041120232645.LWAW16919.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02CCC3AC-3B4D-11D9-9507-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Artists as outsiders Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:36:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: <_3fjr.A.jTG.OuAoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 20, 2004, at 3:26 PM, Tom Rex wrote: > > Has anyone read the book by Colin Wilson entitled "The Outsider"? > It's a > real classic, written in the 1950's. > > He says that The Outsider's basic problem is that they "see" too deep > and > too much. > > Try it, if you haven't read it yet: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874772060/ref=sib_rdr_dp/002 > -4901454 > -0283244 > > Tom > > How about "artists" as Herd Animals? they stand in the fields, eating grass and going "moooo, I'm an artiste, moooo." Meantime, at the ranch, Bubba picks his teeth after some Tri-Tip and then votes. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 06:12:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALBB7i27692; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:11:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:11:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a501c4cfba$92a77050$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: away with mirrors.. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:09:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C4CFC2.F4302EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C4CFC2.F4302EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PERSPECTIVE... thats to point, YOU are ON stage, audience are off = stage. YOU play badly that night, THEY have driven for an hour or 2 to = be there? I used to get very down after bad shows, (or DURING bad shows) then I = realised that usually no one noticed, it slightly depends on the type of = music, but I don't think there are many people in audiences who judge a = band but the number of bum notes. It is by the feel, the atmosphere, the creativity and the honesty ot the = performers. Technical abillity is SOO boring..and I believe that often = that is the problem with non-pro musicians.. they have too long to = practice and practice, wheras Pro guys are often worse musicians (thrown = into the limelight by a freak record review, a cool TV spot, or lucky = support tour) but they often have a "certain something", aggresion, = melencholy, new-thing, that just "works".=20 I totally disagree with the recent poster on this topic that said that = stoned/drunk people suck.. er.. have you seen the history of Rock and = Roll? Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Pistols, Waits, Cave, Mary = Chain, to cut (chop up, line up and snort) the tip off the tip of the = iceberg.=20 Robert Smith of the Cure told me once that he liked fucking up once in a = while, and encouraged situations where it might happen, like playing = occasional small shows (much more scary for Pro musicians than the = Stadium, cos you can SEE the audience) or surprising the band by playing = a song longer, or cutting a verse suddenly, and that he often used the = "If you play a bum note, play it again, and again, till its er... Jazz! = method of climbing out of a embarrasing moment. ..and the reviews read.. = " during blah blah blah the band proved themselves as great musicians by = going off into a few bars of spontaneous free form jazz, before snapping = back to order after... bla bla bla bla bla" To get back to looping, if you devide looping into 3 main and extrmely = broad approaches, the filmic ambient soundscape, the back beat - play = with yourself tool and finally the Glitch chop n snip brigade... Which = EVER type we are, you know what we are ALL very used to??? THE BUM NOTE THAT THEN LOOPS! OH MY F###ing GOD!! I dunno... I hate it ... I take eveything back that = I just said, I need to practice and take less drugs... forget I ever = said anything, delete this mail..=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com mobile +47 98296008 ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 3991 spam mails have been blocked so far. 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PERSPECTIVE... thats to point,  = YOU are ON=20 stage, audience are off stage. YOU play badly that night, THEY have = driven for=20 an hour or 2 to be there?
I used to get very down after bad = shows, (or DURING=20 bad shows) then I realised that usually no one noticed, it slightly = depends on=20 the type of music, but I don't think there are many people in audiences = who=20 judge a band but the number of bum notes.
It is by the feel, the atmosphere, the = creativity=20 and the honesty ot the performers. Technical abillity is SOO = boring..and I=20 believe that often that is the problem with non-pro = musicians.. they=20 have too long to practice and practice, wheras Pro guys are often worse=20 musicians (thrown into the limelight by a freak record review, a cool TV = spot,=20 or lucky support tour) but they often have a "certain something", = aggresion,=20 melencholy, new-thing, that just "works". 
I totally disagree with the recent = poster on this=20 topic that said that stoned/drunk people suck.. er.. have you seen the = history=20 of Rock and Roll?  Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, = Pistols,=20 Waits, Cave, Mary Chain, to cut (chop up, line up and snort) the tip off = the tip=20 of the iceberg. 
Robert Smith of the Cure told me once = that he liked=20 fucking up once in a while, and encouraged situations where it might = happen,=20 like playing occasional small shows (much more scary for Pro musicians = than the=20 Stadium, cos you can SEE the audience) or surprising the band by = playing a=20 song longer, or cutting a verse suddenly, and that he often used the "If = you=20 play a bum note, play it again, and again, till its er... Jazz! method = of=20 climbing out of a embarrasing moment. ..and the reviews read.. " during = blah=20 blah blah the band proved themselves as great musicians by going off = into a few=20 bars of spontaneous free form jazz, before snapping back to order = after... bla=20 bla bla bla bla"
 
To get back to looping, if you devide = looping into=20 3 main and extrmely broad approaches, the filmic ambient soundscape, the = back=20 beat - play with yourself tool and finally the Glitch chop n snip = brigade...=20 Which EVER type we are, you know what we are ALL very used = to???
 
THE BUM NOTE THAT THEN = LOOPS!
 
OH MY F###ing GOD!! I dunno... I hate = it ... I take=20 eveything back that I just said, I need to practice and take less = drugs...=20 forget I ever said anything, delete this mail..
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C4CFC2.F4302EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 07:14:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALCCkH04071; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:12:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:12:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A085C9.20100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:10:49 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: away with mirrors.. References: <01a501c4cfba$92a77050$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <01a501c4cfba$92a77050$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark francombe wrote: > To get back to looping, if you devide looping into 3 main and extrmely > broad approaches, the filmic ambient soundscape, the back beat - play > with yourself tool and finally the Glitch chop n snip brigade... Which > EVER type we are, you know what we are ALL very used to??? > > THE BUM NOTE THAT THEN LOOPS! > > OH MY F###ing GOD!! I dunno... I hate it ... I take eveything back that > I just said, I need to practice and take less drugs... forget I ever > said anything, delete this mail.. > > I know I haven't been looping for more than a few months now, but I *love* the bum notes that loop. My music has been taking a slightly more dangerous, spontaneous turn lately, and the f**kups that loop only remind me of the futility of it all. Recording straight to 2-track is also a great way of commiting to your performance, which I as an electronic musician am not very used to... Another good thing is that on the final recording, if you hear repeating bum notes, then you kinda get the idea that this is all happening on the fly. The scary bit is that bum notes throw me off track, and I have to deal with it - often resulting in either some seriously lofi or dubby music ;) Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 07:33:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALCWhW07727; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6205BCA0-3BB9-11D9-B82E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Invasion of the body synapses Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:32:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 21, 2004, at 4:16, Jim Ellis wrote: > > so I thought I'd throw in my random 2 cents about music... > blah blah blah 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8<........... > > ramble ramble > gulk gulk > my two cents > > Jim Ellis I'm not quoting all of Jim's post but I would just like to say how much I liked it. Thanks! I hope many people will read that post! Also very inspiring to read (in the "aways with mirrors" post): On Nov 21, 2004, at 13:10, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Recording straight to 2-track is also a great way of commiting to > your performance, That's the spirit!!! Not only for making music but also for dealing with you life on this planet. Although it's about the hardest thing one can do, but I guess it's better to stumble one step in that direction than "play everything all safe" until you end up in the zombie zone... he, he... this post took a little different direction than intended ;-) 'nuff said ;-D Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 09:35:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALEZOT30709; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:35:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A0A781.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:34:41 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Invasion of the body synapses References: <6205BCA0-3BB9-11D9-B82E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <6205BCA0-3BB9-11D9-B82E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Nov 21, 2004, at 13:10, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> Recording straight to 2-track is also a great way of commiting to >> your performance, > > > That's the spirit!!! Not only for making music but also for dealing with > you life on this planet. Although it's about the hardest thing one can > do, but I guess it's better to stumble one step in that direction than > "play everything all safe" until you end up in the zombie zone... he, > he... this post took a little different direction than intended ;-) > 'nuff said ;-D > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen Alas, if only life itself could be commited to 2-track... a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 10:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALFA7v04221; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:10:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:10:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hF5t5l1NXLQwREE3Dk5mKQLQRUXBJ5U4DyGh80wW573vRRpxBbTlhWbkgiD4gERAzWTK9+4X9b/jeEVSkrpVVRtaMJEWwmPQjd7dqtqV6qDlbiSpTAYkujzhFlHdG/w7dGtXyuh08z0e9QzA79Q5GGJI25qXOEEdlBAR7H2vuqk= ; Message-ID: <20041121150847.40983.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: howie days gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <09F1AD46-3B49-11D9-8203-003065EE45A8@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9kYTYB.A.y-.F-KoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind of gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 loopers synced? thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 10:38:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALFajm07479; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: howie days gear Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:36:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20041121150847.40983.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTP3GW/2w+76OJdS+iHpQ2Tg3SeqQAA0law Message-ID: <1101051537.28112@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A search for: Howie day guitar rig Turned up this on Google.com http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm Enjoy. DM PS: You gotta check out the girl opening for Howie on tour right now - www.tristanprettyman.com . Awesome stuff. No looping. . . but good acoustic songs. -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: howie days gear Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind of gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 loopers synced? thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 10:45:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALFiPC09318; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:44:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:44:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rj5FsV1pMiQNsoSetYXpPvFYFizGoFQ3QUZB7h2Ng+cBslL/NIR4cPvsm9qfsVp0YP+DjgKEa534owbtT/e5mnDW3WdGitWjgZLOxNgdZEnBgIf0MeYzzGrjMEDrcxy34ojs2HRE4isM1HB+sbCh2bt/SRByI/NAobr4SV4uuV4= ; Message-ID: <20041121154306.88904.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: howie days gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041121150847.40983.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I believe he was using two DL4's (unsynched), one for the geetar and one for the voix. -t- --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great > songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind of > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > loopers > synced? > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 10:54:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALFqlf11151; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1XyR/6ekNAN+5wLkm57gUPDRAJSgligwzSQLetiqkGqdBMGlAfIQnNtWOrmiSlBdKd5ALpZaoPJiGUpmjkeOSVmYLu2mW7f77H9V3cZ+Xuxdgd5UTNHiMcXChRI0NNZ1cx2A10+a1YkGOiyCixPuB3Ap+b6JyYNd2daKJd3G6pA= ; Message-ID: <20041121155155.75918.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:51:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: howie days gear (link to great gear page) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041121150847.40983.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, lookee what I just found! Every looping musician should have a page like this. -t- --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > what kind of > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > loopers > synced? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 10:54:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALFoRc10728; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EMIPSmNjxhENUatdc8finfhKRBXPiB+dLtJhU1FNr48lN5UYJzW9BhXoIDrJ04ISHeqgAZm+oGEgYIiQ2H2VC10NxxlAcsw/ZvN3bo5ujXJNxHmGYLenQMMEj6Dj6VcXvi17YQElSzLyTrTWW3YPfDeyBc/l7R0gTcyimToMFQE= ; Message-ID: <20041121154928.11974.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: howie days gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041121154306.88904.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com really? wow,they stay in sync pretty well if is not tricked in the studio! Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I > believe > he was using two DL4's (unsynched), one for the > geetar > and one for the voix. > > -t- > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great > > songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind > of > > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > > loopers > > synced? > > thanx > > Luis > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 13:38:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALIY6I17026; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BhlfdUSqxI1wOZYPR8BnwITIGX8m5kP5D0Iba+TGJy1qgIoAf/QutK5WhfKssHNXi/2UIMIvOhfraI/gjcXXsv06DxyPjomF3ItcnuPqVpSSlHmzu83SZqJere4LK9d74+ePp49Gf76e1sA2tJg5ntF5cDQN7uGKA3T8mka6XLc= ; Message-ID: <20041121183246.48179.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: howie days gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1101051537.28112@mx64a.mysite4now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0rOMK.A.eHE.U9NoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don Thank you brother! cheers Luis --- Don Makoviney wrote: > A search for: > > Howie day guitar rig > > Turned up this on Google.com > > http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm > > Enjoy. > > DM > > PS: You gotta check out the girl opening for Howie > on tour right now - > www.tristanprettyman.com . Awesome stuff. No > looping. . . but good acoustic > songs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: howie days gear > > Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great > songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind of > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > loopers > synced? > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 13:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALIcq217986; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:38:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:38:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A0E0B7.7070802@biink.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:38:47 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: howie days gear (link to great gear page) References: <20041121155155.75918.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041121155155.75918.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_KUDKB.A.lXE.xCOoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used the double DL4 approach in to two amps during the 5 hour marathon gig I did last June. And I'll be using it again next Saturday. I love the flexability. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 14:10:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALJ8YC23951; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=W6o0MO54dUZBeg3wIV3qzlWhauW2aQ/5BzlTpymMxkcQ4Jnb3MngvZrjK2w/lLgcO1lPQ1+Q5aY8RbiU64xgFhJDDNy3ZbO2l0423glbwg0PsgtPO+lVYPxYILw0fbIDyFcpSClSx0t+J4YVUJHGNtxPjANYXcBUDkeajasGySs= ; Message-ID: <20041121190808.89968.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: PC minidisc drive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041121155155.75918.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OT in and of itself, but since I do use MD's as a looping peripheral, can anyone point me towards a retailer who carries an internal PC minidisc drive? I know they do exist (maybe only as old stock, though) but web searches aren't coming up with anything. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 15:01:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALJxBu05528; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A0F3B1.8020100@xnet.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:59:45 -0600 From: Bohus Blahut Organization: The Vantage Point User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PC minidisc drive References: <20041121190808.89968.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041121190808.89968.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: >OT in and of itself, but since I do use MD's as a >looping peripheral, can anyone point me towards a >retailer who carries an internal PC minidisc drive? > >I know they do exist (maybe only as old stock, though) >but web searches aren't coming up with anything. > > You're talking about these? http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-PC3.html http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-PC2.html http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-PC1.html http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_PCV-MX3GK.html I wish that I could remember where I saw one of these available. I know that I've seen a few on Ebay, but something about it made me not get it - I think that it was one of the older models that didn't have digital output or something... -- Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 15:41:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALKelV18614; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=epG3zynBpjyvQb2t7YeacMLi6ELoUSma3gVZzEeLznwBOsR+lugVdzudKR80ZaIqmndxr3C88S/W6nuc6n/b229T9lXQ5yF1yyVChdZjey3R1z2hvi1bOxzecqlSYIIOOuQzQiSWrYoaIVMr6G9Lh/MpzGtOLDuw6Ge7/cUX9bY= ; Message-ID: <20041121203956.72331.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: PC minidisc drive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41A0F3B1.8020100@xnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Almost, except not as an external unit. I used to see them on eBay all the time, basically a minidisc drive that fits a standard PC drive slot (much like a CD-RW drive would, except in a different format) with a software bundle that allows editing of the minidisc audio/data. The internal ones I've seen have been about 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the MDS-PC* models, and don't seem to show up as often on the 'problem lists' of the MD fora. (That might be because they're nearly impossible to find? Few units = few problems, maybe.) I don't really *need* one, but setting up an 8 space rack next to my computer every time I want to transfer samples is a major drain of creative energy. -t- --- Bohus Blahut wrote: > Tim Nelson wrote: > > >OT in and of itself, but since I do use MD's as a > >looping peripheral, can anyone point me towards a > >retailer who carries an internal PC minidisc drive? > > > >I know they do exist (maybe only as old stock, > though) > >but web searches aren't coming up with anything. > > > > > You're talking about these? > > http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-PC3.html > > http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-PC2.html > > http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-PC1.html > > http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_PCV-MX3GK.html > > I wish that I could remember where I saw one of > these available. I > know that I've seen a few on Ebay, but something > about it made me not > get it - I think that it was one of the older models > that didn't have > digital output or something... > > -- > Bohus Blahut > (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) > > modern filmmaker > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 16:15:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALLET429479; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:14:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:14:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A10548.4050902@xnet.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:14:48 -0600 From: Bohus Blahut Organization: The Vantage Point User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PC minidisc drive References: <20041121203956.72331.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041121203956.72331.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Bp26.A.RLH.XUQoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: >Almost, except not as an external unit. I used to see >them on eBay all the time, basically a minidisc drive >that fits a standard PC drive slot (much like a CD-RW >drive would, except in a different format) with a >software bundle that allows editing of the minidisc >audio/data. > > I dimly remember seeing these, but I was under the impression that they were for Sony's attempt to make MD's viable for data. I would prefer to know that they did audio too. :) >I don't really *need* one, but setting up an 8 space >rack next to my computer every time I want to transfer >samples is a major drain of creative energy. > > Wow. What are you transferring that you'd need all that gear? When I xfer from my MD, I just use an MR-37 portable and a Mackie mixer that permanently hooked up to the computer. Is it because you want to use rack gear for EQ'ing, compressing, etc? Just curious. I also wish that there were some nice solution for zippy upload to the PC. I know that there is now, but I have dozens upon dozens of discs of stuff that I recorded off the radio that I want to convert to MP3 so I can re-use the MD's. I just don't foresee having hundreds of hours of free computer time available in the near future to make this happen. I'll be interested to find out what you learn. -- Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 17:39:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALMbZj14243; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:37:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:37:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=C8iX7/kBMmr9k1Sd6wYQxmR2+w67gUDI1QCORU9CH7SZJyefw40/cVctU6FqXPfrhnLzaAK3QeLiHdNh/5QkmA9EeB5x7y17tkQuykfE4B9hdnrsZrex4ngKQT3tTamkPY7LmIOfzJq2zPtuJk5RL0r4erSHdsSVOTtOVfdYHD4= ; Message-ID: <20041121223645.30784.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:36:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: PC minidisc drive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41A10548.4050902@xnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Bohus Blahut wrote: > I dimly remember seeing these, but I was under > the impression that > they were for Sony's attempt to make MD's viable for > data. I would > prefer to know that they did audio too. :) Yep, and some (not all) of the internal models can even function as standalone (audio) MD players through your computer's speakers without even having to have your OS booted up. To interface with your PC functions, the drive is a direct digital connection as opposed to having to hook up cables, and with the software package there are options for highspeed transfer. I'm pretty sure the bundle that comes with the USB externals does the same thing, but I don't really want to buy one. Although....... hmmmm, point to ponder..... I *have* been considering adding a laptop to my looping rig, and a USB external could be used with EITHER computer rather than being dedicated to just the desktop. Something to consider. > Wow. What are you transferring that you'd need > all that gear? I *don't* need all that gear for the transfer, that's the point. However, the MD decks I use for sample playback are mounted IN the 8 space rack, so unless I want to tear apart the rack whenever I need to record onto one of the decks from the PC (even more of a pain) the whole thing travels as a unit. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 18:39:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iALNbpC26148; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:37:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:37:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Cc: Subject: Australopithecus fusionensis Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:36:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c4d022$e9a66c40$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CFE8.3D4DAEC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 22, in=53, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.90.88 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CFE8.3D4DAEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a new format of sharing songs I'd like to try.suggestions from the group on how to improve are welcome! It's sort of a song "datasheet". SONG: Australopithecus fusionensis CD: 1/6 (still in prototype stage) GENRES / STYLES: Jazz fusion, free-style, improvisational GEAR: PRS McCarty jazz archtop guitar, two EDPs, Boss SX-700 rackmount effects processor, Boss GT-3 floor effects processor, DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?action=watch&CONTENT_ID=193609&type=acquisi tionCMS ALT URL 1: http://www.soundclick.com/util/Streamm3u.m3u?ID=1806940&q=hi (click or cut and paste into browser) ALT URL 2: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Australopithecus.fusione nsis.mp3 EFFECTS: Ring modulator, chorus, delay, reverb, octave TECHNIQUES: All real-time looping; odd time signature groove established in the beginning with the ring modulator and ethereal tones; free jazz solo improvisation to end of song ARTIST WEBSITE: http://www.krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CFE8.3D4DAEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Australopithecus fusionensis

Here is a new = format of sharing songs I'd like to try…suggestions from the group = on how to improve are welcome! It's sort of a song = "datasheet".

SONG: = Australopithecus fusionensis
CD: 1/6 (still in prototype stage)
GENRES / = STYLES: Jazz fusion, free-style, improvisational
GEAR: PRS = McCarty jazz archtop = guitar, two EDPs, Boss SX-700 = rackmount effects processor, Boss GT-3 floor effects = processor, DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE

URL: http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?action=3Dwatch&CONTENT_ID= =3D193609&type=3DacquisitionCMS
ALT = URL = 1: http://www.soundclick.com/util/Streamm3u.m3u?ID=3D1806940&= amp;q=3Dhi (click or cut and paste into = browser)
ALT URL = 2: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Australopi= thecus.fusionensis.mp3
EFFECTS: Ring = modulator, chorus, delay, reverb, octave
TECHNIQUES: All = real-time looping; odd time signature groove established in the = beginning with the ring modulator and ethereal tones; free jazz solo = improvisation to end of song

ARTIST = WEBSITE: http://www.krispenhartung.com

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4CFE8.3D4DAEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 21:42:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM2eth03321; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Yq4//tM/aIBrzHkIqLjnWs1rjO9jGGQghQ968UOuIBu6pilMF+HkZK8WlM46SFXxXe36i56PHPWH9Y3lpEXIAeqmSxdIVJuTwCfZGXVq5Wysh1+EuA1pQKqqa961QHvHDVUi2OTnh4TsDjedaMsiWl2c9g2lGSVOd5hcmBNtj5c= ; Message-ID: <20041122024033.28083.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Lexan overlay for Mackie Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200411200923.iAK9Nte28363@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have the Adobe Audition (or CoolEdit Pro) lexan overlay for their Mackie Control? I'd like to know what's on it so I can use them together. Email me offlist please. Thanks, Stephen Vsyevolod at Yahoo dot com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 22:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM3YUl19063; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A15DF9.6040307@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:33:13 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: info@krispenhartung.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Australopithecus fusionensis References: <000301c4d022$e9a66c40$6801a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <000301c4d022$e9a66c40$6801a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen: You might check out: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ It doesn't see much use, but that is what it's there for. Doug Krispen Hartung wrote: > *Here is a new format of sharing songs I'd like to try…suggestions > from the group on how to improve are welcome! It's sort of a song > "datasheet".* > > *SONG:* Australopithecus fusionensis > *CD:* 1/6 (still in prototype stage) > *GENRES / STYLES:* Jazz fusion, free-style, improvisational > *GEAR:* PRS McCarty jazz archtop guitar, two EDPs, Boss SX-700 > rackmount effects processor, Boss GT-3 floor effects processor, > DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE > > *URL:* > _http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?action=watch&CONTENT_ID=193609&type=acquisitionCMS_ > > > *ALT URL 1:* > _http://www.soundclick.com/util/Streamm3u.m3u?ID=1806940&q=hi_ > (click > or cut and paste into browser) > *ALT URL 2:* > _http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Australopithecus.fusionensis.mp3_ > > *EFFECTS:* Ring modulator, chorus, delay, reverb, octave > *TECHNIQUES:* All real-time looping; odd time signature groove > established in the beginning with the ring modulator and ethereal > tones; free jazz solo improvisation to end of song > > *ARTIST WEBSITE:* _http://www.krispenhartung.com_ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 23:08:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM47W424936; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:07:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:07:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c4d048$bbef4760$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <41A15DF9.6040307@pdq.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-q_j_.A.QFG.1XWoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Doug. I recall seeing this now several months ago....too bad it's not used more. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:33 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Australopithecus fusionensis Krispen: You might check out: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ It doesn't see much use, but that is what it's there for. Doug Krispen Hartung wrote: > *Here is a new format of sharing songs I'd like to try.suggestions > from the group on how to improve are welcome! It's sort of a song > "datasheet".* > > *SONG:* Australopithecus fusionensis > *CD:* 1/6 (still in prototype stage) > *GENRES / STYLES:* Jazz fusion, free-style, improvisational > *GEAR:* PRS McCarty jazz archtop guitar, two EDPs, Boss SX-700 > rackmount effects processor, Boss GT-3 floor effects processor, > DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE > > *URL:* > _http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?action=watch&CONTENT_ID=193609&type=acquis itionCMS_ > > > *ALT URL 1:* > _http://www.soundclick.com/util/Streamm3u.m3u?ID=1806940&q=hi_ > (click > or cut and paste into browser) > *ALT URL 2:* > _http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Australopithecus.fusion ensis.mp3_ > > *EFFECTS:* Ring modulator, chorus, delay, reverb, octave > *TECHNIQUES:* All real-time looping; odd time signature groove > established in the beginning with the ring modulator and ethereal > tones; free jazz solo improvisation to end of song > > *ARTIST WEBSITE:* _http://www.krispenhartung.com_ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 21 23:10:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM49Io25370; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:09:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:09:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041122024033.28083.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041122024033.28083.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:08:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Lexan overlay for Mackie Control Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/598/Sat Nov 20 14:30:09 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:40 PM -0800 11/21/04, S V G wrote: > Does anyone have the Adobe Audition (or CoolEdit Pro) lexan overlay for their Mackie Control? > I'd like to know what's on it so I can use them together. ,pdfs of these can be found in the "More Info section on the right of this page: http://www.mackie.com/products/mackiecontrol/index.html -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 00:13:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM5BrW02781; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:11:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:11:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=k2/Sf+7fgSM/xfZZCNkuxKoDJf+i/XLTBMG+mlOCHAp4iygxrRtgRM9TdQ8FMwtSjpUn/DR7KbovS7vr2mcH2Qq80NDUZfqMm2N2AqLK7LvKUeKzy4mm/2/SXiSHRikH0tBuQSdCtjXqG0FDkqLrirlPcxqrVOj5b0azDYeSi8s= ; Message-ID: <20041122051103.18540.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: howie days gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1101051537.28112@mx64a.mysite4now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am just wondering if "Day Bunnies" was recorded live as it sounds without editing, it sounds more like he is using an EDP than 2 DL4s bringing loops and parts in and out and staying in perfect sync.At the end of the song it also sounds like he "undos" back to the first loop like you would be able to do with an EDP but not with a DL4... Luis --- Don Makoviney wrote: > A search for: > > Howie day guitar rig > > Turned up this on Google.com > > http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm > > Enjoy. > > DM > > PS: You gotta check out the girl opening for Howie > on tour right now - > www.tristanprettyman.com . Awesome stuff. No > looping. . . but good acoustic > songs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: howie days gear > > Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great > songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind of > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > loopers > synced? > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 01:25:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM6ObF22341; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:24:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:24:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12020199.1101104653359.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:24:13 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Don't see too many of these: Paradis guitar on eBay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3764102132 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 01:57:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM6tZC29726; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:55:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c4d060$0c967000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: bum notes/ lumpy loops Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:54:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Francombe was talking about bum notes and it reminded me that in my live looping clinic at the recent PASIC convention (7 thousand drummer/percussionists all in the same convention hall/hotel all talking about wing nuts at once............teee heee) I demonstrated that one could make a lumpy loop (one that truncates a little to early or late) and that if one learns the loop that it can become musical and plays appropriately with it. I purposefully made a very , very late truncation of a beat box loop, enough so that famed drummer Billy Ward who was sitting in the front row (as intimidating as possible) was in physical agony over how 'bad' it sounded. But I got the audience to learn the 'actual' rhythm of the loop and start to sing in unison with it. Amazingly enough, the whole room singing in unison with this obvious pause at the end of the loop suddenly started sounding good and I started to sing a melody over the top of it. Steve Lawson gets all credit for hipping me to this wonderful phenomenae (although I had learned in my early loop trio gigs with my brother Bill and multi reed/multi instrumentalist Gary Regina that many a bad loop could be salvaged. I think I"ve mentioned this before, but for those who didn't read it earlier, Steve would lay down a really long loop with a lot of rubato parts in it and then play it over and over and over until he memorized the shape of the loop. This is so incredibly effective for training ourselves to play with musicians with either idiosyncratic ways of feeling time or musicians from culturals with radicall different metric maps than our typical metronomic western approach. In a way, if we learn what actually IS in a loops' timing, we get deeper and deeper with our understanding of where the ONE is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 02:31:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAM7Uh203974; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:30:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTQZRj+zItFkheWSXCatw5ZbhZk9w== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041122073017.YVFC28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and it's not mine--and it's no PMC-10 but many of our list users swear by these. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41419&item=3763935364 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Is this a good price? Only maybe. Are controllers this full featured difficult to acquire? Oh yeah . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 07:13:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMCBnn32331; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: howie days gear Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041122051103.18540.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTQUjUZnh5Kz3LHTciCyr08BmKH+AAOiV8Q Message-ID: <1101125644.11798@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, he doesn't use an EDP. DM -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: howie days gear I am just wondering if "Day Bunnies" was recorded live as it sounds without editing, it sounds more like he is using an EDP than 2 DL4s bringing loops and parts in and out and staying in perfect sync.At the end of the song it also sounds like he "undos" back to the first loop like you would be able to do with an EDP but not with a DL4... Luis --- Don Makoviney wrote: > A search for: > > Howie day guitar rig > > Turned up this on Google.com > > http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm > > Enjoy. > > DM > > PS: You gotta check out the girl opening for Howie > on tour right now - > www.tristanprettyman.com . Awesome stuff. No > looping. . . but good acoustic > songs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: howie days gear > > Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great > songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind of > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > loopers > synced? > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 07:15:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMCEem00763; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:14:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: howie days gear Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:14:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041121154928.11974.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcTP4hZ7R2wT/95OTpqpI3xx/guWCwAqoUSA Message-ID: <1101125821.13784@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He doesn't really do much looping in the studio. It is all pretty straightforward when he records. In fact, most of the time as of late Howie doesn't do ANY looping live. He does a few one off gigs solo where he loops and I think right now he might be doing a dozen or so shows as a solo guy - but mostly he has been playing with a full band lately. DM -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: howie days gear really? wow,they stay in sync pretty well if is not tricked in the studio! Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I > believe > he was using two DL4's (unsynched), one for the > geetar > and one for the voix. > > -t- > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Guys thanx for making me aware of this guy great > > songwritter!has anybody seen him live? what kind > of > > gear is he using and is he doing the bass with the > > guitar detuned? it also sounds like hes got 2 > > loopers > > synced? > > thanx > > Luis > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 08:08:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMD7B912568; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021a01c4d094$1e96c0f0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:06:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0217_01C4D09C.7F3127E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0217_01C4D09C.7F3127E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Per Boysen said Alas, if only life itself could be commited to 2-track... But isnt that the point!!, Life IS recorded on 2 track, and so for us = loopers that predominately record on 2 track (we do dont we,? I know I = do, bit of an edit here and there, Normalise, burn to a CDR and sell...) = and therefore looping does reflect life much more accurately that other = forms of music, that is written, practiced, recorded in parts, = overdubbed, mixed packaged marketed and sold... is that this approach is = often what we told is the correct approach for life? To have a goal, to = avoid mistakes, to design your self, market yourself, and ultimately not = know who your real self really is? Looping for me IS like the way it should be... Expose your self, accept = your mistakes (bum notes) and work with them till they "become = something" untill the next bum notte comes along... ... got somewhat deep just then, it must be the 3 feet of snow out side = that arrived last night, and thefact that Im home from work with a = terible flu... feeling strange... sorry about that... mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com mobile +47 98296008 ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 4030 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! ------=_NextPart_000_0217_01C4D09C.7F3127E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Per Boysen said

Alas, if only life itself could be = commited to=20 2-track...
 
 
But isnt that the point!!, Life IS = recorded on 2=20 track, and so for us loopers that predominately record on 2 track (we do = dont=20 we,? I know I do, bit of an edit here and there, Normalise, burn to a = CDR and=20 sell...) and therefore looping does reflect life much more accurately = that other=20 forms of music, that is written, practiced, recorded in parts, = overdubbed, mixed=20 packaged marketed and sold... is that this approach is often what we = told is the=20 correct approach for life? To have a goal, to avoid mistakes, to design = your=20 self, market yourself, and ultimately not know who your real self really = is?
Looping for me IS like the way it = should be...=20 Expose your self, accept your mistakes (bum notes) and work with them = till they=20 "become something" untill the next bum notte comes along...
 
... got somewhat deep just then, it = must be the 3=20 feet of snow out side that arrived last night, and thefact that Im home = from=20 work with a terible flu... feeling strange... sorry about = that...

 
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------=_NextPart_000_0217_01C4D09C.7F3127E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 09:19:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMEHVd27104; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <148.38189918.2ed0c658@aol.com> References: <148.38189918.2ed0c658@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-419181726 Message-Id: <029F2628-3C91-11D9-A509-00039383F742@sccadv.com> From: Jeff Evans Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_away_with_mirrors_=28was:_Re:_some_thoughts_o?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n_Ted's_queeries_about_art_and_self_esteem_and,_o?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?h_yeah,=A0_looping=29?= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:15:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-419181726 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Nov 20, 2004, at 10:10 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > When I used to play out a lot, it was the hardest > thing for me to accept praise. After a performance, > I'd be self-critically musing about ways I'd screwed > up, and when an audience member would approach > me to say they'd enjoyed the show, I'd point out the > flaws. . . . > > > {snip} > > > . . . I made a conscious effort to be a bit > more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still > being self-aware of the areas in which I needed > improvement. This made a world of difference. > A simple 'thank you' worked much better than a > discourse on the importance of reliable patch cords > Boy does that sound familiar... I think there's a pretty good reason why I've been so willing to point out my flaws to others, in regards to music, or work, or pretty much anything. I'd rather list all my faults one by one until there is nothing anyone can "call me on". If I state that "I've really got to get my act together in regards to _________", at the very least no one can accuse me (even in their own mind) of my not being aware of the "opportunity for improvement". It's a defense mechanism - beat them to the punch. However, I can tell you the exact evening I made the shift from listing all the performance flaws to the one where I just say "Thanks" and drive the conversation around whoever I'm talking to. It was the night that I walked off the stage and my wife handed me a written evaluation of every song of both sets. She was considerate enough to list both the good and the bad (so it could have been a lot worse) but it was a pretty clever illustration on her part of my proclivity towards self-analysis (and her reluctant duty to endure an hour of questioning about things no one but me would have ever even heard, when she'd rather be having some drinks with her friends and whatnot). In the end, the performance is what it was, and there's really nothing you can do to change it. You can change the next one, but in my experience that has a whole lot more to do with being in the moment than it does with addressing real or imaginary expectations. But what do I know - I use too much punctuation. Cheers, Jeff --Apple-Mail-1-419181726 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Nov 20, 2004, at 10:10 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Geneva0000,0000,FFFFWhen I used to play out a lot, it was the hardest Geneva0000,0000,FFFF thing for me to accept praise. After a performance, Geneva0000,0000,FFFF I'd be self-critically musing about ways I'd screwed Geneva0000,0000,FFFF up, and when an audience member would approach Geneva0000,0000,FFFFme to say they'd enjoyed the show, I'd point out the Geneva0000,0000,FFFFflaws. . . . Geneva {snip} Geneva0000,0000,FFFF. . . I made a conscious effort to be a bit Geneva0000,0000,FFFF more gracious in accepting the kudos, while still Geneva0000,0000,FFFF being self-aware of the areas in which I needed Geneva0000,0000,FFFF improvement. This made a world of difference. Geneva0000,0000,FFFFA simple 'thank you' worked much better than a Geneva0000,0000,FFFFdiscourse on the importance of reliable patch cords Boy does that sound familiar... I think there's a pretty good reason why I've been so willing to point out my flaws to others, in regards to music, or work, or pretty much anything. I'd rather list all my faults one by one until there is nothing anyone can "call me on". If I state that "I've really got to get my act together in regards to _________", at the very least no one can accuse me (even in their own mind) of my not being aware of the "opportunity for improvement". It's a defense mechanism - beat them to the punch. However, I can tell you the exact evening I made the shift from listing all the performance flaws to the one where I just say "Thanks" and drive the conversation around whoever I'm talking to. It was the night that I walked off the stage and my wife handed me a written evaluation of every song of both sets. She was considerate enough to list both the good and the bad (so it could have been a lot worse) but it was a pretty clever illustration on her part of my proclivity towards self-analysis (and her reluctant duty to endure an hour of questioning about things no one but me would have ever even heard, when she'd rather be having some drinks with her friends and whatnot). In the end, the performance is what it was, and there's really nothing you can do to change it. You can change the next one, but in my experience that has a whole lot more to do with being in the moment than it does with addressing real or imaginary expectations. But what do I know - I use too much punctuation. Cheers, Jeff --Apple-Mail-1-419181726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 10:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMFSoE12226; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:28:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:28:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <18291742.1101137203194.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 2MB file size limit may be the reason (not that I blame Kim for wanting to keep his hosting filesize under control). I think most people just handle the hosting on their own website. Personally, I'm not going to bother to chop down a piece, or re-encode it at some low bit-rate to make it fit 2MB. On a tangentally related note, I wish the loopers of the world list could by sorted by geographical location, since I'm more prone to be interested in stuff that's happening close to me that I might be able to check out live. TravisH >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:07:07 -0700 >From: "Krispen Hartung" >To: >Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis >Thanks, Doug. I recall seeing this now several months ago....too bad >it's not used more. >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 10:37:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMFacp13670; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:36:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:36:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:35:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c4d0a8$f754a7e0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <18291742.1101137203194.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, that 2MB restriction dissuaded me as well. What would be cool is if you could post a link to an MP3, rather than upload a file. I saw that you could post a link, but I'm assuming the program downloads the file for you? I agree, I wish I knew what other loopers were in the North West, besides you and Ted. It would be nice to know if there were another frequent poster besides myself here in Idaho or Boise. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis The 2MB file size limit may be the reason (not that I blame Kim for wanting to keep his hosting filesize under control). I think most people just handle the hosting on their own website. Personally, I'm not going to bother to chop down a piece, or re-encode it at some low bit-rate to make it fit 2MB. On a tangentally related note, I wish the loopers of the world list could by sorted by geographical location, since I'm more prone to be interested in stuff that's happening close to me that I might be able to check out live. TravisH >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:07:07 -0700 >From: "Krispen Hartung" >To: >Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis >Thanks, Doug. I recall seeing this now several months ago....too bad >it's not used more. >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 10:47:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMFiq515275; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c4d0ac$41831b00$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <021a01c4d094$1e96c0f0$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:59:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last night I was really tired after a very full weekend. I attempted to practice my classical piano, looking at the clock, anticipating some "decent hour" to crawl off to bed, as it was still early in the evening. I was trashed, hardly able to keep my eyes open. Decided to move over into loop-dom via keyboards/Repeater. Laid down some percussion. Raw. Then the tones of low, chordal, lead. Played a counter-lead on flute. Some Muse in the recesses of my mind freshly sprang forth, and long after my anticipated bedtime, I was able to finally head off to sleep...walking, not crawling! Looping can have such cool meditative/restorative powers! btw, this isn't a blanket statement about classical music! I dig the intricacies of the study, indeed...but life longs for variety for completeness! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 11:05:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMG39220239; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:03:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:03:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.16f8b32.2ed36714@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:00:20 EST Subject: Re: Australopithecus fusionensis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_ZULPB.A.iuE.u0goBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/22/04 7:36:22 AM, info@krispenhartung.com writes: << I agree, I wish I knew what other loopers were in the North West, besides you and Ted. >> Well, I'm here in Portland, OR. At this point I'm not really a public performer for a variety or reasons, so no shows for anyone to miss. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 11:21:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMGJFf24268; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:19:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29529618.1101140274891.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:17:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alternatives to a jammed inbox Re: Australopithecus fusionensis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopers: I love being part of this group, and I'm learning a lot, but since I joined, my daily e-mail influx went from 20 messages to 120 or even 150. What are my options? I don't wanna miss anything but I'm getting overwhelmed. Loop Luv, Tim Mungenast -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox Sent: Nov 21, 2004 10:33 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Australopithecus fusionensis Krispen: You might check out: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ It doesn't see much use, but that is what it's there for. Doug Krispen Hartung wrote: > *Here is a new format of sharing songs I'd like to try?suggestions > from the group on how to improve are welcome! It's sort of a song > "datasheet".* > > *SONG:* Australopithecus fusionensis > *CD:* 1/6 (still in prototype stage) > *GENRES / STYLES:* Jazz fusion, free-style, improvisational > *GEAR:* PRS McCarty jazz archtop guitar, two EDPs, Boss SX-700 > rackmount effects processor, Boss GT-3 floor effects processor, > DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE > > *URL:* > _http://zed.cbc.ca/action.ZeD?action=watch&CONTENT_ID=193609&type=acquisitionCMS_ > > > *ALT URL 1:* > _http://www.soundclick.com/util/Streamm3u.m3u?ID=1806940&q=hi_ > (click > or cut and paste into browser) > *ALT URL 2:* > _http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Australopithecus.fusionensis.mp3_ > > *EFFECTS:* Ring modulator, chorus, delay, reverb, octave > *TECHNIQUES:* All real-time looping; odd time signature groove > established in the beginning with the ring modulator and ethereal > tones; free jazz solo improvisation to end of song > > *ARTIST WEBSITE:* _http://www.krispenhartung.com_ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 11:37:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMGbOS27144; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:37:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:36:50 -0500 Subject: In LA for a couple of days... For those who live there... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3183968210_3012457" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3183968210_3012457 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear folks, I=B9m going to be for first time in years in LA for about 5 days just visitin= g my birthplace and the =8Ctown=B9 where I grew up. I=B9m looking to meet some of my friends from the list face to face, even if only for coffee, let alone playing for a minute... Anybody who feels led to be in touch, please do, it=B9d be a pleasure. Todd --B_3183968210_3012457 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable In LA for a couple of days... For those who live there... Dear folks,

I’m going to be for first time in years in LA for about 5 days just v= isiting my birthplace and the ‘town’ where I grew up.  I= 217;m looking to meet some of my friends from the list face to face, even if= only for coffee, let alone playing for a minute...  Anybody who feels = led to be in touch, please do, it’d be a pleasure.

