From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 02:45:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i816giO19154; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <13195343.1094020903366.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:41:43 -0700 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gear for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 218.222.219.194/instID=110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I live in Japan and have had a difficult time finding an EDP. Local music stores don't carry them and it seems like eBay sellers prefer to ship within the United States A few weeks ago one of the members posted that he saw one listed for sale. I contacted the seller as soon as heard about it and he agreed to ship it over. Thanks to the timely info I was able to get a great piece of gear at a great price. Cool list! TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 03:24:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i817N2t26322; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 03:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 03:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c48ff4$cdadd410$9e4dff17@steve> From: "stefano" To: References: <000701c48c2f$c603dcf0$01fea8c0@Andy> <001301c48c7c$38859b50$9e4dff17@steve> Subject: Re: Never do this Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:25:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok folks,my EDP works fine,I did a parameter reset . Thanks a lot for help and suggestions Stefano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Never do this > >No, turn it off/on a lot of times and the result was the same > > he ment to start with Param button pressed to reset the parameters. > I doubt that it will fix a distortion thought. > more even I doubt that the pluging of just the pedal caused it. > maybe you connected some other machine with a different grounding or so? > > did you test it in a totally different surrounding, no pedal, just a > mic and some different amp connected? > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Andy Ewen > >To: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight .com > >Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:17 PM > >Subject: RE: Never do this > > > >It is very unlikely that plugging the f/s in while it is on caused > >any damage; I've done this 100s of times. Have you tried a parameter > >re-set? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: stefano [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it] > >Sent: 27 August 2004 10:48 > >To: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight .com > >Subject: Never do this > > > >Hi at all, > >I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping > >and I had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the > >EDP was plaing but the EDP started with distorced sound.I think is > >broken. > >Now I need a autorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there > >someone who can help me? > >Stefano > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 06:37:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i81AZKS06572; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:35:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:35:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1094034884!19301472 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: just for LD list members... Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:28:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4900E.62F6CD60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4900E.62F6CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have gmail invitations to give out to LD members. 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4900E.62F6CD60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 11:15:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i81FBR114571; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:11:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:11:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:03:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: just for LD list members... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1118071078==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <9yACcB.A.hiD.cZeNBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1118071078==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:28 AM +0100 9/1/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >what the heck is gmail? A quick Web search on "gmail" returns: http://gmail.google.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1118071078==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: just for LD list members...
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what the heck is gmail?

A quick Web search on "gmail" returns:

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--============_-1118071078==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 12:23:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i81GGHk27067; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:16:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:16:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <25276590.1094055277124.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:14:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alesis Bitrman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopers! After 4 years of looping, it's good to finally join this list. I'd like to add to Mr. Kirkdorffer's comments regarding the lovely Alesis Bitrman: I am enjoying mine immensely, as it's basically "Subotnik In A Box." Yeah, you can emulate the sounds in the OHM 3-CD boxed set! Here is an incredibly flexible little box that can totally derange your sound, turning it into something akin to early electronic music...add some delay and you've got "Forbidden Planet"! And modern sounds are here, too: To pick just one example, I'd always wanted to get that robotic modem-dialing sound, and now it's possible. Also, it's the most musical-sounding ring modulator besides the $400 boutique jobs, and it's going for beer money at Musician's Friend. (Just make sure to register your box if you buy one...mine blew up and Alesis replaced it free.) Speaking of Ring Mods (I own 4), anyone wanna buy a DOD Gonkulator? Exc. cond. in box w/manual, $150 o/b/o. Purple metalflake w/ lurid green and yellow accents. True, there may be better, more flexible ringmods out there...this is for collectors who like rare. weird pedals. (For example, a Honda Civic is a more competent car than an MG, but which would you rather cruise around in? If you choose the MG, this may be the pedal for you.) Also, my DOD DFX94 looper is experiencing on-off difficulties...any DFX94 owners who can shed some light on this? I've got a Zoom Player that can loop but it's just not as intuitive and frankly I'm a little afraid of it ;-) Yours in Sound, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 19:57:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i81Niko13933; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:44:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <127.49f7d9a0.2e67b704@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:36:36 EDT Subject: broken FP02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.49f7d9a0.2e67b704_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_127.49f7d9a0.2e67b704_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit after screwing around with a broken expression pedal for my mighty zoom 2100 for about 2 years, it kinda worked.....i got a new one today.....oh happy day.....i am so goofy, i claim to care about my tone but i never change my strings and when i do i go crazy for how good it sounds, i wait over 2 years to get this pedal, my rang has a broken aux out, what is that doing i wonder?.....well that one forced me to split the line out and it works quite nicely i might add but now i'd love to split the aux out and then send that to two different places.....it's the simple things, or what is the expression "G*D IS IN THE DETAILS".....:).....i better play a gig soon, i'm going kindanutz.....are these times crazy or is it just me?.....:).....michael --part1_127.49f7d9a0.2e67b704_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable after screwing aroun= d with a broken expression pedal for my mighty zoom 2100 for about 2 years,=20= it kinda worked.....i got a new one today.....oh happy day.....i am so goofy= , i claim to care about my tone but i never change my strings and when i do=20= i go crazy for how good it sounds, i wait over 2 years to get this pedal, my= rang has a broken aux out, what is that doing i wonder?.....well that one f= orced me to split the line out and it works quite nicely i might add but now= i'd love to split the aux out and then send that to two different places...= ..it's the simple things, or what is the expression "G*D IS IN THE DETAILS".= ....:).....i better play a gig soon, i'm going kindanutz.....are these times= crazy or is it just me?.....:).....michael --part1_127.49f7d9a0.2e67b704_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 22:05:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8223Ck11314; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-2200494221114350@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: broken FP02 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:11:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405a08f7f8e1c2c7415c70134a611b8ae4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.160 Resent-Message-ID: <7KMxGD.A.QuC.Q8nNBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII No, it's not just you...the times *are* nuts. Regarding Zoom, since my beloved 505 is getting increasingly hissssssssssssy (too noisy for going direct to Fostex at my noise gigs), I'm going to have to bite the bullet and really learn my Zoom 2100 and its user-hostile op system. (It's been largely idle since I bought it in '99...it cries "you never take me anywhere!") Either that or buy a parametric to notch out the hiss? Is it worth the trouble? Yeah, I, too am a contradiction, tone-wise: I care deeply about my tone (e.g., I don't skimp on cables, I use a DOD Bi-FET buffer preamp at the front of my ever-changing signal chain, and my Vox Nova has THE clean-with-attitude tone), but because I like sonic exploration just as much as I like shimmering "Greek Ideal" tone, I find myself in luv with tone-sucking "fake-bypass" digital pedals like the Zoom, where the signal gets sent through cheap converters even while in so-called bypass. Time for a true-bypass box from www.loooper.com (no typo) or equivalent...as soon as I get a full-time job that allows me to spend money on gear without feeling like a schmuck! BTW, Boss pedals are such lo-fi bypass (esp. my beloved SD-1, "Cippollina in a box") that I'm not buying any more Bosses than what I've got,and I will have to put them in a loop someday soon. ~tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 9/1/2004 7:45:37 PM Subject: broken FP02 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
No, it's not just you...the times *are* nuts. Regarding Zoom, since my beloved 505 is getting increasingly hissssssssssssy (too noisy for going direct to Fostex at my noise gigs), I'm going to have to bite the bullet and really learn my Zoom 2100 and its user-hostile op system. (It's been largely idle since I bought it in '99...it cries "you never take me anywhere!")
Either that or buy a parametric to notch out the hiss? Is it worth the trouble?
Yeah, I, too am a contradiction, tone-wise: I  care deeply about my tone (e.g., I don't skimp on cables, I use a DOD Bi-FET buffer preamp at the front of my ever-changing signal chain, and my Vox Nova has THE clean-with-attitude tone),  but because I like sonic exploration just as much as I like shimmering "Greek Ideal" tone, I find myself in luv with tone-sucking "fake-bypass" digital pedals like the Zoom, where the signal gets sent through cheap converters even while in so-called bypass. Time for a true-bypass box from www.loooper.com (no typo) or equivalent...as soon as I get a full-time job that allows me to spend money on gear without feeling like a schmuck!  
BTW, Boss pedals are such lo-fi bypass (esp. my beloved SD-1, "Cippollina in a box") that I'm not buying any more Bosses than what I've got,and I will have to put them in a loop someday soon.
~tim
 
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 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 02:04:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i825uSj25103; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 01:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 01:56:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: broken FP02 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:58:25 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <127.49f7d9a0.2e67b704@aol.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't wait to hear what comes out of this burst! Very encouraging post indeed Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 2. September 2004 01:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: broken FP02 after screwing around with a broken expression pedal for my mighty zoom 2100 for about 2 years, it kinda worked.....i got a new one today.....oh happy day.....i am so goofy, i claim to care about my tone but i never change my strings and when i do i go crazy for how good it sounds, i wait over 2 years to get this pedal, my rang has a broken aux out, what is that doing i wonder?.....well that one forced me to split the line out and it works quite nicely i might add but now i'd love to split the aux out and then send that to two different places.....it's the simple things, or what is the expression "G*D IS IN THE DETAILS".....:).....i better play a gig soon, i'm going kindanutz.....are these times crazy or is it just me?.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 07:19:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i82BE0j08744; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:14:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c48f4b$8e0c5ab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:13:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7IjPxD.A.HHC.fBwNBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to announce that there are a limited number of performance spots left for the Y2K4 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, October 8th (opening concert is full up) Saturday, October 9th Sunday, October 10th in Santa Cruz, California with the annual Loopers Brunch on Monday, October 11th Performance slots are non-paid and only artists who use live looping techniques in their music should apply. Each artist has a maximum of 20 minutes to set up, 30 minutes to play and 10 minutes to breakdown (with the help of a bunch of friendly loopers). If you are interested and I don't know your work, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE ON THIS LIST but send a CD of your live looping work to: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 USA Producing this festival is pretty all consuming so please direct all enquiries to my personal e-mail address (RICKWALKER@looppool.info). I may not be able to read Loopers Delight's digest for several days at a time. I will post the details and final scheduling of the concert in about one week's time and will not have any time to respond to specific information requests until after that time. My apologies in advance. There are very few slots left so hurry if you are interested. Here's the first scoop on the festival: Y2K4 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Opening Concert: Art Gallery to be determined FRIDAY NIGHT, OCTOBER 8th 8 p.m. free admission to the public, all ages welcome SUNAO INAMI (Japan), ROBERTO ZORZI (Italy), MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR (United States) SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9th noon to midnight SUNDAY, OCTOBER 10th noon to midnight THE RESONANT CHURCH Pennsylvania 1/4 block south of Soquel Avenue $10 USD for each day with no one turned away for lack of funds SCHEDULED ARTISTS: Sunao Inami (Japan), Roberto Zorzi (Italy), lol C (England), Gareth Whittock (Wales), Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland) Bill Walker (Santa Cruz), Michael Klobuchar (Pennsylvania), Loop.pooL (Santa Cruz), Matt Davignon (Ca.), George Demarest (Massachusetss),Warren Sirota (New York), Are Jay Hoffman (US), Joe Balestreri (California), Andre Custodio (California), Phyll Smith (aka DArk Muse-California), Koorosh Daryiae (California/Persia), Stanitarium (California), Mark Hamburg (Santa Cruz), Trey Donovan (Ca.), Eric Oberthaler (Ca.), Timothy Crowe (Ca.), J Sidhlo (Texas), Dr.Richard Zvonar (Ca.), Max Valentino (Ca.), Chris Cutler (Santa Cruz), Gary Regina (Ca.), Ted Killian (Oregon). Leo Sauvageau and Ginger (US), Daniel Lewis and Pipa Pinon (Santa Cruz),Brian Kenney Fresno (Mars), Peter Chester and Deep Fried (Santa Cruz),Craig Mccollough (Santa Cruz) Annual Loopers Brunch: MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th 1 p.m. THE CATALYST (Pacific Avenue, Santa Cruz) Free except for price of brunch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 10:11:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i82E8Ge03421; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:08:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:08:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: questions to EDP Loop IV Sysex specialists Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:10:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This are some questions for EDP Loop IV Sysex specialists (EDP manual p. 11-3 ff) 1. How do I calculate the memory size with these 3 bytes? When I send a INFO_REQUEST, I get: f0 00 01 30 0b 00 01 01 01 3f 6e 07 f7 The bytes 3f 6e 07 are supposed to represent the memory size. (((3f * 100) + 6e) * 100)+ 07 = 44295) Shouldn't this be approx. 16 MB (16777216) ? 2. LOCAL_PARAM_REQUEST When I send a LOCAL_PARAM_REQUEST for the currently selected preset (encoded as 7F, see manual p.11-9) the EDP reboots for certain combinations of 'from' and 'length', e.g.: F0 00 01 30 0B 7F 01 12 01 02 7F F7 00 02 00 03 06 01 Anyone else encountered this? 3. LOCAL_PARAM_REQUEST Index 0 Manual p. 11-5 lists the indexes for local parameters starting with 1 What is stored in parameter 0 then? 4. Claude Voit's http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/EDP_ADA.zip I tried this with the demo version of SoundDiver 3.0 but it doesn't seem to recognize the file. Anyone managed to use it? What version of SoundDiver? Thanks! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 12:10:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i82G7VX10034; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1.291a3280.2e689f14@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:06:44 EDT Subject: Re: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a1.291a3280.2e689f14_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <3-O93.A.8ZC.gU0NBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a1.291a3280.2e689f14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow.....what a cast of characters --part1_1a1.291a3280.2e689f14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow.....what a cast=20= of characters --part1_1a1.291a3280.2e689f14_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 15:15:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i82JCdL06858; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:11:54 -0400 Subject: Gear For Sale: Wireless Setup, MPX-G2 From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3176982715_3854515" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3176982715_3854515 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey folks, before it went up on ebay, wanted to offer them to the list as follows: PayPal or cash in new york only. EMAIL OFF LIST ONLY, PLEASE. Wireless Transmitter and Receiver, SONY UHF SYNTHESIZED DIVERSITY TUNER INCLUDES LAV MIC AND CUSTOM MADE RIGHT ANGLE GUITAR CABLE. THIS IS A CONSUMER LEVEL PIECE AND IS ADEQUATE FOR LOW-LEVEL APPLICATIONS, ORIGINAL PRICE WAS $750 I BELIEVE. INPUT TO TRANSMITTER IS 1/8TH INCH CONNECTOR TWO CHANNEL DIVERSITY, REASON FOR SALE, MOVING UP TO PRO GRADE $2000 UNIT. IN EXTREMELY GOOD CONDITION, AND IS A NICE PIECE. $500 Guitar Effects Processor MPX-G2 Lexicon MPX-G2- GUITAR MULTI-EFFECTS PROCESSOR. BEEN DISCUSSED ON THIS LIS= T FOR EVER, A GREAT PIECE, AM LOATH TO LET GO OF MINE, BUT NEED TO FINANCIALLY. SOLD WITH THE R1 PEDAL, which is NOT IN MINT CONDITION, BUT NOT BEAT UP EITHER. Has not been used in 1 year. The pair is $800. For the serious, I=B9m happy to take some pictures if you=B9d like. No origina= l packaging, manuals are available for the mpx-g2 and r1 and will be included. These go up on the block this weekend. Best, Todd --B_3176982715_3854515 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Gear For Sale:  Wireless Setup,  MPX-G2 Hey folks, before it w= ent up on ebay, wanted to offer them to the list as follows:  PayPal or= cash in new york only.  EMAIL OFF LIST ONLY, PLEASE.

Wireless Transmitter and Receiver,
SONY UHF SYNTHESIZED DIVERSITY TUNER
INCLUDES LAV MIC AND CUSTOM MADE RIGHT ANGLE GUITAR CABLE.
THIS IS A CONSUMER LEVEL PIECE AND IS ADEQUATE FOR LOW-LEVEL APPLICATIONS,<= BR> ORIGINAL PRICE WAS $750 I BELIEVE.  INPUT TO TRANSMITTER IS 1/8TH INCH= CONNECTOR
TWO CHANNEL DIVERSITY,  REASON FOR SALE, MOVING UP TO PRO GRADE $2000 = UNIT.
IN EXTREMELY GOOD CONDITION, AND IS A NICE PIECE.  $500


Guitar Effects Processor MPX-G2

Lexicon MPX-G2- GUITAR MULTI-EFFECTS PROCESSOR.  BEEN DISCUSSED ON THI= S LIST FOR EVER, A GREAT PIECE, AM LOATH TO LET GO OF MINE, BUT NEED TO FINA= NCIALLY.   SOLD WITH THE R1 PEDAL, which is NOT IN MINT CONDITION,= BUT NOT BEAT UP EITHER.  Has not been used in 1 year.  The pair i= s $800.

For the serious, I’m happy to take some pictures if you’d like.=  No original packaging,  manuals are available for the mpx-g2 and= r1 and will be included.



These go up on the block this weekend.

Best,

Todd

 --B_3176982715_3854515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 16:02:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i82JxuX26349; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040902195923.59401.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: FS: Lexicon Vortex To: loopers-delight In-Reply-To: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For Sale: Lexicon Vortex morphing effects processor. Well documented in the archives of this group and the tools of the trade section of the website. Very good condition, includes 2-button Lexicon footswitch and original manual. No scratchy encoders. $145+shipping Greg _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 19:18:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i82NFnx25650; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:15:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.106.247.215] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DFX-94 On/Off problems Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:15:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2004 23:15:05.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE40D510:01C49142] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On/Off problems? That could be any number of things. Once my DFX94 suffered from a dirty volume pot, which caused the sound to turn on and off when I adjusted the volume control. I got that fixed at my local music store. That's an easy fix. Later, I had a problem with the switch, where it wasn't registering when I was tapping it. The problem with fixing that is it's not a common switch for fx pedals. I wound up buying a new pedal from ebay, for about half the price of a replacement switch. It could also be your AC adaptor, if you're using one. That seems the most likely cause. Most AC's that you can buy seem to be pretty crappily built. The longest lasting one I've had for my pedals is from an old answering machine. Matt >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:14:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) >From: mungenast@earthlink.net >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Alesis Bitrman ... >Also, my DOD DFX94 looper is experiencing on-off difficulties...any DFX94 >owners >who can shed some light on this? I've got a Zoom Player that can loop but >it's just >not as intuitive and frankly I'm a little afraid of it ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 20:30:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i830Qxk10532; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c4914d$478c41a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <004e01c48f4b$8e0c5ab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:30:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.234.222] at Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:26:25 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope some of finds it's way on to a well produced CD for mass circulation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival > I'd like to announce that there are a limited number of performance spots > left for the > > Y2K4 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > > Friday, October 8th (opening concert is full up) > Saturday, October 9th > Sunday, October 10th in Santa Cruz, California > > with the annual Loopers Brunch on Monday, October 11th > > Performance slots are non-paid and only artists who use live looping > techniques in their music should apply. > > Each artist has a maximum of 20 minutes to set up, 30 minutes to play and > 10 minutes to breakdown (with the help of a bunch of friendly loopers). > > If you are interested and I don't know your work, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO > THIS MESSAGE ON THIS LIST > but send a CD of your live looping work to: > > Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California > 95062-2629 USA > > Producing this festival is pretty all consuming so please direct all > enquiries to my personal e-mail address (RICKWALKER@looppool.info). I may > not be able to read Loopers Delight's digest for several days at a time. > > I will post the details and final scheduling of the concert in about one > week's time and will not have any time to respond to specific information > requests until after that time. My apologies in advance. > > There are very few slots left so hurry if you are interested. > > Here's the first scoop on the festival: > > > Y2K4 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > Opening Concert: Art Gallery to be determined > FRIDAY NIGHT, OCTOBER 8th 8 p.m. > free admission to the public, all ages welcome > SUNAO INAMI (Japan), ROBERTO ZORZI (Italy), MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR (United > States) > > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9th noon to midnight > SUNDAY, OCTOBER 10th noon to midnight > THE RESONANT CHURCH Pennsylvania 1/4 block south of Soquel Avenue > $10 USD for each day with no one turned away for lack of funds > > SCHEDULED ARTISTS: > > Sunao Inami (Japan), Roberto Zorzi (Italy), > lol C (England), Gareth Whittock (Wales), Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland) Bill > Walker (Santa Cruz), > Michael Klobuchar (Pennsylvania), > Loop.pooL (Santa Cruz), Matt Davignon (Ca.), George Demarest > (Massachusetss),Warren Sirota (New York), Are Jay Hoffman (US), Joe > Balestreri (California), > Andre Custodio (California), Phyll Smith (aka DArk Muse-California), Koorosh > Daryiae > (California/Persia), Stanitarium (California), Mark Hamburg (Santa Cruz), > Trey Donovan > (Ca.), Eric Oberthaler (Ca.), Timothy Crowe (Ca.), J Sidhlo (Texas), > Dr.Richard Zvonar (Ca.), Max Valentino (Ca.), Chris Cutler (Santa Cruz), > Gary Regina (Ca.), Ted Killian (Oregon). Leo Sauvageau and Ginger (US), > Daniel Lewis and Pipa Pinon (Santa Cruz),Brian Kenney Fresno (Mars), Peter > Chester and Deep Fried (Santa Cruz),Craig Mccollough (Santa Cruz) > > > Annual Loopers Brunch: > MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th 1 p.m. > THE CATALYST (Pacific Avenue, Santa Cruz) > Free except for price of brunch. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 21:43:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i831dnE18592; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-2200495314821160@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DFX-94 On/Off problems Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:48:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940eb1e843c86f8dd57a68c3365eb21e159350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.249.92 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Answering machine! Excellent! I will check for dirty pots, and stop trying to run it on batteries. In retrospect, the bad behavior (starting the loop before I actually press the pedal) started when I thought I could experiment with running it on batteries...after all these years you'd think I'd know better! I usually use either my Dunlop Juice Box or my much-lighter Godlyke switching power supply. Harmony Central folks do mention that it's really hard to use for precise loops and best for ambient pads, which is just what I use it for...groovy backgrounds to solo against. I can't see using this to do what Roger Miller and his EH 16-sec delay did on "Elemental Guitar." (GREAT DISC! Buy it now!) Thanks for your thoughts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 03:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8378ZF27950; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:08:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:08:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c49184$d2b4ee80$07b61345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <004e01c48f4b$8e0c5ab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:08:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Sunao Inami (Japan), Roberto Zorzi (Italy), lol C (England), Gareth Whittock (Wales), Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland) Bill Walker (Santa Cruz), Michael Klobuchar (Pennsylvania), Loop.pooL (Santa Cruz), Matt Davignon (Ca.), George Demarest (Massachusetss),Warren Sirota (New York), Are Jay Hoffman (US), Joe Balestreri (California), Andre Custodio (California), Phyll Smith (aka DArk Muse-California), Koorosh Daryiae (California/Persia), Stanitarium (California), Mark Hamburg (Santa Cruz), Trey Donovan (Ca.), Eric Oberthaler (Ca.), Timothy Crowe (Ca.), J Sidhlo (Texas), Dr.Richard Zvonar (Ca.), Max Valentino (Ca.), Chris Cutler (Santa Cruz), Gary Regina (Ca.), Ted Killian (Oregon). Leo Sauvageau and Ginger (US), Daniel Lewis and Pipa Pinon (Santa Cruz),Brian Kenney Fresno (Mars), Peter Chester and Deep Fried (Santa Cruz),Craig Mccollough (Santa Cruz) WOW..... are we talking THE Chris Cutler from Henry Cow? Holy smokes! I'm out of town for the weekend, but WOW... what an amazing lineup. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 06:18:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83AGLI14842; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:16:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c4919f$eda3f770$0100a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <200408291939.i7TJdO824562@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Using NVidia GFX card for audioprocessing... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:22:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now, how cool is this! "BionicFX announces the invention of a technology to process real-time digital audio effects using your 3D video card." http://www.bionicfx.com/ /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 06:53:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83AoNp18339; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004701c4919f$eda3f770$0100a8c0@waggy> References: <200408291939.i7TJdO824562@hemlock.violacea.com> <004701c4919f$eda3f770$0100a8c0@waggy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using NVidia GFX card for audioprocessing... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:49:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <5WxJWD.A.zdE.VxEOBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-09-03, at 12.22, Tias wrote: > Now, how cool is this! > > "BionicFX announces the invention of a technology to process real-time > digital audio effects using your 3D video card." > > http://www.bionicfx.com/ > > /Tias Interesting! That page is getting bookmarked! I wonder if it will be possible to use only the first half of the AVEX (the technology) process; converting audio samples into video data elements and structures? Then you will "see" the live audio stream. Screen projecting? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 07:01:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83AxhD19361; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Using NVidia GFX card for audioprocessing... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:01:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we're poking at new frontiers, this one left me flabbergasted: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/08/31/livecode.html (For frenetic perl hackers fed up with GUIs ;-)) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Freitag, 3. September 2004 12:50 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Using NVidia GFX card for audioprocessing... > > > On 2004-09-03, at 12.22, Tias wrote: > > > Now, how cool is this! > > > > "BionicFX announces the invention of a technology to process real-time > > digital audio effects using your 3D video card." > > > > http://www.bionicfx.com/ > > > > /Tias > > Interesting! That page is getting bookmarked! I wonder if it will be > possible to use only the first half of the AVEX (the technology) > process; converting audio samples into video data elements and > structures? Then you will "see" the live audio stream. Screen > projecting? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 10:16:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83EDY010106; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040903141253.7251.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Gig Spam Reminder: Sep 5 Electric Possible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks who are/will be in the Washington DC area this weekend are welcome to drop by George Washington University on Sunday night for some experimental music. http://www.panicresearch.com/electric_poss.html Our band, 10 String Trio, is in the lineup. I will be using my new EH16 for some live looping, as well as other electronic devices. We have a sound sample here: ftp://bigftp.ocsystems.com/pub/syk/SessionNo4Mix.mp3 Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 13:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83H9vl01139; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <67.32652936.2e69fcb2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:58:26 EDT Subject: to usb or not to usb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_67.32652936.2e69fcb2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <7qDG9C.A.WG.MLKOBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_67.32652936.2e69fcb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my emac has an audio input that i can send signal from my mixer into it and then to PEAK my recording software.....do i need a usb port, what is it's function?.....the usb that i got with my puter has midi in and out which at this point i will not use other than that, it seems i can hook up (2) rca inputs or (2) 1/4' inputs, that's nice but does this justify the expense.....and of course all that will be recorded with this puter are my LOOPS.....:).....michael --part1_67.32652936.2e69fcb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my emac has an audio= input that i can send signal from my mixer into it and then to PEAK my reco= rding software.....do i need a usb port, what is it's function?.....the usb=20= that i got with my puter has midi in and out which at this point i will not=20= use other than that, it seems i can hook up (2) rca inputs or (2) 1/4' input= s, that's nice but does this justify the expense.....and of course all that=20= will be recorded with this puter are my LOOPS.....:).....michael<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Optima" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"4"><= /HTML> --part1_67.32652936.2e69fcb2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 13:27:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83HP0J03676; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:25:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c491db$3d249710$0100a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <20040903141253.7251.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Tias VST liveLooping plugin update.. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:27:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well i don't know what to call it yet but it's slowly getting there. ;) I'm still working on the little bugger and hopefully i can get a proper PC beta for people to test soon. *hooooope* Untill then, here's a little something i did while working on the plugin today. http://www.condomo.com/mp3/Tias-ScapeMe-Live2004.mp3 You might notice form this mp3 that i'm pretty in to soundscapes, the mix isn't the best on earth but that's simply cause i'm using headphones and this was just a quick take while i was testing the functions in the plugin. So all music except the drums is just a plucked string vst-synth sent into the Looping Plugin and then i change loop lengths and use the built in VCF-filter to fade things into the backround. Btw, the bpm is 137 just to show that the plugin never goes out of sync, the loops just keep on looping. Only time the music went out of sync was at 4 minutes or so when i "multiplied" the loop from 4 bars to 7 bars. hehe.. But that's the beauty of livelooping, you're bare naked with your mistakes. ;) The VST host was Ableton Live 4 .. which i loooooooove. /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 13:29:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83HEdB01645; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1094231651!19711513 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C8A@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: just for LD list members... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:07:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C491D8.82F8E690" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C491D8.82F8E690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>A quick Web search on "gmail" ....... << ok, ok- I get the message... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C491D8.82F8E690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 13:31:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83HOHW03550; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:23:38 EDT Subject: y2k4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.14f84cfb.2e6a029a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.14f84cfb.2e6a029a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i put all of my LD cds. into my puter and listen to them randomly all the time, GARY REGINA, MAX V, RICK WALKER, and B K FRESNO, TED KILLION and the list goes on, i got most of these CDs at either LOOPSTOCK or Y2K events where i had the wonderful opportunity to hear these fantastic musicians.....DO YOURSELF A GREAT BIG FAVOR, make every effort to be at Y2K4 this year, you got over a month to get it together.....the people are a bit weird.....:).....but the music and the learning are excellent.....now if i only had some of that fine STANITARIUM SURF MUSIC in my machine, whoo! but ALAS the only way to experience the TUSNAMI of STANITARIUM is to be present at the fest!.....i can't wait.....michael --part1_c4.14f84cfb.2e6a029a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i put all of my LD c= ds. into my puter and listen to them randomly all the time, GARY REGINA, MAX= V, RICK WALKER, and B K FRESNO, TED KILLION and the list goes on, i got mos= t of these CDs at either LOOPSTOCK or Y2K events where i had the wonderful o= pportunity to hear these fantastic musicians.....DO YOURSELF A GREAT BIG FAV= OR, make every effort to be at Y2K4 this year, you got over a month to get i= t together.....the people are a bit weird.....:).....but the music and the l= earning are excellent.....now if i only had  some of that fine STANITA= RIUM SURF MUSIC in my machine, whoo! but ALAS the only way to experience the= TUSNAMI of STANITARIUM is to be present at the fest!.....i can't wait.....m= ichael --part1_c4.14f84cfb.2e6a029a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 14:03:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83I1mF07599; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:01:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:01:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c491e0$505f4820$0100a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: y2k4 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:03:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C491F1.13B10290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C491F1.13B10290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh i wished i had the money to get over there. Sadly i don't, might go = down to spain in a couple of weeks but only to see a friend and meet my = parants who's down on vacation. Now i'll get back to cooking my powder mashed potatoes and hotdogs. And = watch swedish Idol, omg it sucks.=20 /Tias. ..=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: y2k4 i put all of my LD cds. into my puter and listen to them randomly all = the time, GARY REGINA, MAX V, RICK WALKER, and B K FRESNO, TED KILLION = and the list goes on, i got most of these CDs at either LOOPSTOCK or Y2K = events where i had the wonderful opportunity to hear these fantastic = musicians.....DO YOURSELF A GREAT BIG FAVOR, make every effort to be at = Y2K4 this year, you got over a month to get it together.....the people = are a bit weird.....:).....but the music and the learning are = excellent.....now if i only had some of that fine STANITARIUM SURF = MUSIC in my machine, whoo! but ALAS the only way to experience the = TUSNAMI of STANITARIUM is to be present at the fest!.....i can't = wait.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C491F1.13B10290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh i wished i had the money to get over = there.=20 Sadly i don't, might go down to spain in a couple of weeks but only to = see a=20 friend and meet my parants who's down on vacation.
 
Now i'll get back to cooking my powder = mashed=20 potatoes and hotdogs. And watch swedish Idol, omg it sucks. =
 
/Tias. ..
 
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i put all of my LD cds. into my puter and = listen to=20 them randomly all the time, GARY REGINA, MAX V, RICK WALKER, and B K = FRESNO,=20 TED KILLION and the list goes on, i got most of these CDs at either = LOOPSTOCK=20 or Y2K events where i had the wonderful opportunity to hear these = fantastic=20 musicians.....DO YOURSELF A GREAT BIG FAVOR, make every effort to be = at Y2K4=20 this year, you got over a month to get it together.....the people are = a bit=20 weird.....:).....but the music and the learning are excellent.....now = if i=20 only had  some of that fine STANITARIUM SURF MUSIC in my machine, = whoo!=20 but ALAS the only way to experience the TUSNAMI of STANITARIUM is to = be=20 present at the fest!.....i can't wait.....michael = ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C491F1.13B10290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 16:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83K9rP19255; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:09:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f04090313091a3c9361@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:09:19 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just for LD list members... In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C8A@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C8A@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's actually a pretty cool thing for this list because you can archive posts you like. Many years later when you want to find that post on where to get parts for your edp footswitch you can just search your own archives for it - just like you can do on the LD site. A little more convenient because you can archive only relevant things you would be interested in. ----- Original Message ----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:07:36 +0100 Subject: RE: just for LD list members... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>A quick Web search on "gmail" ....... << ok, ok- I get the message... d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83KwuV24771; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c49066$6d613e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: y2k4 artist list correction Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:58:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <1HKA2B.A.2BG.yrNOBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my bad, I was sleepy when I typed the last call to artists up. Chris Cutler of Henry Cow fame is NOT playing the festival (sorry Miko). A great musician but not, to my knowledge, a live looper. I meant to say Chris Cohn (of Woodstockhausen fame). please forgive me. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:39:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83Lbrl28795; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <008f01c49066$6d613e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008f01c49066$6d613e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <45CF987E-FDF1-11D8-97F0-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: y2k4 artist list correction Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:36:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 1, 2004, at 1:58 PM, loop.pool wrote: > my bad, I was sleepy when I typed the last call to artists up. > > Chris Cutler of Henry Cow fame is NOT playing the festival (sorry > Miko). > A great musician but not, to my knowledge, a live looper. > > I meant to say Chris Cohn (of Woodstockhausen fame). > > please forgive me. > > Rick > > So Rick, So Hi Rick, Give me the Bernhard Wagner's email so I can send things. I've got to go see Kenny next week. You wanna meet? I could play you stuff and things. Don't have a lot of window whatever day it is. Don't know what day it is that I'll see Kenny but I do have something to pick up. My phone is 559-434-0686. Give me yours and I'll call you, eh? Larry Cooperman Fresnan Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 18:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83MB6f32529; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:11:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:11:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <733AF468-FDF6-11D8-9575-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Music dealers: 8th street? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:13:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the feeling on 8th Street? Where do they rank in the range of online dealers that one does or does not want to do business with? (They list a couple products that AMS no longer lists.) Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 18:27:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i83MMh501623; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c49204$91ca5f60$bb9d5142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <008f01c49066$6d613e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: y2k4 artist list correction Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:22:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Next you'll be telling me Peter Hammil is going to be there! *-) It was cool to see Chris Cutler on that roster though if only for a moment... (But wait?! What about Chris Muir???) Cheers! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: y2k4 artist list correction > my bad, I was sleepy when I typed the last call to artists up. > > Chris Cutler of Henry Cow fame is NOT playing the festival (sorry Miko). > A great musician but not, to my knowledge, a live looper. > > I meant to say Chris Cohn (of Woodstockhausen fame). > > please forgive me. > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 20:49:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i840V4b14565; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:30:01 -0700 Subject: Re: y2k4 artist list correction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008f01c49066$6d613e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <8F43F6AC-FE09-11D8-9452-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, at 01:58 PM, loop.pool wrote: > my bad, I was sleepy when I typed the last call to artists up. > > Chris Cutler of Henry Cow fame is NOT playing the festival (sorry > Miko). > A great musician but not, to my knowledge, a live looper. > > I meant to say Chris Cohn (of Woodstockhausen fame). > > please forgive me. > Chris (Cohn that is) is one of my oldest friends and musical compatriots, and I'm sure he'd be greatly amused at being confused with Chris Cutler. I wouldn't be surprised if Cutler has done live looping at some point, he was integrating a lot of electronics into his kit when I saw him in the 80's. I'm just bumming because I'll actually be in Northern California on tour the weekend of the loopfest, but I don't think I can make it out to Santa Cruz. Damn! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 23:32:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i843FiE04239; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d04090320141377a199@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:14:54 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music dealers: 8th street? In-Reply-To: <733AF468-FDF6-11D8-9575-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <733AF468-FDF6-11D8-9575-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many people have had good luck with 8th street, but I was disappointed with my experience. They told me they had the Zoom PS-04 in stock when everyone else had it backordered. I placed my order only to get a message a few days later that they had it backordered as well. Frustrating, but they did cancel my order and refund my money with no hassles. On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:13:14 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: > What's the feeling on 8th Street? Where do they rank in the range of > online dealers that one does or does not want to do business with? > > (They list a couple products that AMS no longer lists.) > > Thanks. > Mark > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 02:19:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i845ua301004; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:56:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:56:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1364FC8E-FE37-11D8-841C-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: RIP Don Leslie Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:55:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don Leslie, creator of the Leslie rotating speaker cabinet and the first modulation effect, has left this world at the age of 93. His creation made 90 percent of electric organ repertoire possible, and assisted textural music in non-obvious ways. The extended bass response his cabinets gave the Hammond at once empowered us supper club organists, and put many a string bassist out of work. And what would "Stratosfear" have sounded like if it weren't for all the Leslied guitar, or who would have thought of the modulated delay line as a chorus effect to mimic the sound of Don's speaker? Those of us who play organ and those of us who enjoy modulation effects have him to thank for a lot of things. So ... put on a Groove Holmes record, or a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon, or just hit the A/B switch on your Vortex in his honour, if you see fit. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 07:36:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i84BZ8006046; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 07:35:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 07:35:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004701c4919f$eda3f770$0100a8c0@waggy> References: <200408291939.i7TJdO824562@hemlock.violacea.com> <004701c4919f$eda3f770$0100a8c0@waggy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F1B32DF-FE66-11D8-B7C5-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using NVidia GFX card for audioprocessing... Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:34:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 3, 2004, at 12:22, Tias wrote: > Now, how cool is this! > > "BionicFX announces the invention of a technology to process real-time > digital audio effects using your 3D video card." > http://www.bionicfx.com/ > > /Tias I was just directed to this excellent article at Toms Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20040902_135943.html All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 08:08:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i84C5xE09588; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using NVidia GFX card for audioprocessing... Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:05:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 3, 2004, at 13:01, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > While we're poking at new frontiers, this one left me flabbergasted: > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/08/31/livecode.html > > (For frenetic perl hackers fed up with GUIs ;-)) > Bernhard Hi Bernhard & Co, Not being a programmer myself this article came out a bit cryptic, although at the same time interesting. Stuff like "the running code can edit its own source code" left me in a Sense Of Wonder almost similar to experiencing a good Sci Fi novel ;-) This part had me nodding while reading: "Polyrhythms are wonderful to play with but largely absent from commercial dance music. You can see one reason for this absence by looking at consumer music software -- while such pieces of software are obsessed with loops, they don't make it very easy for you to mix loops with different time signatures together. Writing our own code brings us freedom from such constraints, and you can really hear that freedom in polyrhythms." The very reason that musicians like myself, too lazy to learn about programming, take the shortcut by hooking up multiple looping devices (global master tempo sync combined with local sync reference off-set) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 12:54:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i84GoPG18971; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:48:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <40C43F7B.8050705@soundscapes.us> Thread-Index: AcRMeNScg8wz0TXqQnu3FzWSbxqZUBGJVXLA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040904164840.DAV4909.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, Any news for us on Different Skies coming up in October? We've registered for the Saturday concert on 10/9, but Arcosanti doesn't have any more information on it. Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 13:51:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i84HlOv29006; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D628838-FE9A-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Behring FCP1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:46:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <76rS3C.A.xCH.89fOBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone send me a sysex for the 1010? Setting it up seems quite annoying. A template for Live would be great too. Tips on how you use the board with Live would be interesting to hear. Thanks much, erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 17:21:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i84LDj929716; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Behring FCP1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:12:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5D628838-FE9A-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to be antagonistic, but Ableton Live is so flexible and can be used in such a multitude of ways, how could someone make a 'template' for you that you would be happy with? Are you a live looper? With audio or midi? Do you want to trigger clips with pedal pushing, or engage fx? Do you work in Session mode or Arrangement mode? See what I mean? Plus, Live implements midi commands by a 'learn' feature, rather than being hardcoded with specific midi commands. Therefore, you don't really need to program the 1010. Just hit the Midi button at the top right, select which function you want to control, and then hit a pedal on the 1010. The command that the 1010 is sending will pop up in the box you have selected in Live. Hit the midi key again to get out of that mode. Now, hit the pedal on the 1010 and it's commanding the function you selected. I'm just starting to implement my 1010 into Ableton Live. Right now it's a simple interface to control a few midi tracks. The top row of pedals on the 1010 engage the 'arm record' button on the midi track, and the bottom row of pedals triggers a midi clip to record. So, I can arm midi track one with pedal 6, start recording a clip with pedal 1, hit pedal one again at the end of the loop and it begins looping. Hit 6 again to disengage the record arm button. Hit pedal 7 to arm midi track 2. Hit pedal 2 to record a clip on midi track 2. I have the same type of setup for midi tracks 3 and 4. This allows me to freely record four different loops/passages with different sounds, as each midi track is connected to a Reason NNXT sound module via Rewire, and the Reason Audio is coming back in to Live via an audio track. Good luck with your setup in Live. Live 4 absolutely rocks. Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: soam [mailto:soam@acedsl.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behring FCP1010 - Ableton Help please Can someone send me a sysex for the 1010? Setting it up seems quite annoying. A template for Live would be great too. Tips on how you use the board with Live would be interesting to hear. Thanks much, erland __________ NOD32 1.787 (20040612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 18:33:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i84MVTa07041; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:31:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5D628838-FE9A-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> <5D628838-FE9A-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F701CDE-FEC2-11D8-B5E6-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Behring FCP1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:30:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 4, 2004, at 19:46, soam wrote: > Can someone send me a sysex for the 1010? Setting it up seems quite > annoying. A template for Live would be great too. Tips on how you use > the board with Live would be interesting to hear. > Thanks much, > erland I agree with The Toy Room that you should really set up your Live software after your FCB instead of the other way around. See his excellent description! I don't know what you want to do with Live but, anyway, here's a tip for one way to use Live 4. I'm mostly into looping live audio of my instrument playing (sax and guitar) and I don't like the static way you have to loop in Live. So I'm using the OSX AU software plug-in Augustus Loop in Live4 with Live 4 as host application. I use two instances of the plug-in for looping and in one FCB1010 bank I keep the FCB midi expression pedals for controlling "delay feedback" of those two loops. So by using Augustus Loop instead of recording Live clips I can overdub layers and layers into a loop and keep changing the loop while it's playing back. In other banks I control pitch or length of the Augustus loops from the FCB, and some other stuff... ;-) Here's how it can sound: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Bath_Tub.mp3 Lately I have developed a second set-up that uses midi clips in Live 4 sending (over the IAC bus in Panther) beat synced trigger signals to a gate where my audio instrument input is tapped into the looping plug-in. From buttons on my FCB pedal I can then chose if the loop of my audio input will be sliced into 16ths, triads or whatever. I have a live session view track full of "beat sync gate midi clips" and they are all set to "legato mode" and locally quantized to 8ths (while the global quantize in Live is set to one bar). By this fix I can change the beat sync of the gate while playing and build a loop with different rhythms layered on top of each other. A general tip is to play around with the effects in Live and decide on which ones that sounds cool and the way you want to use them to make music. Then check out how you can manipulate the effect dynamically to have fun and simply assign some buttons/pedals of your FCB1010 to those parameters. As an example there are at least a dozen ways to use the Autofilter. Good luck with exploring Live 4 and the FCB1010! All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 20:33:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i850Tcw30374; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behring FCP1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:19:46 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> <5D628838-FE9A-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> In-Reply-To: <5D628838-FE9A-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Disposition-Notification-To: Todd pafford Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200409050019.46654.outergalen@toadmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a tool to configure the Behringer FCB1010 go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010_sysex_tool/ Behringer has never realeased any info, but a community of determined folks was able to hack something together. I don't have the FCB1010, but I've kept up with the developments and the concensus seems to be that the utilities they've assembled will do the trick. Todd On Saturday 04 September 2004 05:46 pm, soam wrote: > Can someone send me a sysex for the 1010? Setting it up seems quite > annoying. A template for Live would be great too. Tips on how you use > the board with Live would be interesting to hear. > > Thanks much, > > erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 21:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i851IC603921; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.227.135.107] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 01:17:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2004 01:17:34.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FD431F0:01C492E6] Resent-Message-ID: <3If1B.A.t7.0kmOBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is semi off topic, but Bjork's new cd is pretty kick ass. I'm almost sure it's 100% vocal (Rick! You got some competiton). She's joined by vocal extrordinaire/Faith No More/Mr. Bungle/Fantomas/Tomahawk frontman Mike Patton, human beatbox virtuosos Rahzel and Dokaka, Inuit throat singer Tagaq, two different choirs, and a host of other artists/producers. If you get a chance I highly recommend checking this album out. Now, for the pseudo looping content, the fifth track, "Oll Birtan", at least sounds like Bjork with a looper. It starts with her singing a syllable which repeats and she layers on more and more sounds with her voice. Probably not done live, but interesting nonetheless. Can't recommend this album enough. js _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 07:03:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85B0ZU20339; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040905115017.02828480@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:55:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #346 In-Reply-To: <200409050033.i850Xm231371@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409050033.i850Xm231371@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:33 05/09/04, you wrote: >Don Leslie, creator of the Leslie rotating speaker cabinet and the first >modulation effect, has left this world at the age of 93. > or just hit the A/B switch on your Vortex in his honour, if you see fit. >--- >Eric Williamson If you want to know what he means by that :- http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm#sounds andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 08:29:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85CPSY07600; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <005901c49342$69f672a0$c2a1fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:09:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talking about Björk, I´m quite sure the acapella version of "All is full of love" off her "Homogenic" album is done entirely with a looper of some kind like Jamman or Plex. Blixa Bargeld of Einstürzende Neubauten is also credited as using a Jamman on the last Neubauten albums. To my knowledge he even does lecture trips where his spoken word performances get some serious live-looping treatments. Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Spring" To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:17 AM Subject: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? > This is semi off topic, but Bjork's new cd is pretty kick ass. I'm almost > sure it's 100% vocal (Rick! You got some competiton). She's joined by vocal > extrordinaire/Faith No More/Mr. Bungle/Fantomas/Tomahawk frontman Mike > Patton, human beatbox virtuosos Rahzel and Dokaka, Inuit throat singer > Tagaq, two different choirs, and a host of other artists/producers. If you > get a chance I highly recommend checking this album out. > > Now, for the pseudo looping content, the fifth track, "Oll Birtan", at least > sounds like Bjork with a looper. It starts with her singing a syllable > which repeats and she layers on more and more sounds with her voice. > Probably not done live, but interesting nonetheless. > > Can't recommend this album enough. > > js > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 08:30:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85CREk07698; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Behring FCP1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:26:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 4, 2004, at 5:12 PM, the toy room wrote: > Hit the midi key again to get out of > that mode. Now, hit the pedal on the 1010 and it's commanding the > function you selected. yeah, i tried that but Live kept on seeing the same bank change. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 08:33:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85CVdr08486; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E687B8E-FF37-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Behring FCB1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:30:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 4, 2004, at 5:12 PM, the toy room wrote: > Do you work in Session mode or Arrangement mode? See what I > mean? > I don't really see how you could work in "Arrangement mode" with the pedal, but okay. I knw about Live's MIDI Learn function, I just wish it'd work with the pedal right out of the box. TIme to hit the manual I guess. Thanks... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 08:48:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85CkgQ11209; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5E687B8E-FF37-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <5E687B8E-FF37-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <894211DC-FF39-11D8-9701-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Behring FCB1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:45:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <9AVVFD.A.VsC.OqwOBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Sep 4, 2004, at 5:12 PM, the toy room wrote: > >> Do you work in Session mode or Arrangement mode? See what I >> mean? On 2004-09-05, at 14.30, soam wrote: > I don't really see how you could work in "Arrangement mode" with the > pedal, but okay. I knw about Live's MIDI Learn function, I just wish > it'd work with the pedal right out of the box. TIme to hit the manual > I guess. Thanks... Please remember that the FCB1010 by default is loaded with some banks that sometimes send many midi messages at the same time when one button is pressed. You may reprogram the pedal to make sure only one event is sent for each button pressed. Then go ahead and map it up in Live with the Live midi learn function. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 09:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85DRCs22893; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c4934c$56e74090$0100a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <005901c49342$69f672a0$c2a1fe91@synthhost> Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:29:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hehe, since my girlfriend (and i sometimes) is part of the team working on the official Björk-site she posted a question to Björk about Livelooping here: http://www.bjork.com/qna/main.php?id=3026 Also at last years Arvika Festival here in sweden i got a chance to talk backstage with Leila Arab about her setup during the Homogenic-tour and the livelooping-segment of the concert was (as i understood it) done with a bunch of delay-effects in ProTools cause she was annoyed about the fact that is got to heavy for her mac to handle and tended to hang over and over so she had a backup-system. Don't know about All Is Full Of Love, did you mean right off the album or? Cause the only "acapella" (there's some piano on it) is track 13 - Immature. /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "wavecomputer360" To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? > Talking about Björk, I´m quite sure the acapella version of "All is full of > love" off her "Homogenic" album is done entirely with a looper of some kind > like Jamman or Plex. > > Blixa Bargeld of Einstürzende Neubauten is also credited as using a Jamman > on the last Neubauten albums. To my knowledge he even does lecture trips > where his spoken word performances get some serious live-looping treatments. > > Stephen > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And > we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Spring" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:17 AM > Subject: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? > > > > This is semi off topic, but Bjork's new cd is pretty kick ass. I'm almost > > sure it's 100% vocal (Rick! You got some competiton). She's joined by > vocal > > extrordinaire/Faith No More/Mr. Bungle/Fantomas/Tomahawk frontman Mike > > Patton, human beatbox virtuosos Rahzel and Dokaka, Inuit throat singer > > Tagaq, two different choirs, and a host of other artists/producers. If > you > > get a chance I highly recommend checking this album out. > > > > Now, for the pseudo looping content, the fifth track, "Oll Birtan", at > least > > sounds like Bjork with a looper. It starts with her singing a syllable > > which repeats and she layers on more and more sounds with her voice. > > Probably not done live, but interesting nonetheless. > > > > Can't recommend this album enough. > > > > js > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 12:10:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85G6HE15139; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c49362$2caba120$6601a8c0@laptop> From: "Matthew Pierce" To: Subject: Help for a violin looper Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:05:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C49340.A49C4030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [162.84.224.223] at Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:05:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C49340.A49C4030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Please help me with a live setup. I have a dream and need your = experience to help me manifest it. Here is what I think I need: violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - - preamp/eq - - A/B Switch - - = EDP - - Delay line - - Amp. A/B Switch cont. - - Amp. Here is what I have: ATM-35 (clip on mic) Fishman preamp EDP LXP-5 (delay) Fender Frontman (small amplifier) I want to play a loop sequence with delay with a drummer and other = strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the delay effect as if it = was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. All other = members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the drummer = in particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or = delay so I think I will need an A/B Switch. Here are my issues and fears about using this: Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its hard to hear delay. A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to solo through the FX loop. Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX loop. Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman too small? I have a big concern about the inflexibility performance wise of locking = a group of musicians to a loop in a live context. Anyone have experience = with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces to use no loop/delay, = but that is how they were originally conceived. Thank you for your help, this is a long, detailed post and I appreciate = your input. I am trying to prepare myself as best I can for the first = rehearsal. Matthew Matthew Pierce 22-18 42nd Street, C1 Astoria, NY 11105 718-267-2689 home 718-810-9155 cell seedmuse@verizon.net www.matthewpierce.com ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C49340.A49C4030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
Please help me with a live setup. I = have a dream=20 and need your experience to help me manifest it.
 
Here is what I think I = need:
violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - = - preamp/eq=20 - - A/B Switch - - EDP - - Delay line - - Amp.
 
A/B Switch cont. - - Amp.
 
Here is what I have:
ATM-35 (clip on mic)
Fishman preamp
EDP
LXP-5 (delay)
Fender Frontman (small = amplifier)
 
I want to play a loop sequence with = delay with a=20 drummer and other strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the delay = effect=20 as if it was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. = All other=20 members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the drummer = in=20 particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or = delay so I=20 think I will need an A/B Switch.
 
Here are my issues and fears about = using=20 this:
 
Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its = hard to hear=20 delay.
A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to = solo through=20 the FX loop.
Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX = loop.
Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman = too=20 small?
 
I have a big concern about the = inflexibility=20 performance wise of locking a group of musicians to a loop in a live = context.=20 Anyone have experience with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces = to use=20 no loop/delay, but that is how they were originally = conceived.
 
Thank you for your help, this is a = long, detailed=20 post and I appreciate your input. I am trying to prepare myself as best = I can=20 for the first rehearsal.
 
Matthew
 
 
 
Matthew Pierce
22-18 42nd Street, = C1
Astoria,=20 NY  11105
718-267-2689 home
718-810-9155 cell
seedmuse@verizon.net
www.matthewpierce.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C49340.A49C4030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 12:14:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85GBnV17067; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <433E30C6-FF56-11D8-BE61-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notices (Chehalis, Seattle WA) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:11:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More acoustic guitar live looping in the Puget Sound area: *Sept. 9, Thursday, 9PM The Matrix (434 NW Prindle Street, Chehalis WA) Sept. 10, Friday, 8-10PM Coffee Messiah (1554 E. Olive Way) Sept. 11, Saturday, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) *Sept. 11, Saturday, 7-9PM Starbucks (Issaquah) The Coffee Messiah show is up in the air at this point--there's some change in their hours going on now, and so the details are still being ironed out. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 12:14:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85G88Z15644; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: OT: the conundrum (was Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping?) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:05:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c49362$3776ff00$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002401c4934c$56e74090$0100a8c0@waggy> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Jump in here if you have any input, or leave it to die quietly (it's not terribly serious, anyway!) The mention of Bjork's new record got me all riled up again, and I thought I would pick your brains for some thoughts. As musicians and music lovers, how do you approach artists that you actually 'respect' more than you 'like'? This would be my exact definition of an artist like Bjork. (insert conversation to myself) "ok, I GET that there's something different happening here, and they are obviously an innovative and creative person. Everyone is raving about them, too. But if I sit here and listen to this stuff, I think I'm going to punch my head through the wall, because it's aggravating as hell." And I'm not someone who is terribly light-hearted about music. I've mellowed as the years go on, but there's still nothing wrong with challenging, aggravating music taking a spin on the ol' CD player (Stooges, Helmet, Test Department, Loop, Einsturzende Neubauten, Coltrane, etc. come to mind) But there seems to be a collection of artists, for me, who I respect very much for doing what they do, but I honestly couldn't really give a shit about listening to their current creative output. The list! Bjork Radiohead Sonic Youth Tricky In my opinion (you know what they say about opinions), these bands have, for their last few records, been on conscious attempt to get 'wierder' and more experimental in their approach. In theory, this is great, but the actual product leaves me cold. Bjork: god....another weird video where we're supposed to be enthralled with the exquisite video effects, all the while worshipping the beauty(?) of that little pixie? Blah..... And is Thom York singing microtonal, or just can't sing in key anymore? Let's flip a coin! Sonic Youth: hmmmmmm....should they have stopped at Daydream Nation? I mean, really? Tricky: Maxinquaye is brilliant, In my opinion...but that's like, his first record? Everything since then can't be shit.....or could it? Anyway, like I said. If it's not worth discussing, leave it. I know it's all about taste. If I don't like it, don't listen (and I do or don't at my leisure). But these are also artists considered the most talented and creative in their genre. Thoughts? Best regards, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 12:37:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85GXCa21460; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: the conundrum (was Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping?) In-Reply-To: <000001c49362$3776ff00$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, the toy room wrote: > As musicians and music lovers, how do you approach artists that you > actually 'respect' more than you 'like'? Snip! > But there seems to be a collection of artists, for me, who I respect > very much for doing what they do, but I honestly couldn't really give a > shit about listening to their current creative output. I think you said it VERY well already. You recognize that there is something creative and perhaps even exciting and certainly sincere. But the actual work doersn't speak to you. I think that is an extremely enlightened (and generous :)) way of looking at it. There are plenty of artists who I respect and like the *idea* of or like *some* ot their work and not all. Not just experimental musicians either. I don't really see it as a conflict and if you give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are speaking what they want to say for themselves then it's certainly valid to say YOU don't "hear" it speaking to you. I think saying so is very healthy and shows you think and process music and art on a deeper level. Of course, always leave room for changing your mind down the road too :) D_ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 13:06:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85H1wf28760; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:01:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:01:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <894211DC-FF39-11D8-9701-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <000101c492c3$d8fffe70$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <5E687B8E-FF37-11D8-9F7E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> <894211DC-FF39-11D8-9701-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <36BC995A-FF5D-11D8-AE32-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Behring FCB1010 - Ableton Help please Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:01:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7RGLUD.A.l9G.uZ0OBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 5, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> On Sep 4, 2004, at 5:12 PM, the toy room wrote: >> >>> Do you work in Session mode or Arrangement mode? See what I >>> mean? > On 2004-09-05, at 14.30, soam wrote: >> I don't really see how you could work in "Arrangement mode" with the >> pedal, but okay. I knw about Live's MIDI Learn function, I just wish >> it'd work with the pedal right out of the box. TIme to hit the manual >> I guess. Thanks... > > Please remember that the FCB1010 by default is loaded with some banks > that sometimes send many midi messages at the same time when one > button is pressed. You may reprogram the pedal to make sure only one > event is sent for each button pressed. Then go ahead and map it up in > Live with the Live midi learn function. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > I programmed it now. And 9 out of the 10 pedals are sending "1/PB" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 13:54:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85Hpqn06817; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:51:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040904164840.DAV4909.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry Tom but I'm not handling that, Rick is, if by it you are refering to the Y2K4 event that he is putting on. I'm afraid I don't even know what you meen by Different Skies but the Y2K4 festival is happening the weekend you mentioned.???? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival Bill, Any news for us on Different Skies coming up in October? We've registered for the Saturday concert on 10/9, but Arcosanti doesn't have any more information on it. Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 14:09:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85I6V710210; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:06:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:06:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RIP Don Leslie Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1364FC8E-FE37-11D8-841C-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went home and put on Badge by Cream to commemorate his passing, I wish I could have found a copy of the Band's great live album to hear Garth Hudson's massive sound. I believe that if it were'nt for the fact that leslies are so big and cumbersome, every organist and british invasion inspired guitarist would own one. There is a beautiful example sitting in the music store where I teach, and work part time. It gets many inquiries but few serious offers, and man does it sound good. He will be missed. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RIP Don Leslie Don Leslie, creator of the Leslie rotating speaker cabinet and the first modulation effect, has left this world at the age of 93. His creation made 90 percent of electric organ repertoire possible, and assisted textural music in non-obvious ways. The extended bass response his cabinets gave the Hammond at once empowered us supper club organists, and put many a string bassist out of work. And what would "Stratosfear" have sounded like if it weren't for all the Leslied guitar, or who would have thought of the modulated delay line as a chorus effect to mimic the sound of Don's speaker? Those of us who play organ and those of us who enjoy modulation effects have him to thank for a lot of things. So ... put on a Groove Holmes record, or a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon, or just hit the A/B switch on your Vortex in his honour, if you see fit. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 15:51:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85JgSi26073; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:42:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:42:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c491ee$12284710$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K4 Official Website launches Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:41:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Bernhard Wagner, with some logo help from Ted Killian has just launched the official Y2K4 Interntional Live Looping Festival website. You can access it at: http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 I'm extremely pleased and grateful to have this help with the festival. I'm also really excited about this year's lineup. The festival is just getting better and better, which is very exciting. Schedules are not completed (and won't be for another week or two) and the final lineup is not yet finalized but we will be updating daily as we get new information. Rumors that we may even have one or two loop tool premier demonstrations this year......................nothing more on this until the festival though. R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 16:29:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85KQ7M03272; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:26:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:26:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended settings, etc) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:25:09 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c49386$70b99dd0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <004201c491ee$12284710$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <5NBveC.A.ru.vY3OBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this topic has probably been beaten into the ground on previous threads, but I've searched for past threads, read the EDP+ manual (page 2-9 on Stereo operation and page 6-7 on BrotherSync), made those settings on my unit, and I still get a slight timing drift on occasion. The timing doesn't get continuously worse over time; rather it just diverges to the point to where it sounds like I'm running a 50MS delay on my guitar. I have the units connected with a MIDI cable, plus I have a new stereo 1/4 inch cable between the two brother sync connections. I have ControlSource NOT set to off (I think I'm using the Controllers setting on both), and both Synch parameters set to Out. Both units are set identically. Are there any tricks that I need to know about to avoid the timing issue, other than what is in the manual? It's rather annoying. Is the MIDI connection unnecessary when I'm using BrotherSync? Krispen Hartung ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 16:31:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85KUrb05234; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409052030.i85KUga05009@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Help for a violin looper Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:31:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49365.BB5B0160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001601c49362$2caba120$6601a8c0@laptop> Thread-Index: AcSTYnydUPRHETTATd+IaVzRjA6JKgAI5aOA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49365.BB5B0160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah thats one that is hard to work I prefer a PVDF Piezo Pickup (like a pick up the world unit http://www.pick-uptheworld.com/products.htm ) over a mic even then if you use any effects like filters etc.. feedback elimination could be required. I suppose you could try a rack mixer and pan the loop to one side and the instrument to the other side thus requiring a stereo amp or just another amp is the frontman loud enough with a drummer? http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum _____ From: Matthew Pierce [mailto:seedmuse@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help for a violin looper Hello, Please help me with a live setup. I have a dream and need your experience to help me manifest it. Here is what I think I need: violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - - preamp/eq - - A/B Switch - - EDP - - Delay line - - Amp. A/B Switch cont. - - Amp. Here is what I have: ATM-35 (clip on mic) Fishman preamp EDP LXP-5 (delay) Fender Frontman (small amplifier) I want to play a loop sequence with delay with a drummer and other strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the delay effect as if it was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. All other members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the drummer in particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or delay so I think I will need an A/B Switch. Here are my issues and fears about using this: Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its hard to hear delay. A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to solo through the FX loop. Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX loop. Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman too small? I have a big concern about the inflexibility performance wise of locking a group of musicians to a loop in a live context. Anyone have experience with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces to use no loop/delay, but that is how they were originally conceived. Thank you for your help, this is a long, detailed post and I appreciate your input. I am trying to prepare myself as best I can for the first rehearsal. Matthew Matthew Pierce 22-18 42nd Street, C1 Astoria, NY 11105 718-267-2689 home 718-810-9155 cell seedmuse@verizon.net www.matthewpierce.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49365.BB5B0160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah thats one that is hard to work I prefer a = PVDF Piezo=20 Pickup (like a  pick up the world unit http://www.pick-upth= eworld.com/products.htm )=20 over a mic even then if you use any effects like filters etc.. feedback=20 elimination could be required.
 
I suppose you could try a rack mixer and = pan the loop=20 to one side and the instrument to the other side thus requiring a stereo = amp or=20 just another amp is the frontman loud enough with a = drummer?
 
http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum

From: Matthew Pierce=20 [mailto:seedmuse@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 05, = 2004 12:06=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Help for=20 a violin looper

Hello,
 
Please help me with a live setup. I = have a dream=20 and need your experience to help me manifest it.
 
Here is what I think I = need:
violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - = - preamp/eq=20 - - A/B Switch - - EDP - - Delay line - - Amp.
 
A/B Switch cont. - - Amp.
 
Here is what I have:
ATM-35 (clip on mic)
Fishman preamp
EDP
LXP-5 (delay)
Fender Frontman (small = amplifier)
 
I want to play a loop sequence with = delay with a=20 drummer and other strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the delay = effect=20 as if it was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. = All other=20 members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the drummer = in=20 particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or = delay so I=20 think I will need an A/B Switch.
 
Here are my issues and fears about = using=20 this:
 
Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its = hard to hear=20 delay.
A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to = solo through=20 the FX loop.
Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX = loop.
Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman = too=20 small?
 
I have a big concern about the = inflexibility=20 performance wise of locking a group of musicians to a loop in a live = context.=20 Anyone have experience with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces = to use=20 no loop/delay, but that is how they were originally = conceived.
 
Thank you for your help, this is a = long, detailed=20 post and I appreciate your input. I am trying to prepare myself as best = I can=20 for the first rehearsal.
 
Matthew
 
 
 
Matthew Pierce
22-18 42nd Street, = C1
Astoria,=20 NY  11105
718-267-2689 home
718-810-9155 cell
seedmuse@verizon.net
www.matthewpierce.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49365.BB5B0160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 16:36:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85KTOs04421; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:29:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:29:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BEC6EC0-FF7A-11D8-A52C-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: the conundrum (was Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping?) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:29:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All the best On Sep 5, 2004, at 18:31, Legion wrote: > I think you said it VERY well already. You recognize that there is > something creative and perhaps even exciting and certainly sincere. But > the actual work doersn't speak to you. I think that is an extremely > enlightened (and generous :)) way of looking at it. > > There are plenty of artists who I respect and like the *idea* of or > like *some* ot their work and not all. Not just experimental musicians > either. I don't really see it as a conflict and if you give them the > benefit of the doubt and say they are speaking what they want to say > for > themselves then it's certainly valid to say YOU don't "hear" it > speaking > to you. I think saying so is very healthy and shows you think and > process > music and art on a deeper level. > > Of course, always leave room for changing your mind down the road too > :) Can't say how much I agree with this statement! I was going to post a reply to Rich's msg but this just said it all. Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 16:41:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85KbWI07022; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004201c491ee$12284710$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004201c491ee$12284710$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5835ABDC-FF7B-11D8-A52C-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Y2K4 Official Website launches Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:37:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <2H5yXC.A.NtB.2j3OBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 3, 2004, at 21:41, loop.pool wrote: > Bernhard Wagner, with some logo help from Ted Killian has > just launched the official Y2K4 Interntional Live Looping Festival > website. > > You can access it at: > > http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 Wow, that line-up sure looks INTERNATIONAL! Great work guys! Will someone make live recordings and post clips after the event? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 17:07:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85L2hN09306; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <194.2d465ea2.2e6cd8c0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:01:52 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K4 Official Website launches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.2d465ea2.2e6cd8c0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.2d465ea2.2e6cd8c0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/5/04 4:37:20 PM, per@boysen.se writes: > Will > someone make live recordings and post clips after the event? > per.....that's always been the wish but i'm still waitin to see "Y2K2 THE MOVIE".....:).....michael --part1_194.2d465ea2.2e6cd8c0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/5/04 4:37:20 PM, per@boysen.se writes:


Will
someone make live recordings and post clips after the event?

per.....that's always been the wish but i'm still waitin to see "Y2K2 THE MO= VIE".....:).....michael --part1_194.2d465ea2.2e6cd8c0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 18:04:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85LwvZ15813; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:57:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Help for a violin looper From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c49362$2caba120$6601a8c0@laptop> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3177251827_2653554" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3177251827_2653554 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey matthew... Nice to see you here... What you=B9re describing is what I done in my everyday work for nearly seven years, i=B9m happy to help set you up if you=B9d like... I use either a hardware rig or a software rig, or as a =8Csuper-rig=B9 I use both. Email me or call me... The answers to your questions are relatively simple and straightforward, and with the exception of your amp and pickup, you=B9re already set to go... Be in touch... Todd --=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn On 9/5/04 12:05 PM, "Matthew Pierce" wrote: > Hello, > =20 > Please help me with a live setup. I have a dream and need your experience= to > help me manifest it. > =20 > Here is what I think I need: > violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - - preamp/eq - - A/B Switch - - ED= P - - > Delay line - - Amp. > =20 > A/B Switch cont. - - Amp. > =20 > Here is what I have: > ATM-35 (clip on mic) > Fishman preamp > EDP > LXP-5 (delay) > Fender Frontman (small amplifier) > =20 > I want to play a loop sequence with delay with a drummer and other string= s, > essentially a band. I need to hear the delay effect as if it was another > performer because I play against it rhythmically. All other members will = need > to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the drummer in particular. I a= lso > want to be able to play solo without the loop or delay so I think I will = need > an A/B Switch. > =20 > Here are my issues and fears about using this: > =20 > Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its hard to hear delay. > A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to solo through the FX loop. > Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX loop. > Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman too small? > =20 > I have a big concern about the inflexibility performance wise of locking = a > group of musicians to a loop in a live context. Anyone have experience wi= th > this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces to use no loop/delay, but th= at is > how they were originally conceived. > =20 > Thank you for your help, this is a long, detailed post and I appreciate y= our > input. I am trying to prepare myself as best I can for the first rehearsa= l. > =20 > Matthew > =20 > =20 > =20 > Matthew Pierce > 22-18 42nd Street, C1 > Astoria, NY 11105 > 718-267-2689 home > 718-810-9155 cell > seedmuse@verizon.net > www.matthewpierce.com > =20 >=20 --B_3177251827_2653554 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Help for a violin looper Hey matthew...

Nice to see you here...

What you’re describing is what I done in my everyday work for nearly = seven years, i’m happy to help set you up if you’d like...  = ;

I use either a hardware rig or a software rig, or as a ‘super-rigR= 17;  I use both.  Email me or call me...  The answers to your= questions are relatively simple and straightforward, and with the exception= of your amp and pickup, you’re already set to go...

Be in touch...

Todd


--
Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.   917 576-6166
Fax    419 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com
http://www.ethelcentral.com

todd@toddreynolds.com
9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
AIM ID: toddreyn


On 9/5/04 12:05 PM, "Matthew Pierce" <seedmuse@verizon.net>= wrote:

Hello,
Please help me with a live setup. I have a dream = and need your experience to help me manifest it.
Here is what I think I need:
violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - - preamp/eq - - A/B Switch - - EDP = - - Delay line - - Amp.
A/B Switch cont. - - Amp.
Here is what I have:
ATM-35 (clip on mic)
Fishman preamp
EDP
LXP-5 (delay)
Fender Frontman (small amplifier)
I want to play a loop sequence with delay with a = drummer and other strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the delay effe= ct as if it was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. Al= l other members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the dru= mmer in particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or = delay so I think I will need an A/B Switch.
Here are my issues and fears about using this:
Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its hard to he= ar delay.
A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to solo through the FX loop.
Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX loop.
Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman too small?
I have a big concern about the inflexibility perf= ormance wise of locking a group of musicians to a loop in a live context. An= yone have experience with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces to us= e no loop/delay, but that is how they were originally conceived.
Thank you for your help, this is a long, detailed= post and I appreciate your input. I am trying to prepare myself as best I c= an for the first rehearsal.
Matthew
 
 
Matthew Pierce
22-18 42nd Street, C1
Astoria, NY  11105
718-267-2689 home
718-810-9155 cell
seedmuse@verizon.net
www.matthewpierce.com


--B_3177251827_2653554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 18:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85MG7k20548; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <79.32ff65f7.2e6ce9ff@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:15:27 EDT Subject: Y2K4 website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1094422527" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1094422527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks and appreciation to Bernhard Wagner and Ted Killian for their time and work on the Y2K4 web site!!!! Best, James Sidlo -------------------------------1094422527 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks and appreciation to Bernhard Wagner and Ted Killian for the= ir time and work on the Y2K4 web site!!!!
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp; Best, James Sidlo
-------------------------------1094422527-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 18:40:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i85MWYN25677; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <65.32e792d6.2e6cede4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:32:04 EDT Subject: Help for a looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_65.32e792d6.2e6cede4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_65.32e792d6.2e6cede4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/5/04 5:57:49 PM, toddreynolds@rcn.com writes: > http://www.ethelcentral.com > > todd.....what an excellent site!.....thanks.....michael --part1_65.32e792d6.2e6cede4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/5/04 5:57:49 PM, toddreynolds@rcn.com writes:


http://www.ethelcentral.com



todd.....what an excellent site!.....thanks.....michael --part1_65.32e792d6.2e6cede4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 20:55:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i860lDQ20046; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c493ab$5f1c5700$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Arms Full of Sound Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:49:31 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome back to THE AMBiENT PiNG's update after a couple of weeks off. We're ready to start again at the PiNG's new home at the Gladstone Hotel Ballroom. Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel and street parking is available on Queen Street (and some of the side streets). http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 7th - Arms Full of Sound "Arms Full of Sound returns to the PiNG to take listeners on another journey of the ambient mind in the first of a 2-show series titled, "Journey to Ambientia". On Sept. 7th, using an array of analogue & digital sound synthesis, Arms Full of Sound will create the soundscape for your mind as it travels deeper into thoughtful imagery. Listen to the familiar tunes from the releases of "Pieces of a Larger Experiment" and "Minework in G" as you indulge in the new music of the latest CD "Air is the Means". Part 2 of "Journey to Ambientia" will happen at the PiNG on December 7th, 2004. Don't miss Part 1 - coming this Tuesday. http://www.phpro.info/afos/main.html Between Sets CD - "A Troubled Resting Place" by Robert Rich A collection of pieces created for various CD compilations from 1993 to 1995. All are on the darker side of ambient - "a calm surface hiding a subterrranean turmoil." http://www.robertrich.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming September 14th - vinyl vandal and Wendy Atkinson http://www.besonic.com/vinylvandal http://www.tinforest.com/tinfr/wendyatkinson/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews With the release of "Fluidities", Jonathan Hughes has created a fascinating experiment in ambience. Featuring two CDs of eleven tracks each, all of them six minutes in length and written in similar keys, the discs of "Fluidities" are meant to be listened to simultaneously in any combination. Tracks are supposed to blend and entwine with eachother in order to create new pieces through synthesis. Think about this for a minute... While most double disc collections would feature a couple of hours of music, "Fluidities" offers a potential for over twelve hours given that there are 121 possible combinations of tracks! Of course that's only considering the math of the matter. There's the whole issue of spatial dynamics to think about too. Let me give you an example. My stereo is in my bedroom. My DVD player is in the living room. So to play the two discs at the same time I have to set them running in different parts of the apartment. And since I have to sit somewhere to listen, there's a bias towards one or the other in terms of volume, acoustics, the reverb of the room. You can see where this is headed. And I think when you start considering the possibilities, it becomes clear that we're talking about the ambient ideal here, music that can be listened to with whatever level of involvement the listener is willing to give it. You have to be willing to make an effort to fully explore this disc. But if you don't want to, that's okay too, the music exists by itself just as well, just as easily. Speaking of the music, I just realized that I've gotten so wrapped up in the conceptual nature of the disc that I haven't taken the time to comment on the music. Quite simply it's a brilliant collection of pieces, some by Jonathan Hughes himself, some tracks collaborations between Hughes and other artists, and still more pieces by a variety of talents in the ambient genre. Saul Stokes, Michael Bentley, Dean Santomieri, Interstitial, dreamSTATE and more all contribute to the disc, all adding ingrediants to the menu. I could go into detail about all the tracks, even comment on the aspects of various combinations, but to be honest any comments I make would only scratch the surface. Better to listen for yourself and experience it on your own. You have my word that there's some beautiful work here, ranging from flowing ambient elegance, to mirror worlds of dark matter and abstract patterns. A little something for everyone. So pick up a copy and find yourself a twelve hour chunk of time. You won't be disappointed with the results. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St.) http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubscribe' in the e-mail body. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 21:04:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8610Ce23766; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:00:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c493ac$c7deec70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:58:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was so excited to hear Bjork's new CD that I went down when the music store opened on the day it was released. I positively loved the tune she's had up on her website and have admired her for her courage to eschew being a hugely successful pop start who constantly pushes the boundaries of her artistry. I also had released and experimental all vocal CD at christmas time (which was really scary because I had only begun seriously singing really late in my musical career) and I wanted to see what she would come up with (especially working with the brilliant and innovative producers that she works with. I have to say that despite the beauty of her 'single' from the CD, I was really dissapointed. The record doesn't move me emotionally. I know several people who aren't moved by my last CD. It's the most emotional record I've ever made.........go figure. Some of her ideas just seem half baked and there is not a very strong compositional sense on the CD..........but that's to my ears.........very obviously a lot of people adore it. Even so, I think that as artists who are interested in pushing our own boundaries that we constantly run the risk of releasing something that is unformed or not mature in an attempt to eschew the dominant paradigm, aesthetically. It is an inherent danger in flirting with the 'New'. I think it's a risk that is important to take and for the very first time in my entire life of people pleasing and insecurity about what people think about my music, I have come to embrace the concept of taking risks and not even worrying about how it will be recieved. Personally, I feel so much more liberated and I know I"m growing faster as an artist than I ever have in my life. If Bjork and Thom York and Mike Patton encourage younger musicians to take big chances and move away from the incredibly stale and stunted state of current mass market pop music, my feeling is that there work is done, whether or not I like it or love it. Man, Miles Davis failed so miserably in several of the things he attempted artistically in his life....................I was so damned glad that he took the risk to keep innovating. At the time of his death he was playing with players in their early twenties, precisely because he didn't want to get stuck in old habits. He's a hero to me because of this courage to innovate at the risk of not pleasing people. For this reason, I will buy every Bjork CD. She scores enough times (that single is just beautiful I think) that I want to encourage her to keep being open to innovation. Young artists need to see someone who is successful who has chosen art with a capital 'A' over commerce with a capital 'C' I also know that I like bands like Bjork and Radiohead a lot more than Helmet, Test Department and Einsturzende Neubaten but that is just personal aesthetics. I have friends who I respect the hell out of and all they listen to is trad country music.............oh well.................who is to say what is good and what is bad. Resonance seems like everything. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 22:22:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i862EKR05001; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c493b6$6548fe70$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: <001601c49362$2caba120$6601a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: Help for a violin looper Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:08:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49394.DE0AF740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4nsXCB.A.WNB.gf8OBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49394.DE0AF740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The bigger amp will help. Esp a Bass or acoustic/keybaord amp. Though, = I have heard amazing results with a violin through a Ampeg VT-22. Look for something in the 80-100 watt range. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew Pierce=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: Help for a violin looper Hello, Please help me with a live setup. I have a dream and need your = experience to help me manifest it. Here is what I think I need: violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) - - preamp/eq - - A/B Switch - - = EDP - - Delay line - - Amp. A/B Switch cont. - - Amp. Here is what I have: ATM-35 (clip on mic) Fishman preamp EDP LXP-5 (delay) Fender Frontman (small amplifier) I want to play a loop sequence with delay with a drummer and other = strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the delay effect as if it = was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. All other = members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the drummer = in particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or = delay so I think I will need an A/B Switch. Here are my issues and fears about using this: Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? Its hard to hear delay. A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to solo through the FX loop. Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX loop. Do I need a better amp? Fender Frontman too small? I have a big concern about the inflexibility performance wise of = locking a group of musicians to a loop in a live context. Anyone have = experience with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the pieces to use no = loop/delay, but that is how they were originally conceived. Thank you for your help, this is a long, detailed post and I = appreciate your input. I am trying to prepare myself as best I can for = the first rehearsal. Matthew Matthew Pierce 22-18 42nd Street, C1 Astoria, NY 11105 718-267-2689 home 718-810-9155 cell seedmuse@verizon.net www.matthewpierce.com ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49394.DE0AF740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The bigger amp will help.  Esp a = Bass or=20 acoustic/keybaord amp.  Though, I have heard amazing results with a = violin=20 through a Ampeg VT-22.
 
Look for something in the 80-100 watt=20 range.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthew=20 Pierce
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, September 05, = 2004 12:05=20 PM
Subject: Help for a violin = looper

Hello,
 
Please help me with a live setup. I = have a dream=20 and need your experience to help me manifest it.
 
Here is what I think I = need:
violin/viola - - clip on mic (ATM-35) = - -=20 preamp/eq - - A/B Switch - - EDP - - Delay line - - Amp.
 
A/B Switch cont. - - = Amp.
 
Here is what I have:
ATM-35 (clip on mic)
Fishman preamp
EDP
LXP-5 (delay)
Fender Frontman (small = amplifier)
 
I want to play a loop sequence with = delay with a=20 drummer and other strings, essentially a band. I need to hear the = delay effect=20 as if it was another performer because I play against it rhythmically. = All=20 other members will need to hear the loop/delay that well also, but the = drummer=20 in particular. I also want to be able to play solo without the loop or = delay=20 so I think I will need an A/B Switch.
 
Here are my issues and fears about = using=20 this:
 
Monitoring. How? In ear? Wireless? = Its hard to=20 hear delay.
A/B Switch for no FX? I don't want to = solo=20 through the FX loop.
Tweaking Mix/Direct levels in FX=20 loop.
Do I need a better amp? Fender = Frontman too=20 small?
 
I have a big concern about the = inflexibility=20 performance wise of locking a group of musicians to a loop in a live = context.=20 Anyone have experience with this? I could arrange/orchestrate the = pieces to=20 use no loop/delay, but that is how they were originally=20 conceived.
 
Thank you for your help, this is a = long, detailed=20 post and I appreciate your input. I am trying to prepare myself as = best I can=20 for the first rehearsal.
 
Matthew
 
 
 
Matthew Pierce
22-18 42nd Street,=20 C1
Astoria, NY  11105
718-267-2689 home
718-810-9155=20 cell
seedmuse@verizon.net
www.matthewpierce.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49394.DE0AF740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 22:33:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i862UpO06728; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:30:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSTcU3aBvENm2ZjTui3WwWLRlJeLQARrh/w Message-Id: <20040906023020.YDIT4228.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Bill. I should have asked Bill Fox directly, but I thought others on the List might be interested in the festival that he's involved with. http://waltzer.crosswinds.net/differentskies/ However, I just realized that it is the same weekend as the Y2K4 event. That really looks great, and the website has, for me, a real Russian feel in the picture and the lettering! Tom **************************** -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival I'm sorry Tom but I'm not handling that, Rick is, if by it you are refering to the Y2K4 event that he is putting on. I'm afraid I don't even know what you meen by Different Skies but the Y2K4 festival is happening the weekend you mentioned.???? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival Bill, Any news for us on Different Skies coming up in October? We've registered for the Saturday concert on 10/9, but Arcosanti doesn't have any more information on it. Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 22:43:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i862ebe07848; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401c4934c$56e74090$0100a8c0@waggy> References: <005901c49342$69f672a0$c2a1fe91@synthhost> <002401c4934c$56e74090$0100a8c0@waggy> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:34:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1117684082==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1117684082==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Haven't heard this yet (Tower Records had a big poster for it in their window but I couldn't find the CD anywhere in the store). Techno a capella has popped up from time to time over the years, with various degrees of success. Even Todd Rundgren did one (the 1985 "A Capella" LP now reissued on Rhino). Many avant garde vocalists have made pieces entirely from vocal material (Joan La Barbara, Tamia, Diamanda Galas, et al). Some of the material is looped, some not. Some of it is heavily processed, some not. It's all worth a listen. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1117684082==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA...
Haven't heard this yet (Tower Records had a big poster for it in their window but I couldn't find the CD anywhere in the store).

Techno a capella has popped up from time to time over the years, with various degrees of success. Even Todd Rundgren did one (the 1985 "A Capella" LP now reissued on Rhino).

Many avant garde vocalists have made pieces entirely from vocal material (Joan La Barbara, Tamia, Diamanda Galas, et al). Some of the material is looped, some not. Some of it is heavily processed, some not. It's all worth a listen.
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--============_-1117684082==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 00:27:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i864M5i00467; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:20:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3177264019_628470_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <0iVtdC.A.-G.HX-OBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3177264019_628470_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Haven't heard this yet (Tower Records had a big poster for it in their window but I couldn't find the CD anywhere in the store). Techno a capella has popped up from time to time over the years, with various degrees of success. Even Todd Rundgren did one (the 1985 "A Capella" LP now reissued on Rhino). Many avant garde vocalists have made pieces entirely from vocal material (Joan La Barbara, Tamia, Diamanda Galas, et al). Some of the material is looped, some not. Some of it is heavily processed, some not. It's all worth a listen. yeah, good stuff...and dont forget sf local voxer: s (saw her @ exploratorium here in the city awhile back and she was loopin like crazee.) --MS_Mac_OE_3177264019_628470_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA...
Haven't heard this yet (Tower Records had a big poster for it i= n their window but I couldn't find the CD anywhere in the store).

Techno a capella has popped up from time to time over the years, wit= h various degrees of success. Even Todd Rundgren did one (the 1985 "A C= apella" LP now reissued on Rhino).

Many avant garde vocalists have made pieces entirely from vocal material (J= oan La Barbara, Tamia, Diamanda Galas, et al). Some of the material is loope= d, some not. Some of it is heavily processed, some not. It's all worth a lis= ten.



yeah, good stuff...and dont forget sf local voxer:
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(saw her @ exploratorium here in the city awhile back and she was loopin li= ke crazee.)=20 --MS_Mac_OE_3177264019_628470_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 00:36:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i864W2B01403; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040905212955.074a3728@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:31:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended settings, etc) In-Reply-To: <000401c49386$70b99dd0$6a01a8c0@khartung> References: <004201c491ee$12284710$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000401c49386$70b99dd0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:25 PM 9/5/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I know this topic has probably been beaten into the ground on previous >threads, but I've searched for past threads, read the EDP+ manual (page >2-9 on Stereo operation and page 6-7 on BrotherSync), made those >settings on my unit, and I still get a slight timing drift on occasion. >The timing doesn't get continuously worse over time; rather it just >diverges to the point to where it sounds like I'm running a 50MS delay >on my guitar. sounds strange. How are you controlling them? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 01:48:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i865kD911462; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:44:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c493d4$9f531ab0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <006b01c493ac$c7deec70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good thoughts, gents. Thanks for putting your pennies into a thought process that has always been a bit of a rock in my shoe. Interesting approach Rick, because I feel like sometimes I'm coming into a space of being more 'honest' with myself when I kick back and enjoy an old Willie Nelson record, or Nat Cole with his trio (Oscar Moore rocks...need I say more?), or some mellow dub-tronica (Tosca, Thievery Corp., etc), instead of listening to something just because it's pushing boundaries. I'm actually ENJOYING the music, rather than calculating how 'cool' it is because it's out there, you know? And at the same time, because I like certain experimental music, and I've been an 'alternative' music lover since I got into punk rock at a mid-teen, there's a bit of a guilt trip, too. Gotta keep up with the 'more alternative than thou' joneses. As I get older, I care less and less about such things, and just try to relax and enjoy. So that brings me full circle and the fun starts all over again. What do I like and why? Seriously...I've figuratively worn the grooves off of Kind of Blue, Birth of the Cool, and In a Silent Way. But I've tried to listen to Bitches Brew all of about 3 or 4 times, and find it almost unlistenable. And I used to keep buying records of artists I respected, and as they got further and further into their own 'expression', I just realized I was buying their records for some other purpose than enjoying the music. Robert Hampson of Loop and Main is a prime example. After a point, I was like "what the hell am I doing? I don't even like this...." And I like Helmet a lot more than I like Bjork, so there! Hahaha.... Ramble....over and out... The hotel arrangements for Y2K4 have been made, so me and the wife will be there. Looking forward to it! Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:59 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) I was so excited to hear Bjork's new CD that I went down when the music store opened on the day it was released. I positively loved the tune she's had up on her website and have admired her for her courage to eschew being a hugely successful pop start who constantly pushes the boundaries of her artistry. I also had released and experimental all vocal CD at christmas time (which was really scary because I had only begun seriously singing really late in my musical career) and I wanted to see what she would come up with (especially working with the brilliant and innovative producers that she works with. I have to say that despite the beauty of her 'single' from the CD, I was really dissapointed. The record doesn't move me emotionally. I know several people who aren't moved by my last CD. It's the most emotional record I've ever made.........go figure. Some of her ideas just seem half baked and there is not a very strong compositional sense on the CD..........but that's to my ears.........very obviously a lot of people adore it. Even so, I think that as artists who are interested in pushing our own boundaries that we constantly run the risk of releasing something that is unformed or not mature in an attempt to eschew the dominant paradigm, aesthetically. It is an inherent danger in flirting with the 'New'. I think it's a risk that is important to take and for the very first time in my entire life of people pleasing and insecurity about what people think about my music, I have come to embrace the concept of taking risks and not even worrying about how it will be recieved. Personally, I feel so much more liberated and I know I"m growing faster as an artist than I ever have in my life. If Bjork and Thom York and Mike Patton encourage younger musicians to take big chances and move away from the incredibly stale and stunted state of current mass market pop music, my feeling is that there work is done, whether or not I like it or love it. Man, Miles Davis failed so miserably in several of the things he attempted artistically in his life....................I was so damned glad that he took the risk to keep innovating. At the time of his death he was playing with players in their early twenties, precisely because he didn't want to get stuck in old habits. He's a hero to me because of this courage to innovate at the risk of not pleasing people. For this reason, I will buy every Bjork CD. She scores enough times (that single is just beautiful I think) that I want to encourage her to keep being open to innovation. Young artists need to see someone who is successful who has chosen art with a capital 'A' over commerce with a capital 'C' I also know that I like bands like Bjork and Radiohead a lot more than Helmet, Test Department and Einsturzende Neubaten but that is just personal aesthetics. I have friends who I respect the hell out of and all they listen to is trad country music.............oh well.................who is to say what is good and what is bad. Resonance seems like everything. r. __________ NOD32 1.787 (20040612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 02:28:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i866Qlw14965; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040906062605.89780.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended settings, etc) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040905212955.074a3728@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you might want to change the stereo cable to check if its ok, otherweise if you have an oberheim EDP and a gibson one that might be the problem some of them don´t sync. Cheers Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:25 PM 9/5/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >I know this topic has probably been beaten into the > ground on previous > >threads, but I've searched for past threads, read > the EDP+ manual (page > >2-9 on Stereo operation and page 6-7 on > BrotherSync), made those > >settings on my unit, and I still get a slight > timing drift on occasion. > >The timing doesn't get continuously worse over > time; rather it just > >diverges to the point to where it sounds like I'm > running a 50MS delay > >on my guitar. > > sounds strange. How are you controlling them? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 02:37:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i866ZXS15725; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040906063505.3827.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: the conundrum (was Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c49362$3776ff00$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And then you have people like Manu Chao who do to their first successful production they replicate their second almost identical which i find boring to be honest! cheers Luis --- the toy room wrote: > Hi all, > Jump in here if you have any input, or leave it to > die quietly (it's not > terribly serious, anyway!) The mention of Bjork's > new record got me all > riled up again, and I thought I would pick your > brains for some > thoughts. > > As musicians and music lovers, how do you approach > artists that you > actually 'respect' more than you 'like'? This would > be my exact > definition of an artist like Bjork. (insert > conversation to myself) > "ok, I GET that there's something different > happening here, and they are > obviously an innovative and creative person. > Everyone is raving about > them, too. But if I sit here and listen to this > stuff, I think I'm > going to punch my head through the wall, because > it's aggravating as > hell." > > And I'm not someone who is terribly light-hearted > about music. I've > mellowed as the years go on, but there's still > nothing wrong with > challenging, aggravating music taking a spin on the > ol' CD player > (Stooges, Helmet, Test Department, Loop, > Einsturzende Neubauten, > Coltrane, etc. come to mind) > > But there seems to be a collection of artists, for > me, who I respect > very much for doing what they do, but I honestly > couldn't really give a > shit about listening to their current creative > output. > > The list! > > Bjork > Radiohead > Sonic Youth > Tricky > > In my opinion (you know what they say about > opinions), these bands have, > for their last few records, been on conscious > attempt to get 'wierder' > and more experimental in their approach. In theory, > this is great, but > the actual product leaves me cold. Bjork: > god....another weird video > where we're supposed to be enthralled with the > exquisite video effects, > all the while worshipping the beauty(?) of that > little pixie? Blah..... > And is Thom York singing microtonal, or just can't > sing in key anymore? > Let's flip a coin! > Sonic Youth: hmmmmmm....should they have stopped at > Daydream Nation? I > mean, really? > Tricky: Maxinquaye is brilliant, In my > opinion...but that's like, his > first record? Everything since then can't be > shit.....or could it? > > Anyway, like I said. If it's not worth discussing, > leave it. I know > it's all about taste. If I don't like it, don't > listen (and I do or > don't at my leisure). But these are also artists > considered the most > talented and creative in their genre. > > Thoughts? > > Best regards, > > Rich > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 08:10:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86C8tZ17524; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:08:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:08:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1094472485!19545104 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C95@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: the conundrum Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:01:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C49409.379D03B0" Resent-Message-ID: <7DdxD.A.VPE.oMFPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C49409.379D03B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > There are plenty of artists who I respect and like the *idea* of....< two words- laurie anderson. I even bought some of her records to demonstrate my support. & at brixton academy last week, I stayed 'til the very end of sonic youth's jetlagged tribute to glenn branca, even though the other half complained throughout, "aren't bands supposed to do crowd-pleasers for encores?" thurston, btw, has a new gimmick- he lays the guitar on the stage & waves the amp over it. this gives him full control over his feedback & lets him mess with the reverb springs too. nice. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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> There are plenty of artists who I respect and like t= he *idea* of....<

two words- laurie anderson.
I even bought some of her records to demonstrate my supp= ort.

