From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 03:35:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i717YUh20581; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410C9CEF.6060407@iinet.net.au> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:34:07 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: oberheim edp up for grabs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks, I have no intention at the moment of offering this up for general sale on ebay, but if a list member is interested in aquiring a beige face edp then email me off list. I love it to death but due to financial constraints and the need for new equipment that better suits my research I have to consolidate the studio a little. The edp seems to work in all functions except for one, one of the most important, which is overdub. In loop or delay mode it seems to be in permanent overdub, no matter what the overdub light is telling me. The memory is fully maxed, but it's only running loop 3. It's been sitting in my rack for most of the time I've owned it, but I can't vouch for it's previous life. There is no footswitch. Again, I'm only offering this to LD members for now, so feel free to make me an offer. I should say that I am in Australia, but will ship international. I've been a list member for a number of years, and for what it is worth, I have some (not much) feedback on ebay : http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewFeedback&userid=not8ohm&items=25 cheers Michael Noble ps: if anybody has any suggestions as to what might be causing the overdub problem, feel free to let me know as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 05:31:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i719RB208540; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 05:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 05:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c477a9$affba720$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040801013820.10656.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a volume pedal? Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:26:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4776F.0266E730" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <_KykPC.A.4EC.fdLDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4776F.0266E730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My gear is at my studio where I don't have an internet connection. I'll = try it from memory. ( I'm pretty tired so this may be a bit incoherant ) First, decide or figure out which continous controller number controlls = output volume and feedback. We'll set both of them to the A and B = expression pedals. Then, press the first FCB1010 button to select it. Then press and hold = down the Down button for 3 seconds. You will then be in edit mode. Then, just press Up once since you probably don't want to program the = switches at this time. You should now be able to assign, program = changes, continuous controller settings, expression pedal settings, and = note select settings. If the A and B expression pedal configuration buttons ( 9 and 10, I = think ) are not selected, press each one in turn for a few seconds ( = don't remember how long ) to make them light up.=20 Then just press the one for A briefly. It should flash. That means that = you will now be editing the expression pedal A setting for that button. Press Up ( Enter ) to get to the continous controller setting. Select = the correct number for the param you want to control and press Up ( = Enter ). You then need to set the zero value and the max value. Rock the = A exp pedal all the way back ( up ). The value should go to zero. Then press Up to get to the max value setting. Press the pedal all the = way forward to set the max value. Press Up to finish that. I'm not sure if there are any other things you have to do but you should = be back in the mode where you can select which param to edit. If you = are, deselect the A exp button ( 9 ) and select the exp B button ( 10 ). = Follow the same procedure to set this button. You can also go and set what note you want to trigger for that button if = you haven't already. Unfortunately, you have to do this for every button you want to use. = There is a way to copy presets but I don't know how to do that off-hand. Hope this helps. Check the reference charts for the FCB1010. Almost = everything you need to know is there. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ I really appreciate your help with this. When you have a moment and = your by your gear some more specific directions would be awesome. I = know that on the midi pedal 8 and 9 have something to do with the = pedals. It would be cool to use one pedal as the output volume on the = other as feedback. I'm going to see if I can figure out anything now. = I also got some advice from Andre Lafosse so we will see what happens. = I'm completely clueless with this midi stuff. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4776F.0266E730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My gear is at my studio where I don't = have an=20 internet connection. I'll try it from memory. ( I'm pretty tired so this = may be=20 a bit incoherant )
 
First, decide or figure out which = continous=20 controller number controlls output volume and feedback. We'll set both = of them=20 to the A and B expression pedals.
 
Then, press the first FCB1010 = button to select=20 it. Then press and hold down the Down button for 3 seconds. You will = then be in=20 edit mode.
 
Then, just press Up once since you = probably don't=20 want to program the switches at this time. You should now be able to = assign,=20 program changes, continuous controller settings, expression pedal = settings, and=20 note select settings.
 
If the A and B expression pedal = configuration=20 buttons ( 9 and 10, I think ) are not selected, press each one in turn = for a few=20 seconds ( don't remember how long ) to make them light up.
 
Then just press the one for A briefly. = It should=20 flash. That means that you will now be editing the expression pedal A = setting=20 for that button.
 
Press Up ( Enter ) to get to the = continous=20 controller setting. Select the correct number for the param you want to = control=20 and press Up ( Enter ). You then need to set the zero value and the max = value.=20 Rock the A exp pedal all the way back ( up ). The value should go to=20 zero.
 
Then press Up to get to the max value = setting.=20 Press the pedal all the way forward to set the max value. Press Up to = finish=20 that.
 
I'm not sure if there are any other = things you have=20 to do but you should be back in the mode where you can select which = param to=20 edit. If you are, deselect the A exp button ( 9 ) and select the = exp B=20 button ( 10 ). Follow the same procedure to set this = button.
 
You can also go and set what note you = want to=20 trigger for that button if you haven't already.
 
Unfortunately, you have to do this for = every button=20 you want to use. There is a way to copy presets but I don't know how to = do that=20 off-hand.
 
Hope this helps. Check the reference = charts for the=20 FCB1010. Almost everything you need to know is there.
 
- Dave
 
http://www.unpronounceable.= com/dave/
I really appreciate your help with this.  When you have a = moment and=20 your by your gear some more specific directions would be = awesome.  I know=20 that on the midi pedal 8 and 9 have something to do with the = pedals.  It=20 would be cool to use one pedal as the output volume on the other as=20 feedback.  I'm going to see if I can figure out anything = now.  I=20 also got some advice from Andre Lafosse so we will see what = happens.  I'm=20 completely clueless with this midi = stuff.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4776F.0266E730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 06:39:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i71Aani16929; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 06:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 06:36:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c477b3$57e14950$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <8D223176-E34D-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:36:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After 24 years at it, I can tell you that 90% of PC problems not involving hardware probs can be put down to bad configuration by a "tech" who didn't know what they were doing, or didn't pay enough attention (and you don't have to pay much these days either). On the hardware end, failures usually happen either immediately (within a few weeks, meaning a defective part, not a common occurrance) or after the Mean Failure period has passed. I've lost count of the number of PCs that were wonked up by a sloppy set-up before I got to 'em. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * (with links to Medialine) > There's your ad for Macintosh. I've had a G4 running since I got it > using Explorer, Word, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Mail, Safari, > iPhoto as well as my music apps Digital Performer 4 and Peak. They all > seem to run perfectly (Illustrator sometimes quits, but I'm sure that's > it's own fault) > > Inversely, my IS dept. at work confirms that the Dell boxes running XP > usually get slicked at least every 6 months when they start running > wonky. Most people I work with run Explorer, Outlook and MS office and > not much else. Friend's complaints seem to confirm this. What's up > with Windows and the need for reinstalling all the time? Now that > OS10.3 auto defrags in the background I don't even run a defrag > utility. > > Mark > > > On Jul 31, 2004, at 12:53 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >> I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC for stage and leave > >> my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its usually a hassle to > >> keep switching things if you have only one computer, so the PC I > >> would only use for playing, hoping that it would be ready for it at > >> all times... > > > > if you do this, you'll get great results if you install the minimal > > software you can, NEVER run Explorer or Outlook (promise me this!) or > > even never attach it to the net at all except to run the Windows > > update packages. I did this more or less and my rather slow cheap PC > > has continued to run smoothly for over a year with no maintenance. > > > > /t > > -- > > > > http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing > > list > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 08:13:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i71C8H431848; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c477c0$24dc4ca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: looping observations Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 05:07:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47785.786335E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47785.786335E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a little devils advocacy from the dark side (PC land): As soon as you get your system up and running (without connecting to the = internet yet)................ add your internet connectivity (if you can only afford the one computer = for both audio and music----I've never really been able to afford two at = once until recently)=20 and IMMEDIATELY make a GHOST with the program Norton GHOST (by = Symantec). This makes a perfect image of your operating system drive which you = store on your D (or secondary harddrive). Retain this ghost and call it VIRGIN GHOST. Then once a week make a new GHOST if your system is running really well = (certainly after you have added new hardware that runs well for a couple = of days). As you make new ghosts, erase your secondary ghosts but = always keep your VIRGIN GHOST intact (and off of your C drive). Now, no matter what ill strikes your vulnerable PC (and they are = vulnerable unlike Macs) , voila!!!! you are no more than 5 minutes away from a completely great working, = virus free machine. It's really not that difficult. The PC also forces one (because of = security issues) to back up with great regularity. We should do that = anyway, right? The PCs are also so much cheaper than the equivalent Macs that it's not = a big deal to invest in a really=20 good program to keep your system virus free, adware and spyware free = (these latter two are really scarier than=20 viruses to me). My brother has an excellent suite that does = everything. I think it's called Panda. I use Norton Anti Virus and System Mechanic 4. Never open attachments unless the person who sends it discusses exactly = what it is. Do these things and your new PC will run like a charm. Mine does. Now, make so much money with your next self recorded Looping CD that you = can buy a dual processor G5 and that rompin' stompin' PC with = hyperthreading technology............wireless network 'em up and then=20 you won't have to ever again take sides in the Mac/PC = debate..............lol........ ...........a looper can dream can't he? ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47785.786335E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a little devils advocacy from the dark side = (PC=20 land):
 
As soon as you get your system up and running = (without=20 connecting to the internet yet)................
add your internet connectivity (if you can only = afford the=20 one computer for both audio and music----I've never really been able to = afford=20 two at once until recently)
and IMMEDIATELY make a GHOST with the program = Norton GHOST=20 (by Symantec).
 
This makes a perfect image of your operating = system drive=20 which you store on your D (or secondary harddrive).
Retain this ghost and call it  VIRGIN=20 GHOST.
 
Then once a week make a new GHOST if your system = is=20 running really well (certainly after you have added new hardware that = runs well=20 for a couple of days).     As you make new = ghosts, =20 erase your secondary ghosts but always keep your VIRGIN GHOST intact = (and off of=20 your C drive).
 
Now, no matter what ill strikes your vulnerable = PC (and=20 they are vulnerable unlike Macs) ,  voila!!!!
you are no more than 5 minutes away from a = completely=20 great working, virus free machine.
 
It's really not that=20 difficult.       The PC also forces one = (because=20 of security issues) to back up with great regularity.   We = should do=20 that anyway, right?
 
The PCs are also so much cheaper than the = equivalent Macs=20 that it's not a big deal to invest in  a really
good program to keep your system virus free, = adware and=20 spyware free (these latter two are really scarier than
viruses to = me).       =20 My brother has an excellent suite that does everything.  I think = it's=20 called Panda.
I use Norton Anti Virus and System Mechanic=20 4.
 
Never open attachments unless the person who = sends it=20 discusses exactly what it is.
 
Do these things and your new PC will run like a=20 charm.   Mine does.
 
Now, make so much money with your next self = recorded=20 Looping CD that you can buy a dual processor G5 and that  rompin'=20 stompin'  PC with hyperthreading technology............wireless = network 'em=20 up and then
you won't have to ever again take sides in the = Mac/PC=20 debate..............lol........
 
...........a looper can dream can't=20 he?
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47785.786335E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 10:20:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i71EIQm16842; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:18:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408011417.i71EHth16748@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: looping observations Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:17:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <003401c477c0$24dc4ca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR3wMqePCQZSjTgQeePz8ut6eJlmAAEMhjw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Absolutely I separate my data from my OS as much as is possible and do indeed use imaging software when altering your system or adding new software. There is nothing more conforting then knowing you can restore your system in five minutes or less. Anytime I am doing a major update or alteration I do it on a freshly re imaged PC just to sure there are no conflicts that have been introduced with a minor alteration. If the upgrade checks out as stable it can then become the new base image or an alternate image (Disk space is still cheap) ________________________________ From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:08 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: looping observations Just a little devils advocacy from the dark side (PC land): As soon as you get your system up and running (without connecting to the internet yet)................ add your internet connectivity (if you can only afford the one computer for both audio and music----I've never really been able to afford two at once until recently) and IMMEDIATELY make a GHOST with the program Norton GHOST (by Symantec). This makes a perfect image of your operating system drive which you store on your D (or secondary harddrive). Retain this ghost and call it VIRGIN GHOST. Then once a week make a new GHOST if your system is running really well (certainly after you have added new hardware that runs well for a couple of days). As you make new ghosts, erase your secondary ghosts but always keep your VIRGIN GHOST intact (and off of your C drive). Now, no matter what ill strikes your vulnerable PC (and they are vulnerable unlike Macs) , voila!!!! you are no more than 5 minutes away from a completely great working, virus free machine. It's really not that difficult. The PC also forces one (because of security issues) to back up with great regularity. We should do that anyway, right? The PCs are also so much cheaper than the equivalent Macs that it's not a big deal to invest in a really good program to keep your system virus free, adware and spyware free (these latter two are really scarier than viruses to me). My brother has an excellent suite that does everything. I think it's called Panda. I use Norton Anti Virus and System Mechanic 4. Never open attachments unless the person who sends it discusses exactly what it is. Do these things and your new PC will run like a charm. Mine does. Now, make so much money with your next self recorded Looping CD that you can buy a dual processor G5 and that rompin' stompin' PC with hyperthreading technology............wireless network 'em up and then you won't have to ever again take sides in the Mac/PC debate..............lol........ ...........a looper can dream can't he? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 12:26:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i71GN5Y01345; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike Hunter" To: Subject: RC-20XL Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c477e3$bbeb5460$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C477C2.34D9B460" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [141.150.203.55] at Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:22:26 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <4qUH0B.A.BU.DjRDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C477C2.34D9B460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyon own on of the new RC-20XL's I just came across this new exhanced looper on the Roland home page... tempo chane without pitch shift! Finally someone it stepping up to fill the gap left by the Repeater (Maybe this thing actually work!...unlike the Repeater...) Mike Hunter ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C477C2.34D9B460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Does = anyon own on of=20 the new RC-20XL's I just came across this new exhanced looper on the = Roland home=20 page... tempo chane without pitch shift!
Finally someone it=20 stepping up to fill the gap left by the Repeater (Maybe this thing = actually=20 work!...unlike the Repeater...)
 

Mike Hunter

 

 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C477C2.34D9B460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 17:48:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i71Ll0s17678; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8B966C38-E404-11D8-92F8-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Signal routing solution Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:48:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Insert comment from Mark Sottilaro about how the EDP needs to be stereo.) I'm reworking my minimalist rack. (Now that everyone is going to DD-20s and the like I no longer feel quite so minimalist, but so it goes.) I'm faced again with the problem that in what would otherwise be a stereo signal flow, I've got a mono EDP. I'd be fine running the EDP in the center channel if I had a way to preserve the stereo signal passing through the EDP. I've dealt with this in the past with a line mixer, but the Passac mixer is both noisy and consumes one rack space that I might be able to put to better use. Can anyone suggest something that I could stick in the back of my rack to sum the left and right channels to mono and mix them with the mono out from the EDP? Essentially something that accomplishes the following L ----|----------------+------ L | | + ---EDP ----{ | | R----|----------------+------ R Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 17:56:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i71Lt1k18871; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408012154.i71Lsoh18823@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Signal routing solution Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcR4ESOVPGC3MwS4Siuol0a9qYMHcQAAKZRw In-Reply-To: <8B966C38-E404-11D8-92F8-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Err... Well maybe a Behringer UltraLink I have one but, am not using it in the manner you are proposing. It is a Splitter/Mixer and it doesn't seem to add noise or coloration to the signal path. Best bet read the specs/manual and see if it is a possibility? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Signal routing solution (Insert comment from Mark Sottilaro about how the EDP needs to be stereo.) I'm reworking my minimalist rack. (Now that everyone is going to DD-20s and the like I no longer feel quite so minimalist, but so it goes.) I'm faced again with the problem that in what would otherwise be a stereo signal flow, I've got a mono EDP. I'd be fine running the EDP in the center channel if I had a way to preserve the stereo signal passing through the EDP. I've dealt with this in the past with a line mixer, but the Passac mixer is both noisy and consumes one rack space that I might be able to put to better use. Can anyone suggest something that I could stick in the back of my rack to sum the left and right channels to mono and mix them with the mono out from the EDP? Essentially something that accomplishes the following L ----|----------------+------ L | | + ---EDP ----{ | | R----|----------------+------ R Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 1 21:49:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i721l9316405; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:47:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:33:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I still only use Athlon >CPUs in my PCs. hm... so there is something about Athlon which is better for audio? others say it cannot be a cheap PC but a business one? or the point is configuration? or non use of Explorer? seems pretty hard to get the right criteria... good thing about the mac is that you quickly find out which one you need :-) >Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around to it (not soon). Next >notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for stage! but do they have the necessary features and price? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 00:17:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i724FJh02233; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040802041428.32909.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6ryL1B.A.sh.5-bDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say keep the Internet connection to be able to download updated drivers for the PC audio interface and other software updates. I do however agree with staying away from Internet Explorer or Outlook. I recommend an alternative browser such as Mozilla Firefox (you'll need a browser to get those software updates). And remember to run Disk Defragmenter regularly. Paolo --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC > for stage and leave > >my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its > usually a hassle to > >keep switching things if you have only one > computer, so the PC I > >would only use for playing, hoping that it would be > ready for it at > >all times... > > if you do this, you'll get great results if you > install the minimal > software you can, NEVER run Explorer or Outlook > (promise me this!) or > even never attach it to the net at all except to run > the Windows > update packages. I did this more or less and my > rather slow cheap PC > has continued to run smoothly for over a year with > no maintenance. > > /t > -- > > http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music > and arts mailing list > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 01:37:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i725a2u12850; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:36:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040802053536.94342.qmail@web14426.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:35:36 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel=20Varricchio?= Subject: EDP memory upgrade question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all I'm new to this list and have recently acquired a white face EDP running Loop 3 software currently loaded with 50.3 Seconds loop time. I have some 4Mb 30 pin SIMMS that I wish to install for the full 198 seconds, BUT before I do, I was wondering if anyone on the list could give me some tips on how best to upgrade an Echoplex so I don't short or fry anything, or electrocute myself! Having had only limited experience with RAM, I'm worried that there's a few simple rules (that everyone but me knows) on how to handle the chips without damaging either them or the EDP; are there some "Do's & Don'ts" that I need to keep in mind? Some pointers on how to navigate the interior of the echoplex once it's been opened up would also be very handy. Sorry if this question covers old ground; I did try searching the archives but couldn't dig anything specific up. many thanks in advance, daniel Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 02:15:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i726EHo17448; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040801223332.040623a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:23:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:33 PM 8/1/2004, you wrote: >> I still only use Athlon >>CPUs in my PCs. > >hm... so there is something about Athlon which is better for audio? >others say it cannot be a cheap PC but a business one? >or the point is configuration? >or non use of Explorer? >seems pretty hard to get the right criteria... it is far more complicated than that.... Which Athlon? (or which Pentium?) Which chipset? (this probably matters even more than the cpu.) which motherboard? what memory is installed? what is the FSB speed? what is the memory speed? cas latency? which hard disk? which ATA interface? ATA100? ATA133? SATA? which graphics chip? standalone? integrated? AGP 1x? 4x? 8x? PCI express? what peripherals are installed? how do the all various peripherals load the busses? do the peripherals add to cpu load or offload it? which bios? which drivers? versions? etc, etc, etc. If you are building a performance PC and you don't understand these things, you might as well turn the lights out and throw darts at the dell catalog. If you are interested in performance, there are a lot more variables than the cpu. And there is far more below the hood that affects you than what you see looking at the windows desktop. Going for the cheapest hardware can mean a huge compromise if you don't know what you really need. No version of windows can save you if the hardware isn't up to it. (Be prepared to spend a whole bunch of time at anandtech, tomshardware, etc to figure it out....) >good thing about the mac is that you quickly find out which one you need :-) even there, do you understand the difference between G4 and G5? DDR memory versus SDR? DDR FSB? Dual CPU? single? etc? There are many less choices, but still plenty of ways to go wrong. >>Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around to it (not soon). Next >>notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. > >yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for stage! but do they have the >necessary features and price? http://www.pricewatch.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 02:56:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i726rFw23660; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:52:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040801223332.040623a0@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:51:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I take for granted that I know what I'm looking for. It is more complicated that simply choosing a 'PC'. Homework pays off, as does experience-over-time. But homework up front is worth the effort so that learning curve isn't all head-banging and teeth-gnashing. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) At 06:33 PM 8/1/2004, you wrote: >> I still only use Athlon >>CPUs in my PCs. > >hm... so there is something about Athlon which is better for audio? >others say it cannot be a cheap PC but a business one? >or the point is configuration? >or non use of Explorer? >seems pretty hard to get the right criteria... it is far more complicated than that.... Which Athlon? (or which Pentium?) Which chipset? (this probably matters even more than the cpu.) which motherboard? what memory is installed? what is the FSB speed? what is the memory speed? cas latency? which hard disk? which ATA interface? ATA100? ATA133? SATA? which graphics chip? standalone? integrated? AGP 1x? 4x? 8x? PCI express? what peripherals are installed? how do the all various peripherals load the busses? do the peripherals add to cpu load or offload it? which bios? which drivers? versions? etc, etc, etc. If you are building a performance PC and you don't understand these things, you might as well turn the lights out and throw darts at the dell catalog. If you are interested in performance, there are a lot more variables than the cpu. And there is far more below the hood that affects you than what you see looking at the windows desktop. Going for the cheapest hardware can mean a huge compromise if you don't know what you really need. No version of windows can save you if the hardware isn't up to it. (Be prepared to spend a whole bunch of time at anandtech, tomshardware, etc to figure it out....) >good thing about the mac is that you quickly find out which one you need :-) even there, do you understand the difference between G4 and G5? DDR memory versus SDR? DDR FSB? Dual CPU? single? etc? There are many less choices, but still plenty of ways to go wrong. >>Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around to it (not soon). Next >>notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. > >yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for stage! but do they have the >necessary features and price? http://www.pricewatch.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 03:25:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i727MYw27431; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 03:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9B76591A-E454-11D8-82B9-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: echo pro loop sampler failure anyone? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:21:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone here ever had a problem with their echo pro's loop sampler failing? all the other algorithms work except for the only one i use. when i go to the loop sampler, it just doesn't pass through sound, except for the dry signal (as controlled by the mix knob). i did a factory reset and it still functions this same way. weirdest thing i've ever seen ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 04:40:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i728cse04716; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:38:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A7ADBAD-E45F-11D8-A718-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:38:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-02, at 03.33, Matthias Grob wrote: > > yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for stage! but do they have the > necessary features and price? > -- Matthias, If buying a PC for serious audio application, there is only one way to go: buy an exact set-up that someone else already is using successfully! (also see Kim's post). Same CPU, same audio card, same hard drive, same driver versions, running the same software etc, etc... I'm just back from four days at a Swedish electronic music festival and during ten to twenty performances a day we saw only Apple Powerbooks there, except for two or three guys that used Sony Vaio's. When I was using PC systems for audio I was constantly comparing and discussing different system set-ups (and there are hundreds of possibilities) with the Logic beta group. We found that not many PC combinations gave the best performance (also counting stability and reliability) and it was a fact that almost non of the "ready made" systems you buy at a store is good for audio. You really have to get into it and order a dedicated audio PC system. That was three years ago and I'm now using Mac's (since they launched the G5 technology and reduced prices by 20 percent, here in Sweden) so I'm afraid my "PC knowledge" may now be obsolete ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 06:16:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72AEPC16752; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Terry Riley installation Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:14:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:08:59 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.112.140 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A time lag accumulator set up in an installation in Lille, France. directly to the page: http://212.94.174.223/v04-gb/detail.asp?index=595 Or, go to www.lille2004.com and search for "Microfolies". A review (written in German, from a German newspaper) is here: http://www.taz.de/pt/2004/08/02/a0209.nf/text Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de A spark of truth can burn up a mountain of lies (Nisargadatta) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 08:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72Bxpi28034; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c47888$25499080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:59:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Thanks for that post (reprinted below)................you are so correct. I laughed out loud when I read "If you are building a performance PC and you don't understand these things, you might as well turn the lights out and throw darts at the dell catalog." I have a dell that I love to throw darts at. Of course, as Kim so accurately points out, everything in your system (motherboard,chipset, cpu, ram, peripherals, sound card, etc., etc.) has to work together so it's not a simple answer. I tore my hair out the first year that I was trying to compose on a computer with cheapo parts that didn't want to talk with each other..............enough so that my wife asked, "why don't we just give up and get a Mac............lol". I then invested in a more powerful Dell and struck out a second time. The third time I struck gold and had a good friend of mine , Daniel Thomas who is very sophisticated with PC recording studio setups (and has about four CDs that he's produced make it onto the world music charts in the past three years) custom build me my last computer (which is really amazing and trouble free so far). He did it relatively inexpensively (about $700) but I already had monitors,keyboards, CD players and a few other things that he cannibalized from my old system. I know that he took great care, specifically , in picking out an appropriate chipset and motherboard that use the new hyperthreading technology. I'll see if I can get his recommendations for what to buy if he were to build something right now and post them for anyone who is interested. This is on the PC side. I imagine that if you bought a dual processor G5 with maximum CPU speed and a good MOTU audio interface that you could probaby be humming in the first week of owning the system. Just be prepared to lay out $3,000-$4,500 for such a system. Also, regarding Athlon processors, the latest issue of Future Music (which is a UK magazine that seems pretty spot on regarding computer music recommendations) says that the Athlons have come a long way since the days when the conventional wisdom was that you should eschew one for a Pentium. I honestly wish that the hardware looping world would continue to progress with the times. As Kim has pointed out in the past, it is so much more efficient to have a closed architecture system that is designed specifically for the task and works straight out of the box. Unfortunately, this just doesn't seem to be happening and, unless Gibson, announces that they will keep manufacturing the EDP, we will soon get to the point where there will no longer be a midi syncable live looping hardware box that will be available brand new----with used ones topping the $1,000 range quickly, the way the Repeater has. It's concievable that we just don't have the numbers to make a live looping box viable economically so I imagine that, imperfect as it is, the future of this movement technologically will be in software developement which is cheaper to develop (sans the hardware manufacturing costs). Of course, the future of the musical incarnation of live looping techniques will be a mixture of the artists using the new software apps and the artists who own the cool 'retro' gear, like most of us. Witness what Max Valentino is doing with a couple of suped up Lexicon Jammans. yours, rick kim wrote: it is far more complicated than that.... Which Athlon? (or which Pentium?) Which chipset? (this probably matters even more than the cpu.) which motherboard? what memory is installed? what is the FSB speed? what is the memory speed? cas latency? which hard disk? which ATA interface? ATA100? ATA133? SATA? which graphics chip? standalone? integrated? AGP 1x? 4x? 8x? PCI express? what peripherals are installed? how do the all various peripherals load the busses? do the peripherals add to cpu load or offload it? which bios? which drivers? versions? etc, etc, etc. If you are building a performance PC and you don't understand these things, you might as well turn the lights out and throw darts at the dell catalog. If you are interested in performance, there are a lot more variables than the cpu. And there is far more below the hood that affects you than what you see looking at the windows desktop. Going for the cheapest hardware can mean a huge compromise if you don't know what you really need. No version of windows can save you if the hardware isn't up to it. (Be prepared to spend a whole bunch of time at anandtech, tomshardware, etc to figure it out....) >good thing about the mac is that you quickly find out which one you need :-) even there, do you understand the difference between G4 and G5? DDR memory versus SDR? DDR FSB? Dual CPU? single? etc? There are many less choices, but still plenty of ways to go wrong. >>Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around to it (not soon). Next >>notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. > >yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for stage! but do they have the >necessary features and price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 10:20:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72EJkk10694; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:19:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:19:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040802141859.4905.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Zechinato wrote: > Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around > to it (not soon). Next > notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. As a Mac owner, I would recommend skipping the current Mac laptops if getting one is not a priority. The fastest Powerbook G4 still has a 167Mhz bus. Your bus speed affects overall performance because that is where communication takes place between the CPU and other components (USB ports, Firewire ports - ie where your audio interface is plugged in, etc.) By comparison, current Windows XP laptops have anywhere from 400Mhz to 1600Mhz buses. The G5 desktops have much more respectable bus speeds (900Mhz or more). Naturally, I don't expect the G5 architecture to appear in laptop form anytime soon or for cheap. Still I'd rather wait and save up for one of those. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 10:55:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72EsCO16448; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <008b01c47888$25499080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008b01c47888$25499080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EF65DD2-E494-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:58:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <42liKD.A.JAE.2VlDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 2, 2004, at 4:59 AM, loop.pool wrote: > I imagine that if you bought a dual processor G5 with maximum CPU > speed and > a good MOTU audio interface that you could probaby be humming in the > first week of > owning the system. Just be prepared to lay out $3,000-$4,500 for > such a > system. Don't imagine! Just look! First of all, you don't need a G5. I don't even think DP4 has been released as a 64 bit version. If you want to be like me... http://www.macmall.com/macmall/families/powermac/ So that's $1300, but comes with an extra half gig of ram. Useful. A MOTU 828mkII will set you back $750 and comes with a decent version of Digital performer that would probably satisfy most people's needs. So you're up around the $2K mark and "weeee!" you're up and running. Chipset? What? BIOS? Huh? Sounds to me that you need to do a solid week of research to figure out what PC to buy if you're not already an expert. So, I'll tack on another grand to the PC setup to cover 2 days of my time. That puts the Rick's PC's actual cost to me at $1700. $400 higher than the Mac in the above link AND you get a Mac. PCs are cheaper if you do not value your time. If you're unemployed they're a steal. I swear, I bought my Mac, plugged it in, installed my software and was up and running without a hitch ever since. Rick, did you include the price of the 2 machines (that probably end up having little or no resale value. Exactly like all computers) you had to discard before you got someone to build you the one that works for you? And lastly, forget about "price" but what about cost? By cost I mean the fact that you're contributing to Bill Gates (a major supporter of George Bush) and his soulless minions. Can you sleep at night? ;) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 14:56:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72IpUa17439; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:52:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5EF65DD2-E494-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:51:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <-uFdkC.A.dPE.Y0oDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. As a pc user from the beginning, and still a fan of XP, I've heard no practical arguments against Mac except cost. And when you factor in time vs. cost, Mac wins. It took a colleague showing off his OSX notebook to finally tip the scales for me. I don't own a Mac yet, but I'm convinced that from here on out all new computers for me will be Mac... for audio and software development. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. On Aug 2, 2004, at 4:59 AM, loop.pool wrote: > I imagine that if you bought a dual processor G5 with maximum CPU > speed and > a good MOTU audio interface that you could probaby be humming in the > first week of > owning the system. Just be prepared to lay out $3,000-$4,500 for > such a > system. Don't imagine! Just look! First of all, you don't need a G5. I don't even think DP4 has been released as a 64 bit version. If you want to be like me... http://www.macmall.com/macmall/families/powermac/ So that's $1300, but comes with an extra half gig of ram. Useful. A MOTU 828mkII will set you back $750 and comes with a decent version of Digital performer that would probably satisfy most people's needs. So you're up around the $2K mark and "weeee!" you're up and running. Chipset? What? BIOS? Huh? Sounds to me that you need to do a solid week of research to figure out what PC to buy if you're not already an expert. So, I'll tack on another grand to the PC setup to cover 2 days of my time. That puts the Rick's PC's actual cost to me at $1700. $400 higher than the Mac in the above link AND you get a Mac. PCs are cheaper if you do not value your time. If you're unemployed they're a steal. I swear, I bought my Mac, plugged it in, installed my software and was up and running without a hitch ever since. Rick, did you include the price of the 2 machines (that probably end up having little or no resale value. Exactly like all computers) you had to discard before you got someone to build you the one that works for you? And lastly, forget about "price" but what about cost? By cost I mean the fact that you're contributing to Bill Gates (a major supporter of George Bush) and his soulless minions. Can you sleep at night? ;) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 16:29:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72KQmh30344; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <008b01c47888$25499080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008b01c47888$25499080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3681FCAC-E4C2-11D8-BC93-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:26:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <24HeE.A.jZH.zNqDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wrote this before i read the two follow-ups. now i feel like i've ganged up on Rick. hopefully he appreciates our input. On Aug 2, 2004, at 6:59 AM, loop.pool wrote: > I imagine that if you bought a dual processor G5 with maximum CPU > speed and > a good > MOTU audio interface that you could probaby be humming in the first > week of > owning the system. Just be prepared to lay out $3,000-$4,500 for > such a > system. i think those numbers are completely unfair. the most effective price point for a dual G5 is $2000 (1.8 gHz). a non-apple display would be another 500, and a used 828 is like 400 now. ok, so they're not COMPLETELY unfair, but keep in mind that i mix albums of 16 or more tracks with effects on every track with my laptop, a 1gHz G4 17" (identical to Robert Fripp's laptop), with no difficulties whatsoever. you can buy an eMac for 800 dollars new and a used 828 and be up and running with most of the power you need for 1200 dollars or so. and then he wrote: > It's concievable that we just don't have the numbers to make a live > looping > box viable economically so I imagine that, imperfect as it is, the > future > of this movement technologically will be in software developement > which is > cheaper to develop (sans the hardware manufacturing costs). if Eventide would build a "looping toolkit" with looping-specific modules i don't believe this would be an issue. we would all be saving pennies for DSP7500s, and probably be happy about it. and they would probably be able to afford a new programmer to port all their stuff to plug-ins which don't discriminate (ie NOT TDM). Italo, if you're reading this, I appreciate the effort which you put forth in evangelising the 7k series as a looping platform but it only works as a looping platform for people like me. most loopers want something more like a Boomerang/EDP/Repeater situation. i am saving my pennies for a 7500, but most people aren't. of course, i was interested in the Chameleon, but i don't know if Matthias will be able to get the LoopIV software running on the old platform. i'm not interested in a tabletop Chameleon. in other news, i just noticed in this Tangerine Dream bootleg from the early 70s that the Mellotron is run through a Leslie. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 16:44:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72Kg0Q32351; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040802204135.90752.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3681FCAC-E4C2-11D8-BC93-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > of course, i was interested in the Chameleon, but i > don't know if > Matthias will be able to get the LoopIV software > running on the old > platform. i'm not interested in a tabletop > Chameleon. The Chameleon MkII can also be rackmounted, according to their site. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 17:36:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72LYUc05673; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040802204135.90752.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040802204135.90752.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F1EF1A4-E4CB-11D8-9C61-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: kim's post, athlon processors, et. al. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:33:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 2, 2004, at 3:41 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >> platform. i'm not interested in a tabletop >> Chameleon. > The Chameleon MkII can also be rackmounted, according > to their site. however, it takes up 5 spaces. that is WAY too big. if he can get it working on the old platform, i'll use that. if he can't, it's either sticking with the PCM-80s or buying a DSP7500 (just a little more than the price of two PCM-80s). of course, i may be able to construct the 2-space Jigga Delay by then, but that would just be too cool. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 17:50:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72Lm1j07737; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d0408021447363abc51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:47:30 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Raphael Mouneyres "live looper" chameleon project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was searching the web for more info on the echoplex chameleon port, and I came across _another_ looper that's in development for the chameleon. It's called "live looper" and according to the blurb on http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/developers8.htm it's partially funded by the French government. Not sure what that means, but I think it's pretty interesting that there may be two choices of loopers for the chameleon. -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 18:01:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72LxcA09716; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040802215856.20280.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: Chameleon and Rocktron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0408021447363abc51@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk about the Chameleon made me think. Does anybody foresee any legal problems between Soundart and Rocktron since they have been manufacturing a processor with the same name for years now? One of my favorite new bands just recently received a cease and desist letter from Ronnie James Dio regarding the band name they chose - DIOS (god in Spanish) - :) They had to change the name to Dios Malos because apparently it was causing confusion amongst the metal community - I thought that was pretty damn weak. Sorry just went off topic - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 18:19:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i72MFNa12159; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0408021447363abc51@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0408021447363abc51@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4521CD94-E4CF-11D8-9C61-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Raphael Mouneyres "live looper" chameleon project Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:59:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2HvFp.A.P9C.ezrDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 2, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Art Simon wrote: > I was searching the web for more info on the echoplex chameleon port, > and I came across _another_ looper that's in development for the > chameleon. It's called "live looper" and according to the blurb on i've tried emailing that guy but mail just bounces from his address. his idea is way too complicated, he needs to simplify it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 20:49:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i730kwi02461; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040802204135.90752.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040802204135.90752.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A6DBDE0-E4CD-11D8-AB1B-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: My first loops. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:47:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <-Vw3uD.A.-k.jBuDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone, About a month or two ago, I joined this list as a complete looping newbie (and I consider myself to still be one), but I thought I'd get some opinions on my first efforts, be they good or bad. My personal opinions seem to vary from day to day, so I have no idea if I'm on the right track. Some notes about the loops: - these are 9 of my first 15 loops (with the exception of the 4-or-so loops I did before I began recording them all). - they're all straight to 2-track with no overdubs or sequencing, and all are played on a guitar/guitar-synth. I'd try using Ableton, but I don't have enough hands (or midi programming ability, yet) to manage that. - the only edits are fades at the end (and one where I had to clean up the beginning because I began recording after the loop was well underway). perhaps this explains the bad notes. - i'm aware of the noise (cheap i/o) and clipping. sorry. Here's the link: http://www.sazerac.tv/ejefftronic and then click the loops link. Thanks for you time, Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 2 22:55:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i732qML21878; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <140.2fd2c844.2e4057af@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:51:27 EDT Subject: Re: My first loops. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_140.2fd2c844.2e4057af_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_140.2fd2c844.2e4057af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/04 8:47:15 PM, jeff@sccadv.com writes: > I have no idea if I'm on the > right track. > jeff.....i only got to listen to 2 of your loops.....it takes me a long time to download them and i'm going nutz with all sorts of other stuff.....you are headed in the right direction.....just look out and you will be right back where you started.....welcome and loop on.....michael p.s. loved the photos --part1_140.2fd2c844.2e4057af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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jeff.....i only got to listen to 2 of your loops.....it takes me a long time= to download them and i'm going nutz with all sorts of other stuff.....you a= re headed in the right direction.....just look out and you will be right bac= k where you started.....welcome and loop on.....michael
p.s. loved the photos --part1_140.2fd2c844.2e4057af_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 06:57:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73AsPE29423; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:54:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:54:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019401c47948$230394e0$0200a8c0@3dplus> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: Subject: Fw: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:53:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01C47958.E34C5510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:f5a3b43dea75223c59abe8b1c21b89d3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C47958.E34C5510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, I know those items need to be considered, but what's the solution? does anybody know about a decent/state of the art shopping list for = setting up an audio PC/MAC, which hopefully includes just as much background info to understand why = to use the one thing but not the other (pref. online, but could be a book or magazine as well)? and of course, a decent XP/OS X set up list for audio would be = apprechiated, as well ;-) that would help me a lot because I wish to buy some gear soon Thanks :-) Leander ... oh, and I forgot: for laptops as well! (actually, most important for = me ;-) Thanks again Leander it is far more complicated than that.... Which Athlon? (or which Pentium?) Which chipset? (this probably matters even more than the cpu.) which motherboard? what memory is installed? what is the FSB speed? what is the memory speed? cas latency? which hard disk? which ATA interface? ATA100? ATA133? SATA? which graphics chip? standalone? integrated? AGP 1x? 4x? 8x? PCI express? what peripherals are installed? how do the all various peripherals load the busses? do the peripherals add to cpu load or offload it? which bios? which drivers? versions? etc, etc, etc. If you are building a performance PC and you don't understand these = things,=20 you might as well turn the lights out and throw darts at the dell = catalog. If you are interested in performance, there are a lot more variables = than=20 the cpu. And there is far more below the hood that affects you than what = you see looking at the windows desktop. Going for the cheapest hardware = can=20 mean a huge compromise if you don't know what you really need. No = version=20 of windows can save you if the hardware isn't up to it. (Be prepared to=20 spend a whole bunch of time at anandtech, tomshardware, etc to figure it = out....) >good thing about the mac is that you quickly find out which one you = need :-) even there, do you understand the difference between G4 and G5? DDR = memory=20 versus SDR? DDR FSB? Dual CPU? single? etc? There are many less choices, = but still plenty of ways to go wrong. >>Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around to it (not soon). = Next >>notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. > >yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for stage! but do they have the=20 >necessary features and price? http://www.pricewatch.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C47958.E34C5510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
ok, I know = those items need to=20 be considered, but what's the solution?
 
does anybody = know about=20 a decent/state of the art shopping list for setting up an audio=20 PC/MAC,
which hopefully = includes just=20 as much background info to understand why to use the one thing but not = the=20 other
(pref. online, but = could be a book=20 or magazine as well)?
 
and of course, a = decent XP/OS=20 X set up list for audio would be apprechiated, as well = ;-)
 
that would help me a = lot because I=20 wish to buy some gear=20 soon
 
Thanks = :-)
 
Leander
 
 
 
... oh, and I forgot: = for laptops=20 as well! (actually, most important for me ;-)
 
Thanks = again
 
Leander
 
 
 
it is far more complicated than that....

Which Athlon? (or = which=20 Pentium?)
Which chipset? (this probably matters even more than the=20 cpu.)
which motherboard?
what memory is installed?
what is the = FSB=20 speed?
what is the memory speed?
cas latency?
which hard = disk? =20 which ATA interface? ATA100? ATA133? SATA?
which graphics chip? = standalone?=20 integrated?
AGP 1x? 4x? 8x? PCI express?
what peripherals are=20 installed?
how do the all various peripherals load the busses?
do = the=20 peripherals add to cpu load or offload it?
which bios?
which = drivers?=20 versions?

etc, etc, etc.

If you are building a performance = PC and=20 you don't understand these things,
you might as well turn the lights = out and=20 throw darts at the dell catalog.

If you are interested in = performance,=20 there are a lot more variables than
the cpu. And there is far more = below the=20 hood that affects you than what
you see looking at the windows = desktop.=20 Going for the cheapest hardware can
mean a huge compromise if you = don't know=20 what you really need. No version
of windows can save you if the = hardware=20 isn't up to it. (Be prepared to
spend a whole bunch of time at = anandtech,=20 tomshardware, etc to figure it
out....)


>good thing = about the=20 mac is that you quickly find out which one you need :-)

even = there, do=20 you understand the difference between G4 and G5? DDR memory
versus = SDR? DDR=20 FSB? Dual CPU? single? etc? There are many less choices,
but still = plenty of=20 ways to go wrong.