Todd



 --B_3183968210_3012457-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 11:43:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMGfJb28646; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:41:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:41:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <21350814.1101141650101.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:40:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?handling_praise,_and_Larry's_musical_ma?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?dness_Re:_away_with_mirrors_(was:_Re:_so?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?me_thoughts_on_Ted's_queeries_about_art?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_and_self_esteem_and,_oh_yeah,=A0_looping)?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "But what do I know - I use too much punctuation." No, Jeff your punctuation is okay, and so are your and ArsOcarina's thoughts on handling praise: if someone wants to like your stuff, and they feel compelled to praise you, for goodness' sake, let them. None of us is getting rich at this music biz, so in lieu of great wealth, praise helps to fill to void... let it come. Dissect your performance all you want TO YOURSELF or a carefully chosen fellow traveler, but responding to praise by saying "well, it needed work here and here and..." can be misconstrued as a diss to your fans: almost like telling them they have no taste and you don't respect them. BTW, I traded CDs with Cooperman, and the little sampler he threw together for me is marvelous. Starts off with deliciously thorny solo classical, almost Schoenbergian, followed by some entertainingly demented experimental technoweirdness, replete with those backtones of his, some inexplicable noises, treated vocals. This is going into a hallowed place in my permanent collection. The guy knows how to play, but he doesn't let that get in the way, if you get my drift. Most people with his chops aren't nearly as funny. Well done, Larry. ~Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 11:59:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMGxGa00817; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:59:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:59:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:52:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: In LA for a couple of days... For those who live there... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1110979817==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1110979817==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:36 AM -0500 11/22/04, todd reynolds wrote: >I'm going to be for first time in years in LA for about 5 days just >visiting my birthplace and the 'town' where I grew up. I'm looking >to meet some of my friends from the list face to face, even if only >for coffee, let alone playing for a minute... Anybody who feels led >to be in touch, please do, it'd be a pleasure. Give a call. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1110979817==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: In LA for a couple of days... For those who live there
At 11:36 AM -0500 11/22/04, todd reynolds wrote:

I'm going to be for first time in years in LA for about 5 days just visiting my birthplace and the 'town' where I grew up.  I'm looking to meet some of my friends from the list face to face, even if only for coffee, let alone playing for a minute...  Anybody who feels led to be in touch, please do, it'd be a pleasure.

Give a call.

--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1110979817==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 12:10:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMH8BN02369; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.2f036135.2ed376ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:07:26 EST Subject: Re: Australopithecus fusionensis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.2f036135.2ed376ce_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <6zyn.A.tj.lzhoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.2f036135.2ed376ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 11/21/04 20:07:44, info@krispenhartung.com writes: > ALT URL 2: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/ > files/Australopithecus.fusionensis.mp3 >=20 I downloaded th MP3 at the above link and enjoyed it=20 a lot. I look forward to the CD when it develops. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1e6.2f036135.2ed376ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 11/21/04 20:07:44, info@krispenhartung.com writes:

ALT URL 2: http://= static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/
files/Australopithecus.fusionensis.mp3

I downloaded th MP3 at the above link and enjoyed it
a lot. I look forward to the CD when it develops.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1e6.2f036135.2ed376ce_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 12:10:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMH8Vm02402; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041122073017.YVFC28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20041122073017.YVFC28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:00:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1110979214==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <5Z1mx.A.jk.0zhoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1110979214==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:30 PM -0800 11/21/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: >it's no PMC-10 It's a lot harder to break than the PMC-10. The Mitigator is a relatively "dumb" controller in that it won't send different messages on switch down/switch up or alternate messages on subsequent switch pressings (the sort of functionality that distinguishes the PMC-10). What it does do is allow the programming of any combination of any MIDI message types. AND you can stomp on it without danger of breaking the switches. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1110979214==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay
At 11:30 PM -0800 11/21/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:
it's no PMC-10

It's a lot harder to break than the PMC-10.

The Mitigator is a relatively "dumb" controller in that it won't send different messages on switch down/switch up or alternate messages on subsequent switch pressings (the sort of functionality that distinguishes the PMC-10). What it does do is allow the programming of any combination of any MIDI message types. AND you can stomp on it without danger of breaking the switches.
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1110979214==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 12:38:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMHaQt09191; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?handling_praise,_and_Larry's_musical_ma?= In-Reply-To: <21350814.1101141650101.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <21350814.1101141650101.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Dissect your performance all you want TO YOURSELF or a carefully chosen > fellow traveler, but responding to praise by saying "well, it needed > work here and here and..." can be misconstrued as a diss to your fans: > almost like telling them they have no taste and you don't respect them. Exactly. I had a friend who would always respond to anyone, whether or not he knew them, who came up to him after a show to say "good show", with a recitation of every piece of gear that malfunctioned during the show, with his clumsy fingering, missed cues, that he hadn't had time to prep the visuals correctly, and generally left the unfortunate person with the impression that they must have been tone-deaf, blind and stupid to have misunderstood just how bad a show they just attended. He's stopped that by now, thankfully. Personally, I just reply with some variant of "Thanks, I'm glad you liked it, and thanks for coming". If they want to talk about details or other items, that's great, but almost everyone who approaches me after a show just wants to say thanks - oh, and typically ask about some piece of gear, but that's a separate topic :). regards, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 12:50:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMHn2M13536; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:49:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Australopithecus fusionensis Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:48:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c4d0bb$7cc73bb0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D080.D06863B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1e6.2f036135.2ed376ce@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-JZ4R.A.xRD.8ZioBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D080.D06863B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Ted...and, of course, it pleases me to no end to see that ridiculously long song title in an email subject heading! [maniacal laugh]...I knew those physical anthropology courses 12 years ago would come in handy some time. :) K- -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Kris, In a message dated 11/21/04 20:07:44, info@krispenhartung.com writes: ALT URL 2: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/ files/Australopithecus.fusionensis.mp3 I downloaded th MP3 at the above link and enjoyed it a lot. I look forward to the CD when it develops. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D080.D06863B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks, Ted...and, of course, it pleases me = to no end=20 to see that ridiculously long song title in an email subject=20 heading! [maniacal laugh]...I knew those physical anthropology = courses 12=20 years ago would come in handy some time. :)
 
K-
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] =

Kris,

In a message dated 11/21/04 = 20:07:44,=20 info@krispenhartung.com writes:

ALT URL 2: http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/
files/Australopithecus.fusionensis.mp3

I downloaded th MP3 at the above = link and=20 enjoyed it
a lot. I look forward to the CD when it = develops.

Best=20 regards,

tEd ®=20 = kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com= /cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.g= arageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.as= px?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<= BR>
Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D080.D06863B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 12:56:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMHsdt15575; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: MIDI Mitigator vs PMC-10 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:53:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcTQtjhGOws+dVtWTmWn5iKUKqbQrwABQxkg Message-Id: <20041122175330.GYHS10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: The Mitigator is a relatively "dumb" controller in that it won't send different messages on switch down/switch up or alternate messages on subsequent switch pressings (the sort of functionality that distinguishes the PMC-10). ---->Having owned both, that feature is the main difference--I didn't like the 'Gator footswitches, but they are robust. Other differences are pedals in a bank (5 vs 9) and slots for patches (I forget, but the PMC has more)--also the incredible software editing program Raymond for the PMC (by that Echevarria guy, list member). And the 'Gator only has one CC pedal jack (vs 2), but since the PMC seems to be ridiculously scarce, I thought it worth pointing out that this alternative is currently available on ebay. It might be in real good shape too! One more time-- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41419&item=3763935364 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 13:15:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMIEsr24314; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Rewire Live / Logic 7 question Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:46 -0800 Message-ID: <043a01c4d0bf$266942a0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > ..."faring" was a new word for me ;-) An old English word? My main > interest is to loop audi i Numerology only (on pair with my EDP, of > course). Thanks Per. I looked up "faring" and it is a word that isn't used much. But coincidentally found this: Embassy of Sweden - How is the Swedish model faring? http://www.swedenabroad.com/pages/news____27433.asp&root=18413 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 13:18:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMIGMK25209; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:16:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:16:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041122175330.GYHS10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20041122175330.GYHS10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:11:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator vs PMC-10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:53 AM -0800 11/22/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: >---->Having owned both, that feature is the main difference--I didn't like >the 'Gator footswitches, but they are robust. >Other differences are pedals in a bank (5 vs 9) and slots for patches (I >forget, but the PMC has more)--also the incredible software editing program >Raymond for the PMC (by that Echevarria guy, list member). >And the 'Gator only has one CC pedal jack (vs 2), but since the PMC seems to >be ridiculously scarce, I thought it worth pointing out that this >alternative is currently available on ebay. It might be in real good shape >too! These are pertinent points, and I agree with them all. In my experience the PMC-10 is much harder to find than the Mitigator, though both are as scarce as chicken's lips. I've bought two Mitigators (one of which needed a new battery) and one PMC-10 (which was missing one of the plastic end caps and had one broken switch). This is probably typical. You are more likely to find a Mitigator in good condition than a PMC-10, due to the robust construction of the former and the frailty of the latter. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 13:49:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMImrU03126; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:48:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:48:27 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41A2347B.3050806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20041122073017.YVFC28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The Mitigator is a relatively "dumb" controller in that it won't send > different messages on switch down/switch up While not as powerful as the PMC, switches can be configured in "keyboard" mode where they will send Note Ons when the switch is pressed and Note Offs when the switch is released. This allows you to control the SUS functions of the EDP for example. It is very sturdy, but the switches are also difficult to activate without shoes. I've had one for many years but never really used it because of the switch tension. I've heard that if you glue a little rubber bumper on them they're easier to activate. I reverse engineered the sysex format and wrote a crude editor several years ago. I can't build it any more, but I'll be happy to provide the source code as an example if anyone is interested. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 14:03:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMJ1da06967; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:01:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:01:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:58:52 -0500 Organization: Bill Edmondson Message-ID: <003301c4d0c5$52e8a6d0$c100000a@myNotebook600> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <41A2347B.3050806@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, please send the source! I've got a midigator (paid $150 about 5 years ago) and would love to have an editor! Can you elaborate on the rubber bumper idea? I've have a similar experience with the footswitches. Thanks, bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay > The Mitigator is a relatively "dumb" controller in that it won't send > different messages on switch down/switch up While not as powerful as the PMC, switches can be configured in "keyboard" mode where they will send Note Ons when the switch is pressed and Note Offs when the switch is released. This allows you to control the SUS functions of the EDP for example. It is very sturdy, but the switches are also difficult to activate without shoes. I've had one for many years but never really used it because of the switch tension. I've heard that if you glue a little rubber bumper on them they're easier to activate. I reverse engineered the sysex format and wrote a crude editor several years ago. I can't build it any more, but I'll be happy to provide the source code as an example if anyone is interested. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 14:10:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMJ8cg08633; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:08:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:08:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41A2347B.3050806@sun.com> References: <20041122073017.YVFC28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41A2347B.3050806@sun.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:58:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3hMy1.A.YFC.SkjoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:48 PM -0600 11/22/04, Jeff Larson wrote: >While not as powerful as the PMC, switches can be configured in >"keyboard" mode where they will send Note Ons when the switch is >pressed and Note Offs when the switch is released. This allows you to >control the SUS functions of the EDP for example. I didn't realize that. >It is very sturdy, but the switches are also difficult to activate >without shoes. I've had one for many years but never really used >it because of the switch tension. I've heard that if you glue a >little rubber bumper on them they're easier to activate. It's also possible to remove the heavy-duty rubber switch covers in order to access the switches themselves. This facilitates unshod operation. >I reverse engineered the sysex format and wrote a crude editor several >years ago. I can't build it any more, but I'll be happy to provide the >source code as an example if anyone is interested. That would probably be useful. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 14:19:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMJJNZ10834; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301c4d0c5$52e8a6d0$c100000a@myNotebook600> References: <003301c4d0c5$52e8a6d0$c100000a@myNotebook600> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:17:58 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1110971407==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1110971407==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:58 PM -0500 11/22/04, Bill Edmondson wrote: >Can you elaborate on the rubber bumper idea? I've have a similar >experience with the footswitches. Most foot switches actually consist of two parts: 1) the switch itself, which is normally small, fairly delicate, and attached to the circuit board, and 2) a switch covering or actuator that is the physical element a user presses on with his/her foot. The mechanical behavior of the cover or actuator and its physcial relationship to the electronic switch are both important. In many switches the actuator has a little finger-like nub that presses the moveable center portion of the switch. In the case of the Mitigator, if memory serves, there is a small disk that (probably) presses on the circuit-board-mounted switch, and this in turn is pressed by center portion of the rubber switch covering when the foot presses down on it. The rubber switch covering is fairly thick and stiff. It is possible to press on it without fully activating the switch beneath. This might happen, for instance, if your foot comes down at a slight angle. By attaching what Bill calls a "bumper" to the rubber switch covering, and by being sure that this extra piece is centered on the underlying switch, it is possible to get a more "positive" mechanical response to foot pressure. Think of it like this: You are using a tiny hand-held device such as a calculator or a cell phone, but you have big fat finger tips that don't always activate the tiny buttons properly. So you use a pencil or stylus to press the buttons, increasing accuracy and positive contact. The "bumper" piece serves the function of the stylus, focusing the foot pressure at a smaller point. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1110971407==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay
At 1:58 PM -0500 11/22/04, Bill Edmondson wrote:

Can you elaborate on the rubber bumper idea? I've have a similar
experience with the footswitches.

Most foot switches actually consist of two parts: 1) the switch itself, which is normally small, fairly delicate, and attached to the circuit board, and 2) a switch covering or actuator that is the physical element a user presses on with his/her foot.

The mechanical behavior of the cover or actuator and its physcial relationship to the electronic switch are both important. In many switches the actuator has a little finger-like nub that presses the moveable center portion of the switch. In the case of the Mitigator, if memory serves, there is a small disk that (probably) presses on the circuit-board-mounted switch, and this in turn is pressed by center portion of the rubber switch covering when the foot presses down on it. The rubber switch covering is fairly thick and stiff. It is possible to press on it without fully activating the switch beneath. This might happen, for instance, if your foot  comes down at a slight angle. By attaching what Bill calls a "bumper" to the rubber switch covering, and by  being sure that this extra piece is centered on the underlying switch, it is possible to get a more "positive" mechanical response to foot pressure.

Think of it like this: You are using a tiny hand-held device such as a calculator or a cell phone, but you have big fat finger tips that don't always activate the tiny buttons properly. So you use a pencil or stylus to press the buttons, increasing accuracy and positive contact. The "bumper" piece serves the function of the stylus, focusing the foot pressure at a smaller point.
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
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--============_-1110971407==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 14:31:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMJTkq13297; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:29:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:28:28 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator Pedal for sale on ebay In-reply-to: <003301c4d0c5$52e8a6d0$c100000a@myNotebook600> To: edmondson5@comcast.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41A23DDC.30702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003301c4d0c5$52e8a6d0$c100000a@myNotebook600> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Edmondson wrote: > Please, please send the source! I've got a midigator (paid $150 about 5 > years ago) and would love to have an editor! I posted some files to the RFC-1 Yahoo group awhile ago: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rfc1/files/ rfc-sysex.txt has a description of the dump format, rfc-sysex.c has code to convert between the binary dump and a C memory model. It isn't an editor, but one could be built on top of it. I had code that would convert the binary dump to a text file that could be edited, then converted back, but unfortunately I can't find it. > Can you elaborate on the rubber bumper idea? I've have a similar > experience with the footswitches. Get a small rubber "knob" of some sort, like the ones you can screw on the bottom of a chair leg, or the feet that glue onto the bottom of electronic equipment. Something that already comes with an adhesive backing is best. It probably needs to be at least 1/4 inch thick. Glue this to the center of an RFC switch. This focuses the pressure directly on the membrane switch underneath. I would use a soft rubbery substance rather than hard plastic to avoid damaging the membrane switch if you stomp on it too hard. I have not tried this, but other members of the RFC group say it works. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 15:58:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMKvDU28911; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:57:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:57:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: gig, Cambridge UK, this Saturday 27th Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:56:22 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAMKuca28680 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (apologies if this is a repeat but I don't think the mail got out last time ) Zaum + Darkroom in Concert, Saturday November 27th Michaelhouse Centre, Trinity Street Cambridge 7.30 pm. Ģ5 / Ģ3 concs. This concert is the last in the nationwide tour that Zaum have been undertaking to promote their new CD on Slam ('Above Our Heads The Sky Splits Open'), which received a very positive review in The Wire - 'as good as anything you'll hear this year'. Zaum makes music instantly conceived and played by improvisers brought together by drummer Steve Harris, who is perhaps best known for his work with Jan Kopinski and Pinski Zoo. Zaum also includes Cathy Stevens - six string Eviolectra, viola; Udo Dzierzanowski - guitar; Geoff Hearn - tenor/alto/soprano sax; Karen Wimhurst - clarinet/bass clarinet; Adrian Newton - live and found samples. The Wire described Zaum as 'one of Britain's most remarkable improvising ensembles', so this is surely an event not to be missed! Further details of this and other tour dates at http://www.steve-harris.info/ Poster - http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downloads/zaum_poster.jpg Press release - http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downloads/zaum_press_release.pdf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 16:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMLIxv04846; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c4d0d8$d00469c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: REPEATER for sale in excellent shape Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:18:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4swHlD.A.AJB.leloBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My good friend Matthew Shrieber is selling his Electrix Repeater. He has hardly used it at all so it is in perfect shape. It includes the power supply, stock 16 meg card, the OS update 1.1, Manual, rack mount ears, original box, and, the digitech FS300 foot switch for play/stop, record and tap tempo. He wants $800 or a serious best offer. He can be reached at spooky_pants2@yahoo.com Please don't e-mail me about it, thanks! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 16:57:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMLu6Q12625; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A26032.7080508@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:54:58 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Mitigator vs PMC-10 References: <20041122175330.GYHS10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20041122175330.GYHS10733.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Richard Zvonar wrote: > ...but since the PMC seems to > be ridiculously scarce, I thought it worth pointing out that this > alternative is currently available on ebay. It might be in real good shape > too! A quick google reveals that patchmanmusic has a pmc10 for sale in the us only. http://www.patchmanmusic.com/UsedGear.html :) Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 17:39:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMMbnP21589; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lHtoqnDTdXwBPrjSFwaK/+f7yiksF3wrQ1aq3gvZBZJGNjectfV05Y72w0L3xYQCecYDXchMDZC1zuToddQ7YDpUhHZNGdD5BZWCj1eTOeER237M0QuUeLO5hemPv5+1qkueSJer6g4v6qjIEldAhlfTkKkz9jtMkmPZc2nxl/U= ; Message-ID: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: artists as outsiders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1052221590-1101163025=:3873" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1052221590-1101163025=:3873 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the debate of artists as outsiders was tackled back when i was in grad school, the debate is: are artists outside of society or are they a part of society? and the debate continues w/ are artists influenced by the goings on in the world (influence from outside/external) or are they the beacons from which change comes (somewhat internal, and from this comes the debate of the avant garde, the forerunners who change all, and from which most take 10 yrs to catch up to) there's not really an answer, it's a bit of both, stuff comes in, then goes out and becomes a cycle, as for the van gogh reference, yes, he sold only one painting to his brother, but his brother also supported him during his 10 yr art career (his last 10 yrs of life), and the debate as far as he's concerned, he was untrained, was friends w/ gauguin and had interaction w/ him (who was trained but rejected training) and so his below the radar career was developed during his lifetime, and then the myths spring up after that.... but one thing to remember, he planned everything and was very passionate about art... my late 2 cents for today....s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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the debate of artists as outsiders was tackled back when i was in grad school,
the debate is: are artists outside of society or are they a part of society?
and the debate continues w/ are artists influenced by the goings on in the world (influence from outside/external)
or are they the beacons from which change comes (somewhat internal, and from this comes the debate of the avant garde, the forerunners who change all, and from which most take 10 yrs to catch up to)
there's not really an answer, it's a bit of both, stuff comes in, then goes out and becomes a cycle,
as for the van gogh reference, yes, he sold only one painting to his brother, but his brother also supported him during his 10 yr art career (his last 10 yrs of life), and the debate as far as he's concerned, he was untrained, was friends w/ gauguin and had interaction w/ him (who was trained but rejected training) and so his below the radar career was developed during his lifetime, and then the myths spring up after that....
but one thing to remember, he planned everything and was very passionate about art...
my late 2 cents for today....s---

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The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! --0-1052221590-1101163025=:3873-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 17:53:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAMMrCF24976; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:53:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:50:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: artists as outsiders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:37 PM -0800 11/22/04, scott hansen wrote: >the debate of artists as outsiders was tackled back when i was in grad school, >the debate is: are artists outside of society or are they a part of society? >and the debate continues w/ are artists influenced by the goings on >in the world (influence from outside/external) >or are they the beacons from which change comes (somewhat internal, >and from this comes the debate of the avant garde, the forerunners >who change all, and from which most take 10 yrs to catch up to) >there's not really an answer, it's a bit of both, stuff comes in, >then goes out and becomes a cycle, All of the above. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 19:05:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN048V14719; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: artists as outsiders Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:00:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are part of society it is just that society is not part of itself? What is a collective society, just in the place called the United States? I scratch my head. I think in times gone by there may have been something of a societal collection, here and there, groups of appreciators of this or that art but damn if I can see a collection now. Artists are a society unto themselves and nose pickers and Jazz Republicans to slash and burn family values society will never be part of civilization at its best. Who will remember the woman that exclusively paints angels with big eyes, wings and stuff in 20 years? Like I said earlier artists are herd animals in the field going "moooo I'm an artiste mooo." Back at the ranch Bubba is flossing the Tri Tip out of his teeth and voting for slash and burn family values types that will cut the hell out of the NEA. What society are we talking about? It is clear that there is no constant and society is a collection of factions. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 19:25:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN0NcT21008; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:23:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:23:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010201c4d0f2$77f4c710$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: artists as outsiders Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:22:07 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Real Artists are mutants, and the general public is scared of them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 20:38:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN1bCE07658; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:37:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:37:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c4d0fd$8f6cec00$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> <010201c4d0f2$77f4c710$0407a8c0@eluk01> Subject: Re: artists as outsiders Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:41:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.173.51] at Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:35:58 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <13n7ND.A.7zB.CQpoBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly, look at Britney Spears for example... ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.P. Goodman" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: Re: artists as outsiders > Real Artists are mutants, and the general public is scared of them. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 21:03:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN22X615031; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c4d100$88691610$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> From: "redrum123" To: Subject: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:02:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote about a month ago asking for volunteers for a ethnographic paper I am writing, for a World Music class I am taking at university. I am going to conduct "email interviews", with 1 set of questions, and probably follow-up questions. I got responses, so if you responded, ignore this email :) I'm going to send out the questions probably later tonight. If you didn't respond last time, and think you have the time, I would definately appreciate a bit of your time. It doesn't matter what style of music you perform AT ALL, as long as you use a looping/delay tool! Thank you kindly :) -gsc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 21:58:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN2w1L27389; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:58:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:58:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A2A6F9.9030906@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:56:57 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: artists as outsiders References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:37 PM -0800 11/22/04, scott hansen wrote: > >> the debate of artists as outsiders was tackled back when i was in >> grad school, >> the debate is: are artists outside of society or are they a part of >> society? >> and the debate continues w/ are artists influenced by the goings on >> in the world (influence from outside/external) >> or are they the beacons from which change comes (somewhat internal, >> and from this comes the debate of the avant garde, the forerunners >> who change all, and from which most take 10 yrs to catch up to) >> there's not really an answer, it's a bit of both, stuff comes in, >> then goes out and becomes a cycle, > > > All of the above. here's my take on the inside outside binary as it relates to artists and society. firstly, all human beings are engaged in their society in a series of couplings between our internal capacity, as manifest in external and material action, and our external environment, as manifest in internalised response imperatives. the one drives the other, and so forth, and hence the loop is embodied. now the inside and ouside binary in relation to our social position for me is identifiable by our tendency, as artists, to locate out capacity for action at the edges of our internal knowledge, such that our exchanges with society are always in rarified commodities, the products of manipulating our environment during the loop between our extended capacity and the limited materiality offered up the populace for the strict purposes of aesthetic production. not content with this limited and overdefined palette, art has expanded into all facets of the human being in order to conciliate the felt internal capacity with a material circumstance we can call "our place". we want the world to match our imaginations. the general populace, I would say, are less driven by their imaginings of place than they are by the navigation with the place they are given. their coupled loops with society are based on the simpler set of exchanges within the realm of survival. not to be too facetious, but if we are as artists are in a coupled loop with our society in momentary system exchanges at the edges of our capacity, we are neither inside nor outside, but somewhere fair in the middle in of the loop called being... :) hungover, and probably shouldn't be speculating... -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 22:20:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN3J2u32452; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:19:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:19:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A2AC16.2040100@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:18:46 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interviews / Ethnographic Study References: <001101c4d100$88691610$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> In-Reply-To: <001101c4d100$88691610$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com redrum123 wrote: >I wrote about a month ago asking for volunteers for a ethnographic paper I >am writing, for a World Music class I am taking at university. I am going >to conduct "email interviews", with 1 set of questions, and probably >follow-up questions. I got responses, so if you responded, ignore this >email :) I'm going to send out the questions probably later tonight. If >you didn't respond last time, and think you have the time, I would >definately appreciate a bit of your time. It doesn't matter what style of >music you perform AT ALL, as long as you use a looping/delay tool! > >Thank you kindly :) > >-gsc. > > > > hi, I may have responded last time, but if not, you can count me in... -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 22 22:52:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN3oeX04681; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c4d10f$57f7d1b0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00be01c4d0ac$41831b00$0200a8c0@audiows> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now if we can just bottle up that looping mind-state, we'd be millionaires....or did they already do that with Vicodin and Valium? ;) I think a similar thing happens to me when I crawl into bed and pull out the H.P. Lovecraft book....next thing I know, I'm in the basement working on a soundtrack to Altered States II. Speaking of which, has anyone had the priveledge to perform loop music for a film or theater production? I would really like to do this. K- -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loops curative/restful powers Last night I was really tired after a very full weekend. I attempted to practice my classical piano, looking at the clock, anticipating some "decent hour" to crawl off to bed, as it was still early in the evening. I was trashed, hardly able to keep my eyes open. Decided to move over into loop-dom via keyboards/Repeater. Laid down some percussion. Raw. Then the tones of low, chordal, lead. Played a counter-lead on flute. Some Muse in the recesses of my mind freshly sprang forth, and long after my anticipated bedtime, I was able to finally head off to sleep...walking, not crawling! Looping can have such cool meditative/restorative powers! btw, this isn't a blanket statement about classical music! I dig the intricacies of the study, indeed...but life longs for variety for completeness! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 01:41:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN6csY32190; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:38:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:38:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.2] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: artists as outsiders Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:37:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2004 06:38:00.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA063610:01C4D126] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Theo VanGogh,Vincent's brother was an established art boker in Paris,Vincent's outsider status was because he was just too weird for his contemporaries, no matter how hard Theo tried they didn;t buy his art because they didn't like it.He wasn't really unschooled,he went throught the same stages of developing his figure drawing ,his control of line,perspective, depth, mass contrast etc that he would have practiced in Academy. You can see this developement if you look at his drawings in Chronological order.He did the same with control of brush and paint,and the mixing of colors. There is eveidence that towards the end when he was over the edge he was eating his paints and poisoning himself.His one painting sold was to his doctor. Correspodance of the VanGogh bros.has been published under the title Dear Theo. Not all artists are outsiders,not all outsiders are artists From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 01:49:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN6meL01425; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <001101c4d100$88691610$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> References: <001101c4d100$88691610$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DB2ADD0-3D1B-11D9-9E1E-0030657377D0@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:48:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I wrote about a month ago asking for volunteers for a ethnographic > paper I > am writing, for a World Music class I am taking at university. I am > going > to conduct "email interviews", with 1 set of questions, and probably > follow-up questions. I got responses, so if you responded, ignore this > email :) I'm going to send out the questions probably later tonight. > If > you didn't respond last time, and think you have the time, I would > definately appreciate a bit of your time. It doesn't matter what > style of > music you perform AT ALL, as long as you use a looping/delay tool! > > Thank you kindly :) > > -gsc. > > Hi You can send me the Q if you like Bapman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 01:54:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN6rVt02417; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:02:50 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: artists as outsiders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <8NlKuD.A.Gl.e5toBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, samba * wrote: [snip] > Not all artists are outsiders,not all outsiders are artists Two aphorisms I keep to mind are: "Different is not always better, but better is always different" and "Just because no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." :) best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 02:15:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN7DZa07517; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:13:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:13:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:09:31 -0800 Subject: Re: artists as outsiders From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "you're not an artist unless you sell" ... v.vangogh > Theo VanGogh,Vincent's brother was an established art boker in > Paris,Vincent's outsider status was because he was just too weird for his > contemporaries, no matter how hard Theo tried they didn;t buy his art > because they didn't like it.He wasn't really unschooled,he went throught the > same stages of developing his figure drawing ,his control of > line,perspective, depth, mass contrast etc that he would have practiced in > Academy. You can see this developement if you look at his drawings in > Chronological order.He did the same with control of brush and paint,and the > mixing of colors. There is eveidence that towards the end when he was over > the edge he was eating his paints and poisoning himself.His one painting > sold was to his doctor. Correspodance of the VanGogh bros.has been published > under the title Dear Theo. > Not all artists are outsiders,not all outsiders are artists > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 03:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAN8Qvq25708; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004e01c4d10f$57f7d1b0$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <004e01c4d10f$57f7d1b0$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <38FDFFAE-3D29-11D9-8ADE-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:25:24 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Speaking of which, has anyone had the priveledge to perform loop music > for a film or theater production? I would really like to do this. No. I've only done it for film and theatre as a way to produce a recorded soundtrack. But I too have been thinking about how great it would be to play live for film projection or - even better - a theatre play :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 07:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANCX3w09398; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c4d158$61e91910$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> <010201c4d0f2$77f4c710$0407a8c0@eluk01> <001701c4d0fd$8f6cec00$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: artists as outsiders Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:31:39 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I said *real* artists. Not 'celebrities' with vocal tone-correction software and synchronized dancing. > Exactly, look at Britney Spears for example... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S.P. Goodman" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: artists as outsiders > > > > Real Artists are mutants, and the general public is scared of them. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 08:46:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANDjl826161; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:45:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:45:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:26 +0100 (CET) From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electrix back ? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Medianet/v2.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iANDjQa26054 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello people. I was away from the list for too long. I am still in the tedious process of scanning the archives for valuable info (there is a lot)... I, like many, I guess am trying to find a repeater... Just as I was finding one (for a nice 1100 $ incluing shipping to europe) I heard something about Electrix being back early next year! Anyone has a few info ??? Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 09:35:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANEYEv07626; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:34:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <010201c4d0f2$77f4c710$0407a8c0@eluk01> References: <20041122223705.6328.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com> <010201c4d0f2$77f4c710$0407a8c0@eluk01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: (OT) Guitar Amp Pro - software guitar rig in Logic (+ looping option) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:33:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iANEXSa07476 Resent-Message-ID: <5nGcHD.A.L1B.4o0oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Since there are quite a few guitarists on this list I thought that someone might be interested in checking out two short sound demo files from the plug-in Guitar Amp Pro that comes with Logic Pro 7. The excerpts go with a Swedish magazine review. http://www.fuzz.se/gap/ Just a short note. Apple bundles a lot of pre-sets with Logic Pro 7 but all of them are to be found either in the GAP plug-in or as channel strips on audio tracks. This is a bummer since the best guitar sound with the thing is achieved when opening a plug-in chain directly on an Input object (LogicĻ's software port to the physical input of the sound card). The plug-in chain used at the test was Gain --> Noise Gate --> FuzzWha --> GAP. I found that this amp simulator uses way less CPU power then others I have tested (NI Guitar Rig, Nomad). With L7/GAP and some looping plug-in you may cook up some nice toy on a powerbook ;-) Oh, there is now a very easy midi-learn function in Logic. I simply popped the midi cable into Logic and played the wha-wha from my FCB1010 pedal. And I found out that it's not the same good amp simulator in Logic Express. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 09:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANEqjj10459; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: RE: artists as outsiders Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:51:19 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c4d16b$e4dc5f90$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And of course, "Not everyone can be a driftwood artist" - Saturday Night Live I'll let everyone read into this what they want... ;) -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: artists as outsiders On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, samba * wrote: [snip] > Not all artists are outsiders,not all outsiders are artists Two aphorisms I keep to mind are: "Different is not always better, but better is always different" and "Just because no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." :) best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:06:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANF5Tu14359; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c4d16d$bc335e20$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <38FDFFAE-3D29-11D9-8ADE-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think an interesting, and experimental loop music/dance production would be play a loop, have a modern dancer come out and dance in sync to the part and continue to loop that dance part...then you layer another loop part, and another dancer comes out to dance in sync to that as well...and so on until a soundscape of loops is created with several dancers doing their "dance loops"...a union of musical and modern dance looped choreography. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:25 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Speaking of which, has anyone had the priveledge to perform loop music > for a film or theater production? I would really like to do this. No. I've only done it for film and theatre as a way to produce a recorded soundtrack. But I too have been thinking about how great it would be to play live for film projection or - even better - a theatre play :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:07:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANF6la14583; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:06:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:06:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4D16D.DEB13861" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C5B7C@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Unsubscribe Thread-Index: AcTRbd66/i5C3Qh2ToCbdz8ivDx7VQ== From: "Alen Cileli" To: "Loopers-Delight \(E-mail\)" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D16D.DEB13861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D16D.DEB13861 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsubscribe











------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D16D.DEB13861-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:08:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANF8Db15192; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:08:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:08:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: , Loopers Subject: Re: Re: Loops and theatre Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:06:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:06:51 -0600 Message-Id: <20041123150651.PDAP1463.out003.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've played my brand of looping music at a theatre while people were finding their seats and during the intermission. This was for a Boston production of The Wall performed at (then Aerosmith's) Lansdowne Playhouse. It was a perfectly fulfilling activity for me at the time. I thought the spacey ambient sounds I was UNDOing at the time were a perfect palet-cleanser from the Pink Floyd, which was stunningly well played by the band. > > From: Per Boysen > Date: 2004/11/23 Tue AM 08:25:24 GMT > To: Loopers > Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers > > On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > Speaking of which, has anyone had the priveledge to perform loop music > > for a film or theater production? I would really like to do this. > > No. I've only done it for film and theatre as a way to produce a > recorded soundtrack. But I too have been thinking about how great it > would be to play live for film projection or - even better - a theatre > play :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:11:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFB1n16029; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Re: electrix back ? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:09:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:09:36 -0600 Message-Id: <20041123150936.XRGF1432.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try looking here. http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr > Date: 2004/11/23 Tue PM 01:45:26 GMT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: electrix back ? > > Hello people. > > I was away from the list for too long. I am still in the tedious process of scanning the archives for valuable info (there is a lot)... > > I, like many, I guess am trying to find a repeater... > Just as I was finding one (for a nice 1100 $ incluing shipping to europe) I heard something about Electrix being back early next year! > Anyone has a few info ??? > > > Olivier > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:24:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFMDF17994; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:23:02 -0500 Subject: loops for film/theatre From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've played looping music with live films several times -- my favorite was a performance in a garden in the east village in nyc, where a projectionist projected a 16mm black and white film on me (I was wearing a white shirt, and the projection covered my shirt and face, and spilled out to the environment behind me) while I played. the film was a short film someone filmed in NYC I think maybe in the 1930s or 1940s -- I don't even know its title, but someone basically filmed people (mostly children) in the street. Kids dancing, people leaning out of the windows smoking cigarettes -- it was perfect for looping, and very magical because of the combination of intimacy (lots of closeup face photography) and history. And I'm a big fan of black and white . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:31:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFTpF19943; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:29:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:29:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <605247A0-3D64-11D9-BA11-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: loops for film/theatre Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:28:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <9agYrC.A.qyE.2c1oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds wonderful. On Nov 23, 2004, at 9:23 AM, steve.sandberg wrote: > I've played looping music with live films several times -- > my favorite was a performance in a garden in the east village in nyc, > where > a projectionist projected a 16mm black and white film on me (I was > wearing a > white shirt, and the projection covered my shirt and face, and spilled > out > to the environment behind me) while I played. > the film was a short film someone filmed in NYC I think maybe in the > 1930s > or 1940s -- I don't even know its title, but someone basically filmed > people > (mostly children) in the street. Kids dancing, people leaning out of > the > windows smoking cigarettes -- it was perfect for looping, and very > magical > because of the combination of intimacy (lots of closeup face > photography) > and history. And I'm a big fan of black and white . . . > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFZ3m22504; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:33:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes. This is not intended as a slight on dancers. Or poets. I also did a live soundtrack to a silent movie (Aelita: Queen Of Mars) that featured a lot of looping, in a trio context. It was a tremendous amount of work. TravisH >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:04:30 -0700 >From: "Krispen Hartung" >To: >Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers >I think an interesting, and experimental loop music/dance production >would be play a loop, have a modern dancer come out and dance in sync to >the part and continue to loop that dance part...then you layer another >loop part, and another dancer comes out to dance in sync to that as >well...and so on until a soundscape of loops is created with several >dancers doing their "dance loops"...a union of musical and modern dance >looped choreography. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFd7b24344; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:39:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:39:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Re: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:37:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:37:33 -0600 Message-Id: <20041123153733.BQM1339.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris - Doing what I call "kaleidoscope" music / dance where elements are added and repeated can be appealing, but harder to keep interesting. But your idea is worth trying. The best way to get in contact with dancers is to go to a dance studio and ask questions about performers and choreographers. Pretty soon you'll have a few contacts to pursue. When I've worked with choreographers I've found the process to be at once quite frustrating and full of unexpected happy surprizes. The frustrations I experienced had to do with trying to fulfill someone elses vision of what the function of the music was to be. That is, creating music that had specifically timed functional elements and changed to suit the needs of the dancers rather than to suit the needs of the music. Ultimately, the challenge I couldn't overcome in this situation was as a solo non-midi oriented looper trying to emulate a musical ensemble. I didn't have the musical skill or technical capabilities to do this. Laptop players would have been far more adept in suiting this situation. I got through it, but it was 100% work, and I wouldn't say I was very good. However, I've had far more success when fewer dancers are on stage and when they are skilled enough and interested in improvising. In this enviroment, dancer and musician are able to interact and influence in real-time what the other is doing. The real-time interaction is very powerful. I miss these kinds of performances. The feeling of having done something "real" and being "alive in the moment" was far stronger for me than has happened in "music-only" improvisational performances. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that dance is a visual performance art. David > > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Date: 2004/11/23 Tue PM 03:04:30 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers > > I think an interesting, and experimental loop music/dance production > would be play a loop, have a modern dancer come out and dance in sync to > the part and continue to loop that dance part...then you layer another > loop part, and another dancer comes out to dance in sync to that as > well...and so on until a soundscape of loops is created with several > dancers doing their "dance loops"...a union of musical and modern dance > looped choreography. > > Kris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:25 AM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers > > > On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > Speaking of which, has anyone had the priveledge to perform loop music > > > for a film or theater production? I would really like to do this. > > No. I've only done it for film and theatre as a way to produce a > recorded soundtrack. But I too have been thinking about how great it > would be to play live for film projection or - even better - a theatre > play :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:54:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFqhE27537; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:52:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:52:09 +0100 (CET) From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electrix back ? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Medianet/v2.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iANFqAa27439 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try looking here. http://www.electrixpro.com/ MmMmmm i did, but it is not very informative to me. I could not really understand if the machine was to be back one day or not at all... My dilemna is: should i go for the $1100 one... Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 10:54:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANFrpU27887; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:53:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:53:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <02FA3EC7-3D68-11D9-B526-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:54:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's interesting Travis. I've had exactly the same experience with dancers. I thought it was just me. I always ask if they want me to play something rhythmic, or flowing, or whatever and the usual answer I get is to do whatever I want. Then they seem to do their thing regardless of what I'm playing (sort of independent of it if you ask me). I've played for dance classes and yoga classes with the same results. They seem to like what I do (at least that's what they tell me and I've been asked back) but I thought there would me more of connection there. Sometimes I try to follow them (which works pretty well). [obligatory looping content:] I've never done any looping things for dancers or yoga people however. On Nov 23, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is > that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while > they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some > subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern > dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm > you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes. > > This is not intended as a slight on dancers. Or poets. > > I also did a live soundtrack to a silent movie (Aelita: Queen Of Mars) > that featured a lot of looping, in a trio context. It was a > tremendous amount of work. > > TravisH > > >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:04:30 -0700 > >From: "Krispen Hartung" > >To: > >Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers > > >I think an interesting, and experimental loop music/dance production > >would be play a loop, have a modern dancer come out and dance in sync > to > >the part and continue to loop that dance part...then you layer another > >loop part, and another dancer comes out to dance in sync to that as > >well...and so on until a soundscape of loops is created with several > >dancers doing their "dance loops"...a union of musical and modern > dance > >looped choreography. > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 11:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANGdZE05652; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=I5aIT+QJlBhGSqugIw34zoIEYJLsHMHlZlDF0CkSENFnRlTMfCEyxp3XMs+wp6dyBCD7S+bETKNubYR9jMAdUqbRBhFdhd5nCBc87hCHtfQBfNkBkIAHwhLsYyNv0v1NviCMXHw6Nu/RyfXpPxv/wJbR11O2n/hYQ1Eaa0H+Tvw= ; Message-ID: <20041123163754.16381.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02FA3EC7-3D68-11D9-B526-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done live looping to accompany massage therapy; what worked well were the areas the two have in common, which was an emphasis on the soothing/relaxing qualities, as well as a repetitive pulse. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 11:54:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANGqZk07972; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:52:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:51:32 EST Subject: Re: artists as outsiders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo! In a message dated Monday, 22 Nov 2004, samba wrote: > Two aphorisms I keep to mind are: > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > and > "Just because no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." >=20 Hey! Those quotes are pretty good! Where'd they come from? Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo!

In a message dated Monday, 22 Nov 2004, samba wrote:

Two aphorisms I keep=20= to mind are:
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"
and
"Just because no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

Hey! Those quotes are pretty good! Where'd they come from?