& at brixton academy last week, I stayed 'til the ver= y end of sonic youth's jetlagged tribute to glenn branca, even though the o= ther half complained throughout, "aren't bands supposed to do crowd-pl= easers for encores?"

thurston, btw, has a new gimmick- he lays the guitar on t= he stage & waves the amp over it. this gives him full control over his = feedback & lets him mess with the reverb springs too. nice.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C49409.379D03B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 12:15:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86G7ND15664; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200409061210.i86CAmv17758@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409061210.i86CAmv17758@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:05:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah--young artists need to see someone who is good who has chosen art with a capital 'A' over commerce with a capital 'C'. Different and experimental by themselves don't have any value. Much as I enjoy the concept of Bjork, I'm positive that she'd be a footnote without her striking videos. Her recent output strikes me as tuneless exercises in amazing production, and I get the distinct impression that the backing tracks are welded onto the vocals via sheer willpower and overdubbery. Bjork is also one of the worst offenders when it comes to putting out umpteen different versions of each single, album and video to wring money out of the devout fan. I have friends who are Bjork completists, and it's hundreds of dollars a year. She makes the Cure discography look barren in comparison. Hardly the work of someone valuing pure Art over Commerce. So, to summarize my position: always value "Good" over "Different". TravisH On Sep 6, 2004, at 5:10 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > For this reason, I will buy every Bjork CD. She scores enough times > (that > single is just beautiful I think) that I want to encourage her to > keep being open to innovation. Young artists need to see someone who > is > successful who has chosen art with a capital 'A' over commerce with a > capital 'C' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 13:37:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86HZh726820; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c49438$5ef1c980$aa8fa344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040906062605.89780.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended settings, etc) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:38:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.143.170] at Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:34:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <6wGYWC.A.zgG.Z-JPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A slight refinement on Luis' post -- that is: if you have Oberheim and Gibson EDP's in stereo AND you're running the latest Loop IV software on them both, that might be the problem. I have exactly this set-up, and exactly this "drifting" problem. The problem did not exist with the same EDP's when they were running Loop III. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:26 AM Subject: Re: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended settings, etc) > you might want to change the stereo cable to check if > its ok, otherweise if you have an oberheim EDP and a > gibson one that might be the problem some of them > don´t sync. > Cheers > Luis > > > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > > At 01:25 PM 9/5/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >I know this topic has probably been beaten into the > > ground on previous > > >threads, but I've searched for past threads, read > > the EDP+ manual (page > > >2-9 on Stereo operation and page 6-7 on > > BrotherSync), made those > > >settings on my unit, and I still get a slight > > timing drift on occasion. > > >The timing doesn't get continuously worse over > > time; rather it just > > >diverges to the point to where it sounds like I'm > > running a 50MS delay > > >on my guitar. > > > > sounds strange. How are you controlling them? > > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 15:22:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86JEw903616; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c49446$2073d460$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: New dreamSTATE Ambient Installation Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:17:18 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you in Ontario and nearby Provinces or States, there's a new installation to experience. For those of you farther away - a new mp3 to from the installation to download... Definitely not "live looping" but there's seven stereo CD systems looping separate soundscapes (of different lengths, related by key) in seven spaces within the gaol. The central corridor has an interesting mix of the soundscapes from most of the rooms. THE "BREAD & WATER" INSTALLATION Last week dreamSTATE mounted the soundscape system for the new "Bread & Water" multimedia installation within the Huron Historic Gaol in Goderich Ontario. Based on "Moon Sea Crossing", a collection of poems by Lynn Harrigan, this collaborative installation relates the true story of Aina, an Irish woman who immigrated to Canada with her husband and children in 1846. Aina suffered a breakdown shortly after her arrival in Huron County and was incarcerated at the Gaol, as there were no mental institutions at that time and place. Poems, music, paintings and photographs throughout the Gaol explore a variety of themes, including mental illness, displacement, hunger, grief & Irish folklore. For this installation, dreamSTATE has created seven new soundscapes to support the emotions of Harrigan's poetry. Installed in various spaces within the Historic Goal, these soundscapes represent the stages of Aina's journey to Canada, to Stanley Township and eventually within the Gaol. dreamSTATE will later be releasing a CD of these pieces titled "PASSAGE" - which is currently available only at the Gaol. Click the link(s) below to stream or download an mp3 of "Stone and Sky" - music created for the Gaol courtyard where inmates could stretch and see the sky again. LoFi - http://www.dreamstate.to/play/stone_and_sky_64.m3u HiFi - http://www.dreamstate.to/play/stone_and_sky_128.m3u The "Bread & Water" Installation runs daily from August 28th to October 24th within the Huron Historic Gaol in Goderich, a very lovely town on the shore of Lake Huron in Ontario. For more information on the Gaol and "B&W" installation visit: http://www.huroncounty.ca/museum/pages/galleries/coming.html and information about Goderich and various places to stay is available at http://www.town.goderich.on.ca/restaurants.html Photos from the live performance with Lynn Harrigan and cellist Laura Jean McCann at the opening event for the "Bread & Water" installation at http://www.dreamstate.to/events.htm Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes Information on poet Lynn Harrigan at http://www.lynnharrigan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 15:33:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86JUpa05112; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <413CBAB9.3040105@biink.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:30:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) References: <200409061210.i86CAmv17758@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nah--young artists need to see someone who is good who has chosen art > with a capital 'A' over commerce with a capital 'C'. Different and > experimental by themselves don't have any value. Much as I enjoy the > concept of Bjork, I'm positive that she'd be a footnote without her > striking videos. Her recent output strikes me as tuneless exercises > in amazing production, and I get the distinct impression that the > backing tracks are welded onto the vocals via sheer willpower and > overdubbery. > > Bjork is also one of the worst offenders when it comes to putting out > umpteen different versions of each single, album and video to wring > money out of the devout fan. I have friends who are Bjork > completists, and it's hundreds of dollars a year. She makes the Cure > discography look barren in comparison. Hardly the work of someone > valuing pure Art over Commerce. > > So, to summarize my position: always value "Good" over "Different". I guess she had to finance the new album. Have you even heard it? The bulk of it is not pop music, I think it's amazing. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 16:06:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86Jq6007212; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c4944a$eab66810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <001701c493d4$9f531ab0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Subject: re: bjork's new CD) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:51:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <5pB-bC.A.RvB.H_LPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rich, How refreshing to hear someone who thinks In a Silent Way kicks bootay on Bitches Brew. All the critiques hold the latter up as ground breaking work, but I really think that In A Silent Way is much the better record and breaks the same ground more successfully (and earlier). I hear you about just kicking back and ENJOYING the music! I heartily support you in that endeavor. I occasionally pull out my 1st David Crosby record or Happy Sad by Tim Buckley or Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison and just let it wash over me without a 'groundbreaking' thought in my head. Looking forward to meeting you and your wife at Y2K4 and I dig Helmet too, by the way..............just haven't listened to their last stuff. Bring some for me to 'edumacate' me! *********** and to Richard Zvonar: viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs: I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone of that notion immediately. I really meant that I was being groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something so audacious (I've not been a vocalist, after all and there are the incredible peeps like AmyX, PamelaZ, Whoolielicious, etc. that are in our own tiny scene who can 'kick my ass' both innovatively and vocally). I really was musing about taking on new things as a positive artistic challenge. Please forgive if I gave the wrong impression. And thanks for all the mentions of past innovators. LOL, I felt guilty at the time, but I hated Todd Rundgrens' all vocal CD...........and I was a huge fan. Meredith Monk on the other hand! Whew!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 16:43:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86KgQD12117; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:42:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:42:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c49452$600cd7a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <200409061210.i86CAmv17758@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:44:58 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" Some good points - Some baaad points... > Nah--young artists need to see someone who is good who has chosen art > with a capital 'A' over commerce with a capital 'C'. Different and > experimental by themselves don't have any value. Much as I enjoy the > concept of Bjork, I'm positive that she'd be a footnote without her > striking videos. Her recent output strikes me as tuneless exercises in > amazing production, and I get the distinct impression that the backing > tracks are welded onto the vocals via sheer willpower and overdubbery. Haven't heard the new one yet - holding out for the SACD 5.1 mix next week. But if "Her recent output" includes her previous release "Vespertine", I really think that "tuneless exercises in amazing production" is waaay of the mark. Also, check out her "Live at Royal Festival Hall" DVD to experience it in the moment and to hear that it is *not* a case of "the backing tracks are welded onto the vocals via sheer willpower and overdubbery". There's some charming rearrangements of older tracks too. > Bjork is also one of the worst offenders when it comes to putting out > umpteen different versions of each single, album and video to wring > money out of the devout fan. I have friends who are Bjork completists, > and it's hundreds of dollars a year. She makes the Cure discography > look barren in comparison. Hardly the work of someone valuing pure Art > over Commerce. Agree. The various singles/3 remixes/single-video-on-a-DVD releases do put the commerce first. Waiting until there's enough great odds and ends for a full length compilation release is kinder to the fans. Bjork's 4 disc live compilation is a good example of the 'better way' to go. David Bowie has been irritating me with his cash-grab tactics recently with "remastered" versions of his CDs released only a few years ago (with a few "bonus" tracks to entice completists) and constant revisions of "Reality" with an extra track or a live DVD or other "bonuses". > So, to summarize my position: always value "Good" over "Different". Makes sense to me. Art can also certainly be "Both". On related posts: By coincidence I was listening to Bitches Brew" this morning with breakfast and will agree that it's "In A Silent Way" that gives me more personal pleasure. Thought I'd plug the SACD 5.1 mix of "Silent Way" which spreads the 3 keyboards around and helps to differentiate the various parts. Wonderfull! Also the 5.1 DVD-A mix of "Vespertine" is a delicious experience! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 16:52:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86KjK212590; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00de01c4944a$eab66810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <001701c493d4$9f531ab0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <00de01c4944a$eab66810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:39:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: bjork's new CD) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1117619023==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1117619023==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:51 PM -0700 9/6/04, loop.pool wrote: >and to Richard Zvonar: > > viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs: > >I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural >sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone >of that notion immediately. I really meant that I was being >groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something >so audacious I didn't think you were making such claims. I was merely providing some pointers to earlier recordings of music made out of vocal sounds, no judgement of anyone's work implied. Your comment about breaking ground for your self is apt. Pauline Oliveros used to say something similar to her students, when some of them would use the excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it." I was actually glad to hear her say that, because my very first new music performance piece Chanson des Muets (1975) - which debuted at Cabrillo College - owed a major debt to Pauline's Sound Patterns (1964). I was never really concerned about it being perceived as a rip-off (though Ken Gaburo did once comment on its derivation from Pauline's work), because I took her piece as a point of departure and explored certain sonic and gestural elements from her work while adopting other influences from other sources and even throwing in some possibly "original" ideas of my own. That's how we learn and that's how the repertoire evolves. As a teacher Pauline understood that implicitly and openly gave "permission" to other composers to take what they found useful from her work. I actually enjoy the process of appropriation and recontextualization in music and other arts (this should be obvious in my processing of commercial CDs and from my lifting book illustrations for my visual theater work). I also like to drop little hints into my pieces, pointing to the sources of various ideas. It's all a big web of influences and associations anyway - a glass bead game to use Hesse's metaphor. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1117619023==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" re: bjork's new CD)
At 12:51 PM -0700 9/6/04, loop.pool wrote:

and to Richard Zvonar:

 viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs:

I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural
sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone
of that notion immediately.    I really meant that I was being
groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something
so audacious

I didn't think you were making such claims.  I was merely providing some pointers to earlier recordings of music made out of vocal sounds, no judgement of anyone's work implied.

Your comment about breaking ground for your self is apt. Pauline Oliveros used to say something similar to her students, when some of them would use the excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it."

I was actually glad to hear her say that, because my very first new music performance piece Chanson des Muets (1975) - which debuted at Cabrillo College - owed a major debt to Pauline's Sound Patterns (1964). I was never really concerned about it being perceived as a rip-off (though Ken Gaburo did once comment on its derivation from Pauline's work), because I took her piece as a point of departure and explored certain sonic and gestural elements from her work while adopting other influences from other sources and even throwing in some possibly "original" ideas of my own. That's how we learn and that's how the repertoire evolves. As a teacher Pauline understood that implicitly and openly gave "permission" to other composers to take what they found useful from her work.

I actually enjoy the process of appropriation and recontextualization in music and other arts (this should be obvious in my processing of commercial CDs and from my lifting book illustrations for my visual theater work). I also like to drop little hints into my pieces, pointing to the sources of various ideas. It's all a big web of influences and associations anyway - a glass bead game to use Hesse's metaphor.
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1117619023==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 17:40:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86LYcr16856; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:33:06 -0800 Subject: Re: bjork's new CD) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3177325986_190633_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3177325986_190633_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit At 12:51 PM -0700 9/6/04, loop.pool wrote: and to Richard Zvonar: viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs: I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone of that notion immediately. I really meant that I was being groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something so audacious I didn't think you were making such claims. I was merely providing some pointers to earlier recordings of music made out of vocal sounds, no judgement of anyone's work implied. Your comment about breaking ground for your self is apt. Pauline Oliveros used to say something similar to her students, when some of them would use the excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it." well said again...and i guess the inverse of that is: ...this takes me back to the 'art world' i left when i got into my musical guise... there is nothing more defeating than to be in a museum and to be awestruck by a painting by MARK ROTHKO or MORRIS LOUIS or someone who paints unrepresentationally(is that a word?) and hear someone looking at it and saying goofilee "i could do that..."! ya feel like showing him that new star 'myshoe' way up past 'Uranus'. i know this is OT but if anyone knows the beauty and elegance of a Rothko painting it really hurts to hear someone belittle it(even if unknowningly). and, no i dont think they could 'do it'... many an artist has taken the ideals and used them to their own end... sorry...just ramblin... s --MS_Mac_OE_3177325986_190633_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: bjork's new CD)

At 12:51 PM -0700 9/6/04, loop.pool wrote:

and to Richard Zvonar:

viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs:

I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural=
sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone
of that notion immediately.    I really meant that I was bei= ng
groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something
so audacious

I didn't think you were making such claims.  I was merely provi= ding some pointers to earlier recordings of music made out of vocal sounds, = no judgement of anyone's work implied.

Your comment about breaking ground for your self is apt. Pauline Oliveros u= sed to say something similar to her students, when some of them would use th= e excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond= , "Yes, but you haven't done it."


well said again...and i guess the inverse of that is:
...this takes me back to the 'art world' i left when i got into my musical = guise...
there is nothing more defeating than to be in a museum and to be awestruck = by a painting by MARK ROTHKO or MORRIS LOUIS or someone who paints unreprese= ntationally(is that a word?) and hear someone looking  at it and saying= goofilee  
"i could do that..."! ya feel like showing him that new star 'mys= hoe' way up past 'Uranus'. i know this is OT but if anyone knows the beauty = and elegance of a Rothko painting it really hurts to hear someone belittle i= t(even if unknowningly).
and, no i dont think they could 'do it'...
many an artist has taken the ideals  and used them to their own end...=
sorry...just ramblin...
s

--MS_Mac_OE_3177325986_190633_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 19:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i86N9WQ29017; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:09:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:09:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: bjork's new CD) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c49466$6055d770$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4942B.B3F6FF70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4942B.B3F6FF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey! Stan and Dr. Z! Since you two guys seem to be in such syncronicity with your thoughts, and both of you were treats of the 2002 loopfest, IMO. ..and you're both playing 2004. .hmmmm.. Can we get Stan to play a bit and have Dr. Z cut it up live? Yowza!!! Hehe.. Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bjork's new CD) At 12:51 PM -0700 9/6/04, loop.pool wrote: and to Richard Zvonar: viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs: I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone of that notion immediately. I really meant that I was being groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something so audacious I didn't think you were making such claims. I was merely providing some pointers to earlier recordings of music made out of vocal sounds, no judgement of anyone's work implied. Your comment about breaking ground for your self is apt. Pauline Oliveros used to say something similar to her students, when some of them would use the excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it." well said again...and i guess the inverse of that is: ...this takes me back to the 'art world' i left when i got into my musical guise... there is nothing more defeating than to be in a museum and to be awestruck by a painting by MARK ROTHKO or MORRIS LOUIS or someone who paints unrepresentationally(is that a word?) and hear someone looking at it and saying goofilee "i could do that..."! ya feel like showing him that new star 'myshoe' way up past 'Uranus'. i know this is OT but if anyone knows the beauty and elegance of a Rothko painting it really hurts to hear someone belittle it(even if unknowningly). and, no i dont think they could 'do it'... many an artist has taken the ideals and used them to their own end... sorry...just ramblin... s __________ NOD32 1.787 (20040612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4942B.B3F6FF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: bjork's new CD)

Hey!  Stan and Dr. Z!

 

Since you two guys seem to be in = such syncronicity with your thoughts, and both of you = were treats of the 2002 loopfest, = IMO.

 

….and you’re both = playing 2004.

 

…hmmmm….

 

Can we get Stan to play a bit and = have Dr. Z cut it up live?    = Yowza!!!

 

Hehe….

 

Best,

 

Rich

 

 

 

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From: = stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, September = 06, 2004 3:33 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: bjork's new = CD)

 

 

At 12:51 PM -0700 9/6/04, loop.pool = wrote:

and to Richard Zvonar:

viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs:

I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a = cultural
sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone
of that notion immediately.    I really meant that I was = being
groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something
so audacious


I didn't think you were = making such claims.  I was merely providing some pointers to earlier = recordings of music made out of vocal sounds, no judgement of anyone's work = implied.

Your comment about breaking ground for your self is apt. Pauline = Oliveros used to say something similar to her students, when some of them would use = the excuse "It's been = done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it."


well said again...and i guess the inverse of that is:
...this takes me back to the 'art world' i left when i got into my = musical guise...
there is nothing more defeating than to be in a museum and to be = awestruck by a painting by MARK ROTHKO or MORRIS LOUIS or someone who paints unrepresentationally(is that a word?) and hear someone looking  at = it and saying goofilee  
"i could do that..."! ya feel like showing him that new star = 'myshoe' way up past 'Uranus'. i know this is OT but if anyone knows the beauty = and elegance of a Rothko painting it really hurts to hear someone belittle = it(even if unknowningly).
and, no i dont think they could 'do it'...
many an artist has taken the ideals  and used them to their own = end...
sorry...just ramblin...
s



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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4942B.B3F6FF70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 20:44:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i870faM07668; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:41:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift (I've made the recommended settings, etc) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:40:49 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c49473$52ac25e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040906101601.0755a728@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, LD Group - I am not using any other MIDI devices with my two EDP+s. Here is a detailed look at my settings and connections, plus the results of a basic test. - Two identical model EDP Plus units (purchased new two months ago) - Both Units connected via a stereo 1/4" cable between the BrotherSync jacks - One MIDI cable running from the MIDI OUT of unit A to the MIDI IN of unit B - I am controlling unite A via a white Echoplex Digital Pro controller pedal (also bought new a few months ago) that connects to unit B via a standard 1/4 inch cable - Both units have Sync set to Out - Both units have ControlSource set to Controllers The slight delay does not occur immediately after recording a phrase, but appears slightly several repeat phrases later. The drift occurs and begins to increase gradually. I am running a basic test now. I just played and recorded a single sequence of notes and I'm letting it loop back The time displays on the two units appear to be in sync as well. 1 minute later, the playback is starting to exhibit the delay slightly, then it inceases gradually (the drift) ...back 5 minutes later...drift still increasing. I stopped the loop, hitting pause, started again, and the delay is gone. Back five minutes later...drift is back. I switched the MIDI and foot controller pedal connections between unit A and B 5 minutes later...drift is back. Switched out the stereo 1/4 brother sync cable with a different cable. Started a new loop. 5 minutes later....massive drift...10 minutes later, more drift. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:19 AM To: info@krispenhartung.com Subject: RE: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended settings, etc) are you using any other midi devices, or any other sync? Is one of the units an old oberheim unit, or are both brand new, or some other combination? I'm not sure I understood your description of your problem exactly. do they start out with the 50ms delay between them, or do the start together and then drift that much? Is the time display the same on both when a loop records? kim At 11:12 PM 9/5/2004, you wrote: >With the EDP floor footpedal board. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:31 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Stereo EDPs and Slight Timing (I've made the recommended >settings, etc) > > >At 01:25 PM 9/5/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >I know this topic has probably been beaten into the ground on > >previous threads, but I've searched for past threads, read the EDP+ > >manual (page > > >2-9 on Stereo operation and page 6-7 on BrotherSync), made those > >settings on my unit, and I still get a slight timing drift on > >occasion. > > >The timing doesn't get continuously worse over time; rather it just > >diverges to the point to where it sounds like I'm running a 50MS > >delay on my guitar. > >sounds strange. How are you controlling them? > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 22:13:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i872BBr19099; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:11:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-2200492722028440@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: bjork's new CD) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:20:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940571459add16c382cf5e6d41ed371b10a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.130 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII (when some of them would use the excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it.") Great! Yes, I tell people "you could stuff you piano with hay and christmas ornaments and rest an electric guitar on it plugged into a string of Fender Twins, and have a trio of aluminum-foil-clad maidens dance on same, only to have someone older/wiser happen by and say something like "feh....so-and-so did that back in '61." "Good" is what finally counts. As we've said earlier, "different" is noble, but in and of itself not enough. What all musicians need to avoid is pulling a Jimmy Page on somebody (e.g., stealing "Dazed and Confused," words and all, from Jake Holmes, putting your own name on it, and making a bazillion dollars off of your admittedly well-done version...other examples are too numerous to expound upon here). I should say at this point that I worship Pagey but I'd never show him one of *my* songs (LOL). ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII re: bjork's new CD)
(when some of them would use the excuse "It's been done." Pauline would invariable respond, "Yes, but you haven't done it.")
 
Great! Yes, I tell people "you could stuff you piano with hay and christmas ornaments and rest an electric guitar on it plugged into a string of Fender Twins, and have a trio of aluminum-foil-clad maidens dance on same, only to have someone older/wiser happen by and say something like "feh....so-and-so did that back in '61."   "Good" is what finally counts. As we've said earlier, "different" is noble, but in and of itself not enough.
What all musicians need to avoid is pulling a Jimmy Page on somebody (e.g., stealing "Dazed and Confused," words and all, from Jake Holmes, putting your own name on it, and making a bazillion dollars off of your admittedly well-done version...other examples are too numerous to expound upon here). I should say at this point that I worship Pagey but I'd never show him one of *my* songs (LOL).
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 02:41:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i876aIn10559; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 02:36:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 02:36:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200409062311.i86NBpT29256@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409062311.i86NBpT29256@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F7B475F-0098-11D9-B41E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry (was conundrum, re: bjork's new CD) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:35:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At a record store listening booth, I listened to the first track and the first minute or so of the next five, and there was nothing grabbing me, and it sounded pretty Bjork. Like a lot of "music with an unusual concept in it's production", I found the idea more compelling than the actual results. At this point she's in my bin marked "artists who have exhausted my benefit of the doubt owing to my finite amounts of time and money", along with Radiohead, Merzbow, live Phish recordings, John Tesh, the films of Kevin Smith, Skrewdriver, all of the post-'91 output of Philip Glass, and many others. So, I'm unlikely to spend actual money and time to confirm what several previous years of Bjork exposure have revealed: a lack of compatibility between her musical art and my powers of appreciation. And besides, my point is not to confirm or deny the perceived worth of any particular piece of art, but rather to emphasize that it's important to be sure that one isn't mistaking "novel" for "good". A recording of someone playing piano with just their nose, for instance, isn't really all that interesting to listen to...twice, regardless of the novel approach, or the difficulty the performer faced in working in such a manner.. And maybe not even once if you don't know the back story. Remember Bang On A Can's version of "Music For Airports"? So, I'm glad you enjoy the new Bjork, but I'm not just knee-jerking my rejection of it. TravisH On Sep 6, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I guess she had to finance the new album. Have you even heard it? > The bulk of it is not pop music, I think it's amazing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Ds8Z18239; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c494e2$a4dec880$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200409062311.i86NBpT29256@hemlock.violacea.com> <1F7B475F-0098-11D9-B41E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:57:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.245.58] at Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:53:09 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my opinion, when listening to music it's the end result, and not the process that created it, that is most important. I know there are cases when/where the process is the art, but then I would offer this is true ONLY when the process is available to be witnessed as well. David Kirkdorffer UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_3...6.html?tag=list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 10:51:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87ElAe23495; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process BUT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:45:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSU4mYedetkOaTqQqO0JPVB54xBnwABD29g In-Reply-To: <000401c494e2$a4dec880$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <20040907144514.KUJJ8658.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <5nyWDC.A.DtF.AmcPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true ONLY when the process is available to be witnessed... Well said, David. That was the experience that I had when first watching DJ Shadow's latest Live DVD. I was as amazed with what he was doing, and how, as with what he was "playing". But isn't this "Performance"? And aren't musicians "Performers"? At least, that is what one of the music degrees used to be called. Performance Art is everywhere, even in poetry, where you can hardly get up and just read anymore. I played a concert with a community symphony orchestra in a concert hall one time, where we didn't have enough percussionists (is there ever enough :) and someone came to me after the concert who had sat in the balcony, and said: "I just loved watching you during the concert! You had sticks in your mouth, and seemed to have more than two arms when playing!" Unintended Performance Art, sort of like Lord Ganesh sitting in. Cool, actually. Tom ********************************************* -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process. In my opinion, when listening to music it's the end result, and not the process that created it, that is most important. I know there are cases when/where the process is the art, but then I would offer this is true ONLY when the process is available to be witnessed as well. David Kirkdorffer UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_3...6.html?tag=list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:04:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87F0aT25145; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:00:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process BUT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:58:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSU4mYedetkOaTqQqO0JPVB54xBnwABD29gAADU4fA= In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040907145836.KZJF8658.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com P.S. I've also had the weight to look like Lord Ganesh. A friend of mine once asked me why do you think Lord Ganesh, who is sort of an elephant, why do you think He can ride on a mouse, or sit on a spider web? Because He takes himself lightly! Good advice for all of us at times... Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:45 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process BUT ...Unintended Performance Art, sort of like Lord Ganesh sitting in. Cool, actually. Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:19:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87FGDM26727; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4111123.1094570060925.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: In praise of Ganesh RE: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process BUT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, thanks for passing that along! Very nice! Reminds me of when Homer Simpson crashed Apu's wedding clumsily disguised as Ganesh (a/k/a Ganesha)...the crowd didn't buy it for a second, saying "that is not Ganesh! Lord Ganesh is graceful!!" Deities like Ganesh make me glad I decided to be a pantheist. (Not that I'm an expert or anything...far from it.) Yours in Hans Reichel, Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87FTEA27772; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:27:49 -0400 Subject: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8eQL2B.A.9wG.8NdPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed...it is almost all vocals. A touch of electro-beats and a little keyboard on a track or two.. I love it. The two choirs are fantastic. The funny thing is - the press hype emphasizes how 'otherworldly' and 'weird' the CD sounds due to the vocal heaviness, but to these ears, while it does sound fresh, it's no 'weirder' than most of her material, especially of the last 3-4 years. It ALWAYS sounds otherworldly, her blending of ancient voices with laptop aesthetics. I also hear his record as a nod to Kate Bush ('The Dreaming'-style vocals are all over this) and Meredith Monk (whom she cites as an influence in the current Rolling stone), and Inuit folk song. I wonder if she has ever heard Todd Rundgren's groundbreaking 1985 ALL vocal album "A Capella". From: "Jason Spring" Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 01:17:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? This is semi off topic, but Bjork's new cd is pretty kick ass. I'm almost sure it's 100% vocal (Rick! You got some competiton). She's joined by vocal extrordinaire/Faith No More/Mr. Bungle/Fantomas/Tomahawk frontman Mike Patton, human beatbox virtuosos Rahzel and Dokaka, Inuit throat singer Tagaq, two different choirs, and a host of other artists/producers. If you get a chance I highly recommend checking this album out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:51:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87FhFM29202; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:43:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.204.136.58] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" Subject: NYC Performance: Rossi-Touch GTR Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:40:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2004 15:40:48.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C104AC0:01C494F1] Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lou Rossi: Touch Guitar Textures > >Thursday, Sept 9 >10 pm (lounge is open 9-2) > >phOnOmena @ subtonic > >107 Norfolk Street >(bet. Rivington & Delancey) >Lower East Side, NYC >The show is FREE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:54:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Fphb30438; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:51:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:51:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <413DD8C5.2060601@biink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:50:29 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry - the result is the point, not the process. References: <200409062311.i86NBpT29256@hemlock.violacea.com> <1F7B475F-0098-11D9-B41E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <000401c494e2$a4dec880$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000401c494e2$a4dec880$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: >In my opinion, when listening to music it's the end result, and not the >process that created it, that is most important. > Are you sure you're on the right list? kidding...kidding.... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:58:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Fne929921; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29057725.1094572094482.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:48:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre! Tim Mungenast here, Frank Gerace's pal (you and I met when I was reviewing the Grandmothers of Invention at Johnny D's for yoursound.com a few years back). If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out Stockhausen's "Stimmung." This'll do it for ya. Not as spine-tingling as the Ligetti choral stuff on "2001: A Space Odyssey," but a worthwhile listen. And keep on playing badass guitar! You smoke, man. Cheers, Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:59:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87FsGE31162; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:54:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:54:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <413DD973.7060104@biink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:53:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <46ZMqB.A.0hH.rldPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre Cholmondeley wrote: >Indeed...it is almost all vocals. A touch of electro-beats and a little > > Hey Andre, I think all those beats are from the human voice too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:29:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87GPsU02077; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <29057725.1094572094482.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <29057725.1094572094482.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:15:26 -0700 To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1117548176==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <7zpLyC.A.mf.xDePBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1117548176==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:48 AM -0400 9/7/04, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out >Stockhausen's "Stimmung." I was lucky enough to hear this performed by Stockhausen's group at MIT (circa 1969 or '70?), with Karlheinz at the console. The performance was in Kresge Auditorium, a dome-shaped building. Each of the six singers had an individual mic routed to a separate loudspeaker; the speakers were placed equidistant around the perimeter of the auditorium. I spoke to one of the tenors at the reception afterwards; he showed me his performance score. The piece is constructed in a modular form, with each of 66 musical moments written on a separate index card. During the preparatory and rehearsal period these cards would be shuffled and dealt out to the performers, so the overall form of the piece would be indeterminate. For the tour version a fixed ordering of the cards was selected and the cards were stuck onto the pages of the six performance booklets (presumably Stockhausen had a master score version). For those who haven't heard the piece (the title Stimmung means "tuning") the vocal technique includes a great deal of reinforced vocal harmonics and the text is made up of 11 magic names. Here's a nice Web page: http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco2/Rec/Stockhausen/12.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1117548176==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bj
At 11:48 AM -0400 9/7/04, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out Stockhausen's "Stimmung."

I was lucky enough to hear this performed by Stockhausen's group at MIT (circa 1969 or '70?), with Karlheinz at the console. The performance was in Kresge Auditorium, a dome-shaped building. Each of the six singers had an individual mic routed to a separate loudspeaker; the speakers were placed equidistant around the perimeter of the auditorium.

I spoke to one of the tenors at the reception afterwards; he showed me his performance score. The piece is constructed in a modular form, with each of 66 musical moments written on a separate index card. During the preparatory and rehearsal period these cards would be shuffled and dealt out to the performers, so the overall form of the piece would be indeterminate. For the tour version a fixed ordering of the cards was selected and the cards were stuck onto the pages of the six performance booklets (presumably Stockhausen had a master score version).

For those who haven't heard the piece (the title Stimmung means "tuning") the vocal technique includes a great deal of reinforced vocal harmonics and the text is made up of 11 magic names. Here's a nice Web page:

http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco2/Rec/Stockhausen/12.html
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--============_-1117548176==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87GOlK01943; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040907162331.55163.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200409071558.i87FwGL31650@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To bring this back to the world of Looping, I use my Repeater all the time in my live keyboard improvisations. Though most people (even on this list) would be hard pressed to hear the looping that is going on. Sometimes it's just me playing the same thing over and over (not using the Repeater), other times the loop is so long that the sense of loop is lost. I find the Repeater to be an incredibly useful tool in the production of my music. I don't consider myself a Looper because I don't rely on specific tools to make my music. I'm just as happy with an acoustic piano (as long as it is fine quality... :) In other news, I saw Bjork's film "Dancing in the Dark" by Lars Von Trier last weekend (at home on my DVD player). The handheld camera work made me seasick (or perhaps more like carsick) after 30 minutes. It was kinda hilarious. I had to stand up and move to the back of the room or go lie down on the couch for the duration, I just couldn't keep up with the choppy movement. Very good film and I especially enjoyed that Bjork was never made to look terribly pretty in the film. Talk about the experimental style just not doing it for me!!! Stephen >>>In my opinion, when listening to music it's the end result, and not the process that created it, that is most important. I know there are cases when/where the process is the art, but then I would offer this is true ONLY when the process is available to be witnessed as well. David Kirkdorffer<<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:48:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Gj7B04512; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7685495.1094575409288.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:43:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater Re: In Praise of Taking Risks with Artistry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater? I've not heard of it. Educate me, please, as I must someday replace my DOD DFX94 and I can't really grok my Zoom 2100. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 13:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87HaHA10001; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: German 16sec looper Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:35:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c49501$08c09040$a8142252@ponkscap9jl6gb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49509.6A84F840" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2004 17:35:37.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[16070040:01C49501] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49509.6A84F840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit found on Ebay.de at 99 euros http://tinyurl.com/7y9kv ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49509.6A84F840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
found = on Ebay.de at=20 99 euros
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C49509.6A84F840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 13:46:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Hhqs10819; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040907183259.02802110@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:43:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: RE: Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift In-Reply-To: <200409071558.i87FwGK31646@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409071558.i87FwGK31646@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <23T2sD.A.QnC.yMfPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Kris >Hi Kim, LD Group - > >I am not using any other MIDI devices with my two EDP+s. Here is a >detailed look at my settings and connections, plus the results of a >basic test. > >- Two identical model EDP Plus units (purchased new two months ago) >- Both Units connected via a stereo 1/4" cable between the BrotherSync >jacks >- One MIDI cable running from the MIDI OUT of unit A to the MIDI IN of >unit B >- I am controlling unite A via a white Echoplex Digital Pro controller >pedal (also bought new a few months ago) that connects to unit B via a >standard 1/4 inch cable you mean the controller is just connected to unit A surely? >- Both units have Sync set to Out >- Both units have ControlSource set to Controllers > >The slight delay does not occur immediately after recording a phrase, >but appears slightly several repeat phrases later. The drift occurs and >begins to increase gradually. > >I am running a basic test now. I just played and recorded a single >sequence of notes and I'm letting it loop back The time displays on the >two units appear to be in sync as well. 1 minute later, the playback is >starting to exhibit the delay slightly, then it inceases gradually (the >drift) > >...back 5 minutes later...drift still increasing. I stopped the loop, >hitting pause, started again, and the delay is gone. > >Back five minutes later...drift is back. > >I switched the MIDI and foot controller pedal connections between unit A >and B > >5 minutes later...drift is back. Switched out the stereo 1/4 brother >sync cable with a different cable. Started a new loop. > >5 minutes later....massive drift...10 minutes later, more drift. > >Kris oh :-( really sounds like a hardware problem. Kim? In the meantime, if you need a workaround forget the brothersync, and set the slave EDP to Sync=In It's not perfect, you'll hear some timing differences between the 2 machines. ...but they don't drift further apart, ...and it's phase accurrate 90% of the time. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 13:59:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87HuhJ12385; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <006b01c49502$e63f5540$4c9ffe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <001401c49501$08c09040$a8142252@ponkscap9jl6gb> Subject: Re: German 16sec looper Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:48:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C49513.A8893CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C49513.A8893CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI wonder if this really has some value at all... looks somewhat hoaxy, and if it isn=B4t a hoax, it doesn=B4t seem = terribly flexible. Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Hamlin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: German 16sec looper=20 found on Ebay.de at 99 euros http://tinyurl.com/7y9kv ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C49513.A8893CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I wonder if this really has some value = at=20 all...
 
looks somewhat hoaxy, and if it isn=B4t = a hoax, it=20 doesn=B4t seem terribly flexible.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C49513.A8893CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 15:33:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87JUum21694; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Eventide Eclipse 3.0 software update Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:31:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c49511$46329800$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear fellow loopers, just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't already check it out among you know that the new software version 3.0 now offers MIDI clock output. Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 15:50:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Jm5m23822; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <000701c49511$46329800$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <000701c49511$46329800$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CC75852-0106-11D9-BB57-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" From: Jeremy Goody Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse 3.0 software update Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:46:29 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HMM. I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy behringer mixer on top. AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next shelf down. Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the ground. Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling ambitious). sound familiar? BTW: http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear fellow loopers, > > just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't already check it out > among you > know that the new software version 3.0 now offers MIDI clock output. > > Rainer > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > http://www.balanceman.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 17:34:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87LRfU05070; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <105.5019d28a.2e6f8166@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:25:58 EDT Subject: no longer a total midiot To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.5019d28a.2e6f8166_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.5019d28a.2e6f8166_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well i actually did it!.....i used a midi cable to connect my mighty CZ 5000 to my puter, through the usb box that i had questions about last week, questions that no one attempted to answer thank you very much (perhaps they were too simple).....well i'm goin to show all you smartymidipants' what an ol dog can do with a few new tricks.....yikes.....exciting.....i'm seeing all kinds of new options and hearing all kinds of new sounds.....fun fun funnuf nuf nuf.....:).....michael ever so slowly becoming an ex-luddite --part1_105.5019d28a.2e6f8166_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well i actually did=20= it!.....i used a midi cable to connect my mighty CZ 5000 to my puter, throug= h the usb box that i had questions about last week, questions that no one at= tempted to answer thank you very much (perhaps they were too simple).....wel= l i'm goin to show all you smartymidipants' what an ol dog can do with a few= new tricks.....yikes.....exciting.....i'm seeing all kinds of new options a= nd hearing all kinds of new sounds.....fun fun funnuf nuf nuf.....:).....mic= hael ever so slowly becoming an ex-luddite --part1_105.5019d28a.2e6f8166_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 18:54:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Mr2913059; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001101c4952c$7a0a1fc0$82a0fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <001401c49501$08c09040$a8142252@ponkscap9jl6gb> Subject: Re: German 16sec looper Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:04:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C49526.B5B43AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8uPPZD.A.WLD.CvjPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C49526.B5B43AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageApart from that, did I mention that I *love* Babelfish...? ROTFLMOA, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Hamlin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: German 16sec looper=20 found on Ebay.de at 99 euros http://tinyurl.com/7y9kv ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C49526.B5B43AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Apart from that, did I mention that I = *love*=20 Babelfish...?
 
ROTFLMOA,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague.=20 And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian Hamlin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, = 2004 7:35=20 PM
Subject: German 16sec looper =

found on Ebay.de=20 at 99 euros
http://tinyurl.com/7y9kv
------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C49526.B5B43AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 18:56:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Mo9W12487; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:50:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:50:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040907224818.31937.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Miles, Bjork To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200409062311.i86NBoa29257@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How refreshing to hear someone who thinks In a > Silent Way kicks bootay on > Bitches Brew. Bill Laswell's Panthalassa is really amazing in weaving together this track with a lot of other Miles Davis tunes. Also, on the Bjork discussion, I see it both ways. I love her work, and yet, a lot of it is not what I reach for when I want to hear something that's going to move my soul. However, the "all is full of love" track from homogenic is very moving, as well as a Scandinavian folk tune she sings on Hector Zazou's songs from the cold seas. She's done some beautiful work over the years. I actually can't wait to hear this new record because I want to hear what she's doing with an all-vocal album. Sometimes I enjoy what she does with her voice more than her brilliant electronic wizardry. And I do respect that wizardry. Mary Jane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 19:00:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87MvRh13779; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:56:24 -0600 Message-Id: <200409072256.i87MuOh07801@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Miles X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.28.199 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way. Different tunes for different moods. For the first few years I had Bitches Brew I couldn't listen to the first side without falling asleep and having the most messed up dreams. The side would end and I'd wake up. It was a very cool trick. I made sure I never had that tape in the car though. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 19:04:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87N1WY14537; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c4952d$2d41a400$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <105.5019d28a.2e6f8166@aol.com> Subject: Re: no longer a total midiot Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:51:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C49503.3F7BE060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C49503.3F7BE060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think everyone's become too busy either kicking or kissing Bjork's = ass, or posting gig spam, to actually help anyone out on this list. Sorry I missed your questions, or I would have taken a shot at = answering. Sounds like you've got it figured out tho! =20 Loop on! Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: no longer a total midiot well i actually did it!.....i used a midi cable to connect my mighty = CZ 5000 to my puter, through the usb box that i had questions about last = week, questions that no one attempted to answer thank you very much = (perhaps they were too simple).....well i'm goin to show all you = smartymidipants' what an ol dog can do with a few new = tricks.....yikes.....exciting.....i'm seeing all kinds of new options = and hearing all kinds of new sounds.....fun fun funnuf nuf = nuf.....:).....michael ever so slowly becoming an ex-luddite ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C49503.3F7BE060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think everyone's become too busy = either kicking=20 or kissing Bjork's ass, or posting gig spam, to actually help anyone out = on this=20 list.
 
Sorry I missed your questions, or I = would have=20 taken a shot at answering.  Sounds like you've got it figured out=20 tho! 
 
Loop on!
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, = 2004 4:25=20 PM
Subject: no longer a total = midiot

well i actually did it!.....i used a midi = cable to=20 connect my mighty CZ 5000 to my puter, through the usb box that i had=20 questions about last week, questions that no one attempted to answer = thank you=20 very much (perhaps they were too simple).....well i'm goin to show all = you=20 smartymidipants' what an ol dog can do with a few new=20 tricks.....yikes.....exciting.....i'm seeing all kinds of new options = and=20 hearing all kinds of new sounds.....fun fun funnuf nuf = nuf.....:).....michael=20 ever so slowly becoming an ex-luddite ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C49503.3F7BE060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 20:05:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87NwTg20442; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c49537$1b659ac0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040907224818.31937.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Bjork - Hector Zazou Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:02:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.255.150] at Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:57:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to double underline the beauty of Bjork's song on the Hector Zazou disc Songs of the Sea. It's a great piece of music and it's pure beauty helped me at a time when I needed help. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Jane Adams" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Miles, Bjork > > > How refreshing to hear someone who thinks In a > > Silent Way kicks bootay on > > Bitches Brew. > > Bill Laswell's Panthalassa is really amazing in > weaving together this track with a lot of other > Miles Davis tunes. > > Also, on the Bjork discussion, I see it both > ways. I love her work, and yet, a lot of it is > not what I reach for when I want to hear > something that's going to move my soul. However, > the "all is full of love" track from homogenic is > very moving, as well as a Scandinavian folk tune > she sings on Hector Zazou's songs from the cold > seas. She's done some beautiful work over the > years. I actually can't wait to hear this new > record because I want to hear what she's doing > with an all-vocal album. Sometimes I enjoy what > she does with her voice more than her brilliant > electronic wizardry. And I do respect that > wizardry. > > Mary Jane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 20:46:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i880cZc23841; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c4953c$a2632740$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <200409072256.i87MuOh07801@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Miles Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From what I've heard, there is some degree of looping on both these albums...they recorded the improvisations, then repeated certain sections in post-production. IIRC, both occurences of "In a Silent Way" (before and after "It's About That Time") are actually the same recording. Sounds to me like the beginning of "Pharoah's Dance" on "Bitches Brew" is looped, too. It works. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 20:52:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i880nCZ24984; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:49:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:49:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c4953e$89fa26c0$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <200409072256.i87MuOh07801@minds-eye.org> <007001c4953c$a2632740$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Miles Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:55:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard some of the musicians themselves were looped. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Miles > From what I've heard, there is some degree of looping on both these > albums...they recorded the improvisations, then repeated certain sections in > post-production. IIRC, both occurences of "In a Silent Way" (before and after > "It's About That Time") are actually the same recording. Sounds to me like the > beginning of "Pharoah's Dance" on "Bitches Brew" is looped, too. It works. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 20:52:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i880ooG25492; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c4953e$d649faa0$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <200409072256.i87MuOh07801@minds-eye.org> <007001c4953c$a2632740$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Miles Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:57:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seriously, is there anyone in the jazz genre who was as prolific and as influential as Miles? I like a lot of folks but Miles rules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Miles > From what I've heard, there is some degree of looping on both these > albums...they recorded the improvisations, then repeated certain sections in > post-production. IIRC, both occurences of "In a Silent Way" (before and after > "It's About That Time") are actually the same recording. Sounds to me like the > beginning of "Pharoah's Dance" on "Bitches Brew" is looped, too. It works. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 21:24:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i881Nhb28231; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Miles Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:22:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c49542$3dd22960$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <007001c4953c$a2632740$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This link is an interview with Teo Macero, who produced Bitches Brew and other Miles' records. The interview was for 'Modulations', and interesting flick about the genesis and evolvement of electronic music. http://www.furious.com/perfect/teomacero.html enjoy. Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miles >From what I've heard, there is some degree of looping on both these albums...they recorded the improvisations, then repeated certain sections in post-production. IIRC, both occurences of "In a Silent Way" (before and after "It's About That Time") are actually the same recording. Sounds to me like the beginning of "Pharoah's Dance" on "Bitches Brew" is looped, too. It works. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ __________ NOD32 1.787 (20040612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 22:02:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8820rw32402; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c49548$0f2b5ae0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040907224818.31937.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c49537$1b659ac0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: OT - Compact Flash - recommendations? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:03:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.255.150] at Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:59:10 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <1SBqBB.A.94H.wdmPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to buy some Compact Flash cards - I know folks here will have some experience with different brands and sizes and reliability. Does anyone have any recommendations or warnings? David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 22:09:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8826v300574; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d04090719062fc1a4fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:06:20 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Compact Flash - recommendations? In-Reply-To: <002201c49548$0f2b5ae0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040907224818.31937.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c49537$1b659ac0$0affff0a@hppav> <002201c49548$0f2b5ae0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depends on the application--if they are for the repeater you definitely need a card with the hitachi controller. www.pretec.com is the best source. On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:03:37 -0400, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I'd like to buy some Compact Flash cards - I know folks here will have some > experience with different brands and sizes and reliability. > > Does anyone have any recommendations or warnings? > > David Kirkdorffer > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 22:40:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i882bmx04357; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:37:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:38:05 -0400 Subject: Final Bjork post From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3JKEW.A.eDB.nBnPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey tim!! thanks... How is Frank..?? Please email his address to me OFF LIST... I will check out the STOCKHAUSEN.. I love him! But ..wait-- are we talking about looping..... And thanks Dave --are ALL the beats electro?? Ya cant tell these days..these kid's i'll tell ya! I think in a review it was claimed some were computer. Either way --- there's a dude I saw open for SQUAREPUSHER -- he was doing INSANE electronic music ..all with his mouth -- I mean like simulated PHASING..Stuttering...all kinds of drum + synth tones... Anyone know who this was ..? "human orchestra" or 'human beatbox'. >>If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out Stockhausen's "Stimmung." This'll do it for ya. Not as spine-tingling as the Ligetti choral stuff on "2001: A Space Odyssey," but a worthwhile listen. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 00:23:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i884FIM15205; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: Subject: Re: Final Bjork post Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:14:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4951F.ABC29F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 04:14:26.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[5462E8A0:01C4955A] Resent-Message-ID: <0WoI_D.A.usD.pcoPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4951F.ABC29F40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C4951F.ABC51040" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C4951F.ABC51040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >--- there's a dude I saw open for SQUAREPUSHER -- he was doing >INSANE electronic music ..all with his mouth -- I mean like simulated >PHASING..Stuttering...all kinds of drum + synth tones... Anyone know = who >this was ..? "human orchestra" or 'human beatbox'. Sounds like that might be John Whooley (formerly of Estradasphere). Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andre Cholmondeley=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Final Bjork post Hey tim!! thanks... How is Frank..?? Please email his address to me = OFF LIST... I will check out the STOCKHAUSEN.. I love him! But ..wait-- = are we talking about looping..... And thanks Dave --are ALL the beats electro?? Ya cant tell these = days..these kid's i'll tell ya! I think in a review it was claimed some were = computer. Either way --- there's a dude I saw open for SQUAREPUSHER -- he was = doing INSANE electronic music ..all with his mouth -- I mean like simulated PHASING..Stuttering...all kinds of drum + synth tones... Anyone know = who this was ..? "human orchestra" or 'human beatbox'. >>If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out = Stockhausen's "Stimmung." This'll do it for ya. Not as spine-tingling as the = Ligetti choral stuff on "2001: A Space Odyssey," but a worthwhile listen. ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C4951F.ABC51040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>--- there's a dude I saw open for SQUAREPUSHER -- he was=20 doing
>INSANE electronic music ..all with his mouth -- I mean like = simulated
>PHASING..Stuttering...all kinds of drum + synth = tones... Anyone=20 know who
>this was ..? "human orchestra" or 'human = beatbox'.
Sounds like that might be John Whooley (formerly of = Estradasphere).
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Andre Cholmondeley =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, = 2004 7:38=20 PM
Subject: Final Bjork post


Hey tim!! thanks... How is Frank..?? Please email = his=20 address to me OFF
LIST... I will check out the STOCKHAUSEN.. I love = him!=20 But ..wait-- are we
talking about looping.....

And thanks = Dave --are=20 ALL the beats electro?? Ya cant tell these days..these
kid's i'll = tell ya!=20 I think in a review it was claimed some were computer.
Either way = ---=20 there's a dude I saw open for SQUAREPUSHER -- he was doing
INSANE=20 electronic music ..all with his mouth -- I mean like=20 simulated
PHASING..Stuttering...all kinds of drum + synth tones... = Anyone=20 know who
this was ..? "human orchestra" or 'human=20 beatbox'.


>>If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a = capella,=20 check out Stockhausen's
"Stimmung."  This'll do it for ya. Not = as=20 spine-tingling as the Ligetti
choral stuff on "2001: A Space = Odyssey," but=20 a worthwhile listen.

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6O4F2.A.oZ.ZJsPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High; The new cd by bassist Jair-Rohm Parker Wells, "Exquisite Noise" is now up and available on cdBaby. If you are interested in drones, noise and textual (rather than harmonic) organisation, check it out here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw . Thanks -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Drone masterpieces and Loopadelica at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 07:47:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88BiN119082; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040908114235.72822.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 04:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: syncing MPC1000+EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9CC75852-0106-11D9-BB57-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geremy i have the EDP synced to my new MPC1000,although trying to sync loops with my EDP is sometimes not very intuitive,specially when the loops don´t exactly match the EDPs nummeric tempos.Drum programs work much better where i can do multiplys, slow the grooves etc. any links to new cool drum programs for the MPC1000 would be appreciated! Cheers Luis --- Jeremy Goody wrote: > HMM. > I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: > > Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy > behringer mixer on > top. > AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next shelf > down. > Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the > ground. > Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling > ambitious). > > sound familiar? > > BTW: > http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman > > check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! > On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius > Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > Dear fellow loopers, > > > > just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't > already check it out > > among you > > know that the new software version 3.0 now offers > MIDI clock output. > > > > Rainer > > > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > > > > http://www.balanceman.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 09:14:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88DCUW00916; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:12:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:12:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <200409062311.i86NBos29255@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <521D0193-0198-11D9-AC4C-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Bought some listmembers CD's :-) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:09:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i88DAua00514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Spent some paypal money at CD Baby and found, among other things, two nice CDs from members of this list: 1 of: KRISPEN HARTUNG: places 1 of: STEVE LAWSON: grace and gratitude It was cool to listen to Krispens guitar looping after reading here on the list about the set-up used for the recording. And I must say that Steve Lawson's record was nice! Much better (according to my taste) than I had been thinking from downloading clips at his site, although I wanted to buy it anyway :-) Here's a quick question for Steve, if you're reading this mail: The lfo filter heard on most tracks, is that the MPX-G2? I was also looking for records by Tom Heasley but couldn't find any at CD Baby. And this week I heard about Jair-Rohm's new release. Too bad my money ran out so quickely! I'll get back on that by the next royalty period (as well as donating a little more to the list). In the past I have also acquired excellent CD's from Francois Lebrun, Matthias Grob, Rick Walker, Andreas Willers, Ted Killian and Andre Lafosse. I'm finding this type of indie releases way more exciting than most major record label releases! But that's not going to stop me from buying Björk's album as soon as I can put money aside ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88FHPm26894; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C495B6.C38855EE" Subject: RE: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C13710B@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Thread-Index: AcSU94Jj4dbvYD1sTImUDvFhTh160AAvW6bg From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 15:16:06.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[C321DF60:01C495B6] Resent-Message-ID: <01PgfB.A.2hG.FJyPBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C495B6.C38855EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damn...you seen the man himself perform?! That would be incredible. Part = of why I am glad I am performing and going to the Santa Cruz gig is, the = opportunity to meet the Stockhausens of today!!! To see what others are = doing in the non mainstream is very exciting. This is a great chance to = see authentic artist who haven't lost sight of the art. This is part of = the reason I like working in circuit bending as the instruments randomly = create a loop as if it is composing. I merely am the conductor as I = trigger the circuit. This makes for some very unique performance = moments. One is forced to improvise in the moment...Or make sense of the = random looping by introducing additional looping that guides the final = composition. It allows myself to be a active listener. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:15 AM To: mungenast@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's = new cd MEDULLA... and looping? At 11:48 AM -0400 9/7/04, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out Stockhausen's = "Stimmung."=20 I was lucky enough to hear this performed by Stockhausen's group at MIT = (circa 1969 or '70?), with Karlheinz at the console. The performance was = in Kresge Auditorium, a dome-shaped building. Each of the six singers = had an individual mic routed to a separate loudspeaker; the speakers = were placed equidistant around the perimeter of the auditorium. I spoke to one of the tenors at the reception afterwards; he showed me = his performance score. The piece is constructed in a modular form, with = each of 66 musical moments written on a separate index card. During the = preparatory and rehearsal period these cards would be shuffled and dealt = out to the performers, so the overall form of the piece would be = indeterminate. For the tour version a fixed ordering of the cards was = selected and the cards were stuck onto the pages of the six performance = booklets (presumably Stockhausen had a master score version). For those who haven't heard the piece (the title Stimmung means = "tuning") the vocal technique includes a great deal of reinforced vocal = harmonics and the text is made up of 11 magic names. Here's a nice Web = page: http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco2/Rec/Stockhausen/12.html --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C495B6.C38855EE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bj
Damn...you seen the man himself perform?! = That would be=20 incredible. Part of why I am glad I am performing and going to the Santa = Cruz=20 gig is, the opportunity to meet the Stockhausens of today!!! To see what = others=20 are doing in the non mainstream is very exciting. This is a great chance = to see=20 authentic artist who haven't lost sight of the art. This is part of the = reason I=20 like working in circuit bending as the instruments randomly create a = loop as if=20 it is composing. I merely am the conductor as I trigger the circuit. = This makes=20 for some very unique performance moments. One is forced to improvise in = the=20 moment...Or make sense of the random looping by introducing additional = looping=20 that guides the final  composition. It allows myself to be a=20 active listener.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Zvonar=20 [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 = 11:15=20 AM
To: mungenast@earthlink.net;=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = Stockhausen's=20 "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and=20 looping?

At 11:48 AM -0400 9/7/04, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

If you like "otherworldly" vocals, = a=20 capella, check out Stockhausen's "Stimmung."

I was lucky enough to hear this performed by Stockhausen's group = at MIT=20 (circa 1969 or '70?), with Karlheinz at the console. The performance = was in=20 Kresge Auditorium, a dome-shaped building. Each of the six singers had = an=20 individual mic routed to a separate loudspeaker; the speakers were = placed=20 equidistant around the perimeter of the auditorium.

I spoke to one of the tenors at the reception afterwards; he = showed me=20 his performance score. The piece is constructed in a modular form, = with each=20 of 66 musical moments written on a separate index card. During the = preparatory=20 and rehearsal period these cards would be shuffled and dealt out to = the=20 performers, so the overall form of the piece would be indeterminate. = For the=20 tour version a fixed ordering of the cards was selected and the cards = were=20 stuck onto the pages of the six performance booklets (presumably = Stockhausen=20 had a master score version).

For those who haven't heard the piece (the title Stimmung = means=20 "tuning") the vocal technique includes a great deal of reinforced = vocal=20 harmonics and the text is made up of 11 magic names. Here's a nice Web = page:

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http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco2/Rec/Stockhausen/12.html
--=20
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______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD       =
(818)=20 788-2202 =20        =20        =20        =20        =20 =
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C495B6.C38855EE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:22:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88FJOf27255; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:19:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:19:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <26560191.1094656733873.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:18:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gerace-ic Park Re: Final Bjork post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey tim!! thanks... How is Frank..?? (doing well, working hard on new stuff...i'll let HIM tell you ;-) Please email his address to me OFF LIST... (off-list! consider it done, o shredmaster. ) I will check out the STOCKHAUSEN.. I love him! But ..wait-- are we talking about looping..... (non-looping topics related to overall creativity are allowed, so i'm told (LOL). as for me, I'm working on my first looping/avant garde disc concurrent with work on my 3rd psych-pop disc. and you? ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:36:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88FWGi30692; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C13710B@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C13710B@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:29:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1117465071==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1117465071==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:16 AM -0500 9/8/04, Sauvageau Leo wrote: >Damn...you seen the man himself perform?! That would be incredible. KH was just tweaking levels, so it was more the "idea" of him performing that was exciting. I saw him again in Los Angeles during the 1980s. Suzanne Stephens was playing "Der kleine Harlekin" and Stockhausen "performed" on follow spot. It was very silly and vaudevillian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1117465071==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bj
At 10:16 AM -0500 9/8/04, Sauvageau Leo wrote:
Damn...you seen the man himself perform?! That would be incredible.

KH was just tweaking levels, so it was more the "idea" of him performing that was exciting. I saw him again in Los Angeles during the 1980s. Suzanne Stephens was playing "Der kleine Harlekin" and Stockhausen "performed" on follow spot. It was very silly and vaudevillian.
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--============_-1117465071==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:36:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88FTKV29975; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: links to new cool drum programs for the MPC1000 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:28:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040908114235.72822.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcSVmXinbyfPvY6KTlyvyKkWkmRblwAHgp9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040908152810.RDMP4909.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try this MPC site, Luis. http://www.mpc-samples.com/section.php/16/0 Also, FREE MPC1000 KITS FOR DOWNLOAD at http://www.akaipro.com/int/mpc1k/arc_kotw.html Have fun! Tom -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: syncing MPC1000+EDP Geremy i have the EDP synced to my new MPC1000,although trying to sync loops with my EDP is sometimes not very intuitive,specially when the loops don4t exactly match the EDPs nummeric tempos.Drum programs work much better where i can do multiplys, slow the grooves etc. any links to new cool drum programs for the MPC1000 would be appreciated! Cheers Luis --- Jeremy Goody wrote: > HMM. > I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: > > Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy behringer mixer on > top. > AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next shelf down. > Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the ground. > Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling ambitious). > > sound familiar? > > BTW: > http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman > > check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! > On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > Dear fellow loopers, > > > > just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't > already check it out > > among you > > know that the new software version 3.0 now offers > MIDI clock output. > > > > Rainer > > > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - > > www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - > > www.eblah.de > > > > > http://www.balanceman.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:47:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88FXmx31109; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29080460.1094657613252.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:33:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bj
"This is part of the reason I like working in circuit bending as the instruments randomly create a loop as if it is composing. I merely am the conductor as I trigger the circuit. This makes for some very unique performance moments. One is forced to improvise in the moment...Or make sense of the random looping by introducing additional looping that guides the final  composition. It allows myself to be a active listener."

 

(sounds intriguing! tell me more....the closest i get to randomizing is my extinct Peftronics RandOmatic chorus, which can create a totally random washmachine-from-hell oscillation that accompanies me as i play.)



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 12:38:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88GZt312658; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9933832.1094661273635.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:34:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bought some listmembers CD's :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre Lafosse? He's great, like my hero Buckethead only more coherent :-) Andre's 1999 CD "Disruption Theory" is inspirational. I've been spinning it silly for 4 years now. Makes me want to practice more. (We share a tendency to solo in these oddly-placed clusters of five, although in matters of technique, I am not worthy to change his guitar strings.) When I bought "Disruption" from cdbaby.com, Andre was very gracious and free with his gear secrets. Some time down the road, I tried to reach him again, on and off for a couple of years now, but that boy just don't answer his e-mail no mo'. BTW, David Torn's "Tripping Over God"is stunning, as are his droll instructional videos. I saw him with B.L.U.E. at the now-defunct Harvard Square House of Blues and he delivered, along with bandmates Bruford, Levin, and Botti. David used a saltshaker mike to get a feedback loop going, played electric oud, and just generally "kicked it," although I remember it being a tad more restrained than his fuzz-drenched solos on "Tripping Over God." He was probably trying to be a team player...bonus points for that. One more great axeman who sometimes employs loops is Tommy Osuna. Keep an eye out for that boy. One listen and you can tell he's seen "it"...the indefinable "it"... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 13:41:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88HasV23741; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040908173544.19303.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: PC boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200409081536.i88FaRh32055@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <88Nd_D.A.LwF.2L0PBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last month someone posted a link to an Internet site where you could design your own printed circuit boards and have them shipped to you. Can anyone steer me back to that site? Thanks, Stephen _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 13:59:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88HpYR25871; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040908114235.72822.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040908114235.72822.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <876E2EF6-01BF-11D9-BB57-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> From: "J. Goody" Subject: Re: syncing MPC1000+EDP Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:50:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i88HoCa25738 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ummm: I have been loading the MPC w/ custom samples from a library built up over the last few years. All the samples get put in programs and anything I want looping gets put into a sequence w/ the appropriate tempo. MIDI from MPC to EDP w/ switch quantize on the EDP turned to 8th notes. aside from the occasional glitch (software freakiness w/ loop IV?) everything syncs fine. > EDPs nummeric tempos Umm you should have the SYnc switched to IN, so the EDP's internal tempo is bypassed and it receives MIDI clock. as far as drum sounds: it uses .wav files - there are A LOT of sounds out there. I just made a new drum kit from hitting the side of the MPC w/ my hand and micing it. Somthing about that plastic slapping sounds real good! good luck. JG On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:42 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > Geremy i have the EDP synced to my new > MPC1000,although trying to sync loops with my EDP is > sometimes not very intuitive,specially when the loops > don´t exactly match the EDPs nummeric tempos.Drum > programs work much better where i can do multiplys, > slow the grooves etc. > any links to new cool drum programs for the MPC1000 > would be appreciated! > Cheers > Luis > > > > > --- Jeremy Goody wrote: > >> HMM. >> I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: >> >> Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy >> behringer mixer on >> top. >> AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next shelf >> down. >> Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the >> ground. >> Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling >> ambitious). >> >> sound familiar? >> >> BTW: >> http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman >> >> check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! >> On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius >> Balthasar Straschill >> wrote: >> >>> Dear fellow loopers, >>> >>> just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't >> already check it out >>> among you >>> know that the new software version 3.0 now offers >> MIDI clock output. >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill >>> Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >>> The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de >>> digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >>> Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de >>> >>> >> http://www.balanceman.com >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > http://www.balanceman.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 14:03:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88Htul26369; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,143,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="277489188:sNHT13092868" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040908173544.19303.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040908173544.19303.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <39022012-01C0-11D9-9A20-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: PC boards Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:55:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.pad2pad.com/ On Sep 8, 2004, at 10:35 AM, S V G wrote: > > Last month someone posted a link to an Internet site where you > could design your own printed > circuit boards and have them shipped to you. Can anyone steer me back > to that site? > > Thanks, > > Stephen > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 14:12:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88I82x27706; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:08:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:08:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival 2004 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:06:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20040906023020.YDIT4228.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Thread-Index: AcSTcU3aBvENm2ZjTui3WwWLRlJeLQARrh/wAIVreEA= Message-Id: <20040908180632.HGKR8658.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went last year, and it was very cool and well attended. It was great to see Arcosanti (for the first time) and Paolo Soleri was in attendance-- Here is the link for this year . . . No new info yet, tho . . . http://www.differentskies.org/ Tom Rex wrote: "However, I just realized that it is the same weekend as the Y2K4 event. That really looks great, and the website has, for me, a real Russian feel in the picture and the lettering!" So lots of 21st Century music that weekend! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 14:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88ITXu29917; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:29:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:29:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:22:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: questions to EDP Loop IV Sysex specialists Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This are some questions for EDP Loop IV Sysex specialists (EDP manual p. >11-3 ff) gee, you made me look at that dusty code again... > >1. How do I calculate the memory size with these 3 bytes? > When I send a INFO_REQUEST, I get: > f0 00 01 30 0b 00 01 01 01 3f 6e 07 f7 > The bytes 3f 6e 07 are supposed to represent the memory size. > (((3f * 100) + 6e) * 100)+ 07 = 44295) > Shouldn't this be approx. 16 MB (16777216) ? it puts out a number of blocks of 64 samples and according to the rest of MIDI, they are 7 bit Hex values >2. LOCAL_PARAM_REQUEST > When I send a LOCAL_PARAM_REQUEST for the currently selected preset > (encoded as 7F, see manual p.11-9) the EDP reboots for certain > combinations of 'from' and 'length', e.g.: > F0 00 01 30 0B 7F 01 12 01 02 7F F7 > 00 02 > 00 03 > 06 01 > Anyone else encountered this? no, and I am not set up to test it... as it looks, any preset number bigger than 16 is set to 0 which is the actual, so you should be ok with 7F. maybe you should not set from=0 since it does not exist as you note below? maybe device ID should not be 7F? Seems we had some trouble with some sampler so I usually tested with 0... else it looks ok what you do, no idea... so with other combinations of from and length it works? >3. LOCAL_PARAM_REQUEST Index 0 > Manual p. 11-5 lists the indexes for local parameters starting with 1 > What is stored in parameter 0 then? nothing probably, dont remember why we did not want to numerate from 0 >4. Claude Voit's http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/EDP_ADA.zip > I tried this with the demo version of SoundDiver 3.0 but it doesn't > seem to recognize the file. Anyone managed to use it? What version of > SoundDiver? I used it on the mac with V2.1 and it was fine... Claude? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 15:06:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i88Ixnm00547; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.180.34] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adrenalinn help OT Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:48:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 18:48:56.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ECA5090:01C495D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



 

Hi all
 
I got the PC adrenalinn editing suit 2.0 from the yahoo site to try and edit my preset quickly.

 

i want to use it to edit the presets on my adrenalinn (its a 1 upgraded to a 2) I have been trying to conect it to my computer via a cable that plugs into my joystick port at one end and has a midi in and out cable at the other, im using windows XP could anyone tell me why its not working?

all im getting is a messege that says  "no all date yet" or "timed out timer killed" could you tell me things like how to set the joystick port to make sure its working, what condition the adrenalinn has to be in (any special commands on it?) and anything else I might have missed.

thanks
Phill Wilson

What type of MSN user are you? Take our quick quiz and find out! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 23:54:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i893pZ711695; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c49620$815d1ee0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <200409062311.i86NBos29255@hemlock.violacea.com> <521D0193-0198-11D9-AC4C-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Bought some listmembers CD's :-) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:53:02 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, 08 September, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: Bought some listmembers CD's :-) > I was also looking for records by Tom Heasley but couldn't find any at > CD Baby. And this week I heard about Jair-Rohm's new release. Too bad > my money ran out so quickely! I'll get back on that by the next royalty > period (as well as donating a little more to the list). You can find Tom's On the Sensations of Tone and Where the Earth Meets the Sky Cds for sale if you browse at Hypnos: http://www.hypnos.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 00:16:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i894DF316776; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.213.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Im so sorry Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 04:11:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 04:11:35.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[18A84840:01C49623] Resent-Message-ID: <-H5_2C.A.xDE.6g9PBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi all

I just wanted to say how sorry I am if you have all just recieved a MASSSIVE email with pics for an art submission.

Its nearly five in the morning here and i have just finished work, I typed this all out as my last thing to do for the night, needless to say some how  the LD list address got poasted instead of the art shops aplication address.

i know how precious our bandwidth is and Id hate to offend anyone with either the size or content of my mis-led post

once again SORRY

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 02:46:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i896hc208832; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 02:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 02:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040908234212.06bb8048@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:43:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Im so sorry In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:11 PM 9/8/2004, lol c wrote: >I just wanted to say how sorry I am if you have all just recieved a >MASSSIVE email with pics for an art submission. don't worry about it. the list server blocks large posts so it didn't go through to anybody. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 03:44:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i897bcH16989; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040909073535.32831.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: syncing MPC1000+EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <876E2EF6-01BF-11D9-BB57-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4v3YwC.A.RGE.PfAQBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh i see, you are slaving the EDP where ive always used it as my master, gotta try that although i was never too happy with ths results... ill get back to you and tell u how it went! Cheers Luis --- "J. Goody" wrote: > ummm: > I have been loading the MPC w/ custom samples from a > library built up > over the last few years. All the samples get put in > programs and > anything I want looping gets put into a sequence w/ > the appropriate > tempo. MIDI from MPC to EDP w/ switch quantize on > the EDP turned to 8th > notes. > aside from the occasional glitch (software > freakiness w/ loop IV?) > everything syncs fine. > > > EDPs nummeric tempos > > Umm you should have the SYnc switched to IN, so the > EDP's internal > tempo is bypassed and it receives MIDI clock. > > as far as drum sounds: > it uses .wav files - there are A LOT of sounds out > there. I just made a > new drum kit from hitting the side of the MPC w/ my > hand and micing it. > Somthing about that plastic slapping sounds real > good! > good luck. > JG > On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:42 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Geremy i have the EDP synced to my new > > MPC1000,although trying to sync loops with my EDP > is > > sometimes not very intuitive,specially when the > loops > > don´t exactly match the EDPs nummeric tempos.Drum > > programs work much better where i can do > multiplys, > > slow the grooves etc. > > any links to new cool drum programs for the > MPC1000 > > would be appreciated! > > Cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- Jeremy Goody wrote: > > > >> HMM. > >> I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: > >> > >> Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy > >> behringer mixer on > >> top. > >> AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next > shelf > >> down. > >> Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the > >> ground. > >> Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling > >> ambitious). > >> > >> sound familiar? > >> > >> BTW: > >> http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman > >> > >> check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! > >> On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius > >> Balthasar Straschill > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear fellow loopers, > >>> > >>> just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't > >> already check it out > >>> among you > >>> know that the new software version 3.0 now > offers > >> MIDI clock output. > >>> > >>> Rainer > >>> > >>> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > >>> Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > >>> The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > >>> digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > >>> Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > >>> > >>> > >> http://www.balanceman.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > http://www.balanceman.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 03:50:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i897lqD18817; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040909074639.35240.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: links to new cool drum programs for the MPC1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040908152810.RDMP4909.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got´em thanx Tom! Luis --- Tom Rex wrote: > Try this MPC site, Luis. > > http://www.mpc-samples.com/section.php/16/0 > > Also, FREE MPC1000 KITS FOR DOWNLOAD at > > http://www.akaipro.com/int/mpc1k/arc_kotw.html > > Have fun! > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: syncing MPC1000+EDP > > Geremy i have the EDP synced to my new > MPC1000,although trying to sync loops with my EDP is > sometimes not very > intuitive,specially when the loops don4t exactly > match the EDPs nummeric > tempos.Drum programs work much better where i can do > multiplys, slow the > grooves etc. > any links to new cool drum programs for the MPC1000 > would be appreciated! > Cheers > Luis > > > > > --- Jeremy Goody wrote: > > > HMM. > > I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: > > > > Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy > behringer mixer on > > top. > > AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next shelf > down. > > Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the > ground. > > Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling > ambitious). > > > > sound familiar? > > > > BTW: > > http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman > > > > check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! > > On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius > Balthasar Straschill > > wrote: > > > > > Dear fellow loopers, > > > > > > just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't > > already check it out > > > among you > > > know that the new software version 3.0 now > offers > > MIDI clock output. > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs > GFX and Soundworks - > > > www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - > www.straschill.de > > > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - > > > www.eblah.de > > > > > > > > http://www.balanceman.com > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 03:55:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i897qai19663; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040909073535.32831.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040909073535.32831.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <22D1FAA7-0235-11D9-8CDB-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> From: "J. Goody" Subject: Re: syncing MPC1000+EDP Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:52:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i897q5a19553 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I realized after that posting - the EDP wants to see at least a bar of incoming timecode before it interpolates the bar length. . . On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:35 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > oh i see, you are slaving the EDP where ive always > used it as my master, gotta try that although i was > never too happy with ths results... > ill get back to you and tell u how it went! > Cheers > Luis > > > > > --- "J. Goody" wrote: > >> ummm: >> I have been loading the MPC w/ custom samples from a >> library built up >> over the last few years. All the samples get put in >> programs and >> anything I want looping gets put into a sequence w/ >> the appropriate >> tempo. MIDI from MPC to EDP w/ switch quantize on >> the EDP turned to 8th >> notes. >> aside from the occasional glitch (software >> freakiness w/ loop IV?) >> everything syncs fine. >> >>> EDPs nummeric tempos >> >> Umm you should have the SYnc switched to IN, so the >> EDP's internal >> tempo is bypassed and it receives MIDI clock. >> >> as far as drum sounds: >> it uses .wav files - there are A LOT of sounds out >> there. I just made a >> new drum kit from hitting the side of the MPC w/ my >> hand and micing it. >> Somthing about that plastic slapping sounds real >> good! >> good luck. >> JG >> On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:42 AM, L. Angulo wrote: >> >>> Geremy i have the EDP synced to my new >>> MPC1000,although trying to sync loops with my EDP >> is >>> sometimes not very intuitive,specially when the >> loops >>> don´t exactly match the EDPs nummeric tempos.Drum >>> programs work much better where i can do >> multiplys, >>> slow the grooves etc. >>> any links to new cool drum programs for the >> MPC1000 >>> would be appreciated! >>> Cheers >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Jeremy Goody wrote: >>> >>>> HMM. >>>> I wonder how many of us have very similar setups: >>>> >>>> Eventide eclipse + EDP pro+ in a rack w/ a crappy >>>> behringer mixer on >>>> top. >>>> AKAI MPC 1000 and a cheapo Casio on the next >> shelf >>>> down. >>>> Moogerfooger MURF and control for the EDP on the >>>> ground. >>>> Microphone and a bass guitar (when I'm feeling >>>> ambitious). >>>> >>>> sound familiar? >>>> >>>> BTW: >>>> http://www.cdbaby.com/balanceman >>>> >>>> check out my new CD - Oakland represent (yo)! >>>> On Sep 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Rainer Thelonius >>>> Balthasar Straschill >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear fellow loopers, >>>>> >>>>> just want to let the Eclipse users who didn't >>>> already check it out >>>>> among you >>>>> know that the new software version 3.0 now >> offers >>>> MIDI clock output. >>>>> >>>>> Rainer >>>>> >>>>> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill >>>>> Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >>>>> The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de >>>>> digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >>>>> Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.balanceman.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >>> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >>> >>> >> http://www.balanceman.com >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > http://www.balanceman.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 04:33:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i898PIR26283; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:25:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C49657.05338480@dyn-83-155-80-193.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bought some listmembers CD's :-) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:23:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C49657.053B25A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C49657.053B25A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Per, thanks for this post (and kindly mentionning my CD :-) I must say this is my first favorite thing about LD :=20 discovering people and their music in the style(s) that I like, the other things being tips on the EDP usage and info about=20 other looping machines. all the best to all ... best to all ... best to all ... to all ... to = all ... Francois http://fr.lebrun.free.fr check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Per Boysen [SMTP:per@boysen.se] Date: mercredi 8 septembre 2004 15:10 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Bought some listmembers CD's :-) Hi, Spent some paypal money at CD Baby and found, among other things, two=20 nice CDs from members of this list: 1 of: KRISPEN HARTUNG: places 1 of: STEVE LAWSON: grace and gratitude It was cool to listen to Krispens guitar looping after reading here on=20 the list about the set-up used for the recording. And I must say that=20 Steve Lawson's record was nice! Much better (according to my taste)=20 than I had been thinking from downloading clips at his site, although I=20 wanted to buy it anyway :-) Here's a quick question for Steve, if=20 you're reading this mail: The lfo filter heard on most tracks, is that=20 the MPX-G2? I was also looking for records by Tom Heasley but couldn't find any at=20 CD Baby. And this week I heard about Jair-Rohm's new release. Too bad=20 my money ran out so quickely! I'll get back on that by the next royalty=20 period (as well as donating a little more to the list). In the past I have also acquired excellent CD's from Francois Lebrun,=20 Matthias Grob, Rick Walker, Andreas Willers, Ted Killian and Andre=20 Lafosse. I'm finding this type of indie releases way more exciting than=20 most major record label releases! But that's not going to stop me from=20 buying Bj=F6rk's album as soon as I can put money aside ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C49657.053B25A0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhAIAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAUAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt RGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAKQAAAFNNVFA6TE9PUEVSUy1E RUxJR0hUQExPT1BFUlMtREVMSUdIVC5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAJAAA AExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAAIB918BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+k vqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAA TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20AAAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB 9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAXHhQEEgAEAJgAAAFJFOiBCb3VnaHQgc29tZSBsaXN0bWVtYmVycyBDRCdz ICA6LSkABgwBBYADAA4AAADUBwkACQAKABcADwAEACEBASCAAwAOAAAA1AcJAAkACgANABIABAAa AQEJgAEAIQAAADAxQTU2RTEyNDQ5NkM0MTFCMkZGMjI3QUNCNzE5MEYzABAHAQOQBgDcCQAAIQAA AAsAAgABAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDA2wJB RpbEAR4AcAABAAAAJgAAAFJFOiBCb3VnaHQgc29tZSBsaXN0bWVtYmVycyBDRCdzICA6LSkAAAAC AXEAAQAAABYAAAABxJZGQQIToZ4CAkgR2Z7jREVTVAAAAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4A HwwBAAAAEgAAAGZyLmxlYnJ1bkBmcmVlLmZyAAAAAwAGECtTRCIDAAcQ8gUAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAA AEhJUEVSLFRIQU5LU0ZPUlRISVNQT1NUKEFOREtJTkRMWU1FTlRJT05OSU5HTVlDRDotKUlNVVNU U0FZVEhJU0lTTVlGSVJTVEZBVk9SSVRFVEhJTkdBQk9VVExEOkRJU0NPVkUAAAAAAgEJEAEAAACx BgAArQYAAGYKAABMWkZ1w1+YVz8ACgEDAfcCpAPjAgBjaMEKwHNldDAgBxMCg2MAUA7vVGFoA3EC gzKhEKdwcnEyD+kzEouZD099fQqACMggOwlvWDI1NQKACoF2CJB30msLgGQ0DGBjAFALAwZjAEEL YG5nMTAzDjYLpwqxCoBIaSBQlQSQLBr0dA9wbmsEIA8CEAXAHCAEACBwb3MlBUAoAHBkIBjCbHn2 IAeAAjBpAiADABoQHiCBHhBDRCA6LSka9JUa9EkeIHUdQXNhHhBnHNMc8R7xZmkPkAVAZsRhdgWw aXRlHMIewXcBoAhgBUBMHzEK4wqAZBsEAAWgdgZxHsFwZW9vC1AicB2CHCBlIbAgUmmeYyEwA6Al cSCgdHklAGgocykcwWEFQCBAbNhpa2UbtyJwbyVxHLO7GhAEIGIlkB7BHmBwBCBDAiAmU0VEUCAg cGH+ZyUUC4ACECLlGvQolAkA3yTgHrMA0CKhB5AuH4oHQG8DICZiKWAdQXQrkS6xLn8v4C8fMC4x fzDSH4oK9HN+YhowAUAgsDSyGbAP0EbecgBwBaAEABB0MRpgJ6BPLaALpwySNlIgaAJAcCg6Ly8D UC4lAGJy+HVuLgNQCeA5ARByNqbZN3MxIA9gBZBrIWgfIRcqEQKxN/Z3PLAuY2RaYgGgeTzgA3Av NLEw/x5gB4EQcjPpEmEz6SegGlBXGuEDYCJgYwVALUDiTdMHkCrTZCciMWctkUDjPx+GQHQa4wsx QHQCAGktjDIyAcA2kTI2MxJwgwzQRJNiIERlOgyDhmIP0BuBIEJveQ+ggQOgW1NNVFA6JMCsckAG 4EbyLg+gXR+F70XBJ1BF+AeAcgUACYAbYGo4IKBlBTBlBtAJcCCBAdAwNCAxNToaMONIhhPiJ2Mw RgASYUYlZkws4QSQcy1F4CegZ/04AEAs0k3CAQBOIz1SSIe4T2JqD7BGB0bQdU5B/yCgA3AicCeg HUAHgAbQTcH9HxEnBCAfSkMfRCJABBqNexu1GvRTJMACMFGECrB5fwqwAyAEYC2gHhAnUR8hQs89 ISUjAhA44GQsIuBYQece0CiaWeB0dyuQGvQDAH5jInAfIBxxA2EeIVJEb/5mHMRR4kYAGwM6kF1A I4AAS1JJU1BFTiCASEFSVFVORyOADwtRXAAPMF4pU1RFVoJFI0BBV1NPTiOAnwnAYAElI2HhHmB0 dQEA8x+LBUB3YQQgBaAG8DBi11HiRxEwcUsFEHNXMQQg3Gd1IlAKwSzWYQGAKMH9CXBhJAAewSix KHEDoSgHj1HiIuUmYw+wLXVwKrF/CYAchSJwCXAFoWdyMQBBfx2RIEsnUVbFImAkUCNAYXp3UZBu UsFrFGPzW+IhewXQGSBoKVECQCjBHXBj/2s1MGIe8QGQZOEnEBvIJ3H/D3AdoClgZQIioRjBHtBc c7Bkb3duCQBnZGMnoL8p4SdRHOIAkCJgWeFsHCB/UTIncRr0ZAACMGphMHFi7nUeECJQJSF5ZAAe EB9RjVLgSGfRUsFhIHFmAP864XlAMDEecRyDbWNZ4AaQ9SOVeQhgJ0sBZ0Yc0wDA+wMQI4BUaLIr gSGgdeAowf8lgAsRKgIEYDBCYfEcYHrBBwQgbLkmYk1QWC1H/DI/H4xkAgdAUZAswnNE7wWxaxQp QR4QVFyReLBkEB8lAB4Qd4AFQAWgdWxk/24QIeEY0XfiWJIa9FjVa6R9HNN3CeA68HJRfhMi9ErJ C3ByLQgAaG1SwS2g/wfgCXAlAGQQOUCDwXdhcoH/GvQe8VhENaEogCMhgjF5Q+VOEHlvQEknLrEq 8AVAfz0QOuEqEydRWSEmYi2gePsFQANgeXXRHhAa9EehHnC/HaAdcIeCLrFkEXPgbmKh/yLCJ5EC QCUBBGBLATBxaKb6KS3bSSZECrAdQXJSbZHvghMA0HlBCXEgjwBcAC6w/1dCUqNcczWWI0A4s1ng GvSuTSdQHNFkEUcDYGJZ4PpSeWJXB0AnwBuga7JnQb0EIFcDECUAD5BZ4FRqYf5Lm2EHMAOgHYKa 0yOVbcD/AhAEEIoxjSBcoIVifCcmsP8kwF0ynoJq8onzh4EgwZJzf5ZhIlB8JAOSivQdMgDAar+C 9yeQAaBOEKAXb0BCaWP/J1CJYiiQYdA14HCkHUAk4J8eIVxkGvR3gR6yQmpMgNBmNnJrePJsd4Bc oF9kEVGQKhFkESBAYwORcL8jIVhFAJABABbQH2xBLrn/H4pGmBr0Qmc8SUfnro8s0l8DYANwT3kf mRYBALNQAAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAAMAgBD/////QAAHMMDIJd1ElsQBQAAIMMDIJd1ElsQB AwAAgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAALAAOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAD hQAAAAAAAAMAFYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAAC3DQAAAwAXgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAAeAByACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA4LjAACwAd gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADAB6ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAA AAAAAAMAH4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgA2gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYA AAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AN4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAA AAAeADiACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6 IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAFK8 ------ =_NextPart_000_01C49657.053B25A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:05:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i898wQ232527; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:58:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:57:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:50:20 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.120.5 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Damn...you seen the man himself perform?! That would be incredible. > KH was just tweaking levels, so it was more the "idea" of him performing that was exciting. even though Stockhausen is not my favorite composer, he sure has interesting ideas, and he is still incredibly creative and busy at age 76. I have the privilege to live right next to him ... he lives a mile from here in the small town of Kuerten near Cologne, Germany. Since his 70th birthday he does a week of seminars and concerts every summer. Many students and professional musicians from all over the globe come to attend, learn, and perform. A month ago, looper Harold Schellinx from Paris came and stayed at my place and we went to some seminars and incredible concerts. You can read his report (and see some of my photos) from this year's Stockhausen days at http://www.harsmedia.com/SoundBlog/Archief/00525.php (and if interested in Harold's work, listen to his vintage 1980 loops at http://www.harsmedia.com/Amphibious). -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:30:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i899NAa03880; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004701c4964d$9d5a3740$a59efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: EH 16 Second Delay question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:09:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4965D.6E11C600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4965D.6E11C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for bothering you with things already discussed. I=B4m thinking of = buying one of the reissues and I would like to know whether the 16SD is = an active or a passive looper. I mean by "passive" that the looper can = be connected to a group or aux out on the console and will loop = continously once the loop length has been determined (like the Jamman or = the EDP do in Delay mode). By "active" I mean a device that needs to be = instructed any time I want it to record or overdub a previously defined = loop (like the Repeater, the DL-4 loop recorder function or the Boss = RC-20 do). I prefer having passive loop devices around that allow me to = spontaneously run stuff into them for creating random loops, I don=B4t = really need phrase samplers. Is the 16SD just another phrase sampler = with some added bells and whistles, or is it also usable like an EDP in = delay mode? TIA, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4965D.6E11C600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for bothering you with things = already=20 discussed. I=B4m thinking of buying one of the reissues and I would like = to know=20 whether the 16SD is an active or a passive looper. I mean by "passive" = that the=20 looper can be connected to a group or aux out on the console and will = loop=20 continously once the loop length has been determined (like the Jamman or = the EDP=20 do in Delay mode). By "active" I mean a device that needs to be = instructed any=20 time I want it to record or overdub a previously=20 defined loop (like the Repeater, the DL-4 loop recorder=20 function or the Boss RC-20 do). I prefer having passive loop = devices around=20 that allow me to spontaneously run stuff into them for creating random = loops, I=20 don=B4t really need phrase samplers. Is the 16SD just another phrase = sampler with=20 some added bells and whistles, or is it also usable like an EDP in delay = mode?
 
TIA,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C4965D.6E11C600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89Cv5l11552; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:57:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1094734536!19915765 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557CC5@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn help OT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:48:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4966B.5AEF8450" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4966B.5AEF8450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I got the PC adrenalinn editing suit 2.0 from the yahoo site to try and edit my preset quickly. [snip] I have been trying to conect it to my computer via a cable that plugs into my joystick port at one end and has a midi in and out cable at the other, im using windows XP could anyone tell me why its not working? << sounds like you want to get the midi interface working first- do you have any other midi software on the PC that you could try with, say, a synth module, to get the midi interface established as working? you might be better off, if you're going to use this software a lot- & I suspect I'll be investigating it myself as I too have upgraded from mk1 to mk2 adrenalinn- buying a simple 1x1 midi interface box that plugs into the usb on y'r PC. these seldom run to more than about $50. I never got the joystick adaptor thing to work satisfactorily & I'm an engineer of 20 years working in broadcast & IT...... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4966B.5AEF8450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Adrenalinn help OT

>> I got the PC adrenalinn editing suit 2.0 from th= e yahoo site to try and edit my preset quickly.  [snip] I have been tr= ying to conect it to my computer via a cable that plugs into my joystick po= rt at one end and has a midi in and out cable at the other, im using window= s XP could anyone tell me why its not working? <<

sounds like you want to get the midi interface working fi= rst- do you have any other midi software on the PC that you could try with,= say, a synth module, to get the midi interface established as working?

you might be better off, if you're going to use this soft= ware a lot- & I suspect I'll be investigating it myself as I too have u= pgraded from mk1 to mk2 adrenalinn- buying a simple 1x1 midi interface box = that plugs into the usb on y'r PC. these seldom run to more than about $50.=

I never got the joystick adaptor thing to work satisfacto= rily & I'm an engineer of 20 years working in broadcast & IT......<= /FONT>

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4966B.5AEF8450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:08:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89D6Yr14184; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C13710E@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? Thread-Index: AcSWSw2+auvVCcvsTMWDnatrYs5QCAAIOvSw From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 13:05:20.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8D612E0:01C4966D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i89D5Na13954 Resent-Message-ID: <7_5xhD.A.VaD.UUFQBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now you sparked my interest...I had thought Mr Stockhausen passed away years ago. I find it very interesting that he is still doing experimental music. In other words age hasn't stopped him... There is no reason for him to stop of course, it seems that some stop doing thier passion after a certain age. I plan to go to the grave doing some form of electronic music. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:57 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Re: Sort of OT: Bjork's new cd MEDULLA... and looping? >> Damn...you seen the man himself perform?! That would be incredible. > KH was just tweaking levels, so it was more the "idea" of him performing that was exciting. even though Stockhausen is not my favorite composer, he sure has interesting ideas, and he is still incredibly creative and busy at age 76. I have the privilege to live right next to him ... he lives a mile from here in the small town of Kuerten near Cologne, Germany. Since his 70th birthday he does a week of seminars and concerts every summer. Many students and professional musicians from all over the globe come to attend, learn, and perform. A month ago, looper Harold Schellinx from Paris came and stayed at my place and we went to some seminars and incredible concerts. You can read his report (and see some of my photos) from this year's Stockhausen days at http://www.harsmedia.com/SoundBlog/Archief/00525.php (and if interested in Harold's work, listen to his vintage 1980 loops at http://www.harsmedia.com/Amphibious). -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:58:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89Dtmu23526; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <15341369.1094738104050.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:55:04 -0700 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Can I just do it till I need glasses? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 211.135.35.189/instID=130 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was in the middle of writing a rant about how commercially successful artists such as Bjork can put out whatever they want to and there would be a sizeable market for it. I mentioned that when Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music came out, several people I knew bought it (and called it "art"). I even listened to it a few times. I diplomatically mentioned that I wasn't dissing Bjork, but that it wasn't exactly what I would call artistic risk-taking. . . . . .when the doorbell rang. It was my Echoplex. What a machine! I haven't had this much fun playing with myself since I was in grade school! Frankly, Lou Reed and Bjork can make and sell whatever they want. It'll be all I can do to pull myself away from the Echoplex occasionally to read the L-D digest . . . and to make an occasional post. Brilliant piece of work Kim! Nice manual, too. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:17:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89HCCJ01725; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:12:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:12:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040909170958.92877.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: PC boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200409090755.i897tAq20108@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, Muchas gracias! "David Coffin" http://www.pad2pad.com/ On Sep 8, 2004, at 10:35 AM, S V G wrote: > > Last month someone posted a link to an Internet site where you > could design your own printed > circuit boards and have them shipped to you. Can anyone steer me back > to that site? > > Thanks, > > Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:13:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89I9Tr16569; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22D1FAA7-0235-11D9-8CDB-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> References: <20040909073535.32831.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> <22D1FAA7-0235-11D9-8CDB-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:00:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: syncing MPC1000+EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not really: with the first clock coming in, the EDP knows it will have to sync to something. then you can press Record immediately. then the end of the first bar arrives and the EDP know what time the Record has to be rounded to. then you press the second Record and it will round... >I realized after that posting - the EDP wants to see at least a bar >of incoming timecode before it interpolates the bar length. . . >On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:35 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > >>oh i see, you are slaving the EDP where ive always >>used it as my master, gotta try that although i was >>never too happy with ths results... >>ill get back to you and tell u how it went! >>Cheers >>Luis >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:19:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89IHma18293; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.171.176] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switches and Thanks Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:07:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_7f60_394e_6d45" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 18:07:20.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[D966D640:01C49697] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_7f60_394e_6d45 Content-Type: text/html


Hi there

Glad that the mail server didnt send my pictures to you all last night that wouldnt have been pretty!!!!