>>Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever = I get=20 around to it (not soon).  Next
>>notebook is either = TabletPC or a=20 G4, prolly G4.
>
>yeah, a tabletPC would be perfect for = stage! but=20 do they have the
>necessary features and price?

http://www.pricewatch.com

k= im


___________________________________________________________= ___________
Kim=20 Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com=    =20 | http://www.loopers-delight.com =20
------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C47958.E34C5510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 07:34:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73BWHd01803; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:31:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fry's had a deal last week on a P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig harddrive and a CD/RW burner/DVD player for $399. Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs. Now, Mark.........................let's be honest: what do extra hardrives and CD burners and printers and scanners cost for Macs? what do they cost for PCs? There is no denying that PCs are cheaper so let's call a spade a spade. I totally get that Macs are easier to run out of the box, but if you are comparing buying used Macs and used 828s then you have to apply the same standards to used PCs where the prices are even cheaper (except for the break out boxes). All that being said and done, I apologize for not doing my research on the current costs of the G5 systems. I really don't want to be coming off as being down on the Macs.................I just get a little sick and tired of the superiority that a lot of Mac users exhibit towards Windows users. Frequently in politics, people will come down on people who do not have disposable income and are forced to support the exploiters of the world. How do I like supporting Bill Gates and his support of the Bush administration? I fucking hate it. If there were an ACID , FLSTUDIO and SOUND FORGE on linux, I'd be sooooooo there. If Mac's were within my budget to do what I'm doing artistically............I'd be so there. Unfortunately , I"m just not. I just don't see why there has to be so much judgement, frankly. We all do the best we can with the tools that we have and afford. It's easy to sit high and mighty; judging other's below your economic status for their compromises when you have a really nice salary, but not everyone is where you are at financially, Mark (and I know that you aren't even in the upper middle class in your economic bracket) *********** I have tried, over and over, in this discussion to give respect and to praise the benefits of the wonderful Mac OS X. It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I NEVER hear it from them) that there might be some reasons why people chose the PC. Stratocasters versus Les Pauls. They can both be great and we use what tools we have to be creative. Les Pauls are horribly overpriced but they do incredible things (things Stratocasters can't do). Should I put someone down for using one if they can afford it? Was Hendrix fucked for using one (and supporting the economic status quo for doing it?). It should really be about what we create, I think. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 10:38:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73EXmB25126; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:37:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 3, 2004, at 4:31 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Fry's had a deal last week on a > P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig harddrive and a CD/RW > burner/DVD player > for $399. > > Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs. Will that machine do audio well? According to your previous posts about your problems, probably not. I bought a really nice toaster oven the other day for $100. It's also cheaper than a Mac, but doesn't work well doing digital audio. > Now, Mark.........................let's be honest: > > what do extra hardrives and CD burners and printers and scanners cost > for > Macs?what do they cost for PCs? There is no denying that PCs are > cheaper so > let's call a spade a spade. Let's call a spade a spade. Macs now use IDE perfs as well as USB. They cost *exactly the same* for both platforms. I have no idea what you're talking about chum. I think you're thinking of 1995 when Macs used SCSI and ADB. > I totally get that Macs are easier to run out of the box, but if you > are > comparing buying > used Macs and used 828s then you have to apply the same standards to > used > PCs where the prices are even cheaper (except for the break out boxes). Read Rick. One word after the other. You know, like drums. Te te, te te, ta. The link I offered was for a brand new (although discontinued but still viable) G4 as well as the best price I could find with the 828mkII > > I really don't want to be coming off as being down on the > Macs.................I just get a little sick and tired of the > superiority > that a lot of Mac users exhibit towards Windows users. I'm a lot sick of PC users complaining about how they can't figure out what to buy or getting what they bought to work. Let's be sick together! > > We all do the best we can with the tools that we have and afford. > It's > easy to sit high and mighty; judging other's below your economic > status for > their compromises when you have a really nice salary, but not everyone > is > where you are at financially, Mark (and I know that you aren't even in > the > upper middle class in your economic bracket) I don't no, I was making music on a Mac when I was in college making $5000 a year working part time in a sock store. That wasn't so long ago. I didn't have the software selection that PC users did, but I honestly had no choice going into graphics. There are still issues with color proofing on the PC that makes it unusable for what I do. > I have tried, over and over, in this discussion to give respect and to > praise the benefits of the wonderful Mac OS X. > It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I NEVER hear it from > them) > that there might be some reasons why people chose the PC. Why? PCs don't seem to have trouble flying off the shelf. Everyone knows they do simply because they're cheap. > > Stratocasters versus Les Pauls. They can both be great and we use > what > tools we have to be creative. > Les Pauls are horribly overpriced but they do incredible things (things > Stratocasters can't do). Should I put someone down for using one if > they > can afford it? Was Hendrix fucked for using one (and supporting the > economic status quo for doing it?). I don't even think that argument applies. We're talking about platforms for computers. > > It should really be about what we create, I think. > > Me too. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 11:11:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73F8gI28248; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <001701c4796b$a8b9b1a0$674ba8c0@gebaeude7> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: mac vs pc Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:07:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, about this whole MAC vs PC thing. I used to sell Audio PCs some time ago. Of course my PCs worked. But with the right hardware and setup. They werent much cheaper than a MAC. But alot faster. Now with the release of the G5 the speed issue changed. I like to tweak my PC and program alot. So I'll stay to my PC. It works great and runs 100% stable with nuendo and RME hardware. If you just want to plugin and start without tweaking and taking care of your system. Go and buy a Mac. That doesnt mean, the Mac won't crash ;) Both are professional solutions. But if you buy a really cheap PC (with really cheap motherboard and RAM) you probably will get some problems. Greetings Jens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda > On Aug 3, 2004, at 4:31 AM, loop.pool wrote: > > > Fry's had a deal last week on a > > P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig harddrive and a CD/RW > > burner/DVD player > > for $399. > > > > Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs. > > Will that machine do audio well? According to your previous posts > about your problems, probably not. I bought a really nice toaster oven > the other day for $100. It's also cheaper than a Mac, but doesn't work > well doing digital audio. > > > Now, Mark.........................let's be honest: > > > > what do extra hardrives and CD burners and printers and scanners cost > > for > > Macs?what do they cost for PCs? There is no denying that PCs are > > cheaper so > > let's call a spade a spade. > > Let's call a spade a spade. Macs now use IDE perfs as well as USB. > They cost *exactly the same* for both platforms. I have no idea what > you're talking about chum. I think you're thinking of 1995 when Macs > used SCSI and ADB. > > > I totally get that Macs are easier to run out of the box, but if you > > are > > comparing buying > > used Macs and used 828s then you have to apply the same standards to > > used > > PCs where the prices are even cheaper (except for the break out boxes). > > Read Rick. One word after the other. You know, like drums. Te te, te > te, ta. The link I offered was for a brand new (although discontinued > but still viable) G4 as well as the best price I could find with the > 828mkII > > > > > I really don't want to be coming off as being down on the > > Macs.................I just get a little sick and tired of the > > superiority > > that a lot of Mac users exhibit towards Windows users. > > I'm a lot sick of PC users complaining about how they can't figure out > what to buy or getting what they bought to work. Let's be sick > together! > > > > > We all do the best we can with the tools that we have and afford. > > It's > > easy to sit high and mighty; judging other's below your economic > > status for > > their compromises when you have a really nice salary, but not everyone > > is > > where you are at financially, Mark (and I know that you aren't even in > > the > > upper middle class in your economic bracket) > > I don't no, I was making music on a Mac when I was in college making > $5000 a year working part time in a sock store. That wasn't so long > ago. I didn't have the software selection that PC users did, but I > honestly had no choice going into graphics. There are still issues > with color proofing on the PC that makes it unusable for what I do. > > > I have tried, over and over, in this discussion to give respect and to > > praise the benefits of the wonderful Mac OS X. > > It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I NEVER hear it from > > them) > > that there might be some reasons why people chose the PC. > > Why? PCs don't seem to have trouble flying off the shelf. Everyone > knows they do simply because they're cheap. > > > > > Stratocasters versus Les Pauls. They can both be great and we use > > what > > tools we have to be creative. > > Les Pauls are horribly overpriced but they do incredible things (things > > Stratocasters can't do). Should I put someone down for using one if > > they > > can afford it? Was Hendrix fucked for using one (and supporting the > > economic status quo for doing it?). > > I don't even think that argument applies. We're talking about > platforms for computers. > > > > > It should really be about what we create, I think. > > > > > > Me too. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 11:15:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73FCnM28652; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Buying a PC Optimized for Audio Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:12:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <019401c47948$230394e0$0200a8c0@3dplus> Thread-Index: AcR5STYSjTtSXz8GTZi13IrXyAmZsgAIfhUw Message-Id: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellow electronic musicians-- If you have a budget and want to buy a new machine for (let's say) looping, aren't there places (one the web?) where you can buy a system, be it PC or Mac, that is optimized for digital audio? Not that I am necessarily going to shell out four figures any time soon for gear (but I hope to have another EDP in my near future). In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio PCMCIA cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They are cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on this piece? Let's hear it for Kim Flint, a great American patriot! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 11:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73Faho31921; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:36:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:36:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410FB0CA.9040604@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:35:38 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda References: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7911a1e26dce7f0ff1ae54a84a227d0361350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.197.181 Resent-Message-ID: <2AIfOB.A.QxH.iD7DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just want to share this quote from Douglas Barnes, from the Cyberpunk Handbook, circa 1996: "Novelist Umberto Eco compared the Mac operating system to the Catholic church. Believers (users) must approach God (the hardware) through a layer of churchly indirection and simplification (icons, symbols, point-and-click), while DOS is very Protestant -- you're responsible for achieving salvation ON YOUR OWN damn it, and you confess your sins directly to GOD, AND NO KISSY-FACE ICONS IN BETWEEN." This quote is about the OSes, but I think you can apply it to the hardware, too. You either want someone else to take responsibility for your stuff working, or you're willing to do the hard work to make it go. Catholicism works for some people, Protestantism for others. If you happened to grow up using PCs or watched Wargames in the 1980s and have a romantic affection for the hacker aesthetic then you are probably going to be alright on a PC. If you don't enjoy (or don't have the time for) problem solving and learning about computers, then save your pennies and buy a Mac. Although, now that Mac OS X is a UNIX I gotta say I am somewhat interested in it from a geek perspective. The time you spend in research about PCs and what components to buy for an audio system is an investment in your future. Standards change, bus architectures come and go, but if you just keep your eye on it every once in a while you can follow the state of the art in PC hardware and be ready to adopt it when you need to upgrade. Microsoft OSes up until now have been junk, but XP is okay. Maybe someday they'll go UNIX-style, too. I'm running a dual-boot system on my laptop: WinXP Pro for audio, and Linux for internet, e-mail, and everything esle. But, believe me, if MOTU would provides drivers for Linux I'd spend a hundred hours hacking Linux kludges to get out from under the mediocrity of Microsoft. PCs could be so much better than they are under the market-leading operating system. Good luck. -J Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Aug 3, 2004, at 4:31 AM, loop.pool wrote: > >> Fry's had a deal last week on a >> P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig harddrive and a CD/RW >> burner/DVD player >> for $399. >> >> Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs. > > > Will that machine do audio well? According to your previous posts > about your problems, probably not. I bought a really nice toaster > oven the other day for $100. It's also cheaper than a Mac, but > doesn't work well doing digital audio. > >> Now, Mark.........................let's be honest: >> >> what do extra hardrives and CD burners and printers and scanners cost >> for >> Macs?what do they cost for PCs? There is no denying that PCs are >> cheaper so >> let's call a spade a spade. > > > Let's call a spade a spade. Macs now use IDE perfs as well as USB. > They cost *exactly the same* for both platforms. I have no idea what > you're talking about chum. I think you're thinking of 1995 when Macs > used SCSI and ADB. > >> I totally get that Macs are easier to run out of the box, but if you are >> comparing buying >> used Macs and used 828s then you have to apply the same standards to >> used >> PCs where the prices are even cheaper (except for the break out boxes). > > > Read Rick. One word after the other. You know, like drums. Te te, > te te, ta. The link I offered was for a brand new (although > discontinued but still viable) G4 as well as the best price I could > find with the 828mkII > >> >> I really don't want to be coming off as being down on the >> Macs.................I just get a little sick and tired of the >> superiority >> that a lot of Mac users exhibit towards Windows users. > > > I'm a lot sick of PC users complaining about how they can't figure out > what to buy or getting what they bought to work. Let's be sick together! > >> > >> We all do the best we can with the tools that we have and afford. It's >> easy to sit high and mighty; judging other's below your economic >> status for >> their compromises when you have a really nice salary, but not >> everyone is >> where you are at financially, Mark (and I know that you aren't even >> in the >> upper middle class in your economic bracket) > > > I don't no, I was making music on a Mac when I was in college making > $5000 a year working part time in a sock store. That wasn't so long > ago. I didn't have the software selection that PC users did, but I > honestly had no choice going into graphics. There are still issues > with color proofing on the PC that makes it unusable for what I do. > >> I have tried, over and over, in this discussion to give respect and to >> praise the benefits of the wonderful Mac OS X. >> It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I NEVER hear it from >> them) >> that there might be some reasons why people chose the PC. > > > Why? PCs don't seem to have trouble flying off the shelf. Everyone > knows they do simply because they're cheap. > >> >> Stratocasters versus Les Pauls. They can both be great and we use >> what >> tools we have to be creative. >> Les Pauls are horribly overpriced but they do incredible things (things >> Stratocasters can't do). Should I put someone down for using one if >> they >> can afford it? Was Hendrix fucked for using one (and supporting the >> economic status quo for doing it?). > > > I don't even think that argument applies. We're talking about > platforms for computers. > >> >> It should really be about what we create, I think. >> >> > > Me too. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 12:01:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73G0G902784; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040803155919.14235.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rick, --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I fucking hate it. If there were an ACID , > FLSTUDIO and SOUND FORGE on > linux, I'd be sooooooo there. My problem with Linux is it still sounds like a significant time investment must be made to get applications set up for music. I play in 2 orchestras, just co-founded a band, work full-time (nonmusical job of course), and have other hobbies. I understand the Linux world has made great strides, but not to the point yet where one can be up and running as quickly as on a PC or Mac. > It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I > NEVER hear it from them) > that there might be some reasons why people chose > the PC. It's all good if you wanna make music on Windows PCs. Make music. That matters more, IMO. I have to pay for another full license of Max/MSP if I switch platforms now. :( Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 12:18:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73GGWK04796; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: laptop audio interface Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:14:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 16:09:59.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[539EA690:01C47974] Resent-Message-ID: <5Mrr1D.A.pJB.4o7DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio PCMCIA > cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They are > cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on this piece? I've been totally excited about the new Edirol FA101 firewire audio interface. Its small, has 10in and 10out, two mic pre's w/ phantom power midi in/out and best of all is powered via the firewire bus. This seems like the perfect laptop audio interface. Street price just under $500. Anyone have one? opinions? Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 12:50:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73Gm0o09087; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:48:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:48:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006401c4794d$717ff370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:30:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1120570854==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <3pt4-B.A.HNC.dG8DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1120570854==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:31 AM -0700 8/3/04, loop.pool wrote: >Fry's had a deal last week on a >P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig harddrive and a CD/RW >burner/DVD player >for $399. > >Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs. This is a poorly framed statement because it assumes functional equivalence between all Macs and all PCs. As as been pointed out here, much depends on the specific make, model, and configuration of a PC. For years the received wisdom was that PCs were cheaper than Macs, and this was generally true of the purchase price. Then a few people did an analysis of the true cost of the two platforms based on the about of technical support required; in many cases the Macs came out ahead of the PCs because they were easy to use and required little maintenance. The rebuttal statement "Macs are cheaper than PCs" became popular, just as "the computer for the rest of us" had been at the start of Mac marketing. Price can only be >what do extra hardrives and CD burners and printers and scanners cost for >Macs? All the peripherals I have bought recently for my Mac are equally functional with a PC. This includes a scanner, a printer, a FireWire hard drive, a trackball, and a graphics tablet. The only peripheral that was more expensive was the LCD monitor I bought with my G5. So again, you have to be specific about which make, model, and configuration the peripherals are. You can certainly buy some cheaper peripherals for a PC, but are the equivalent to the good-quality Mac/PC models. >I really don't want to be coming off as being down on the >Macs.................I just get a little sick and tired of the superiority >that a lot of Mac users exhibit towards Windows users. Sorry, it's genetic. >I have tried, over and over, in this discussion to give respect and to >praise the benefits of the wonderful Mac OS X. >It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I NEVER hear it from them) >that there might be some reasons why people chose the PC. I don't use a PC because I hate Windows as a working environment. I think it's ugly and cumbersome compared to the Mac OS. Therefore at the root of my scorn for PC users is the knee-jerk reaction "how can these people stand to work in such a horrible environment." This is a completely subjective (read "irrational") reaction on my part, but since my creative use of computers is largely an aesthetic experience it is always close to the surface. To be fair, I now have a similar reaction to Mac OS 9: "How could anyone choose to work in such an ugly, unstable OS?" Of course there are very practical reasons to do so, just as there are for Windows. A particular suite of applications may be more solid and functional and even more efficient in Windows than it is on the Mac (particularly true of apps ported from PC to Mac). A particular application may be available on PC only. This is especially true in the world of shareware and freeware. I should also comment that my personal reactions are not particularly based on the MacOS being the most wonderful OS event invented. In past years I was perfectly happy working on Silicon Graphics systems and in BeOS. In fact, for a while there I liked BeOS better than Mac OS, except for a few areas that hadn't been brought up to speed yet. So for me it's less a matter of Mac OS being so good as it is a matter of Windows being so bad. Here's an odd, but pertinent example of my attitude, as manifested in another area of creative work: I have a friend who is a composer and instrument builder. He is very successful and his music is attractive and enjoyable. But his music notation is dreadful and his self-made instruments have an unfinished look. In both cases the tools are serviceable and the resulting music is just fine. It's just that neither notation nor instruments are pleasant to look at. Why should I care? No practical reason, but I do. >Les Pauls are horribly overpriced but they do incredible things (things >Stratocasters can't do). Should I put someone down for using one if they >can afford it? Yes, but only because they are giving money to Henry Juszkiewicz. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1120570854==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda
At 4:31 AM -0700 8/3/04, loop.pool wrote:
Fry's had a deal last week on a
P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig harddrive and a CD/RW
burner/DVD player
for $399.

Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs.

This is a poorly framed statement because it assumes functional equivalence between all Macs and all PCs. As as been pointed out here, much depends on the specific make, model, and configuration of a PC.

For years the received wisdom was that PCs were cheaper than Macs, and this was generally true of the purchase price. Then a few people did an analysis of the true cost of the two platforms based on the about of technical support required; in many cases the Macs came out ahead of the PCs because they were easy to use and required little maintenance. The rebuttal statement "Macs are cheaper than PCs" became popular, just as "the computer for the rest of us" had been at the start of Mac marketing.

Price can only be

what do extra hardrives and CD burners and printers and scanners cost for
Macs?

All the peripherals I have bought recently for my Mac are equally functional with a PC. This includes a scanner, a printer, a FireWire hard drive, a trackball, and a graphics tablet. The only peripheral that was more expensive was the LCD monitor I bought with my G5.

So again, you have to be specific about which make, model, and configuration the peripherals are. You can certainly buy some cheaper peripherals for a  PC, but are the equivalent to the good-quality Mac/PC models.

I really don't want to be coming off as being down on the
Macs.................I just get a little sick and tired of the superiority
that a lot of Mac users exhibit towards Windows users.

Sorry, it's genetic.


I have tried, over and over, in this discussion to give respect and to
praise the benefits of the wonderful Mac OS X.
It would be nice for someone from that camp (and I NEVER hear it from them)
that there might be some reasons why people chose the PC.

I don't use a PC because I hate Windows as a working environment. I think it's ugly and cumbersome compared to the Mac OS. Therefore at the root of my scorn for PC users is the knee-jerk reaction "how can these people stand to work in such a horrible environment." This is a completely subjective (read "irrational") reaction on my part, but since my creative use of computers is largely an aesthetic experience it is always close to the surface. To be fair, I now have a similar reaction to Mac OS 9: "How could anyone choose to work in such an ugly, unstable OS?" Of course there are very practical reasons to do so, just as there are for Windows. A particular suite of applications may be more solid and functional and even more efficient in Windows than it is on the Mac (particularly true of apps ported from PC to Mac). A particular application may be available on PC only. This is especially true in the world of shareware and freeware.

I should also comment that my personal reactions are not particularly based on the MacOS being the most wonderful OS event invented. In past years I was perfectly happy working on Silicon Graphics systems and in BeOS. In fact, for a while there I liked BeOS better than Mac OS, except for a few areas that hadn't been brought up to speed yet. So for me it's less a matter of Mac OS being so good as it is a matter of Windows being so bad.

Here's an odd, but pertinent example of my attitude, as manifested in another area of creative work:  I have a friend who is a composer and instrument builder. He is very successful and his music is attractive and enjoyable. But his music notation is dreadful and his self-made instruments have an unfinished look. In both cases the tools are serviceable and the resulting music is just fine. It's just that neither notation nor instruments are pleasant to look at. Why should I care? No practical reason, but I do.



Les Pauls are horribly overpriced but they do incredible things (things
Stratocasters can't do).  Should I put someone down for using one if they
can afford it?

Yes, but only  because they are giving money to Henry Juszkiewicz.

--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1120570854==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 12:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73Gq4X09735; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:52:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d040803095152486fe0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:51:27 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buying a PC Optimized for Audio In-Reply-To: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got an Echo Indigo and it's great for what it is. Simple analog stereo I/O, sounds great and very low latency. I've had some minor trouble with the drivers and my current favorite piece of software, EnergyXT, but all in all I'd give it a thumbs up. An outboard box will give more I/O options, but will bulkier and more importantly, have a higher latency (at least in theory). Good Luck, On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:12:15 -0700, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi fellow electronic musicians-- > If you have a budget and want to buy a new machine for (let's say) looping, > aren't there places (one the web?) where you can buy a system, be it PC or > Mac, that is optimized for digital audio? Not that I am necessarily going > to shell out four figures any time soon for gear (but I hope to have another > EDP in my near future). > In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio PCMCIA > cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They are > cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on this piece? > Let's hear it for Kim Flint, a great American patriot! > Gary > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 13:28:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73HQ4m13813; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:26:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Jon Wagner" , Subject: RE: laptop audio interface Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [141.152.244.49] at Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:25:40 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio >PCMCIA >> cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and >Sonar. They are >> cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on this >piece? > >I've been totally excited about the new Edirol FA101 firewire audio >interface. Its small, has 10in and 10out, two mic pre's w/ >phantom power >midi in/out and best of all is powered via the firewire bus. This seems >like the perfect laptop audio interface. Street price just under $500. >Anyone have one? opinions? >Jon I bought an M-Audio FW410 before the Edirol FA101 was available. The FA101 looks great. M-Audio has a new FW box, the FW1810 (or sumthin like that) for about $500, that improves on the FW410 by having 4 simultaeneous analog inputs AND the two headphone jacks can be fed from separate channels which is great (The FW410 sends the same signal to both headphone outs). The FW410 has great latency for such a cheap box (ca 9ms total in/out), I bet the Edirol is similar. -M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 14:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73I85Z21076; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:08:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mac/PC Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:07:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 18:07:12.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[B382BC30:01C47984] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Meh... that's what I say to either one. I use PC. It's not perfect. It's susceptible to viruses and develops new Windows bugs every 6 months or so. If you get a PC, I'd highly suggest that you keep your music PC off the internet, or at least save all your audio data to a 2nd hard drive. I can't say much about Mac, except about 3/4 of the laptop performers I know use 'em, mostly because Max/MSP has been only available for Mac until recently. I still prefer the table-core setup of many, many seperate boxes. It's much more fun. Alesis ModFx pedals have just been discontinued, so now they're pretty darn affordable online. _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 14:30:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73ISlF23942; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:31:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200408031431.AA135201010@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been hearing this mac vs. PC debate forever. It's a religious issue, but there is basically one argument. Macs work better, PCs cost less. It's bullsh*t that if you know what you are doing on a PC you will be fine. I worked at Microsoft for 8 years. I know PCs better than almost anyone in the world, I worked in the Windows division for about 3 of those 8 years. I use a mac for my music stuff, I have for the last 2-3 years and I now spend all my time making music and none of it diagnosing driver conflicts or figuring out why a piece of gear or software stopped working for no reason. I've had this happen with my own custom built PCs using top of the line components and Dell, IBM and Sony desktop and laptop machines. I never considered gigging with a laptop until I bought a powerbook and now I do it all the time and have never had a problem on stage. I've used every OS since Win95 for music making and I've had problems with all of them. I don't blame MS, multimedia wasn't a priority for them until pretty recently, they have a hardware environment that they have no control over. It's just a fact of their business. So I use PCs for what they are good for: my business stuff, my internet stuff and I use macs for my multimedia stuff. It is worth every dime. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 14:30:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73IQiW23390; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:26:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Thompson" To: "'Leander Reininghaus'" , Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:26:03 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c47987$56a86980$e628290a@hq.netapp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4794C.AA499180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <019401c47948$230394e0$0200a8c0@3dplus> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1DbG2D.A.ssF.Dj9DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4794C.AA499180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ok, I know those items need to be considered, but what's the solution? See http://www.musicxp.net/ ...Tim... ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4794C.AA499180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
> ok, I know those items need = to be=20 considered, but what's the solution?
 
See http://www.musicxp.net/
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4794C.AA499180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 14:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73ISSM23846; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:28:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040803182749.80730.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: kim's post, yadda yadda yadda To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2AoQ1D.A.DyF.qk9DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 4:31 AM -0700 8/3/04, loop.pool wrote: > >Fry's had a deal last week on a > >P4 1.8 mghz PC with 512 megs of RAM, a 40 gig > harddrive and a CD/RW > >burner/DVD player > >for $399. > > > >Tell me that Macs are cheaper than PCs. Ha - yeup with onboard sound and video - the cheapest ram out there, slowest drive in the world - blah blah blah - and it's probably refurbished too just like 95% of the products at Frys. Probably a good working / net computer but i'm sure it wouldn't handle audio or even high tech gaming that well. This is coming from my experience with those Frys "Deals" My .02 on the mac/pc thing. Although I am primarily a PC user recently I was having trouble running the demo to Guitar Rig (which is a pretty cool product (read toy) but not worth the $400 they want for it) - so I decided to test it out on my girlfriend's out of the box powerbook - man I was up an running in no time and the low latency (which I totally wasn't expecting) on the built in soundcard was great - 100 times more impressive than the sblive on my PC - I think my next computer will definatley be a mac - primarily for Audio - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 14:38:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73IW5c24464; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:32:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:32:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Thompson" To: "'Gary Lehmann'" , Subject: RE: Buying a PC Optimized for Audio Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:31:13 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c47988$11146940$e628290a@hq.netapp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8wmbaD.A.m8F.7n9DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those > Echo Audio PCMCIA cards, the Indigo, for use with my > ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They are cheap > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO > Any opinions on this piece? I liked my first Echo Indigo PCMCIA card so much I bought a second. Highly recommended, particularly for the drivers, which provide 4 virtual stereo outputs with a mixer, so different apps can have their own outputs. Latency is terrific, I can get under 2 milliseconds. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 14:45:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73IgEp26553; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:44:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200408031444.AA289931398@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: laptop audio interface X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a MOTU 828 for my laptop which works great, but I was wanting to get another box that was more portable for live stuff. the FA101 and the EgoSys boxes look pretty cool. Does anyone know of any other good products that: are firewire are bus powered have at least 4 in and 6 out have a headphone output that can be separately addressable (for cueing) have at least 1 midi in/out support 96kHz/24 bit 2 phantom powerable mic-pres have good OSX drivers 1/2 rack or smaller Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jon Wagner" Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:14:10 -0700 > >> In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio >PCMCIA >> cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They are >> cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on this >piece? > >I've been totally excited about the new Edirol FA101 firewire audio >interface. Its small, has 10in and 10out, two mic pre's w/ phantom power >midi in/out and best of all is powered via the firewire bus. This seems >like the perfect laptop audio interface. Street price just under $500. >Anyone have one? opinions? >Jon > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 15:19:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73JG9g31534; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040803191510.82752.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Mac/PC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- matt davignon wrote: > 2nd hard drive. I can't > say much about Mac, except about 3/4 of the laptop > performers I know use > 'em, mostly because Max/MSP has been only available > for Mac until recently. Yep, that's the main reason I replaced my Win98 machine, when it finally broke down for good (keyboard wasn't working - replacement keyboard didn't work either, weird shutdown behavior - the works), with a Mac iBook - wanted to run Max/MSP and didn't believe Cycling74 would have the Windows port ready for another couple of years. Ironically, my use of Max/MSP has been minimal... Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 15:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73JNv700393; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:23:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040803151221.TDCE8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <94DC17CA-E582-11D8-B96C-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Buying a PC Optimized for Audio Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:23:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <0_nexC.A.U_H.vY-DBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-03, at 17.12, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi fellow electronic musicians-- > If you have a budget and want to buy a new machine for (let's say) > looping, > aren't there places (one the web?) where you can buy a system, be it > PC or > Mac, that is optimized for digital audio? Macs are as optimized they can be, when it comes to hardware. What you have to do if you buy one, for audio application, is to make sure you run it with the appropriate system preference settings. If you go for a PC you have to make sure you buy one that is put together with the best components for audio. > In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio > PCMCIA > cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They > are > cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on this > piece? Yes. Everyone I've heard that has bought one loves it. Especially the I/O model if they are a musician or the one with four outputs if they are a DJ. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 15:30:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73JSCn01275; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <019401c47948$230394e0$0200a8c0@3dplus> References: <019401c47948$230394e0$0200a8c0@3dplus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <318DA9E6-E583-11D8-B96C-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:27:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i73JRoh01224 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-03, at 12.53, Leander Reininghaus wrote: >   > ok, I know those items need to be considered, but what's the solution? > Here is the solution: If you go for a PC you can buy an exact copy of a set-up that someone is already successfully using for audio. Here we are talking audio software, system settings, hardware, audio card and driver versions. Note that most ready-made PC's that you buy cheaply in a store is not a good choice for audio. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 19:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73NTx105984; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <3A4FCF2F.3030005@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:28:31 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mp4 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Do you know of any shareware that will let me rip an audio track from an mp4 clip (audio+video) ? thanks, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 19:46:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i73Niq509288; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Optimizing the PC for audio Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:44:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <002f01c47987$56a86980$e628290a@hq.netapp.com> Thread-Index: AcR5h97gFg8yIntyTWKBRBqYhahQngAK7tMQ Message-Id: <20040803234429.ENI18508.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Tim--I fixed lots of potential problems with the advice on this site-- Gary From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:26 AM To: 'Leander Reininghaus'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) > ok, I know those items need to be considered, but what's the solution? 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Download now. --0-1151671831-1091576992=:42811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 20:38:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i740arn17371; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: laptop audio interface Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:42:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200408031444.AA289931398@mail.unitcircle.com> Thread-Index: AcR5ijx1BDZkHyONRZ2b9dbVgXc3LwAKN50A Message-Id: <20040803234233.DKVR7022.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: >> In a related matter, I am considering buying one of those Echo Audio >PCMCIA >> cards, the Indigo, for use with my ancient HP laptop and Sonar. They >> are cheap http://www.zzounds.com/item--ECHINDIGOIO Any opinions on >> this >piece? And then I ran down to Guitar Center and got one--perfect for my purposes--but then I found them for $159 on the web. So I gotta get those guys to match the price--but not during rush hour . . . I tried Ambiloop with it--oh yeah . . . Thanks to all for your recommendation-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 3 21:33:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i741UGk27923; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:30:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:29:26 EDT Subject: Re: Mp4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <0ysHaC.A.0yG.EwDEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/3/04 4:30:51 PM, luca@unguitar.com writes: << any shareware that will let me rip an audio track from an mp4 clip (audio+video) ? >> mac or pc? :-) Quicktime Pro ($29.95) is able to work with mpeg4, but I don't have it so I can't speak to its ripping ability. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 05:14:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7499xa03676; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 05:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 05:09:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c47a02$c5ab5600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: yadda, yadda, yadda Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:09:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com your points are all well taken, Richard. I learn something from you everytime you post. a couple of things that I wanted to respond to in them, though. you said: "I don't use a PC because I hate Windows as a working environment. I think it's ugly and cumbersome compared to the Mac OS. Therefore at the root of my scorn for PC users is the knee-jerk reaction "how can these people stand to work in such a horrible environment." This is a completely subjective (read "irrational") reaction on my part, but since my creative use of computers is largely an aesthetic experience it is always close to the surface. " I really like Win XP, myself and think it is much faster to use than OS X (although this is a really specious statement because I don't have a ton of familiarity with OS X yet..............although I"m doing a lot of sound design on it, currently). I, frankly, think that it has been Steve Jobs egotism that has made him eschew right click funcionality on the mouse. I know that there is some right click functionality on the mouse in OS X but it is minute compared to how much you can do in Win XP. Even from an aesthetic standpoint, I can make my desktop look like I want it to look. I find it much faster to get around (and that may just be familiarity, but I don't think so). The other reason why I like working in Win XP is specifically that four of my favorite programs are not found on both platforms: ACID, FLStudio Granulab and Tu2. You are the person who specifically advised me to make my personal computer choices based on the tools that I wanted to work with. I chose the PC specifically for that reason. I don't think it is better than the Mac...................I just don't think that it is worse. You also said: "Here's an odd, but pertinent example of my attitude, as manifested in another area of creative work: I have a friend who is a composer and instrument builder. He is very successful and his music is attractive and enjoyable. But his music notation is dreadful and his self-made instruments have an unfinished look. In both cases the tools are serviceable and the resulting music is just fine. It's just that neither notation nor instruments are pleasant to look at. Why should I care? No practical reason, but I do." I totally hear you there, but again, my question is, is he wrong because you don't like it? I personally think that the EDP kicks ass on the Boomerang, but does that make Michael Klobuchar an idiot for using one? Hell no, he does really cool stuff because HE LIKES IT and knows it really , really well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 09:11:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74D2nq09383; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:02:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:02:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040804130154.78782.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: MOTU 828MkII Firewire - 400Mbps or 800Mbps Card? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5f71KD.A.wRC.H5NEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there are quite a few of you here, I thought I'd ask.... I have an 828MkII and will be recording some stuff with my bandmates at their place. One of them wants to use one of his PCs as the recording machine but it doesn't have a Firewire card. What speed of Firewire card should he get, if it matters? Thanks, Paolo _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 12:01:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74FuRL07601; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a301c47a02$c5ab5600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00a301c47a02$c5ab5600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:45:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: yadda, yadda, yadda Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1120487603==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <4LT6mB.A.iuB.PbQEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1120487603==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:09 AM -0700 8/4/04, loop.pool wrote: >I really like Win XP, myself and think it is much faster to use than OS X >(although this is a really specious statement because I don't have a ton of >familiarity with OS X yet..............although I"m doing a lot of sound >design on it, currently). Understand that my comments concern my personal feelings about Windows and, by extension my (probably unfair, but deeply felt) attitude about Windows users. Not about some "abstract" suitability of Windows for doing creative work. Others can debate the technical merits of the two operating systems with more authority than I can, or than I'd want to. I've been using the Mac OS since 1985 (full time since January '86), at which time Windows didn't exist. Everything about early versions of Windows repelled me. Nothing about it attracted me. As subsequent versions appeared they got better (more "Mac-like") but they never got "better enough" to change my feelings about the OS. In all this time there has been only one application that I needed to use that was Windows-only, and I hated working with it so much that I eventually stopped using it. Therefore I've never spent enough time in any version Windows to get fast. One thing I did find is that there were many instances of the OS interposing many "are you sure?" dialog boxes whenever I wanted to do something. >I, frankly, think that it has been Steve Jobs egotism that has made him >eschew right click funcionality on the mouse. I know that there is some >right click functionality on the mouse in OS X but it is minute compared to >how much you can do in Win XP. You can Control-click to pop up a context-sensitive menu, though I rarely use this. Command- and Option-click do certain things in certain applications. This is especially true of graphics apps. I think lot of what the right button does can be accomplished with key commands, so you don't need to go mousing around the menus. In addition, I have a Kensington trackball with 10 buttons that allows me any kind of functionality I want. For the most part I use just the four main buttons, which are programmed thus: Upper L menu of currently running applications Upper R double-click Lower L single-click Lower R click-and-drag Lower L+R menu of commonly used applications >Even from an aesthetic standpoint, I can make my desktop look like I want it >to look. I wasn't talking about the desktop. Dialog boxes and even the main windows of many applications are just plain ugly in windows. Both the window graphics and fonts are boxy and jaggy. >The other reason why I like working in Win XP is specifically that four of >my favorite programs are not found on both platforms: ACID, FLStudio >Granulab and Tu2. This is an excellent reason. >You also said: >"I have a friend who is a composer and instrument builder...his >music notation is dreadful and his self-made instruments have an >unfinished look." I totally hear you there, but again, my question is, is he wrong because you don't like it? He's not wrong, but I admire his work less because his visual sense is undeveloped. I have greater enjoyment (and respect) for artists who are artful in everything they do. Lou Harrison is an excellent example. Even his chalkboard notes in the classroom were a fine aesthetic experience. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1120487603==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: yadda, yadda, yadda
At 2:09 AM -0700 8/4/04, loop.pool wrote:

I really like Win XP, myself and think it is much faster to use than OS X
(although this is a really specious statement because I don't have a ton of
familiarity with OS X yet..............although I"m doing a lot of sound
design on it, currently).

Understand that my comments concern my personal feelings about Windows and, by extension my (probably unfair, but deeply felt) attitude about Windows users. Not about some "abstract" suitability of Windows for doing creative work.

Others can debate the technical merits of the two operating systems with more authority than I can, or than I'd want to. I've been using the Mac OS since 1985 (full time since January '86), at which time Windows didn't exist. Everything about early versions of Windows repelled me. Nothing about it attracted me. As subsequent versions appeared they got better (more "Mac-like") but they never got "better enough" to change my feelings about the OS. In all this time there has been only one application that I needed to use that was Windows-only, and I hated working with it so much that I eventually stopped using it.

Therefore I've never spent enough time in any version Windows to get fast. One thing I did find is that there were many instances of the OS interposing many "are you sure?" dialog boxes whenever I wanted to do something.

I, frankly, think that it has been Steve Jobs egotism that has made him
eschew right click funcionality on the mouse.   I know that there is some
right click functionality on the mouse in OS X but it is minute compared to
how much you can do in Win XP.

You can Control-click to pop up a context-sensitive menu, though I rarely use this. Command- and Option-click do certain things in certain applications. This is especially true of graphics apps. I think lot of what the right button does can be accomplished with key commands, so you don't need to go mousing around the menus.

In addition, I have a Kensington trackball with 10 buttons that allows me any kind of functionality I want. For the most part I use just the four main buttons, which are programmed thus:

Upper L         menu of currently running applications
Upper R         double-click
Lower L         single-click
Lower R         click-and-drag
Lower L+R       menu of commonly used applications


Even from an aesthetic standpoint, I can make my desktop look like I want it
to look.

I wasn't talking about the desktop. Dialog boxes and even the main windows of many applications are just plain ugly in windows. Both the window graphics and fonts are boxy and jaggy.

The other reason why I like working in Win XP is specifically that four of
my  favorite programs are not found on both platforms:   ACID, FLStudio
Granulab and Tu2.

This is an excellent reason.

You also said:
"I have a friend who is a composer and instrument builder...his music notation is dreadful and his self-made instruments have an unfinished look."

I totally hear you there, but again, my question is,   is he wrong because
you don't like it?

He's not wrong, but I admire his work less because his visual sense is undeveloped. I have greater enjoyment (and respect) for artists who are artful in everything they do. Lou Harrison is an excellent example. Even his chalkboard notes in the classroom were a fine aesthetic experience.

--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1120487603==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 12:30:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74GRPC16578; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:27:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:27:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41110E9D.6030203@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:28:13 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20jul.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for July, 2004. Shows #380 to #384; 1-July-2004 to 29-July-2004 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== 4M33S - The Ritual - AmbientLive Brannan Lane - Distant Friends - ACM Bruno Sanfilippo - Visualia - Neuronium Der Spyra - Excerpts 1 - Ricochet Dream Harold Grosskopf - Oceanheart - Groove HyperEx Machina - Remembrance - AmbientLive Jean-Pierre Saccomani - Voyage Intersideral en Nimbus - MCP John Lakveet - Building Sequential Stones Vol. 1 - Groove John Sherwood and Stephen James Munslow - AL2K3 Notting Hill - AmbientLive Klaus Schulze - The Crime of Suspense - Rainhorse Klaus Schulze - Trance 4 Motion - Rainhorse Klaus Schulze - Vanity of Sounds - Rainhorse Klaus Schulze & USO - Privee - Rainhorse Mark Dwane - The Sirius Link - Trondant Max Corbacho and Bruno San Filippo - Indalo - AD21 Music The Omega Syndicate - Analogue Waves - Neu Harmony Otarion - Faces of the Night - Neu Harmony Palancar - Momerath - Blue Water Rogue Element - Premonition - Acoustic Wave Volt - Star Compass - Groove Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 12:34:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74GWWl17954; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <41110F77.000026.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:31:51 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_3LKXLHG2QL8000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jeff Evans X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <6eWB8.A.OWE.49QEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_3LKXLHG2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, =0D I have listened to about half of the tracks. I like them a lot. =0D =0D what's your mail address. I have a few questions I rather post directly. = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 08/02/04 17:46:36=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: My first loops.=0D =0D Hello everyone,=0D About a month or two ago, I joined this list as a complete looping=0D newbie (and I consider myself to still be one), but I thought I'd get=0D some opinions on my first efforts, be they good or bad. My personal=0D opinions seem to vary from day to day, so I have no idea if I'm on the=0D right track.=0D =0D Some notes about the loops:=0D - these are 9 of my first 15 loops (with the exception of the 4-or-so=0D loops I did before I began recording them all).=0D - they're all straight to 2-track with no overdubs or sequencing, and=0D all are played on a guitar/guitar-synth. I'd try using Ableton, but I=0D don't have enough hands (or midi programming ability, yet) to manage=0D that.=0D - the only edits are fades at the end (and one where I had to clean up=0D the beginning because I began recording after the loop was well=0D underway). perhaps this explains the bad notes.=0D - i'm aware of the noise (cheap i/o) and clipping. sorry.=0D =0D Here's the link:=0D http://www.sazerac.tv/ejefftronic=0D and then click the loops link.=0D =0D Thanks for you time,=0D Jeff Evans=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm --------------Boundary-00=_3LKXLHG2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
   I have listened to about half of the tracks. I like the= m a lot.
 
what's your mail address. I have a few questions I rather post direc= tly.  
 
 
 
 
 
Hello everyone,
About a month or two ago, I joined this list as a complete looping
newbie (and I consider myself to still be one), but I thought I'd ge= t
some opinions on my first efforts, be they good or bad. My personal<= /DIV>
opinions seem to vary from day to day, so I have no idea if I'm on t= he
right track.
 
Some notes about the loops:
- these are 9 of my first 15 loops (with the exception of the 4-or-s= o
loops I did before I began recording them all).
- they're all straight to 2-track with no overdubs or sequencing, an= d
all are played on a guitar/guitar-synth. I'd try using Ableton, but = I
don't have enough hands (or midi programming ability, yet) to manage=
that.
- the only edits are fades at the end (and one where I had to clean = up
 
 
 
 
 
         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         SE Help
          = First Eval' Help.....Click Below<= FONT color=3D#0000ff>
 
          = Real Producer Tutorial
         &= nbsp;     
         &= nbsp;    Encoding Specs (dynami= c tool)
    &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Free Player URL
         &= nbsp;    http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/
         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;      Ent= erprise Player Guide    
--------------Boundary-00=_3LKXLHG2QL8000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 13:21:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74HGv732120; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <00a301c47a02$c5ab5600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00a301c47a02$c5ab5600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <00F3EBEB-E63A-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: yadda, yadda, yadda Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:16:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2pnitC.A.tyH.mnREBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 4, 2004, at 2:09 AM, loop.pool wrote: > The other reason why I like working in Win XP is specifically that > four of > my favorite programs are not found on both platforms: ACID, FLStudio > Granulab and Tu2. I haven't used either of them, but I believe that Apple's Soundtrack was written by the same person who wrote ACID. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 13:29:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74HQko03204; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <00F3EBEB-E63A-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> References: <00a301c47a02$c5ab5600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00F3EBEB-E63A-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E2668F2-E63B-11D8-9822-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: yadda, yadda, yadda Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:26:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, and the OS was written by the same people who took it. On Aug 4, 2004, at 10:16 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > On Aug 4, 2004, at 2:09 AM, loop.pool wrote: > >> The other reason why I like working in Win XP is specifically that >> four of >> my favorite programs are not found on both platforms: ACID, >> FLStudio >> Granulab and Tu2. > > I haven't used either of them, but I believe that Apple's Soundtrack > was written by the same person who wrote ACID. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 16:29:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74KPis19386; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: yadda, yadda, yadda Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C47A26.4EA9BFF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9XhoV.A.8sE.TYUEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C47A26.4EA9BFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zvonar wrote: >Therefore I've never spent enough time in any version Windows to get fast. One thing I did find is that there were many instances of the OS interposing many "are you sure?" dialog boxes whenever I wanted to do something. Bwahahahahaha.. Oh.would that be like the incessant "are you sure you want to SHUT DOWN your computer?" that is part of the Macintosh's OSX? My god, I'm tired of that stupid window. I use Mac's for design/graphics/photo correction and manipulation 5 days a week And I play/record music on a Carillon P4 1.7gh, 512ram, 2 x 40gig 7200 drives, and a M-Audio Omni I/O, running Win2K. Problems on both that were surmountable by knowledge, patience, action, and throwing money at stuff. But they have both been fantastically creative tools that were unimaginable 50 years ago. I agree, the OS argument has become a religious argument, and somewhat not-so-wonderfully American "let's create a social situation that pivots Man against Man, party against party, team against team..(fill in your favorite action movie pic, sports championship competition, or political engagement here.) Let's get old school on ourselves and have Steve Jobs and Bill Gates compete for their lives, and our eventual monolithic OS choice, in a gladiatorial battle! Or maybe George W. vs. Kerry?..check out the great film of those two at www.atomfilms.com I digress. My fingers make mistakes when learning and playing music. I have to expect the silicon beast to fuck up every once in a while, too, right? Save often, backup your drives, keep it simple, organized and defragged/unbugged. Fix what doesn't work and move on. We're creating a lot of digital garbage here people. make it work for you and others. Who cares what fucking OS you use. Get over it. Now I have to get off this silly computer and return to color correcting some fancy duds on another computer 3 miles away...away...away... away...away...away loopon/. Best, Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C47A26.4EA9BFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: yadda, yadda, yadda

Zvonar = wrote:

 

=

>Therefore I've never spent enough time in any version Windows to get fast. One = thing I did find is that there were many instances of the OS interposing many = "are you sure?" dialog boxes whenever I wanted to do = something.