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 11:56:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANGs8M08284; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:54:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c4d17e$d4788850$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <20041123163754.16381.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:06:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you do when they massage your fingers? (Oh, this IS looping...) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers > I've done live looping to accompany massage therapy; > what worked well were the areas the two have in > common, which was an emphasis on the soothing/relaxing > qualities, as well as a repetitive pulse. > > -t- > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 12:38:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANHb9118277; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:37:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:37:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: (OT) Guitar Amp Pro - software guitar rig in Logic (+ looping option) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <07da01c4d183$0e7de870$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iANHZoa18024 Resent-Message-ID: <1F5G2B.A.5ZE.3T3oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tip. Nice tones! And nice work! > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: (OT) Guitar Amp Pro - software guitar rig in Logic > (+ looping option) > > > Hi, > > Since there are quite a few guitarists on this list I thought that > someone might be interested in checking out two short sound > demo files > from the plug-in Guitar Amp Pro that comes with Logic Pro 7. The > excerpts go with a Swedish magazine review. > http://www.fuzz.se/gap/ Just a short note. Apple bundles a lot of pre-sets with Logic Pro 7 but all of them are to be found either in the GAP plug-in or as channel strips on audio tracks. This is a bummer since the best guitar sound with the thing is achieved when opening a plug-in chain directly on an Input object (LogicĻ's software port to the physical input of the sound card). The plug-in chain used at the test was Gain --> Noise Gate --> FuzzWha --> GAP. I found that this amp simulator uses way less CPU power then others I have tested (NI Guitar Rig, Nomad). With L7/GAP and some looping plug-in you may cook up some nice toy on a powerbook ;-) Oh, there is now a very easy midi-learn function in Logic. I simply popped the midi cable into Logic and played the wha-wha from my FCB1010 pedal. And I found out that it's not the same good amp simulator in Logic Express. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 12:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANHkEV20536; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: <007501c4d184$23ee13f0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see your point. I guess we're not talking about Janet Jackson choreographing her moves to one of her songs. Of course, the dance wouldn't require perfect syncing with the music. It's just the idea of parallel dance/music loops that intrigued me....they can complement each other without being in perfect sync rhythmically. Hell, I exhibit looped behavior constantly...each morning, I roboticially get up, make a cup of Chai, and walk down to my home office to start the day. It's like freakin' groundhog day with Bill Murray. That isn't so artistic! :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes. This is not intended as a slight on dancers. Or poets. I also did a live soundtrack to a silent movie (Aelita: Queen Of Mars) that featured a lot of looping, in a trio context. It was a tremendous amount of work. TravisH >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:04:30 -0700 >From: "Krispen Hartung" >To: >Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers >I think an interesting, and experimental loop music/dance production >would be play a loop, have a modern dancer come out and dance in sync to >the part and continue to loop that dance part...then you layer another >loop part, and another dancer comes out to dance in sync to that as >well...and so on until a soundscape of loops is created with several >dancers doing their "dance loops"...a union of musical and modern dance >looped choreography. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 13:25:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANIN5529080; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:22:17 -0700 Message-ID: <007701c4d189$5db08230$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20041123153733.BQM1339.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The heck with this...let's just do the dance ourselves! Wouln't that be a sight....ideas for content at the next looper conference, Rick? I can see it already: Rick, Ted, Bernhard, and others on the stage in their dancing tights and EDPs. Kris -----Original Message----- From: vze2ncsr@verizon.net [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Loops curative/restful powers Kris - Doing what I call "kaleidoscope" music / dance where elements are added and repeated can be appealing, but harder to keep interesting. But your idea is worth trying. The best way to get in contact with dancers is to go to a dance studio and ask questions about performers and choreographers. Pretty soon you'll have a few contacts to pursue. When I've worked with choreographers I've found the process to be at once quite frustrating and full of unexpected happy surprizes. The frustrations I experienced had to do with trying to fulfill someone elses vision of what the function of the music was to be. That is, creating music that had specifically timed functional elements and changed to suit the needs of the dancers rather than to suit the needs of the music. Ultimately, the challenge I couldn't overcome in this situation was as a solo non-midi oriented looper trying to emulate a musical ensemble. I didn't have the musical skill or technical capabilities to do this. Laptop players would have been far more adept in suiting this situation. I got through it, but it was 100% work, and I wouldn't say I was very good. However, I've had far more success when fewer dancers are on stage and when they are skilled enough and interested in improvising. In this enviroment, dancer and musician are able to interact and influence in real-time what the other is doing. The real-time interaction is very powerful. I miss these kinds of performances. The feeling of having done something "real" and being "alive in the moment" was far stronger for me than has happened in "music-only" improvisational performances. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that dance is a visual performance art. David > > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Date: 2004/11/23 Tue PM 03:04:30 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Loops curative/restful powers > > I think an interesting, and experimental loop music/dance production > would be play a loop, have a modern dancer come out and dance in sync > to the part and continue to loop that dance part...then you layer > another loop part, and another dancer comes out to dance in sync to > that as well...and so on until a soundscape of loops is created with > several dancers doing their "dance loops"...a union of musical and > modern dance looped choreography. > > Kris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:25 AM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers > > > On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > Speaking of which, has anyone had the priveledge to perform loop > > music > > > for a film or theater production? I would really like to do this. > > No. I've only done it for film and theatre as a way to produce a > recorded soundtrack. But I too have been thinking about how great it > would be to play live for film projection or - even better - a theatre > play :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 14:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANJDF607207; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mQAfhXx6HSKXUacFho3v3ENJvc9miN4WXUecAwnRa3i9pIZQ9AXhsYu7rYUQiDCfgKV75dtjt9D2hqx228zDmtJlPnp4GqIcUv5q0rpQUTeRHPl7E33OQRYMuu4RlYl+zx//ZqRWrgWQ59f0iEsmYwoZ2Q//6E+ktdi7aFZP+nU= ; Message-ID: <20041123191232.38752.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Unorthodox loopgig venues ( WAS: Loops curative/restful powers ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f201c4d17e$d4788850$0200a8c0@audiows> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I wasn't GETTING the massages, just providing the soundtrack. Talked (& liveloop-demoed) with a metalsmith this morning about doing the same sort of thing for a jewelry-making workshop. I improvised two pieces for her, one a sustainy-volume swell thing with cello-bowed guitar, the other a sort of Steve Reich-ish-sounding loop. She thought either of them would sound great in her studio during the hands-on, non-lecture parts of a workshop. I guess while we as loopers don't always slot into the normal bar gig scene too well, we ARE able to find venues and contexts that yer average rock band wouldn't. Does anyone have any anecdotes to share about unusual/exotic/interesting gigs they've gotten as a result of NOT appealing to the mainstream? -t- --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > What do you do when they massage your fingers? (Oh, > this IS looping...) > > :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers > > > > I've done live looping to accompany massage > therapy; > > what worked well were the areas the two have in > > common, which was an emphasis on the > soothing/relaxing > > qualities, as well as a repetitive pulse. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 14:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANJFFY07499; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4D190.AABEC224" Subject: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:14:34 -0500 Message-ID: <8F0E91728F769F48875E2B278990C6A94A2BCD@had010.hadntdom.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances Thread-Index: AcTRkK7K/49MYDQ6QlqNKCLJnIVpLw== From: "Etan Ofrane" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D190.AABEC224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a singer songwriter and I just recently started looping beat boxing = behind my guitar, and looping my guitar on top of that using the Boss RC = 20. The one problem is that when I'm performing at a venue the only way = to control the levels of the guitar and mike separately is through the = looping station on stage, and the sound guy off stage must treat the = guitar and mike levels as one. This means that I have to control the = levels on stage and often the balance is off. Does anyone know if there = is a way on the Boss RC 20 to hook the guitar and vocals up separately = into a sound system still as part of the looping station, or if there = are other performing loop stations that are easier to use for this = purpose? I hope any of this makes sense. Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving. -Etan=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D190.AABEC224 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station = during performances

I'm a singer songwriter and I just = recently started looping beat boxing behind my guitar, and looping my = guitar on top of that using the Boss RC 20.  The one problem is = that when I'm performing at a venue the only way to control the levels = of the guitar and mike separately is through the looping station on = stage, and the sound guy off stage must treat the guitar and mike levels = as one.  This means that I have to control the levels on stage and = often the balance is off.  Does anyone know if there is a way on = the Boss RC 20 to hook the guitar and vocals up separately into a sound = system still as part of the looping station, or if there are other = performing loop stations that are easier to use for this purpose?  = I hope any of this makes sense.  Thanks.  Happy = Thanksgiving.

-Etan


------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D190.AABEC224-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 14:46:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANJj8T13394; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dGT+6zV8GgvwoKBzCFgP9ENlHXl9Wib8KHoTd2MC3xC+3ivQWIZVluosBur1tbbKYq+tlWisGUUWJBcSmvVIGGAyHvz+3VPt7SVFcEce4E1EnJvWOuasu37yYMbiGGYEapVBXlUqHTpgiDPGEpm4BbJ+CjoAwb16jJfTP/mFTVU= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730411231144bf8a9cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:44:19 -0500 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unorthodox loopgig venues ( WAS: Loops curative/restful powers ) In-Reply-To: <20041123191232.38752.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00f201c4d17e$d4788850$0200a8c0@audiows> <20041123191232.38752.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4aMh0B.A.BMD.VM5oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The strangest gig I have EVER been part of was playing at a local Dungeons & Dragons "gameoff". There were about 30 people, broken into 5 different groups. I played Chapman Stick w/rack effects, DR-770, and my Oberheim Echoplex for an amazing $350. It was as surreal as the music. Clint Allen www.clintallen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 14:48:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANJhg212936; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:41:48 EST Subject: Re: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/23/04 11:15:19 AM, eofrane@youngjudaea.org writes: << the only way to control the levels of the guitar and mike separately is through the looping station on stage, and the sound guy off stage must treat the guitar and mike levels as one. >> Hi If I get your situation, I think I would pass the mic and guitar thru a small preamp mixer like the Eurorack mx602 (cheap!) before the RC20 then you can adjust the input of either signal. The Howie Day rig posted recently might give you some ideas: http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm He uses 2 looping paths, one for voice and one for guitar. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 14:51:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANJlfY14466; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:47:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:47:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LqyoEWqm1lbZvS39YDn6nkPh+iB5Q16PPWsperxcWhIJX6wu4deSUoyKqiYa2CXlU8h+xwtbAINptDvynaluMjSCjs0gbNP70bICOwn/U9dF/mOZAki6oZTnOTzJ0FrqIfiRZ5b27xIZ8WzBXDYaIS5vljR/sJho7DY5iQ98TME= Message-ID: <2fb9e47304112311474ff6ccb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:47:10 -0500 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unorthodox loopgig venues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The strangest gig I have EVER been part of was playing at a local Dungeons & Dragons "gameoff". There were about 30 people, broken into 5 different groups. I played Chapman Stick w/rack effects, DR-770, and my Oberheim Echoplex for an amazing $350. It was as surreal as the music. Clint Allen www.clintallen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 15:19:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANKGoF23486; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <07da01c4d183$0e7de870$6601a8c0@neil> References: <07da01c4d183$0e7de870$6601a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <64B2F9DE-3D8C-11D9-A4C1-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: (OT) Guitar Amp Pro - software guitar rig in Logic (+ looping option) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:15:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7Ox2GC.A._rF.ap5oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 23, 2004, at 18:37, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Thanks for the tip. Nice tones! And nice work! Oops - just a sound-check! "plug n play" music cranked out in a hurry to demo different guitar sounds available by that software amp sim. Did it for a mag review of the amp sim. BTW did I mention that it was recorded with a Stratocaster directly cabled into the sound-card? Remarkable IMO with special address to the heavy "metal" sound. Not a musical style I have ever played or will, and certainly not with single coils ;-D My personal interest in this is that a Powerbook may now be a quite decent live amp - not only for guitar. I've been playing around a little with using a powrebook with Ableton Live as the stage live mixer/patchbay for Echoplex/sax/vocal/guitar. But it all came out a bit too have on the poor G4 processor. Although I have not tested it out fully yet I guess Logic Pro 7 should be able to provide a more cpu-friendly software base. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 15:24:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANKNIT24871; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:23:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:23:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:22:19 +0100 Subject: dancers From: Olivier Malhomme To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0DU5yD.A.PCG.6v5oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is > that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while > they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some > subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern > dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm > you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes Well, my own experience is exactly the same... First time I did work for a dancing troop, I met the same behaviour. I was said "the music is not to convey rythmic information. The dancing bodies should". I was said "the music is not to attract attention over the dancers". I was also said "the music is not to convey the melodic structure. The dancing bodies should". It was a first for me, but boy, did I learn... Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 15:36:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANKYaB29291; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Griesgraber Subject: SD and LA (home again) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:33:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7Jy1wB.A.9CH.R65oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just got home from my two month tour with the California Guitar Trio. I had a fun time meeting some of the LD lurkers while on the road too (a few easily spottable in their LD t-shirts!) Glad to read that Electrix is back as well. My Repeater has seen a lot of traveling not just counting this 37 state, 15,000 miles of driving marathon, and the more it travels the more the knobs get loose and scary. My EDP was at the shop during the tour but is back now. Once I get through the 2 foot high pile of mail that's staring at me I'll be gleefully reintegrating it as well. Since my new album was released nationally by O3E/Spotted Peccary music in Oct, and I'm only now getting home, I'm only now doing a CD release type event. I've gathered together many of the players on it (those who don't require plane tickets) to do a special show in San Diego. The following night will also see a smaller, condensed version of the show in LA: Tom Griesgraber with Bert Lams (of California Guitar Trio), NS/Stick player Don Schiff and Darren DeBree (Agent 22) Th Dec 2, 8pm Dizzy's - 344 7th ave, between J and K San Diego, CA www.dizzyssandiego.com Tom Griesgraber with Bert Lams (of CGT) Fri Dec 3, 8pm-9:15pm Genghis Cohen 740 N Fairfax Los Angeles, CA www.genghiscohen.com Thanks for reading! Tom Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com 760-942-1031 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 15:52:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANKoBl01225; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:50:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2pPOlOR4L2L8bwrQaENjHNqKmq892mDPr9NFvxQkfSp8qJ7iYmdzUA5soTpiRKmVywAh2Dsl+USrw1K86h+Bst24ij8YrLazREgF+dkDE63n4PHf3Lqa+R7aq96GAoLlBX8FzT57StFHZpF5L9ojFMHDHkEDyEA2st3/5JYxAaM= ; Message-ID: <20041123204823.73623.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8IIDMB.A.WN.dI6oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, and for even more control, run your mic into channel 1, your guitar into channel 2, put the RC-20 in the mixer's aux send, and run the output of the looper back into channel 3. Then with the aux send control on each channel strip, you can control how much of the voice or guitar goes to the looper. You'll have a fader for voice, one for guitar and one for the loop, and you'll be sending the house a pre-mixed line out. Just be careful not to turn up channel 3's aux send, or you'll get a feedback loop (or actually, very, very carefully experiment with that feedback loop, they can be fun!) If your mixer has more than one aux send, you can do the same thing with another effect, and even specify how much of one aux goes to the other aux. -t- --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/23/04 11:15:19 AM, > eofrane@youngjudaea.org writes: > > << the only way to control the levels of the guitar > and mike separately is > through the looping station on stage, and the sound > guy off stage must treat the > guitar and mike levels as one. >> > > Hi > > If I get your situation, I think I would pass the > mic and guitar thru a small > preamp mixer like the Eurorack mx602 (cheap!) before > the RC20 then you can > adjust the input of either signal. > > The Howie Day rig posted recently might give you > some ideas: > > http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm > > He uses 2 looping paths, one for voice and one for > guitar. > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 15:57:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANKtlj03749; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=K+F+74LtGKV8s5Z+SNOQGzJ686edOXyqh85j3dLzp3lq5Re3DD8S6B0zWlzLQIda2qRFYgx5KZzebVtodU7870Hyft7kd+8SFhhxUNaAuxT/Lez6gz/CsnUrVAYVdw+4VRPX+Q7IlNbbf6MAgfBKXhKEi3qShLqYJFM//QQs3sc= ; Message-ID: <20041123205504.98285.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: dancers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can understand the dance troupe not wanting to be upstaged by flashy 'look-at-moi' playing, but if they didn't want the music to convey rhythmic information or melodic structure, did they give you any sort of clue as to what they DID want it to consist of? -t- --- Olivier Malhomme wrote: > I was said "the music is not to convey rythmic > information. The dancing > bodies should". > I was said "the music is not to attract attention > over the dancers". > I was also said "the music is not to convey the > melodic structure. The > dancing bodies should". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 16:11:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANL9kq09455; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:09:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: <8F0E91728F769F48875E2B278990C6A94A2BD0@had010.hadntdom.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances Thread-Index: AcTRniKC4tr6ttkgQwm1hdqTslBQTAAAfItA From: "Etan Ofrane" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iANL95a09225 Resent-Message-ID: <0RvXcC.A.cQC.xb6oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will that allow me to send the guitar and vocals as a separate track to the sound board or will I still have to control it from stage? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances Yep, and for even more control, run your mic into channel 1, your guitar into channel 2, put the RC-20 in the mixer's aux send, and run the output of the looper back into channel 3. Then with the aux send control on each channel strip, you can control how much of the voice or guitar goes to the looper. You'll have a fader for voice, one for guitar and one for the loop, and you'll be sending the house a pre-mixed line out. Just be careful not to turn up channel 3's aux send, or you'll get a feedback loop (or actually, very, very carefully experiment with that feedback loop, they can be fun!) If your mixer has more than one aux send, you can do the same thing with another effect, and even specify how much of one aux goes to the other aux. -t- --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/23/04 11:15:19 AM, > eofrane@youngjudaea.org writes: > > << the only way to control the levels of the guitar > and mike separately is > through the looping station on stage, and the sound > guy off stage must treat the > guitar and mike levels as one. >> > > Hi > > If I get your situation, I think I would pass the > mic and guitar thru a small > preamp mixer like the Eurorack mx602 (cheap!) before > the RC20 then you can > adjust the input of either signal. > > The Howie Day rig posted recently might give you > some ideas: > > http://www.hdaee.f2s.com/v2/rig.htm > > He uses 2 looping paths, one for voice and one for > guitar. > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 16:23:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANLM1u13579; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:20:48 +0000 Message-Id: <112320042120.5990.41A3A9B00009C5D70000176622007507840301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 11 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm.... first off, I think that's not fair to modern dancers to lump them all in a group and judge them en masse. The same thing could be said that "loop based musician's can't perform in real-time with a whole band and work with tempo changes". Sure, some of us can't, or won't, but we CAN, and DO, if we are engaged, talented, and willing. That being said, dancers are often very accustomed to working with canned music. They know the piece, have rehearsed to it, and the performance is really just a culmination of the long hours of work they've endured. And dance is very much 'live theatre'. Anything can go wrong, and with amateur and semi-professional groups, it often does. (professional touring groups, too! i've seen enough modern dance over the last 12 years to see the mistakes now...just saw a few flub ups at Ballet Preljocaj a couple of weeks ago...dancing to canned music by 'hipsters of the moment' AIR. Preljocaj is a top-knotch pro group...just goes to show you no one is perfect...live theatre, remember.) mistakes and miscues can lead to much more disastrous results than music. Sure, flub a note...did anyone notice? Miss a complex lift and someone is often heading to the floor, head first. My experience this year was interesting. The piece was a 1/2 hour long, and the dance was choreographed TO THE MUSIC. The music came first...it was a meditative/drone/loop based composition that I performed at Y2K2. We prepared 'backing tracks' that were basic drones, because logistics did not allow for the musicians to perform with the dance company at all times during the year plus that the project was choreographed and set on the company. We came in during the later rehearsals leading up to the performance. Yes, a lot of the music was ambient and non-rhytmic, but there were rhythmic parts, and musical cues, etc. What I found most fascinating was the reaction of the dancers during those later rehearsals and the performance. They 'knew' the backdrop...the tonal center that we were going to work modally off of during the performance. What they didn't really know was what we were going to do on top of the backing tracks, since that was essentially improvised. They loved it. They suddenly FELT the interaction. They knew we were giving them cues, but watching them at the same time and working off of them, too. We could all feel the energy going back and forth between the music and movement. Since the whole intention of the piece was a 'moving meditation' or 'prayer' per se, based on the 10 stations of the mystical kaballah, it was great to be involved and see it come to fruition. Now, one of the musicians, who eventually couldn't perform, was always pushing the boundaries of "the dancers should be able to follow us more" and "this was originally a fully improvised piece...now it's getting more 'composed'...I don't like that", etc., etc. So, the sentiments that "the music should not detract from the dancers" was there, and it rubbed him the wrong way. Fine. But when people are paying 20 bucks to see a semi-professional troupe do DANCE, they came to see dance. In any sort of theatre, it all has to work together....so you play 'your part'. It started out as a music composition, but it ended up being a collaboration and supportive mechanism for movement. Hell, we sold out the theatre. That's more than I could say if I was promoting a 'looping trio with dancers'. "Oh, the dancers are SPOT ON with the music though! They really know how to behave!" :) my 2 cents too many, rich > > I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is > > that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while > > they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some > > subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern > > dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm > > you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes > > > Well, my own experience is exactly the same... > First time I did work for a dancing troop, I met the same behaviour. > > I was said "the music is not to convey rythmic information. The dancing > bodies should". > I was said "the music is not to attract attention over the dancers". > I was also said "the music is not to convey the melodic structure. The > dancing bodies should". > > It was a first for me, but boy, did I learn... > > Olivier > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 16:38:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANLaWH17437; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:36:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:36:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8F0E91728F769F48875E2B278990C6A94A2BD0@had010.hadntdom.org> References: <8F0E91728F769F48875E2B278990C6A94A2BD0@had010.hadntdom.org> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:30:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping station during performances Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:08 PM -0500 11/23/04, Etan Ofrane wrote: >Will that allow me to send the guitar and vocals as a separate track >to the sound board or will I still have to control it from stage? First, it's not a "track," it's a "channel." The best thing you can do at this point is to learn how audio systems and mixers work. (Maybe someone can recommend a good book for beginners?) What you need to do in order for the house sound engineer to control the individual levels of your mic and guitar is to send him two signals, one for the mic and one for the guitar. This is probably best done by using a mixer (as described by Tim Nelson). The mixer must have stereo (2-channel) outputs and you will need to assign the mic to one channel (e.g. "left") and the guitar to the other channel (e.g. "right"). You can do this with the channel pan controls. Note that you will not be sending a "stereo" mix to the house console; you will be sending a "2-channel" mix with completely different material on each channel. This is not the only way to do this, however. You can also split the mic signal and the guitar signal before they are mixed together in your mixer. This would actually allow you to send three separate signals (mic, guitar, loop) so that the house engineer could balance all three. You could do the splits with "Y" adaptors or you could use a mixer with direct outs, and you'd probably need three direct boxes in order to send a clean, balanced signal up the mic snake. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:48 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Having Problems with controlling the levels of my looping >station during performances > > >Yep, and for even more control, run your mic into >channel 1, your guitar into channel 2, put the RC-20 >in the mixer's aux send, and run the output of the >looper back into channel 3. Then with the aux send >control on each channel strip, you can control how >much of the voice or guitar goes to the looper. You'll >have a fader for voice, one for guitar and one for the >loop, and you'll be sending the house a pre-mixed line >out. Just be careful not to turn up channel 3's aux >send, or you'll get a feedback loop (or actually, >very, very carefully experiment with that feedback >loop, they can be fun!) If your mixer has more than >one aux send, you can do the same thing with another >effect, and even specify how much of one aux goes to >the other aux. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 16:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANLsFG19876; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:54:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:54:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.246.105] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:52:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2004 21:53:05.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF9DD420:01C4D1A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I worked as an accompaniest for dancers for 20 years. One approach is to get the rhythmic information from the dancers so that one is sort of underlining or shading what they're doing rather than providing a rigid grid ,different than the way drums and bass lay down groove in band situations .It's possible to get a really interesting feedback loop this way. It would be more difficult with looping,you'd have to ride the tap tempo constantly ,but it could be done. Another way is to do texture instead of groove ,and to sort of do dynamic counterpoint,contrasting the empty spaces to make them stand ou more,sort of, draping or framing the stage with audio texture . I must say that it's also entirely possible that you're giving someone the impression that you're going to take the spotlight and they're trying to put you in your place. I've often thought dancer's have the most fragile egos of all artists-but then I think of working backstage with a particular English rockstar guitarist who was the bitchiest person I ever encountered- then there were this actor in LA...... Unfortunatley many dancers and many musicians haven't actually experienced what happens when you really get entrainment between dancers and players. a kind of dynamic dialogue that's a really incredible thing,whole cultures have been based on it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 17:09:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANM5Za24904; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:05:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:05:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:04:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTRp1dx2MqZ0Cc4SIGIox8kPBskhgAACurg Message-Id: <20041123220446.TAG9263.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my recent gigs was at an Irish bar that featured step dancers, with the band providing accompaniment. That is a great time! But the bar is noisy and crowded--and for that matter, the dancers were loud, being amplified as well (oy!), so I passed up the opportunity to have a steady gig. Those dancers definitely paid attention to the rhythm, and possibly the melody as well. No loops tho . . . Down in the Gaslamp area of San Diego, where Tom Griesgraber will be playing in a couple of weeks (different club--his venue is in the shadow of the new baseball stadium "Petco Park". Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 17:15:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANMB9526278; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:11:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:11:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Comment: AT&T Maillennium special handling code - c Message-ID: <41A3B379.5020803@biink.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:02:33 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Beardsley , ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , Ohmbient list , "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , extremeNY@googlegroups.com Subject: NYG gig: Slow music with slow motion, 11/27/2004 @ DMG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saturday, November 27, 2004 7 p.m., free Davie Beardsley, Microtonal guitar ambient drones with Claire Elizabeth Barratt - director of "Cilla_Vee Movement Projects". Downtown Music Gallery 342 Bowery [between E. 2nd & E. 3rd Streets] New York, NY 10012-2408 Phone: (212) 473-0043 - Toll Free: (800) 622-1387 http://biink.com/db http://www.hhproduction.org/claire.cilla_vee%20m.project.html photos: http://biink.com/db/photos5.htm http://biink.com/db/photos6.htm -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 17:32:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANMRiO30227; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c4d1ac$5beaa160$4190a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:32:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.144.65] at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:27:12 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good dance that decides to employ music uses the music to support the dance. If it does not, the dance is flawed. I've worked with good dancers who professionally make six figures, and then with hobbiests who just love to dance as a release. The difference is quite astounding, as one would expect. The good dancers know a lot about music and they definitely know how to involve the music. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier Malhomme" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: dancers > > I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is > > that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while > > they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some > > subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern > > dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm > > you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes > > > Well, my own experience is exactly the same... > First time I did work for a dancing troop, I met the same behaviour. > > I was said "the music is not to convey rythmic information. The dancing > bodies should". > I was said "the music is not to attract attention over the dancers". > I was also said "the music is not to convey the melodic structure. The > dancing bodies should". > > It was a first for me, but boy, did I learn... > > Olivier > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 17:37:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANMYso32102; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c4d1ad$59ffcbe0$4190a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <112320042120.5990.41A3A9B00009C5D70000176622007507840301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Subject: Re: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:39:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.144.65] at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:34:19 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: dancers Rich said: "What I found most fascinating was the reaction of the dancers during those later rehearsals and the performance. They 'knew' the backdrop...the tonal center that we were going to work modally off of during the performance. What they didn't really know was what we were going to do on top of the backing tracks, since that was essentially improvised." "They loved it. They suddenly FELT the interaction. They knew we were giving them cues, but watching them at the same time and working off of them, too. We could all feel the energy going back and forth between the music and movement." Rich, you've so nicely described the magical and rewarding feeling of working closely and being connected with good performers. Having a few of these performances every year can sustain a person all the hassles and problems of trying to perform live, anywhere. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 18:24:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANNMg709897; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:22:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:22:55 +0100 Subject: dancers From: Olivier Malhomme To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I can understand the dance troupe not wanting to be upstaged by flashy 'look-at-moi' playing, but if they didn't want the music to convey rhythmic information or melodic structure, did they give you any sort of clue as to what they DID want it to consist of?" Mmmm that wasn't so simple. The music was not improvised (playback during the dancing). What the leader of the troupe knew was what she did not like... when she heard it, if you catch me. I was back to the "drawing board" twice a week. hard times, huge experience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 18:43:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANNg9J14155; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:38:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Olivier Malhomme wrote: > "I can understand the dance troupe not wanting to be > upstaged by flashy 'look-at-moi' playing, but if they > didn't want the music to convey rhythmic information > or melodic structure, did they give you any sort of > clue as to what they DID want it to consist of?" > > Mmmm that wasn't so simple. > The music was not improvised (playback during the dancing). > What the leader of the troupe knew was what she did not like... when > she > heard it, if you catch me. > I was back to the "drawing board" twice a week. > > hard times, huge experience. > > Wow, just caught this one. I worked with dancers in a class at California Institute of the Arts. Composers and choreographers paired off and worked. The class was a real pain in the ass because Mort Sobotink, who taught it along with someone from the dance department (can't remember name) seemed to battle each other over dominance. The parings were good and twice I got paired with an Asian dancer dealing with Asian girl angst and I can do that for some reason. We cooked some music up together through improvising in the studio and they ordered various levels of activity and spoke about it to me where I would go into the studio and compose multitrack. Somehow it all worked both times. A third time was some structured improvisation that flew sometimes. We had to force the class teachers to let us just stinking improvise. We'd just ask nice and then they'd leave and argue somewhere else. I preferred working with dancers over other multimedia. I still do. Love to watch the bodies move with music. It's so natural. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 18:58:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iANNucU17885; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:55:51 -0500 From: CHRISROVER@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixing setups for looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <250432EB.206AAD30.09F1FEB7@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 217.228.76.165 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been experimenting with a switchable patch bay (ProCo) to reroute the output from Looper A to B and vice versa (without repatching) for some interesting performance options. Feedback loops pose a problem though since they also alter the basic sound (unwanted phase shifting). A mixer with several sends would seem to solve a lot of issues related to looping more than one source or looping with one or more devices. Routing and keeping your basic noiselevel to a minimum are definitively calling for some creative solutions. The only Rackmixer around (that I'm aware) of is an older Roland. However it is quite noisy and not in production anymore. Does anyone know of a small (possibly rackmount) mixer with at least 4 sends or any other creative solution to using several sound sources and looping devices with multiple routing options (such as A to B and B to A without phaseshift or repatching) ? Best regards Christian Rover chrisrover@aol.com www.christianrover.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 19:16:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO0FiF25717; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:15:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dancers Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:13:58 +0000 Message-Id: <112420040013.22251.41A3D24600012D49000056EB22058861720301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 11 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've worked with good dancers who > professionally make six figures, and then with hobbiests who just love to > dance as a release. umm....seriously? you know dancers that make 6 figures? We're talking modern dance here...not a professional...you know....'exotic dancer'? wow. most dancers are paupers. 6 figures is a tough one to wrap my brain around. how many people do you know that make this kind of cash dancing? Where? In New York? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 19:29:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO0RA228534; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c4d1bc$f9c7e360$4190a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <112420040013.22251.41A3D24600012D49000056EB22058861720301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Subject: Re: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:31:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.144.65] at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:26:17 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hamburg Ballet. Not all of the company of course. But a few. As I mentioned in a previous post, European municipalities support arts in a different way than in the USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: dancers > >I've worked with good dancers who > > professionally make six figures, and then with hobbiests who just love to > > dance as a release. > > umm....seriously? you know dancers that make 6 figures? We're talking modern dance here...not a professional...you know....'exotic dancer'? > > wow. most dancers are paupers. 6 figures is a tough one to wrap my brain around. how many people do you know that make this kind of cash dancing? Where? In New York? > > best, > rich > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 20:11:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO1ATl04174; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:10:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:10:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <250432EB.206AAD30.09F1FEB7@aol.com> References: <250432EB.206AAD30.09F1FEB7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:01:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mixing setups for looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:55 PM -0500 11/23/04, CHRISROVER@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know of a small (possibly rackmount) mixer with at least >4 sends or any other creative solution to using several sound >sources and looping devices with multiple routing options (such as A >to B and B to A without phaseshift or repatching) ? "Rackmount" is a somewhat fuzzy concept, in that a lot of table top mixers can be rack mounted (e.g. the Mackie 1604 and its descendents). I generally tend to think of a "rack mount mixer" as something with rotary pots in a one- or two-unit form factor, and I've never seen one of those with more than two aux sends (I'd love to be proven wrong about the existence of such). My inclination is to go for a Mackie, Behringer, or suchlike mixer in a table top (but rack mountable) format. Most of those I've seen with 12 inputs are limited to two aux sends. Most of those with 16+ inputs have 4 to 6 aux sends. Those generally have pre/post capability (in some cases individually assignable). The Mackie Onyx 1620 is good in this respect. Not the cheapest or smallest mixer, but of good quality with flexible routing. The Onyx 1640 has 6 auxes, but is much larger and pricier. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 20:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO1W0808101; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:32:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:32:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <18982250.1101259874816.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dancers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <2Vo7iB.A.D9B.kR-oBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hence the "in my experience..." preface to my comments. I'd attend rehearsals, and more than half the time no music was used while they were working up the pieces. There's nothing wrong with this, it's just a different way of working. But, if as a musician you're expecting there to be sync between you and the dancers, then you'd be disappointed. For the live music I provided, they'd usually indicate a piece of one of my improvised CDs and say "Something in that vein..." Sometimes I'd get instructions for "build as we got to this point" but nothing more explicit. These were not Bob Fosse pieces. I'd put together CD-R's with the program music for these groups also, and I'd see multiple performances, and there was no great effort expended to match the running lengths of the pieces many times. If the dancers "finished" ten or twenty seconds before the music, they made do, or the soundman would be instructed to quickly fade down the music. >first off, I think that's not fair to modern dancers to lump them all in a group and judge them en masse. The same thing could be >said that "loop based musician's can't perform in real-time with a whole band and work with tempo changes". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 20:35:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO1Xos08589; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:33:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.207.243] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mixing setups for looping Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:32:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 01:33:00.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[88C71F10:01C4D1C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of the Bherringer mixers have nice options for multiple sends.They don't seem to be very well made though,Guess that's why they're cheap. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 20:59:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO1wfv13272; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:58:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:58:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr5 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:57:16 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: dancers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am doing performance with contemporary/Avant garde dancers from over 10 years before. I think musicians says we know what the dancer want to do with musicians. also dancers says we know what the musician want to do with dancers. but they have different "ear" and "language". the focus is different. then musician thought dancer never listen music. I think. but I think they listen the music for other focus of musician.. and other things,I think almost dancer's backborn is classical ballet, and almost musician's backborn is rock music. it are different culture. The origins with which it is into them differ. it are different "ear" and "language". My location is Japan,possibly it may be a thing only in Japan... or not..? Sunao At 9:22 PM +0100 04.11.23, Olivier Malhomme wrote: > > I've done a lot of live looping with dancers, and my experience is >> that they don't really *listen* to the music, it just happens while >> they do their thing. Really. Maybe they're responding to it on some >> subconscious level. I've gotten the impression that asking a modern >> dancer to synchronize to music is received with the same enthusiasm >> you'd encounter when asking a poet to write something that rhymes > > >Well, my own experience is exactly the same... >First time I did work for a dancing troop, I met the same behaviour. > >I was said "the music is not to convey rythmic information. The dancing >bodies should". >I was said "the music is not to attract attention over the dancers". >I was also said "the music is not to convey the melodic structure. The >dancing bodies should". > >It was a first for me, but boy, did I learn... > >Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 21:40:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO2dKp26142; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A3F443.30207@biink.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:38:59 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dancers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been working with dancers for almost a year, just two gigs really + this one on Sat. Dancing is the last thing I'd expect people to do to my music, but I've been working with people who do "motion sculpture" and it works fine. I think we really complement each other's work. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 23:08:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO47LK16125; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:07:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c4d1da$ff188810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Unorthodox loopgig venues Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:06:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C4D197.F0C33B90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C4D197.F0C33B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clint wrote: "The strangest gig I have EVER been part of was playing at a local Dungeons & Dragons "gameoff"." The wierdest live looping gig I've ever had was in a duo with my = brother, Bill. We were hired to play for the top 100 insurance = salespeople in the United States (all people in the millions to hundreds = of millions of dollar range in sales) at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. We got in early and they had been sealing the floor with some kind of = horrid polyurethane substance and=20 it was completely toxic smelling. First they had us set up by the door. We got completely set up when a = person came in and said, "Oh no, you are in the wrong place, you have = to move immediately." Arrrrgggggghhhhh! I hate this kind of shit. Anyway we moved over and just as we were set, the main 'man' came in = and said, "no back by the door is where you are supposed to be". = Damn good thing they were paying us corporate party rates because this = had me seething (and really stressed out). Soooooooooooooo, the gig was these insurance salespeople came in the = door after disembarking from a bus; walked past us (25 feet) and = walked up the stairs to have dinner (where there was another band set up = to play). The whole gig lasted for approximately 8 minutes!!!!!. = We were, literally,=20 the sonic wallpaper for 25 feet of their existence. 'Thank you. you can go now'. Strange! another wierd one we do every year is Bill and I have twice played for a benefit at Bloomingdale's in the=20 ritzy part of Palo Alto. It is done on a day where wealthy matrons = shop there brains out and part of the proceeds go to charity. Bill and I set up in one of the clothing sections and loop our brains = out for about 2 or 3 hours. The pay is extremely good. The last time we did this, they put us next to the escalator so we would = be the first thing that people saw as they came up to the floor we were = on. =20 It's cool, actually. Most people just walk on by and I can tell we are = this bizarre random occurence to them, but usually some woman with her = young child will just be fascinated by it and stay and listen and take = our business cards. LOL, they never hire us to play their expensive = dinner engagements, but that's okay. The eye candy at these gigs = can be exceptional, especially some of the sales clerks that they = hire..............oh my goodness! ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C4D197.F0C33B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clint wrote:
"The strangest = gig I have=20 EVER been part of was playing at a local
Dungeons & Dragons=20 "gameoff"."
 
 
 
 
The wierdest live looping = gig I've ever had was=20 in a duo with my brother, Bill.    We were hired to=20 play for the top 100 insurance salespeople in the United States=20 (all people in the millions to hundreds of = millions of=20 dollar range in sales) at the Monterey Bay Aquarium.
 
We got in early and they had been sealing the = floor with=20 some kind of horrid polyurethane substance and
it was completely toxic smelling.
 
First they had us set up by the door.  We = got=20 completely set up when a person came in and said,  "Oh no, you = are in=20 the wrong place, you have to move immediately."    =20 Arrrrgggggghhhhh!  I hate this kind of shit.
Anyway we moved over and just as we were = set,  the=20 main 'man' came in and said,  "no back by the door is where you are = supposed to be".    Damn good thing they were paying us = corporate=20 party rates because this had me seething (and really stressed = out).
 
Soooooooooooooo,  the gig was these = insurance=20 salespeople came in the door after disembarking from a bus;  walked = past=20 us  (25 feet) and walked up the stairs to have dinner (where there = was=20 another band set up to play).      The whole = gig lasted=20 for approximately 8 minutes!!!!!.   We were, literally, =
the sonic wallpaper for 25 feet of their=20 existence.
 
'Thank you.  you can go now'.
 
Strange!
 
another wierd one we do every year = is
 
Bill and I have twice played for a benefit at=20 Bloomingdale's in the
ritzy part of Palo = Alto.      It=20 is done on a day where wealthy matrons shop there brains = out
and part of the proceeds go to = charity.
 
Bill and I set up in one of the clothing = sections and loop=20 our brains out for about 2 or 3 hours.
The pay is extremely good.
 
The last time we did this, they put us next to = the=20 escalator so we would be the first thing that people saw as they came up = to the=20 floor we were on.   
 