Thanks alot for my PC-Adrenalinn help, I have decided to follow advice and go for a USB connector.

On a new note, I have decided to take my FC-7 out of retirement and have another go at gigging live with it rather then my FCB1010 (which takes up more room and a power cord!!!)
 Thing is I have never got on with the buttons,I seem to be hit and miss with them.

Could anyone in the UK tell me where  I can get the type of buttons similar to line6 type (metal round pressy ones) I like this type the best

also any ideas on diameter and a description of the type i need (is is a non latching?)

thanks for all you help recently, I hope I can give back soon


Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface

MSN Premium gives you PC protection, junk-mail filters, advanced communication tools and great software like MSN Encarta® Premium. Click here for a FREE trial! ------=_NextPart_000_7f60_394e_6d45 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Message-Info: StaYHEBmGBqCv5p4yzzshfr/glri+wO/TDa0iQULrgw= Received: from mc3-f8.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.144]) by mc3-s4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:14:17 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:13:18 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i894CgM16630; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:12:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.213.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Im so sorry Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 04:11:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 04:11:35.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[18A84840:01C49623] Resent-Message-ID: <-H5_2C.A.xDE.6g9PBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi all

I just wanted to say how sorry I am if you have all just recieved a MASSSIVE email with pics for an art submission.

Its nearly five in the morning here and i have just finished work, I typed this all out as my last thing to do for the night, needless to say some how  the LD list address got poasted instead of the art shops aplication address.

i know how precious our bandwidth is and Id hate to offend anyone with either the size or content of my mis-led post

once again SORRY

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

What type of MSN user are you? Take our quick quiz and find out! ------=_NextPart_000_7f60_394e_6d45-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 15:40:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89Jc7x03278; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:38:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:38:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <29057725.1094572094482.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:22:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Stockhausen's "Stimmung" great vox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Stimmung" also means "mood" (of a person) and "vibe" (of a space) > >For those who haven't heard the piece (the title Stimmung means >"tuning") the vocal technique includes a great deal of reinforced >vocal harmonics and the text is made up of 11 magic names. Here's a >nice Web page: > >http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco2/Rec/Stockhausen/12.html >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 15:40:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89JcPM03306; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:38:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:38:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <159.3e199481.2e66450d@aol.com> References: <159.3e199481.2e66450d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:23:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: since this list started Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>wow, Bryan has been one of the first 10 members of this list, 8 years ago... >>how have you been? >>you did not lurk all this time, did you? >> >>whats your impression? >>how did the list develop since then? >> Brian answered very nicely (ten days ago, sorry) : >... >I'm supposed to loop and record with the other members of >BrotherSync this week in pursuit of a 3rd CD's worth of trax.. we'll >see what transpires there. oh, did it work out? did you use a EDP to brother with them? :-) >Well nothing more loving/scathing was ever posted about the nature >of the LD list than the famous "Loser's Delete" post of years past, wow, I had not read it then and found it nice, too. but living on the other side with the instrument builders, I must alert that musical instruments always have been extremely limiting if you think of the universe of sounds and combinations of sounds existing. Musicians never came close to produce any sounds they imagine. So any instrument (including loop tools) are just a narrow tool the musician has to deal with. Sorry. >My impression of the list is that over the past 8 years there has >been a steady flow of new loop hardware (mostly software) ,that is >constantly re-defining what the state of the art is in looping >technology. One of the results of this process in regards to the LD >list is that the people who are using new loop systems get very >involved in their move toward modern looping procedures and as a >result usually lose interest in the "retro" aspects of older loop >devices, which are all some people on the list are able or willing >to use anyway. I would like to diferenciate between retro and basic here: retro: some old unit have their specific character like the sound deteriorisation with each repetition and tape speed regulation and such which can be inspiring and hard to reproduce. So some lovers of those feators may become frustrated with newer equipment. basic: there are very few basic functions that most looper tools share, mainly Record and Overdub and with those an amazing large variation of styles and huge sounds are possible. So I guess that the large mayority only uses those functions and may not find anything insteresting to discuss about them, so we dont meet them on this list. >I believe the gap between users that arises as a result of this, >usually causes people to seek out a list that is more specific to >their looping device or platform of choice. The LD list is always at >its best when the context of the discussion is more music/sound/loop >in nature, rather than gear specific prattle. I dont think there is a more specific list for the hardware loop tools exept for the Repeater, is there? But yes, if we loose the contributions of the people using software, its a pity... >Probably the single most notable milepost to mark the decline of the >wider loop thread presence on this list was the fallout from >9-11-01. I believe that some of the posts that appeared on the list >in the weeks following that event were signifigant in causing some >people to re-define their need to participate in this forum. this is new for me! I remember there were a lot of emotions, but could they make people leave and not come back since? also, if you look at the archive, the heavy drop of contributions was in september 03 only... I just realize I also posted a lot less since then... I see the need of gear info exchange, but what kept the list interesting for me was the talk about improv and personal experiences... but we probably could not go on with this forever... and hopefully we rather know now why we do what and really do it! :-) >However I believe the list is still the best overall portal to begin >one's journey into the loop information experience, and I doubt if >I'll feel the need to "uncircumsize" myself from it anytime >soon.But then again I haven't read any of the posts subsequent to >this one...so......thanx again for asking. How about you Matthias? I am discovering voice as the most intuitive and flexible instrument. besides, there is some magic quality to it. I used to like to sing some bass lines in scool and in one song with Lizard, and I like to sing in the care alone, but to sing alone on stage is very different, needs a lot more self confidence than hiding behind an instrument, so thats the challenge... I also feel ashamed that in 25 years of playing music, I never made people dance... > sincerely, > >bryan helm -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:23:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89KLIE09470; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:21:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c496aa$6a8033d0$050a5c54@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: Subject: UK gig spam - EMC Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:20:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C496B2.CC1B41E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C496B2.CC1B41E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all - I've put together a collective of musicians and visual artists = (EMC) to perform at the Wirksworth festival in sunny Derbyshire this = weekend. We will be generating much ambient loopage and glorious visuals = in a continuous, evolving piece - from 10.00 till 5.00 Sat and Sun. We = will be in the Moot Hall - a 200 year old court house and we will be = using two 5200 lumen Beamers - it should be pretty impressive! I've never tried anything quite like this before - especially attempting = a constantly evolving 7 hour performance - I'll let you know how it = works out. It would be nice to meet up with some fellow loopers - please come and = say hello. Oh - and a recording of some of the Saturday performance will be = projected into the Market Place that evening. All the best, Dave Sturt www.cipher.f9.co.uk www.jadewarrior.com ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C496B2.CC1B41E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all - I've put together a collective = of=20 musicians and visual artists (EMC) to perform at the Wirksworth festival = in=20 sunny Derbyshire this weekend. We will be generating much ambient = loopage=20 and glorious visuals in a continuous, evolving piece - from 10.00 till = 5.00 Sat=20 and Sun. We will be in the Moot Hall - a 200 year old court house and we = will be=20 using two 5200 lumen Beamers - it should be pretty = impressive!
 
I've never tried anything quite = like this=20 before - especially attempting a constantly evolving 7 hour performance = - I'll=20 let you know how it works out.
 
It would be nice to meet up with some = fellow=20 loopers - please come and say hello.
 
Oh - and a recording of some of the = Saturday=20 performance will be projected into the Market Place that = evening.
 
All the best,
 
Dave Sturt
 
 
www.cipher.f9.co.uk
www.jadewarrior.com
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C496B2.CC1B41E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:54:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89KpQj13371; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.584ff73d.2e721bd3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:49:23 EDT Subject: Re: UK gig spam - EMC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.584ff73d.2e721bd3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.584ff73d.2e721bd3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/9/04 4:20:53 PM, dave@davesturt.f9.co.uk writes: > I've never=A0tried anything quite like this before - especially attempting= a=20 > constantly evolving 7 hour performance - I'll let you know how it works ou= t. >=20 please do! --part1_5b.584ff73d.2e721bd3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/9/04 4:20:53 PM, dave@davesturt.f9.co.uk writes:


I've never=A0tried anything qui= te like this before - especially attempting a constantly evolving 7 hour per= formance - I'll let you know how it works out.


please do! --part1_5b.584ff73d.2e721bd3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 17:22:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i89LJsG20583; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:19:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:19:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <00a901c496aa$6a8033d0$050a5c54@computername> References: <00a901c496aa$6a8033d0$050a5c54@computername> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-493356380 Message-Id: From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: UK gig spam - EMC Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:17:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-493356380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I, for one, really hope you record it and make it available to others. ... perhaps, put the audio on a dvd to minimize interrupting the=20 seamlessness...? I'm sure there are several LDers that would be willing to help author=20 such an effort - and I'm one of them. Jeff Evans On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Dave Sturt wrote: > Hi all - I've put together a collective of musicians and visual=20 > artists (EMC) to perform at the Wirksworth festival in=20 > sunny=A0Derbyshire this weekend. We will be generating much ambient=20 > loopage and glorious visuals in a continuous, evolving piece - from=20 > 10.00 till 5.00 Sat and Sun. We will be in the Moot Hall - a 200 year=20= > old court house and we will be using two 5200 lumen Beamers - it=20 > should be pretty impressive! > =A0 > I've never=A0tried anything quite like this before - especially=20 > attempting a constantly evolving 7 hour performance - I'll let you=20 > know how it works out. > =A0 > It would be nice to meet up with some fellow loopers - please come and=20= > say hello. > =A0 > Oh - and a recording of some of the Saturday performance will be=20 > projected into the Market Place that evening. > =A0 > All the best, > =A0 > Dave Sturt > =A0 > =A0 > www.cipher.f9.co.uk > www.jadewarrior.com --Apple-Mail-1-493356380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I, for one, really hope you record it and make it available to others.=20= ... perhaps, put the audio on a dvd to minimize interrupting the seamlessness...?=20 I'm sure there are several LDers that would be willing to help author such an effort - and I'm one of them. Jeff Evans On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Dave Sturt wrote: Hi all - I've put together a collective of musicians and visual artists (EMC) to perform at the Wirksworth festival in sunny=A0Derbyshire this weekend. We will be generating much ambient loopage and glorious visuals in a continuous, evolving piece - from 10.00 till 5.00 Sat and Sun. We will be in the Moot Hall - a 200 year old court house and we will be using two 5200 lumen Beamers - it should be pretty impressive! =A0 I've never=A0tried anything quite like this before - especially attempting a constantly evolving 7 hour performance - I'll let you know how it works out. =A0 It would be nice to meet up with some fellow loopers - please come and say hello. =A0 Oh - and a recording of some of the Saturday performance will be projected into the Market Place that evening. =A0 All the best, =A0 Dave Sturt =A0 =A0 = 0000,0000,EEEEwww.cipher.f9.co.uk= = 0000,0000,EEEEwww.jadewarrior.com= = --Apple-Mail-1-493356380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 21:40:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8A1bjA15414; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:37:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:37:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: remixing Miles Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:36:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040907224818.31937.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSVLVhB1lIDzshJQZCZgstRL41qYwBqJE5A Message-Id: <20040910013649.TBBE27594.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is everyone aware of a new kind of blue remixing contest going on now at Acid Planet? Even if you don't get into the contest, there's a bunch of great loops available for down load. http://www.acidplanet.com/contests/nextblue/ tOM -----Original Message----- From: Mary Jane Adams [mailto:maverickmary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Miles, Bjork > How refreshing to hear someone who thinks In a Silent Way kicks bootay > on Bitches Brew. Bill Laswell's Panthalassa is really amazing in weaving together this track with a lot of other Miles Davis tunes. Mary Jane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 21:52:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8A1oLo19673; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-2200495101599170@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex RE: Can I just do it till I need glasses? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:59:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409517eba34b1d6392c6db090ac8a7d71e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex? Congrats! What are those bad boys up to now, price-wise? Way the hell outa my league...jeez, the Zvex Loop Junky is outa my league, even... > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 9/9/2004 9:56:07 AM > Subject: Can I just do it till I need glasses? > > I was in the middle of writing a rant about how commercially successful artists such as Bjork can put out whatever they want to and there would be a sizeable market for it. I mentioned that when Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music came out, several people I knew bought it (and called it "art"). I even listened to it a few times. I diplomatically mentioned that I wasn't dissing Bjork, but that it wasn't exactly what I would call artistic risk-taking. . . > > . . .when the doorbell rang. It was my Echoplex. What a machine! I haven't had this much fun playing with myself since I was in grade school! Frankly, Lou Reed and Bjork can make and sell whatever they want. It'll be all I can do to pull myself away from the Echoplex occasionally to read the L-D digest . . . and to make an occasional post. > > Brilliant piece of work Kim! Nice manual, too. > > TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 22:12:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8A2AwC23858; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: remixing Miles Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:09:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040910013649.TBBE27594.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSVLVhB1lIDzshJQZCZgstRL41qYwBqJE5AAAFFRhA= Message-Id: <20040910020913.TWHR27594.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS: this is the CD that the remixing loops are based on: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/anestofeggs2 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: remixing Miles is everyone aware of a new kind of blue remixing contest going on now at Acid Planet? Even if you don't get into the contest, there's a bunch of great loops available for down load. http://www.acidplanet.com/contests/nextblue/ tOM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 04:21:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8A8IhS26950; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: Live Looping Gig announcement in Zurich, Switzerland Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:20:40 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=4.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Conveyor Belt" Live-Looping Duo in concert at Lebewohlfabrik, Zurich, Switzerland, September 18th. If you can possibly make it, please come and check us out: Bernhard Wagner: electric guitar, EDP, effects. http://nosuch.biz/bernhardart Andreas Holstein: violoncello, EDP. Conveyor Belt: http://www.conveyor-belt.org (This time, it's music, no visuals.) Doors: 20:30 (That's 8:30 PM) Concert: 21:00 Admission: CHF 12.- Lebewohlfabrik: www.lebewohlfabrik.ch Seefeld, Fröhlichstrasse 23, Zürihorn parking spot, trams 2 + 4, bus 33 Details (German): http://www.conveyor-belt.org/lebewohlGig.html Please wear a Looper's Delight T-Shirt at the gig, so I can more easily spot you and offer you a drink ;-) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 10:32:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8AES8Q10249; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:26:22 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4970F.DB1003E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4970F.DB1003E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all - After struggling with getting my two new EDPs to sync in stereo via BrotherSync, Kim Flint came in to save my Friday. My final parameter settings are below, and I've noted the setting that did the trick in addition to what is recommended in the manual. Thanks, Kim! Kris Parameter settings for both units, horizontal across the unit, left to right: Loops MoreLoops=2L AutoRecord=ON LoopCopy=OFF SwitchQuant=LOP LoopTrig#=84 Velocity=OFF SamplerStyle=RUN MIDI Channel=1 ControlSource=Ctr (FIRST CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL.could be "not" as well) Source#=36 VolumeCont=7 FeedBkCont=1 Dump=001 h Load=001 - Switches RecordMode=tOG OverdubMode=tOG RoundMode=OFF InsertMode=rEV MuteMode=StA Overflow=PLY Presets=Pr.E Timing Loop/Delay=LOP Quantize=OFF 8ths/Cycle=1 Sync=OUT (SECOND CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL) Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET TO 0) Reverse=[Shows No Setting] StartPoint=[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the first LED] ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4970F.DB1003E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical = Parameter Settings

Hello all = -

After struggling = with getting my two new EDPs to sync in stereo via BrotherSync, = Kim Flint came in to save my = Friday. My final parameter settings = are below, and I've noted the setting that did the trick in addition to = what is recommended in the manual.

Thanks, = Kim!

Kris

Parameter = settings for both units, horizontal across the unit, left to = right:

Loops

MoreLoops=3D2L
AutoRecord=3DON
LoopCopy=3DOFF
SwitchQuant=3DLOP
LoopTrig#=3D84
Velocity=3DOFF
SamplerStyle=3DRUN

MIDI

Channel=3D1
ControlSource=3DCtr (FIRST CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN = MANUAL…could be "not" as well)
Source#=3D36
VolumeCont=3D7
FeedBkCont=3D1
Dump=3D001  = h
Load=3D001  = -

Switches

RecordMode=3DtOG
OverdubMode=3DtOG
RoundMode=3DOFF
InsertMode=3DrEV
MuteMode=3DStA
Overflow=3DPLY
Presets=3DPr.E

Timing

Loop/Delay=3DLOP
Quantize=3DOFF
8ths/Cycle=3D1
Sync=3DOUT (SECOND CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN = MANUAL)
Threshold=3D0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET = TO 0)
Reverse=3D[Shows = No Setting]
StartPoint=3D[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the = first LED]


------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4970F.DB1003E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 14:00:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8AHpSh04188; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016601c4975e$90b88bb0$050a5c54@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: <00a901c496aa$6a8033d0$050a5c54@computername> Subject: Re: UK gig spam - EMC Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:49:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01C49766.F0DBC6D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C49766.F0DBC6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff - I certainly hope to record it - ideally audio and video - = though I'm not sure how to do that over 7 hours!=20 As for your offer to author it on to DVD - that is extremely kind - and = I will hopefully take you up on it - if all goes to plan. All the best Dave Sturt I, for one, really hope you record it and make it available to others. = ... perhaps, put the audio on a dvd to minimize interrupting the = seamlessness...?=20 I'm sure there are several LDers that would be willing to help author = such an effort - and I'm one of them. Jeff Evans On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Dave Sturt wrote: Hi all - I've put together a collective of musicians and visual = artists (EMC) to perform at the Wirksworth festival in sunny Derbyshire = this weekend. We will be generating much ambient loopage and glorious = visuals in a continuous, evolving piece - from 10.00 till 5.00 Sat and = Sun. We will be in the Moot Hall - a 200 year old court house and we = will be using two 5200 lumen Beamers - it should be pretty impressive! =20 I've never tried anything quite like this before - especially = attempting a constantly evolving 7 hour performance - I'll let you know = how it works out. =20 It would be nice to meet up with some fellow loopers - please come = and say hello. =20 Oh - and a recording of some of the Saturday performance will be = projected into the Market Place that evening. =20 All the best, =20 Dave Sturt =20 =20 www.cipher.f9.co.uk www.jadewarrior.com ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C49766.F0DBC6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff - I certainly hope to record it = - ideally=20 audio and video - though I'm not sure how to do that over 7 hours! =
 
As for your offer to author it on to = DVD - that is=20 extremely kind - and I will hopefully take you up on it - if all goes to = plan.
 
All the best
 
Dave Sturt

I,=20 for one, really hope you record it and make it available to others.=20

... perhaps, put the audio on a dvd to minimize interrupting = the=20 seamlessness...?

I'm sure there are several LDers that would = be=20 willing to help author such an effort - and I'm one of = them.

Jeff=20 Evans


On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Dave Sturt wrote:

Hi all - I've put together a collective of = musicians=20 and visual artists (EMC) to perform at the Wirksworth festival in=20 sunny Derbyshire this weekend. We will be generating much = ambient=20 loopage and glorious visuals in a continuous, evolving piece - from = 10.00=20 till 5.00 Sat and Sun. We will be in the Moot Hall - a 200 year old = court=20 house and we will be using two 5200 lumen Beamers - it should be = pretty=20 impressive!
 
I've never tried = anything=20 quite like this before - especially attempting a constantly evolving = 7 hour=20 performance - I'll let you know how it works = out.
 
It would be nice to meet up with = some=20 fellow loopers - please come and say = hello.
 
Oh - and a recording of some of = the=20 Saturday performance will be projected into the Market Place that = evening.
 
All the=20 best,
 
Dave=20 Sturt
 
 
www.cipher.f9.co.uk
www.jadewarrior.com
------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C49766.F0DBC6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 02:20:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8B6Ffo13313; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <46D19114-03BA-11D9-BDD4-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Griesgraber Subject: New tour with California Guitar Trio (gig spam) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:17:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8B6Eha13194 Resent-Message-ID: <8byiWB.A.bOD.UfpQBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Just wanted to pass along that I'll be opening for the Fall CGT tour, with Repeater in tow. Mine will be relatively short sets everynight.. but I usually do about 50% "live" tunes and 50% live tunes with looping. (The live portion being Chapman Stick; clean, fx, synth, etc). The most current schedule I have is pasted below. Updates can be found at www.thossounds.com/schedules.html or www.cgtrio.com/tour.htm If any of you make it out, be sure to say hi. I'll be hanging around the merch table after my set each night. Thanks fer reading! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com September 24 Santa Fe, NM - Santuario de Guadalupe, 505-988-2027 25 Mancos, CO ­ Millwood Junction, 970-533-7338 26 Boulder, CO TBA 27 Travel Day 28 Salt Lake City, UT - Port O Call, 801-521-0589 29 Travel Day 30 Battle MT, NV ­ - Battle Mountain Civic Center, 775-635-1112 October 1 Fallon, NV - Barkley Theater, 775-423-1440 2 San Francisco, CA - Noe Valley Ministry, 415-454-5238 3 Sutter Creek, CA - Sutter Creek Theater, 209-267-1070 4 Santa Cruz, CA - ­ Henfling's, 831-336-8811 5 Redwood City, CA - ­ Little Fox Theater, 650-369-4119 6 Lancaster, CA - Performing Arts Center, 661-723-5950 7 Travel Day 8 Eugene, OR - Café Paradiso, 541-485-3088 9 Portland, OR ­ TBA 10 Bellingham, WA 11-13 Off 14 Federal Way, WA - Knutzen Family Theater, 253-835-2020 15 Port Angeles, WA - Juan De Fuca Festival (2 shows) 16 Everett, WA - Everett Civic Auditorium, 425-303-9070 17 Travel Day 18 Travel Day 19Creston, IA - Southwestern Community College, 641-782-1479 20 Creston, IA - Southwestern Community College, 641-782-1479 21 Cedar Rapids, IA - CSPS, 319-364-1580 22 Minneapolis, MN - Cedar Cultural Center, 612-338-2674 ext 2 23 Morris, MN - Edson Auditorium 24 Travel Day 25 Off 26 Ann Arbor, MI - The Ark, 734-761-1818 27 Cleveland, OH - Night Town, 216-795-1818 28-31 Off November 1-2 Off 3 Lowell, MA - New England Art Rock Society 4 Fall River, MA - Narrows Arts Center, 508-324-1926 5 Pawling, NY - Town Crier, 845-855-1300 6 Philadelphia, PA - Tin Angel, 215-928-0770 7 Harrisburg, PA - Whitaker Center, 8 NYC? - TBA 9 Washington DC ­ XM Radio 10 Vienna, VA - Jammin Java, 703-255-1566 11 Williamsburg, VA - Corner Pocket, 12 Charlottesville, VA - Gravity Lounge, 434-977-5590 13 Asheville, NC - Stella Blue, 828-236-2424 14 Charleston ­ Mountain Stage Radio 15 Lexington, KY - Kentucky Theater, 859-231-6997 16 TBA 17 TBA 18 Birmingham, AL Sirote Hall (2 shows) 19 Atlanta, GA ­ Red Light 20 Charlotte, NC - Neighborhood Theater, 704-358-9298 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 03:27:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8B7Mw121880; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: EDP 8th replacement FUN Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:24:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <_X0zJ.A.hSF.qeqQBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having such a lot of fun with the wicked 8th replacement in the EDP... http://nosuch.biz/soundz/8threplace.mp3 (853K) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 12:08:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8BG3iZ06000; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.1e7aa7be.2e747bb0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:02:56 EDT Subject: Re: EDP 8th replacement FUN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c9.1e7aa7be.2e747bb0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <7FwZdD.A.MdB.AHyQBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c9.1e7aa7be.2e747bb0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard, In a message dated 9/11/04 12:22:28 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/8threplace.mp3 >=20 Cool! Looking forward to hearing more in Santa Cruz. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_1c9.1e7aa7be.2e747bb0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard,

In a message dated 9/11/04 12:22:28 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes:

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 --part1_1c9.1e7aa7be.2e747bb0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 12:34:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8BGWfX09277; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: Circular Logic In-Time, live midi clock sync possibilities Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:32:09 -0700 Message-ID: <026d01c4981c$e4abd830$6401a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 In-Reply-To: <46D19114-03BA-11D9-BDD4-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there any mac users with experience with Circular Logic "In-Time" software? I'm also looking at KTDrum Trigger and Control Aid. I'm a guitarist, mac OSX user, and I want to be able to record audio live onstage, store it in the computer, and play it back whenever I need it during the song. That part seems easy enough, but I want to keep the tempo of the recorded audio/midi/whatever in sync with the live performance of the band onstage. For example, the live band starts playing a song onstage without a click track or any headphones, etc... 1- The software "listens" to the audio input from a mic or trigger on the drum kit and interprets a tempo and creates a midi sync master clock. 2- I hit a pedal to start recording, play a guitar part and then hit a pedal again to store it for later playback. It's very important to me that the recording in & out points are quantized automatically based on the midi clock sync. 3- The band keeps playing... I want that original guitar riff back in again on top of what is now happening later in the song. 4- I hit another pedal- the original riff comes back in perfect sync, even though the band may have sped up or slowed down slightly. Whatever needs to be done to the original riff (timequeezing, etc) happens automatically. Would Ableton Live 4 be the best host for this scenario? My drummer is incredibly gifted. His timing is killer. I want to have the midi clock follow the live band in realtime. Does this sound doable? Has anyone pulled this off already? I crave some feedback, because I'm a guitarist, not a software engineer. I know what I want to do, but I'm afraid there's a big, lonely learning-curve. Thanks to all, Griff Peters www.griffpeters.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 15:38:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8BJbYm07199; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <026d01c4981c$e4abd830$6401a8c0@geetar> References: <026d01c4981c$e4abd830$6401a8c0@geetar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Circular Logic In-Time, live midi clock sync possibilities Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:36:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Ableton Live would be fine for what you want to do. A Repeater, hardware unit, will also do the job. But I'm not sure about the best way to keep the tempo; either you tap a midi pedal with your foot or you extract it from the drummer with some audio to midi converting device. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On Sep 11, 2004, at 18:32, Griff Peters wrote: > Are there any mac users with experience with Circular Logic "In-Time" > software? I'm also looking at KTDrum Trigger and Control Aid. > > I'm a guitarist, mac OSX user, and I want to be able to record audio > live onstage, store it in the computer, and play it back whenever I > need > it during the song. > > That part seems easy enough, but I want to keep the tempo of the > recorded audio/midi/whatever in sync with the live performance of the > band onstage. > > For example, the live band starts playing a song onstage without a > click > track or any headphones, etc... > > 1- The software "listens" to the audio input from a mic or trigger on > the drum kit and interprets a tempo and creates a midi sync master > clock. > > 2- I hit a pedal to start recording, play a guitar part and then hit a > pedal again to store it for later playback. It's very important to me > that the recording in & out points are quantized automatically based on > the midi clock sync. > > 3- The band keeps playing... I want that original guitar riff back in > again on top of what is now happening later in the song. > > 4- I hit another pedal- the original riff comes back in perfect sync, > even though the band may have sped up or slowed down slightly. Whatever > needs to be done to the original riff (timequeezing, etc) happens > automatically. > > Would Ableton Live 4 be the best host for this scenario? > > My drummer is incredibly gifted. His timing is killer. I want to have > the midi clock follow the live band in realtime. > > Does this sound doable? Has anyone pulled this off already? > > I crave some feedback, because I'm a guitarist, not a software > engineer. > I know what I want to do, but I'm afraid there's a big, lonely > learning-curve. > > Thanks to all, > > Griff Peters > www.griffpeters.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 22:38:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8C2XT308399; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:33:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:33:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c49871$1759bd20$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Dark Seeds" , "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Wendy Atkinson and vinyl vandal Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:34:56 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0X_yWD.A.5AC.QU7QBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel 1214 Queen St. West - Toronto, Canada Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 01:47:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8C5kja03235; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:46:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:46:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <015B69B2-047F-11D9-9C9A-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice: Seattle Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:45:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots of fun this week--new material, and a new venue. Acoustic guitar live looping, blah, blah, blah: Sept. 14, Tuesday, 7-9PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Sept. 16, Thursday, 8-10PM Bop Street Records (5219 Ballard Ave. NW) Sept. 17, Friday, 8-10PM Victor's Celtic Coffee (7993 Gilman Street, Redmond WA) Sept 18, Saturday, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) Coming soon: new album. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 05:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8C9Pmv32526; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:25:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: RE: Circular Logic In-Time, live midi clock sync possibilities Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 02:24:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Resent-Message-ID: <1f_8RD.A.35H.uWBRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your reply, Per. So, assuming I can get Live 4's audio and quantized clip record/playback functions to conform in realtime to an external midi clock sync source generated from audio, I can then have an audio clip in Live timesqeezed or stretched automatically to play back in perfect sync with the onstage band. Does that sound correct? I haven't done any timestretching in Live 4 yet. If I can get Circular Logic "In-Time" setup as the clock master, then I should be ready to create some seriously heavy onstage sonic damage. Griff Peters www.griffpeters.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Circular Logic In-Time, live midi clock sync possibilities Yes, Ableton Live would be fine for what you want to do. A Repeater, hardware unit, will also do the job. But I'm not sure about the best way to keep the tempo; either you tap a midi pedal with your foot or you extract it from the drummer with some audio to midi converting device. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On Sep 11, 2004, at 18:32, Griff Peters wrote: > Are there any mac users with experience with Circular Logic "In-Time" > software? I'm also looking at KTDrum Trigger and Control Aid. > > I'm a guitarist, mac OSX user, and I want to be able to record audio > live onstage, store it in the computer, and play it back whenever I > need > it during the song. > > That part seems easy enough, but I want to keep the tempo of the > recorded audio/midi/whatever in sync with the live performance of the > band onstage. > > For example, the live band starts playing a song onstage without a > click > track or any headphones, etc... > > 1- The software "listens" to the audio input from a mic or trigger on > the drum kit and interprets a tempo and creates a midi sync master > clock. > > 2- I hit a pedal to start recording, play a guitar part and then hit a > pedal again to store it for later playback. It's very important to me > that the recording in & out points are quantized automatically based on > the midi clock sync. > > 3- The band keeps playing... I want that original guitar riff back in > again on top of what is now happening later in the song. > > 4- I hit another pedal- the original riff comes back in perfect sync, > even though the band may have sped up or slowed down slightly. Whatever > needs to be done to the original riff (timequeezing, etc) happens > automatically. > > Would Ableton Live 4 be the best host for this scenario? > > My drummer is incredibly gifted. His timing is killer. I want to have > the midi clock follow the live band in realtime. > > Does this sound doable? Has anyone pulled this off already? > > I crave some feedback, because I'm a guitarist, not a software > engineer. > I know what I want to do, but I'm afraid there's a big, lonely > learning-curve. > > Thanks to all, > > Griff Peters > www.griffpeters.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 07:02:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CB0X307602; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Circular Logic In-Time, live midi clock sync possibilities Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:59:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 12, 2004, at 11:24, Griff Peters wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Per. > > So, assuming I can get Live 4's audio and quantized clip > record/playback > functions to conform in realtime to an external midi clock sync source > generated from audio, I can then have an audio clip in Live timesqeezed > or stretched automatically to play back in perfect sync with the > onstage > band. Does that sound correct? Yes, that's correct. You will also need some midi controller to trigger the licks you have recorded as clips in Live. Any midi keyboard or midi foot pedal will do. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 09:56:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CDs0d22584; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:53:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <5NS1u.A.UgF.gTFRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've Been trying to use Live along with the Behringer MIDI foot pedal as a live looper and it's just not working like I was hoping it would. I have a Line6 which I love. I was hoping it would be like this pedal but that I could have more than one track and also be able to do everything else you can do in live, ie. change the speed. How do you guys have Live set up? I have it on the default "trigger" setting. I can't get seamless loops. Maybe it's because I have it on "trigger", maybe it's latency, maybe it's cause I'm not used to playing to click when it comes to live looping. if you guys could help me get this working I would really appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 10:27:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CEPU927154; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6399CD96-04C7-11D9-AAE3-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:24:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There seems to be latency issues with the Emagic EMI 2|6 and Live 4.01 The sound comes in too late if I use "latency-free" hardware monitoring. It seems to work a lot better with software monitoring on but then the sound gets doubled since I can't figure out how to turn off the hardware monitoring on the EMI 2|6 without affecting the Live output. On Sep 12, 2004, at 9:53 AM, soam wrote: > I've Been trying to use Live along with the Behringer MIDI foot pedal > as a live looper and it's just not working like I was hoping it would. > > I have a Line6 which I love. I was hoping it would be like this pedal > but that I could have more than one track and also be able to do > everything else you can do in live, ie. change the speed. > > How do you guys have Live set up? > > I have it on the default "trigger" setting. I can't get seamless > loops. Maybe it's because I have it on "trigger", maybe it's latency, > maybe it's cause I'm not used to playing to click when it comes to > live looping. > > if you guys could help me get this working I would really appreciate > it. > > Thanks a lot, > > Erland > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 11:54:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CFr0707463; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:52:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8CFqRa07401 Resent-Message-ID: <8aB7HC.A.6zB.7CHRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 12, 2004, at 15:53, soam wrote: > I've Been trying to use Live along with the Behringer MIDI foot pedal > as a live looper and it's just not working like I was hoping it would. > I have a Line6 which I love. I was hoping it would be like this pedal > but that I could have more than one track and also be able to do > everything else you can do in live, ie. change the speed. > I have it on the default "trigger" setting. I can't get seamless loops. It's much easier to get a seamless loop with a looper that can overdub recording by stacking layers into the same loop. Live doesn't do that. Over here I'm getting more and more comfortable with Live 4, but I practically never record loops into Live (as clips), because I too like seamless loops and being able to change the loops from my instrument playing, while the loops are spinning. ´What I do is to record loops into a looping plug-in that uses Live 4 as the host application. Right now I'm into Augustus Loop (OS X) but Lexicon PSP 42 (PC + Mac) will also do the job. Thanks to Live 4 every plug-in parameter can be mapped to some midi pedal or whatever... If recording loops directly into Live, as clips, you can actually change speed and pitch. But these are so called sample or clip parameters and can not be addressed from external midi controllers. That's a big bummer that, yes. > There seems to be latency issues with the Emagic EMI 2|6 and Live 4.01 > The sound comes in too late if I use "latency-free" hardware > monitoring. It seems to work a lot better with software monitoring on > but then the sound gets doubled since I can't figure out how to turn > off the hardware monitoring on the EMI 2|6 without affecting the Live > output. You can use one Live track for "audio input" and set that track to "no output". Then you route the audio to another track where you do the looping. Live 4 is deep, you can route streams in many ways to achieve different functions. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 12:59:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CGute14768; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP 8th replacement FUN Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:58:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1c9.1e7aa7be.2e747bb0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Ted! This EDP feature is actually one I learnt from Andy Butler. That particular cheesy sound is created by dynamically reducing the volume of the guitar during the insert. Another example changing to half speed and the delay (synced via MIDI) follows after a short hiccup: http://nosuch.biz/soundz/8thsHalfspeed.mp3 And another one, for the fun of it: http://nosuch.biz/soundz/8thReplLoop.wav Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Samstag, 11. September 2004 18:03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP 8th replacement FUN Bernhard, In a message dated 9/11/04 12:22:28 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: http://nosuch.biz/soundz/8threplace.mp3 Cool! Looking forward to hearing more in Santa Cruz. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 15:03:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CJ1ne29856; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:01:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7C475167-04EE-11D9-8358-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: OT: Mounting hardware Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:03:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to re-configure my home studio. What I've discovered is that my existing A-fame Ultimate Support Systems keyboard stand works moderately well using the rails to hold rack mount equipment at a slight angle. Moderately well, but not great since that isn't what it's built for. My goal is to have something where I can sit in the middle with my guitar and have equipment wrap around me within reasonable arm's reach. What I'm realizing I think I want is something like a good drum rack but instead of mounting drums I want rack rails for mounting loopers, effects processors, synths, mixers, etc.. Does anyone make such a beast or the hardware to build one? As a fallback, can one get real rack rails for something like a keyboard stand? Thanks. Mark P.S. On the portable rig front, I'm looking at the SKB Mini Gig rigs. Any opinions? The specs make them sound heavy which lessens the attractiveness. I'd also like to find a good way to tilt them up so that I can have it on the floor and still readily see the equipment. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 17:35:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CLXvv15585; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c4990d$9d78c9e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <7C475167-04EE-11D9-8358-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Subject: Re: Mounting hardware Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an amp stand like this one: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/450052/ to hold a 6 space Road Ready rack in front of me. Works great - the faceplates of the rack units end up at exactly the right height and angle to see and even twiddle if I need to. The picture/description of that amp stand don't tell you the whole story - you can flip the support bars around so that the longer legs are the bottom and the shorter legs are the back. Perfect for holding my rack box. I can imagine that it would work well with multiple units as well. A couple of these, each with 6-8 rack units on top, and you'd have a Star Trek command center going! Dunno if that helps - but I highly recommend giving it a shot. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: OT: Mounting hardware > I'm trying to re-configure my home studio. What I've discovered is that > my existing A-fame Ultimate Support Systems keyboard stand works > moderately well using the rails to hold rack mount equipment at a > slight angle. Moderately well, but not great since that isn't what it's > built for. > > My goal is to have something where I can sit in the middle with my > guitar and have equipment wrap around me within reasonable arm's reach. > > What I'm realizing I think I want is something like a good drum rack > but instead of mounting drums I want rack rails for mounting loopers, > effects processors, synths, mixers, etc.. Does anyone make such a beast > or the hardware to build one? > > As a fallback, can one get real rack rails for something like a > keyboard stand? > > Thanks. > Mark > > P.S. On the portable rig front, I'm looking at the SKB Mini Gig rigs. > Any opinions? The specs make them sound heavy which lessens the > attractiveness. I'd also like to find a good way to tilt them up so > that I can have it on the floor and still readily see the equipment. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:19:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CMGiQ21504; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040912221601.88273.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mounting hardware To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c4990d$9d78c9e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a pair of x-type keyboard stands (one double braced for the heavier rack, the other a lighter single-braced one) because I play standing up. I have seen people use the same type of stand seated, with their racks stuck diagonally in the V of the stand. I had tried to use one of the platform stands (like this one: to hold both racks, but it was too wobbly for me, and so it has replaced the stand I used to use to hold my lap steel, flutes, slides, eBow, cello bow, capos, microcassette player, walkie talkies, etc... The pedalboards fit nicely under it, although it has kind of created an interference for the Theremin that I need to solve. In order to set up more quickly, I often use dolly boards under the stands so that I can have my rig partially set up off to the side and then wheel it into place. (These dolly boards are also used to roll the gear that doesn't have its own wheels about during load-in/out; they're carpeted plywood with 2" casters. ) I did modify the double-braced stand; the rack DOES fit onto it at the correct height without the modification, but it's right on the edge, and once while setting it up I placed the rack about 3/4" off center and it fell into the center of the stand catching one of my fingers in the rack handle right before I was about to play. (This is a 10 over 8 rack, so it's fairly bulky, and it hurt, and I said words not usually heard when the vicar comes to tea.) So that stand now has a pivoting piece of carpeted plywood on it, making it essentially a folding, portable table which holds the rack and minimizes fingernail blood blisters and expletives. -t- --- Doug Cox wrote: > I use an amp stand like this one: > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/450052/ > to hold a 6 space Road Ready rack in front of me. > From: "Mark Hamburg" > > I'm trying to re-configure my home studio.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:19:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CMI2I21828; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:18:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <972B1EF4-0509-11D9-AAE3-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> From: soam Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:17:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8CMHsa21778 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 12, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Over here I'm getting more and more comfortable with Live 4, but I > practically never record loops into Live (as clips), because I too > like seamless loops and being able to change the loops from my > instrument playing, while the loops are spinning. ´What I do is to > record loops into a looping plug-in that uses Live 4 as the host > application. Right now I'm into Augustus Loop (OS X) but Lexicon PSP > 42 (PC + Mac) will also do the job. I have the Augustus Loop demo and I love it so far.I haven't tried to incorporate it into live looping though. When recording a clip into Live Is there a way for the loop to start playing right after you stop the recording? > If recording loops directly into Live, as clips, you can actually > change speed and pitch. But these are so called sample or clip > parameters and can not be addressed from external midi controllers. > That's a big bummer that, yes. > > Can't you just use an external pedal such as the FCB1010 that I use for the tap tempo? I know that one works with the computer's keys. Also, can't you use an expression pedal for the pitch? >> There seems to be latency issues with the Emagic EMI 2|6 and Live 4.01 >> The sound comes in too late if I use "latency-free" hardware >> monitoring. It seems to work a lot better with software monitoring on >> but then the sound gets doubled since I can't figure out how to turn >> off the hardware monitoring on the EMI 2|6 without affecting the Live >> output. > > > You can use one Live track for "audio input" and set that track to "no > output". Then you route the audio to another track where you do the > looping. Live 4 is deep, you can route streams in many ways to achieve > different functions. > Hmm...I'm gonna have to check this out. Something is up with Emagic EMI 2|6 audio interface along with Live. It was unusable in Live 2. Tack så mycket. Erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8CMq3G25303; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <972B1EF4-0509-11D9-AAE3-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> <972B1EF4-0509-11D9-AAE3-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <39068702-050E-11D9-AFCD-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:51:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8CMp9a25204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 13, 2004, at 0:17, soam wrote: > When recording a clip into Live Is there a way for the loop to start > playing right after you stop the recording? Yes. If you open Live's preferences and set the default launch mode to "trigger". > Can't you just use an external pedal such as the FCB1010 that I use > for the tap tempo? Sure! Just assign the midi event sent from the pedal to the TAP button in Live. (Click on the "MIDI" button in the upper right conrner. Click the TAP button in the upper left corner. Step on your midi pedal. Click MIDI again to get out of midi learn mode) > Also, can't you use an expression pedal for the pitch? No. I thought I wrote that? Sample and clip parameters can't be manipulated at all by external midi. But if you find a pitch plug-in you can modulate the plug-in from an expression pedal. Live's Grain Delay have a pitch parameter that can be controlled by a midi expression pedal. But this plug-in is not designed for proper pitch shifting and keeps adding its own sound to the audio. Maybe Chopitch would sound better http://www.chopitch.com/ > Hmm...I'm gonna have to check this out. Something is up with Emagic > EMI 2|6 audio interface along with Live. It was unusable in Live 2. Hmmmm.... well, it's USB. The fastest protocol for a sound card is PCI (or PCMCIA as it's called for laptops). Then comes Firwire 800 (only available on some Mac machines), then comes Firewire 400 and finally comes USB, just a little bit slower than FW 400. > Tack så mycket. > Erland Ingen orsak. Nöjet är på min sida. Lycka till! (...what the heck are these guys saying?) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 22:07:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8D25Vr14630; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <39068702-050E-11D9-AFCD-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> <972B1EF4-0509-11D9-AAE3-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> <39068702-050E-11D9-AFCD-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <412E48C4-0529-11D9-A95E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:04:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Also, can't you use an expression pedal for the pitch? > > No. I thought I wrote that? Sample and clip parameters can't be > manipulated at all by external midi. But if you find a pitch plug-in > you can modulate the plug-in from an expression pedal. Live's Grain > Delay have a pitch parameter that can be controlled by a midi > expression pedal. But this plug-in is not designed for proper pitch > shifting and keeps adding its own sound to the audio. Maybe Chopitch > would sound better > http://www.chopitch.com/ > Well I don't think you mentioned specifically the "sample and clip parameters". You said you couldn't change the speed as well so I suppose I should have assumed you were talking about the previously mentioned parameters. That's too bad that these aren't controllable by MIDI. Is there any explanation for that? Anyone out there from Ableton reading this? It would also be extremely great to be able to have clips created by themselves after one cycle of a loop is recorded. >> Hmm...I'm gonna have to check this out. Something is up with Emagic >> EMI 2|6 audio interface along with Live. It was unusable in Live 2. > > Hmmmm.... well, it's USB. The fastest protocol for a sound card is PCI > (or PCMCIA as it's called for laptops). Then comes Firwire 800 (only > available on some Mac machines), then comes Firewire 400 and finally > comes USB, just a little bit slower than FW 400. > I tried it on my Echo Layla24 (PCI). I'm having recording latency problems with this interface as well. For example, if I record a click and play it back with regular click you can hear a delay. In the preferences the latency compensation does add up to 0ms. Tack igen. Kul att prata med en svensk. erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 23:48:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8D3kU624777; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:45:37 -0400 Subject: Dear Portland Loopers... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3177877537_1356204" Resent-Message-ID: <-0m4YC.A.9_F.tfRRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3177877537_1356204 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I and my band Ethel will be in Portland doing two gigs, one on the 14th and one on the 15th, would love to meet any friends from the list. Though ethe= l is not doing any specific looping pieces, I=B9d love to try to attend a looping a gig of yours and invite you to ours if it all worked out... Portland Institute of Contemporary Art. Email me off list if you want to be in contact. All best, Todd --B_3177877537_1356204 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Portland Loopers... I and my band Ethel wi= ll be in Portland doing two gigs, one on the 14th and one on the 15th, would= love to meet any friends from the list.  Though ethel is not doing any= specific looping pieces, I’d love to try to attend a looping a gig of= yours and invite you to ours if it all worked out...

Portland Institute of Contemporary Art.  

Email me off list if you want to be in contact.

All best,

Todd

 --B_3177877537_1356204-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 04:04:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8D81JC16514; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <412E48C4-0529-11D9-A95E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <002801c498aa$3fd93bc0$6401a8c0@geetar> <23C6F1D8-04C3-11D9-96AF-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> <972B1EF4-0509-11D9-AAE3-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> <39068702-050E-11D9-AFCD-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> <412E48C4-0529-11D9-A95E-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:00:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <3tB0lB.A.SBE.rOVRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 13, 2004, at 4:04, soam wrote: >> >>> Also, can't you use an expression pedal for the pitch? >> Sample and clip parameters can't be manipulated at all by external >> midi.That's too bad that these aren't controllable by MIDI. Is there >> any explanation for that? No. It has been wished for many times at the Ableton forum. I also brought it up during the intensive beta testing of version 4 and many testers chimed in. But no feedback from Ableton were given. I got the impression that they simply have too much work already. > It would also be extremely great to be able to have clips created by > themselves after one cycle of a loop is recorded. But that feature is almost already there! In the preferences, go to the Misc tab and activate "Select Next Scene on Launch" and "Start Recording on Scene Launch". Then assign a midi foot pedal to "Slect Scene" (or whatever it's called, the left of the symbols on the Master channel strip in the Session View). It's riight under the "Stop Clips" symbol but you only see it when in midi learn or midi key mode. You can also assign pedals to the up and down navigating function. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 04:25:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8D8O6419028; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: zurrigo Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:26:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last Saturday I had the pleasure to meet and hear zurrigo alias Philipp Zürcher (http://www.mem.li/e/start_e.html) live in Zürich. He invited me after I announced my gig on this list. This was his last gig in Switzerland before he'll be going on tour in England: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_ukposter.jpg http://www.mem.li/e/ei/projects_e.html He's been using the Echoplex since around 1997. Zurrigo has quite a jazzy approach and works a lot with polyrhythm. He kept the (looping layperson) audience fascinated through all three sets presenting an ascetic, no-frills, lusty guitar sound and a very personal musical language. He uses a yamaha semi hollowbody guitar, fender amp (Hot Rod Deluxe, I believe), Oberheim EDP with Loop IV, dbx 1066 compressor. I absolutely had to buy a minidisc after his gig and have been listening to it several times in a row this morning. Hot stuff! All England-based Loopers: Don't miss him! Bernhard (back to listening zurrigo 12/44) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 05:08:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8D95xW23896; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 05:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 05:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040913090512.75494.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Dear Portland Loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <617UCC.A.N0F.OLWRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which Portland? --- todd reynolds wrote: > I and my band Ethel will be in Portland... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 07:49:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8DBitI09685; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:43:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Dear Portland Loopers... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040913090512.75494.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How silly of me... Oregon T. On 9/13/04 5:05 AM, "Tim Nelson" wrote: > Which Portland? > > --- todd reynolds wrote: > >> I and my band Ethel will be in Portland... > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 10:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8DEPt228035; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:25:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040913142505.13342.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: New tour with California Guitar Trio (gig spam) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46D19114-03BA-11D9-BDD4-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, Looking forward to seeing you play here again. Don't forget to bring your latest CD. I'll also pick up Jimbo's if you bring his as well. Paolo --- Tom Griesgraber wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just wanted to pass along that I'll be opening for > the Fall CGT tour, > with Repeater in tow. Mine will be relatively short > sets everynight.. > but I usually do about 50% "live" tunes and 50% live > tunes with > looping. (The live portion being Chapman Stick; > clean, fx, synth, > etc). > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 11:37:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8DFYZk03549; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040913153352.60642.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004701c4964d$9d5a3740$a59efe91@synthhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Based on your post, the EH16 can be used in active or passive looper mode. If you turn the Feedback slider all the way up, it will continously loop everything it has recorded, up to its internal memory limit (around 4 min.), while also overdubbing anything you play into it or what it "hears" coming from itself (feedback). For example, I can use the Fine slider to pitch shift the loop down for a pseudo-Whammy effect and it will overdub the pseudo-Whammy effect. It can also only overdub when you want it to. I am still learning how to get it to overdub until I hit the Record button again to stop overdubbing as opposed to letting it automatically overdub a set number of bars then automatically stopping overdubbing, as determined by the Coarse slider. The EH16, like any device, has its idiosyncracies. It doesn't always behave as I expect it too. I can't tell at this stage whether its because of my lack of sufficient familiarty with the device or a bug of some sort. Paolo --- wavecomputer360 wrote: > Sorry for bothering you with things already > discussed. I´m thinking of buying one of the > reissues and I would like to know whether the 16SD > is an active or a passive looper. I mean by > "passive" that the looper can be connected to a > group or aux out on the console and will loop > continously once the loop length has been determined > (like the Jamman or the EDP do in Delay mode). By > "active" I mean a device that needs to be instructed > any time I want it to record or overdub a previously > defined loop (like the Repeater, the DL-4 loop > recorder function or the Boss RC-20 do). I prefer > having passive loop devices around that allow me to > spontaneously run stuff into them for creating > random loops, I don´t really need phrase samplers. > Is the 16SD just another phrase sampler with some > added bells and whistles, or is it also usable like > an EDP in delay mode? > > TIA, > > Stephen. > > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this > planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." > (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 12:18:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8DG5BF07090; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: List Member Tom on tour with California Guitar Trio (gig spam) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:03:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20040913142505.13342.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcSZngO/5sKD+gUbQ/qoNgRpOf6izQADFIUg Message-Id: <20040913160317.CTIL27649.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Griesgraber wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just wanted to pass along that I'll be opening for the Fall CGT tour, > with Repeater in tow. Mine will be relatively short sets everynight.. > but I usually do about 50% "live" tunes and 50% live tunes with > looping. (The live portion being Chapman Stick; clean, fx, synth, > etc). > I caught this tour here in San Diego at the end of August, and was struck with how seamlessly Tom transitions out of his loops. As I recall, one of his techniques is to have a theme stated before he exits into loopland, which he then restates to exit from the looped material--thus the continuity. It helps that he is playing a two handed instrument, and can create such a fully balanced sound. CGT was good, it was the first time I had seen them--and Tony Levin on bass, also the first time I had seen him live. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 17:23:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8DLLTO14109; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:21:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1095106757.414600c5747c1@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:19:17 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, September 18th, 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 207.20.3.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine is returning from it's three month summer hiatus! On Saturday, September 18th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, Craig Latta and myself (Chris Roberts), on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, September 18th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: http://www.atomomach.com. We finally got moved to the new server, but still haven't gotten the mp3's updated. Please email me if you are interested in obtaining any of the recordings until then. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 17:42:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8DLdnv17485; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200409121554.i8CFsbT07835@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409121554.i8CFsbT07835@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ECF1152-05CD-11D9-8571-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:39:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, at the risk of trumpeting my own wares - you could have a look at my looping plug-in, to which I've just added some Live-friendly sync features. http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html That said I could still do with some vociferous live-loopers to back me up with some enhancements requests I'm badgering Ableton about. :) cheers, os. On 12 Sep 2004, at 16:54, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: soam > Date: 12 September 2004 14:53:34 BST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Ableton Live As A Live Looper > > > I've Been trying to use Live along with the Behringer MIDI foot pedal > as a live looper and it's just not working like I was hoping it would. > > I have a Line6 which I love. I was hoping it would be like this pedal > but that I could have more than one track and also be able to do > everything else you can do in live, ie. change the speed. > > How do you guys have Live set up? > > I have it on the default "trigger" setting. I can't get seamless > loops. Maybe it's because I have it on "trigger", maybe it's latency, > maybe it's cause I'm not used to playing to click when it comes to > live looping. > > if you guys could help me get this working I would really appreciate > it. > > Thanks a lot, > > Erland > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 21:16:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8E1AK811570; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Freelily3@aol.com Message-ID: <144.33944cd2.2e779ecc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:09:32 EDT Subject: gibson echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_144.33944cd2.2e779ecc_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_144.33944cd2.2e779ecc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm thinking of purchasing a gibson echoplex with version lll software from someone in another city. Is there anyone in the Los Angeles area who has an echoplex that I could see in person? --part1_144.33944cd2.2e779ecc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi
I'm thinking of purchasing a gibson echoplex with version lll software from=20= someone in another city. Is there anyone in the Los Angeles area who has an=20= echoplex that I could see in person? --part1_144.33944cd2.2e779ecc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 22:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8E292k19326; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913201804.09257840@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:53:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper In-Reply-To: <5ECF1152-05CD-11D9-8571-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> References: <200409121554.i8CFsbT07835@hemlock.violacea.com> <5ECF1152-05CD-11D9-8571-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:39 PM 9/13/2004, Os wrote: >at the risk of trumpeting my own wares - you could have a look at my >looping plug-in, to which I've just added some Live-friendly sync features. > >http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html > >That said I could still do with some vociferous live-loopers to back me up >with some enhancements requests I'm badgering Ableton about. :) Well, since they finally integrated MIDI, I took the plunge and picked up Live 4 a few days ago (seriously kewl, BTW). And based on Per's raves here regarding Augustus Loop as a looping plug, I went over and plunked down my twenty for that tonight. Seriously, $20 is such a bargain for this great little widget. Although I've now got to integrate it with my setup (read: figure out how to use it. my wife just asked me if I were strangling cats; gotta remember to set Inertia to 0). Os, about which features do you need help badgering Ableton? I'm only just learning the software, but if you need help piling on, let us know which features/bugs in particular they need to iron out. I'm sure there are more than a few here who'd be happy to help. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 04:00:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8E7wv423355; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001401c49a2f$a98c4860$4ca1fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040913153352.60642.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:51:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paolo, thanks for this comprehensive insight. Now, how properly does the EH loop? Does it loop continuously like the EDP, or does it loop like a Repeater or the RC-20 (i. e. phrase-based)? Are there audible glitches or hiccups when loops come to an end? TIA, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question > Based on your post, the EH16 can be used in active or > passive looper mode. If you turn the Feedback slider > all the way up, it will continously loop everything it > has recorded, up to its internal memory limit (around > 4 min.), while also overdubbing anything you play into > it or what it "hears" coming from itself (feedback). > For example, I can use the Fine slider to pitch shift > the loop down for a pseudo-Whammy effect and it will > overdub the pseudo-Whammy effect. > > It can also only overdub when you want it to. I am > still learning how to get it to overdub until I hit > the Record button again to stop overdubbing as opposed > to letting it automatically overdub a set number of > bars then automatically stopping overdubbing, as > determined by the Coarse slider. > > The EH16, like any device, has its idiosyncracies. It > doesn't always behave as I expect it too. I can't tell > at this stage whether its because of my lack of > sufficient familiarty with the device or a bug of some > sort. > > Paolo > > > --- wavecomputer360 wrote: > > > Sorry for bothering you with things already > > discussed. I´m thinking of buying one of the > > reissues and I would like to know whether the 16SD > > is an active or a passive looper. I mean by > > "passive" that the looper can be connected to a > > group or aux out on the console and will loop > > continously once the loop length has been determined > > (like the Jamman or the EDP do in Delay mode). By > > "active" I mean a device that needs to be instructed > > any time I want it to record or overdub a previously > > defined loop (like the Repeater, the DL-4 loop > > recorder function or the Boss RC-20 do). I prefer > > having passive loop devices around that allow me to > > spontaneously run stuff into them for creating > > random loops, I don´t really need phrase samplers. > > Is the 16SD just another phrase sampler with some > > added bells and whistles, or is it also usable like > > an EDP in delay mode? > > > > TIA, > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this > > planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." > > (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at > www.doombient.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 08:29:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ECQPY14978; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:26:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:26:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: [Gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, September 18th, 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:12 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C137123@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, September 18th, 2004 Thread-Index: AcSZ19PiIoPgyVtJRuuM4FvTcAVIDAAfg0fQ From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2004 12:25:13.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2438530:01C49A55] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8ECPia14907 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: cpr@musetrap.com [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, September 18th, 2004 Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine is returning from it's three month summer hiatus! On Saturday, September 18th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, Craig Latta and myself (Chris Roberts), on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, September 18th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: http://www.atomomach.com. We finally got moved to the new server, but still haven't gotten the mp3's updated. Please email me if you are interested in obtaining any of the recordings until then. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 08:54:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ECoZO17583; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040914124951.89101.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c49a2f$a98c4860$4ca1fe91@synthhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stephen, I have never used an EDP, Repeater, or RC-20, so I cannot compare the EH16 to any of them. I am not sure now what you mean by "loop continuously". I thought you were asking if the EH16 will replay a loop over and over until you hit the Bypass button. The answer is "yes" if you have the Feedback slider pushed all the way up. Can you build up a massive (though mono) soundscape by overdubbing line after line after line onto the same loop? Yes. Can you loop some guitar chords, then plug in a wind controller and overdub some synth tuba and flute lines, while keeping the loop running, then switch back to guitar and play a rock guitar solo on top without overdubbing the solo? Yes. Can you use the EH16 as a delay unit only (no looping)? Yes. I have not noticed any glitches or hiccups when the end of the loop is reached. Does this help? Paolo --- wavecomputer360 wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > thanks for this comprehensive insight. Now, how > properly does the EH loop? > Does it loop continuously like the EDP, or does it > loop like a Repeater or > the RC-20 (i. e. phrase-based)? Are there audible > glitches or hiccups when > loops come to an end? > > TIA, > > Stephen. > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this > planet, you´re a plague. And > we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at > www.doombient.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question > > > > Based on your post, the EH16 can be used in active > or > > passive looper mode. If you turn the Feedback > slider > > all the way up, it will continously loop > everything it > > has recorded, up to its internal memory limit > (around > > 4 min.), while also overdubbing anything you play > into > > it or what it "hears" coming from itself > (feedback). > > For example, I can use the Fine slider to pitch > shift > > the loop down for a pseudo-Whammy effect and it > will > > overdub the pseudo-Whammy effect. > > > > It can also only overdub when you want it to. I > am > > still learning how to get it to overdub until I > hit > > the Record button again to stop overdubbing as > opposed > > to letting it automatically overdub a set number > of > > bars then automatically stopping overdubbing, as > > determined by the Coarse slider. > > > > The EH16, like any device, has its idiosyncracies. > It > > doesn't always behave as I expect it too. I can't > tell > > at this stage whether its because of my lack of > > sufficient familiarty with the device or a bug of > some > > sort. > > > > Paolo > > > > > > --- wavecomputer360 > wrote: > > > > > Sorry for bothering you with things already > > > discussed. I´m thinking of buying one of the > > > reissues and I would like to know whether the > 16SD > > > is an active or a passive looper. I mean by > > > "passive" that the looper can be connected to a > > > group or aux out on the console and will loop > > > continously once the loop length has been > determined > > > (like the Jamman or the EDP do in Delay mode). > By > > > "active" I mean a device that needs to be > instructed > > > any time I want it to record or overdub a > previously > > > defined loop (like the Repeater, the DL-4 loop > > > recorder function or the Boss RC-20 do). I > prefer > > > having passive loop devices around that allow me > to > > > spontaneously run stuff into them for creating > > > random loops, I don´t really need phrase > samplers. > > > Is the 16SD just another phrase sampler with > some > > > added bells and whistles, or is it also usable > like > > > an EDP in delay mode? > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this > > > planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." > > > (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > > > > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at > > www.doombient.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 10:05:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EE2ww25753; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question In-Reply-To: <20040914124951.89101.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I have not noticed any glitches or hiccups when the end of the loop is reached. While techinically this is true in my experience as well I feel for those of us who are used to something like the DL4, EDP, etc that loop when YOU say the loop ends using the new 16second can be a bitch. As a result I find it hard *not* to get a loop to "glitch". The new 16 sets the time of the loop based on slider position not when you step on/off on the pedal. As a result if you don't get the loop *just* right you will NOT get a continuous clean loop but rather a loop with some spillover from the next or previous measure. You have two blinking lights to indicate when this is coming up. Technically there is a click track but it is inaudible and I find it absolutely useless. Obviously many loopers have adjusted to this new style. I personally find it so off-putting I have the damn thing on the shelf and am working with other gear that is perhaps not as flexible but more user friendly to my style. D_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 11:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EFMWC01547; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:22:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Staion question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:21:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is pitch shifting of recorded loops available with a Boss RC-20 Loop Station? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 11:50:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EFbXM03242; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:36:50 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Loop Staion question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/14/04 8:22:25 AM, per@boysen.se writes: << Is pitch shifting of recorded loops available with a Boss RC-20 Loop Station? >> Hi I'm not sure about the new upgrade but the old version of RC20 does not have a speed variable. It will do reverse but no pitch change. I run mine thru a Kaoss pad or Boss PS-5 Supershifter to change pitch. cheers BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 12:41:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EGaLP10842; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Staion question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:35:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, I was just checking the specs of the new RC20 XL, No pitch shifting but it will do time stretch (slow down or speed up tempo without effecting pitch. It also has a full 16 minutes of storable memory! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Staion question Is pitch shifting of recorded loops available with a Boss RC-20 Loop Station? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 13:32:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EHTMA17091; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: Circular Logic In-Time, live midi clock sync possibilities Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:33:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <026d01c4981c$e4abd830$6401a8c0@geetar> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.162.117.141] at Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:28:45 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Griff, I'm the developer with the Circular Logic software InTime. Yes, you can set InTime up to follow a live drummer, either by using mic's and audio-to-midi software, or by using relatively inexpensive drum triggers - there's a discussion about setting up InTime with a drummer on our site: http://www.circular-logic.com/docs/Drummer_setup_tips.html As for Live, I've been messing with it myself for doing the kind of tempo-changing live-looping you're talking about - really cool software. The InTime video demo on our site actually uses Live to playback loops with tempo-changing while I play guitar: http://www.circular-logic.com/videos.html You've probably read already in this list that the setup for remote control in Live is awkward in some ways, and I recommend using Control Aid to simplify any midi-trigger setup you use. Ableton Live will do all the time-stretching, really nicely, like you hope, but there are two catches when using it with something like InTime 1) Live doesn't get the "warp points" (the sync points) of a loop correctly when the loop is recorded while the tempo is changing. So, if you record while InTime is changing the tempo, the loop doesn't play back in sync after you've finished recording it. I've tested this problem by using sources of tempo change other than InTime, and it's an oversight in Live's programming. It should be relatively easy for them to fix - since Live always know the tempo and the location of the beat during recording, it should be able to set the warp points using this information. Instead, after you record a loop while the tempo is changing, Live seems to treat it as a loop with overall steady tempo, and thus gets the warp points wrong. I've told Ableton about this problem, but if you were also to let them know that this is a drawback for you, it might help speed them along their way to fixing it. :) I posted a message about this in the user forum a couple months back if you want to look at it in more detail, or just ask me. It's pretty easy to workarond this, though - you can setup a midi trigger to disable/enable InTime's tempo-tracking, then when you want to record a loop you first disable the tracking so that InTime runs at a steady tempo, then reenable it when you want to jam and have the drummer control the tempo. 2) Live averages the incoming midi clocks over about 2 beats, so its response to tempo changes from InTime is somewhat dulled, but still very functional, as you can see in the video demo on our site. InTime for Mac OS X is still in public beta, but I'm readying it for release as we speak and it will be available soon. Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers, Michael >Are there any mac users with experience with Circular Logic "In-Time" >software? I'm also looking at KTDrum Trigger and Control Aid. > >I'm a guitarist, mac OSX user, and I want to be able to record audio >live onstage, store it in the computer, and play it back whenever I need >it during the song. > >That part seems easy enough, but I want to keep the tempo of the >recorded audio/midi/whatever in sync with the live performance of the >band onstage. > >For example, the live band starts playing a song onstage without a click >track or any headphones, etc... > >1- The software "listens" to the audio input from a mic or trigger on >the drum kit and interprets a tempo and creates a midi sync master >clock. > >2- I hit a pedal to start recording, play a guitar part and then hit a >pedal again to store it for later playback. It's very important to me >that the recording in & out points are quantized automatically based on >the midi clock sync. > >3- The band keeps playing... I want that original guitar riff back in >again on top of what is now happening later in the song. > >4- I hit another pedal- the original riff comes back in perfect sync, >even though the band may have sped up or slowed down slightly. Whatever >needs to be done to the original riff (timequeezing, etc) happens >automatically. > >Would Ableton Live 4 be the best host for this scenario? > >My drummer is incredibly gifted. His timing is killer. I want to have >the midi clock follow the live band in realtime. > >Does this sound doable? Has anyone pulled this off already? > >I crave some feedback, because I'm a guitarist, not a software engineer. >I know what I want to do, but I'm afraid there's a big, lonely >learning-curve. > >Thanks to all, > >Griff Peters >www.griffpeters.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:26:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EIEhr22154; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Freelily3@aol.com Message-ID: <80.160625d2.2e788e93@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:12:35 EDT Subject: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.160625d2.2e788e93_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_80.160625d2.2e788e93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone tried the new Boss RC20XL? If so, is it comparable to a Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live performance setting? --part1_80.160625d2.2e788e93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone tried the new Boss RC20X= L? If so, is it comparable to a Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live pe= rformance setting? --part1_80.160625d2.2e788e93_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EIX5a24915; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040914183238.32091.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Legion wrote: > The new 16 sets the time of the loop based on slider > position not when you > step on/off on the pedal. As a result if you don't > get the loop *just* > right you will NOT get a continuous clean loop but > rather a loop with some > spillover from the next or previous measure. You > have two blinking lights > to indicate when this is coming up. Technically > there is a click track but > it is inaudible and I find it absolutely useless. Good point and I too find the click track virtually inaudible. Prospective buyers of any looper device need to evalutate the device based on their musical needs. I find the EH16 is a step up from my DL4 as an instrument for use with our free-improv oriented trio. The EH16, for the $400+shipping I paid for it, works fine enough for this purpose - a more expensive device would have been overkill. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:39:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EIbXo26116; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c49a89$12d45980$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: <80.160625d2.2e788e93@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:31:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a original one, but I will say no, it is NOT easier in the case = of the XL because it is in the same casing. The footswitch system boss = uses stinks for looping till you get used to it, and at that point is = only "okay". Nothing more. Prepare to spend the first while getting = use to closing loops a little early. Shane ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Freelily3@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: Boss RC20XL Has anyone tried the new Boss RC20XL? If so, is it comparable to a = Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live performance setting? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a original one, but I will say = no, it is NOT=20 easier in the case of the XL because it is in the same casing.  The = footswitch system boss uses stinks for looping till you get used to it, = and at=20 that point is only "okay".  Nothing more.  Prepare to spend = the first=20 while getting use to closing loops a little early.

Shane
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Freelily3@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, = 2004 2:12=20 PM
Subject: Boss RC20XL

Has anyone tried the new Boss = RC20XL? If so, is=20 it comparable to a Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live = performance=20 setting? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:41:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EIcnI26455; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c49a89$0bcabe90$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: <80.160625d2.2e788e93@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:31:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a original one, but I will say no, it is NOT easier in the case = of the XL because it is in the same casing. The footswitch system boss = uses stinks for looping till you get used to it, and at that point is = only "okay". Nothing more. Prepare to spend the first while getting = use to closing loops a little early. Shane ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Freelily3@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: Boss RC20XL Has anyone tried the new Boss RC20XL? If so, is it comparable to a = Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live performance setting? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a original one, but I will say = no, it is NOT=20 easier in the case of the XL because it is in the same casing.  The = footswitch system boss uses stinks for looping till you get used to it, = and at=20 that point is only "okay".  Nothing more.  Prepare to spend = the first=20 while getting use to closing loops a little early.

Shane
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Freelily3@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, = 2004 2:12=20 PM
Subject: Boss RC20XL

Has anyone tried the new Boss = RC20XL? If so, is=20 it comparable to a Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live = performance=20 setting? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C49A67.84851640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:56:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EIs5929122; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:54:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Freelily3@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.2a73f061.2e789816@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:53:10 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e9.2a73f061.2e789816_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e9.2a73f061.2e789816_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks shane so does the RC20 make some audible sound when ending loops? have you used an echoplex? --part1_1e9.2a73f061.2e789816_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks shane
so does the RC20 make some audible sound when ending loops? have you used an= echoplex? --part1_1e9.2a73f061.2e789816_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 15:02:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EJ0jZ29975; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:00:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC20XL Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:59:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-To: <001401c49a89$12d45980$6802a8c0@blah> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSainc/V/mC0E4KRiO0rCeyYlbhJAAAe13Q Message-Id: <20040914190001.IIJV26221.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <85aOY.A.hTH.5-zRBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shane wrote: I have a original one, but I will say no, it is NOT easier in the case of the XL because it is in the same casing. The footswitch system boss uses stinks for looping till you get used to it, and at that point is only "okay". Nothing more. Prepare to spend the first while getting use to closing loops a little early. -----> I took out the springs and cut them in half--that made it easier to create the right loop time. This thing is cool for what it is; it IS NOT an Echoplex Digital Pro. ----- Original Message ----- From: Freelily3@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: Boss RC20XL Has anyone tried the new Boss RC20XL? If so, is it comparable to a Gibson Echoplex for ease of use in a live performance setting? Also, Paolo wrote: Prospective buyers of any looper device need to evalutate the device based on their musical needs. ------->And that's the cool thing about the EDP--it is open ended enough to allow not just what you need but also happy accidents--and what is life without inspiration? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 15:23:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EJJnb32369; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Freelily3@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.33caa72b.2e789e21@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:18:57 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.33caa72b.2e789e21_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6d.33caa72b.2e789e21_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for the info --part1_6d.33caa72b.2e789e21_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for the info --part1_6d.33caa72b.2e789e21_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 16:23:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EKLKa09145; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040914202040.92183.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Loop Staion question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, but I often post-process mine. -t- --- Per Boysen wrote: > Is pitch shifting of recorded loops available with a > Boss RC-20 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 16:28:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EKQ6r10066; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:26:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:26:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040914202537.62436.qmail@web40714.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c49a89$0bcabe90$6802a8c0@blah> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- shane wrote: >The footswitch system boss uses stinks > for looping till you get used to it, The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. Anyone know if this is still the same in the XL? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 17:08:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EL34Q14304; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:03:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:03:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200409141839.i8EId7o26614@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409141839.i8EId7o26614@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5354C106-0691-11D9-BE5E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:02:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mech > > Os, about which features do you need help badgering Ableton? I'm only > just learning the software, but if you need help piling on, let us > know which features/bugs in particular they need to iron out. I'm > sure there are more than a few here who'd be happy to help. Hi, thanks for your kind words about my plug-in. The stuff I added in v1.1.0 of my software let's you control Live's transport from the plug-in's loop stop/start buttons, and optionally sync up the tempo too. What I want from Ableton are a couple of small changes/additional options in Live that would make the initial tempo lock-up much tighter. Because right now they assume incoming MIDI clock is coming from an external hardware device, they apply some fairly strong smoothing to the incoming tempo. This means that when you get a sudden change in tempo (like you do when you start a new loop, because the tempo is unknown before the loop ends) the software takes a little while to get in step. Now because the MIDI clock from Augustus Loop is generated and timestamped within the same computer as Live, its timing is exactly accurate and needs no smoothing. So I'd like Ableton to make the smoothing optional. The other option would be for them to make the External Clock activation button automatable via MIDI, which for some reason it's not right now. Then I could construct some workaround to drop Live in and out of MIDI sync and set the tempo via a MIDI controller. If anyone using my software feels that these changes would improve matters for them (and I appreciate that we're probably talking about a fairly niche group in terms of Live users worldwide here), do let Ableton know. Maybe if enough people ask for this stuff they'll add it. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 17:13:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EL9af15086; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:09:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:08:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040914202537.62436.qmail@web40714.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- shane wrote: >> The footswitch system boss uses stinks >> for looping till you get used to it, > > The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to > hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a > loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. > > Anyone know if this is still the same in the XL? > > -t- hold on now...two(2) FULL seconds? that aint shite :-) looping w/ my trustee PCM42s when i quit a loop i have to wait for the whole length of the loop(up to 20sec.) to dump before startin up again! know any in between loop jokes/banter? seeya s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 17:30:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ELRat18031; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:26:48 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/14/04 1:26:02 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: << The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. >> Why not simply turn the phrase select knob to a new slot? Or better, if you don't mind another pedal cluttering things up you can use a pedal to switch the phrase slot thus avoiding stooping that spoils the performer's heroic profile. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 17:42:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ELenf20764; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:40:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41476452.1020806@mem.li> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:36:18 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zurrigo References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020103020303080301090406" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------020103020303080301090406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello everyone - I don't know if this is a common practice on the list, but anyway: thanx bernhard for your review of my zurich gig and the preview of my u. k. tour I have actually been using the plex for quite a long time - if you happen to be interested in the "early solo stuff" (published on FMR CD64-V0799) featuring an acoustic (Lowden) Guitar and my "blonde" EDP, here's a couple of samples: theme: http://www.mem.li/mp3/highahoy.mp3 improvisation: http://www.mem.li/mp3/rwanda.mp3 the "new solo stuff" can be downloaded at: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html hope to see you in england: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/news_e.html yours phil "zurrigo" zuercher Bernhard Wagner wrote: >Last Saturday I had the pleasure to meet and hear zurrigo alias Philipp >Zürcher (http://www.mem.li/e/start_e.html) live in Zürich. >He invited me after I announced my gig on this list. > >This was his last gig in Switzerland before he'll be going on tour in >England: >http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_ukposter.jpg >http://www.mem.li/e/ei/projects_e.html > >He's been using the Echoplex since around 1997. Zurrigo has quite a jazzy >approach and works a lot with polyrhythm. He kept the (looping layperson) >audience fascinated through all three sets presenting an ascetic, no-frills, >lusty guitar sound and a very personal musical language. >He uses a yamaha semi hollowbody guitar, fender amp (Hot Rod Deluxe, I >believe), Oberheim EDP with Loop IV, dbx 1066 compressor. >I absolutely had to buy a minidisc after his gig and have been listening to >it several times in a row this morning. Hot stuff! > >All England-based Loopers: Don't miss him! > >Bernhard (back to listening zurrigo 12/44) > > > > -- download zurrigo's free online demo .mp3 files www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------020103020303080301090406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello everyone - I don't know if this is a common practice on the list, but anyway: thanx bernhard for your review of my zurich gig and the preview of my u. k. tour

I have actually been using the plex for quite a long time - if you happen to be interested in the "early solo stuff" (published on FMR CD64-V0799) featuring an acoustic (Lowden) Guitar and my "blonde" EDP, here's a couple of samples:

theme: http://www.mem.li/mp3/highahoy.mp3
improvisation: http://www.mem.li/mp3/rwanda.mp3

the "new solo stuff" can be downloaded at:
http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html

hope to see you in england:
http://www.mem.li/e/ei/news_e.html

yours

phil "zurrigo" zuercher

Bernhard Wagner wrote:
Last Saturday I had the pleasure to meet and hear zurrigo alias Philipp
Zürcher (http://www.mem.li/e/start_e.html) live in Zürich.
He invited me after I announced my gig on this list.

This was his last gig in Switzerland before he'll be going on tour in
England:
http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_ukposter.jpg
http://www.mem.li/e/ei/projects_e.html

He's been using the Echoplex since around 1997. Zurrigo has quite a jazzy
approach and works a lot with polyrhythm. He kept the (looping layperson)
audience fascinated through all three sets presenting an ascetic, no-frills,
lusty guitar sound and a very personal musical language.
He uses a yamaha semi hollowbody guitar, fender amp (Hot Rod Deluxe, I
believe), Oberheim EDP with Loop IV, dbx 1066 compressor.
I absolutely had to buy a minidisc after his gig and have been listening to
it several times in a row this morning. Hot stuff!

All England-based Loopers: Don't miss him!

Bernhard (back to listening zurrigo 12/44)

--
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download zurrigo's free online demo .mp3 files

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

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--------------020103020303080301090406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 18:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EMdjh28432; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c49aac$afff19c0$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: OT: Echoplex For Sale Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C49A8B.28BB1F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <8Z7HoD.A.n7G.XM3RBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C49A8B.28BB1F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, interested parties: Before I place my mint condition Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro on eBay, I = thought I'd offer it for sale here. This is the beige face Gibson model = w/maxed out memory and, what is it, Version III(?). It's about 2 years = old and has never left my non-smoking studio. Make me an offer! Please = reply off-list. Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C49A8B.28BB1F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, interested parties:
 
Before I place my mint condition Gibson = Echoplex=20 Digital Pro on eBay, I thought I'd offer it for sale here. This is = the=20 beige face Gibson model w/maxed out memory and, what is it, Version = III(?). It's=20 about 2 years old and has never left my non-smoking studio. Make me = an=20 offer! Please reply off-list.
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C49A8B.28BB1F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 18:50:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EMmZm29768; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <414775DC.1060108@eden.rutgers.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:51:08 -0400 From: George Ericson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm a born again looper/sound experimentalist, been on the mailing list as a lurker for several months now and must say that I have learned quite a bit about the technical issues and material choices that confront artist such as us. Furthermore, I find the candid tone in debate concerning the philosophical issues that we face in making our aesthetic and operational choices to often be right on the mark and quite refreshing. Thank you all for being a part of this great resource. It is through your discussions and the website that I have come to own an EDP. Although, it is a wonderful machine I wish to upgrade the memory to much greater than the 192 seconds that they come from Gibson with. Have I overlooked something? Does anyone have any information concerning this matter? I also own a RC20 and find that, although it is a solid pedal, I would like to replace it with something a little more versatile. I have been looking into the Boss SP-606 and it seems to promise a lot. I like that it is polyphonic in its playback, that it pitch-shifts samples, has recording times of up to 60 mins at 44 khz, etc. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with these machines and would vouch for them? I also would like to know if it works well in a sample on the fly live performance situation and whether it does sound on sound recording in a single bank? A lot of questions, I know. Thanks much GKE Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/14/04 1:26:02 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > ><< The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to >hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a >loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. >> > >Why not simply turn the phrase select knob to a new slot? >Or better, if you don't mind another pedal cluttering things up you can use a >pedal to switch the phrase slot thus avoiding stooping that spoils the >performer's heroic profile. > >BobC > > >www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >http://trundlebox.iuma.com >http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 19:05:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8EN1KQ31787; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:01:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:01:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000801c49aad$bee7d2a0$dca0fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040914124951.89101.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:49:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4Q3bXC.A.CwH.kg3RBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paolo, > > Can you build up a massive (though mono) soundscape by > overdubbing line after line after line onto the same > loop? Yes. This *is* what I wanted to hear 8). I´m basically into drones ad noise, and I´m thinking of Robert Rich or Jeff Greinke as far as references for my own music are concerned. No "looper as an instant band in a box" replacement needed, though 8). Thanks for the info, now I´m waiting for the first second-hand units to appear on the market. At a considreably lower price, of course 8). Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question > Hi Stephen, > > I have never used an EDP, Repeater, or RC-20, so I > cannot compare the EH16 to any of them. > > I am not sure now what you mean by "loop > continuously". I thought you were asking if the EH16 > will replay a loop over and over until you hit the > Bypass button. The answer is "yes" if you have the > Feedback slider pushed all the way up. > > Can you build up a massive (though mono) soundscape by > overdubbing line after line after line onto the same > loop? Yes. > > Can you loop some guitar chords, then plug in a wind > controller and overdub some synth tuba and flute > lines, while keeping the loop running, then switch > back to guitar and play a rock guitar solo on top > without overdubbing the solo? Yes. > > Can you use the EH16 as a delay unit only (no > looping)? Yes. > > I have not noticed any glitches or hiccups when the > end of the loop is reached. > > Does this help? > > Paolo > > --- wavecomputer360 wrote: > > > Hi Paolo, > > > > thanks for this comprehensive insight. Now, how > > properly does the EH loop? > > Does it loop continuously like the EDP, or does it > > loop like a Repeater or > > the RC-20 (i. e. phrase-based)? Are there audible > > glitches or hiccups when > > loops come to an end? > > > > TIA, > > > > Stephen. > > > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this > > planet, you´re a plague. And > > we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at > > www.doombient.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:33 PM > > Subject: Re: EH 16 Second Delay question > > > > > > > Based on your post, the EH16 can be used in active > > or > > > passive looper mode. If you turn the Feedback > > slider > > > all the way up, it will continously loop > > everything it > > > has recorded, up to its internal memory limit > > (around > > > 4 min.), while also overdubbing anything you play > > into > > > it or what it "hears" coming from itself > > (feedback). > > > For example, I can use the Fine slider to pitch > > shift > > > the loop down for a pseudo-Whammy effect and it > > will > > > overdub the pseudo-Whammy effect. > > > > > > It can also only overdub when you want it to. I > > am > > > still learning how to get it to overdub until I > > hit > > > the Record button again to stop overdubbing as > > opposed > > > to letting it automatically overdub a set number > > of > > > bars then automatically stopping overdubbing, as > > > determined by the Coarse slider. > > > > > > The EH16, like any device, has its idiosyncracies. > > It > > > doesn't always behave as I expect it too. I can't > > tell > > > at this stage whether its because of my lack of > > > sufficient familiarty with the device or a bug of > > some > > > sort. > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > --- wavecomputer360 > > wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry for bothering you with things already > > > > discussed. I´m thinking of buying one of the > > > > reissues and I would like to know whether the > > 16SD > > > > is an active or a passive looper. I mean by > > > > "passive" that the looper can be connected to a > > > > group or aux out on the console and will loop > > > > continously once the loop length has been > > determined > > > > (like the Jamman or the EDP do in Delay mode). > > By > > > > "active" I mean a device that needs to be > > instructed > > > > any time I want it to record or overdub a > > previously > > > > defined loop (like the Repeater, the DL-4 loop > > > > recorder function or the Boss RC-20 do). I > > prefer > > > > having passive loop devices around that allow me > > to > > > > spontaneously run stuff into them for creating > > > > random loops, I don´t really need phrase > > samplers. > > > > Is the 16SD just another phrase sampler with > > some > > > > added bells and whistles, or is it also usable > > like > > > > an EDP in delay mode? > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this > > > > planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." > > > > (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > > > > > > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at > > > www.doombient.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 19:20:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ENIGf01457; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41477CD8.9080500@eden.rutgers.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:20:56 -0400 From: George Ericson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL References: <414775DC.1060108@eden.rutgers.edu> In-Reply-To: <414775DC.1060108@eden.rutgers.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, I meant the sp-505. George Ericson wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a born again looper/sound experimentalist, been on the mailing > list as a lurker for several months now and must say that I have > learned quite a bit about the technical issues and material choices > that confront artist such as us. Furthermore, I find the candid tone > in debate concerning the philosophical issues that we face in making > our aesthetic and operational choices to often be right on the mark > and quite refreshing. Thank you all for being a part of this great > resource. > > It is through your discussions and the website that I have come to own > an EDP. Although, it is a wonderful machine I wish to upgrade the > memory to much greater than the 192 seconds that they come from Gibson > with. Have I overlooked something? Does anyone have any information > concerning this matter? > > I also own a RC20 and find that, although it is a solid pedal, I would > like to replace it with something a little more versatile. I have > been looking into the Boss SP-606 and it seems to promise a lot. I > like that it is polyphonic in its playback, that it pitch-shifts > samples, has recording times of up to 60 mins at 44 khz, etc. I was > wondering if anyone has had any experience with these machines and > would vouch for them? I also would like to know if it works well in a > sample on the fly live performance situation and whether it does sound > on sound recording in a single bank? > > A lot of questions, I know. > > Thanks much > GKE > > > > Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 9/14/04 1:26:02 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: >> >> << The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to >> hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a >> loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. >> >> >> Why not simply turn the phrase select knob to a new slot? >> Or better, if you don't mind another pedal cluttering things up you >> can use a pedal to switch the phrase slot thus avoiding stooping that >> spoils the performer's heroic profile. >> >> BobC >> >> >> www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >> http://trundlebox.iuma.com >> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 19:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ENJ0R01659; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:19:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20053876.1095203930364.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:18:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-4Y0uD.A.rZ.bx3RBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 198 seconds is the max memory for the EDP. In the old days, they shipped with 12.5 seconds, since 16MB of memory was quite expensive (around $800). Then memory prices came down (around $40), and now it's pretty rare to find one with less than the maximum memory. >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:51:08 -0400 >From: George Ericson >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL > >It is through your discussions and the website that I have come to own >an EDP. Although, it is a wonderful machine I wish to upgrade the >memory to much greater than the 192 seconds that they come from Gibson >with. Have I overlooked something? Does anyone have any information >concerning this matter? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 22:57:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8F2sJL22811; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:54:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5354C106-0691-11D9-BE5E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.162.75.245] at Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:53:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What I want from Ableton are a couple of small changes/additional >options in Live that would make the initial tempo lock-up much tighter. >Because right now they assume incoming MIDI clock is coming from an >external hardware device, they apply some fairly strong smoothing to >the incoming tempo. This means that when you get a sudden change in >tempo (like you do when you start a new loop, because the tempo is >unknown before the loop ends) the software takes a little while to get >in step. Now because the MIDI clock from Augustus Loop is generated and >timestamped within the same computer as Live, its timing is exactly >accurate and needs no smoothing. So I'd like Ableton to make the >smoothing optional. Os, I'm also interested in faster response from Live when sync'ed to Midi clocks. I requested it from them before Live 4 came out, and they said they'd consider it, maybe via a "hi-res" sync mode or something. If you or someone else puts up a post on Live's request forum, let us know and we'll jump on it and add our voices in support. cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 23:06:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8F345W24690; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c49ad1$4acce1c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Subject: OT - Sample usage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:08:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49AAF.C31B0A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.196.153] at Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:03:55 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49AAF.C31B0A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know some peopel use samples in their looping music. =20 "A federal appeals court ruling that determined artists must pay for = every sample they use, even those that are unrecognizable." You can read more here: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/09/14/will_ruling_o= n_samples_chill_rap/ ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49AAF.C31B0A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know some peopel use samples in their = looping=20 music. 
 
"A federal appeals court ruling = that=20 determined artists must pay for every sample they use, even those that = are=20 unrecognizable."
 
You can read more = here:

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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49AAF.C31B0A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 23:18:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8F3EbX26294; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:15:24 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP pedals From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200409142305.i8EN50i32358@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wondering if anyone can help me out about this - I've had two EDP pedals remade with nice metal switches, because the red plastic ones keep malfunctioning - and now the metal ones are beginning to malfunction in the same way; the button presses are inconsistent, sometimes I press mute and it triggers insert, or press multiply and it triggers overdub, that kind of thing. Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? Sorry, I'm tired and a bit bitchy but I really would love to have a pedal that just works consistently. Any ideas about this? Worst comes to worst, does anyone know anyone in NYC who could repair these pedals without charging too much? I'm no good at soldering or that kind of thing - thanks, guys. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 00:34:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8F4U2003240; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP footswitch Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:29:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSa0mfjiwaz8ssVRX26M2ldMd9aHQACVRhA Message-Id: <20040915042918.TYGV8590.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- You can have an electronic repair person create a custom setup with a pair of these: http://www.zzounds.com/item--DGTFS300 With these instructions http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom I tried making my own and messed 'em up--don't forget to take out the existing resistors *=< Gary PS I use a PMC 10 and even that doesn't always give me what I want--suggestion: have a friend push the front panel buttons 8) G -----Original Message----- From: steve.sandberg [mailto:steve.sandberg@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP pedals Wondering if anyone can help me out about this - I've had two EDP pedals remade with nice metal switches, because the red plastic ones keep malfunctioning - and now the metal ones are beginning to malfunction in the same way; the button presses are inconsistent, sometimes I press mute and it triggers insert, or press multiply and it triggers overdub, that kind of thing. Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? Sorry, I'm tired and a bit bitchy but I really would love to have a pedal that just works consistently. Any ideas about this? Worst comes to worst, does anyone know anyone in NYC who could repair these pedals without charging too much? I'm no good at soldering or that kind of thing - thanks, guys. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 03:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8F70vD17811; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:00:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:00:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ben" To: Subject: SP505 (was: Boss RC20XL) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-To: <414775DC.1060108@eden.rutgers.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal if-filter0: Y Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Message d'origine----- > De : George Ericson [mailto:gericso@eden.rutgers.edu] > Hi all, (...) > I also own a RC20 and find that, although it is a solid pedal, I would > like to replace it with something a little more versatile. I have been > looking into the Boss SP-606 and it seems to promise a lot. I like that > it is polyphonic in its playback, that it pitch-shifts samples, has > recording times of up to 60 mins at 44 khz, etc. I was wondering if > anyone has had any experience with these machines and would vouch for > them? I also would like to know if it works well in a sample on the fly > live performance situation and whether it does sound on sound recording > in a single bank? Hi George, I own a SP303 which has the same "core" as the 505 (not realtime pitch shift and no tempo sync on the 303). Here is some info from the 303 that surely also apply on the 505: If you want to realtime loop you can press the pad you are recording on at the end of the loop, this will retrigger (play) the pad directly. However this works only if you are recording in the internal memory (not on the sm card). Doing the same operation on the card introduces a small blank when the sound is stored/compressed. So you are limited to about 30 sec (on the 303). You can copy the sound to the card after if you want but this takes some time and the sound output is dropped. "Sound on sound" is possible with the resample function. This function is used to merge several pads (+added effects) to a new one. One of the pad gates the input, so pad1+input pad>pad2 will merge the content of pad1 with what is currently played. The bad thing is that pressing the resample button stops the playing of the unit, no realtime overdub in this case. The good thing is that you can multiply the pad1 content for as long as you need it, add other pads, add effects, modify parameters,... So his acts more or less like a multitrack (stop/rewind/arm) with the exception that you can't play a pad and record another one at the same time (only resample as explained before). Hope this helps, Ben. _____________________________________________________________________ Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? 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C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 03:46:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8F7iK821976; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.101.226.10] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC20 XL Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:58:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2004 06:58:00.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[56D65760:01C49AF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Is there a way to have a real stéréo signal, in, through, and out, with that machine, Or Is it possible to have 2 different mono R/L separate signals. Thank's Daniel totalrtt@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 : dialoguez en direct et gratuitement avec vos amis ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 07:54:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FBr4N10575; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040915115218.35613.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i know this has been asked before but can u also let me know what CD brands are the best for burning the final master? many thanx to u all! L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 08:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FCLfm12959; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:21:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:21:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040915115218.35613.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040915115218.35613.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:21:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 15, 2004, at 13:52, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i > want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am > not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and > easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i > know this has been asked before but can u also let me > know what CD brands are the best for burning the final > master? Wow, congratulations! Posting some links on the subject: FAQ at http://www.drtmastering.com/faq2.htm Some good articles at http://www.digido.com/ All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 09:07:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FD1Hu18686; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41483DBD.4090409@eden.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:03:57 -0400 From: George Ericson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Hartnett Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL References: <20053876.1095203930364.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20053876.1095203930364.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080300050409020706070801" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080300050409020706070801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info Travis. Although, it would be on rare occasions that I actually need longer than the max sample time provided by the EDP, this is still a little disappointing. Perhaps there is a work around or hardware/software modification out there? The EDP will still have great function within my system though. Travis Hartnett wrote: >198 seconds is the max memory for the EDP. In the old days, they shipped with 12.5 seconds, since 16MB of memory was quite expensive (around $800). Then memory prices came down (around $40), and now it's pretty rare to find one with less than the maximum memory. > > > >>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:51:08 -0400 >>From: George Ericson >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL >> >>It is through your discussions and the website that I have come to own >>an EDP. Although, it is a wonderful machine I wish to upgrade the >>memory to much greater than the 192 seconds that they come from Gibson >>with. Have I overlooked something? Does anyone have any information >>concerning this matter? >> >> > > > > --------------080300050409020706070801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info Travis.  Although, it would be on rare occasions that I actually need longer than the max sample time provided by the EDP, this is still a little disappointing.  Perhaps there is a work around or hardware/software modification out there?  The EDP will still have great function within my system though.