 

Bwahahahahaha<= font color=3Dnavy>….

        = ;    Oh…would that be like the incessant “are you sure you want to SHUT DOWN = your computer?” that is part of the Macintosh’s = OSX?

 

        = ;    My god, I’m tired of that stupid window.

 

        = ;    I use Mac’s for design/graphics/photo correction and manipulation 5 = days a week

        = ;    And I play/record music on a Carillon P4  1.7gh, 512ram, 2 x 40gig = 7200 drives, and a M-Audio Omni I/O, running = Win2K.

 

        = ;    Problems on both that were surmountable by knowledge, patience, action, and = throwing money at stuff.  But they = have both been fantastically creative tools that were unimaginable 50 years = ago.

 

        = ;    I agree, the OS argument has become a religious argument, and somewhat = not-so-wonderfully American “let’s create a social situation that pivots Man = against Man, party against party, team against team….(fill in your favorite action movie pic, sports championship competition, or political engagement here…) =

 

Let’s get old school on = ourselves and have Steve Jobs and Bill Gates compete for their lives, and our = eventual monolithic OS choice, in a gladiatorial = battle!

Or maybe George W. vs. Kerry?….check  out the great film of those two at  www.atomfilms.com

 

I = digress…

 

My fingers make mistakes when = learning and playing music.  I have to = expect the silicon beast to fuck up every once in a while, too, = right?

Save often, backup your drives, = keep it simple, organized and defragged/unbugged.  Fix what doesn’t work and = move on… We’re creating a lot of digital garbage here people… make it = work for you and others.  Who = cares what fucking OS you use.  Get over = it.

 

Now I have to get off this silly = computer and return to color correcting some fancy duds on another computer 3 = miles away…..away…..away….. away…..away…..away   loopon/.

 

Best,

Rich

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C47A26.4EA9BFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 16:59:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74Kv8826582; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <3A50FCC4.4080701@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:55:16 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mp4 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks ! Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/3/04 4:30:51 PM, luca@unguitar.com writes: > ><< any shareware that will let me rip an >audio track from an mp4 clip (audio+video) ? >> > >mac or pc? >:-) > >Quicktime Pro ($29.95) is able to work with mpeg4, > but I don't have it so I can't speak to its ripping ability. > > >BobC > > > >www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 17:09:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74L7PC30790; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000801c47747$5b9dd430$0401000a@mobilegrfx> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:05:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Laila Lounge, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. > >that's my neighborhood bar! I'm sitting a block away! > >darn, darn, darn -- we are committed to be elsewhere at 9:15. tell >me in advance next time and I'll show up and bring friends... hah. so we missed the 9:15 and we DID see this show despite my claims otherwise. >Entertainment by: Sarth Calhoun (live electronic alchemy) with Leah >Coloff (cello/vocals) and Andrew Green (guitar, bass) additional >processing courtesy of Gregory Kage ... and some live video and stuff. Laila has a nice medium-sized basement room with the usual decent sound system you see almost everywhere these days -- can't remember the last time I was in a club with crappy gear, I remember doing shows on Vocalmaster speakers in my youth. We showed up on time after blowing our other show but there were some tech troubles -- I don't think the video ever got working? but the audio mix did get in there nicely with only a hint of feedback twice (always an issue with effects). We certainly enjoyed the show and there was a lot to like about it -- fine musicianship from all three. Ms. Coloff is a strong front person, a fine cellist with a brilliant voice, Mr. Green a steady solid presence and Mr. Calhoun's slamming beats are something I envy, though I wanted to see more Kyma madness. I paid pretty damn close attention to this, actually, and I could give you the full review if you wanted to, either here on the list or privately (my detailed reviews can be pretty harsh at times ). /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 17:15:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74L7Q630800; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:06:38 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: NYC subway looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and I should mention that a few days ago in Union Square subway station I walked past a man playing acoustic guitar through an RC-20... I was rushing to my train and didn't get a chance to hear exactly what he was doing, but it's a nice step! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 17:29:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74LQsX04101; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:24:29 -0500 Subject: Macs vs PCs and price Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Dion Stewart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200408042029.i74KTDm20277@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alienware makes some "digital audio" PCs for those looking for a working set up straight out of the box on the PC side of the fence. Of course, the desktops go for about 3k US and the laptops are 3.5k US so if the main reason you're going with a PC over a Mac is price savings this isn't going to help you much. With Alienware you're paying in part for the name (just like Apple), but they do build quality machines that work. http://www.alienware.com/Product_Pages/workstation_audio.aspx Dion From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 18:22:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74MKns20084; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:20:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:20:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c47a71$34eff250$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: applesoundtracks/ACID Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:20:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C47A36.8863C8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <-QYV2.A.v3E.cEWEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C47A36.8863C8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark wrote: "> I haven't used either of them, but I believe that Apple's Soundtrack=20 > was written by the same person who wrote ACID." Thanks for the tip. I've not experienced Soundtrack but I've heard from a few people who have that it is like ACID 1.0. Acid is now in version 4.0 which is vastly more powerful than the = earlier versions. Doe anyone have any experience with both and can give a review? ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C47A36.8863C8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark wrote:
"> I = haven't used=20 either of them, but I believe that Apple's Soundtrack
> was = written by=20 the same person who wrote ACID."
 
Thanks for the tip.  I've not experienced = Soundtrack=20 but
I've heard from a few people who = have that it is=20 like ACID 1.0.
Acid is now in version 4.0 which is vastly more = powerful=20 than the earlier
versions.
 
Doe anyone have any experience with both and can = give a=20 review?
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C47A36.8863C8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 18:28:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74MPTM21152; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c47a71$ebf372b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Jeff Evans Loops Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:25:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Jeff, Nice work. I think you would really dig hunting down Andre LaFosse and listening to his incredible guitar loop music. You seem to have a sensibility that you share with him and he is, for my money, the greatest master of the EDP, particularly it's slicing and dicing variations (many of which he innovated). He's influenced my EDP work greatly (as well as a ton of other people at this site). You can reach him through the website (L.D.) Drop $20 or $30 bucks on his stuff, you'll be stoked you did. keep up the good work and welcome to the looping meta world. yours, Rick Walker L()()p.p()()L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 18:57:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74Mt8m30335; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:47:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: yadda, yadda, yadda Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1120462424==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1120462424==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 1:24 PM -0700 8/4/04, the toy room wrote: > Oh=8Awould that be like the incessant=20 >"are you sure you want to SHUT DOWN your=20 >computer?" that is part of the Macintosh's OSX? I wouldn't know. I leave my Mac on all the time. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1120462424==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: yadda, yadda, yadda
At 1:24 PM -0700 8/4/04, the toy room wrote:

            Oh=8Awould that be like the incessant "are you sure you want to SHUT DOWN your computer?" that is part of the Macintosh's OSX?

I wouldn't know. I leave my Mac on all the time.
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--============_-1120462424==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 19:11:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i74N7nt02662; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <006601c47a71$ebf372b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006601c47a71$ebf372b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Jeff Evans Loops Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:06:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, thanks for the encouragement! I found out about loopers-delight from Ted Killian (who I stumbled onto on cd-baby, and whose cd I love) and he recommended a boatload of artists, including Andre LaFosse. there were so many great recommendations that Andre got lost in the shuffle. But on the loopers-delight list, Andre's name was mentioned so much that I just had to check it out right away, so I went to altruistmusic.com and listened and read and listened some more, and immediately ordered Normalized and Disruption Theory. Absolutely amazing stuff. Disruption Theory is great - and Normalized ...groundbreaking? ... paradigm shifting? ... I can't find the appropriate words. His "slicing and dicing" approach had me so intrigued that I considered buying an EDP (which I may eventually do anyway) even though I recently bought an Eventide Eclipse and (for my solid-state(synth and piezo) side of my rig) a DD-20. I've got so much to learn as it is (the Eclipse alone could take years to really know - given my other responsibilities). Can I assume you've got some loops posted somewhere that I can check out? Have a good one, and thanks again, Jeff On Aug 4, 2004, at 5:25 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Hey Jeff, Nice work. > > I think you would really dig hunting down Andre LaFosse and listening > to his > incredible guitar loop music. > You seem to have a sensibility that you share with him and he is, for > my > money, the greatest master of > the EDP, particularly it's slicing and dicing variations (many of > which he > innovated). He's influenced my > EDP work greatly (as well as a ton of other people at this site). > > You can reach him through the website (L.D.) > > Drop $20 or $30 bucks on his stuff, you'll be stoked you did. > > keep up the good work and welcome to the looping meta world. > > yours, Rick Walker > L()()p.p()()L > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 21:19:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i751GYN08264; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <000DC028-E67D-11D8-8B66-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: One Foot AC cords? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:15:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of years ago someone posted a link where you could buy 1" AC cords. I checked the archives and didn't find it. Does any body know where I might find some? I'm simplifying my rack. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 22:21:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i752IRs28052; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:18:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:17:23 EDT Subject: Re: yadda, yadda, yadda To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf.4312f89e.2e42f2b3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bf.4312f89e.2e42f2b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/04 5:13:44 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > but does that > make Michael Klobuchar an idiot > wait a minute!.....michael klobuchar was an idiot well before he became addicted to his boomerang!.....:) --part1_bf.4312f89e.2e42f2b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/4/04 5:13:44 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


but does that
make Michael Klobuchar an idiot


wait a minute!.....michael klobuchar was an idiot well before he became addi= cted to his boomerang!.....:) --part1_bf.4312f89e.2e42f2b3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 4 23:14:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i753DAE12689; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:13:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000DC028-E67D-11D8-8B66-000393D7CC50@mac.com> References: <000DC028-E67D-11D8-8B66-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:12:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: One Foot AC cords? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:15 PM -0400 8/4/04, John Metzler wrote: >A couple of years ago someone posted a link where you could buy 1" >AC cords...Does any body know where I might find some? http://www.newark.com/product-details/text/CD121/6216.html http://sfcable.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SC&Category_Code=59&source=google -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 06:31:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75AUnM10875; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1091701801!18106241 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE090028@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: yadda, yadda, yadda Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:24:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C47AD6.5E3E0790" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47AD6.5E3E0790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I, frankly, think that it has been Steve Jobs egotism that has made him eschew right click funcionality on the mouse. I know that there is some right click functionality on the mouse in OS X but it is minute compared to how much you can do in Win XP.<< I've been staying out of this debate on account of I get into it with the petrol-head pc fans everyday at work.... my own personal view, based on experience of building & using a variety of pc & mac platforms, each with numerous OS versions right the way from 5 or 6 on the apple & 3.x on the pc, is that the mac (generally) is more of a means-to-an-end, while a pc can often be an end in itself. that is to say, there are people in both camps who actually want to get stuff done with the tools at hand, & there are people in both camps who are quite happy to tinker with the computer instead, endlessly trying to optimise it's performance & generally forgetting why they bought it in the first place. I would hope more of us on this group, regardless of platform, were in the former group. anyway. I have a wacom tablet that cost $60 with a pen & a cordless mouse. both tools have three buttons- the mouse has a scrolly wheel thing & the pen has an eraser at the chewing end. all can be configured to do stuff in OS-9.6.1. but back on topic for a moment- today I left the g/f at home with verbal instructions on how to record a couple of bars of drumbox out of a cheesy old toy keyboard into cubase, chop the bit she wants & load it into ableton to loop it up. I have no idea what I was talking about but I bet she manages it. she uses a g4 powerbook..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I, frankly, think that it has been Steve Jobs ego= tism that has made him
eschew right click funcionality on the mouse.  = ; I know that there is some
right click functionality on the mouse in OS X but it is= minute compared to
how much you can do in Win XP.<<

I've been staying out of this debate on account of I get = into it with the petrol-head pc fans everyday at work.... my own personal v= iew, based on experience of building & using a variety of pc & mac = platforms, each with numerous OS versions right the way from 5 or 6 on the = apple & 3.x on the pc, is that the mac (generally) is more of a means-t= o-an-end, while a pc can often be an end in itself.

that is to say, there are people in both camps who actual= ly want to get stuff done with the tools at hand, & there are people in= both camps who are quite happy to tinker with the computer instead, endles= sly trying to optimise it's performance & generally forgetting why they= bought it in the first place. I would hope more of us on this group, regar= dless of platform, were in the former group.

anyway.
I have a wacom tablet that cost $60 with a pen & a c= ordless mouse. both tools have three buttons- the mouse has a scrolly wheel= thing & the pen has an eraser at the chewing end. all can be configure= d to do stuff in OS-9.6.1.

but back on topic for a moment- today I left the g/f at h= ome with verbal instructions on how to record a couple of bars of drumbox o= ut of a cheesy old toy keyboard into cubase, chop the bit she wants & l= oad it into ableton to loop it up. I have no idea what I was talking about = but I bet she manages it. she uses a g4 powerbook.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C47AD6.5E3E0790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 07:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75B5kn18219; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Raphael Mouneyres "live looper" chameleon project Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4521CD94-E4CF-11D8-9C61-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:05:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too complicated? You must have looked at the wrong one. Here's Raphael's very high-level description. http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 6:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raphael Mouneyres "live looper" chameleon project On Aug 2, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Art Simon wrote: > I was searching the web for more info on the echoplex chameleon port, > and I came across _another_ looper that's in development for the > chameleon. It's called "live looper" and according to the blurb on i've tried emailing that guy but mail just bounces from his address. his idea is way too complicated, he needs to simplify it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 08:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75C6eq28111; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c47ae4$92a5d450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <200408051031.i75AVkw11096@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: JEFF EVANS Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:06:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, Andre's stuff is wonderful and paradigm breaking I think. I would highly recommend that you buy yourself an EDP if you can afford it. They are just recently back in supply again (try Musicians Friend or Alto Music) and , though pricey , are really incredible instruments: really, nothing out there does what it does (thanks Matthias, Kim, Andy, Andre, Claude and all the brilliant people who designed this amazing tool). Andre, when I've seen him, has only used a guitar, an amp and an EDP....................period!!!! very impressive. And thanks for your interest in my music as well. I have a website at www.looppool.info where there are a lot of mp3s available to let you know what my idiosyncratic sonic world is about. I have three CDs out and am working really hard to get my fourth CD (and second abstract electronica project, heavy on loop oriented composition) due out by the Y2K4 Live Looping Festival on October 9th and 10th. If you really want to get acquainted with a lot of the creativity that is in this scene you might think about coming to see this two day festival. Some wonderful loopers will be playing. take care, keep us posted on your musical progress.................it's nice to have some really enthusiastic newbie energy here at Loopers Delight. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 10:27:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75EN1V20369; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20040804072005.0364e080@pop.dakotacom.net> X-Sender: ddw@pop.dakotacom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:21:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wellington Subject: Did the next batch of EDPs ship? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has Gibson paid for any more EDPs or are we still working on the first batch of 150? Thanks, -Doug http://www.softsampling.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 13:29:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75HRdj27144; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:26:32 -0400 From: Kevin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Comparison of some looping pedals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, I've been seriously considering buying a looping pedal for a few weeks now, though am having trouble choosing which one to buy. I've only used the Boss RC-20, which was so-so. I had to really drop the boot on it to get either switch to go, and the whole 'the first loop stays just as loud as you add more loops' thing kinda turned me off. Also, it seemed that you could only overdub a loop that was the same length as the first loop. I'm not sure if this is common with all pedals, but I would think this would hamper some people. What I mean is I can't record a 2 measure beat, than say a 4 measure bass riff, etc. If I loop something for 2 measures, the rest of the overdubs I put on it will have to be 2 measures as well, right? I'd be interested to know which pedals do this and which don't :-) I know Keller Williams uses a Jam Man, which I found odd because I didn't read very many positive reviews about them. I also found the Line 6 DL4 to be pretty nifty. So, my problem is which of these to buy. Like I said, I've only tried the RC-20, so I really can't compare them. I don't plan to use more than one instrument live (for now), but I may use more at home/recording/etc. I'd like to stay around or under $200US, but that's just a preference. Thanks so much for your help :-D Kevin Wyman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 14:28:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75IPjd06260; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41127C21.7050405@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:27:45 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mp4 References: <3A50FCC4.4080701@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <3A50FCC4.4080701@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca Formentini wrote: > thanks ! > Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 8/3/04 4:30:51 PM, luca@unguitar.com writes: >> << any shareware that will let me rip an >> audio track from an mp4 clip (audio+video) ? >> >> mac or pc? >> :-) >> Quicktime Pro ($29.95) is able to work with mpeg4, >> but I don't have it so I can't speak to its ripping ability. >> BobC >> www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >> http://trundlebox.iuma.com > Dear Luca, Please check your PC's clock. This message was dated Jan 1, 2001 at 4:55 pm! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 15:02:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75IxOI13624; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <81.126b1d5c.2e43dd5c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:58:36 EDT Subject: Re: Comparison of some looping pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2KEdtD.A.o8C.oNoEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/5/04 10:27:31 AM, kwyman@gmail.com writes: << What I mean is I can't record a 2 measure beat, than say a 4 measure bass riff, etc. If I loop something for 2 measures, the rest of the overdubs I put on it will have to be 2 measures as well, right? >> Yes. I think, as someone mentioned previously, the work around that is to establish a blank loop of the # of measures you want then overdub into that. Not elegant but you can save a variety of blank loops, 4 measure or 8 measure whatever and always have it handy on the dial. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 15:07:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75J3tu14394; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2627C4D0-E712-11D8-AFA0-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Comparison of some looping pedals Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:03:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <437AuC.A.LgD.RSoEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is the pedal I use as you get stereo loopage and the ability to get two loops going at the same time, unlike the DL4 which only loops in mono with one loop at a time. Both pedals have their pros and cons though. The two loops on the Boss DD-20 is a bit of a kludge. http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=121 Mark On Aug 5, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Kevin wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've been seriously considering buying a looping pedal for a few weeks > now, though am having trouble choosing which one to buy. I've only > used the Boss RC-20, which was so-so. I had to really drop the boot > on it to get either switch to go, and the whole 'the first loop stays > just as loud as you add more loops' thing kinda turned me off. Also, > it seemed that you could only overdub a loop that was the same length > as the first loop. I'm not sure if this is common with all pedals, > but I would think this would hamper some people. What I mean is I > can't record a 2 measure beat, than say a 4 measure bass riff, etc. > If I loop something for 2 measures, the rest of the overdubs I put on > it will have to be 2 measures as well, right? I'd be interested to > know which pedals do this and which don't :-) > > I know Keller Williams uses a Jam Man, which I found odd because I > didn't read very many positive reviews about them. I also found the > Line 6 DL4 to be pretty nifty. > > So, my problem is which of these to buy. Like I said, I've only tried > the RC-20, so I really can't compare them. I don't plan to use more > than one instrument live (for now), but I may use more at > home/recording/etc. I'd like to stay around or under $200US, but > that's just a preference. > > Thanks so much for your help :-D > > Kevin Wyman > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 15:24:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75JMOU18488; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.179.33] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Nusic On the Net Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:21:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2004 19:21:50.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[754C5310:01C47B21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there one and all I have been rather absent of late due to a random piece of sneakwhare on my computer that pops up a search page instead of hotmail everytime I load it (as if Im going ot say oh yer I love using stuff Ive been forced to use). well anyways in the mean time i have been quite busy putting a few of my songs on the net so you guys can hear what I have been doing with all the ideas and info I get from this forum. all the usual provisos apply, these songs are created live wth no after the fact edits or overdubs bar fades, they are spontanious improvs s have a fair few music mistakes in them and stuff. just thought you might like to cheack out what im doing. Im also thinking of releasing a more formal C.D. on CD baby soon so let me know if you want any advanced copies!!!!! heres the link http://music.download.com/therealblackface enjoy, Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 16:16:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75KCIs27843; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:11:43 -0400 From: Kevin To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison of some looping pedals In-Reply-To: <81.126b1d5c.2e43dd5c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <81.126b1d5c.2e43dd5c@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But if you record a blank loop of four measures, with the intent to loop a two measure beat, you'll have to play it for four measures anyways, right? So if you just make the first loop as many measures as the longest loop you plan to do, that should work too, right? On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:58:36 EDT, aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/04 10:27:31 AM, kwyman@gmail.com writes: > > << What I mean is I > can't record a 2 measure beat, than say a 4 measure bass riff, etc. > If I loop something for 2 measures, the rest of the overdubs I put on > it will have to be 2 measures as well, right? >> > > Yes. > I think, as someone mentioned previously, the work around that is to > establish a blank loop of the # of measures you want then overdub into that. > Not elegant but you can save a variety of blank loops, 4 measure or 8 measure > whatever and always have it handy on the dial. > > BobC > > www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 16:59:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i75Ku9m04750; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C47B3F.720C95C0@dyn-83-155-177-204.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: My Nusic On the Net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:56:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C47B3F.720C95C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C47B3F.720C95C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Phil, great piece, I liked it quite a lot I must say. That is typically the kind of music I like to listen too, and try to make too by the way. I only found one for download and whish there would have been more. also, I'd appreciate knowing about the looping gear you used to record = this song, and what is the instrument that can be heard at the end after the guitar = is gone (kind of oscillating synth after 5:22 until the end) ? If the CD you plan to put on cdbaby is this type of music, please let me know, I'd love to listen to more of your music. Cheers Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: lol c [SMTP:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Date: jeudi 5 ao=FBt 2004 21:22 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: My Nusic On the Net Hi there one and all I have been rather absent of late due to a random piece of sneakwhare on = my=20 computer that pops up a search page instead of hotmail everytime I load = it=20 (as if Im going ot say oh yer I love using stuff Ive been forced to = use). well anyways in the mean time i have been quite busy putting a few of my = songs on the net so you guys can hear what I have been doing with all = the=20 ideas and info I get from this forum. all the usual provisos apply, these songs are created live wth no after = the=20 fact edits or overdubs bar fades, they are spontanious improvs s have a = fair=20 few music mistakes in them and stuff. just thought you might like to cheack out what im doing. Im also thinking of releasing a more formal C.D. on CD baby soon so let = me=20 know if you want any advanced copies!!!!! heres the link http://music.download.com/therealblackface enjoy, Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <195.2cd6f726.2e440503@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:47:47 EDT Subject: Re: Comparison of some looping pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8Y372B.A.GbD.TsqEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/5/04 1:12:07 PM, kwyman@gmail.com writes: << But if you record a blank loop of four measures, with the intent to loop a two measure beat, you'll have to play it for four measures anyways, right? So if you just make the first loop as many measures as the longest loop you plan to do, that should work too, right? >> Yes. Not helpful for free improv but if you are working from planned parameters then it can function. If you are in a performance situation you could have set up each of the 10 slots on the RC20 as a preset blank based on the predetermined measure loop length you need. Some precision required. :-) BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 5 21:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i761B8D16397; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <87.127c1ea4.2e44347d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:10:21 EDT Subject: Re: Jeff Evans Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i761AYh16320 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Jeff (and everybody else), I checked out the first 4 of the loops you've got up there at and I must say that I am really impressed with your efforts so far. Although I'm on a dang slow dial-up connection . . . and it takes me quite a while to download the tunes . . . it's still well worth the wait. What a treat! Very promising. I forget just where it is you hale from. But Rick is right. You should definitely check out some of the "loopfests" that take place from time to time around the country -- especially the Y2K(?) fests that happen annually in Santa Cruz, CA. I think Y2K4 is happening this October sometime . . .eh Rick? Oh . . . and BTW . . . thanks for the kind reference. Sounds like I didn't steer you too far wrong on any of those CD recommendations. I guess you must've found some inspirational substance in there somewhere. Keep up the good work! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 01:55:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i765qVj10600; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: real time audio to midi sync analysis Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:51:43 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c47b79$743fe420$6401a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all Loopers! This is my first post to the group. I checked the archives, but I didn't find quite what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a device which will listen to a real-time audio source (such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and calculate midi sync info to be sent out as master clock to my DAW applications like Ableton Live 4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ stuff. I'll be doing this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a footswitch-controlled tap tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis quickly "in the zone". Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is done, it would be more or less automatically reacting and listening to subtle changes in tempo during a live performance. For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it (in tempo with the band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but then bring it back in later while still being in sync with the band. I do NOT want to be following a click track or a metronome! I don't want the drummer tied to a click! I want the click/sync following to the band! Any info would be much appreciated. I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 Thanks, Griff Peters www.griffpeters.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 03:06:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76736l23256; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41132CF4.1040506@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:02:12 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: yadda, yadda, yadda References: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> In-Reply-To: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, > Oh…would that be like the incessant “are you sure you want to SHUT > DOWN your computer?” that is part of the Macintosh’s OSX? > > My god, I’m tired of that stupid window. > there is a shortcut to bypass this window. just use: command+option+control+eject (desktops) or command+option+control+power (laptops). don't worry, it will give you a chance to save any unsaved documents. but, as Richard said, my mac stays on for days at a time with no problems, so I seldom need to use it. best Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 03:23:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i767LRs25958; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:21:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:21:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <003301c47b85$de7d31b0$4f42fea9@gebaeude7> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <41132CF4.1040506@iinet.net.au> Subject: spamming the list Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:20:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I really enjoy this mailing list. But I think this whole PC vs MAC thing is off topic. I joined the list cause I wanted to read opinions about looping stuff, like the Oberheim or other hardware gear. There is looping software out there, thats really important. (Live for example) But if you wanna talk about computers you can join an audio forum on the net. Just my opinion. Greetings Jens. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 03:50:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i767lLj29969; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040806074655.66262.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: spamming the list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003301c47b85$de7d31b0$4f42fea9@gebaeude7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0J9PG.A.BTH.0dzEBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At this point should I restart the live looping debate to give Jens a taste of how off topic this list can get :) --- Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, > > I really enjoy this mailing list. But I think this > whole PC vs MAC thing is > off topic. > I joined the list cause I wanted to read opinions > about looping stuff, like > the Oberheim or other hardware gear. There is > looping software out there, > thats really important. (Live for example) > But if you wanna talk about computers you can join > an audio forum on the > net. > Just my opinion. > > > Greetings Jens. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 03:56:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i767sVL31520; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:54:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:54:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040806075413.35501.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: spamming the list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040806074655.66262.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh no please Squid no!;-)) L.a --- | SquidLoop | wrote: > At this point should I restart the live looping > debate > to give Jens a taste of how off topic this list can > get :) > > > --- Jens Wolters wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > I really enjoy this mailing list. But I think this > > whole PC vs MAC thing is > > off topic. > > I joined the list cause I wanted to read opinions > > about looping stuff, like > > the Oberheim or other hardware gear. There is > > looping software out there, > > thats really important. (Live for example) > > But if you wanna talk about computers you can join > > an audio forum on the > > net. > > Just my opinion. > > > > > > Greetings Jens. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 04:23:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i768Ko705241; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040806082013.58563.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: EDP+MPC1000-midi sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005101c47b79$743fe420$6401a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopheads, I just got the MPC1000 sampler and i am having fun syncing it to the EDP.What really cool is for example loading a conga loop and adding a trip hop drum loop to it and syncing it to an EDP guitar riff.Then when i turn the 1/2 speed the conga loop stays at 120bmp while the other at 1/2.But I want to speed up the drum loop for a drum n bass thing by pressing multiply-record and still have the conga groove to the drum loop,because if is not at 120bmp the conga groove gets kind of messy.Is there a way to this on the MPC? Anybody syncing these 2? cheers L.a --- Griff Peters wrote: > Hello all Loopers! > > This is my first post to the group. I checked the > archives, but I didn't > find quite what I'm looking for. > > I'm looking for a device which will listen to a > real-time audio source > (such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and > calculate midi sync info > to be sent out as master clock to my DAW > applications like Ableton Live > 4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ > stuff. I'll be doing > this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a > footswitch-controlled tap > tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis > quickly "in the zone". > Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is > done, it would be more > or less automatically reacting and listening to > subtle changes in tempo > during a live performance. > > For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it > (in tempo with the > band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but > then bring it back > in later while still being in sync with the band. I > do NOT want to be > following a click track or a metronome! I don't want > the drummer tied to > a click! I want the click/sync following to the > band! > > Any info would be much appreciated. > > I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 > > Thanks, > > Griff Peters > www.griffpeters.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 04:42:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i768dTs09699; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c47b90$a03d5e60$6402a8c0@ruelle> From: "ben" To: References: <005101c47b79$743fe420$6401a8c0@geetar> Subject: Re: real time audio to midi sync analysis Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:37:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 if-filter0: Y Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'm new to the list too and new to looping too. May I introduce myself in a few words? I'm currently playing bass guitar in a pop/rock band but this will change. Still 2 gigs to do and then I will start a new project involving live looping. Regarding looping tools, I just own currently a DD-6 (5sec), a boss phrase sampler sp303 and a pc running ambiloop (controlled by a midi FCB footpedalboard). I intend to do post-rock/shoegazing stuff by playing myself hypnotic bass/guitar/voice/synth loops. I don't know where to start yet, that's why I'm on this list ;-) I will surely start to buy a drum machine (programmed on the fly) and then ... a looping tool. The echoplex seems great but pricey, the new RC-20XL seems to adress a lot of complaints from the previous model (undo) but still no midi. I don't trust the "PC on stage solution", even if for the home use, ambiloop or live seems powerful. I'm interested by all advices. Is there FAQs somewhere? The ones on the site seems pretty outdated. Peter, regarding the question below, there exist some "beat extractor" like http://www.redsound.com/products/msync/index.htm which issue midi OUT and have a tap tempo (not a footswith). The problem that may arise is that even if the loop start in sync, you will need to adapt also the length of the loop to the new tempo. I think timestretching can be done quite OK by ABlive, so it might be a solution for you. Hope this helps, Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Griff Peters" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 AM Subject: real time audio to midi sync analysis > Hello all Loopers! > > This is my first post to the group. I checked the archives, but I didn't > find quite what I'm looking for. > > I'm looking for a device which will listen to a real-time audio source > (such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and calculate midi sync info > to be sent out as master clock to my DAW applications like Ableton Live > 4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ stuff. I'll be doing > this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a footswitch-controlled tap > tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis quickly "in the zone". > Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is done, it would be more > or less automatically reacting and listening to subtle changes in tempo > during a live performance. > > For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it (in tempo with the > band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but then bring it back > in later while still being in sync with the band. I do NOT want to be > following a click track or a metronome! I don't want the drummer tied to > a click! I want the click/sync following to the band! > > Any info would be much appreciated. > > I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 > > Thanks, > > Griff Peters > www.griffpeters.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps > réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m _____________________________________________________________________ Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 04:53:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i768oxW14226; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040806082013.58563.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040806082013.58563.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP+MPC1000-midi sync Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:50:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-06, at 10.20, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi loopheads, > I just got the MPC1000 sampler and i am having fun > syncing it to the EDP.What really cool is for example > loading a conga loop and adding a trip hop drum loop > to it and syncing it to an EDP guitar riff.Then when i > turn the 1/2 speed the conga loop stays at 120bmp > while the other at 1/2.But I want to speed up the drum > loop for a drum n bass thing by pressing > multiply-record and still have the conga groove to the > drum loop,because if is not at 120bmp the conga groove > gets kind of messy.Is there a way to this on the MPC? > Anybody syncing these 2? > cheers > L.a Well, since you have already managed to prevent the conga loop to go down to half the tempo, when the drum loop does so as an effect of you're EDP going into HaldfSpeed, I can't see why this should not work the other way around as well? I mean, if you start out the music with the EDP in HalfSpeed you will probably have the drumloop go into that Drum n Bass Thing when you take the EDP into NormalSpeed. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 05:05:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7694Df17883; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: real time audio to midi sync analysis Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003401c47b90$a03d5e60$6402a8c0@ruelle> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or use discontinued Electrix' Repeater? Popping up now and then on ebay... http://www.electrixpro.com/products/index.html Bernhard > > Peter, regarding the question below, there exist some "beat > extractor" like > http://www.redsound.com/products/msync/index.htm which issue midi OUT and > have a tap tempo (not a footswith). > The problem that may arise is that even if the loop start in > sync, you will > need to adapt also the length of the loop to the new tempo. I think > timestretching can be done quite OK by ABlive, so it might be a > solution for > you. > > Hope this helps, > > Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Griff Peters" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 AM > Subject: real time audio to midi sync analysis > > > > Hello all Loopers! > > > > This is my first post to the group. I checked the archives, but I didn't > > find quite what I'm looking for. > > > > I'm looking for a device which will listen to a real-time audio source > > (such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and calculate midi sync info > > to be sent out as master clock to my DAW applications like Ableton Live > > 4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ stuff. I'll be doing > > this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a footswitch-controlled tap > > tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis quickly "in the zone". > > Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is done, it would be more > > or less automatically reacting and listening to subtle changes in tempo > > during a live performance. > > > > For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it (in tempo with the > > band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but then bring it back > > in later while still being in sync with the band. I do NOT want to be > > following a click track or a metronome! I don't want the drummer tied to > > a click! I want the click/sync following to the band! > > > > Any info would be much appreciated. > > > > I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Griff Peters > > www.griffpeters.com > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps > > réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps > réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 05:26:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i769Ovt21193; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:24:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR7lyoxYtwGibVESfmFmPHkmxG9Vg== Message-Id: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's one-- Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 05:33:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i769Vch22835; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040806093021.89247.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP+MPC1000-midi sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9lV73D.A.ohF.z-0EBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but what if i want to get out of the 120BPM i don´t want it quite as fast going from 1/2 speed back to normal.If i set the MPC1000 to "one shot" instead "note on" it does it but it doesn´t loop;-( Anyway this is a great tip Per ! cheers L.a --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 2004-08-06, at 10.20, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi loopheads, > > I just got the MPC1000 sampler and i am having fun > > syncing it to the EDP.What really cool is for > example > > loading a conga loop and adding a trip hop drum > loop > > to it and syncing it to an EDP guitar riff.Then > when i > > turn the 1/2 speed the conga loop stays at 120bmp > > while the other at 1/2.But I want to speed up the > drum > > loop for a drum n bass thing by pressing > > multiply-record and still have the conga groove to > the > > drum loop,because if is not at 120bmp the conga > groove > > gets kind of messy.Is there a way to this on the > MPC? > > Anybody syncing these 2? > > cheers > > L.a > > Well, since you have already managed to prevent the > conga loop to go > down to half the tempo, when the drum loop does so > as an effect of > you're EDP going into HaldfSpeed, I can't see why > this should not work > the other way around as well? I mean, if you start > out the music with > the EDP in HalfSpeed you will probably have the > drumloop go into that > Drum n Bass Thing when you take the EDP into > NormalSpeed. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 05:34:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i769XNJ23016; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:33:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040806093308.89560.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:33:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The coffee has too much H2O Gary;-) cheers L.a --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > OK, here's one-- > Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > Gary > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 05:47:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i769jFM25633; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3FE309FE-E78D-11D8-B8F5-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:44:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <6aMcUD.A.tPG.TM1EBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 6, 2004, at 4:24 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? how about: Who's going to stop shopping at Borders now they don't pay musicians for in-store performances (read: gigs)? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 05:51:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i769mhl26445; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c47b9a$85860770$0407a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:48:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK, here's one-- > Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? Why? Only they can answer. How? Here are two examples: 1. No sense of humor and a litigious tendency: http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html Covered also at: http://dir.salon.com/business/feature/2000/06/01/starbuckssuit/index.html 2. Starbucks tried to charge paramedics for water while they were attempting to help victims on Sept. 11: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/40164_robert25.shtml Normally I give everyone three chances. In this case I made an exception - #2 almost counts for two items on its own. That said, one should wear a Consumer Whore t-shirt whenever possible, and into a Starbucks as many times as possible. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 06:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76A7KT31092; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040806100653.80797.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-blbfD.A.ekH.Dh1EBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > OK, here's one-- > Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > Gary 1) no one appreciates a good "Sanka" joke any more 2) chicks no longer impressed by my Folger's Crystals 3) keeps Microsoft employees awake at their desks John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 09:15:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76DCnG09348; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.27f993a3.2e44dd81@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:11:29 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1091797888" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: <0um1-D.A.3NC.IO4EBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1091797888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------------------------------1091797888 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -------------------------------1091797888-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 09:32:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76DVPs14449; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:31:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113883F.2030904@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:31:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #385 for August 5, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040805.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #385 August 5, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight was "About a Tree" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Force Majeure" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Dom F. Scab - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Cloudburst Flight Force Majeure (Virgin) Thought Guild Tetrahedral Anomalies [context] (Harmonic Resonance) Free System Projekt and Pre-flight Passenger 4 (Quantum) Dweller at the Threshold Harald Grosskopf Minimal Boogie Oceanheart (Groove) Neuronium Elementum Hydro (Valley Entertainment) Dom F. Scab Birth of a Tree About a Tree (Groove) 12:00 am Dom F. Scab Urban Graffiti About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Blurred Dusk About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Technical Shapes About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Incineration Works About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Micro Life Structure About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Old Prophecy About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Abandoned Places About a Tree (Groove) Dom F. Scab Eternal Tree About a Tree (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Innerseed" on the Free Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Atem" by Tangerine Dream on Ohr Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 10:14:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76ECF624050; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c47bbf$4daf2370$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20040803234952.43703.qmail@web52302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:11:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com go Johnny go, go ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Begood" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:49 AM Subject: unsubscribe > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 10:36:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76EYIk29697; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <411396AE.3090706@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:33:18 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: real time audio to midi sync analysis References: <005101c47b79$743fe420$6401a8c0@geetar> <003401c47b90$a03d5e60$6402a8c0@ruelle> In-Reply-To: <003401c47b90$a03d5e60$6402a8c0@ruelle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d4561a748283efe757a1f29ce7fce8ca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.233.85 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a guy who is on this list sometimes named Michael Stauffer who has developed a tempo-sensing MIDI clock-sending software. When he demo-ed it for me it was only able to use MIDI input to sense the time from, but he said they were working on getting it to be able to use audio, too. Their website is: http://circular-logic.com/ Good luck. -J ben wrote: >Hello, > >I'm new to the list too and new to looping too. May I introduce myself in a >few words? >I'm currently playing bass guitar in a pop/rock band but this will change. >Still 2 gigs to do and then I will start a new project involving live >looping. >Regarding looping tools, I just own currently a DD-6 (5sec), a boss phrase >sampler sp303 and a pc running ambiloop (controlled by a midi FCB >footpedalboard). >I intend to do post-rock/shoegazing stuff by playing myself hypnotic >bass/guitar/voice/synth loops. >I don't know where to start yet, that's why I'm on this list ;-) >I will surely start to buy a drum machine (programmed on the fly) and then >... a looping tool. >The echoplex seems great but pricey, the new RC-20XL seems to adress a lot >of complaints from the previous model (undo) but still no midi. >I don't trust the "PC on stage solution", even if for the home use, ambiloop >or live seems powerful. >I'm interested by all advices. Is there FAQs somewhere? The ones on the site >seems pretty outdated. > >Peter, regarding the question below, there exist some "beat extractor" like >http://www.redsound.com/products/msync/index.htm which issue midi OUT and >have a tap tempo (not a footswith). >The problem that may arise is that even if the loop start in sync, you will >need to adapt also the length of the loop to the new tempo. I think >timestretching can be done quite OK by ABlive, so it might be a solution for >you. > >Hope this helps, > >Ben > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Griff Peters" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 AM >Subject: real time audio to midi sync analysis > > > > >>Hello all Loopers! >> >>This is my first post to the group. I checked the archives, but I didn't >>find quite what I'm looking for. >> >>I'm looking for a device which will listen to a real-time audio source >>(such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and calculate midi sync info >>to be sent out as master clock to my DAW applications like Ableton Live >>4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ stuff. I'll be doing >>this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a footswitch-controlled tap >>tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis quickly "in the zone". >>Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is done, it would be more >>or less automatically reacting and listening to subtle changes in tempo >>during a live performance. >> >>For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it (in tempo with the >>band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but then bring it back >>in later while still being in sync with the band. I do NOT want to be >>following a click track or a metronome! I don't want the drummer tied to >>a click! I want the click/sync following to the band! >> >>Any info would be much appreciated. >> >>I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 >> >>Thanks, >> >>Griff Peters >>www.griffpeters.com >> >> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >>réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 10:59:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76EwND01978; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:58:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005d01c47b9a$85860770$0407a8c0@stephen> References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <005d01c47b9a$85860770$0407a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FAEBC78-E7B9-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:02:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Starbucks is a big company. Obviously the person who wrote the article about the 9/11 incident has it out for Starbucks. DO you really think if Starbucks management knew what it's employee did they'd condone it? Of course not, for negative publicity alone. Some dorky employee did this. Big surprise they're upper management is hard to get to. All you people who love PCs, try calling Bill Gates when your copy of Word isn't working. Anyway, I have no real love for big companies or Starbucks. However, they employed an ex girlfriend at a time she really needed a job and gave her health insurance and a bit more dollars per hour than most service industry jobs. It's not the best coffee in the world, but it's decent, especially when on the road traveling through the midwest where coffee isn't widely understood. I'm happy they opened up a second near my house, as the "mom and pop" coffee place (JavaRama) has shitty coffee. Do I go to Starbucks instead? No, my wife roasts our own coffee, but we will go to the Peets (a smaller Starbucks like CA chain) that took Starbuck's lead and opened a cafe across the street from them. I am surprised they won the logo lawsuit. Doesn't that fall under parody? Blame our conservative country's anti free speech judicial system. What can you expect from the decedents of puritans? Mark On Aug 6, 2004, at 2:48 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: >> OK, here's one-- >> Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > > Why? Only they can answer. How? > > Here are two examples: > > 1. No sense of humor and a litigious tendency: > http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html > > Covered also at: > http://dir.salon.com/business/feature/2000/06/01/starbuckssuit/ > index.html > > 2. Starbucks tried to charge paramedics for water while they were > attempting > to help victims on Sept. 11: > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/40164_robert25.shtml > > Normally I give everyone three chances. In this case I made an > exception - > #2 almost counts for two items on its own. > > That said, one should wear a Consumer Whore t-shirt whenever possible, > and > into a Starbucks as many times as possible. > > Stephen Goodman > * > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:39:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Fb1511332; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41132CF4.1040506@iinet.net.au> References: <000801c47a60$fb0897f0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <41132CF4.1040506@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:30:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: yadda, yadda, yadda Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i76FaPh11203 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:02 PM +0800 8/6/04, mjnoble wrote: >>OhŠwould that be like the incessant "are you >>sure you want to SHUT DOWN your computer?" that >>is part of the Macintosh's OSX? >there is a shortcut to bypass this window. just >use: command+option+control+eject (desktops) or >command+option+control+power (laptops). don't >worry, it will give you a chance to save any >unsaved documents. It's also relatively easy to hit Return or Enter right after selecting Shut Down or Restart, since these options are in focus in the dialog. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:41:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76FdFG11817; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:39:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:39:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113A535.2030208@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:35:17 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <005d01c47b9a$85860770$0407a8c0@stephen> <9FAEBC78-E7B9-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <9FAEBC78-E7B9-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.starbucked.com/ Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:48:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Fkqk13821; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:37:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out" the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:51:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76FonP14505; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040806074655.66262.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040806074655.66262.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C856C3C-E7C0-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: spamming the list Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:50:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I gather there are going to be Live Looping Loyalty Oaths at the festivals in the future. ;-) Mark On Aug 6, 2004, at 12:46 AM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > At this point should I restart the live looping debate > to give Jens a taste of how off topic this list can > get :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Fpn714718; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:51:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4113A535.2030208@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR7y6DTHKtmk2+wSE2UhW5JSB3A8wAASeuA Message-ID: <1091807487.16697@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is easy to be snooty and go to your local coffee chain instead of Starbucks if you are in a market where you have that choice. Places like San Diego, Seattle, Dallas, NY, and all metropolitans and suburbs etc etc Where I live the only choice we have is some mom and pop wannabe coffee shops. Their coffee is average. Their lattes are merely syrup flavored warm milk. At this point I would kill for a Starbucks. If I lived in Seattle again and had the opportunity to choose Coffee Messiah, or some other locals I definitely would. But where I live a Starbucks would be most welcome. DM -----Original Message----- From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! http://www.starbucked.com/ Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:58:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76FtgK15822; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9FAEBC78-E7B9-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <005d01c47b9a$85860770$0407a8c0@stephen> <9FAEBC78-E7B9-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <091DC77A-E7C1-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:55:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From a labor standpoint, I think Peets is considered more evil than Starbucks. Or it was for a while. Mark On Aug 6, 2004, at 8:02 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > No, my wife roasts our own coffee, but we will go to the Peets (a > smaller Starbucks like CA chain) that took Starbuck's lead and opened > a cafe across the street from them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 11:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76FuNg16166; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:56:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:55:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <005d01c47b9a$85860770$0407a8c0@stephen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR7mpDvbZ9x0IUsSl2OAy3/K51QrgAMrbHg Message-ID: <1091807742.4360@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think you can be free of many criticisms when you get as large as they are. On the other hand, in my opinion they have done some good things: 1. Made coffee shops destination spots again. Before the 90's coffee shops were seriously out of vogue in the states. 2. They have provided money and training to growers in South America and other lands to increase production of GOURMET coffee beans. 3. They upped the standards other coffee shops have to attain to if they want to truly serve a good cup of coffee. There are better places than Starbucks, but across the board Starbucks is decent coffee.) 4. In my experience have been great with local musicians and supporting local music. 5. Have provided several of my friends with a good job with benefits while they were going to school. I have more, but I'll stop there for now. DM -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! > OK, here's one-- > Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? Why? Only they can answer. How? Here are two examples: 1. No sense of humor and a litigious tendency: http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html Covered also at: http://dir.salon.com/business/feature/2000/06/01/starbuckssuit/index.html 2. Starbucks tried to charge paramedics for water while they were attempting to help victims on Sept. 11: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/40164_robert25.shtml Normally I give everyone three chances. In this case I made an exception - #2 almost counts for two items on its own. That said, one should wear a Consumer Whore t-shirt whenever possible, and into a Starbucks as many times as possible. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:02:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Fxwd18437; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:59:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:59:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR7zKZ9WyC8+VatRB6MnICOv5eQOAAAUgJQ Message-ID: <1091807965.13525@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop gives a damn. That sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee shop's part. Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops (Starbucks, Tully's, Seattle's Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no problem. While a shop like Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil as part of their marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with making a buck selling coffee because they are passionate about their coffee. Passion sells in anything you do. You all should know this as musicians. If you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be passionate about it. If you are, even in the event of a tie between Starbucks and the mom and pop, most customers will spend the money in their hometown store. DM -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out" the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:07:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76G4Va20175; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:04:14 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_2N811I79RN0000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_2N811I79RN0000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D I'm not sure why we are talking about this, but I'd like to chine in a correction.=0D Unlike fast food chains, Sbux does not experience store to store leaching due to =0D area saturation. =0D =0D It seems most people are only willing to walk a few block for coffee. Thu= s, stores within blocks of each other tend to have unique clients. This is a trend that market trackers have commented on and marveled at for years. =0D =0D Also, back to wish you can hate them but they are so PC, Startbucks, I believe....don't have facts on this, has a program to help support the mo= m and pop coffee shop. I have heard this where all those rumors come from. = I forget the details associated with the rumor. =0D =0D They also help support local grower and their environment. They are not j= ust taking coffee for todays profit. They insuring that growers stay around a= nd the land is managed well. =0D =0D There is no reason to love big buisness. In the world of big buisness, Starbucks is the lesser. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:=0D >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how?=0D =0D For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening=0D stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee=0D shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point=0D where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself=0D still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out"=0D the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers.=0D --=0D =0D ______________________________________________________________=0D Richard Zvonar, PhD=0D (818) 788-2202=0D http://www.zvonar.com=0D http://RZCybernetics.com=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_2N811I79RN0000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I'm not sure why we are talking about this, but I'd like to chine in= a correction.
Unlike fast food chains, Sbux does not experience store to store lea= ching due to
area saturation.
 