It's cool, actually.  Most people just walk = on by and=20 I can tell we are this bizarre random occurence to them, but usually = some woman=20 with her young child will just be fascinated by it and stay and listen = and take=20 our business cards.     LOL,  they never hire = us to=20 play their expensive dinner engagements,  but that's=20 okay.      The eye candy at these gigs can be=20 exceptional,   especially some of the sales clerks that they=20 hire..............oh my goodness!
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C4D197.F0C33B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 23:36:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO4ZWA23277; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: artists as outsiders In-Reply-To: <5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <5b.5d76cde1.2ed4c494@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Yo! > > In a message dated Monday, 22 Nov 2004, samba wrote: > > > Two aphorisms I keep to mind are: > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > and > > "Just because no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > > > Hey! Those quotes are pretty good! Where'd they come from? > > Best regards, > > tEd Ū kiLLiAn Hey, Ted: I posted them, and I have no idea where either quote came from. I wish I did, but a quick Internet search turned up no attributions. Glad you liked them. regards, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 23 23:59:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO4wjI28129; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:58:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:58:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <89468766-3DD5-11D9-AA02-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Grossman Ben From: Ben Grossman Subject: date change (!) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:58:52 -0500 To: Grossman Ben X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello again, Now I'm sorry to bug you, but it seems that due to some sort of retrograde planetary moonwalking there was a mixup at Grand Festival HQ. I will be performing with guitarist Tim Postgate on FRIDAY the 26th Novermber, NOT Thursday as previously announced. Sorry for the mix-up. I do hope that you can make it!! Best regards, ben Rob Clutton and Tim Posgate present the fifth annual: Grand Festival of Autumnal Happiness New Work Studio, 319 spadina Nov 24-27, 9pm www.grandfestival.blogspot.com November 26 tim posgate/ben grossman atm+guy (??) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 00:08:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO57Ex31298; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=H5VWANhhZ5SaZ4wBrxr/rupRcCg+k/BwOAjZQ6nxqu00MtzMqsio2XvARu3PvGwxKbDGrjE2hJG4mkElKnGAd3IhK0+0zPf+0OPNdYJDQ8Js0Dd7S2p0LVGWb+BXDwvk+GftHTg0p42/iAP+OVWu9AZJcaXwCd2nU+PEnEug5Uo= ; Message-ID: <20041124050601.25944.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: SD and LA (home again) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom, ill be in San Diego during the month of december and the first week of january,are you playing within this time anywhere near? cheers Luis --- Tom Griesgraber wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got home from my two month tour with the > California Guitar Trio. > I had a fun time meeting some of the LD lurkers > while on the road too > (a few easily spottable in their LD t-shirts!) > > Glad to read that Electrix is back as well. My > Repeater has seen a lot > of traveling not just counting this 37 state, 15,000 > miles of driving > marathon, and the more it travels the more the knobs > get loose and > scary. My EDP was at the shop during the tour but > is back now. Once I > get through the 2 foot high pile of mail that's > staring at me I'll be > gleefully reintegrating it as well. > > Since my new album was released nationally by > O3E/Spotted Peccary music > in Oct, and I'm only now getting home, I'm only now > doing a CD release > type event. I've gathered together many of the > players on it (those > who don't require plane tickets) to do a special > show in San Diego. > The following night will also see a smaller, > condensed version of the > show in LA: > > Tom Griesgraber with Bert Lams (of California Guitar > Trio), NS/Stick > player Don Schiff and Darren DeBree (Agent 22) > Th Dec 2, 8pm > Dizzy's - 344 7th ave, between J and K > San Diego, CA > www.dizzyssandiego.com > > Tom Griesgraber with Bert Lams (of CGT) > Fri Dec 3, 8pm-9:15pm > Genghis Cohen > 740 N Fairfax > Los Angeles, CA > www.genghiscohen.com > > Thanks for reading! > Tom > > > Tom Griesgraber > www.thossounds.com > 760-942-1031 > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 00:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO5DOS00488; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:13:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vO/QbrIHP4Gcz1wrHvhca4OtmUdTEx6ShF0tig1kLsQrT2RzX2INrSkSY1o5YeqFGw+S3eTOkUVqf478+ZeGf+VMkjpS8Tb8RETn6tmRW8P8zVGvu2PTUiBe0EXjEQbzj72DjANKu/zrjnrd5cRWJkWVT6zJmK7oW5Zc1cmrz2U= ; Message-ID: <20041124051256.90320.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Unorthodox loopgig venues ( WAS: Loops curative/restful powers ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041123191232.38752.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try playing in a german swing club with a porno being shown while you play,didnīt have much looping going but that was a gas! Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Oh, I wasn't GETTING the massages, just providing > the > soundtrack. > > Talked (& liveloop-demoed) with a metalsmith this > morning about doing the same sort of thing for a > jewelry-making workshop. I improvised two pieces for > her, one a sustainy-volume swell thing with > cello-bowed guitar, the other a sort of Steve > Reich-ish-sounding loop. She thought either of them > would sound great in her studio during the hands-on, > non-lecture parts of a workshop. > > I guess while we as loopers don't always slot into > the > normal bar gig scene too well, we ARE able to find > venues and contexts that yer average rock band > wouldn't. > > Does anyone have any anecdotes to share about > unusual/exotic/interesting gigs they've gotten as a > result of NOT appealing to the mainstream? > > -t- > > --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > > > What do you do when they massage your fingers? > (Oh, > > this IS looping...) > > > > :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:37 AM > > Subject: Re: Loops curative/restful powers > > > > > > > I've done live looping to accompany massage > > therapy; > > > what worked well were the areas the two have in > > > common, which was an emphasis on the > > soothing/relaxing > > > qualities, as well as a repetitive pulse. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 00:18:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAO5Huj01544; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:17:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:17:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: dancers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:16:12 -0800 Message-ID: <001401c4d1e4$b76e62f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <18982250.1101259874816.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9W7rS.A.QX.plBpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Travis, I didn't mean to upset. I'm a bit biased towards the dance end of this equation, I guess, as my wife is a long time choreographer of elegant, complex, and physically demanding modern dance. (Someone who counts LaLaLa and Sankai Juku as major influences...if you're familiar with these groups...you know 'that shit is hard'. Like a musician using someone like Beethoven or Miles as their benchmark) Anywho... in my opinion, if you want to have the benefit and enjoyment of the collaboration with modern dance, we, as musicians, are going to need to bend a bit more, rather than the other way around. Especially in regards to improv. Improv is often used as an idea generating device for dance. To try to do it "real-time" can be a number of things, especially with inexperienced or less-than-stellar dancers. It can be dangerous. It can be unfruitful. It can be REALLY BAD. I've seen it be all of these things. I'm not denying anybody's personal experiences, and I'm sorry if that came across in regards to you. It's just one thing for musicians to throw frequencies at each other, and another for a choreographer to be throwing flesh and bone at each other. I think we need to be understanding of that. As for the 'no great effort expended to match the running lengths' thing...well...that may have been something disrespectful towards you on the part of the people you worked with. On the other hand, again, I think we need to bend a bit there. It's quite presumptious to think that dancers are going to essentially move to a 'click track' of timing accuracy. Modern dance breathes...it slows down, speeds up. Dynamics are an essential part of the medium. Thus, sometimes pieces go too long, or too short. I've seen dancers eliminate whole phrases of a piece if they've gone over, just so they hit their exit and light cues right. Just as easily, the choreographer could be steaming at the side of the stage... "how come you eliminated my last lift?!?" Plus, there is a boatload of logistics to be taken into account as a dancer on stage. Don't miss that cue, point your feet, be sure you lift her about 4 inches from her knee or she'll fall over kind of stuff. Ever wonder why they don't allow flash photography at dance concerts? Imagine being blinded while someone is heading at you at a full run and you're expected to 'catch' them...and make it look good while you're at it. Funny you mention Bob Fosse. Because if we want lock-tempo rhythmic accuracy between music and dance...heck, that's all the rage. Jazz Dance + stripper/bellydance + plus hip hop popping and locking = Britney et al. Just add a twist of Antares Auto-Tune and you're all set! Anyway, time for me to shut up... With respect, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dancers Hence the "in my experience..." preface to my comments. I'd attend rehearsals, and more than half the time no music was used while they were working up the pieces. There's nothing wrong with this, it's just a different way of working. But, if as a musician you're expecting there to be sync between you and the dancers, then you'd be disappointed. For the live music I provided, they'd usually indicate a piece of one of my improvised CDs and say "Something in that vein..." Sometimes I'd get instructions for "build as we got to this point" but nothing more explicit. These were not Bob Fosse pieces. I'd put together CD-R's with the program music for these groups also, and I'd see multiple performances, and there was no great effort expended to match the running lengths of the pieces many times. If the dancers "finished" ten or twenty seconds before the music, they made do, or the soundman would be instructed to quickly fade down the music. >first off, I think that's not fair to modern dancers to lump them all in a group and judge them en masse. The same thing could be >said that "loop based musician's can't perform in real-time with a whole band and work with tempo changes". __________ NOD32 1.931 (20041123) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 05:14:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOADVA24823; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:13:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:13:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TfGZo5ncsbUomga+dH+A/xN9BSpHdFMdTrZ7b0PdCEaVsQarJiiddVeNXz76HhVN4RKKZQeWGsK4GJnRxMNw5tml0A0C/GfhBucMUUPWLouuAonthSePQETzATRvElJ29ioNQwuSBb3QmxsFzIWG1pLZnI7jNA0TITMcSVfgcBY= ; Message-ID: <20041124101159.74982.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Unorthodox loopgig venues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005501c4d1da$ff188810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "loop.pool" wrote: >...at the Monterey Bay Aquarium.... Oh, man, I love that place. (Lived up the hill from it in '85-'86). I think I'd pay THEM to let me set up and loop near the Kelp Forest tank for a while... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 06:11:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOBAuY01594; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:09:13 -0500 From: "gmajloopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Costing to much for you Pres.cription Drugs??? 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By far the coolest rackmount linemixer I've ever come across is the Speck xtramix http://www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml it's got like 76 inputs, 8busses and a switchable matrix of 8 sends, a bit hard to explain. and it's only four units high. Anyway, it's very high on my wishlist - you know, for when I become a millionaire! it's 3,850$ if you buy direct... :( Andreas CHRISROVER@aol.com wrote: > I've been experimenting with a switchable patch bay (ProCo) to reroute the output from Looper A to B and vice versa (without repatching) for some interesting performance options. Feedback loops pose a problem though since they also alter the basic sound (unwanted phase shifting). > > A mixer with several sends would seem to solve a lot of issues related to looping more than one source or looping with one or more devices. Routing and keeping your basic noiselevel to a minimum are definitively calling for some creative solutions. The only Rackmixer around (that I'm aware) of is an older Roland. However it is quite noisy and not in production anymore. > > Does anyone know of a small (possibly rackmount) mixer with at least 4 sends or any other creative solution to using several sound sources and looping devices with multiple routing options (such as A to B and B to A without phaseshift or repatching) ? > > Best regards > > Christian Rover From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 14:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOJSUe23048; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:28:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:28:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N4STYF9HajjTMmPsID5u4/ScwjOotrXIvhaYoL88NY0OOZmCkHxjnsqy9c429qGZUTTuCjXgwNOX2VYQ2fZSKMp328DHMQ3OvLlrGT2O4kwPJaMD59PeJ5SxRCeiPvUWRE9Gwk96CqnYDmH6xIWQ6VuJR0X3SXomjNJPWC9kvG0= ; Message-ID: <20041124192803.87257.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Myrios Subject: sampling instruments without a click To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just got my sp505 and it's very cool. i have a question about sampling: what's a good, easy technique to sample riffs using live guitar, bass, vocals etc. to get the timing right. for example, i can write a drum pattern that sounds cool with a guitar riff, and set it to the appropriate bpm, but when it comes time to sample my guitar playing there doesn't seem to be a way to hear the drum pattern or even a click track while recording a sample. the only ways i can think of handling this are to either use a seperate drum machine as a metronome and have that running through seperate speakers or headphones (what a hassle!) or to sample a seperate drum machine click track or something at the correct bpm then resample that adding the guitar, bass, vocal or whatever... other samples i've used have a click/metronome for sampling... thanks, myrios __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zrNBmWrfC9KdTVo5Z+KWBYAtJEo6uVgUf1EUlQUfKOtSot8DmajNbTYJGCRrgokJ9hXSolT3APu7mI/1MIbd+AjD/BW7izx3cbVPOdlMRnPQvhrK5NOFmMJcEfPDm/MDxMxPFeIlua5jvgcQc5is4c9jCH8ntLYtqjCumx3CtWg= ; Message-ID: <20041124192811.75130.qmail@web54206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Myrios Subject: sampling instruments without a click To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just got my sp505 and it's very cool. i have a question about sampling: what's a good, easy technique to sample riffs using live guitar, bass, vocals etc. to get the timing right. for example, i can write a drum pattern that sounds cool with a guitar riff, and set it to the appropriate bpm, but when it comes time to sample my guitar playing there doesn't seem to be a way to hear the drum pattern or even a click track while recording a sample. the only ways i can think of handling this are to either use a seperate drum machine as a metronome and have that running through seperate speakers or headphones (what a hassle!) or to sample a seperate drum machine click track or something at the correct bpm then resample that adding the guitar, bass, vocal or whatever... other samples i've used have a click/metronome for sampling... thanks, myrios __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 14:49:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOJmd927812; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.124.33] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20041124192803.87257.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EHX 16 without a click-in Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:47:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 19:48:04.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[83264A60:01C4D25E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there The 4-beat count-in really sucks… does anyone know if it would be possible to kill this ‘feature’. Thanks LOU From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 15:53:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOKpUp08428; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:51:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:51:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 16 without a click-in Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.222.205] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5BpPQGAAUx5QEAAAAB,0fe7ca3d61f779e90e0f47be3f137a37 Message-Id: <20041124205014.65B053960@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,buy a Manecolooper  :D :D :D :D
 
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--- "Louis Rossi" <tarbit@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: "Louis Rossi" <tarbit@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:47:46 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EHX 16 without a click-in

Hey there

The 4-beat count-in really sucks does anyone know if it would be possible
to kill this feature.

Thanks
LOU



 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 15:55:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOKt9109395; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:53:56 +0100 (MET) From: "simon absent" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: which looper is my looper??? please help :-) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #9697400 Message-ID: <25107.1101329636@www56.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi! thuis is mt first thread, i am a new member of this list - hjello everyone :-) well i have a question which i am sure you can answer fore me... i want to become a member of the looping community but i have problems finding the right tool. so i thought i'd describe what i want to do and you tell me which looper will suit my needs, okay? here i go: what i want to do basicly is find a better way to setting up grooves and soundcapes - using a sequencer and having to stop playing is a pain in the... i need a device, which lets me record loops as intuitive as possible. i want to record my individual instruments on to several tracks, because after i have finished the jam session and i'm satisfied with the result i want to make a song of that matrerial. but if i have it all recorded in the device it is one soundfile and i can not split it up again for arranging and mixing - so it should be a recorder which has as many individual tracks (and outputs) as possible. of course if i record two similar guitars, i should also be also able to merge them to one track. it doesn't need to have an output for each track - it would be also okay i (once finished with a loop) could playback every part of which the loop consists seperately and record that onto harddisc - when finished i can rearrange the soundfile and rebuild the loop in a audio sequencer - - then start arranging. also it would be cool if the device could play several loops in a row, say i recorded the "verse" and then i want the "refrain" loop to come afterwards... and so on. my best choice so far was the electrix reopeater - but it only has four tracks. if i could sync two of them it would be just fine... or do you have any other devices which are even better for my purpose? tell me, i would apreciate any help from you!!! simon -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Top-Spielfilme auf DVD ++ Jetzt kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 15:56:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOKt6S09385; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:53:37 +0100 (MET) From: "simon absent" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: which looper is my looper??? please help :-) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #9697400 Message-ID: <24198.1101329617@www56.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi! thuis is mt first thread, i am a new member of this list - hjello everyone :-) well i have a question which i am sure you can answer fore me... i want to become a member of the looping community but i have problems finding the right tool. so i thought i'd describe what i want to do and you tell me which looper will suit my needs, okay? here i go: what i want to do basicly is find a better way to setting up grooves and soundcapes - using a sequencer and having to stop playing is a pain in the... i need a device, which lets me record loops as intuitive as possible. i want to record my individual instruments on to several tracks, because after i have finished the jam session and i'm satisfied with the result i want to make a song of that matrerial. but if i have it all recorded in the device it is one soundfile and i can not split it up again for arranging and mixing - so it should be a recorder which has as many individual tracks (and outputs) as possible. of course if i record two similar guitars, i should also be also able to merge them to one track. it doesn't need to have an output for each track - it would be also okay i (once finished with a loop) could playback every part of which the loop consists seperately and record that onto harddisc - when finished i can rearrange the soundfile and rebuild the loop in a audio sequencer - - then start arranging. also it would be cool if the device could play several loops in a row, say i recorded the "verse" and then i want the "refrain" loop to come afterwards... and so on. my best choice so far was the electrix reopeater - but it only has four tracks. if i could sync two of them it would be just fine... or do you have any other devices which are even better for my purpose? tell me, i would apreciate any help from you!!! simon -- NEU +++ DSL Komplett von GMX +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl GMX DSL-Netzanschluss + Tarif zum supergünstigen Komplett-Preis! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 16:31:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOLUAw16941; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <25107.1101329636@www56.gmx.net> References: <25107.1101329636@www56.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: which looper is my looper??? please help :-) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:29:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Simon, And welcome to the list! If you can stand recording on a computer I think Ableton Live will do all the things you listed. However, if you should want to record by overdubbing many layers into the same loop it gets a little complicated in Live. But as you did not specify overdub looping I take it you don't want to do that and I can recommend Live. There's a free demo to download with a very good PDF manual so you can really check it out deeply before buying. http://www.ableton.com/ When recording loops into Live you can prepare a session by assigning midi notes, or foot pedals if you want, to empty slots. You start the sequencer and as you send the controller midi addressing a certain slot it starts recording. Then it keeps on recording until you send the same msg a second time. Voila - there you have a loop, without ever stopping the groove. You can go directly from recording into having the loop immediately playing back. Just listen, play, record, evaluate, delete, play again and so on. I have also been using the Repeater and although it has only four tracks it will let you overdub as many layers you need on each track. Except for being a piece of dedicated hardware that's the biggest difference IMHO. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Nov 24, 2004, at 21:53, simon absent wrote: > hi! > > thuis is mt first thread, i am a new member of this list - hjello > everyone > :-) > > well i have a question which i am sure you can answer fore me... > > i want to become a member of the looping community but i have problems > finding the right tool. so i thought i'd describe what i want to do > and you > tell me which looper will suit my needs, okay? > > here i go: > > what i want to do basicly is find a better way to setting up grooves > and > soundcapes - using a sequencer and having to stop playing is a pain in > the... > > i need a device, which lets me record loops as intuitive as possible. > i want > to record my individual instruments on to several tracks, because > after i > have finished the jam session and i'm satisfied with the result i want > to > make a song of that matrerial. but if i have it all recorded in the > device > it is one soundfile and i can not split it up again for arranging and > mixing > - so it should be a recorder which has as many individual tracks (and > outputs) as possible. of course if i record two similar guitars, i > should > also be also able to merge them to one track. > > it doesn't need to have an output for each track - it would be also > okay i > (once finished with a loop) could playback every part of which the loop > consists seperately and record that onto harddisc - when finished i can > rearrange the soundfile and rebuild the loop in a audio sequencer - - > then > start arranging. > > also it would be cool if the device could play several loops in a row, > say i > recorded the "verse" and then i want the "refrain" loop to come > afterwards... and so on. > > my best choice so far was the electrix reopeater - but it only has four > tracks. if i could sync two of them it would be just fine... > > or do you have any other devices which are even better for my purpose? > > > tell me, i would apreciate any help from you!!! > > simon > > > > > > > > > -- > Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Top-Spielfilme auf DVD > ++ Jetzt kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 16:55:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOLquf21551; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:52:07 +0100 (MET) From: "simon absent" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: which looper is my looper??? please help :-) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #9697400 Message-ID: <22213.1101333127@www56.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi and thanx for the detailed information! i was pointed out to ableton before, but i rather prefer to use a hardware looper. i didn't quite understand what you meant by overdubbing - is it correct, when i record somethin and i like it i can record something additional ontop of the original matreial . but when i do this, both become one file and can not be seperated anymore, right? like for example if i sing into the machine, and then have the voice looped i can sing another voice ontop of it, but when i export it from the flashcard it is ONE audio file, right? or is there a possibility to listen to the two recorded voices seperately? and next question: i read the repeater is stereo, so could i reach more tracks if i recorded and panned each track to get eight mono tracks??? thanx > Hi Simon, > > And welcome to the list! If you can stand recording on a computer I > think Ableton Live will do all the things you listed. However, if you > should want to record by overdubbing many layers into the same loop it > gets a little complicated in Live. But as you did not specify overdub > looping I take it you don't want to do that and I can recommend Live. > There's a free demo to download with a very good PDF manual so you can > really check it out deeply before buying. http://www.ableton.com/ > > When recording loops into Live you can prepare a session by assigning > midi notes, or foot pedals if you want, to empty slots. You start the > sequencer and as you send the controller midi addressing a certain slot > it starts recording. Then it keeps on recording until you send the same > msg a second time. Voila - there you have a loop, without ever stopping > the groove. You can go directly from recording into having the loop > immediately playing back. Just listen, play, record, evaluate, delete, > play again and so on. > > I have also been using the Repeater and although it has only four > tracks it will let you overdub as many layers you need on each track. > Except for being a piece of dedicated hardware that's the biggest > difference IMHO. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Nov 24, 2004, at 21:53, simon absent wrote: > > > hi! > > > > thuis is mt first thread, i am a new member of this list - hjello > > everyone > > :-) > > > > well i have a question which i am sure you can answer fore me... > > > > i want to become a member of the looping community but i have problems > > finding the right tool. so i thought i'd describe what i want to do > > and you > > tell me which looper will suit my needs, okay? > > > > here i go: > > > > what i want to do basicly is find a better way to setting up grooves > > and > > soundcapes - using a sequencer and having to stop playing is a pain in > > the... > > > > i need a device, which lets me record loops as intuitive as possible. > > i want > > to record my individual instruments on to several tracks, because > > after i > > have finished the jam session and i'm satisfied with the result i want > > to > > make a song of that matrerial. but if i have it all recorded in the > > device > > it is one soundfile and i can not split it up again for arranging and > > mixing > > - so it should be a recorder which has as many individual tracks (and > > outputs) as possible. of course if i record two similar guitars, i > > should > > also be also able to merge them to one track. > > > > it doesn't need to have an output for each track - it would be also > > okay i > > (once finished with a loop) could playback every part of which the loop > > consists seperately and record that onto harddisc - when finished i can > > rearrange the soundfile and rebuild the loop in a audio sequencer - - > > then > > start arranging. > > > > also it would be cool if the device could play several loops in a row, > > say i > > recorded the "verse" and then i want the "refrain" loop to come > > afterwards... and so on. > > > > my best choice so far was the electrix reopeater - but it only has four > > tracks. if i could sync two of them it would be just fine... > > > > or do you have any other devices which are even better for my purpose? > > > > > > tell me, i would apreciate any help from you!!! > > > > simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Top-Spielfilme auf DVD > > ++ Jetzt kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++ > > > > > -- NEU +++ DSL Komplett von GMX +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl GMX DSL-Netzanschluss + Tarif zum supergünstigen Komplett-Preis! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 17:14:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOME3T26071; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:14:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22213.1101333127@www56.gmx.net> References: <22213.1101333127@www56.gmx.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:10:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: which looper is my looper??? please help :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:52 PM +0100 11/24/04, simon absent wrote: >i didn't quite understand what you meant by overdubbing - is it >correct, when i record somethin and i like it i can record something >additional ontop of the original matreial . but when i do this, both become >one file and can not be seperated anymore, right? People play fast and loose with terminology. "Overdubbing" can mean that you are recording onto a new channel or it can mean you are mixing new material with existing material. It depends on the particular recording hardware or software in use. >and next question: i read the repeater is stereo, so could i reach more >tracks if i recorded and panned each track to get eight mono tracks??? The Repeater is a four track recorder with a mixed stereo output. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 17:44:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAOMhan01533; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:43:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <22213.1101333127@www56.gmx.net> References: <22213.1101333127@www56.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <33ED3F46-3E6A-11D9-A5BC-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: which looper is my looper??? please help :-) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:43:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 24, 2004, at 22:52, simon absent wrote: > i didn't quite understand what you meant by overdubbing - is it > correct, when i record somethin and i like it i can record something > additional ontop of the original matreial . but when i do this, both > become > one file and can not be seperated anymore, right? Yes, that's correct. I was speaking about overdubbing into the same loop, as in "layering sound". It seems I was right in the assumption that you don't need that feature as much as the option to overdub loops in parallel, on different channels. > and next question: i read the repeater is stereo, so could i reach more > tracks if i recorded and panned each track to get eight mono tracks??? It can be used as anything between four mono tracks or two stereo tracks. If you want to browse actual tips on how a Repeater can be used, do a search at the loopers-delight archives or read the Repeater Cookbook at http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi Regards per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 24 23:09:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP47Ri12006; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:07:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:07:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.91.20] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unorthodox Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:54:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2004 03:55:00.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[89B175A0:01C4D2A2] Resent-Message-ID: <1lyWvD.A.C5C.TpVpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had some odd gigs not looping gigs-weird looping gig seems redundant. I was 17 tall and skinny with hair to the middle of my back,Got a gig playing bass in a country band with twin female singersw/cotton candy hair who sounded like Tammy Wynnette. This was '72 -years before the Blues Bros movie. We played this lobster and shrimp fisherman's bar in Marathon Fla. There was chicken wire around the stage protecting us from flying bottles-they were aiming for me,and trying to break 'em on the posts to spray me with wet glass. I played a gig in this thing caqlled a tennis stadium ,a quonset hut that was 50 feet tall with open ends. like a gigantic tin can cut in half.The only sound we could make was MWAAH WAAH WAAH WAAH WAAH.The audeince left but we stayed their making that sound for the full 3 hours. I could go on and on ,but I'll just mention a wierd gig that almost happened. I was at this fairly unusual pagan resort called Isis Oasis-all Egyptian themed ,with exotic cats -ocelots and chervils and Burmese fishing cats and all sorts of exotic birds -Empyreans and white peacocks .I got offered a gig playing percussion with a female lead guitarist whose was said to channel Frida Kahlo and Carlos Santana simultaneously.I took it just for the wierdness,but the gig got cancelled.I didn't know you could channel someone that's alive.Since then I've been trying to channel myself.It never worked till I discovered looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 00:38:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP5Zjm26749; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:35:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c4d2b0$8c8ceee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:35:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about the Monterey Bay Aquarium, Tim wrote: "Oh, man, I love that place. (Lived up the hill from it in '85-'86). I think I'd pay THEM to let me set up and loop near the Kelp Forest tank for a while..." Yeah, man, I have done several gigs inside the museum (doing looping music) and a couple right next to the Kelp Forest Tank.................it's so eerily beautiful and serene in that room. much like the serenity of the Monet 'Water Lillie's room in the Jeau du Paume (sp?), the amazing impressionist painters museum near the Louvre in paris. I've also thought it would be an amazing thing to play the Rothko Chapel someday. The Exploratorium in San Franscisco and the Tech Museum in San Jose are really visually aesthetic places to loop in, as well. Oooh, yeah, and the first Big Sur Looping Festival inside the amazing circle of gigantic redwood trees at the Henry Miller Gallery in Big Sur with heavy fog rolling in between the trees high up. That was pretty amazing! I wonder what other dream looping venue there are out there. Any ideas, anyone? Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 00:41:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP5ejE27752; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:40:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:40:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041124213846.00bb4658@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:40:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? In-Reply-To: <005e01c4d2b0$8c8ceee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woodstockhausen in the rock quarry surrounded by redwoods (2002) was pretty cool too. At 09:35 PM 2004.11.24, loop.pool wrote: >Oooh, yeah, and the first Big Sur Looping Festival inside the amazing >circle of gigantic redwood trees at the >Henry Miller Gallery in Big Sur with heavy fog rolling in between the >trees high up. That was pretty amazing! > >I wonder what other dream looping venue there are out there. > >Any ideas, anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 00:58:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP5vj530158; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:57:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:57:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.91.20] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:56:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2004 05:57:00.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[949B6F50:01C4D2B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woodstockhausen in the quarry was really sweet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 01:05:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP65Bw32671; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:05:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.91.20] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:52:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2004 05:53:00.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[058381E0:01C4D2B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woodstockhausen in the quarry was really sweet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 04:06:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP95Nk02575; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c4d2cd$b81e5220$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Hello everyone Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:04:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4D2D6.1993FDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4D2D6.1993FDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, guys,=20 I'm an italian looper, working with keyboards, KP II and the fabolous = electrix repeater. 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------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4D2D6.1993FDE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 04:43:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP9gUa07329; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041124213846.00bb4658@mail02.powweb.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041124213846.00bb4658@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <46C451B1-3EC6-11D9-91FF-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:42:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been recommended by listeners to perform at this venue: http://www.dalhalla.se/english/index.html ...so I'm trying to place a gig there. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 04:51:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAP9obP09071; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:50:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:50:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041124213846.00bb4658@mail02.powweb.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041124213846.00bb4658@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <69B4AE2C-3EC7-11D9-91FF-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Festivals in Spain? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:50:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm talking to some ppl about eventually playing at a festival in Italy this summer (the place is called Andria) and there is an idea about hooking up with a Swedish festival and a Spanish festival to do some "artist exchange". Now, the downside is that no one of the ppl in this project knows about any suitable festival in Spain? Any one got a tip? The idea came up because the Italians are doing the Andria Festival "experimental" in 2005. So, where to look for an "experimental" festival in Spain to contact? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 06:07:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPB63K23919; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:06:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mNZen7SB6/aEeUSD/rTiLG5YzZbOp2xqEdd0kPGY1+hHdrYsTkQGP5skhAecJd8X7VllBHMNN9auEWmtdE4/248LRFzcqqfnFycycFGLMbTeFi9qHwVPshETWOiilq2MX7JLl2s96PQtEzgx0vzRFaQbunhnm1cO41jCN1owe2w= ; Message-ID: <20041125110538.86424.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7aCcEB.A.40F.IybpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a place not far from me in Lebanon, ME called Gully Oven. It's pretty much abandoned now, but long ago a Norwegian violinist named Ole Bull who had been a student of Edvard Grieg used to do open-air concerts there. It's a natural stone amphitheater in the woods, with great acoustics. I've played acoustically there a bunch of times, and a few times brought along a couple of battery-operated loopers (DL4 and RC-20) and a Pignose. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 06:16:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPBFFF25536; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c4d2df$f7b28bb0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041124213846.00bb4658@mail02.powweb.com> <69B4AE2C-3EC7-11D9-91FF-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Festivals in Spain? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:14:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <6hIyOC.A.POG.w6bpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, here Fabio from Italy. Can you give infomations about the festival scheduled for this summer in Andria ? Thanks Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Festivals in Spain? > Hi, > > I'm talking to some ppl about eventually playing at a festival in Italy > this summer (the place is called Andria) and there is an idea about > hooking up with a Swedish festival and a Spanish festival to do some > "artist exchange". Now, the downside is that no one of the ppl in this > project knows about any suitable festival in Spain? Any one got a tip? > > The idea came up because the Italians are doing the Andria Festival > "experimental" in 2005. So, where to look for an "experimental" > festival in Spain to contact? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 08:13:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPDBMH11210; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c4426a$7933a1d0$df94fea9@jstudiohlk6vld> From: "John Perlini" To: References: Subject: Re: SD and LA (home again) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:10:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: e505a8ab8cd5bdd41aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79711ab50f2a83d10b8f88a0d7e49abb70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 207.69.0.133 Resent-Message-ID: <_Vxx7.A.FtC.2mdpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Tom, I`m a newbie to this group,. Happy THXgiving first off,.and did you gig Asheville , NC,[the San Franfrancisco Mtn scene thats still growing] Stella Blue? Dang I missed this,.,I should get out more often,., [the studio can take its toll ] Are there many Percussion gigs in this circuit ,. sure woudnt mind being busy during the slow winters months here. I use an Orville and DSP 4500,.and have built my own perc rig, Regards, John Perlini ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Griesgraber" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: SD and LA (home again) > Hi all, > > Just got home from my two month tour with the California Guitar Trio. > I had a fun time meeting some of the LD lurkers while on the road too > (a few easily spottable in their LD t-shirts!) > > Glad to read that Electrix is back as well. My Repeater has seen a lot > of traveling not just counting this 37 state, 15,000 miles of driving > marathon, and the more it travels the more the knobs get loose and > scary. My EDP was at the shop during the tour but is back now. Once I > get through the 2 foot high pile of mail that's staring at me I'll be > gleefully reintegrating it as well. > > Since my new album was released nationally by O3E/Spotted Peccary music > in Oct, and I'm only now getting home, I'm only now doing a CD release > type event. I've gathered together many of the players on it (those > who don't require plane tickets) to do a special show in San Diego. > The following night will also see a smaller, condensed version of the > show in LA: > > Tom Griesgraber with Bert Lams (of California Guitar Trio), NS/Stick > player Don Schiff and Darren DeBree (Agent 22) > Th Dec 2, 8pm > Dizzy's - 344 7th ave, between J and K > San Diego, CA > www.dizzyssandiego.com > > Tom Griesgraber with Bert Lams (of CGT) > Fri Dec 3, 8pm-9:15pm > Genghis Cohen > 740 N Fairfax > Los Angeles, CA > www.genghiscohen.com > > Thanks for reading! > Tom > > > Tom Griesgraber > www.thossounds.com > 760-942-1031 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 12:21:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPHGQb19205; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:15:37 EST Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Are we talking about gigs we've done or gig's we'd like to do? My favorite space to play in so far was a gig I had at the CONTEMPORARY ARTS FORUM CENTER STAGE THEATER=20 in Santa Barbara, California. Imagine a building which from=20 the inside presents a performance space that is a big flat-black cube within which you can reconfigure seating, stage, curtains, lighting and sound system to fit almost anything you want to do.=20 It presents absolutely no distractions to the performance=20 (because of its dull decor) and it sounded GREAT too. As for places I'd like to do there are several . . . The Oregon Aquarium in Newport (not as big as the Monterey, California one) it has a great jellyfish display that looks like a forest of living lava lamps. Heheheh. I don't know if they allow performances there but I'd be thrilled to do one. The Ventura, California Courthouse Atrium. Imagine a giant echoey marble floored space with murals and a giant stature=20 of Padre Sera pointing at you. Heheheh. Actually, this IS a=20 performance space and my pal Jeff Kaiser has organized=20 several concerts there. If you like reverb . . . it's great. Almost any old stone church building from the 19th century. They were built for sound/music to be heard in (and for people to sit in to hear it) all without technology. I've been in many, many of them that would be sublime performance spaces if they were opened up to the possibility. The Silo #5 grain elevator. Silo #5 is an abandoned grain storage=20 facility in the port of Montr=E9al. A quarter of a mile long and over=20 twenty stories high, it has a total capacity of five million bushels, or enough wheat to make 230 million loaves of bread. The building=20 was constructed in several stages between 1903 and 1958. It seems to have been converted to a space for presenting music (in some fashion). It'd be interesting. See: http://www.silophone.net/ I think something like my piece "Hubble" would go over there=20 quite well. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Are we talking about gigs we've done or gig's we'd like to do?

My favorite space to play in so far was a gig I had at the
CONTEMPORARY ARTS FORUM CENTER STAGE THEATER
in Santa Barbara, California. Imagine a building which from
the inside presents a performance space that is a big flat-black
cube within which you can reconfigure seating, stage, curtains,
lighting and sound system to fit almost anything you want to do.
It presents absolutely no distractions to the performance
(because of its dull decor) and it sounded GREAT too.

As for places I'd like to do there are several . . .

The Oregon Aquarium in Newport (not as big as the Monterey,
California one) it has a great jellyfish display that looks like
a forest of living lava lamps. Heheheh. I don't know if they
allow performances there but I'd be thrilled to do one.

The Ventura, California Courthouse Atrium. Imagine a giant
echoey marble floored space with murals and a giant stature
of Padre Sera pointing at you. Heheheh. Actually, this IS a
performance space and my pal Jeff Kaiser has organized
several concerts there. If you like reverb . . . it's great.

Almost any old stone church building from the 19th century.
They were built for sound/music to be heard in (and for people
to sit in to hear it) all without technology. I've been in many,
many of them that would be sublime performance spaces
if they were opened up to the possibility.

The Silo #5 grain elevator. Silo #5 is an abandoned grain storage
facility in the port of Montr=E9al. A quarter of a mile long and over
twenty stories high, it has a total capacity of five million bushels,
or enough wheat to make 230 million loaves of bread. The building
was constructed in several stages between 1903 and 1958. It
seems to have been converted to a space for presenting music
(in some fashion). It'd be interesting. See: http://www.silophone.net/
I think something like my piece "Hubble" would go over there
quite well.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 12:22:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPHMDI20331; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.30a7c66d.2ed76eb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:21:53 EST Subject: Happy Turkeyday (or Tofuday)!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d9.30a7c66d.2ed76eb1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <-XjjhC.A.B9E.5ShpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d9.30a7c66d.2ed76eb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way, Have a happy holiday today (American loopers).=20 Stay away from the stores tomorrow morning (if you know what's good for you). And, remember JUST SAY NO TO WALMART this holiday season!!! Happy Thanksgiving! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1d9.30a7c66d.2ed76eb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way,

Have a happy holiday today (American loopers).
Stay away from the stores tomorrow morning
(if you know what's good for you). And, remember
JUST SAY NO TO WALMART this holiday season!!!
Happy Thanksgiving!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1d9.30a7c66d.2ed76eb1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 12:50:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPHndR25131; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:49:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Italian to English Translation for Review Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:49:17 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c4d317$162b9500$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4D2DC.69CCBD00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4D2DC.69CCBD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could I ask a favor of any of the Italian/English speaking loopers out there? I need a translation of a review of my videos and music in "Horror Magazine" from Italy. If you can translate the review below, I'll send you a bunch of my stuff (CD, DVD, music video DVD, etc). I tried a few of the free online translators, but the translation is very poor. Let my know by private email, if you are interested in the trade. info@krispenhartung.com. The reference to Randy Rhodes has me intrigued! :) Source link: http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ Cheers, *********************************=20 Krispen Hartung=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com La musica dei Grandi Antichi Online le produzioni sonore create da Krispen Hartung e basate sull'immaginario del Maestro di Providence. Una Vorticella o una creatura lovecraftiana?Krispen Hartung =E8 un musicista statunitense che dalla sua base di Boise, Idaho lancia da anni anomali progetti sonori. Lo stile di chitarra acustica adottato da Hartung pu=F2 al primo ascolto venire erroneamente classificato nel vasto mare della New Age ma se si presta maggiore attenzione alle sue composizioni si noteranno elementi estranei e perturbanti, sia per quanto concerne la tecnica (alcune cose possono ricordare Randy Rhodes) che per quel che riguarda le tematiche. Proprio a questo riguardo risulatano assai intriganti alcune sue nuove produzioni, tutte facilmente scaricabili dal sito personale e fortemente influenzate da tematiche lovecraftiane. Fremmed Sinn significa mente aliena in norvegese e narra di un mostruoso essere che emerge dal mare per dominare telepaticamente le menti umane. Lovecraft Resurrected, come =E8 facile immaginare dal titolo, prevede il ritorno dello scrittore di Providence dall'oltretomba per guidare una schiera di spiriti e soggiogare una citt=E0. The Rise of Cthulhu =E8 un allucinato viaggio musicale che tenta di descrivere la risalita della citt=E0 di R'lyeh dal limo del fondo = oceanico fino alla superficie. In questo caso il brano =E8 accompagnato anche da = un video assai sperimentale che tenta di associare alle note la figura di un... Non vi riveliamo altro, invitandovi a visitare il sito. Horror Magazine (Italy) =20 http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4D2DC.69CCBD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Italian to English Translation for Review

Could I ask a favor of any of the = Italian/English speaking loopers out there? I need a translation of a = review of my videos and music in "Horror Magazine" from Italy. = If you can translate the review below, I'll send you a bunch of my stuff = (CD, DVD, music video DVD, etc).  I tried a few of the free online = translators, but the translation is very poor. Let my know by private = email, if you are interested in the trade. info@krispenhartung.com. The = reference to Randy Rhodes has me intrigued! :)

Source link: http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/=

Cheers,

********************************* =
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

La musica dei Grandi Antichi

Online le produzioni sonore create = da Krispen Hartung e basate sull'immaginario del Maestro di = Providence.
Una Vorticella o una creatura = lovecraftiana?Krispen Hartung =E8 un musicista statunitense che dalla = sua base di Boise, Idaho lancia da anni anomali progetti sonori.
Lo stile di chitarra acustica adottato da Hartung pu=F2 al primo ascolto = venire erroneamente classificato nel vasto mare della New Age ma se si = presta maggiore attenzione alle sue composizioni si noteranno elementi = estranei e perturbanti, sia per quanto concerne la tecnica (alcune cose = possono ricordare Randy Rhodes) che per quel che riguarda le = tematiche.
Proprio a questo riguardo risulatano assai intriganti alcune sue nuove = produzioni, tutte facilmente scaricabili dal sito personale e fortemente = influenzate da tematiche lovecraftiane.

Fremmed Sinn significa mente aliena = in norvegese e narra di un mostruoso essere che emerge dal mare per = dominare telepaticamente le menti umane.

Lovecraft Resurrected, come =E8 = facile immaginare dal titolo, prevede il ritorno dello scrittore di = Providence dall'oltretomba per guidare una schiera di spiriti e = soggiogare una citt=E0.

The Rise of Cthulhu =E8 un allucinato = viaggio musicale che tenta di descrivere la risalita della citt=E0 di = R'lyeh dal limo del fondo oceanico fino alla superficie. In questo caso = il brano =E8 accompagnato anche da un video assai sperimentale che tenta = di associare alle note la figura di un... Non vi riveliamo altro, = invitandovi a visitare il sito.

Horror Magazine (Italy)
http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/=


------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C4D2DC.69CCBD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 12:50:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPHnTi25099; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:49:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:47:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Unorthodox Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1110717542==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0isGt.A.YHG.cshpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1110717542==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:54 PM -0800 11/24/04, samba - wrote: >I was at this fairly unusual pagan resort called Isis Oasis-all >Egyptian themed ,with exotic cats -ocelots and chervils and Burmese >fishing cats and all sorts of exotic birds -Empyreans and white >peacocks http://www.isisoasis.org/ This is a great place, in Geyserville California, with a variety of guest accommodations including a yurt. The ocelot was a real sweetie - happy to be held and petted (he was heavy!). They had two bobcats, one a young female who was let out on a long leash and who delighted in attacking the other animals in play. The servals were a bit more feral. They'd been de-fanged but their attendant still kept his distance while feeding them chicken carcasses. Another place in the area worth knowing about is Safari West. http://www.safariwest.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1110717542==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Unorthodox
At 7:54 PM -0800 11/24/04, samba - wrote:

I was at this fairly unusual pagan resort called Isis Oasis-all Egyptian themed ,with exotic cats -ocelots and chervils and Burmese fishing cats and  all sorts of exotic birds -Empyreans and white peacocks


http://www.isisoasis.org/

This is a great place, in Geyserville California, with a variety of guest accommodations including a yurt. The ocelot was a real sweetie - happy to be held and petted (he was heavy!). They had two bobcats, one a young female who was let out on a long leash and who delighted in attacking the other animals in play. The servals were a bit more feral. They'd been de-fanged but their attendant still kept his distance while feeding them chicken carcasses.

Another place in the area worth knowing about is Safari West.

http://www.safariwest.com/
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1110717542==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 12:56:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPHtWA26768; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:55:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:55:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c4d317$ebed9120$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4D2DD.3F8EB920" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39@aol.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4D2DD.3F8EB920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, not that I'd ever be big enough to play there and compete with band like the Dead, Kiss, Dave Matthews, etc, but the Gorge in Washington (USA) would be fun....great scenery! =20 http://www.glidemagazine.com/images/img.php?m=3D480 &t=3Darticles&i=3Dimage1499.jpg =20 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Hi all, Are we talking about gigs we've done or gig's we'd like to do? My favorite space to play in so far was a gig I had at the CONTEMPORARY ARTS FORUM CENTER STAGE THEATER=20 in Santa Barbara, California. Imagine a building which from=20 the inside presents a performance space that is a big flat-black cube within which you can reconfigure seating, stage, curtains, lighting and sound system to fit almost anything you want to do.=20 It presents absolutely no distractions to the performance=20 (because of its dull decor) and it sounded GREAT too. As for places I'd like to do there are several . . . The Oregon Aquarium in Newport (not as big as the Monterey, California one) it has a great jellyfish display that looks like a forest of living lava lamps. Heheheh. I don't know if they allow performances there but I'd be thrilled to do one. The Ventura, California Courthouse Atrium. Imagine a giant echoey marble floored space with murals and a giant stature=20 of Padre Sera pointing at you. Heheheh. Actually, this IS a=20 performance space and my pal Jeff Kaiser has organized=20 several concerts there. If you like reverb . . . it's great. Almost any old stone church building from the 19th century. They were built for sound/music to be heard in (and for people to sit in to hear it) all without technology. I've been in many, many of them that would be sublime performance spaces if they were opened up to the possibility. The Silo #5 grain elevator. Silo #5 is an abandoned grain storage=20 facility in the port of Montr=E9al. A quarter of a mile long and over=20 twenty stories high, it has a total capacity of five million bushels, or enough wheat to make 230 million loaves of bread. The building=20 was constructed in several stages between 1903 and 1958. It seems to have been converted to a space for presenting music (in some fashion). It'd be interesting. See: http://www.silophone.net/ I think something like my piece "Hubble" would go over there=20 quite well. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4D2DD.3F8EB920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Well, not that I'd ever be big enough to play there and compete = with band=20 like the Dead, Kiss, Dave Matthews, etc, but the Gorge in Washington = (USA) would=20 be fun....great scenery!
 
http://www.glidemagazine.com/images/img.php?m=3D= 480&t=3Darticles&i=3Dimage1499.jpg
 
Kris
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Thursday,=20 November 25, 2004 10:16 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Dream = Looping=20 Venues?

Hi all,

Are we = talking about=20 gigs we've done or gig's we'd like to do?

My favorite space to = play in=20 so far was a gig I had at the
CONTEMPORARY ARTS FORUM CENTER STAGE = THEATER=20
in Santa Barbara, California. Imagine a building which from =
the inside=20 presents a performance space that is a big flat-black
cube within = which you=20 can reconfigure seating, stage, curtains,
lighting and sound system = to fit=20 almost anything you want to do.
It presents absolutely no = distractions to=20 the performance
(because of its dull decor) and it sounded GREAT=20 too.

As for places I'd like to do there are several . . = .

The=20 Oregon Aquarium in Newport (not as big as the Monterey,
California = one) it=20 has a great jellyfish display that looks like
a forest of living = lava=20 lamps. Heheheh. I don't know if they
allow performances there but = I'd be=20 thrilled to do one.