Travis Hartnett wrote:
198 seconds is the max memory for the EDP.  In the old days, they shipped with 12.5 seconds, since 16MB of memory was quite expensive (around $800).  Then memory prices came down (around $40), and now it's pretty rare to find one with less than the maximum memory.

  
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:51:08 -0400
From: George Ericson <gericso@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL

It is through your discussions and the website that I have come to own 
an EDP.  Although, it is a wonderful machine I wish to upgrade the 
memory to much greater than the 192 seconds that they come from Gibson 
with.  Have I overlooked something?  Does anyone have any information 
concerning this matter?
--------------080300050409020706070801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 09:21:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FDJLl21969; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4148403C.4010501@mem.li> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:14:36 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand References: <20040915115218.35613.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030201040900050206080001" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------030201040900050206080001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hy Per I personally found Macromedia Freehand a perfect solution for solving a lot of problems with graphics involved - check it out! cheers Phil Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 15, 2004, at 13:52, L. Angulo wrote: > >> Hi Gang, >> I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i >> want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am >> not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and >> easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i >> know this has been asked before but can u also let me >> know what CD brands are the best for burning the final >> master? > > > > Wow, congratulations! Posting some links on the subject: > > FAQ at > http://www.drtmastering.com/faq2.htm > > Some good articles at > http://www.digido.com/ > > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > -- download zurrigo's free online demo .mp3 files www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------030201040900050206080001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hy Per

I personally found Macromedia Freehand a perfect solution for solving a lot of problems with graphics involved - check it out!

cheers

Phil

Per Boysen wrote:
On Sep 15, 2004, at 13:52, L. Angulo wrote:
Hi Gang,
I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i
want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am
not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and
easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i
know this has been asked before but can u also let me
know what CD brands are the best for burning the final
master?


Wow, congratulations! Posting some links on the subject:

FAQ at
http://www.drtmastering.com/faq2.htm

Some good articles at
http://www.digido.com/


All the best

Per Boysen
---
http://www.boysen.se
http://www.looproom.com



--
Unbenanntes Dokument

download zurrigo's free online demo .mp3 files

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44


--------------030201040900050206080001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 09:25:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FDMST22631; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <414842B4.6070601@eden.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:25:08 -0400 From: George Ericson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SP505 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080506070407020702030009" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080506070407020702030009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the reply Ben. The resample procedure seems that it could be a little cumbersome and not without its gaps, but I suppose that the 8 polyphonic tracks would be enough for layering anyway. One thing that I wanted to get clarification on is "can't play a pad and record another one at the same time". Are you saying that the execution of any record function, internal or external source, results in the stopping of output? Ben wrote: >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : George Ericson [mailto:gericso@eden.rutgers.edu] >>Hi all, >> >> >(...) > > >>I also own a RC20 and find that, although it is a solid pedal, I would >>like to replace it with something a little more versatile. I have been >>looking into the Boss SP-606 and it seems to promise a lot. I like that >>it is polyphonic in its playback, that it pitch-shifts samples, has >>recording times of up to 60 mins at 44 khz, etc. I was wondering if >>anyone has had any experience with these machines and would vouch for >>them? I also would like to know if it works well in a sample on the fly >>live performance situation and whether it does sound on sound recording >>in a single bank? >> >> > >Hi George, > >I own a SP303 which has the same "core" as the 505 (not realtime pitch shift >and no tempo sync on the 303). >Here is some info from the 303 that surely also apply on the 505: >If you want to realtime loop you can press the pad you are recording on at >the end of the loop, this will retrigger (play) the pad directly. However >this works only if you are recording in the internal memory (not on the sm >card). Doing the same operation on the card introduces a small blank when >the sound is stored/compressed. So you are limited to about 30 sec (on the >303). You can copy the sound to the card after if you want but this takes >some time and the sound output is dropped. >"Sound on sound" is possible with the resample function. This function is >used to merge several pads (+added effects) to a new one. One of the pad >gates the input, so pad1+input pad>pad2 will merge the content of pad1 with >what is currently played. The bad thing is that pressing the resample button >stops the playing of the unit, no realtime overdub in this case. The good >thing is that you can multiply the pad1 content for as long as you need it, >add other pads, add effects, modify parameters,... >So his acts more or less like a multitrack (stop/rewind/arm) with the >exception that you can't play a pad and record another one at the same time >(only resample as explained before). > >Hope this helps, >Ben. > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m > > > --------------080506070407020702030009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the reply Ben.  The resample procedure seems that it could be a little cumbersome and not without its gaps, but I suppose that the 8 polyphonic tracks would be enough for layering anyway.  One thing that I wanted to get clarification on is "can't play a pad and record another one at the same time".  Are you saying that the execution of any record function, internal or external source, results in the stopping of output?



Ben wrote:
-----Message d'origine-----
De : George Ericson [mailto:gericso@eden.rutgers.edu]
Hi all,
    
(...)
  
I also own a RC20 and find that, although it is a solid pedal, I would
like to replace it with something a little more versatile.  I have been
looking into the Boss SP-606 and it seems to promise a lot.  I like that
it is polyphonic in its playback,  that it pitch-shifts samples, has
recording times of up to 60 mins at 44 khz, etc.  I was wondering if
anyone has had any experience with these machines and would vouch for
them?  I also would like to know if it works well in a sample on the fly
live performance situation and whether it does sound on sound recording
in a single bank?
    

Hi George,

I own a SP303 which has the same "core" as the 505 (not realtime pitch shift
and no tempo sync on the 303).
Here is some info from the 303 that surely also apply on the 505:
If you want to realtime loop you can press the pad you are recording on at
the end of the loop, this will retrigger (play) the pad directly. However
this works only if you are recording in the internal memory (not on the sm
card). Doing the same operation on the card introduces a small blank when
the sound is stored/compressed. So you are limited to about 30 sec (on the
303). You can copy the sound to the card after if you want but this takes
some time and the sound output is dropped.
"Sound on sound" is possible with the resample function. This function is
used to merge several pads (+added effects) to a new one. One of the pad
gates the input, so pad1+input pad>pad2 will merge the content of pad1 with
what is currently played. The bad thing is that pressing the resample button
stops the playing of the unit, no realtime overdub in this case. The good
thing is that you can multiply the pad1 content for as long as you need it,
add other pads, add effects, modify parameters,...
So his acts more or less like a multitrack (stop/rewind/arm) with the
exception that you can't play a pad and record another one at the same time
(only resample as explained before).

Hope this helps,
Ben.



_____________________________________________________________________
Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps
réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit!   http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m
--------------080506070407020702030009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 09:46:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FDhNw25393; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c49b29$ea234180$cc073e18@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: "David Kirkdorffer" , References: <001c01c49ad1$4acce1c0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: OT - Sample usage Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:42:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01C49B08.62D90550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <88vstD.A.SMG.mbESBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C49B08.62D90550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...i read about this yesterday, and it's kind of funny. my philosphy = with sampling has always been "if the artist who played the sample = origianally would recognize it, it's not cool". the beauty of this = ruling is that if the sample is truely unrecognizable, then how does the = copyright holder know they are being "stolen from", even if they are = listening to your record? answer: you would have to tell them! deknow ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Kirkdorffer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: OT - Sample usage=20 I know some peopel use samples in their looping music. =20 "A federal appeals court ruling that determined artists must pay for = every sample they use, even those that are unrecognizable." You can read more here: = http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/09/14/will_ruling_o= n_samples_chill_rap/ ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C49B08.62D90550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...i read about this yesterday, and = it's kind of=20 funny.  my philosphy with sampling has always been "if the artist = who=20 played the sample origianally would recognize it, it's not cool".  = the=20 beauty of this ruling is that if the sample is truely unrecognizable, = then how=20 does the copyright holder know they are being "stolen from", even if = they are=20 listening to your record?  answer: you would have to tell=20 them!
 
deknow
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Kirkdorffer
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, = 2004 11:08=20 PM
Subject: OT - Sample usage =

I know some peopel use samples in = their looping=20 music. 
 
"A federal appeals court ruling = that=20 determined artists must pay for every sample they use, even those that = are=20 unrecognizable."
 
You can read more = here:

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------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C49B08.62D90550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 09:51:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FDmXA26220; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:48:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:48:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:49:12 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP footswitch From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6whOYB.A.cXG.RgESBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Gary, but that would give me only 6 switches, no? You can have an electronic repair person create a custom setup with a pair of these: http://www.zzounds.com/item--DGTFS300 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 10:24:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FEEmp30177; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200409151321.i8FDLuK22423@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409151321.i8FDLuK22423@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7AA93540-0721-11D9-A551-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:13:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds to me like dirt is getting into your switches, and/or the replacements are wearing out. This happens to me with my stock EDP pedals when I play places with particularly gritty floors. With the beige units, after about twenty minutes I could see a buildup of crap around the oft-used switches, and usually shortly thereafter I'd start to get the behavior you're describing. My solution was do a quick sweep of the area I'd be standing in before I started playing, and cleaning off the footpedal when it started to look dirty. Also a good idea to manually press the switches a couple dozen times to break up any crap that might have fallen in. That said, I've yet to replace any of my switches, since the cleaning always fixes it. On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:21 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "steve.sandberg" > Date: September 14, 2004 8:15:24 PM PDT > To: > Subject: Re: EDP pedals > > > Wondering if anyone can help me out about this - > I've had two EDP pedals remade with nice metal switches, because the > red > plastic ones keep malfunctioning - > and now the metal ones are beginning to malfunction in the same way; > the > button presses are inconsistent, sometimes I press mute and it triggers > insert, or press multiply and it triggers overdub, that kind of thing. > Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? Sorry, I'm > tired > and a bit bitchy but I really would love to have a pedal that just > works > consistently. > Any ideas about this? Worst comes to worst, does anyone know anyone > in NYC > who could repair these pedals without charging too much? I'm no good > at > soldering or that kind of thing - > thanks, guys. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 10:34:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FERwt31832; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:29:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7AA93540-0721-11D9-A551-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've started wearing special Echoplex Shoes (TM)! ;-) My pedal only sees those or bare feet... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 15. September 2004 16:14 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP pedals > > > Sounds to me like dirt is getting into your switches, and/or the > replacements are wearing out. This happens to me with my stock EDP > pedals when I play places with particularly gritty floors. With the > beige units, after about twenty minutes I could see a buildup of crap > around the oft-used switches, and usually shortly thereafter I'd start > to get the behavior you're describing. My solution was do a quick > sweep of the area I'd be standing in before I started playing, and > cleaning off the footpedal when it started to look dirty. Also a good > idea to manually press the switches a couple dozen times to break up > any crap that might have fallen in. That said, I've yet to replace > any of my switches, since the cleaning always fixes it. > > > > > On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:21 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > From: "steve.sandberg" > > Date: September 14, 2004 8:15:24 PM PDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: EDP pedals > > > > > > Wondering if anyone can help me out about this - > > I've had two EDP pedals remade with nice metal switches, because the > > red > > plastic ones keep malfunctioning - > > and now the metal ones are beginning to malfunction in the same way; > > the > > button presses are inconsistent, sometimes I press mute and it triggers > > insert, or press multiply and it triggers overdub, that kind of thing. > > Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? Sorry, I'm > > tired > > and a bit bitchy but I really would love to have a pedal that just > > works > > consistently. > > Any ideas about this? Worst comes to worst, does anyone know anyone > > in NYC > > who could repair these pedals without charging too much? I'm no good > > at > > soldering or that kind of thing - > > thanks, guys. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 11:38:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FFYfA07879; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409151534.i8FFY7a07789@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSbMQFBYdgiqDp7Q8WWH8FiJLlgXQACD+yg Resent-Message-ID: <-0Mxd.A._5B.vDGSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny you should point that out I can't use the EDP pedal either without being barefoot (mostly big toe) maybe that's why mine is holding up? -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP pedals I've started wearing special Echoplex Shoes (TM)! ;-) My pedal only sees those or bare feet... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 15. September 2004 16:14 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP pedals > > > Sounds to me like dirt is getting into your switches, and/or the > replacements are wearing out. This happens to me with my stock EDP > pedals when I play places with particularly gritty floors. With the > beige units, after about twenty minutes I could see a buildup of crap > around the oft-used switches, and usually shortly thereafter I'd start > to get the behavior you're describing. My solution was do a quick > sweep of the area I'd be standing in before I started playing, and > cleaning off the footpedal when it started to look dirty. Also a good > idea to manually press the switches a couple dozen times to break up > any crap that might have fallen in. That said, I've yet to replace > any of my switches, since the cleaning always fixes it. > > > > > On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:21 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > From: "steve.sandberg" > > Date: September 14, 2004 8:15:24 PM PDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: EDP pedals > > > > > > Wondering if anyone can help me out about this - I've had two EDP > > pedals remade with nice metal switches, because the red plastic ones > > keep malfunctioning - and now the metal ones are beginning to > > malfunction in the same way; the button presses are inconsistent, > > sometimes I press mute and it triggers insert, or press multiply and > > it triggers overdub, that kind of thing. > > Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? Sorry, > > I'm tired and a bit bitchy but I really would love to have a pedal > > that just works consistently. > > Any ideas about this? Worst comes to worst, does anyone know anyone > > in NYC who could repair these pedals without charging too much? I'm > > no good at soldering or that kind of thing - thanks, guys. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 11:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FFaHX08469; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10794218.1095262552969.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:35:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: handling in-between-loop lag Re: Boss RC20XL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "know any in between loop jokes/banter?" well, when i have to wait for my DFX94 to finish playing its loop, i just pretend i'm a conductor and "conduct" the loop. maybe i'll teach myself overtone singing as an alternate way to fill that awkward moment :-0 btw, all you guys are discussing devices that are either beyond my budget or too complicated for me..anyone got any experience with the ZVex Lo-Fi Loop Junky or the Boss Gigadelay? -Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 11:55:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FFrJB11676; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c49b3c$071caf80$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:52:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? The variable resistance method of switching parameters in the EDP pedal works great on paper but in the real world, connections are not perfect and there's always the chance that a less than zero resistance in the switch connection, even for just a moment, can cause the wrong button to be interpreted. I've given up on my original EDP pedal and use the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI pedal exclusively now. It works great and has 100 buttons you can program plus two expression pedals which can be configured to control the output volume and feedback. Good luck, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 12:05:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FFwDH12590; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:00:05 +0200 Message-ID: <001901c49b3d$118dc2f0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040915115218.35613.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi L.a., don't want to discourage you there, but my personal experience has been that doing the artwork all by yourself would be like...well, like a graphics designer doing the music all by himself. So: if you know a designer/illustrator who owes you a favour, I believe this would be the time to call for that favour. Have him/her at least propose a general design concept (best based on your music) and have a look at the final design, if you can't get him/her to do the entire work... Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 15. September 2004 13:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand > > > Hi Gang, > I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i > want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am > not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and > easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i > know this has been asked before but can u also let me > know what CD brands are the best for burning the final > master? > many thanx to u all! > L.a > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 12:09:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FG6Oc14172; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <17394427.1095264354025.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:05:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did you say 100 buttons? and two expression pedals? formidable. wow, how do you remember which does what? how are they set up? ten rows of ten? how much money is it? (sorry for the "20 questions" format and the cheezy emoticon :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 12:18:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FGBEj15358; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:11:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:11:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915105143.09c7fd98@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:03:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) In-Reply-To: References: <7AA93540-0721-11D9-A551-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2xKfuB.A.btD.GmGSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:29 AM 9/15/2004, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >I've started wearing special Echoplex Shoes (TM)! ;-) >My pedal only sees those or bare feet... FWIW, I do the same thing (although for different pedals than the EDP). I highly recommend wrestling shoes for this purpose. They have super-thin soles, so you can better feel what you're doing down there. The soles are made of rubber, which could help prevent any unfortunate 'grounding incidents'. And most shoes of this type are made to be more slender at the tips. This is quite helpful for people with bloody huge feet -- like myself -- so we can actually hit the button at which we're aiming, and not the two or three on either side of it. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 12:18:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FG7Xi14427; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:07:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:07:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <001201c49b3c$071caf80$6601a8c0@watercooled> References: <001201c49b3c$071caf80$6601a8c0@watercooled> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D58057F-0731-11D9-870E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:07:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Isn't there any way to have an EDP pedal that just works? Go for a midi pedal instead! > On Sep 15, 2004, at 17:52, David J. Grossman wrote: > I've given up on my original EDP pedal and use the Behringer FCB1010 > MIDI > pedal exclusively now. It works great and has 100 buttons you can > program That's the one I too use with my EDP and other loopers. But it has 10 buttons, not 100 ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 12:35:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FGWDV17785; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409151631.i8FGVga17714@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915105143.09c7fd98@gemini.lunarpages.com> Thread-Index: AcSbP2yS4mZSnk5MRhu8c0qNv5+bgAAAZCWw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Think of using the EDP pedals as being like playing your instrument would you really play guitar or violin with gloves on (though some can I guess?) I have an FCB 1010 but, find that I like the stock pedal the FCB just adds too many options. Now if I could come up with a MIDI pedal about the size of the EFC with maybe three or four more buttons I would be very happy. -----Original Message----- From: Mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) At 09:29 AM 9/15/2004, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >I've started wearing special Echoplex Shoes (TM)! ;-) My pedal only >sees those or bare feet... FWIW, I do the same thing (although for different pedals than the EDP). I highly recommend wrestling shoes for this purpose. They have super-thin soles, so you can better feel what you're doing down there. The soles are made of rubber, which could help prevent any unfortunate 'grounding incidents'. And most shoes of this type are made to be more slender at the tips. This is quite helpful for people with bloody huge feet -- like myself -- so we can actually hit the button at which we're aiming, and not the two or three on either side of it. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 13:11:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FH9Qw25495; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1095268127.4148771f81d7b@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:08:47 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP pedals References: <001201c49b3c$071caf80$6601a8c0@watercooled> <4D58057F-0731-11D9-870E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <4D58057F-0731-11D9-870E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That's the one I too use with my EDP and other loopers. But it has 10 > buttons, not 100 ;-) Well, if you want to get technical, it's 10 buttons. :-) I meant that you can program 100 different functions. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 13:39:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FHZXT00780; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1095268127.4148771f81d7b@webmail.unpronounceable.com> References: <001201c49b3c$071caf80$6601a8c0@watercooled> <4D58057F-0731-11D9-870E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> <1095268127.4148771f81d7b@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <894992D0-073D-11D9-B267-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:34:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 15, 2004, at 19:08, David J. Grossman wrote: >> That's the one I too use with my EDP and other loopers. But it has 10 >> buttons, not 100 ;-) > > Well, if you want to get technical, it's 10 buttons. :-) > I meant that you can program 100 different functions. > > - Dave Sorry about the anal tone in my post. It hit me the moment after I pushed the send button that the FCB actually has 10x10 programmable functions and that this was probably what you ment. It's even more than 100 by the way, since every button can be programmed to send out different midi events on a down press. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 13:46:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FHcJO01672; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:38:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:38:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: 100 buttons (was RE: EDP pedals) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:37:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1095268127.4148771f81d7b@webmail.unpronounceable.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSbRwdCmJaZdGU5Rqa6WVYM+x9pFgAAxu1w Message-Id: <20040915173748.GEYU2736.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <95vk_C.A.EY.03HSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---->I have a Starr Labs Ztar. I use it to send commands to the EDP via note info to trigger record, restart, reverse etc. It has 144 buttons! 24 "frets" of 6 "strings" I only use about a dozen of them for EDP commands--you can rezone the neck totally--I usually have drums and bass up on the neck. The Behringer is probably a good match for the EDP--especially with Loop IV, lots of Direct MIDI stuff. Gary -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP pedals > That's the one I too use with my EDP and other loopers. But it has 10 > buttons, not 100 ;-) Well, if you want to get technical, it's 10 buttons. :-) I meant that you can program 100 different functions. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 13:47:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FHikF03187; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mungenast@earthlink.net asked about the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky and the Boss Gigadelay. Eric W has a lot of information about using the Gigadelay as a looper, as I recall, and at least one other person on this list (stan, I think) has mentioned using a Loop Junky. The Z-Vex website for the Loop Junky goes into more detail than I will: http://www.zvex.com/junky.html There are links at the top of this page to sound samples, and a demonstration QuickTime video (the video is big, not for dialup modem users). The entire short user's guide is online at this page, too. Based on the definitions given on http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html I consider the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky a "performance-oriented sampler" and not a "current real-time looper". There are two big limitations of the Lo-Fi Loop Junky for looping: 1) it does not record sound-on-sound. You can record a loop, but not overdub onto the loop. You can of course play live over the playing loop. 2) It *is* lo-fi, since it's based around an old telephone answering machine chip. It makes the Akai Headrush E1 or original Boomerang sound audiophile-grade in comparison :). Corollary to 2): Since the playback is so lo-fi, you cannot play along with the loop transparently. The sample sounds entirely different in tone from your live signal that is passed over the playing sample. Accept those two limitations and what you get is a twenty-second sampler you can carry in your pocket, that does not need a wall-wart AC adapter (Z-Vex gear has ridiculously long battery life in comparison to any other battery-powered pedal I've ever used), that stores the sample indefinitely until you erase it, and is built like a very small tank. You can control input volume and output playback volume of the loop sample.You can also alter a "tone" control to roll off hiss of the loop, and change depth & speed of a vibrato for the loop. You can do this live, while the loop is playing, assuming you have a free hand to knob-tweak. There's a small switch to protect the sample so you can't unintentionally delete it. I use an Akai Headrush E1, RC-20 LoopStation, and Electro-Harmonix 16 Second reissue as my performance loopers. I rarely take my Repeater to do a show. I almost always have the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky in my bag or set up as my third inline looper, in case any of my loopers fail for some reason as a backup. There's nothing to fail on the Loop Junky as long as I change the battery roughly annually (not really an exaggeration). If I had to leave one of the three (Headrush, RC-20, Z-Vex) home, I'd probably leave the RC-20 home. So it's very limited in comparison to anything in the "true looper" tools section, but I still like it for its indestructible stripped-down minimalism. It's pricy, but so are hardened and embedded systems in the computer hardware world. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 14:07:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FI4Sl09301; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200409151321.i8FDLuu22421@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409151321.i8FDLuu22421@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D491572-0741-11D9-85C7-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:03:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Os, I'm also interested in faster response from Live when sync'ed to > Midi > clocks. I requested it from them before Live 4 came out, and they said > they'd consider it, maybe via a "hi-res" sync mode or something. If you > or someone else puts up a post on Live's request forum, let us know and > we'll jump on it and add our voices in support. I believe Per already did, let me see if I can find it... ah, here we are http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11557 cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 14:44:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FIeat17743; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:40:01 -0600 Message-ID: <003901c49b53$68f58c10$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001901c49b3d$118dc2f0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many professional CD manufactures provide templates in multiple graphics program formats, so that you or a graphics designer you contract with can develop the artwork. In the case of my CD, the manufacturer I went with sent me their templates for Macromedia Fireworks, which I used to create the artwork myself - consisted of text, scanned in photos, digital photos, colored background, etc. They guided me through the correct formatting techniques and the end result was outstanding. I didn't have to create pantone or film separations or anything technical. Long story short, you don't have to be a professional graphics designer to create a professional looking CD cover, if you keep it simple, use the templates, and follow the manufacturer's guidelines. Many of you are sharp enough to setup and configure your EDPs, so I'm confident you can learn the basics of a graphics program well enough to create your own simple CD design. It's not rocket science. Incidentally, the manufacturer I used for my CD "Places" was Tripledisc - http://www.tripledisc.com I plan on using them for my next CD and my music video DVD. Kris info@krispenhartung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand Hi L.a., don't want to discourage you there, but my personal experience has been that doing the artwork all by yourself would be like...well, like a graphics designer doing the music all by himself. So: if you know a designer/illustrator who owes you a favour, I believe this would be the time to call for that favour. Have him/her at least propose a general design concept (best based on your music) and have a look at the final design, if you can't get him/her to do the entire work... Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 15. September 2004 13:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand > > > Hi Gang, > I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i > want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am > not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and > easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i > know this has been asked before but can u also let me > know what CD brands are the best for burning the final master? > many thanx to u all! > L.a > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 19:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FNINH09151; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:17:32 EDT Subject: Re: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 Resent-Message-ID: <9huwmB.A.RNC.V2MSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently read a short blurb online from Brian Eno about an incident that occured during the recording sessions for the new disc he did with Fripp(The Equatorial Stars) where he tapped up via footswitch an incorrect sampling rate for the recorder to utilize which proved unusable after 2 plus hours of incredible performance being shoved into it by he and Fripp. He stated that this error was due to new footwear he had recently purchased.As to the EDP pedal, it remains the weakest aspect of the product, while being the most economical and practical to produce during all the many phases of it's manufacture. Practical alternatives for this stock controller have been well documented on this list, as well as other conjectures of foot controllers for other loop devices.Perhaps toe shoes will prove the answer. I use a JamMan which makes the possibility of my drunken foot erasing all the current loops quite real and keeps the spirit of looping as containing an element of hazard,quite alive when coupled with no "undo" function to boot.But smart and sober people with small feet should have no difficulty.Perhaps there could be a "Training" game not unlike Twister where you have to spin a dial to determine a command to enter via your EDP pedal so you can practice in a fun way...... bryan helm --part1_1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently read a short blurb onlin= e from Brian Eno about an incident that occured during the recording session= s for the new disc he did with Fripp(The Equatorial Stars)  where he ta= pped up via footswitch an incorrect sampling rate for the recorder to utiliz= e which proved unusable after 2 plus hours of incredible performance being s= hoved into it by he and Fripp. He stated that this error was due to new foot= wear he had recently purchased.As to the EDP pedal, it remains the weakest a= spect of the product, while being the most economical and practical to produ= ce during all the many phases of it's manufacture. Practical alternatives fo= r this stock controller have been well documented on this list, as well as o= ther conjectures of foot controllers for other loop devices.Perhaps toe shoe= s will prove the answer. I use a JamMan which makes the possibility of my dr= unken foot erasing all the current loops quite real and keeps the spirit of=20= looping as containing an element of hazard,quite alive when coupled with no=20= "undo" function to boot.But smart and sober people with small feet should ha= ve no difficulty.Perhaps there could be a "Training" game not unlike Twister= where you have to spin a dial to determine a command to enter via your EDP=20= pedal so you can practice in a fun way......

            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;   bryan helm --part1_1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 19:29:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8FNQVR10196; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f0409151626e53a2c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:26:22 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) In-Reply-To: <1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1f0.2adfa9e5.2e7a278c@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't go wrong with VANS !!! I have a funny performance tape of my band where I decided to wear these doc marten type boots on stage. That was the biggest mistake ever. At one point you can hear me tapping my midi controller like crazy because I double pressed a few buttons causing the entire bank to change - its hard to figure out where you are at when you are trying to keep the song going and read your LED display on the floor. VANS make me feel like i'm walking on air when on stage - just don't wear the classic checkered slip ons - you may cause vertigo - and please - I can't stress this enough - leave your OP shorts and Hang Ten shirts at home!!!! =) ----- Original Message ----- From: loopbozo@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:17:32 EDT Subject: Re: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com I recently read a short blurb online from Brian Eno about an incident that occured during the recording sessions for the new disc he did with Fripp(The Equatorial Stars) where he tapped up via footswitch an incorrect sampling rate for the recorder to utilize which proved unusable after 2 plus hours of incredible performance being shoved into it by he and Fripp. He stated that this error was due to new footwear he had recently purchased.As to the EDP pedal, it remains the weakest aspect of the product, while being the most economical and practical to produce during all the many phases of it's manufacture. Practical alternatives for this stock controller have been well documented on this list, as well as other conjectures of foot controllers for other loop devices.Perhaps toe shoes will prove the answer. I use a JamMan which makes the possibility of my drunken foot erasing all the current loops quite real and keeps the spirit of looping as containing an element of hazard,quite alive when coupled with no "undo" function to boot.But smart and sober people with small feet should have no difficulty.Perhaps there could be a "Training" game not unlike Twister where you have to spin a dial to determine a command to enter via your EDP pedal so you can practice in a fun way...... bryan helm -- Joey Aguilera http://www.voodoogarden.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 20:45:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G0fUb17402; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c49b86$77e16680$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040915115218.35613.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand - about mastering Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:45:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.210.42] at Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:49 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would add that getting your CD professionally mastered is a step often people overlook, but one that can really help make your music sound more like what you buy. Here are things you can do to prepare for the session whether you can be present at the mastering, or not. 1) Bring along / send some music that has similar instrumentation / vibe as yours and that you like a lot - that helps point things in the right direction. 2) Talk to the mastering engineer about what you like and don't like in general about some recordings - that helps establish your goals and the communication you need to have. 3) Point out specific passages in your music that you want the mastering engineer to be aware of or that you want him/her to treat - that helps you get the engineer focused on what you want him/her to focus on 4) Don't be afraid to ask questions - that gets you the right to say "NO" to something! :-) Any good mastering studio will allow you to take something home / receive something in the mail and then ask for changes as part of the price. Here's an article about a mastering studio I use, and that I highly recommend. http://www.peerlessmastering.com/JeffLipton_TapeOpInterview.pdf And here's just a good article on mastering http://www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm Good luck! David UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_3...6.html?tag=list ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand > Hi Gang, > I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and i > want to attempt doing the artwork myself although i am > not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and > easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also i > know this has been asked before but can u also let me > know what CD brands are the best for burning the final > master? > many thanx to u all! > L.a > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 20:55:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G0pvN19407; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040916004835.40934.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6nbaR.A.koE.pLOSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not talking about the "slots" (which I don't use anyway), I'm talking about what a pain in the butt it is when you're playing a live instrument in real time and have to hold a footswitch down for two full seconds to clear the memory before recording a loop. I'm not "selecting phrases" stored in advance, I'm playing them. My rig contains several different looping devices, and the RC20 is the ONLY one with this constraint. -t- --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > Why not simply turn the phrase select knob to a new > slot? > Or better, if you don't mind another pedal > cluttering things up you can use a > pedal to switch the phrase slot thus avoiding > stooping that spoils the > performer's heroic profile. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 21:14:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G1Bub21573; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:11:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:11:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-To: <41482DE1.2040503@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSbG3rOPil2VmtTR5K6dELXG98eMQAbiHwQ Message-Id: <20040916011103.TAIE13013.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Rex wrote: > I should have asked Bill Fox directly, but I thought others on the > List might be interested in the festival that he's involved with. > > Tom ********************* Hi Tom, I'm not currently on LD because I just returned from vacation and haven't had the chance to rejoin, yet. So please forward this if desired. The mirror site address is http://differentskies.com and needs updating, of course! The event starts on Monday, October 4 and culminates the following Saturday with a public concert at Arcosanti, 65 miles north of Phoenix, Arizona. Please contact me if you have any specific questions. Cheers, Bill Fox http://soundscapes.us/bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 21:43:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G1f2W25120; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004941615036330@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:50:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407cf519583fb441faf72d011a10c501da350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.131 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Steve. I will check out the links and also your site. Peace Out, Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 22:07:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G24os28237; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:04:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <8.5771f155.2e7a4e96@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:04:06 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5M3y4B.A.e4G.jSPSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/15/04 5:48:50 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: << I'm not "selecting phrases" stored in advance, I'm playing them. >> Not selecting phrases, I was just thinking that switching to a fresh empty slot is the same as deleting within a slot - it is a free place to start a new loop. Or perhaps I misunderstand. Anyway, the 2 sec. hold is indeed a constraint. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 23:15:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G3DLt04074; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <414842B4.6070601@eden.rutgers.edu> References: <414842B4.6070601@eden.rutgers.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <416A5D91-078E-11D9-9A34-000A95718184@baymoon.com> From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: SP505 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:12:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8G3Cla03992 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it works like the SP-808, then recording while pads are playing back also records those pads. Mark On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:25 AM, George Ericson wrote: > Thanks for the reply Ben.  The resample procedure seems that it could > be a little cumbersome and not without its gaps, but I suppose that > the 8 polyphonic tracks would be enough for layering anyway.  One > thing that I wanted to get clarification on is "can't play a pad and > record another one at the same time".  Are you saying that the > execution of any record function, internal or external source, results > in the stopping of output? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 00:35:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G4YRN14743; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.172.67] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:18:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 04:18:06.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC74220:01C49BA4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hi Luis

If you need a hand with doing any cover art  for your C.D and you would like some technical help to achive what you have in mind I would gladly offer you the next couple of weeks of my time for free.

  I am a third year B. A honours student in Fine Art, at the moment I am specialising in digital imaging and  Photography. I have done a few covers for local bands and the like and would be more then happy to throw some ideas togeather withyou via email.

one of the beautys of this technology is that I can potter around here in england and send anything I come up with to whereever you are.

anyways I hope that I can be of some assistance to you, if not dont worry I wont be offended

All the best 

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 02:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G67Wj23488; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:06:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings In-Reply-To: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- Just to emphasize since others seem to have this issue: for stereo Echoplex units, Threshold recording will cause the loops to go out of sync. You need to set Threshold = 0. The threshold parameter sets an audio threshold so that loop recording does not start until you begin playing. With stereo and threshold on, both units will begin in a mode waiting for the audio. The audio will always arrive slightly different between the two units, so it will cross the threshold at slightly different times to start the recording. The loops will therefore usually end up being slightly different lengths, and they drift out of sync. We tried for some time to think of a way to make this work but never found it. kim At 07:26 AM 9/10/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: >After struggling with getting my two new EDPs to sync in stereo via >BrotherSync, Kim Flint came in to save my Friday. My final parameter >settings are below, and I've noted the setting that did the trick in >addition to what is recommended in the manual. >Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET TO 0) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 02:51:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G6mVR27457; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ben" To: Subject: RE: SP505 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:47:41 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <416A5D91-078E-11D9-9A34-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Importance: Normal if-filter0: Y Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the execution of any record function, internal or external source, results in the stopping of output. When you press "rec" (=new sound) or "resample" (=merge sounds), the unit check the free pads (which start blinking) and stops every playing one. You can then select the pad, the recording quality, a tempo quantise, effects, trigger threshold,... Mark is right when saying that if you press pads when recording in "resample mode" the new content (input pad) and pressed pads contents are merged BUT AFAIK you can't go from play to record without stopping the sound. The other way is OK (rec to play) as long as you record on the internal memory (30s on the SP303). Hope this clarify things. Ben. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Envoyé : jeudi 16 septembre 2004 5:13 > À : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet : Re: SP505 > > > If it works like the SP-808, then recording while pads are playing back > also records those pads. > > Mark > > On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:25 AM, George Ericson wrote: > > > Thanks for the reply Ben.  The resample procedure seems that it could > > be a little cumbersome and not without its gaps, but I suppose that > > the 8 polyphonic tracks would be enough for layering anyway.  One > > thing that I wanted to get clarification on is "can't play a pad and > > record another one at the same time".  Are you saying that the > > execution of any record function, internal or external source, results > > in the stopping of output? > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps > réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m _____________________________________________________________________ Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 02:52:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G6oAH27721; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040916064940.8177.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:49:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, Phill you came in just at the right time! Thank you, i am delighted about your offer and would be more than grateful, i am in Europe as well. Maybe i can send you the music and u can throw some ideas.I can also send you grafic material if u need. Let me know,ok? cheers and thank u kindly Luis --- lol c wrote: --------------------------------- Hi Luis If you need a hand with doing any cover art for your C.D and you would like some technical help to achive what you have in mind I would gladly offer you the next couple of weeks of my time for free. I am a third year B. A honours student in Fine Art, at the moment I am specialising in digital imaging and Photography. I have done a few covers for local bands and the like and would be more then happy to throw some ideas togeather withyou via email. one of the beautys of this technology is that I can potter around here in england and send anything I come up with to whereever you are. anyways I hope that I can be of some assistance to you, if not dont worry I wont be offended All the best Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface --------------------------------- Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the FREE MSN Toolbar now! ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 02:58:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G6umu28706; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040916065632.74801.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand - about mastering To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c49b86$77e16680$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx alo David! Luis --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I would add that getting your CD professionally > mastered is a step often > people overlook, but one that can really help make > your music sound more > like what you buy. > > Here are things you can do to prepare for the > session whether you can be > present at the mastering, or not. > > 1) Bring along / send some music that has similar > instrumentation / vibe as > yours and that you like a lot - that helps point > things in the right > direction. > 2) Talk to the mastering engineer about what you > like and don't like in > general about some recordings - that helps establish > your goals and the > communication you need to have. > 3) Point out specific passages in your music that > you want the mastering > engineer to be aware of or that you want him/her to > treat - that helps you > get the engineer focused on what you want him/her to > focus on > 4) Don't be afraid to ask questions - that gets you > the right to say "NO" to > something! :-) > > Any good mastering studio will allow you to take > something home / receive > something in the mail and then ask for changes as > part of the price. > > Here's an article about a mastering studio I use, > and that I highly > recommend. > http://www.peerlessmastering.com/JeffLipton_TapeOpInterview.pdf > > And here's just a good article on mastering > http://www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm > > Good luck! > > David > UNDO > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_3...6.html?tag=list > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:52 AM > Subject: CD grafik software and mastering CD brand > > > > Hi Gang, > > I am geting ready to release my first loop CD and > i > > want to attempt doing the artwork myself although > i am > > not a grafik designer,can u recomend me a good and > > easy software(not photoshop) for this purpose?also > i > > know this has been asked before but can u also let > me > > know what CD brands are the best for burning the > final > > master? > > many thanx to u all! > > L.a > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 03:45:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G7fMI32579; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:41:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:45:33 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP pedals From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: Ew7OyGZXreyUmq5awfoJQRPkxTvSBAT24kwqCusyzpHSwPp3NDhb8P X-TOI-MSGID: b0511f1f-e600-46e5-a777-5fef40e2e55b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have rather big feet as well but I did get comfortable with the analog EDP footcontroller real soon. I even miniaturized it with a hatch-saw: I just cut off the outer part of the pedal (after the INSERT button, which is the fourth button from the left) and installed the remaining three buttons in a second row above/in between the original row. It used less space now and is even better to operate for me now since the distance between RECORD and NEXT LOOP is shorter now. Ciao, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 03:52:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G7nn500814; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040916074916.4043.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP footswitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys get the FCB1010 ,it takes a little programming but your problems will be gone! i remember restling with this issues and even thinking there was something wrong with the EDP until i got rid of it.And you get the bonus of using expression pedals plus all other midi functions which aren´t possible with the faulty EDP footswitch! Good luck Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 04:09:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8G86nH03085; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.213.251] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:35:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 07:06:29.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[B02E7200:01C49BBB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com







Hi there

I thought you might like to share my button combinations, I have them set up for using the FCB1010 with both the EDP and the Repeater.

Heres each of the pages that I use

PAGE 0 (this is my NORMAL FUNCTIONS PAGE) - have laid it out as u look at it!!!

6--------------7-------------------8----------------9-----------------------0

undo-----1/2speed----- reverse--------Replace-------------Change Loop

1----------------2----------3--------------4------------5
Rec----Overdub----multiply--------insert----rehearse

 

PAGE 1 (this is my SUS page)

same as above but with  undo replaced by MUTE and all functions in their SUS state.

 

PAGE 9 (COMMANDS LIST)

I know this is out of numeric order, but it allows me to be one page away from normal conditions to change presets, I have these set to  1,6 quantised to 8th (my usual setting) ,one with midi in on and one with midi in off 2,7 cycle again with midi on or off variants, 3,8 smae but with loop quant , finally 4,9 for free form no quants, I also have 5,0 with 8 loops setup instrad of 2 in case i ever want to do a lot of small differant loops.

-----------------------------------REPEATER------------------------------------------------------------

 

I have these on pages 4 and 5 cos I always wanted a buffer incase i expanded my EDP use!!!

PAGE 4 (REPEATER RECORDING PAGE)

6--------------7-------------------8----------------9-----------------------0------------------------

undo-----start stop----- reverse--------multiply-------------toggle fdback 100/30%

1-----------------2----------3--------------4----------------5

rec tr1-----rec tr2---rec trc3---rec trc4------tap tempo

 

PAGE 5 (REPEATER MANIPULATION PAGE)

here the upper numbers 6,7,8,9, each select tracks 1,2,3,4 and turns the FXloop on or off and the numbers 1,2,3,4, turn  the track mute for each track on or off, 0 turns the insert on to the input and 5 turns the insert to all tracks on.

 

I know this has been a bit longer explaination then i thought it would be and i hope that it wa helpful to someone, i consider the FCB to be the midi pedal that can across the board most suit my needs,,,,,,,,,or for all the EDP settings remeber to also programme the pedals for feedback and volume if you want to use them that way cos that needs to be saved in every preset.

 And by the way I also dont wear shoes onstage, I have a rether nice rug that  I laydown myself that looks kind of mystic and cool and protects my feet from loose boards and splinters.happy looping!!!!!!

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 09:00:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GCtFU02509; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:32:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> --- shane wrote: >>> The footswitch system boss uses stinks >>> for looping till you get used to it, >> >> The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to >> hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a >> loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. >> >> Anyone know if this is still the same in the XL? >> >> -t- > >hold on now...two(2) FULL seconds? that aint shite :-) >looping w/ my trustee PCM42s when i quit a loop i have to wait for the whole >length of the loop(up to 20sec.) to dump before startin up again! >know any in between loop jokes/banter? >seeya >s you know, back then we did not have the technology and knowledge to do it better. but when they build the RC20 they could have watched one of you guys for an hour... you think I am glad they did not? No... the Roland 3000 was rather hard: to tap the tempo (which the PCM42 could not do at all) you had to press 3 times or so, and only about 1,5 loops later it started to sound... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 09:49:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GDfU108217; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:42:07 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP pedals From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, this is loopers delight at its best -- thanks for the info, guys. I seem to have fixed my problem by (insert shamefaced expression here) cleaning my pedals -- they're ones with metal switches, but boy were they dirty. Much better now- and I'll probably try the wrestling shoe idea too. The Behringer pedal does seem too big to me -- I like to keep my gear as compact as possible so I probably won't explore that, tho it would be great to have a separate pedal for going from parameter set to parameter set . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 10:02:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GDth810015; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:55:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:55:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP pedals Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:58:01 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's the reason that stops me from going for the Behringer piece, too. Actually you CAN go from parameter set to parameter set with the POEP (plain old Echoplex pedal)! If you haven't configured INSERT to Halfspeed you can press INSERT when in Reset and go up to the next higher Preset or press MUTE to go down to the previous preset. B. > -----Original Message----- > From: steve.sandberg [mailto:steve.sandberg@earthlink.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 15:42 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP pedals > > > wow, this is loopers delight at its best -- thanks for the info, guys. > I seem to have fixed my problem by (insert shamefaced expression here) > cleaning my pedals -- they're ones with metal switches, but boy were they > dirty. Much better now- and I'll probably try the wrestling shoe > idea too. > The Behringer pedal does seem too big to me -- I like to keep my gear as > compact as possible so I probably won't explore that, tho it > would be great > to have a separate pedal for going from parameter set to > parameter set . . . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 10:12:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GE7HA11767; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <71F67DFF-07E9-11D9-844D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: EDP pedals Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:05:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <9sfcVB.A.62C.o3ZSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 16, 2004, at 6:58 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > That's the reason that stops me from going for the Behringer piece, > too. > Actually you CAN go from parameter set to parameter set with the POEP > (plain > old Echoplex pedal)! > If you haven't configured INSERT to Halfspeed you can press INSERT > when in > Reset and go up to the next higher Preset or press MUTE to go down to > the > previous preset. > B. Hi Loopies, An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been using for years now. www.rolls.com You can buy directly from them. They also have an upgraded pedal with the same low profile. The pedal is a real tank, far superior in construction to all of the Berhinger type pedals. I just sold my Berhinger yesterday to opt for another RFX. Anyone have experience with the Electrix Repeater? See you all at Y2K4, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 10:42:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GEeZu15859; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c49bfb$812ca5e0$b1a8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:43:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.168.177] at Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:38:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <5dxbJD.A.M0D.sVaSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim - The default setting on the Loop IV is Threshold = 0 --- yes? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings > Hi- > > Just to emphasize since others seem to have this issue: for stereo Echoplex > units, Threshold recording will cause the loops to go out of sync. You need > to set Threshold = 0. > > The threshold parameter sets an audio threshold so that loop recording does > not start until you begin playing. With stereo and threshold on, both units > will begin in a mode waiting for the audio. The audio will always arrive > slightly different between the two units, so it will cross the threshold at > slightly different times to start the recording. The loops will therefore > usually end up being slightly different lengths, and they drift out of > sync. We tried for some time to think of a way to make this work but never > found it. > > kim > > At 07:26 AM 9/10/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >After struggling with getting my two new EDPs to sync in stereo via > >BrotherSync, Kim Flint came in to save my Friday. My final parameter > >settings are below, and I've noted the setting that did the trick in > >addition to what is recommended in the manual. > > >Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET TO 0) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 10:47:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GEh4g16395; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rolls Midi pedal Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:20:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 14:20:15.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[4925B860:01C49BF8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Loopies, > >An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been using for >years now. www.rolls.com >You can buy directly from them. They also have an upgraded pedal with the >same low profile. It looks like the rolls pedal only sends program changes. No? JS _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 10:57:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GEr8L17764; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:53:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Rolls Midi pedal Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:51:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <8iwD9.A.AUE.piaSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Jason Spring wrote: >> Hi Loopies, >> >> An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been >> using for years now. www.rolls.com >> You can buy directly from them. They also have an upgraded pedal with >> the same low profile. > > > It looks like the rolls pedal only sends program changes. No? Looks like Yes. > > JS > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 10:57:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GErGB17770; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4149A989.5020500@eden.rutgers.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:56:09 -0400 From: George Ericson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SP505 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030003080908090609080906" Resent-Message-ID: <-uxU9C.A._UE.KjaSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030003080908090609080906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you, to both Ben and Mark, for your responses to my inquiries. Your comments were quite useful. I'm not sure that the 505 will be very useful in my setup after all. If I find any other information I'll be sure to post it. George Ben wrote: >Yes, the execution of any record function, internal or external source, >results in the stopping of output. >When you press "rec" (=new sound) or "resample" (=merge sounds), the unit >check the free pads (which start blinking) and stops every playing one. You >can then select the pad, the recording quality, a tempo quantise, effects, >trigger threshold,... > >Mark is right when saying that if you press pads when recording in "resample >mode" the new content (input pad) and pressed pads contents are merged BUT >AFAIK you can't go from play to record without stopping the sound. The other >way is OK (rec to play) as long as you record on the internal memory (30s on >the SP303). > >Hope this clarify things. > >Ben. > > > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] >>Envoyé : jeudi 16 septembre 2004 5:13 >>À : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Objet : Re: SP505 >> >> >>If it works like the SP-808, then recording while pads are playing back >>also records those pads. >> >>Mark >> >>On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:25 AM, George Ericson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks for the reply Ben. The resample procedure seems that it could >>>be a little cumbersome and not without its gaps, but I suppose that >>>the 8 polyphonic tracks would be enough for layering anyway. One >>>thing that I wanted to get clarification on is "can't play a pad and >>>record another one at the same time". Are you saying that the >>>execution of any record function, internal or external source, results >>>in the stopping of output? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >>réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m > > > --------------030003080908090609080906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, to both Ben and Mark, for your responses to my inquiries.  Your comments were quite useful.  I'm not sure that the 505 will be very useful in my setup after all.  If I find any other information I'll be sure to post it.

George


Ben wrote:
Yes, the execution of any record function, internal or external source,
results in the stopping of output.
When you press "rec" (=new sound) or "resample" (=merge sounds), the unit
check the free pads (which start blinking) and stops every playing one. You
can then select the pad, the recording quality, a tempo quantise, effects,
trigger threshold,...

Mark is right when saying that if you press pads when recording in "resample
mode" the new content (input pad) and pressed pads contents are merged BUT
AFAIK you can't go from play to record without stopping the sound. The other
way is OK (rec to play) as long as you record on the internal memory (30s on
the SP303).

Hope this clarify things.

Ben.

  
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com]
Envoyé : jeudi 16 septembre 2004 5:13
À : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet : Re: SP505


If it works like the SP-808, then recording while pads are playing back
also records those pads.

Mark

On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:25 AM, George Ericson wrote:

    
 Thanks for the reply Ben.  The resample procedure seems that it could
be a little cumbersome and not without its gaps, but I suppose that
the 8 polyphonic tracks would be enough for layering anyway.  One
thing that I wanted to get clarification on is "can't play a pad and
record another one at the same time".  Are you saying that the
execution of any record function, internal or external source, results
in the stopping of output?



      
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--------------030003080908090609080906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 11:24:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GFMKi22652; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040916152140.26506.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: EDP pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <71F67DFF-07E9-11D9-844D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <213zdB.A.ngF.F-aSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Larry Cooperman wrote: > An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been using > for years now. www.rolls.com > You can buy directly from them. They also have an upgraded pedal with > the same low profile. > The pedal is a real tank, far superior in construction to all of the > Berhinger type pedals. I just sold my Berhinger yesterday to opt for > another RFX. > > Anyone have experience with the Electrix Repeater? Unless you can program it, it's useless for controlling a Repeater, since the common functions you need from a foot controller are scattered all over the range of PC messages. From looking at the manual, this appears to be a VERY basic midi controller, which you can't program. It also costs more then the fully programmable FCB1010 (direct from Rolls, cheaper through Zzounds). The fcb1010 is a little bit large, but it's comfortable to use for me. Greg _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 11:25:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GFGdX21743; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409161516.i8GFG4a21636@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Rolls Midi pedal Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:16:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSb/RjmsBkKe2nrTeW6Y0XKBq0VIwAAUmbA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read the pdf manual and that does seem to be the case there is another model mpx 1288 MidiWizard that sends cc and sends on multiple Midi channels. I have the older version of the DMC Ground Control which the RFX seems to be a clone of. I still prefer to use the Midi note feature of the Behringer and leave CC for other devices though I may eventually break down and change it to CC from Not and use the DMC. I still only really need/want ten buttons for the EDP mostly to use different Insert functions on the same pedal but, I still get by fine with the EFC-7. You can actually build a scaled back Midi Foot Controller with a Pic 16 chip look here http://www.ucapps.de/floorboard.html and customize it to be an EDP only Midi pedal. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rolls Midi pedal On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Jason Spring wrote: >> Hi Loopies, >> >> An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been >> using for years now. www.rolls.com You can buy directly from them. >> They also have an upgraded pedal with the same low profile. > > > It looks like the rolls pedal only sends program changes. No? Looks like Yes. > > JS > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 13:18:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GHFqs03891; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <4149CA23.7060301@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:15:15 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rolls Midi pedal References: <200409161516.i8GFG4a21636@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200409161516.i8GFG4a21636@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the good thing of the midiwizard (which I use since many years) is that you have 8 cc inputs assignable to different midi channels. Beside that, it is a simple foot controller, small (very small) and silent (enough). luca www.unguitar.com AK wrote: >I read the pdf manual and that does seem to be the case there is another >model mpx 1288 MidiWizard that sends cc and sends on multiple Midi channels. >I have the older version of the DMC Ground Control which the RFX seems to be >a clone of. I still prefer to use the Midi note feature of the Behringer and >leave CC for other devices though I may eventually break down and change it >to CC from Not and use the DMC. I still only really need/want ten buttons >for the EDP mostly to use different Insert functions on the same pedal but, >I still get by fine with the EFC-7. You can actually build a scaled back >Midi Foot Controller with a Pic 16 chip look here >http://www.ucapps.de/floorboard.html and customize it to be an EDP only Midi >pedal. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:51 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Rolls Midi pedal > > >On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Jason Spring wrote: > > > >>>Hi Loopies, >>> >>>An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been >>>using for years now. www.rolls.com You can buy directly from them. >>>They also have an upgraded pedal with the same low profile. >>> >>> >>It looks like the rolls pedal only sends program changes. No? >> >> > >Looks like Yes. > > >>JS >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> >> >> >Larry Cooperman >New Millennium Guitar >http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 14:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GHq2q10098; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409161751.i8GHpHa09828@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Rolls Midi pedal Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:51:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4149CA23.7060301@unguitar.com> Thread-Index: AcScEOpyV9ZHUWhwQFGezsXS89XaogABGeBg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah same thing as mine heres a picture of the one I have http://www.vg-8.com/pedals/gcssystem You can get these off of ebay for $120 or so dollars they have been superceded by the ground control pro. It has two imputs for pedals which can also be assigned to different cc's on different Midi channels. -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rolls Midi pedal the good thing of the midiwizard (which I use since many years) is that you have 8 cc inputs assignable to different midi channels. Beside that, it is a simple foot controller, small (very small) and silent (enough). luca www.unguitar.com AK wrote: >I read the pdf manual and that does seem to be the case there is >another model mpx 1288 MidiWizard that sends cc and sends on multiple Midi channels. >I have the older version of the DMC Ground Control which the RFX seems >to be a clone of. I still prefer to use the Midi note feature of the >Behringer and leave CC for other devices though I may eventually break >down and change it to CC from Not and use the DMC. I still only really >need/want ten buttons for the EDP mostly to use different Insert >functions on the same pedal but, I still get by fine with the EFC-7. >You can actually build a scaled back Midi Foot Controller with a Pic 16 >chip look here http://www.ucapps.de/floorboard.html and customize it to >be an EDP only Midi pedal. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:51 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Rolls Midi pedal > > >On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Jason Spring wrote: > > > >>>Hi Loopies, >>> >>>An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been >>>using for years now. www.rolls.com You can buy directly from them. >>>They also have an upgraded pedal with the same low profile. >>> >>> >>It looks like the rolls pedal only sends program changes. No? >> >> > >Looks like Yes. > > >>JS >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> >> >> >Larry Cooperman >New Millennium Guitar >http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 14:13:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GI4af12646; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: 16 Sep 2004 18:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20040916180419.4165.qmail@webmail3.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Echoplex Digital Pro on eBay References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Dec 2003 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: Paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey: For those interested, I placed my Echoplex on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1287&item=3748922669&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 14:21:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GIJNg15988; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040916124415.03ad16c8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:15:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: EDP pedals In-Reply-To: <20040916152140.26506.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> References: <71F67DFF-07E9-11D9-844D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <20040916152140.26506.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 AM 9/16/2004, Greg House wrote: >--- Larry Cooperman wrote: > > > An RFX MP128 is a low profile MIDI control pedal that I have been using > > for years now. www.rolls.com > > > > Anyone have experience with the Electrix Repeater? > >Unless you can program it, it's useless for controlling a Repeater, since the >common functions you need from a foot controller are scattered all over >the range >of PC messages. From looking at the manual, this appears to be a VERY >basic midi >controller, which you can't program. It also costs more then the fully >programmable FCB1010 (direct from Rolls, cheaper through Zzounds). The >fcb1010 is >a little bit large, but it's comfortable to use for me. Well, it's not the first time I've banged this drum, but if you're looking at controlling *multiple* devices (i.e. EDP and Repeater and/or Echo Pro's or whatever...) here's another vote for the Peavey PC-1600x. While the 1600x is a tabletop fader control, it's easy to set up so that it can trigger messages from any stock pedalboard via program changes. That means you can hook up a tiny cheez-o MIDI pedal -- I'm using a little Digitech MC-7, with a footprint of only 14" x 7" -- and trigger any (and I mean *any*, regardless of type or MIDI channel) MIDI message(s) you need to send. There are two jacks in the back, so that you can plug in two separate footpedals and use them to control any fader or gang of faders. During load-out, the MC-7, PC-1600x, and two pedals get tossed handily into a rucksack, backpack or any other small bag. Super-functional, light, and portable. (addendum: this is not to dis the FCB, by any means. I like the Behringer, but its footpedals can't be set up for different messages on different MIDI channels from bank to bank. For instance, I couldn't link the footpedals to the filter cutoff on a synth and the pitch on the Repeater on one bank, then switch banks and have them control mix level on the Echo Pros and volume on a different synth. All that (and more) is no problem through the Peavey. Oh, and the FCB is a bit big for my tastes, although not impossibly so. Still, the Behringer may be the best option for a lot of people out there. To each their own...) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 15:23:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GJKqG27700; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:20:03 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c49c22$2b574fe0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000501c49bfb$812ca5e0$b1a8a344@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <9JCH0.A.9uG.qdeSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think so...this is why my new EDPs wouldn't sync right out of the box. Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Kim - The default setting on the Loop IV is Threshold = 0 --- yes? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings > Hi- > > Just to emphasize since others seem to have this issue: for stereo Echoplex > units, Threshold recording will cause the loops to go out of sync. You need > to set Threshold = 0. > > The threshold parameter sets an audio threshold so that loop recording does > not start until you begin playing. With stereo and threshold on, both units > will begin in a mode waiting for the audio. The audio will always > arrive slightly different between the two units, so it will cross the > threshold at > slightly different times to start the recording. The loops will > therefore usually end up being slightly different lengths, and they > drift out of sync. We tried for some time to think of a way to make > this work but never found it. > > kim > > At 07:26 AM 9/10/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >After struggling with getting my two new EDPs to sync in stereo via > >BrotherSync, Kim Flint came in to save my Friday. My final parameter > >settings are below, and I've noted the setting that did the trick in > >addition to what is recommended in the manual. > > >Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET > >TO 0) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 15:38:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GJZwA30058; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:35:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:37:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000401c49c22$2b574fe0$6a01a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually 0 for Threshold is default. When you're in Parameter editing mode and make a long press on the respective button, you'll jump to the default setting. Try setting Threshold to 4 or anything, then, without pressing Parameter button again, make a long press on the MUTE button and Threshold will jump to 0. I actually think it would be more useful if the long press wouldn't jump to the default but rather to the setting the parameter had before you started changing it. Regularly it happens to me that I navigate to a parameter, start changing it, realizing only later that it's the wrong parameter, not remembering what the setting was before I started changing... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 21:20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical > Parameter Settings > > > I don't think so...this is why my new EDPs wouldn't sync right out of > the box. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical > Parameter Settings > > > Kim - > > The default setting on the Loop IV is Threshold = 0 --- yes? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:06 AM > Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical > Parameter Settings > > > > Hi- > > > > Just to emphasize since others seem to have this issue: for stereo > Echoplex > > units, Threshold recording will cause the loops to go out of sync. You > need > > to set Threshold = 0. > > > > The threshold parameter sets an audio threshold so that loop recording > does > > not start until you begin playing. With stereo and threshold on, both > units > > will begin in a mode waiting for the audio. The audio will always > > arrive slightly different between the two units, so it will cross the > > threshold > at > > slightly different times to start the recording. The loops will > > therefore usually end up being slightly different lengths, and they > > drift out of sync. We tried for some time to think of a way to make > > this work but never found it. > > > > kim > > > > At 07:26 AM 9/10/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >After struggling with getting my two new EDPs to sync in stereo via > > >BrotherSync, Kim Flint came in to save my Friday. My final parameter > > >settings are below, and I've noted the setting that did the trick in > > >addition to what is recommended in the manual. > > > > >Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET > > >TO > 0) > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 16:10:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GK7kX03010; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1C82Wz2ZCQ-0001Re@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Rolls Midi pedal Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200409161751.i8GHpHa09828@hemlock.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcScEOpyV9ZHUWhwQFGezsXS89XaogABGeBgAAS+ErA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wound up selling my GC because I had constant problems with switches. The memory upgrade and software upgrade added another $50+, and it didn't send note on messages. They had a chance to make a better pedal with the Pro, but didn't. The LED was useless outside too. I use the Behringer, which works great for the EDP and is made better than the original GC. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Yeah same thing as mine heres a picture of the one I have > http://www.vg-8.com/pedals/gcssystem > You can get these off of ebay for $120 or so dollars they > have been superceded by the ground control pro. It has two > imputs for pedals which can also be assigned to different > cc's on different Midi channels. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 16:46:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GKiwo09126; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:44:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c49c2e$b2f8e060$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: OT: Echoplex eBay Price Revised Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:49:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C49C0D.2BAD44A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C49C0D.2BAD44A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those that might be interested, I revised my buy-it-now price down = to $850.00. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3748922669 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C49C0D.2BAD44A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hello,

I hope this is the right way to ask a question. Anyway, I recently received a Boss RC 20 as a gift and I love it!! I have had a great time exploring the myriad of possibilities it offers. My question is this: I would like to know the best way to take a loop I have stored and transfer it to my computer. I asked down at my local music store and they said I could try and get a USB type cord but the sound would probably be bad. They wanted to sell me a device for about $100.00 that was supposed to convert the signal to digital into my computer. Any information you can provide would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks!

Christopher


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 17:14:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GLD0R13787; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [130.36.62.126] X-Originating-Email: [cwk23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cwk23@hotmail.com From: "A Man" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:09:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 21:09:35.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[784F9AF0:01C49C31] Resent-Message-ID: <4P5cwD.A.nWD.LHgSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hello,

I hope this is the right way to ask a question. Anyway, I recently received a Boss RC 20 as a gift and I love it!! I have had a great time exploring the myriad of possibilities it offers. My question is this: I would like to know the best way to take a loop I have stored and transfer it to my computer. I asked down at my local music store and they said I could try and get a USB type cord but the sound would probably be bad. They wanted to sell me a device for about $100.00 that was supposed to convert the signal to digital into my computer. Any information you can provide would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks!

Christopher



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 17:16:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GL8vY12970; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:08:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:08:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4149FFDE.9080709@mem.li> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:04:30 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Echoplex eBay Price Revised References: <003601c49c2e$b2f8e060$885bd618@knology.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020407050000020808070902" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------020407050000020808070902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by the way: how much is a new gibson echoplex in the states? Paul wrote: > For those that might be interested, I revised my buy-it-now price down > to $850.00. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3748922669 > -- download zurrigo's free online demo .mp3 files www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------020407050000020808070902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by the way: how much is a new gibson echoplex in the states?

Paul wrote:
For those that might be interested, I revised my buy-it-now price down to $850.00.
 

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--------------020407050000020808070902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 17:37:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GLU7T16223; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:30:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409162129.i8GLTZa16120@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Rolls Midi pedal Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:29:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1C82Wz2ZCQ-0001Re@mrelay.perfora.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcScEOpyV9ZHUWhwQFGezsXS89XaogABGeBgAAS+ErAAAtRzsA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Never had any problems with mine I also have the fcb 1010 (which I rarely use except at home weighs a ton) Two midi pedals and I still only use the EFC-7 with the EDP ;D I really got to get off my duff and build that pic 16 version I don't even need the bank select just want 10 buttons. Anyone hear of a micro pedal that does midi note like only four more buttons added to the stock pedal? -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rolls Midi pedal I wound up selling my GC because I had constant problems with switches. The memory upgrade and software upgrade added another $50+, and it didn't send note on messages. They had a chance to make a better pedal with the Pro, but didn't. The LED was useless outside too. I use the Behringer, which works great for the EDP and is made better than the original GC. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Yeah same thing as mine heres a picture of the one I have > http://www.vg-8.com/pedals/gcssystem > You can get these off of ebay for $120 or so dollars they have been > superceded by the ground control pro. It has two imputs for pedals > which can also be assigned to different cc's on different Midi > channels. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 17:40:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GLcOr17599; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:38:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:38:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200409162129.i8GLTZa16120@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409162129.i8GLTZa16120@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C1F3842-0828-11D9-8358-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Repeater not beans Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:36:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So does anybody know the Electrix Repeater? Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 17:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GLmMk19000; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <414A0A05.6010709@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:47:49 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater not beans References: <200409162129.i8GLTZa16120@hemlock.violacea.com> <7C1F3842-0828-11D9-8358-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <7C1F3842-0828-11D9-8358-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Yk_8D.A.enE.IogSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone used to... be prepared to be invaded ... Larry Cooperman wrote: > So does anybody know the Electrix Repeater? > > > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 18:03:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GLxpV21133; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <414A0BCD.3020208@mem.li> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:55:25 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDPedalstopic References: <200409162129.i8GLTZa16120@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090508090909020002080104" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------090508090909020002080104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have thought of buying the beringer midi-pedal as well as one of those heavy duty organ player foot pedals (the ones looking like giant piano keys) to send control change, respectively note-on messages to the "Plex" - but apart from being too big, too heavy and too expensive I have come to the conclusion (after almost seven years of almost daily use) that it proves much less stressful to have a contact spray can for emergencies (wd 60 has been recommended to me by an electrician for not clogging up compounds) and a handfull (meaning seven or eight) of those black and red replace buttons, a soldering iron (soldering can be learnt by almost any person who has the physical and mental abilities to play a musical instrument) and a couple of other tools handy along with the original lightweight EDP footpedal on tour or wherever I happen to play A friend of mine has recommended me to cover the buttons with what the English call "Cling Film" but I've never tried that one Any(old or new)way: Good luck to all of you may the almighty microvoltage be with you henceforth phil -- download zurrigo's free online demo .mp3 files www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------090508090909020002080104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have thought of buying the beringer midi-pedal as well as one of those heavy duty organ player foot pedals (the ones looking like giant piano keys) to send control change, respectively note-on messages to the "Plex" - but apart from being too big, too heavy and too expensive I have come to the conclusion (after almost seven years of almost daily use) that it proves much less stressful to have a contact spray can for emergencies (wd 60 has been recommended to me by an electrician for not clogging up compounds) and a handfull (meaning seven or eight) of those black and red replace buttons, a soldering iron (soldering can be learnt by almost any person who has the physical and mental abilities to play a musical instrument) and a couple of other tools handy along with the original lightweight EDP footpedal on tour or wherever I happen to play

A friend of mine has recommended me to cover the buttons with what the English call "Cling Film" but I've never tried that one

Any(old or new)way: Good luck to all of you
may the almighty microvoltage be with you henceforth

phil
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--------------090508090909020002080104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 19:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8GNkIp03842; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.588916aa.2e7b7f8c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:45:16 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/16/04 2:01:36 PM, cwk23@hotmail.com writes: << My question is this: I would like to know the best way to take a loop I have stored and transfer it to my computer. >> Hi I don't know the best way but I'll tell you what I do. I take the output from the RC20, run it thru a small preamp and then straight into my old Mac computer's audio 1/8" jack. I then record the signal using a program called Ultra Recorder. There are preamps that function as D/A converters and preamps that can use USB so depends on the computer system needs. I have even recorded direct from the RC20 into the computer using a very long rca tipped cable with a 1/4" adaptor on one end an an 1/8th" adaptor on the other without a problem but you do have to do gain boosting and noise reduction using audio editing software. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 22:17:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H2A4J24067; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:10:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:10:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:08:58 EDT Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.16f61d90.2e7ba13a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <3IDdIC.A.r1F.HdkSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a0.16f61d90.2e7ba13a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/04 5:13:00 PM, cwk23@hotmail.com writes: > I would like to know the best way to take a loop I have stored and transfer > it to my computer > christopher.....what type of computer?.....i know very little about this but i think a MAC lets you go straight into the computer thru the AUDIO IN, no need for a USB port.....also what type of recording software do you have in your computer?......i know even less about PCs but since i'm just learning this stuff myself, i would be more than happy to share what i am learning although i'm sure that there is someone on this list that REALLY knows this stuff.....:).....michael p.s. chris, i also bet that this stuff (information) is not that really complex so stick with it ! --part1_a0.16f61d90.2e7ba13a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/16/04 5:13:00 PM, cwk23@hotmail.com writes:


I would like to know the best w= ay to take a loop I have stored and transfer it to my computer


christopher.....what type of computer?.....i know very little about this but= i think a MAC lets you go straight into the computer thru the AUDIO IN, no=20= need for a USB port.....also what type of recording software do you have in=20= your computer?......i know even less about PCs but since i'm just learning t= his stuff myself, i would be more than happy to share what i am learning alt= hough i'm sure that there is someone on this list that REALLY knows this stu= ff.....:).....michael
p.s. chris, i also bet that this stuff (information) is not that really comp= lex so stick with it ! --part1_a0.16f61d90.2e7ba13a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 23:34:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H3RX002353; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:27:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:43:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is probably my least favorite thing about the EDP since I happen to really like using threshold recording. Well, this coupled with the fact that unlike the Jamman you can't make an EDP interoperate with a stereo signal without a mixer. Hence, the choices seem to be: * 2 EDPs in the rack but forego threshold recording * 1 EDP and a line mixer in the rack I've just switched over to the first configuration. Still to be seen whether I stick with it. I really wish I could find a small box I could stick in the back of my rack to take a stereo signal, feed off a mono-mix to the EDP, and then mix the mono return with the existing stereo signal. Mark On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Hi- > > Just to emphasize since others seem to have this issue: for stereo > Echoplex units, Threshold recording will cause the loops to go out of > sync. You need to set Threshold = 0. > > The threshold parameter sets an audio threshold so that loop recording > does not start until you begin playing. With stereo and threshold on, > both units will begin in a mode waiting for the audio. The audio will > always arrive slightly different between the two units, so it will > cross the threshold at slightly different times to start the > recording. The loops will therefore usually end up being slightly > different lengths, and they drift out of sync. We tried for some time > to think of a way to make this work but never found it. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 23:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H3pYS06226; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c49c6a$36531ee0$bbf0a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:55:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.240.187] at Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:51:02 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to use one EDP...try using a short stereo delay and a stereo reverb - it will add space. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings > This is probably my least favorite thing about the EDP since I happen > to really like using threshold recording. Well, this coupled with the > fact that unlike the Jamman you can't make an EDP interoperate with a > stereo signal without a mixer. Hence, the choices seem to be: > > * 2 EDPs in the rack but forego threshold recording > * 1 EDP and a line mixer in the rack > > I've just switched over to the first configuration. Still to be seen > whether I stick with it. > > I really wish I could find a small box I could stick in the back of my > rack to take a stereo signal, feed off a mono-mix to the EDP, and then > mix the mono return with the existing stereo signal. > > Mark > > On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > Hi- > > > > Just to emphasize since others seem to have this issue: for stereo > > Echoplex units, Threshold recording will cause the loops to go out of > > sync. You need to set Threshold = 0. > > > > The threshold parameter sets an audio threshold so that loop recording > > does not start until you begin playing. With stereo and threshold on, > > both units will begin in a mode waiting for the audio. The audio will > > always arrive slightly different between the two units, so it will > > cross the threshold at slightly different times to start the > > recording. The loops will therefore usually end up being slightly > > different lengths, and they drift out of sync. We tried for some time > > to think of a way to make this work but never found it. > > > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 01:00:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H4rKe14022; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:53:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040916215152.04d65dc0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:52:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings In-Reply-To: <000501c49bfb$812ca5e0$b1a8a344@hppav> References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> <000501c49bfb$812ca5e0$b1a8a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:43 AM 9/16/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >The default setting on the Loop IV is Threshold = 0 --- yes? Yes, that's correct. That was default on previous software versions also. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 01:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H4vll15215; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c49c73$82212980$bbf0a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> <000501c49bfb$812ca5e0$b1a8a344@hppav> <6.1.2.0.2.20040916215152.04d65dc0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.240.187] at Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:57:36 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK - that's what I thought. Thanks. So, my problem is prolly form the obie/gibson mix I have. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings > At 07:43 AM 9/16/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >The default setting on the Loop IV is Threshold = 0 --- yes? > > Yes, that's correct. That was default on previous software versions also. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 01:04:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H51J116052; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040916220009.04d93440@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:01:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater not beans In-Reply-To: <7C1F3842-0828-11D9-8358-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> References: <200409162129.i8GLTZa16120@hemlock.violacea.com> <7C1F3842-0828-11D9-8358-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:36 PM 9/16/2004, Larry Cooperman wrote: >So does anybody know the Electrix Repeater? Have you seen the section for it on the looper tools page at Looper's Delight? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/repeater.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 02:48:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H6lEF29647; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040917064635.10626.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-fGJbB.A.lOH.RhoSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Phill, Your setup is interesting! is it possible to send a program change and a cc simultaneously to the repeater so when you press the buttons it will call trc1---trc2---trc3---trc4 and go into record mode respectively? i have rec on 1, start/stop on 2,multiply on 3, reverse on 4 and undo on 5, and then buttons 6,7,8,9, call the repeaters tracks 1,2,3,4 which i can fade in or out.Then i have all of the other functions like track mute etc.on the next bank. Cheers Luis --- lol c wrote: --------------------------------- Hi there I thought you might like to share my button combinations, I have them set up for using the FCB1010 with both the EDP and the Repeater. Heres each of the pages that I use PAGE 0 (this is my NORMAL FUNCTIONS PAGE) - have laid it out as u look at it!!! 6--------------7-------------------8----------------9-----------------------0 undo-----1/2speed----- reverse--------Replace-------------Change Loop 1----------------2----------3--------------4------------5 Rec----Overdub----multiply--------insert----rehearse PAGE 1 (this is my SUS page) same as above but with undo replaced by MUTE and all functions in their SUS state. PAGE 9 (COMMANDS LIST) I know this is out of numeric order, but it allows me to be one page away from normal conditions to change presets, I have these set to 1,6 quantised to 8th (my usual setting) ,one with midi in on and one with midi in off 2,7 cycle again with midi on or off variants, 3,8 smae but with loop quant , finally 4,9 for free form no quants, I also have 5,0 with 8 loops setup instrad of 2 in case i ever want to do a lot of small differant loops. -----------------------------------REPEATER------------------------------------------------------------ I have these on pages 4 and 5 cos I always wanted a buffer incase i expanded my EDP use!!! PAGE 4 (REPEATER RECORDING PAGE) 6--------------7-------------------8----------------9-----------------------0------------------------ undo-----start stop----- reverse--------multiply-------------toggle fdback 100/30% 1-----------------2----------3--------------4----------------5 rec tr1-----rec tr2---rec trc3---rec trc4------tap tempo PAGE 5 (REPEATER MANIPULATION PAGE) here the upper numbers 6,7,8,9, each select tracks 1,2,3,4 and turns the FXloop on or off and the numbers 1,2,3,4, turn the track mute for each track on or off, 0 turns the insert on to the input and 5 turns the insert to all tracks on. I know this has been a bit longer explaination then i thought it would be and i hope that it wa helpful to someone, i consider the FCB to be the midi pedal that can across the board most suit my needs,,,,,,,,,or for all the EDP settings remeber to also programme the pedals for feedback and volume if you want to use them that way cos that needs to be saved in every preset. And by the way I also dont wear shoes onstage, I have a rether nice rug that I laydown myself that looks kind of mystic and cool and protects my feet from loose boards and splinters.happy looping!!!!!! Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface --------------------------------- Fed up of receiving junk e-mail? Find out how to deal with spam here. ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 05:17:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8H9F3115725; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c49c96$b6d31210$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: , References: <000401c49c22$2b574fe0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:14:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry. I Know it is Or its a LD conspiracy to yield traffic..... When some one gets a new toy he always touches any button,parameter without knowing what he does then asks on LD then eventually goes to the manual :-) Claude > I don't think so...this is why my new EDPs wouldn't sync right out of > the box. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 09:51:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HDhje16756; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:37:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 13:37:45.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[83EFE150:01C49CBB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Phill, >Your setup is interesting! >is it possible to send a program change and a cc >simultaneously to the repeater so when you press the >buttons it will call trc1---trc2---trc3---trc4 and go >into record mode respectively? I'm beating Phil to the punch and answering your question: Yes! you most certainly CAN send pc messages along with cc messages (and even a note message) all with a single press. You can actually send 5 pc messages and toggle between two cc messages/values with each button. I was setup like Phil with direct one button track recording, but I tried switching things around. I have it set up similarly to you, in that four buttons select tracks 1-4 (as well as toggles between full volume and mute for that track) and then I have the bottom row set up with record, play, stop, multiply, and undo, etc. That's just in one bank. I have about three different banks programmed, all replications of the first, but with small differences (track select buttons also toggle pitch changes, or slip changes, etc.). For all it's downs, the FCB1010 sure has a lot of ups for the money. Jason _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:08:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HE4a619910; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.45.6] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:02:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 14:02:37.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCE2AE50:01C49CBE] Resent-Message-ID: <8WVhWD.A.w1E.T7uSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been looking for a piece of drum machine software for awhile now. There's a dizzying array of programs available, most of which look incredibly complex. I've tried one or two demos and found the learning curve to be huge. Admittedly, I'm used to just starting up any programming and being able to intuitively figure out how to work it. But the drum machine programs have been kind of intimidating. To give an idea of how braindead I am with these things, I picked up a Korg Electribe ES-1 and still couldn't figure out an easy, non-complicated way to use the darn thing. In the simplest sense, I'd like just a decent drum machine. More ideally, I'd like something that I could load with my own samples, and that I could trigger via MIDI or USB with an Akai MPD16 - basically trying to recreate, in a cheaper and more computer-based way, the functionality of an MPC2000. I'd like to be able to record drum rhythms in real-time, not necessarily just in step-programming. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. thanx, jj _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:19:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HEHdR22112; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:17:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F071DB2-08B4-11D9-83D0-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:17:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1qrquC.A.9YF.nHvSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 17, 2004, at 16:02, jj 179 wrote: > More ideally, I'd like something that I could load with my own > samples, and that I could trigger via MIDI or USB with an Akai MPD16 - > basically trying to recreate, in a cheaper and more computer-based > way, the functionality of an MPC2000. I'd like to be able to record > drum rhythms in real-time, not necessarily just in step-programming. If you have a Mac loaded with OS X and if you can live without recording drum rhythms in real-time I think iDrum would be fine with you. iDrum is actually inspired by the MPC60 and some people say it sounds like one. If you use a computer running Windows you might check out DR-008 by FXpansion. The latest version does work as a standalone and it's very well designed for easy use and good features. At the next level there is Ableton Live 4. Live can do what the MPC2000 does and a little more. Quite a lot more actually, you might think it's overkill for the special use you have in mind. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:19:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HECoD21231; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: OT - Laptop soundcard and HD Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:11:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c49cc0$3909bd50$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C49C85.8CAAE550" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001c01c49ad1$4acce1c0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C49C85.8CAAE550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a Gateway p4 laptop that I bought a little over a year ago for some work. It has spent it's last 6 months as a glorified jukebox playing iTunes. The gear junkie just bought an iPod, though, so now the laptop sits at home. I'd like to tryout using Ableton Live on it and seeing if I could put together some sort of portable rig. Does anyone have any experience with the Echo Indigo I/O? It seems like the PC card soundcard option is the least troublesome of all of the formats. I do have a firewire port, but I'm worried about latency, self powering the firewire unit, dropouts, adding another firewire device, etc. USB seems troublesome and hi-latency. I'm also going to use the two ports I have for mouse and midi i/o. My big question is how you might pre-listen in Live with the Echo I/O's 'console' feature. It says that your software will see 8 outs, but those are 8 'virtual' outs which are remixed at the console, then spit out the 1/8" plug. If you wanted to prelisten on headphones, but not have that prelisten signal in your main mix.can it be accomplished? Also off-topic. In a desire to keep the rig simple and fun, I would like to not have a big firewire Hard Drive tacked onto the laptop. It's not going to do any serious 'gigging' in the near future. So that led me to think that an internal 7200 rpm hard drive in the laptop would suffice. Does anybody have any experience with using a 7200rpm drive in a laptop for audio work? I know they always recommend separate drives for apps and audio, and this is the way my desktop system is setup. But would a good speed drive suffice for the laptop? Maybe partition it into two volumes? Sorry for the off topic. If you have any resources where I could go, feel free to point me in the general direction. Thanks in advance, Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C49C85.8CAAE550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

I have a Gateway p4 laptop that I = bought a little over a year ago for some work.  It has spent it’s last 6 months = as a glorified jukebox playing iTunes.  The gear junkie just bought an = iPod, though, so now the laptop sits at = home.

 

I’d like to tryout using = Ableton Live on it and seeing if I could put together some sort of portable = rig.

 

Does anyone have any experience = with the Echo Indigo I/O?  It seems = like the PC card soundcard optio<= /st1:PersonName>n is the least troublesome of all of the formats.  I do have a firewire port, but I’m worried about latency, self powering the firewire unit, dropouts, adding another firewire device, etc.  USB seems = troublesome and hi-latency.  I’m = also going to use the two ports I have for mouse and midi i/o.

 

My big = question is how you might pre-listen in Live with the Echo I/O’s = ‘console’ feature.  It says that your = software will see 8 outs, but those are 8 ‘virtual’ outs which are = remixed at the console, then spit out the 1/8” plug.  If you wanted to prelisten on headphones, but not have that prelisten = signal in your main mix…can it be accomplished?

 

Also = off-topic.  In a desire = to keep the rig simple and fun, I would like to not have a big firewire Hard Drive tacked onto the laptop.  It’s not going to do any = serious = ‘gigging’ in the near future.  So = that led me to think that an internal 7200 rpm hard drive in the laptop would = suffice.  Does anybody have any = experience with using a 7200rpm drive in a laptop for = audio work?  I know they always = recommend separate drives for apps and audio<= /st1:PersonName>, and this is the way my desktop system is setup.  But would a good speed drive = suffice for the laptop?  Maybe = partition it into two volumes?  =

 

Sorry for the off topic.  If you have any resources where = I could go, feel free to point me in the general = direction.