It seems most people are only willing to walk a few block for coffee= =2E Thus, stores within blocks of each other tend to have unique clients.= This is a trend that market trackers have commented on and marveled at f= or years.
 
Also, back to wish you can hate them but they are so PC, Startbucks,= I believe....don't have facts on this, has a program to help support the= mom and pop coffee shop. I have heard this where all those rumors come f= rom. I forget the details associated with the rumor.
 
They also help support local grower and their environment. They are = not just taking coffee for todays profit. They insuring that gr= owers stay around and the land is managed well.
 
There is no reason to love big buisness. In the world of big buisnes= s, Starbucks is the lesser.
 
 
 
 
At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:
>Why is Starbucks evil?  Or rather, how?
 
For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of openin= g
stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee<= /DIV>
shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point=
where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself
still see snet profit.. This can have the  effect of "star= ving out"
the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers.
--
 
______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
--------------Boundary-00=_2N811I79RN0000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:11:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76G9Iq21392; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:09:09 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9V81HOO9RN0000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <1091807965.13525@mx64a.mysite4now.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_9V81HOO9RN0000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =2E..and as all coffee shop addicts know, sbux is a cookie cutter chain. = They offer one thing well. The mom and pop offer unique environments. No chain can touch that. =0D =0D =0D =0D That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop gives a damn. That=0D sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee shop's part.=0D =0D Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops (Starbucks, Tully's, Seattle= 's=0D Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no problem. While a shop lik= e=0D Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil as part of their=0D marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with making a buck selling=0D coffee because they are passionate about their coffee.=0D =0D Passion sells in anything you do. You all should know this as musicians. = If=0D you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be passionate about it. = If=0D you are, even in the event of a tie between Starbucks and the mom and pop= ,=0D most customers will spend the money in their hometown store.=0D =0D DM=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]=0D Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!=0D =0D At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:=0D >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how?=0D =0D For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening=0D stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee=0D shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point=0D where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself=0D still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out"=0D the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers.=0D --=0D =0D ______________________________________________________________=0D Richard Zvonar, PhD=0D (818) 788-2202=0D http://www.zvonar.com=0D http://RZCybernetics.com=0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_9V81HOO9RN0000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...and as all coffee shop addicts know, sbux is a cookie cut= ter chain. They offer one thing well. The mom and pop offer unique enviro= nments. No chain can touch that.
 
 
 
That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop gives a damn. T= hat
sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee shop's part.
 
Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops (Starbucks, Tully's, Se= attle's
Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no problem. While a sho= p like
Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil as part of their<= /DIV>
marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with making a buck sel= ling
coffee because they are passionate about their coffee.
 
Passion sells in anything you do. You all should know this as musici= ans. If
you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be passionate about= it. If
you are, even in the event of a tie between Starbucks and the mom an= d pop,
most customers will spend the money in their hometown store.
 
DM
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zv= onar@zvonar.com]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!
 
At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:
>Why is Starbucks evil?  Or rather, how?
 
For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of openin= g
stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee<= /DIV>
shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point=
where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself
still see snet profit.. This can have the  effect of "star= ving out"
the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers.
--
 
______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
--------------Boundary-00=_9V81HOO9RN0000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:15:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76GD0d22862; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:12:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_Y09179WAMY5000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_Y09179WAMY5000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One last comment, sbux is trading in the mid 40's. historically they spli= t when they are stable in the 40's. I expect a split announcment in the nex= t Q if the price holds. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Sony Felberg=0D Date: 08/06/04 09:09:35=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com=0D Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!=0D =0D =2E..and as all coffee shop addicts know, sbux is a cookie cutter chain. = They offer one thing well. The mom and pop offer unique environments. No chain can touch that. =0D =0D =0D =0D That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop gives a damn. That=0D sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee shop's part.=0D =0D Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops (Starbucks, Tully's, Seattle= 's=0D Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no problem. While a shop lik= e=0D Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil as part of their=0D marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with making a buck selling=0D coffee because they are passionate about their coffee.=0D =0D Passion sells in anything you do. You all should know this as musicians. = If=0D you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be passionate about it. = If=0D you are, even in the event of a tie between Starbucks and the mom and pop= ,=0D most customers will spend the money in their hometown store.=0D =0D DM=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]=0D Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!=0D =0D At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:=0D >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how?=0D =0D For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening=0D stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee=0D shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point=0D where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself=0D still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out"=0D the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers.=0D --=0D =0D ______________________________________________________________=0D Richard Zvonar, PhD=0D (818) 788-2202=0D http://www.zvonar.com=0D http://RZCybernetics.com=0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_Y09179WAMY5000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One last comment, sbux is trading in the mid 40's. historically they= split when they are stable in the 40's. I expect a split announcment in = the next Q if the price holds.  
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/06/04 09:= 09:35
Subject: RE: Off T= opic? I'll give you Off Topic!!
 
...and as all coffee shop addicts know, sbux is a cookie cut= ter chain. They offer one thing well. The mom and pop offer unique enviro= nments. No chain can touch that.
 
 
 
That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop gives a damn. T= hat
sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee shop's part.
 
Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops (Starbucks, Tully's, Se= attle's
Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no problem. While a sho= p like
Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil as part of their<= /DIV>
marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with making a buck sel= ling
coffee because they are passionate about their coffee.
 
Passion sells in anything you do. You all should know this as musici= ans. If
you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be passionate about= it. If
you are, even in the event of a tie between Starbucks and the mom an= d pop,
most customers will spend the money in their hometown store.
 
DM
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zv= onar@zvonar.com]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!
 
At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote:
>Why is Starbucks evil?  Or rather, how?
 
For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of openin= g
stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee<= /DIV>
shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point=
where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself
still see snet profit.. This can have the  effect of "star= ving out"
the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers.
--
 
______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
--------------Boundary-00=_Y09179WAMY5000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:33:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76GVmH27448; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1EF0EE26-E744-11D8-AFA0-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: My Nusic On the Net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:01:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice, it has a great build and the juxtaposition of the murky background with the crisp guitar is nice. Good work. Mark On Aug 5, 2004, at 12:21 PM, lol c wrote: > Hi there one and all > > I have been rather absent of late due to a random piece of sneakwhare > on my computer that pops up a search page instead of hotmail everytime > I load it (as if Im going ot say oh yer I love using stuff Ive been > forced to use). > > well anyways in the mean time i have been quite busy putting a few of > my songs on the net so you guys can hear what I have been doing with > all the ideas and info I get from this forum. > > all the usual provisos apply, these songs are created live wth no > after the fact edits or overdubs bar fades, they are spontanious > improvs s have a fair few music mistakes in them and stuff. > > just thought you might like to cheack out what im doing. > > Im also thinking of releasing a more formal C.D. on CD baby soon so > let me know if you want any advanced copies!!!!! > heres the link > > http://music.download.com/therealblackface > > enjoy, Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:37:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76GZDZ28229; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c47bd3$52fb8df0$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: References: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:35:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C47BB1.CBB8F2E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C47BB1.CBB8F2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fun fact: Starbucks grows at a rate of 3.5 new stores a day. http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/05/Business/Starbucks__caffeinate.shtml ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C47BB1.CBB8F2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fun fact:
 
Starbucks grows at a rate of 3.5 new stores a=20 day.
 
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/05/Business/Starbucks__caffeinate.s= html
------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C47BB1.CBB8F2E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 12:47:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76GjJg30995; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> References: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:37:44 -0700 To: "Sony Felberg" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1120311807==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1120311807==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:04 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote: > >Unlike fast food chains, Sbux does not experience store to store >leaching due to >area saturation. > >It seems most people are only willing to walk a few block for coffee. Walk? What's that? (I'm in LA). >Thus, stores within blocks of each other tend to have unique >clients. This is a trend that market trackers have commented on and >marveled at for years. I based my comments on a discussion of Starbuck's in Naomi Klein's "No Logo," a generally well-researched book. I'll refer you to pages 135-139 in the chapter Brand Bombing, the section titled "Clustering: The Starbucks Model." Klein quotes from the Starbucks' 1995 annual report: "As part of its expansion strategy of clustering stores in existing markets, Starbucks has experienced a certain level of cannibalization of existing stores by new stores as the store concentration has increased, but management believes such cannibalization has been justified by the incremental sales and return on new store investment." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1120311807==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!
At 9:04 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote:
 
Unlike fast food chains, Sbux does not experience store to store leaching due to
area saturation.
 
It seems most people are only willing to walk a few block for coffee.

Walk? What's that? (I'm in LA).

Thus, stores within blocks of each other tend to have unique clients. This is a trend that market trackers have commented on and marveled at for years.

I based my comments on a discussion of Starbuck's in Naomi Klein's "No Logo," a generally well-researched book. I'll refer you to pages 135-139 in the chapter Brand Bombing, the section titled "Clustering: The Starbucks Model." Klein quotes from the Starbucks' 1995 annual report:

"As part of its expansion strategy of clustering stores in existing markets, Starbucks has experienced a certain level of cannibalization of existing stores by new stores as the store concentration has increased, but management believes such cannibalization has been justified by the incremental sales and return on new store investment."


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______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1120311807==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:00:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76GvQo02998; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113B865.1000301@biink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:57:09 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <19b.27f993a3.2e44dd81@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19b.27f993a3.2e44dd81@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com been a while since we had one of these! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:12:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76HAfC09287; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> References: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:09:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't even drink coffee, you bunch of addicts...:P Why not talk about something truly evil, like Clear Channel? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76HFIV11642; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4113BC91.0000A2.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:14:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_XWB1D1KAMY5000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_XWB1D1KAMY5000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now they are evil bush loves....=0D =0D =0D =0D I don't even drink coffee, you bunch of addicts...:P=0D =0D Why not talk about something truly evil, like Clear Channel? ;)=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_XWB1D1KAMY5000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now they are evil bush loves....
 
 
 
I don't even drink coffee, you bunch of addicts...:P
 
Why not talk about something truly evil, like Clear Channel? ;)
 
--------------Boundary-00=_XWB1D1KAMY5000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:18:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76HGhZ12313; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113BCEF.5020201@biink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:16:31 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! References: <20040806092431.STFW27834.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > > > For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening > stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee > shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point > where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself still > see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out" the > local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers. Sort like Guitar Center. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:21:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76HINR12669; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <853C79DF-E7CC-11D8-8533-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:17:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <4M7StB.A.-ED._07EBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True, they are amazingly evil and actually effect us as performers on some level. I know Gary likes to perform at Starbucks, but how many of us rely on Starbucks for a regular gig? Also, Boarders paying musicians? I played there several times and was never offered a cent. Mark On Aug 6, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > I don't even drink coffee, you bunch of addicts...:P > > Why not talk about something truly evil, like Clear Channel? ;) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:21:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76HI8812647; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113BD3E.5000701@biink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:17:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! References: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > I don't even drink coffee, you bunch of addicts...:P > > Why not talk about something truly evil, like Clear Channel? ;) > > I thought they only owned media, last time I was at the mall I found out they own that too. And that is the last time I'll go to that mall. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:34:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76HW3U15116; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: real time audio to midi sync analysis Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:34:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <411396AE.3090706@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.162.78.156] at Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <9YDLNB.A.rrD.4B8EBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, yes, it's true, my software InTime only follows MIDI performances at this point. But with some acoustic instrument, most notably drums, you can use cheap midi triggers or even audio-to-midi software to drive InTime. There's details for acoustic drum setup on our site: http://www.circular-logic.com/docs/Drummer_setup_tips.html. Cheers, Michael >There is a guy who is on this list sometimes named Michael Stauffer who >has developed a tempo-sensing MIDI clock-sending software. When he >demo-ed it for me it was only able to use MIDI input to sense the time >from, but he said they were working on getting it to be able to use >audio, too. > >Their website is: http://circular-logic.com/ > >Good luck. > >-J > > > >ben wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I'm new to the list too and new to looping too. May I >introduce myself in a >>few words? >>I'm currently playing bass guitar in a pop/rock band but this >will change. >>Still 2 gigs to do and then I will start a new project involving live >>looping. >>Regarding looping tools, I just own currently a DD-6 (5sec), a >boss phrase >>sampler sp303 and a pc running ambiloop (controlled by a midi FCB >>footpedalboard). >>I intend to do post-rock/shoegazing stuff by playing myself hypnotic >>bass/guitar/voice/synth loops. >>I don't know where to start yet, that's why I'm on this list ;-) >>I will surely start to buy a drum machine (programmed on the >fly) and then >>... a looping tool. >>The echoplex seems great but pricey, the new RC-20XL seems to >adress a lot >>of complaints from the previous model (undo) but still no midi. >>I don't trust the "PC on stage solution", even if for the home >use, ambiloop >>or live seems powerful. >>I'm interested by all advices. Is there FAQs somewhere? The >ones on the site >>seems pretty outdated. >> >>Peter, regarding the question below, there exist some "beat >extractor" like >>http://www.redsound.com/products/msync/index.htm which issue >midi OUT and >>have a tap tempo (not a footswith). >>The problem that may arise is that even if the loop start in >sync, you will >>need to adapt also the length of the loop to the new tempo. I think >>timestretching can be done quite OK by ABlive, so it might be >a solution for >>you. >> >>Hope this helps, >> >>Ben >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Griff Peters" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 AM >>Subject: real time audio to midi sync analysis >> >> >> >> >>>Hello all Loopers! >>> >>>This is my first post to the group. I checked the archives, >but I didn't >>>find quite what I'm looking for. >>> >>>I'm looking for a device which will listen to a real-time audio source >>>(such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and calculate >midi sync info >>>to be sent out as master clock to my DAW applications like >Ableton Live >>>4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ stuff. I'll be doing >>>this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a >footswitch-controlled tap >>>tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis quickly "in the zone". >>>Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is done, it >would be more >>>or less automatically reacting and listening to subtle >changes in tempo >>>during a live performance. >>> >>>For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it (in >tempo with the >>>band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but then bring it back >>>in later while still being in sync with the band. I do NOT want to be >>>following a click track or a metronome! I don't want the >drummer tied to >>>a click! I want the click/sync following to the band! >>> >>>Any info would be much appreciated. >>> >>>I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Griff Peters >>>www.griffpeters.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_____________________________________________________________________ >>>Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >>>réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m >>> >>> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >>réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 13:58:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Hv5O18927; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:57:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801c47bde$b8f97990$6401a8c0@Tower1> From: "Jim Palmer" To: References: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:56:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2149 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where's kim? you guys are gonna be in trouble when dad gets home.... seriously, though, maybe we should make like usenet and branch a loopersdelight-ot list for this kind of shite? we've lost some members and some have reduced their activity over this kind of thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 14:03:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76I0wl21209; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113C74E.3040509@biink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:00:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! References: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <00b801c47bde$b8f97990$6401a8c0@Tower1> In-Reply-To: <00b801c47bde$b8f97990$6401a8c0@Tower1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Palmer wrote: > where's kim? > you guys are gonna be in trouble when dad gets home.... > > seriously, though, maybe we should make like usenet and > branch a loopersdelight-ot list for this kind of shite? > we've lost some members and some have reduced their > activity over this kind of thing. But let's have a real long discussion about it here first! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 14:18:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76IFLq23928; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:14:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR72frbt0r6NJ/DSaCNAfrsqKO8hgABtn+w In-Reply-To: <853C79DF-E7CC-11D8-8533-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <20040806181446.HXOL18674.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark S wrote: True, they are amazingly evil and actually effect us as performers on some level. I know Gary likes to perform at Starbucks, but how many of us rely on Starbucks for a regular gig? Also, Boarders paying musicians? I played there several times and was never offered a cent. ---->I have never played IN a Starbuck, but there's one near me that I go to infrequently to practice looping and shoegaze. I always get a cup of house blend in a big ceramic mug, and no one has ever asked me to stop, but I also never make any money--I think it's avoiding eye contact that keeps me unmolested/underpaid. Gary Thanks to all for your replies! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 14:25:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76IKb824838; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: real time audio to midi sync analysis Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c47be1$fc2f8fd0$0401000a@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005101c47b79$743fe420$6401a8c0@geetar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds great. LMK what you find out, and how well it works. I know that redsound makes something, or 2 somethings, which purport to do this: http://www.redsound.com/djindex.htm the microsync and the microbpm Theres also some somftware for exactly that purpose I saw advertised in EM or something and I can't remember the name of it. -- Sarth > -----Original Message----- > From: Griff Peters [mailto:griff@griffpeters.com] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:52 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: real time audio to midi sync analysis > > Hello all Loopers! > > This is my first post to the group. I checked the archives, but I didn't > find quite what I'm looking for. > > I'm looking for a device which will listen to a real-time audio source > (such as a drum microphone or drum trigger) and calculate midi sync info > to be sent out as master clock to my DAW applications like Ableton Live > 4 or Logic pro 6. I'm not doing dance music or DJ stuff. I'll be doing > this live with a band onstage. I'd also like a footswitch-controlled tap > tempo function to quickly get the beat analysis quickly "in the zone". > Hopefully, once the initial beat sync analysis is done, it would be more > or less automatically reacting and listening to subtle changes in tempo > during a live performance. > > For example, I'd like to play a guitar riff, loop it (in tempo with the > band), then mute the loop when I'm tired of it, but then bring it back > in later while still being in sync with the band. I do NOT want to be > following a click track or a metronome! I don't want the drummer tied to > a click! I want the click/sync following to the band! > > Any info would be much appreciated. > > I use a powerbook with mac OS10.3 > > Thanks, > > Griff Peters > www.griffpeters.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 14:35:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76ITD826675; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113CDE2.10006@iinet.net.au> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:28:50 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! References: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <00b801c47bde$b8f97990$6401a8c0@Tower1> <4113C74E.3040509@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <4113C74E.3040509@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but dad, we were just thinking outside the loop... David Beardsley wrote: > Jim Palmer wrote: > >> where's kim? >> you guys are gonna be in trouble when dad gets home.... >> >> seriously, though, maybe we should make like usenet and >> branch a loopersdelight-ot list for this kind of shite? >> we've lost some members and some have reduced their >> activity over this kind of thing. > > > But let's have a real long discussion about it here first! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 14:37:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76IVFB26932; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4113CE64.0000B1.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:31:00 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_OFF1AGABH89000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_OFF1AGABH89000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been an investor since 96ish and have seen the opposite reported i= n Q ly reports. =0D =0D PS: Being from LA, I thought you'd see the need for a store on every corn= er. =2Eseeing as there are these 'don't walk on the sidewalk' rules:). My fri= ends from LA wont even go two blocks at the beach without crying for a car. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 08/06/04 09:45:10=0D To: Sony Felberg; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!!=0D =0D At 9:04 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote:=0D =0D Unlike fast food chains, Sbux does not experience store to store leaching due to=0D area saturation.=0D =0D It seems most people are only willing to walk a few block for coffee.=0D =0D Walk? What's that? (I'm in LA).=0D =0D =0D Thus, stores within blocks of each other tend to have unique clients. Thi= s is a trend that market trackers have commented on and marveled at for yea= rs.=0D =0D =0D I based my comments on a discussion of Starbuck's in Naomi Klein's "No Lo= go, a generally well-researched book. I'll refer you to pages 135-139 in the chapter Brand Bombing, the section titled "Clustering: The Starbucks Mode= l." Klein quotes from the Starbucks' 1995 annual report:=0D =0D =0D "As part of its expansion strategy of clustering stores in existing marke= ts, Starbucks has experienced a certain level of cannibalization of existing stores by new stores as the store concentration has increased, but management believes such cannibalization has been justified by the incremental sales and return on new store investment."=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -- =0D =0D =0D ______________________________________________________________=0D Richard Zvonar, PhD =0D (818) 788-2202 =0D http://www.zvonar.com=0D http://RZCybernetics.com=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_OFF1AGABH89000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been an investor since 96ish and have seen the opposite repor= ted in Q'ly reports.  
 
PS: Being from LA, I thought you'd see the need for a store on every= corner...seeing as there are these 'don't walk on the sidewalk' rules:).= My friends from LA wont even go two blocks at the beach without crying f= or a car.
 
 
 
 
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Date: 08/06/04 09:= 45:10
Subject: Re: Off T= opic? I'll give you Off Topic!!
 
At 9:04 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote:
 
Unlike fast food chains, Sbux does not experience= store to store leaching due to
area saturation.
 
It seems most people are only willing to walk a f= ew block for coffee.

Walk? What's that? (I'm in LA).

Thus, stores within blocks of each other tend to = have unique clients. This is a trend that market trackers have commented = on and marveled at for years.

I based my comments on a discussion of Starbuck's in Naomi Klein's "= No Logo," a generally well-researched book. I'll refer you to pages 135-1= 39 in the chapter Brand Bombing, the section titled "Clustering: The Star= bucks Model." Klein quotes from the Starbucks' 1995 annual report:

"As part of its expansion strategy of clustering stores in existing = markets, Starbucks has experienced a certain level of cannibalization of = existing stores by new stores as the store concentration has increased, b= ut management believes such cannibalization has been justified by the inc= remental sales and return on new store investment."


--=20

______________________________________________________________Richard Zvonar, PhD       =
(818) 788-2202      &n= bsp;          = ;                
http://www.zvona= r.com
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--------------Boundary-00=_OFF1AGABH89000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 14:48:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76IiJl29719; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4113D16E.3000200@biink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:43:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! References: <4113ABFE.000096.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <00b801c47bde$b8f97990$6401a8c0@Tower1> <4113C74E.3040509@biink.com> <4113CDE2.10006@iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4113CDE2.10006@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which is perfectly OK by me. I'm on a zillion lists, can't read 'em all. Gotta bunch of loopers, can't think of anything to say about 'em. mjnoble wrote: > but dad, we were just thinking outside the loop... > > > > David Beardsley wrote: > >> Jim Palmer wrote: >> >>> where's kim? >>> you guys are gonna be in trouble when dad gets home.... >>> >>> seriously, though, maybe we should make like usenet and >>> branch a loopersdelight-ot list for this kind of shite? >>> we've lost some members and some have reduced their >>> activity over this kind of thing. >> >> >> >> But let's have a real long discussion about it here first! >> >> >> > > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 15:02:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Iux832318; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <853C79DF-E7CC-11D8-8533-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Thread-Index: AcR72ZDCLp8UPniZQRqlHsSfTrHH0QADQxDw Message-Id: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net auth:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did regular looping gigs at Borders (3 in the Tampa area, 1 in Orlando) and got paid for years..later they went to gift certificates- for a few years, all my Christmas gifts were bought from them....I did Borders grand openings up the East Coast too, and they paid as well. I performed in Atlantic City, right next to a Tony Bennett book signing..he had goons all around him. Since Borders stopped paying anything, I haven't had any reason to go. They did offer, however, the space if I would like to play for free. Nice. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > True, they are amazingly evil and actually effect us as > performers on some level. I know Gary likes to perform at > Starbucks, but how many of us rely on Starbucks for a regular > gig? Also, Boarders paying musicians? I played there > several times and was never offered a cent. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 15:02:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76IpWR31203; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:51:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C47BC4.DB004150" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <00c401c47bd3$52fb8df0$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Thread-Index: AcR73JloEBOBDZ8HT+uoYpsyBtVwAwACSBvA Message-Id: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net auth:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C47BC4.DB004150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this article is from my neck of the woods. We just got a new one, about a mile away, the first one in this county. The competition is a mom/pop place where they blast Christian pop music, and coffee is served by 16 year olds who know nothing about what they sell (the owners are never there). Their coffee is wildly inconsistant too, which is bad when you plunk down $4.50 and it tastes like it was strained through socks. Guess where I go now. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com Fun fact: Starbucks grows at a rate of 3.5 new stores a day. http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/05/Business/Starbucks__caffeinate.shtml ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C47BC4.DB004150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, this=20 article is from my neck of the woods. We just got a new one, about a = mile away,=20 the first one in this county. The competition is a mom/pop place where = they=20 blast Christian pop music, and coffee is served by 16 year olds who know = nothing=20 about what they sell (the owners are never there). Their coffee is = wildly=20 inconsistant too, which is bad when you plunk down $4.50 and it tastes = like it=20 was strained through socks. Guess where I go = now. 
 

Dave Eichenberger=20

http://www.hazardfactor.com =

 

  =  
Fun fact:
 
Starbucks grows at a rate of 3.5 new stores a=20 day.
 
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/05/Business/Starbucks__caffeinate.s= html
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C47BC4.DB004150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 15:05:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76IocM30969; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <18586125.1091818215408.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:50:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i76IoGh30792 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I play regularly at several Starbucks in my area, and they're always enjoyable cafe gigs from a gigging standpoint, and I'm happy to play any that I find that are willing to book me. Only the "flagship" SB stores have music (>100 seating capacity), so there's sufficient distance between you and the noisy machines. There's always people there, and in my experience they tend to tip and clap on fairly regular basis. I've found them easy and reliable in their booking (usually handled by a manager and they're always easy to reach on the phone), and the staff is always more than willing to help set up the performance area, help move gear around, and happy to have a break from the store music CDs. There's always parking and almost always wi-fi. And sometimes they even pay you to play. That said, the only difference between them and the Tully's that I play twice a month is that I'm a little closer to the steamer than optimal, but the staff and venue are equally pleasant. The independent coffeehouses I play are physically a little smaller, so there can be a bit of a noise problem, and I'm more likely to encounter amateurish booking situations. I can only think of one place offhand that was a shitty experience, and I just didn't go back there. I also used to play every Borders I could find within a three-hour drive, and up until mid 2000 they always paid performers. If you were local it was never less than $50 (sometimes cash, sometimes a gift certificate) and free drinks/food. Getting the employee discount on whatever you bought with your gift certificate was also fairly common. With both Borders and Starbucks, the first question from the booking agent was always "Have you played at one of these before?" and if the answer was yes, then the calendar usually appeared right away. Then a few years back there was some sort of shakeup, they stopped booking much local music, cut the pay, wouldn't let you sell CDs yourself, and had this ridiculously large contract with all this crap about offensive lyrics, one-volume-warning and then you're out, and so on. Borders booking was also handled by their community affairs person who seemed to turn over every 4-6 months, so it could be a bit of a struggle on repeat bookings. You had to quickly convince the new person that you were bona fide, but it wasn't much of a stuggle. TravisH ******************************* Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:17:40 -0700 From: msottilaro True, they are amazingly evil and actually effect us as performers on some level. I know Gary likes to perform at Starbucks, but how many of us rely on Starbucks for a regular gig? Also, Boarders paying musicians? I played there several times and was never offered a cent. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 15:08:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76J3tO03015; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4113CE64.0000B1.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> References: <4113CE64.0000B1.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:02:06 -0700 To: "Sony Felberg" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:31 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote: >PS: Being from LA, I thought you'd see the need for a store on every >corner...seeing as there are these 'don't walk on the sidewalk' >rules:). My friends from LA wont even go two blocks at the beach >without crying for a car. It's more like one every half mile in my extended neighborhood (Sherman Oaks, Encino, Studio City) but here in Bel-Air Starbucks is the only option. I go there maybe once every two months. If I'm in Sherman Oaks I'll go to a little place where they roast their own beans, if on the West Side or Studio City I'll go to Peets. We have an espresso maker at home, so I brew my own Peets every morning and I almost never have coffee later in the day. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 17:30:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76LT2x10842; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c47bfc$4f39a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ATTENTION users of this list Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:28:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, Jen started this thread because he thought the mac/pc discussion was taking us too far away from our loopers agenda here and he wanted to get us back on track. I have to agree. I've gotten three digests today that are mostly OT discussion of Starbuck's ( a debate I love to join in on). In that same time three people have unsubscribed. In talking with several loopers offline lately I have heard the increasing complaint that there isn't much music discussed here anymore. Lately it's all gear related or Off Topic stuff (and I"m responsible for part of the too long mac/pc thread). Can we please get back to looping, the music it creates or is influenced by and even the gear, for god's sake? PLEASE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, JUST FLAME ME OFF LIST! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 17:48:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76LhhI16400; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <853C79DF-E7CC-11D8-8533-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <4113AD25.00009A.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4113ADF2.00009C.03856@A7V266E-XP-USER> <853C79DF-E7CC-11D8-8533-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7EDDEE3E-E7F1-11D8-908D-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:42:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 6, 2004, at 12:17 PM, msottilaro wrote: > how many of us rely on Starbucks for a regular gig? Also, Boarders > paying musicians? I played there several times and was never offered > a cent. in this region, musicians were paid 100 dollars a man for gigs 4 years ago, 50/man up until 2 mos ago. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 17:50:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Llvl17580; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:47:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:46:26 -0700 Message-ID: <00aa01c47bfe$d54d5060$6401a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <010b01c47bfc$4f39a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This list sucks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 18:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76M8O624722; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4114013F.1050904@biink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:07:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <00aa01c47bfe$d54d5060$6401a8c0@geetar> In-Reply-To: <00aa01c47bfe$d54d5060$6401a8c0@geetar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Griff Peters wrote: >This list sucks > > > > and thanks for the input, you've been on the list for less than 24 hours. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 18:19:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76MDap26276; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping and Coffee Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:13:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR7/OzqfR0z4+iXR2SePEvnAKC4ugABU5Hw In-Reply-To: <010b01c47bfc$4f39a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <20040806221315.LPGS18674.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- Rick wanted to keep it within a Loop topic so here goes-- Make a point of bringing a small loop setup (battery powered) with you the next time you get coffee at a Nationally based coffeehouse and play while you enjoy-- I did! Gary PS Thanks again to all who responded--I think this list is magnificent-- G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 18:20:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76MIJD27418; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:18:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:18:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: ATTENTION users of this list Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:20:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <010b01c47bfc$4f39a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure! How about some mooziq?! Two mp3 snippets of a post cambridge loopfest jam with Michael Bearpark. http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track2.mp3 (4.4 MB) http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track8.mp3 (5.3 MB) Bernhard > > Can we please get back to looping, the music it creates or is > influenced by > and even the gear, for god's sake? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 19:16:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76NDFH13440; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <154.3bc8317e.2e456a60@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:12:32 EDT Subject: mooziq?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_154.3bc8317e.2e456a60_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_154.3bc8317e.2e456a60_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/04 6:18:36 PM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > How about some mooziq?! > bernhard.....trac 2 was very mellow, in fact i just listened to some of mr. d.c.ortons mooziq and it was also mellow.....WAZ UP WIT DAT!!!!.....:).....i'm downloading the other tune and it better be hyped crazy stuff or i'm comin over there and makin you all drink lots-o-coffee.....michael --part1_154.3bc8317e.2e456a60_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/6/04 6:18:36 PM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes:


How about some mooziq= ?!


bernhard.....trac 2 was very mellow, in fact i just listened to some of mr.=20= d.c.ortons mooziq and it was also mellow.....WAZ UP WIT DAT!!!!.....:).....i= 'm downloading the other tune and it better be hyped crazy stuff or i'm comi= n over there and makin you all drink lots-o-coffee.....michael --part1_154.3bc8317e.2e456a60_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 19:26:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76NNZQ16549; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.282a961e.2e456cdb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: mooziq?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dc.282a961e.2e456cdb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <0Py8I.A.ABE.kLBFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dc.282a961e.2e456cdb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit berhnard.....just listened to trac 8.....nice ambient feel like the previous trac.....the timbre ? tones were and rich and round.....were these duets?.....if so, were you synced?.....nice work.....thanks.....michael p.s. this list sucks! --part1_1dc.282a961e.2e456cdb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable berhnard.....just listened to trac 8...= ..nice ambient feel like the previous trac.....the timbre ? tones were and r= ich and round.....were these duets?.....if so, were you synced?.....nice wor= k.....thanks.....michael
p.s. this list sucks! --part1_1dc.282a961e.2e456cdb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 19:31:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76NR9Q17479; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:03:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061803.AA94634274@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About Sbux not wanting local music anymore: Sbux is making big money selling their lifestyle CDs now and I think that they wouldn't be interested in anything competing with that. It's probably a corporate directive. They're doing this CD kiosk deal with HP now which will pretty much end any live music in their stores, I bet. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 19:33:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76NSL817843; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12055884.1091834892224.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:28:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ATTENTION users of this list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While it's not directly about music or looping gear, I think that occasional discussions of the logistics and politics of music in the marketplace are valid here. "Where can I play?" is a pressing question to most musicians, particularly ones playing music a bit off the beaten path. Comparisons of the taste of one vendors coffee to another are a bit much, but that takes up about as much bandwidth as baiting the "unsucribe" club. People subscribe and unsubscribe all the time--we just don't hear about the ones who can follow directions. TravisH Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:28:26 -0700 From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ATTENTION users of this list Hey guys, Jen started this thread because he thought the mac/pc discussion was taking us too far away from our loopers agenda here and he wanted to get us back on track. I have to agree. I've gotten three digests today that are mostly OT discussion of Starbuck's ( a debate I love to join in on). In that same time three people have unsubscribed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 19:46:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i76Niol22523; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:44:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:44:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: mooziq?! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 01:47:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C47C20.6E6A3B70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1dc.282a961e.2e456cdb@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C47C20.6E6A3B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael Thanks for listening! I'm afraid Track 8 was even worse with respect to mellowness... These are duets. Michael was doing the tremolo part. I was doing the "stereo stuff" (Lexicon MPX G2, and of course: EDP!). We were mentally synchronized, but not electrically ;-) Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Samstag, 7. August 2004 01:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mooziq?! berhnard.....just listened to trac 8.....nice ambient feel like the previous trac.....the timbre ? tones were and rich and round.....were these duets?.....if so, were you synced?.....nice work.....thanks.....michael p.s. this list sucks! ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C47C20.6E6A3B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Michael
Thanks=20 for listening! I'm afraid Track 8 was even worse with respect to=20 mellowness...
These=20 are duets. Michael was doing the tremolo part. I was doing the "stereo = stuff"=20 (Lexicon MPX G2, and of course: EDP!). We were mentally synchronized, = but not=20 electrically ;-)
 
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Samstag, 7. August 2004=20 01:23
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 mooziq?!

berhnard.....just = listened to trac=20 8.....nice ambient feel like the previous trac.....the timbre ? tones = were and=20 rich and round.....were these duets?.....if so, were you = synced?.....nice=20 work.....thanks.....michael
p.s. this list sucks!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C47C20.6E6A3B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 20:39:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i770bMA09411; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040807013108.0281deb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 01:33:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Bernhards music In-Reply-To: <200408062316.i76NGQv14357@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408062316.i76NGQv14357@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sure! How about some mooziq?! > >Two mp3 snippets of a post cambridge loopfest jam with Michael Bearpark. >http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track2.mp3 (4.4 MB) >http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track8.mp3 (5.3 MB) > >Bernhard Bernhard already played me some of this stuff, atmospheric, evolving it's great , do check it out andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 6 21:24:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i771MPa25237; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c47bbf$4daf2370$0100a8c0@mini> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe he went back to his little house made of earth and wood. -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe go Johnny go, go ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Begood" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:49 AM Subject: unsubscribe > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 04:00:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i777wrt23211; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 03:58:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 03:58:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: mooziq?! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:00:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > bernhard.....trac 2 was very mellow, in fact i just listened to some of mr. > d.c.ortons mooziq and it was also mellow.....WAZ UP WIT DAT!!!! Michael ("Scoots" :-) : who is d.c.ortons? Anything available? THX Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 04:08:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7787fI26292; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040807013108.0281deb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200408062316.i76NGQv14357@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040807013108.0281deb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E1B881C-E846-11D8-BDA8-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bernhards music Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:49:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Sure! How about some mooziq?! >> >> Two mp3 snippets of a post cambridge loopfest jam with Michael >> Bearpark. >> http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track2.mp3 (4.4 MB) >> http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track8.mp3 (5.3 MB) >> >> Bernhard > > Bernhard already played me some of this stuff, > atmospheric, evolving > it's great , do check it out > > andy butler Have to chime in. I like this music a lot! Some days ago I even had the pleasure to play with Bernhard in person and we had lots of coffee and made veeery slooooow muuuuuu----zic ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 04:27:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i778PvR28600; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:28:05 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41149295.60907@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1kmCxAbdab4SGsIbuaW+7Q)" X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_1kmCxAbdab4SGsIbuaW+7Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT and here's one they lost... http://www.lanebaldwin.com/hbc/news.htm > >>> OK, here's one-- >>> Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? >> >> > >Why? Only they can answer. How? > >Here are two examples: > >1. No sense of humor and a litigious tendency: >http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html > >Covered also at: >http://dir.salon.com/business/feature/2000/06/01/starbuckssuit/index.html > >2. Starbucks tried to charge paramedics for water while they were attempting >to help victims on Sept. 11: >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/40164_robert25.shtml > >Normally I give everyone three chances. In this case I made an exception - >#2 almost counts for two items on its own. > >That said, one should wear a Consumer Whore t-shirt whenever possible, and >into a Starbucks as many times as possible. > >Stephen Goodman >* >* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff >* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > > --Boundary_(ID_1kmCxAbdab4SGsIbuaW+7Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
and here's one they lost...
http://www.lanebaldwin.com/hbc/news.htm

> OK, here's one--
> Why is Starbucks evil?  Or rather, how?
    

Why?  Only they can answer.  How?

Here are two examples:

1. No sense of humor and a litigious tendency:
http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html

Covered also at:
http://dir.salon.com/business/feature/2000/06/01/starbuckssuit/index.html

2. Starbucks tried to charge paramedics for water while they were attempting
to help victims on Sept. 11:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/40164_robert25.shtml

Normally I give everyone three chances.  In this case I made an exception -
#2 almost counts for two items on its own.

That said, one should wear a Consumer Whore t-shirt whenever possible, and
into a Starbucks as many times as possible.

Stephen Goodman
*
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
--Boundary_(ID_1kmCxAbdab4SGsIbuaW+7Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 04:32:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i778V1229248; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <003f01c47c57$f95f7c40$4ba2fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: Subject: Service technician Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:53:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C47C64.62E40120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C47C64.62E40120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, does anybody know about a skilled tech in the Bielefeld / Osnabruck area = in Germany? Someone who wouldn=B4t be scared of touching really odd gear = no one has ever seen in a music store? Thanks in advance, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C47C64.62E40120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
does anybody know about a skilled = tech in the=20 Bielefeld / Osnabruck area in Germany? Someone who wouldn=B4t be scared = of=20 touching really odd gear no one has ever seen in a music = store?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C47C64.62E40120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 05:17:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i779Ewx06085; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 05:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 05:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Bernhards music Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:16:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5E1B881C-E846-11D8-BDA8-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Samstag, 7. August 2004 09:50 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Bernhards music > > > > > >> Sure! How about some mooziq?! > >> > >> Two mp3 snippets of a post cambridge loopfest jam with Michael > >> Bearpark. > >> http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track2.mp3 (4.4 MB) > >> http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track8.mp3 (5.3 MB) > >> > >> Bernhard > > > > Bernhard already played me some of this stuff, > > atmospheric, evolving > > it's great , do check it out > > > > andy butler > > Have to chime in. I like this music a lot! Some days ago I even had the > pleasure to play with Bernhard in person and we had lots of coffee and > made veeery slooooow muuuuuu----zic ;-) > ... and that was no Starbux ;-) ! The pleasure was all mine! Two witnesses of the "veeery slooooow muuuuuu----zic": http://nosuch.biz/soundz/PBBW_CD1_Track3.mp3 (4.4 MB) http://nosuch.biz/soundz/PBBW_CD1_Track4.mp3 (5.2 MB) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 06:03:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77A2M414045; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 06:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 06:02:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c47c65$8d2c2c40$0407a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:01:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <8QiHsD.A.5aD.RiKFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, but did he carry his guitar in a gunny sack? From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:21 AM Subject: RE: unsubscribe > I believe he went back to his little house made of earth and wood. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: unsubscribe > > > go Johnny go, go ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johnny Begood" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:49 AM > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 08:38:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77CbdR03249; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1AD4F92C-E86F-11D8-8308-000A959EE9CA@datacomm.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Lars Lindvall Subject: lars has a question Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:41:29 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there friends, i've been performing since nearly 35 years. with trumpet. the last years adding keyboards, didgeridoo, djembe and percussion. i'd like to find a good device to work with loops. mainly with djembe adding djembe and/or keyboard and or trumpet (didgeridoo). i imagine to trigger start and end points with a fot pedal and/or hand. to add several (1-4 motivs, leyers) and be able to change tempo, speed up or down. don't know any specific models other then jam man and oberheim (old) which seames to be limited or to complex. saw on the webpage (loopers delight) about the devices: -electro-harmonix and electrix repeater. do anyone know if thoose devices are suitable and for sale anywhere. or, i'm up for suggestions and offers. need to buy in europe beqause of the 110/220 V-thing. thanks from lars From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 10:14:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77EBcB21325; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <002101c47c87$8465a6a0$5ca1fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Starbucks Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:33:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C47C69.FF5FDF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C47C69.FF5FDF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To me this all sounds very much like Scientology. I bet the marketing = term "wellness" was also coined by them in order to get into the last = fortresses of privacy. Stephen (whose next album will most likely be called "Music for = well-being and fuck-offing") "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C47C69.FF5FDF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To me this all sounds very much like Scientology. I bet the = marketing=20 term
"wellness" was also coined by them in order to get into the last = fortresses
of privacy.