The Ventura, California Courthouse Atrium. = Imagine=20 a giant
echoey marble floored space with murals and a giant stature =
of=20 Padre Sera pointing at you. Heheheh. Actually, this IS a =
performance space=20 and my pal Jeff Kaiser has organized
several concerts there. If = you like=20 reverb . . . it's great.

Almost any old stone church building = from the=20 19th century.
They were built for sound/music to be heard in (and = for=20 people
to sit in to hear it) all without technology. I've been in=20 many,
many of them that would be sublime performance spaces
if = they were=20 opened up to the possibility.

The Silo #5 grain elevator. Silo = #5 is an=20 abandoned grain storage
facility in the port of Montr=E9al. A = quarter of a=20 mile long and over
twenty stories high, it has a total capacity of = five=20 million bushels,
or enough wheat to make 230 million loaves of = bread. The=20 building
was constructed in several stages between 1903 and 1958.=20 It
seems to have been converted to a space for presenting = music
(in some=20 fashion). It'd be interesting. See: http://www.silophone.net/
I = think=20 something like my piece "Hubble" would go over there
quite=20 well.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 = kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com= /cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.g= arageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.as= px?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<= BR>
Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4D2DD.3F8EB920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 13:03:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPI3GS29243; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:03:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c4d319$02dd09a0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <005e01c4d2b0$8c8ceee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:03:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <_d98ZB.A.YIH.V5hpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I wonder what other dream looping venue there are out there. Had one last night - at the top of a building in London, known to Londoners as 'The Gherkin' - amazing looking brand new office building, with a restaurant right at the top that looks like something out of a Bond film... did 3.5 hours of looping improv with Theo Travis there last night for a corporate gig, and it was pretty incredible - looking out over all of London, the sound bouncing off the glass dome and filling the whole place. 'Twas just a shame that the organisation in the venue was such a freakin' shambles - it's amazing how you can have a building that costs hundreds of millions of pounds to design and build and still no-one knows how to get your gear into a lift that goes to the basement... :o| still, it was a dream venue, that's fo' shizzle. Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 13:24:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPIMfm32202; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:22:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:22:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39@aol.com> References: <1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:22:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3kf3JD.A.g2H.kLipBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if I should call this a "dream" or a "nightmare" venue, but I once did a concert inside the anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge. This is on the Brooklyn side of the bridge, which is a large stone structure with a number of immense rooms inside. We played in the largest of these, a chamber with ceilings perhaps three stories high, walls made of immense blocks of granite, and acoustics that are as reverberant as you'd imagine. We were doing rather dense partly improvised music for voice, tape, and electronics with a quad surround system. It was pretty much mud, but it looked nice. Another, even larger venue was the Pension Building in Washington DC. This is a huge space (that at one time was use to stable horses!) with immense columns holding up a roof that was probably three or four stories high. The central are was broad and open with surrounding galleries on all floors above. This was actually the second gig on the same 1983 tour, so it was the same material booming forth into a cavernous space. Either of these spaces would have been quite wonderful for loop music. Another architectural space that would be be wonderful is the lobby of Building 7 at MIT. It's the space just inside the main entrance at 77 Mass Ave, a 4-story space with immense columns and dome with skylight on top. The main lobby of the American Museum of Natural History in New York would also be great. Another cavernous multi-story stone space, complete with the mounted skeletons of battling dinosaurs. But perhaps the most inspiring of such spaces for me would be the Pantheon in Rome! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 14:03:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPJ1N605506; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:01:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:01:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:59:45 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c4d320$ee2bd240$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6iVAb.A.FTB.ouipBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of rock...has anyone recorded in any caves? It would take a generator but the ambience might be interesting. I recall reading an article several years ago about some person who got permission to record in one of the Pyramids of Egypt....apparently, the natural reverb decay was unbelievable. I think he was playing the flute. It could be Wendy Luck, however: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/luck. It would have been Ani Williams as well: http://www.aniwilliams.com/isis.htm (1989), but that is harp. I thought it was difficult to get into the pyramids ??? I found a few other recordings as well. I agree, the Pantheon would be inspiring! Setup right in the center, beneath the oculus. Setting up a stage in the Colosseum would be fun too. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3db28b3127cce9788093c7644000000461 0 (the walk-way has plenty of room for a small stage). Kris -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? I don't know if I should call this a "dream" or a "nightmare" venue, but I once did a concert inside the anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge. This is on the Brooklyn side of the bridge, which is a large stone structure with a number of immense rooms inside. We played in the largest of these, a chamber with ceilings perhaps three stories high, walls made of immense blocks of granite, and acoustics that are as reverberant as you'd imagine. We were doing rather dense partly improvised music for voice, tape, and electronics with a quad surround system. It was pretty much mud, but it looked nice. Another, even larger venue was the Pension Building in Washington DC. This is a huge space (that at one time was use to stable horses!) with immense columns holding up a roof that was probably three or four stories high. The central are was broad and open with surrounding galleries on all floors above. This was actually the second gig on the same 1983 tour, so it was the same material booming forth into a cavernous space. Either of these spaces would have been quite wonderful for loop music. Another architectural space that would be be wonderful is the lobby of Building 7 at MIT. It's the space just inside the main entrance at 77 Mass Ave, a 4-story space with immense columns and dome with skylight on top. The main lobby of the American Museum of Natural History in New York would also be great. Another cavernous multi-story stone space, complete with the mounted skeletons of battling dinosaurs. But perhaps the most inspiring of such spaces for me would be the Pantheon in Rome! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 14:04:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPJ3H006055; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:03:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:03:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Italian to English Translation for Review Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c4d321$6311a9e0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C4D2E6.B6B2D1E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C4D2E6.B6B2D1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to Luigi Meloni for the quick respsone and translation! > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:49 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: Italian to English Translation for Review >=20 > Could I ask a favor of any of the Italian/English speaking loopers out > there? I need a translation of a review of my videos and music in > "Horror Magazine" from Italy. If you can translate the review below, > I'll send you a bunch of my stuff (CD, DVD, music video DVD, etc). I > tried a few of the free online translators, but the translation is > very poor. Let my know by private email, if you are interested in the > trade. info@krispenhartung.com. The reference to Randy Rhodes has me > intrigued! :) >=20 > Source link: http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > *********************************=20 > Krispen Hartung=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 > info@krispenhartung.com >=20 > La musica dei Grandi Antichi >=20 > Online le produzioni sonore create da Krispen Hartung e basate > sull'immaginario del Maestro di Providence. > Una Vorticella o una creatura lovecraftiana?Krispen Hartung =E8 un > musicista statunitense che dalla sua base di Boise, Idaho lancia da > anni anomali progetti sonori. > Lo stile di chitarra acustica adottato da Hartung pu=F2 al primo = ascolto > venire erroneamente classificato nel vasto mare della New Age ma se si > presta maggiore attenzione alle sue composizioni si noteranno elementi > estranei e perturbanti, sia per quanto concerne la tecnica (alcune > cose possono ricordare Randy Rhodes) che per quel che riguarda le > tematiche. > Proprio a questo riguardo risulatano assai intriganti alcune sue nuove > produzioni, tutte facilmente scaricabili dal sito personale e > fortemente influenzate da tematiche lovecraftiane. > Fremmed Sinn significa mente aliena in norvegese e narra di un > mostruoso essere che emerge dal mare per dominare telepaticamente le > menti umane. > Lovecraft Resurrected, come =E8 facile immaginare dal titolo, prevede = il > ritorno dello scrittore di Providence dall'oltretomba per guidare una > schiera di spiriti e soggiogare una citt=E0. > The Rise of Cthulhu =E8 un allucinato viaggio musicale che tenta di > descrivere la risalita della citt=E0 di R'lyeh dal limo del fondo > oceanico fino alla superficie. In questo caso il brano =E8 = accompagnato > anche da un video assai sperimentale che tenta di associare alle note > la figura di un... Non vi riveliamo altro, invitandovi a visitare il > sito. > Horror Magazine (Italy) =20 > http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C4D2E6.B6B2D1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Italian to English Translation for Review

Thanks to Luigi = Meloni for the quick respsone and translation!

     -----Original Message-----
    From:   Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
    Sent:   Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:49 AM
    To:     'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
    Subject:       = Italian to English Translation for = Review

    Could I ask a favor of any of the = Italian/English speaking loopers out there? I need a translation of a = review of my videos and music in "Horror Magazine" from Italy. = If you can translate the review below, I'll send you a bunch of my stuff = (CD, DVD, music video DVD, etc).  I tried a few of the free online = translators, but the translation is very poor. Let my know by private = email, if you are interested in the trade. info@krispenhartung.com. The = reference to Randy Rhodes has me intrigued! :)

    Source link: http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/=

    Cheers,

    ********************************* =
    Krispen Hartung
    http://www.krispenhartung.com
    info@krispenhartung.com

    La musica dei Grandi Antichi

    Online le produzioni sonore create = da Krispen Hartung e basate sull'immaginario del Maestro di = Providence.
    Una Vorticella o una creatura = lovecraftiana?Krispen Hartung =E8 un musicista statunitense che dalla = sua base di Boise, Idaho lancia da anni anomali progetti sonori.
    Lo stile di chitarra acustica adottato da Hartung pu=F2 al primo ascolto = venire erroneamente classificato nel vasto mare della New Age ma se si = presta maggiore attenzione alle sue composizioni si noteranno elementi = estranei e perturbanti, sia per quanto concerne la tecnica (alcune cose = possono ricordare Randy Rhodes) che per quel che riguarda le = tematiche.
    Proprio a questo riguardo risulatano assai intriganti alcune sue nuove = produzioni, tutte facilmente scaricabili dal sito personale e fortemente = influenzate da tematiche lovecraftiane.

    Fremmed Sinn significa mente aliena = in norvegese e narra di un mostruoso essere che emerge dal mare per = dominare telepaticamente le menti umane.

    Lovecraft Resurrected, come =E8 = facile immaginare dal titolo, prevede il ritorno dello scrittore di = Providence dall'oltretomba per guidare una schiera di spiriti e = soggiogare una citt=E0.

    The Rise of Cthulhu =E8 un allucinato = viaggio musicale che tenta di descrivere la risalita della citt=E0 di = R'lyeh dal limo del fondo oceanico fino alla superficie. In questo caso = il brano =E8 accompagnato anche da un video assai sperimentale che tenta = di associare alle note la figura di un... Non vi riveliamo altro, = invitandovi a visitare il sito.

    Horror Magazine (Italy)
    http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/=


------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C4D2E6.B6B2D1E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 14:18:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPJH1o08663; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003501c4d320$ee2bd240$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <003501c4d320$ee2bd240$6401a8c0@khartung> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:16:41 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1110712290==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1110712290==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:59 AM -0700 11/25/04, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I recall reading an >article several years ago about some person who got permission to record >in one of the Pyramids of Egypt....apparently, the natural reverb decay >was unbelievable. I think he was playing the flute. Paul Horn http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000018Y5/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance Also: Taj Mahal http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000018WP/ref=pd_sbs_m_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000018XF/ref=pd_sim_music_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music Monument Valley http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000I17O/ref=pd_sim_music_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music Canyon de Chelly http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000138T/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music&st=* -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1110712290==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Dream Looping Venues?
At 11:59 AM -0700 11/25/04, Krispen Hartung wrote:
I recall reading an
article several years ago about some person who got permission to record
in one of the Pyramids of Egypt....apparently, the natural reverb decay
was unbelievable. I think he was playing the flute.

Paul Horn

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000018Y5/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance

Also:

Taj Mahal
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000018WP/ref=pd_sbs_m_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000018XF/ref=pd_sim_music_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music

Monument Valley
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000I17O/ref=pd_sim_music_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music

Canyon de Chelly
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000138T/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-0205444-2624619?v=glance&s=music&st=*
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1110712290==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 14:26:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPJPHK10065; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.2bd5342f.2ed78b83@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:24:51 EST Subject: Re: Hello everyone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a8.2bd5342f.2ed78b83_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a8.2bd5342f.2ed78b83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio, In a message dated 11/25/04 1:04:40, fabio.anile@tiscali.it writes: > Hi, guys, > I'm an Italian looper, working with keyboards, KP II and the fabulous=20 > Electrix Repeater. I'm new member of this list and I think I will enjoy=20 > share with you experience and information. Give me your loopin'=20 > welcome. > eterogeneo > download.com/eterogeneo >=20 Welcome aboard!!! I listened to the 2 MP3s that you had on download.com They were absolutely great!!! Reminded me a bit of Ketil Bj=F8rnstad or=20 Harold Budd (to speak of two particularly favorite pianists). It's good=20 to make your acquaintance. I hope we hear more from you!!! Ciao! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn If you want to know a little bit about what I do go to: http://www.cutrupi.com/Ted%20Killian.html or . . . http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1a8.2bd5342f.2ed78b83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio,

In a message dated 11/25/04 1:04:40, fabio.anile@tiscali.it writes:

Hi, guys,
I'm an Italian looper, working with keyboards, KP II and the fabulous Electrix Repeater. I'm new member of this list and I think I will enjoy <= /FONT>
share with you experience and information. Give me your loopin'
welcome.
eterogeneo
download.com/eterogeneo

Welcome aboard!!! I listened to the 2 MP3s that you had on download.com They were absolutely great!!! Reminded me a bit of Ketil Bj=F8rnstad<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"> or <= BR> Harold Budd (to speak of two particularly favorite pianists). It's good
to make your acquaintance. I hope we hear more from you!!! Ciao!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

If you want to know a little bit about what I do go to:
http://www.cutrupi.com/Ted%20Killian.html

or . . .

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1a8.2bd5342f.2ed78b83_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 14:31:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPJTvR11043; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:29:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:29:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A632A1.505A5ED2@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:29:36 -0500 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? References: <200411251904.iAPJ4ad06359@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > once did a concert inside the anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge. I once played in the cave that was left in the side of a mountain after they carved out the stone blocks used to make the Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage. :) Its called the Widow Jane Mine in upstate NY. I don't think they do shows there anymore. They had a rave, and that killed that scene. -- **** What's Charles Up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen AIM= beepsandboops / YAHOO IM = beepsandboops2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 15:43:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPKgXI24128; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: Unorthodox Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:42:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:34:47 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.237.20 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <-S75gD.A.i4F.pOkpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since then I've been trying to channel myself. It never worked till I discovered looping. ROFL !!! Great story. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 17:24:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPMMJW08336; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:22:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:22:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A65A83.3060905@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:19:47 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? References: <003501c4d320$ee2bd240$6401a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4zXpJB.A.AAC.hrlpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:59 AM -0700 11/25/04, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I recall reading an > >> article several years ago about some person who got permission to record >> in one of the Pyramids of Egypt....apparently, the natural reverb decay > >> was unbelievable. I think he was playing the flute. > > > Paul Horn > Steve Douglas also has an album called Music of Cheops that was recorded in the King's room of the great pyramid that is all sax and flute solos. The copy I have is on the Tacoma label (home of John Fahey rip) and claims to be the first such recording ever made in the King's room (1976). Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 17:28:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPMRxS09293; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DicemanB@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.2f2390be.2ed7b655@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:27:33 EST Subject: Re: Hello everyone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 17:40:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAPMZB910391; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DicemanB@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.316c8758.2ed7b7d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:34:01 EST Subject: Percloops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dd.316c8758.2ed7b7d9_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dd.316c8758.2ed7b7d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Loopers, I am a percussionist (Cuban and Brasilian perc) and new to the looping concept, and have this notion of using a looper to set up live percussion loops, with and without my muso chums. Have any of you done this, what are the best loopers (is an RC 20 XL a good choice?) and are there any pitfalls and workarounds worth knowing? I would welcome any hints from all you lovely loopers out there. Sabor Diceman --part1_1dd.316c8758.2ed7b7d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Loopers,

I am a percussionist (Cuban and Brasilian perc) and new to the looping conce= pt, and have this notion of using a looper to set up live percussion loops,=20= with and without my muso chums.
Have any of you done this, what are the best loopers (is an RC 20 XL a good=20= choice?) and are there any pitfalls and workarounds worth knowing?
I would welcome any hints from all you lovely loopers out there.

Sabor
Diceman --part1_1dd.316c8758.2ed7b7d9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 25 23:11:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQ47tE03066; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:07:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:07:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #9697400 Message-ID: <014b01c4d36d$3a1b9a40$3701a8c0@fufu> From: "snafu" To: Subject: can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:05:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0148_01C4D375.9AFAD260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6HMasB.A.7r.SvqpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C4D375.9AFAD260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? the basic idea is to get = more tracks - so what it should do is, if i hit play/record on either of = the devices they both shoule start and run in perfect sync. if yes, which sync method would be coolest? i read the repeater has = several sync options... this is one of my last big questions concerning my decission of the = perfect looper for me :-) thanx to everyone who helped me decide... best, simon ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C4D375.9AFAD260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

can several Electrix Repeaters be = synced??? the basic=20 idea is to get more tracks - so what it should do is, if i hit = play/record on=20 either of the devices they both shoule start and run in perfect = sync.

if yes, which sync method would be = coolest? i read=20 the repeater has several sync options...

 

 

this is one of my last big questions = concerning my=20 decission of the perfect looper for me :-) thanx=20 to everyone who helped me decide...

 
best, simon
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References: <014b01c4d36d$3a1b9a40$3701a8c0@fufu> In-Reply-To: <014b01c4d36d$3a1b9a40$3701a8c0@fufu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > this is one of my last big questions concerning my decission of the > perfect looper for me :-) thanx to everyone who helped me decide... > > Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no perfect looper for you. Once you have one, your styles and needs will grow, and you will discover what you do or don't like about looping. You will also discover your own set of favourite quirks in your tools and wish they were expanded on. You will see other peoples performances and walk away both awe struck and inspired. You will talk to other loopers, and converse on this list and suddenly find a huge hole in your bank account (I love doing that to people, myself :>). You will also go through 'revival' periods, where you wish you didn't have so much gear, and try simplifying everything. Oh yes, you can synch repeaters fine. You just need a midi cable. bIz groovetronica.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 02:15:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQ7DkV02746; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 02:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 02:13:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <014b01c4d36d$3a1b9a40$3701a8c0@fufu> References: <014b01c4d36d$3a1b9a40$3701a8c0@fufu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:13:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 25, 2004, at 10:05 PM, snafu wrote: > can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? the basic idea is to get > more tracks DUDE!!!! what about NINE Digitech RDS-8000s running off one TR-909? it would cost less than 2 repeaters. that shit would be dope yo. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 03:36:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQ8Yh215761; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c4d392$bd90b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:34:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 'gherkin' looks incredible, Steve. I wish I could have heard you and Theo improvising there. Say hi to him for me, please. Here's an URL to take a look at the venue: http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/phallic/uncircumcised.php As long as we're dreaming, I'd love to play: 1) the Taj Mahal (which has a 19 second reverberation) in India. If you haven't heard the placid and beautiful "Inside" by Paul Horn on flute, you owe it to yourself to hear this wonderful space. So reverberant that anything highly syncopated would be mush. 2) the Oracle at Delphi: one of the most beautiful greek ampitheatres in a beautiful mountain setting. 3) Also, when I was a boy my family lived in Tripoli, Libya where there is an incredibly well preserved Roman ampitheatre at Leptis Magna right by where the Sahara desert comes to the Mediterranean Sea. It is so dry there that it is much better preserved than the Roman architecture on most of the European side of the Mediterranean. http://www.caravanserai-tours.com/images/libya/theatre2.jpg It is also exquisitely beautiful because of the white marble of the ampitheatre and surrounded by the white sand of the desert against the impossible blue of the Mediterranean. It's been so long since I was there, but I remember it's beauty vividly. Now that Libya is normalizing relationships with the US, my dream is to get a grant to go record the music of the mendicant tribes of the Sahara in Libya. This music has never been documented (to my knowledge) and the rumor is that Khadafy has really suppressed the Tuaregs and other mendicant tribespeople of the desert. The First Libyan Live Looping Festival......................I like it..................time to get my portable looping rig in order. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 04:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQ99kG21897; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:09:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c4d397$9ca0e8d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <014b01c4d36d$3a1b9a40$3701a8c0@fufu> Subject: Re: can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:09:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C4D39F.FE523E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <59pXcC.A.WVF.HLvpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C4D39F.FE523E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See the faq on the electrixpro.com web site. Ther's a description about syncronizing two rptr. Bye fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: snafu=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 5:05 AM Subject: can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? can several Electrix Repeaters be synced??? the basic idea is to get = more tracks - so what it should do is, if i hit play/record on either of = the devices they both shoule start and run in perfect sync. if yes, which sync method would be coolest? i read the repeater has = several sync options... this is one of my last big questions concerning my decission of the = perfect looper for me :-) thanx to everyone who helped me decide... best, simon ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C4D39F.FE523E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See the faq on the = electrixpro.com=20 web site.
Ther's a description = about=20 syncronizing two rptr.
Bye
fabio
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From:=20 snafu
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Subject: can several Electrix = Repeaters=20 be synced???

can several Electrix Repeaters be = synced??? the=20 basic idea is to get more tracks - so what it should do is, if i hit=20 play/record on either of the devices they both shoule start and run in = perfect=20 sync.

if yes, which sync method would be = coolest? i read=20 the repeater has several sync options...

 

 

this is one of my last big questions = concerning my=20 decission of the perfect looper for me :-) thanx to everyone who helped me decide...

 
best, = simon
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C4D39F.FE523E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 04:23:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQ9MG224053; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c4d399$62fd4900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: Unorthodox Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:22:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Zvonar wrote: "I was at this fairly unusual pagan resort called Isis Oasis-all Egyptian themed ,with exotic cats -ocelots and chervils and Burmese fishing cats and all sorts of exotic birds -Empyreans and white peacocks" Yeah, Richard, I've done several gigs at the Rosicrucian Museum in San Jose, California which has a similar vibe. It's a really cool and kind of spooky place to play. They have a pretty decent collection of real artifacts stolen by the Rosicrucians from Egypt. I played faux-middleastern music there (traditional middleastern insturments but augmented by looping/processing and basses/keyboards) and there were beautiful young belly dancers on the gig as well...........all in all, a fairly aesthetic gig for this poor hetero boy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 04:33:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQ9W6R26557; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: Hello everyone Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1a8.2bd5342f.2ed78b83@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:24:19 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.237.20 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <5-Bo-B.A.ldG._fvpBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm an Italian looper, working with keyboards, KP II and the fabulous Electrix Repeater. I'm new member of this list and I think I will enjoy share with you experience and information. Give me your loopin' welcome. eterogeneo download.com/eterogeneo hi Fabio, wonderful music !! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 06:00:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQAwlk09072; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:58:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041126105757.30795.qmail@mx1.aruba.it> X-Remote-IP: 194.184.199.3 References: <200411251905.iAPJ58Z06724@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200411251905.iAPJ58Z06724@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "marco.ronci" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Italian to English Translation for Review Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:57:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen, I'll be glad to translate it for you. Just let me know if you want me to post it on the list (for everybody to read)or not (private e-mail). Ciao Marco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 11:40:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQGc6509092; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:38:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:38:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <75.39267158.2ed8b574@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:36:04 EST Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.39267158.2ed8b574_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_75.39267158.2ed8b574_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyplace where at the end of the gig someone came up and gave you a big bag-o-money!.....now there's a dream for ya!.....:).....crasuss unrealius a.k.a. michael --part1_75.39267158.2ed8b574_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyplace where at th= e end of the gig someone came up and gave you a big bag-o-money!.....now the= re's a dream for ya!.....:).....crasuss unrealius a.k.a. michael<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Optima" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"4"><= /HTML> --part1_75.39267158.2ed8b574_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 12:49:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQHmA223127; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:48:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:48:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Vnuk Jr" To: Subject: Which Loopers to keep? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:47:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, By way of introduction my name is Paul Vnuk Jr, I am a musician who specializes in Symphonic-Tribal-Minimalism (which uses lots of live looping). I am also a professional sound designer (Sony/M-Audio). I have checked out this list for years now and know a few folks who frequent here. I am thinning out my collection of loopers of which I have 5 and want to get rid of two. I have a 32 sec Jamman, Boomerang +, Line 6 echopro, EH 16 sec (reissue) and an Electrix Repeater. Of these which three would you keep? Which two would you dump and why/why not? Thanks for your input. Paul Vnuk www.majale.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 13:05:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQI3vx28136; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:03:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:03:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A76FD9.909@biink.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:03:05 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Which Loopers to keep? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Vnuk Jr wrote: >Hello, > >By way of introduction my name is Paul Vnuk Jr, I am a musician who >specializes in Symphonic-Tribal-Minimalism (which uses lots of live >looping). I am also a professional sound designer (Sony/M-Audio). I have >checked out this list for years now and know a few folks who frequent here. > >I am thinning out my collection of loopers of which I have 5 and want to get >rid of two. > >I have a 32 sec Jamman, > It's old. Old things die sometimes. >Boomerang +, > Footprint is too big. >Line 6 echopro, > I use two DL4s, I like those. >EH 16 sec (reissue) > Looks like fun, but I already have the DL4s >and >an Electrix Repeater. > > Don't know 'bout that one. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 13:46:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQIj6h03650; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:45:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:45:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Which Loopers to keep? 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HI Paul= ,

I would keep the repeater,is a rare treasure= ,and the Jamman...the DL4 is nice...i agree with the size of the boomerang.= ..
 
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From: "Paul Vnuk Jr" <pvnuk= @wi.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:47:18 -0600
To: <Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Which Loopers to keep?

H= ello,

By way of introduction my name is Paul Vnuk Jr, I am a musicia= n who
specializes in Symphonic-Tribal-Minimalism (which uses lots of liv= e
looping). I am also a professional sound designer (Sony/M-Audio). I ha= ve
checked out this list for years now and know a few folks who frequent= here.

I am thinning out my collection of loopers of which I have 5 = and want to get
rid of two.

I have a 32 sec Jamman, Boomerang +, = Line 6 echopro, EH 16 sec (reissue) and
an Electrix Repeater.

Of = these which three would you keep? Which two would you dump and why/why
n= ot?

Thanks for your input.

Paul Vnuk
www.majale.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 14:00:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQIxEl07701; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:59:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:59:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:54:44 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Which Loopers to keep? In-Reply-To: <20041126184451.ACFA9394D@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am thinning out my collection of loopers of which I have 5 and want to > get rid of two. > I have a 32 sec Jamman, Boomerang +, Line 6 echopro, EH 16 sec (reissue) > and an Electrix Repeater. Of these which three would you keep? Which two would you dump and why/why not? If you're getting rid of two my choices would be dump the EH16 reissue and either the Jamman or the Repeater. Getting rid of the EH16 is a no brainer IMO. It's got that horrid count in, a click track that is useless, and it forces you to conform to it's beat not the other way around. If I hadn't spent so much on mine (still MIB in box after a few trials banging my head on it and a friends) I'd dump mine. I can't wait for these to become collectable so I can buy something that I give a damn about. The 2nd choice is a bit tougher and depends on what you want to do. I'd keep the boomerang because it's your only all-in-one floor unit. The Line 6 Echo is the most flexible delay of the lot. If you need to store loops and need a lot fo time then I'd say keep the Electrix. If you want a dead simple easy to use unit only then I'd say keep the Jamman. FWIW I used a DL4 (pedal) as my main live looper now. I got the new EH16 reissue with high hopes but it's been a big disapointment in the looping world (although as a F*&%#ed up delay unit it is quite cool I admit). Hope that helps ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 18:15:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQNCis27456; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:12:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:12:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C4D3D2.8FD5C180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C4D3D2.8FD5C180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before anyone reads on, the following is my own subjective perspective on these works and style of playing; I'm not making any objective claims about the essence of the works themselves, Robert Fripp, or musicians who play in a similar fusion. This is my own personal, emotive fashion to stir some online conversation. I just finished listening to Fripp's live soundscapes "Radiophonics" and "A Blessing of Tears." I have all of Fripp's works from King Crimson, and I have been a great admirer of his playing for years.one can even hear Frippisms in some of my own playing. He is an amazing guitarist with great discipline and a unique outlook on music. However, with all due respect to the man and guitarist, I'm not at all impressed with these particular works. I find them dull and uninspiring. I even read through his academic discourse in the CD insert.still, no greater appreciation of what he is doing. I'm sure the CD would make an outstanding soundtrack for a sci-fi or art film, but as standalone works, I think they totally misrepresent Fripp's caliber as a musician and composer. My contention is basically that every song sounds so similar to me, and there is no real interesting melody work to give each song an identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg to differ, but as a listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song as having a unique or strong musical fingerprint or personality. It sounds like stereotypical synth ambient music to me.a great cake, but no icing on top. And this isn't my response to just Fripp's work. Other ambient works do the same thing to me, even a small few of my own works that are pretty much gear/looping masturbation with no melodic/harmonic significance. Hence, my criticism applies my own playing as well on occasion. I can easily put myself to sleep with my own playing/looping if I want to take that path. Has anyone seen Fripp play these soundscapes live? What is the crowd doing while he is playing? Reading books, playing chess, doing cross-work puzzles, having sex in the restroom stalls, etc? ;) Okay, I'm going to take a long nap now and see what kind of rat hole I've created... ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C4D3D2.8FD5C180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears

Before anyone reads on, the following = is my own subjective perspective on these works and style of playing; = I'm not making any objective claims about the essence of the works = themselves, Robert Fripp, or musicians who play in a similar = fusion.  This is my own personal, emotive fashion to stir some = online conversation.

I just finished listening to Fripp's = live soundscapes "Radiophonics" and "A Blessing of = Tears."  I have all of Fripp's works from King Crimson, and I = have been a great admirer of his playing for years…one can even = hear Frippisms in some of my own playing.  He is an amazing = guitarist with great discipline and a unique outlook on = music.

However, with all due respect to the = man and guitarist, I'm not at all impressed with these particular = works.  I find them dull and uninspiring.  I even read through = his academic discourse in the CD insert…still, no greater = appreciation of what he is doing.   I'm sure the CD would make = an outstanding soundtrack for a sci-fi or art film, but as standalone = works, I think they totally misrepresent Fripp's caliber as a musician = and composer.

My contention is basically that every = song sounds so similar to me, and there is no real interesting melody = work to give each song an identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg = to differ, but as a listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song as = having a unique or strong musical fingerprint or personality.  It = sounds like stereotypical synth ambient music to me…a great cake, = but no icing on top.  And this isn't my response to just Fripp's = work.  Other ambient works do the same thing to me, even a small = few of my own works that are pretty much gear/looping masturbation with = no melodic/harmonic significance. Hence, my criticism applies my own = playing as well on occasion.  I can easily put myself to sleep with = my own playing/looping if I want to take that path.

Has anyone seen Fripp play these = soundscapes live? What is the crowd doing while he is playing? Reading = books, playing chess, doing cross-work puzzles, having sex in the = restroom stalls, etc? ;)

Okay, I'm going to take a long nap = now and see what kind of rat hole I've created...

********************************* =
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com


------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C4D3D2.8FD5C180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 18:26:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAQNPAW29830; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A7BB47.5040300@biink.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:24:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: info@krispenhartung.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears References: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4ZO0vC.A.dRH.Jt7pBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > Before anyone reads on, the following is my own subjective perspective > on these works and style of playing; I'm not making any objective > claims about the essence of the works themselves, Robert Fripp, or > musicians who play in a similar fusion. This is my own personal, > emotive fashion to stir some online conversation. > > I just finished listening to Fripp's live soundscapes "Radiophonics" > and "A Blessing of Tears." I have all of Fripp's works from King > Crimson, and I have been a great admirer of his playing for years…one > can even hear Frippisms in some of my own playing. He is an amazing > guitarist with great discipline and a unique outlook on music. > A Blessing of Tears is amazing, > My contention is basically that every song sounds so similar to me, > and there is no real interesting melody work to give each song an > identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg to differ, but as a > listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song as having a unique or > strong musical fingerprint or personality. It sounds like > stereotypical synth ambient music to me… > but he should give up the synth. I did. Worked for me. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 19:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR0BBc06072; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:10:19 -0700 Message-ID: <00db01c4d415$7aea1760$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41A7BB47.5040300@biink.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My contention is basically that every song sounds so similar to me, > and there is no real interesting melody work to give each song an > identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg to differ, but as a > listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song as having a unique or > strong musical fingerprint or personality. It sounds like > stereotypical synth ambient music to me. > but he should give up the synth. >> I did. >>Worked for me. Very interesting comment, David. I'd like to see your elaboration on this. I think I know where you are going with it. I gave up the synth as well, several years ago....the hex-pickup variety that is. I still use a synth-like algorithm in my effect unit...but for the most part I try to get all I can out of the natural guitar sound and effect alterations. Kris -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 19:50:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR0nHg14221; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:49:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F5EC07A-400E-11D9-8BD3-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:48:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAR0mfa14093 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 26, 2004, at 5:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > However, with all due respect to the man and guitarist, I'm not at all > impressed with these particular works.  I find them dull and > uninspiring.  I even read through his academic discourse in the CD > insert…still, no greater appreciation of what he is doing.   I'm sure > the CD would make an outstanding soundtrack for a sci-fi or art film, > but as standalone works, I think they totally misrepresent Fripp's > caliber as a musician and composer. > > My contention is basically that every song sounds so similar to me, > and there is no real interesting melody work to give each song an > identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg to differ, but as a > listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song as having a unique or > strong musical fingerprint or personality.  It sounds like > stereotypical synth ambient music to me…a great cake, but no icing on > top.  And this isn't my response to just Fripp's hmm. that's funny, Radiophonics and A Blessing Of Tears are two of the most near-and-dear albums to me. it may be an acquired taste for most people, but i for some reason took to it like a duck to water. and before you pass judgement upon me as a "stereotypical synth ambient" musician or (gasp) Fripp-worshipper, let me add that i am a gigging soul organist who cannot live to gig without his Hammond and Leslies. btw, i'd like to know what "stereotypical synth ambient" music is, because i ain't heard NOTHIN' like those Fripp albums. Ciani, Rich, Roach, Vir Unis ... none of those people sound like Bob. i don't believe the point to these albums is to impress you with melodicism or song-based composition. these are textural works, and quite monochromatic at times. about the closest relative they have in "prog rock" would be the early beat-less Tangerine Dream albums and the textural portions of early period rhythmic Tangerine Dream. Fripp would not like this comparison i'm sure, but they both are very influenced by Ligeti. TD used three Mellotrons with three hands on keys and three hands on pitch controls to do what Fripp does/did(?) with looping and the Eventides (the H3000 could easily be referred to as Ligeti-In-A-Box, considering many of the presets duplicate elements of Atmospheres and Requiem). both approaches are equally interesting to me. i only have two hands, so i own an H3000. hahaha. i own every proper King Crimson album and rock the fuck out to The League of Gentlemen CDs i have, but his soundscapes CDs are the ones which "speak" to me in the most emotional manner i've seen out of the man. as far as "leaving the synth behind", he did that. those albums were made with my favourite of the soundscapes rigs; GR-300, Sansamp PSA-1, TC2290s, Eventide H3000SE, and some generic Korg multi-effects. the GR-300 is a for-fucking-real guitar synth, not one of these hex-pickups-into-frequency-to-midi convertor dealies he's using now. i find his tone on these CDs far more "alive" and interesting than his later soundscapisms in the harder and more recent KC albums. i'm am not as much of a fan of the GR-1 Fripp as the GR-300 Fripp. yes, i have seen a soundscapes show. Chicago in 1998 i think. it was a great evening. an hour or 90 minutes of music, and an hour of Q&A. btw, you seem to be echoing alot of comments in reviews of G3 shows this summer: http://www.satriani.com/perl/2004/review-show-all?by=gig&key=236 --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 19:50:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR0oM114600; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:50:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:50:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Bose Personalized Amplification System From: Dion Stewart To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <46AAD3CE-400E-11D9-BEE2-000A27B507F2@visi.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was some discussion on the list about the Bose Personalized Amplification System when it was first announced. Just wondering if anyone on list has actually tried it out or been to gigs where it was in use. If so, what did it sound like? Dio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 20:27:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR1R6M21989; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:27:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:27:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A7D7D6.2050108@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:26:46 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? References: <005e01c4d2b0$8c8ceee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <005e01c4d2b0$8c8ceee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, Yep - I have an idea. I live in Houston. Email me offlist, and let's get you HERE, and you and I (at a minimum) will play a set at the Rothko Chapel. OK - I'm not really sure what it would take to book us there (or even if we *could*), but I'll sure as hell try! Doug loop.pool wrote: > ... > I've also thought it would be an amazing thing to play the Rothko > Chapel someday. > > Any ideas, anyone? > > Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 21:21:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR2K4D31012; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41A7D7D6.2050108@pdq.net> References: <005e01c4d2b0$8c8ceee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41A7D7D6.2050108@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:14:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_uOsu.A.QjH.3Q-pBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:26 PM -0600 11/26/04, Doug Cox wrote: >Rothko Chapel Gorgeous space. I attended a concert there during New Music America '85. There was a spatial instrumental piece by John Celona - each player was located at a different spot on the periphery, playing mostly pulsating long tones as I recall. BTW - do you know the Art Guys? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 26 23:59:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR4wZZ00793; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:58:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.210] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unorthodox Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:57:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 04:58:02.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC9695E0:01C4D43D] Resent-Message-ID: <81Yll.A.iK.hlAqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I was working at Isis Oasis taking care of the cats and birds for awhile.The job didn't pay shit ,but I did it cause I thought the joint was interesting. W/ the Cervils I would stick a chicken neck through the mesh and while they were busy w/ that ( about 2.5 seconds ,literally) I would open the cage door and put the foodplate in.Getting it back out was more difficult.The male Cervils and Ocelots had figured out the entropic value of pissing on the metal of the cage.They would keep doing it and as it rusted and got weaker they would try and break through-not to escape,to fight So I had to regularly check,and repair the cages,While I would be fixing a section the male cervils would stay right next to me on the other side,with amazingly unwavering attention they would communicate their clear intention to rip my throat out. The ocelots liked to play with humans but were also really commited to psychological warfare w/ the cervils. I did play music there too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 00:22:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR5KQQ06017; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.210] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1f1.2f613216.2ed76d39@aol.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:19:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 05:20:01.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE846680:01C4D440] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've recorded in a silo before.One of the modern ones that looks like a giant brake fluid can it was great, you could sing chords in there,like natural looping. There' a guy in Seattle Tacoma area ,Stewart Dempster -experimental trombonist..I'm fairly certain he was the first to work with a didgeridoo in the US-He was doing it in the late 70s.He's got a recording called Live from the Cistern Chapel recorded in an old cistern in N.Washington. I was in a subway staion in Montreal once that had very strange acoustic properties.A wide low dome.From the center you could hear the sounds from all around the edges.I played flute in there and could get this effect of the sound going to the top and sort of spiralling down the sides and mushrooming from the center bottom back up to the top,but from midway between the center and outer wall you couldn't hear it ,just on the edge or center. I've always wanted to perform or record in museums -like the Anthropological museum in Mexico City. I tried to play flute in the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake,but they wouldn't let me.They were extremely,genuinely polite about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 00:26:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR5PK207348; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.210] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:23:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 05:24:02.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E8D43A0:01C4D441] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greek Theater in Berkley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 00:40:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR5cKM12074; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:38:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.210] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:37:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 05:38:01.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[424CE710:01C4D443] Resent-Message-ID: <4QZq1B.A.Z6C.ALBqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is Jarre at the Pyramid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 00:41:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR5bL011387; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:37:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:37:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.210] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:36:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 05:37:00.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E395E30:01C4D443] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course the Grateful Dead played at the Great Pyramid,and Owsley did some kind of set up with sound in the chamber.I beleive they played that hall at MIT too. I think Jean Michel Jarre played there as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 00:41:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR5cLi12088; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.210] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:37:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 05:38:01.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[423603B0:01C4D443] Resent-Message-ID: <2GF7N.A.46C.ALBqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course the Grateful Dead played at the Great Pyramid,and Owsley did some kind of set up with sound in the chamber.I beleive they played that hall at MIT too. I think Jean Michel Jarre played there as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 00:52:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR5plW14771; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:51:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:51:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A815E9.8030600@finleysound.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:51:37 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears References: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Has anyone seen Fripp play these soundscapes live? What is the crowd doing while he is playing? Reading books, playing chess, doing cross-work puzzles, having sex in the restroom stalls, etc? ;)
I saw Fripp perform in SF early '97.  Horrible venue for Soundscapes.  Don't remember the name of the "club", but it was basically a bar.  I got the impression that half of the people knew what to expect (Soundscapes) while the other half thought it was going to be a Fripp shred fest.  The later half nearly ruined the show for those of us who really came to *listen* to the music.