 

Thanks in = advance,

Rich

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C49C85.8CAAE550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:28:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HENut23614; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.45.7] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 14:23:38.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC85CF30:01C49CC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops, should have mentioned I'm using a Windows box. Any Windows compatible suggestions? thx, jj >If you have a Mac loaded with OS X and if you can live without recording >drum rhythms in real-time I think iDrum would be fine with you. iDrum is >actually inspired by the MPC60 and some people say it sounds like one. If >you use a computer running Windows you might check out DR-008 by FXpansion. >The latest version does work as a standalone and it's very well designed >for easy use and good features. > >At the next level there is Ableton Live 4. Live can do what the MPC2000 >does and a little more. Quite a lot more actually, you might think it's >overkill for the special use you have in mind. > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.boysen.se >http://www.looproom.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:31:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HEN9P23359; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <07E19FD8-08B5-11D9-83D0-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:22:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <440uXD.A.LsF.4MvSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 17, 2004, at 15:37, Jason Spring wrote: >> Hi Phill, >> Your setup is interesting! >> is it possible to send a program change and a cc >> simultaneously to the repeater so when you press the >> buttons it will call trc1---trc2---trc3---trc4 and go >> into record mode respectively? > > > I'm beating Phil to the punch and answering your question: Yes! you > most certainly CAN send pc messages along with cc messages (and even a > note message) all with a single press. You can actually send 5 pc > messages and toggle between two cc messages/values with each button. I tried that with the Repeater and found that the Repeater can not always handle such a incoming "multi command". I experimented quite a lot but never found any rules. Some combinations were excepted by the Repeater and some were not. It seemed that the Repeater's "listening capability" is in someway dependent on the status of different tracks. Like if I had panned or transposed certain tracks lately. I ended up playing it all safe by using very few multi command buttons in my FCB1010 bank for the Repeater. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:54:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HEfN526222; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:40:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcScwthRgAmFw2/gTwar/Xs7AL8czgAAR8tQ Message-Id: <20040917144041.RPNG8241.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW, the latest Electronic Musician (the one with Andre LaFosse!) has a shootout of 13 software drum machines, most of them Windows platform. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:08:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HF1qp29207; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040917094004.08b22690@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:58:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT - Laptop soundcard and HD In-Reply-To: <000201c49cc0$3909bd50$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <001c01c49ad1$4acce1c0$0affff0a@hppav> <000201c49cc0$3909bd50$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8HF1La28970 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:11 AM 9/17/2004, the toy room wrote: > >My big question is how you might pre-listen in Live with the Echo I/O’s >‘console’ feature. It says that your software will see 8 outs, but those >are 8 ‘virtual’ outs which are remixed at the console, then spit out the >1/8” plug. If you wanted to prelisten on headphones, but not have that >prelisten signal in your main mix…can it be accomplished? Rich, I haven't actually laid hands-on the Echo PCMCIA cards, but I've considered them since they seem to possibly be a compact and economical audio solution. For the particular functionality about which you're asking, you'll probably want to go with an alternate model card than the Echo I/O -- the Echo DJ. The DJ is the same as the I/O with the exception that it has 4 outputs rather than just two. The cost is only about $20-30 difference, I believe. The trade-off, unfortunately, is that all the jacks are dedicated to output, so there are no inputs. That might not be good for your particular application. I don't know if Echo's software will allow you to use both the built-in outputs on the laptop in tandem with the stereo outs from the Echo card. I've not yet seen that listed as a feature on any of the drivers, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. To accomplish separate outs for both mains and prelisten, you're going to need two sets of physical jacks, regardless of whatever you're doing in software. Otherwise, the only way I can think of to do what you're asking on the I/O is to split the stereo output into two mono feeds. Then, for example, use only the left channel to go to the mains and only the right to go to the prelisten. You'd just use the pan on each channel to control what goes where. Not pretty, but possibly the only alternative. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:14:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HFBIx30929; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:10:49 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <414AFE79.7040409@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a fair amount of research on various MIDI pedals recently. For me, the most important limitations about the Behringer were: - Program changes cannot include bank select. - Channels are assigned globally, 5 for programs and 2 for channels. This means you can only send control change messages to 2 devices, same with the pedals. - If you want momentary switches sending control changes, your two controllers per switch must be assigned to the same global channel. This means that you're now limited to sending control change messages to a single device. So, if you only want to control one device, or if you want to control two devices but only use momentary control changes with one of them, then the Behringer is the best value out there. Obviously based on other posts it is fine for a combination of the EDP and Repeater, but if you've got anything else you need to control you'll probably find the Behringer limiting. The only thing that's even close to this price range is the Rocktron MidiMate. It's got its own flaws, the most important being lack of momentary switches. I ended up with a Ground Control Pro which is pricey but flexible. If I had to do it over again, I would reconsider the Behringer. The GCP is relatively compact, but it's also harder to operate with your feet since the switches are closer together. Since I always route through a computer, I can remap MIDI messages to work around the Behringer limitations. The pedal I actually liked best except for one crucial flaw was the Lexicon MPX R1. A good combination of channel and event flexibility for the switches at a mid-range price. The flaw: the expression pedal can have only a single global channel. Again, if you're only controlling one device this is ok, but if that's the case the Behringer is a much better value. Other pedals that had deal-breaker flaws for me but may be of interest to others: Rocktron All Access The mother of all MIDI pedals, no flaws but extremely expensive and hard to find. Yamaha MFC10 Global channel for the pedal, can't combine program changes and control changes on a switch. Roland FC-200 Single global channel for everything, game over. Original Ground Control Too few momentary switches. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:49:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HFe8D02396; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:40:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:40:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <22199832.1095435575658.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:39:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: tim mungenast & CdS veteran michael bloom 9/18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Purple Metalflake Alert! 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Big Thanks and Goat Luv, Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 12:56:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HGqUq13355; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:52:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040917165145.35375.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200409171419.i8HEJbA22588@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8siN9D.A.cPD.qYxSBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PC computers also have Audio Inputs in the form of 1/8" stereo jacks. I think that MAC stole this idea from PC manufacterers... > christopher.....what type of computer?.....i know very little about this but > i think a MAC lets you go straight into the computer thru the AUDIO IN, no > need for a USB port _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 13:57:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HHrhi22225; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:53:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d040917105276244dff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:52:37 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using the free software drum machine Loopazoid as a VST plug in in EnergyXT. It works great. Drumatic is also a free Windows VST plug in that is even simpler than Loopazoid, but you are limited to the sounds it comes with. You'll need some sort of sequencing software to program the patterns, EnergyXT is cheap, clean and straightforward and works great for me. Hope this is of interest. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:37 +0000, jj 179 wrote: > Whoops, should have mentioned I'm using a Windows box. Any Windows > compatible suggestions? > > thx, > jj > >If you have a Mac loaded with OS X and if you can live without recording > >drum rhythms in real-time I think iDrum would be fine with you. iDrum is > >actually inspired by the MPC60 and some people say it sounds like one. If > >you use a computer running Windows you might check out DR-008 by FXpansion. > >The latest version does work as a standalone and it's very well designed > >for easy use and good features. > > > >At the next level there is Ableton Live 4. Live can do what the MPC2000 > >does and a little more. Quite a lot more actually, you might think it's > >overkill for the special use you have in mind. > > > >All the best > > > >Per Boysen > >--- > >http://www.boysen.se > >http://www.looproom.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 14:18:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HI5Po24128; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c49ce0$dd781ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:05:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been programming drum machines since the Roland CR-78 came on the market (in the 70's); both hardware and software and I can say after trying to sample most things on the market that FLStudio Producers Edition ($149 at www.flstudio.com in Vsti and Dxi) is the very best drum machine I have ever experienced, hands down! It used to be called Fruity Loops Pro but the upgrades they have continually made to it make it a much more sophisticated writing machine than it used to be in that previous incarnation (in case anyone tried it two or three years ago). It's extremely intuitive and simple for a beginner to use but it has a lot of layers and I'm still discovering hip things inside of it for composition. It is basically set up on a grid visual system, like the early Roland Drum machines, which I find to be the easiest way to program, but every single note that you program has a lot of drop down menus that allow one to radically change the sound of the each sample you use (non destructively, I might add) and each note you program. You may use any .wav files on your computer as your sources of sound. You can import or export midi files, .wav files or .mp3 files of your programs. One can also use Vst soft synths and you can import really long audio files that you can loop as well. I can't say enough about this software. IMHO I think it is the best buy for the price in the entire synth market. It's only drawback is that it is not ported to the Max OS. My next CD will be 90% created in FLStudio. I am also NOT an endorsee of this product officially......just a fanatic fan. You can also try the Fruity Loops tribe at www.tribe.net to connect with other enthusiastic and very knowledgeable users. Try it. you'll like it. Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 16:08:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HK5ia09273; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040917200506.64555.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <07E19FD8-08B5-11D9-83D0-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <550wsD.A.0PC.4N0SBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes brother i ended up doing the same thing, the repeater has a lot of misteries i havent been able to solve.Sometimes i set up the channels in stereo and when i want to deactivate them i won´t do it.Other times the pitch function goes crazy and my loops start in double speed... say Per going back to the RME; i always found that plugging directly into the card there wasn´t enough gain and thats why i got the sm pro pr-8 mic preamp for it but i still have to turn the gain on the mic preamp all the way up to get a decent signal into the PC.I am told that it might be because i dont have stereo cables going from the RME into the mixer.Is this the case with your card s well? bests Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 17, 2004, at 15:37, Jason Spring wrote: > > >> Hi Phill, > >> Your setup is interesting! > >> is it possible to send a program change and a cc > >> simultaneously to the repeater so when you press > the > >> buttons it will call trc1---trc2---trc3---trc4 > and go > >> into record mode respectively? > > > > > > I'm beating Phil to the punch and answering your > question: Yes! you > > most certainly CAN send pc messages along with cc > messages (and even a > > note message) all with a single press. You can > actually send 5 pc > > messages and toggle between two cc messages/values > with each button. > > I tried that with the Repeater and found that the > Repeater can not > always handle such a incoming "multi command". I > experimented quite a > lot but never found any rules. Some combinations > were excepted by the > Repeater and some were not. It seemed that the > Repeater's "listening > capability" is in someway dependent on the status of > different tracks. > Like if I had panned or transposed certain tracks > lately. I ended up > playing it all safe by using very few multi command > buttons in my > FCB1010 bank for the Repeater. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 16:11:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HK8xc10488; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040917200841.49261.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <86L2TC.A.GiC.PR0SBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try the MPC1000 great baby but a real bitch to save your work,is so confusing i think the engineers were on opium when they wrote the manual! Luis --- jj 179 wrote: > I've been looking for a piece of drum machine > software for awhile now. > There's a dizzying array of programs available, most > of which look > incredibly complex. I've tried one or two demos and > found the learning curve > to be huge. Admittedly, I'm used to just starting up > any programming and > being able to intuitively figure out how to work it. > But the drum machine > programs have been kind of intimidating. > > To give an idea of how braindead I am with these > things, I picked up a Korg > Electribe ES-1 and still couldn't figure out an > easy, non-complicated way to > use the darn thing. > > In the simplest sense, I'd like just a decent drum > machine. More ideally, > I'd like something that I could load with my own > samples, and that I could > trigger via MIDI or USB with an Akai MPD16 - > basically trying to recreate, > in a cheaper and more computer-based way, the > functionality of an MPC2000. > I'd like to be able to record drum rhythms in > real-time, not necessarily > just in step-programming. > > Any suggestions greatly appreciated. > > thanx, > jj > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 16:41:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HKUlp14062; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.45.7] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:28:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 20:28:36.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8E12900:01C49CF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I definitely want an MPC 1000 .... But I certainly can't afford one right now!! That's why I'm trying to use the MPD16 + software drum machine in the first place! =) >Try the MPC1000 great baby but a real bitch to save >your work,is so confusing i think the engineers were >on opium when they wrote the manual! >Luis _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 17:56:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HLsIf28108; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:45:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 21:45:34.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9526780:01C49CFF] Resent-Message-ID: <2EoO_D.A.U2G.sz1SBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I definitely want an MPC 1000 .... But I certainly can't afford one right >now!! That's why I'm trying to use the MPD16 + software drum machine in the >first place! Speaking of....Have you tried or used the MPD16 before? I too had ideas about getting one for playing softsynths with. I figured, MPC spec pads...it must be good. Well a friend of mine has one and I finally got to try it out. Now granted, I didn't play with it very long, and I don't know if it has some sort of adjustments that you can make, but I was VERY unhappy with the way it worked/played. It's velocity sensitivity kinda sucked in that you had to really HIT it to get full values(Might be adjustable?). The more annoying part though was just the sheer lifelessness of the pads. If you didn't hit them pretty much dead center, it didn't trigger very easily. It just didn't feel very comfortable or responsive. The MPC1000's I've played were MUCH nicer. It may of been how he had it setup and/or how he had his software setup (battery, I think), but I somehow doubt it. So, TRY before you buy if you haven't already. You might check out the Korg MicroKontrol. It also has 16 percussion type pads as well as sliders and knobs galore, and a 32note keyboard. Many more possiblities there, and I was very surprised at how well the pads played. Much better than the MPD16 if you ask me. I can't speak for anything else about it, but the pads kicked ass playing Reason's Redrum computer at Guitar Center. It is about $80 more though, but I'd say it's worth it. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 18:23:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HMLTO32715; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:21:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040917200506.64555.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917200506.64555.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:20:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8HMKna32593 Resent-Message-ID: <0wDYd.A.i9H.CN2SBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 17, 2004, at 22:05, L. Angulo wrote: > say Per going back to the RME; i always found that > plugging directly into the card there wasn´t enough > gain and thats why i got the sm pro pr-8 mic preamp > for it but i still have to turn the gain on the mic > preamp all the way up to get a decent signal into the > PC.I am told that it might be because i dont have > stereo cables going from the RME into the mixer.Is > this the case with your card s well? I don't get it... the level INTO your RME box and pc is TO LOW because the cable FROM your RME box TO your mixer is mono? Must be some misunderstanding there. But one thing can tell is that there's no mic preamp built into the RME break-out box. This means you can't just plug something in there that doesn't match line level. Over here I use a Posonus VXP (or a Sennehheiser portable) mic preamp for michrophones and a POD1 for guitars. Then I'm getting at the proper line level. I guess it's the usual -10 db (or is it -20?) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 18:49:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HMjsj03840; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:45:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:45:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.80.61.195] X-Originating-Email: [ohhappypants@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ohhappypants@hotmail.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:21:07 +0200 Subject: repeater From: jo=?ISO-8859-1?B?4w==?=o orecchia To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2004 22:18:39.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[487A9680:01C49D04] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8HMjPa03770 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, i'm looking for a repeater in good working condition. can anyone help me? thanks. joão From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 18:52:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8HMoRP04579; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:50:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:50:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: repeater Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:48:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8HMo3a04520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 17, 2004, at 3:21 PM, joão orecchia wrote: > hello, > > i'm looking for a repeater in good working condition. can anyone help > me? > > thanks. > > joão > > > > Hey Buddy, Two on ebay for way too much money but they're there. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 20:31:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I0TUE19328; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:28:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSc8oYnLkcI2zWmR26PHgtUHWqxXAAIqxyg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20040917200841.49261.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20040918002843.CLAU2241.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8I0Sma19139 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the MPC1000 but the USB functioning was so bad, I took it back and bought Roland's Fantom S (they now have the X). The Fantom has 16 pads for triggering drum beats, or samples. You can play the drums live with either the pads or the keys. All the kits are mapped to either. It also has looping capabilities with overdub, but no feedback that I could find. I want to call Roland's support to see if that would be possible using the on-board effects? I'm also playing my old Boss DR-550 drum machine (remember that, Rick :) using the Fantom as a midi control devise. That works pretty cool, playing those old, early digital sounds! It's not a cheap solution, but it's not too bad if you need a keyboard workstation. Tom -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Try the MPC1000 great baby but a real bitch to save your work,is so confusing i think the engineers were on opium when they wrote the manual! Luis --- jj 179 wrote: > I've been looking for a piece of drum machine software for awhile now. > There's a dizzying array of programs available, most of which look > incredibly complex. I've tried one or two demos and found the learning > curve to be huge. Admittedly, I'm used to just starting up any > programming and being able to intuitively figure out how to work it. > But the drum machine > programs have been kind of intimidating. > > To give an idea of how braindead I am with these things, I picked up a > Korg Electribe ES-1 and still couldn't figure out an easy, > non-complicated way to use the darn thing. > > In the simplest sense, I'd like just a decent drum machine. More > ideally, I'd like something that I could load with my own samples, and > that I could trigger via MIDI or USB with an Akai MPD16 - basically > trying to recreate, in a cheaper and more computer-based way, the > functionality of an MPC2000. > I'd like to be able to record drum rhythms in real-time, not > necessarily just in step-programming. > > Any suggestions greatly appreciated. > > thanx, > jj > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 22:49:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I2g1L06884; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1756991.1095475288720.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:41:28 -0700 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 211.135.35.23/instID=28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As the new owner of a Gibson EDP and a Behringer FCB1010, it was with some dismay that I read Jeff's comment that it could only control two devices. I've got a Roland R-70, G-Major that I was hoping to rig it up to control as well. I had been having so much fun playing with the EDP that I have been putting off getting the MIDI side of things (well, to be totally honest, I was also waiting for my "Basic MIDI" and "MIDI for the Techophobe" to arrive from Amazon) I had sort of taken Behringer at their word when they say that "you can use your FCB1010 to control ALL of your amplifiers, effects and peripheral devices." (Users Manual) Now, I'm not sure if I did the right thing. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 23:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I38Xb11236; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:08:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1756991.1095475288720.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.20.14] at Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:08:07 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, any midi controller (be it keyboard-oriented or foot controller) that has programmable banks and can send MIDI commands on more than one channel can control more than one device. First, you would set each device to receive on a different midi channel. Next, to connect them all, use the midi "in" and "thru" jacks to chain them together. Or you could use a midi patch bay/router (meaning midi controller's "out" to router's "in", then use its several outs to send to your various devices ins). I'm not sure why anyone would suggest that it can't be done. A midi controller is a midi controller, and if it's programmable and can send on more than one midi channel, then it's simply up to the programmer to decide what gets sent where by which button or key or knob. If I'm missing something here folks, please correct me. I've had years of midi programming experience, and I've got an fcb1010 sitting in a box next to me still unopened. I don't believe for a second that devices of 12 years ago had a leg up on something as sophisticated as this very cool controller. -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals As the new owner of a Gibson EDP and a Behringer FCB1010, it was with some dismay that I read Jeff's comment that it could only control two devices. I've got a Roland R-70, G-Major that I was hoping to rig it up to control as well. I had been having so much fun playing with the EDP that I have been putting off getting the MIDI side of things (well, to be totally honest, I was also waiting for my "Basic MIDI" and "MIDI for the Techophobe" to arrive from Amazon) I had sort of taken Behringer at their word when they say that "you can use your FCB1010 to control ALL of your amplifiers, effects and peripheral devices." (Users Manual) Now, I'm not sure if I did the right thing. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 23:22:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I3LNs13694; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:19:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSdLO/EfoBTydW9S76IFyJ1wo6mSQAASGtQ Message-Id: <20040918031947.EMLX8881.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One word: PMC-10 G LanceZechinato@verizon.net wrote: I've got an fcb1010 sitting in a box next to me still unopened. I don't believe for a second that devices of 12 years ago had a leg up on something as sophisticated as this very cool controller. -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals As the new owner of a Gibson EDP and a Behringer FCB1010, it was with some dismay that I read Jeff's comment that it could only control two devices. I've got a Roland R-70, G-Major that I was hoping to rig it up to control as well. I had been having so much fun playing with the EDP that I have been putting off getting the MIDI side of things (well, to be totally honest, I was also waiting for my "Basic MIDI" and "MIDI for the Techophobe" to arrive from Amazon) I had sort of taken Behringer at their word when they say that "you can use your FCB1010 to control ALL of your amplifiers, effects and peripheral devices." (Users Manual) Now, I'm not sure if I did the right thing. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 02:03:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I5uMm04088; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040918031947.EMLX8881.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.20.14] at Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:55:46 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com :) The PMC OS is designed to MIDI spec so no fireworks there, but the manual is definitely geekier which I like. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller One word: PMC-10 G LanceZechinato@verizon.net wrote: I've got an fcb1010 sitting in a box next to me still unopened. I don't believe for a second that devices of 12 years ago had a leg up on something as sophisticated as this very cool controller. -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals As the new owner of a Gibson EDP and a Behringer FCB1010, it was with some dismay that I read Jeff's comment that it could only control two devices. I've got a Roland R-70, G-Major that I was hoping to rig it up to control as well. I had been having so much fun playing with the EDP that I have been putting off getting the MIDI side of things (well, to be totally honest, I was also waiting for my "Basic MIDI" and "MIDI for the Techophobe" to arrive from Amazon) I had sort of taken Behringer at their word when they say that "you can use your FCB1010 to control ALL of your amplifiers, effects and peripheral devices." (Users Manual) Now, I'm not sure if I did the right thing. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 02:35:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I6Xdw07082; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040917232931.01755668@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:33:11 -0700 To: From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller In-Reply-To: References: <20040918031947.EMLX8881.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does that mean? At 10:56 PM 2004.09.17, Lance Zechinato wrote: >:) The PMC OS is designed to MIDI spec so no fireworks there, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 02:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I6pIF08888; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040917202055.00bcb9c0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:50:39 -0700 To: From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals In-Reply-To: References: <1756991.1095475288720.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:08 PM 2004.09.17, Lance Zechinato wrote: >Actually, any midi controller (be it keyboard-oriented or foot controller) >that has programmable banks and can send MIDI commands on more than one >channel can control more than one device. True (depending on what 'control' means), but that's beside the point. >A midi controller is a midi >controller, and if it's programmable and can send on more than one midi >channel, then it's simply up to the programmer to decide what gets sent >where by which button or key or knob. Nope. Most controllers have limitations on what you can send. For example, the FCB1010 can only send note messages on a single channel. That channel is set globally (this is the fault that the person you were responding to was talking about). You can not program one preset to send note messages on channel A and have another preset send notes on channel B. Not a limitation if you never send note messages or only send note messages on a single channel. Forget about trying to send multiple notes (like a chord) in a single preset. >I don't believe >for a second that devices of 12 years ago had a leg up on something as >sophisticated as this very cool controller. If you only need to send program changes to 5 devices, control changes to 2 devices and a note to 1 device, sophisticated has a different meaning than if you need to address more devices than any of those limits or need to send bank selects or require momentary switch action or want to insert null/no-op messages between events or can't live with global channel assignments or want to combine any number of messages to any number of devices or want more than 10 banks of presets, etc... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 03:01:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I6xMQ09948; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <001101c49c6a$36531ee0$bbf0a344@hppav> References: <001c01c49742$25aa73e0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <6.1.2.0.2.20040915230101.048ac8b0@loopers-delight.com> <001101c49c6a$36531ee0$bbf0a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D95DAB1-0940-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:00:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a stereo signal (thanks to the Vortex). That's pre-EDP. I'm even prepared to have my loops in mono. It helps distinguish them from the new stuff. The thing that bothers me is that there isn't a good way to integrate an EDP into an otherwise stereo signal path without either expending space on a mixer or going to 2 EDPs and giving up threshold recording. As I understand it, the Jamman nicely did the following: L --------------------------------- L \ / ------ Delay ----- / \ R --------------------------------- R So, no stereo loops but your signal stays stereo. I'm reasonably certain the Echo Pro does this as well. Mark On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:55 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > If you want to use one EDP...try using a short stereo delay and a > stereo > reverb - it will add space. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 03:30:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I7SFh14613; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040918072740.98340.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry i formulated it wrong; from your previous mail i thought you said you plug directly into the card.Yes,i think the problem is my mic preamp not putting out enough juice and a guy that works in a music store said that i wasn´t getting a strong signal either because the cables going out of the RME into my behringer mixer are mono.I should also mention in the back of the mixer in every channel there is a switch with a -10db +4db i still have to test it with the stereo cables to see if this makes a difference at all. (Ill check out the Posonus VXP!) Bests Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 17, 2004, at 22:05, L. Angulo wrote: > > > say Per going back to the RME; i always found that > > plugging directly into the card there wasn´t > enough > > gain and thats why i got the sm pro pr-8 mic > preamp > > for it but i still have to turn the gain on the > mic > > preamp all the way up to get a decent signal into > the > > PC.I am told that it might be because i dont have > > stereo cables going from the RME into the mixer.Is > > this the case with your card s well? > > > I don't get it... the level INTO your RME box and pc > is TO LOW because > the cable FROM your RME box TO your mixer is mono? > Must be some > misunderstanding there. But one thing can tell is > that there's no mic > preamp built into the RME break-out box. This means > you can't just plug > something in there that doesn't match line level. > Over here I use a > Posonus VXP (or a Sennehheiser portable) mic preamp > for michrophones > and a POD1 for guitars. Then I'm getting at the > proper line level. I > guess it's the usual -10 db (or is it -20?) > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 04:57:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I8tgG28353; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1756991.1095475288720.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> References: <1756991.1095475288720.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6AC19FD1-0950-11D9-8911-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:54:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 18, 2004, at 4:41, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > As the new owner of a Gibson EDP and a Behringer FCB1010, it was with > some dismay that I read Jeff's comment that it could only control two > devices. I've got a Roland R-70, G-Major that I was hoping to rig it > up to control as well. I had been having so much fun playing with the > EDP that I have been putting off getting the MIDI side of things > (well, to be totally honest, I was also waiting for my "Basic MIDI" > and "MIDI for the Techophobe" to arrive from Amazon) I had sort of > taken Behringer at their word when they say that "you can use your > FCB1010 to control ALL of your amplifiers, effects and peripheral > devices." (Users Manual) Now, I'm not sure if I did the right thing. > > TJ As always there are workarounds ;-) On some occasions I have used my Behringer FCB1010 to control five devices at the same time. As long as devices to not react to the same note numbers or midi control messages you can set them to the same midi channel. As an example, in my rig there is always the EDP, although other devices come and go, and I have set it to be controlled by note numbers. Then I can have put an Akai filterbank on the same midi channel because the Akai only reacts to cc events. But the EDP has to use cc events for feedback and volume, even if you set to "note number control". The Akai midi mapping is fixed and can not be changed so I simply had to go into the EDP and set volume and feedback to midi control numbers that was not used by the Akai. So, there you have an example of a strategy. Investigate all your devices and see how you can define external control by midi note number or control change event areas that do not overlap. If you find two devices that can be set to not overlap they will work just fine set to the same midi channel. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 05:01:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I8wMc29172; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:58:08 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Sep 18, 2004, at 10:54, Per Boysen wrote: > >> As always there are workarounds ;-) On some occasions I have used >> my Behringer FCB1010 to control five devices at the same time. As >> long as devices to > > oops, I forgot to tell that I was using two midi channels to control > these five devices. That was kind of the point of the post ;-)) > > per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 05:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I92hp29998; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040918072740.98340.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040918072740.98340.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <753C2C8B-0951-11D9-8911-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:02:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <_XtvWD.A.CUH.nm_SBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:27, L. Angulo wrote: > (Ill check out the Posonus VXP!) The VXP is not especially good. I just happen to own one. ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 05:41:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8I9bPF02396; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040918102410.02802d50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:36:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Solution for Stereo EDPs (vortex) In-Reply-To: <200409180910.i8I9ALk31369@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409180910.i8I9ALk31369@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8nsjXB.A.Cj.3GATBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:10 18/09/04, you wrote: >I've got a stereo signal (thanks to the Vortex). That's pre-EDP. I'm even >prepared to have my loops in mono. It helps distinguish them from the new >stuff. The thing that bothers me is that there isn't a good way to >integrate an EDP into an otherwise stereo signal path without either >expending space on a mixer or going to 2 EDPs and giving up threshold >recording. I used to put the Vortex after my mono looper, which was a JamMan at the time. It actually worked quite well, you lose the ability to "save" any morphing interactive type stuff to the loop, but you get to treat the loop. One solution would be to get a second Vortex ;-) ...and have one pre, and one post. Now I use the Behringer Ultralink 1u mixer, (even though I have 2 EDPs) which would solve that problem, and is also perfect for sending balanced outputs to stereo active speakers, with easy control of volume. (and possibilities for adding more "stuff") >As I understand it, the Jamman nicely did the following: > > L --------------------------------- L > \ / > ------ Delay ----- > / \ > R --------------------------------- R exactly right andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 06:25:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IAN5B08092; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c49d69$69609240$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: decent drum machine hardware Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:22:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I may have posted this before, but I think one of the cheapest hardware solutions for a drum machine (if you happen to own a sampler) is to buy a used or new Alesis SR-16 drum machine (which has the most antiquated drum sounds of all the machines currently available new) and use it to trigger your own sounds from a sampler. Drum machines are almost invariably closed architecture affairs and the fact of the matter is that drum sounds go in and out of style (or we just get sick of them). The SR-16 has good MIDI implemenation; is really easy to program and with a little effects processing you can even get the late eighties drum sounds to sound good if you don't want to use a sampler. Speaking of that devil, my wife is very fond of using some of my really old analogue drum machines and then putting them through different stomp box pedals. It's amazing how fresh drum and percussion sounds sound when put through some flanging and distortion and chorus, etc, not to mention some of the wilder sounding rack mounted DSP boxes out there today. Heck, any drum machine connected to something like the Alesis INEKO can sound really fresh and innovative. Besides, it gets boring to me to hear stock drum machine sounds, even if they are cutting edge in terms of style. Throw something through the random filter patch on those pricey Lexicon units and you are really humming. Just my 4 cents. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 06:37:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IAZUd09542; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <414C0C1C.5000600@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:21:16 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: decent drum machine hardware References: <008401c49d69$69609240$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <008401c49d69$69609240$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland R-8 ! great drumbox ciao luca loop.pool wrote: > I think I may have posted this before, but I think one of the cheapest > hardware solutions > for a drum machine (if you happen to own a sampler) is to buy a used > or new > Alesis SR-16 drum machine (which has the most antiquated drum sounds > of all the machines > currently available new) and use it to trigger your own sounds from a > sampler. > > Drum machines are almost invariably closed architecture affairs and > the fact of the matter is that > drum sounds go in and out of style (or we just get sick of them). > > The SR-16 has good MIDI implemenation; is really easy to program and > with a little effects processing > you can even get the late eighties drum sounds to sound good if you > don't want to use a sampler. > > Speaking of that devil, my wife is very fond of using some of my > really old analogue drum machines and then > putting them through different stomp box pedals. It's amazing how > fresh drum and percussion sounds sound > when put through some flanging and distortion and chorus, etc, not to > mention some of the wilder sounding rack mounted > DSP boxes out there today. > > Heck, any drum machine connected to something like the Alesis INEKO > can sound really fresh and innovative. > Besides, it gets boring to me to hear stock drum machine sounds, even > if they are cutting edge in terms of style. > Throw something through the random filter patch on those pricey > Lexicon units and you are really humming. > > Just my 4 cents. > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 06:38:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IAaQo09872; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: decent drum machine software Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:36:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSc4V+thDX4XyYESRuG0Umq+nBp8AAiFwrw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <009001c49ce0$dd781ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <20040918103556.KRMC13987.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <2Xihk.A.sZC.Y-ATBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, I downloaded the demo, and it is awesome! Seems like you can load a lot of samples, so you're not limited to 8 (Live 4), or 10 (Reason), etc. However, I could not find how to map those samples to keys or pads for midi note input, or playing live? Tom -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:05 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: decent drum machine software I have been programming drum machines since the Roland CR-78 came on the market (in the 70's); both hardware and software and I can say after trying to sample most things on the market that FLStudio Producers Edition ($149 at www.flstudio.com in Vsti and Dxi) is the very best drum machine I have ever experienced, hands down! It used to be called Fruity Loops Pro but the upgrades they have continually made to it make it a much more sophisticated writing machine than it used to be in that previous incarnation (in case anyone tried it two or three years ago). It's extremely intuitive and simple for a beginner to use but it has a lot of layers and I'm still discovering hip things inside of it for composition. It is basically set up on a grid visual system, like the early Roland Drum machines, which I find to be the easiest way to program, but every single note that you program has a lot of drop down menus that allow one to radically change the sound of the each sample you use (non destructively, I might add) and each note you program. You may use any .wav files on your computer as your sources of sound. You can import or export midi files, .wav files or .mp3 files of your programs. One can also use Vst soft synths and you can import really long audio files that you can loop as well. I can't say enough about this software. IMHO I think it is the best buy for the price in the entire synth market. It's only drawback is that it is not ported to the Max OS. My next CD will be 90% created in FLStudio. I am also NOT an endorsee of this product officially......just a fanatic fan. You can also try the Fruity Loops tribe at www.tribe.net to connect with other enthusiastic and very knowledgeable users. Try it. you'll like it. Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 08:14:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ICBFT25022; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: MIDI clock setup for a looping rig Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:13:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c49d78$e63f21f0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today, I finally completed the slightly new MIDI clock setup for my looping rig. Making it that complicated was of course caused by the unstable internal clock of the Repeater with which some devices only work with problems (like clicks in the TC devices' delays). First, let me draw a simplified MIDI chart (note that there are no patchbays, merge boxes or thru boxes used in the setup). For any device, the LEFT side means the MIDI In, the RIGHT side corresponds to the MIDI Thru and the BOTTOM to the MIDI Out. +--Eclipse---MC505 | | | +---FCB1010(*)----Repeater---FireworX---D2--+ | +--Q--Wavestation--KP2 | | +--MicroModular | +------------------------------------------------+ not integrated: VBass (no MIDI outs/thrus with clock left), DL4 (no MIDI) Details of the devices' setups: The Eclipse is set to use internal clock (which is controlled by a FCB1010 Note msg or the tap button). The Roland MC505 is set as slave (and in that case, it transmits no MIDI clock on its output). The FCB1010 is set to Merge (i.e. the sole output functions as a merged Out/Thru). The Q is set to syncronize to MIDI clock and to transmit MIDI clock at the output. All other devices are set to sync to MIDI clock. You might know that lots of devices both have an internal (appable)clock and also sync to MIDI clock but do not generate MIDI clock themself. (Example: Wavestation, FireworX, D2, KP2, MicroModular). Some do, but do not trasmit MIDI clock at their output when synced to an external clock (the aforementioned MC505). This might explain some of the choices I made in compiling this setup. Looking at this setup, we have basically three possible master/submaster clocks: Eclipse (tappable by FCB1010) V Repeater-->Q-->MicroMod V Wavestation, KP2 FireworX D2 MC505 So, the following is possible: synced to MIDI Repeater Q X X everything runs to Eclipse clock (tappable w/ FCB1010) [Standard setup] X O the Q and the MicroModular have their own clock O X the Repeater/Q/MicroMod/Wavestation/KP2 branch runs with the Repeater's clock (tappable w/ FCB1010) O O as above, but the Q and the MicroModular have their own clock For tapping the tempo, I use three different switches on the FCB1010: tap Eclipse, tap Repeater and tap both (of course, when not syncronized, they're bound to drift, but that adds to the fun). Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 08:28:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ICMKo26631; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:24:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c49d7a$73842eb0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <008401c49d69$69609240$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, let me add my drummachine-processing recommendations for some not-so-pricey solutions: A device most loopers have heard of which works wonders on drums is the Lexicon Vortex. The combination of tricky polyrythmic delays, subtle to super-weird modulation and the morphing feature work wonders on any repeating rhythmic structure. Another recommendation is to use drum machines with vocoders. The Quasimidi Sirius (which contains both a powerful groovebox and a vocoder) got me to this. Anything with vocoders will work here - from integrated solutions (like the Sirius or the Nord Modular) to discrete setups (may I again recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the device I got for something like €30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX and Eclipse...) Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > Heck, any drum machine connected to something like the Alesis > INEKO can > sound really fresh and innovative. > Besides, it gets boring to me to hear stock drum machine > sounds, even if > they are cutting edge in terms of style. > Throw something through the random filter patch on those > pricey Lexicon > units and you are really humming. > > Just my 4 cents. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 08:39:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8ICZn730441; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c49d7c$9c7782c0$f4d5a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000101c49d7a$73842eb0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:39:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.213.244] at Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:35:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would add the KAOSS pads (old or new version) are great little dynamic processors that do nice things for drums. In particular, the filters on the old KAOSS pads are fun to use. David Kirkdorffer UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) > Rick, > > let me add my drummachine-processing recommendations for some not-so-pricey > solutions: A device most loopers have heard of which works wonders on drums > is the Lexicon Vortex. The combination of tricky polyrythmic delays, subtle > to super-weird modulation and the morphing feature work wonders on any > repeating rhythmic structure. > > Another recommendation is to use drum machines with vocoders. The Quasimidi > Sirius (which contains both a powerful groovebox and a vocoder) got me to > this. Anything with vocoders will work here - from integrated solutions > (like the Sirius or the Nord Modular) to discrete setups (may I again > recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the device I got for > something like ?30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX and Eclipse...) > > Rainer > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 10:14:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IEBBD08971; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:11:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040917232931.01755668@mail02.powweb.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [141.157.20.14] at Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:10:41 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PMC didn't send up fireworks for me (as a better FCB). But my OS comment is like saying a PC OS built for x86 architecture is like any other, which is obviously false (e.g., Win vs. Linux). It's what the thing can do, which was your point in your other response and you're right. Reading Per's explanation of his FCB workarounds, I was thinking about all the freakish workarounds I've done through the years from MIDI & outboard sequencer stuff to Frankensteined PCs for recording, and it seems there's almost always a workaround. For the "perfect" floor controller I wanted the Ground Control, but it seems kinda big and the small clickity switches aren't my cup of tea, but man that thing seems like a very sweet contoller. Whether they're really clickity I don't know, but I'm still not a fan of the tiny foot buttons. Where the perfect controller? (Wait don't tell me! The PMC. Maybe you're right. ;))) -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller What does that mean? At 10:56 PM 2004.09.17, Lance Zechinato wrote: >:) The PMC OS is designed to MIDI spec so no fireworks there, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 11:43:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IFf3W23301; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:41:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:41:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:40:13 -0400 From: Violindave@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #368 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2481767A.3D46EB13.0D1936D1@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 209.216.82.54 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Can someone either send me or point me to where to find the exact instructions for programming a PMC-10 to control an EDP with all the functionality of the EDP foot pedal? Oh and please bear in mind I'm no midi genius[understatement]. Be most grateful! Dave Kline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 11:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IFf1j23296; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:41:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:32:58 -0700 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:10 AM -0400 9/18/04, Lance Zechinato wrote: >PMC didn't send up fireworks for me (as a better FCB). > >small clickity switches What makes the PMC-10 a superior controller are its extreme programming flexibility and its ability to transmit more than basic program change and control change messages. Unfortunately it is physically flimsy, its cheap plastic switches are easily broken. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 12:33:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IGUru30472; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c49d9c$d4d5b1d0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7D95DAB1-0940-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could also purchase a single space line mixer and put it in the rack with your EDP. That way you wouldn't need a traditional table-top mixer lying around. There are some fairly decent line mixers out there, even some that are MIDI controllable. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings I've got a stereo signal (thanks to the Vortex). That's pre-EDP. I'm even prepared to have my loops in mono. It helps distinguish them from the new stuff. The thing that bothers me is that there isn't a good way to integrate an EDP into an otherwise stereo signal path without either expending space on a mixer or going to 2 EDPs and giving up threshold recording. As I understand it, the Jamman nicely did the following: L --------------------------------- L \ / ------ Delay ----- / \ R --------------------------------- R So, no stereo loops but your signal stays stereo. I'm reasonably certain the Echo Pro does this as well. Mark On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:55 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > If you want to use one EDP...try using a short stereo delay and a > stereo > reverb - it will add space. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 12:34:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IGMhU29460; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040918110043.044111a8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:19:41 -0500 To: From: Mech Subject: Re: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) In-Reply-To: <000101c49d7a$73842eb0$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <008401c49d69$69609240$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000101c49d7a$73842eb0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:24 AM 9/18/2004, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Another recommendation is to use drum machines with vocoders. Here's another trick that's somewhat similar (but not exactly): drum machines with gates. Take a drum machine with individual audio outs, and one of those cheap multi-gates in a single rack space (we used to use an old TR-707 with a Furman Quad-Gate, but there are a lot of combinations out there). Plug the individual outs from the drum machine into the *sidechain* inputs of the multi-gate. Now, whenever a drum assigned to a particular output hits, it will trigger the gate it's hooked up to. Run completely different types of sound content into each of the audio inputs of the multi-gate, and adjust the release parameter to taste. I've found that sustained sounds that shift regularly (like synth pads and sequences), or sound streams (like news broadcasts or any other found sound recording) work pretty well. Hit 'play' on the drum box and futz with the patterns & tempo. Turn on a recorder, and you're ready to send a demo into Warp. ;) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 13:10:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IH8vP06749; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:08:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:08:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040918095552.017a1008@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:08:22 -0700 To: From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040917232931.01755668@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8NljGC.A.uoB.MuGTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:10 AM 2004.09.18, Lance Zechinato wrote: >PMC didn't send up fireworks for me (as a better FCB). But my OS comment is >like saying a PC OS built for x86 architecture is like any other, which is >obviously false (e.g., Win vs. Linux). That's what I was confused by - I would hope ALL the controllers out there are designed to MIDI spec. >It's what the thing can do, which >was your point in your other response and you're right. > >Reading Per's explanation of his FCB workarounds, I was thinking about all >the freakish workarounds I've done through the years from MIDI & outboard >sequencer stuff to Frankensteined PCs for recording, and it seems there's >almost always a workaround. That's true - especially if you have a PC involved (or a sophisticated MIDI patchbay) since then you can get into remapping program changes to do anything you want. There is at least one list member that uses a standard controller just to send program changes to a PC-1600 which then turns around and sends more elaborate commands to the rest of the system. >For the "perfect" floor controller I wanted the Ground Control, but it seems >kinda big and the small clickity switches aren't my cup of tea, but man that >thing seems like a very sweet contoller. Whether they're really clickity I >don't know, but I'm still not a fan of the tiny foot buttons. Where the >perfect controller? (Wait don't tell me! The PMC. Maybe you're right. ;))) I haven't found the perfect controller yet ;) The perfect controller would be in production, more road-worthy than the PMC, as inexpensive as the FCB1010, etc... sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 13:53:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IHq7F11707; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:52:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:52:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: MOTU 7s information (was RE: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:50:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000f01c49d9c$d4d5b1d0$6a01a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSdnpOaY8eYCB1VTWKcNNW4AgOqsQACMldA Message-Id: <20040918175044.BLS29609.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:31 AM You could also purchase a single space line mixer and put it in the rack with your EDP. That way you wouldn't need a traditional table-top mixer lying around. There are some fairly decent line mixers out there, even some that are MIDI controllable. ----> Which reminds me-- Does anyone have any info on the MOTU 7s--specifically the controller numbers for volume? A scan of the manual would be swell--they also had a software mixer that worked in Windows 3.x-- I have one in storage that would be good for my setup--it is a single space line mixer controlled by MIDI that I purchased new when they first came out and have since mothballed--altho I have the manual SOMEHWERE . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 16:19:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8IKDG529255; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:13:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:13:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1C8lWk3JGw-0005i3@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:09:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSdlgBdaEhyucSqSGKvwiFrfWcQjAAJP0Mg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem I had with the PMC was that it was super easy to double trigger the switches, and that they weren't staggered, so I always hit the lower button when I went for the top row. I have an FCB-1010, but I use the note on messages to play bass notes, so I am back to using the EFC-7 with metal switches (bought from Digitech, used for the Johnson amps' foot controllers..great feel!) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > What makes the PMC-10 a superior controller are its extreme > programming flexibility and its ability to transmit more than > basic program change and control change messages. > Unfortunately it is physically flimsy, its cheap plastic > switches are easily broken. > - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 22:05:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8J23ZL04833; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:03:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:03:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: My foot controller steps on Your Foot controller Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:55:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040918095552.017a1008@mail02.powweb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSdonxdDnnLdYs+TqGLxOLL98enpAABaT1w Message-Id: <20040918175534.EPP22856.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <6Rkw8D.A.8JB.PjOTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Echevarria and Lance Zechinato were discussing MIDI foot controllers. Sean wrote: I haven't found the perfect controller yet ;) The perfect controller would be in production, more road-worthy than the PMC, as inexpensive as the FCB1010, etc... ---->And there's the rub--it's not a big money maker--otherwise there would be a number of competing models by various manufacturers. Same with MIDI controllable loopers--I just had to buy a second EDP on eBay because I couldn't wait for Gibson to get off their ass and ship the remaining EDPPs to market--only Musician's Friend has them in stock and they are selling them for a grand! 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This Tuesday September 21st - The Repeatos The Repeatos are a UK-US-Canadian based freeform ensemble with a penchant for combining acoustic and electronic elements into a seamless and sometimes seamy flow of musical traditions and idioms. Having performed primarily in New York in alternative clubs like Tonic and The Village Halloween Parade, the PiNG will be their Toronto premiere. This concert will feature Toronto newbie Peter Wetzler (with his laptop assortment of soft-synthesizers, including new beta versions of Stylus RMX and Native Instruments softsynths, plus accordian), world champion blues harmonica player Chris Turner (bagpipes, harmonicas east and west), Rachel Maloney (electric and acoustic fiddles) and Torontonian Kevin Kidd at the mixing board. http://www.soundforms.net/repeatos Between Sets CD - "Fever Dreams II" by Steve Roach "Holding The Space", the latest installment of ambient master Steve Roach's "Fever Dreams" trilogy, is a superb melding of his expansive soundworlds & tribal rhythms with significant contributions by Byron Metcalf (frame drum) & Jennifer Grais (voice). http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 28th - cheryl o and friends cheryl o, cello, looper - http://www.cellojuice.com Michael Keith, guitar + toys - http://www.michaelkeith.com Steven Sauve, synth, looper - http://www.karmafarm.ca Joe Sorbara, percussion - http://www.joesorbara.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Aidan Baker "Butterfly Bones" The latest by one of Toronto's best improvisational talents. With the release of his latest disc "Butterfly Bones", Aidan Baker has once again created a lush environment filled with imagery and depth. Spaces have been moulded and shaped to Aidan's vision to form fully defined landscapes and atmospheres. Twisting and turning, "Butterfly Bones" is an excellent example of dark ambience at it's most effective. It starts with the slow building drone of "Skeletal Grin", a slightly shifting tone punctuated by clockwork hearts and particulate buzz. Softness gives way to jagged edges, and before you know it you've fallen down a cold dark well of souls, freedom just beyond your reach. "Hardly Human" follows, distorted voices of the lost swelling up and circling, a slight melody taking shape. A steady drum beat grows in strength, telling the story of rituals and ceremonies of great magic and power long forgotten to this earth. Trippy sounds from darkened Bristol alleys permeate "Post-lapsed", a rain filled nighttime stroll of a song perfect for technicolor film noir soundtracks. The hungry eyes of a thousand mechanical ghosts gaze upon you as you move through the city, the shifting of dull neon lights the only distinction between destinations. "I Dreamt You" is all percussive patterns in front of breathless robotic pulses and alien radio transmissions. The kind of dream that loops around your head, slightly changing, tilting enough to give the sense of change, but remaining similar enough to give a sense of unease, a haunting deja vu. And then we reach the title track. "Butterfly Bones" is a feedback-laden snarling, growling, tooth-baring behemoth of a song, a circling distortion offering completely at odds with the delicate beauty implied by the title. Did I mention how masterful this piece is? Aidan Baker has developed quite a name for himself in the ambient/improvisational community with his ability to manipulate sound, and "Butterfly Bones" is an excellent example of why his recognition is rightly deserved. In my mind he's well surpassed the title of master musician and is fast on the way to becoming a master magician... rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 00:35:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8J4WPD22734; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:32:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:32:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000f01c49d9c$d4d5b1d0$6a01a8c0@khartung> References: <000f01c49d9c$d4d5b1d0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A8FA74C-09F5-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:34:43 -0700 To: " " X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a rack space for relatively little needed functionality other than the limitations of the EDP. What I really want is a small box that I could stick in the back of the rack that would handle this seemingly simple mixing task. The "help, I've got a mono effect that I need to integrate into a stereo signal path" box. Mark On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > You could also purchase a single space line mixer and put it in the > rack > with your EDP. That way you wouldn't need a traditional table-top mixer > lying around. There are some fairly decent line mixers out there, even > some that are MIDI controllable. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 00:45:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8J4c8q23744; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <3A8FA74C-09F5-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> References: <000f01c49d9c$d4d5b1d0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <3A8FA74C-09F5-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <13FF161C-09F6-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:40:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7I7ZrD.A.iyF.n0QTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, how much circuitry does it take to build the box described below? Specifically: Mix a stereo signal to mono while retaining the original stereo signal, feed that mono signal out, take a mono signal back in and mix it with the stereo signal again. Mark On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:34 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > That's a rack space for relatively little needed functionality other > than the limitations of the EDP. What I really want is a small box > that I could stick in the back of the rack that would handle this > seemingly simple mixing task. The "help, I've got a mono effect that I > need to integrate into a stereo signal path" box. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 01:03:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8J51M930123; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:00:46 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c49e05$a0191540$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3A8FA74C-09F5-11D9-9B68-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <5UnamB.A.CVH.GKRTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see. Then you might consider one of those tiny Mackie or Behringer 2-4 channel mixers that are about the size of a VHS tape, which you could easily hide in the back of a rack. Here's one for $50. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/631239 / I may get this one myself because the little sucker is so cute... Or the Samson mix pad: http://www.zzounds.com/item--SAMMIXPAD4 Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:35 PM To: Subject: Re: Solution for Stereo EDPs and Timing Drift: Three Critical Parameter Settings That's a rack space for relatively little needed functionality other than the limitations of the EDP. What I really want is a small box that I could stick in the back of the rack that would handle this seemingly simple mixing task. The "help, I've got a mono effect that I need to integrate into a stereo signal path" box. Mark On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > You could also purchase a single space line mixer and put it in the > rack > with your EDP. That way you wouldn't need a traditional table-top mixer > lying around. There are some fairly decent line mixers out there, even > some that are MIDI controllable. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 04:05:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8J7vd718818; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:57:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:57:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c49e1e$433375f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:57:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7_uHrD.A.ZlE.UvTTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer wrote: "recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the device I got for something like ?30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX and Eclipse...)" God, Rainer, I'm glad someone else loves the Zoom 1201. When I first bought it brand new, it had the ugliest graphics of any piece of hardware I had ever owned so I covered it with shiny holographic paper that I thought was cool (and most people probably think is the ugliest covering they have ever seen on a piece of hardware). I wrote all the presets on top of the box and then put it in my rack and realized that, much to my chagrin (and ultimate foolishness) that you can't read the top of a rack effect when it racked with other effects. I felt really stupid but it is such a cheap box that now I think of it as my 'mystery processing box'. I can put anything through any of the 'wierd' bank of effects and something interesting will happen. Now I kind of like not knowing more than I liked being able to read the front panel. Great box!!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 06:07:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JA6Dv06030; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040919100543.73223.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: V-sampler question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040918103556.KRMC13987.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody work with the vsampler? i been trying to figure out how to assign different samples to different keys on my midi controller unsuccesfully.Ive gone to the v-forums but haven´t gotten an answer either. You may contact me offline since i have other questions boutit. Thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 06:16:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JACtl07058; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:12:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:12:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040919101240.41930.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: decent drum machine hardware To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008401c49d69$69609240$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6x7chC.A.ttB.duVTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, Yes with little effects drums can sound huge!I have programmed a lot of west african rhythms on my dr-660 using its effect presets and people often ask me where i got the african samples from but is all coming from my drum computer. I was amazed to hear that Peter Gabriel recorded the security album almost entirely with a linn drum! Cheers Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I think I may have posted this before, but I think > one of the cheapest > hardware solutions > for a drum machine (if you happen to own a sampler) > is to buy a used or new > Alesis SR-16 drum machine (which has the most > antiquated drum sounds of all > the machines > currently available new) and use it to trigger your > own sounds from a > sampler. > > Drum machines are almost invariably closed > architecture affairs and the fact > of the matter is that > drum sounds go in and out of style (or we just get > sick of them). > > The SR-16 has good MIDI implemenation; is really > easy to program and with a > little effects processing > you can even get the late eighties drum sounds to > sound good if you don't > want to use a sampler. > > Speaking of that devil, my wife is very fond of > using some of my really old > analogue drum machines and then > putting them through different stomp box pedals. > It's amazing how fresh > drum and percussion sounds sound > when put through some flanging and distortion and > chorus, etc, not to > mention some of the wilder sounding rack mounted > DSP boxes out there today. > > Heck, any drum machine connected to something like > the Alesis INEKO can > sound really fresh and innovative. > Besides, it gets boring to me to hear stock drum > machine sounds, even if > they are cutting edge in terms of style. > Throw something through the random filter patch on > those pricey Lexicon > units and you are really humming. > > Just my 4 cents. > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 06:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JANRU08740; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040919102305.67699.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: behringer controllerRe: EDP pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <753C2C8B-0951-11D9-8911-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hallo Per,hallå där! vem är ni? Well the stereo cables do make a difference brother i am getting a nice signal now! what i love about the sm-pro mark2 mic preamp is not having to hook things up from the back,i think its the only one out there with 8 front XLR 1/4" inputs hälsningar! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:27, L. Angulo wrote: > > > (Ill check out the Posonus VXP!) > > The VXP is not especially good. I just happen to own > one. ;-) > > per > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 06:31:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JAU5V09631; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040919102942.29680.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum machine software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040918002843.CLAU2241.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom, What kind of problems were u having?i havent encountered any in fact the usb function is what i love about it! ciao Luis --- Tom Rex wrote: > I had the MPC1000 but the USB functioning was so > bad, I took it back and > bought Roland's Fantom S (they now have the X). ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 06:40:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JAcIZ10931; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040919103739.88115.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: need recommendation: decent drum machine software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can ony speak high about it! very simple to use except for saving your work,(but i hope they adress this on the next o.s. upgrade)high quality pads very robust, nice screen,easy to tranfer wav. files from PC,portable...definetly worth it! Luis --- jj 179 wrote: > I definitely want an MPC 1000 .... But I certainly > can't afford one right > now!! That's why I'm trying to use the MPD16 + > software drum machine in the > first place! ly with MSN Messenger! > Download today - it's FREE! > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 12:01:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JFxhA23326; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle area) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:59:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those of you not in the Seattle radio broadcast area can tune in to KSER's live feed on the internet, via kser.org Sept. 23, Thursday, 8-10PM Mandolin Cafe (3923 S.12th Street, Tacoma) Sept. 24, Friday, 8:30PM Starbucks (1600 E. Olive Way) Sept. 25, Saturday, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Sept. 25, Saturday, 9PM KSER live broadcast (90.7FM Everett) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 12:50:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JGgtE28400; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:42:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:39 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 This publication is not available in Switzerland. I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 13:40:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JHWqI02216; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009d01c49e1e$433375f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <009d01c49e1e$433375f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:32:02 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My main gear of live gig is laptop now, but sometimes I still use analog stuff. I am loving my 808 since 1980.. and I loved the with effects.. my live gig set up photo and mp3 is below, http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback/2003/11_17/P1040696.JPG http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/07072003_1.mp3 http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/07072003_2.mp3 Thanks Sunao At 0:57 AM -0700 04.9.19, loop.pool wrote: >Rainer wrote: > >"recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the device I got for >something like ?30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX and Eclipse...)" > >God, Rainer, I'm glad someone else loves the Zoom 1201. > >When I first bought it brand new, it had the ugliest graphics of any >piece of hardware I had ever owned >so I covered it with shiny holographic paper that I thought was cool >(and most people probably think is the >ugliest covering they have ever seen on a piece of hardware). > > I wrote all the presets on top of the box and then put it in my >rack and realized that, >much to my chagrin (and ultimate foolishness) that you can't read >the top of a rack effect when it racked with other effects. > >I felt really stupid but it is such a cheap box that now I think of >it as my 'mystery processing box'. >I can put anything through any of the 'wierd' bank of effects and >something interesting will happen. > >Now I kind of like not knowing more than I liked being able to read >the front panel. > >Great box!!!! > >Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 14:03:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JI1U006164; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:03:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c49e73$02cdb5c0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sunao, for someone who sees a laptop as the centre of his live setup, you do have a lot of very special devices in your setup...although I can't say I do recognize all of them. Two oldskool drum machines left in the front (is the right one a 808? I've never seen a real one in my life...but what is the one behind it). The synthesized set up accordeon-style I take to be an old Korg (MS20 ?), and then I recognize a Roland Space Echo, a Digitech RDS device, on top a Sherman Filterbank? and below the Space Echo? Then of course the super-cheap mixer, and the yellow rack device I know I've seen before but can't remember... Is your setup for live gigs set up like this? How long does it take you to set it up at a gig? Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Sunao Inami [mailto:webmaster@cavestudio.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2004 19:32 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) > > > Hi, > > My main gear of live gig is laptop now, but sometimes I still > use analog stuff. > I am loving my 808 since 1980.. and I loved the with effects.. > > my live gig set up photo and mp3 is below, > > http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback/200 > 3/11_17/P1040696.JPG > > http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/07072003_1.mp3 > > http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/07072003_2.mp3 > > Thanks > > Sunao > > > At 0:57 AM -0700 04.9.19, loop.pool wrote: > >Rainer wrote: > > > >"recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the > device I got for > >something like ?30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX > and Eclipse...)" > > > >God, Rainer, I'm glad someone else loves the Zoom 1201. > > > >When I first bought it brand new, it had the ugliest graphics of any > >piece of hardware I had ever owned > >so I covered it with shiny holographic paper that I thought was cool > >(and most people probably think is the > >ugliest covering they have ever seen on a piece of hardware). > > > > I wrote all the presets on top of the box and then put it in my > >rack and realized that, > >much to my chagrin (and ultimate foolishness) that you can't read > >the top of a rack effect when it racked with other effects. > > > >I felt really stupid but it is such a cheap box that now I think of > >it as my 'mystery processing box'. > >I can put anything through any of the 'wierd' bank of effects and > >something interesting will happen. > > > >Now I kind of like not knowing more than I liked being able to read > >the front panel. > > > >Great box!!!! > > > >Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 17:22:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JLE1j11903; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:12:30 -0400 Subject: Re: decent drum machine hardware From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040919101240.41930.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3178458751_5158250" Resent-Message-ID: <2sL0xB.A.LxC.0YfTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3178458751_5158250 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My personal favorite for something easy to use and decent to work with live is the Korg Electribe ES-1. It lets you sample in any sounds you want, either from sample CDs, or by creating your own sounds with instruments, drainpipes, etc, has some onboard effects you can use to tweak and resample your sounds, and has a very easy pad/step programming approach that lets yo= u construct a beat quite quickly. It is definitely limited, and doesn=B9t work so well for jungle-type stuff, but I think it=B9s a great instrument. Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 9/19/04 6:12 AM, L. Angulo at labalou2000@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Rick, > Yes with little effects drums can sound huge!I have > programmed a lot of west african rhythms on my dr-660 > using its effect presets and people often ask me where > i got the african samples from but is all coming from > my drum computer. > I was amazed to hear that Peter Gabriel recorded the > security album almost entirely with a linn drum! > Cheers > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- "loop.pool" wrote: >=20 >> > I think I may have posted this before, but I think >> > one of the cheapest >> > hardware solutions >> > for a drum machine (if you happen to own a sampler) >> > is to buy a used or new >> > Alesis SR-16 drum machine (which has the most >> > antiquated drum sounds of all >> > the machines >> > currently available new) and use it to trigger your >> > own sounds from a >> > sampler. >> >=20 >> > Drum machines are almost invariably closed >> > architecture affairs and the fact >> > of the matter is that >> > drum sounds go in and out of style (or we just get >> > sick of them). >> >=20 >> > The SR-16 has good MIDI implemenation; is really >> > easy to program and with a >> > little effects processing >> > you can even get the late eighties drum sounds to >> > sound good if you don't >> > want to use a sampler. >> >=20 >> > Speaking of that devil, my wife is very fond of >> > using some of my really old >> > analogue drum machines and then >> > putting them through different stomp box pedals. >> > It's amazing how fresh >> > drum and percussion sounds sound >> > when put through some flanging and distortion and >> > chorus, etc, not to >> > mention some of the wilder sounding rack mounted >> > DSP boxes out there today. >> >=20 >> > Heck, any drum machine connected to something like >> > the Alesis INEKO can >> > sound really fresh and innovative. >> > Besides, it gets boring to me to hear stock drum >> > machine sounds, even if >> > they are cutting edge in terms of style. >> > Throw something through the random filter patch on >> > those pricey Lexicon >> > units and you are really humming. >> >=20 >> > Just my 4 cents. >> >=20 >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 >=20 > =20 > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com >=20 --B_3178458751_5158250 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: decent drum machine hardware My personal favorite for something easy to use and dec= ent to work with live is the Korg Electribe ES-1. It lets you sample in any = sounds you want, either from sample CDs, or by creating your own sounds with= instruments, drainpipes, etc, has some onboard effects you can use to tweak= and resample your sounds, and has a very easy pad/step programming approach= that lets you construct a beat quite quickly.

It is definitely limited, and doesn’t work so well for jungle-type st= uff, but I think it’s a great instrument.


Dan

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on 9/19/04 6:12 AM, L. Angulo at labalou2000@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Rick,
Yes with little effects drums can sound huge!I have
programmed a lot of west african rhythms on my dr-660
using its effect presets and people often ask me where
i got the african samples from but is all coming from
my drum computer.
I was amazed to hear that Peter Gabriel recorded the
security album almost entirely with a linn drum!
Cheers
Luis



--- "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> I think I may have posted this before, but I think
> one of the cheapest
> hardware solutions
> for a drum machine (if you happen to own a sampler)
> is to buy a used or new
> Alesis SR-16 drum machine (which has the most
> antiquated drum sounds of all
> the machines
> currently available new) and use it to trigger your
> own sounds from a
> sampler.
>
> Drum machines are almost invariably closed
> architecture affairs and the fact
> of the matter is that
> drum sounds go in and out of style (or we just get
> sick of them).
>
> The SR-16 has good MIDI implemenation; is really
> easy to program and with a
> little effects processing
> you can even get the late eighties drum sounds to
> sound good if you don't
> want to use a sampler.
>
> Speaking of that devil,  my wife is very fond of
> using some of my really old
> analogue drum machines and then
> putting them through different stomp box pedals.
> It's amazing how fresh
> drum and percussion sounds sound
> when put through some flanging and distortion and
> chorus, etc, not to
> mention some of the wilder sounding rack mounted
> DSP boxes out there today.
>
> Heck, any drum machine connected to something like
> the Alesis INEKO can
> sound really fresh and innovative.
> Besides,  it gets boring to me to hear stock drum
> machine sounds, even if
> they are cutting edge in terms of style.
> Throw something through the random filter patch on
> those pricey Lexicon
> units and you are really humming.
>
> Just my 4 cents.
>
>


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
www.luis-angulo.com


        
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 --B_3178458751_5158250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 18:04:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JM2Ad19094; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.225.236] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:01:55 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2004 22:01:56.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[475B4A10:01C49E94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Easy way to clear a loop, instead of holding down the two switches for two seconds is to turn the phrase select to a different number and back to the one you were on in the first place, hey presto the loop has mysteriously disappeared >>> --- shane wrote: >>>> The footswitch system boss uses stinks >>>> for looping till you get used to it, >>> >>> The thing I really hate about the RC20 is having to >>> hold the switch down for two full seconds to clear a >>> loop. That's a long time in a live looping situation. >>> >>> Anyone know if this is still the same in the XL? >>> >>> -t- >> >>hold on now...two(2) FULL seconds? that aint shite :-) >>looping w/ my trustee PCM42s when i quit a loop i have to wait for the >>whole >>length of the loop(up to 20sec.) to dump before startin up again! >>know any in between loop jokes/banter? >>seeya >>s > >you know, back then we did not have the technology and knowledge to do it >better. >but when they build the RC20 they could have watched one of you guys for an >hour... >you think I am glad they did not? No... > >the Roland 3000 was rather hard: to tap the tempo (which the PCM42 could >not do at all) you had to press 3 times or so, and only about 1,5 loops >later it started to sound... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 18:06:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JM02018625; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:00:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:00:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: y2k4 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:02:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Michael I'm not sure that I remember Bill Walker's partner's name, just to make sure, was it Nancy? Don't tell anyone I asked you ;-) Thanks! CU @ Y2K4 !! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 18:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8JM7cx19941; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:07:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:07:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: y2k4 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:10:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <0U8D9C.A.I3E.fMgTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, thanks to myself, I'd better go to bed.... blushingly B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Montag, 20. September 2004 00:02 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: y2k4 > > > Hi there Michael > > I'm not sure that I remember Bill Walker's partner's name, just to make > sure, was it Nancy? > > Don't tell anyone I asked you ;-) > > Thanks! > CU @ Y2K4 !! > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:19:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0F1306788; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:15:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:15:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:13:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSeaAdUyh7fyR2hTKSjRFxRnqvmyQAPk/Gg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040920001334.LJFS7052.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <6NCbrB.A.afB.zCiTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you find someone, Bernhard? I'll gladly send it to you if not. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:44 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 This publication is not available in Switzerland. I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:29:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0RdC08547; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:26:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSeM88zIcdScppJSWaBfCC4dLRjFQAcw4dw In-Reply-To: <20040919102942.29680.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040920002653.KUMW638.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luis, The machine I had, you had to physically pull out the USB plug when you were finished using it? With the Fantom, it can stay connected all the time. Maybe I just wasn't using it correctly? There may have been some quality control problems with the unit I had? The electrical cord was a Euro design, which I couldn't use, and not all of the unit's feet touched the desk, so it wobbled when you hit the keys, and I didn't see any way to adjust them. All that being said, it is a very good looking machine, which I still look at (lust after) every time I go to the music store. Also, you can't beat the pads for touch sensitivity. I understand that Akai has the best pads on the market! Tom **************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 3:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum machine software Hi Tom, What kind of problems were u having?i havent encountered any in fact the usb function is what i love about it! ciao Luis --- Tom Rex wrote: > I had the MPC1000 but the USB functioning was so bad, I took it back > and bought Roland's Fantom S (they now have the X). ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:30:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0RLZ08401; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:27:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:27:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:29:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040920001334.LJFS7052.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <4lLPKD.A.5CC.fPiTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, thanks a lot Tom and everyone who offered. I'll buy Gary Lehmann's. Regards Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > Sent: Montag, 20. September 2004 02:14 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > > Did you find someone, Bernhard? I'll gladly send it to you if not. > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:44 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): > Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > This publication is not available in Switzerland. > I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. > > Thank you > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:33:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0PlV08051; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:25:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:25:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c49ea8$561b2390$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Mackie or Behringer mixer solution for Mark Hamburg Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:25:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, Let me strongly urge you NOT to buy the little cheapy Behringer mixer for your mono to faux stereo solution for your EDP. I bought one and those little suckers are NOISY!!!! They reverse engineered everything in their mixers exactly like the Mackies and basically saved a lot of money by using really inferior preamplifiers. Looks just like the Mackies, cost 1/3 to 1/2 of the price and, unfortunately, you get what you pay for. I'm not just mackin' on Behringer (pardon the pun). I love the FCB 1010 midi pedal they make. I'd recommend that you get Chris Bolan at Union Grove music to build you a specific box for what you want to accomplish if you can't find something already built. I doubt he would charge you very much and he could customize it's size to fit in the back of your rack. If you don't know him well (or at all) please tell him that I sent you and tell him it's for you performance at the Loop Festival.........that might get the work sped up. He's amazingly booked up these days. good luck, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:37:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0YNH10010; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:34:00 -0600 Message-ID: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49E77.3B8DEBB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49E77.3B8DEBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that summer is drawing to an end here in Boise, Idaho, USA, some of my recurring, outdoor looping venues are starting to shut down until spring. I need to start looking for more gigs to fill my winter nights. The problem is that Boise is a relatively conservative and genre-monolithic city, providing ample venues for mainstream styles like classic rock, modern rock, country, folk, and jazz, but not so abundant in venues who have owners and cliental who are open to avant-garde and improvisational looping music. I have been very fortunate in the last year, in that I've pushed the limits of my current venues as much as I felt possible - using as much atonality, experimentalism, lack of time/key signature, and absence of popular feel that I could get away with without alienating my listeners or generating glares from the venue owners. I've been relatively successful in transitioning back and forth between the abstract/experimental music that I like to play live and listen to, and the typical ambient/contemporary material that puts smiles on most peoples' faces and eases their digestion. However, the lack of venues where I can play and feel comfortable testing the limits is still an issue. In the past, I've found that a more venue-friendly first impression/demo can open the door to more artistically daring music. For instance, several years ago I once provided a demo to a venue owner that consisted mostly of jazzy, steely-dan like vocal rock.in a year I was playing Mike Stearn-like jazz fusion. Moreover, I am thinking of pulling my old jazz hollow body out of the case getting into some new venues playing traditional jazz..then slipping some of my loop music into the mix. There are at least 10 venues that I can get into almost immediately using my jazz chops, using my jazz demo CD. My jazz style is more in the Pat Martino and John Abercrombie vein, so the transition between jazz to my loop music should be easy. I figured I would start by blending a two set gig with 70 minutes of "standards" jazz and 20 minutes of loop music, then start balancing the two genres out over time. Are any of you playing loop music that is on the abstract side and finding it difficult to get satisfying gigs, especially at popular pubs and restaurants? What type of venues to you play at? Art galleries? Coffee shops? Mostly festivals? Coffee shops are starting to get old for me. Regards, Krispen ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49E77.3B8DEBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping

Now that summer is drawing to an end = here in Boise, Idaho, USA, some of my recurring, outdoor looping venues = are starting to shut down until spring.  I need to start looking = for more gigs to fill my winter nights. 

The problem is that Boise is a = relatively conservative and genre-monolithic city, providing ample = venues for mainstream styles like classic rock, modern rock, country, = folk, and jazz, but not so abundant in venues who have owners and = cliental who are open to avant-garde and improvisational looping = music.  

I have been very fortunate in the = last year, in that I've pushed the limits of my current venues as much = as I felt possible - using as much atonality, experimentalism, lack of = time/key signature, and absence of popular feel that I could get away = with without alienating my listeners or generating glares from the venue = owners.  I've been relatively successful in transitioning back and = forth between the abstract/experimental music that I like to play live = and listen to, and the typical ambient/contemporary material that puts = smiles on most peoples' faces and eases their digestion. However, the = lack of venues where I can play and feel comfortable testing the limits = is still an issue.

In the past, I've found that a more = venue-friendly first impression/demo can open the door to more = artistically daring music.  For instance, several years ago I once = provided a demo to a venue owner that consisted mostly of jazzy, = steely-dan like vocal rock…in a year I was playing Mike = Stearn-like jazz fusion.

Moreover, I am thinking of pulling my = old jazz hollow body out of the case getting into some new venues = playing traditional jazz….then slipping some of my loop music into = the mix.  There are at least 10 venues that I can get into almost = immediately using my jazz chops, using my jazz demo CD.  My jazz = style is more in the Pat Martino and John Abercrombie vein, so the = transition between jazz to my loop music should be easy. I figured I = would start by blending a two set gig with 70 minutes of = "standards" jazz and 20 minutes of loop music, then start = balancing the two genres out over time.

Are any of you playing loop music = that is on the abstract side and finding it difficult to get satisfying = gigs, especially at popular pubs and restaurants?  What type of = venues to you play at? Art galleries? Coffee shops? Mostly = festivals?  Coffee shops are starting to get old for me.

Regards,

Krispen

*********************************
Kris Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com


------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C49E77.3B8DEBB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:46:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0iYG11546; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040920004326.76192.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9UIOJD.A.FxC.zeiTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, since I'm yet again revamping my pedalboards I think I'll wire up a two-button footswitch for phrase select and reverse. I've been using the thing with a reverse footswitch since the first week it came out, but have never gotten around to trying to use the phrase select footswitch. This week I also discovered that after playing oud for the past 15 years, I've been holding the plectrum wrong. D'oh. -t- --- Dan Mayfield wrote: > Easy way to clear a loop, instead of holding down > the two switches for two > seconds is to turn the phrase select to a different > number and back to the > one you were on in the first place, hey presto the > loop has mysteriously > disappeared > > > >>> --- shane wrote: > >>>> The footswitch system boss uses stinks > >>>> for looping till you get used to it, > >>> > >>> The thing I really hate about the RC20 is > having to > >>> hold the switch down for two full seconds to > clear a > >>> loop. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K0toe13299; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:55:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f040919175518b62e97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:55:32 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping In-Reply-To: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 References: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8K0tWa13252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why does looping have to be another genre for you to play in. Why don't you incorporate some looping in your jazz sets? Just because you loop doesn't mean you have to be a-tonal, avant-garde, or weird =) ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:34:00 -0600 Subject: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Moreover, I am thinking of pulling my old jazz hollow body out of the case getting into some new venues playing traditional jazz….then slipping some of my loop music into the mix. There are at least 10 venues that I can get into almost immediately using my jazz chops, using my jazz demo CD. My jazz style is more in the Pat Martino and John Abercrombie vein, so the transition between jazz to my loop music should be easy. I figured I would start by blending a two set gig with 70 minutes of "standards" jazz and 20 minutes of loop music, then start balancing the two genres out over time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:29:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1Sdx21719; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c49eb1$bc5e1960$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20040920004326.76192.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:32:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2Z66e.A.kSF.4IjTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use two RC-20s on my jazz looping setup: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html A few months ago I figured out that you can take the knob and rubber knob cover from a Dunlop pedal (I stole mine off my phase 90) and put it on the RC-20's Phrase Select knob to make it turnable with your foot. I removed the knobs from the Guide and Level pots because I kept bumping them by accident. But it's doable with practice. The phrase numbers are covered up now, but I have them memorized by what position they would be on a clock face (Bossa = 1:00. etc). I think this is more flexible than using the footswitch since you can switch from any loop to any other loop. If you don't have a Dunlop pedal to steal them from, you can just order the knobs and covers from Dunlop through your local music store. Here are the part numbers: Knob: ECB130 Knob Cover: ECB131 Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:29:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1Mww19717; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:22:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSeqL8JBleU8nm3QRSbBCmdvfnSnwAB2Wbg Message-Id: <20040920012228.MFUI23356.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, it's Harvey Starr's and I haven't asked him yet! I did, however, pmail Bernhard the article in question. G -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 5:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 Yep, thanks a lot Tom and everyone who offered. I'll buy Gary Lehmann's. Regards Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > Sent: Montag, 20. September 2004 02:14 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > > Did you find someone, Bernhard? I'll gladly send it to you if not. > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:44 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): > Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > This publication is not available in Switzerland. > I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. > > Thank you > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:38:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1Vjd22962; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:31:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:31:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Please Excuse Gary's Absence Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:31:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040920012228.MFUI23356.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSeqL8JBleU8nm3QRSbBCmdvfnSnwAB2WbgAABOiWA= Message-Id: <20040920013130.MDCD158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plus, I'm not going to Santa Cruz this year. G -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Hey, it's Harvey Starr's and I haven't asked him yet! I did, however, pmail Bernhard the article in question. G -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Yep, thanks a lot Tom and everyone who offered. I'll buy Gary Lehmann's. Regards Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > > Did you find someone, Bernhard? I'll gladly send it to you if not. > > Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): > Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 > > This publication is not available in Switzerland. > I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. > > Thank you > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:40:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1dE025850; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c49eb3$3b02f280$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kris. Remember me? We had conversations many years back about the Roland GR-300... I have built my looping setup almost entirely with the intention of doing jazz standards, maybe you can get some ideas from it: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html I'm in the middle of totally rebuilding this setup since I just bought an Echoplex. I've been working up some more tunes using its added capabilites. The most recent one is Wes Montgomery's "West Coast Blues". I love the 'Plex!. I can make three loops for this song, one for the four-measure vamp on the Tadd Dameron-type turnaround, one for the head, and a third for soloing with the additional chromatic ii-V's like he plays on the recording. I use a 3/4 brush loop from the Peter Erskine sample CD for the drums. Unfortunately, I can't offer much in the way of advice about getting gigs because that's definitely not my strong point. I've only done a couple of gigs with the existing setup, but my intention was to go manily for gigs at restaurants, bookstores, and other places where they want low-volume music. I dunno if bars that normally have jazz groups would want some tech-head with a bunch of pedals! But I intend to try and see how it goes. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:42:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1ZEY24279; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:35:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:35:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:34:43 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c49eb2$01d8a8c0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8689ad1f040919175518b62e97@mail.gmail.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not portraying looping as a separate genre per se like jazz, rock, etc...I just happen to be using EDPs to play avant-garde music, which is more difficult to market in mainstream venues where I live. That's my main point, and also looking for ways to circumvent this trend. I can and have used the EDPs or the Boomerang to play standard jazz, but it is very difficult to pull off with most standards, because the heads (melody lines) are 16 to 32 measures long. It's easy with something like All Blues. Has anyone played and looped the changes for "Stella by Starlight," and played the head and solo over the loop? That could take up to 2 minutes for a long ballad. It gets really redundant after about 20 standards. I'd rather play traditional chord solo or play over sequences. But again, I'm not disputing whether one can play jazz with looping technology....it's playing jazz, loops or no loops, to get into more mainstream venues in my locality, and then slipping in my more obscure compositions. K- -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:TentacleJoe@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:56 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Why does looping have to be another genre for you to play in. Why don't you incorporate some looping in your jazz sets? Just because you loop doesn't mean you have to be a-tonal, avant-garde, or weird =) ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:34:00 -0600 Subject: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Moreover, I am thinking of pulling my old jazz hollow body out of the case getting into some new venues playing traditional jazz..then slipping some of my loop music into the mix. There are at least 10 venues that I can get into almost immediately using my jazz chops, using my jazz demo CD. My jazz style is more in the Pat Martino and John Abercrombie vein, so the transition between jazz to my loop music should be easy. I figured I would start by blending a two set gig with 70 minutes of "standards" jazz and 20 minutes of loop music, then start balancing the two genres out over time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:56:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1s4w30050; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c49eb5$44ca6300$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <001f01c49eb2$01d8a8c0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:58:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > main point, and also looking for ways to circumvent this trend. I can > and have used the EDPs or the Boomerang to play standard jazz, but it is > very difficult to pull off with most standards, because the heads > (melody lines) are 16 to 32 measures long. It's easy with something > like All Blues. Has anyone played and looped the changes for "Stella by > Starlight," and played the head and solo over the loop? Yeah, this is one of the tunes I have worked up. The only thing I can't do is play the pickups on the melody at the beginning, because I have to finish recording my octave-divided bass and drums before beat 1, then quickly hit the Record pedal, flip the switch on the guitar to "Guitar mode", and start playing the melody a little late. Not easy, but it can be done with practice. Tunes with a melody that starts before 1 are kind of a problem. You either start the melody a litte bit late, or come up with somet BS to play for a full chorus before it comes around again. >That could take > up to 2 minutes for a long ballad. Yeah, on ballads there is a long delay before the medloy starts, but I don't think this is a showstopper. I like to do "My Foolish Heart". > It gets really redundant after about > 20 standards. I'd rather play traditional chord solo or play over > sequences. But again, I'm not disputing whether one can play jazz with > looping technology....it's playing jazz, loops or no loops, to get into > more mainstream venues in my locality, and then slipping in my more > obscure compositions. > > K- With my setup I hope it helps make it less monotonous that I have bass and drums sounds going before the melody starts. I hope... I can make some mp3's if you wanna hear what this sounds like. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:02:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K20pK32125; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040920020036.61269.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c49eb1$bc5e1960$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did that a couple of years ago with the RC20's level control, although I had to take the knob off the guide pot to do it. The rubber part on mine is actually supposed to be a heavy duty "foot" that goes on the bottom of a rack or equipment case; it presses right down onto the Boss knob. I made a little label for the top of it with a big white-on-black clock-hand sort of marking so I can tell at a glance what the knob setting is. My Headrush got the same treatment, although now that my rig has moved back to being based around a mixer (this time with 6 aux sends) I probably won't need foot control of the loop level anymore, as it's really a bit of a balancing act. I don't think I'll need a foot-knob on the phrase select, either, though, as I'm not using it to store pre-recorded samples... -t- --- Mark Smart wrote: > A few months ago I figured out that you can take the > knob and rubber knob cover > from a Dunlop pedal (I stole mine off my phase 90) > and put it on the RC-20's > Phrase Select knob to make it turnable with your > foot. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:06:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K1xRm31617; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:59:17 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c49eb5$6ffd31b0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002c01c49eb3$3b02f280$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark! It's great to hear from you! Yes, I remember the old conversations we had in my gtr synth days, my gtr synth web page, etc. I'll check out your site and talk to you off line. West Coast Blues is an excellent tune. Peter Erskine...you're killing me, man...my favorite drummer (especially with Abercrombie). My god...the GR300 and the EDP...my mouth is watering. I can get close to that sound with my Boss footpedal synth setting....but it's just not that cool "grunty" horn/violin sound that Abercrombie and Metheny had. I've done some similar things as you with the standards, but it's the live time required to play and setup all the loops in front of the crowd that makes me cringe. Maybe I can get used to it. :) Cheers! Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Hi Kris. Remember me? We had conversations many years back about the Roland GR-300... I have built my looping setup almost entirely with the intention of doing jazz standards, maybe you can get some ideas from it: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html I'm in the middle of totally rebuilding this setup since I just bought an Echoplex. I've been working up some more tunes using its added capabilites. The most recent one is Wes Montgomery's "West Coast Blues". I love the 'Plex!. I can make three loops for this song, one for the four-measure vamp on the Tadd Dameron-type turnaround, one for the head, and a third for soloing with the additional chromatic ii-V's like he plays on the recording. I use a 3/4 brush loop from the Peter Erskine sample CD for the drums. Unfortunately, I can't offer much in the way of advice about getting gigs because that's definitely not my strong point. I've only done a couple of gigs with the existing setup, but my intention was to go manily for gigs at restaurants, bookstores, and other places where they want low-volume music. I dunno if bars that normally have jazz groups would want some tech-head with a bunch of pedals! But I intend to try and see how it goes. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K23Qv00843; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:03:14 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c49eb5$fe308b80$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003e01c49eb5$44ca6300$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, definitely send me some MP3s. You're a maniac, Mark...you may inspire me to play jazz more often. It's been over 2 years since my last professional gig....I'll have to get my Abersold CDs out to sharpen my incisors. Jazz on the EDP...what an ass kicker. Imagine looping the head of Donna Lee and then playing the chords over the top of it...it doesn't always have to be chords first, I guess...lots of possibilities... K- -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:58 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > main point, and also looking for ways to circumvent this trend. I can > and have used the EDPs or the Boomerang to play standard jazz, but it > is very difficult to pull off with most standards, because the heads > (melody lines) are 16 to 32 measures long. It's easy with something > like All Blues. Has anyone played and looped the changes for "Stella > by Starlight," and played the head and solo over the loop? Yeah, this is one of the tunes I have worked up. The only thing I can't do is play the pickups on the melody at the beginning, because I have to finish recording my octave-divided bass and drums before beat 1, then quickly hit the Record pedal, flip the switch on the guitar to "Guitar mode", and start playing the melody a little late. Not easy, but it can be done with practice. Tunes with a melody that starts before 1 are kind of a problem. You either start the melody a litte bit late, or come up with somet BS to play for a full chorus before it comes around again. >That could take > up to 2 minutes for a long ballad. Yeah, on ballads there is a long delay before the medloy starts, but I don't think this is a showstopper. I like to do "My Foolish Heart". > It gets really redundant after about > 20 standards. I'd rather play traditional chord solo or play over > sequences. But again, I'm not disputing whether one can play jazz > with looping technology....it's playing jazz, loops or no loops, to > get into more mainstream venues in my locality, and then slipping in > my more obscure compositions. > > K- With my setup I hope it helps make it less monotonous that I have bass and drums sounds going before the melody starts. I hope... I can make some mp3's if you wanna hear what this sounds like. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:16:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K2ELC04492; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <15101312.1095646435757.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a solo looping acoustic guitarist, I've found that places with the words "grill", "bar" or "tavern" don't seem interested in what I do, whereas anywhere with "cafe", "coffee" or "tea" is interested. The feedback I've gotten from the booking agents at the former is that they like my stuff, but they're looking for something with more "energy". What it seems to boil down to is you can not have drums or not have vocals, but not both. I don't advertise my stuff as featuring looping, even though all of my pieces are built on echoplex loops, so as far as they're concerned, I'm a "contemporary acoustic guitar insrumentalist". For some places, the looping is an attractive bonus, but by and large the subject doesn't come up. If you're looking for jazz gigs, I'd definitely recommend pulling out the 175 and lay down a backing track and bass line for whatever standard you're doing on the EDP and then play solos on top of it. I wouldn't bother explaining the concept to the agent--just tell them you're doing a Jim Hall/George Van Eps thing with standards, and see if they know enough to ask you how you're pulling it off. I suspect they won't, and when they find out, they won't care. I'd think that all the jazz-style bar/restaurant/hotel gigs would dig that. Dealing with one musician rather than a group is preferable for most booking agents. And you get to keep all the money. >Are any of you playing loop music that is on the abstract side and >finding it difficult to get satisfying gigs, especially at popular pubs >and restaurants? What type of venues to you play at? Art galleries? >Coffee shops? Mostly festivals? Coffee shops are starting to get old >for me. >Regards, >Krispen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:26:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K2IdP06086; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040920021816.22928.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Pedal/Footswitch Remote Funk-tionality (was: Boss RC20XL) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040920020036.61269.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0QZ7yC.A.fdB.t3jTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And while we're on the topic of stooping over to twist the knobs on floor-based effects or turning the knobs with our toes, here's an idea that I've always wanted to see implemented in a stompbox, particularly in the newer ones that have a lot of controls better suited to hand control. How about a jack which would bypass the unit's own footswitch and connect to a simple floor-based button, allowing the pedal to be used on a keyboard stand, tabletop, top of an amp or rack, whatever, at hand level, while still retaining the "stomp" aspect of the stompbox? (When the jack wasn't being used, the pedal would act like a regular foot-operated pedal.) I know a prerequisite to employment as a Boss/Roland engineer is a firm committment to solipsism, so I don't really expect to see this on the RC-20 or the PS-5 and their kindred anytime soon, but hey, wouldn't it be nice? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:26:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K2JT306569; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:18:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Please Excuse Gary's Absence From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040920013130.MDCD158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awwwh thats too bad-i wuz lookin forward to some singalongg loopeeness:-( why not? also, what article was in EM ? s > Plus, I'm not going to Santa Cruz this year. > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > > Hey, it's Harvey Starr's and I haven't asked him yet! I did, however, pmail > Bernhard the article in question. > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > > Yep, thanks a lot Tom and everyone who offered. I'll buy Gary Lehmann's. > > Regards > Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] >> >> Did you find someone, Bernhard? I'll gladly send it to you if not. >> >> Tom > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] >> Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): >> Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 >> >> This publication is not available in Switzerland. >> I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. >> >> Thank you >> Bernhard > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:29:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K2SR608950; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <27.622a8307.2e7f9a24@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:27:48 EDT Subject: Re: y2k4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_27.622a8307.2e7f9a24_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_27.622a8307.2e7f9a24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/04 5:59:49 PM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > was it Nancy? > i sure hope so!.....:).....michael --part1_27.622a8307.2e7f9a24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/19/04 5:59:49 PM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes:


was it Nancy?


i sure hope so!.....:).....michael --part1_27.622a8307.2e7f9a24_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:43:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K2e0w12220; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:38:35 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c49eba$edcd0ac0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15101312.1095646435757.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny, a festival booking coordinator said that exact same thing to me this summer ("looking for something with more energy" but my music was nonetheless beautiful). I think you're right Travis. Another thing is that venue owners seem to think that a musician's CD somehow defines everything he can do as a performer, which is total BS. Maybe for Brittney Spears, but not us loopers. I play stuff with "energy" frequently when I'm out and about, but it isn't on my CD. I think I'll just create a special demo CD to get me gigs, then I'll play what I damn well please once I arrive. Call it artistic license. Ha! 175? Nahhh...I've got a Paul Reed Smith McCarty Archtop that plays like a dream with out the feedback. :) I'll try a little bit of everything suggested hear...some playing over pre-recorded sequences, some looping of the standard changes, some of my far out original material, etc. The cool thing with looping is that I can just burn the final loop on CD, so they don't have to hear me take 3 minutes to build a feakin' song in real time. I may burn a few tracks this week and send some out to the group for review....you all can help me get my jazz chops back. K- -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping As a solo looping acoustic guitarist, I've found that places with the words "grill", "bar" or "tavern" don't seem interested in what I do, whereas anywhere with "cafe", "coffee" or "tea" is interested. The feedback I've gotten from the booking agents at the former is that they like my stuff, but they're looking for something with more "energy". What it seems to boil down to is you can not have drums or not have vocals, but not both. I don't advertise my stuff as featuring looping, even though all of my pieces are built on echoplex loops, so as far as they're concerned, I'm a "contemporary acoustic guitar insrumentalist". For some places, the looping is an attractive bonus, but by and large the subject doesn't come up. If you're looking for jazz gigs, I'd definitely recommend pulling out the 175 and lay down a backing track and bass line for whatever standard you're doing on the EDP and then play solos on top of it. I wouldn't bother explaining the concept to the agent--just tell them you're doing a Jim Hall/George Van Eps thing with standards, and see if they know enough to ask you how you're pulling it off. I suspect they won't, and when they find out, they won't care. I'd think that all the jazz-style bar/restaurant/hotel gigs would dig that. Dealing with one musician rather than a group is preferable for most booking agents. And you get to keep all the money. >Are any of you playing loop music that is on the abstract side and >finding it difficult to get satisfying gigs, especially at popular pubs >and restaurants? What type of venues to you play at? Art galleries? >Coffee shops? Mostly festivals? Coffee shops are starting to get old >for me. >Regards, >Krispen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 23:40:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K3cHJ26178; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> References: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <68ABF083-0AB6-11D9-B3C2-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:37:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8K3bfa26080 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 19, 2004, at 7:34 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > the mix.  There are at least 10 venues that I can get into almost > immediately using my jazz chops, using my jazz demo CD.  My jazz style > is more in the Pat Martino and John Abercrombie vein, so the > transition between jazz to my loop music should be easy. I figured I > would start by blending a two set gig with 70 minutes of "standards" > jazz and 20 being a jazz organist, i've found looping and jazz to be quite harmonious. i've been incorporating ethereal looping into jazz standards for years now. Pat Martino ... John Abercrombie ... those guys played with hella organists. John is on 3 amazing Dr Lonnie Smith albums (not to mention the ECM stuff with Dan Wall), and Martino used to play with Trudy Pitts and Jack McDuff. i would recommend playing jazz because you like it though, not just to loop. that's kind of like a saxophonist playing jazz just because they want to play a lot of notes. if you just want gigs a wedding band would pay much better, and involve more liquor. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 23:49:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K3kfp27685; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EM LaFosse Article Posted Here Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:46:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSeuJOOz399iBlTQpu2irj+Y+BbdAACXojA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040920034626.PUCA23309.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stan and my other Bay area loop buddies-- I will not be attending this year's get together as I find it "puts me off my game" *^) I have too many unfinished projects and it takes most of a week for me and mine to make the trek to Santa Cruz and back--can't spare the time. As far as the article--I scanned it for Bernard and it features Andre LaFosse, master of the Echoplex. I OCRed it and you will find it at the end of this message. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, the issue also has a roundup of 13 software drum machines. I don't subscribe to EM; I find that EM feeds my GAS waay too much. I am currently fighting off the urge to acquire the AdrenaLinnII. Any users willing to push me to the brink? Gary -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] awwwh thats too bad-i wuz lookin forward to some singalongg loopeeness:-( why not? also, what article was in EM ? s > Plus, I'm not going to Santa Cruz this year. > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > > Hey, it's Harvey Starr's and I haven't asked him yet! I did, however, > pmail Bernhard the article in question. > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > > Yep, thanks a lot Tom and everyone who offered. I'll buy Gary Lehmann's. > > Regards > Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] >> >> Did you find someone, Bernhard? I'll gladly send it to you if not. >> >> Tom > >> -----Original Message-----From: Bernhard Wagner Could anyone buy this issue for me (please respond off list): Electronic Musician September 2004 Issue, Vol. 20, No. 11 This publication is not available in Switzerland. I'll buy the issue off the kind person at Y2K4. Normalized/Andre Lafosse Andre LaFosse began creating improvisational, loop-based music as a student at the California Institute of the Arts, pairing a guitar with a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro looping delay processor to embark upon daring sonic explorations. His 1999 debut album, Disruption Theory, documented his intensive work with the Echoplex and earned critical acclaim. Normalized (Altruist Music, 2003) is LaFosse's second album. LaFosse recorded, mixed, and mastered the entire album in his apartment. It showcases 14 live, improvised Echoplex solos. 'The concept was to capture all of the frequencies that the guitar emanates," LaFosse says. "Most of the album is solo guitar, so I wanted to see how full a sonic picture I could get. A guitar amp produces a very midrange-heavy sound, which speakers or amp simulators strive to emulate. For the most part, that's the sound I wanted to avoid on Normalized". LaFosse played his Steinberger GM4T electric guitar through a Mesa/Boogie DC-3 tube amp. "All Echoplex solos were recorded through this amp using a direct output that had no speaker simulator," LaFosse says. He recorded his guitar directly into a Mac G4/400 as a full-frequency signal for all but the title track. "I recorded everything through an M-Audio Omni Studio sound card into [Emagic] Logic Audio Platinum 4.7," LaFosse says. "For each track of solo guitar loops, I applied about a dozen plug-ins, including PSPaudioware's Vintage Warmer, MixPack, and StereoPack," LaFosse says. "I used StereoPack to synthesize a stereo image for the original mono tracks. I also used [Cycling '741 Pluggo plug-ins and some freeware plug-ins from MDA-VST and Dragan Petrovic. I used Logic's standard EQ plug-ins, including Fat EQ. It took quite a while to figure out which frequencies to cut and which ones to boost-and at which stage of the signal path. "I dial-in extra midrange when I play in order to accentuate the artificial harmonics that are a big part of my style," LaFosse says. "1 used PSPaudioware's Mixlreble and MixBass plug-ins to synthesize a bit of high- and low-end frequency content to fill in the gaps in those frequency ranges." Three tracks-"The Proposition,"' Interference," and "Rockhouse"-involve additional production techniques. "I recorded some guitar overdubs using the amp's speaker simulator so that the melodic parts would sound like regular guitars," LaFosse says. 'Other times I'd run a cable out of the guitar directly into the M-Audio sound card, record it completely dry, and then add distortion, speaker simulators, and other effects after the fact". LaFosse's guitar also produced the bass sounds on these three tracks. "On 'The Proposition' and Interference,' I fed the signal through heavy compression and an MDA-VST subharmonic synthesizer plug-in to produce a basslike tone," he says. "The bass on 'Rockhouse' came from using Logic's pitch-shifting plug-in to drop the guitar down an octave. I scattered some Cycling '74 Pluggo effects throughout-the stringlike texture during the last chorus of 'The Proposition' and the high-pitched, synthlike sound on 'Interference.' Some of the fuzz-toned guitars on interference' are also derived from Pluggo distortion patches. "1 used the flashier plug-ins very sparingly," LaFosse adds. "They're used as light seasonings, ratherthan as main ingredients. The foundation of the album is the live Echoplex guitar style, and I didn'twantthe flashier plug-in sound to detract from that". For more information, contact Altruist Music; email altruist@altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 01:46:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K5iZE16247; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Mackie or Behringer mixer solution for Mark Hamburg Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:44:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <010c01c49ea8$561b2390$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <19vNB.A.t8D.v4mTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, check this out , http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23785&item=3749313610 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW, this is an ebay ad for a tiny midiman multimixer that are very tiny and quiet. could fit in the back of a rack no problemo. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 5:26 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Mackie or Behringer mixer solution for Mark Hamburg Hey Mark, Let me strongly urge you NOT to buy the little cheapy Behringer mixer for your mono to faux stereo solution for your EDP. I bought one and those little suckers are NOISY!!!! They reverse engineered everything in their mixers exactly like the Mackies and basically saved a lot of money by using really inferior preamplifiers. Looks just like the Mackies, cost 1/3 to 1/2 of the price and, unfortunately, you get what you pay for. I'm not just mackin' on Behringer (pardon the pun). I love the FCB 1010 midi pedal they make. I'd recommend that you get Chris Bolan at Union Grove music to build you a specific box for what you want to accomplish if you can't find something already built. I doubt he would charge you very much and he could customize it's size to fit in the back of your rack. If you don't know him well (or at all) please tell him that I sent you and tell him it's for you performance at the Loop Festival.........that might get the work sped up. He's amazingly booked up these days. good luck, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 02:36:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K6Y0Q27768; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:34:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040920063224.15579.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum machine software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040920002653.KUMW638.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, this is true i sort of ignored this things but for the price it shouldn´t show such obvious hardware faults! ciao Luis --- Tom Rex wrote: > Hi Luis, > > The machine I had, you had to physically pull out > the USB plug when you were > finished using it? With the Fantom, it can stay > connected all the time. > Maybe I just wasn't using it correctly? > > There may have been some quality control problems > with the unit I had? The > electrical cord was a Euro design, which I couldn't > use, and not all of the > unit's feet touched the desk, so it wobbled when you > hit the keys, and I > didn't see any way to adjust them. > > All that being said, it is a very good looking > machine, which I still look > at (lust after) every time I go to the music store. > Also, you can't beat > the pads for touch sensitivity. I understand that > Akai has the best pads on > the market! > > Tom > > **************************************************** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 3:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: need recommendation: decent drum > machine software > > Hi Tom, > What kind of problems were u having?i havent > encountered any in fact the usb > function is what i love about it! > ciao > Luis > > > > > > > --- Tom Rex wrote: > > > I had the MPC1000 but the USB functioning was so > bad, I took it back > > and bought Roland's Fantom S (they now have the > X). > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 03:06:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8K5XPv13583; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:33:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: My girl Nancy and promoters with loop bias. Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:31:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49E98.71E70680" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <27.622a8307.2e7f9a24@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-BzMU.A.LLD.NtmTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49E98.71E70680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jeez you guys, just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not reading this crap! Ha Ha! Anyway, my significant other's name is indeed Nancy. OK? Now was that off topic enough? PS to Krispen. regarding promoter resistance to looping. I had a related conversation with the local producer of a public access TV program called Musicians Weekly that I took part in last fall.. We were speaking at a party I had just performed a loop set at, and rather than play solo like I usually do, I had a good friend and outstanding drummer sit in with me for my set, and basically listen and interact with my loop inventions. He (Ron, the TV guy) was talking about how his experience tapping loopers is ,that we don't make particularly interesting subject matter from a visual standpoint. The extreme case being, in some instances the artist in question took to much time in the building and creation of the loop ideas, and lets face it, watching someone look at their rack is not that interesting.(no matter how cool the gear is LOL) But at the crux of his feedback was that, what was being lost was the interaction between the musicians, the human interplay, that is really vital to draw people in. He went on to say in regards to my set, was that just by having another musician to provide a foil, made a big difference from an audience standpoint. I would tend to agree. There are certainly loop soloists, that come to mind ,that I've seen, that can definitely hold your attention for a set. But the often times static nature of looping can have a decidedly lulling effect rather than an exciting one. I would consider myself a fairly introverted guy, even though I like to perform, but I have to stay conscious of not lapsing in to shoe gazer mode. So I work at trying to make my live looping thing more interesting by being more engaging with the audience, and keeping my loop ideas constantly morphing. And I'm also rethinking the whole solo loop thing and leaning towards working more in a duo setting, again. I realize from an economic standpoint that doing a solo act has its advantage$, but I must say I miss the interaction with a real human. BTW, I too am the proud owner of a hollow body PRS, which i bought to replace a 335 I had that was boat anchor. Best electric guitar I've ever owned, and I'm a dyed in the wool strat guy. Bill [William Walker] -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k4 In a message dated 9/19/04 5:59:49 PM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: was it Nancy? i sure hope so!.....:).....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49E98.71E70680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
jeez=20 you guys, just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not reading = this crap!=20 Ha Ha! Anyway, my significant other's name is indeed Nancy.  OK? = Now was=20 that off topic enough?
PS to=20 Krispen. regarding promoter resistance to looping. I had a related=20 conversation with the local producer of a public access TV program = called=20 Musicians Weekly that I took part in last fall.. We were speaking at a=20 party I had just performed a loop set at, and rather than play solo = like I=20 usually do, I had a good friend and outstanding drummer sit in with = me for=20 my set, and basically listen and interact with my loop = inventions. He (Ron,=20 the TV guy) was talking about how his experience tapping loopers is = ,that=20 we don't make particularly interesting subject matter from a visual = standpoint.=20 The extreme case being, in some instances the artist in question took to = much=20 time in the building and creation of the loop ideas, and lets face it, = watching=20 someone look at their rack is not that interesting.(no matter how cool = the gear=20 is LOL) But at the crux of his feedback was that, what was being = lost was=20 the interaction between the musicians, the human interplay, that is = really vital=20 to draw people in. He went on to say in regards to my set,=20 was that just by having another musician to provide a foil, = made a big=20 difference from an audience standpoint. I would tend to = agree. There are=20 certainly loop soloists,  that come to mind ,that I've seen,=20  that can definitely hold your attention for a set. But the often = times=20 static nature of looping can have a decidedly lulling effect rather than = an=20 exciting one.  I would consider myself a fairly introverted = guy,  even=20 though I like to perform, but I have to stay conscious of not lapsing in = to shoe=20 gazer mode.  So I work at trying to make my live looping thing = more=20 interesting by being more engaging with the audience, and keeping my = loop ideas=20 constantly morphing. And I'm also rethinking the whole solo loop = thing and=20 leaning towards working more in a duo setting, again.  I realize = from an=20 economic standpoint that doing a solo act has its advantage$, but I must = say I=20 miss the interaction with a real human. BTW, I too am the proud owner of = a=20 hollow body PRS, which i bought to replace a 335 I had that was boat = anchor.=20 Best electric guitar I've ever owned, and I'm a dyed in the wool strat=20 guy.
Bill
 
 [William=20 Walker]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
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In a message dated 9/19/04 5:59:49 PM, = loopdelightml@nosuch.biz=20 writes:


was=20 it Nancy?


i sure hope so!.....:).....michael = ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C49E98.71E70680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 09:02:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8KCtBK12187; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Performance confirmation... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:53:15 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C13713B@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: decent drum machine hardware Thread-Index: AcSdaX0VTWILNL71RhmGx5tjBVRazwBpL1wg From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2004 12:53:09.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7CA8D10:01C49F10] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8KCrKa11580 Resent-Message-ID: <3E9u3C.A.U1C.BLtTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Rick, Just thought I'd drop you a line to mentioned that it is confirmed that both Ginger and myself will be there the weekend of the show. We will be arriving in San Jose around 11:15p.m. Friday. We have rented a car, we should be to the hotel around midnight - 1:00am. We are checking into the hotel you mentioned (by the way thanks for the suggestion). Unfortunately Ginger and I will only be able to perform and see the rest show Saturday as we leave for mpls. Sunday morning 6:00 a.m. very early flight. So when you do have a confirmed time Saturday of when COCHLEAR ELECTROLYSIS will be performing let me know. If possible sometime after 12 noon if possible. I think we will be pretty tired, however if you have us scheduled early no big deal. Ginger and I are looking forward to performing and are real excited to meet you and other fellow loopers. Best Regards, Leo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 10:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8KDtgY23568; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10882451.1095688424361.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:53:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: humanizing live looping RE: My girl Nancy and promoters with loop bias. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Thanks for the useful insights. Yeah, Belew dealt with this early on by briefly explaining to his audience the concept of looping and then asking "would you like to see me make a loop?"
Always engage the audience in what you are doing, ALTHOUGH if you are playing a "hip" place like the Zeitgeist Gallery and your audience is made up of jaded, "seen-it-all" musicians, explanations are perhaps unnecessary. Friendly banter, yes, but not explanations, not to a crowd like that. That'd be like presuming to explain physics to Einstein (LOL).
Another idea for humanizing the looping thing, whether you're playing to "civilians" or to fellow musicians, is to do the Tris Lozaw Auto 66 thing... using a kitchen timer to limit your jams to, say, 5 minutes each. 
~Tim
  
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 11:00:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8KEtpN03334; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c49f22$55159a00$73cfa344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <10882451.1095688424361.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: humanizing live looping Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:58:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C49F00.CD86DAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.207.115] at Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:54:02 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <6NGpZC.A.fp.M8uTBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C49F00.CD86DAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim -=20 I agree. Engaging the audience is a good idea. In fact, the odder the = music, the more it can help to show a human face. And I know Boston can = be a tough town for musicians as so many of the audience members are = also musicians themselves. However, there are other ways of getting = people's attention. :-) At The Lizard Lounge last year I did a solo looping show. As usual, 75% = of the audience were chatting among themselves. Why not? They could = while the music was quiet enough. So after about 10 minutes, I = introduced myself, made a few comments on the weather and invited people = to talk as much as they could now, because pretty soon I was going to = get very loud and they would not be able to. 10 minutes later, talking = had essentially stopped. You see, the nice thing about being a solo = looping guy is that bands after me always have their stuff on stage. = I'd asked in advance if I could also use their amps in addition to mine. = So, there I was. Looping some nice dark numbers so fucking loudly = through about 500 watts of guitar & bass amps that talking essentially = stopped. =20 I wish I could get Tris to use his kitchen timer when we play! David Kirkdorffer UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dlist ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mungenast@earthlink.net=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: humanizing live looping RE: My girl Nancy and promoters with = loop bias. Thanks for the useful insights. Yeah, Belew dealt with this early on = by briefly explaining to his audience the concept of looping and then = asking "would you like to see me make a loop?"=20 Always engage the audience in what you are doing, ALTHOUGH if you are = playing a "hip" place like the Zeitgeist Gallery and your audience is = made up of jaded, "seen-it-all" musicians, explanations are perhaps = unnecessary. Friendly banter, yes, but not explanations, not to a crowd = like that. That'd be like presuming to explain physics to Einstein = (LOL). Another idea for humanizing the looping thing, whether you're playing = to "civilians" or to fellow musicians, is to do the Tris Lozaw Auto 66 = thing... using a kitchen timer to limit your jams to, say, 5 minutes = each.=20 ~Tim www.mungenast.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C49F00.CD86DAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tim -
 
I agree.  Engaging the audience is = a good=20 idea.  In fact, the odder the music, the more it can help to show a = human=20 face.  And I know Boston can be a tough town for musicians as so = many of=20 the audience members are also musicians themselves.  However, there = are=20 other ways of getting people's attention. :-)
 
At The Lizard Lounge last year I did a = solo looping=20 show.  As usual, 75% of the audience were chatting among = themselves. =20 Why not?  They could while the music was quiet enough.   = So after=20 about 10 minutes, I introduced myself, made a few comments on the = weather and=20 invited people to talk as much as they could now, because pretty soon I = was=20 going to get very loud and they would not be able to.  10 minutes later, talking had essentially = stopped.  You=20 see, the nice thing about being a solo looping guy is that bands after = me always=20 have their stuff on stage.  I'd asked in advance if I could also = use their=20 amps in addition to mine.  So, there I was.  Looping some nice = dark=20 numbers so fucking loudly through about 500 watts of guitar & bass = amps that=20 talking essentially stopped. 
 