Stephen (whose next album will most = likely be=20 called "Music for well-being
and fuck-offing")
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C47C69.FF5FDF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 10:39:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77Ec1R25032; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002101c47c87$8465a6a0$5ca1fe91@synthhost> References: <002101c47c87$8465a6a0$5ca1fe91@synthhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <46EFC6B6-E87F-11D8-A5E3-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Starbucks Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:37:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about starting a separate "Starbucks list"? Here in Europe we only hear about "Starbuck" on Loopers-Delight. Not exactly essential reading ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 11:07:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77F43031484; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.1cddcb92.2e46493d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:03:25 EDT Subject: Re: mooziq?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1091891005" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1091891005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2004 2:58:39 AM Central Standard Time, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > bernhard.....trac 2 was very mellow, in fact i just listened to some of mr. > d.c.ortons mooziq and it was also mellow.....WAZ UP WIT DAT!!!! Michael ("Scoots" :-) : who is d.c.ortons? Anything available? THX Bernhard Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration". Available at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/recooperation , www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com Peace, James -------------------------------1091891005 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/2004 2:58:39 AM Central Standard Time, loopdelig= html@nosuch.biz writes:
> bernhard.....trac 2 was very mellow, in f= act i just listened to some of
mr.
> d.c.ortons mooziq and it was a= lso mellow.....WAZ UP WIT DAT!!!!

Michael ("Scoots" :-) : who is d.c.= ortons? Anything available?

THX
Bernhard
        Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboratio= n". Available at:
 
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp; Peace, James
-------------------------------1091891005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 11:07:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77F6r832312; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.26c7928f.2e4649fd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:06:37 EDT Subject: Looking for Texas gigs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1091891197" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1091891197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking to play Texas solo looped guitar gigs. Thank you, James Sidlo -------------------------------1091891197 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     I'm looking to play Texas solo looped g= uitar gigs. Thank you, James Sidlo -------------------------------1091891197-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 11:36:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77FYSm05397; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46EFC6B6-E87F-11D8-A5E3-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <002101c47c87$8465a6a0$5ca1fe91@synthhost> <46EFC6B6-E87F-11D8-A5E3-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:33:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Starbucks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i77FY7h05316 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:37 PM +0200 8/7/04, Per Boysen wrote: >How about starting a separate "Starbucks list"? >Here in Europe we only hear about "Starbuck" on >Loopers-Delight. Not exactly essential reading >;-) Starbucks itself may not have reached Sweden yet, but the underlying question that initiated this discussion has to do with corporate citizenship. There is a growing trend of "gigantism" exemplified by businesses such as Walmart and Starbucks, that is tending toward global domination of their respective market niches (in the case of Walmart, more than a "niche"). One result of this trend is the homogenation of culture, something of potential concern to all. Your implication that Starbucks is limited to the United States is not entirely accurate; the company has been in Europe and Asia for several years (2000 stores as of 2002). Considering that Sweden leads the world in per capita coffee consumption (1097 cups/year according to a 2002 study by Nescafé) you should probably start to see local Starbucks "real soon now." But the larger question is "How do you feel about this sort of economic/cultural imperialism?" -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 12:21:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77GJsK12919; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:19:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:19:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <198.2cbfb373.2e465b0c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:19:24 EDT Subject: Re: mooziq?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i77GJbh12867 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 8/7/04 8:04:20 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: >Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration." Available at: >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/recooperation, >www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com This IS a really fine album. James sent it to me a while back, since it's a collaboration between himself and David Cooper Orton. I really dig it -- along with a number of others he's sent me from time to time. It's one of the finer "ambientish" CDs in my collection (and I've got quite a few). Far from being a lot of over-reverbated, unconsciously-played mush, which IMOHO a lot of ambient music descends to, this one has some fine melodies, sensitivity and decent playing on it. And . . . as anyone who was at last year's Y2K3 fest in santa Cruz can attest to, James Sidlo is a monster guitar slinger. Do they grow any other kind down there in Texas? Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 12:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77GLXC13165; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <002101c47c87$8465a6a0$5ca1fe91@synthhost> <46EFC6B6-E87F-11D8-A5E3-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Starbucks Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:21:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i77GLOh13123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-07, at 17.33, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 4:37 PM +0200 8/7/04, Per Boysen wrote: >> How about starting a separate "Starbucks list"? Here in Europe we >> only hear about "Starbuck" on Loopers-Delight. Not exactly essential >> reading ;-) > > Starbucks itself may not have reached Sweden yet, but the underlying > question that initiated this discussion has to do with corporate > citizenship. There is a growing trend of "gigantism" exemplified by > businesses such as Walmart and Starbucks, that is tending toward > global domination of their respective market niches (in the case of > Walmart, more than a "niche"). One result of this trend is the > homogenation of culture, something of potential concern to all. > > Your implication that Starbucks is limited to the United States is not > entirely accurate; the company has been in Europe and Asia for several > years (2000 stores as of 2002). Considering that Sweden leads the > world in per capita coffee consumption (1097 cups/year according to a > 2002 study by Nescafé) you should probably start to see local > Starbucks "real soon now." > > But the larger question is "How do you feel about this sort of > economic/cultural imperialism?" > -- Thank you for an informative post. Fighting economic/cultural imperialism is always a good thing IMHO. As is supporting any original outlet, like we use to do on this list. Kindly Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 12:31:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77GSDO14460; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <010b01c47bfc$4f39a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010b01c47bfc$4f39a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: ATTENTION users of this list Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:27:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will note that at least a noticeable percentage of the Starbucks posts discussed booking and payment issues. That seems entirely on topic in that it's useful to know where one can find gigs as a looper. (Admittedly, my one contribution wasn't on that topic...) Mark On Aug 6, 2004, at 2:28 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Hey guys, Jen started this thread because he thought the mac/pc > discussion was taking us too far away from > our loopers agenda here and he wanted to get us back on track. > > I have to agree. I've gotten three digests today that are mostly OT > discussion of Starbuck's ( a debate I love to join in on). > In that same time three people have unsubscribed. > > In talking with several loopers offline lately I have heard the > increasing > complaint that there isn't much music discussed > here anymore. Lately it's all gear related or Off Topic stuff (and > I"m > responsible for part of the too long mac/pc thread). > > Can we please get back to looping, the music it creates or is > influenced by > and even the gear, for god's sake? > > PLEASE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, JUST FLAME ME OFF LIST! > > yours, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 12:32:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77GVGr14963; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:31:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Kid Beyond Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:35:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <9qCyX.A._oD.GPQFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Last night I caught a Beatbox show in Berkeley called "Vowel Movement." Amazing show. One of the performers was called Kid Beyond (http://www.kidbeyond.com) and was doing really cool stuff with live loops using Ableton's Live. If any of you get the chance to check this guy out, I swear you won't be disappointed. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 12:46:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77GhSb18370; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <92.11ae6d78.2e466090@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:42:56 EDT Subject: Re: mooziq?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.11ae6d78.2e466090_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <1hkAZ.A.2dE.baQFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_92.11ae6d78.2e466090_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/04 3:58:39 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > d.c.ortons > david cooper-orton..... http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/davidcooperortonmusic.htm.....a member of the CT-COLLECTIVE, has a cd "RE:COOPERATION TRANSATLANTIC COLLABORATION" with the esteemed mr.james sidlow (of HONEY BARBARA fame) "I-10 &W.AVE.".....he is also a member of the "ORTONES".....hope this helps.....michael --part1_92.11ae6d78.2e466090_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/04 3:58:39 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes:


d.c.ortons


david cooper-orton.....http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/davidcooperorton= music.htm.....a member of the CT-COLLECTIVE, has a cd "RE:COOPERATION TRANSA= TLANTIC COLLABORATION" with the esteemed mr.james sidlow (of HONEY BARBARA f= ame) "I-10 &W.AVE.".....he is also a member of the "ORTONES".....hope th= is helps.....michael --part1_92.11ae6d78.2e466090_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 12:59:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77GwiL21667; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1139284e.2e46642b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:58:19 EDT Subject: Re: Bernhards music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.1139284e.2e46642b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9a.1139284e.2e46642b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/04 4:07:52 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > I even had the > pleasure to play with Bernhard in person and we had lots of coffee and > made veeery slooooow muuuuuu----zic ;-) > ahhhhhhhh.....so the mellowness is more of a state-o-mind thing across the pond.....when we first began the CT-COLLECTIVE we thought that it would be interesting to see if there was a "regional" aspect to our collective music, i.e. does the east coast sound different than the west coast than europe.....our findings are very confidential and can not be shared at this time.....:).....but if you send me a cd i will gladly share our insights.....:).....perhaps as an "ugly" american who is avoiding the news at all costs, my music and what i have been listening to is a bit more aggressive/jumpy/punky/sharp sounding/less ambient.....perhaps this reflects my own inner jumpiness and sense of "total lack of fucking REALITY" now a daze.....plus way yoo much coffee.....:).....michael --part1_9a.1139284e.2e46642b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/04 4:07:52 AM, per@boysen.se writes:


I even had the
pleasure to play with Bernhard in person and we had lots of coffee and
made veeery slooooow muuuuuu----zic ;-)


ahhhhhhhh.....so the mellowness is more of a state-o-mind thing across the p= ond.....when we first began the CT-COLLECTIVE we thought that it would be in= teresting to see if there was a "regional" aspect to our collective music, i= .e. does the east coast sound different than the west coast than europe.....= our findings are very confidential and can not be shared at this time.....:)= .....but if you send me a cd i will gladly share our insights.....:).....per= haps as an "ugly" american who is avoiding the news at all costs, my music a= nd what i have been listening to is a bit more aggressive/jumpy/punky/sharp=20= sounding/less ambient.....perhaps this reflects my own inner jumpiness and s= ense of "total lack of fucking REALITY" now a daze.....plus way yoo much cof= fee.....:).....michael --part1_9a.1139284e.2e46642b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 13:29:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77HLic26768; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:21:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:21:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:21:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005b01c47c65$8d2c2c40$0407a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah yes i think he did, all the way back,up in the pines beneath the evergreens. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Ah, but did he carry his guitar in a gunny sack? From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:21 AM Subject: RE: unsubscribe > I believe he went back to his little house made of earth and wood. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: unsubscribe > > > go Johnny go, go ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johnny Begood" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:49 AM > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 13:51:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77HeXv30270; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Benhard's music Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:40:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If possible, please set the metadata tags on your MP3s. I think iTunes will let you do that. Thanks. Mark On Aug 6, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Sure! How about some mooziq?! > > Two mp3 snippets of a post cambridge loopfest jam with Michael > Bearpark. > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track2.mp3 (4.4 MB) > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track8.mp3 (5.3 MB) > > Bernhard > >> >> Can we please get back to looping, the music it creates or is >> influenced by >> and even the gear, for god's sake? >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 14:12:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77I4q305883; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:04:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1c8.1cddcb92.2e46493d@aol.com> References: <1c8.1cddcb92.2e46493d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C3D9CB8-E89C-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: mooziq?! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:03:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i77I3ch05534 Resent-Message-ID: <-xsVI.A.xWB.7lRFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Highly recommended. On Aug 7, 2004, at 8:03 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >         Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration". Available at: >   >                             http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/recooperation , > www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 14:49:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77IhJK12109; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:42:21 EDT Subject: Re: Benhard's music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/04 1:40:38 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > please set the metadata tags on your MP3s > mark.....what does that mean?.....i have itunes and love it.....michael --part1_1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/04 1:40:38 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


please set the metada= ta tags on your MP3s


mark.....what does that mean?.....i have itunes and love it.....michael --part1_1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 15:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77Je7I25481; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:40:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:40:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:37:25 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c47cb5$f7dcbd20$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <9FAEBC78-E7B9-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Puritan decadents? I'm mulling that one ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:02 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! > > > Starbucks is a big company. Obviously the person who wrote > the article > about the 9/11 incident has it out for Starbucks. DO you > really think > if Starbucks management knew what it's employee did they'd > condone it? > Of course not, for negative publicity alone. Some dorky > employee did > this. Big surprise they're upper management is hard to get to. All > you people who love PCs, try calling Bill Gates when your > copy of Word > isn't working. > > Anyway, I have no real love for big companies or Starbucks. > However, > they employed an ex girlfriend at a time she really needed a job and > gave her health insurance and a bit more dollars per hour than most > service industry jobs. It's not the best coffee in the > world, but it's > decent, especially when on the road traveling through the > midwest where > coffee isn't widely understood. I'm happy they opened up a > second near > my house, as the "mom and pop" coffee place (JavaRama) has shitty > coffee. Do I go to Starbucks instead? No, my wife roasts our own > coffee, but we will go to the Peets (a smaller Starbucks like > CA chain) > that took Starbuck's lead and opened a cafe across the street from > them. > > I am surprised they won the logo lawsuit. Doesn't that fall under > parody? Blame our conservative country's anti free speech judicial > system. What can you expect from the decedents of puritans? > > Mark > > On Aug 6, 2004, at 2:48 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > >> OK, here's one-- > >> Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > > > > Why? Only they can answer. How? > > > > Here are two examples: > > > > 1. No sense of humor and a litigious tendency: > > http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html > > > > Covered also at: > > http://dir.salon.com/business/feature/2000/06/01/starbuckssuit/ > > index.html > > > > 2. Starbucks tried to charge paramedics for water while they were > > attempting > > to help victims on Sept. 11: > > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/40164_robert25.shtml > > > > Normally I give everyone three chances. In this case I made an > > exception - > > #2 almost counts for two items on its own. > > > > That said, one should wear a Consumer Whore t-shirt > whenever possible, > > and > > into a Starbucks as many times as possible. > > > > Stephen Goodman > > * > > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 15:49:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77JlZf26830; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000e01c47cb5$f7dcbd20$6401a8c0@ws42554> References: <000e01c47cb5$f7dcbd20$6401a8c0@ws42554> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A89D994-E8AB-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:51:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahahah, woops. I meant "descendants" I bet I spelled it wrong and sloppily spell checked it. Mark On Aug 7, 2004, at 12:37 PM, wrote: > Puritan decadents? I'm mulling that one ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 15:50:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77Jmd527078; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:48:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:48:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Bernhard's music Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:47:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My apologies for the spelling on the subject to my previous message. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 15:51:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77JmYV27059; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d@aol.com> References: <1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Benhard's music Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:48:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The metadata tags in an MP3 file identify the artist, title, etc. so that the recipient doesn't have to enter it. Mark On Aug 7, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/7/04 1:40:38 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > > > please set the metadata tags on your MP3s > > > > mark.....what does that mean?.....i have itunes and love > it.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 15:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77JvE628595; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:57:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:57:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <411533D0.1020509@biink.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:56:00 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Benhard's music References: <1e6.270aa758.2e467c8d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1rhwMC.A.h6G.LPTFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool music, nice vibe! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 17:02:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77L0PK08940; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:00:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:00:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c47cc1$79bd54c0$0400a8c0@3dplus> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: Subject: the good old Mac/PC question Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:59:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C47CD2.3A0ACFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:f5a3b43dea75223c59abe8b1c21b89d3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C47CD2.3A0ACFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the information on the subject. Cheers, Leander ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C47CD2.3A0ACFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the = information on=20 the subject.
 
Cheers,=20 Leander
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C47CD2.3A0ACFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 17:43:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77Lffb18864; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:41:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:41:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c40494$fda2eac0$b716fea9@nenufar> Reply-To: "Emmanuel PERILLE" From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" To: References: <198.2cbfb373.2e465b0c@aol.com> Subject: SonicStage Copyright laws Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:39:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Does anyone know how to back up tracks from Net MD to PC recorded through analog inputs ? I have purchased a Net MD recorder in order to copy through USB port my own looped MD tunes into my PC, but unfortunately SonicStage forbids this due to copyright laws. Although I can easily understand this prevents from copying commercial materials, nevertheless it's a bit a pitty in my case with my own materials. Any help ? thanks emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 17:51:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77Lns821490; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040807214934.31973.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: Benhard's music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > The metadata tags in an MP3 file identify the > artist, title, etc. so > that the recipient doesn't have to enter it. > > Mark On XP if you right click an MP3 you can add this info very easily. Properties / Summary / Then choose which field you want to edit under the Value section. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 18:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77MAVt30950; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:10:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:10:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c47ccd$18e7c980$bae1fe9e@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <1de.26c7928f.2e4649fd@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looking for Texas gigs Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:22:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C47CA3.2F40B5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C47CA3.2F40B5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey James, http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/music/directory/venues/venues.h= tm http://www.governor.state.tx.us/music These are two links that if you don't know about you should spent some = time looking at. I could understand how the name at the top could make you cringe, but = it's a good resource. Lots of information. I'm up here in the D/FW metro mess.=20 Good luck, Rick ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: Looking for Texas gigs I'm looking to play Texas solo looped guitar gigs. Thank you, = James Sidlo ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C47CA3.2F40B5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey James,
 
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/music/directory/ven= ues/venues.htm
 
http://www.governor.state.= tx.us/music
 
These are two links that if you don't know about you should spent = some time=20 looking at.
I could understand how the name at the top could make you cringe, = but it's=20 a good resource. Lots of information.
 
I'm up here in the D/FW metro mess.
 
Good luck, Rick
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jhsidlo@aol.com=20
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Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 = 10:06=20 AM
Subject: Looking for Texas = gigs

    I'm looking to play Texas = solo=20 looped guitar gigs. Thank you, James Sidlo = ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C47CA3.2F40B5E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 18:59:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77MwID12492; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c47cd2$8eb01fa0$46a3a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: C|Net hit parade Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:02:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.163.70] at Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:57:54 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. OK. I feel a little awkward, but here goes... I just wanted to say thanks to all the people who downloaded UNDO and Super-Cannes music from C|Net. It's been a real charge getting such positive feedback on my music. Thank you. The response has been waaay beyond my expectations. UNDO has been C|Net's most downloaded "Ambient" music for 3 weeks in a row, and is currently the 7th most popular "ambient" download overall. Not bad for a CD recorded live on 1970's cassette deck! UNDO http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list After three weeks Super-Cannes was C|Net's 3rd most download in the "electronica" section last week. I'm really quite proud! There's a lot of music on C|NET. Ironically, the SC pieces I think strongest are getting less downloads. Oh well, that's the market for you! Super-Cannes http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=list Thanks again! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 19:13:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77N6YQ15361; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f401c47cd3$5bb8d500$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Io Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:07:48 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <41YZhC.A.VvD.oBWFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 10th - Io Visiting THE AMBiENT PiNG from Miami Florida... Io is futuristic global music, hypnotic, digital and divine. David Font, the multi-instrumentalist behind the Io project, has delved deeply into both modern sound technology and traditional Afro-Cuban liturgical music. Synthesized, ancient classical music traditions and high-tech digital experiments form a natural musical vocabulary. It is not rhythm, melody, or harmony that gives shape to music, but sound: acoustic, synthetic or sampled. Weaving together electronics and acoustic instruments, Io will consist of David Font on electronics and percussion, Ekendra Das on percussion and Michael Marcuzzi on percussion and trumpet. http://www.eleguarecords.com Between Sets CD - "feel good lost" by Broken Social Scene In keeping with the "groove, space and acoustic instruments" feel of the evening we're featuring Broken Social Scene's 1st CD - a beautiful album of chilled, textured instrumentals. http://www.arts-crafts.ca/bss/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 17th - dreamSTATE with Sylken + General Chaos Visuals for THE AMBiENT PiNG's 5th ANNiVERSARY SPECiAL! http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.sylken.ca http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "The Equatorial Stars" by Fripp & Eno . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Deep Chill Network "Live at the Ambient Ping 2000" Sweeping & majestic are just two of the words that are conjured up in my mind as I listen to "Live at the Ambient Ping 2000". This live recording by Deep Chill Network brilliantly captures the essence of the ambient genre, showcasing a selection of organic and flowing works of sublime beauty and subtle emotionality. One cannot help but be spellbound by this release, get wrapped up in it's charms, enveloped by it's warmth - or chill as the case may be... One of the many projects of Dark Duck Records founder and Maryland native Stephen Philips, Deep Chill Network "Live at the Ambient Ping 2000" is a fine example of the wonders of movement and the magic of the minimal. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening. * After the final show at C'est What on August 17th, the PiNG will be closed for 2 weeks & will start a new residency at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone) beginning Tuesday, September 7th. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 19:32:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77NW3b19030; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:31:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <5KcSC.A.LoE.WZWFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded material when they play out, and what the audience response has been. I know that some people assume that I'm playing over backing tracks from a CD or something similar when I play (I don't), but I've never heard anything negative from them about that idea (maybe the ones who disapprove just don't talk to me). They're always a bit surprised when I explain how it's all Live Looping, and sometimes I'll do a tune that's a combination performance and talked-through demonstration on how it works. A friend of mine has been doing open mics recently, playing live guitar over a CD-R of backing tracks that he'd recorded (he's got a Johnson amp simulator, a Tascam CD player and a little mixer all mounted on a music stand when he plays, so it's just one cable out to the sound guy), and the musician's union has yet to bust him (joke), and it aroused my curiousity as to how widespread this sort of thing is outside karaoke bars. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:00:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i77NwvJ26028; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c47cda$77bdf8f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: ATTENTION users of this list Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:58:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47C9F.CB475330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <-h6il.A.xVG.yyWFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47C9F.CB475330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable allright, I take it back. discussing starbuck's is relevant on = loopers delight. sorry for my foul mood the day I posted. it happens. sheepishly, rick ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47C9F.CB475330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
allright,  I take it=20 back.      discussing starbuck's is relevant on = loopers=20 delight.
 
sorry for my foul mood the day I = posted.  it=20 happens.
 
sheepishly,  = rick
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C47C9F.CB475330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:04:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7801GT28061; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Looping Great passes away Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:01:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looping great and superfreak Rick James passed away of natural causes yesterday. his EDP work was exemplary. he will be missed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:12:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i780ADT30008; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:10:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:10:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c47cdc$06ce01b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Kid Beyond Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:09:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: "Last night I caught a Beatbox show in Berkeley called "Vowel Movement." Amazing show. One of the performers was called Kid Beyond (http://www.kidbeyond.com) and was doing really cool stuff with live loops using Ableton's Live. If any of you get the chance to check this guy out, I swear you won't be disappointed." Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid Beyond) is a really interesting musician. He did a cover of one of Portishead's first tunes, using only Ableton's live, a laptop, an FCB110 midi pedal, a mic and his voice. He reporduced the whole tune, note for note off of the record. It was astonishing. Despite the fact that he blew me away with his ability to mimic instruments, digital effects, drums and the use of his beautiful voice for leads and harmonies he was equally impressive in that he did not touch his computer once during the song. All his moves were done with his FCB110 and his hands were free to perform. I'm with Mark, check out this amazing artist! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:30:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i780Qqi01133; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:26:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:26:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040807171422.0422fd58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 17:24:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Comparison of some looping pedals In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 AM 8/5/2004, Kevin wrote: > I've only >used the Boss RC-20, which was so-so. I had to really drop the boot >on it to get either switch to go, and the whole 'the first loop stays >just as loud as you add more loops' thing kinda turned me off. you need feedback control! >Also, >it seemed that you could only overdub a loop that was the same length >as the first loop. I'm not sure if this is common with all pedals, >but I would think this would hamper some people. What I mean is I >can't record a 2 measure beat, than say a 4 measure bass riff, etc. >If I loop something for 2 measures, the rest of the overdubs I put on >it will have to be 2 measures as well, right? I'd be interested to >know which pedals do this and which don't :-) I don't think there are any pedals that do that. The Gibson Echoplex does it easily with the multiply function. The Repeater also has a multiply function, but its version of multiply is less flexible and not so intuitive to use live. >I know Keller Williams uses a Jam Man, which I found odd because I >didn't read very many positive reviews about them. Keller actually uses Echoplexes now. >So, my problem is which of these to buy. Like I said, I've only tried >the RC-20, so I really can't compare them. I don't plan to use more >than one instrument live (for now), but I may use more at >home/recording/etc. I'd like to stay around or under $200US, but >that's just a preference. At that price you are only going to get very simple loopers with many limitations, and none of them will do the functions you are looking for. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:47:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i780jO619823; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0c0c040e0e030e000f0f090e0e040c06 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: Subject: RE: Kid Beyond Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:44:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcR81G8sGiHyrlQQSemptjknQhcyNAACjNOQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040808002702.1F0882901BE@new.knowspam.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1__yxB.A.5sE.6dXFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the kind words, Mark. I've actually been an LD subscriber for about a year (I don't post much), and recommend it highly to folks who see my shows and express an interest in looping. (I must admit I've been considering unsubscribing, because all the off-topic stuff is getting a little much for me, even in digest form.) My setup is: Ableton Live running on a Sony Vaio, M-Audio Firewire 410, Ground Control Pro foot controller, talking to a little utility called MIDI Translator (www.bome.com) that lets each button on the GCP send multiple keystroke commands to Live. Oh, and a microphone to sing and beatbox into, of course. I love Ableton Live. I'm going to upgrade from Live 3 to Live 4 soon, and I'm excited to see what I can do with the new features. I do crave a more hardware-looper feel along with the multitrack flexibility that Live allows, so I'm hoping Augustus Loop comes out for Windows soon. The recent Mac-vs.-PC discussion is of interest to me -- but only where Live is concerned. I want to buy a faster laptop so I can handle more loops and effects at once (I'm maxing out at about 12 live tracks). I know this is a discussion more suited to Ableton's forums, but the signal-to-noise ratio over there is even higher than on LD. :) So, Live users: I've heard that a good PC laptop will trounce a good Mac laptop when running Live -- allowing you more simultaneous tracks and effects before becoming hopelessly confused. Thoughts on this? I don't have any clips of my looping stuff on the Web yet, but when I do I'll let the list know. Peace, Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond andrew at bigger bread dot com http://biggerbread.com | http://kidbeyond.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kid Beyond Hey, Last night I caught a Beatbox show in Berkeley called "Vowel Movement." Amazing show. One of the performers was called Kid Beyond (http://www.kidbeyond.com) and was doing really cool stuff with live loops using Ableton's Live. If any of you get the chance to check this guy out, I swear you won't be disappointed. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:49:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i780l5I21823; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:47:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:47:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E7B9300-E8D5-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:51:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a while I was doing hybred dj/live loop shows where about half of the loopage was prerecorded and triggered inside of "live" and the other half was a keyboard looped using PSP42 vst plugin. I got great responses, but stopped doing that show... because I just didn't like doing it. Sure, it was easier in many ways... but do I want it easy? Last night the beatboxer Kid Beyond also used backing loops triggered in Live. It was a really great show on ever level. I think if your music and performance is good, it really doesn't matter if you can get behind it. If you feel like a cheat doing it, you probably are. Mark On Aug 7, 2004, at 4:31 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded > material when they play out, and what the audience response has been. > I know that some people assume that I'm playing over backing tracks > from a CD or something similar when I play (I don't), but I've never > heard anything negative from them about that idea (maybe the ones who > disapprove just don't talk to me). They're always a bit surprised > when I explain how it's all Live Looping, and sometimes I'll do a tune > that's a combination performance and talked-through demonstration on > how it works. A friend of mine has been doing open mics recently, > playing live guitar over a CD-R of backing tracks that he'd recorded > (he's got a Johnson amp simulator, a Tascam CD player and a little > mixer all mounted on a music stand when he plays, so it's just one > cable out to the sound guy), and the musician's union has yet to bust > him (joke), and it aroused my curiousity as to how widespread this > sort of thing is outside karaoke bars. > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 20:49:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i780m9M22961; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3916017C-E8D5-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping Great passes away Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:52:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cocaine's a hell'ava drug, bitch! On Aug 7, 2004, at 5:01 PM, loop.pool wrote: > looping great and superfreak Rick James passed away of natural causes > yesterday. > > his EDP work was exemplary. > > he will be missed. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 21:06:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7814AO07996; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <88109D02-E8D6-11D8-8F3C-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looping Great passes away, bitch! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:01:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 7, 2004, at 7:01 PM, loop.pool wrote: > his EDP work was exemplary. okay, Rick, please explain. is this humour on your part or did Rick James actually use an EDP? btw, my favourite Rick James moment was the episode of the A-Team he did with Isaac Hayes. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 21:47:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i781k9g19853; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:46:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Firman Subject: Gig in Cleveland Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:46:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <5AUcPB.A.r1E.VXYFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Warning, gig spam ahead: My group MEME (the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble) will be performing a rare live show in Cleveland on Saturday Night (August 14th) the location and time details can be found at http://www.midnightmixer.com This version of MEME is made up of four musicians, three of which are subscribers to this list. Although looping isn't the primary focus of the group we do engage in a lot of live looping and have amongst our equipment two EDPs (used in stereo), two Echo Pros (used in stereo), a couple of Jam Men, and several Korg Kaoss Pads (which do loop by the way). If you get a chance and you are in the Cleveland area, stop in and catch the show. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 21:56:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i781sqN21883; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:54:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:54:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <411587C7.6080705@neoprimitive.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:54:15 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam: LTO live in Brooklyn on 8/11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7907b67e05f5be7af4b041be7087999f74350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.167.68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doing a latenight thing at The Pourhouse in Brooklyn starting at 11:00PM on Wednesday, the 11th of August. Looping bass, guitar, and voice along with programmed madness, and some EDP improvisation. Directions are available here... http://www.lessthanone.net/news.html ...and sound clips nearby. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 22:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i780Vq102214; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:31:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:31:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040807172547.0424a520@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 17:30:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: C|Net hit parade In-Reply-To: <004b01c47cd2$8eb01fa0$46a3a344@hppav> References: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <004b01c47cd2$8eb01fa0$46a3a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:02 PM 8/7/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >After three weeks Super-Cannes was C|Net's 3rd most download in the >"electronica" section last week. I'm really quite proud! There's a lot of >music on C|NET. Ironically, the SC pieces I think strongest are getting >less downloads. Oh well, that's the market for you! > >Super-Cannes >http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=list David, are you sure it's the music and not those hot pictures of you in a bikini with the water glistening on your skin? I had no idea you looked like that! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 22:25:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i782NTx32356; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Gig in Cleveland Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:22:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 7, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Michael Firman wrote: > My group MEME (the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble) will be > performing > a rare live show in Cleveland on Saturday Night (August 14th) the > location and is that show with KOMPRESSOR i keep hearing about? :) btw, how do you use the echo pros in stereo? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 22:43:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i782gSA05610; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:42:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:42:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:41:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of >pre-recorded material when they play out, and what the audience >response has been. I've gotten the impression that purist loopers have some disdain for backing tracks of any kind. Maybe it's because some people think looping should be about pure improvisation, and so the use of backing tracks would compromise the integrity of the craft? Could be. Like anything else, I'd say it depends on what your creative goals are. I can see how someone could creatively use backing tracks and improvisation to create some great music. I'm guessing many people here already do exactly that. I'm interested in using backing tracks for a U2 cover band I'm sorta/kinda trying to put together. Backing tracks are essential components of several of those songs, so I'd use them without hesitation. And the fact that I spent the time learning the parts, playing them, programing the equipment, and so on, ought to count for something. I sent a message to another list on this very question (about using backing tracks live), so I might as well see if anyone else can help me out here too. I have a Powerbook G4, DP 4 and MOTU 828, Reason, a Yamaha Motif keyboard/sequencer, and a pretty decent sized rack full of guitar gear + a Ground Control Pro to control it all with. My question: What's the best way to go about making my backing tracks and then triggering them to stop/start given this set up? Should I use the Motif to program the MIDI events in DP, then drag the P-book and Motif out to gigs? Would Ableton Live be a better option? If so, why/how? I've also heard of people doing their programming at home and then putting the tracks onto a MD player and simply taking that to the gig. I assume stopping and starting it would then be done manually? I'm still new to all of this stuff, so any help would be appreciated. And speaking of being new to all this gear and needing additional help...does anyone know if the EDP video (dvd??) is still in the works? I remember hearing about it a long, long time ago. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 7 23:41:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i783dIn14899; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <81229592-E8EC-11D8-BE3A-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Gig in Cleveland Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:39:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are two DJs on the bill (one to open up for us and one to close the evening (morning actually)) I don't think either is called KOMPRESSOR. As to how the Echo Pros are used in stereo, you will have to ask Duke Sexton (a.k.a. catilyne@icicle.net). He has the two Pros and has them rigged somehow to do looping in stereo I believe. I'm the one with the two EDPs (you saw them at AHMW2003 if you'll recall - they do stereo just fine). On Aug 7, 2004, at 9:22 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Aug 7, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Michael Firman wrote: >> My group MEME (the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble) will be >> performing >> a rare live show in Cleveland on Saturday Night (August 14th) the >> location and > > is that show with KOMPRESSOR i keep hearing about? :) > > btw, how do you use the echo pros in stereo? > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 01:37:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i785XnO11460; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808000956.0429b090@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:32:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Gig in Cleveland In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:22 PM 8/7/2004, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >On Aug 7, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Michael Firman wrote: >>My group MEME (the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble) will be performing >>a rare live show in Cleveland on Saturday Night (August 14th) the >>location and > >btw, how do you use the echo pros in stereo? A couple of weeks back, I posted a long (read: tedious <*half-grin*>) write-up on how to do that. There was also the disclaimer that it's stereo in the sense that it keeps the content between the left and right channels distinct, even if they're not absolutely locked in synchronization. Regardless, I've been using the setup for a bit now, and it's still working better than expected. Let me know if you missed the post -- or if you've any other questions about it -- and I'll be more than happy to address them. Hey Michael! You left the Repeater out of the list of looping devices. And that's *undoubtedly* stereo. ;^) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 06:14:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78ABso10502; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <50AC76D6-E923-11D8-AE8B-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:11:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Travis, I perform "improvised music" and use a lot of live-looping techniques. Doing that is both a musical and a philosophical statement and you have to make sure that you're act is accurately presented when attending gigs. You also have to think about how people hear your music as a "first impression". Does it rely on some tradition? Does it sound like other music of a certain style? Do you use certain instruments and what expectations might that implement? What's the color of your shirt today? Such things, that might not at all interest you, may have an unwanted impact on the audience bringing them to presume that you are "trying to do a certain thing" (which you might, or might not). The beauty in trying to improvise to 100% is that the resulting music gives you, the performer, a "first impression" very close to what the audience experiences. This gives that you have a fairly good chance to come up with something they like, as long as you keep doing music that you think is cool with yourself. But as soon as you start using audio material that you have heard before ("pre-recorded") this unique situation is gone. Example: Sometimes I have launched recorded voice readings during a gig and almost every time I have gotten the feedback from some listeners that "I did not hear every word of that voice". I had been using the voices because I like the atmosphere in hearing distant small talks and not being able to follow the words. Like being drunk and falling asleep in someone's bedroom at a party or being five years old and trying to stay awake in bed while your parents keep talking in the living room. Anyway, I found out that when playing back voice recordings from stage I was the only one that kept hearing them as "emotionally interesting background sounds". Most people thought the voices was put into the music because they should "front the song", like pop vocals do. You tend to hear what you expect, not the actual sound. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-08-08, at 01.31, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded > material when they play out, and what the audience response has been. > I know that some people assume that I'm playing over backing tracks > from a CD or something similar when I play (I don't), but I've never > heard anything negative from them about that idea (maybe the ones who > disapprove just don't talk to me). They're always a bit surprised > when I explain how it's all Live Looping, and sometimes I'll do a tune > that's a combination performance and talked-through demonstration on > how it works. A friend of mine has been doing open mics recently, > playing live guitar over a CD-R of backing tracks that he'd recorded > (he's got a Johnson amp simulator, a Tascam CD player and a little > mixer all mounted on a music stand when he plays, so it's just one > cable out to the sound guy), and the musician's union has yet to bust > him (joke), and it aroused my curiousity as to how widespread this > sort of thing is outside karaoke bars. > > TravisH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 06:37:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78AZOo14404; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:35:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C7D4D44-E926-11D8-AE8B-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:35:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <7FFfJC.A.fgD.fHgFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-08, at 04.41, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > I sent a message to another list on this very question (about using > backing tracks live), so I might as well see if anyone else can help > me out here too. I have a Powerbook G4, DP 4 and MOTU 828, Reason, a > Yamaha Motif keyboard/sequencer, and a pretty decent sized rack full > of guitar gear + a Ground Control Pro to control it all with. > > My question: What's the best way to go about making my backing tracks > and then triggering them to stop/start given this set up? With Ableton Live you can trig clips of any length from midi foot pedals, midi keyboard or the computer keyboard. Triggering can be set to happen on next 1 bar, 2 bar etc (action quantize). Live can be tempo tapped if needed, but I have not tried this out personally so please download the free demo and check it out if you plan to use it that way. Long files can be prepared in Live for perfect time-stretching during tempo changes. You simply add a "time warp mark" for every second measure. This tempo reference date is save in a complementary file and will be available by Live even if you open the audio track in a different song document. Well, I think I'll stop here... ;-) Live 4 is an awesome software. Ty it out, there is a free demo available. Read the PDF manual and see if it matches your needs. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 08:17:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78CFba30031; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:15:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:11:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance In-Reply-To: <200408081014.i78AErn11208@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408081014.i78AErn11208@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2QnrEB.A.iUH.ZlhFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've gotten the impression that purist loopers have some disdain for >backing tracks of any kind. Maybe it's because some people think looping >should be about pure improvisation, and so the use of backing tracks would >compromise the integrity of the craft? Could be. hi Jeff, Well I think the term "disdain" is a bit off the mark (vehement purist live loopers may flame me personally for this), but I reckon that for many people canned loops just aren't interesting. Personally I play loop music which is all live, and has a large element of pre-composition. I don't recollect any "pure loop improvisors" who objected to canned loops on those grounds. They may, of course, exist in droves and I just know about them. My personal take is that if I'm going somewhere to hear live music, then that's what I want to see. Both from a musical standpoint, and from a non-musical performance angle. Canned loops, and for that matter drum machines, tend to kill the feel of a live performance, and detract from any musical communication between performer & audience. andy "livelooping" butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 09:22:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78DKPL09853; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:20:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c47d4a$644e4700$0407a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Looping Great passes away Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:19:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <4OxLEB.A.3YC.AiiFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "loop.pool" put forth: > > looping great and superfreak Rick James passed away of natural causes > yesterday. > > his EDP work was exemplary. > > he will be missed. Agreed. Consider that, after a brief period of pretend mourning, he will then be ripped off at full speed by his publishers, and so we should prepare to hear his work selling burgers and shower cleaners within oh, three months? Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 09:23:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78DLPs09993; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c47d4a$911c0100$0407a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <004b01c47cd2$8eb01fa0$46a3a344@hppav> Subject: Re: C|Net hit parade Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <6txDk.A.pbC.KjiFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's good to know of another venue where we can upload our work! Perhaps we all might share where we do so and compare notes...! Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:02 AM Subject: C|Net hit parade > Hi. > > OK. I feel a little awkward, but here goes... I just wanted to say thanks > to all the people who downloaded UNDO and Super-Cannes music from C|Net. > It's been a real charge getting such positive feedback on my music. Thank > you. The response has been waaay beyond my expectations. > > UNDO has been C|Net's most downloaded "Ambient" music for 3 weeks in a row, > and is currently the 7th most popular "ambient" > download overall. Not bad for a CD recorded live on 1970's cassette deck! > > UNDO > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list > > > After three weeks Super-Cannes was C|Net's 3rd most download in the > "electronica" section last week. I'm really quite proud! There's a lot of > music on C|NET. Ironically, the SC pieces I think strongest are getting > less downloads. Oh well, that's the market for you! > > Super-Cannes > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=list > > Thanks again! > > David > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 09:39:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78Dd8Z11891; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:39:55 -0400 Subject: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playing live? From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5tGXN.A.24C.kziFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've been possessed with a desire to take my looping to the streets of NYC! Does anyone know of a good portable (hopefully inexpensive) electrical supply that I could use? I'd like something that could let me play for 3 or 4 hours, and I'd be plugging in an amplifier, 2 synth modules, a kaos pad, a samson wireless mic and an edp - thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 11:21:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78FJa827199; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c47d5b$08f6bb60$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: References: <50AC76D6-E923-11D8-AE8B-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Venues_in_D=FCsseldorf/K=F6ln=3F?= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:19:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, If anybody knows of any venues in this region (for the last 2 weeks of October) please email me privately. Thanks! -Patrick Grant pg@patrickgrant.net www.patrickgrant.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 11:27:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78FL9Y27394; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:21:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <98CC8C08-E94E-11D8-97AF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notices: Seattle area Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:21:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping fun in the August sun: Thursday, August 10, 7PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Friday, August 13, 8:30PM Starbucks (East Olive Way) Saturday, August 14, 7PM Starbucks (10214 NE 8th Street, Bellevue) Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 11:29:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78FRxf28177; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029201c47d5c$7e8a42b0$0200a8c0@marcsnew> Reply-To: "Marc Roche" From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <200408081014.i78AEsA11215@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FS: Beige face Oberheim EDP Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:29:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2149 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2149 Resent-Message-ID: <8GPxkD.A.02G.pZkFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For Sale: Beige face Oberheim Echoplex and EFC-7 foot pedal...fully expanded memory, LoopIV software installed. Works perfectly, no problems. $700 + shipping US seller. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 11:55:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78FskH31549; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:54:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c47d60$8f835da0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <004b01c47cd2$8eb01fa0$46a3a344@hppav> <6.1.2.0.2.20040807172547.0424a520@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: C|Net hit parade Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:58:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.189.239] at Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:54:23 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3hCiwB.A.UrH.zykFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim - There's nothing like a Brazilian wax job to invigorate the senses... :-) Come to Cannes one summer day and see what it takes to keep up with the Jones's, or rather the LeBruns... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Re: C|Net hit parade > At 04:02 PM 8/7/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >After three weeks Super-Cannes was C|Net's 3rd most download in the > >"electronica" section last week. I'm really quite proud! There's a lot of > >music on C|NET. Ironically, the SC pieces I think strongest are getting > >less downloads. Oh well, that's the market for you! > > > >Super-Cannes > >http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=list > > David, are you sure it's the music and not those hot pictures of you in a > bikini with the water glistening on your skin? I had no idea you looked > like that! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 11:58:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78FplO31144; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:51:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:51:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: Echo Pros in Stereo (was Gig in Cleveland) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c47d5f$50325ee0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808000956.0429b090@gemini.lunarpages.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm most curious about how people are implementing the 'Record' function of an Echo Pro (or two). It seems there isn't a midi command that makes the Echo Pro record button to act like the DL4. Can someone please tell me what midi command you are using for 'Record' and/or 'overdub' and how it implements? Right now, I'm using midi note number 60, and that works somewhat how I want it, with the exception that I need to hold down the footswitch while I'm recording, and when I let off the switch, it is immediately in overdub. I need to tap it again to take it into 'play' mode. I'm using a behringer FCB1010 Any info is appreciated. Best, Rich >btw, how do you use the echo pros in stereo? A couple of weeks back, I posted a long (read: tedious <*half-grin*>) write-up on how to do that. There was also the disclaimer that it's stereo in the sense that it keeps the content between the left and right channels distinct, even if they're not absolutely locked in synchronization. Regardless, I've been using the setup for a bit now, and it's still working better than expected. Let me know if you missed the post -- or if you've any other questions about it -- and I'll be more than happy to address them. Hey Michael! You left the Repeater out of the list of looping devices. And that's *undoubtedly* stereo. ;^) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil __________ NOD32 1.787 (20040612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 12:17:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78GFHR03675; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:15:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:15:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playinglive? Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:13:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR9TagiselydJR/R+qAZ22mOYKFDAAFM+qg Message-Id: <20040808161354.LOQM27280.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <8k6xtB.A.j2.IFlFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.galaxyaudio.com/faroutlet.html I bought one of these when they first came out--looks like they are still in production . . . There might be cheaper solutions but this is the real deal. Gary -----Original Message----- From: steve.sandberg [mailto:steve.sandberg@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playinglive? Hello all, I've been possessed with a desire to take my looping to the streets of NYC! Does anyone know of a good portable (hopefully inexpensive) electrical supply that I could use? I'd like something that could let me play for 3 or 4 hours, and I'd be plugging in an amplifier, 2 synth modules, a kaos pad, a samson wireless mic and an edp - thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 12:35:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78GSZN05699; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:28:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <36.5f0f9a08.2e47ae42@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:26:42 EDT Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i78GQrh05449 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, As an occasional user of pre-recorded material I thought I'd pipe in with an opinion. As far as using stuff that's pre-recorded in a "live" situation goes -- I can take it or leave it. As long as the outcome is creatively interesting for me -- as a performer or an audience member -- it's all in what the end result actually IS. Does it MOVE me in some way? The sort of pre-recorded stuff I use tends to be "canned" loops of material that I've created in the studio (or my living room, or garage, depending) on a Mac computer and downloaded to a simple Boss SP-303 sample player. I now have a vast collection of this sort of material and it's fun to create this stuff. As a guitar player with only very limited skills as a rhythmatist (and even less as a singer/vocalist of any sort in a performance context) I'll often reach over and trigger different loops by pressing buttons on the SP-303 -- in full view of the audience -- and turn on and off individual and multiple loops. Sometimes these are textural and atmospheric, sometimes spoken word stuff. Sometimes it's very conventionally rhythmic percussive stuff (drums and bass). I don't always push the same buttons and my timing (and therefore the synchonicity of these loops) is left up to whatever happens at the time. It is not sequenced or anything so there is still a "live" element to it. So, I do not feel this is an invalid musical performance activity. However, once upon a time I used to loop and improvise totally and exclusively live -- never the same thing twice. I was almost religious about it. That was also a very freeing time for me too. But, I discovered that by always "making it up as I went along" I began to feel I was missing out on some discipline too. Learning how to repeat myself (as in learning how to play the improvised tunes from my own CD) has made me a better musician I think. Learning how to toss in to the live looping mix an occasional "canned" loop has also sharpened my skills. Sometimes using a "canned" loop to start a piece and to fit my "live" loops to it has sharpened other skills. I usually don't get too much negative feedback from audiences. I've been lucky. I've also been largely inactive. I am very picky about what gigs I set myself up for. So, I don't gig constantly like a Top-40 cover band would. Perhaps that would be a useful experience for me. I don't know. It's just not an area I'm interested in exploring. Besides, I'm a soft-around-the-middle (slightly overweight) 51-year-old white guy. Who'd care? If I'm going to face general indifference I might as well face it boldly and creatively for doing something I like. I have had mild criticism from some corners of the loop community (at festivals) for using "canned" loops. But I figure that I myself used to hold the same opinions that the ones commenting hold -- and I changed. Perhaps they'll open up too one day. It's all good -- mostly. I worry more than anything else about some of those initial questions. Does what I am doing MOVE me -- or anyone else for that matter? That's how I pass judgment on myself and any of my "creative" activities. What else is there? I hope this missive wasn't too muddle-headed and sleepy on this Sunday morning. I mean well. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 13:28:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78HQKX16630; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808114318.04694ca8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 12:24:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Echo Pros in Stereo (was Gig in Cleveland) In-Reply-To: <000201c47d5f$50325ee0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808000956.0429b090@gemini.lunarpages.com> <000201c47d5f$50325ee0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:49 AM 8/8/2004, the toy room wrote: >I'm most curious about how people are implementing the 'Record' function >of an Echo Pro (or two). It seems there isn't a midi command that makes >the Echo Pro record button to act like the DL4. Hrm, not certain exactly how the DL4 buttons act (I thought they operated the same on both units, but obviously I'm mistaken), but let me take a crack at it. >Can someone please tell me what midi command you are using for 'Record' >and/or 'overdub' and how it implements? I'm actually using the Continuous Controller strings rather than MIDI notes. I found what appeared to be a couple of documentation errors (although they could always just be user errors) regarding the note numbers, and just found it easier to program the CC's or Program Changes. >Right now, I'm using midi note number 60, and that works somewhat how I >want it, with the exception that I need to hold down the footswitch >while I'm recording, and when I let off the switch, it is immediately in >overdub. I need to tap it again to take it into 'play' mode. It sounds like what you're actually looking for is the command that puts the Echo Pro through the Record/Play/Stop/Play chain. If you want to stick with MIDI notes, that's actually note number 61. For Continuous Controller's, you'd send CC #83 with a value of 127. You should also be able to toggle through the chain by sending Program Change #101 over and over. I'd also program a second pedal with MIDI note number 71, if you haven't already. That's the Loop Reset command, and is invaluable as an undo if you ever blow the take on your first pass. Otherwise, you're trapped in the Rec/Play/Stop/Play without a clear way to get back to Record. Alternately, you could set it up with two separate buttons: one for Record (note 60, CC#50 value >64, PC#103) and a second button for Play (note 68, CC#28 value >64, PC#106). Personally, I just find it easier to keep my foot on a single button for that function, though. Let me know how that works for you... --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 14:28:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78IREE01313; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808130339.0470df98@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:25:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance In-Reply-To: <36.5f0f9a08.2e47ae42@aol.com> References: <36.5f0f9a08.2e47ae42@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM 8/8/2004, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >The sort of pre-recorded stuff I use tends tobe "canned" loops of material >that I've created in the studio (or my living room, or garage, depending) > > [...] > >Sometimes these are textural and atmospheric, sometimes spoken word stuff. >Sometimes it's very conventionally rhythmic percussive stuff (drums and >bass). I don't always push the same buttons and my timing (and therefore >the synchonicity of these loops) is left up to whatever happens at the >time. It is not sequenced or anything so there is still a "live" element >to it. So, I do not feel this is an invalid musical performance activity. Ted, I saw you use this technique in Santa Cruz last October for the first night of Rick's Looping festival. I just wanted to say that your use of pre-recorded material actually worked quite well. In particular, the spoken word passages reminded me very much of Bill Nelson's work on his Orchestra Arcana project. Nice! --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 14:29:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78IRYj01360; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:27:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:27:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808123807.046f8a08@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:02:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200408081014.i78AErn11208@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:11 AM 8/8/2004, a k butler wrote: >>I've gotten the impression that purist loopers have some disdain for >>backing tracks of any kind. Maybe it's because some people think looping >>should be about pure improvisation, and so the use of backing tracks >>would compromise the integrity of the craft? Could be. > >Personally I play loop music which is all live, and has a large element of >pre-composition. >I don't recollect any "pure loop improvisors" who objected to canned loops >on those grounds. They may, of course, exist in droves and I just know >about them. Similarly, I've been playing in another Live Looping "grey area". I've found that I'll frequently compose complex loops live, but I'll do so wholly within the audition channel and won't bring the loop volume into the mains until it's already fully composed. While this technically is Live Looping, it does seem to stray from the whole philosophy of watching the musician compose the music from the very first note. Frankly, I've no real problem with either Andy's pre-composition or my own "composition in obscura". Then again, I don't have a problem with pre-recording loops either, as long as the end result is interesting. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 14:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78IVo802315; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:31:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:13:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcR9ZQ7/jGITIzHoQUiJy1+dtuos8gADipMg In-Reply-To: <36.5f0f9a08.2e47ae42@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040808181326.EJVI7022.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <4apCZD.A.bi.CGnFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted wrote: I usually don't get too much negative feedback from audiences. I've been lucky. I've also been largely inactive. I am very picky about what gigs I set myself up for. So, I don't gig constantly like a Top-40 cover band would. Perhaps that would be a useful experience for me. I don't know. It's just not an area I'm interested in exploring. Besides, I'm a soft-around-the-middle (slightly overweight) 51-year-old white guy. Who'd care? If I'm going to face general indifference I might as well face it boldly and creatively for doing something I like. ----->What I am learning-- It's all about what you mean. Mean it in a big way--so if you like canned, sell them canned. But mean it. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 14:55:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78IrdT06379; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:53:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040808181326.EJVI7022.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040808181326.EJVI7022.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:57:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also think that you can't really count on most of us as a group about this topic. What I've felt about myself and others on this topic really seems removed from how an audience feels about such things. If you're going to a loopfest, people might be a bit critical about your prerecorded loops. When I play in a club I'm sure no one cares. The person who went on before or after me is playing records or CDs. Compared to that my preprogrammed drum sequences are "live." I had a revelation a while ago when Jon El-Bizri and I played a rave. We got a good response (as good as one can get when your audience is on a different floor than your playing on in a loft) but I noticed that the IDM band who dropped of their CD and had the following DJ play cuts from it got an equally good response. I've found what most folks want form a live performance is: 1) To be social (see also: Get laid) this means have some sort of "common experience" This doesn't even have to be a good experience. I go to plenty of bad movies with friends knowing they'll be bad so we can go have coffee afterwards and groan at each other saying, "Oh man good thing you can put out an out of control fission reactor by dunking it in the bay." (Spiderman II) 2) To drink/drugs as it helps the above. 3) To be entertained/moved but not if it conflicts with the first two laws of performance. You can put an amazing performer in a club with 4 people and chances are the crowd won't grow much. I was always amazed that the prog rock band Jaws would play near Ithaca College and Cornell and a club on the hill would be PACKED. Same band downtown would play to an empty club. I asked, "could all these kids really be into this Mr. Bungle/Zorn/King Crimson like band? I knew they didn't think it sucked, but I imagine most were there for the group experience. I think it was a shock to them when they moved to SF and their college crowd wasn't there and as amazing as they were, most people shy away from music that is that complex. Anyway, this could all be bullshit, but it's how I perceive things. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 15:07:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78J5WR10403; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c47d7a$7156c2d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:03:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <-anvQB.A._cC.bknFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the past few years I have been militantly opposed to using pre-existing tracks in my live improvisations (although it has never bugged me when I've heard others doing it). The person who really changed my head around about this policy has been Amy X who has been, arguably, one of the best recieved live looping artists at the festivals she has performed at. Although recently, she has done improv shows, the first shows I saw of hers where carefully scripted and rehearsed without any improvisation (although she was performing the show entirely live). She was able to use pre recorded and triggerable samples in such a way that it freed her to be more theatrical. There also was none of the 'wandering looper' phenomenae that seems to plague a lot of the live looping world (me included -----). I also saw George Demarest's fine performance at last years' Y2K3 loopfest where he was using either completely prerecorded drum tracks or at least triggering Korg Wave Station drumming segments while he used key boards and trumpet with his loopers. His programming was imaginative and really fresh sounding and I enjoyed it as much as any performance I have seen. Then there are the burgeoning number of people using Ableton's LIVE in concert where you have to use at least one pre-recorded loop to even begin to improvise. I guess my feeling is that whatever makes a show compelling, works: from an Andre LaFosse who is playing completely improvisationally with only a guitar and an EDP to an Amy X Neuburg who is playing completely rehearsed parts with pre-recorded samples. One thing for sure, when people use drum machine tracks, I've always dug it when they used some kind of time based processing that changes the sounds slightly over time. I love that random filtering patch that Steve Lawson uses a lot in his expensive Lexicon unit. It just doesn't feel canned. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 15:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78JAM511754; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c47d7b$4bdd4be0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: looping great passes away Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:09:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <_oNNvD.A.u2C.JqnFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric asked: "okay, Rick, please explain. is this humour on your part or did Rick James actually use an EDP?" Yes, I'm sorry, it was dark humor. Rick James used a lot of cocaine and bondage gear. (and also was in a band in Canada with Neil Young for all of your obscure music trivia buffs---------and this is not a joke) Eric also wrote: "btw, my favourite Rick James moment was the episode of the A-Team he did with Isaac Hayes." Yeah, Issaac Hayes....................................superb Boomerang user in his day (<========= humor> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 15:34:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78JW6315277; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200408081855.i78ItBD06756@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408081855.i78ItBD06756@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FDB18D3-E971-11D8-BDAE-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playinglive? Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:31:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn--that thing weighs 33lbs. Make sure you bring a handcart... TravisH On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Gary Lehmann" > Date: August 8, 2004 9:13:47 AM PDT > To: > Subject: RE: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for > playinglive? > > > http://www.galaxyaudio.com/faroutlet.html > I bought one of these when they first came out--looks like they are > still in > production . . . > There might be cheaper solutions but this is the real deal. > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 15:44:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78JfQP17160; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:41:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:40:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1120128430==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1120128430==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:31 PM -0700 8/7/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: >I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded material In recent years all of my solo performances have used pre-recorded material, but none of this material was created by me personally. My practices is closer to DJ practice, with the important difference that I have neither an interest in, nor an obligation to provide, beat-oriented dance music. Neither do I have a well-defined structural plan for these performances. I generally select a batch of CDs (as few as two and as many as 20) and I practice a bit during the days prior to the performance. My performance processing is based in part on looping but is probably just as much a case of "sonic mayhem" where the source recordings are transformed to often extreme degrees. The extent to which this is true as variable as is the size of the pool of source recordings. For instance, at Loopstock 2002 I used a wide assortment of CDs, from Xenakis to the Simpsons sound track to the Who. The processing was often extreme and the rate of change from one sonic moment to the next was fairly quick. My performance was also rather kinetic, since I was changing CDs and fiddling with the processor controls pretty quickly. In contrast, my performance at Woodstockhausen that same year was based on only two CDs (a Bach cello suite played on viola by my partner Pam and a Conlon Nancarrow player piano disc). The processing was primarily loop-based and the control was performed mainly with a MIDI fader box. As a result my performance was much less physical and the music was much more "evolutionary" than "disjunct." Performing solo with recorded sources is something I do out of necessity. I'm not much of an instrumentalist and I don't feel I have anything much to offer as yet another "looping guitarist." On the other hand, I've been processing other performers live since the late 1970s and I've done a lot of electroacoustic duo improvisations. This is my preferred performance mode, but of course it requires the presence of a suitable partner. Lacking one in recent years, I've adopted the CD-based approach. There are interesting differences between performing with a live musician and a set of recordings. With a live player there is a certain degree of "performance ESP" that helps fuse your separate actions and reactions into a single performance gesture. In addition to this is the obvious fact that the instrumental or vocal performer is reacting to the processing. On the other side, with prerecorded material there is often an element of serendipity that comes from not hearing the source material until after it has been captured (at least this is a common situation the way I have my system set up). This puts me continuously into the situation of having to deal in the moment with whatever has been thrown my way. >what the audience response has been. Mostly it's pretty good. It's usually pretty clear what I'm doing, so there's no confusion about whether I played live something or used a recording (it's all recordings). Audience response seems to depend pretty much on how well I play. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1120128430==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance
At 4:31 PM -0700 8/7/04, Travis Hartnett wrote:
I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded material