Matt

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 02:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR7AHl27355; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:10:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:10:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:09:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3F38EDC0-4043-11D9-8E64-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, November 26, 2004, at 09:37 PM, samba - wrote: > Of course the Grateful Dead played at the Great Pyramid,and Owsley > did some kind of set up with sound in the chamber.I beleive they > played that hall at MIT too. I think Jean Michel Jarre played there as > well. > > > As did Sun Ra... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 03:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAR8BNP05742; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:11:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.202.159] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:48:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 07:49:00.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ED244B0:01C4D455] Resent-Message-ID: <_wcifB.A.LZB.daDqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Ra played at the Pyramid?!! where can I get the recording? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 05:16:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARAEhJ03998; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:14:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TOFNSbm3rN9Lu/fky4ibbvp2kB5xEh8IN5EG1AmzWcMTN0u7+bhLrkHRRpysZZZXC6PzOpD2DhSmgnrgehtGrztNX06fsapF8hnv6U5vGmILJdTzI/btR48dSiGCy1J4yTOyeS/lxsiNwa0UlgZHlJAlyNRDyRnezIZA6DboNtA= ; Message-ID: <20041127101407.86888.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41A815E9.8030600@finleysound.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i think the quality of the sound is the most important live factor for what he is doing.I saw him at the belly up tavern in solana beach,i just love the place i never experienced a bad sounding concert there( oh well, in fact i do it was Ginger Baker doing a 20 minute drum solo and screaming at his soundman for not getting a monitor sound)But Robertīs soundscapes sounded incredible almost 3D,better than on the CD.I guess it also had to do with the vibe,candles lit up,a spiritual mood and everybody was really quite and listened. Luis --- "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: --------------------------------- Has anyone seen Fripp play these soundscapes live? What isthe crowd doing while he is playing? Reading books, playing chess, doingcross-work puzzles, having sex in the restroom stalls, etc? ;)I saw Fripp perform in SF early '97. Horrible venue for Soundscapes. Don'tremember the name of the "club", but it was basically a bar. I got the impressionthat half of the people knew what to expect (Soundscapes) while the otherhalf thought it was going to be a Fripp shred fest. The later half nearlyruined the show for those of us who really came to *listen* to the music. Matt -- signature King Never www.finleysound.com/kingnever ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 07:01:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARBxvD25598; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4D477.F3A6B6C4" Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:55:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Thread-Index: AcTUaVn/d4S0zjfQQ6Gu5PhkQ+LlvwADX5dN From: "Reinaldo Perez" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D477.F3A6B6C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was involved in Guitar Craft and shared the task of organizing a show = of RF's at Washington Square Church in NYC a few years back. Sound is = an important aspect for him but he is quite sensitive to and = appreciative of the quality of attention that an audience gives. He has = expressed that the performer and the audience both contribute to the = quality of the music and peformance. Reni -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Sat 11/27/2004 5:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc:=09 Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Yes i think the quality of the sound is the most important live factor for what he is doing.I saw him at the belly up tavern in solana beach,i just love the place i never experienced a bad sounding concert there( oh well, in fact i do it was Ginger Baker doing a 20 minute drum solo and screaming at his soundman for not getting a monitor sound)But Robert=B4s soundscapes sounded incredible almost 3D,better than on the CD.I guess it also had to do with the vibe,candles lit up,a spiritual mood and everybody was really quite and listened. Luis --- "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: --------------------------------- Has anyone seen Fripp play these soundscapes live? What isthe crowd doing while he is playing? Reading books, playing chess, doingcross-work puzzles, having sex in the restroom stalls, etc? ;)I saw Fripp perform in SF early '97. Horrible venue for Soundscapes.=20 Don'tremember the name of the "club", but it was basically a bar. I got the impressionthat half of the people knew what to expect (Soundscapes) while the otherhalf thought it was going to be a Fripp shred fest. The later half nearlyruined the show for those of us who really came to *listen* to the music. Matt --=20 signature =20 King Never www.finleysound.com/kingnever=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.luis-angulo.com =09 =09 __________________________________=20 Do you Yahoo!?=20 Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. 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References: <75.39267158.2ed8b574@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------443F0FD1773430A22F6A8694" X-ID: VOKF8BZcZeOej6JdHD1101Nti2vFyqIvW1gDgW4ONIlLj9J-O5UXU0 X-TOI-MSGID: 3c517854-93b6-4b30-bf76-ef4c6ec797ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------443F0FD1773430A22F6A8694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit big bag-o-money is of course also a dream Venue and if possible every day.....;-) besides all wonderful venues,locations and situations- my one and only dream venue is an underwater location. Maybe possible with a submarine Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: > anyplace where at the end of the gig someone came up and gave you a > big bag-o-money!.....now there's a dream for ya!.....:).....crasuss > unrealius a.k.a. michael --------------443F0FD1773430A22F6A8694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit big bag-o-money is of course also a dream Venue and if possible every day.....;-)

besides all wonderful venues,locations and situations- my one and only dream venue is an underwater location.
Maybe possible with a submarine

Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb:

anyplace where at the end of the gig someone came up and gave you a big bag-o-money!.....now there's a dream for ya!.....:).....crasuss unrealius a.k.a. michael
--------------443F0FD1773430A22F6A8694-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 08:26:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARDOad10847; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:24:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:24:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A88001.5010502@biink.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:24:17 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I'll be a bit more specific: Fripp shouldn't use synths for soundscapes, I don't like the way they sound. And...I'm only refering to his looping. After all, this IS loopers delight. I also own quite a bit of his work and have heard him play in person many times. King Crimson - 7 times (6 of those in the early '80s) Frippertonics - 2x in the '80s, New Brunswick & Princeton Soundscapes - Washington Sq. Church and so many times at the WFCenter I lost count. and a pair of Crafty shows in a pear tree. Frippertonics -> amazing. I wish he would go back to analog equipment. Same goes for his synths. Now I must pack, so I can drive my middle aged mobile intelligent unit into town and play loops at DMG this evening. If you're in NYC this evening, please stop by. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 08:48:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARDlkL18258; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A88572.7080407@biink.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:47:30 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears References: <00db01c4d415$7aea1760$6401a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <00db01c4d415$7aea1760$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen Hartung wrote: >Very interesting comment, David. I'd like to see your elaboration on >this. I think I know where you are going with it. I gave up the synth >as well, several years ago....the hex-pickup variety that is. I still >use a synth-like algorithm in my effect unit...but for the most part I >try to get all I can out of the natural guitar sound and effect >alterations. > > I stopped playing synths because I started playing guitars again. I was really just referring to Fripp & synths. Fripp & digital synths = not cool. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 08:49:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARDm3t18382; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:48:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:48:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41A88207.8080302@biink.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:32:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears References: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> <0F5EC07A-400E-11D9-8BD3-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <0F5EC07A-400E-11D9-8BD3-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > i'm am not as much of a fan of the GR-1 Fripp as the GR-300 Fripp. > I agree. > > btw, you seem to be echoing alot of comments in reviews of G3 shows > this summer: > http://www.satriani.com/perl/2004/review-show-all?by=gig&key=236 I don't even want to look. Those comments are coming from a someone who would go to a G3 show. I wouldn't. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 10:22:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARFJpb08617; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:19:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:19:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.40] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <00db01c4d415$7aea1760$6401a8c0@khartung> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics (To Synth or not to Synth) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:18:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 15:19:02.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE03DA0:01C4D494] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys n gals its Phill Aka Lol C Aka Blackface etc. after a long hard road with getting chucked out of this group with my previous address I have changed to a new account just for this list and so far it all seems to be going roses. I wanted to chime in on this one because it is probably one of the biggest questions that i have been asking myself latley,(should I allow myself to get into synths) i cant belive I have not brought the topic to this forum before. to my mind this debate of whether to use a synth fx unit or whether I stick to creating all my sounds using just a guitar begins with me asking the question of why I loop in the first place, to eleborate, if you want to do so many things why not get a band or at least a precussionist or something. part of the reason that I always stop just short of buying a guitar synth is that a LARGE part of the reason i loop is that this paradigm creates an element of limitation, synths and so on seem to offer such a large range of sound tweaks and so on that i think i would spend so much time playing with the pallette, of sounds available I may never actually loop. another of my problems with synths is that the reason I loop is that it is somehow "real" and "live", I am comfortable with what I know about it and how I can justifiy it to others if they are interested. I can show people how this is all done by one person in realtime without the use of samples or whatever (its not that I dont like samples , its just that within my own paradigm I would have to think........ well, if you use a sample of drums why not get a drum machine, which is only one step away from a sequencer and a drum machine on a laptop which is only one step from a drum machine a sequence and some orchestration, then i would think why not do a backing track and before you know it you are a karioke artist not a looper......... ) sorry that all kind of burst out, hope you see what I mean though, all those things are useful to some people some of the time, but I think I am scared of where that first step of buying a synth might lead. I think that I need to set my self some boundrys within which to work, this also has implications for normal gig settings too, I already write stuff at home that uses so many different pedal combinations that I have to start from the bottom up and rbuild before I have a song that is usable on the road sort of speak, I think this might also get worse if I added other stuff a guitar synth, a real synth for that matter or even a pair of bongos, all of this would in one hand make my life simpler by giving my easy access to things that i have to be very creative to achieve with my current sound setup, but would also paradoxically complicate my setup by adding in more floorspace/another input/wallwart/if its a live instrument anothe rmic and more risk of feedback etc.......... I think you will be able to tell by this ramble just how confused I am about this, but hopefully if you all chime in I might reply with what I feel in a few days time!!! Bye for now Phill >From: "Krispen Hartung" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:10:19 -0700 > > > My contention is basically that every song sounds so similar to me, > > and there is no real interesting melody work to give each song an > > identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg to differ, but as a > > listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song as having a unique or > > strong musical fingerprint or personality. It sounds like > > stereotypical synth ambient music to me. > > >but he should give up the synth. > > >> I did. > > >>Worked for me. > >Very interesting comment, David. I'd like to see your elaboration on >this. I think I know where you are going with it. I gave up the synth >as well, several years ago....the hex-pickup variety that is. I still >use a synth-like algorithm in my effect unit...but for the most part I >try to get all I can out of the natural guitar sound and effect >alterations. > >Kris > >-- >* David Beardsley >* microtonal guitar >* http://biink.com/db > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 11:48:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARGlkV27362; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c4d4a0$c3b39a80$43945545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <75.39267158.2ed8b574@aol.com> <41A8EC84.93162C8E@t-online.de> Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:47:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4D45D.B4A55E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4D45D.B4A55E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The small dome at the UCSC Lick Observatory on Mt. Hamilton. We played = acoustically, but the round shape of the structure and presence of the = telescope in the room was amazing. You could hear very soft sounds from = anywhere in the room. Very surreal. - Miko ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Martin Tauchen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? big bag-o-money is of course also a dream Venue and if possible every = day.....;-)=20 besides all wonderful venues,locations and situations- my one and only = dream venue is an underwater location.=20 Maybe possible with a submarine=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb:=20 anyplace where at the end of the gig someone came up and gave you a = big bag-o-money!.....now there's a dream for ya!.....:).....crasuss = unrealius a.k.a. michael ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4D45D.B4A55E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The small dome at the UCSC Lick = Observatory on Mt.=20 Hamilton. We played acoustically, but the round shape of the structure = and=20 presence of the telescope in the room was amazing. You could hear very = soft=20 sounds from anywhere in the room. Very surreal. - Miko
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Martin=20 Tauchen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 27, = 2004 1:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: Dream Looping = Venues?

big bag-o-money is of course also a dream Venue and if = possible=20 every day.....;-)=20

besides all wonderful venues,locations and situations- my one and = only=20 dream venue is an underwater location.
Maybe possible with a = submarine=20

Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: =

anyplace where at the end of the gig someone came up and = gave you a=20 big bag-o-money!.....now there's a dream for ya!.....:).....crasuss=20 unrealius a.k.a.=20 michael
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4D45D.B4A55E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:07:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARH5lp32381; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <104.557f68d2.2eda0dd9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:05:29 EST Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics (To Synth or not to Synth) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.557f68d2.2eda0dd9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_104.557f68d2.2eda0dd9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang, I own all of the Fripp "Soundscape" CDs. Some I like more than=20 others. I'm a fan, but hardly a disciple. Much like listening to=20 anything that's a little "different" they're an acquired taste.=20 I find each disk has it's place and its own charms. I wouldn't=20 want to listen to 5 or 6 albums straight of anybody, let alone=20 Bob Fripp. I've got about 225 hours of music on my iTunes=20 playlist on random play. And, I do enjoy the odd Soundscape that pops up every day or two. The Radiophonics and the November Suite=20 CD tracks are favorites. Also, forgive me if I am wrong, I was never positive that there was=20 ANY synth on those CDs. I always though it was all high-falutin'=20 and very convoluted multi-Eventide processing -- not to say that=20 there's ANYTHING wrong with guitar synth. I use one myself.=20 Both of my guitars have hex pickups on them and I am rather=20 happy with the results I've gotten so far -- even from a lowly, out-of-date GR-1. Of course, I hardly ever use the synth tones on their own. 95% of the time I use them they're just "ghosted"=20 behind the main analogue guitar signal.=20 To each their own. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_104.557f68d2.2eda0dd9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang,

I own all of the Fripp "Soundscape" CDs. Some I like more than
others. I'm a fan, but hardly a disciple. Much like listening to
anything that's a little "different" they're an acquired taste.
I find each disk has it's place and its own charms. I wouldn't
want to listen to 5 or 6 albums straight of anybody, let alone
Bob Fripp. I've got about 225 hours of music on my iTunes
playlist on random play. And, I do enjoy the odd Soundscape that
pops up every day or two. The Radiophonics and the November Suite
CD tracks are favorites.

Also, forgive me if I am wrong, I was never positive that there was
ANY synth on those CDs. I always though it was all high-falutin'
and very convoluted multi-Eventide processing -- not to say that
there's ANYTHING wrong with guitar synth. I use one myself.
Both of my guitars have hex pickups on them and I am rather
happy with the results I've gotten so far -- even from a lowly,
out-of-date GR-1. Of course, I hardly ever use the synth tones
on their own. 95% of the time I use them they're just "ghosted"
behind the main analogue guitar signal.

To each their own.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_104.557f68d2.2eda0dd9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARH4xK32247; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:04:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:04:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:04:38 +0100 Subject: Berlin Concert From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3184423479_129735_MIME_Part" X-ID: Ttzq6wZdQe-uc+SE6n9RbTTL3U87aMCwfRZ27JWvMoj87aY6R2T0sG X-TOI-MSGID: c86d17f3-66ad-4a19-b01e-1850c4ac0380 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3184423479_129735_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, there is a nice concert with mucho looping content coming up in Berlin this coming Monday, November 29th, 8 p.m. at the BKA am Mehringdamm (in good old Kreuzberg). Udo Agnesens piano+synths David Althammer interactive live video Sabine Dieterle saxophone, ewi=A0 Andreas Willers guitar, devices+loopage Jayrope knobs, buttons+loopage Musicians from vastly different backgrounds, improvs, concepts and encounters with a far out "video organ" called Mrs. Zippy should make for a fun evening. The programm is aptly titled "Wieviel Musik ist gesund?" That sort of means: how much music is good for your health? or maybe: how much sound can you stand without getting sick? We don't really plan to make anybody throw up, tho.... Greetings, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3184423479_129735_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Berlin Concert Hi everybody,

there is a nice concert with mucho looping content coming up in Berlin this= coming Monday, November 29th, 8 p.m. at the BKA am Mehringdamm (in good old= Kreuzberg).

Udo Agnesens piano+synths David= Althammer interactive live video
Sabine Dieterle saxophone, ewi=A0 Andreas Willers guitar, devic= es+loopage Jayrope knobs, buttons+loopage

Musicians from vastly different backgrounds, improvs, concepts and e= ncounters with a far out "video organ" called Mrs. Zippy should ma= ke for a fun evening. The programm is aptly titled "Wieviel Musik ist g= esund?" That sort of means: how much music is good for your health? or = maybe: how much sound can you stand without getting sick? We don't really pl= an to make anybody throw up, tho....

Greetings, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3184423479_129735_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:07:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARH74D32610; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41A8EC84.93162C8E@t-online.de> References: <75.39267158.2ed8b574@aol.com> <41A8EC84.93162C8E@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:06:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:07 PM -0800 11/27/04, Martin Tauchen wrote: >my one and only dream venue is an underwater location. >Maybe possible with a submarine French composer Michel Redolfi is known for his underwater concerts. I attended one held in a swimming pool in San Diego, though he also has done them in natural settings. http://www.redolfi-music.com/index_n.htm# -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:16:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARHExa02646; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:14:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:14:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <126.510d72bb.2eda0fe8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:14:16 EST Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.510d72bb.2eda0fe8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_126.510d72bb.2eda0fe8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In a message dated 11/26/04 21:20:18, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: > Anthropological museum in Mexico City >=20 Another nice place. I lived and went to school in Mexico City and spent many an afternoon there and in Chapultapec Park. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_126.510d72bb.2eda0fe8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

In a message dated 11/26/04 21:20:18, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes:

Anthropological museu= m in Mexico City

Another nice place. I lived and went to school in Mexico City
and spent many an afternoon there and in Chapultapec Park.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_126.510d72bb.2eda0fe8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:22:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARHLXL04017; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:20:04 EST Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d.38304028.2eda1144_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d.38304028.2eda1144_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, In a message dated 11/26/04 18:19:56, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > >Rothko Chapel >=20 I looked this up online. How cool. Rothko was always a favorite too. I've always been an Ab-Ex sort of guy.Heheh. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_d.38304028.2eda1144_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow,

In a message dated 11/26/04 18:19:56, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:

>Rothko Chapel

I looked this up online. How cool. Rothko was always a favorite
too. I've always been an Ab-Ex sort of guy.Heheh.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_d.38304028.2eda1144_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:25:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARHNsG04679; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:23:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:23:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:23:37 -0700 Message-ID: <010601c4d4a5$d50678c0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <0F5EC07A-400E-11D9-8BD3-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thread is starting to get fun...now I see lots of detours and tangents.... --- Eric Williamson wrote: > btw, i'd like to know what "stereotypical synth ambient" music is, because i ain't heard NOTHIN' like those Fripp albums. Ciani, Rich, Roach, Vir Unis ... none of those people sound like Bob. By stereotypical ambient music I mean the predominance of textures, chords, layers of strung out tones, etc. I'm not saying Fripp's CDs fall into the ambient genre per se, because I admire anyone who improvises in real time and I think this aspect of his works set them aside from most ambient music, but there are common sonic elements in those two CDs and the majority of ambient sound clips I hear. I mean, how many thousands of songs out there start with an upwelling string like pad or synth patch and start to layer similar tones and textures. One has to admit that this is not an entirely innovative technique, regardless of who is doing it. I'm not going to bow down to a set of CDs just because it is live Fripp. I'm going to compare his music with the rest of the music out there, and in that respect I don't hear anything original or inspiring (to me). Like Ted said, each to his own...I simply find most of the songs on those soundscapes CD boring, mainly because I've heard that style of playing used so much. It seems overused to me. Good grief, am I the only only here that notices this? What if some unknown guy came out and did this? What he get as much attention as Fripp? > yes, i have seen a soundscapes show. Chicago in 1998 i think. it was a great evening. an hour or 90 minutes of music, and an hour of Q&A. Q&A is cool. I would like to have been there for that. > btw, you seem to be echoing alot of comments in reviews of G3 shows this summer: http://www.satriani.com/perl/2004/review-show-all?by=gig&key=236 Interesting. I see them, such as ""First Robbert Fripp performed. I must say, I wasen't impressed at all. Sorry, but to me it seemed as he was playing a keyboard". But of course, I seeing a lot of "shreaders" listed like Malmsteem, John Pattucci, Malcalpine, Vai...good grief, from texured soundscapes to this...that seems like night and day. When I was 19, I would have loved the shreaders....now Fripp would have been my favorite hands down. That seems like an unfair lineup for Fripp. Moreover, playing scales and arpeggios at mind numbing speeds is no more interesting to me than playing chords and textures for 10 minutes straight. But I guess it is all about the intention of the artist. If an artist intends X, and plays X, but I happen to not like the sound of X, the artist has still accomplished his goal successfully. And not liking X does not entail not appreciating X, for I certainly appreciate and understand what Fripp is trying to get across. ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 12:55:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARHrga10223; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:53:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:53:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:52:04 -0700 Message-ID: <010901c4d4a9$ce4b4f20$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000801c4d463$0f5fe490$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 2:26 AM To: info@krispenhartung.com Subject: AW: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears ******** Krispen, you said: However, with all due respect to the man and guitarist, I'm not at all impressed with these particular works. I find them dull and uninspiring. I even read through his academic discourse in the CD insert.still, no greater appreciation of what he is doing. I'm sure the CD would make an outstanding soundtrack for a sci-fi or art film, but as standalone works, I think they totally misrepresent Fripp's caliber as a musician and composer. perhaps it's just the other way round - the King Crimson material misrepresents Fripp's caliber as a musician and composer? Rainer ********* Could be! I guess I'm being too hard on Fripp's CDs here. I often fall victim of measuring my taste in music by 1) how innovative or unique the harmonic/melodic structure is (relative to what has been done prior) and 2) the technical ability involved. It is a bias, I admit, and often an impediment. My first impression with a lot of this textured music is that...hmmm.... I think thousands of guitarists, including myself, could probably sit down with the same gear and play something similar....and most likely thousands of guitarist who don't have a fraction of the raw talent and ability as Fripp. So, taken "in its self" what is so special about this one? The technical aspect is not that taxing, and neither is the innovativeness in my mind. I suppose if he had done all those with a raw guitar sound rather than thousands of dollars of processing, I might have jumped out of my seat with intrigue. Hence, the effort seems standard. Back to the painter analogy, it is like any painter sitting down and painting a very commonplace abstract landscape...some backdrop and wash...a few colorful streaks here, some metallic speckles there....ta da...pure art! But does the painting have some unique personality? Scrutinized relative to other works, is it offering something new and annotative? If some unknown artist paints this landscape...it gets thrown in the basement...if some artist genius with a huge name paints it, all of a sudden it is pure genius. Yet, I sometimes contradict myself if my above comments are taken as a generalism. Because there some soundscape that I really enjoy to help me relax or focus. For instance, I'm not sure if any of you have heard Michael Peter's stretched landspaces, but I have a copy of that CD and absolutely love to work to it. It puts me in a very peaceful state of mind. I liked it so much, I created a music video DVD of it and his computer art work. I wasn't compelled to do this with Fripp's soundscapes, so I guess MUCH personal preference, intersubjectivity, and individual nuances are at play here. I like Chai tea...my wife likes Earl Gray. Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 14:54:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARJqhU07443; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:52:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.34] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:51:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 19:52:00.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F5340A0:01C4D4BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a dolphin researcher in Hawaii -Michael Hyson-a Caltech neurophysiologist, who was trying to find funds to set up underwater mic/speeakers for a communication link between wild dolphinsand some captive ones.I was spozed to get the chance to play music through the set up,which never came together.Almost dream gig. We did fool with some underwater speakers in a pool ,ala Redolfi .The cool thing about that is how much you feel the sound with your ahole skin. Being in the water when a humpback sings is really incredible that way. We do experience sound with the whole baody anyway,but that's often not the conscious focus of musicians ,engineers or audiences. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 15:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARKXjJ19303; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:33:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:33:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.34] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Radiophonics and Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:31:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2004 20:32:00.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[25D34A70:01C4D4C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In terms of critique , asking what the artist attempted and whether they accomplished it, I find very useful. Most of the reviews I see , of all sorts ,lack this approach. It's pretty much useless to me when someone says: this is great ,or this is awful etc. I too can be unintersted in work that seems to be less developed than my own technical ability,but I consider this to be a potential mistake.I find it very useful to listen as if I don't know anything about how the sound was produced. As if I'm tasting food.It's wonderful if I can improvise from such frame of mind. Same goes for the To synth or not to synth dilemna. How does it feel as pure sound,without refence to the source? Sometimes banks of effects don't seem at all qualitatively,different than synths subjectively.Sometimes it's hard to tell the differenc.Sometimes we musicians get into this technical orientation that if applied to writers would be something like. Wow he used 357 adjectives and he was typing at 350wpm on a vintage ibm keyboard from back in the day.His placement of commas is much more developed than so n so's. or X's latest book was typeset on a .... Gear discussion is really useful ,and fascinating to me,esp as is often the case on this list,when people discuss the relative strengths and weakneses,and distinguish between studio and performance unctions From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 15:41:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARKf2w20691; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:42 EST Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_df.77e97e6.2eda404a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_df.77e97e6.2eda404a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i saw fripp at a g3 show here in pittsburgh (a dream venue if there ever was one!) and wondered what the buzz was all about.....i recall that he actually smiled and this made me feel better about his curmudgony (sp) press.....i was once a big fan of ambient music, i think i recorded every "music from the hearts of space" show way back when.....as i think back i believe it was the "how do they get these sounds" question that made me interested, the music itself was relaxing and it wasn't rock/jazz/classical.....but after awhile i wondered "where's the beef (beat)".....your cave had to be deeper than mine not to have heard or read about "fippertronics" but other than his work on KC i knew nothing of his music.....i was therefore very excited to go hear him at the g3 show.....a ton-o-toys a great seat tthat he could spin around on a cool lookin guitar much knowledge and yet, the sound coming out of the speakers made me go "so.....".....i wanted to tap my toe but couldn't.....i used to drink scotch in the way back and it was an aquired taste (if you have never done it go sip a single malt and i think you will know what i mean).....perhaps it's an age thing, i don't feel i have the time to "aquire" (go thru the process of puting up with enroute to activly liking a "thing").....there is just too much "stuff" out there.....oy what a time we live in yo.....michael --part1_df.77e97e6.2eda404a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i saw fripp at a g3=20= show here in pittsburgh (a dream venue if there ever was one!) and wondered=20= what the buzz was all about.....i recall that he actually smiled and this ma= de me feel better about his curmudgony (sp) press.....i was once a big fan o= f ambient music, i think i recorded every "music from the hearts of space" s= how way back when.....as i think back i believe it was the "how do they get=20= these sounds" question that made me interested, the music itself was relaxin= g and it wasn't rock/jazz/classical.....but after awhile i wondered "where's= the beef (beat)".....your cave had to be deeper than mine not to have heard= or read about "fippertronics" but other than his work on KC i knew nothing=20= of his music.....i was therefore very excited to go hear him at the g3 show.= ....a ton-o-toys a great seat tthat he could spin around on a cool lookin gu= itar much knowledge and yet, the sound coming out of the speakers made me go= "so.....".....i wanted to tap my toe but couldn't.....i used to drink scotc= h in the way back and it was an aquired taste (if you have never done it go=20= sip a single malt and i think you will know what i mean).....perhaps it's an= age thing, i don't feel i have the time to "aquire" (go thru the process of= puting up with enroute to activly liking a "thing").....there is just too m= uch "stuff" out there.....oy what a time we live in yo.....michael --part1_df.77e97e6.2eda404a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 15:50:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARKmk022200; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:48:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:48:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:49:50 -0500 Subject: NYC gigspam -- From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve sandberg and todd reynolds will be playing, improvising, and otherwise carrying on at Atmananda Yoga 552 Broadway (and Spring Street) Friday, December 3 at 8:30 p.m. $10 suggested donation 2 sets! looping! singing! violin playing! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 16:59:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARLxSZ02603; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:59:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:59:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c4d4cd$1c2cd1a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:04:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.190.142] at Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:59:13 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems to me the choice of "To Synth or Not To Synth" needs to be broken into two questions: 1) Am I OK / comfortable with producing sounds from something that is called a synthesizer? 2) Do I like the sounds I can create with a synthesizer? Some people have developed a vast array of original and compelling sounds from "non-synth" set-ups. It's a point of pride (and perhaps even practicality) that there is no sythesizing unit creating the source signal. Of course, the difference between using many layers of sound processing and actual "synthesis" is a great question. To others, the chance to create sounds that are absolutely impossible to produce any other way is a great opening and is reason enough. Anyway, I'm probably stating the obvious, but the two issues seem to get mish-mashed together. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 17:10:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARM8vm04432; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UAjcbze4AymA8jXBAsYlEX5cMRWcn5J6FpTsXn0IjV9L0a7N73md+PAmn6kM1JC0XQh5sj4nKyvJ170h9Sq2CNoq8s+K0wF5WI6rD1ZNktdT6mkUc4kK2aGuEq7H+awRwL2hSMphQo3nqKn1dxCvaifpij/c6K4YoXZNzbYijeo= Message-ID: <41A8FAA6.1040003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:07:34 -0800 From: "delighted.looper" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears References: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> <0F5EC07A-400E-11D9-8BD3-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41A88207.8080302@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <41A88207.8080302@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> >> btw, you seem to be echoing alot of comments in reviews of G3 shows >> this summer: >> http://www.satriani.com/perl/2004/review-show-all?by=gig&key=236 > > > I don't even want to look. Those comments are coming from a > someone who would go to a G3 show. > But you are >so< missing out! I quote: "I would say skip Fripp. This is not of the same size as Vai and Satch. The audience also was dissappointed with him and we could not get warmed up, most of the people got bored with it. But when Steve came onstage with the tripleneck-Jem it couldn't be better!!That cleared up everything!" -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 17:11:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARM9xF04765; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Radiophonics and... Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:08:28 -0700 Message-ID: <011501c4d4cd$9fc5a190$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Samba wrote: " In terms of critique , asking what the artist attempted and whether they accomplished it, I find very useful. Most of the reviews I see , of all sorts ,lack this approach. It's pretty much useless to me when someone says: this is great ,or this is awful etc." You mean the "boo-hooray" approach, which is basically an expression of how one feels about a piece of music at the high and non-detailed level, versus an attempt at an objective compare and contrast, or useful analysis. This is a very interesting topic, that of the objective and subjective evaluation of music or art. I don't think I've ever read a formal music review (except for an article in an academic journal) that does not combine both objective and subjective elements, either explicitly or implicitly. Most reviewers can't resist including their own emotive responses to the music, which is fine, but probably not as informative and educational for readers. What I find interesting (speaking of emotive responses!) is when people make subjective claims about music, but dress them up as objective. This is very misleading, but I think a natural outcome of the inadequacy of language. My hypothesis is that the common language we use is not conducive to factually accurate reviews and critiques. For example, when a person says "song x is awful" that could mean: A) "Song X has the objective property of awfulness" (where the term 'is' is ascribing an objective property to sound, similar to measurable properties like duration, frequency, etc) Or B) "Song X makes me feel awful" OR "I don't like song X" I subscribe to a philosophy (not just with music but with other areas) which implies that version A) is meaningless, because "awfulness" is not an objective or factual property, but an indirect way of saying that something makes us feel awful...or that it simply displeases a person. The only factual property in this sense is the person's moods, feelings, thoughts, and psychological states, which aren't empirically verifiable, but only validated by the person who possesses the state. When a person says A) but means B), they don't always clarify this. This is why when I launched this discussion thread, I opened with the line that these were my own subjective responses to the music. I was setting up the context for me to use language that would otherwise be misleading. Because I believe when I say "I think Robert Fripp's soundscapes are boring and uninspiring" I am not making a factual claim about an objective property of Fripp's music or playing, but a factual claim about my reaction to his music or playing. If someone thinks I am making an objective claim about the music, and they happen to possess a more positive emotive reaction to the music, then my claim becomes grounds for dispute - only in that the claim is construed as objective and not emotive. But it is often very awkward to use factually accurate language in art reviews....or this at least appears be the case in the wealth of reviews out there. Version A) above appears to be much more authoritative, yet factually meaningless based on my system of thought. Version B) is like an emotional "show n' tell"...like, "I like blue" or "I like pizza". We don't learn anything about the actual music in itself, only about the listener's reaction to that music. I suppose one is equally as important as the other, but this importance is distorted by the misuse of language. If a person were to go into minute detail of version B), then it starts to sound more like a detailed psychoanalysis rather than a music review. I'm sure I'm probably being overly philosophical here and boring folks to death. I hope to write discourse on this topic one day, a philosophical analysis of music evaluation, applying the system of the "Vienna Circle" and other logical positivists to music critique. There is a wealth of music reviews to use as examples to illustrate the principles. Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com I too can be unintersted in work that seems to be less developed than my own technical ability,but I consider this to be a potential mistake. I find it very useful to listen as if I don't know anything about how the sound was produced. As if I'm tasting food.It's wonderful if I can improvise from such frame of mind. Same goes for the To synth or not to synth dilemna. How does it feel as pure sound,without refence to the source? Sometimes banks of effects don't seem at all qualitatively,different than synths subjectively.Sometimes it's hard to tell the differenc.Sometimes we musicians get into this technical orientation that if applied to writers would be something like. Wow he used 357 adjectives and he was typing at 350wpm on a vintage ibm keyboard from back in the day.His placement of commas is much more developed than so n so's. or X's latest book was typeset on a .... Gear discussion is really useful ,and fascinating to me,esp as is often the case on this list,when people discuss the relative strengths and weakneses,and distinguish between studio and performance unctions From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 18:43:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARNg9A22865; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c4d476$2d890380$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Nilan Perera and Friends Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:42:30 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesday Nights @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom (Toronto) 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 30th - Nilan Perera and Friends This night will be a series of short sets celebrating the release of Nilan Perera's brand new CD "Harmless Love". http://www.sarahpeebles.net/cinn_bio_perera.htm 'kidnextdoor' - sound and text driven improvisations and compositions by Chrisine Duncan and Susannah Hood (voices) and Nilan Perera (voice, guitar, loops) Gurpreet Singh Chana - tabla/percussion solo Rob Clutton - acoustic bass solo Nilan Perera - prepared guitar solo and possibly a trio of the last three artists... Between Sets CD - "Fluidities" by Jonathan Hughes (Foundry) Between each set we'll be spinning various combinations of pieces from this unique 2 CD set on the Ballroom's dual CD player. "Fluidities" was created so that any piece on the CDs could be played alone or with any other track from the album. The tracks are by Hughes and 14 other artists like: Tetsu Inoue, Ian Boddy, Saul Stokes, dreamSTATE, Interstitial, Dean Santomieri and Michael Bentley... Available at ping things... Complete details at: http://foundrysite.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=29 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday December 7th - Arms Full Of Sound Paul Needler aka Arms Full Of Sound, performed at the first PiNG at the Gladstone Hotel (in the Melody Bar) & will be the last performer in our series there - as he presents his "Journey To Ambienta - Part 2". Here's what's in store, in Paul's own words... "Since September, we have all been enjoying our stay on the Journey To Ambientia. It is now time to return from that strange place. On December 7, Arms Full of Sound will help you find your way home. By using the synthesizer cockpit now known as the Synthitone, you will be returned safely while traveling a musical journey of improvised ambient soundscape. Analog and digital synthesizers make up the sound that will transport you into new dimensions in music. Strange, pulsing visuals from the Xandon archives will truly show you what music can be. Join Arms Full Of Sound for the return journey." http://www.phpro.info/afos/main.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Dreamlife" is the fourth release by Sylken, a stunning collection of emotional spaces and beautiful new vistas. Featuring the talents of Sylken founder Eric Hopper & frequent collaborator Steven Sauve, along with guest appearances by cheryl o, Gregory Kyryluk and Wally Jericho, "Dreamlife" is a perfect travelogue for those lands we visit between waking moments. "Night Wings", a collaboration with Gregory Kyryluk of Alpha Wave Movement, begins the disc with notes and melody drifting out of the ether, taking flight, rising above the land and soaring over beautiful new vistas. Simplicity is slowly replaced by a greater complexity as tones shift and metamorphosise. An inspired opening. "First Light Falling" has an almost orchestral feeling to it, an organic element that brings to mind a forest setting, a lush wooded area slowly being revealed to the listener. Sounds grow and swell, melodies flow like water. Beautiful Track three "The Ocean of Dreams" features processed trumpet from Wally Jericho, and is easily my favorite piece on the album. Wally's trumpet work is always a magical thing and this track is no exception. Matched with glistening traces and sparse piano work "The Ocean of Dreams" is a stunning example of the best that the ambient genre has to offer. An absolute gem. "In Astral Flight" is full of stars, a journey through the heavens on gossamer wings. And as with all things beautiful it's all too short, a memory before you've had the chance to really appreciate it's wonder. I like this one alot... "The In Between" is a marvel of backwards development, moving at odds with the progression of time. Metallic tones skirt about the track, bells twinkle intermitantly, nations fall and rise in the course of it's length and when it's over we're left alone once more. cheryl o adds cello to "Sings the Heart", a piece that masterfully blends the sound of the organic and the electronic. Mournful cello leads into percolating synth lines and a looping progression that beguiles the listener. Wonderful. "Adrift in a Sea of Light" is an oblique marvel, a piece that perfectly captures the sense of the tides, the drift of the sea. A marvelous example of aural landscaping, locational sonics. The disc closes with "Vistas", a suggestion that the beauty of dreams can sometimes be found in day to day life just as easily as within our sleep. A crystalline beauty of a song and a fitting way to end the disc. With the release of "Dreamlife" Sylken has once again proven their mastery of the ambient and space music disciplines. A truly wonderful release by some truly wonderful talents, it's a disc that is destined for classic status in the genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances weekly by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 18:45:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iARNhtq23450; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:43:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:43:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:43:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <250E2E14-40CE-11D9-8E64-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I remember correctly, the "Sun Ra: A Joyful Noise" film shows them playing at the pyramids. On Friday, November 26, 2004, at 11:48 PM, samba - wrote: > Sun Ra played at the Pyramid?!! where can I get the recording? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 19:29:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS0Rm531604; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:26:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:19 PM -0800 11/26/04, samba - wrote: >There' a guy in Seattle Tacoma area ,Stewart Dempster -experimental >trombonist..I'm fairly certain he was the first to work with a >didgeridoo in the US-He was doing it in the late 70s.He's got a >recording called Live from the Cistern Chapel recorded in an old >cistern in N.Washington. Stu has been doing this sort of thing for a long time, either solo or with other musicians. The cistern recording is with the Deep Listening Band. The group in the 1988 recording ("The Ready Made Boomerang" on New Albion) was Stu Dempster (trombone), Thomas Eckert (voice), Pauline Oliveros (accordion), Panaiotis (voice), and William O. Smith (clarinet). The cistern project was actually the pretext for the formation of the DLB. They've continued to explore naturally reverberant spaces as they find them, but for most gigs they create their own electroacoustic spaces. A typical setup relies on an 8-channel speaker system, and early on the echo and reverb processing was done with four Lexicon PCM-42 delays and four Lexicon PCM-70 reverbs. This was later supplemented by a Reson8 DSP box, but I believe that these days everything is based on MaxMSP. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 19:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS0pkn05212; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:51:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41A8FAA6.1040003@gmail.com> References: <00d101c4d40d$3c349980$6401a8c0@khartung> <0F5EC07A-400E-11D9-8BD3-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41A88207.8080302@biink.com> <41A8FAA6.1040003@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E14B3F0-40D7-11D9-B5DE-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:51:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 27, 2004, at 4:07 PM, delighted.looper wrote: >>> btw, you seem to be echoing alot of comments in reviews of G3 shows >>> this summer: >>> http://www.satriani.com/perl/2004/review-show-all?by=gig&key=236 >> I don't even want to look. Those comments are coming from a >> someone who would go to a G3 show. > But you are >so< missing out! > I quote: > "I would say skip Fripp. This is not of the same size as Vai and > Satch. The audience also was dissappointed with him and we could not > get warmed up, most of the people got bored with it. But when Steve > came onstage with the tripleneck-Jem it couldn't be better!!That > cleared up everything!" this summer when i was reading through those reviews i just about destroyed my large intestine laughing at that particular review. i'm waiting for the follow up, when Rick Nielson comes out with the 6-necked guitar and REALLY shows them all how to play. and in case you're wondering, i did very much enjoy seeing Steve play that 3 neck guitar piece (it's on a G3 video a friend has). that doesn't make the comment any less funny. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 21:13:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS2D6525733; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:13:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:13:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.118] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:00:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2004 02:01:00.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BF65550:01C4D4EE] Resent-Message-ID: <7DTDtB.A.LRG.fQTqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Stu has been doing this sort of thing for a long time, either solo or with >other musicians. Yeah I did sound for one of his gigs in about 1980, I used to have a recording of his done in a French abby or something with about 14 seconds of reverberation. I like the Deep Listening Band alot too. Considerting how popular Didgeridoos are noa I find hisapparent pioneering of the instrument signifiant.I knwe what one was in the late 60s, Duke Ellington mentionsthem inthe liner notes of one of his albums.I didn't hear one played live until Dempster showed up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 22:09:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS37wm03592; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:07:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Acquired taste for music, fish, scotch, etc Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: <011a01c4d4f7$44f64f60$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011B_01C4D4BC.98977760" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01C4D4BC.98977760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've tried scotch too, Michael, and I just couldn't acquire it...same with caviar. I'm doubtful myself whether the acquired taste for certain foods rolls over (no pun intended) to Fripp's soundscape for me. In all fairness, however, I did acquire a taste for one band several years ago: Phish (or is that Sushi? No bun intended here). When I first heard them, I thought, who the hell are these guys? They can barely sing in tune, half their songs sound like they don't take anything serious, and they sound like a bunch of hicks from the backwoods. Two years later I couldn't stop listening to them and I even went to several of their shows to hear their improvisational magic on stage. I ended up starting a band inspired by their improvisational, spontaneous composition approach. So, I guess the acquired taste for music can happen sometimes, but no guarantees. Who knows, maybe a year from now I'll be raving about Fripp's soundscapes...or not. I've been known to change my preferences over time. This is the beauty and privilege of being an emotional/intellectual animal. I change, therefore I am. K- ----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] i saw fripp at a g3 show here in pittsburgh (a dream venue if there ever was one!) and wondered what the buzz was all about.....i recall that he actually smiled and this made me feel better about his curmudgony (sp) press.....i was once a big fan of ambient music, i think i recorded every "music from the hearts of space" show way back when.....as i think back i believe it was the "how do they get these sounds" question that made me interested, the music itself was relaxing and it wasn't rock/jazz/classical.....but after awhile i wondered "where's the beef (beat)".....your cave had to be deeper than mine not to have heard or read about "fippertronics" but other than his work on KC i knew nothing of his music.....i was therefore very excited to go hear him at the g3 show.....a ton-o-toys a great seat tthat he could spin around on a cool lookin guitar much knowledge and yet, the sound coming out of the speakers made me go "so.....".....i wanted to tap my toe but couldn't.....i used to drink scotch in the way back and it was an aquired taste (if you have never done it go sip a single malt and i think you will know what i mean).....perhaps it's an age thing, i don't feel i have the time to "aquire" (go thru the process of puting up with enroute to activly liking a "thing").....there is just too much "stuff" out there.....oy what a time we live in yo.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01C4D4BC.98977760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I've=20 tried scotch too, Michael, and I just couldn't acquire it...same with=20 caviar.  I'm doubtful myself whether the acquired taste = for=20 certain foods rolls over (no pun intended) to Fripp's soundscape for = me. =20 In all fairness, however, I did acquire a taste for one band several = years ago:=20 Phish (or is that Sushi? No bun intended here).  When I first heard = them, I=20 thought, who the hell are these guys? They can barely sing in tune, half = their=20 songs sound like they don't take anything serious, and they sound like a = bunch=20 of hicks from the backwoods. Two years later I couldn't stop listening = to them=20 and I even went to several of their shows to hear their improvisational = magic on=20 stage. I ended up starting a band inspired by their improvisational, = spontaneous=20 composition approach.  So, I guess the acquired taste for = music=20 can happen sometimes, but no guarantees. 
 
Who=20 knows, maybe a year from now I'll be raving about Fripp's = soundscapes...or not.=20 I've been known to change my preferences over time.  This is the = beauty and=20 privilege of being an emotional/intellectual animal.  I = change,=20 therefore I am.
 