I wish I could get Tris to use his = kitchen timer=20 when we play!
 
David Kirkdorffer
UNDO
http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dli= st
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mungenast@earthlink.net =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, September 20, = 2004 9:53=20 AM
Subject: humanizing live = looping RE: My=20 girl Nancy and promoters with loop bias.

Thanks for the useful insights. Yeah, Belew dealt with=20 this early on by briefly explaining to his audience the concept = of=20 looping and then asking "would you like to see me make a loop?" =
Always engage the audience in what you are doing, ALTHOUGH = if you=20 are playing a "hip" place like the Zeitgeist Gallery and your audience = is made=20 up of jaded, "seen-it-all" musicians, explanations are perhaps = unnecessary.=20 Friendly banter, yes, but not explanations, not to a crowd like that. = That'd=20 be like presuming to explain physics to Einstein (LOL).
Another idea for humanizing the looping thing, whether you're = playing to=20 "civilians" or to fellow musicians, is to do the Tris Lozaw Auto 66 = thing...=20 using a kitchen timer to limit your jams to, say, 5 minutes = each. 
~Tim
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= ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C49F00.CD86DAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 11:40:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8KFaPL16403; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <13001303.1095694527267.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:35:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: humanizing live looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
David, I think I prefer YOUR method (LOL)!
As a tinnitis sufferer, I've always *tried* to keep my volume manageable, BUT the older I get, the more I think that low, "responsible" volume just encourages certain crowds to talk over us musicians. It varies from club to club and depends on what the clientele are used to hearing.
Maybe I should try The Kirkdorffer Method...hey, I've gotta give my custom earplugs a workout! The 25 DB inserts oughta do it, yes?
 
My ancient and dearly beloved 15-watt Vox Nova, while damned loud for its size and wattage rating, may not be quite the ticket for creating this wall-o-sound you describe. 
Oh Mister Soundman? Can we have a mike on my amp?  Maybe I can shlep an SVT stack into the Zeit?
(hee hee!) 
 
Yours in Scrotum-Crushing Volume,
Tim "Dallas-Arbiter" Mungenast
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 11:45:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8KFcYV16967; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1095694685!20369447 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557CEC@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: colin@colinfraser.com Subject: midi looper Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:30:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C49F26.CDE7CA30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C49F26.CDE7CA30 Content-Type: text/plain http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/p3.htm this is a device that can be used as a midi looper in the same /sort/ of way that we are used to using audio looping devices; although principally it is designed as a multi-track step sequencer, it has a couple of live record modes that allow the pattern steps to be updated from a midi device (keyboard or w.h.y.) whilst it is running. it's monophonic, but with a bit of sleight-of-hand, it can be persuaded to create polyphonic &/or polyrhythmic patterns, all in real-time. I exploit this by creating playlists of several patterns for each track (there are 8, which may correspond, if you want it to, to as many as 8 midi channels or as few as 1). I give each of these patterns a suitable timebase so that the overall "loop" is of several chained patterns of 16 steps each. this gives a suitable resolution to the live-recording so that nuances of one's playing are adequately captured. essentially, I'm using 8 patterns of 16 steps each as one large pattern with high resolution, & over-recording their contents in real-time, while other tracks are playing patterns in their own playlists, maybe at different resolutions &c..... at this stage, I should point out that the current software build only captures note data, though it's possible to pre-program the attendant velocity values aswell as a bunch of other controller values per step, per pattern. colin has designed this machine from the perspective of providing a genuinely useful step-sequencer for live performance, & the result is an excellent tool for electronic music. that said, the live-record features haven't been purposely designed as an analogue of the sorts of looping hardware we are all using for audio (jammans, repeaters, EDP's & the like), but I have to say- especially for monophonic lines- it's getting very close. more later. d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C49F26.CDE7CA30 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable midi looper

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this is a device that can be used as a midi looper in the= same /sort/ of way that we are used to using audio looping devices; althou= gh principally it is designed as a multi-track step sequencer, it has a cou= ple of live record modes that allow the pattern steps to be updated from a = midi device (keyboard or w.h.y.) whilst it is running.

it's monophonic, but with a bit of sleight-of-hand, it ca= n be persuaded to create polyphonic &/or polyrhythmic patterns, all in = real-time.

I exploit this by creating playlists of several patterns = for each track (there are 8, which may correspond, if you want it to, to as= many as 8 midi channels or as few as 1).

 
I give each of these patterns a suitable timebase so tha= t the overall "loop" is of several chained patterns of 16 steps e= ach. this gives a suitable resolution to the live-recording so that nuances= of one's playing are adequately captured. essentially, I'm using 8 pattern= s of 16 steps each as one large pattern with high resolution, & over-re= cording their contents in real-time, while other tracks are playing pattern= s in their own playlists, maybe at different resolutions &c.....=

 
at this stage, I should point out that the current softw= are build only captures note data, though it's possible to pre-program the = attendant velocity values aswell as a bunch of other controller values per = step, per pattern.

colin has designed this machine from the perspective of p= roviding a genuinely useful step-sequencer for live performance, & the = result is an excellent tool for electronic music. that said, the live-recor= d features haven't been purposely designed as an analogue of the sorts of l= ooping hardware we are all using for audio (jammans, repeaters, EDP's &= the like), but I have to say- especially for monophonic lines- it's gettin= g very close.

more later.

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C49F26.CDE7CA30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 14:52:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8KIn9w22930; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040920193639.02822280@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:46:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Mackie or Behringer mixer solution for Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <200409200138.i8K1cFu25410@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409200138.i8K1cFu25410@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:38 20/09/04, you wrote: >Let me strongly urge you NOT to buy the little cheapy Behringer mixer for >your mono to faux stereo solution for your >EDP. I bought one and those little suckers are NOISY!!!! They >reverse engineered everything in their mixers exactly >like the Mackies and basically saved a lot of money by using really >inferior preamplifiers. Looks just like the Mackies, >cost 1/3 to 1/2 of the price and, unfortunately, you get what you pay >for. I'm not just mackin' on Behringer (pardon the pun). I use 2 Behringer mixers all the time, and don't have a noise problem. So probably better to say "don't go Behringer without trying that model first". in any case, for the stereo>>mono>>stereo thing the quality of the mic pres wouldn't be an issue. Mind you, I agree with Rick about the Zoom 1201 :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 22:24:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8L2GGo05818; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c49f81$64a2b980$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <002101c49eb5$fe308b80$6a01a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:19:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_duJjB.A.qWB.b64TBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dashed off a rough recording of "West Coast Blues" and posted it at the very bottom of the page: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Recording the 3 background loops in took about the first 1 minute 20 seconds. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > Yes, definitely send me some MP3s. You're a maniac, Mark...you may > inspire me to play jazz more often. It's been over 2 years since my last > professional gig....I'll have to get my Abersold CDs out to sharpen my > incisors. Jazz on the EDP...what an ass kicker. Imagine looping the > head of Donna Lee and then playing the chords over the top of it...it > doesn't always have to be chords first, I guess...lots of > possibilities... > > K- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:58 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > > > > main point, and also looking for ways to circumvent this trend. I can > > > and have used the EDPs or the Boomerang to play standard jazz, but it > > is very difficult to pull off with most standards, because the heads > > (melody lines) are 16 to 32 measures long. It's easy with something > > like All Blues. Has anyone played and looped the changes for "Stella > > by Starlight," and played the head and solo over the loop? > > Yeah, this is one of the tunes I have worked up. The only thing I can't > do is play the pickups on the melody at the beginning, because I have to > finish recording my octave-divided bass and drums before beat 1, then > quickly hit the Record pedal, flip the switch on the guitar to "Guitar > mode", and start playing the melody a little late. Not easy, but it can > be done with practice. Tunes with a melody that starts before 1 are kind > of a problem. You either start the melody a litte bit late, or come up > with somet BS to play for a full chorus before it comes around again. > > >That could take > > up to 2 minutes for a long ballad. > > Yeah, on ballads there is a long delay before the medloy starts, but I > don't think this is a showstopper. I like to do "My Foolish Heart". > > > It gets really redundant after about > > 20 standards. I'd rather play traditional chord solo or play over > > sequences. But again, I'm not disputing whether one can play jazz > > with looping technology....it's playing jazz, loops or no loops, to > > get into more mainstream venues in my locality, and then slipping in > > my more obscure compositions. > > > > K- > > With my setup I hope it helps make it less monotonous that I have bass > and drums sounds going before the melody starts. I hope... > > I can make some mp3's if you wanna hear what this sounds like. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 22:30:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8L2O8u07917; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:23:54 -0600 Message-ID: <009101c49f82$0aefa960$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000601c49f81$64a2b980$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <5ljLL.A.r6B.-C5TBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice! The brushes sound very natural. What sort of guitar are using? It sounds very hollow. I better get off my butt this week and make a few sample clips. I'm just doing guitar comping and then heads and solos for now...that's more natural for me, sort of like the Jim Hall/Pat Metheny duo sound. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping I dashed off a rough recording of "West Coast Blues" and posted it at the very bottom of the page: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Recording the 3 background loops in took about the first 1 minute 20 seconds. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > Yes, definitely send me some MP3s. You're a maniac, Mark...you may > inspire me to play jazz more often. It's been over 2 years since my > last professional gig....I'll have to get my Abersold CDs out to > sharpen my incisors. Jazz on the EDP...what an ass kicker. Imagine > looping the head of Donna Lee and then playing the chords over the top > of it...it doesn't always have to be chords first, I guess...lots of > possibilities... > > K- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:58 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > > > > main point, and also looking for ways to circumvent this trend. I > > can > > > and have used the EDPs or the Boomerang to play standard jazz, but > > it > > is very difficult to pull off with most standards, because the heads > > (melody lines) are 16 to 32 measures long. It's easy with something > > like All Blues. Has anyone played and looped the changes for "Stella > > by Starlight," and played the head and solo over the loop? > > Yeah, this is one of the tunes I have worked up. The only thing I > can't do is play the pickups on the melody at the beginning, because I > have to finish recording my octave-divided bass and drums before beat > 1, then quickly hit the Record pedal, flip the switch on the guitar to > "Guitar mode", and start playing the melody a little late. Not easy, > but it can be done with practice. Tunes with a melody that starts > before 1 are kind of a problem. You either start the melody a litte > bit late, or come up with somet BS to play for a full chorus before it > comes around again. > > >That could take > > up to 2 minutes for a long ballad. > > Yeah, on ballads there is a long delay before the medloy starts, but I > don't think this is a showstopper. I like to do "My Foolish Heart". > > > It gets really redundant after about > > 20 standards. I'd rather play traditional chord solo or play over > > sequences. But again, I'm not disputing whether one can play jazz > > with looping technology....it's playing jazz, loops or no loops, to > > get into more mainstream venues in my locality, and then slipping in > > my more obscure compositions. > > > > K- > > With my setup I hope it helps make it less monotonous that I have bass > and drums sounds going before the melody starts. I hope... > > I can make some mp3's if you wanna hear what this sounds like. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 22:48:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8L2cv612495; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c49f84$8f7622c0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <009101c49f82$0aefa960$6a01a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:41:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > Nice! The brushes sound very natural. Thanks, that's the Erskine 3/4 brush loop being very substantially sped up by the tap tempo function on the RC-20, and it doesn't sound all weird like almost everything ELSE does when you speed it up with the tap tempo function on the RC-20... > What sort of guitar are using? That's just the solidbody Ibanez Artist AR-250 shown on the page with the Copeland hex pickup. I played that one all with my thumb, which probably contributes to the "Wes-ness" quite a bit. The "Fenderizer" pedal makes it sound bright like a Fender amp. The Copeland Pickup is very bright sounding anyway, and also has a lot less sustain than a regular pickup (much smaller magnets and coils), so that's probably also making it sound more like a jazz-box. > It sounds very hollow. I better get off my butt this week and make a few > sample clips. I'm just doing guitar comping and then heads and solos > for now...that's more natural for me, sort of like the Jim Hall/Pat > Metheny duo sound. > > Kris Cool, I look forward to hearing them. I have a rehearsal and a gig later in the week, but I hope I'll have time to make a few more recordings. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 01:05:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8L51d110459; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Yon Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Improvised queer themed music & spoken word online Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:01:15 -0700 Message-Id: <20040921050115.M46472@stickist.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.81 20021203 X-OriginatingIP: 142.59.142.0 (swirlee@www.stickist.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1jmzQ.A.LiC.dW7TBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com September 20, 2004 Good news! ... Out of my little joy hole plopped another full length CD packed with inspired improvisations, this time with queer themes. Many hours of improvisation and refining of the FreeWheeling process have resulted in this little egg. I now have a web host for all my music, so you can check this new music out along with three older CDs of FreeWheeling improv. Audio link is at: http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html#news My work has been going deeper into my voice, trying to create an honesty there-- nurturing truth medicine to address this challenging world. I really believe in the power of truth. I have chosen it. In this role, I see myself beginning to facilitate group trance circles with healing intention. I know the power music has to catalyze and transform, and I wish to use the receptivity of improvisation to channel beneficial forces in real life situations. This is community work. But flying solo, like I do on the new CD, is an important part of the whole balance. It's where I learn to hear God. And, by listening, you become a part of the vibration. So I welcome your feedback. In software news, FreeWheeling continues to evolve towards a release point. I am moving to test it on more systems and interfaces. Work is progressing on a flexible configuration system that allows users to configure in detail the way that MIDI devices and other inputs control the software. The glove fits my hand, but perhaps you'd like to use your foot, you know? Thank You All for your input in the polls and your lively discussions in the chat rooms. They have helped me see that Open Source is (probably) the way to go, with an initial release to the Linux community. I will make an announcement on the list when a release is made. Blessings to you.... -Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 04:24:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8L8Lgu16069; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:21:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <005b01c49fb2$ef483b60$d7a1fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040921050115.M46472@stickist.com> Subject: Re: Improvised queer themed music & spoken word online Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:04:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This topic immediately made me think of Coil and Thighpaulsandra... Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yon Mercury" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Improvised queer themed music & spoken word online > September 20, 2004 > > Good news! ... Out of my little joy hole plopped another full length CD packed > with inspired improvisations, this time with queer themes. Many hours of > improvisation and refining of the FreeWheeling process have resulted in this > little egg. I now have a web host for all my music, so you can check this new > music out along with three older CDs of FreeWheeling improv. > > Audio link is at: > http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html#news > > My work has been going deeper into my voice, trying to create an honesty > there-- nurturing truth medicine to address this challenging world. I really > believe in the power of truth. I have chosen it. In this role, I see myself > beginning to facilitate group trance circles with healing intention. I know > the power music has to catalyze and transform, and I wish to use the > receptivity of improvisation to channel beneficial forces in real life situations. > > This is community work. But flying solo, like I do on the new CD, is an > important part of the whole balance. It's where I learn to hear God. And, by > listening, you become a part of the vibration. So I welcome your feedback. > > In software news, FreeWheeling continues to evolve towards a release point. I > am moving to test it on more systems and interfaces. Work is progressing on a > flexible configuration system that allows users to configure in detail the way > that MIDI devices and other inputs control the software. The glove fits my > hand, but perhaps you'd like to use your foot, you know? > > Thank You All for your input in the polls and your lively discussions in the > chat rooms. They have helped me see that Open Source is (probably) the way to > go, with an initial release to the Linux community. I will make an > announcement on the list when a release is made. > > Blessings to you.... -Mercury > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 04:35:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8L8SpF17587; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040921050115.M46472@stickist.com> References: <20040921050115.M46472@stickist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B59958C-0BA8-11D9-8E54-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Improvised queer themed music & spoken word online Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:28:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 21, 2004, at 7:01, Yon Mercury wrote: > Audio link is at: > http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html#news Thanks for making such great music ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 08:45:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LCc4Z17744; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:36:20 -0400 Subject: New Directions in Static CD release From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3178600581_8993119" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3178600581_8993119 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I am pleased as punch to announce the commercial release of the ghost7 CD New Directions in Static. New Directions in Static is a full-length CD of improvised compositions played on 4-string bass guitar and recorded straight to 2-track, using a DL-4, an EDP, and various gadgets to loop, layer and make sonic taffy. No overdubs, no computers (aside from mastering on a digital audio workstation and doing the graphic design). New Directions in Static is now available at: http://cdbaby.com/ghost7 . . . Twisted Village Records, Cambridge= , MA . . . Newbury Comix, selected Boston area locations. I very much welcome feedback, comments, hate mail . . . ----- I am also really excited to announce that I=B9ll be performing at Y2K4, with my lovely accomplice Theresa adding spoken word/vocal elements. I look forward to meeting many of you at the festival. Dan --=20 ghost7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com --B_3178600581_8993119 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable New Directions in Static CD release Hi All,

I am pleased as punch to announce the commercial release of the ghost7 CD N= ew Directions in Static.

New Directions in Static is a full-length CD of improvised compositions pla= yed on 4-string bass guitar and recorded straight to 2-track, using a DL-4, = an EDP, and various gadgets to loop, layer and make sonic taffy. No overdubs= , no computers (aside from mastering on a digital audio workstation and doin= g the graphic design).


New Directions in Static is now available at:

http://cdbaby.com/ghost7     . . .    &n= bsp;  Twisted Village Records, Cambridge, MA    . .= .       Newbury Comix, selected Boston area l= ocations.

I very much welcome feedback, comments, hate mail . . .

-----

I am also really excited to announce that I’ll be performing at Y2K4,= with my lovely accomplice Theresa adding spoken word/vocal elements.

I look forward to meeting many of you at the festival.



Dan


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http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7

d.ans@rcn.com



 --B_3178600581_8993119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 10:01:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LDwTQ31024; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.45.6] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Akai MPC1000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:56:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2004 13:56:25.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[C92AD7F0:01C49FE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The more I think about using drum machine software and an Akai MPD16 drum pad to emulate an MPC1000 or 2000, the more I think, heck with, I'll go sell a kidney or something and just buy an MPC1000! That thing has seriously gotten me drooling. Anybody seen any particularly cheap prices on it? Ordering off the web, looks like you can get it for around $850-900. I've seen some used ones go cheaper on eBay. If anybody has any leads let me know! Thanks, jj _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 10:09:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LDpT029807; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:51:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:51:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002101c49f84$8f7622c0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Thread-Index: AcSfhOzETgVJ5r3gS8qel2Eox9QrEwAXJjDA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool love it the combo of an RC with an EDP sounds like a good idea can the RC receive MIDI tempo from an EDP? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > Nice! The brushes sound very natural. Thanks, that's the Erskine 3/4 brush loop being very substantially sped up by the tap tempo function on the RC-20, and it doesn't sound all weird like almost everything ELSE does when you speed it up with the tap tempo function on the RC-20... > What sort of guitar are using? That's just the solidbody Ibanez Artist AR-250 shown on the page with the Copeland hex pickup. I played that one all with my thumb, which probably contributes to the "Wes-ness" quite a bit. The "Fenderizer" pedal makes it sound bright like a Fender amp. The Copeland Pickup is very bright sounding anyway, and also has a lot less sustain than a regular pickup (much smaller magnets and coils), so that's probably also making it sound more like a jazz-box. > It sounds very hollow. I better get off my butt this week and make a few > sample clips. I'm just doing guitar comping and then heads and solos > for now...that's more natural for me, sort of like the Jim Hall/Pat > Metheny duo sound. > > Kris Cool, I look forward to hearing them. I have a rehearsal and a gig later in the week, but I hope I'll have time to make a few more recordings. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 10:14:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LEAe101211; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:10:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:10:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:14:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping > Very cool love it the combo of an RC with an EDP sounds like a good idea can > the RC receive MIDI tempo from an EDP? Thanks. Nope, the RC-20 has no MIDI of any kind, unfortunately. I've read on the newsgroups that John Scofield uses an RC-20/EDP combo like this. This morning I posted a better take of "West Coast Blues" and one of "The Girl From Ipanema", which illustrates the guitar/bass split using the hex pickup: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 11:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LF3ht08359; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Jair-Rohm - Exquisite Noise Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:01:40 -0600 Message-ID: <010701c49feb$e8c51ea0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0108_01C49FB9.9E2AAEA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <4T3DuD.A.a9B.bJEUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01C49FB9.9E2AAEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jair-Rohm - I bought and listened to your CD, "Exquisite Noise". Well done..and way out there, just like I like it. There's nothing pretty and candle-appled about this production. It cuts to the bone.very unique re-architecting of the bass guitar. BTW, if they ever remake the movie, "Altered States" your CD should be the sound-track. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw I'll write a review for you on CD Baby this evening. Cheers, Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01C49FB9.9E2AAEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jair-Rohm - Exquisite Noise

Jair-Rohm  -

I bought and listened to your CD, = "Exquisite Noise".  Well done….and way out there, = just like I like it. There's nothing pretty and candle-appled about this = production. It cuts to the bone…very unique re-architecting of the = bass guitar.

BTW, if they ever remake the movie, = "Altered States" your CD should be the sound-track.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw  I'll write a review for you on CD Baby = this evening.

Cheers,

Kris


*********************************
Kris Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com


------=_NextPart_000_0108_01C49FB9.9E2AAEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 11:22:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LFJ3c10956; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040921151025.33915.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Akai MPC1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jj, Great baby i got mine for 750.00dlls at ebay and try to get it with the expansion u wont regret it! Luis --- jj 179 wrote: > The more I think about using drum machine software > and an Akai MPD16 drum > pad to emulate an MPC1000 or 2000, the more I think, > heck with, I'll go sell > a kidney or something and just buy an MPC1000! That > thing has seriously > gotten me drooling. > > Anybody seen any particularly cheap prices on it? > Ordering off the web, > looks like you can get it for around $850-900. I've > seen some used ones go > cheaper on eBay. > > If anybody has any leads let me know! > > Thanks, > jj > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events > for advice on how to > get there! > http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 11:54:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LFkl715894; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <010701c49feb$e8c51ea0$6a01a8c0@khartung> References: <010701c49feb$e8c51ea0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4704981B-0BE5-11D9-9A90-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Numerology live-looping set-up (OS X) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:45:35 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks! I just thought I should post a short note on the new "live audio input" functionality that came to OS X application Numerology with the latest version 1.4. This means you can now use Numerology as the host application for AU looping plug-ins. I spent one day to try it out and liked it very much. On 56 percent CPU usage on a 1,25 MHz powerbook I had three instances of Augustus Loop going. Except for these three audio channels I had three more: the audio live input, an iDrum and a channel for Apple's Matrix reverb. All six audio channels had a compressor to refine the sound (Neodynium). This "laptop only" set-up can create a lot of noise, three loopers that can overdub an infinite number of layers and be tweaked in real-time by reversing, re-pitching, time-streching etc. I patched up WireTap and recorded the first time I patched a guitar into the powerbook. Not to be regard "a piece of musical work", just a little clip to show a type of sounds that are available with this very simple software set-up: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Numerology_Augustus_Looping.mp3 All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 13:02:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LGxrn27372; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: FA: Drum Kat DK10 - $150 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Drum Kat midi percussion pad unit with PS, and foot pedal up for auction with a Starting bid of $150 and Buy-it-now at $165. Full description of item etc. at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3750111287 OB analog: I actually *Did* use this to trigger a Fenix modular (as well as a Korg XD-5 :) ) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 14:32:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LIS1J09693; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:47:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Thread-Index: AcSgC3WTCpKYFAusEdmU+wBgl3jDlQ== From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8LIQTa09152 Resent-Message-ID: <1O7jvB.A.RPC.WJHUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well change that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, they are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 14:32:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LIToB10296; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040921182928.58840.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915105143.09c7fd98@gemini.lunarpages.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 09:29 AM 9/15/2004, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > >I've started wearing special Echoplex Shoes (TM)! > ;-) > >My pedal only sees those or bare feet... Nike Free 5.0 (and the Trainer) version is supposed to replicate the barefoot experience as well, though at a higher price than most wrestling shoes. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 14:42:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LIelg12955; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:40:03 -0600 Message-Id: <200409211840.i8LIe3p24184@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Stage shoes (was RE: EDP pedals) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.28.199 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > At 09:29 AM 9/15/2004, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > >I've started wearing special Echoplex Shoes (TM)! > > ;-) > > >My pedal only sees those or bare feet... > > Nike Free 5.0 (and the Trainer) version is supposed to > replicate the barefoot experience as well, though at a > higher price than most wrestling shoes. I think those 'ninja' shoes could work as well. They're basically the same as those chinese slippers that cost a couple of dollars only the big toe gets a separate part of the shoe. I guess their called tabi boots. At about $30 they may be one of the cheaper options. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:09:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LIufM17222; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:55:58 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c4a00c$a3180a90$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no idea why Gibson has made this price increase and I will look into it. We are selling EDPs to them for the same price agreed nearly 2 years ago. No EDPs have been made for over a year due to the lack of payment to us from Gibson but a deal has been struck, (i.e. you pay up, we send EDPs), and the remainder of our stock is now moving. For any future production however, it's not about the technology getting cheaper; the technology used in the EDP is from the 90s and the parts are all going up in value. Many parts are not manufactured anymore but there is plenty of 'new old stock' which unscrupulous distributors make us pay through the nose for; $20 for the Crystal CODEC is a good example! As for memory, it hasn't been manufactured for years and is impossible to find in production quantities. I had the last 4MB SIMMs especially manufactured in the US and we bought 2500 pieces to get a price of $3 each. That's $12 a set at prime. None of this should have a bearing on any current stock though for the reasons mentioned previously. I couldn't possibly comment on any other reason why they might want more of everyone's hard-earned cash but those who know of the guy in charge can draw their own conclusions :) Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager. (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 19:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well change that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, they are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJ1TA18688; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:01:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:01:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1095793244.41507a5c1e51d@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:00:44 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 > in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could > this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I think they did this many months ago after they finally shipped some of the units. It looks like the list price only went up by about $50 ( from $1249 to $1300 ) but the sale price at Musician's Friend went up by $150. They probably realized that there was a limited supply of these things after the last fiasco. It seems fairly obvious to me that once the last batch of Echoplexes are shipped, that they will not pay for any more. They just don't seem to care about them. I fear this could be the end of the Echoplex unless some other distributor with some sense of ethics takes over. I'll never run out of bad things to say about Gibson for the way they've handled this thing. Then, they have the nerve to send me a promo brochure with my Musician's Friend catalog pimping their guitars. The whole brochure was all about image. They even had this on one of the photos: There's something special about a guitarist. I'm a guitarist. You do the math. Gag me with a spoon! I'm still nauseated by that and the whole Gibson/Echoplex fiasco. Thankfully, I got both my Echoplexes while the price was still down. Hopefully, an alternative will be available in the years to come. Perhaps, a software solution. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:19:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJHrD23274; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409211917.i8LJH4a22999@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002701c4a00c$a3180a90$0a00000a@p4> Thread-Index: AcSgDi20vLwPIE5WQYSjfClV5fNSBgAATCeQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like the EDP needs a new hardware platform I love the programming underlying the EDP but, time is marching on for the hardware. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I have no idea why Gibson has made this price increase and I will look into it. We are selling EDPs to them for the same price agreed nearly 2 years ago. No EDPs have been made for over a year due to the lack of payment to us from Gibson but a deal has been struck, (i.e. you pay up, we send EDPs), and the remainder of our stock is now moving. For any future production however, it's not about the technology getting cheaper; the technology used in the EDP is from the 90s and the parts are all going up in value. Many parts are not manufactured anymore but there is plenty of 'new old stock' which unscrupulous distributors make us pay through the nose for; $20 for the Crystal CODEC is a good example! As for memory, it hasn't been manufactured for years and is impossible to find in production quantities. I had the last 4MB SIMMs especially manufactured in the US and we bought 2500 pieces to get a price of $3 each. That's $12 a set at prime. None of this should have a bearing on any current stock though for the reasons mentioned previously. I couldn't possibly comment on any other reason why they might want more of everyone's hard-earned cash but those who know of the guy in charge can draw their own conclusions :) Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager. (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 19:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well change that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, they are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:23:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJ6Bo20229; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1095793557.41507b9529fb4@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:05:57 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price References: <002701c4a00c$a3180a90$0a00000a@p4> In-Reply-To: <002701c4a00c$a3180a90$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy Ewen, > EDP Production Manager. > (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) Well, I just want to express my gratitude for all you have done to make this product available and my sympathy for having to deal with all you have had to deal with in getting this product out. I couldn't live without my Echoplexes and I haven't found anything that comes close to replacing them for how I use them. Thanks, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJdPl28246; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:38:37 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <200409211917.i8LJH4a22999@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2crNnB.A.zvG.6MIUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, check the LD archive for much discussion on new hardware. It can all be summed in: 'if someone wants to fund it, we'll build it' -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 20:17 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Sounds like the EDP needs a new hardware platform I love the programming underlying the EDP but, time is marching on for the hardware. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I have no idea why Gibson has made this price increase and I will look into it. We are selling EDPs to them for the same price agreed nearly 2 years ago. No EDPs have been made for over a year due to the lack of payment to us from Gibson but a deal has been struck, (i.e. you pay up, we send EDPs), and the remainder of our stock is now moving. For any future production however, it's not about the technology getting cheaper; the technology used in the EDP is from the 90s and the parts are all going up in value. Many parts are not manufactured anymore but there is plenty of 'new old stock' which unscrupulous distributors make us pay through the nose for; $20 for the Crystal CODEC is a good example! As for memory, it hasn't been manufactured for years and is impossible to find in production quantities. I had the last 4MB SIMMs especially manufactured in the US and we bought 2500 pieces to get a price of $3 each. That's $12 a set at prime. None of this should have a bearing on any current stock though for the reasons mentioned previously. I couldn't possibly comment on any other reason why they might want more of everyone's hard-earned cash but those who know of the guy in charge can draw their own conclusions :) Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager. (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 19:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well change that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, they are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:43:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJeZ828599; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:40:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c4a012$d6bcf620$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <1095793557.41507b9529fb4@webmail.unpronounceable.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, but I can only take a small part of the credit. -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 20:06 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price > Andy Ewen, > EDP Production Manager. > (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) Well, I just want to express my gratitude for all you have done to make this product available and my sympathy for having to deal with all you have had to deal with in getting this product out. I couldn't live without my Echoplexes and I haven't found anything that comes close to replacing them for how I use them. Thanks, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:50:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJmgW30580; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41508580.5070702@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:48:16 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FA: Drum Kat DK10 - $150 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just bought it with Buy it Now Thanks for announcing this here. I was looking for one of these. Neil Legion wrote: >I have a Drum Kat midi percussion pad unit with PS, and foot pedal up for >auction with a Starting bid of $150 and Buy-it-now at $165. Full >description of item etc. at: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3750111287 > >OB analog: I actually *Did* use this to trigger a Fenix modular (as well >as a Korg XD-5 :) ) > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:57:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJoVB31367; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409211949.i8LJnaa30772@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:49:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> Thread-Index: AcSgEsNRMwT0IEt0QJ+9T7JrKjlR7wAAOOZg Resent-Message-ID: <0SADQC.A.GhH.QXIUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep read em all (got a huge offline archive from this list ;D ) over the last (nearly) two years I'm glad I bought my last of the Beige Faces when I did it works well. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Yes, check the LD archive for much discussion on new hardware. It can all be summed in: 'if someone wants to fund it, we'll build it' -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 20:17 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Sounds like the EDP needs a new hardware platform I love the programming underlying the EDP but, time is marching on for the hardware. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I have no idea why Gibson has made this price increase and I will look into it. We are selling EDPs to them for the same price agreed nearly 2 years ago. No EDPs have been made for over a year due to the lack of payment to us from Gibson but a deal has been struck, (i.e. you pay up, we send EDPs), and the remainder of our stock is now moving. For any future production however, it's not about the technology getting cheaper; the technology used in the EDP is from the 90s and the parts are all going up in value. Many parts are not manufactured anymore but there is plenty of 'new old stock' which unscrupulous distributors make us pay through the nose for; $20 for the Crystal CODEC is a good example! As for memory, it hasn't been manufactured for years and is impossible to find in production quantities. I had the last 4MB SIMMs especially manufactured in the US and we bought 2500 pieces to get a price of $3 each. That's $12 a set at prime. None of this should have a bearing on any current stock though for the reasons mentioned previously. I couldn't possibly comment on any other reason why they might want more of everyone's hard-earned cash but those who know of the guy in charge can draw their own conclusions :) Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager. (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 19:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well change that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, they are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 16:01:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LJxAq01057; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:59:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <415087B4.9080304@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:57:40 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price (development costs) References: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> In-Reply-To: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b3d76bfd7af69169758061271efcb611350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.161.232.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know a millionaire who is a patron of the arts. Just for shits and giggles, let's speculate how much money would it cost to fund the development of a new EDP hardware platform. Parameters: Let's say it remains a single rack space device with LoopIV functionality, but becomes stereo in and stereo out, since I think that is the #1 woulda been coulda been for the Echoplex. Beyond that, just update all the components inside to parts that are still being produced today. Any guesses? $500,000? $1,000,000? $2,000,000? -J Andy wrote: >Yes, check the LD archive for much discussion on new hardware. >It can all be summed in: 'if someone wants to fund it, we'll build it' > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] >Sent: 21 September 2004 20:17 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price > >Sounds like the EDP needs a new hardware platform I love the programming >underlying the EDP but, time is marching on for the hardware. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:56 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price > >I have no idea why Gibson has made this price increase and I will look >into >it. We are selling EDPs to them for the same price agreed nearly 2 years >ago. No EDPs have been made for over a year due to the lack of payment >to us >from Gibson but a deal has been struck, (i.e. you pay up, we send EDPs), >and >the remainder of our stock is now moving. > >For any future production however, it's not about the technology getting >cheaper; the technology used in the EDP is from the 90s and the parts >are >all going up in value. Many parts are not manufactured anymore but there >is >plenty of 'new old stock' which unscrupulous distributors make us pay >through the nose for; $20 for the Crystal CODEC is a good example! As >for >memory, it hasn't been manufactured for years and is impossible to find >in >production quantities. I had the last 4MB SIMMs especially manufactured >in >the US and we bought 2500 pieces to get a price of $3 each. That's $12 a >set >at prime. >None of this should have a bearing on any current stock though for the >reasons mentioned previously. > >I couldn't possibly comment on any other reason why they might want more >of >everyone's hard-earned cash but those who know of the guy in charge can >draw >their own conclusions :) > >Andy Ewen, >EDP Production Manager. >(It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] >Sent: 21 September 2004 19:48 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price > >I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price >$150 >in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how >could >this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? > >I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well >change >that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, >they >are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. > >Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 16:51:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LKmAj13041; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FA: Drum Kat DK10 - $150 In-Reply-To: <41508580.5070702@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Neil! What is your address? I'll box it up and get an estimate for you this week ASAP. Also will you be paying with Paypal or USPS MO? Good luck with it. I really love the feel but just decided to let it go because I couldn't figure out the other pad problem. Worst case scenario you've got the six going hopefully the rest as well! On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Neil Goldstein wrote: > I just bought it with Buy it Now > > Thanks for announcing this here. I was looking for one of these. > > Neil > > > Legion wrote: > > >I have a Drum Kat midi percussion pad unit with PS, and foot pedal up for > >auction with a Starting bid of $150 and Buy-it-now at $165. Full > >description of item etc. at: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3750111287 > > > >OB analog: I actually *Did* use this to trigger a Fenix modular (as well > >as a Korg XD-5 :) ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 17:21:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LLDmn17937; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FA: Drum Kat DK10 - $150 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4TZywB.A.wRE.ikJUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com duh Sorry about that public post! My bad Just look at it like a loop. loop loop... -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 17:44:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LLhpj23262; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f04092114431808875c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:43:05 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price In-Reply-To: <200409211949.i8LJnaa30772@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> <200409211949.i8LJnaa30772@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - $699 for the beige and food pedal. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:49:35 -0400, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Yep read em all (got a huge offline archive from this list ;D ) over the > last (nearly) two years I'm glad I bought my last of the Beige Faces when I > did it works well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 18:14:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LMBOL29610; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <176C3777-0C1B-11D9-BE62-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 21, 2004, at 1:47 PM, Brian wrote: > Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? gawd stop bitching don't you understand economics? that was sarcasm. please laugh. actually i'm not surprised at all. i expected it. these assholes created an artificial dearth of new units by stiffing the manufacturer, then raise their prices when they see people foaming at the bit to have their pre-paid pre-ordered one-year-in-advance EDPs delivered. would you expect any less from the company which sued Lynx Crowe? or bought Opcode merely to dismantle them? or keeps trying to market their ridiculous "revolutionary" digital connectivity system? personally i'm shocked that Andy and Matthias have the balls to talk about any of these issues in public with the track record of litigational and marketing terrorism Gibson has. man, i shouldn't even post this. i fully expect Henry to be on the phone with the STG any minute to discuss these slanderous allegations. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 18:32:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8LMUMs32510; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4704981B-0BE5-11D9-9A90-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <010701c49feb$e8c51ea0$6a01a8c0@khartung> <4704981B-0BE5-11D9-9A90-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: My new CD - "Organisational Culture Loops" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:29:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Finally we sent the master to the plant. Luckily already more than 500 copies sold on pre ordering. A bit of a kick start :-D I put some audio clips up at http://www.looproom.com/. Quote from the press release: "Collaboration with Brittish speaker David Cowley. Initiated by Noden, acting as the curator. Crossover electronica with live-looping of sax, guitar, animated spoken word." I had some sessions with a percussionist and we looped some unusual instruments. He played a Vichy Novaux family size bottle (empty) to sound like tablas, and we recorded and looped the paper box my powerbook came in. When shaked forcefully it sounded like thunder, if pitched down two octaves. All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 22:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M23Gn30314; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:03:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4150DD40.2030602@iinet.net.au> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:02:40 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP hardware References: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> In-Reply-To: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Andy, Kim, Mathias et al Just wondering from this recent thread about what sort of hardware platforms are suitable for an EDP revision. It seems running say, an embedded RTlinux or one of the low latency linux kernels on an x86 hardware platform can achieve hardware type latencies. Have you considered developing loopV for a pre-specified x86 hardware setup? For instance, the via eden series of motherboards can easily be made to fit into a 1u rack box, and they already have sp/dif out (plus, they can run fanless and hence silent). I know I'm simplifying things, but it wouldn't be impossible to have one of these boards, with a silent DC-DC power supply, an extra ADA stage for better converters than are on the stock board, plus a linux install on a compact flash media, running silently with latencies similar to current hardware. Even if only for prototyping, this would reduce costs associated with hardware development considerably surely? It also broadens future possibilties for evolving Loop into areas not possible on a dedicated DSP platform, such as multichannel looping. How about a 12 node cluster of nano-itx boards (http://www.viaembedded.com/product/epia_N_spec.jsp?motherboardId=221) serving up 24 channels of edp madness? ok, so i'm getting carried away, but you see where I'm coming from. I'm not a developer, but I have worked in an audio R&D company, so I can't be completely misinformed about this surely? any thoughts? cheers Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 23:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M3O1a10199; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c4a054$127570c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <002a01c4a012$9856d720$0a00000a@p4> <4150DD40.2030602@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: EDP hardware Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:27:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.197.203] at Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:22:34 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike - I think you're coming form a very cool place! :-) From: "mjnoble" snip > How about a 12 node cluster of nano-itx boards > (http://www.viaembedded.com/product/epia_N_spec.jsp?motherboardId=221) > serving up 24 channels of edp madness? ok, so i'm getting carried away, > but you see where I'm coming from. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 00:54:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M4oxr22706; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0c0c040e0e030e000f0f090e0e040c06 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: Subject: Kid Beyond in NYC this week Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:49:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSgX5LuE5gFria3Sz+wLfL02RckjQ== Message-Id: <20040922041840.E31DD290438@new.knowspam.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, fellow loopers -- Kid Beyond here. I'm heading to New York this week to do a bunch of shows. It's all live-looping of voice (singing, throat singing, beatboxing, vocal turntablism, vocal guitarsviolinsharmonicas, and so on), using Ableton Live and my trusty Ground Control Pro. The NYC shows this week: - Wed, 9/22: Alex Grey grand opening - Thu, 9/23: Bowery Poetry Club -- Urbana Slam - Fri, 9/24: Nuyorican Poets Cafe - Sat, 9/25: Bowery Poetry Club -- Vocal Wars - Sun, 9/26: Houseman Thtr -- w/Toxic Audio (unconfirmed) =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= WED 9/22: ALEX GREY GRAND OPENING =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= WED, SEP 22 -- 7pm-2am ALEX GREY'S CHAPEL OF SACRED MIRRORS GRAND OPENING 540 W. 27th St., NY NY The visionary, inspirational, psychedelic- anatomic-mystical art of Alex Grey is known the world over. I've loved Alex's work for years. Alex's latest project, the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, is a sanctuary in New York City for contemplation and a center for events encouraging the creative spirit. CoSM's grand opening will be an evening of music, poetry and dance. I'm honored to have been invited to perform. On the bill: Himalayan Voices, kirtan singer Marie-Elizabeth Mundheim, electric violinist Kenji Williams, and much more. I'll be doing "I Shall Be Free," and some beatbox kirtan with Marie-Elizabeth. All ages. $25. http://www.cosmnyc.com http://www.alexgrey.com =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= THU 9/23: BOWERY POETRY CLUB =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= THU, SEP 23 -- 7-10pm (me at 8) URBANA POETRY SLAM BOWERY POETRY CLUB 308 Bowery (at Bleecker), NY NY (212) 614-0505 Urbana is New York's most successful poetry slam, featuring nationally-known poets such as Sage Francis, Beau Sia, Taylor Mali, Talaam Acey and many more. I am the featured musical guest. I'll be doing a 25-minute live-looping set. All ages. $5. http://www.bowerypoetry.com/urbana =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= FRI 9/24: NUYORICAN POETS CAFE =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= FRI, SEP 24 -- 10pm (me at 10:30) NUYORICAN POETS CAFE 236 E. 3rd St. (at Ave. B), NY NY (212) 505-8183 For over 30 years, the Nuyorican Poets Cafe has been nurturing spoken word, theater, poetry, slam, hip hop, live music, and film in NYC's Lower East Side. Their Friday night slams are legendary. I am the featured musical guest. I'll be doing a 25-minute live-looping set. All ages. $7. http://www.nuyorican.org =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= SAT 9/25: BOWERY POETRY CLUB =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= SAT, SEP 25 -- 10pm-12 VOCAL WARS BOWERY POETRY CLUB 308 Bowery (at Bleecker), NY NY (212) 614-0505 Kid Lucky's Beatboxer Entertainment presents a battle you've never seen before: MC+Beatboxer vs. MC+Beatboxer. Teams of two goin' at it for a $300 prize. 9 teams enter, one emerges victorious. I am a featured musical guest: I'll be doing a 15-minute live-looping set. (And if they need more beatboxers, I might be in the battle too.) All ages. $10. http://www.bowerypoetry.com http://www.beatboxing.com/V2004/home/BBE_Events.asp =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= SUN 9/26: HOUSEMAN THTR w/TOXIC AUDIO =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= SUN, SEP 26 -- 7pm (me at 8:45) TOXIC AUDIO'S LOUDMOUTH JOHN HOUSEMAN THEATER 450 W. 42nd St. (bt 9th & 10th), NY NY (212) 239-5258 Note: My appearance at this show is NOT YET CONFIRMED. Check kidbeyond.com by Wednesday for more info. There's a fantastic a cappella group called Toxic Audio who have an off-Broadway show called Loudmouth. The show is awesome mix of music and comedy: really tight, fun covers with a full, powerful sound (including great beatboxing), and witty, slapstick, non-cheesy comedy. Toxic's show lasts for about 90 minutes, then after a 15-minute intermission, I'll be doing a 40-minute set of beatboxing and live-looping. http://www.toxicaudio.com =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= Peace, Kid Beyond email@kidbeyond.com | andrew@biggerbread.com http://kidbeyond.com | http://biggerbread.com =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= =-= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 01:11:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M58eS26595; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c4a062$6c0ac1e0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: I'm feeling kinda Loopy.... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:10:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4A027.BF8A5820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75-1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4A027.BF8A5820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, after years of being interested in looping, last night I went = ahead and bought a Boomerang+ (the current model). I've been having a = blast with it so far, tackling simple tunes like Moondance and trying to = get a feel for it. I know it's no Echoplex, but it's keeping me plenty = busy! My goal is to do solo bass shows, or maybe play some guitar too if I = get a Y box setup together. I can tell it will take a lot of practice = to get this whole looping thing really figured out, but it looks like a = very fun adventure. I don't know much about feedback, except that the manual says there = are a lot of settings for it. Does feedback just reduce the volume of = the first loop as you layer more on top of it? Any recommendations for = where to set it? Also, is there any trick for adjusting volume levels for layers on = top of a groove? Do you turn your volume up for the foundation, then = bring the instrument level back down to do the "background" stuff on top = of it? Lastly, there's a lot of hiss, is there some trick to cut all that = noise down? Thanks! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4A027.BF8A5820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Well, after years of = being=20 interested in looping, last night I went ahead and bought a Boomerang+ = (the=20 current model).  I've been having a blast with it so far, tackling = simple=20 tunes like Moondance and trying to get a feel for it.  I know it's = no=20 Echoplex, but it's keeping me plenty busy!
    My goal is to do = solo bass=20 shows, or maybe play some guitar too if I get a Y box setup = together.  I=20 can tell it will take a lot of practice to get this whole looping thing = really=20 figured out, but it looks like a very fun adventure.
    I don't know much = about=20 feedback, except that the manual says there are a lot of settings for = it. =20 Does feedback just reduce the volume of the first loop as you layer more = on top=20 of it?  Any recommendations for where to set it?
    Also, is there any = trick for=20 adjusting volume levels for layers on top of a groove?  Do you turn = your=20 volume up for the foundation, then bring the instrument level back down = to do=20 the "background" stuff on top of it?
    Lastly, there's a = lot of hiss,=20 is there some trick to cut all that noise down?
    Thanks!
    = -Jonathan
    http://www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4A027.BF8A5820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 02:16:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M6E5Q03883; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:13:50 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49369F60@EMAIL.gibson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Thread-Index: AcSgDO7Mvu1/vu0zSJyaQCNWXyvnbAAWyTAQ From: "Kevin Van Pamel" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8M6DYa03811 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello All, I'm not sure where this faulty information regarding a price increase is coming from but we haven't increased the price since the EDPP (Digital Pro Plus) was introduced as far as I can recall. Some of you know my History with Gibson and I won't bore the rest of you with the details but I've been with the Echoplex for some time and am very close to it. Had a price increase occurred, I would have utilized the list to inform you myself. As Andy has pointed out, Straight Edge has been very kind in working with Gibson since my return and continues to provide a very high quality product to us regardless of the difficulties. They are owed much credit in the continuance of the EDPP. As Andy has also touched on, we are coming to the end of the production run from the latest order between Gibson and Straight Edge. At this time, we're working to overcome the exchange rate on what will hopefully be the next supply of them. As you are likely aware the pound and the dollar have been moving in opposite directions. Both sides are actively working to keep the EDPP flowing smoothly. It is likely that we will run short again soon but I'm working hard to avoid a large gap in delivery. As a few of you have pointed out, the EDPP is in need of a hardware upgrade and balancing the end of life cycle of one version while we move to another is a challenge. Regardless of the varying opinions on Gibson as a company or on its ownership, there are many of us here who are passionate about the EDPP and appreciative of the passion loopers have for it as a tool for musical expression. While I can't answer all of my emails quickly, I still welcome your input on the EDPP, its future direction, desired features and formats and anything relevant that you'd like to share. I hope this is helpful. Best Regards, Kevin Van Pamel -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I have no idea why Gibson has made this price increase and I will look into it. We are selling EDPs to them for the same price agreed nearly 2 years ago. No EDPs have been made for over a year due to the lack of payment to us from Gibson but a deal has been struck, (i.e. you pay up, we send EDPs), and the remainder of our stock is now moving. For any future production however, it's not about the technology getting cheaper; the technology used in the EDP is from the 90s and the parts are all going up in value. Many parts are not manufactured anymore but there is plenty of 'new old stock' which unscrupulous distributors make us pay through the nose for; $20 for the Crystal CODEC is a good example! As for memory, it hasn't been manufactured for years and is impossible to find in production quantities. I had the last 4MB SIMMs especially manufactured in the US and we bought 2500 pieces to get a price of $3 each. That's $12 a set at prime. None of this should have a bearing on any current stock though for the reasons mentioned previously. I couldn't possibly comment on any other reason why they might want more of everyone's hard-earned cash but those who know of the guy in charge can draw their own conclusions :) Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager. (It's lucky that's not my only job or I'd have starved a long time ago) -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 19:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price I was just about to get an Echoplex but then Gibson jacks up the price $150 in a period of two months!! This technology is getting cheaper, how could this happen? Has anyone else noticed this outrage? I've been a loyal Gibson customer for years, but this may very well change that. If they updated the memory again, I could understand, but no, they are still using memory that can be purchased for a couple of dollars. Anyone know where to get a new echoplex for a decent price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 03:35:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M7XJJ16119; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: My new CD - "Organisational Culture Loops" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:35:11 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations, Per! Can't wait to get my copy! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. September 2004 00:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: My new CD - "Organisational Culture Loops" > > > Finally we sent the master to the plant. Luckily already more than 500 > copies sold on pre ordering. A bit of a kick start :-D > > I put some audio clips up at http://www.looproom.com/. > > Quote from the press release: > "Collaboration with Brittish speaker David Cowley. Initiated by Noden, > acting as the curator. Crossover electronica with live-looping of sax, > guitar, animated spoken word." > > I had some sessions with a percussionist and we looped some unusual > instruments. He played a Vichy Novaux family size bottle (empty) to > sound like tablas, and we recorded and looped the paper box my > powerbook came in. When shaked forcefully it sounded like thunder, if > pitched down two octaves. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 04:49:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8M8lVg28044; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:51:10 +0200 Subject: Re: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3178695071_92710_MIME_Part" X-ID: r9XN+cZb8eC9OxeWuvim0v0-C2p4vBgCQIZvfpRZ71uV1dqaJ2oxEL X-TOI-MSGID: 19e00cd0-fbc4-4b65-85ed-27ce46709e49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3178695071_92710_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit David Grossman wrote: Well, I just want to express my gratitude for all you have done to make this product available and my sympathy for having to deal with all you have had to deal with in getting this product out. I couldn't live without my Echoplexes and I haven't found anything that comes close to replacing them for how I use them. *********** I'll second that. The EDP with Loop IV is a phantastic musical instrument! Thank you guys! Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3178695071_92710_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price David Grossman wrote:

Well, I just want to express my gratitude for all you have done to make thi= s
product available and my sympathy for having to deal with all you have had = to
deal with in getting this product out. I couldn't live without my Echoplexe= s
and I haven't found anything that comes close to replacing them for how I u= se
them.

***********
I'll second that. The EDP with Loop IV is a phantastic musical instrument!<= BR>
Thank you guys!

Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3178695071_92710_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 06:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MAnwP12155; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:49:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:49:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.224.191.91] X-Originating-Email: [brunkhorstk@hotmail.com] X-Sender: brunkhorstk@hotmail.com From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: References: <001801c49ea9$86285bb0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:48:50 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A078.99C71FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2004 10:49:00.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4F8FA90:01C4A091] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A078.99C71FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for LoopingI guess I don't = consider myself a looping musician that plays jazz, but a jazz msucian = that uses loops. Here in Atlantic Canada, there just ain't much of anything, and I guess = that's working to my advantage, because people don't care whether it's = jazz or if I'm using a looper or whatever. I played a jazz gig in = Halifax Monday night, with my boss (a trombonist) as the leader. He = insisted that I bring all of the gadgets - he wants every possible noise = I can make. I'm lucky. But people dug what we did, even if it was only = 50 of them. I firmly believe that some people will 'get it' if they are exposed to = beauty, whether they know anything about it, or wanted to, or not. And = some people won't 'get it' no matter what you do. For me, it follows = that one should be honest about it, and do what one must. Kevin Brunkhorst St. F. X. University Antigonish, Nova Scotia http://www.kevinbrunkhorst.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for Looping Now that summer is drawing to an end here in Boise, Idaho, USA, some = of my recurring, outdoor looping venues are starting to shut down until = spring. I need to start looking for more gigs to fill my winter nights. = =20 The problem is that Boise is a relatively conservative and = genre-monolithic city, providing ample venues for mainstream styles like = classic rock, modern rock, country, folk, and jazz, but not so abundant = in venues who have owners and cliental who are open to avant-garde and = improvisational looping music. =20 I have been very fortunate in the last year, in that I've pushed the = limits of my current venues as much as I felt possible - using as much = atonality, experimentalism, lack of time/key signature, and absence of = popular feel that I could get away with without alienating my listeners = or generating glares from the venue owners. I've been relatively = successful in transitioning back and forth between the = abstract/experimental music that I like to play live and listen to, and = the typical ambient/contemporary material that puts smiles on most = peoples' faces and eases their digestion. However, the lack of venues = where I can play and feel comfortable testing the limits is still an = issue. In the past, I've found that a more venue-friendly first = impression/demo can open the door to more artistically daring music. = For instance, several years ago I once provided a demo to a venue owner = that consisted mostly of jazzy, steely-dan like vocal rock.in a year I = was playing Mike Stearn-like jazz fusion. Moreover, I am thinking of pulling my old jazz hollow body out of the = case getting into some new venues playing traditional jazz..then = slipping some of my loop music into the mix. There are at least 10 = venues that I can get into almost immediately using my jazz chops, using = my jazz demo CD. My jazz style is more in the Pat Martino and John = Abercrombie vein, so the transition between jazz to my loop music should = be easy. I figured I would start by blending a two set gig with 70 = minutes of "standards" jazz and 20 minutes of loop music, then start = balancing the two genres out over time. Are any of you playing loop music that is on the abstract side and = finding it difficult to get satisfying gigs, especially at popular pubs = and restaurants? What type of venues to you play at? Art galleries? = Coffee shops? Mostly festivals? Coffee shops are starting to get old = for me. Regards,=20 Krispen=20 ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung = info@krispenhartung.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A078.99C71FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using Jazz Standards to Get Into a Venue for = Looping
I guess I don't consider myself = a looping=20 musician that plays jazz, but a jazz msucian that uses = loops.
 
Here in Atlantic Canada, there = just ain't=20 much of anything, and I guess that's working to my advantage, because = people=20 don't care whether it's jazz or if I'm using a looper or whatever.  = I=20 played a jazz gig in Halifax Monday night, with my boss (a trombonist) = as the=20 leader.  He insisted that I bring all of the gadgets - he wants = every=20 possible noise I can make.  I'm lucky.  But people dug what we = did,=20 even if it was only 50 of them.
 
I firmly believe that some = people will 'get=20 it' if they are exposed to beauty, whether they know anything about it, = or=20 wanted to, or not.  And some people won't 'get it' no matter what = you=20 do.  For me, it follows that one should be honest about it, and do = what one=20 must.
 
Kevin Brunkhorst
St. F. X. = University
Antigonish, Nova = Scotia
http://www.kevinbrunkhorst.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, September 19, = 2004 9:34=20 PM
Subject: Using Jazz Standards = to Get Into=20 a Venue for Looping

Now that summer is drawing to an end = here in=20 Boise, Idaho, USA, some of my recurring, outdoor looping venues are = starting=20 to shut down until spring.  I need to start looking for more gigs = to fill=20 my winter nights. 

The problem is that Boise is a = relatively=20 conservative and genre-monolithic city, providing ample venues for = mainstream=20 styles like classic rock, modern rock, country, folk, and jazz, but = not so=20 abundant in venues who have owners and cliental who are open to = avant-garde=20 and improvisational looping music.  

I have been very fortunate in the = last year, in=20 that I've pushed the limits of my current venues as much as I felt = possible -=20 using as much atonality, experimentalism, lack of time/key signature, = and=20 absence of popular feel that I could get away with without alienating = my=20 listeners or generating glares from the venue owners.  I've been=20 relatively successful in transitioning back and forth between the=20 abstract/experimental music that I like to play live and listen to, = and the=20 typical ambient/contemporary material that puts smiles on most = peoples' faces=20 and eases their digestion. However, the lack of venues where I can = play and=20 feel comfortable testing the limits is still an issue.

In the past, I've found that a more=20 venue-friendly first impression/demo can open the door to more = artistically=20 daring music.  For instance, several years ago I once provided a = demo to=20 a venue owner that consisted mostly of jazzy, steely-dan like vocal = rock=85in a=20 year I was playing Mike Stearn-like jazz fusion.

Moreover, I am thinking of pulling my = old jazz=20 hollow body out of the case getting into some new venues playing = traditional=20 jazz=85.then slipping some of my loop music into the mix.  There = are at=20 least 10 venues that I can get into almost immediately using my jazz = chops,=20 using my jazz demo CD.  My jazz style is more in the Pat Martino = and John=20 Abercrombie vein, so the transition between jazz to my loop music = should be=20 easy. I figured I would start by blending a two set gig with 70 = minutes of=20 "standards" jazz and 20 minutes of loop music, then start balancing = the two=20 genres out over time.

Are any of you playing loop music = that is on the=20 abstract side and finding it difficult to get satisfying gigs, = especially at=20 popular pubs and restaurants?  What type of venues to you play = at? Art=20 galleries? Coffee shops? Mostly festivals?  Coffee shops are = starting to=20 get old for me.

Regards,

Krispen

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Kris=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com=20


------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A078.99C71FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 09:37:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MDTeq01639; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:29:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:29:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:29:19 -0400 Subject: Re: My new CD - "Organisational Culture Loops" From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3178690160_10179621" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3178690160_10179621 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Per, what an interesting collaboration. Some of it remindes me a bit of the Byrne/Eno album My Life In The Bush of Ghosts, which is one of my favorite pieces of spoken-word/music. Nice work! Dan -- ghost7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com on 9/21/04 6:29 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > Finally we sent the master to the plant. Luckily already more than 500 > copies sold on pre ordering. A bit of a kick start :-D > > I put some audio clips up at http://www.looproom.com/. > > Quote from the press release: > "Collaboration with Brittish speaker David Cowley. Initiated by Noden, > acting as the curator. Crossover electronica with live-looping of sax, > guitar, animated spoken word." > > I had some sessions with a percussionist and we looped some unusual > instruments. He played a Vichy Novaux family size bottle (empty) to > sound like tablas, and we recorded and looped the paper box my > powerbook came in. When shaked forcefully it sounded like thunder, if > pitched down two octaves. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --B_3178690160_10179621 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: My new CD - "Organisational Culture Loops" Per, what an interesting collaboration. Some of it rem= indes me a bit of the Byrne/Eno album My Life In The Bush of Ghosts, which i= s one of my favorite pieces of spoken-word/music.

Nice work!

Dan



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on 9/21/04 6:29 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote:

Finally we sent the master to the p= lant. Luckily already more than 500
copies sold on pre ordering. A bit of a kick start :-D

I put some audio clips up at  http://www.looproom.com/.

Quote from the press release:
"Collaboration with Brittish speaker David Cowley. Initiated by Noden,=
acting as the curator. Crossover electronica with live-looping of sax,
guitar, animated spoken word."

I had some sessions with a percussionist and we looped some unusual
instruments. He played a Vichy Novaux family size bottle (empty) to
sound like tablas,  and we recorded and looped the paper box my
powerbook came in. When shaked forcefully it sounded like thunder, if
pitched down two octaves.

All the best

Per Boysen


 --B_3178690160_10179621-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MEcKf11460; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <110.37e786ea.2e82e82d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:37:33 EDT Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/21/04 10:08:27 PM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com writes: << I don't know much about feedback, except that the manual says there are a lot of settings for it. Does feedback just reduce the volume of the first loop as you layer more on top of it? Any recommendations for where to set it?...... Lastly, there's a lot of hiss, is there some trick to cut all that noise down? >> Hi I can only speak for the old version of the rang where there was no feedback control. It seemed to me that each layer of overdub attenuates the volume of the previous layer by 10 to 15%. So after 4 overdubs the first layer is starting to get buried in the background. I found that careful adjustment of the Trim knob helped reduce hiss. This requires some adjustment of the input volume also. I had the old version of the Boomerang and I have the old version of the RC20. Dang, I'm feeling old. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MF1EZ14963; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:01:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:59:39 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002101c4a0b4$c99f8a50$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TRY0pqmL9CBUnZourllA1g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000f01c4a062$6c0ac1e0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_TRY0pqmL9CBUnZourllA1g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jonathan, Welcome to 'Rangville! I've been using a Boomerang+ for a year now, and maybe I can give you some pointers. The Trim knob is simply a gain control that prevents the 'Rangs input from clipping and causing distortion. First you set the 3-way switch to select the range that the knob will work in. You'll have to experiment with the switch. "Mic" is very sensitive (that is, it will cause the "Clip" LED to turn on very easily), "Inst" is less sensitive, and "Line" is least sensitive. You should adjust the trim knob just below the point where the "Clipping" LED flickers. On my unit, the middle switch setting is useless, because it causes a tremendous amount of hiss. This must be a defect. The other two switch positions work fine. I found that for best playback quality, set the trim knob to well below the setting where the LED flickers. You will get clean sound even as you start stacking. The trim knob works for ALL loops, not just the first. If the 3-way switch is set correctly, the trim knob will be set relatively close to the middle of its rotational travel. As far as volume levels go, it all depends on your preference. You'll want to experiment to get the best mix. It becomes very easy after a short while. Hope I haven't confused you! Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:10 AM Subject: I'm feeling kinda Loopy.... Well, after years of being interested in looping, last night I went ahead and bought a Boomerang+ (the current model). I've been having a blast with it so far, tackling simple tunes like Moondance and trying to get a feel for it. I know it's no Echoplex, but it's keeping me plenty busy! My goal is to do solo bass shows, or maybe play some guitar too if I get a Y box setup together. I can tell it will take a lot of practice to get this whole looping thing really figured out, but it looks like a very fun adventure. I don't know much about feedback, except that the manual says there are a lot of settings for it. Does feedback just reduce the volume of the first loop as you layer more on top of it? Any recommendations for where to set it? Also, is there any trick for adjusting volume levels for layers on top of a groove? Do you turn your volume up for the foundation, then bring the instrument level back down to do the "background" stuff on top of it? Lastly, there's a lot of hiss, is there some trick to cut all that noise down? Thanks! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com --Boundary_(ID_TRY0pqmL9CBUnZourllA1g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Jonathan,
 
Welcome to 'Rangville! I've been using a Boomerang+ for a year now, and maybe I can give you some pointers.
 
The Trim knob is simply a gain control that prevents the 'Rangs input from clipping and causing distortion. First you set the 3-way switch to select the range that the knob will work in. You'll have to experiment with the switch. "Mic" is very sensitive (that is, it will cause the "Clip" LED to turn on very easily), "Inst" is less sensitive, and "Line" is least sensitive. You should adjust the trim knob just below the point where the "Clipping" LED flickers.
 
On my unit, the middle switch setting is useless, because it causes a tremendous amount of hiss. This must be a defect. The other two switch positions work fine. I found that for best playback quality, set the trim knob to well below the setting where the LED flickers. You will get clean sound even as you start stacking. The trim knob works for ALL loops, not just the first. If the 3-way switch is set correctly, the trim knob will be set relatively close to the middle of its rotational travel.
 
As far as volume levels go, it all depends on your preference. You'll want to experiment to get the best mix. It becomes very easy after a short while.
 
Hope I haven't confused you!
 
Brian
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:10 AM
Subject: I'm feeling kinda Loopy....

    Well, after years of being interested in looping, last night I went ahead and bought a Boomerang+ (the current model).  I've been having a blast with it so far, tackling simple tunes like Moondance and trying to get a feel for it.  I know it's no Echoplex, but it's keeping me plenty busy!
    My goal is to do solo bass shows, or maybe play some guitar too if I get a Y box setup together.  I can tell it will take a lot of practice to get this whole looping thing really figured out, but it looks like a very fun adventure.
    I don't know much about feedback, except that the manual says there are a lot of settings for it.  Does feedback just reduce the volume of the first loop as you layer more on top of it?  Any recommendations for where to set it?
    Also, is there any trick for adjusting volume levels for layers on top of a groove?  Do you turn your volume up for the foundation, then bring the instrument level back down to do the "background" stuff on top of it?
    Lastly, there's a lot of hiss, is there some trick to cut all that noise down?
    Thanks!
    -Jonathan
--Boundary_(ID_TRY0pqmL9CBUnZourllA1g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:14:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MF9bX16709; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:07:20 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002701c4a0b5$dca96430$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <110.37e786ea.2e82e82d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the newer 'Rang, the default setting is set for infinite playback, so there is no decay as you stack. Of course, this can be changed in the setup. I find the trim knob to be extremely forgiving and I get very little hiss, except for the middle range of the 3-way switch. I think this is a defect in my unit. I just get by with the first and third position, and as long as I'm not lighting up the clipping LED, my results are great. You might want to see if your older 'Rang can be set for "no decay". I'm sure you already know you can upgrade your older 'Rang to the newer firmware by replacing a few chips. Brian > > In a message dated 9/21/04 10:08:27 PM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com writes: > > << I don't know much about feedback, except that the manual says there are a > lot of settings for it. Does feedback just reduce the volume of the first > loop as you layer more on top of it? Any recommendations for where to set > it?...... > > Lastly, there's a lot of hiss, is there some trick to cut all that noise > down? >> > > Hi > I can only speak for the old version of the rang where there was no feedback > control. It seemed to me that each layer of overdub attenuates the volume of > the previous layer by 10 to 15%. So after 4 overdubs the first layer is > starting to get buried in the background. > I found that careful adjustment of the Trim knob helped reduce hiss. This > requires some adjustment of the input volume also. > > I had the old version of the Boomerang and I have the old version of the RC20. > Dang, I'm feeling old. > > regards > BobC > > > www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MFHuF18932; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.29d387d4.2e82f17a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:17:14 EDT Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/22/04 8:01:00 AM, compguy1@optonline.net writes: << You'll have to experiment with the switch. "Mic" is very sensitive (that is, it will cause the "Clip" LED to turn on very easily), "Inst" is less sensitive, and "Line" is least sensitive. You should adjust the trim knob just below the point where the "Clipping" LED flickers. >> Yea. I usually ran my instruments thru a preamp first then into the rang so I called it "Line" so used the Line setting and hiss was rarely a problem. <> Sold my old rang but I miss it. I found the layout user friendly. Hope to get a new one someday when my ship comes in. cheers BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:41:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MGXft02083; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:33:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:31:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSgDO7Mvu1/vu0zSJyaQCNWXyvnbAAWyTAQABYgqpA= In-Reply-To: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49369F60@EMAIL.gibson.com> Message-Id: <20040922163200.ELDE21381.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Van Pamel [mailto:Kevin.VanPamel@gibson.com] It is likely that we will run short again soon but I'm working hard to avoid a large gap in delivery. As a few of you have pointed out, the EDPP is in need of a hardware upgrade and balancing the end of life cycle of one version while we move to another is a challenge. ----->I for one got tired of waiting for Alto to get their backorders and instead acquired a used EDP for $800. I am afraid valuable items come at a cost . . . But Kevin seems to be our friend! And I am happy to hear of potential "hardware upgrade" news, since mono is a problem--You currently need 4 Echoplexes to loop two tracks of Stereo! Yikes! Andre LaFosse is coming to town (San Diego) next week, to a place called Lestat's. Let's see how many EDPs he's using . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:57:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MGttA06481; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409221654.i8MGsva06144@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Was: (Gibson jacks up Echoplex price) Now nifty hardware platforms Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:54:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20040922163200.ELDE21381.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSgDO7Mvu1/vu0zSJyaQCNWXyvnbAAWyTAQABYgqpAAAOI5IA== Resent-Message-ID: <4oWJFC.A.RgB.h5aUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for bringing up the new board ideas Here's some stuff I came across investigating this a little further (for any who are interested) Boards & Parts: http://store.mini-box.com/ituner/index.html Software: http://www.agnula.org/ Project Ideas: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8275095591.html Feel free to add more to this list (if interested) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:04:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MH2Oc07708; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:35:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RC20 - EDP sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Very cool love it the combo of an RC with an EDP sounds like a good idea can >> the RC receive MIDI tempo from an EDP? > >Thanks. Nope, the RC-20 has no MIDI of any kind, unfortunately. I've read on >the newsgroups that John Scofield uses an RC-20/EDP combo like this. > >This morning I posted a better take of "West Coast Blues" and one of >"The Girl From Ipanema", which illustrates the guitar/bass split using >the hex pickup: > >http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html > >Mark Smart I managed to sync them by pushing a wire from some flashing LED to a connector which was not used in the RC-20 and from there go to the BeatSync input of the EDP and set its Sync param to IN ! didnt we document that somewhere? Tim Crowe was testemuny... you can actually do this trick with many units, since all the BeatSync input needs is some kind of a pulse. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:43:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MHX4S16745; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:33:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5BC879F8-0CBD-11D9-A6F9-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:32:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <_okD0C.A.yDE.ycbUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 22, 2004, at 18:35, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>> Very cool love it the combo of an RC with an EDP sounds like a good >>> idea can >>> the RC receive MIDI tempo from an EDP? >> >> Thanks. Nope, the RC-20 has no MIDI of any kind, unfortunately. I've >> read on >> the newsgroups that John Scofield uses an RC-20/EDP combo like this. >> >> This morning I posted a better take of "West Coast Blues" and one of >> "The Girl From Ipanema", which illustrates the guitar/bass split using >> the hex pickup: >> >> http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html >> >> Mark Smart > > I managed to sync them by pushing a wire from some flashing LED to a > connector which was not used in the RC-20 and from there go to the > BeatSync input of the EDP and set its Sync param to IN ! > didnt we document that somewhere? > Tim Crowe was testemuny... Yes, I remember you posted this tip last year (?) so it must be in the list archives. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:25:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MIO5P31355; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:23:25 +0000 Message-Id: <092220041823.429.4151C31D000819CD000001AD21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <6d7gU.A.jnH.lMcUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I managed to sync them by pushing a wire from some flashing LED to a > connector which was not used in the RC-20 and from there go to the > BeatSync input of the EDP and set its Sync param to IN ! > didnt we document that somewhere? > Tim Crowe was testemuny... > > you can actually do this trick with many units, since all the > BeatSync input needs is some kind of a pulse. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org You are insane. I think I might have to try this! Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 15:26:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MJMnH12379; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c4a0d8$aa101fa0$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: <092220041823.429.4151C31D000819CD000001AD21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Subject: Korg SE500 Tape echo Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:16:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have any experence with this unit and can tell me how long the SOS is on it? Thanks Shane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 15:29:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MJQP813204; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:26:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:26:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4A0D9.FDC90CB3" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF493B11A2@EMAIL.gibson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price Thread-Index: AcSggNEAyQ8PkPLOSQqnBCxmr2rIlAAWRiBQ From: "Kevin Van Pamel" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A0D9.FDC90CB3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Andreas. If you have any features you'd like to see on the next version of the Echoplex, I'd really appreciate it if you would share them. =20 Best Regards, =20 Kevin =20 ________________________________ From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:51 AM To: LD to post Subject: Re: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price =20 David Grossman wrote: Well, I just want to express my gratitude for all you have done to make this product available and my sympathy for having to deal with all you have had to deal with in getting this product out. I couldn't live without my Echoplexes and I haven't found anything that comes close to replacing them for how I use them. *********** I'll second that. The EDP with Loop IV is a phantastic musical instrument! Thank you guys! Andreas=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A0D9.FDC90CB3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: RE: Gibson jacks up Echoplex price

Thank you Andreas.  If you = have any features you’d like to see on the next version of the Echoplex, = I’d really appreciate it if you would share = them.

 

Best = Regards,

 

Kevin

 

From: = Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de]
Sent: Wednesday, = September 22, 2004 1:51 AM
To: LD to post
Subject: Re: RE: Gibson = jacks up Echoplex price

 

David Grossman wrote:

Well, I just want to express my gratitude = for all you have done to make this
product available and my sympathy for = having to deal with all you have had to
deal with in getting this product out. I = couldn't live without my Echoplexes
and I haven't found anything that comes = close to replacing them for how I use
them.

***********
I'll second that. The EDP with Loop IV is = a phantastic musical instrument!

Thank you guys!

Andreas =

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A0D9.FDC90CB3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 17:52:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8MLiRN04468; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010001c4a0ed$14edab30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: kudos to the EDP and Loop IV Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:42:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Grossman wrote: Well, I just want to express my gratitude for all you have done to make this product available and my sympathy for having to deal with all you have had to deal with in getting this product out. I couldn't live without my Echoplexes and I haven't found anything that comes close to replacing them for how I use them. *********** I'll second that. The EDP with Loop IV is a phantastic musical instrument! Thank you guys! Andreas ******* I'll heartily third that! The contributions of Matthias Grob, Kim Flint, Eric Obermuhlner, Andre LaFosse, Claude Voit, Warren Sirota, Andy Ewen, Kevin Van Pamel and all the people who have invented,added to, perfected, marketed and distributed this amazing machine as well as all the artists who's use of it have inspired me have changed my life, musically. Thanks a lot! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 21:30:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N1RvX03762; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c4a10d$1ff1bec0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:32:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: RC20 - EDP sync > I managed to sync them by pushing a wire from some flashing LED to a > connector which was not used in the RC-20 and from there go to the > BeatSync input of the EDP and set its Sync param to IN ! > didnt we document that somewhere? > Tim Crowe was testemuny... > > you can actually do this trick with many units, since all the > BeatSync input needs is some kind of a pulse. I think this mod might help me quite a bit, especially if I can get it to synch only on the "beat 1" red LED flashes and not the "beat 2,3 &4" green LED flashes. I pretty much always record the long loop over some integer number of repetitions of the red LED flashes. When you did this, did the EDP respond to both red and green flashes or just red flashes? If it responds to both, it might be possible to get it to respond only to the red ones by putting a diode in series with it, right? If this is a two color LED whose color is determined by the direction of the current. I have some loops that are in 3/4, 5/4 and 7/4, and for these, the red LED's line up with beat 1, but the green ones are in the wrong place. So I would be better off with red-only. I wonder if you could "OR" two RC-20s' synch signals together by mixing them with a resistance mixer. If I did that then I could use prerecorded loops from either RC-20 and still get synch. Very cool idea! (Sound of soldering iron being powered up and RC-20 screaming "NOOO!") Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 21:42:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N1X5M05048; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c4a10d$e069e6a0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> <000c01c4a10d$1ff1bec0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:37:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync > When you did this, did the EDP respond to both red and green flashes or just red > flashes? If it responds to both, it might be possible to get it to respond only > to the red ones by putting a diode in series with it, right? If this is a two > color LED whose color is determined by the direction of the current. Oh, wait...they are probably controlling the color by grounding one side of the LED and connecting the other to +V, right? So you could get it to respond just to red flashes by only hooking the wire to the side of the LED that gets +V during a red flash. Easy enough. Just thinking out loud... Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 23:40:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N3cAd25549; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:38:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:38:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:37:22 EDT Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy....RANG STUFF To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/22/04 1:08:27 AM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com writes: > I know it's no Echoplex, but it's keeping me plenty busy! > jonathan.....the rang is a blast.....you talk about a Y box, do yourself a favor, think "mixer".....also keep in mind: 2 outs.....feedback in the rang: 100% where nothing "goes away" /several repeats as the tracks go away/......down to "slapback".....what's the best feedback, you decide! all the settings present different ways of going at your LOOPS.....also keep in mind that you can "punch in" sounds, YOU DON"T NEED TO KEEP THE OVERDUB BUTTON DEPRESSED ALL THE TIME.....i think you will grow to love your rang.....michael --part1_1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/22/04 1:08:27 AM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com writes:


I know it's no Echoplex, but it= 's keeping me plenty busy!

jonathan.....the rang is a blast.....you talk about a Y box, do yourself a f= avor, think "mixer".....also keep in mind: 2 outs.....feedback in the rang:=20= 100% where nothing "goes away" /several repeats as the tracks go away/......= down to "slapback".....what's the best feedback, you decide! all the setting= s present different ways of going at your LOOPS.....also keep in mind that y= ou can "punch in" sounds, YOU DON"T NEED TO KEEP THE OVERDUB BUTTON DEPRESSE= D ALL THE TIME.....i think you will grow to love your rang.....michael
 --part1_1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 23:53:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N3nva28128; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:49:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:49:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.4ddfab74.2e83a1c8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:49:28 EDT Subject: Re: [CT-Location] radio play !!! To: CT-Collective@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.4ddfab74.2e83a1c8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <7XM2uC.A.f2G.TfkUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.4ddfab74.2e83a1c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 9/22/04 1:32:28 PM, mattdavignon@sbcglobal.net writes: > Here's the playlist, sent to me by the host: > Michael Peters /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Biesfeld > Matt Davignon /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tape Recorder > Ben Powell /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bangor High Street > David Cooper Orton / CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Location, location=E2=80= =A6 > Antipriest / CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Frogs of the Alien > Dreamtime > Quiet American /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Seven Minutes in Tibet > Gydia / CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tranz Metro > Jamie Drouin=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vessel_part 4 >=20 >=20 > --- Michael Peters wrote: >=20 > > I have just been informed that some tracks (I don't > > know which ones) of the > > two CT-Location CDs will get some airplay on an > > acoustic art program here in > > Germany, on Deutschlandradio Berlin. > > > http://www.dradio.de/dlr/sendungen/hoerspiel_dlr/291761 > > > > The 1-hour issue of "Newcomer Werkstatt" will be > > broadcast this Friday at > > early morning from midnight to 1 a.m. - our time > > zone is GMT +1 (I'm not > > sure how to figure out how this translates to, say, > > California - also, we > > still have summer time here). You can listen to > > Deutschlandradio Berlin > > online at http://www.dradio.de/dlr - there is a > > 'Live Stream' link on the > > left side somewhere. > > > > > > Michael Peters > > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > > A spark of truth can burn up a mountain of lies > > (Nisargadatta) > > >=20 kool!.....michael --part1_9b.4ddfab74.2e83a1c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
In a message dated 9/22/04 1:32:28 PM, mattdavignon@sbcglobal.net writes:

Here's the playlist, sent to me= by the host:
Michael Peters /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Biesfeld
Matt Davignon /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tape Recorder
Ben Powell /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bangor High Street
David Cooper Orton / CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Location, location=E2=80=A6<= BR> Antipriest / CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Frogs of the Alien
Dreamtime
Quiet American /CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Seven Minutes in Tibet
Gydia / CT-Collective=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tranz Metro
Jamie Drouin=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vessel_part 4


--- Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> I have just been informed that some tracks (I don't
> know which ones) of the
> two CT-Location CDs will get some airplay on an
> acoustic art program here in
> Germany, on Deutschlandradio Berlin.
>
http://www.dradio.de/dlr/sendungen/hoerspiel_dlr/291761
>
> The 1-hour issue of "Newcomer Werkstatt" will be
> broadcast this Friday at
> early morning from midnight to 1 a.m. - our time
> zone is GMT +1 (I'm not
> sure how to figure out how this translates to, say,
> California - also, we
> still have summer time here). You can listen to
> Deutschlandradio Berlin
> online at http://www.dradio.de/dlr - there is a
> 'Live Stream' link on the
> left side somewhere.
>
>
> Michael Peters
> www.michaelpeters.de
>
>
> A spark of truth can burn up a mountain of lies
> (Nisargadatta)
>

kool!.....michael
 --part1_9b.4ddfab74.2e83a1c8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 00:15:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N3v9l30134; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c4a121$5b987f90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival T-shirts advanced order Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:56:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just about to order the T-shirts for the Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival. They will be high quality black t-shirts with white printing on them. I'm taking pre-orders for them right now and will only have a small amount available after this pre-order at the festival itself if anyone is interested. Please send your responses to rickwalker@looppool.info and NOT to this list. If you are interested, e-mail me your t-shirt size and then send a check or money order (made out to Rick Walker) for $15 (USD) to. Y2K4 T-shirts c/o Rick Walker 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 USA Thanks, the final schedule is almost completed and we currently have 48 artists from 5 different countries planning to attend. I"m really excited about it. I"ll send out the official announcements with the schedule in a couple of days when I have the final schedule's hammered out. yours, in the loop, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 00:51:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N4gT805766; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <010c01c49ea8$561b2390$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010c01c49ea8$561b2390$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CD8785C-0B87-11D9-BC22-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Mackie or Behringer mixer solution for Mark Hamburg Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:33:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Rick. That's just the sort of contact point I need. Mark On Sep 19, 2004, at 5:25 PM, loop.pool wrote: > I'd recommend that you get Chris Bolan at Union Grove music to build > you a specific box for what you want to accomplish if > you can't find something already built. > > I doubt he would charge you very much and he could customize it's size > to fit in the back of your rack. If you don't know > him well (or at all) please tell him that I sent you and tell him > it's for you performance at the Loop Festival.........that might get > the work sped up. He's amazingly booked up these days. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 01:33:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N5Ole12877; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41525E06.6030203@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:24:22 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Was: (Gibson jacks up Echoplex price) Now nifty hardware platforms References: <200409221654.i8MGsva06144@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200409221654.i8MGsva06144@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7SXQxC.A.VID.I4lUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Alan and list, I just wanted to comment on the Agnula link. I've been playing around with the Agnula Demudi live CD (that's also mentioned in the Project Idea link you provided). For anyone interested in looking at linux as an audio machine but not wanting to go for a full hard drive install, this CD is great. It's basically a fully stacked linux audio production suite, covering most aspects of digital audio production, on an easy to use CD that you just stick in your box and boot up. It doesn't offer the performance of a full install (loading apps from the cd is a little slow for instance), but it does give a great idea of just how far linux has progressed into becoming a highly usable audio production environment. The CD has no real looping application by default, but using PD and the right hardware you can use something like this : info.htmhttp://www.loopit.org/jamma_ for an 8 channel realtime looping sampler! there are other PD based looping patches, but this seems to have the most polished interface. -michael Alan Kroeger wrote: > >Thanks for bringing up the new board ideas > >Here's some stuff I came across investigating this a little further (for any >who are interested) > >Boards & Parts: >http://store.mini-box.com/ituner/index.html > >Software: >http://www.agnula.org/ > >Project Ideas: >http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8275095591.html > > >Feel free to add more to this list (if interested) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 03:14:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8N78bp29532; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [83.177.141.207] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: volume pedal with good impedance for lexicon pcm80 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:55:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2004 06:56:00.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[629B3350:01C4A13A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Lookin for a volume pédal with 10 k hom, to 100 hom impedance, If anybody know a reference .... Thank's Daniel totalrtt@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 : dialoguez en direct et gratuitement avec vos amis ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 09:42:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NDTj601927; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:29:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:30:30 -0400 Subject: NYC looping gig From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to let NYers know I'll be doing a solo (looping) concert with fellow looper and funky instrument-builder Ken Butler Friday October 1. My looping music has evolved over the several years I've been working with the EDP, and I'm really happy with it right now -- Probably like many of us, I've evolved several different approaches to music/looping depending on the venue/audience. I do the pure spontaneous improvisation thing, for my own head and recently for improvising dancers -- did a thing a few months ago where I played and sang straight for almost 3 hours as people were doing contact improv. It was really fulfilling to interact with people moving -- at some points, I was singing and doing contact improv with them myself as the loops were playing. Very cool. I'm working on some duo situations - with guitarist Kenny Wessell and flutist Robert Dick - which is mostly improvised, too, although we're probably going to evolve compositions from our improvs. And lastly, for my solo concerts, after spending years on pure process in-the-moment music, I've found that part of me wants to create a body of work, and prefers to have songs and compositions ready to perform when it's a solo show. I can go off in any direction if inspired, but I like having structured work to present. And all this is integrated with my ongoing vocal studies of north Indian singing. So, I'll be presenting the solo work next Friday - I call it "Chants, Songs and Musical Landscapes." Hope to see some of you there! SPECIAL BENEFIT FOR MOVE ON.ORG Ken Butler and Steve Sandberg at Atmananda Yoga 552 Broadway (and Spring) Friday, October 1 8 PM $10 Suggested Donation (to benefit moveon.org) by the way, you can check out ken's website at: http://www.mindspring.com/~kbhybrid/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 10:13:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NE6sF12353; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:06:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409231406.i8NE6Ma12311@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Was: (Gibson jacks up Echoplex price) Now nifty hardware platforms Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:06:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcShLq+bvLMHFCdESWKGhgpwOuw34AARiVIg In-Reply-To: <41525E06.6030203@iinet.net.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just setup a spare box to run Fedora 2 and the install was relatively trouble free except for the bootloader has one minor issue (have to look at my bios settings ??? ) Well I might try out Sooper Looper on the Sound Blaster Audigy card installed in that machine once I get to checking out whether it is working right ;D The SB isn't my ideal card but, I know they function under Linux with few difficulties. I would like to check out one of those Mini Itx boards as that would be the way I would want to go dedicated hardware as opposed to hauling a full PC around. Your link got scewed up so I will repost the link http://www.loopit.org/jamma_info.htm And once again Sooper Looper (I know it's been posted before) http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ Know of any good Mini ITX developer forums? -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Was: (Gibson jacks up Echoplex price) Now nifty hardware platforms hi Alan and list, I just wanted to comment on the Agnula link. I've been playing around with the Agnula Demudi live CD (that's also mentioned in the Project Idea link you provided). For anyone interested in looking at linux as an audio machine but not wanting to go for a full hard drive install, this CD is great. It's basically a fully stacked linux audio production suite, covering most aspects of digital audio production, on an easy to use CD that you just stick in your box and boot up. It doesn't offer the performance of a full install (loading apps from the cd is a little slow for instance), but it does give a great idea of just how far linux has progressed into becoming a highly usable audio production environment. The CD has no real looping application by default, but using PD and the right hardware you can use something like this : info.htmhttp://www.loopit.org/jamma_ for an 8 channel realtime looping sampler! there are other PD based looping patches, but this seems to have the most polished interface. -michael Alan Kroeger wrote: > >Thanks for bringing up the new board ideas > >Here's some stuff I came across investigating this a little further >(for any who are interested) > >Boards & Parts: >http://store.mini-box.com/ituner/index.html > >Software: >http://www.agnula.org/ > >Project Ideas: >http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8275095591.html > > >Feel free to add more to this list (if interested) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 10:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NEU7I17608; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:30:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <25210226.1095949768476.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:29:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy....RANG STUFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While the discussions of rackmount units make me wonder if I need a PhD to run them, all this talk of the 'rang (and watching Ross Hamlin use one) intrigues me. So it's pretty intuitive? Good. We *like* intuitive. Can't wait to get a real job someday so I can buy one of these devices! (No more expensive than a Lo-Fi Loop Junky, right? But about double the price of a Line6 DM4?) In the meantime, my DFX94 does a good job and will keep me happy until I can afford something "better." ~Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 11:02:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NEodf21605; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1095951009!20747766 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557D18@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:42:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4A17B.9DBC9E10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A17B.9DBC9E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Oh, wait...they are probably controlling the color by grounding one side of the LED and connecting the other to +V, right? So you could get it to respond just to red flashes by only hooking the wire to the side of the LED that gets +V during a red flash. Easy enough.<< erm.... you could also think about using a counter/divider chip to give you more control over this- use the first flash, ignore the next three, use the fifth flash, ignore the next three.... & so on. I'm still aiming to build some sort of clock divider interface to get from a midi clock into a standard dl4's tap-tempo..... just need to get made redundant first, or sent on indefinite gardening leave..... :-) d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>Oh, wait...they are probably controlling the colo= r by grounding one side of the
LED and connecting the other to +V, right? So you could = get it to respond just
to red flashes by only hooking the wire to the side of t= he LED that gets +V
during a red flash. Easy enough.<<

erm.... you could also think about using a counter/divide= r chip to give you more control over this- use the first flash, ignore the = next three, use the fifth flash, ignore the next three.... & so on.