In recent years all of my solo performances have used pre-recorded material, but none of this material was created by me personally. My practices is closer to DJ practice, with the important difference that I have neither an interest in, nor an obligation to provide, beat-oriented dance music. Neither do I have a well-defined structural plan for these performances. I generally select a batch of CDs (as few as two and as many as 20) and I practice a bit during the days prior to the performance.

My performance processing is based in part on looping but is probably just as much a case of "sonic mayhem" where the source recordings are transformed to often extreme degrees. The extent to which this is true as variable as is the size of the pool of source recordings. For instance, at Loopstock 2002 I used a wide assortment of CDs, from Xenakis to the Simpsons sound track to the Who. The processing was often extreme and the rate of change from one sonic moment to the next was fairly quick. My performance was also rather kinetic, since I was changing CDs and fiddling with the processor controls pretty quickly. In contrast, my performance at Woodstockhausen that same year was based on only two CDs (a Bach cello suite played on viola by my partner Pam and a Conlon Nancarrow player piano disc). The processing was primarily loop-based and the control was performed mainly with a MIDI fader box. As a result my performance was much less physical and the music was much more "evolutionary" than "disjunct."

Performing solo with recorded sources is something I do out of necessity. I'm not much of an instrumentalist and I don't feel I have anything much to offer as yet another "looping guitarist."  On the other hand, I've been processing other performers live since the late 1970s and I've done a lot of electroacoustic duo improvisations. This is my preferred performance mode, but of course it requires the presence of a suitable partner. Lacking one in recent years, I've adopted the CD-based approach.

There are interesting differences between performing with a live musician and a set of recordings. With a live player there is a certain degree of "performance ESP" that helps fuse your separate actions and reactions into a single performance gesture. In addition to this is the obvious fact that the instrumental or vocal performer is reacting to the processing. On the other side, with prerecorded material there is often an element of serendipity that comes from not hearing the source material until after it has been captured (at least this is a common situation the way I have my system set up). This puts me continuously into the situation of having to deal in the moment with whatever has been thrown my way.

what the audience response has been.

Mostly it's pretty good.  It's usually pretty clear what I'm doing, so there's no confusion about whether I played live something or used a recording (it's all recordings). Audience response seems to depend pretty much on how well I play.

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--============_-1120128430==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 17:04:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78L2tL01677; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040808002702.1F0882901BE@new.knowspam.net> References: <20040808002702.1F0882901BE@new.knowspam.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41483570-E97E-11D8-BC5B-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Live 4, PC/Mac (was: Re: Kid Beyond) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:02:27 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-08-08, at 02.44, Andrew Chaikin wrote: > > My setup is: Ableton Live running on a Sony Vaio, > M-Audio Firewire 410, Ground Control Pro foot > controller, talking to a little utility called MIDI > Translator (www.bome.com) that lets each button > on the GCP send multiple keystroke commands to > Live. Hi Andrew, MIDI Translator seems great! I'm looking for a similar application for OS X. Any hints? (have tried ControlAid but it's not what I'm looking for) > flexibility that Live allows, so I'm hoping Augustus > Loop comes out for Windows soon. Lexicon PSP 42 is available as VST for both Windows and Mac. It has "freeze loop" and "half/double speed" like Augustus but it has no "reverse loop" function. The PSP uses a little more CPU than Augustus on a Mac. On PC the PSP 42 uses a little more CPU than Live's built in delays. > So, Live users: I've heard that a good PC laptop > will trounce a good Mac laptop when running Live -- > allowing you more simultaneous tracks and effects > before becoming hopelessly confused. Thoughts > on this? That seems to be true. If you need as much tracks and effects you can get, PC is the way to go with Live. Mac gains about 30 percent CPU efficiency in Live 4 compared to Live 3 but can still not compete with PC in raw CPU power for Live (will probably change when powerbook laptops with G5 processors becomes available). What I like with mac is the applications available for OSX; Numerology, Logic and Augustus Loop. For reference, here are some CPU facts of my 1,25 MHz Powerbook: Live 4 craves 50 percent CPU power when running 3 Augustus Loop tracks (for overdub loop layering), 1 MIDI track with a drum sampler (+ midi pedal controlled random midi filters), 2 live input tracks (instrument/mic direct + Echoplex loops), 2 audio tracks (for recording Augustus loops + live playing as Live clip loops) and finally one reverb set to the highest definition. All tracks, except the live inputs, have some Live 4 effect added, like the Autofilter or the three band DJ filter. On top of this 3 to 5 more effects are usually active (Hematohm, Ohmboyz) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 18:39:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i78MarD19736; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Heavy power source Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:35:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcR9fseFYiZ14SRPQMun8LVc5RzopQAGMDsg In-Reply-To: <8FDB18D3-E971-11D8-BDAE-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040808223600.QCMR14278.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just went and weighed mine--yup. But the handle makes it feel manageable--probably shouldn't carry it thru a mall tho . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playinglive? Damn--that thing weighs 33lbs. Make sure you bring a handcart... TravisH On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Gary Lehmann" > Date: August 8, 2004 9:13:47 AM PDT > To: > Subject: RE: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for > playinglive? > > > http://www.galaxyaudio.com/faroutlet.html > I bought one of these when they first came out--looks like they are > still in production . . . > There might be cheaper solutions but this is the real deal. > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 21:42:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i791eXN18580; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200408081014.i78AErn11208@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0943F996-E9A5-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:40:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <3rh5WB.A.rhE.2XtFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some random thoughts: * Drum machines are the moral equivalent of pre-recorded material unless you program them on the fly. * If you use pre-recorded material, you risk having the audience lose the ability to tell what was looped live and what was pre-recorded. Arguably at some point, it doesn't even matter what you play live, but you can probably put enough histrionics into the playing to get around (or fake) that. * Live manipulation potentially compensates for a lot of canned material. * My personal take is that it's nice if the audience has some hope of connecting some physical action to what they are hearing. With looping that generally has to do with the initial creation of the sound. With canned material, manipulation and calling attention to bringing elements in and out starts to turn those elements into live material. You can ask yourself some questions: * Am I playing to entertain the audience or to make an artistic statement? * Given your goal, do pre-recorded tracks help or hurt that goal? * Does looping help or hurt that goal? * Does playing help or hurt that goal? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 22:06:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7924UD24387; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:04:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:04:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0943F996-E9A5-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> References: <200408081014.i78AErn11208@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <0943F996-E9A5-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:03:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >You can ask yourself some questions: > >* Am I playing to entertain the audience or to make an artistic statement? Are the two ends mutually exclusive? I'd argue that they aren't. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 23:23:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i793LJg07049; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:21:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:20:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:19:19 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Are the two ends mutually exclusive? >> I'd argue that they aren't. That's a great question. I agree with you. Mastery and delivery are everything. Mastery is something that just can't be faked, and it requires a lot of dedication to reach. If incorporating canned loops is your bag, then own it! :) Nobody was supposed to buy Beatles records because guitar music was on the way out, remember? Neo-traditionalist of any genre judge others while simultaneously allowing their own innovations to pass as acceptable. Pick any genre since the beginning of recorded music. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance > >You can ask yourself some questions: > >* Am I playing to entertain the audience or to make an artistic statement? Are the two ends mutually exclusive? I'd argue that they aren't. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 8 23:53:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i793qew12284; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:52:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:52:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <200408081014.i78AErn11208@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040808124316.0281b580@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <0943F996-E9A5-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <81B5C87A-E9B7-11D8-A041-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:52:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They aren't mutually exclusive, but certainly there are people who choose to pursue one or the other or who weight one much more heavily than the other. Mark On Aug 8, 2004, at 7:03 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> You can ask yourself some questions: >> >> * Am I playing to entertain the audience or to make an artistic >> statement? > > Are the two ends mutually exclusive? I'd argue that they aren't. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 00:13:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i794CKK16516; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <008c01c47d7b$4bdd4be0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008c01c47d7b$4bdd4be0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E58132E-E9BA-11D8-9BC1-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: looping great passes away Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:11:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i794Bxh16470 Resent-Message-ID: <8qoB6B.A.lBE.PmvFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:09 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Yeah, Issaac Hayes....................................superb > Boomerang > user in his day (<========= humor> funny you'd mention that. i play 3 Isaac Hayes tunes in my set ("Do Your Thing", "Hung Up On My Baby", and "Shaft") and use two of them (the ones which aren't Shaft) as loop showcases á la "God's Monkey" (on Sylvian/Fripp's live album). I sing "Do Your Thing" and "Shaft". also, anyone who wants to learn how to make bad ass lock-tight groove sequences should head over to Emusic.com and buy every Isaac Hayes album. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 01:47:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i795jsO31054; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:45:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:45:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr3-rev3 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:45:05 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Japanese subscriber is exists? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We will do the event "Looper's Delight J" at 21th November 2004 in Kobe,Japan. Some over sea artists will join from LD mailing. it will be great looping show.. (I will make the event information web site soon.) Well,Japanese or live in Japan subscriber of LD is exists? Some my Japanese friends are subscribing LD and they joined the this event, but I don't know other subscribers and I have never met except my friends.. We want to meet and play together in this event,if you have interesting for this event,please mail me by Japanese. Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 03:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7978c618188; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:08:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c47ddf$9f759a00$1ef8fea9@jd5qdjnuy69jz7> From: "Joey D." To: Subject: I Need Help Setting up FCB1010 to Voiceworks (echoplex is already wired) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:08:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C47DB5.B626DF90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <43J9xD.A.oaE.cLyFBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C47DB5.B626DF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anybody help me set up the FCB1010 to control the TC-Helicon = VoiceWorks. I want to use switches 8,9, and 10 to control Song Step = Back, Song Step Forward, and Harmony Hold. Right now I use switches 1 thru 7 to control my echoplex in bank 1. It = would be great if I could eliminate the VoiceWorks Switch-3 foot control = and just use the FCB1010. If possible I would like to use switches 8,9, and 10 in Bank 1=20 Any kind of help would be greatly appreciated, Joey D. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C47DB5.B626DF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anybody help me set up the FCB1010 = to control=20 the TC-Helicon VoiceWorks. I want to use switches 8,9, and 10 to control = Song Step Back, Song Step Forward, and Harmony Hold.
Right now I use switches 1 thru 7 to = control my=20 echoplex in bank 1.  It would be great if I could eliminate the = VoiceWorks=20 Switch-3 foot control and just use the FCB1010.
If possible I would like to use = switches 8,9, and=20 10 in Bank 1 
 
Any kind of help would be greatly=20 appreciated,
Joey = D. 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C47DB5.B626DF90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 06:06:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i799xof18900; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 05:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 05:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c47df7$904fcec0$0407a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <008c01c47d7b$4bdd4be0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3E58132E-E9BA-11D8-9BC1-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: looping great passes away Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:59:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:11 AM Subject: Re: looping great passes away > On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:09 PM, loop.pool wrote: > > Yeah, Issaac Hayes....................................superb > > Boomerang > > user in his day (<========= humor> > > funny you'd mention that. i play 3 Isaac Hayes tunes in my set ("Do > Your Thing", "Hung Up On My Baby", and "Shaft") and use two of them > (the ones which aren't Shaft) as loop showcases á la "God's Monkey" (on > Sylvian/Fripp's live album). I sing "Do Your Thing" and "Shaft". > > also, anyone who wants to learn how to make bad ass lock-tight groove > sequences should head over to Emusic.com and buy every Isaac Hayes > album. I don't know if I'd call Isaac "bad ass lock-tight groove" though. For the definition of that one can turn to other sources, most notably James Brown's "start on the One" style. One could also buy the collection of Charles Wright & the Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band, whose "Do Your Thing" predates Isaac Hayes' song - you might have heard it during the "80s party" scene in "Boogie Nights"... Or perhaps additionally the irrefutable George Clinton/Funkadelic/Parliament ongoing thang that also undoubtedly inspired Mr. Hayes to do his stuff, though he won't most likely these days admit such a thing. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 07:06:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79B3qs01555; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:03:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:03:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040809110326.16707.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 04:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: loopers-coffee time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1091807965.13525@mx64a.mysite4now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...And is not only the coffee but the whole atmosphere, intimacy and style of the coffee locations what makes it special (something starbucks doesn´t have.)Besides,why trade a nice cup of coffee served in a nice ceramic cup for an overpriced carton or sterofoam big gulp! but speaking of live music in small cafés;another factor that is sadly affecting the hiring of musicians in small venues here in europe is the copyright fee bar owners are obligated to pay.In Germany you are as a bar owner obligated to give the musician a form to fill out with a list of the titles of the pieces you have performed and its respective composer/songwriter name.This royalites are suppose to go to the musicians off course.As a songwriter it seems very attractive since you get a piece of it but bar owners won´t hire you to avoid the fee if you demand a list.Most of them do it under the able but recently die GEMA(equivalent of ASCAP BMI)has been cracking bar owners and hitting them hard with overdue bills! L.a --- Don Makoviney wrote: > That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop > gives a damn. That > sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee > shop's part. > > Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops > (Starbucks, Tully's, Seattle's > Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no > problem. While a shop like > Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil > as part of their > marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with > making a buck selling > coffee because they are passionate about their > coffee. > > Passion sells in anything you do. You all should > know this as musicians. If > you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be > passionate about it. If > you are, even in the event of a tie between > Starbucks and the mom and pop, > most customers will spend the money in their > hometown store. > > DM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! > > At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > > For me the main thing is their predatory business > practice of opening > stores in the immediate vicinity of established > neighborhood coffee > shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with > stores to the point > where each one has reduced profitability, but the > company itself > still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of > "starving out" > the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the > customers. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 09:01:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79CxLs22708; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1092056338!18340653 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE09004E@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping Great passes away Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:53:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C47E0F.D08CBCB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>looping great and superfreak Rick James passed aw= ay of natural causes yesterday.<<

here's one of those spooky moments- I didn't know about r= ick's passing until about 30 seconds ago, but yesterday I was browsing my &= quot;rough guide to rock" & let it fall open at the entry for mc h= ammer.... where of course, mr james' contribution is duly noted.

I have to go find someone in VH-1 & have them run a g= raphic over "superfreak" later.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C47E0F.D08CBCB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 13:49:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79HkDT18817; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:44:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping Great passes away Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005e01c47cda$ce5d43f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 7, 2004, at 05:01 PM, loop.pool wrote: > looping great and superfreak Rick James passed away of natural causes > yesterday. > > his EDP work was exemplary. > > he will be missed. > > We were on the road this weekend, and had a gig Saturday night in Sandpoint, Idaho. In the middle of our free-jazz cover of Radiohead's "National Anthem," we merged into "Superfreak" spontaneously. It was a beautiful moment. It triggered more breakdancing than I suspect has been seen in Idaho for many years. With Rick gone, there's now a little piece of superfreak in all of us. To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, "We're all Rick James, bitch." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 14:40:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79IYZm28218; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: OT warning: autoexec spam Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:36:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Sorry for OT but I just received three mails fakedly denoted as coming from Bill Walker and other LD members. The mail contains a price.html and a price.exe executable which probably will install some nasty sh*t on your Windows box. Don't open. Delete without looking at it. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 14:41:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79IeIl29065; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:40:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: OT warning: autoexec spam Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <8gU28D.A.tDH.OT8FBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry again: The Subject line of those mails is empty. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Montag, 9. August 2004 20:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT warning: autoexec spam > > > Hi > > Sorry for OT but I just received three mails fakedly denoted as > coming from > Bill Walker and other LD members. > The mail contains a price.html and a price.exe executable which probably > will install some nasty sh*t on your Windows box. > > Don't open. Delete without looking at it. > > Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 15:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79Ju5K13695; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:56:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material in p Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:54:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 19:55:00.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0CA7570:01C47E4A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course, it depends on how the pre-recorded material is used. I'm going to assume you mean "playing a cd/tape of pre-recorded background music unaltered, and singing/playing over it." Generally that's frowned upon. Why? I can't answer for everyone, but here's my version: Some bands make great recordings, but those recordings don't translate well into live shows. Some bands to fantastic live shows, which translate to fairly ho-hum recordings. Both kinds can fall under the realm of "great bands". The problem is that these days most people expect all bands to be both, and that bands should play tracks from their cd when they play. When I see someone playing along to a cd backing track, so that they can sound like their recorded work, the first thought I get is, "This person is not ready to do a live show." That doesn't mean that such people should never perform live. One of the things that my involvement in the SF improvised music community has taught me is that you shouldn't feel required to play tracks from your cd. Improvise! Or compose something that works well as a show that might not be on a cd. Think of your show as what you can do with what you can bring. I get much more excited at a show where someone builds the musical background onstage before continuing with the song, even if it takes longer and sounds completely different from the cd. (Heck, more so if it sounds completely different.) I think a large part of it is witnessing the creative process on stage. That's what I'm there to see. It's a bummer when the everything's finished in advance. Don't do a show...send me a cd! Post an mp3! Sometimes pre-recorded material works great onstage, but usually when you still get to see the creative process happening. For example, when someone presents a work where they're live mixing several recordings. I'm sleepy, so I'm sorry if that didn't come out very coherent. Matt Davignon On 2004-08-08, at 01.31, Travis Hartnett wrote: >I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded >material when they play out, and what the audience response has been. I >know that some people assume that I'm playing over backing tracks from a CD >or something similar when I play (I don't), but I've never heard anything >negative from them about that idea (maybe the ones who disapprove just >don't talk to me). They're always a bit surprised when I explain how it's >all Live Looping, and sometimes I'll do a tune that's a combination >performance and talked-through demonstration on how it works. A friend of >mine has been doing open mics recently, playing live guitar over a CD-R of >backing tracks that he'd recorded (he's got a Johnson amp simulator, a >Tascam CD player and a little mixer all mounted on a music stand when he >plays, so it's just one cable out to the sound guy), and the musician's >union has yet to bust him (joke), and it aroused my curiousity as to how >widespread this sort of thing is outside karaoke bars. > >TravisH _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 16:55:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79Kn5u24708; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:49:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:49:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.56] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material in p Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:47:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 20:47:05.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[076EDAA0:01C47E52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First let me say that I have no problems with the use of “canned” parts, pre-recorded loops or sequences in a musical presentation. I have, in fact, been quite guilty of this in the past; sometimes using as many as three drum machines, sequencer, and pre-recorded loops burned onto a CD (a little trick borrowed from Rick). Yet, I no longer do this. In just about all aspects of my music (composition, improvisation, recording, performance), I continually ask myself one question: “why?”. Why am I using this phrase, scale, part, loop et al.? Why does this work.or why does it not work? And I think it important to ask ourselves this in relation to the use of canned tracks. Mark made some interesting points, and I think many have taken note of that. As to the separation of artistic statement and entertainment, let us not forget that the “show” element of what we do, music being the most intangible of art forms, is important and not really separate from our “artistic ambitions”. Technology, as we loopers are so aware of, has made it possible to do so much with sound. Yet, I am constantly reminded of that old saying, ‘just because you CAN do something does not mean you necessarily SHOULD”. So I ask, why do you want/need to use canned tracks? To flesh out arrangements? To perform as a one man band, and cover “all the bases”? Quite often technology makes is quite possible for mediocre music to be made which sounds quite good, yet on a little deeper listen runs parallel to “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. ProTools, Laptops, software pgms, drum machines etc. have made it totally possible for even the marginally talented to make really cool sounds, and in this course lower the bar considerably. Duke Ellington once said, “If it sounds good, it is good”. Yet sometimes “good” is just not good enough. My own experience has been that playing solo bass with loops captivated audiences. Even though many could not quite fathom what was being done (and at times a brief explanation of the process did help things along), the fact they could see/hear me making loops and playing to/with them was intriguing. It was a performance, albeit one quite unlike many had ever seen (face it..one guy playing bass and doing complete compositions is a bit… er…”different”). I did use drum loops and other sequenced bits, and when they would kick on a great number of the audience would lose attention. The machines, regardless of how cool they sound and tricks they can play, cannot replace the “humanity” and errors of something played. And, quite often, in performances, which rely heavily upon canned tracks, sequencers etc., there is a greater possibility of meltdown; the more things that can go wrong insure that some most certainly will. And, especially in my case, too many buttons and options kept my focus on the buttons and options and not on the music (ever notice how at many loop/sequence performances the performer seems totally mesmermerized by his/her own gear?). Simplicity is a really nice thing (eh, Ted?) In the world today audiences are inundated with performances, which rely quite heavily on sequencers, canned tracks etc. Concerts have become “spectacles”; perfected and entertaining yet retaining none of the idiosyncrasies which make music so endearing. And so, we now are witnessing a shift in popular tastes. Audience are once again clamoring for “real” performances, regardless of how high caliber the playing is, to once again feel “the magic”. This is what makes looping so unique. It is played. And, it does not have to an improvisational tool, although this is the road many of us take (and a fine road to take indeed). My dilemma was how to maintain the contact with audience. I began programming drum machines on the fly for performances (a nifty trick which someone with the skills of Rick Walker or Matt Davignon might be able to pull off better than I) which did captivate the audiences more..but was a little time consuming, and prone to “pilot error”. Then I began learning to play the drum parts, and other instrument mimicry, on my basses in real time as I looped the parts. This is a hit. No, my “bass drumming” does not sound as cool as a drum machine, but it works just as well…perhaps even better. As musicians it is easy for us to be awed by someone’s programming prowess, the cool filter treatments of sequencer et al, but that is really lost on an audience who merely wants music. My own take on things is that if I am a soloist, using loops, I embrace the limitations of the position. I will use those limitations to make music as richly as I can, without trying to sound like a complete orchestra (my own feelings here are an audience quickly becomes tired of hearing more sound than what they can fathom a single player can create). Along the way I learn more and more about both the complexities and simplicities of musical expression, develop skills and playing techniques, and learn to be more engaging as a performer. Yet, I must say, I greatly enjoy performances which do use canned tracks. Watching someone pull it all of, like Bill Walker (who uses a few “peater loops on card), is exhilarating and inspiring ( Bill would be both of those just alone with an acoustic gtr…heck, for that matter a dulcimer!). If the use of tracks is your “calling” then by all means proceed….with all the wit, passion and knowledge you can muster. But, to be fair, first ask yourself, “why?”. A little more than my $.02 Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 17:06:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79L3WT30496; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:03:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:04:49 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Using pre-recorded material in performance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'm curious as to how many people are using some form of pre-recorded > material when they play out, and what the audience response has been. > I know that some people assume that I'm playing over backing tracks > from a CD or something similar when I play (I don't), but I've never > heard anything negative from them about that idea (maybe the ones who > disapprove just don't talk to me). They're always a bit surprised when > I explain how it's all Live Looping, and sometimes I'll do a tune > that's a combination performance and talked-through demonstration on > how it works. A friend of mine has been doing open mics recently, > playing live guitar over a CD-R of backing tracks that he'd recorded > (he's got a Johnson amp simulator, a Tascam CD player and a little > mixer all mounted on a music stand when he plays, so it's just one > cable out to the sound guy), and the musician's union has yet to bust > him (joke), and it aroused my curiousity as to how widespread this sort > of thing is outside karaoke bars. > > TravisH I don't use anything pre-recorded myself. Some of the people I've played with like using CDs or other sources of sound effects, chants, or environmental noises as background layers. I will confess to keeping a loop from the most recent practice session in the RC-20 or Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky when going to a show. I keep that loop around for emergencies: if something goes wrong I can trigger that loop (assuming it fits what I/we're doing at the time), and swap instruments, replace a bad cable, or take five seconds to recover my derailed brain and get back into playing. I don't think I've ever used it, but it's insurance. My preference towards live performance looping extends to the placement of my loopers in my signal chain - they're all at the end, just before the amp. I've tried using a looper at the beginning of the signal chain, capturing the unmodified sound of my instrument (Chapman Stick or theremin), but I just don't seem to have as much fun tweaking the effects to modify the saved raw sample as when I'm modifying what I'm playing live, then capturing the effected result and looping that. I hope that this ramble made some kind of sense. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 17:07:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79L6Jf31493; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:06:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:05:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playing live? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't, but when you find it, let me know and I'll stop by, listen and say hi... Best, Todd On 8/8/04 9:39 AM, "steve.sandberg" wrote: > Hello all, > I've been possessed with a desire to take my looping to the streets of NYC! > Does anyone know of a good portable (hopefully inexpensive) electrical > supply that I could use? I'd like something that could let me play for 3 or > 4 hours, and I'd be plugging in an amplifier, 2 synth modules, a kaos pad, a > samson wireless mic and an edp - > thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 17:08:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79L6IY31475; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:04:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9C7D4D44-E926-11D8-AE8B-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, can you explain this little more thouroughly? I don't completely understand. Warp markers I understand of course, but ''You simply add a "time warp mark" for every second > measure" got me... Thanks a lot. Todd On 8/8/04 6:35 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Long files can be prepared in Live for perfect time-stretching during > tempo changes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 17:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79LL2S03048; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <006101c47df7$904fcec0$0407a8c0@stephen> References: <008c01c47d7b$4bdd4be0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3E58132E-E9BA-11D8-9BC1-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <006101c47df7$904fcec0$0407a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: looping great passes away Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:19:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 9, 2004, at 4:59 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > I don't know if I'd call Isaac "bad ass lock-tight groove" though. > For the > definition of that one can turn to other sources, most notably James > Brown's > "start on the One" style. hmm. I have the JBs' double-disc instrumental comp, a JB live album, and a JB compilation. I am familiar with James Brown, and I have a lot of love for what he does. however, my personal gravity is in the soul music of the Memphis labels (STAX, Hi) and the some of the smaller and ghetto jazz labels (Prestige, Groove Merchant, Flying Dutchman, Solid State; not too hot on Muse and i'm always on the prowl for even rarer stuff). this is where the real grit is, IMHO. fortunately gravity is inarguable and entirely subjective. > One could also buy the collection of Charles > Wright & the Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band, whose "Do Your Thing" > predates > Isaac Hayes' song - you might have heard it during the "80s party" > scene in Boogie Nights i just checked that out. from what you said, i thought that the Hayes tune was a cover. it is not, it's a completely different song. and i like the lyrics and the groove better in the Memphis tune. it's a personal resonating point for me ... "whatever you do, you gotta do your thing" is an extremely powerful statement to me ... and a good time to get all Blessing Of Tears over top the groove. side note: there's an amazing track on the Truck Turner soundtrack called "Pursuit of the Pimpmobile" which sounds TOTALLY like LTJ Bukem, without the huge tuned 808 bass. i wanted to see what that sounded like, so i used it as a Numerology demo ( http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stg_pimpmobile_unfinished.mp3 ). i still want to finish that sometime. > Or perhaps additionally the irrefutable George > Clinton/Funkadelic/Parliament ongoing thang that also undoubtedly > inspired > Mr. Hayes to do his stuff, though he won't most likely these days > admit such > a thing. I really don't think that GC inspired Isaac from the get-go. i think it was the other way round. remember, Isaac was a songwriter for Sam & Dave as well as being Booker T Jones' sub when necessary. i do not doubt that Isaac listened to and was influenced by GC stuff in some way at some point, but that's really like comparing apples to orangutans. GC does highly repetitious drug-influenced busy soul music, while Hayes concentrated on building moods with arrangement, groove, and lyric choice. he did his fair share of covers, but remember he spent his early career at STAX writing songs for other people ... i'm sure he felt it was appropriate to reverse the situation sometimes. in other words, there are PLENTY of people who feel that "funk" is defined by James Brown & George Clinton (along with their shared bassist, Bootsy Collins). I don't have to be one of them. and i'm perfectly fine with that ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 17:50:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79LnFK08303; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040809214900.36395.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material in p To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-Ch4dB.A.9AC.RF_FBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have mixed feelings about this,i have friends that went to see Beck for example and said"well he sounds way different that his albums and i didn´t like that".Somehow they were expecting the sounds which they are acquainted with or Beck wasn´t convincing enough that night, and they perhaps thought that live he can´t pull it.Bowie for example is known for his great shows and ive heard in the 90s he used a lot of pre recorded sequences. i think is really a matter of profesionality and fullfilling different peoples expectations regardless of what you use, which is soemtimes quite hard to acomplish if you try too much... L.a > cd when they play. When I > see someone playing along to a cd backing track, so > that they can sound like > their recorded work, the first thought I get is, > "This person is not ready > to do a live show." > > That doesn't mean that such people should never > perform live. One of the > things that my involvement in the SF improvised > music community has taught > me is that you shouldn't feel required to play > tracks from your cd. > Improvise! Or compose something that works well as a > show that might not be > on a cd. Think of your show as what you can do with > what you can bring. > > I get much more excited at a show where someone > builds the musical > background onstage before continuing with the song, > even if it takes longer > and sounds completely different from the cd. (Heck, > more so if it sounds > completely different.) > > I think a large part of it is witnessing the > creative process on stage. > That's what I'm there to see. It's a bummer when the > everything's finished > in advance. Don't do a show...send me a cd! Post an > mp3! > > Sometimes pre-recorded material works great onstage, > but usually when you > still get to see the creative process happening. For > example, when someone > presents a work where they're live mixing several > recordings. > > I'm sleepy, so I'm sorry if that didn't come out > very coherent. > > Matt Davignon > > On 2004-08-08, at 01.31, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >I'm curious as to how many people are using some > form of pre-recorded > >material when they play out, and what the audience > response has been. I > >know that some people assume that I'm playing over > backing tracks from a CD > >or something similar when I play (I don't), but > I've never heard anything > >negative from them about that idea (maybe the ones > who disapprove just > >don't talk to me). They're always a bit surprised > when I explain how it's > >all Live Looping, and sometimes I'll do a tune > that's a combination > >performance and talked-through demonstration on how > it works. A friend of > >mine has been doing open mics recently, playing > live guitar over a CD-R of > >backing tracks that he'd recorded (he's got a > Johnson amp simulator, a > >Tascam CD player and a little mixer all mounted on > a music stand when he > >plays, so it's just one cable out to the sound > guy), and the musician's > >union has yet to bust him (joke), and it aroused my > curiousity as to how > >widespread this sort of thing is outside karaoke > bars. > > > >TravisH > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events > for advice on how to > get there! > http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 18:20:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79MHl514294; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:17:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:17:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Using long backtrack files in Live (was: Re: Using pre-recorded material in performance) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:16:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, When I wrote "time warp mark" i meant "warp markers". I was using quotation marks because I was not sure about the exact word and didn't have the possibility to open Live or its manual to check out the the proper term. I was just hoping that you should understand, but anyway... now you know what I meant. BTW, here's an excellent tutorial that can explain the method in detail: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=tutorials&sub=tips0504 All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-08-09, at 23.04, todd reynolds wrote: > Per, can you explain this little more thouroughly? I don't completely > understand. Warp markers I understand of course, but ''You simply add a > "time warp mark" for every second >> measure" got me... > > Thanks a lot. > > Todd > > On 8/8/04 6:35 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> Long files can be prepared in Live for perfect time-stretching during >> tempo changes. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 18:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i79MpLg21200; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <1cf.281cd625.2e49597a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:49:30 EDT Subject: Digitech PMC-10 expert? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1cf.281cd625.2e49597a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1cf.281cd625.2e49597a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyone on this list who is an expert at programming a digitech PMC-10 and who happens to live within striking distance of Washington DC? Please let me know - I could use some help programming it and will pay for your time. 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--0-1536705883-1092091672=:11346-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 20:27:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A0P1W07786; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:25:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:25:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:38:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And i've had that coffee at Richard's and it tastes better than a starbucks I can assure you... But I have to fly to get there... T. On 8/6/04 9:02 PM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 11:31 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote: > >> PS: Being from LA, I thought you'd see the need for a store on every >> corner...seeing as there are these 'don't walk on the sidewalk' >> rules:). My friends from LA wont even go two blocks at the beach >> without crying for a car. > > It's more like one every half mile in my extended neighborhood > (Sherman Oaks, Encino, Studio City) but here in Bel-Air Starbucks is > the only option. I go there maybe once every two months. If I'm in > Sherman Oaks I'll go to a little place where they roast their own > beans, if on the West Side or Studio City I'll go to Peets. We have > an espresso maker at home, so I brew my own Peets every morning and I > almost never have coffee later in the day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 21:00:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A0x2j15736; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: More Coffee, Warden? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:58:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcR+cLwSzbN+ruhLQ4WGKA00XWzqjAAA/+YA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040810005832.PKSN8102.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I was living in this neighborhood and got a chance to hang with Andre La Fosse for a hour or so, it was at one of these same Starbucks. On 8/6/04 9:02 PM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 11:31 AM -0700 8/6/04, Sony Felberg wrote: > >> PS: Being from LA, I thought you'd see the need for a store on every >> corner...seeing as there are these 'don't walk on the sidewalk' >> rules:). My friends from LA wont even go two blocks at the beach >> without crying for a car. > > It's more like one every half mile in my extended neighborhood > (Sherman Oaks, Encino, Studio City) but here in Bel-Air Starbucks is > the only option. I go there maybe once every two months. If I'm in > Sherman Oaks I'll go to a little place where they roast their own > beans, if on the West Side or Studio City I'll go to Peets. We have an > espresso maker at home, so I brew my own Peets every morning and I > almost never have coffee later in the day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 22:00:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A1vsq29087; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c47e7f$18411000$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: , References: <007401c45248$d4164a10$6401a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:09:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism VideoI'm viewing/listening to Krispen's DVD at the moment. Wow! I'd say it is like being back in high school, looking thru a microscope in Biology...but...this is different. Very. I'll maybe have some dreams about it tonight, but it's worth it! Cool music, groovy visual effects. Thanks, Krispen - looks like you put a lot of work into this! (I went out to get the mail, and usually nothing cool is for me, just my wife...but today was different!) David I think it's mostly available to view at: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I shared, both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have another horrific and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even more interesting video effects. See the last video, "The Probe," at this page: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm I was able to synchronize some of the video effects with my looped guitar piece, which in this case is a very minimalistic intro of a longer song from my CD, using the acoustic guitar, delay, reverb, and the Boomerang. I wish I could share the 60MB version with you. The music quality and video resolution are much better. I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole DVD's worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no charge)..later this summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are interested, and I'll put you on the list. I can probably handle sending 20 or so. Regards, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 23:00:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A2xKd10751; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:59:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:59:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040810025856.54424.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: barry smith Subject: Re: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playing live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Todd, Check out the power supply called the Far Outlet from www.galaxyaudio.com. Haven't used it, but it seems to be designed for audio, rather than electric toothbrushes or garden tools!! Fullcompass.com has them for about $360. Pricey, but you've got real gear, don't go with junk! Barry Smith --- todd reynolds wrote: > I don't, but when you find it, let me know and I'll > stop by, listen and say > hi... > > Best, > > Todd > > On 8/8/04 9:39 AM, "steve.sandberg" > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I've been possessed with a desire to take my > looping to the streets of NYC! > > Does anyone know of a good portable (hopefully > inexpensive) electrical > > supply that I could use? I'd like something that > could let me play for 3 or > > 4 hours, and I'd be plugging in an amplifier, 2 > synth modules, a kaos pad, a > > samson wireless mic and an edp - > > thanks! > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 23:09:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A36L212781; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:06:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:06:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040810030507.3125.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: barry smith Subject: Re: Anyone know of any good portable electrical supplies for playing live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040810025856.54424.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2Zw7k.A.fAD.ktDGBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry, the last post was for Steve Sandberg. Good luck --- barry smith wrote: > Hey Todd, > Check out the power supply called the Far Outlet > from www.galaxyaudio.com. Haven't used it, but it > seems to be designed for audio, rather than electric > toothbrushes or garden tools!! Fullcompass.com has > them for about $360. Pricey, but you've got real > gear, don't go with junk! > Barry Smith > --- todd reynolds wrote: > > > I don't, but when you find it, let me know and > I'll > > stop by, listen and say > > hi... > > > > Best, > > > > Todd > > > > On 8/8/04 9:39 AM, "steve.sandberg" > > wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > I've been possessed with a desire to take my > > looping to the streets of NYC! > > > Does anyone know of a good portable (hopefully > > inexpensive) electrical > > > supply that I could use? I'd like something > that > > could let me play for 3 or > > > 4 hours, and I'd be plugging in an amplifier, 2 > > synth modules, a kaos pad, a > > > samson wireless mic and an edp - > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 9 23:14:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A3CRc15676; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:12:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material in p Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040809214900.36395.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:12:13 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Professionality and fulfilling different people's expectations Like I said (or at least meant) in an earlier cryptic post, I really think it's all in the delivery and to what level the artist has mastered his or her craft. If an artist can take an audience into the zone I think that's quite an accomplishment no matter how it was achieved. But if the audience feels mislead in some way it's over, so keeping it real is important. I'd have to agree that the more "live" a thing can be the more alive it will feel. Your comment about Beck seemed like a good example of "not alive". Maybe it was a bad night for him like you said. I never got to see The Propellerheads perform live (Alex Gifford & Will White), but apparently they used a lot of pre-recorded loops. They spun acetate recordings of their own playing (drums, bass, B3, Novation) and switched back and forth between instruments and DJing. I read that it was intense to watch and very entertaining. They're both exceptional musicians anyway, but to pull that off smoothly and still be entertaining is wild. Their "decksandrumsandrockandroll" album always sounded organic to me even though it's constructed of tons of loops of their own playing... no sequencing, just loops them playing their own instruments plus realtime material on top. But it's thick and intense, and hard to drive the speed limit when listening in the car. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 10 04:25:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7A8NpL11881; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Benhard's music Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:25:46 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, did it. Thanks, Mark, for pointing it out. I don't have iTunes because I lack the mac for it. But Winamp has the ability as well. Or Perl module MP3::Info for that matter... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Sent: Samstag, 7. August 2004 19:40 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Benhard's music > > > If possible, please set the metadata tags on your MP3s. I think iTunes > will let you do that. > > Thanks. > Mark > > On Aug 6, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > Sure! How about some mooziq?! > > > > Two mp3 snippets of a post cambridge loopfest jam with Michael > > Bearpark. > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track2.mp3 (4.4 MB) > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MBBW_CD2_Track8.mp3 (5.3 MB) > > > > Bernhard > > > >> > >> Can we please get back to looping, the music it creates or is > >> influenced by > >> and even the gear, for god's sake? > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 10 07:52:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ABp1J18260; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:50:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Portable electric supplies - what do you guys think of this one? From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408092150.i79LoGe08477@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this on the net -- http://innovativeoutdoortechnologies.com/brunton_main.html scroll down to the "solo" -- not being an electronics person, i'm not sure if it would work for me - again, i want to power 2 synth modules, a kaos pad, a wireless mic, and an amp for a few hours to play in the streets -- this one's only 10 pounds! anyone have an opinion? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 10 08:42:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ACfbr31917; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Portable electric supplies - what do you guys think of this one? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7ACfGh31812 Resent-Message-ID: <2Hsr1.A.VxH.tJMGBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This one seems to be the ticket.... http://www.galaxyaudio.com/galaxy/Products4.html#PERSONAL%20POWER šOn 8/10/04 7:50 AM, "steve.sandberg" wrote: > I found this on the net -- > http://innovativeoutdoortechnologies.com/brunton_main.html > scroll down to the "solo" -- > not being an electronics person, i'm not sure if it would work for me - > again, i want to power 2 synth modules, a kaos pad, a wireless mic, and an > amp for a few hours to play in the streets -- > this one's only 10 pounds! > anyone have an opinion? > thanks > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 12:12:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BG9Iq02261; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping with Battery powered laptop Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:07:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcR+17ySVkAAOZArRYGvVssAZaq32AA5Kq+A In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040811160714.EBTH24147.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- I got the Echo Indigo for my HP laptop, so I thought I'd try Ambiloop with it. Here are first impressions-- It works great! I've got the latency way down (3 ms) and am using the MIDI Mouse to trigger record etc., so it can all be battery powered. Ambiloop has never crashed on this system--I'm using 1.50 third release--way to go Chris and Chris! I will still need an amp, but I have a couple of battery powered amps, and am using the ME-30 for battery powered effects. I am eventually going to try using a more fully featured MIDI pedal so I can control loop volume and feedback, but that's for later--I have not yet taken this setup into "the field", but will report back. Coffee and tea, and the looper and me . . . A cup a cup a cup a cup a cup-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 12:22:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BGGVl04954; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:16:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:16:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: Something must be wrong Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:15:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <3tFFJB.A.ELB.DZkGBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By now I've usually recieved about 30 emails from the loopers-delight list. So far today - nothing. Have I somehow unintentionally unsubscribed? Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 12:23:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BGIjt05552; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Something must be wrong Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:18:28 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7034916CF@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Something must be wrong Thread-Index: AcR/vpKW74RkrP5WSUGCCGBV0ylkDQAABVww From: "Alen Cileli" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7BGISh05458 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe everyone decided to go join a coffee discussion forum instead :-) -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Evans [mailto:jeff@sccadv.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Something must be wrong By now I've usually recieved about 30 emails from the loopers-delight list. So far today - nothing. Have I somehow unintentionally unsubscribed? Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 12:25:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BGKCs05972; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408111619.i7BGJvh05877@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Something must be wrong Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:19:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcR/vtsftGEqYBwGSfGZBJn0AT/VEAAACRtw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7PakxC.A.KcB.uckGBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Vacation time I guess??? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Evans [mailto:jeff@sccadv.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Something must be wrong By now I've usually recieved about 30 emails from the loopers-delight list. So far today - nothing. Have I somehow unintentionally unsubscribed? Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 12:40:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BGZUx10529; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200408111619.i7BGJvh05877@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408111619.i7BGJvh05877@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <434DEDC5-EBB4-11D8-B36C-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Something must be wrong Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:34:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <42tBwB.A.1fC.CqkGBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on two different lists right now, and have previously been on a few others. I have to say that up until today (which I'm sure is a fluke), the LD list was BY FAR the most engaged group of people I've ever come across on a list serve. But today, the Chicago Beer Society list reigns supreme! Jeff Evans On Aug 11, 2004, at 11:19 AM, AK wrote: > Vacation time I guess??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Evans [mailto:jeff@sccadv.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Something must be wrong > > By now I've usually recieved about 30 emails from the loopers-delight > list. > So far today - nothing. Have I somehow unintentionally unsubscribed? > > Jeff Evans > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 12:48:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BGkK812908; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:46:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:46:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:42:15 EDT Subject: Re: Something must be wrong To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d9.11925e7a.2e4ba667_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 Resent-Message-ID: <14qN1.A.EBD.8xkGBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d9.11925e7a.2e4ba667_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/11/2004 10:16:13 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jeff@sccadv.com writes: > Have I somehow unintentionally > unsubscribed? > With all due respect Mr. Evans, on a list where even the most sincerely interested and technically adept individuals struggle for days with the process of emancipation from the nature of the loop, countless e-mails pleading with the list at large to be let go, personal e-mails to Mr. Flint asking him to commute their sentence, none of which achieves them actual freedom from the list........you seem to believe you can actually just "unintentionally unsubscribe" !?!?! The sheer audacity of such a claim is almost beyond one's comprehension.:^) bryan helm (unemployed ,not on vacation) --part1_d9.11925e7a.2e4ba667_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/11/2004 10:16:= 13 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jeff@sccadv.com writes:

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With all due respect Mr. Evans, on a list where even the most sincerely inte= rested and technically adept individuals struggle for days with the process=20= of emancipation from the nature of the loop, countless e-mails pleading with= the list at large to be let go, personal e-mails to Mr. Flint asking him to= commute their sentence, none of which achieves them actual freedom from the= list........you seem to believe you can actually just "unintentionally unsu= bscribe" !?!?! The sheer audacity of such a claim is almost beyond one's com= prehension.:^)

            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            bryan h= elm
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            (unempl= oyed ,not on vacation) --part1_d9.11925e7a.2e4ba667_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 13:49:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BHmEd00856; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: unintentionally unsubscribed? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:47:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcR/wx+t+LT+gerwToyYi3hEe3iJsAAB72dw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040811174725.FUXG17968.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It has happened in the past--but no, it's just slow. Best to all, Gary "Relay" Lehmann, man From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 16:45:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BKfYo28697; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d04081113407a5d1f87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:40:05 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with Battery powered laptop In-Reply-To: <20040811160714.EBTH24147.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040811160714.EBTH24147.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool! Now if only Ambiloop were a VST it would work so well inside EnergyXT or Audiomulch. Apparently porting it as a VST is a long term goal. . . On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:07:09 -0700, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi-- > I got the Echo Indigo for my HP laptop, so I thought I'd try Ambiloop with > it. Here are first impressions-- > It works great! I've got the latency way down (3 ms) and am using the MIDI > Mouse to trigger record etc., so it can all be battery powered. Ambiloop > has never crashed on this system--I'm using 1.50 third release--way to go > Chris and Chris! I will still need an amp, but I have a couple of battery > powered amps, and am using the ME-30 for battery powered effects. > I am eventually going to try using a more fully featured MIDI pedal so I can > control loop volume and feedback, but that's for later--I have not yet taken > this setup into "the field", but will report back. > Coffee and tea, and the looper and me . . . A cup a cup a cup a cup a cup-- > Gary > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 17:50:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BLhAU16863; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:43:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.2772b497.2e4becc3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:42:27 EDT Subject: OT: Adhesive for glass fretboard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1092260547" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1092260547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a post from somebody building a glass fingerboard to stick on their guitar neck. If that individual (or anybody else) knows what adhesive to glue the glass fingerboard onto the guitar neck please e-mail me off list. Thanks, James -------------------------------1092260547 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  There was a post from somebody building a glass fingerboard to s= tick on their guitar neck. If that individual (or anybody else) knows what a= dhesive to glue the glass fingerboard onto the guitar neck please e-mail me=20= off list.
   
   
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;         Thanks, James
-------------------------------1092260547-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 17:55:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7BLsS719125; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c47fef$31571b40$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <1e4.2772b497.2e4becc3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Adhesive for glass fretboard Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:04:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C47FB4.841620A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C47FB4.841620A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any info on good glue should be widely shared! Dav ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: OT: Adhesive for glass fretboard There was a post from somebody building a glass fingerboard to stick = on their guitar neck. If that individual (or anybody else) knows what = adhesive to glue the glass fingerboard onto the guitar neck please = e-mail me off list.=20 =20 =20 Thanks, James ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C47FB4.841620A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any info on good = glue should be=20 widely shared!
 
Dav
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  There was a post from somebody building a glass = fingerboard to=20 stick on their guitar neck. If that individual (or anybody else) knows = what=20 adhesive to glue the glass fingerboard onto the guitar neck please = e-mail me=20 off list.
   
   
           =20             =    =20             =    =20             Thanks, James =
------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C47FB4.841620A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 11 20:41:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7C0dPt22859; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <009101c47fef$31571b40$0200a8c0@audiows> References: <1e4.2772b497.2e4becc3@aol.com> <009101c47fef$31571b40$0200a8c0@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Adhesive for glass fretboard Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:38:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7C0d9h22725 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com glass to wood is a fairly difficult bond. I can say from experience that you DON'T want to use silicone, epoxy or cyanoacrylate (super glue). Polyurethane glue is supposed to work, but the foaming kind could be disastrously messy on a guitar. My best recommendation would be hot-melt polyurethane (Titebond HI-PURformer). I've been using this stuff for about a year now and it has worked for everything from sticking cable hangers to the side of a rack to repairing an outdoor garden gate. No, I am not endorsing this for any personal gain, I just like sticking things together. The red tubes are multi-purpose, the green and yellow are for wood only. The kit with the special heat gun is an investment, but if like me you have a shelf full of half-wasted glues of every other variety, it's worth it. more info at: http://www.titebond.com/IntroPageTB.ASP? UserType=1&ProdSel=ProductCategoryTB.asp?prodcat=5 (now if I could just find something that sticks to copper, I could go back on topic.) -Alex S. On Aug 11, 2004, at 3:04 PM, .David.Auker. wrote: > Any info on good glue should be widely shared! >   > Dav > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:42 PM > Subject:OT: Adhesive for glass fretboard > >   There was a post from somebody building a glass fingerboard to stick > on their guitar neck. If that individual (or anybody else) knows what > adhesive to glue the glass fingerboard onto the guitar neck please > e-mail me off list. >     >     >                                                         Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 09:13:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CDAif19016; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1092316162!18512361 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557BA3@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using pre-recorded material on stage Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4806C.C151BFC0" Resent-Message-ID: <8-oLs.A.NnE.Kw2GBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4806C.C151BFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my band sometimes attempts a "recital" of an album track on stage, for the purposes of warming ourselves & the audience up, prior to getting down to the real business of improv. but then we're a space-rock jazz electronica soundscape sort of act, so it goes with the territory. we store approximations of the sequencer lines, which we have to work out from scratch for the older pieces by listening to the albums. this is done in such a way that they can be altered after they start playing (as indeed they do on the albums)..... so a live version of a piece will start off just-about recognisable & then go off in it's own direction. some of the pieces start with a non-rhythmic noise section, or a chord sequence; I might use the repeater to capture a free-standing loop from the album itself & we use this as the basis for the start of the stage-version of the piece. it's difficult to predict an audience's expectations of a live-set; my guitarist went to see one of these big-ass professional arena-filling acts recently (chili peppers, I think) &, while the bulk of the crowd was in rapture, he was wondering why he hadn't just stayed home with the cd. I think you have to give 'em a bit of both: accurate recitals. improvisations. solos that are note-for-note the same as the album. other solos that go on for hours & are full of bum-notes & real expression. po-faced concentration. humorous interludes. or you can just get up there & shake y'r thang & think "if they don't like it, f*ck 'em". personally, I think that's the best attitude. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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my band sometimes attempts a "recital" of an al= bum track on stage, for the purposes of warming ourselves & the audienc= e up, prior to getting down to the real business of improv.

but then we're a space-rock jazz electronica soundscape s= ort of act, so it goes with the territory.

we store approximations of the sequencer lines, which we = have to work out from scratch for the older pieces by listening to the albu= ms. this is done in such a way that they can be altered after they start pl= aying (as indeed they do on the albums).....

so a live version of a piece will start off just-about re= cognisable & then go off in it's own direction.
some of the pieces start with a non-rhythmic noise secti= on, or a chord sequence; I might use the repeater to capture a free-standin= g loop from the album itself & we use this as the basis for the start o= f the stage-version of the piece.

it's difficult to predict an audience's expectations of a= live-set; my guitarist went to see one of these big-ass professional arena= -filling acts recently (chili peppers, I think) &, while the bulk of th= e crowd was in rapture, he was wondering why he hadn't just stayed home wit= h the cd.

I think you have to give 'em a bit of both: accurate reci= tals. improvisations. solos that are note-for-note the same as the album. o= ther solos that go on for hours & are full of bum-notes & real expr= ession. po-faced concentration. humorous interludes.

or you can just get up there & shake y'r thang & = think "if they don't like it, f*ck 'em". personally, I think that= 's the best attitude.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4806C.C151BFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 14:46:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CIhWu09674; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:43:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:43:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:42:34 -0400 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Austin Texas gig spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <74DA7DF7.4DAEF615.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 139.161.2.10 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be performing solo,looping guitar this Saturday night the 14th (10:30 pm.) at "The Church of the Friendly Ghost" http://www.churchofthefriendlyghost.com/ Bands are: bahrain,missioanary,louie the poodle eater and myself. Show starts at 8pm and there is a $5 cover. See you there, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 15:41:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CJbTW18548; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:37:36 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Mobius, an EDP emulator To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't want to say anything until I was farther along, but it's going to be increasingly obvious from my questions. I'm writing a Loop IV EDP emulator. The the architecture is fairly stable now, and I'm in the testing and bug fixing stage. Let me know if you're interested in details. I hope to make it available in a few weeks but I've got a long test plan to get through and I wanted to get feedback on some behavior that I don't fully understand. I don't have an EDP, I've been relying solely on the manual so I'm sure I've misinterpreted some things and missed some others. I appreciate the support that has been provided so far. I hope this is viewed as a positive thing. I'm not trying to compete with the EDP and I have no illusions of making any money from this. It will be free and I promise to publish the source code when I can no longer maintain it properly. I plan to call it Mobius. I wanted to start with an EDP emulation because its, well, amazing. But I hope to evolve it to include other looping and live-performance features. It's stereo, has unlimited memory, and you can run more than one instance at the same time and switch control between them. For example, you can set up a drone in one instance, "Next Looper" over to another where you build up a solo loop, they both play at the same time, and you can bounce between them. Precise synchronization is still a problem, but will be addressed. I've been focusing on the engine so the UI is very crude. It's better than an LED, but not much. Everything can be controlled with MIDI. It is a standalone application but I will be making it a VST. The following features will not be supported initially because they're...um...hard. Synchronization Event "gravity" Loop/Delay InterfaceMode Loop Windowing Long presses Synchronization will be the next major task. Then VST. I've chosen a memory architecture that is good for many things but makes Loop Windowing very difficult, I'm not sure when I'll get to that. Long presses aren't really necessary, but they're not that hard either. Event "gravity" is the term I'm using for the way the EDP automatically quantizes button presses if you hit them within a few hundred milliseconds of a quantization boundary. Some of these are documented but I'm sure there are others. Everything else in the manual with the exception of things that are obviously hardware related should be supported as far as I know. A list of questions is attached, I appreciate any answers, advice, (or warnings :-) you may have. Thanks, Jeff Larson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Are InsertMode=Replace and InsertMode=Substitute always SUS functions? When you set StartPoint, does the loop revert to a single cycle like unrounded multiply or do the cycles just become shorter? When waiting for a quantized SUS operation (Replace, Substitute) where both the start and end times have been quantized, does the "Escaping Quantization" concept on 4-38 apply? If yes: If the function then starts immediately, when does it end? If the down transition triggers the escape, is the "dangling" up transition ignored? If you have passed the function start point and are waiting for the quantized stop point, will initiating the function again (down transition) escape the stop point and stop immediately? What happens to the dangling up transition? When you are in Rehearse mode, must you end the mode with Insert or are all of the other Insert alternate endings available? For sustained buttons and SUS MIDI commands, are alternate ending functions allowed during the sustain or must you end the sustain with the default ending? Text on 5-45 suggests no, this is only possible with SUSOverdub. Are SUSRoundInsert and SUSRoundMultiply like InsertMode=Sustain except that they don't perform unrounded insert/multiply and restructure the loop? If InsertMode=Sustain, the end of the unrounded insert is subject to quantization. When ending an unsustained Insert with Record, is the Record subject to quantization or will it always happen immediately? When you enter the quantize period after ending an Insert, is the insert end subject to undo? Presumably this means that you drop back into Insert mode and continue. If you were in the RoundMode=Off period of silence insertion, the audio that would have been recorded during that time will actually be recorded. Text on page 5-11 says that when Quantize=On then RoundMode is ignored when ending the Insert. What if Quantize=SubCycle, wouldn't the end of the record be quantized to an 8th boundary, then silence until the end of the cycle? If you are in overdub, enter a new layer, then undo back to the previous layer, are you still in overdub? When you are in the quantize period after SwitchQuant=Loop, will Undo cause immediate switch like it does in SwitchQuant=Confirm, or will it cancel the switch? When record threshold is non-zero, and you switch to an empty loop with AutoRecord=On, do you pause for the threshold or just charge ahead? Are Replace, Substitute, Reverse, and Speed confirming actions during the switch quantize period, or just Insert? If you Reverse shortly after the beginning of a loop and then return to the beginning, is this considered the end of a "pass" for the purposes of feedback and undo? When stacking loops with SamplerStyle=Once and NextLoop, text says "when the second loop finishes playing one more time". Do we really play the loop we return to all over again even if SwitchQuant != Loop and we switch in the middle? When Velocity=On, and a loop is triggered, how long does the attenuation last? Is this effectively the same as moving the Output knob or does it get reset after another event. Does MultiIncrease work when InsertMode=Sustain? Does each down/up transition add another cycle? Is Rehearse mode possible when RecorddMode=Sustain? How do you perform the Insert alternating ending? Error: 5-65 Using Substitute: third bullet should be "InsertMode=Sub" Error: 5-33 Reverse alternate ending. Phrase "immediately toggle Overdub mode" should be "immediately toggle Reverse mode". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 16:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CKIYJ27008; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> References: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <95E6A4FE-EC9C-11D8-B813-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius, an EDP emulator Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:17:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, Very interesting! There were some parts I didn't understand fully and would like to ask about: On Aug 12, 2004, at 9:37 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > include other looping and live-performance features. It's stereo, - Is it possible to loop a mono instrument and maybe let the output go through some stereo treatments? (panning? effect bus send?) > and you can run more than one instance at the same > time and switch control between them. - Can these multiple Mobius instances play back simultaneously? - Can these multiple Mobius instances be of different loop lengths? - What OS does Mobius run under? - Will the different instances of the VST, opened on different channels in a host application, be able to use different settings? Regarding your questions I need to take some time before being able to answer back, because really don't use all of those EDP features. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 16:27:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CKOXN27910; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:24:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <411BD1E3.6010106@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:24:03 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP: Undoing SUSUnRoundedMultiply References: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7945e408e6b4a20213dd286e9d97d6fced350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.197.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometimes I do SUSUnRoundedMultiplies and botch them. Is there a way to undo and get back to the original loop? Pressing Undo at this point just moves the Loop Window back. I usually copy the loop before I do a SUSUnRoundedMultiply, just in case I blow it, but that takes footwork and time. It would be nice to be able to just restore the original loop with one command. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 17:34:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CLWe406746; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:32:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:34:07 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius, an EDP emulator In-reply-to: <95E6A4FE-EC9C-11D8-B813-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <411BE24F.1030500@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> <95E6A4FE-EC9C-11D8-B813-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > - Is it possible to loop a mono instrument and maybe let the output go > through some stereo treatments? (panning? effect bus send?) Not now, but yes, I would like to support an effects bus of some kind. If possible, it would be a VST host and you could patch effects in at various points. I don't know much about VST yet so I'm not sure how hard that would be. I could probably build in panning and multi-tap delay, but I know nothing about DSP so anything more complicated would have to be done with a plugin. > - Can these multiple Mobius instances play back simultaneously? Yes. > - Can these multiple Mobius instances be of different loop lengths? Yes. Right now they are completely independent, it's as if you had several EDPs fed from the same input. They share the same preset but they have independent feedback. I'm working on synchronization options where you could do something like LoopCopy=Timing during the switch to get the loopers at the same loop length. But you could then Multiply in one and leave the other as it was. > - What OS does Mobius run under? Sorry, I know you use a Mac, but it only runs on the PC. I'm trying to limit OS dependencies where I can (I use PortAudio) but I don't have the ability to do a Mac port right now. Once it stabilizes I may open-source it so that others can try. > - Will the different instances of the VST, opened on different > channels in a host application, be able to use different settings? I don't know much about VST at the programming level yet, but I would expect yes. Thanks for your interest, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 12 18:10:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7CM9LT11907; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:09:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:09:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:47:03 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP: Undoing SUSUnRoundedMultiply In-reply-to: <411BD1E3.6010106@neoprimitive.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <411BE557.8090906@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> <411BD1E3.6010106@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Sometimes I do SUSUnRoundedMultiplies and botch them. Is there a way > to undo and get back to the original loop? Pressing Undo at this > point just moves the Loop Window back. > > I usually copy the loop before I do a SUSUnRoundedMultiply, just in > case I blow it, but that takes footwork and time. It would be nice to > be able to just restore the original loop with one command. I had wondered about this. The emulator I've been working on just restores the previous layer since it doesn't support Loop Windowing. Should I ever get around to adding that, I was considering DirectMIDI commands like LoopWindowBack and LoopWindowForward or perhaps an UndoMode that disables loop windowing so you could have both behaviors. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 02:34:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7D6W9E25089; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:32:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ben" To: Subject: RE: Mobius, an EDP emulator Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:31:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <411BC700.4090206@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal if-filter0: N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Jeff, I find your idea really cool. I don't have any expereinces with the EDP so I can't answer your question but if you need a beta tester you can count me in, I'm a newbie by looping but an experienced SW tester. If I can give you some (personal) advices: - Do it at your own pace. Perhaps a full exact copy of the EDP is not needed at the first time. Testing a restricted set of functionality for timing would be better. Adding the functionalities (from the EDP or from other ideas) one by one gives the advantage that the user will explore deeper what it has got (that's also testing) and it gives the beginner a way to learn step by step (perhaps, someone may write tutorials). Some experienced EDP user may also have the opportunity to correct what they don't like in the Echoplex. - you can perhaps contact the persons behind ambiloop (ambiloop@yahoo.com), if I remember correctly they are using portaudio also and may help you. > I've been focusing on the engine so the UI is very crude. It's better > than an LED, but not much. Everything can be controlled with MIDI. It > is a standalone application but I will be making it a VST. - why a vst? If the idea behind moebius is to make a live looping tool I don't see the need to loose DSP ressources in loading cubase or live ;-). IMHO, a stable vst host with the possibility to include VST effects would be better. But there is perhaps a use I don't see. Thanks for this wonderful idea. CU, Ben. _____________________________________________________________________ Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 04:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7D88F607232; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040813081016.02825a30@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:52:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Mobius, an EDP emulator In-Reply-To: <200408130634.i7D6YW125565@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408130634.i7D6YW125565@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm writing a >Loop IV EDP emulator. Hi Jeff, A lot of the questions you ask could only be answered by actually trying out on an EDP and seeing what happens. A lot of those obscure behaviors are "emergent" rather than planned, the result of the way that the features interact. Beta testing loop4 took up a whole load of my time, and I don't know the answer to half your questions :-) Occasionally Matthias would program stuff, and I would end up finding out the behavior that resulted from combining the old stuff with the new. If that behavior was stable, then it usually got kept. Sometimes a bug would lead to a new feature as a solution to a bug. So really the EDP is the result of a non-standard development process, the whole marvelous Loop Windowing thing was a bug in Loop3, improved in Loop4. A lot of Loop4 features just wouldn't happen if the development had been none in the normal way, which is to first decide the features, and then to rigidly implement them. Maybe it's better to decide for yourself what you want to happen in those situations, especially as you already decided to leave out a fair chunk of the functionality anyway. The number of users that will spot the difference is, AFAIK, vanishingly small anyway. You certainly seem to have plenty of ideas of your own, so why worry about "emulating"? Good luck with your venture, looking forward to seeing whatever you come up with. ..and see you on the Steinberg vst list in the near future. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 04:28:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7D8QFk09414; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040813081016.02825a30@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200408130634.i7D6YW125565@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040813081016.02825a30@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F2C4272-ED02-11D8-B6EF-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Mobius, an EDP emulator Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:25:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 13, 2004, at 2:52 AM, a k butler wrote: > You certainly seem to have plenty of ideas of your own, > so why worry about "emulating"? absolutely. there are MANY looping avenues which need to be explored ... the best EDP is an EDP. not to say that EDP elements aren't a good thing in a plug-in ... but why emulate the EDP when you can do things the EDP can't? for example ... the loop stuttering i can do with the PCM-80 is not really in any other device that i know of ... why not incorporate that too? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 04:32:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7D8QAm09397; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:28:29 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP: Undoing SUSUnRoundedMultiply From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: ES14j8Zc8eO0sIlpN6QMH2MmN4nZ29oS1radr3f82T5E9KvM7xPzsi Resent-Message-ID: <4kT4C.A.nRC.7rHHBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I usually press LONG UNDO via midi with mixed results. I'll nether get this undo/memory space theory down - but I do like the surprise factor: sometimes the loop comes back intact, sometimes not :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 05:37:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7D9UQI17904; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2315EC66-ED0B-11D8-81B7-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius, an EDP emulator Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:28:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 13, 2004, at 8:31 AM, Ben wrote: > - why a vst? If the idea behind moebius is to make a live looping tool > I > don't see the need to loose DSP ressources in loading cubase or live > ;-). > IMHO, a stable vst host with the possibility to include VST effects > would be > better. But there is perhaps a use I don't see. > I must say that I like the plug-in concept for software loopers. That way you get much more options, as a user, to combine stuff into a looping rig that you are comfortable with. Besides, the future IS modular ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 14:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7DIJin16147; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040813181912.19806.qmail@web20321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Spacemodular Subject: MEME in Cleveland Tomorrow Night! To: Analogue Heaven Cc: ????????? ??????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heyall, A Reminder, Thanks! > > MEME (Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble) will be > performing a rare live show in Cleveland, Ohio this > Saturday, August 14th. > > http://www.midnightmixer.com/ > > See you there! > > Nick > Chicago __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 18:22:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7DM91731735; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:09:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:09:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c48182$0abe9410$7c44fea9@your5olnb28oao> From: "Keith Wilson" To: References: <007401c45248$d4164a10$6401a8c0@khartung> <003201c47e7f$18411000$0200a8c0@audiows> Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:08:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Krispen, WOW, I'd love a copy if there are any left. Let me know postage, etc. Thanks, Keith Wilson 84 Glenmount Park Road Toronto, Canada M4E 2N2 ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: ; Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video > Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism VideoI'm viewing/listening to Krispen's > DVD at the moment. Wow! I'd say it is like being back in high school, > looking thru a microscope in Biology...but...this is different. Very. I'll > maybe have some dreams about it tonight, but it's worth it! Cool music, > groovy visual effects. Thanks, Krispen - looks like you put a lot of work > into this! (I went out to get the mail, and usually nothing cool is for me, > just my wife...but today was different!) > > David > > I think it's mostly available to view at: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:50 PM > Subject: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video > > > For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I shared, > both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have another horrific > and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even more interesting video > effects. See the last video, "The Probe," at this page: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm > > I was able to synchronize some of the video effects with my looped guitar > piece, which in this case is a very minimalistic intro of a longer song > from my CD, using the acoustic guitar, delay, reverb, and the Boomerang. I > wish I could share the 60MB version with you. The music quality and video > resolution are much better. > I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole DVD's > worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no charge)..later this > summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are > interested, and I'll put you on the list. I can probably handle sending 20 > or so. > Regards, > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 13 20:55:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7E0rCc05163; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:53:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:53:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Mobius, an EDP emulator Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:52:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5F2C4272-ED02-11D8-B6EF-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:51:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think starting with an EDP emulator is an excellent idea, just like the EDP was based on an earlier looper. -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 4:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius, an EDP emulator On Aug 13, 2004, at 2:52 AM, a k butler wrote: > You certainly seem to have plenty of ideas of your own, > so why worry about "emulating"? absolutely. there are MANY looping avenues which need to be explored ... the best EDP is an EDP. not to say that EDP elements aren't a good thing in a plug-in ... but why emulate the EDP when you can do things the EDP can't? for example ... the loop stuttering i can do with the PCM-80 is not really in any other device that i know of ... why not incorporate that too? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 01:51:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7E5o7W13614; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:49:39 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c481c2$7d9dd230$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003201c47e7f$18411000$0200a8c0@audiows> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad you liked the DVD, David! I have a new page now that shows the cover of the DVD and provides sample clips. I am referring to this project and genre as "music video microscopy." http://www.krispenhartung.com Go to "Music & Video" and then click "more information" inside the DVD section - Microscopic Horrors. I actually redesigned my web site logo and banner text using thumb-nail pictures of the microorganisms, reverse images. Very fun. Cheers to strange and bizarre dreams of microscopic monsters! Kris -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:10 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism VideoI'm viewing/listening to Krispen's DVD at the moment. Wow! I'd say it is like being back in high school, looking thru a microscope in Biology...but...this is different. Very. I'll maybe have some dreams about it tonight, but it's worth it! Cool music, groovy visual effects. Thanks, Krispen - looks like you put a lot of work into this! (I went out to get the mail, and usually nothing cool is for me, just my wife...but today was different!) David I think it's mostly available to view at: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I shared, both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have another horrific and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even more interesting video effects. See the last video, "The Probe," at this page: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm I was able to synchronize some of the video effects with my looped guitar piece, which in this case is a very minimalistic intro of a longer song from my CD, using the acoustic guitar, delay, reverb, and the Boomerang. I wish I could share the 60MB version with you. The music quality and video resolution are much better. I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole DVD's worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no charge)..later this summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are interested, and I'll put you on the list. I can probably handle sending 20 or so. Regards, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 12:55:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EGrHY23798; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:53:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.236] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new downloads from Blackface Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:52:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2004 16:52:47.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[206232C0:01C4821F] Resent-Message-ID: <5wXCs.A.VyF.lNkHBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone Ive been a little absent of late firstly through some bad computer virus attacks and then through runniny out of storage and being unsubed. well anyways, in the mean time I have just finished my new C.D based on my trip to New York last year, I will probably try to find somewhere to distribute it from ( any ideas??) so you can see what sort of stuff im doing. Actually, its worth mantioning that I now have THREE mp3 tracks available for download on download.com Go here... www.download.com/therealblackface the three tracks are all quite different to one another and I would totally apreciate your thoughts, critiques and comments as i am making this stuff in something of a musical bubble apart from this list so I dont really know how well or not i am doing. well hope your all doing good and avoiding the storms and landslides etc that seem to be happening all over a the moment. Phill Wilson a.k.a. Blackface _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 13:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EH8UB28586; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:56:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSAqo/i2/UUhx9VRDqINMMMP7/01gBbFlng In-Reply-To: <411BD1E3.6010106@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040814155647.IXQG26704.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per or someone may have covered this(?), but is it possible to control the EDP with midi commands coming from Live 4? Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 14:05:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EI4C714283; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.3c7d37ce.2e4fadb4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:02:28 EDT Subject: Re: new downloads from Blackface To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7EI2kh13903 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Phil, Well, I just listened to "Aqua Marine" and I really like it. I'm on a dial up and don't have time right now to listen to more (but I'm sure I'll get to 'em eventually). Good work! I like the piece very much. Hey everyone! Give this guys tunes a listen! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 14:41:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EIeCE20870; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <15d.3c7d37ce.2e4fadb4@aol.com> References: <15d.3c7d37ce.2e4fadb4@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-385090203 Message-Id: From: Tom Griesgraber Subject: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:42:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <3qikJD.A.ZFF.7xlHBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-385090203 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi all, Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California=20 Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them=20= with my Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly). CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and=20= loops) Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204 $17.00 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26 The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907 ($15.00) CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels=20 (frmr Bowie guitarist) San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano *** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com,=20 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas *** All Ages.=A0 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Oceanside, CA=A0 - Sun Aug 29, 7pm MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815 Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards=20= of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987=20 while studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp.=A0 They=20= toured with Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and=20 the Robert Fripp String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991.=A0 Their=20 shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying=20 array of covers, from Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and=20 Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, visit www.cgtrio.com Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best=20= known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player=20 ever.=A0 Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson,=20 Tony has also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon,=20 Ringo, Pink Floyd, Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman,=20 Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks,=20= Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James Taylor (to name a few).=A0=20 www.tonylevin.com If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be=20 hanging out at the merch table after my sets. Thanks for reading! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com =20= --Apple-Mail-1-385090203 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them with my Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly). =20 Geneva CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops) Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204 $17.00 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26 The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907 ($15.00) CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr Bowie guitarist) San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano *** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com, 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas *** All Ages.=A0=20 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Oceanside, CA=A0 - Sun Aug 29, 7pm MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815 Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987 while studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp.=A0 They toured with Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and the Robert Fripp String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991.=A0 Their shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying array of covers, from Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, visit www.cgtrio.com Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player ever.=A0 Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink Floyd, Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James Taylor (to name a few).=A0 www.tonylevin.com If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging out at the merch table after my sets. Thanks for reading! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com =20= --Apple-Mail-1-385090203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 15:16:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EJEGq31493; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c48233$1ce61440$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents dreamSTATE with Sylken Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:15:50 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is it! THE AMBiENT PiNG's FiFTH ANNiVERSARY SHOW and our Very Last Show at club nia / C'est What! I hope you all can make it out to say Good-bye with us to this wonderful room and the wonderful people who have served us so well since dreamSTATE played the 1st show here April 24th 2001. Onwards... The PiNG will be closed for the rest of August, then will reopen at the Gladstone Hotel Ballroom on September 7th. I'll send you all the details the week before. Hope to see you this Tuesday & we'll try to chill you out for the next few weeks... Love + Peace ~ Scott M2, Jamie Todd & rik maclean . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 17th - dreamSTATE with Sylken It's THE AMBiENT PiNG's 5th ANNiVERSARY and Scott M2 and Jamie Todd of dreamSTATE are celebrating by reuniting with their old friend Eric Hopper of Sylken. The 3 artists spent many years improvising electronic music together in the late 80s and 90s as Radio Silence - developing the skills, intuition and trust they rely upon to this day. From deep ambience to throbbing pulsations and interlocking sequences, dS + Sylken are planning a special sonic voyage on this final trip at club nia. General Chaos, dreamSTATE's fave ambient visualists, will be weaving their unique swirling galaxies of light to take us out... http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.sylken.ca http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "The Equatorial Stars" by Fripp & Eno Yes, it has arrived, and just as we always open each new home for the PiNG by playing Eno's "Music For Airports", we'll close our residency at club nia featuring this brand new release from loopy ambient pioneers Robert Fripp & Brian Eno. http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/order/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * August 24th & 31st - The PiNG will be Closed for our move to The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom - 1214 Queen Street West (which is closed for renovations during August) http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming September 7th to the PiNG at the Gladstone Hotel Arms Full of Sound http://www.phpro.info/afos/main.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Pieces of a Larger Experiment" by Arms Full of Sound Paul Needler of Arms Full of Sound revels in the joy of discovery during "Pieces of a Larger Experiment". Using a collection of analog and digital equipment, Paul has created a series of live improvised pieces which are presented here in edited forms ranging from expansive moods to playful shorter snippets of a larger whole. Opening with the swirling Cindra Morgan, Paul offers up a lush work of sweeping pads and rich tones. A majestic entry to the work at hand, closing with a delicate almost lullaby quality. Track three, Massive Synth, lives up to it's name filled with swirling tones and bass-driven melodies. Well suited for mind expansion and chillaxin' Tracks four through six are a triptych considerably shorter pieces, much like glimpses of scenery seen through the windows of a fast moving train, but despite their length (or lack thereof), they exist as complete works in and of themselves. Very effective. Haunting returns to the longer form, built around a simple yet engaging melody, winding, twisting, spiralling around an ideal, a truth. Splendid. Stranger Part 2 brings to mind some of the claustrophobia and paranoia of early Gary Numan. Washes of synth and a sparse drum beat seem to echo the sound of rain falling on dark alleys in alien cities. This is a track I'd definately like to hear more from... Hipnosis 2 closes the disc, a quiet, minimal track that plays on the edge of the senses. A simple yet very effective closer to an inspired collection of songs. Overall, "Pieces of a Larger Experiment" is an excellent collection of work. While some would end up creating a disjointed travelogue using the same idea of edited parts, Paul instead creates a kaleidoscopic view of everchanging terrain. Recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening. * After the final show at C'est What on August 17th, the PiNG will be closed for 2 weeks & will start a new residency at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone) beginning Tuesday, September 7th. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 15:33:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EJVfG03105; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:31:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2575.68.32.216.159.1092511874.squirrel@webmail.netcarrier.com> In-Reply-To: <1e4.2772b497.2e4becc3@aol.com> References: <1e4.2772b497.2e4becc3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: OT: Adhesive for glass fretboard From: ejyuhas@eclipse.net To: Jhsidlo@aol.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: ejyuhas@eclipse.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides being a looper, I am also a model rocketeer :) Try looking into an two-part epoxy called West Systems. Click here: http://www.westsystem.com/ This stuff will hold two bowling balls together! And it's not CA, or superglue...you can apply a thin coating and it will probably hold glass to wood. They have detailed bonding charts/info on their website. Ed in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 15:37:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EJZnm04058; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1Bw4JW1Vvs-0003XR@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:35:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48214.5C3FFA30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSCLjAUnOqyh1N0RCmFppb0ljFebAAB4Q7w In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48214.5C3FFA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know the CGT use a DL4 for some Ebow looping- maybe you can turn them on (and Tony Levin) to the Repeater and discuss the EDP with them too- we need more high profile artists using this stuff. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com _____ From: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Hi all, Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them with my Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly). CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops) Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204 $17.00 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26 The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907 ($15.00) CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr Bowie guitarist) San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano *** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com, 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas *** All Ages. CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Oceanside, CA - Sun Aug 29, 7pm MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815 Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987 while studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp. They toured with Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and the Robert Fripp String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991. Their shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying array of covers, from Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, visit www.cgtrio.com Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player ever. Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink Floyd, Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James Taylor (to name a few). www.tonylevin.com If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging out at the merch table after my sets. Thanks for reading! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48214.5C3FFA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 know the CGT use a DL4 for some Ebow looping- maybe you can turn them on = (and=20 Tony Levin) to the Repeater and discuss the EDP with them too- we need = more high=20 profile artists using this stuff.
 