K-
----Original Message-----
From: = Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
i saw fripp at a g3 = show here in=20 pittsburgh (a dream venue if there ever was one!) and wondered what = the buzz=20 was all about.....i recall that he actually smiled and this made me = feel=20 better about his curmudgony (sp) press.....i was once a big fan of = ambient=20 music, i think i recorded every "music from the hearts of space" show = way back=20 when.....as i think back i believe it was the "how do they get these = sounds"=20 question that made me interested, the music itself was relaxing and it = wasn't=20 rock/jazz/classical.....but after awhile i wondered "where's the beef=20 (beat)".....your cave had to be deeper than mine not to have heard or = read=20 about "fippertronics" but other than his work on KC i knew nothing of = his=20 music.....i was therefore very excited to go hear him at the g3 = show.....a=20 ton-o-toys a great seat tthat he could spin around on a cool lookin = guitar=20 much knowledge and yet, the sound coming out of the speakers made me = go=20 "so.....".....i wanted to tap my toe but couldn't.....i used to drink = scotch=20 in the way back and it was an aquired taste (if you have never done it = go sip=20 a single malt and i think you will know what i mean).....perhaps it's = an age=20 thing, i don't feel i have the time to "aquire" (go thru the process = of puting=20 up with enroute to activly liking a "thing").....there is just too = much=20 "stuff" out there.....oy what a time we live in = yo.....michael=20
------=_NextPart_000_011B_01C4D4BC.98977760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 22:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS3rMm08976; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:51:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c4d4fd$953bb8b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haven't heard the Deep Listening Band mentioned in a few years...although I'm not that familiar with much of their work. I'm sure some of the listers would dig their work with Ellen Fullman and the Long Stringed Instrument. It's about 100 foot long stringed instrument installation, that creates some wonderful and haunting drones. The album is called 'Suspended Music'...you can read a bit about it here: http://www.deeplistening.org/dlc/newframe.html this was recorded in Austin, but I think Fullman is now residing in Seattle. Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Venues? At 9:19 PM -0800 11/26/04, samba - wrote: >There' a guy in Seattle Tacoma area ,Stewart Dempster -experimental >trombonist..I'm fairly certain he was the first to work with a >didgeridoo in the US-He was doing it in the late 70s.He's got a >recording called Live from the Cistern Chapel recorded in an old >cistern in N.Washington. Stu has been doing this sort of thing for a long time, either solo or with other musicians. The cistern recording is with the Deep Listening Band. The group in the 1988 recording ("The Ready Made Boomerang" on New Albion) was Stu Dempster (trombone), Thomas Eckert (voice), Pauline Oliveros (accordion), Panaiotis (voice), and William O. Smith (clarinet). The cistern project was actually the pretext for the formation of the DLB. They've continued to explore naturally reverberant spaces as they find them, but for most gigs they create their own electroacoustic spaces. A typical setup relies on an 8-channel speaker system, and early on the echo and reverb processing was done with four Lexicon PCM-42 delays and four Lexicon PCM-70 reverbs. This was later supplemented by a Reson8 DSP box, but I believe that these days everything is based on MaxMSP. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com __________ NOD32 1.935 (20041126) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 23:05:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS44Xd11771; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:04:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:04:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-2200411028496250@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:09:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9400afc25dc1ab6970f46a501ef92685770350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.104 Resent-Message-ID: <7vX0JD.A.Z3C.D5UqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Any of you Loopers got a Vortex you're not using? I may be interested. I hope they have not yet become "collectible," as I just want to use the silly thing and I cannot afford "collector" prices. Tim Mungenast Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Any of you Loopers got a Vortex you're not using? I may be interested.
I hope they have not yet become "collectible," as I just want to use the silly thing and I cannot afford "collector" prices.
Tim Mungenast
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 23:08:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS46oX12126; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:06:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-220041102841125150@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Happy Turkeyday (or Tofuday)!!! Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:11:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94026ce5780d75ad2fa8c78eef059a4fc3a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.104 Resent-Message-ID: <_sCC8B.A.p8C.P7UqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII And Happy retroactive T-Day to you, Ted! ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 11/25/2004 12:22:41 PM Subject: Happy Turkeyday (or Tofuday)!!! By the way, Have a happy holiday today (American loopers). Stay away from the stores tomorrow morning (if you know what's good for you). And, remember JUST SAY NO TO WALMART this holiday season!!! Happy Thanksgiving! Best regards, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
And Happy retroactive T-Day to you, Ted!
~Tim
 
 
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Subject: Happy Turkeyday (or Tofuday)!!!

By the way,

Have a happy holiday today (American loopers).
Stay away from the stores tomorrow morning
(if you know what's good for you). And, remember
JUST SAY NO TO WALMART this holiday season!!!
Happy Thanksgiving!

Best regards,

tEd Ū kiLLiAn

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http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
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Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
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RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 23:18:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS4GcB13454; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.118] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dream Looping Venues? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:14:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2004 04:15:02.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4EC2AA0:01C4D500] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah EllenFullman's stuff is wonderful. I saw her with Kronos at Other Minds fest a couple of years ago ,I was already into her stuff though and thought Kronos' contribution was minimal,as much as I like them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 27 23:38:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS4aLB17590; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:36:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.118] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:23:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2004 04:24:00.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F3B300:01C4D502] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >the chance to create sounds that are absolutely impossible to produce any other way is a great opening and is reason enough. One of my favorite things to do is to sounds that seemelectronic on acoustic instruments-esp ones that aren't spozeta be instruments From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 04:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAS9chh32277; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:38:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:38:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:35:55 -0800 Subject: HOPE From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7qf5dB.A.g0H.FyZqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've always admired musicians who have gotten into looping... its all been good. that being said i hope to hell this guy never learns to LOOP anything. http://www.mcrorie.ca/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 07:18:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iASCHOI20010; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041128115724.02830ac0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:14:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: (To Synth or not to preset) In-Reply-To: <200411280309.iAS39Kl03943@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411280309.iAS39Kl03943@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Some people have developed a vast array of original and compelling sounds >from "non-synth" set-ups. It's a point of pride (and perhaps even >practicality) that there is no sythesizing unit creating the source signal. >Of course, the difference between using many layers of sound processing and >actual "synthesis" is a great question. Good points, for instance a guitar pedal making a sub-Octave is producing a synthetic waveform.If you turn up the resonance of a Flanger, eventually it synthesizes a waveform. So whether or not you're using "no synths" is not always an easy question to answer. (ah, but I'm claiming "no synth" for my music at the moment) I'd like to suggest that it's more important to consider whether the sounds are developed by the player. To me, a MIDI guitar playing a preset sound just isn't exciting (the same being true if the sound is triggered by keyboard). Yes, those digi-piano guitar solos really don't do it for me. andy butler www.andybutler.com info & mp3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 08:10:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iASDA6C28722; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:10:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:10:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:09:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 28, 2004, at 10:35, wrote: > i've always admired musicians who have gotten into looping... > its all been good. > that being said i hope to hell this guy never learns to LOOP anything. > http://www.mcrorie.ca/ Thanks for the link. It made my sunday morning ;-) What really amazes me is that the guy stays with playing covers when having such a great rig as well as the chops with it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 12:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iASHhCG11935; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:43:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:43:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: HOPE Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:41:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oooh..that was awesome! Seriously, Per has a point. What dexterity and chops to pull that off real-time...all alone! Sure, he's doing dorky stuff, but there are a hell of a lot of synapses firing to keep that all together. I'm up for a challenge match, though. Put McRorie against Kid Beyond. Now that would be a show. Y'know, have them trading licks like the old jazz cutting sessions? Hahaha... Rich >>i've always admired musicians who have gotten into looping... its all been good. that being said i hope to hell this guy never learns to LOOP anything. http://www.mcrorie.ca/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 17:25:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iASMOSW29766; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:24:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:24:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:23:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 28, 2004, at 11:41 AM, the toy room wrote: > Seriously, Per has a point. What dexterity and chops to pull that off > real-time...all alone! Sure, he's doing dorky stuff, but there are a > hell of a lot of synapses firing to keep that all together. GAWD I DONT' CARE IF HE EVER WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC THAT'S FUCKING AMAZING!!!!!!! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 18:55:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iASNsiv08888; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:54:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:54:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=uMQoWGY6JZJ9Bc2srSFXaFWMa+aEtLA6u93ROpg2GODG83OPXLz0nFeyZjpHF1PF81SV/JZ6GB5I1qornFgi1xU3HPHj815bDiKZhGDN2pEBvvmWMwYCzJc4WlHC+C3oDnIjk+8uqMuokcbQI8JtNbmJcsyGG3yLtgMoxgVf9Rg= ; Message-ID: <20041128235412.65849.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- samba - wrote: > One of my favorite things to do is to sounds that > seemelectronic on > acoustic instruments-esp ones that aren't spozeta be > instruments Last week I was playing unamplified solidbody guitar with a cello bow (just pseudo-practicing/messing around, really) and my daughter came into the room and said "Whoa, I thought you'd plugged your rack in, only really, really quiet!" It sort of went over my head, and when she saw my confused expression, she went on to explain that it sounded like "a whole bunch of pedals, and you're not even plugged in!" There IS hope for the next generation. -t- PS: the flipside of the 'acoustic sounding electronic' theory can be valid as well. I know I'm probably not alone in prefering synth tones and patches that are more organic sounding. But NOT when it's a bad imitation of an acoustic instrument. Many of the clichéd early 80's digi-synth sounds really rub me the wrong way. That's not at all the same as a blanket statement on the order of "I don't like synthesizers"; I DO like (and use) them, I just hate *some* of the sounds they make. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 19:44:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT0hwn20255; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cTGwKlcTjlCojBpFIEYUb8a0rKuAkXniXCF+CDVB2uAgXrYGO9GfQvoqUPo5sYKZw+6TrX2uxYi71/8EXiFmqElnjIVnfeGs2bmaQb3ZT29dC0a9YKNczHYpk5R9jmTDYoIwfZ/MrMaazXCDKNAXS7J4tatB+VrHH+noFTtGdwI= ; Message-ID: <20041129004334.53489.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:43:34 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9E14B3F0-40D7-11D9-B5DE-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually one of the things that attracted me to the guitar synth was guitar boredom.There was a time where i just wasnīt attracted to anymore records that had guitar masturbation in it; the whole macho shred, the alternative wannabies,the jazz eternal improvisors and the hendrix imitators just got me thinking: jesus is there an empty corner out there i can go to? then i discover Fripp and Belew and they caught my eye because their guitar playing sounded very unguitar and i didnīt know how to label their playing.(in fact this guys are mentioned often in this forum even though they play synths)I found out there were using synths and unusual gadgets and so i went from using a simple amp,guitar and cable to using g.synths,efx proccesors,loopers, mixers and stereo speakers. Now i do gigs where i am maybe required to just play steel string acoustic,or a nylon string,or an amp and cable or solo gigs where i use all of this stuff including the guitar synth.The conclusion ive come is to treat them all as different animals,they are all fun if you tweak them,after all thats what they are for,not to play the presets they come with.I use a roland gr 33 and from the 400 sounds ive noticed i only use 4 or 5 of them,so obviously i react to certain sounds.I also go through gigs where i donīt use it at all and there there are times where i use it a lot. But it could be said that guitarrists like to get their hands on stone and cement,i for one even though i play the synth i cannot go too long without getting my hands dirty as well.Could it be partly psychological or are we like auto repairmen? Luis --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Nov 27, 2004, at 4:07 PM, delighted.looper wrote: > >>> btw, you seem to be echoing alot of comments in > reviews of G3 shows > >>> this summer: > >>> > http://www.satriani.com/perl/2004/review-show-all?by=gig&key=236 > >> I don't even want to look. Those comments are > coming from a > >> someone who would go to a G3 show. > > But you are >so< missing out! > > I quote: > > "I would say skip Fripp. This is not of the same > size as Vai and > > Satch. The audience also was dissappointed with > him and we could not > > get warmed up, most of the people got bored with > it. But when Steve > > came onstage with the tripleneck-Jem it couldn't > be better!!That > > cleared up everything!" > > this summer when i was reading through those reviews > i just about > destroyed my large intestine laughing at that > particular review. > > i'm waiting for the follow up, when Rick Nielson > comes out with the > 6-necked guitar and REALLY shows them all how to > play. > > > > > > and in case you're wondering, i did very much enjoy > seeing Steve play > that 3 neck guitar piece (it's on a G3 video a > friend has). that > doesn't make the comment any less funny. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 20:11:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT19UU26613; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.90] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:08:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2004 01:09:00.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[02870520:01C4D5B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .... not alone in prefering synth tones and patches that aremore organic sounding. But NOT when it's a badimitation of an acoustic instrument. Many of the clichéd early 80's digi-synth sounds really rub me the wrong way. I want synths for making sounds I can't make acoustically. Though I love sampling "natural" sounds and decontextualizing them. I always felt it was unfortunate that commercial synth were almost all keyboard controllers,and usually locked into 12 tone tempered scales-even when playing other scales one was/is still locked into keyboard technique,or lack thereof in my case. ( being able to tweak touch response etc is nice though) I'm really glad this has finally changed,and there are so many interesting options for controllers and processors.One can now do synthesis in a much broader sense. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 20:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT1YXO31493; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:31:51 -0800 Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAT1Y9a31441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .... not alone in prefering synth tones and patches that aremore organic > sounding. > But NOT when it's a badimitation of an acoustic instrument. Many of the > clichéd early 80's digi-synth sounds really rub me the > wrong way. > > I want synths for making sounds I can't make acoustically. Though I love > sampling "natural" sounds and decontextualizing them. I always felt it was > unfortunate that commercial synth were almost all keyboard controllers,and > usually locked into 12 tone tempered scales-even when playing other scales > one was/is still locked into keyboard technique,or lack thereof in my case. > ( being able to tweak touch response etc is nice though) I'm really glad > this has finally changed,and there are so many interesting options for > controllers and processors.One can now do synthesis in a much broader > sense. > OT hey now- i dont much(nothin) about synths (((BUT))) two of my favorite synth players(hate guitar synth)-that is playing pure sounds that are not of a musical instrument- i love the *keyboard*soundz of Lyle Mays from the PatMethenyBand and Joe Zawinul(Miles,WeatherReport,Z Syndicate)...they both just get sound that's so natural,i.e. of nature even tho' ya know they are not. thats just so cool(fer me anyway)ymmv s (also i have to mention Bill Payne from the band ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 21:04:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT20sC05684; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:00:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:00:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qictWHxitOpa0vndsBvOwIMj9JTr7ow1O5uaJYTDzqBwgTEPwsngUNsdBUy75Cz6NTu9nIY+63lYzH3UGu4ZUccFAeQHGxHdoHz3HuebBs7dhfTWYR+BtQFv/XAtIn1BGCqVSGIFcuEw4SCc6rzpZOeV31KKZ8d9aViwWo/prto= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:00:35 -0800 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A Blessing of Tears In-Reply-To: <20041129004334.53489.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9E14B3F0-40D7-11D9-B5DE-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <20041129004334.53489.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember the day I sold my Roland GR30. That was the day I started writing songs :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 21:35:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT2Y5710930; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:34:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:34:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZgMPwAKhN9Rw3Aw7LFm5DH4ovJcF2s92RL+bKDoH+nkK4qvW9IAkIaMOGVaCOpun79Vr2TO6dtFs5bMa2Q5v/NK6U7nVEOfscBnB8GxZFgrPq+1a3t2jvdbmIHizJWqAzlfnQ9CASwhAjB08W5/lTCUBWnnk0o0A7HV/phVCsuI= Message-ID: <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:33:40 -0800 From: "delighted.looper" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOPE References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > GAWD I DONT' CARE IF HE EVER WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC THAT'S FUCKING > AMAZING!!!!!!! > It's like Karl Rove and Walmart got together and built the perfect evil cyborg music man-machine out of Michael Flatley and an Emu Proteus synthesizer. -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 28 22:14:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT3Bfr18928; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:11:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:11:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41AA9305.5000001@finleysound.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:09:57 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: baffling EDP & All Access problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 23aae711ae94f02c420d65a3f5d34ad29ef193a6bfc3dd485c9de1f79d9b06ab4ab5417c3d13e6f7c965d6d45243e2d1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.81.220.240 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm hoping some of you EDP and All Access users can help me troubleshoot this weirdness.

I'm using the All Access to control various functions of the EDP via its Instant Access Switches (setup as MIDI VirtualButtons).  I have one switch setup as Record. Everything works fine until I Long-Press Record.  The current loop resets fine, but if I change to a different preset on the All Access, the EDP begins recording even though the new preset is not sending any MIDI information on the EDP's defined MIDI channel.  Any ideas as to what is happening?

Matt


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 04:18:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT9GrX12053; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:16:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:16:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c4d5f4$101dc720$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:16:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9-6wI.A.T7C.ijuqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something similar was realized by Laurie Anderson in '80. I've seen a concert video, where she play drums and other sound by touching her body. Funny. Fabio download.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "delighted.looper" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:33 AM Subject: Re: HOPE > > > > > GAWD I DONT' CARE IF HE EVER WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC THAT'S FUCKING > > AMAZING!!!!!!! > > > > It's like Karl Rove and Walmart got together and built the perfect evil > cyborg music man-machine out of Michael Flatley and an Emu Proteus > synthesizer. > > > -- > bIz > > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. > > Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com > Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 04:33:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAT9WAK14153; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c4d5f5$c55d5af0$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: Re:Re: (To Synth or not to preset) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:28:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4D5FE.26FC1280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4D5FE.26FC1280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable funny old thread this.. ? Isnt it a teeny bit ironic that us "loopers" = (who are probably the MOST technological of musicians) still have lines = we like to draw as to what is acceptable technology... Whats wrong with = midi guitar??? Of course it matter what it sounds like... but really... = whats the difference between a pickup amplifing a string and then that = signal being processed to shit till it sounds like a keyboard, and a = pickup amplifiing a string and analysing the tone to be passed on to = trigger a synth... buggery nothing!!! Its like all the millions of cubase/plugin synth players who go.. "Its = amazing, sounds really analog and warm" ... I Like to say to them "What = a shame.. if only it could sound really digital and cold!!!" Its just a = sound/trend thing... Just so you know where I stand on this matter, I use both.. I have a = guitar synth(gr30) , that provides midi to another synth (korg 2000R), = and a sampler (Akai S1000), BUT I also, and mostly work with a very = processed guitar sound... Its taken years for me to aquire this set-up = and sound, and now I just have to put the computer into "RECORD" and = start playing to make CD's/music that I am extremely happy with... maybe = no one else likes/will like it, but it makes me happy, synth, no synth, = analog or digital!!!!! Buy CDR's or download a few tracks here. = http://www.markfrancombe.com/releases/spendspendspend.htm :-) Mark www.markfrancombe.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4D5FE.26FC1280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
funny old thread this.. ? Isnt it a = teeny bit=20 ironic that us "loopers" (who are probably the MOST technological of = musicians)=20 still have lines we like to draw as to what is acceptable technology... = Whats=20 wrong with midi guitar??? Of course it matter what it sounds like... but = really... whats the difference between a pickup amplifing a string and = then that=20 signal being processed to shit till it sounds like a keyboard, and a = pickup=20 amplifiing a string and analysing the tone to be passed on to trigger a = synth...=20 buggery nothing!!!
 
Its like all the millions of = cubase/plugin synth=20 players who go.. "Its amazing, sounds really analog and warm" ... I Like = to say=20 to them "What a shame.. if only it could sound really digital and = cold!!!" Its=20 just a sound/trend thing...
 
Just so you know where I stand on this = matter, I=20 use both.. I have a guitar synth(gr30) , that provides midi to another = synth=20 (korg 2000R), and a sampler (Akai S1000), BUT I also, and mostly work = with a=20 very processed guitar sound... Its taken years for me to = aquire this=20 set-up and sound, and now I just have to put the computer into "RECORD" = and=20 start playing to make CD's/music that I am extremely happy with... maybe = no one=20 else likes/will like it, but it makes me happy, synth, no synth, analog = or=20 digital!!!!!
 
<SPAM> Buy CDR's or download a = few tracks=20 here. http:/= /www.markfrancombe.com/releases/spendspendspend.htm </SPAM>= ;
 
:-)
 
Mark
 
www.markfrancombe.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4D5FE.26FC1280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 05:23:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATAMKG23447; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YMsBTb+B8FVjf6brevVje0ZHubdfWBlb20aJ3xjdt0sRifQTFxcPr4wqb1Rn7orsIQfFO2cuaCldgFOtsJlmwLxrQBY9eUL1Q2UF7WqXU0bMn73CzlK6O0AZET8z2nXUjWHNb8NscW+X81Fe0lI5q2AnMkqt6xE6FUsuZQ7QFUs= ; Message-ID: <20041129102156.3678.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: HOPE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm glad I didn't read that BEFORE I went to bed last night. That's a nightmare just waiting to happen! -t- --- "delighted.looper" wrote: > > > > > GAWD I DONT' CARE IF HE EVER WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC > THAT'S FUCKING > > AMAZING!!!!!!! > > > > It's like Karl Rove and Walmart got together and > built the perfect evil > cyborg music man-machine out of Michael Flatley and > an Emu Proteus > synthesizer. > > > -- > bIz > > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect > for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. > More than three and a half thousand downloads makes > us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. > > Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com > Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us > send you our next cd release - for free! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 05:59:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATAuQP28537; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <00d301c4d5f4$101dc720$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> <00d301c4d5f4$101dc720$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C693F75-41F5-11D9-8818-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:54:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> It's like Karl Rove and Walmart got together and built the perfect >> evil >> cyborg music man-machine out of Michael Flatley and an Emu Proteus >> synthesizer. >> -- >> bIz ;-)) Reminds me of Stellarc http://pascal.stu.rpi.edu/~slattd/domain/stellarc.htm Met him once in the nineties when he performed here in Stockholm. Bizarre and fascinating stuff. Does Stellarc still perform publically BTW? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 06:01:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATB0ad30870; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:00:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:00:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nnvjV5WoJStlwqdQvPdLTi9UQBLyE7XjIrA2cIdglVon6ifUAwqdjV3Be2BREl2CvH6yl/yPBFQJ26eobKqtLJGgKC4huHpE/wzDJ6Mft9KQQA00ZqNnEwFMfjEPm0ectwAiy7UlJT3a7UQ9i+gfTXuRXaH+KblGo87u5NH9BK0= ; Message-ID: <20041129110008.67208.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: cool guitar synth intros To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if they inspire you to write something use everything you can! back in the days where synths didnīt quite work people like Pete Townsend,jimmy page and even Van Halen used them to write intros etc. and they still sound great! cool guitar synth intros: in the evening-Led Zeppelin pretty woman-Van Halen who are you-The Who Dinosaur-King crimson please add toi the list! cheers Luis --- phill wilson wrote: > > Hi guys n gals > > its Phill Aka Lol C Aka Blackface etc. > > after a long hard road with getting chucked out of > this group with my > previous address I have changed to a new account > just for this list and so > far it all seems to be going roses. > > I wanted to chime in on this one because it is > probably one of the biggest > questions that i have been asking myself > latley,(should I allow myself to > get into synths) i cant belive I have not brought > the topic to this forum > before. > > to my mind this debate of whether to use a synth fx > unit or whether I stick > to creating all my sounds using just a guitar > begins with me asking the > question of why I loop in the first place, to > eleborate, if you want to do > so many things why not get a band or at least a > precussionist or something. > > part of the reason that I always stop just short of > buying a guitar synth is > that a LARGE part of the reason i loop is that this > paradigm creates an > element of limitation, synths and so on seem to > offer such a large range of > sound tweaks and so on that i think i would spend so > much time playing with > the pallette, of sounds available I may never > actually loop. > > another of my problems with synths is that the > reason I loop is that it is > somehow "real" and "live", I am comfortable with > what I know about it and > how I can justifiy it to others if they are > interested. I can show people > how this is all done by one person in realtime > without the use of samples or > whatever (its not that I dont like samples , its > just that within my own > paradigm I would have to think........ well, if you > use a sample of drums > why not get a drum machine, which is only one step > away from a sequencer and > a drum machine on a laptop which is only one step > from a drum machine a > sequence and some orchestration, then i would think > why not do a backing > track and before you know it you are a karioke > artist not a looper......... > ) > > sorry that all kind of burst out, hope you see what > I mean though, all those > things are useful to some people some of the time, > but I think I am scared > of where that first step of buying a synth might > lead. > > I think that I need to set my self some boundrys > within which to work, this > also has implications for normal gig settings too, I > already write stuff at > home that uses so many different pedal combinations > that I have to start > from the bottom up and rbuild before I have a song > that is usable on the > road sort of speak, I think this might also get > worse if I added other stuff > a guitar synth, a real synth for that matter or even > a pair of bongos, all > of this would in one hand make my life simpler by > giving my easy access to > things that i have to be very creative to achieve > with my current sound > setup, but would also paradoxically complicate my > setup by adding in more > floorspace/another input/wallwart/if its a live > instrument anothe rmic and > more risk of feedback etc.......... > > I think you will be able to tell by this ramble just > how confused I am about > this, but hopefully if you all chime in I might > reply with what I feel in a > few days time!!! > > > Bye for now > > Phill > >From: "Krispen Hartung" > >Reply-To: > >To: > >Subject: RE: Robert Fripp's Radiophonics and A > Blessing of Tears > >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:10:19 -0700 > > > > > My contention is basically that every song > sounds so similar to me, > > > and there is no real interesting melody work to > give each song an > > > identity of its own. I'm sure Fripp would beg to > differ, but as a > > > listener, I'm not drawn to any particular song > as having a unique or > > > strong musical fingerprint or personality. It > sounds like > > > stereotypical synth ambient music to me. > > > > >but he should give up the synth. > > > > >> I did. > > > > >>Worked for me. > > > >Very interesting comment, David. I'd like to see > your elaboration on > >this. I think I know where you are going with it. > I gave up the synth > >as well, several years ago....the hex-pickup > variety that is. I still > >use a synth-like algorithm in my effect unit...but > for the most part I > >try to get all I can out of the natural guitar > sound and effect > >alterations. > > > >Kris > > > >-- > >* David Beardsley > >* microtonal guitar > >* http://biink.com/db > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN > Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 06:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATB3rq31853; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:03:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:03:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <0C693F75-41F5-11D9-8818-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> <00d301c4d5f4$101dc720$040a0a0a@fabio> <0C693F75-41F5-11D9-8818-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2CAA7DB6-41F6-11D9-8E88-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:02:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:54, Per Boysen wrote: > Does Stellarc still perform publically BTW? oops... just found this http://www.stelarc.va.com.au/ He seems to be wired up as usual ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 06:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATBIlg01488; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:17:20 -0500 From: "uadtloopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: pensacola pfennig whop Reply-to: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com To: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Content-disposition: inline Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers-delight-d beseech ballet sherry decontrol aye aeneid apex

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D60F.60244620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>1) Am I OK / comfortable with producing sounds from something that is called a synthesizer? 2) Do I like the sounds I can create with a synthesizer?<< I'd have to add something to this along the lines of "is having a familiar control surface (i.e. the fingerboard instead of a keyboard) sufficient compensation for the rubbish response of a midi-tracking system?" my own experience with a gr-something & a gi-10 both left something to be desired in terms of what I was trying to perform. simple timing latency one can get used to, but when the mistracking & misinterpretation of one's nuances are also factored in, it becomes very frustrating. (fwiw, I have "hex" pickups on a strat, a fender VI & a precision. curiously, the VI behaves the best.) so, when I want to play a keyboard part, I use a keyboard. that's not to say I've given up. I'll be revisiting this issue today, in fact- my peavey cyberbase just showed up..... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>1) Am I OK / comfortable with producing sounds fr= om something that is called a synthesizer?
2) Do I like the sounds I can create with a synthesizer?= <<

I'd have to add something to this along the lines of &quo= t;is having a familiar control surface (i.e. the fingerboard instead of a k= eyboard) sufficient compensation for the rubbish response of a midi-trackin= g system?"

my own experience with a gr-something & a gi-10 both = left something to be desired in terms of what I was trying to perform. simp= le timing latency one can get used to, but when the mistracking & misin= terpretation of one's nuances are also factored in, it becomes very frustra= ting.

(fwiw, I have "hex" pickups on a strat, a fende= r VI & a precision. curiously, the VI behaves the best.)

so, when I want to play a keyboard part, I use a keyboard= .
that's not to say I've given up. I'll be revisiting this= issue today, in fact- my peavey cyberbase just showed up.....

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D60F.60244620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 08:03:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATD2qt19553; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129122739.0282e630@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:01:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Vortex? In-Reply-To: <200411290235.iAT2Zaw11174@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200411290235.iAT2Zaw11174@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iATD2Xa19496 Resent-Message-ID: <_7DcAC.A.5wE.q3xqBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:35 29/11/04, you wrote: >Any of you Loopers got a Vortex you're not using? I may be interested. >I hope they have not yet become "collectible," as I just want to use the >silly thing and I cannot afford "collector" prices. >Tim Mungenast Bad news- no, you can't have my spare. Good news- I'm not aware of any price increase, Ģ150 is the going rate in UK, maybe less in US andy butler www.andybutler.com for Vortex info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 12:05:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATH3CC02489; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:03:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:03:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <703F139E-4228-11D9-BF8F-003065EE45A8@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:02:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn, dude, almost snarfed my coffee for a second time this morning... So, this loop was on a bit of a delay... Lee On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:33 PM, delighted.looper wrote: > >> >> GAWD I DONT' CARE IF HE EVER WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC THAT'S FUCKING >> AMAZING!!!!!!! >> > > It's like Karl Rove and Walmart got together and built the perfect > evil cyborg music man-machine out of Michael Flatley and an Emu > Proteus synthesizer. > > > -- > bIz > > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - > Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half > thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. > > Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com > Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next > cd release - for free! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci." - Faustus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 12:19:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATHI2405281; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:18:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:18:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557F09@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557F09@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87C00D10-422A-11D9-BF8F-003065EE45A8@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:17:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Going back a few loops ago, I always enjoyed when you would see a particuliar instrument, but then said instrument makes very different sounds; such as using an E-Bow to get duduk-like sounds out of an electric guitar, or watching people get more koto-like sounds out of said instrument. Found it was even more fun on my end to have just my head visible to the audience and the rest of my body and Roland GR-707 hidden, so they think I'm playing a keyboard of some kind and after a bit, walk out with the guitar slung on my front and doing a pretty decent job of hiding the E-Bow under my hand and have a few of the people react with a touch of shock as it hits 'em that a guitar shouldn't sound like that! Really got this from Miles Davis doing it so often in the 80's; switching instrument parts around. As for going the whole pitch to signal bit, I found that lugging the equipment around was not always as cracked up as it used to be, when I was more active in my playing. Guess I'm getting lazier in my older age. LOL! Does this mean that I'm gonna give up on my Yamaha G50 or Roland GR-30, ... of course not! And now, back to fiddling with a Steinberger... Lee On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:31 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>1) Am I OK / comfortable with producing sounds from something that > is called a synthesizer? > 2) Do I like the sounds I can create with a synthesizer?<< > > I'd have to add something to this along the lines of "is having a > familiar control surface (i.e. the fingerboard instead of a keyboard) > sufficient compensation for the rubbish response of a midi-tracking > system?" > > my own experience with a gr-something & a gi-10 both left something to > be desired in terms of what I was trying to perform. simple timing > latency one can get used to, but when the mistracking & > misinterpretation of one's nuances are also factored in, it becomes > very frustrating. > > (fwiw, I have "hex" pickups on a strat, a fender VI & a precision. > curiously, the VI behaves the best.) > > so, when I want to play a keyboard part, I use a keyboard. > that's not to say I've given up. I'll be revisiting this issue today, > in fact- my peavey cyberbase just showed up..... > > d. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > > *********************************************************************** > **** > "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci." - Faustus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 14:10:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATJ9Qa27068; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:09:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:09:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041129110008.67208.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041129110008.67208.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:08:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >cool guitar synth intros: >in the evening-Led Zeppelin >pretty woman-Van Halen >who are you-The Who Dinosaur-King crimson Where the Streets Have No Name/The Unforgettable Fire--U2 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 14:32:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATJUVx30399; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:30:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:30:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c4d649$bca0d4b0$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20041129110008.67208.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:29:22 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > > > >cool guitar synth intros: > >in the evening-Led Zeppelin > >pretty woman-Van Halen > >who are you-The Who > Dinosaur-King crimson > > Where the Streets Have No Name/The Unforgettable Fire--U2 That entire song is one guitar-synth intro. :P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 14:48:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATJkxS32718; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:46:23 +0000 Message-Id: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 11 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >cool guitar synth intros: > > >in the evening-Led Zeppelin > > >pretty woman-Van Halen > > >who are you-The Who > > Dinosaur-King crimson > > > > Where the Streets Have No Name/The Unforgettable Fire--U2 > > That entire song is one guitar-synth intro. :P and it also comes from 'the joshua tree' album, not 'the unforgettable fire'. i'll add another Who track to the list. Intro to Baba O'Reilly from 'Who's Next'. best, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 14:58:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATJvFE02018; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:57:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:56:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200411291956.iATJuXZ07110@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.18.125 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >who are you-The Who > > i'll add another Who track to the list. Intro to Baba O'Reilly from 'Who's Next'. That's not guitar synth, that's just a straight up synth track (the kind with keys-ARP 2600 to be specific). Same thing with Who Are You I think. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 15:09:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATK7hf04813; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:07:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:07:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B@ comcast.net> References: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B@ comcast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:05:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > > Where the Streets Have No Name/The Unforgettable Fire--U2 >> >> That entire song is one guitar-synth intro. :P > >and it also comes from 'the joshua tree' album, not 'the unforgettable fire'. No, you misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear. I was naming two songs, Streets *and* The Unf. Fire. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 15:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATK8IZ05039; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B@ comcast.net> References: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B@ comcast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:06:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But, yes, now that I read the thread closely, neither of my songs were *guitar* synth intros--just synth intros. My bad. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 15:23:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATKMTs08373; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:22:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:22:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:22:00 -0800 Message-ID: <14db01c4d651$154401d0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8TTAuD.A.SBC.wT4qBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But this thread did inspire to me to do some all guitar synth looping (GR33)...maybe just work up a bunch of intros :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > > > > But, yes, now that I read the thread closely, neither of my songs > were *guitar* synth intros--just synth intros. My bad. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 16:08:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATL7L218605; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:07:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B @ comcast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:03:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Totally OT: Back in '83 I went to see Glenn Branca at the SF Symphony's New and Unusual Music series. I was joined, quite by chance, by Paul Kantner and Marty Balin (of the Jefferson Airplane/Starship). They both tried to pretend I didn't know who they were, and I played along. Branca was known in those days for having the loudest performances (at least in the artsy new music world), with a dozen or so electric guitars all cranked. Kantner was unimpressed, making a point of how much louder his own band was. But it was Balin, whose comment I won't forget, "He has a lot of nice intros, but I keep waiting for the song." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 16:15:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATLE2220154; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:14:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041129131011.01a56760@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:13:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros In-Reply-To: References: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B @ comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a great quote! But it makes me think of the many times a song ruins a nice intro. At 01:03 PM 2004.11.29, Richard Zvonar wrote: >But it was Balin, whose comment I won't forget, "He has a lot of nice intros, but I keep waiting for the song." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 16:35:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATLWxX23058; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:32:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-1050162222 Message-Id: <204E0A04-424E-11D9-8F53-00039383F742@sccadv.com> From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: (To Synth or not to Synth) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:32:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-1050162222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed I'll throw in my 2 cents - I love the guitar synth. Not all that long ago, I was strictly playing an old deep body Ovation=20= 12-string, in a loud (yet primarily acoustic) rock band. This was great=20= fun - for a while. When I wanted to make more unusual sounds, I started acquiring a ton of=20= devices and ended up with one of the most convoluted guitar rigs you=20 can imagine. What didn't work for me with that arrangement, was the=20 hand manipulation that was required to change sounds. Since I'm a=20 fairly busy rhythm guitar player (in the band context) there was not=20 enough opportunity to adjust sounds on the fly - other than ON or OFF.=20= Not to mention the blessing/opportunity for disaster that twisting=20 knobs delivers. So I sold a bunch of stuff on ebay, including my=20 Vortex, and adjusted. (It's worth noting that the ebay sell-off was a=20 wash for a GR-33 and Eventide) The rig is still convoluted, but in a different way. Now, there's a=20 tube path (Brian Moore guitar > Triaxis > (sometimes, there's an Air=20 Synth and Air FX in this position) > Line 6 Filter Pro > Eventide=20 Eclipse > Mesa 20/20 > 2 Mesa 2x12 wedges), a piezo path (Brian Moore=20 guitar > TC M-one > Behringer 1 spc. rack mixer > Giga-Delay > 2=20 keyboard amps) and the midi note path (Brian Moore guitar > GR-33(used=20= as a trigger only) > Novation Supernova II Rack module and a Kurzweil=20 K2000R rack module > same mixer > same Giga Delay > same keyboard=20 amps). I keep the 'tube' and 'midi note' paths in different racks, for=20= the sake of my back. With this ridiculous (and admittedly portability-challenged) rig,=20 I'm able to generate all the types of sounds I have ever wanted. The=20 variety of sounds/parameters that are available are a never ending=20 source of inspiration - even if getting back to that place is a matter=20= of selecting a preset. An element of hazard still exists while looping=20= in the loops themselves, especially if I go with the "semi-random spin=20= of the big knob patch selection method". So I don't feel like too much=20= of a wimp, even if I'm not a purist. In regards to guitar-synths, specifically. Latency/tracking: generally, I prefer my guitar synth sounds to have a=20= slower-than-guitar attack =96 so perceptible latency is entirely not an=20= issue for me. The different modules react to "superfluous note data"=20 differently, and in the case of the Kurzweil, every patch behaves=20 differently. Most patches are glitch-less. Also, I was (originally=20 annoyed but) later happy to be provided the incentive to clean up my=20 playing. Sounds: I generally look for weirdness out of the guitar synth. A=20 little creative license with Pitch Bend parameters provides a lot of=20 opportunity that a wammy pedal does not, for example. I like some of my=20= sounds to modify parameters based on velocity - I haven't been able to=20= achieve that result to the same degree without the synths. There are=20 many other examples, and I think these opportunities are simply more=20 colors of paint for your sonic palette. What could be wrong with that?=20= You could argue that you can get any color out of red, yellow, blue=20 (and white and black) - but to me the extra effort required only=20 provides ... extra effort. I never really intended to use the GR-33 for sound generation, so when=20= I ran through the presets and then tried to modify them, I wasn't too=20 disappointed that the results were unspectacular. The Novation rack=20 module covers all the unnatural/electronic/synthy sounds I want , and=20 the Kurzweil covers all the natural/unreal-natural/modified-natural/etc=20= sounds I want. It's all about having tools that inspire you and meet your needs, and=20 for me, the guitar synth approach (especially in combination with the=20 guitar and eclipse) does both. Life is good. The resources are at hand. Now I'll go make some noise. Jeff Evans P.S. I appreciate your patience - you should have seen how long that=20 was going to be! www.ejefftronic.com www.sazerac.tv On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:08 PM, samba - wrote: > > .... not alone in prefering synth tones and patches that aremore=20 > organic sounding. > But NOT when it's a badimitation of an acoustic instrument. Many of = the > clich=E9d early 80's digi-synth sounds really rub me the > wrong way. > > I want synths for making sounds I can't make acoustically. Though I=20= > love sampling "natural" sounds and decontextualizing them. I always=20 > felt it was unfortunate that commercial synth were almost all keyboard=20= > controllers,and usually locked into 12 tone tempered scales-even when=20= > playing other scales one was/is still locked into keyboard=20 > technique,or lack thereof in my case. ( being able to tweak touch=20 > response etc is nice though) I'm really glad this has finally=20 > changed,and there are so many interesting options for controllers and=20= > processors.One can now do synthesis in a much broader sense. > > > --Apple-Mail-3-1050162222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I'll throw in my 2 cents - I love the guitar synth. Not all that long ago, I was strictly playing an old deep body Ovation 12-string, in a loud (yet primarily acoustic) rock band. This was great fun - for a while.=20 When I wanted to make more unusual sounds, I started acquiring a ton of devices and ended up with one of the most convoluted guitar rigs you can imagine. What didn't work for me with that arrangement, was the hand manipulation that was required to change sounds. Since I'm a fairly busy rhythm guitar player (in the band context) there was not enough opportunity to adjust sounds on the fly - other than ON or OFF. Not to mention the blessing/opportunity for disaster that twisting knobs delivers. So I sold a bunch of stuff on ebay, including my Vortex, and adjusted. (It's worth noting that the ebay sell-off was a wash for a GR-33 and Eventide) The rig is still convoluted, but in a different way. Now, there's a tube path (Brian Moore guitar > Triaxis > (sometimes, there's an Air Synth and Air FX in this position) > Line 6 Filter Pro > Eventide Eclipse > Mesa 20/20 > 2 Mesa 2x12 wedges), a piezo path (Brian Moore guitar > TC M-one > Behringer 1 spc. rack mixer > Giga-Delay > 2 keyboard amps) and the midi note path (Brian Moore guitar > GR-33(used as a trigger only) > Novation Supernova II Rack module and a Kurzweil K2000R rack module > same mixer > same Giga Delay > same keyboard amps). I keep the 'tube' and 'midi note' paths in different racks, for the sake of my back. With this ridiculous (and admittedly portability-challenged) rig, I'm able to generate all the types of sounds I have ever wanted. The variety of sounds/parameters that are available are a never ending source of inspiration - even if getting back to that place is a matter of selecting a preset. An element of hazard still exists while looping in the loops themselves, especially if I go with the "semi-random spin of the big knob patch selection method". So I don't feel like too much of a wimp, even if I'm not a purist. In regards to guitar-synths, specifically.=20 Latency/tracking: generally, I prefer my guitar synth sounds to have a slower-than-guitar attack =96 so perceptible latency is entirely not an issue for me. The different modules react to "superfluous note data" differently, and in the case of the Kurzweil, every patch behaves differently. Most patches are glitch-less. Also, I was (originally annoyed but) later happy to be provided the incentive to clean up my playing.=20 Sounds: I generally look for weirdness out of the guitar synth. A little creative license with Pitch Bend parameters provides a lot of opportunity that a wammy pedal does not, for example. I like some of my sounds to modify parameters based on velocity - I haven't been able to achieve that result to the same degree without the synths. There are many other examples, and I think these opportunities are simply more colors of paint for your sonic palette. What could be wrong with that? You could argue that you can get any color out of red, yellow, blue (and white and black) - but to me the extra effort required only provides ... extra effort.=20 I never really intended to use the GR-33 for sound generation, so when I ran through the presets and then tried to modify them, I wasn't too disappointed that the results were unspectacular. The Novation rack module covers all the unnatural/electronic/synthy sounds I want , and the Kurzweil covers all the natural/unreal-natural/modified-natural/etc sounds I want.=20 It's all about having tools that inspire you and meet your needs, and for me, the guitar synth approach (especially in combination with the guitar and eclipse) does both. Life is good. The resources are at hand. Now I'll go make some noise. Jeff Evans P.S. I appreciate your patience - you should have seen how long that was going to be! www.ejefftronic.com www.sazerac.tv On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:08 PM, samba - wrote: .... not alone in prefering synth tones and patches that aremore organic sounding. But NOT when it's a badimitation of an acoustic instrument. Many of the clich=E9d early 80's digi-synth sounds really rub me the wrong way. I want synths for making sounds I can't make acoustically. Though I love sampling "natural" sounds and decontextualizing them. I always felt it was unfortunate that commercial synth were almost all keyboard controllers,and usually locked into 12 tone tempered scales-even when playing other scales one was/is still locked into keyboard technique,or lack thereof in my case. ( being able to tweak touch response etc is nice though) I'm really glad this has finally changed,and there are so many interesting options for controllers and processors.One can now do synthesis in a much broader sense. = --Apple-Mail-3-1050162222-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 16:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATLa6J23583; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:36:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:36:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <00d301c4d5f4$101dc720$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <000001c4d571$80b0d5f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <26096CAA-418C-11D9-A507-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> <00d301c4d5f4$101dc720$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <86D126A3-424E-11D9-94A5-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: HOPE Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:35:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 29, 2004, at 3:16 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > Something similar was realized by Laurie Anderson in '80. > I've seen a concert video, where she play drums and other sound by > touching > her body. yeah but she wasn't playing left-hand bass and right-hand chords at the same time. what's with all the value judgements? this is AMAZING. :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 16:56:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATLsQP26548; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:49:38 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: best 13 pin replacement cable? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was just wondering if anyone knew of a cheaper alternative to the roland 13 pin DIN cable used for their current line of guitar synths. I don't need one (yet) but it would be nice to have a backup. Any/all help appreciated -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 17:26:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATMOP232012; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:24:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:24:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BA1FA70-4255-11D9-B0B0-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: best 13 pin replacement cable? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:23:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I made my own using parts from digikey.com, and it was a lot cheaper, but I wouldn't recommend that route unless you need something special (I wanted a breakout/splitter cable to send the individual string signals to a mixer as well into a GK device.) -Alex S. On Nov 29, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Legion wrote: > > Was just wondering if anyone knew of a cheaper alternative to the > roland > 13 pin DIN cable used for their current line of guitar synths. I don't > need one (yet) but it would be nice to have a backup. > > Any/all help appreciated > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 17:31:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATMUNp00907; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:30:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <77.39905e82.2edcfcbc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:29:16 EST Subject: Re: Re:Re: (To Synth or not to preset) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_77.39905e82.2edcfcbc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <89trlC.A.UM.OL6qBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_77.39905e82.2edcfcbc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/04 4:31:02 AM, mark@mark-red.com writes: > www.markfrancombe.com > if you haven't been to mark's site do yourself a favor and check it out.....FUN!!!!!.....thanks mark.....michael --part1_77.39905e82.2edcfcbc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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if you haven't been to mark's site do yourself a favor and check it out.....= FUN!!!!!.....thanks mark.....michael --part1_77.39905e82.2edcfcbc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 17:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATMc9G02178; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:38:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:38:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:37:12 EST Subject: For Sale: Boss DD-20, near new! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e2.79eb9ea.2edcfe98_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e2.79eb9ea.2edcfe98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just put this up on eBay to test the waters. I have 3 and just don't need=20 that many. I'm thinking about going down to just one again. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D41415&item=3D376605= 0860& rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW Some other things I am considering selling but just haven't put up there yet= =20 are: * Moogerfooger Ring Modulator * Zvex Ooh Wah * Alesis Microverb III * Seymour Duncan KGT solid-state, single-rack-space, stereo power amp. All inquiries are welcome . . . off-list of course. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_e2.79eb9ea.2edcfe98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I just put this up on eBay to test the waters. I have 3 and just don't need=20= that many. I'm thinking about going down to just one again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D41415&item= =3D3766050860&rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW

Some other things I am considering selling but just haven't put= up there yet are:

* Moogerfooger Ring Modulator
* Zvex Ooh Wah
* Alesis Microverb III
* Seymour Duncan KGT solid-state, single-rack-space, stereo power amp.