I'm still aiming to build some sort of clock divider inte= rface to get from a midi clock into a standard dl4's tap-tempo..... just ne= ed to get made redundant first, or sent on indefinite gardening leave..... = :-)

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A17B.9DBC9E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 11:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NFKIj28002; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c4a10d$e069e6a0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <200409211349.i8LDnsa29517@hemlock.violacea.com> <000701c49fe5$401ebd20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> <000c01c4a10d$1ff1bec0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> <000501c4a10d$e069e6a0$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:55:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Smart" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:32 PM >Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync > > >> When you did this, did the EDP respond to both red and green flashes or just >red >> flashes? If it responds to both, it might be possible to get it to respond >only >> to the red ones by putting a diode in series with it, right? If >>this is a two >> color LED whose color is determined by the direction of the current. > >Oh, wait...they are probably controlling the color by grounding one >side of the >LED and connecting the other to +V, right? So you could get it to respond just >to red flashes by only hooking the wire to the side of the LED that gets +V >during a red flash. Easy enough. > >Just thinking out loud... sounds good, usually 2 color LEDs have three legs of which the center is ground. maybe you get a better signal on the other side of the resistor that feeds the LED probably you find a concrete instruction in the LD archive since I usually try to make such tricks available when I discover them... but this may be the less fun way :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 12:19:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NGGEK02748; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:15:39 +0000 Message-Id: <092320041615.18350.4152F6AB0002AF5C000047AE21979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <7etCG.A.Dq.xavUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >----- Original Message ----- > sounds good, usually 2 color LEDs have three legs of which the center > is ground. > maybe you get a better signal on the other side of the resistor that > feeds the LED > > probably you find a concrete instruction in the LD archive since I > usually try to make such tricks available when I discover them... but > this may be the less fun way :-) I found that note by searching for "RC-20 LED" in the archives, thanks. I think if I do this I might get burned by the fact that the LED is flashing even when the loop is not playing. I would want it to only send synch pulses when the loop is playing, requiring an "AND" of the Play LED and the flashing LED. Maybe a surface mount TTL chip will fit in there someplace. I have a question about Loop IV..I see in the manual that if you have synch = In and you hit Record, the EDP will wait till the next synch pulse arrives before it starts recording. Similarly it will not stop recording till the next synch pulse after you hit Record again. Does this also apply to NextLoop? I am using the EDP with AutoRecord=On so I can record several loops in series without a pause. It would be cool if the EDP would wait for the next synch pulse after hitting Next before starting the recording of the next loop. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 12:29:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NGQwh04795; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c4a188$c6a7dad0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <092320041615.18350.4152F6AB0002AF5C000047AE21979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:17:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7_zRqB.A.YKB.JlvUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See "SwitchQuantize" in the EDP manual. There are various settings for when the EDP will switch to the next loop. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > sounds good, usually 2 color LEDs have three legs of which the center > > is ground. > > maybe you get a better signal on the other side of the resistor that > > feeds the LED > > > > probably you find a concrete instruction in the LD archive since I > > usually try to make such tricks available when I discover them... but > > this may be the less fun way :-) > > I found that note by searching for "RC-20 LED" in the > archives, thanks. I think if I do this I might get burned > by the fact that the LED is flashing even when the loop is > not playing. I would want it to only send synch pulses when > the loop is playing, requiring an "AND" of the Play LED > and the flashing LED. Maybe a surface mount TTL chip will > fit in there someplace. > > I have a question about Loop IV..I see in the manual that > if you have synch = In and you hit Record, the EDP will wait > till the next synch pulse arrives before it starts recording. > Similarly it will not stop recording till the next synch > pulse after you hit Record again. Does this also apply to > NextLoop? I am using the EDP with AutoRecord=On so I can > record several loops in series without a pause. It would be > cool if the EDP would wait for the next synch pulse after > hitting Next before starting the recording of the next loop. > > Mark Smart > www.marksmart.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 13:49:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NHkFj14885; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:46:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike Hunter" Cc: , , Subject: Looping Gig - Ambient Looping in NJ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c4a195$1b47b5e0$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4A173.943615E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.150.253.95] at Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:45:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <5I8F6.A.jmD.3uwUBB@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4A173.943615E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, If you can make it, I'll be doing a two hour show at the Clarence Dillon Public Library at 2336 Lamington Rd in Bedminster, NJ (HYPERLINK "http://www.youseemore.com/ClarenceDillon/calendarlist.asp"http://www.yo useemore.com/ClarenceDillon/calendarlist.asp) this Sunday, September 26th from 2:00pm until 4:00pm un the "Ombient" name. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4A173.943615E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 14:56:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NIpoU24390; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <092320041615.18350.4152F6AB0002AF5C000047AE21979247419B9D0E039C9903@insig htbb.com> References: <092320041615.18350.4152F6AB0002AF5C000047AE21979247419B9D0E039C9903@insig htbb.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:26:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > probably you find a concrete instruction in the LD archive since I >> usually try to make such tricks available when I discover them... but >> this may be the less fun way :-) > >I found that note by searching for "RC-20 LED" in the >archives, thanks. I think if I do this I might get burned >by the fact that the LED is flashing even when the loop is >not playing. I would want it to only send synch pulses when >the loop is playing, requiring an "AND" of the Play LED >and the flashing LED. Maybe a surface mount TTL chip will >fit in there someplace. did not understand what the sync pulse harms if you dont want it for the EDP, press Overdub while in Reset! >I have a question about Loop IV..I see in the manual that >if you have synch = In and you hit Record, the EDP will wait >till the next synch pulse arrives before it starts recording. thats only true if Quant is on and for Loop III >Similarly it will not stop recording till the next synch >pulse after you hit Record again. thats true for Quant, otherwise it waits until the loop is of a full multiple length of the incoming sync timing. >Does this also apply to >NextLoop? I am using the EDP with AutoRecord=On so I can >record several loops in series without a pause. It would be >cool if the EDP would wait for the next synch pulse after >hitting Next before starting the recording of the next loop. yes it does that, but in this case I think Quant makes sense -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:04:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NJ2Lh26319; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557D18@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557D18@lon-oxmail02> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:25:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: RC20 - EDP sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Oh, wait...they are probably controlling the color by grounding >one side of the >LED and connecting the other to +V, right? So you could get it to respond just >to red flashes by only hooking the wire to the side of the LED that gets +V >during a red flash. Easy enough.<< > >erm.... you could also think about using a counter/divider chip to >give you more control over this- use the first flash, ignore the >next three, use the fifth flash, ignore the next three.... & so on. > >I'm still aiming to build some sort of clock divider interface to >get from a midi clock into a standard dl4's tap-tempo..... just need >to get made redundant first, or sent on indefinite gardening >leave..... :-) > >d/r.m.i. I dont think this helps a lot for the EDP, since you are free to press Record after as many cycles as you want, so it does not really matter how many sync pulses you receive, unless they are extremely quick so that you cannot count right or press Record wrongly by accident. it may be necessary for the DL4 though, so go ahead! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:04:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NJ35s26566; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:03:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:03:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:02:47 -0600 Message-Id: <200409231902.i8NJ2l704822@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: WAY OT: Tape Question X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.28.199 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is completely random, but I thought someone here may have an answer. Does anyone know a good place with good people (preferably near Austin) that can play 2-inch, 8-track Ampeg tapes? The reason I ask is that the master tapes for the International Artists recordings have been located (13th Floor Elevators, Red Crayola, etc.) and we are looking for a good place to check them out, save them if need be (they are old after all), remaster CDs from them, etc. Any help would be appreciated Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NJ6Rs27841; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:06:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2@aol.com> References: <1e6.2b276bf7.2e839ef2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:35:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: I'm feeling kinda Loopy....Feedback? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there is a lot of philosophy about Feedback in the archive. I keep claiming that its fundamental for renovation and learning. It creates the dynamics between resting and moving, repetition and change, boring and overcharging... this question is independent of the loop tool. > >>I know it's no Echoplex, but it's keeping me plenty busy! >> > >jonathan.....the rang is a blast.....you talk about a Y box, do >yourself a favor, think "mixer".....also keep in mind: 2 >outs.....feedback in the rang: 100% where nothing "goes away" >/several repeats as the tracks go away/......down to >"slapback".....what's the best feedback, you decide! all the >settings present different ways of going at your LOOPS.....also keep >in mind that you can "punch in" sounds, YOU DON"T NEED TO KEEP THE >OVERDUB BUTTON DEPRESSED ALL THE TIME.....i think you will grow to >love your rang.....michael -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:15:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NJCFk29251; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:11:54 +0000 Message-Id: <092320041911.10287.41531FFA00059C160000282F21979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > did not understand what the sync pulse harms > if you dont want it for the EDP, press Overdub while in Reset! I was worried because sometimes after I have loaded the loops into the EDP, I change the RC-20 to slot 11 with my foot. Slot 11 contains the kick/crash I use at the end, and switching there changes the rate of LED flash. But I wouldn't do this until after all the loops are recorded into the EDP. It would definitely cause problems if I tried to run "OR"ed synch outputs from both my RC-20s into the EDP. I'd like to do this if possible so I can load more drum loops into the second RC-20 and still have synch. > thats only true if Quant is on and for Loop III > > >Similarly it will not stop recording till the next synch > >pulse after you hit Record again. > > thats true for Quant, otherwise it waits until the loop is of a full > multiple length of the incoming sync timing. > > >Does this also apply to > >NextLoop? I am using the EDP with AutoRecord=On so I can > >record several loops in series without a pause. It would be > >cool if the EDP would wait for the next synch pulse after > >hitting Next before starting the recording of the next loop. > > yes it does that, but in this case I think Quant makes sense Great, thanks. The customer support here is amazing! :) Sorry for asking about stuff that's in the manual. I looked under "SwitchQuant" but not "Quant". Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:47:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NJj1605411; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:45:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <415327A6.00007F.02592@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:44:38 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_EUEI8QL8WCW000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <200409231902.i8NJ2l704822@minds-eye.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: WAY OT: Tape Question X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_EUEI8QL8WCW000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you might be able to play back on a 2 inch 16 or 24. The head layout will= be odd and you will not read the full track. In the past I have run 2' 16TR = on 2" 24 decks. I would try to fins a 2'16tr as well and see it it works. I= t's a more common find that 2' 16TR. =0D =0D Good luck!=0D =0D =0D PS: You might be able to find the deck in schoold with long established recording/radio production setups. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: kevin@minds-eye.org=0D Date: 09/23/04 12:03:52=0D To: Loop=0D Subject: WAY OT: Tape Question=0D =0D This is completely random, but I thought someone here may have an answer.= =0D =0D Does anyone know a good place with good people (preferably near Austin)=0D that can play 2-inch, 8-track Ampeg tapes?=0D =0D The reason I ask is that the master tapes for the International Artists=0D recordings have been located (13th Floor Elevators, Red Crayola, etc.)=0D and we are looking for a good place to check them out, save them if need=0D be (they are old after all), remaster CDs from them, etc.=0D =0D Any help would be appreciated=0D =0D Kevin=0D =0D How amazing, how amazing!=0D Hard to comprehend that=0D Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.=0D It simply cannot be heard with the ear,=0D But when sound is heard with the eye,=0D Then it is understood.=0D - Tung-shan (807-869)=0D =0D Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_EUEI8QL8WCW000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you might be able to play back on a 2 inch 16 or 24. The head&n= bsp;layout will be odd and you will not read the full track. In the past = I have run 2' 16TR on 2" 24 decks.  I would try to fins a 2'16tr as = well and see it it works. It's a more common find that 2' 16TR.
 
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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 09/23/04 12:= 03:52
To: Loop
Subject: WAY OT: T= ape Question
 
This is completely random, but I thought someone here may have an an= swer.
 
Does anyone know a good place with good people (preferably near Aust= in)
that can play 2-inch, 8-track Ampeg tapes?
 
The reason I ask is that the master tapes for the International Arti= sts
recordings have been located (13th Floor Elevators, Red Crayola, etc= =2E)
and we are looking for a good place to check them out, save them if = need
  be (they are old after all), remaster CDs from them, etc.
 
Any help would be appreciated
 
Kevin
 
How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)
 
Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org
 
--------------Boundary-00=_EUEI8QL8WCW000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 17:52:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NLnBZ24611; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027a01c4a1b7$14d8dbe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:48:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard Wagner graciously posted a link to the Y2K4 T-shirt artwork if anyone is interested. Go to the bottom third of the page to find the link. I have to make the initial order in just a couple of days so if you are interested now is the time to order one. Again, please contact me off list at rickwalker@looppool.info The price is $15 including shipping. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 19:54:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8NNpXW06628; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:51:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:51:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:51:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: EDP for sale From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A632F2C-0DBB-11D9-995D-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again loopers, I've made the leap to stereo so I'll be selling my vintage :) Oberheim EDP. It has 198 seconds of loop time although it still runs on loop III. I have no idea what to ask for it so I'll just offer it here for the best offer.... Thanks, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 20:06:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O047Y08295; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Freelily3@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.3494a53f.2e84be56@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:03:34 EDT Subject: Re: EDP for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.3494a53f.2e84be56_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6d.3494a53f.2e84be56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi scott are you selling this with a foot pedal as well? i'm interested, rebekah --part1_6d.3494a53f.2e84be56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi scott
are you selling this with a foot pedal as well?
i'm interested,
rebekah --part1_6d.3494a53f.2e84be56_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 20:23:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O0Epa10026; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:14:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:14:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:17:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <027a01c4a1b7$14d8dbe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to make sure, that's at: http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 Thanks Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 23. September 2004 23:49 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up > Go to the bottom third of the page to find the link. > > I have to make the initial order in just a couple of days > so if you are interested now is the time to order one. > > Again, please contact me off list at rickwalker@looppool.info > > The price is $15 including shipping. > > rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 20:30:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O0R4P12468; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1095985610.415369ca8c1fa@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:26:50 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP for sale References: <8A632F2C-0DBB-11D9-995D-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <8A632F2C-0DBB-11D9-995D-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've made the leap to stereo so I'll be selling my vintage :) Oberheim > EDP. > It has 198 seconds of loop time although it still runs on loop III. > I have no idea what to ask for it so I'll just offer it here for the Hey Scott! Haven't talked to you in ages. I didn't know you were on this list. You're welcome to come by the studio with Kelly anytime. Bring your bass! :-) I might want to buy that one off you. I'd like to have an Echoplex at home. I have stereo plexes at the studio. What condition is it in? - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 20:49:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O0gEl15056; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:42:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3178816926_11235448" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3178816926_11235448 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey, looks great. Thanks for posting it. D -- ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com on 9/23/04 8:17 PM, Bernhard Wagner at loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > Just to make sure, that's at: > http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 > > Thanks > Bernhard > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] >> > Sent: Donnerstag, 23. September 2004 23:49 >> > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) >> > Subject: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up > > >> > Go to the bottom third of the page to find the link. >> > >> > I have to make the initial order in just a couple of days >> > so if you are interested now is the time to order one. >> > >> > Again, please contact me off list at rickwalker@looppool.info >> > >> > The price is $15 including shipping. >> > >> > rick > --B_3178816926_11235448 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up Hey, looks great. Thanks for posting it.

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on 9/23/04 8:17 PM, Bernhard Wagner at loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote:

Just to make sure, that's at:
http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4

Thanks
Bernhard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 23. September 2004 23:49
> To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
> Subject: Y2K4 T-shirt artwork link up


> Go to the bottom third of the page to find the link.
>
> I have to make the initial order in just a couple of days
> so if you are interested now is the time to order one.
>
> Again, please contact me off list at rickwalker@looppool.info
>
> The price is $15 including shipping.
>
> rick


 --B_3178816926_11235448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 21:23:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O1KIl19585; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:19:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: SF cello loop gig spam From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hullo loopy loops, On Sept 30th I'm playing a solo cello ( w/ Repeater + Ableton Live) gig at the Makeout Room in San Francisco. I will be opening for the lovely band Halou who will play their ethereal music with synchronized visuals by Stephen Williams of Blasthaus. More about them at www.halou.com. The details are... Thursday, Sept 30 Makeout Room 3225 22nd Street (btw Mission and Valencia) San Francisco music starts 9pm sharp http://www.makeoutroom.com/ Thanks much and long live the loop. best, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 23:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O36GD31591; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.120] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:57:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2004 02:58:06.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[510465A0:01C4A1E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

hi there one and all.

Im just thinking out loud here and im not saying that this is the solution for this paticular problem, however i have thought of a technique that might be fun.

I came up with this as a way of letting me loop with a beginning loop-ist mate with an RC-20.

basically I used a splitter cable on the output of the RC-20 and connected one to his amp and one to the BeatSync jack of the EDP,

On my EDP I would setup to recieve sync to the beat, I would then begin by letting him make a loop to a time of his choosing, then he would turn his output signal down and put that awful metronome up (by the way this is a fun jam thing not a crowdpleasing theatre filler)  and let the beat detect get it and use it to define my loop time.

We are now (as the theory goes) locke togeather using a common time base. al kinds of building up up up fun can be had.

I know its not exacty rocketscience or the next leap forward in tech but it is a goodway to jam and guide someone through a few tricks

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface
>From: "Mark Smart" <mwsmart@insightbb.com> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:37:23 -0500 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Smart" <mwsmart@insightbb.com> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:32 PM >Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync > > > > When you did this, did the EDP respond to both red and green flashes or just >red > > flashes? If it responds to both, it might be possible to get it to respond >only > > to the red ones by putting a diode in series with it, right? If this is a two > > color LED whose color is determined by the direction of the current. > >Oh, wait...they are probably controlling the color by grounding one side of the >LED and connecting the other to +V, right? So you could get it to respond just >to red flashes by only hooking the wire to the side of the LED that gets +V >during a red flash. Easy enough. > >Just thinking out loud... > >Mark Smart >www.marksmart.net >

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 23:15:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O3CfE32540; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: EDP and ground loop hum Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:12:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcShz4JTb06UqwemSjij0SEMi88aqwAERobA In-Reply-To: <1095985610.415369ca8c1fa@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Message-Id: <20040924031218.EHRS20972.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it common for the EDP to cause a hum in the audio system? I've tried moving it away from the speakers, but that didn't seem to help. The salesperson at the Guitar Center recommended a Morley Hum Eliminator. I routed the cables from the mixer, into the Morley, and then out to the speakers, and that helped a little, but there is still some hum there. I'm going to try redoing it, and putting the Morley in between the EDP and the mixer. Am I doing something wrong, wasting my time? I'm using the EDP in a electronic music environment, and none of the other pieces of hardware cause any discernible hum. Perplexed, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 23:37:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O3NZQ02058; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4152DCAE.2020402@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:24:46 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Was: (Gibson jacks up Echoplex price) Now nifty hardware platforms References: <200409231406.i8NE6Ma12311@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200409231406.i8NE6Ma12311@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794ce5d98e0e668d58257379e6f7567dec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.161.232.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Swanky... http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8275095591.html I spent two months this summer trying to go Linux for audio. I'll try again next year. Every year it gets closer, but Linux still lacks a really good MIDI sequencer, IMHO. I managed to get Rosegarden to run on my box, but wasn't really impressed with it. That looks like the best thing going for Linux right now as far as MIDI sequencing, so I guess I'll let it rest until there's something better. For the time being I just boot up XP with Sonar and -- bang -- it works. -J Alan Kroeger wrote: >I just setup a spare box to run Fedora 2 and the install was relatively >trouble free except for the bootloader has one minor issue (have to look at >my bios settings ??? ) Well I might try out Sooper Looper on the Sound >Blaster Audigy card installed in that machine once I get to checking out >whether it is working right ;D >The SB isn't my ideal card but, I know they function under Linux with few >difficulties. I would like to check out one of those Mini Itx boards as that >would be the way I would want to go dedicated hardware as opposed to hauling >a full PC around. > >Your link got scewed up so I will repost the link >http://www.loopit.org/jamma_info.htm > >And once again Sooper Looper (I know it's been posted before) >http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 23:59:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O3lIm05287; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:46:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcShz4JTb06UqwemSjij0SEMi88aqwAERobAAAGjaVA= In-Reply-To: <20040924031218.EHRS20972.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Message-Id: <20040924034647.ESKB26313.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Putting the Morley in between the EDP and the mixer seemed to do better than the first way I tried. Now, there's no discernible noise, unless I push the channel fader all the way up (with the EDP in mute) and then it's just some hiss. However, that's only for testing, because I don't push it up that far. So it seems that I've solved my problem. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP and ground loop hum Is it common for the EDP to cause a hum in the audio system? I've tried moving it away from the speakers, but that didn't seem to help. The salesperson at the Guitar Center recommended a Morley Hum Eliminator. I routed the cables from the mixer, into the Morley, and then out to the speakers, and that helped a little, but there is still some hum there. I'm going to try redoing it, and putting the Morley in between the EDP and the mixer. Am I doing something wrong, wasting my time? I'm using the EDP in a electronic music environment, and none of the other pieces of hardware cause any discernible hum. Perplexed, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 00:20:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O4GTR08607; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c4a1ed$33823970$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: SF cello loop gig spam Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:15:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thursday, Sept 30 > Makeout Room > 3225 22nd Street (btw Mission and Valencia) > San Francisco Hey Zoe, I think I can make it to that one. Would you like me to photograph it for you? Anybody in the East Bay want to car pool? See ya, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 01:22:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O5Enh14252; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:14:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Arthur Lee Land" To: Subject: Live Afrograss Looping Show and Workshop in Denver CO Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:12:56 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c4a1f5$2ae16310$0302a8c0@arthurlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <99AM4B.A.scD.jz6UBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey brothers and sisters of the LOOP, I'll be bringing my One-Man Afrograss Folk Rock Ensemble show to the Swallow Hill Music Assoc. on Fri 9/24. The following day Sat 9/25 I'll be giving a Guitar Performance Workshop that will focus on Live Looping Techniques using the EDP. I've pasted in the press release for the show and workshop below that covers all the details. Also of interest to the LD list would be the article that I wrote for my workshops at The Rocky Mountain Folks Fest Song School entitled "Enhance Your Solo Performance With Live Looping" as well as looping signal flow chart diagram...go to the links at http://www.arthurleemusic.com/html/news.html To hear songs from my live show using the EDP check out my site. Loop on beautiful people! -Arthur Lee Land www.arthurleeland.com ARTHUR LEE LAND - Folk Rock meets "Afrograss" in virtuoso one-man band: Coming to Swallow Hill Sept 24th Electronic "live-looping" brings audiences a new mix; From Nigeria to Nashville Genuine innovation in music comes along only rarely; think the first time you heard Bob Dylan or the Dave Matthews band. In Arthur Lee Land's upcoming performance at Swallow Hill, Denver music-goers have an opportunity to witness one of the more stunning performers gracing the music scene today. After years of touring, Arthur has combined diverse influences and his multi-instrumental talents into a dynamic solo performance that draws on many musical styles yet is uniquely his own: Welcome to.ARTHUR LEE LAND Combining the manifold flavors of West African percussion, funky electric bass, soulful vocals and masterful guitar leads, Arthur Lee Land's one-man Afrograss Folk Rock Ensemble seamlessly utilizes "loop" (live recording) technology to create a soundscape that fills the stage - and unleashes the audience's imagination. Arthur will bring his show to The Tuft Theater of The Swallow Hill Music Assoc. in Denver Colorado on Friday September 24th at 8pm. Arthur will also lead a Guitar Performance Workshop at Swallow Hill on Saturday September 25th from 2:30-4:30pm. Both events co-sponsored by Creative Music Works. www.creativemusicworks.org Arthur Lee Land's local legend is growing fast, since he recently uprooted from his Chicago home to relocate in Colorado. His first performances at the 2002 Rocky Mountain Folks Festival & Song School in Lyons Colorado, coupled with a flat-out inspiring Afrograss demo tape, caught the attention of Grammy Award-winning songwriter and producer Wendy Waldman (Save The Best For Last, Fishin' In the Dark, New Grass Revival) who offered to produce the upcoming Arthur Lee Land CD due out early next year. Arthur was invited to return to the 2003 & 2004 Rocky Mountain Folks Festival & Song School, where his teaching and performances wowed festivarians. He sat in with Peter Himmelman, a 2004 headliner, as well as with many other performers who sought Arthur out for his remarkable guitar skills. Steve Szymanski, vice president of Planet Bluegrass, commenting on Arthur's omnipresence at the Folks Fest, said "This guy exudes musical magic." Arthur's exposure at the festival generated extraordinary sales of his current self-produced CD "Arthur Lee Land." This CD will be available at the Swallow Hill show. Arthur's tour of West Africa in September, 2001 provided a defining event in the development of his musical artistry. His time spent in Ghana and Nigeria spawned Arthur's "Afrograss" vision: a synthesis of African percussion and bluegrass in a folk-rock context. Upon his return to the states, Arthur set about crafting the performance techniques necessary to present his One-Man Afrograss Folk Rock Ensemble, including a vastly entertaining layering, or "looping," of each musical instrument, which unfolds and combines into a final crescendo. Like musical magic, indeed. Arthur's GUITAR PERFORMANCE WORKSHOP will focus on helping guitarists at any level learn to develop their own voice and play "from the inside out." He will also share ways to enhance live performances with "Looping" techniques. Saturday, 9/25, 2:30-4:30pm Early Bird Price: $28/$26 members; Regular Price: $30/$28 members. Arthur Lee Land concert ticket prices: Advance: $10 members / $12 non-mem. Day of: $12 mem / $15 non-mem. Tickets for both concert and workshop can be purchased at Swallow Hill Music Association (303) 777-1003 or online at www.swallowhill.com For more Artist information and MP3's visit www.arthurleeland.com ### From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 03:14:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O75k724649; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040924080016.0280a1a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:05:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:EDP and ground loop hum In-Reply-To: <200409240522.i8O5MuT15370@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409240522.i8O5MuT15370@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6sCXyB.A.z-F.sc8UBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is it common for the EDP to cause a hum in the audio system? no more than any other device with a mains connection > I've tried >moving it away from the speakers, but that didn't seem to help. > >I'm using the EDP in a >electronic music environment, and none of the other pieces of hardware cause >any discernible hum. sounds like a earthing problem. If you try plugging all mains devices into the same socket, that might solve it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 03:15:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8O78SH25057; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:08:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:08:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:10:46 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040924031218.EHRS20972.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My EDP+ hums when fed from the same power source as the rest of my rig (amp in particular) unless I cut the grounding. I always carry two power cables and usually first try the grounded, if it hums, go for the ungrounded. Since the rest of the rig is grounded I believe there's no danger of electric shock... B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > Sent: Freitag, 24. September 2004 05:12 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP and ground loop hum > > > > Is it common for the EDP to cause a hum in the audio system? I've tried > moving it away from the speakers, but that didn't seem to help. > > The salesperson at the Guitar Center recommended a Morley Hum > Eliminator. I > routed the cables from the mixer, into the Morley, and then out to the > speakers, and that helped a little, but there is still some hum there. > > I'm going to try redoing it, and putting the Morley in between the EDP and > the mixer. > > Am I doing something wrong, wasting my time? I'm using the EDP in a > electronic music environment, and none of the other pieces of > hardware cause > any discernible hum. > > Perplexed, > Tom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 07:39:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OBX6K32669; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200409240522.i8O5MuT15370@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409240522.i8O5MuT15370@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:32:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Exquisite Noise on iTunes... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1116096964==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <1QfMBB.A.66H.AXAVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1116096964==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The new cd by bassist Jair-Rohm Parker Wells, "Exquisite Noise" is now up and available on iTunes. "Exquisite Noise" consists entirely of improvisations performed on the Fichter electric upright bass. For those of you who are interested in drones, noise and textual (rather than harmonic) organisation, check it out here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw. For those of you not familiar with Jair-Rohm Parker Wells or his work, he has been a presence on the international bass scene since the 1970s. His activities range from hit recording sessions to recording and touring extensively with the improvising bands Machine Gun (with Thomas Chapin) and Doom Dogs (featuring Reeves Gabrels). You can read more about him here: http://www.skydive.se/~bo/johan/jair/ -- Hear and buy "Exquisite Noise" at cdBaby http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw --============_-1116096964==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Exquisite Noise on iTunes...
The new cd by bassist Jair-Rohm Parker Wells, "Exquisite Noise" is now up and available on iTunes. "Exquisite Noise" consists entirely of improvisations performed on the Fichter electric upright bass. For those of you who are interested in drones, noise and textual (rather than harmonic) organisation, check it out here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw.

For those of you not familiar with Jair-Rohm Parker Wells or his work, he has been a presence on the international bass scene since the 1970s. His activities range from hit recording sessions to recording and touring extensively with the improvising bands Machine Gun (with Thomas Chapin) and Doom Dogs (featuring Reeves Gabrels). You can read more about him here: http://www.skydive.se/~bo/johan/jair/
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Hear and buy "Exquisite Noise" at cdBaby
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--============_-1116096964==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 10:24:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OELxh25755; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:21:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:20:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RC20 - EDP sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hi there one and all. > >Im just thinking out loud here and im not saying that this is the >solution for this paticular problem, however i have thought of a >technique that might be fun. > >I came up with this as a way of letting me loop with a beginning >loop-ist mate with an RC-20. > >basically I used a splitter cable on the output of the RC-20 and >connected one to his amp and one to the BeatSync jack of the EDP, > >On my EDP I would setup to recieve sync to the beat, I would then >begin by letting him make a loop to a time of his choosing, then he >would turn his output signal down and put that awful metronome up >(by the way this is a fun jam thing not a crowdpleasing theatre >filler) and let the beat detect get it and use it to define my loop >time. > >We are now (as the theory goes) locke togeather using a common time >base. al kinds of building up up up fun can be had. this certainly helps to set the looptime the same, but we would not call it locked, unless you record a clear enough attack at the beginning of the RC-20 loop which could be detected by BeatSync. Only then the EDP can continuously correct and stay in sync with the RC-20 otherwise they always fall apart over time. BeatSync is not really smart at detecting rhythm in music, but you can help it with a filter and by setting the level right. and if it detects some beats more during the loop, its not so bad, since the EDP sync only considers pulses that come within a window arround the start of the loop. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 12:09:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OG0E208135; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <23250721.1096041574505.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:59:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <1hCVkB.A.68B.nREVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gang: I know this is a kind of low-tech question, but does anyone know where I can find a schematic of Dan Armstrong's wonderful wiring scheme for the early-eighties low-production Stratocaster simply known as "The Strat"? (Special model, I've only seen one in real life.) I've had no luck with google or yahoo...often close, but no cigar. As the man said in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, "any help you could offer would be, um, most, um, helpful..." Cheers, Tim www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 12:20:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OGDgq10552; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1CAshG1wHV-0007ww@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:13:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <23250721.1096041574505.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSiUIoGv3nGd4OsTeWBBxdPTzvdqQAALyUw Resent-Message-ID: <-TUR0B.A.XkC.keEVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own one...I will email you some pics of what I have. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hey Gang: > I know this is a kind of low-tech question, but does anyone > know where I can find a schematic of Dan Armstrong's > wonderful wiring scheme for the early-eighties low-production > Stratocaster simply known as "The Strat"? (Special model, > I've only seen one in real life.) I've had no luck with > google or yahoo...often close, but no cigar. > > As the man said in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, "any help > you could offer would be, um, most, um, helpful..." > > Cheers, > Tim > www.mungenast.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 13:09:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OH6qf16711; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:06:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040924170559.63252.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1CAshG1wHV-0007ww@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious to know, what is so special about this wiring scheme? I do have some different wiring schemes for the strat, one I did on a strat copy, which I ended up selling when I bought a real fender that could do the same thing sans modification. --- hazard factor wrote: > I own one...I will email you some pics of what I > have. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > I know this is a kind of low-tech question, but > does anyone > > know where I can find a schematic of Dan > Armstrong's > > wonderful wiring scheme for the early-eighties > low-production > > Stratocaster simply known as "The Strat"? > (Special model, > > I've only seen one in real life.) I've had no luck > with > > google or yahoo...often close, but no cigar. > > > > As the man said in Monty Python and the Holy > Grail, "any help > > you could offer would be, um, most, um, > helpful..." > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > www.mungenast.com > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 14:12:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OIACA24612; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:10:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200409241809.i8OI9aa24474@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Nifty RTOS hardware platforms: for looper development Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:09:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4152DCAE.2020402@neoprimitive.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSh54cjdTdL5TTeTEukAvxi/Z3P5gAU056w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Surprisingly I like the Debian Linux best of all I started losing respect for Linux after RedHat got started but, Debian has restored my feelings to the positive side. I think trying to make Linux into Windows (ala Redhat and others is a mistake) I tried out the minimum network install of Debian and found it to be really excelent. I think the problems of Linux are that too many of the installs (script/RPM/Deb) are executed really badly. The dependencies are not clearly stated and then locating the correct dependency is sometimes a real pain and there is commonly something missing in the documentation. If they ever get the installations a little more standardized things might become more productive and Linux being a UNIX could very well become a great audio platform or network client. Still one has to become a little more hardware savvy under Linux (less latency) as opposed to Windows and it's hardware independent approach (more latency) Debian uses APT (Debian Package Manager) which improves things a lot but, still requires some inteligence to use I screwed it up already (doing a post screw up analysis ;D ) So, Windows or Mac is a lot easier for most and will continue to be for quite some time it is a good place for a developer of RTOS apps to go at this time considering Windows Latency (still present in the embedded versions) and Macs high cost. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Was: (Gibson jacks up Echoplex price) Now nifty hardware platforms Swanky... http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8275095591.html I spent two months this summer trying to go Linux for audio. I'll try again next year. Every year it gets closer, but Linux still lacks a really good MIDI sequencer, IMHO. I managed to get Rosegarden to run on my box, but wasn't really impressed with it. That looks like the best thing going for Linux right now as far as MIDI sequencing, so I guess I'll let it rest until there's something better. For the time being I just boot up XP with Sonar and -- bang -- it works. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 15:01:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8OIr9530156; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: " " From: Mark Landman Subject: Looping tools for sale Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:52:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, I thought I'd try these here first, as I'd prefer to deal with folks I know- Eventide H3000 D S/X with manual- $940 Lexicon Vortex with manual and Lexicon 2 button switch- $140 Both units functioning 100%, used in non-smoking studio, as new appearance except minor rack rash (note: no scuffs on faceplates). Shipping costs tbd. Mark 707 792 2715 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 21:45:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8P1gLA17136; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004962515219530@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:52:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f7712a07a29b796a2991559fe216c23c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's so special about it, you ask? Well, each scheme is different, of course, and the wiring on the sexy 11-pound '80s Stratocaster model know simply as "The Strat" had several cool series options. I'm leaning towards another Armstrong scheme, however, one from the 2/87 Guitar Player mag: 9 sounds, including phase reverse, using all stock parts. All you give up is one of the tone controls, which becomes a fader. You get the Robert Cray thing and the "dark jazz box" thing is there waiting as well. I had wired it thusly soon after the article came out, and if I'd have been smart, I woulda kept it that way! Of course, I COULD also muddy the waters further by putting my Torres midrange control in my strat, but at this rate I don't wanna add parts, I just wanna settle on an easily doable, versatile wiring, put the poor guitar back together for good (ha!) and just PLAY it. As for the midrange control, I think I'm gonna save that for a guitar that has maybe too much midrange to start with...cutting mids out of a strat is like stealing pennies from a wino! (LOL) Yours in Danny Kalb's Wonderful Nasal Tone, ~Tim www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: Brian Kupferschmid > To: > Date: 9/24/2004 1:07:06 PM > Subject: RE: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic > > I'm curious to know, what is so special about this > wiring scheme? I do have some different wiring > schemes for the strat, one I did on a strat copy, > which I ended up selling when I bought a real fender > that could do the same thing sans modification. > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > I own one...I will email you some pics of what I > > have. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > > I know this is a kind of low-tech question, but > > does anyone > > > know where I can find a schematic of Dan > > Armstrong's > > > wonderful wiring scheme for the early-eighties > > low-production > > > Stratocaster simply known as "The Strat"? > > (Special model, > > > I've only seen one in real life.) I've had no luck > > with > > > google or yahoo...often close, but no cigar. > > > > > > As the man said in Monty Python and the Holy > > Grail, "any help > > > you could offer would be, um, most, um, > > helpful..." > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Tim > > > www.mungenast.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 02:46:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8P6aqZ18969; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:36:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Etheric Networks of Santa Cruz has graciously offered the use of the bandwidth on their mega servers to simulcast the entire main body of the Y2K4 Live Looping Festival in a couple of weeks. I have no knowledge of what is necessary to make this happen. They told me that I would need a dedicated computer (and I"m guessing a powerful one) and the proper streaming audio software so connect a feed from the two mixing boards on the two stages to their servers. Does anyone out their have the knowledge to advise me what I need to get together to make this happen? I own a desktop 2.4 mghz PC running Win XP with hyperthreading technology and two hard drives (and 80 and a 120 gig). It's pretty damned fast.......20 seconds to complete boot. I also own an Apple laptop G4 867 mghz running OS X that is noticeably slower. Will either of these suffice? Please tell me the Apple will because that would be so damned convenient...............lol. ******************** streaming software recommendations? I don't even know what software I need. Can you help with that? Does anyone have the software that they can loan me for the two days of the event or, even better, does someone want to come help me by being the liason between the mixing board (me) and Etheric (with their equivalent of two T1 servers). Please contact me offlist at RICKWALKER@looppool.info if you can help and thanks so much in advance if there is anyone out there knowledgeable enough to help me make this happen. I have so much e-mail for the festival right now. so please put this in your subject: SIMULCAST HELP so that I don't overlook it. thanks again, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 03:18:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8P7AlV23746; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:10:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:10:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:12:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040925002243.ZQWH5519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the gurus could chime in here, since I only say how I do it and how it works for me and also because there is some danger involved with ungrounded metal housing... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > Sent: Samstag, 25. September 2004 02:23 > To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz > Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum > > > thanks, Bernhard. I'll have to try this over the weekend. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum > > My EDP+ hums when fed from the same power source as the rest of > my rig (amp > in particular) unless I cut the grounding. I always carry two power cables > and usually first try the grounded, if it hums, go for the > ungrounded. Since > the rest of the rig is grounded I believe there's no danger of electric > shock... > B. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 03:44:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8P7bSX27506; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:37:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:37:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP and ground loop hum Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:36:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C4A297.A8A0D310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 07:37:00.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[716B8440:01C4A2D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C4A297.A8A0D310 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001F_01C4A297.A8A0D310" ------=_NextPart_001_001F_01C4A297.A8A0D310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been using an EbTech line/level converter to break a ground loop... = works great, never regretted it. Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bernhard Wagner=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum If the gurus could chime in here, since I only say how I do it and how = it works for me and also because there is some danger involved with = ungrounded metal housing... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > Sent: Samstag, 25. September 2004 02:23 > To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz > Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum > > > thanks, Bernhard. I'll have to try this over the weekend. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:11 AM > To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum > > My EDP+ hums when fed from the same power source as the rest of > my rig (amp > in particular) unless I cut the grounding. I always carry two power = cables > and usually first try the grounded, if it hums, go for the > ungrounded. Since > the rest of the rig is grounded I believe there's no danger of = electric > shock... > B. > ------=_NextPart_001_001F_01C4A297.A8A0D310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been using an EbTech line/level converter to break a ground = loop...=20 works great, never regretted it.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Wagner
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, September 25, = 2004 12:12=20 AM
Subject: RE: EDP and ground = loop=20 hum

If the gurus could chime in here, since I only say how = I do it=20 and how it
works for me and also because there is some danger = involved with=20 ungrounded
metal housing...

> -----Original = Message-----
>=20 From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net]
> Sent: Samstag, 25. = September=20 2004 02:23
> To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
= >=20 Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum
>
>
>  = thanks,=20 Bernhard.  I'll have to try this over the = weekend.
>
>=20 Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernhard = Wagner=20 [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, = 2004=20 12:11 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>=20 Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum
>
> My EDP+ hums when = fed=20 from the same power source as the rest of
> my rig (amp
> = in=20 particular) unless I cut the grounding. I always carry two power=20 cables
> and usually first try the grounded, if it hums, go for=20 the
> ungrounded. Since
> the rest of the rig is grounded = I=20 believe there's no danger of electric
> shock...
>=20 B.
>

------=_NextPart_001_001F_01C4A297.A8A0D310-- ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C4A297.A8A0D310 Content-Type: image/gif; name="greypixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIcAAJmZmQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAP8ALAAAAAABAAEA AAgEAAEEBAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C4A297.A8A0D310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 08:26:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PCOsW26861; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41556267.1050901@mem.li> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:19:51 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: london_gigs_and_radio_show Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080209090000020805090907" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------080209090000020805090907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello all before i will temporarily say goodbye to the list i would like to draw your attention to the following events (zurrigo: solo electric guitar and dynamic loops live in concert): tue, 28th of september @ the klinker club (sussex pub), culford road, london n1 tue, 5th of october @ the swiss church, endell street, london wc2 9dy, phone 02078 361418, doors: 7.00 pm, concert: 7.30 pm, free entry thu, 7th of october @ the cliffs pavilion, station road, southend-on-sea ss0 7ra, phone 01702 351135, 1st set: 9.00 pm 2nd set: 10.00 pm fry, 8th of october @ http://www.resonancefm.com 1.00 to 2.00 pm (english time!) johny brown's "mining for gold" featuring zurrigo live poster: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_ukposter.jpg mp3 demo: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------080209090000020805090907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello all

before i will temporarily say goodbye to the list i would like to draw your attention to the following events (zurrigo: solo electric guitar and dynamic loops live in concert):

tue, 28th of september @ the klinker club (sussex pub), culford road, london n1

tue, 5th of october @ the swiss church, endell street, london wc2 9dy, phone 02078 361418, doors: 7.00 pm, concert: 7.30 pm, free entry

thu, 7th of october @ the cliffs pavilion, station road, southend-on-sea ss0 7ra, phone 01702 351135, 1st  set: 9.00 pm 2nd set: 10.00 pm

fry, 8th of october @ http://www.resonancefm.com 1.00 to 2.00 pm (english time!) johny brown's "mining for gold" featuring zurrigo live


poster: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_ukposter.jpg


mp3 demo: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html

--
Unbenanntes Dokument

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44

--------------080209090000020805090907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 08:27:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PCPY627061; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:27:07 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic To: Timothy Mungenast , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003301c4a2fa$ffef19c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410-22004962515219530@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just by the way, I believe I have the actual schematic and some documents about _why_ it works. Anybody interested can drop me an e-mail off list, and I'll either photocopy and surface mail it or scan it and put it in a pdf file. Danny Kalb! Impacted sinus tone! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: RE: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic > What's so special about it, you ask? Well, each scheme is different, of > course, and the wiring on the sexy 11-pound '80s Stratocaster model know > simply as "The Strat" had several cool series options. > I'm leaning towards another Armstrong scheme, however, one from the 2/87 > Guitar Player mag: 9 sounds, including phase reverse, using all stock > parts. All you give up is one of the tone controls, which becomes a fader. > You get the Robert Cray thing and the "dark jazz box" thing is there > waiting as well. I had wired it thusly soon after the article came out, and > if I'd have been smart, I woulda kept it that way! > > Of course, I COULD also muddy the waters further by putting my Torres > midrange control in my strat, but at this rate I don't wanna add parts, I > just wanna settle on an easily doable, versatile wiring, put the poor > guitar back together for good (ha!) and just PLAY it. As for the midrange > control, I think I'm gonna save that for a guitar that has maybe too much > midrange to start with...cutting mids out of a strat is like stealing > pennies from a wino! (LOL) > Yours in Danny Kalb's Wonderful Nasal Tone, > ~Tim > www.mungenast.com > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Brian Kupferschmid > > To: > > Date: 9/24/2004 1:07:06 PM > > Subject: RE: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic > > > > I'm curious to know, what is so special about this > > wiring scheme? I do have some different wiring > > schemes for the strat, one I did on a strat copy, > > which I ended up selling when I bought a real fender > > that could do the same thing sans modification. > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > > > I own one...I will email you some pics of what I > > > have. > > > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > > > I know this is a kind of low-tech question, but > > > does anyone > > > > know where I can find a schematic of Dan > > > Armstrong's > > > > wonderful wiring scheme for the early-eighties > > > low-production > > > > Stratocaster simply known as "The Strat"? > > > (Special model, > > > > I've only seen one in real life.) I've had no luck > > > with > > > > google or yahoo...often close, but no cigar. > > > > > > > > As the man said in Monty Python and the Holy > > > Grail, "any help > > > > you could offer would be, um, most, um, > > > helpful..." > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tim > > > > www.mungenast.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 12:19:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PGG1620641; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:15:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4A2E0.3C39A000" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSi02PW0xXlx8igTWmeaqhdZJ5nMgARtzIg Message-Id: <20040925161532.YBNZ20972.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4A2E0.3C39A000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C4A2E0.3C3BE9F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C4A2E0.3C3BE9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nic, is that the EbTech line/level shifter? if it is, it also contains their Hum Eliminator technology, which is what I bought. mine has Morley's name on it, so I don't know the connection between the two companies. thanks for the reassurance. Tom _____ From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP and ground loop hum I've been using an EbTech line/level converter to break a ground loop... works great, never regretted it. Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Wagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum If the gurus could chime in here, since I only say how I do it and how it works for me and also because there is some danger involved with ungrounded metal housing... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] > Sent: Samstag, 25. September 2004 02:23 > To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz > Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum > > > thanks, Bernhard. I'll have to try this over the weekend. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum > > My EDP+ hums when fed from the same power source as the rest of > my rig (amp > in particular) unless I cut the grounding. I always carry two power cables > and usually first try the grounded, if it hums, go for the > ungrounded. Since > the rest of the rig is grounded I believe there's no danger of electric > shock... > B. > ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C4A2E0.3C3BE9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nic, is = that the EbTech=20 line/level shifter?  if it is, it also contains their Hum = Eliminator=20 technology, which is what I bought.  mine has Morley's name on it, = so I=20 don't know the connection between the two companies.
 
thanks for = the=20 reassurance.
 
Tom

From: Nic Roozeboom = [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com]=20
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:36 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP and = ground loop=20 hum

I've been using an EbTech line/level converter to break a ground = loop...=20 works great, never regretted it.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Wagner
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, September 25, = 2004 12:12=20 AM
Subject: RE: EDP and ground = loop=20 hum

If the gurus could chime in here, since I only say how = I do it=20 and how it
works for me and also because there is some danger = involved with=20 ungrounded
metal housing...

> -----Original = Message-----
>=20 From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net]
> Sent: Samstag, 25. = September=20 2004 02:23
> To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
= >=20 Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum
>
>
>  = thanks,=20 Bernhard.  I'll have to try this over the = weekend.
>
>=20 Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernhard = Wagner=20 [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, = 2004=20 12:11 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>=20 Subject: RE: EDP and ground loop hum
>
> My EDP+ hums when = fed=20 from the same power source as the rest of
> my rig (amp
> = in=20 particular) unless I cut the grounding. I always carry two power=20 cables
> and usually first try the grounded, if it hums, go for=20 the
> ungrounded. Since
> the rest of the rig is grounded = I=20 believe there's no danger of electric
> shock...
>=20 B.
>

------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C4A2E0.3C3BE9F0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4A2E0.3C39A000 Content-Type: image/gif; name="greypixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIcAAJmZmQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAP8ALAAAAAABAAEA AAgEAAEEBAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4A2E0.3C39A000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 13:16:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PHDil29198; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c4a121$5b987f90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004201c4a121$5b987f90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:07:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival T-shirts advanced order Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:56 PM -0700 9/22/04, loop.pool wrote: >If you are interested, e-mail me your t-shirt size and then send a >check or money order (made out to Rick Walker) for $15 (USD) to. I'll take one "large" -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 15:46:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PJeT514921; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:37:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yellow, Does the Echoplex Pro Plus, version IV's MIDI functions work with the Rocktron Midi Mate? Thanks, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 17:02:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PKt2x24377; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c4a342$67ffc180$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents cheryl o and friends Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:58:27 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 28th - cheryl o and friends All she ever wants for her birthday is to jam with her friends... so ambient/experimental cellist cheryl o is celebrating in the new PiNG venue with an evening of improv with quasiMODAL and extra-special-guest percussionist Joe Sorbara. In the style of Planet of the Loops, the 1st set will begin with a duet with cheryl and Joe, later joined by guitarist Michael Keith whenever the mood strikes him. (Watch out!) The 2nd set will be quasiMODAL (including synthguy Steven Sauve) featuring percussionist Sorbara. (The first quasiMODAL CD release will be available at the ping things table.) cheryl o, cello, loops, electronics - http://www.cellojuice.com Michael Keith, guitar + toys - http://www.michaelkeith.com Steven Sauve, synth, loops - http://www.karmafarm.ca Joe Sorbara, percussion - http://www.joesorbara.com Between Sets CD - "Mantram" by Steve Roach, Byron Metcalf and Mark Seelig Organic electronic textures, tamboura and didgeridoo drones envelope throbbing percussion and moaning Bansuri flute as this talented trio weave a hypnotic sonic mandala. (Available at ping things.) http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Oct. 5th - Nik Beeson & John Kameel Farah. www.nikbeeson.com www.johnfarah.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Holding the Space: Fever Dreams II" by Steve Roach With his latest release "Holding the Space: Fever Dreams II", Steve Roach builds and expands on ideas and themes touched upon in his "Fever Dreams" disc from earlier this year. Creating spaces by combining intricate rhythms with deep washes of sound, he's woven a beautiful tapestry of sound sure to appeal to both new and old fans alike. "The Wounded Healer" opens the disc, a work of flowing liquid pads blending and growing overtop a weaving hypnotic percussive pattern. Listening to this track it's easy to be drawn in, led to another plane of thought. And from here our journey begins... Track two, "Energy Wall" uses a series of rhythmic patterns gaining in complexity with each passing moment, building upon each other to create a solid mass of moving sound. There's a strong sense of connection made in this track between the listener and the music, a feeling that one is drawing strength from the other at alternating times. Masterful work. "Opening the Space" combines voice and didgeridoo to create a haunting example of organic ambience, the piece quite literally being infused with the breath of it's creators. Ritual magic is at play here, a feeling of spirits being called down to earth, the vocals of Jennifer Grais inviting elder ghosts to commune with the living. A suggestion of old wisdom and forgotten secrets. Spellbinding. "Heart's Core" draws on similar ideas of ritual, adding drums courtesy of Byron Metcalf and bass work to suggest a ceremony, shared experience between the living and the dead. Rapturous and groove laden, there's the idea of celebration deep in the heart of this one. "Fires Burning" brings to mind the sharing of wisdom, secrets being passed between generations, the mysteries of life laid bare for those who are brave enough to ask the right questions. Lush tones sweep throughout, interwoven with fretless grooves and flowing vocals. A fantastic piece that scales dizzying heights. I'm left breathless. With closing track "Holding the Space" the disc and all of it's ideas are drawn together and expanded upon. A slowly evolving environment that builds in complexity throughout the course of it's 23 minutes, it captures the journey of self awareness, of coming to know oneself, of finding meaning not from outside sources but from within. A truly moving piece leading to self reflection and contemplation. Beautiful. >From beginning to end "Holding the Space: Fever Dreams II" is an incredible work that truly captures a feeling of inner growth and development. The pieces collected here are all both inspired and inspiring, infused with a sense of magic that stays with you long after the disc has finished. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 17:55:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PLqVJ32490; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:52:51 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice In-reply-to: <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > > > Yellow, > Does the Echoplex Pro Plus, version IV's MIDI functions work with the > Rocktron Midi Mate? I would say no, at least not well. The MidiMate like a lot of lower-end foot pedals primarily spews program changes. The EDP needs notes or continuous controllers in addition to program changes to select presets. The MidiMate cannot send notes. It can send controllers but it isn't very flexible. When configured for "instant access" you get 5 buttons for control change messages and 5 for what it calls "presets" which can send a combination of program changes and control changes. I think the control changes were limited to the 5 you could assign to the buttons, but I'm not sure. The unit is primarily designed to control guitar rigs with an effects patchbay. The control buttons are all "toggle" style which is what you want for a patchbay, you can't have "momentary" buttons. Lack of momentary buttons means you you can't do true SUS functions from the EDP. You have to press the button twice to get the same behavior as a press/release of a momentary button. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 19:59:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PNuAa12082; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:56:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:53:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 25, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> >> >> Yellow, >> Does the Echoplex Pro Plus, version IV's MIDI functions work with the >> Rocktron Midi Mate? > Thanks Jeff, They say it will do 5 control changes and I've been beating my head against the wall I take it. That's really all I needed with the Echoplex foot controller. Do you know anything about the Rocktron All Access pedal. That may be the trick to get all the MIDI out of the Echoplex. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 23:04:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8Q2w3a31213; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:58:21 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] In-reply-to: <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1Jv9UD.A.imH.cAjVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > > > They say it will do 5 control changes and I've been beating my head > against the wall I take it. That's really all I needed with the > Echoplex foot controller. Do you know anything about the Rocktron All > Access pedal. That may be the trick to get all the MIDI out of the > Echoplex. The All Access is the most powerful foot controller on the market today. It will do everything you need and more. But it is very expensive, the cheapest I've seen it go for on eBay is around $600. The usual outlets like Musicians Friend don't seem to carry it, I'm not sure if it's because it isn't a high volume item or if Rocktron isn't distributing it anymore. If all you want to control is an EDP with control changes, and send program changes to at most 5 other devices, the Behringer FCB1010 is the best value today at around $150. It's about the same price as the MidiMate. Overall the Behringer is more flexible as it supports momentary buttons and has builtin expression pedals, but it is somewhat limited in the number of MIDI channels you can use. The MidiMate can send messages on all 16 MIDI channels on any button, but it doesn't support momentary buttons. The MidiMate does not support SYSEX dumps which let you save and restore all of your button programs, the Beheringer does. The Behringer is one of the larger pedals, the MidiMate is relatively compact. I ended up with a Ground Control Pro which is roughly in between the Beheringer and the All Access. Like the All Access the GCP buttons are arranged in a multi-row grid with high quality but "clicky" buttons. Some people don't like these buttons because they're audible and you have to think harder when you press them to avoid accidentally pressing an adjacent button. The GCP is quite acceptable for the EDP and is around $400 from MF. With any foot controller, you have to comfortable with MIDI concepts in order to program it effectively. The MidMate manual is available online, if you're considering one I advise you read it and think about how you would program it for your situation. If you can get a good deal one one, say $75 or less, and you're willing to live without momentary buttons, it may be ok. But if you only need to control the EDP and aren't concerned about size, the FCB is better. If you have a complicated rig in addition to the EDP, consider the GCP or the All Access. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 23:34:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8Q3VUH07440; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:31:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:31:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <49B860E6-0F6C-11D9-AA0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:29:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <83VXBB.A.zyB.yfjVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Jeff, Thanks a lot. I purchased a Midi mate already and it is not enough. I have a 1010 coming back to me by mail. Sold it to a guy on ebay and decided to cancel the transaction because the guy was way too demanding and a jerk. Wanted quicker shipping than he paid for. I'm going to call Rocktron tomorrow and see what the hey I can get out of them. The dealer I used Online, Tunnelvisionmusic.com has been most unresponsive and I don't want to deal with them/him/it. Going to Y2K4? I'll be there. I'm going to play but I'm really there to journalize and learn. Larry Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 04:27:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8Q8LEg21573; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10318085.1096186839190.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:20:39 -0700 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Making cables (hope this isn't OT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 211.124.92.95/instID=19 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a lot of effects and lots of cables. So a cable making question shouldn?t be too off topic, I hope. I have about 30 meters of cable (Canare L-4E6S) which a sound guy recommended for making cables. It is shielded and has four wires (two pairs) in the core. The connections I?m making are between my echoplex, G-major, preamp, power amp, drum machine and computer to mixer, as well as some balanced microphone cables. I?ve heard and read conflicting stories of the correct way to make cables. Yesterday the man at the place where I bought the plugs told me that I should use both wires from one of the pairs for the tip and the other pair for the sleeve, leaving the shield unattached at both ends. That didn't sound right. L-D list members seem incredibly well-informed on a broad range of topics. Perhaps someone would be so kind as to set me straight on the right way to make balanced and unbalanced cables with this cable (two pairs in the core). Can I make MIDI cables with the same cable? Thanks, TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 05:16:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8Q9EDe31414; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:34:08 -0700 Subject: Re: just for LD list members... From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3179010849_146488_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <9sSBW.A.RqH.ThoVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3179010849_146488_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/1/04 3:28 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com at goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>I have gmail invitations to give out to LD members. If you're interested, please contact me off-list.<< what the heck is gmail? d. greetings. is the gmail invitation still happening? ive been getting ready for Y2K4 and am just getting around to checking gmail out. any info is greatly appreciated. take care. thanks. are-jay hoffmann electronic drums-n-bass-n-violin-n-erhu/looper --MS_Mac_OE_3179010849_146488_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: just for LD list members... on 9/1/04 3:28 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com at goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wro= te:


>>I have gmail invitations to give out to LD members. =  If you're
interested, please contact me off-list.<<

what the heck is gmail?

d.

greetings. is the gmail invitation still happening? ive been getting ready = for Y2K4 and am just getting around to checking gmail out. any info is great= ly appreciated. take care. thanks.

are-jay hoffmann
electronic drums-n-bass-n-violin-n-erhu/looper

--MS_Mac_OE_3179010849_146488_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 05:21:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8Q9E8531408; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:14:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:14:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040926091342.87445.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <49B860E6-0F6C-11D9-AA0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this guys have also the all access and will ship it right away with 14 day return policy http://www.jacksmusicstore.com/catalog/ftd-amp-rtn-i~ALLACC Cheers Luis --- Larry Cooperman wrote: > > hey Jeff, > > Thanks a lot. I purchased a Midi mate already and > it is not enough. I > have a 1010 coming back to me by mail. Sold it to a > guy on ebay and > decided to cancel the transaction because the guy > was way too demanding > and a jerk. Wanted quicker shipping than he paid > for. > > I'm going to call Rocktron tomorrow and see what the > hey I can get out > of them. The dealer I used Online, > Tunnelvisionmusic.com has been most > unresponsive and I don't want to deal with > them/him/it. > > Going to Y2K4? I'll be there. I'm going to play > but I'm really there > to journalize and learn. > > Larry > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 11:02:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QF0db17917; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:00:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:00:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week's dose of acoustic guitar live looping for the Seattle area, a couple of new venues this week, and an old favorite: Tuesday, September 28, 7-9PM, Living:Room (Fremont), 4301 Fremont Ave. N Friday, October 1, 7-10PM, Columbia City Art Gallery, 4864 Rainier Ave. S. (part of First Friday Beatwalk) Saturday, October 2, 8-10PM, Blue Dog Coffeehouse, 5509 University Ave. NE All shows are no cover. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 12:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QGRc327939; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f04092609273300c18f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:27:05 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Making cables (hope this isn't OT) In-Reply-To: <10318085.1096186839190.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <10318085.1096186839190.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:20:39 -0700, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > L-D list members seem incredibly well-informed on a broad range of topics. Perhaps someone would be so kind as to set me straight on the right way to make balanced and unbalanced cables with this cable (two pairs in the core). Can I make MIDI cables with the same cable? > Not sure if this will help. http://www.crapehanger.com/cable/guitar-cable.gif http://www.crapehanger.com/cable/speaker-cable.gif From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 13:07:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QH5aG01464; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:05:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0CCF08AA-0FDE-11D9-B091-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:03:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 25, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Ground Control Pro, Jeff, How many control changes can you do with the Ground Control in total? Will it take care of about all of the Echoplex's MIDI functions? Thanks, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 14:32:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QITNh13104; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:29:49 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] In-reply-to: <0CCF08AA-0FDE-11D9-B091-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41570A9D.9010609@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> <0CCF08AA-0FDE-11D9-B091-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: <22MCJ.A.iLD.ppwVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Ground Control Pro can send 8 control change messages when configured for "instant access" buttons. In this mode, the top two rows of 8 buttons send control changes, the bottom row of 4 buttons (plus 2 bank switch buttons) select "presets" which may send up to 8 program changes with bank select. Each of the 8 instant access buttons can be configured as toggle or momentary. Buttons can only send one control change message on one of 8 configured MIDI channels. Preset buttons can only send program changes. The biggest limitation of the GCP is that the instant access buttons cannot be configured differently for each preset, they are global. What this means for the EDP is that you can control at most 8 DirectMIDI functions. In that respect, the FCB is more flexible since it can send control change messages with each preset allowing you to access every DirectMIDI function, albeit with a lot of bank switch dancing. The FCB is less flexible than the GCP in terms of the number of MIDI devices you can send control changes to. The FCB can address 2 MIDI channels if you don't use momentary buttons, and 1 if you do. The GCP can address 8 MIDI channels, with or without momentary buttons. I ended up choosing the GCP because I can work around the instant access button limitations with a computer, and I liked the smaller size. If I gigged without a computer, I would probably have gotten the All Access instead. The All Access has a similar configuration of instant access and preset selection buttons. The main advantage is that the control change messages sent on the instant access buttons can be different for each preset. This would allow you to call all of the DirectMIDI functions. Some other features of the All Access: - supports all 16 MIDI channels at once - preset buttons send up to 16 program changes plus 5 other messages of any type - preset buttons may send a sysex string of up to 30 bytes - can define song/set sequences of presets The All Access is about $350 more than the GCP and about $600 more than the Behringer. Frankly I think this price is insane for what it does, MIDI foot controllers aren't that damn complicated. But sadly there's nothing on the market that competes with it. I'm rather disappointed with Behringer, how much hardware cost could they possibly be saving with their MIDI channel limitations? All they need is a little more memory and a descent OS, sell it for $50 more, and they could blow away everything out there. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 15:14:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QJ87R20144; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:08:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:08:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <41570A9D.9010609@sun.com> References: <014301c4a2c9$fdcd4170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6577166A-0F2A-11D9-B677-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4155E8B3.50304@sun.com> <1AEFFCBA-0F4E-11D9-8DF7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4156304D.1020109@sun.com> <0CCF08AA-0FDE-11D9-B091-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <41570A9D.9010609@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <28115D86-0FEF-11D9-BD12-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:06:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jeff, I have no choice but to get the All Access. I was considering buying a fairly powerful MIDI keyboard controller and using my nose to press keys. No kidding. I have a guitar student that uses his nose for certain bass notes in counterpoint. I'm just looking for full control of the EDP and the All Access seems like it with no nose. So much stuff, so little time. I ordered the EDP pedal board and I'll be safe for my performance at Y2K4. I'll try to get out of the MIDI Mate, a week old and clean. I really appreciate your help and look forward to meeting all of you guys, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 15:18:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QJBS921071; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040926191104.51836.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41570A9D.9010609@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beware! one thing that kills the all access as a looper controller is how loud the switches are! Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > The Ground Control Pro can send 8 control change > messages when > configured for "instant access" buttons. In this > mode, the top two > rows of 8 buttons send control changes, the bottom > row of 4 buttons > (plus 2 bank switch buttons) select "presets" which > may send up to > 8 program changes with bank select. > > Each of the 8 instant access buttons can be > configured as toggle or > momentary. Buttons can only send one control change > message on > one of 8 configured MIDI channels. Preset buttons > can only send > program changes. > > The biggest limitation of the GCP is that the > instant access buttons > cannot be configured differently for each preset, > they are global. > What this means for the EDP is that you can control > at most 8 > DirectMIDI functions. In that respect, the FCB is > more flexible since > it can send control change messages with each preset > allowing you to > access every DirectMIDI function, albeit with a lot > of bank > switch dancing. > > The FCB is less flexible than the GCP in terms of > the number of MIDI > devices you can send control changes to. The FCB > can address 2 > MIDI channels if you don't use momentary buttons, > and 1 if you do. > The GCP can address 8 MIDI channels, with or without > momentary buttons. > > I ended up choosing the GCP because I can work > around the > instant access button limitations with a computer, > and I liked > the smaller size. If I gigged without a computer, I > would > probably have gotten the All Access instead. > > The All Access has a similar configuration of > instant access > and preset selection buttons. The main advantage is > that > the control change messages sent on the instant > access buttons > can be different for each preset. This would allow > you to call > all of the DirectMIDI functions. Some other > features of > the All Access: > > - supports all 16 MIDI channels at once > - preset buttons send up to 16 program changes > plus > 5 other messages of any type > - preset buttons may send a sysex string of up to > 30 bytes > - can define song/set sequences of presets > > The All Access is about $350 more than the GCP and > about $600 more > than the Behringer. Frankly I think this price is > insane for what it > does, MIDI foot controllers aren't that damn > complicated. But sadly > there's nothing on the market that competes with it. > I'm rather > disappointed with Behringer, how much hardware cost > could they > possibly be saving with their MIDI channel > limitations? All they need > is a little more memory and a descent OS, sell it > for $50 more, and > they could blow away everything out there. > > > Jeff > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 15:25:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QJIS822498; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040926191104.51836.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040926191104.51836.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:16:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 26, 2004, at 12:11 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > Beware! one thing that kills the all access as a > looper controller is how loud the switches are! > Luis > Yeah Luis, I heard about that but I think it will be OK. At least they can be stomped and hold up, right? Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 15:43:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QJfZJ26348; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.283405c.2e88754b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: request for a Dan Armstrong schematic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Came across a book at local bookstore today, first pub. in 1983, don't know if twas updated: Guitar Electronics for Musicians by David Brosnac ISBN 0.7119.0232.1 A bunch of schematics, I couldn't remember what was being looked for on the list. 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------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C4A40D.3F0F8B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 16:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QKSNL01597; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:28:56 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41572688.80007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <20040926191104.51836.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 26, 2004, at 12:11 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > >> Beware! one thing that kills the all access as a >> looper controller is how loud the switches are! > I think the All Access uses the same switches as the Ground Control Pro which I have. Yes, they make noise. How significant this is probably depends on your stage volume. I can imagine this being a real problem for mic'd acoustic instruments, the button noise will make it into the loop. It's less of an issue for electric instruments. While I love the All Access, I'd still think hard about how much control you actually need at your feet. The Behringer combined with a control surface like the Novation Remote 25 will give you a phenomenal amount of control and still cost less than an All Access. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 17:56:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8QLrZe13335; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:53:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <41572688.80007@sun.com> References: <20040926191104.51836.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> <41572688.80007@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <439CBF8A-1006-11D9-A4E6-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:51:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <3p2HBD.A.8PD.FpzVBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Loud as hell switches. What about the bass pedals, like the Roland PK-5 or 7? They'll act as a controller and have a mode for it. That may be the whole thing. 13 keys on the 5 and 19 on the 7. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 20:27:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R0Ofs29468; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:24:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:24:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:23:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <439CBF8A-1006-11D9-A4E6-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Thread-Index: AcSkFEP6uLQiEsuaSOqI7y4R3/DXBgAE1B8A Message-Id: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have these too and while they can be used to great effect, the footprint is huge (pun? You decide) and the message is limited--as I mentioned to Larry by pmail, sometimes it's nice not to be limited by the size of your MIDI message. I gotta think the Behringer combined with a control surface is a good way to go. Gary Original message: What about the bass pedals, like the Roland PK-5 or 7? They'll act as a controller and have a mode for it. That may be the whole thing. 13 keys on the 5 and 19 on the 7. Larry Cooperman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 20:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R0Vh830634; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:31:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <644CE4EA-101C-11D9-9ADB-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:30:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking into these bass pedals or as in the case of the Fatar MP 117, a dedicated MIDI controller but to what extent I don't know. At Roland and Fatar no manuals for download, there is an extremely poor explanation and just not enough information about control changes. Bass pedals are nice and quiet. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 21:52:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R1pka05849; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4157721B.3060300@finleysound.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:51:23 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] References: <20040926191104.51836.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMO, I don't think the All Access switches are that loud.  That being said, I primarily play and loop electric guitar.  I do really like the tactile "clunk" you get when you press the switches - you know immediately whether or not you actually hit the switch.  

Matt

L. Angulo wrote:
Beware! one thing that kills the all access as a
looper controller is how loud the switches are!
Luis
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 22:55:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R2rq210874; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:53:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:53:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:53:32 -0700 From: delighted looper Reply-To: delighted looper To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just for LD list members... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C56@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's google's comptetitor to hotmail. Highlights: - 1 gig of space - threaded discussion - targetted advertising (more on that later) I just got one myself, specificly so I could rejoin looper's delight, rather than perusing the archives every once in a while, as I have been for the a long time. A gmail account is especially useful for this group, since the looper's delight archives are freely open for all search engines and spam bots, and since you can only post to the list from a subscribed address. Since everyone's addresses are in the archives, and open for all, spam is an inevitability. Since it's a mailing list, hotmail accounts quickly get filled unless you empty them frequently. The reason you are hearing about 'gmail invites' is a pretty crafty scheme on google's part: it's only via a limited number of invitations from current users. They've achieved a level of online 'cachet' far outstripping their actual usefulness - it's just a free email account after all - and this has also allowed them to scale the growth of the service to make sure that the infastructure to support it grows seamlessly. There's also a rather controversial feature built in to gmail accounts however: the targeted advertising. Google pays for the services by delivering targeted links (down the right side, a bit like their search engine does) by searches through your mail for keywords: a machine is looking over my shoulder as I write this and determining what ads to serve me based on what I write down. (They are all musical links, surprise surprise). Some people feel this is a dangerous breach of privacy; you need to make up your own mind. Personally, I've got no problem with a machine reading my looper's delight mailing list posts, especially considering that they are all posted to the internet and read by hundreds of machines as soon as they hit the archives. At least google isn't going to use it to spam me... So if you want one, let me know: I have a few invites available myself. bIz (back from the dead :>) ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- silence" .... http://www.igloomag.com bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: MidiMate vs All access [was Re: Simulcast of Y2K4: I need advice] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41572688.80007@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just think if u are starting a quiet ambient soundscape or doing multiple inserts for example and hearing those clunky switches it is really distracting for the audience.The behringer switches i must say are great for that,plus u can´t beat the price! cheers Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: > On Sep 26, 2004, at 12:11 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > > >> Beware! one thing that kills the all access as a > >> looper controller is how loud the switches are! > > > > I think the All Access uses the same switches as the > Ground Control Pro > which I have. Yes, they make noise. How > significant this is probably > depends > on your stage volume. I can imagine this being a > real problem for mic'd > acoustic instruments, the button noise will make it > into the loop. It's > less > of an issue for electric instruments. > > While I love the All Access, I'd still think hard > about how much control > you actually need at your feet. The Behringer > combined with a control > surface like the Novation Remote 25 will give you a > phenomenal amount > of control and still cost less than an All Access. > > Jeff > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 04:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R847b04880; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040927085858.0282a4c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:03:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Making cables (hope this isn't OT) In-Reply-To: <200409270034.i8R0YvW31211@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409270034.i8R0YvW31211@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >to make balanced and unbalanced cables with this cable (two pairs in the >core). balanced:- pair a.............+VE pair b.............-VE screen ..........earth you may need to disconnect the screen at the "input to device" end unbalanced pair a ............+VE pair b and screen....earth >Can I make MIDI cables with the same cable? yes andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 04:17:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R8B2w05473; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:11:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:11:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--146162108 From: Chris Puglisi Subject: Repeater for sale:eBay plug Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:40:38 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <0MoURD.A.0UB.Gs8VBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--146162108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, If anyone is interested I am selling my Repeater with a Digitech FS200. Check it out at http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3751333827&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:AU:1 cheers chris pug --Apple-Mail-1--146162108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi, If anyone is interested I am selling my Repeater with a Digitech FS200. Check it out at Arialhttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3751333827&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:AU:1 Arialcheers chris pug --Apple-Mail-1--146162108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 04:58:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8R8pFX09094; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:51:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040927035340.50084.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040927035340.50084.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A433659-1062-11D9-9A45-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Raxxess Converta Rack vs. ??? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:50:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:53, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Lately, I've been looking at the Raxxess Converta > Rack: > http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=199 > > Anybody use one of these or can recommend a competing > product (remember, I like the folding top for my XL7)? Hi Paulo, I've been using a similar thing from Gator, pictured here: http://www.looproom.com/livelooping.php The Gator rack case could take a lot inside its belly. Good for getting off stage quickly at festivals when you have to make place for the next act in two minutes (just jamming everything into the box and locking it, to clean up the mess later). The down side is transporting by hand. The Gator is a little too deep to balance safely on a little cart. So you might have to put wheels on it and be two persons to lift it into a car. Regards per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 07:22:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RBKRn21342; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:20:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:20:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1096283973!20975201 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557D22@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Making cables (hope this isn't OT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:12:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4A482.D4FE8410" Resent-Message-ID: <1ky3Z.A.EMF.Md_VBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A482.D4FE8410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have about 30 meters of cable (Canare L-4E6S) which a sound guy recommended for making cables. It is shielded and has four wires (two pairs) in the core. The connections I?m making are between my echoplex, G-major, preamp, power amp, drum machine and computer to mixer, as well as some balanced microphone cables. I?ve heard and read conflicting stories of the correct way to make cables. Yesterday the man at the place where I bought the plugs told me that I should use both wires from one of the pairs for the tip and the other pair for the sleeve, leaving the shield unattached at both ends. That didn't sound right.<< it isn't. the cable you have there sounds like "star-quad" or similar, designed to bring extra benefits to the principle of balanced cabling. for the balanced cables you make (& remember you'll only see the benefit of using balanced wiring when the equipment at either end of the cable supports it), use the overall shield to the shield connection, & treat the two pairs of inner wires as one wire each. they go to tip & ring, or hot & cold in y'r XLR connector. there's a reason why the two wires in each pair are twisted together..... it improves the rejection of unwanted noise coming from outside the cable. y'r man got that bit right.... unbalanced is easier. you can either ignore one of the inner pairs or join it to the shield at both ends. use the other inner pair as normal. there /are/ situations where one might leave a shield connection off at /one/ end- trying to deal with a ground-loop without interfering with the mains wiring would be one such. but your guy at the store has it wrong. >>Can I make MIDI cables with the same cable?<< yes- again, treat each inner pair as one wire. connect shield to the middle pin of the DIN plug at both ends, & the inners to the two pins immediately to it's left & right, keeping the orientation the same at both ends. don't connect anything to the outer pair of pins unless you are sure these pins are unused in the equipment. I use these connections to carry power around but that falls outside the midi standard. hth- duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A482.D4FE8410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Making cables (hope this isn't OT)

>>I have about 30 meters of cable (Canare L-4E6S) w= hich a sound guy recommended for making cables. It is shielded and has four= wires (two pairs) in the core. The connections I?m making are between my e= choplex, G-major, preamp, power amp, drum machine and computer to mixer, as= well as some balanced microphone cables. I?ve heard and read conflicting s= tories of the correct way to make cables. Yesterday the man at the place wh= ere I bought the plugs told me that I should use both wires from one of the= pairs for the tip and the other pair for the sleeve, leaving the shield un= attached at both ends. That didn't sound right.<<

it isn't. the cable you have there sounds like "star= -quad" or similar, designed to bring extra benefits to the principle o= f balanced cabling.

for the balanced cables you make (& remember you'll o= nly see the benefit of using balanced wiring when the equipment at either e= nd of the cable supports it), use the overall shield to the shield connecti= on, & treat the two pairs of inner wires  as one wire each. they g= o to tip & ring, or hot & cold in y'r XLR connector. there's a reas= on why the two wires in each pair are twisted together..... it improves the= rejection of unwanted noise coming from outside the cable. y'r man got tha= t bit right....

unbalanced is easier. you can either ignore one of the in= ner pairs or join it to the shield at both ends. use the other inner pair a= s normal.

there /are/ situations where one might leave a shield con= nection off at /one/ end- trying to deal with a ground-loop without interfe= ring with the mains wiring would be one such. but your guy at the store has= it wrong.

>>Can I make MIDI cables with the same cable?<&l= t;

yes- again, treat each inner pair as one wire. connect sh= ield to the middle pin of the DIN plug at both ends, & the inners to th= e two pins immediately to it's left & right, keeping the orientation th= e same at both ends. don't connect anything to the outer pair of pins unles= s you are sure these pins are unused in the equipment. I use these connecti= ons to carry power around but that falls outside the midi standard.<= /P>

hth-

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4A482.D4FE8410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 09:24:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RDLNI01115; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ErnstPWrrl@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:20:35 EDT Subject: Looping rookie needs advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1096291235" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1096291235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm just getting started with the concept of live looping, so I'm looking for all the help I can get. First, I'm a drumset player. I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about doing this, especially when it comes to gear. I have a Boss SP-505 on order, which may or may not do the trick. From looking around at the setups of different people on the LD profiles page, it looks like a lot of folks are using the Echoplex. Any thoughts? In any case, my real quandary is about how to transmit sounds to the machine and then get it to a club's soundboard. I'm not sure whether I should mic every drum, send it through a mixer, and then send a feed to a sound guy, or what? The problem then, of course, is that I would have two mics on every drum -- mine and the clubs. No something I want to do. But, well....? I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on the subjects -- I've been super psyched about getting into live looping for awhile now, and I want to do it right. Thanks, and glad to be here. Benjy P. St. Louis. -------------------------------1096291235 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'm just getting started with the concept of live looping, so I'm looki= ng for all the help I can get. 
 
First, I'm a drumset player.  I'm trying to figure out the best wa= y to go about doing this, especially when it comes to gear.  I have&nbs= p;a Boss SP-505 on order, which may or may not do the trick.  From look= ing around at the setups of different people on the LD profiles page, it loo= ks like a lot of folks are using the Echoplex.  Any thoughts? 
 
In any case, my real quandary is about how to transmit sounds to the ma= chine and then get it to a club's soundboard.  I'm not sure whether I s= hould mic every drum, send it through a mixer, and then send a feed to a sou= nd guy, or what?  The problem then, of course, is that I would have two= mics on every drum -- mine and the clubs.  No something I want to do.&= nbsp; But, well....?
 
I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on the subjects -- I've been super=20= psyched about getting into live looping for awhile now, and I want to do it=20= right.
 
Thanks, and glad to be here.
Benjy P.
St. Louis.
-------------------------------1096291235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 13:21:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RHCrk32315; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:12:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:12:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:12:45 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) In-reply-to: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: >I have these too and while they can be used to great effect, the footprint >is huge (pun? You decide) and the message is limited--as I mentioned to >Larry by pmail, sometimes it's nice not to be limited by the size of your >MIDI message. > > I was interested in one of these too, but abandoned it because there were no good online docs. Can the switches above the keyboard pedals be programmed to send control changes? From the little I read, it sounded like you can make it send messages on all channels, but you have to bend down and twiddle a channel selection knob. There didn't seem to be anything like "presets" where you can save different pedal/channel/controller configurations and call them up with your feet. I did see that it can send program changes but not bank select. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 13:41:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RHbwd03629; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41584FD0.1000407@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:37:20 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799a1197054197ffe2beb1428410066d12350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.161.232.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had one of those things once. I don't think it'd be any good for controlling an EDP. You can't program the pedals individually. You have one octave of notes C to C. You can change the octave, but that's it. Besides, the long throw of the pedals would make rhythmic accuity crap-a-dap. And it's heavy, and it's big. Forget about it and buy an FCB1010. -J Jeff Larson wrote: > Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> I have these too and while they can be used to great effect, the >> footprint >> is huge (pun? You decide) and the message is limited--as I mentioned to >> Larry by pmail, sometimes it's nice not to be limited by the size of >> your >> MIDI message. >> >> > I was interested in one of these too, but abandoned it because there > were no good online docs. > Can the switches above the keyboard pedals be programmed to send > control changes? > From the little I read, it sounded like you can make it send messages > on all channels, > but you have to bend down and twiddle a channel selection knob. There > didn't seem > to be anything like "presets" where you can save different > pedal/channel/controller configurations > and call them up with your feet. I did see that it can send program > changes but not bank select. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 14:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RITZA08522; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:55:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: BrotherSync and promoters with loop bias. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com precious Bill Walker said: >PS to Krispen. regarding promoter resistance to looping. I had a >related conversation with the local producer of a public access TV >program called Musicians Weekly that I took part in last fall.. We >were speaking at a party I had just performed a loop set at, and >rather than play solo like I usually do, I had a good friend and >outstanding drummer sit in with me for my set, and basically listen >and interact with my loop inventions. He (Ron, the TV guy) was >talking about how his experience tapping loopers is ,that we don't >make particularly interesting subject matter from a visual >standpoint. The extreme case being, in some instances the artist in >question took to much time in the building and creation of the loop >ideas, and lets face it, watching someone look at their rack is not >that interesting.(no matter how cool the gear is LOL) But at the >crux of his feedback was that, what was being lost was the >interaction between the musicians, the human interplay, that is >really vital to draw people in. He went on to say in regards to my >set, was that just by having another musician to provide a foil, >made a big difference from an audience standpoint. I would tend to >agree. There are certainly loop soloists, that come to mind ,that >I've seen, that can definitely hold your attention for a set. But >the often times static nature of looping can have a decidedly >lulling effect rather than an exciting one. I would consider myself >a fairly introverted guy, even though I like to perform, but I have >to stay conscious of not lapsing in to shoe gazer mode. So I work >at trying to make my live looping thing more interesting by being >more engaging with the audience, and keeping my loop ideas >constantly morphing. And I'm also rethinking the whole solo loop >thing and leaning towards working more in a duo setting, again. I >realize from an economic standpoint that doing a solo act has its >advantage$, but I must say I miss the interaction with a real human. this is important talk! I started looping solo as probably anybody starts to practice any instrument. I still think that for some more meditational uses or to follow visual elements or dancers, its great to be able to creat all sound allone since the interaction with other musicians can disctract from the focus of such creations. BUT: I agree with Bill and Ron that for the public its much more interesting to follow interaction! Also, the best way learn from others is to play together. Its not just the technique we observe but rather the feel, its as if one could introduce his "channel" to the fellow musican, who can call it himself from then on... I have loved doing duos since the 80ies (have a listen to my recordings with Marcio Miranda, its even possible with only one short loop unit!) and up to date, I play rather EDP duos than solo shows, mostly with Giba... At that time I found that syncronizing of several looping units was cruxial to maintain the equilibrated interaction between musicians. I observe its quite boring for a musician to follow the loops of another without being able to do his own loops. Non synced loops can be intersting but sooner or later, especially if you want to get closer to public taste and dance movement, Sync becomes important. So I designed BrotherSync in a way that alows any musician to start a new timing which then the other musicians can follow or not. I hoped that this feature safes us from loneliness and uninteresting shows. I am a bit worried that its not used enough. It takes a little practice. Please try it before you go on stage and jam away with partners, getting lost in some technical problem! But its not dificult, made to flow without thinking, just like most other EDP features... How about a BrotherSync workshop before the shows at the Santa Cruz festival, Rick? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 14:59:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RIprk10672; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kenh@topic.net@pop.topic.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4A433659-1062-11D9-9A45-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <20040927035340.50084.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> <4A433659-1062-11D9-9A45-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:51:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Re: Raxxess Converta Rack vs. ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll add my vote to the Gator product recommendation. It's very SKB-like, and I mean that in a good way. I don't really gig though, so I can't say too much about the wheels issue. It does work quite well on a medium size cart with a pair of bungee cords, though. You can check out their page on these types of racks at: http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/hp-03.htm I have no relation to the company, I just bought one used on eBay and have been happy with it. Ken -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:53, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >>Lately, I've been looking at the Raxxess Converta >>Rack: >>http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=199 >> >>Anybody use one of these or can recommend a competing >>product (remember, I like the folding top for my XL7)? > > >Hi Paulo, > >I've been using a similar thing from Gator, pictured here: >http://www.looproom.com/livelooping.php > >The Gator rack case could take a lot inside its belly. Good for >getting off stage quickly at festivals when you have to make place >for the next act in two minutes (just jamming everything into the >box and locking it, to clean up the mess later). The down side is >transporting by hand. The Gator is a little too deep to balance >safely on a little cart. So you might have to put wheels on it and >be two persons to lift it into a car. > >Regards > >per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 15:05:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RIwIR11421; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <415862BC.2040203@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:04 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raxxess Converta Rack vs. ??? References: <20040927035340.50084.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> <4A433659-1062-11D9-9A45-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791a3b55b93a96b4ef6ec5c7a74b2f0597350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.161.232.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Be careful. This looping thing tends to be a solo endeavor in a lot of cases. If you are planning on going it alone, and you fill one of those Gator mixer racks all the way up with EDPs and effects, you may not be able to lift it alone. I wasn't. It was summarily axed. -J Ken Higgins wrote: > > I'll add my vote to the Gator product recommendation. It's very > SKB-like, and I mean that in a good way. I don't really gig though, > so I can't say too much about the wheels issue. It does work quite > well on a medium size cart with a pair of bungee cords, though. > > You can check out their page on these types of racks at: > http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/hp-03.htm > > I have no relation to the company, I just bought one used on eBay and > have been happy with it. > > Ken > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >> On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:53, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> >>> Lately, I've been looking at the Raxxess Converta >>> Rack: >>> http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=199 >>> >>> Anybody use one of these or can recommend a competing >>> product (remember, I like the folding top for my XL7)? >> >> >> >> Hi Paulo, >> >> I've been using a similar thing from Gator, pictured here: >> http://www.looproom.com/livelooping.php >> >> The Gator rack case could take a lot inside its belly. 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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:49:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 27, 2004, at 20:58, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Be careful. This looping thing tends to be a solo endeavor in a lot > of cases. If you are planning on going it alone, and you fill one of > those Gator mixer racks all the way up with EDPs and effects, you may > not be able to lift it alone. I wasn't. It was summarily axed. True! It's actually much harder go keep a small and well working set-up than filling up a huge rack ;-) All the best Per Boysen (partial laptop strugglist) --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 15:57:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RJlkf17841; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping rookie needs advice Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:46:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 19:47:01.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[C185D8A0:01C4A4CA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > First, I'm a drumset player. I'm trying to figure out the best way to go > about doing this, especially when it comes to gear. Hey Benjy- I'm a loopy drummer and I have a lot of fun with it. When I first wanted to get into looping - it sounded like a great idea to me to loop my drumset. After I spent lotsa $$ and time getting all the gear for it, I realized that looping drum set is REALLY HARD!!! Think about it - how often do you hear two drum set drummers playing together? How about three or more??? Everything just starts to get in each other's way. I realized that I had to find a way to get each loop to have its own character and sit together with any other loops or music that was playing at the same time. For me, that meant maybe one or two drumset loops max at any one time, then possibly other loops of percussion or hand drums. Maybe you'll find a way to do something different, who knows! Just thought I would share something that took me a year to figure out myself... Jon ps. my advise: Start simple! Get one looper and one microphone, and one pair of headphones and go to town in your practice space. You'll find that this goes a really long way towards evaluating what kind of loops you'll want to do, and therefore what kind of equipment you may eventually want to acquire. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 16:21:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RK0qK19844; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040927200005.6641.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Raxxess Converta Rack vs. ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <415862BC.2040203@neoprimitive.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks fellas! This is what I plan to put in the rack case: Emu XL7 (on top, where the mixer would normally go) MOTU 828MkII MOTU MIDI Express 128 Raxxess Drawer (4 spaces - for storing the Micromodular, EH16, their power adapters, power strip, cables, manuals for MOTU units, etc.) That's pretty much it, though I may add a Furman Power Conditioner at some point in the future. I'm not a solo looper, actually. I'm the guy in our band who loops the bassist, manipulates our violinist's signal, and throws in some synth on occasion. This Gator case looks to be about $30 cheaper than its SKB competition (SKB Mini Gig Rig). Paolo --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > Be careful. This looping thing tends to be a solo > endeavor in a lot of > cases. If you are planning on going it alone, and > you fill one of those > Gator mixer racks all the way up with EDPs and > effects, you may not be > able to lift it alone. I wasn't. It was summarily > axed. > > -J > > > > Ken Higgins wrote: > > > > > I'll add my vote to the Gator product > recommendation. It's very > > SKB-like, and I mean that in a good way. I don't > really gig though, > > so I can't say too much about the wheels issue. > It does work quite > > well on a medium size cart with a pair of bungee > cords, though. > > > > You can check out their page on these types of > racks at: > > http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/hp-03.htm > > > > I have no relation to the company, I just bought > one used on eBay and > > have been happy with it. > > > > Ken > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >> On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:53, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >> > >>> Lately, I've been looking at the Raxxess > Converta > >>> Rack: > >>> http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=199 > >>> > >>> Anybody use one of these or can recommend a > competing > >>> product (remember, I like the folding top for my > XL7)? > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Paulo, > >> > >> I've been using a similar thing from Gator, > pictured here: > >> http://www.looproom.com/livelooping.php > >> > >> The Gator rack case could take a lot inside its > belly. Good for > >> getting off stage quickly at festivals when you > have to make place > >> for the next act in two minutes (just jamming > everything into the box > >> and locking it, to clean up the mess later). The > down side is > >> transporting by hand. The Gator is a little too > deep to balance > >> safely on a little cart. So you might have to put > wheels on it and be > >> two persons to lift it into a car. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> per > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 16:36:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RKPgh22813; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:25:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:25:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <5C180CD7-10BE-11D9-A74A-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <20040927035340.50084.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> <4A433659-1062-11D9-9A45-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> <415862BC.2040203@neoprimitive.net> <5C180CD7-10BE-11D9-A74A-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <451CCCCC-10C3-11D9-872C-003065BA76F4@sympatico.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Grossman Ben From: Ben Grossman Subject: Re: Raxxess Converta Rack vs. ??? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:24:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to all, I misread this: >> , you may not be able to lift it alone. I wasn't. It was summarily >> axed. As "...I was summarily axed." I think that firing yourself for not being able to hump your rack is a little harsh no? Though I've come close to it myself several times. > > True! It's actually much harder go keep a small and well working > set-up than filling up a huge rack ;-) > So true! I've struggled with this a lot over the last year. The main problem hinged on finding a mixer that had (at least some of) the flexibility that I need, but is smaller and lighter than the mackie 1604 I was hoofing around. I like to be able to effect my loops, loop my effects, etc etc. I used to use a big cube-shaped rig like the Raxxess thing mentioned. Too big, too heavy, and I got rid of an old station wagon for a small car, so impractical. I hate having to spend a lot of time setting up and tearing down before and after gigs (especially, as mentioned, during a festival). I found the Samson 2404 on Ebay and (aside from some hum - I'm working on it) I love it! Now I have a custom-made shallow 12 space flight case that's still too heavy, but it fits the mixer and my loopers and effects and preamp. And it fits in the trunk of our Prius! Yay! Good luck in your search. Don't forget that, given that we all do our work/play differently, a custom made rack might be the thing. But do plan for a bit of expansion, at least. Regards, Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 17:30:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RLSmE28842; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:28:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:28:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping rookie needs advice Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:27:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 21:28:04.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF8BF880:01C4A4D8] Resent-Message-ID: <4tSkKD.A.nBH.qXIWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure Rick Walker will chime in as far as looping percussion goes. There are many others who loop acoustic percusion as well, I'm sure. I'm not sure though of anyone who loops a whole traditional acoustice drumkit. At least not that I've talked to (maybe a guy named Jon Wagner...LD member?), but I myself have dabbled a little with the concept. Perhaps if you describe in more detail what your setup is, what your playing/band/musical situation is, and what you'd like to specifically do as far as looping goes, then someone would be better able to help you out. I don't know anything about the sp-505 so no help there. I can suggest a signal chain setup that would possibly alleviate the too many mics problem. Mic your kit with mics of you choice, all run into your own onstage mixer next to you. I guess the most important requirement for the mixer would be that it has direct outs on all your mic channels (should be common....think Behringer if budget is an issue). Also, prefader aux sends or an aux bus would be pretty useful too. You mix your drums to taste and send this mix to the looper of choice (probably on an aux send or aux bus of the mixer). The soundguy would get a direct feed of each of your mics from your mixer's direct outs, allowing him to mix for FOH as he see's fit. He also receives the feed from your onstage mixer to put what you loop through the FOH. Ta Da. You're looping. Now, getting the output of your stage monitors or other band members stage amps to not be picked up by your drum mics and put into your loops is another more difficult issue, and one where my knowledge ends. Hope this helps. Let us know what turns out. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 17:58:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RLpVq00467; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: BrotherSync and promoters with loop bias. Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c4a4dc$004a82a0$7001a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <6PXNRC.A.QG.FtIWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really good points, and I like where this thread is going. I agree that having another musician along for the ride, even if they aren't looping with you, can help with the interaction. Here in Boise, there is another local solo artist who sings, plays guitar, and plays percussion. I invite him to about 50% of my gigs and he usually just plays hand percussion over my looping. It is amazing watching a percussionist play to my loops, because many of them have no time signature, or are in odd times like 7/4, 7/8, etc. I also plan on inviting a friend violin player as well. Here's another idea I highly recommend. I've done this twice, and I am starting again in November at a local venue. My good friend of 30 years is an artist/painter. At two gigs (April-May), I had him set up and paint along side me. He cranked out 5 or 6 amazing water colors that were in reaction to what I was playing. And likewise, I was watching his work and was mutually impacted. This idea is nothing new....it was called a "happening" in the 60's and some folks are starting up again. I plan on doing this more now. The crowd really gets off on it....it's a multi-media live art experience, both ways, because almost everything I do live is spontaneous composition. Since then, folks are asking when we were are going to do that again. Finally, here is something I want to start doing, but just can't afford the $1600 PC projector. As some of you know already, I have a new DVD out which uses my latest looping CD as a soundtrack over videos of live microscopic organisms, which I shot with my USB enabled microscope. What I'd like to do is show that video, minus the sound-track, on a screen behind me. Better yet is if I could bring in my microscope and some live specimens...that would really interesting. I like that "shoe gazer mode" comment...funny. I find that I easily zone out the audience, with my chin resting on the body of my acoustic guitar, foot hovering over my EDP controller buttons, etc. I once started a gig, zoned out for 20 minutes on a single song, and looked up to find 25 more people hanging out. On the flip side, at the end of a late night gig on a weeknight, I zoned out, looked up, and the restaurant was closing! It's like looping is some sort of mind-altering opiate or something. One can easily lose all conception of space and time. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: BrotherSync and promoters with loop bias. precious Bill Walker said: >PS to Krispen. regarding promoter resistance to looping. I had a >related conversation with the local producer of a public access TV >program called Musicians Weekly that I took part in last fall.. We >were speaking at a party I had just performed a loop set at, and >rather than play solo like I usually do, I had a good friend and >outstanding drummer sit in with me for my set, and basically listen >and interact with my loop inventions. He (Ron, the TV guy) was >talking about how his experience tapping loopers is ,that we don't >make particularly interesting subject matter from a visual >standpoint. The extreme case being, in some instances the artist in >question took to much time in the building and creation of the loop >ideas, and lets face it, watching someone look at their rack is not >that interesting.(no matter how cool the gear is LOL) But at the >crux of his feedback was that, what was being lost was the >interaction between the musicians, the human interplay, that is >really vital to draw people in. He went on to say in regards to my >set, was that just by having another musician to provide a foil, >made a big difference from an audience standpoint. I would tend to >agree. There are certainly loop soloists, that come to mind ,that >I've seen, that can definitely hold your attention for a set. But >the often times static nature of looping can have a decidedly >lulling effect rather than an exciting one. I would consider myself >a fairly introverted guy, even though I like to perform, but I have >to stay conscious of not lapsing in to shoe gazer mode. So I work >at trying to make my live looping thing more interesting by being >more engaging with the audience, and keeping my loop ideas >constantly morphing. And I'm also rethinking the whole solo loop >thing and leaning towards working more in a duo setting, again. I >realize from an economic standpoint that doing a solo act has its >advantage$, but I must say I miss the interaction with a real human. this is important talk! I started looping solo as probably anybody starts to practice any instrument. I still think that for some more meditational uses or to follow visual elements or dancers, its great to be able to creat all sound allone since the interaction with other musicians can disctract from the focus of such creations. BUT: I agree with Bill and Ron that for the public its much more interesting to follow interaction! Also, the best way learn from others is to play together. Its not just the technique we observe but rather the feel, its as if one could introduce his "channel" to the fellow musican, who can call it himself from then on... I have loved doing duos since the 80ies (have a listen to my recordings with Marcio Miranda, its even possible with only one short loop unit!) and up to date, I play rather EDP duos than solo shows, mostly with Giba... At that time I found that syncronizing of several looping units was cruxial to maintain the equilibrated interaction between musicians. I observe its quite boring for a musician to follow the loops of another without being able to do his own loops. Non synced loops can be intersting but sooner or later, especially if you want to get closer to public taste and dance movement, Sync becomes important. So I designed BrotherSync in a way that alows any musician to start a new timing which then the other musicians can follow or not. I hoped that this feature safes us from loneliness and uninteresting shows. I am a bit worried that its not used enough. It takes a little practice. Please try it before you go on stage and jam away with partners, getting lost in some technical problem! But its not dificult, made to flow without thinking, just like most other EDP features... How about a BrotherSync workshop before the shows at the Santa Cruz festival, Rick? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 18:05:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RM1jW03136; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ErnstPWrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.2bf1fce9.2e89e7a6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:01:10 EDT Subject: Re: Looping rookie needs advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1096322470" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1096322470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon, Thanks for the advice. I've seen a couple drummers do looping very tastefully -- not playing over what they've put down and each loop complementing the next. I still would like to figure out the best way to go about doing all this -- any recommendations on gear; both the looping unit and mic/mixer setups? Thanks again! Benjy. -------------------------------1096322470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jon,
 
Thanks for the advice.  I've seen a couple drummers do looping ver= y tastefully -- not playing over what they've put down and each loop complem= enting the next.  I still would like to figure out the best way to go a= bout doing all this -- any recommendations on gear; both the looping unit an= d mic/mixer setups? 
 