All inquiries are welcome . . . off-list of course.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_e2.79eb9ea.2edcfe98_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 17:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATMcDH02196; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:38:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:37:43 -0800 Message-ID: <14f601c4d664$0b0224a0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But it was Balin, whose comment I won't > forget, "He has a lot of nice intros, but I keep waiting for the > song." I was thinking of mentioning an on topic idea this suggests: Looping as being an 'enabler' for feeling like you're a musical artist, but being able to avoid the 'hard work' of composition :-) Feel free to ignore, and continue the positive open hearted embrace of creative music... Or a $0.01 for your thoughts... NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 17:53:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATMpgi04801; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:51:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:51:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: best 13 pin replacement cable? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:51:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4d665$ef3ab6e0$e0142252@ponkscap9jl6gb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4BA1FA70-4255-11D9-B0B0-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2004 22:51:46.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[00C7AA30:01C4D666] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How did that go Alex? Did you need to beef up the individual outputs at all before they reached the mixer? -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] Sent: 29 November 2004 22:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best 13 pin replacement cable? I made my own using parts from digikey.com, and it was a lot cheaper, but I wouldn't recommend that route unless you need something special (I wanted a breakout/splitter cable to send the individual string signals to a mixer as well into a GK device.) -Alex S. On Nov 29, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Legion wrote: > > Was just wondering if anyone knew of a cheaper alternative to the > roland > 13 pin DIN cable used for their current line of guitar synths. I don't > need one (yet) but it would be nice to have a backup. > > Any/all help appreciated > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 18:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATN5vH08356; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ORGANIC programming and looping Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:04:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've really been thinking a lot in my own composition about what makes something feel 'organic'. Using the potentially overstatic techniques of live looping, sequencing and arpeggiating (all those repetitive things that we both love and that can certainly limit us, aesthetically) I think any sophisticated electronica composer trys to figure out how to simulate the live performance of multiple real time musicians. In drum computer programming, putting in lots of little tiny but constrained random variations in resonance, cutoff, panning, volume, timing can really fool people into thinking that they are listening to a live drumming track. The same is true of synth bubbles or arpeggios. I'm still waiting for someone to incorporate some generated Boid algorhythms into some of the more popular sequencing programs (including drum computer programs like Battery and Fruity Loops). Those are the algorhythms created to simulate the variation in formations of birds as they flock and turn in the air. In looping, obvious techniques like replacing, overdubbing, changing loop lengths, etc. can help a piece from being terminally static. I also love the addition of random or non-random addition of effects and/or filtering to preexisting loops when I play or when I listen to others playing. Boy, my kindgom for the random filtering algorhythm that is in that pricey Lexicon unit that Steve Lawson uses live.........it's so cool because the rhythms constantly morph in a seemingly 'organic' way. I've also noticed that sometime the addition of merely one element that is changing can give an entire static set of loops or sequences an 'organic' feel. Then, of course, there is the addition of actuall real time (non looped) playing over the top of of static elements. Curious, though, if we use that approach alone it seems, after awhile to call more attention to the stasis of the loop. And finally, sometimes it's cool to be REALLY ARTIFICIAL and static about our playing. Lately, along those lines, I've been experimenting with and acoustic drumset that sounds like cheap analogue drum machines from the 70's. I figured everyone is trying to sound organic with their drum programming, maybe I should take the opposite tack and see where it leads me. I've blown enough wind.............your thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 18:10:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATN9XM09509; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:09:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <97.537d6c4b.2edd05fd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:08:45 EST Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.537d6c4b.2edd05fd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_97.537d6c4b.2edd05fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/04 6:04:51 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > your thoughts? > i agree! --part1_97.537d6c4b.2edd05fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/29/04 6:04:51 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


your thoughts?


i agree! --part1_97.537d6c4b.2edd05fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 18:18:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATNIAl10808; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:18:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:18:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <11.3990227f.2edd07d6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:16:38 EST Subject: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay reissue for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: <7VOGq.A.UmC.j36qBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brand new. I took it out to test it only. Perfect condition. Have EDP so don't need it contact me off list if interested violindave@aol.com Thanks Dave --part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brand new.  I took it out to= test it only.  Perfect condition.  Have EDP so don't need it

contact me off list if interested  violindave@aol.com

Thanks
Dave --part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 18:39:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATNd5e15663; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:39:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:39:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:39:50 -0800 Subject: Unpronounceable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is sort of late.(the show was over a week ago)But this list's own David Grossman is doing some interesting loopage of slapped and tapped figures on his 7 string bass in his power trio Unpronounceable. So, for sfbay area folks it's worth checking out. scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 19:01:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATNxPR20090; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:59:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:59:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ8JScIpAjXRWGbZDmn35jynXuNyQIUCDnQ9KPZ/9tsZTbwBDs8K6yCDXM= From: strdap@webtv.net (Jeff) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:58:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay reissue for sale Message-ID: <23434-41ABB7BE-2325@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Violindave@aol.com's message of Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:16:38 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-407-1232 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --WebTV-Mail-407-1232 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit How much? --WebTV-Mail-407-1232 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-3301.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.149) by storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:19:52 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by smtpin-3301.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 5EB80E133; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iATNIcD10998; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:18:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <11.3990227f.2edd07d6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:16:38 EST Subject: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay reissue for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: <7VOGq.A.UmC.j36qBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive --part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brand new. I took it out to test it only. Perfect condition. Have EDP so don't need it contact me off list if interested violindave@aol.com Thanks Dave --part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brand new.  I took it out to= test it only.  Perfect condition.  Have EDP so don't need it

contact me off list if interested  violindave@aol.com

Thanks
Dave --part1_11.3990227f.2edd07d6_boundary-- --WebTV-Mail-407-1232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 19:53:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU0pXB30898; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:51:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:51:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <001501c4d665$ef3ab6e0$e0142252@ponkscap9jl6gb> References: <001501c4d665$ef3ab6e0$e0142252@ponkscap9jl6gb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: best 13 pin replacement cable? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:50:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Brian Hamlin wrote: > How did that go Alex? Did you need to beef up the individual outputs at > all before they reached the mixer? It was pretty straightforward and works fine. The little Roland box that mounts on the instrument contains simple preamps (single opamp stage, I forget how much gain but I have the schematics at home). The signals on the 13-pin cable are unbalanced, so I chose to plug them into a four-channel Stewart DI box I had lying around just to balance and isolate them from the run to the mixer. Next up, I plan to build the balancing circuitry into the bass along with a crosspoint router; I have two polyphonic pickups (optical and magnetic) and three or four destinations (GI-20, VBass, mixer, and a spare in case Santa brings me a second VBass). The idea is to process each string separately, or to overlap timbres, or... Oh, in case it isn't obvious the volume knob doesn't control the audio level, it just sends a control voltage down one of the wires. Oh oh, the preamp requires power (+/- 7V) which is normally sent from the GK synth or processor up to the instrument. My mixer tap assumes that a GK device is providing power. I guess by now you can gather that the Balin comment from one of my shows would be "nice sound check, I kept waiting for an intro...") -Alex S. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] > Sent: 29 November 2004 22:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: best 13 pin replacement cable? > > > I made my own using parts from digikey.com, and it was a lot cheaper, > but I wouldn't recommend that route unless you need something special > (I wanted a breakout/splitter cable to send the individual string > signals to a mixer as well into a GK device.) > > -Alex S. > > > On Nov 29, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Legion wrote: > >> >> Was just wondering if anyone knew of a cheaper alternative to the >> roland >> 13 pin DIN cable used for their current line of guitar synths. I don't >> need one (yet) but it would be nice to have a backup. >> >> Any/all help appreciated >> >> >> >> -- >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com >> "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we > started..." >> >> Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > >> info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 20:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU12bW01748; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:02:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:02:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Tmbw7dq1j7FlC0m9RJpM4r0XEqbYZE3hMObGYlqN+80msFQ7UTLfG7zktTahAxjEl6vhftC2loR/Z1+ZDI1dqUG+xKjyLrxbKKqDccT+E8xNsjpzHERMf1dNqWl2Nbacbd39u0WwnzYmnYVdLHfAPwKYHzEFmP3zQDYz6T88Zp0= ; Message-ID: <20041130010205.26854.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: martyn st michael Reply-To: martyn@solarcandle.com Subject: performing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks i am new to list and am wanting to find out about venues to perform at in Bay area I do almost exclusive live performance mostly using my multi-tonal voice ala tuvan throatsinging, and other types of multi note singing to create very omnidimensional sounds many of which are not created directly by my voice but appear when diffent harmonic soundwaves merge. i also play most instruments i get my hands on. i primarily use a boss loop station and a laptop check out some of my past stuff at http://californiathroatsinger.iuma.com and let me know if you kknow of a place or event to perform thanks martyn (Omnitoner) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 20:12:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU1A0W03532; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:10:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:10:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c4d67a$07b875e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <112920041946.3680.41AB7C8F00032FA000000E6022007358340301019D97019B0A089B @ comcast.net> Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:15:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.185.251] at Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:09:28 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I (stupidly) passed up an opportunity to perform as part of an ensemble of 100 electric guitars playing Glenn Branca in NYC about 2 years ago (or was it three..). Dumb dumb dumb! We were all asked to bring small amps. Still, 100 15-watt amps would probably add up to something hellish and loud. :-) David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > Totally OT: > > Back in '83 I went to see Glenn Branca at the SF Symphony's New and > Unusual Music series. I was joined, quite by chance, by Paul Kantner > and Marty Balin (of the Jefferson Airplane/Starship). They both tried > to pretend I didn't know who they were, and I played along. > > Branca was known in those days for having the loudest performances > (at least in the artsy new music world), with a dozen or so electric > guitars all cranked. Kantner was unimpressed, making a point of how > much louder his own band was. But it was Balin, whose comment I won't > forget, "He has a lot of nice intros, but I keep waiting for the > song." > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 21:09:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU281i14552; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:08:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:08:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004112302122210@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:12:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940411a36a3ce4d182727beda1ed98eaa48350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.216 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Intro to Baba O'Reilly from 'Who's Next'." Wait, wait, that wasn't Pete's glitchy, bleepy ARP Avatar guitar synth. I'm pretty sure that that intro was a keyboard or a gen-1 sequencer. You want Who guitar synth, try "Going Mobile," or "Sheraton Gibson." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 21:22:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU2L5c17112; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-220041123022539770@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:25:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f1e2aa61036309f3e7b5778ecdb82d8e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.216 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Dumb dumb dumb!" Now, David, we've all passed up our share of life-changing events. (No, I am not gonna share mine, not unless you buy me a beer. Gerace knows where to find me ;-) Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 11/29/2004 8:10:46 PM > Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > > I (stupidly) passed up an opportunity to perform as part of an ensemble of > 100 electric guitars playing Glenn Branca in NYC about 2 years ago (or was > it three..). Dumb dumb dumb! > > We were all asked to bring small amps. Still, 100 15-watt amps would > probably add up to something hellish and loud. > > :-) > > David. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Zvonar" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > > > > Totally OT: > > > > Back in '83 I went to see Glenn Branca at the SF Symphony's New and > > Unusual Music series. I was joined, quite by chance, by Paul Kantner > > and Marty Balin (of the Jefferson Airplane/Starship). They both tried > > to pretend I didn't know who they were, and I played along. > > > > Branca was known in those days for having the loudest performances > > (at least in the artsy new music world), with a dozen or so electric > > guitars all cranked. Kantner was unimpressed, making a point of how > > much louder his own band was. But it was Balin, whose comment I won't > > forget, "He has a lot of nice intros, but I keep waiting for the > > song." > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 22:30:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU3UF500461; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:30:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:30:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c4d68d$81618040$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <410-220041123022539770@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:34:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.185.251] at Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:28:58 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <_qbRXD.A.29H.7j-qBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah - but I don't know where Frank is at now? Seahorse connects me not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > "Dumb dumb dumb!" > > Now, David, we've all passed up our share of life-changing events. (No, I > am not gonna share mine, not unless you buy me a beer. Gerace knows where > to find me ;-) > Tim Mungenast > www.mungenast.com > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Kirkdorffer > > To: > > Date: 11/29/2004 8:10:46 PM > > Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > > > > I (stupidly) passed up an opportunity to perform as part of an ensemble of > > 100 electric guitars playing Glenn Branca in NYC about 2 years ago (or was > > it three..). Dumb dumb dumb! > > > > We were all asked to bring small amps. Still, 100 15-watt amps would > > probably add up to something hellish and loud. > > > > :-) > > > > David. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Zvonar" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:03 PM > > Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > > > > > > > Totally OT: > > > > > > Back in '83 I went to see Glenn Branca at the SF Symphony's New and > > > Unusual Music series. I was joined, quite by chance, by Paul Kantner > > > and Marty Balin (of the Jefferson Airplane/Starship). They both tried > > > to pretend I didn't know who they were, and I played along. > > > > > > Branca was known in those days for having the loudest performances > > > (at least in the artsy new music world), with a dozen or so electric > > > guitars all cranked. Kantner was unimpressed, making a point of how > > > much louder his own band was. But it was Balin, whose comment I won't > > > forget, "He has a lot of nice intros, but I keep waiting for the > > > song." > > > -- > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > > (818) 788-2202 > > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 22:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU3sdq04489; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41ABEEE6.4040502@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:54:14 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 23aae711ae94f02c420d65a3f5d34ad29ef193a6bfc3dd4813272677d04643e4ab6c903a57befdec78c914e01878b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.81.216.236 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop.pool wrote:
In looping,  obvious techniques like replacing, overdubbing, changing loop lengths, etc. can help a
piece from being terminally static.   I also love the addition of random or non-random addition of effects
and/or filtering to preexisting loops when I play or when I listen to others playing.  Boy, my kindgom for
the random filtering algorhythm that is in that pricey Lexicon unit that Steve Lawson uses live.........it's so
cool because the rhythms constantly morph in a seemingly 'organic' way.
I've set up a patch in my Lexicon MPX-1 so that an LFO sweeps the frequency of the EQ module (I think I just used a simple Lowpass filter) to add a nice "random" filter sweep to my loops.  I'll also use additional delay (also in the MPX-1) to further randomize the filter sweeping.  To my ears, the result sounds more organic because it makes it more difficult to detect the "loop around" point.  Plus, it sounds cool!

Matt

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 23:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU4Kbp09411; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:20:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <41ABEEE6.4040502@finleysound.com> References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41ABEEE6.4040502@finleysound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:17:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: <5E4rQB.A.bRC.QT_qBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys ever thought of putting the loopers through some sort of tube preamp? The digital sound is something that grinds on my ear nerves. As far as randomizing what is not random, you spend so much time doing this that it is a bust in my mind. I could spend the time doing something else like playing music. I'm still not even messing with my two EDPs. They just sit and I play with long envelopes of sound through processors. I know they can do a whole mess of things but the whole idea of randomization of improvisation and the fixing of an item is incongruous although what you guys are saying seems right. I did take a loop and run it through a processor set for noise and it was OK cool but the sound degenerated so bad that I went through my signal chain to see if I had something wrong but it was solid. They are doing marvelous things with putting a modeler through a 12ax7 tube. I heard a Vox amp, a Valvetronix that used this combination of tube and modeling and it was very nice and natural. What about tubing up an EDP? Make sense? I don't know at what point in the Vox the tube was. I figure in the front end of the signal? Dunno. Still clueless, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 29 23:36:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU4aGq11972; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:36:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:36:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41ABF8AC.3050909@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:35:56 -0500 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41ABEEE6.4040502@finleysound.com> In-Reply-To: <41ABEEE6.4040502@finleysound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c52dedda80ed2929a512b24d8364b7ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.136.203 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometimes I'll modulate filter cutoff or panning of percussion samples by a tiny increment from a random (S/H) LFO of speed 0. So with each hit the sound changes in a very subtle way. You could take forever to do the programming by hand, but that's what LFOs are there for. Good luck. -J Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > loop.pool wrote: > >> In looping, obvious techniques like replacing, overdubbing, changing >> loop lengths, etc. can help a >> piece from being terminally static. I also love the addition of >> random or non-random addition of effects >> and/or filtering to preexisting loops when I play or when I listen to >> others playing. Boy, my kindgom for >> the random filtering algorhythm that is in that pricey Lexicon unit >> that Steve Lawson uses live.........it's so >> cool because the rhythms constantly morph in a seemingly 'organic' way. > > I've set up a patch in my Lexicon MPX-1 so that an LFO sweeps the > frequency of the EQ module (I think I just used a simple Lowpass > filter) to add a nice "random" filter sweep to my loops. I'll also > use additional delay (also in the MPX-1) to further randomize the > filter sweeping. To my ears, the result sounds more organic because > it makes it more difficult to detect the "loop around" point. Plus, > it sounds cool! > > Matt > > -- > King Never > www.finleysound.com/kingnever > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 00:32:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU5TaZ21149; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:29:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.244] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:28:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 05:29:01.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FD2D6B0:01C4D69D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Branca story is hilarious. I can see how someone would say that about his stuff. I wish it was easier to get some of those sorts of effects without it being so loud,but as I understand it ,he's really working with the reoonance of the space , which makes sense to me.I've never heard the shimmer of Gamelan come through on recordings.You can hear it but you can't feel it.And when you feel it all around you it's quite different than it just being in front of you. They call it Umbak when the gong makes a big wave through the room. I read that Sonic Youth was inspired by Branca,and when I heard them they definately had sort of a huge ball of energy they were working. like the audio equivailaent of heat waves over the road surface.I stood at the other end of the stadium ,and it was still way too loud,but the textures were great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 00:36:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU5ZTr22316; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.244] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041129131011.01a56760@mail.creepingfog.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:34:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 05:35:01.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[569F3DF0:01C4D69E] Resent-Message-ID: <_PjJP.A.BcF.OaArBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com makes me think of the many times a song ruins a nice intro. Seems like a rock cliche for the intro to be pretty and or creative,just to show that the band can do something besides power chords,screaming and shredding -then the power chords come in From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 03:04:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU83ri09813; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:03:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:03:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41ABF8AC.3050909@neoprimitive.net> References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41ABEEE6.4040502@finleysound.com> <41ABF8AC.3050909@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D93125D-42A6-11D9-A91E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:03:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a lot to bring up on this topic but my main trick I is to apply compression to the master. In a live looping set-up I always put a Really Nice Compressor between my looping rig and the house PA system. Threshold and ratio set up to swell reverb between notes played as well as dynamically matching hihat level against the booming of the kick. This generally dynamic sound option has a big impact on both my playing and programming and I look at it more as "part of my instrument" than as a mastering treat. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 03:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU8YZi13571; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:34:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41AC3045.2010403@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:33:09 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop.pool wrote: ... > In looping, obvious techniques like replacing, overdubbing, changing > loop lengths, etc. can help a > piece from being terminally static. I also love the addition of random > or non-random addition of effects > and/or filtering to preexisting loops when I play or when I listen to > others playing. Boy, my kindgom for > the random filtering algorhythm that is in that pricey Lexicon unit that > Steve Lawson uses live.........it's so > cool because the rhythms constantly morph in a seemingly 'organic' way. My live setup, based on looping in AbletonLive4, uses a lot of effects after the loops, one of them being the bultin filter plugin, which has a nice smooth random lfo, that does a neat stereo filter spread thing, too. I also use this effect in the feedback loop of my loopers (the lexicon plugin and ellotronixXL). It's not intelligent randomization, by no means, but it works. ... > Then, of course, there is the addition of actuall real time (non looped) > playing over the top of > of static elements. Curious, though, if we use that approach alone > it seems, after awhile to call more > attention to the stasis of the loop. I've noticed that as well. Working with a lot of individual loops, 4 or more, seems to require a *lot* of work, if you want the results to remain as organic as when you started. Doing different loop lengths and odd meters does help, though. > And finally, sometimes it's cool to be REALLY ARTIFICIAL and static > about our playing. I agree. I like semi-stuttering half-bar loops. Starting a track using really minimal material also buys a lot of time to set up the next sounds ;-) Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 03:53:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAU8pdZ15429; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:51:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c4d6b9$e7a79570$7300a8c0@jdb> From: "Jesper Barrit" To: Subject: Looping-newbie looking for suggestions :) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:52:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <5RMnBB.A.SwD.DSDrBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello :) I'm a looping-newbie looking for some suggestions on a looper that has the following features: - Must sound good and not be noisy. - Must have good midi implementation, since I'll be controlling it from a midipedal (Rocktron All Access). - I prefer units that has a universal power supply (so it can be powered anywhere in the world). - Must be around/under 5-6 inches deep, so it can fit in the back of my rack. I have been looking at the Lexicon JamMan, the Line6 Echo Pro and the Gibson EDP. I have a few question about those: - The JamMan has a low sample rate, so it might sound awful? - The Line6 Echo Pro is cheap and has all the other delay models build in (which I wont use, though), but it seems to have a bad reputation? - The Gibson EDP is the most expensive, but it has alot of features, but that might be overkill for my looping-newbie needs? I've seen many different version of this one with different software and design, which one is the one to get? So what do you suggest? JamMan or Echo Pro? Or maybe even EDP? Thanks :) Best regards, Jesper From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 08:44:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUDgTr22783; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000b01c4d6b9$e7a79570$7300a8c0@jdb> References: <000b01c4d6b9$e7a79570$7300a8c0@jdb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <97A6165C-42D5-11D9-BDB6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping-newbie looking for suggestions :) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:41:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jesper, Here's a page with good info on most looping devices: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html. AFAIK the EDP has the best midi implementation (for hardware based loopers) but if it is "overkill" only you can answer. If you intend to stay around the newbie user level it is certainly overkill but if you intend to learn more on looping you will probably want to get an EDP anyway ;-) For some of your questions there are long and detailed answers to be found at the Looper's Delight Mailing List Archive, http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive/. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Nov 30, 2004, at 9:52, Jesper Barrit wrote: > Hello :) > > I'm a looping-newbie looking for some suggestions on a looper that has > the > following features: > > - Must sound good and not be noisy. > > - Must have good midi implementation, since I'll be controlling it > from a > midipedal (Rocktron All Access). > > - I prefer units that has a universal power supply (so it can be > powered > anywhere in the world). > > - Must be around/under 5-6 inches deep, so it can fit in the back of my > rack. > > I have been looking at the Lexicon JamMan, the Line6 Echo Pro and the > Gibson > EDP. I have a few question about those: > > - The JamMan has a low sample rate, so it might sound awful? > > - The Line6 Echo Pro is cheap and has all the other delay models build > in > (which I wont use, though), but it seems to have a bad reputation? > > - The Gibson EDP is the most expensive, but it has alot of features, > but > that might be overkill for my looping-newbie needs? I've seen many > different > version of this one with different software and design, which one is > the one > to get? > > So what do you suggest? JamMan or Echo Pro? Or maybe even EDP? > > Thanks :) > > Best regards, > Jesper > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 10:14:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUFD8M03566; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:13:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:13:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <27126216.1101827538087.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:12:18 -0800 (PST) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually it's a Lowrey home organ, using a setting called "Marimba Repeat". http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/equip-baba.htm >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:12:02 -0500 >From: "Timothy Mungenast" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros >"Intro to Baba O'Reilly from 'Who's Next'." >Wait, wait, that wasn't Pete's glitchy, bleepy ARP Avatar guitar synth. I'm >pretty sure that that intro was a keyboard or a gen-1 sequencer. You want >Who guitar synth, try "Going Mobile," or "Sheraton Gibson." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 10:19:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUFIrq04369; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:18:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41AC3045.2010403@post.cybercity.dk> References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AC3045.2010403@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <090DB65B-42E3-11D9-B88F-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:18:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what it's worth, my favorite method of pseudo-randomization (of drum loops) is so easy, I'm almost embarrassed to mention it. I like to program my percussion parts, whatever they may be, and use one or two more beat-boxes (software-based). On those I put subtle percussion hits, spaced somewhat apart and in different time signatures. It isn't really randomized, but it helps disguised the randomless-ness of the drum parts. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 12:05:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUH2nQ19913; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:02:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:02:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41AD261C.2C3F3C8F@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:02:03 -0800 From: cul-baisser@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AC3045.2010403@post.cybercity.dk> <090DB65B-42E3-11D9-B88F-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: Srf0YaZrYeQrCwz6GIfcGL+FxCoariDRM1QnGbmrdH+HJG4GOuXakD X-TOI-MSGID: 18f09202-a5e3-4288-9786-b611de74e171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I.) I always try to find a balance between "Programming"(fixed composition) and "Looping"(free improvisation) *** The relationship is in some cases maybe a liitle bit to nifty-easy-traced *** II.) I seldom have the experience,that I can make free music by improvisation by myself,because always there is the heritage based in my brain,what I once learned through ETUDES and other musical experience. III.) But on the other hand,my "programmed" compositions are also influenced by the experiences I made through "Improviasations". IV.) Music itself has a kind of fluid character.The perfect music is-if compared to cooking water,where water can get fluid,but also a kind of steam and all the in betweens. V.) I have learnt over a long period,how to work with all this machines,wich needs programming.Hardware based or Software based. And mostly they offered me a big space to develop my own system to tell my musical story,wich is at least a nice excerpt of my own life. VI.) A Random function in a Software can help.But at least you as artist must decide,what you want or dislike. But in the last point,you are the one who must decide if you want it or not. VII:) Beware to get lost in Parameter-Frenzy. VIII:) A Random function offers you always a combination of all possibiliteis,but you are the one who has to choose,the only right one. IX.) Improvisation can demonstrate,what a musican has touched in his life as musican. X.) Music can not be fixed in algorithms.Once you thought,you got the spirit,this spirit breaks away and leave you alone. And then we find you in your ruins of System. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 12:24:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUHMkh22272; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <38B0C22E-42F4-11D9-8152-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:21:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: <4RKBE.A.sZF.KwKrBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Nov 29, 2004, at 9:28 PM, samba - wrote: > when I heard them [Sonic Youth] they definately had sort of a huge > ball of energy they were working. like the audio equivailaent of heat > waves over the road surface. Nice. I've only seen them do an acoustic set (?!?) but I still know what you mean. So I guess it isn't just a high volume effect. I suspect that playing really really loud makes it easier to forget some of the usual things we hear (notes and rhythms), and tune into spectral contours and timbres instead. But once you've done that, you can listen that way at lower levels too. Sort of like how jumping off a cliff might make you forget your stiff neck for a moment, but then after that you can feel pain all over. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 13:01:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUI07M29713; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:00:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:00:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.110] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:58:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 17:59:00.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[456CA460:01C4D706] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In general I really dislike loud music,I don't play rock and never want to play at rock volume levels.from the late 70s to the earlyu 90s I played only acoustic music,and have only returned to electronics in the last 5 years. But in a guitar player magazine article one of the sonics said they had specifically gotten this high volume technique/effect idea from Glen Branca,and that you could only do it at very high volume levels. I like your phrase spectral contours alot. and suspect that you're right that some people have to learn to hear such things.But I do think there' aee things that could only be gotten with extreme volume.I may never know for sure because I'mnever going to play at those levels. In Gamelan music there are related effects ,much subtler ,but Gamelan player end up with hearing damage too ,if they don't use ear protection. To really hear the shimmeryouhave to hit those keys. I've only seen them do an acoustic set (?!?) but I still know what you mean. So I guess it isn't just a high volume effect. I suspect that playing really really loud makes it easier to forget some of the usual things we hear (notes and rhythms), and tune into spectral contours and timbres instead. But once you've done that, you can listen that way at lower levels too. Sort of like how jumping off a cliff might make you forget your stiff neck for a moment, but then after that you can feel pain all over. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 14:21:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUJKNx09353; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: cool guitar synth intros Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:04 -0700 Message-ID: <01fa01c4d711$74f42630$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <27126216.1101827538087.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, they are more like complete songs than just intros, but I think Metheny, Abercrombie, and Frisell definitely need called out as noteworthy guitar synth examples. Metheny and Abercrombie are both using the GR-300 in these....not sure about Frisell. Abercrombie/Johnson/Erskine - "Four on One" http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=01231080108070655 0&cid=600111 Pat Metheny - "Offramp" (from the CD Offramp) http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=00122620105000690 0&cid=600111 Bill Frisell - " "Us and Whose Army" (from American Blood Safety in Numbers) http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=00997440110070690 0&cid=600111 Or "Dawn of Man" - http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=00997440108070690 0&cid=600111 For looping and innovation, I highly recommend this Frisell CD, released in 1995.it is quite amazing in my opinion. It is my most favorite Frisell CD, next to "Live" and "Rambler." You can listen to all the sound clips here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002GQW/qid=1101840483/ sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-1677119-7355856?v=glance&s=music ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 17:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUMAps04026; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c4d72a$21e26560$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:15:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.204.212] at Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:10:02 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SWANS were masters of creating loud realities this way. Just thinking about them makes my ears sing! God, they were loud. ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:28 AM Subject: Re: cool guitar synth intros > The Branca story is hilarious. I can see how someone would say that about > his stuff. I wish it was easier to get some of those sorts of effects > without it being so loud,but as I understand it ,he's really working with > the reoonance of the space , which makes sense to me.I've never heard the > shimmer of Gamelan come through on recordings.You can hear it but you can't > feel it.And when you feel it all around you it's quite different than it > just being in front of you. They call it Umbak when the gong makes a big > wave through the room. I read that Sonic Youth was inspired by Branca,and > when I heard them they definately had sort of a huge ball of energy they > were working. like the audio equivailaent of heat waves over the road > surface.I stood at the other end of the stadium ,and it was still way too > loud,but the textures were great. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 18:02:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUN0YG11383; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c4d731$13a0ef60$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Eno/Fripp website Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:05:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.204.212] at Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:59:46 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <9rMhxC.A.cwC.mtPrBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just came across this. Thought a few others here might be interetested... http://home.cogeco.ca/~frippertronics/Frippertronics.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 18:06:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iAUN50o12220; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:05:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: ORGANIC programming and looping Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:04:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c4d730$e2d9c0a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id iAUN2ca11723 Resent-Message-ID: <_IqV5D.A.g3C.PwPrBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, you're leading us into deep philosophical territority here, and in discussing it is hard to know where to start (and where to stop). There are lots of thoughts in your message, like the use of statistical effects on music (or audio signals, to keep it more general, or signals to stay even more general), the work with serial structures (as exemplified by many a looper (e.g. J.S. Bach) or electronica artist (e.g. Karlheinz Stockhausen), and of course the influence of a human on a performance (making it musical or flawed or musically flawed). Music basically is about repetition and about static elements. This becomes clear from listening to almost any music (and to abouth everything I've heard from you loopers here). And this is only natural, even if analyzed from a theoretical signal theory/entropy approach: I remember Murray Gell-Mann talkin about the content of information in a signal (using the example of a text if I remember correctly). You could either use a very simple generating function like "take the letter a and repeat it times, obtaining a clearly structured result which does not contain very much information or in other words is boring. Or you could take the generating function of "choose 100000 letters arbitrarily", obtaining a completely unstructured result which again does not contain very much information (which can be seen by the fact that the generating function in both cases is very simple". Interesting stuff lies somewhere in between, something like a Bach fugue or a piece by (say) Karlheinz Stockhausen or Rick Walker. This experience and the consequences we pull from it will not be new to anyone here. And to come back to your example, taking "play Loop A (length 4 bars) for 20 bars" might sound boring, while "play Loop A (length 4 bars) through time-modulated effect A' (period 5 bars) for 20 bars" gives you both the repetitive elements about any music-listener likes, together with 20 totally unique bars (an approach also used by the minimal music movement). Add to that the human performer element. As lots of us work in a quasi-live setting for generating their performances, the looper gives us the possibility to work with the contrast of the perfect repetition vs. the flawed one. I recently worked with that effect consciusly by recording a simple 4 bar bass/guitar loop and then alternating between playing the recorded bass and guitar part, at the same time adding the missing part "live". And then add to that the real statistical element (although if we put our filter or other effect devices into "random", hardly a mathematician would agree that this is really random). Also this sounds interesting to most ears if used properly (as you mentioned "tiny but constrained"). So what do we learn from that. For me, basically only what I already knew: that it is necessary to use your brain to be able to make interesting music :-) (sorry, this message doesn't have a proper message. Count it as some pseudophilosophical babbling or simply ignore it). Rainer ps: regarding really artifical sound. I remember this recording by Jack DeJohnette (can't remember the name of the album or piece) with this p/b/dr trio plus big horn section (taken mostly from Carla Bley, trumpets, french horns, trombone, tuba, flutes, bass clarinet...you name it), all recorded in the typical ECM fashion - and on top of that a 70ies drum machine's hand clap sound! Yes, sometimes it is cool to sound really artifical! -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. November 2004 00:05 An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Betreff: ORGANIC programming and looping I've really been thinking a lot in my own compositions about what makes something feel 'organic'. Using the potentially overstatic techniques of live looping, sequencing and arpeggiating (all those repetitive things that we both love and that can certainly limit us, aesthetically) I think any sophisticated electronica composer trys to figure out how to simulate the live performance of multiple real time musicians. In drum computer programming, putting in lots of little tiny but constrained random variations in resonance, cutoff, panning, volume, timing can really fool people into thinking that they are listening to a live drumming track. The same is true of synth bubbles or arpeggios. I'm still waiting for someone to incorporate some generated Boid algorhythms into some of the more popular sequencing programs (including drum computer programs like Battery and Fruity Loops). Those are the algorhythms created to simulate the variation in formations of birds as they flock and turn in the air. In looping, obvious techniques like replacing, overdubbing, changing loop lengths, etc. can help a piece from being terminally static. I also love the addition of random or non-random addition of effects and/or filtering to preexisting loops when I play or when I listen to others playing. Boy, my kindgom for the random filtering algorhythm that is in that pricey Lexicon unit that Steve Lawson uses live.........it's so cool because the rhythms constantly morph in a seemingly 'organic' way. I've also noticed that sometime the addition of merely one element that is changing can give an entire static set of loops or sequences an 'organic' feel. Then, of course, there is the addition of actuall real time (non looped) playing over the top of of static elements. Curious, though, if we use that approach alone it seems, after awhile to call more attention to the stasis of the loop. And finally, sometimes it's cool to be REALLY ARTIFICIAL and static about our playing. Lately, along those lines, I've been experimenting with and acoustic drumset that sounds like cheap analogue drum machines from the 70's. I figured everyone is trying to sound organic with their drum programming, maybe I should take the opposite tack and see where it leads me. I've blown enough wind.............your thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 19:03:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB1025w21170; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:02:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:02:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <000201c4d730$e2d9c0a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000201c4d730$e2d9c0a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1002146508 Message-Id: From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: AW: ORGANIC programming and looping Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:58:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--1002146508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I am only inspired to make a fart sound. I can mask the sound but not the smell, if you don't hear it it doesn't exist and the smell comes floating out of the cosmos disembodied like a smelly phantasm. Now what I eat most certainly govern all of my body odors from whatever cavity or pore. You are what you eat and does a fart happen if you careless walk away from taking responsibility for such course action even if you ate Mexican food? I think not because it is not associated with anyone in particular. Ass-ociated. Maybe if you burp. Now if a plane crashes into your performance do you have a right to claim it as part of your composition even though pilot error was something that you governed not? The generation of random acts are oxymoronic. How could they be? You placed yourself under the plane and the cosmos took care of the rest. Generating random acts? Um, huh? I sit and mess with a serial process to sound random. I throw pocket change into a grand piano's strings. In the final analysis is anything in music random? The only piece that even comes close to random is Cage's 4'33" but the setting is contrived to hold the randomness of the cheap earthly cosmos of technology flying overhead and a cell phone and a cough. Bach really had nothing to deal with. There were plenty of compositions to write in C left and Stockhausen had it easy because maybe he had a certain thing he was reacting to or against and a number system to adhere to as Bach had tonality. We have a hard time. I mean this is all about being original right? Post modern quandary? My washing machine really sound very good now. I'm going to throw some pocket change into it after it drains. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--1002146508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I am only inspired to make a fart sound. I can mask the sound but not the smell, if you don't hear it it doesn't exist and the smell comes floating out of the cosmos disembodied like a smelly phantasm. Now what I eat most certainly govern all of my body odors from whatever cavity or pore. You are what you eat and does a fart happen if you careless walk away from taking responsibility for such course action even if you ate Mexican food? I think not because it is not associated with anyone in particular. Ass-ociated. Maybe if you burp. Now if a plane crashes into your performance do you have a right to claim it as part of your composition even though pilot error was something that you governed not? The generation of random acts are oxymoronic. How could they be? You placed yourself under the plane and the cosmos took care of the rest. Generating random acts? Um, huh? I sit and mess with a serial process to sound random. I throw pocket change into a grand piano's strings. In the final analysis is anything in music random? The only piece that even comes close to random is Cage's 4'33" but the setting is contrived to hold the randomness of the cheap earthly cosmos of technology flying overhead and a cell phone and a cough. Bach really had nothing to deal with. There were plenty of compositions to write in C left and Stockhausen had it easy because maybe he had a certain thing he was reacting to or against and a number system to adhere to as Bach had tonality. We have a hard time. I mean this is all about being original right? Post modern quandary? My washing machine really sound very good now. I'm going to throw some pocket change into it after it drains. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--1002146508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 30 22:27:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB13QHs25966; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41AD39A0.6050107@finleysound.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:25:20 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ORGANIC programming and looping References: <00f501c4d667$ce890bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AC3045.2010403@post.cybercity.dk> <090DB65B-42E3-11D9-B88F-00039383F742@sccadv.com> <41AD261C.2C3F3C8F@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 23aae711ae94f02c420d65a3f5d34ad29ef193a6bfc3dd484f37cce08d9b10f35589d2fed2c25a7a7ef9f80aaf77e5a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.81.217.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin Tauchen wrote:
VII:) Beware to get lost in Parameter-Frenzy.

VIII:) A Random function offers you always a combination of all
possibiliteis,but you are the one who has to choose,the only right one.

With all this talk of "random" LFOs and parameters, I'm wondering if they truly are random.  Probably not.  Any computer engineering types care to comment?




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 > i'll add another Who track to the list.  Intro to Baba O'Reilly from
'Who's Next'.

>>That's not guitar synth, that's just a straight up synth track (the kind
>>with keys-ARP 2600 to be specific).  Same thing with Who Are You I think.

>>Kevin


Indeed the synth intros/parts on =8CBaba=B9, =8CFooled=B9, and =8CWho are you?=B9 are
various combos of organ (hammond?) , analog filters/sample & hold and analo=
g
synth.

>From the nerd, =8Crock history=B9 side, the cool thing is that the solo on
=8CGoing Mobile=B9 is Pete playing guitar plugged into the back of a synth, I
believe the ARP. It=B9s perhaps the first =8Cguitar/synth=B9 solo for whatever
that=B9s worth.




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Synth Intros/Townshend


 > i'll add another Who track to the list. =
 Intro to Baba O'Reilly from

'Who's Next'.



>>That's not guitar synth, that's just a straight up synth track (the=
 kind

>>with keys-ARP 2600 to be specific).  Same thing with Who Are Y=
ou I think.



>>Kevin





Indeed the synth intros/parts on ‘Baba’, ‘Fooled’, =
and ‘Who are you?’ are various combos of organ (hammond?) , anal=
og filters/sample & hold and analog synth.



>From the nerd, ‘rock history’ side, the cool thing is that the =
solo on ‘Going Mobile’ is Pete playing guitar plugged into the b=
ack of a synth, I believe the ARP. It’s perhaps the first ‘guita=
r/synth’ solo for whatever that’s worth.










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