Thanks again!
Benjy.
-------------------------------1096322470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 18:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RMARl04688; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002b01c4a4dc$004a82a0$7001a8c0@khartung> References: <002b01c4a4dc$004a82a0$7001a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: BrotherSync and promoters with loop bias. Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:10:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I once > started a gig, zoned out for 20 minutes on a single song, and looked up > to find 25 more people hanging out. On the flip side, at the end of a > late night gig on a weeknight, I zoned out, looked up, and the > restaurant was closing! It's like looping is some sort of > mind-altering > opiate or something. One can easily lose all conception of space and > time. > What could possibly be better than that? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 18:23:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RM9n004534; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040927220900.18883.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Eivind Aarset To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040927035340.50084.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Web searches have gotten me some general info but no specifics: do any of you know what gear Eivind Aarset uses in his looping rig? -t- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 18:28:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RMIfj06085; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: BrotherSync and promoters with loop bias. Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:18:19 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c4a4df$e85874f0$7001a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing. :) And it's legal! -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Evans [mailto:jeff@sccadv.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BrotherSync and promoters with loop bias. On Sep 27, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I once > started a gig, zoned out for 20 minutes on a single song, and looked > up to find 25 more people hanging out. On the flip side, at the end of > a late night gig on a weeknight, I zoned out, looked up, and the > restaurant was closing! It's like looping is some sort of > mind-altering opiate or something. One can easily lose all conception > of space and time. > What could possibly be better than that? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 18:32:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RMKPW06413; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:20:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040927221953.21354.qmail@web53709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Eivind Aarset To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040927220900.18883.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1456114848-1096323593=:14709" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1456114848-1096323593=:14709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Always big on Lexicon...there's a gear list in liner notes of the new one, Connected. Tim Nelson wrote: Web searches have gotten me some general info but no specifics: do any of you know what gear Eivind Aarset uses in his looping rig? -t- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! --0-1456114848-1096323593=:14709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
Web searches have gotten me some general info but no
specifics: do any of you know what gear Eivind Aarset
uses in his looping rig?

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vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! --0-1456114848-1096323593=:14709-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 18:46:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RMdE409022; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c4a4e2$c6561170$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: couple of Steve Lawson gigs in the UK this week Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:38:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopsters, A couple of solo gigs coming up this week, both of them with the truly marvellous Rob Jackson (brilliant solo looping guitarist) supporting - Tuesday Sept 28th - The Looking Glass, Leicester - free entry, 8pm (before this show, Rob and I will be giving a masterclass at Leicester college, which will no doubt feature lots of loopage, so if you know someone there who can get you in, that'll be worth coming to...) Thursday Sept 30th - The Headgate Theatre, Colchester - doors 7.30 tix £6/£5.00 - box office - 01206 366000 And in between those two gigs, I'll be playing at The Bedford in Balham on Wednesday 29th, backing up american singer/songwriter Kerry Getz - http://www.kerry-getz.com hope to see you there! cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:00:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RMq8J10767; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:52:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:52:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040927220900.18883.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040927220900.18883.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Eivind Aarset Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:51:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8RMpha10677 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 28, 2004, at 0:09, Tim Nelson wrote: > Web searches have gotten me some general info but no > specifics: do any of you know what gear Eivind Aarset > uses in his looping rig? As a matter of fact I just recently started to check out his music (after being compared to him by some Norwegian musicians at a recent festival I was playing) and I have not had a chance to by the records yet, just downloaded some songs from the net. But I don't hear much looping in there. A lot interesting use of beat matched delay and filtering, though. I'm thinking about calling him up for an interview, If I can get the guitar mag here to print it, and then I'll post any eventual rig info to the list. Aarsets music is really nice! I can't understand that I never got to check him out better after all this years hearing him playing with Nils Petter Molvaer. Anyway, here's a little gear talk I found on the net: ------------------------------------ "Carina: Your guitar-style is unique - how would you describe it yourself? How dependent is what you play on the effects and the special sound you use? What is the piece of equipment you wouldn't want to work without? Einvind: My guitar-style - it is like a mixture of rock and improvised music ... - Also I am listening to other instruments, not only guitarplayers - that can be very helpful, too. I am very into sounds - so maybe I am also quite influenced by keyboardplayers. Then, to be compared to Miles Davis, maybe "Bitches Brew" is rather strange - also very flattering. Although Miles has been a big influence on me I wouldn´t dare to compare myself to him. Guitarists that influenced me are Terje Rypdal - like most of the other northern guitarists of my generation - David Thorn and of course Jimi Hendrix. The effects and the special sounds are part of my instrument, because I am working with some other things I use all the time. When you look at me play, it can seem pretty strange, because sometimes I am not really playing the guitar - just turning knobs. But I don´t think about it so much, I just do it - because I have worked so long with these effects that it is sort of intuitive, what I am doing. Which piece of equipment I wouldn´t want to be without? - That´s the WahWah-Pedal, my Volume-Pedal and the Digital Delay, the DD5" All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:38:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8RNZ5c14984; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040927233436.15645.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eivind Aarset To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tack så mycket, Per och Monica, Oddly, my 'Connected' booklet doesn't have an equipment list; it does credit all the musicians by instrument for each track, but the description of Aarset's gear gets no more descriptive than "electronics". However, I did just find this: (Scroll way down for the equipment list) My German is not so good, but it looks like apart from his trusty DD5, the looping part of his rig is Line6 (DL4 or EchoPro?) and a Repeater connected via a Mackie mixer. That's funny, Per, that you were recently compared to Aarset by a Norwegian; so was I! (By a trumpeter from Oslo who himself always gets compared to Nils Petter Molvaer, although he says they sound nothing alike!) Like you, I also use a cello bow on guitar sometimes; do you also get the inevitable Sigur Rós comparisons? :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 20:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S08cb18136; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:08:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48076861-10E2-11D9-ABCA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:06:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was interested in one of these too, but abandoned it because there > were no good online docs. > Can the switches above the keyboard pedals be programmed to send > control changes? I think the actual pedals can. Not sure because of the same reason you asserted, no good online docs. > From the little I read, it sounded like you can make it send messages > on all channels, > but you have to bend down and twiddle a channel selection knob. I'm thinking the Roland PK5 and 7 may. Online docs are the key. I'm sniffing this out. > There didn't seem > to be anything like "presets" where you can save different > pedal/channel/controller configurations > and call them up with your feet. I did see that it can send program > changes but not bank select. I think that may be the case. Do you know anything about the Yamaha MPC-10? Seems like it will send 100 control changes. That's a lot but I am suspicious. I downloaded the manual at Yamaha. It seems like it's 3 categories of control messages so probably 10 that are usable for the EDP. I called, no response yet. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 20:22:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S0CvE18784; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040927233436.15645.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040927233436.15645.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E38944E-10E3-11D9-B665-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Eivind Aarset Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:12:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i8S0Cna18718 Resent-Message-ID: <16y0lB.A.2kE.ByKWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 28, 2004, at 1:34, Tim Nelson wrote: > However, I did just find this: > > (Scroll way down for the equipment list) > > My German is not so good, but it looks like apart from > his trusty DD5, the looping part of his rig is Line6 > (DL4 or EchoPro?) and a Repeater connected via a > Mackie mixer. Thanks for that link! Getting bookmarked here :-) > That's funny, Per, that you were recently compared to > Aarset by a Norwegian; so was I! (By a trumpeter from > Oslo who himself always gets compared to Nils Petter > Molvaer, although he says they sound nothing alike!) Yes, it's funny how odd comparisons ppl can come up with! As for myself I sometimes get the strangest first impressions of some new music and later on I just can't understand how I could hear it "as such". > Like you, I also use a cello bow on guitar sometimes; Yes. That's an easy way to get a warmer sound ;-) I like using "physical" effects as much as possible and loop the real sound, as an alternative to using electronic effects. Have you tried any other sized bow for guitar? I went for the cello bow right away and never actually tried a different model. For that "rich and warm low sound" I also like to use a tenor sax. Sax is, like playing guitar with a bow, a monophonic instrument and as such it makes a lot of fun to loop, building layers for chords and trying to chop them up for beats or to get some kind of LFO filter to move them. A lot of looping guitarists seem to like using the e-bow. I think that too makes you monophonic, right? > do you also get the inevitable Sigur Rós comparisons? > :P Noop, not yet. But I like them a lot (cool vocals). I try to also bring the sax as much as possible and maybe some think "it's jazz" when they see that instrument, getting instantly flpped out of that Sigur Rós mode ;-) - per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 21:01:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S0sQh22179; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040928004956.48746.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eivind Aarset To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1E38944E-10E3-11D9-B665-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: >Have you tried any other sized bow for guitar? As probably a lot of us have, I pretty much destroyed a cheap violin bow many years ago doing the Jimmy Page thing. I find the cello bow's length to be better for the way I bow, and it does seem to be a bit sturdier. An important difference, though, is that I modified a guitar (a cheap Epiphone Les Paul Junior bolt-neck) specifically for bowing: to save the horsehair and to get that cello vibe, I use heavy flatwounds on it (the bottom 6 of a 7-string set, tuned down in a variety of modal tunings), and removed some wood with a belt sander to allow better bow access to the outside strings. I had to raise the bridge up all the way and shim the neck; I can't bow my Strats at all, they're way too flat for me. It's sort of a work in progress; I'm chip-carving the top with Old Norse knot/animal art and I'll probably add a neck pickup at some point. I'll probably put on a trapeze tailpiece, since the bridge height now puts a lot of strain on the posts. It all started as an attempt to build an electric hardanger arpeggione (radically arched frets/bridge with drone strings underneath the frets like a sitar), which I gave up on when I couldn't get the compound fret radius right. Keeps the rosin off my regular guitars :) > A lot of looping guitarists seem to like using the > e-bow. I think that too makes you monophonic, right? Yeah, I use an eBow, but I find it to be a very different animal from a real bow. I like to use it in two basic ways: one is to layer long sustained single notes that fade in and out of a chordal loop at different points. The other is to use it for snakey single-note/single string stuff on top of a chordal loop. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 22:37:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S2WQO32016; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:32:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:33:31 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MPX-500 as a looper Message-ID: <122464094.1096313611@[192.168.1.101]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it possible to use an MPX-500 as a looper? Has anyone here done this with success? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 22:49:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S2ktg00880; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:46:35 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) In-reply-to: <48076861-10E2-11D9-ABCA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4158D08B.4070600@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> <48076861-10E2-11D9-ABCA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > > Do you know anything about the Yamaha MPC-10? Seems like it will send > 100 control changes. That's a lot but I am suspicious. > I downloaded the manual at Yamaha. It seems like it's 3 categories of > control messages so probably 10 that are usable for the EDP. I > called, no response yet. > Yes, I studied the MFC10. It does some things better than Behringer but overall I didn't like it. I thought it had a very strange programming model. There are 10 switches that can be configured two different ways: to select "program memories" or "function memories". The memories are like what most other pedals call a "preset" there are 100 of each. A program memory can send a single program change command on any channel including bank select. A function memory can send a single note, program, control, song select, or realtime message on any channel. The first 50 of the 100 function memories can send up to 4 events of a single type. When you configure a switch to send a function memory, the switch is normally momentary, the max value is sent on press, the min on release. You can also configure them as toggle switches, but the strange thing is that the max value is transmitted CONTINUOUSLY while the switch is toggled on. The devices you control don't care, but this is really irritating if you're recording the MIDI stream in a sequencer. The switches can be configured in two modes, "normal" and "mix". In normal mode all ten switches send the same kind of memory, you switch between program and function memories with a dedicated "Function" switch. In mix mode, the top row of 5 send function memories, the bottom row of 5 send program memories. To address all 100 memories, you have to use a "10x" switch rather than the more common bank up/down switches. For example, to send program memory 23 you would press 10x + 2 + 3. This makes jumping randomly among memories a little easier than scrolling with bank up/down buttons. But I prefer to organize the switches as banks with related functions, switch to those banks and just stay there without having to keep pressing 10x to get to the other switches in the bank. The built-in expression pedal uses a single global channel. An unusual feature is a jack for wind controllers like the WX7 which saves having to lug around another converter box. So, unlike the Behringer you can address all 16 MIDI channels, and have momentary control change buttons on more than one channel. But a switch can send at most 4 messages of the same type, and the 10x bank selection mechanism is annoying. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 00:02:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S41mr07552; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:01:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:01:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: musi-cal calendar to post your looping gigs Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:01:15 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c4a50f$d03e41d0$7001a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4A4DD.85A3D1D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4A4DD.85A3D1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone using the musi-cal calendar to post their looping gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/ Someone on this list (can't remember who) recommended it to me, and I've been using I since). I'd like to find out more on where others are playing. I did a search on USA and looping, and I see Andre LaFosse and Todd Boston listed, but no one else. Lately, I have been using the calendar exclusively and hyperlinking to it from my webpage. It is very easy to use, edit, and share with other. To hyperlink, you simply search for yourself on the calendar, then use the resulting URL. Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4A4DD.85A3D1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable musi-cal calendar to post your looping gigs

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I'd like to find = out more on where others are playing. I did a search on USA and looping, = and I see Andre LaFosse and Todd Boston listed, but no one else.  = Lately, I have been using the calendar exclusively and hyperlinking to = it from my webpage.  It is very easy to use, edit, and share with = other.  To hyperlink, you simply search for yourself on the = calendar, then use the resulting URL.

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------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4A4DD.85A3D1D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 01:07:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S4vWY13091; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <4158D08B.4070600@sun.com> References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> <48076861-10E2-11D9-ABCA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4158D08B.4070600@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:55:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <8h_D8C.A._LD.k8OWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, I am so un-midi-like. I don't think that learning a different interface will be a problem with me because I never learned anything. All I ever did, besides play classical guitar my compositions, was use CC pedals with program changes. The programs were the thing. So I slap a noise to a loop that I made with a processor and a vibrating string. Now the MCF-10 will do at least 10 control changes of the EDP and maybe more right? Shoot, the buttons look quiet enough, it may have a weird interface for you, for me it's all weird. I'm primitive with this gear but my music/sound world is my primary focus. I ordered the EDP foot controller and it will be here tomorrow. I can use that for catching loops and the controller for the fades and whatnot. So the MFC-10 is good in that sense, right? Most appreciated Jeff. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 04:28:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S8Poa31755; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 04:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 04:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:22:29 +0200 Subject: Re:Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3179211749_114276_MIME_Part" X-ID: bHerP2ZEweyi7Mw-K7ILxMHFPHLYnD+LTcjLgycc+moGJPP-WAWAoy X-TOI-MSGID: e7ba4da7-88eb-4442-b5f6-79e4069d6d93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3179211749_114276_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wow, maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6.... may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" --MS_Mac_OE_3179211749_114276_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" wow,
maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6....


may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" <http://www.l= ine6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html> --MS_Mac_OE_3179211749_114276_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 06:00:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8S9qce06333; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:50:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1stE-.A.PeB.3PTWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, Andreas Willers wrote: > wow, > maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6.... > may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - > Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html yes the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and "Ducking" are parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting up a laptop looping meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added "Reverse". If you buy one, Andreas, can you post a review? ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 08:22:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SCGG118531; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3659.129.139.24.200.1096373738.squirrel@webmail.netcarrier.com> In-Reply-To: <200409272228.i8RMSU907750@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409272228.i8RMSU907750@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: OMBIENT Gig, Bedminster NJ 09/26 From: ejyuhas@eclipse.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: ejyuhas@eclipse.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopists! Those of you that missed this afternoon gig should be kicking yerselves! :) I went to see Mike Hunter, aka "OMBIENT" play this past Sunday, and boy, am I glad I did! It was an incredible display of how someone can be so in tune to his/her looping gear and visuals. Mike started off by weaving Fripp-esque soundscapes along with a video display of fractal-based animations and word graphics randomly floating by. By the way...Mike was the creator of his own video show, too! Multitalented! During intermission, he also gave the crowd an overview of what he was doing, literally "Looping 101". People were very receptive! Thanks Mike for a wonderful performance--you should perform at Y2K4!! Peace and loops, Ed in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 09:30:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SDJFR25836; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040928131820.2969.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Raxxess Converta Rack vs. ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6B9Y7D.A.qSG.iSWWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I checked out the case last night at the store and it looks like a good solution for me. I found out, after my visit, that Gator does offer a caster add-on for this rack. It's a strap-on affair that the store sells for $69. Here's one pic of it: http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_3815/productname_Gator-GA-300-Caster-Kit-for-Gator-Console-Racks Paolo --- Ken Higgins wrote: > > I'll add my vote to the Gator product > recommendation. It's very > SKB-like, and I mean that in a good way. I don't > really gig though, > so I can't say too much about the wheels issue. It > does work quite > well on a medium size cart with a pair of bungee > cords, though. > > You can check out their page on these types of racks > at: > http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/hp-03.htm > > I have no relation to the company, I just bought one > used on eBay and > have been happy with it. > > Ken > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > >On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:53, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > >>Lately, I've been looking at the Raxxess Converta > >>Rack: > >>http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=199 > >> > >>Anybody use one of these or can recommend a > competing > >>product (remember, I like the folding top for my > XL7)? > > > > > >Hi Paulo, > > > >I've been using a similar thing from Gator, > pictured here: > >http://www.looproom.com/livelooping.php > > > >The Gator rack case could take a lot inside its > belly. Good for > >getting off stage quickly at festivals when you > have to make place > >for the next act in two minutes (just jamming > everything into the > >box and locking it, to clean up the mess later). > The down side is > >transporting by hand. The Gator is a little too > deep to balance > >safely on a little cart. So you might have to put > wheels on it and > >be two persons to lift it into a car. > > > >Regards > > > >per > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 10:01:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SDvRO32210; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c4a562$da119560$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my opinion, anyone interested in Line 6 gear, and modeling gear in general, owes it to themselves to actually TRY the stuff out firsthand. There is so much hype with these newly released gizmo's, and Line6 is the biggest culprit of touting the wonders of their new products. The user base are the beta testers, essentially! and if and when the limitations of the gear becomes an issue, quite possibly Line6 isn't going to do anything about it, or they have already moved their focus onto their next product. If you're ok with that (and begrudgingly, I am, cuz I own a few L6 products), then go ahead and buy. Also, although L6 claims the superiority of their products, they still often don't 'feel' like the real thing....they are more like 'their own thing'. Again, as long as you're ok with that, more power to you. I just encourage you to try it out and make sure it fits you, rather than thinking Line 6 is overtly concerned about rock solid performance and user interfaces. They seems to just leave the icing off the cake in favor of selling more units, IMO. Just my 2 cents too many, Rich Plus, modellng products just 'feel' different. If you -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, Andreas Willers wrote: > wow, > maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6.... > may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - > Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html yes the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and "Ducking" are parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting up a laptop looping meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added "Reverse". If you buy one, Andreas, can you post a review? ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 10:44:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SEaqG05133; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:36:22 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <415976E6.8030707@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> <48076861-10E2-11D9-ABCA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4158D08B.4070600@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-cNcFD.A.2OB.XbXWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > > Jeff, > > Now the MCF-10 will do at least 10 control changes of the EDP and > maybe more right? Shoot, the buttons look quiet enough, it may have a > weird interface for you, for me it's all weird. I'm primitive with > this gear but my music/sound world is my primary focus. > The MFC10 can send up to 100 different control change messages on all 16 channels. In 50 out of the 100 "memories", you can send 4 control changes on one pedal, the other 50 can only send one control change per pedal. So yes, it should be able to control all of the MIDI functions on the EDP. The main thing I don't like about it is the way you scroll through all 100 memories. If you want to minimize the amount of tap dancing you do on stage, then you will be limited to 10 control changes. You can get to all the others, it just takes more footwork which I would find distracting. The MFC is about twice the cost of the Behringer and the only real advantage is the ability to use more MIDI channels. How many devices do you need to control at once? If it is just the EDP, the Behringer is more than enough. If you've got a rack full of synth's and processors then the MFC may be better. But note that if you have more than one device in the rack that you need to control with the expression pedal, the MFC can't do that, the pedal always sends messages on one channel. > I ordered the EDP foot controller and it will be here tomorrow. I can > use that for catching loops and the controller for the fades and whatnot. > > So the MFC-10 is good in that sense, right? > The MFC combined with the EDP foot controller would be better. You can use the EDP controller for the most frequently used functions, and the MFC for 10 of the more esoteric functions and the pedal for feedback. The MFC only has one pedal, so if you want to control output volume as well you'll need another pedal like the Roland EV-5. But this is starting to take up a lot of floorspace. Again, i you only need to control the EDP with control changes and other devices with program changes, the Behringer is by far the best value. You have access to all of the EDP functions in a more convenient way than the MFC, you get two expression pedals, and it takes up a lot less real estate than combinations of other pedals. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 11:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SFTtF14152; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:29:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040928100507.0dd06220@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:22:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: PK-5 as MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) In-Reply-To: <415976E6.8030707@sun.com> References: <20040927002352.MFKB1489.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> <41584A0D.5010005@sun.com> <48076861-10E2-11D9-ABCA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <4158D08B.4070600@sun.com> <415976E6.8030707@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:36 AM 9/28/2004, Jeff Larson wrote: >So yes, it should be able to control all of the MIDI functions on the EDP. Guys, just to be safe: check the list archives regarding the MFC-10 before you actually pick one up. I looked at that pedal briefly while I was first checking out foot controllers. If I remember correctly, one of the more longstanding members of the list (andy butler, perhaps?) did a spec-out on it a couple of years back. He discovered there was a problem with latency on the pedal presses. This wouldn't normally be that much of an issue if you're merely using it for things like turning on/off an effect program. However, if you're using it to control your loop functions, that could throw your timing off considerably. The write-up was quite a while back, so perhaps a more current rev of the MFC's operating system has fixed that since. I'd still "try before you buy", though. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 12:29:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SGLF120693; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <27125201.1096388432739.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:20:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: ejyuhas@eclipse.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OMBIENT Gig, Bedminster NJ 09/26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As long as we're telling the group about great looping performances, I thought I'd type a few words about the 9/26/04 show at the Sky Bar...there were several fine acts there, including Ultraplush and 12th of Never, but looping-wise, Dreamchild and the Kris Thompson/Robert Byrd duo both just blew my mind. I was already familiar with Dreamchild's Halloween-on-acid loop-based music... Frank Gerace gets the most otherworldly sounds out of his VG-8 strat, and he loops the horrifying/beautiful sonic waves with an Echoplex and, I beleieve, a Jam Man, while Cheryl Wanner expertly loops her multioctave Diamanda Galas/Lisa Gerrard vocals with a JamMan of her own, also playing not one but two harps and other cool instruments. I expected a damn good listen, and they didn't disappoint. As for Kris, I knew him from when he and I used to play with Lauri desMarais... he was a very good theremin player back then, but he's actually gotten better, creating more vocal, human sounds, as he did that night. The other half of his duo, Robert Byrd, was getting the most amazing washes of sound out of his white strat and a 4-U case of rackmount stuff. Together, the two of them made it hard not to resort to overused cliches...let's just say it was powerful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 12:43:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SGaZi22766; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:31:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ivan Pope" (by way of Richard Zvonar) Subject: [microsound] Fifteen Inches Per Second Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5pSjo.A.OjF.0LZWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to find out how easy we have it, listen to this brilliant and inspirational radio program. Make you look again at running loops in a digital program. Mon 27 Sep, 20:30 - 21:00 30 mins A radio celebration of quarter-inch magnetic tape - an invention that revolutionised the whole world of recorded sound. To listen to it online go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml and look under F for Fifteen Inches Per Second Enjoy, Ivan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ivan Pope ivan@ivanpope.com http://ivanpope.com Absent WithOut Leave: My life as an artist http://blog.ivanpope.com The Man Who Invented The Internet http://blog.themanwhoinventedtheinternet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 12:54:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SGeXJ23427; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f04092809405014d0c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:40:08 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Semi Hollow Body Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Guys, I'm looking into trading in one of my amps for a cheap / used hollow body guitar and I was wondering if anybody on the list had some recommendations for used guitars in the $600 range. I've looked at some Yamahas and Washburns but was curious if anybody out there used anything a bit more obscure that sounded really good that I may not be aware of? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 13:14:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SHCWQ28379; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928163204.027feca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:11:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) In-Reply-To: <200409281401.i8SE1n900632@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409281401.i8SE1n900632@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 15:01 28/09/04, you wrote: >Do you know anything about the Yamaha MPC-10? Seems like it will send 100 >control changes. That's a lot but I am suspicious. >I downloaded the manual at Yamaha. It seems like it's 3 categories of >control messages so probably 10 that are usable for the EDP. I called, no >response yet. MFC-10 lots of features, but totally useless because of a delay between hitting the switch, and the message being sent. It's confirmed by Yamaha's UK tech support guy as being 100ms ! No good for controlling ANY looper. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 13:22:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SHG2029094; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928181300.027fad10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:15:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Eivind Aarset, into mono ebow In-Reply-To: <200409281401.i8SE1n900632@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409281401.i8SE1n900632@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A lot of looping guitarists seem to like using the e-bow. I think that too >makes you monophonic, right? Essentially yes, but it's possible to pluck non-ebow notes while ebowing. ( also 2 ebows is possible) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 18:33:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SMQuE05493; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040928222613.12891.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928181300.027fad10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was thinking about this a lot at work today; maybe one thing that may be happening (in my case anyway) when we loop polyphonic instruments is that much of the time, in the interest of timbral variety and loop-clarity, we might approach the instrument as if it were indeed monophonic, with the understanding that the looping device(s) will provide the polyphony. I know I do that quite a bit with guitar, layering single notes, particularly as I start to build a loop. When I loop one-note things like flutes or theremin, I'll consciously try to keep sparseness in mind, because I know sooner or later I'll have that monolithic wall o' sound going, and keeping it spare on the way in is what makes each of my improvised pieces (sort of) different from each other. How many of you who play normally-multi-voiced instruments would say that this is true for you: when you're NOT looping, use of struck or closely arpeggiated chords is more common than when you're looping, in which case the chords are often built within the loop rather than played all at once? -t- --- a k butler wrote: > >A lot of looping guitarists seem to like using the > e-bow. I think that too > >makes you monophonic, right? > > Essentially yes, but it's possible to pluck non-ebow > notes while ebowing. > ( also 2 ebows is possible) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 19:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8SN67C10708; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:06:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:06:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040928222613.12891.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040928222613.12891.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:05:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sep 29, 2004, at 0:26, Tim Nelson wrote: > How many of you who play normally-multi-voiced > instruments would say that this is true for you: when > you're NOT looping, use of struck or closely > arpeggiated chords is more common than when you're > looping, in which case the chords are often built > within the loop rather than played all at once? Not necessarily. It used to be true for me, but since i got Loop4 into my EDP I've also started to insert and cut very short slices of loops. Sometimes, when doing that, it makes sense to play multi-voiced chords to create dense harmony at one go. Here's an example to illustrate what I mean: http://www.looproom.com/audio/ocl/Journey.mp3 Starting with only monophonical playing into the EDP but at the end playing chords to cut slices by "substitute-insert". 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Mail SpamGuard. --0-126190155-1096412684=:94096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 20:15:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T06mO17283; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:06:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:06:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fc01c4bd4b$1644eff0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Cc: "FESTIVAL PERFORMERS" , "BERNHARD WAGNER" , "TED KILLIAN" , "Rick Walker's Loop.pooL" , "PURPLE HAND" Subject: Y2K4 FINAL SCHEDULE Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:06:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There have been many changes in the schedule for Y2K4. Sadly, Roberto Zorzi's partner had become very ill in Italy and he has been forced to cancel his tour to the US. Our heart is with them both and we pray for a speedy recovery. Looping Cellist Rena Jones has been added to fill his main festival slot and Switzerland's Bernhard Wagner will fill his spots in San Francisco and Santa Cruz on the 7th and 8th. My thanks to these artists for helping out at the last minute. ************************* Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival October 7th -11th, 2004 SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th The LUGGAGE STORE, San Francisco 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th Question Mark Gallery, Santa Cruz 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz SCHEDULE for SATURDAY,OCTOBER 9th 12 noon TBA 12:30 Krispen Hartung (Idaho, USA)-2 1:00 Trey Donovan (USA) -1 1:30 Craig McCollough (USA) - 2 2:00 Stanosaur (USA) -1 2:30 LX Rudis (USA) - 2 3:00 Kid Beyond -1 (USA) -1* 3:30 Cochlear Electrolysis -2 4:00 Andre Custodio (USA)- 1 4:30 Matt Davignon (USA)- 2 5:00 ghost 7 -M (USA) -1 5:30 DINNER BREAK 7:00 Rena Jones (USA)-1* 7:30 Dark Muse (USA) -2 8:00 Sunao Inami (JAPAN) (HEADLINER) -1* 8:30 Armatronix (USA) -2 9:00 Ted Killian (OREGON) -1* 9:30 e o (USA) -2 10:00 James Sidlo (TEXAS, USA)/Rick Walker (USA) -1 10:30 Are Jay Hoffman -2 11:00 Joe Balestreri (USA)-1 SCHEDULE for SUNDAY, OCTOBER 10th 12 NOON TBA 12:30 Ahl-i Nafs -2 (David Giovachini and Susan Sammel) -2 1:00 Daniel Thomas - 1 1:30 Chris Cohn -2 2:00 Peter Chester & Rob Cross -M -1 2:30 Amar - 2 3:00 Dr Richard Zvonar & Bob Rice -1 3:30 Warren Sirota -2 world premiere: looping software 4:00 Mark Hamburg -1 4:30 Alex Stahl -2 5:00 Bernhard Wagner -M -1 5:30 DINNER BREAK 7:00 Michael Klobuchar -1* 7:30 Larry Cooperman -2 8:00 Daniel Lewis & Pipa Pinon -1 * 8:30 Gary Regina -2 9:00 Brian Kenney Fresno - 1 9:30 Bill Walker & George Perry-2 10:00 Wayne Jackson- 1 10:30 George Demarest -2 11:00 Timothy Crowe -1 SCHEDULE for MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th 1:00 Annual Loopers Luncheon at the CATALYST, Santa Cruz Asterisked PERFORMERS are Featured Perfomers numbers refer to stage numbers SUNAO INAMI is our official Headliner for the festival. These designations are informal and are only meant to be able to add to one's resume when one is trying to get other serious festival participation or grant porposals. Everyone is equally valuable at this festival and I am proud to be part of one of the more communal and cooperative groups of musicians that I've ever been associated with in a long life of music. My sincerest thanks go out to the following people. Webmaster: Bernhard Wagner, Poster/brochure and Website artwork designer: Ted Killian Poster/T-shirt photography: Andrew Kaiser (for 'the spiral') T-shirt design: Rick Walker (ooops, that's me) Stage management: Chris Cohn Simulcast organizer: Bernhard Wagner Streaming bandwidth provided by ETHERIC NETWORKS All the artists who have donated all of their time and who have all travelled to perform at their own expense. This festival is run on virtually no budget. The fact that it has become so big and wonderful is a testiment to the live looping community all over the world. None of this would have been possible without the existence of Loopers Delight, founded and maintained by Kim Flint. He just told us that this incredibly informative and exciting website has over 900,000 page views per month now. Thanks Kim for all of your energy, time and financial contribution to this community. See you all there, I hope!!!! yours, Rick Rick Walker - festival organizer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 23:16:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T33aF01837; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:03:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c4a5d0$d687a150$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040928222613.12891.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:03:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > loop-clarity, we might approach the instrument as if > it were indeed monophonic, with the understanding that > the looping device(s) will provide the polyphony. I > know I do that quite a bit with guitar, layering > single notes, particularly as I start to build a loop. I do this all the time. I often layer 7 or more voices with my bass (well, 7-string bass, so more in the treble range) in addition to a bass line (which often has several voices of its own). The trick I use is to add the voices polyrhythmically and/or syncopated. It's a really cool effect. Also, I sometimes use my eBow to add keyboard-like swells where different voices enter and leave at various times. I'll try to post some audio clips of some of this looping stuff. There is some looping in these clips: http://www.unpronounceable.com/bargooma/audio/ it may be a little out there for you guys. It's mostly improvised. The musicians include Gene Jun from Idiot Flesh, John Axtell from Psychefunkapus and Jan Jackson from Motherbug. There is also another bassist on a couple tracks. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 00:46:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T4dmC11229; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040929043913.75960.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c4a5d0$d687a150$6601a8c0@watercooled> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <66FOND.A.orC.3xjWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've gone both ways with the single note/chordal approach. I just recently finished a song that involved about six tracks of single note playing that when organised properly turned out a pretty wierd arpeggiated chordal sequence. I used Ambiloop, along with Acid to add the beats. I would start with track one and play a note on the click of the metronome. the second track was done the same way, but with a few diferent notes, then, I reversed that part, and the notes would fall in between those of the first track. It sounded like an arpeggio, but at the same time, it sounded like a reverse delay, because the attack was backwards. I then made a drone tone on the open E string(did I mention this was done on the guitar?), and slowed it down to replicate the bass. Next, I performed a melody in the similar fashion as the chords, and it had about the same effect, but was played in the higher registers. Then, I did a solo at half speed, so when I turned it on normal, it didn't sound much like a guitar. I then took all those parts and put them into ACID and panned them and all kinds of stuff, so even though you heard the signle lines as chords, they were moving all over the place. I need to upload this somewhere so you all can hear what I'm talking about. Anyway, that's what I did for that song, but I've also played full chord prograssions and added embellishments on top of it as well, I used didferent sounds and keep the guitars pretty clean so they don't turn into mush. So I can work either way on this one. Bri --- "David J. Grossman" wrote: > > loop-clarity, we might approach the instrument as > if > > it were indeed monophonic, with the understanding > that > > the looping device(s) will provide the polyphony. > I > > know I do that quite a bit with guitar, layering > > single notes, particularly as I start to build a > loop. > > I do this all the time. I often layer 7 or more > voices with my bass (well, > 7-string bass, so more in the treble range) in > addition to a bass line > (which often has several voices of its own). The > trick I use is to add the > voices polyrhythmically and/or syncopated. It's a > really cool effect. Also, > I sometimes use my eBow to add keyboard-like swells > where different voices > enter and leave at various times. > > I'll try to post some audio clips of some of this > looping stuff. There is > some looping in these clips: > http://www.unpronounceable.com/bargooma/audio/ > it may be a little out there for you guys. It's > mostly improvised. The > musicians include Gene Jun from Idiot Flesh, John > Axtell from Psychefunkapus > and Jan Jackson from Motherbug. There is also > another bassist on a couple > tracks. > > - Dave > > http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 01:04:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T4ugH12782; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: [microsound] Fifteen Inches Per Second Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:56:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSlelaO2ndM4MdaSN+WtD91bn9OqQAZfCjQ Message-Id: <20040929045605.GDZQ11229.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you ever so much, Ivan, for the link to an incredible show! Worth listening to several times. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Pope (by way of Richard Zvonar) [mailto:ivan@ivanpope.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [microsound] Fifteen Inches Per Second If you want to find out how easy we have it, listen to this brilliant and inspirational radio program. Make you look again at running loops in a digital program. Mon 27 Sep, 20:30 - 21:00 30 mins A radio celebration of quarter-inch magnetic tape - an invention that revolutionised the whole world of recorded sound. To listen to it online go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml and look under F for Fifteen Inches Per Second Enjoy, Ivan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 02:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T69Xu18971; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:09:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ben" To: Subject: RE: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:08:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040929043913.75960.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 if-filter0: Y Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Brian, I would greatly hear that, using ambiloop myself. There is a a new ambiloopradio group at Yahoo! Groups. It was created last week I think just to "hold" songs created with ambiloop. To learn more about the ambiloopradio group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ambiloopradio Ben. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > Envoye : mercredi 29 septembre 2004 6:39 > A : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet : Re: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) > > > I've gone both ways with the single note/chordal > approach. I just recently finished a song that > involved about six tracks of single note playing that > when organised properly turned out a pretty wierd > arpeggiated chordal sequence. I used Ambiloop, along > with Acid to add the beats. I would start with track > one and play a note on the click of the metronome. > the second track was done the same way, but with a few > diferent notes, then, I reversed that part, and the > notes would fall in between those of the first track. > It sounded like an arpeggio, but at the same time, it > sounded like a reverse delay, because the attack was > backwards. I then made a drone tone on the open E > string(did I mention this was done on the guitar?), > and slowed it down to replicate the bass. Next, I > performed a melody in the similar fashion as the > chords, and it had about the same effect, but was > played in the higher registers. Then, I did a solo at > half speed, so when I turned it on normal, it didn't > sound much like a guitar. I then took all those parts > and put them into ACID and panned them and all kinds > of stuff, so even though you heard the signle lines as > chords, they were moving all over the place. I need > to upload this somewhere so you all can hear what I'm > talking about. Anyway, that's what I did for that > song, but I've also played full chord prograssions and > added embellishments on top of it as well, I used > didferent sounds and keep the guitars pretty clean so > they don't turn into mush. So I can work either way > on this one. > > Bri > --- "David J. Grossman" > wrote: > > > > loop-clarity, we might approach the instrument as > > if > > > it were indeed monophonic, with the understanding > > that > > > the looping device(s) will provide the polyphony. > > I > > > know I do that quite a bit with guitar, layering > > > single notes, particularly as I start to build a > > loop. > > > > I do this all the time. I often layer 7 or more > > voices with my bass (well, > > 7-string bass, so more in the treble range) in > > addition to a bass line > > (which often has several voices of its own). The > > trick I use is to add the > > voices polyrhythmically and/or syncopated. It's a > > really cool effect. Also, > > I sometimes use my eBow to add keyboard-like swells > > where different voices > > enter and leave at various times. > > > > I'll try to post some audio clips of some of this > > looping stuff. There is > > some looping in these clips: > > http://www.unpronounceable.com/bargooma/audio/ > > it may be a little out there for you guys. It's > > mostly improvised. The > > musicians include Gene Jun from Idiot Flesh, John > > Axtell from Psychefunkapus > > and Jan Jackson from Motherbug. There is also > > another bassist on a couple > > tracks. > > > > - Dave > > > > http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Un mot doux ` envoyer? Une sortie cini ` organiser? Faites le en temps > riel avec MSN Messenger! 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C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 03:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T7ctJ28884; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040929073819.54149.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: Chords: played vs. built (was: mono ebow (was Eivind Aarset) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thnaks, I am putting it up on here in a bit, it's been titles Found Insanity, by Soul Implant. I've never been good with titles, but this is in fact the song I just talked about. --- Ben wrote: > Hey Brian, > > I would greatly hear that, using ambiloop myself. > There is a a new ambiloopradio group at Yahoo! > Groups. It was created last > week I think > just to "hold" songs created with ambiloop. > > To learn more about the ambiloopradio group, please > visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ambiloopradio > > Ben. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 04:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T86tO32089; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929085330.02808b80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:05:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: MFC-10 remembered In-Reply-To: <200409290618.i8T6I1J20308@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200409290618.i8T6I1J20308@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If I remember correctly, one of the more longstanding members of the list >(andy butler, perhaps?) yep, that was me :-) >did a spec-out on it a couple of years back. He discovered there was a >problem with latency on the pedal presses. This wouldn't normally be that >much of an issue if you're merely using it for things like turning on/off >an effect program. However, if you're using it to control your loop >functions, that could throw your timing off considerably. That's exactly what I found. A delay of about 70ms by my guess. Surprising, as the MFC-10 is supposed to be usable as a foot-keyboard sending note-Ons. >The write-up was quite a while back, so perhaps a more current rev of the >MFC's operating system has fixed that since. > I'd still "try before you buy", though. Please let me know if that's the case. (I still have the mfc-10) I spent quite a while on the phone with "Dusty" at Yamaha's tech support. The only info he had been given was a pile of manuals. He hadn't been given a way to check for a software revision, and there was no system by which he could report a fault to the designers. If we're into criticising Line 6 for letting their customers be Beta testers, then perhaps it's worth considering that Yamaha don't even allow that :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 04:27:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8T8Hgu00880; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:14:24 +0200 Subject: RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3179297664_55320_MIME_Part" X-ID: rxLwn8ZBQeAp6dxEoeQoqBORUQzbxjDQ6MiBCLevY8uRBmepyunTUr X-TOI-MSGID: c9752a4a-b8e2-47af-bea2-9dec182cd4d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3179297664_55320_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, I have to aggree. I personally think that the whole modelling thing is simply crap and analog is the way to go whenever possible as long as it's not an add-on effect like reverb or (loop-) delay. But just last week I thought I'd immediately get a box that would do standard delay fare plus ducking, reverse and modulation to broaden the options of my Danelectro BackTalk reverse delay. (The DL-4 takes is too big for my board, I loop with the EDP). So here it is, and I will give it a chance for shure. Although the nice grainy sound of the Dano is quite something. BTW, what is the best compact guitar tuner on the market? Anyone tried the Guyatone? Andreas In my opinion, anyone interested in Line 6 gear, and modeling gear in general, owes it to themselves to actually TRY the stuff out firsthand. There is so much hype with these newly released gizmo's, and Line6 is the biggest culprit of touting the wonders of their new products. The user base are the beta testers, essentially! and if and when the limitations of the gear becomes an issue, quite possibly Line6 isn't going to do anything about it, or they have already moved their focus onto their next product. If you're ok with that (and begrudgingly, I am, cuz I own a few L6 products), then go ahead and buy. Also, although L6 claims the superiority of their products, they still often don't 'feel' like the real thing....they are more like 'their own thing'. Again, as long as you're ok with that, more power to you. I just encourage you to try it out and make sure it fits you, rather than thinking Line 6 is overtly concerned about rock solid performance and user interfaces. They seems to just leave the icing off the cake in favor of selling more units, IMO. Just my 2 cents too many, Rich Plus, modellng products just 'feel' different. If you -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, Andreas Willers wrote: > wow, > maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6.... > may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - > Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html yes the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and "Ducking" are parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting up a laptop looping meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added "Reverse". If you buy one, Andreas, can you post a review? ;-) All the best Per Boysen --MS_Mac_OE_3179297664_55320_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" Hi,

I have to aggree. I personally think that the whole modelling thing is simp= ly crap and analog is the way to go whenever possible as long as it's not an= add-on effect like reverb or (loop-) delay. But just last week I thought I'= d immediately get a box that would do standard delay fare plus ducking, reve= rse and modulation to broaden the options of my Danelectro BackTalk reverse = delay. (The DL-4 takes is too big for my board, I loop with the EDP). So her= e it is, and I will give it a chance for shure. Although the nice grainy sou= nd of the Dano is quite something.

BTW, what is the best compact guitar  tuner on the market? Anyone trie= d the Guyatone?

Andreas

In my opinion, anyone interested in Line 6 gear, and modeling gear in general, owes it to themselves to actually TRY the stuff out firsthand.
There is so much hype with these newly released gizmo's, and Line6 is
the biggest culprit of touting the wonders of their new products.  The=
user base are the beta testers, essentially!  and if and when the
limitations of the gear becomes an issue, quite possibly Line6 isn't
going to do anything about it, or they have already moved their focus
onto their next product.

If you're ok with that (and begrudgingly, I am, cuz I own a few L6
products), then go ahead and buy.

Also, although L6 claims the superiority of their products, they still
often don't 'feel' like the real thing....they are more like 'their own
thing'.  Again, as long as you're ok with that, more power to you. &nb= sp;I
just encourage you to try it out and make sure it fits you, rather than
thinking Line 6 is overtly concerned about rock solid performance and
user interfaces.  They seems to just leave the icing off the cake in favor of selling more units, IMO.

Just my 2 cents too many,

Rich





Plus, modellng products just 'feel' different.  If you
-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"

On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, Andreas Willers wrote:

> wow,
>  maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6....
> may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - > Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/= echoPark.html


yes the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and "Ducking" are parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting= up a
laptop looping meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added
"Reverse". If you buy one, Andreas, can you post a review?  = ;-)

All the best

Per Boysen --MS_Mac_OE_3179297664_55320_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 06:30:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TAR5M13176; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c4a60e$89b94570$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: EDP using the "metronome" midi note outs... Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:16:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4A53B.DDD3B830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4A53B.DDD3B830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have the manual in front of me so I can't quite remember what = the terms are called, but on the EDP, there are various midi notes sent = out on Start loop, 8ths notes and the loop point. I believe it is there = for recording onto a sequencer (and triggering the EDP later from these = notes??? Dunno? ) =20 But I have a question. I have the Korg MS2000R synth and it has a built = in analog sequencer. Right now I have to make a loop (to set the bpm) = and then very precisely hit a key on the Korg for it to be in synch. = Last night I tried "Playing the synth" from these midi notes that EDP = spits out. But all I want is ONE note PER BAR (I guess the loop point = note) not all the other notes. There doesn't seem to be anyway of = specifying this on EDP, so I was wondering if I can "filter out" all = notes I don't need??? I DO use a laptop in my setup, but would prefer = NOT to route the midi to and from this, I'm looking for a (CHEAP) box to = do this with (or a circuit, I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron) =20 Any ideas, or off the wall solutions appreciated.. =20 (Actually off the wall suggestions are positively encouraged!!!) =20 Cheers =20 Mark ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4A53B.DDD3B830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don=92t have the manual = in front of=20 me so I can=92t quite remember what the terms are called, but on the = EDP, there=20 are various midi notes sent out on Start loop, 8ths notes and the loop = point. I=20 believe it is there for recording onto a sequencer (and triggering the = EDP later=20 from these notes??? Dunno? )

 

But I have a question. I = have the=20 Korg MS2000R synth and it has a built in analog sequencer. Right now I = have to=20 make a loop (to set the bpm) and then very precisely hit a key on the = Korg for=20 it to be in synch. Last night I tried =93Playing the synth=94 from these = midi notes=20 that EDP spits out. But all I want is ONE note PER BAR (I guess the loop = point=20 note) not all the other notes. There doesn=92t seem to be anyway of = specifying=20 this on EDP, so I was wondering if I can =93filter out=94 all notes I = don=92t need???=20 I DO use a laptop in my setup, but would prefer NOT to route the midi to = and=20 from this, I=92m looking for a (CHEAP) box to do this with (or a = circuit, I=92m=20 pretty handy with a soldering iron)

 

Any ideas, or off the wall = solutions=20 appreciated..

 

(Actually off the wall = suggestions=20 are positively encouraged!!!)

 

Cheers

 

Mark

= ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4A53B.DDD3B830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 06:59:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TAu6U15922; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:56:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP using the "metronome" midi note outs... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:58:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_034C_01C4A623.FA52C0D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c4a60e$89b94570$6f00a8c0@tl.no> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_034C_01C4A623.FA52C0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you don't need the 8th/Cycle (8th/Beat for the blonde EDP) you could set it to 1. This will at least make the Sub-Cycle note being always played together with the Cycle StartPoint note. If you avoid using Multiply then you will never get the Loop StartPoint note. That's probably restricting quite a lot of EDP features... BTW: the manual is available online: http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/UsersGuide.shtml Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: markred [mailto:mark@mark-red.com] Sent: Dienstag, 28. September 2004 09:17 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP using the "metronome" midi note outs... I don’t have the manual in front of me so I can’t quite remember what the terms are called, but on the EDP, there are various midi notes sent out on Start loop, 8ths notes and the loop point. I believe it is there for recording onto a sequencer (and triggering the EDP later from these notes??? Dunno? ) But I have a question. I have the Korg MS2000R synth and it has a built in analog sequencer. Right now I have to make a loop (to set the bpm) and then very precisely hit a key on the Korg for it to be in synch. Last night I tried “Playing the synth” from these midi notes that EDP spits out. But all I want is ONE note PER BAR (I guess the loop point note) not all the other notes. There doesn’t seem to be anyway of specifying this on EDP, so I was wondering if I can “filter out” all notes I don’t need??? I DO use a laptop in my setup, but would prefer NOT to route the midi to and from this, I’m looking for a (CHEAP) box to do this with (or a circuit, I’m pretty handy with a soldering iron) Any ideas, or off the wall solutions appreciated.. (Actually off the wall suggestions are positively encouraged!!!) Cheers Mark ------=_NextPart_000_034C_01C4A623.FA52C0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you=20 don't need the 8th/Cycle (8th/Beat for the blonde EDP) you could set it = to 1.=20 This will at least make the Sub-Cycle note being always played together = with the=20 Cycle StartPoint note. If you avoid using Multiply then you will never = get the=20 Loop StartPoint note. That's probably restricting quite a lot of EDP=20 features...
BTW:=20 the manual is available online:
http://ww= w.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf
http://www.gibson= echoplex.com/UsersGuide.shtml
Bernhard
 
-----Original Message-----
From: markred=20 [mailto:mark@mark-red.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 28. September = 2004=20 09:17
To: = loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP=20 using the "metronome" midi note outs...

I don=92t have the = manual in front=20 of me so I can=92t quite remember what the terms are called, but on = the EDP,=20 there are various midi notes sent out on Start loop, 8ths notes and = the loop=20 point. I believe it is there for recording onto a sequencer (and = triggering=20 the EDP later from these notes??? Dunno? = )

 

But I have a question. I = have the=20 Korg MS2000R synth and it has a built in analog sequencer. Right now I = have to=20 make a loop (to set the bpm) and then very precisely hit a key on the = Korg for=20 it to be in synch. Last night I tried =93Playing the synth=94 from = these midi=20 notes that EDP spits out. But all I want is ONE note PER BAR (I guess = the loop=20 point note) not all the other notes. There doesn=92t seem to be anyway = of=20 specifying this on EDP, so I was wondering if I can =93filter out=94 = all notes I=20 don=92t need??? I DO use a laptop in my setup, but would prefer NOT to = route the=20 midi to and from this, I=92m looking for a (CHEAP) box to do this with = (or a=20 circuit, I=92m pretty handy with a soldering = iron)

 

Any ideas, or off the = wall=20 solutions appreciated..

 

(Actually off the wall = suggestions=20 are positively encouraged!!!)

 

Cheers

 

Mark

<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_034C_01C4A623.FA52C0D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 09:30:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TDNmU32322; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1096464187.415ab73bba930@webmail.dotster.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:23:07 -0700 From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 209.86.136.124 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com Subject: Gig Spam Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on southcarolina.backend X-Spam-Report: * 0.3 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name * 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS * [209.86.136.124 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 2.5 RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK RBL: Sent directly from dynamic IP address * [209.86.136.124 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1CCeQF-00063V-O3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Happy Loopers, I'll be doing some bass looping gigs this coming weekend. Trip Wamsley (another bass looper and cool-guy extraodinaire) will join me for three of them. Here's the info: These are with Trip... Thurs Sept. 30th Cups at Fondren Jackson, MS 8pm Free Admission Friday Oct. 1st Something Brewing Conway, AR 8Pm Free Saturday Oct 2nd Arsaga's Crossover Fayetteville, AR 8pm free This one's just me... Sunday Oct. 3rd Piedmont Park (Atlanta Celebrates Photography) Atlanta, GA 3-6pm free Then Sat. Oct 9th BassUp! (bass celebration...with much looping) Redlight Cafe 553 Amsterdam Ave Atlanta, GA 8Pm $8 Here's the websites www.darrenmichaelsbass.com www.tripwamsley.com www.bassup.net All the events are ALL AGES so bring the kiddies...we now return to the regular discussion about the Echoplex Happy Looping, Darren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 11:10:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TF2lq10378; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI controller for loop set up (was MidiMate vs All access) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:02:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928163204.027feca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.158.247.99] at Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:01:52 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 15:01 28/09/04, you wrote: >>Do you know anything about the Yamaha MPC-10? Seems like it >will send 100 >>control changes. That's a lot but I am suspicious. >>I downloaded the manual at Yamaha. It seems like it's 3 categories of >>control messages so probably 10 that are usable for the EDP. >I called, no >>response yet. > >MFC-10 >lots of features, >but totally useless because of a delay between >hitting the switch, and the message being sent. >It's confirmed by Yamaha's UK tech support guy as being >100ms ! > >No good for controlling ANY looper. > > >andy butler 100ms - Yikes!! That might explain some trouble I was having triggering Live accurately a while ago when I was trying it with an MFC-10. Is there recommended footswitch with signifigantly less delay I could try? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 13:14:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8THBJd27303; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:11:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c49e73$02cdb5c0$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <000e01c49e73$02cdb5c0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:10:19 +0900 To: From: Sunao Inami Subject: RE: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, sorry for delay reply... the yellow rack is "Tee Bee"that bass module from Holland.. right one is 808. I modified trigger ins per sound modules. about the setup, we have own small gig place and studio in Kobe, http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/ then I don't need the time for set up.. sometimes we streaming web cast gig from there. so,other little my setting is below, http://www.cavestudio.com/gallery/gallery_photos/2004/july/P1150897.JPG and live sound is http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/sep_2004/live1_11th_Sep_2004.mp3 but I don't use analog stuff for gig in outside of our studio,then I use Powerbook.. yes,problem is carry.. I am using Live and Reaktor mainly with samples from my analog stuff.. I will use Powerbook and iBook G4 for the Y2K4 festival. Sunao At 8:03 PM +0200 04.9.19, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Sunao, > >for someone who sees a laptop as the centre of his live setup, you do have a >lot of very special devices in your setup...although I can't say I do >recognize all of them. Two oldskool drum machines left in the front (is the >right one a 808? I've never seen a real one in my life...but what is the one >behind it). The synthesized set up accordeon-style I take to be an old Korg >(MS20 ?), and then I recognize a Roland Space Echo, a Digitech RDS device, >on top a Sherman Filterbank? and below the Space Echo? Then of course the >super-cheap mixer, and the yellow rack device I know I've seen before but >can't remember... > >Is your setup for live gigs set up like this? How long does it take you to >set it up at a gig? > > Rainer > >Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sunao Inami [mailto:webmaster@cavestudio.com] >> Sent: Sonntag, 19. September 2004 19:32 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: effects for drums (decent drum machine hardware) >> >> >> Hi, >> >> My main gear of live gig is laptop now, but sometimes I still >> use analog stuff. >> I am loving my 808 since 1980.. and I loved the with effects.. >> >> my live gig set up photo and mp3 is below, >> >> http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback/200 >> 3/11_17/P1040696.JPG >> >> http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/07072003_1.mp3 >> >> http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/07072003_2.mp3 >> >> Thanks >> >> Sunao >> >> >> At 0:57 AM -0700 04.9.19, loop.pool wrote: >> >Rainer wrote: >> > >> >"recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the >> device I got for >> >something like ?30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX >> and Eclipse...)" >> > >> >God, Rainer, I'm glad someone else loves the Zoom 1201. >> > >> >When I first bought it brand new, it had the ugliest graphics of any >> >piece of hardware I had ever owned >> >so I covered it with shiny holographic paper that I thought was cool >> >(and most people probably think is the >> >ugliest covering they have ever seen on a piece of hardware). >> > >> > I wrote all the presets on top of the box and then put it in my >> >rack and realized that, >> >much to my chagrin (and ultimate foolishness) that you can't read >> >the top of a rack effect when it racked with other effects. >> > >> >I felt really stupid but it is such a cheap box that now I think of >> >it as my 'mystery processing box'. >> >I can put anything through any of the 'wierd' bank of effects and >> >something interesting will happen. >> > >> >Now I kind of like not knowing more than I liked being able to read >> >the front panel. >> > >> >Great box!!!! >> > >> >Rick >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 14:11:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TI3sE01300; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Phasmatodea and Tengu, Raleigh NC, 1-2 Oct 2004 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <3iXCg.A.nS.YjvWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listmembers Adrian and I will be playing as our dual Chapman Stick looping improvisational project Phasmatodea this Friday night in Raleigh, NC. We're playing sets at 6pm and midnight. Several other experimental, electronic, and improv groups will also be playing on Friday night and Saturday afternoon. If you make it to the show, say hello. I'm also playing as half of the improv duo Tengu on Saturday afternoon at 4. I'll be looping Stick and theremin with my friend Anthony providing vocals. What: NC Atari and Classic Game Convention http://www.ncacgc.com/ Where: Glitter Gallery/Father & Sons Antiques, Raleigh map: http://www.redlinelabs.com/ncacgc/location.htm thanks, Steve and Adrian Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ "Phasmatodea, n.: a not-so-ambient dual/duel Chapman Stick improvisational soundscapes duo." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 16:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TKJlG16788; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.2c0aa10c.2e8c729d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:18:37 EDT Subject: yo yo yo eh? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d9.2c0aa10c.2e8c729d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <1sebY.A.tEE.3ixWBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d9.2c0aa10c.2e8c729d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/28/04 8:06:45 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > 7:00 Michael Klobuchar -1* > rickeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!.....beyond cool!.....a better spot could not be asked for.....tanks.....xoxox.....your humble scoots --part1_1d9.2c0aa10c.2e8c729d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/28/04 8:06:45 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


7:00 Michael Klobuchar -1*


rickeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!.....beyond cool!.....a better spot could not be aske= d for.....tanks.....xoxox.....your humble scoots --part1_1d9.2c0aa10c.2e8c729d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 19:03:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8TN0KF02167; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025401c4a678$01319710$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: a beautiful looping clip: Darin Schaffer Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:59:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw a beautitufl and impressive live looping clip and wanted everyone to see it if you have the time. http://www.littlebeast.com/darin/dive.html yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 23:30:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8U3RWD29318; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: EDP using the "metronome" midi note outs... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:27:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4A662.B6784E40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c4a60e$89b94570$6f00a8c0@tl.no> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSmDxRj9Tsiz8XdQX+K/1H3Z/9K+QAgKNZw Message-Id: <20040930032712.ILAF11855.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4A662.B6784E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, this may not be exactly what you want, but I have the Korg MS2000, and what I've been doing through Live 4, say, for a one bar loop, is to set up a midi clip with a whole note for 4 beats to trigger the MS2000, and on the same row or scene, set up a one shot midi clip, 5 beats long for the EDP. there's only 2 quarter notes in this midi clip, on the 1st beat, a D1 to trigger the Record button, and on the 5th beat, a D#1 to trigger the Overdub button. by clicking (one way or the other) on the scene launch button for that row, you trigger all the clips at the same time. this syncs up everything perfectly to start with, and I let the loop for the MS2000 go for a couple of measures, so it layers nice and strongly, until I start doing things on the synth. you can also set up on the same scene, midi clips for as many beats as you want, to play a drum machine, or a bass line, for example. this get all the "pots" cooking in sync, and then you can start "stirring" them up, so to speak. (boy, this "cooking" jive really dates me :) you also have to route the Korg MS2000R channel to the EDP, one way or another. if you have more than the synth going, you'd probably want to set up everything to slave to Live 4, because they do start to drift after awhile. hope I didn't mis-understand you completely! Tom _____ From: markred [mailto:mark@mark-red.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:17 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP using the "metronome" midi note outs... I don't have the manual in front of me so I can't quite remember what the terms are called, but on the EDP, there are various midi notes sent out on Start loop, 8ths notes and the loop point. I believe it is there for recording onto a sequencer (and triggering the EDP later from these notes??? Dunno? ) But I have a question. I have the Korg MS2000R synth and it has a built in analog sequencer. Right now I have to make a loop (to set the bpm) and then very precisely hit a key on the Korg for it to be in synch. Last night I tried "Playing the synth" from these midi notes that EDP spits out. But all I want is ONE note PER BAR (I guess the loop point note) not all the other notes. There doesn't seem to be anyway of specifying this on EDP, so I was wondering if I can "filter out" all notes I don't need??? I DO use a laptop in my setup, but would prefer NOT to route the midi to and from this, I'm looking for a (CHEAP) box to do this with (or a circuit, I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron) Any ideas, or off the wall solutions appreciated.. (Actually off the wall suggestions are positively encouraged!!!) Cheers Mark ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4A662.B6784E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
this may not be exactly what you want, but I = have the=20 Korg MS2000, and what I've been doing through Live = 4, say,=20 for a one bar loop, is to set up a midi clip with a whole note for 4 = beats to=20 trigger the MS2000, and on the same row or scene, set up a one shot midi = clip, 5=20 beats long for the EDP.  there's only 2 quarter notes in this midi = clip, on=20 the 1st beat, a D1 to trigger the Record button, and on the 5th beat, a = D#1 to=20 trigger the Overdub button.  =
 
by clicking (one way = or the other)=20 on the scene launch button for that row, you trigger all the clips at = the same=20 time.  this syncs up everything perfectly to start with, and I let = the loop=20 for the MS2000 go for a couple of measures, so it layers nice and = strongly,=20 until I start doing things on the=20 synth.
 
you can also set up on the same scene, midi clips for as many = beats as=20 you want, to play a drum machine, or a bass line, for = example.  this=20 get all the "pots" cooking in sync, and then you can start "stirring" = them up,=20 so to speak.  (boy, this "cooking" jive really dates me=20 :)
 
you also have to route the Korg MS2000R channel to the EDP, one = way or=20 another.
 
if you have more = than the synth=20 going, you'd probably want to set up everything to slave to Live 4, = because they=20 do start to drift after awhile.
 
hope I didn't mis-understand you = completely!
 
Tom
 

From: markred = [mailto:mark@mark-red.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:17 AM
To:=20 loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP using the = "metronome"=20 midi note outs...

I don’t have the = manual in front of=20 me so I can’t quite remember what the terms are called, but on the = EDP, there=20 are various midi notes sent out on Start loop, 8ths notes and the loop = point. I=20 believe it is there for recording onto a sequencer (and triggering the = EDP later=20 from these notes??? Dunno? )

 

But I have a question. I = have the=20 Korg MS2000R synth and it has a built in analog sequencer. Right now I = have to=20 make a loop (to set the bpm) and then very precisely hit a key on the = Korg for=20 it to be in synch. Last night I tried “Playing the synth” = from these midi notes=20 that EDP spits out. But all I want is ONE note PER BAR (I guess the loop = point=20 note) not all the other notes. There doesn’t seem to be anyway of = specifying=20 this on EDP, so I was wondering if I can “filter out” all = notes I don’t need???=20 I DO use a laptop in my setup, but would prefer NOT to route the midi to = and=20 from this, I’m looking for a (CHEAP) box to do this with (or a = circuit, I’m=20 pretty handy with a soldering iron)

 

Any ideas, or off the wall = solutions=20 appreciated..

 

(Actually off the wall = suggestions=20 are positively encouraged!!!)

 

Cheers

 

Mark

= ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4A662.B6784E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 23:35:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8U3Qp729234; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:26:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4A662.9322BE30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4A662.9322BE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"I sold my Pod Pro a few months back primarily for 3 reasons. 1.. I began to hear the digital goo going on in the background, its subtle but its there. I slight bit of background distortion for lack of a better description, mostly noticeable on clean fender black face type settings. 2. I noticed minute latency,in the signal, however slight, but just a slight lag time. 3. It was missing some of the touch sensitivity of a real tube amp, the natural compression that a tube gives. What some players describe as the amps ability to breath. All this being said I'm still a fan of modeling, and in the case of the new vox stuff, they are getting there act together as far as the "feel" issue goes. The latency and digital noise I described are not noticeable in a full mix, so they are still a viable tool in the recording environment, particularly when one can't play loud and needs to go direct. And Live the digital noise factor is a non-issue, though I have heard the knock that modeling amps sound thin live, that has not been my experience. But the feel issue is a big issue for most guitarists I believe, and until they get that really nailed the die hards will remain die hards. I'm fortunate in that I own a couple of vintage tube amps that I didn't pay a King's ransom for. I also own a groove tubes trio preamp, left over from the rack crazy 90"s. Even with that I have to use a cabinet simulator, and its not quite the same as a mic'd tube amp in terms of dynamics and sense of air.. But for the guy who doesn't have the sheckles to buy a vintage tube amp or something new and boutique, Modeling offers a versatile good sounding, affordable alternative. That $250 30 watt new vox modeling amp sounds fantastic!. $250 for excellent good feeling models of several classic amps. And who knows ,perhaps the kid who plays a modeling amp will be inspired to seek out the real thing like I did after playing around with models of Vox ac15's and 30's. As far as modeling effects goes, I own a couple of DL4's and I love them, I feel I could play a gig with just one of those as my looper (though I'd prefer two). Sure they have noisy switches and yes, I've heard cleaner delays (far dirtier one too), but they are, as far as I know, the only available looper that allows you to use the loop function and have a secondary echo type delay with control over delay time, regeneration and depth, simultaneously. (owners of Rangs and DL20's can chime in here, I haven't thoroughly checked either pedal out.) The other great feature is the dedicated expression pedal which I'm surprised more people haven't raved about on LD. The ability to set up two different snap shots of a delay's settings, and morph between them can yield real flexibility on a pedal with only three preset locations, not to mention great command over regeneration or delay time or mix, or all of them at once. Ok so this is my long winded way of saying to Andreas W and all the other modeling nay sayers....Give some of the newer stuff a try, who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised. About tuners,, haven't checked out the guyatone. I have an Intelli -touch tuner that easily and non abrasively clamps on the headstock and can be folded in so its not wagging in the breeze. it seems accurate and I like the fact I don't have to plug in to it at all, it senses vibration, and can be clamped on virtually any guitar that has a head stock. .Well maybe not a parker fly....Runs on those little wafer batteries which is a drag, but I've had mine about three years, and have yet to change batteries, probably because they have an automatic shut off circuit that powers down after a few minutes of non activity, Sweet.. I also like the tiny cheap Korg models, really small and accurate. Ok I've prattled long enough Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:14 AM To: LD to post Subject: RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" Hi, I have to aggree. I personally think that the whole modelling thing is simply crap and analog is the way to go whenever possible as long as it's not an add-on effect like reverb or (loop-) delay. But just last week I thought I'd immediately get a box that would do standard delay fare plus ducking, reverse and modulation to broaden the options of my Danelectro BackTalk reverse delay. (The DL-4 takes is too big for my board, I loop with the EDP). So here it is, and I will give it a chance for shure. Although the nice grainy sound of the Dano is quite something. BTW, what is the best compact guitar tuner on the market? Anyone tried the Guyatone? Andreas In my opinion, anyone interested in Line 6 gear, and modeling gear in general, owes it to themselves to actually TRY the stuff out firsthand. There is so much hype with these newly released gizmo's, and Line6 is the biggest culprit of touting the wonders of their new products. The user base are the beta testers, essentially! and if and when the limitations of the gear becomes an issue, quite possibly Line6 isn't going to do anything about it, or they have already moved their focus onto their next product. If you're ok with that (and begrudgingly, I am, cuz I own a few L6 products), then go ahead and buy. Also, although L6 claims the superiority of their products, they still often don't 'feel' like the real thing....they are more like 'their own thing'. Again, as long as you're ok with that, more power to you. I just encourage you to try it out and make sure it fits you, rather than thinking Line 6 is overtly concerned about rock solid performance and user interfaces. They seems to just leave the icing off the cake in favor of selling more units, IMO. Just my 2 cents too many, Rich Plus, modellng products just 'feel' different. If you -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore" On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, Andreas Willers wrote: > wow, > maybe time for my first piece of equipment from Line 6.... > may be of interest to some.....Click Here: Check out "Line 6 - > Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html yes the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and "Ducking" are parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting up a laptop looping meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added "Reverse". If you buy one, Andreas, can you post a review? ;-) All the best Per Boysen ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4A662.9322BE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"
I sold=20 my Pod Pro a few months back primarily for 3 reasons. =
1.. I=20 began to hear the digital goo going on in the background, its subtle = but =20 its there. I slight bit of background distortion for lack of a better=20 description, mostly noticeable on clean fender black face type=20 settings.
2. I=20 noticed minute latency,in the signal, however slight, but just a slight = lag=20 time.
3. It=20 was missing some of the touch sensitivity of a real tube amp, the = natural=20 compression that a tube gives. What some players describe as the amps = ability to=20 breath.
 
All=20 this being said I'm still a fan of modeling, and in the case of the new = vox=20 stuff, they are getting there act together as far as the "feel" issue = goes. The=20 latency and digital noise I described are not noticeable in a full mix, = so they=20 are still a viable tool in the recording environment, particularly when = one=20 can't play loud and needs to go direct. And Live the digital noise = factor is a=20 non-issue, though I have heard the knock that modeling amps sound thin = live,=20 that has not been my experience. But the feel issue is a big issue for = most=20 guitarists I believe, and until they get that really nailed the die = hards will=20 remain die hards.  I'm fortunate in that I own = a couple of=20 vintage tube amps that I didn't pay a King's ransom for. I also own a = groove=20 tubes trio preamp, left over from the rack crazy 90"s. Even with that I = have to=20 use a cabinet simulator, and its not quite the same as a mic'd tube amp = in terms=20 of dynamics and sense of air.. But for the guy who doesn't have the = sheckles to=20 buy a vintage tube amp or something new and boutique, Modeling offers a=20 versatile good sounding, affordable alternative. That $250 30 watt new = vox=20 modeling amp sounds fantastic!. $250 for excellent good feeling models = of=20 several classic amps. And who knows ,perhaps the kid who plays a = modeling amp=20 will be inspired to seek out the real thing like I did after playing = around with=20 models of Vox ac15's and 30's.  As far as modeling effects goes, I = own a=20 couple of DL4's and I love them, I feel I could play a gig with just one = of=20 those as my looper (though I'd prefer two). Sure they have noisy = switches and=20 yes, I've heard cleaner delays (far dirtier one too), but they are, as = far as I=20 know, the only available looper  that allows you to use the loop = function=20 and have a secondary echo type delay with control over delay time, = regeneration=20 and depth, simultaneously. (owners of Rangs and DL20's can chime in = here, I=20 haven't thoroughly checked either pedal out.)  The other great = feature is=20 the dedicated expression pedal which I'm surprised more people haven't = raved=20 about on LD. The ability to set up two different snap shots of a delay's = settings, and morph between them can yield real flexibility on a pedal = with only=20 three preset locations, not to mention great command over regeneration = or delay=20 time or mix, or all of them at once. Ok so this is my long winded way of = saying=20 to Andreas W and all the other modeling nay sayers....Give some of the = newer=20 stuff a try,  who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised. =  About=20 tuners,, haven't checked out the guyatone. I have an Intelli -touch = tuner=20 that  easily and non abrasively clamps on the headstock and can be = folded=20 in so its not wagging in the breeze. it seems accurate and I like the = fact I=20 don't have to plug in to it at all, it senses vibration, and can be = clamped on=20 virtually any guitar that has a head stock. .Well maybe not a = parker=20 fly....Runs on those little wafer batteries which is a drag, but I've = had mine=20 about three years, and have yet to change batteries,  probably = because they=20 have an automatic shut off circuit that powers down after a few minutes = of non=20 activity, Sweet.. I also like the tiny cheap  Korg models, really = small and=20 accurate.
Ok=20 I've prattled long enough
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Willers=20 [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de]
Sent: Wednesday, September = 29, 2004=20 1:14 AM
To: LD to post
Subject: RE: Check out = "Line 6 -=20 Tonecore"

Hi,

I have to aggree. I = personally think=20 that the whole modelling thing is simply crap and analog is the way to = go=20 whenever possible as long as it's not an add-on effect like reverb or = (loop-)=20 delay. But just last week I thought I'd immediately get a box that = would do=20 standard delay fare plus ducking, reverse and modulation to broaden = the=20 options of my Danelectro BackTalk reverse delay. (The DL-4 takes is = too big=20 for my board, I loop with the EDP). So here it is, and I will give it = a chance=20 for shure. Although the nice grainy sound of the Dano is quite=20 something.

BTW, what is the best compact guitar  tuner on = the=20 market? Anyone tried the Guyatone?

Andreas

In my = opinion,=20 anyone interested in Line 6 gear, and modeling gear in
general, = owes it to=20 themselves to actually TRY the stuff out firsthand.
There is so = much hype=20 with these newly released gizmo's, and Line6 is
the biggest culprit = of=20 touting the wonders of their new products.  The
user base are = the beta=20 testers, essentially!  and if and when the
limitations of the = gear=20 becomes an issue, quite possibly Line6 isn't
going to do anything = about it,=20 or they have already moved their focus
onto their next = product.

If=20 you're ok with that (and begrudgingly, I am, cuz I own a few = L6
products),=20 then go ahead and buy.

Also, although L6 claims the superiority = of=20 their products, they still
often don't 'feel' like the real = thing....they=20 are more like 'their own
thing'.  Again, as long as you're ok = with=20 that, more power to you.  I
just encourage you to try it out = and make=20 sure it fits you, rather than
thinking Line 6 is overtly concerned = about=20 rock solid performance and
user interfaces.  They seems to = just leave=20 the icing off the cake in
favor of selling more units, = IMO.

Just my=20 2 cents too many,

Rich





Plus, modellng = products=20 just 'feel' different.  If you
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] =
Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subj= ect:=20 Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"

On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, = Andreas=20 Willers wrote:

> wow,
>  maybe time for my first = piece of=20 equipment from Line 6....
> may be of interest to some.....Click = Here:=20 Check out "Line 6 -
> Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html


yes=20 the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and =
"Ducking" are=20 parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting up a
laptop = looping=20 meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added
"Reverse". If = you buy=20 one, Andreas, can you post a review?  ;-)

All the = best

Per=20 Boysen
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4A662.9322BE30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 00:38:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8U4Uah03373; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: "| SquidLoop |" , Subject: RE: Semi Hollow Body Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <8689ad1f04092809405014d0c2@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there, Joe, You may want to take a peak at http://www.fatdawg.com/jazz.html he's got a few different models that may or may not be able to fit the bill. I've got one of the Gene V's and I really enjoy the sound, reminds me of a L5 moreso than anything else. Hope this helps, Lee -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:TentacleJoe@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:40 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Semi Hollow Body HI Guys, I'm looking into trading in one of my amps for a cheap / used hollow body guitar and I was wondering if anybody on the list had some recommendations for used guitars in the $600 range. I've looked at some Yamahas and Washburns but was curious if anybody out there used anything a bit more obscure that sounded really good that I may not be aware of? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 01:11:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8U59GH07495; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Looping rookie needs advice Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:08:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C4A670.E1C441E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1d8.2bf1fce9.2e89e7a6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSk3dTp/NWj1Q9LSzqkjAdXBRyingBwvWVA Message-Id: <20040930050836.JXUY15891.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C4A670.E1C441E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Benjy, I'm assuming from what's been said, that your drum set is all acoustic? one thing that I've seen, in the early days of electronic drums, was an acoustic kit, with, say, electronic tom's. my understanding was that they really couldn't get good samples of snares rolls, or cymbals back then. but the tom's sounded new and cool. all this has changed, of course, but you have to lay down some bucks for a good electronic set. so what I've been thinking out of the box is, maybe to mix in some electronic drums, if they still sell them separately, or something like a Roland SPD20 Total Percussion Pad, and patch only those through the EDP, e.g., so you don't get all the other sounds layering. another way could be to record a groove that's not too busy on one looper or sequencer, and then start layering other sounds on say, the EDP, where you can pull back the feedback, when it starts getting too dense. all this would have to be mixed properly, of course. if you had really good drum mikes, you might be able to mike different drums to different channels, and then send some of those to the EDP. but that still might result in the sounds bleeding together? once you've found a way to do all this techy stuff, I'd also start with simple rhythms for the looper, and then start mixing in some polyrhythms and textures, maybe with some effects, using something like the old Jim Chapin independents among the hands and feet. if you use some delay, you really don't have to play too many notes. well anyway, I've re-mixed Rick's advice, and thrown caution to the wind. Tom _____ From: ErnstPWrrl@aol.com [mailto:ErnstPWrrl@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping rookie needs advice Jon, Thanks for the advice. I've seen a couple drummers do looping very tastefully -- not playing over what they've put down and each loop complementing the next. I still would like to figure out the best way to go about doing all this -- any recommendations on gear; both the looping unit and mic/mixer setups? Thanks again! Benjy. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C4A670.E1C441E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Benjy, I'm = assuming from=20 what's been said, that your drum set is all acoustic?
 
one thing = that I've seen,=20 in the early days of electronic drums,  was an acoustic kit, = with,=20 say, electronic tom's.  my understanding was that they = really=20 couldn't get good samples of snares rolls, or cymbals back then.  = but the=20 tom's sounded new and cool.
 
all this = has changed, of=20 course, but you have to lay down some bucks for a good electronic=20 set. 
 
so what = I've been=20 thinking out of the box is, maybe to mix in some electronic = drums, if=20 they still sell them separately, or something like a Roland SPD20=20 Total Percussion Pad, and patch only those through the EDP, e.g., = so you=20 don't get all the other sounds layering.
 
another way = could be=20 to record a groove that's not too busy on one looper or sequencer, = and then=20 start layering other sounds on say, the EDP, where you can pull back the = feedback, when it starts getting too dense. 
 
all this = would have to be=20 mixed properly, of course.
 
if you had = really good=20 drum mikes, you might be able to mike different drums to different=20 channels, and then send some of those to the EDP.  but that still = might=20 result in the sounds bleeding together?
 
once you've = found a way=20 to do all this techy stuff, I'd also start with simple rhythms for = the=20 looper, and then start mixing in some polyrhythms and textures, maybe = with some=20 effects, using something like the old Jim Chapin independents among the = hands=20 and feet.  if you use some delay, you really don't have to play too = many=20 notes.
 
well = anyway, I've=20 re-mixed Rick's advice, and thrown caution to the=20 wind.
 
Tom

From: ErnstPWrrl@aol.com = [mailto:ErnstPWrrl@aol.com]=20
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:01 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looping = rookie needs=20 advice

Jon,
 
Thanks for the advice.  I've seen a couple drummers do looping = very=20 tastefully -- not playing over what they've put down and each loop = complementing=20 the next.  I still would like to figure out the best way to go = about doing=20 all this -- any recommendations on gear; both the looping unit and = mic/mixer=20 setups? 
 
Thanks again!
Benjy.
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C4A670.E1C441E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 07:50:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8UBht411225; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c4a6e2$637331d0$68e4a850@oemcomputer> From: "David Newman" To: Subject: Audiobulb News :::: October 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:40:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C4A6EA.B80CA110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C4A6EA.B80CA110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Audiobulb News :::: 01.10.2004 It has been a busy month @ Audiobulb > with over 10 000 people visiting = the website :::: we are becoming visible to more people :::: =20 New Artists > Audiobulb is proud to announce its association with more innovative = electronic artists ::::: Calika: Simon Kealoha brings detailed electronic dub glitch grooves - = incorporating real instrumentation and magnificent production skills. = Based in Brighton - UK Simon's talent extends across electronic and = traditional jazz instrumentation. His first track is due to appear on = the forthcoming "Intricate Maximals" compilation and we will be hoping = to bring you his first full length album in the coming year. Ochre: Chris Leary is already known to the electronic scene for his = outstanding compositional skills with a natural ability to write = compelling and complex melodies and rhythms. Chris has a clutch of = quality releases to his name including the Sound System Bangers Volume 1 = (Repeat Music) EP and compilation appearances on Igloo Trax (Igloo = Magazine); One Point One (Rednetic Recordings); Region Zero (Boltfish = Recordings); Sample + Hold (Unschooled Records). Audiobulb have gotten = hold of Chris with the aim of giving him some release space to explore = more abstract elements within his writing skills. Intricate Maximals = will see the release of Ochre's shimmering track - 'shiver box'. Radio >> 23.09.2004 - John Peel (BBC Radio 1) featured He Can Jog's - 'june - = that is when the smaller sparrow began to cantilate' taken from the = album Switches. You can hear John explaining what the title means here = :::: = http://www.audiobulb.com/Switchesandsamples/hecanjog-on-john-peel-radio1.= mp3 SOPHIA vsti >>> The SOPHIA vsti has been well received by electronic music makers. Mac = OS users have been disappointed that it is not available for their = format and we acknowledge that. SOPHIA's cpu drain has been decreased by = 20% with the release of version 1.1 which can be downloaded here :::: = http://www.audiobulb.co.uk/create/sophia/Sophia1_1.zip SOPHIA is to feature on the front cover CD of Future Music a magazine = dedicated to electronic music making and computers. FM 151 is the = relaunch edition of the magazine and will bring SOPHIA to a new audience = of music makers.=20 Reviews >>>> Resident Advisor review of Switches :::: = http://www.residentadvisor.net/review_view.asp?ID=3D2091 Facteur 4 review of Switches :::: = http://facteur.4.free.fr/info_facteur4.htm Distribution >>>>> Audiobulb are proud to announce European distribution via Nexus = http://www.nexusound.com/ - so ask for the CD @ your local record shop = EU people. Audiobulb > now available @ itunes (usa & europe) > load up your ipods. Street Team >>>>> I'm looking for three people - 1 US, 1 Europe & 1 Australia/Japan to = gently plug Audiobulb across message boards they frequent. The aim is = not to blatantly spam - but to bring up audiobulb as and when relevant = so that our profile grows on relevant boards. The street team will = receive free CDs in return for their work. If interested drop me an = email with an outline of where you feel you could influence.... Until next time :::: David @ Audiobulb Records www.audiobulb.com x > remove me > reply > =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C4A6EA.B80CA110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Audiobulb News = ::::=20 01.10.2004
It has been a=20 busy month @ Audiobulb > with over 10 000 people visiting the = website=20 :::: we are becoming visible to more people = ::::  
 
New Artists=20 >
Audiobulb is proud to = announce its=20 association with more innovative electronic artists = :::::
 
Calika: Simon Kealoha brings detailed electronic dub glitch = grooves -=20 incorporating real instrumentation and magnificent production skills. = Based in=20 Brighton - UK Simon's talent extends across electronic and traditional = jazz=20 instrumentation. His first track is due to appear on the forthcoming=20 "Intricate Maximals" compilation and we will be hoping to bring = you his=20 first full length album in the coming year.
 
Ochre: Chris Leary is already known to the electronic scene for = his=20 outstanding compositional skills with a natural ability to write = compelling and complex melodies and rhythms. Chris has a = clutch of=20 quality releases to his name including the Sound System Bangers = Volume 1=20 (Repeat Music) EP and compilation appearances on Igloo Trax = (Igloo=20 Magazine); One Point One = (Rednetic=20 Recordings); Region Zero = (Boltfish=20 Recordings); Sample + Hold = (Unschooled=20 Records). Audiobulb = have gotten=20 hold of Chris with the aim of giving him some release space to = explore more=20 abstract elements within his writing skills. Intricate Maximals = will=20 see the release of Ochre's shimmering track - 'shiver=20 box'.
 
Radio = >>
23.09.2004 - John Peel (BBC Radio = 1) featured He Can = Jog's=20 -  'june - that is=20 when the smaller sparrow began to cantilate' taken from the album Switches. You = can hear=20 John explaining what the title means here :::: http://www.audiobulb.com/Switchesandsamples/hecanjog-on-j= ohn-peel-radio1.mp3
 
SOPHIA vsti=20 >>>
The SOPHIA vsti = has been well=20 received by electronic music makers. Mac OS users have been disappointed = that it=20 is not available for their format and we acknowledge that. SOPHIA's cpu=20 drain has been decreased by 20% with the release of version = 1.1 which=20 can be downloaded here :::: http://www.audiobulb.co.uk/create/sophia/Sophia1_1.zip
 
SOPHIA is to=20 feature on the front cover CD of Future Music a = magazine=20 dedicated to electronic music making and computers. FM 151 is = the=20 relaunch edition of the magazine and will bring SOPHIA to a new = audience of=20 music makers. 
 
Reviews=20 >>>>
Resident Advisor = review of=20 Switches :::: http://www.residentadvisor.net/review_view.asp?ID=3D2091<= /FONT>
 
Facteur 4 review = of Switches=20 :::: http://facteur.4.free.fr/info_facteur4.htm
 
Distribution=20 >>>>>
Audiobulb are = proud to announce=20 European distribution via Nexus http://www.nexusound.com/ - so=20 ask for the CD @ your local record shop EU = people.
 
Audiobulb > now = available @ itunes=20 (usa & europe) > load up your ipods.
 
Street Team=20 >>>>>
I'm looking for three = people  -=20 1 US, 1 Europe & 1 Australia/Japan to gently plug Audiobulb across = message=20 boards they frequent. The aim is not to blatantly spam - but to bring up = audiobulb as and when relevant so that our profile grows on relevant = boards. The=20 street team will receive free CDs in return for their work. If = interested drop=20 me an email with an outline of where you feel you could=20 influence....
 
Until next=20 time ::::
 
David @ Audiobulb=20 Records
www.audiobulb.com
 
 
 
x =20 >  remove me  > reply > =  

 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C4A6EA.B80CA110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 14:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8UIhj814770; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:42:52 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [microsound] Fifteen Inches Per Second In-Reply-To: <20040929045605.GDZQ11229.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040929045605.GDZQ11229.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, this rocked. ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: Keystroke to midi utility? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.162.80.231] at Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:07:27 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I remember hearing (I think on this list) about a small utility program that will generate midi events from computer keyboard keystrokes. Something that sits in the background and intercepts designated keystrokes and, allows your main apps to be in foreground and accepting other keystrokes. I've looked in the archive and couldn't find anything. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 16:56:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8UKtI306489; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:54:55 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Keystroke to midi utility? In-reply-to: To: michael@circular-logic.com Cc: Looper Delight List Message-id: <415C729F.5060704@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Stauffer wrote: >Hi, > >I remember hearing (I think on this list) about a small utility program >that will generate midi events from computer keyboard keystrokes. >Something that sits in the background and intercepts designated >keystrokes and, allows your main apps to be in foreground and accepting >other keystrokes. I've looked in the archive and couldn't find anything. >Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > > You may be remembering this, which translates MIDI events into keyboard keystrokes: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ But you want to go the other direction. There are lots of utilities that convert keyboard and mouse events into MIDI, but all of the ones I'm aware of require input focus, they can't run in the background. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 21:50:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i911l5Q06303; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:47:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:47:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:46:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004e01c48f4b$8e0c5ab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It occured to me you might want to post more specific directions to the Resonant church Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:14 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: FINAL CALL FOR PERFORMERS: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival I'd like to announce that there are a limited number of performance spots left for the Y2K4 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, October 8th (opening concert is full up) Saturday, October 9th Sunday, October 10th in Santa Cruz, California with the annual Loopers Brunch on Monday, October 11th Performance slots are non-paid and only artists who use live looping techniques in their music should apply. Each artist has a maximum of 20 minutes to set up, 30 minutes to play and 10 minutes to breakdown (with the help of a bunch of friendly loopers). If you are interested and I don't know your work, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE ON THIS LIST but send a CD of your live looping work to: Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 USA Producing this festival is pretty all consuming so please direct all enquiries to my personal e-mail address (RICKWALKER@looppool.info). I may not be able to read Loopers Delight's digest for several days at a time. I will post the details and final scheduling of the concert in about one week's time and will not have any time to respond to specific information requests until after that time. My apologies in advance. There are very few slots left so hurry if you are interested. Here's the first scoop on the festival: Y2K4 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Opening Concert: Art Gallery to be determined FRIDAY NIGHT, OCTOBER 8th 8 p.m. free admission to the public, all ages welcome SUNAO INAMI (Japan), ROBERTO ZORZI (Italy), MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR (United States) SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9th noon to midnight SUNDAY, OCTOBER 10th noon to midnight THE RESONANT CHURCH Pennsylvania 1/4 block south of Soquel Avenue $10 USD for each day with no one turned away for lack of funds SCHEDULED ARTISTS: Sunao Inami (Japan), Roberto Zorzi (Italy), lol C (England), Gareth Whittock (Wales), Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland) Bill Walker (Santa Cruz), Michael Klobuchar (Pennsylvania), Loop.pooL (Santa Cruz), Matt Davignon (Ca.), George Demarest (Massachusetss),Warren Sirota (New York), Are Jay Hoffman (US), Joe Balestreri (California), Andre Custodio (California), Phyll Smith (aka DArk Muse-California), Koorosh Daryiae (California/Persia), Stanitarium (California), Mark Hamburg (Santa Cruz), Trey Donovan (Ca.), Eric Oberthaler (Ca.), Timothy Crowe (Ca.), J Sidhlo (Texas), Dr.Richard Zvonar (Ca.), Max Valentino (Ca.), Chris Cutler (Santa Cruz), Gary Regina (Ca.), Ted Killian (Oregon). Leo Sauvageau and Ginger (US), Daniel Lewis and Pipa Pinon (Santa Cruz),Brian Kenney Fresno (Mars), Peter Chester and Deep Fried (Santa Cruz),Craig Mccollough (Santa Cruz) Annual Loopers Brunch: MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th 1 p.m. THE CATALYST (Pacific Avenue, Santa Cruz) Free except for price of brunch.