Dave Eichenberger=20 http://www.hazardfactor.com


From: Tom Griesgraber=20 [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 = 2:42=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig = spam)

Hi all,

Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 = shows with=20 the California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing = opening sets=20 at them with my Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly). =

CGT and Tony Levin with = guest=20 Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops)
Hollywood, CA - Wed = Aug 25,=20 7:30pm
The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd -=20 323-463-0204
$17.00

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom=20 Griesgraber
Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26
The Mercury = Lounge -=20 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907
($15.00)

CGT and Tony = Levin with=20 guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr Bowie = guitarist)
San Juan=20 Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm
The Coach House - 33157 Camino=20 Capistrano
*** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at = www.thossounds.com,=20 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas ***
All Ages. =20

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber
Oceanside, = CA  -=20 Sun Aug 29, 7pm
MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr
All = Ages. For=20 Tickets - 760-795-6815

Just in case you've never heard of CGT = or Tony=20 Levin.... Paul Richards of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo = Moriya of=20 Japan met in 1987 while studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist = Robert=20 Fripp.  They toured with Robert as members of the League of = Crafty=20 Guitarists and the Robert Fripp String Quintet and formed the CGT in=20 1991.  Their shows feature incredible original compositions as = well as a=20 dizzying array of covers, from Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf = Guitar and=20 Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, visit = www.cgtrio.com

Tony=20 Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best = known=20 Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player = ever. =20 Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has = also=20 recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink = Floyd, Yes,=20 Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula = Cole,=20 Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and = James=20 Taylor (to name a few).  www.tonylevin.com

If any of you = make it=20 out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging out at the merch = table=20 after my sets.

Thanks for reading!
Tom=20 = Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48214.5C3FFA30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 16:54:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EKqT522264; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:52:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1Bw4JW1Vvs-0003XR@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKyxe-1Bw4JW1Vvs-0003XR@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-393029230 Message-Id: <1E8596F8-EE34-11D8-81D4-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> From: Tom Griesgraber Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:54:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-393029230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Dave (and all), You're right... Paul Richards has used various pedals (Line 6 most recently) for looped ebow bits on a few songs.. off the top of my head I know Punta Patri and Kanon Power. We actually did a few soundscape type things together on shows awhile back. It was a blast as he's such a good musician. Incidentily for the curious.. Bert Lams of the CGT actually had a project last year where he took some of Robert Fripp's recorded soundscapes and turned them into arrangements for orchestra and choir. I know they did some performances somewhere in Europe. anybody catch that? You may be happy to know that Jerry Marotta is also a Repeater owner. We have a band album recorded (not yet released) with lots of overdubbed drum and percussion and Stick parts. Jerry keeps saying he's going to "get his Repeater chops up" to deal with some of the tunes live. --Tom On Aug 14, 2004, at 12:35 PM, hazard factor wrote: > I know the CGT use a DL4 for some Ebow looping- maybe you can turn > them on (and Tony Levin) to the Repeater and discuss the EDP with them > too- we need more high profile artists using this stuff. Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com 760-942-1031 --Apple-Mail-2-393029230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Dave (and all), You're right... Paul Richards has used various pedals (Line 6 most recently) for looped ebow bits on a few songs.. off the top of my head I know Punta Patri and Kanon Power. We actually did a few soundscape type things together on shows awhile back. It was a blast as he's such a good musician. Incidentily for the curious.. Bert Lams of the CGT actually had a project last year where he took some of Robert Fripp's recorded soundscapes and turned them into arrangements for orchestra and choir. I know they did some performances somewhere in Europe. anybody catch that? You may be happy to know that Jerry Marotta is also a Repeater owner. We have a band album recorded (not yet released) with lots of overdubbed drum and percussion and Stick parts. Jerry keeps saying he's going to "get his Repeater chops up" to deal with some of the tunes live. --Tom On Aug 14, 2004, at 12:35 PM, hazard factor wrote: ArialI know the CGT use a DL4 for some Ebow looping- maybe you can turn them on (and Tony Levin) to the Repeater and discuss the EDP with them too- we need more high profile artists using this stuff. Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com 760-942-1031 --Apple-Mail-2-393029230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 17:01:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7EKxi024633; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1Bw4JW1Vvs-0003XR@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKyxe-1Bw4JW1Vvs-0003XR@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <01654756-EE35-11D8-81D4-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tom Griesgraber Subject: album spam Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:00:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I'm at it today... I think I've neglected to mention here (yet) that I have a new album out. While mainly a "live playing" type project it does have several loop based tunes, including "Ahab" (Stick loops with King Crimson's Pat Mastelotto on drums and percussion) and "Jungle (pt2)" (more Stick looping with Jerry Marotta on drums, Taos drums and Pat adding some bkg. perc). Soundclips are up at http://www.thossounds.com/awittcd.html The album is currently just available through my site (thossounds.com) and Stick Enterprises (stick.com), but will be released nationally Oct 5 on Spotted Peccary's new O3E imprint; www.o3emusic.com (Border's, Barnes, itunes, etc) Hope you like! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 14 19:30:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ENS5e24249; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:28:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:28:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040814155647.IXQG26704.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20040814155647.IXQG26704.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:07:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 14, 2004, at 5:56 PM, Tom Rex wrote: > Per or someone may have covered this(?), but is it possible to control > the > EDP with midi commands coming from Live 4? > > Thanks, > Tom Of course! The EDP doesn't care where the midi messages do come from ;-) Patch a miidi cable from the computers midi interface output to the EDP midi input and set the EDP sync parameter to "in". per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 01:32:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7F5Tnt18268; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:29:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSCVxIPQRvQ/GEaS2mO3p534LNv+wAMZTPw Message-Id: <20040815052920.QOTP3348.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Per. It was Live that I wasn't sure about. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 4:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP On Aug 14, 2004, at 5:56 PM, Tom Rex wrote: > Per or someone may have covered this(?), but is it possible to control > the EDP with midi commands coming from Live 4? > > Thanks, > Tom Of course! The EDP doesn't care where the midi messages do come from ;-) Patch a miidi cable from the computers midi interface output to the EDP midi input and set the EDP sync parameter to "in". per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 01:55:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7F5qVr23199; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c4828b$53d3f000$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: <0MKyxe-1Bw4JW1Vvs-0003XR@mrelay.perfora.net> <1E8596F8-EE34-11D8-81D4-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:47:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C48269.CC917C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C48269.CC917C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone interested, he used a DIgitech PDS8000 for this for a long = time as well, though I am sure taht has been covered...... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Griesgraber=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Hi Dave (and all), You're right... Paul Richards has used various pedals (Line 6 most = recently) for looped ebow bits on a few songs.. off the top of my head I = know Punta Patri and Kanon Power. We actually did a few soundscape type = things together on shows awhile back. It was a blast as he's such a good = musician. Incidentily for the curious.. Bert Lams of the CGT actually had a = project last year where he took some of Robert Fripp's recorded = soundscapes and turned them into arrangements for orchestra and choir. I = know they did some performances somewhere in Europe. anybody catch that? You may be happy to know that Jerry Marotta is also a Repeater owner. = We have a band album recorded (not yet released) with lots of overdubbed = drum and percussion and Stick parts. Jerry keeps saying he's going to = "get his Repeater chops up" to deal with some of the tunes live.=20 --Tom On Aug 14, 2004, at 12:35 PM, hazard factor wrote: I know the CGT use a DL4 for some Ebow looping- maybe you can turn = them on (and Tony Levin) to the Repeater and discuss the EDP with them = too- we need more high profile artists using this stuff. Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com 760-942-1031 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C48269.CC917C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For anyone interested, he used a = DIgitech PDS8000=20 for this for a long time as well, though I am sure taht has been=20 covered......
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Griesgraber
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 = 4:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: California Guitar = Trio and=20 Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam)

Hi Dave (and all),

You're right... Paul Richards = has=20 used various pedals (Line 6 most recently) for looped ebow bits on a = few=20 songs.. off the top of my head I know Punta Patri and Kanon Power. We = actually=20 did a few soundscape type things together on shows awhile back. It was = a blast=20 as he's such a good musician.

Incidentily for the curious.. = Bert Lams=20 of the CGT actually had a project last year where he took some of = Robert=20 Fripp's recorded soundscapes and turned them into arrangements for = orchestra=20 and choir. I know they did some performances somewhere in Europe. = anybody=20 catch that?

You may be happy to know that Jerry Marotta is also = a=20 Repeater owner. We have a band album recorded (not yet released) with = lots of=20 overdubbed drum and percussion and Stick parts. Jerry keeps saying = he's going=20 to "get his Repeater chops up" to deal with some of the tunes live.=20

--Tom

On Aug 14, 2004, at 12:35 PM, hazard factor=20 wrote:

I know the CGT use a = DL4=20 for some Ebow looping- maybe you can turn them on (and Tony Levin) = to the=20 Repeater and discuss the EDP with them too- we need more high = profile=20 artists using this = stuff.

Tom=20 = Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com
760-942-1031
= ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C48269.CC917C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 06:03:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7FA1RM01408; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:01:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:01:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040815052920.QOTP3348.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20040815052920.QOTP3348.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:00:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7b5PX.A.LU.JRzHBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live4 supports midi sequencing so you can record any midi data needed to pre sequence EDP actions, If that's what you're up to. Regards Per On Aug 15, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Tom Rex wrote: > Thanks, Per. It was Live that I wasn't sure about. > > > Of course! The EDP doesn't care where the midi messages do come from > ;-) Patch a miidi cable from the computers midi interface output to > the EDP midi input and set the EDP sync parameter to "in". > > per > >> Per or someone may have covered this(?), but is it possible to control >> the EDP with midi commands coming from Live 4? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 10:58:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7FEu3420005; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2D9C934B-EECB-11D8-A3BB-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notices (Seattle) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:55:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More Live Looping at the following quality venues: August 20*, 9-11PM Flip Side Cafe (3317 NE 175th St., Woodinville) August 21, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) August 21, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 13:06:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7FH5V528395; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:04:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSCrxXPOSacmXWPQTeaInKOghZiggAN1cQg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040815170438.TNYW2559.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, again, Per. That got me where I wanted to go! What I wanted to do was trigger midi commands to the EDP via the computer keyboard thru Live 4. So, based on your previous advise, I mapped some computer keys to the midi clips within a track. I then double clicked on those midi clips, and did a few midi sequences to push the midi virtual buttons, which then got the lights flashing on the EDP! There is some latency, so I hade to set the quantitize in Live to 1/32, or none. Wow! That's really powerful stuff! Especially for computer based music. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP Live4 supports midi sequencing so you can record any midi data needed to pre sequence EDP actions, If that's what you're up to. Regards Per On Aug 15, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Tom Rex wrote: > Thanks, Per. It was Live that I wasn't sure about. > > > Of course! The EDP doesn't care where the midi messages do come from > ;-) Patch a miidi cable from the computers midi interface output to > the EDP midi input and set the EDP sync parameter to "in". > > per > >> Per or someone may have covered this(?), but is it possible to >> control the EDP with midi commands coming from Live 4? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 13:38:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7FHaHn06623; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040815170438.TNYW2559.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20040815170438.TNYW2559.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BB278C2-EEE1-11D8-B52E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:35:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <3Uw60D.A.XhB.h75HBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 15, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Tom Rex wrote: > Thanks, again, Per. That got me where I wanted to go! > > What I wanted to do was trigger midi commands to the EDP via the > computer > keyboard thru Live 4. > > So, based on your previous advise, I mapped some computer keys to the > midi > clips within a track. I then double clicked on those midi clips, and > did a > few midi sequences to push the midi virtual buttons, which then got the > lights flashing on the EDP! There is some latency, so I hade to set > the > quantitize in Live to 1/32, or none. > > Wow! That's really powerful stuff! Especially for computer based > music. > > Tom > Aha, so you're actually sequencing EDP actions. Cool! I've only done that once with EDP and Repeater and then I was just playing back an improvisational performance where a computer had recorded EDP source audio together with foot controller MIDI messages. This was just a workaround because I did not have five inputs to the recording maching (1 EDP + 4 Repeater). It took some time to recreate the performance but after a while I ended up with the complete improvisation separated in Logic on five channels. I'm now designing a laptop based looping system with Live 4 as "mixer". One idea for EDP as well, as Augustus Loop AU plug-in, is to take advantage of the new midi clips of Live 4 and set up template midi clips as "dynamic fx racks" for the loopers. I once noticed that if you send volume changes (some midi cc sweeping) to the EDP when in overdub mode, this sweeps will become part of the loop on the next round. So you could in fact use midi foot pedals to launch Live midi clips with different "beat pattern tremolo effect settings" as you are looping away on the EDP. This trick has to stay on my to-do-list for a while though. Next thing to try out here is using Live 4 built in effects on the audio input from the EDP and setting up a useful scheme for FCB1010 control (got to keep reducing options all the time to keep things playable). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 14:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7FIp4l27324; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Live 4 and the EDP (and DJ CD players) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:50:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSC7raRkLDN0HiTTKGRUIUHHWOM3AABb28g In-Reply-To: <7BB278C2-EEE1-11D8-B52E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040815185012.WBQW3348.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4kKb0B.A.OmG.qB7HBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some great ideas floating around here, Per! I didn't think about setting up midi clip templates. Cool idea! I was just going to save my rack of instruments as a Live set, and bring it up as a default set. In order to do that, I had to expand my Delta 66, so I added a 1010. Now I can bring in each instrument to a Live track. (got that idea from you - thanks!) I'm using Live 4 built in effects on the audio input from Pioneer's 1000 mk2 DJ CD player, so it should work with the EDP. I was researching some stuff in the L-D archives, and was fascinated with all the early posts (from Kim, et al) re: DJ's and looping and sampling. I was looking for some ideas for using the Pioneer 1000 mk2 as a musical instrument within Live, and I got several, but I have to agree with one of the posts that said how amazing it is, that creative DJ's get the sounds that they do. Has anyone heard or seen DJ Shadow's latest Live CD and DVD? For my tastes, it a real masterpiece! Thanks for all the help, everyone! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP On Aug 15, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Tom Rex wrote: > Thanks, again, Per. That got me where I wanted to go! > > What I wanted to do was trigger midi commands to the EDP via the > computer keyboard thru Live 4. > > So, based on your previous advise, I mapped some computer keys to the > midi clips within a track. I then double clicked on those midi clips, > and did a few midi sequences to push the midi virtual buttons, which > then got the lights flashing on the EDP! There is some latency, so I > hade to set the quantitize in Live to 1/32, or none. > > Wow! That's really powerful stuff! Especially for computer based > music. > > Tom > Aha, so you're actually sequencing EDP actions. Cool! I've only done that once with EDP and Repeater and then I was just playing back an improvisational performance where a computer had recorded EDP source audio together with foot controller MIDI messages. This was just a workaround because I did not have five inputs to the recording maching (1 EDP + 4 Repeater). It took some time to recreate the performance but after a while I ended up with the complete improvisation separated in Logic on five channels. I'm now designing a laptop based looping system with Live 4 as "mixer". One idea for EDP as well, as Augustus Loop AU plug-in, is to take advantage of the new midi clips of Live 4 and set up template midi clips as "dynamic fx racks" for the loopers. I once noticed that if you send volume changes (some midi cc sweeping) to the EDP when in overdub mode, this sweeps will become part of the loop on the next round. So you could in fact use midi foot pedals to launch Live midi clips with different "beat pattern tremolo effect settings" as you are looping away on the EDP. This trick has to stay on my to-do-list for a while though. Next thing to try out here is using Live 4 built in effects on the audio input from the EDP and setting up a useful scheme for FCB1010 control (got to keep reducing options all the time to keep things playable). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 18:14:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7FMDnb13664; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3D4C7AA5-EF08-11D8-B38C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:12:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The other day I noticed that my Line6 DL-4 now includes an unpleasant buzz/hum/whine when recording in half-speed mode. Switching back to regular speed just shifts it up an octave, although recording and playing back at full-speed have no problems. So, I pulled out my spare (neither one has seen much use recently) and found that it had the same problem, although to a lesser degree. Both units are about three years old and have seen only light usage and been stored on a pedalboard or somewhere safe, and I've tried different guitars, amps, cable, etc. I know they didn't used to do this--has anyone else seen this problem? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 15 23:39:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7G3bqc28172; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <3D4C7AA5-EF08-11D8-B38C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:36:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C48307.94D12240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:36:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2004 03:36:45.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[40D50900:01C48342] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C48307.94D12240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C48307.94D12240" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C48307.94D12240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Travis, This behavior (especially since both units exhibit it) could be = consistent with a nearby noise source being sampled and aliased into the = audible spectrum. Have you recently added something to your setup or = environment that radiates - like a monitor, something with a switched = mode power supply (e.g. computer) or wireless link? Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? The other day I noticed that my Line6 DL-4 now includes an unpleasant=20 buzz/hum/whine when recording in half-speed mode. Switching back to=20 regular speed just shifts it up an octave, although recording and=20 playing back at full-speed have no problems. So, I pulled out my = spare=20 (neither one has seen much use recently) and found that it had the = same=20 problem, although to a lesser degree. Both units are about three = years=20 old and have seen only light usage and been stored on a pedalboard or=20 somewhere safe, and I've tried different guitars, amps, cable, etc. I know they didn't used to do this--has anyone else seen this problem? TravisH ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C48307.94D12240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Travis,
 
This behavior (especially since both units exhibit it) could be = consistent=20 with a nearby noise source being sampled and aliased into the audible = spectrum.=20 Have you recently added something to your setup or environment that = radiates -=20 like a monitor, something with a switched mode power supply (e.g.=20 computer) or wireless link?
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis=20 Hartnett
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 = 3:12=20 PM
Subject: DL-4 hum/buzz when = half-speed=20 overdubbing?

The other day I noticed that my Line6 DL-4 now includes = an=20 unpleasant
buzz/hum/whine when recording in half-speed mode.  = Switching back to
regular speed just shifts it up an octave, = although=20 recording and
playing back at full-speed have no problems.  = So, I=20 pulled out my spare
(neither one has seen much use recently) and = found=20 that it had the same
problem, although to a lesser degree.  = Both=20 units are about three years
old and have seen only light usage and = been=20 stored on a pedalboard or
somewhere safe, and I've tried different = guitars, amps, cable, etc.

I know they didn't used to do = this--has=20 anyone else seen this=20 problem?

TravisH

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Per=20 said:
One idea for EDP as well, as Augustus = Loop AU=20 plug-in, is to take advantage of the new midi clips of Live 4 and set = up=20 template midi clips as "dynamic fx racks" for the loopers. I once = noticed that=20 if you send volume changes (some midi cc sweeping) to the EDP when in = overdub=20 mode, this sweeps will become part of the loop on the next=20 round.

have you=20 checked out this vst plug-in which can be used in = Live?

Tom

http://www.pspaudioware.com/=20

PSP Nitro   = Features:

  • 4 sound processing operators,
  • a wide variety of filters and other = effects,=20
  • extreme internal routing flexibility, =
  • two LFOs with advanced sync = possibilities,
  • envelope detector with adaptive mode = and ADSR=20 generator,
  • virtual cables for connecting = modulation sources=20 to processing parameters,
  • advanced MIDI control
  • library of presets
 
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C48361.F7784FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 10:57:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GEtR430143; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040816142345.EHCJ27028.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20040816142345.EHCJ27028.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <15B47FEC-EF94-11D8-838F-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live, EDP, and plug-ins Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:53:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7GErvh29516 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 16, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Tom Rex wrote: > Per said: > One idea for EDP as well, as Augustus Loop AU plug-in, is to take > advantage of the new midi clips of Live 4 and set up template midi > clips as "dynamic fx racks" for the loopers. I once noticed that if > you send volume changes (some midi cc sweeping) to the EDP when in > overdub mode, this sweeps will become part of the loop on the next > round. > > have you checked out this vst plug-in which can be used in Live? > > Tom > > http://www.pspaudioware.com/ > > PSP Nitro   Features: > • 4 sound processing operators, > • a wide variety of filters and other effects, > • extreme internal routing flexibility, > • two LFOs with advanced sync possibilities, > • envelope detector with adaptive mode and ADSR generator, > • virtual cables for connecting modulation sources to processing > parameters, > • advanced MIDI control > • library of presets Yes, I have the Nitro. It's very good but needs a bit too much CPU resources to take on stage in a Powerbook ;-) I bought mine with the idea to see if it can be used in a live-looping context but I ended up using it only on recording projects. I also have an analogue filter bank ("the real thing") that uses no CPU power at all except for the stereo out/in of the sound card send loop. I really like Nitro and I think PSP is doing the right thing when creating a CPU heavy but very nice sounding filter bank plug-in. Computers will only be faster and more software will let you "freeze" virtual instrument/fx tracks to audio files like Logic, Tracktion etc. It was a difficult decision to make, going with Apple or Windows for a laptop set-up. However OS X, the AU specifications and the "pro AU vibes" among software developers convinced me to go that way. Right now, in 2004 (pre G5 powerbooks) this also means that less raw CPU power can be used for plug-ins, compared with the best Intel/AMD laptop alternative. But personally I'm not sure that I really need all that CPU power, at least no as much as I need OS X software like Logic or Numerology :-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 12:37:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GGZAw15701; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:35:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:35:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.174.24] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Start/Stop on EDP Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:33:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2004 16:33:58.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4397520:01C483AE] Resent-Message-ID: <1zYG2D.A.izD.AIOIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok. so I actually feel a little silly having to ask this after about a year and a half of playing with an EDP nearly every day , but does anyone know how to program an FCB1010 to send a message to start and stop the edp in the same way as you would a DL-4 (i.e. once press stops the loop another on the same button starts the loop from the begining and continues to loop until stopped again). up to this point I have always faded songs out with the volume pedal but now I need an abrupt stop. I have looked through the manual and seen all sorts of wild variation on the theme (mute, mute then play once etc,) but not a simple button as above. Im sure Im just misunderstanding a term or something but im quite stuck until i find it. Help Phill Wilson a.k.a. BlackFace download free MP3s at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 13:14:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GHD2C21841; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4120EAC7.00000F.02896@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:11:35 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_BFUJSPT1VA4000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Audio codec/player Questions X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_BFUJSPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=0D I hope you all don't mind is I ask a few questions about preferred aud= io codec and players. =0D =0D =0D =0D 1. What is your favorite audio codec?=0D =0D mp3=0D Windowns Audio=0D Real Audio=0D Other=0D =0D 1b....any reason why?=0D =0D =0D =0D 2. What is your favorite Player=0D =0D WinAmp=0D WinMediaPlayer=0D RealPlayer=0D ATI Player=0D Other=0D =0D 2b.....any reason why?=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D Thank you,=0D Sony Felberg=0D http://chickiboom.com/=0D Advent'Looping=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_BFUJSPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hi,
   I hope you all don't mind is I ask a few questions abou= t preferred audio codec and players.
 
 
 
1. What is your favorite audio codec?
 
mp3
Windowns Audio
Real Audio
Other
 
1b....any reason why?
 
 
 
2. What is your favorite Player
 
WinAmp
WinMediaPlayer
RealPlayer
ATI Player
Other
 
2b.....any reason why?
 
 
 
 
Thank you,
Sony Felberg
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--------------Boundary-00=_BFUJSPT1VA4000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 13:29:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GHR7t24460; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:27:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c483b6$6866a360$6801a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7BB278C2-EEE1-11D8-B52E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <9-R6H.A.B8F.Q5OIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool thread. Probably repeating what you guys have said, but thinking out loud: In a sense a single well thought out midi clip in Live can act as a macro. So with one foot press you can have a single switch launch a remote control of the EDP with say: Record new loop for 2 bars, reverse, overdub for 6 bars, end overdub, reverse (contained in a single Live midi clip template). At bar 8 of your piece set up a new 1 bar EDP via next loop At bar 32 go back to your original loop, or do a new loop. Etc, etc. Each Live midi clip can have a different simple or elaborate series of actions. This really is a compelling way to work. Keeping it simple and modular you can perform any combo of these at any point or prearranged in line with a song's arrangement. One of the benefits of this is that you don't have to have the EDP sync to Live's clock, so you're free to perform freestyle along with your tracks not tied to any quantization, but have all the quantization you need via these Live clip macros. Neil --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 13:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GHeiw26561; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:39:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D4C7AA5-EF08-11D8-B38C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The other day Max Valentino contacted me off list with a similar problem, when using his dl4. At first I thought it might be the hi frequency distortion common to most piezo pickups being amplified, but now I'm not so sure. I have noticed it with my two DL4's on occasion particularly when looping with my acoustic electric guitar and resampling on to a repeater or jammman, but never to the degree that you mention. perhaps the problem as Nic suggested is related to something near you radiating EMF's or maybe a poorly shielded power supply. I've only noticed the sound you speak of when playing in my studio with a computer screen, large mainframe computer, and racks of signal processing gear. I do know that those wall warts are notoriously prone to picking up line noise, if care is not taken to separate them physically from line or power cables. On my main pedal board, I use a Voodoo labs pedal power to power all of my stomp boxes, including a DL-4, and have not really noticed this problem. However, recording at half speed on the DL-4 will give you a greatly reduced sampling rate, and potentially more sonic artifacts. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? The other day I noticed that my Line6 DL-4 now includes an unpleasant buzz/hum/whine when recording in half-speed mode. Switching back to regular speed just shifts it up an octave, although recording and playing back at full-speed have no problems. So, I pulled out my spare (neither one has seen much use recently) and found that it had the same problem, although to a lesser degree. Both units are about three years old and have seen only light usage and been stored on a pedalboard or somewhere safe, and I've tried different guitars, amps, cable, etc. I know they didn't used to do this--has anyone else seen this problem? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 14:08:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GI5TF32585; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4120F641.6000908@mem.li> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:00:33 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: zurrigo is back Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030608030901010908060108" Resent-Message-ID: <6h9MFB.A.B7H.ZcPIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------030608030901010908060108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello to the looping and still spinning world from a small town in switzerland - i've been part of the community before, that's why i would like to say hello to everybody who still remembers the (slightly out-of-topic) boiled egg problems for all the others: do not hesitate to download any of the free mp3 files on my online demo at: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html and let me know what you think of it (solo electric guitar, connected to an old echoplex and a dbx compressor) so long zurrigo -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------030608030901010908060108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello to the looping and still spinning world from a small town in switzerland - i've been part of the community before, that's why i would like to say hello to everybody who still remembers the (slightly out-of-topic) boiled egg problems

for all the others: do not hesitate to download any of the free mp3 files on my online demo at:

http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html

and let me know what you think of it
(solo electric guitar, connected to an old echoplex and a dbx compressor)

so long

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--------------030608030901010908060108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 14:14:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GIDFK01564; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040816181243.50896.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nic Roozeboom wrote: > This behavior (especially since both units exhibit it) could be consistent with > a nearby noise source being sampled and aliased into the audible spectrum. Have > you recently added something to your setup or environment that radiates - like > a monitor, something with a switched mode power supply (e.g. computer) or > wireless link? My friend had terrible noise problems with a DL4 on his pedalboard until he physically moved it away from his power strip (which contained a couple of warts). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 14:42:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GIbGx05110; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Noise from Guitar grounding--OT? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSDv8fLKp/MS9AFTv6KwQLuOhPt3Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040816183524.LOXK7117.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- As long as noise is a topic, let me ask this question-- I have a problem with noise being introduced into loops from the guitar side of my doubleneck Ztar--seems the single coil pickups don't like being in the same body as a computer-- I just ordered an ISP Decimator. Anyone have any experience with this one? The noise is especially bad with higher gain settings . . . Cheers, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 15:50:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GJhkG15776; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <63F926FF-EFBC-11D8-AA91-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Start/Stop on EDP Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:42:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 16, 2004, at 6:33 PM, lol c wrote: > EDP nearly every day , but does anyone know how to program an FCB1010 > to send a message to start and stop the edp in the same way as you > would a DL-4 (i.e. once press stops the loop another on the same > button starts the loop from the begining and continues to loop until > stopped again). I think you're right about "mute". It's as close to a "stop" command you get with the EDP. There's also the reset command, but that one does rather correspond to "stop and erase" ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 16:07:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GK6nq21876; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000201c483b6$6866a360$6801a8c0@neil> References: <000201c483b6$6866a360$6801a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <96D0C598-EFBF-11D8-AA91-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:05:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 16, 2004, at 7:28 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > In a sense a single well thought out midi clip in Live can act as a > macro. That's a good definition! A MACRO. Rick Walker told me that Claude Voit actually did this long ago with an EDP and some pre Live 4 midi sequencing software. > Each Live midi clip can have a different simple or elaborate series of > actions. This really is a compelling way to work. Keeping it simple and > modular you can perform any combo of these at any point or prearranged > in line with a song's arrangement. yes! Live 4 is better than any midi sequencer because it is so easy to assign any midi foot pedal to trig a midi clip in Live (that tells your EDP what to do with your resent audio input). Myself I'm thinking about using it to "perforate" a loop with short quantized SUS-inserts of a very percussive character. Different patterns that are too fast to tap in real-time with one foot. You might be able to create a "drum beat" in just two overdubs: First play one long low note (kick drum frequency) and then press the pedal for "launch Live midi clip for EDP SUS-insert "hihat-ish pattern") and play a long note in a high register. > One of the benefits of this is that you don't have to have the EDP sync > to Live's clock Yes, you can of course run Live 4 synced to the EDP. It will follow any HalfSpeed or Multiply-Record action through the tempo changes. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 16:11:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GK3B620446; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040816130021.01a1b030@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:01:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Start/Stop on EDP In-Reply-To: <63F926FF-EFBC-11D8-AA91-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah - set MuteMode=Start and then just send a mute command. First press of Mute will "stop" the loop. Second press will restart it from the beginning. At 12:42 PM 2004.08.16, Per Boysen wrote: >On Aug 16, 2004, at 6:33 PM, lol c wrote: > >> EDP nearly every day , but does anyone know how to program an FCB1010 to send a message to start and stop the edp in the same way as you would a DL-4 (i.e. once press stops the loop another on the same button starts the loop from the begining and continues to loop until stopped again). > > >I think you're right about "mute". It's as close to a "stop" command you get with the EDP. There's also the reset command, but that one does rather correspond to "stop and erase" ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 18:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GMAvS18070; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:10:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040816220900.20657.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Live, EDP, and plug-ins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15B47FEC-EF94-11D8-838F-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2TWmi.A.0XE.CCTIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Numerology, I really like the new TripleXY module. I set it up to control my Micromodular as it processes my bandmate's violin and it's even more fun than tweaking knobs. Paolo --- Per Boysen wrote: > CPU power, at least no as much as I need OS X > software like Logic or > Numerology :-) > > per > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 16 18:56:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7GMs3l29051; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040816220900.20657.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040816220900.20657.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live, EDP, and plug-ins Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:52:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, lucky you to have a Micromodular! I was just going to buy one that I had spotted second hand but today it was sold ;-( I have done some successful experimenting with Live 4 midi drum sequences played through Live's random midi filter plug-in and I have been thinking of using Numerology's TripleXY to apply a loooong gradual change of the random percentage of such a midi filter to bring drum patterns slowly in and out of chaos. It's a great performance feature to be able to start such a long and gradual change with just one press of a midi foot pedal (while you're busy making other noises). BTW, I guess Numerology can also be used to sequence EDP actions. Speaking about Live 4 and OS X: tonight I succeeded to create dynamic pattern gates for live audio input to Augustus Loop AU plug-in (or the EDP). This means you can for example hit a ringing guitar chord and have only every second 16th note going into the loop (or whatever pattern you set up). The trick was to use the IAC bus (virtual midi stream in OS X) to send midi from a midi clip on a midi track and use that midi to address the midi learn function of some button, switch or whatever function in the program. per On Aug 17, 2004, at 12:09 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Speaking of Numerology, I really like the new TripleXY > module. I set it up to control my Micromodular as it > processes my bandmate's violin and it's even more fun > than tweaking knobs. > > Paolo > > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> CPU power, at least no as much as I need OS X >> software like Logic or >> Numerology :-) >> >> per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 02:37:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7H6Xr007741; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040816232141.0444bb50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:32:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Start/Stop on EDP In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:33 AM 8/16/2004, lol c wrote: >so I actually feel a little silly having to ask this after about a year >and a half of playing with an EDP nearly every day , but does anyone know >how to program an FCB1010 to send a message to start and stop the edp in >the same way as you would a DL-4 (i.e. once press stops the loop another >on the same button starts the loop from the begining and continues to loop >until stopped again). Mute, whether from the front panel or by midi, is "stop". Once you have muted the loop you can do a bunch of things. Among them, trigger the loop once from the beginning and then stop. You do this by pressing Insert while in mute. You can also do this from MIDI, either with the Insert VirtualButton, or with the direct MIDI command for SamplePlay. (SamplePlay is the name for trigger from the beginning and then stop.) The direct MIDI SamplePlay works even if you are not in Mute. So at any time you can trigger the loop from the begining to play once and stop. You can even trigger loops this way using the sampler triggers, with SamplerStyle set to One. That way you could play the note for a given loop on a keyboard or other midi controller, and it will trigger the loop to play once. If you turn on velocity, the loop volume will be according to how hard you play the note. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 03:10:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7H727p12105; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040816234749.050fcb40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:01:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? In-Reply-To: <20040816181243.50896.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040816181243.50896.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:12 AM 8/16/2004, Greg House wrote: >--- Nic Roozeboom wrote: > > > This behavior (especially since both units exhibit it) could be > consistent with > > a nearby noise source being sampled and aliased into the audible > spectrum. Have > > you recently added something to your setup or environment that radiates > - like > > a monitor, something with a switched mode power supply (e.g. computer) or > > wireless link? > >My friend had terrible noise problems with a DL4 on his pedalboard until he >physically moved it away from his power strip (which contained a couple of >warts). I suspected the wall wart also when I heard this story. A couple possibilities: - Wall warts normally are not well shielded and use low cost transformers that radiate a lot of 60Hz hum. Nearby devices that are also not well shielded can pick up this hum and make it part of the audio signal in various ways. (as the other guys noted.) - Wall warts (and other types of power supplies) can generate "common mode" current. Normally a power supply should drive current out on the power and receive it back equally on the ground. Common Mode current is driven out on both, and finds some other path back to earth ground. This can happen if the wall wart is not designed well, or uses a cheap unbalanced transformer, or even with aging. This AC common mode current might find that path to earth through your audio cable grounds, in which case you get hum and noise. My suggestions would be: Try moving the dl4 away from nearby wall warts or other power supplies as others suggested; Try replacing the wall wart (or using batteries to check if that is the problem.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 04:45:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7H8fDj28103; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:41:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040817093032.0281ceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:36:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Start/Stop on EDP In-Reply-To: <200408162012.i7GKC0s23173@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408162012.i7GKC0s23173@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >does anyone know how to program an FCB1010 to send a message to start and >stop the edp in the same way as you would a DL-4 (i.e. once press stops >the loop another on the same button starts the loop from the begining and >continues to loop until stopped again). > >up to this point I have always faded songs out with the volume pedal but >now I need an abrupt stop. use Mute to stop, and when MuteMode=Sta pressing Mute again starts the loop from the beginning. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 05:25:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7H9NVX07060; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040817092220.87074.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Start/Stop on EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040816232141.0444bb50@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whats also cool about the DL4 is that it doesnt retrigger when you press on the "play once" button while the loop is running but it waits till it ends to stop.This gives you time to think about a brake or whatever, is this possible with the EDP? cheers L.a --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:33 AM 8/16/2004, lol c wrote: > >so I actually feel a little silly having to ask > this after about a year > >and a half of playing with an EDP nearly every day > , but does anyone know > >how to program an FCB1010 to send a message to > start and stop the edp in > >the same way as you would a DL-4 (i.e. once press > stops the loop another > >on the same button starts the loop from the > begining and continues to loop > >until stopped again). > > Mute, whether from the front panel or by midi, is > "stop". > > Once you have muted the loop you can do a bunch of > things. Among them, > trigger the loop once from the beginning and then > stop. You do this by > pressing Insert while in mute. > > You can also do this from MIDI, either with the > Insert VirtualButton, or > with the direct MIDI command for SamplePlay. > (SamplePlay is the name for > trigger from the beginning and then stop.) > > The direct MIDI SamplePlay works even if you are not > in Mute. So at any > time you can trigger the loop from the begining to > play once and stop. > > You can even trigger loops this way using the > sampler triggers, with > SamplerStyle set to One. That way you could play the > note for a given loop > on a keyboard or other midi controller, and it will > trigger the loop to > play once. If you turn on velocity, the loop volume > will be according to > how hard you play the note. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 09:23:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HDKsB12985; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:20:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:20:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040817132004.39615.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Pedal Pad MPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040817092220.87074.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1eTtNB.A.8HD.KYgIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody use this? http://www.pedalpad.com/product.htm I recently joined a band in which I am the electronic effects tweaker/noise dude. The duffle bag I use to carry my gear is getting heavier and heavier as gear accumulates. I figure on getting a case to carry the gear would provide better protection. The built in power supply would be a nice convenience too. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 09:59:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HDuio18232; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:53:53 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Phil Keaggy DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c48461$a2daf810$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20040817132004.39615.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you guys want to hear an incredible live looper (loopist?), then get over to www.philkeaggy.org and order his new live DVD. I saw this guy live last year and he's the person who got me interested in looping. He is absolutely incredible. He uses an acoustic guitar with a Jamman and a minimal amount of other effect pedals. The DVD is of a recent concert he did in Philladelphia. It includes the concert, and lots of bonus stuff. There is a well known story that someone asked Jimi Hendrix "What is it like to be the world's greatest guitarist?", to which Hendrix replied, "I don't know. Go as Phil Keaggy". Whether or not that story is true, it still speaks volumes about his techinical ability and stage prescence. He is a Christian artist, so if you have a problem with that, then pass. But if you want to see something really incredible, then check him out. No affiliation whatsoever...I just wanted to let everybody know since i hadn't seen it mentioned yet. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 10:35:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HEWHs23823; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <20040816181243.50896.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20040816234749.050fcb40@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:30:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4842C.07E21120"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0006.2205 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 14:30:05.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0BACFA0:01C48466] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4842C.07E21120 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C4842C.07E48220" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C4842C.07E48220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another suggestion might be to remove any digital effects / processing = device from the signal chain upstream of the DL4, if any. If that makes = the whine go away, it would point to aliasing by the DL4 digitizer of = any not-so-high frequency spurious noise output from the digital effects = device. Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kim Flint=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: DL-4 hum/buzz when half-speed overdubbing? At 11:12 AM 8/16/2004, Greg House wrote: >--- Nic Roozeboom = > wrote: > > > This behavior (especially since both units exhibit it) could be=20 > consistent with > > a nearby noise source being sampled and aliased into the audible=20 > spectrum. Have > > you recently added something to your setup or environment that = radiates=20 > - like > > a monitor, something with a switched mode power supply (e.g. = computer) or > > wireless link? > >My friend had terrible noise problems with a DL4 on his pedalboard = until he >physically moved it away from his power strip (which contained a = couple of >warts). I suspected the wall wart also when I heard this story. A couple = possibilities: - Wall warts normally are not well shielded and use low cost = transformers=20 that radiate a lot of 60Hz hum. Nearby devices that are also not well=20 shielded can pick up this hum and make it part of the audio signal in=20 various ways. (as the other guys noted.) - Wall warts (and other types of power supplies) can generate "common = mode"=20 current. Normally a power supply should drive current out on the power = and=20 receive it back equally on the ground. Common Mode current is driven = out on=20 both, and finds some other path back to earth ground. This can happen = if=20 the wall wart is not designed well, or uses a cheap unbalanced = transformer,=20 or even with aging. This AC common mode current might find that path = to=20 earth through your audio cable grounds, in which case you get hum and = noise. My suggestions would be: Try moving the dl4 away from nearby wall = warts or=20 other power supplies as others suggested; Try replacing the wall wart = (or=20 using batteries to check if that is the problem.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | = http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C4842C.07E48220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another suggestion might be to remove any digital effects / = processing=20 device from the signal chain upstream of the DL4, if any. If that makes=20 the whine go away, it would point to aliasing by the DL4 digitizer = of any=20 not-so-high frequency spurious noise output from the digital effects=20 device.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Flint
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 = 12:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: DL-4 hum/buzz when = half-speed overdubbing?

At 11:12 AM 8/16/2004, Greg House wrote:
>--- Nic = Roozeboom <Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com>=20 wrote:
>
> > This behavior (especially since both units = exhibit=20 it) could be
> consistent with
> > a nearby noise = source being=20 sampled and aliased into the audible
> spectrum. Have
> = > you=20 recently added something to your setup or environment that radiates =
> -=20 like
> > a monitor, something with a switched mode power = supply (e.g.=20 computer) or
> > wireless link?
>
>My friend had = terrible=20 noise problems with a DL4 on his pedalboard until he
>physically = moved=20 it away from his power strip (which contained a couple=20 of
>warts).

I suspected the wall wart also when I heard = this=20 story. A couple possibilities:

- Wall warts normally are not = well=20 shielded and use low cost transformers
that radiate a lot of 60Hz = hum.=20 Nearby devices that are also not well
shielded can pick up this = hum and=20 make it part of the audio signal in
various ways. (as the other = guys=20 noted.)

- Wall warts (and other types of power supplies) can = generate=20 "common mode"
current. Normally a power supply should drive = current out on=20 the power and
receive it back equally on the ground. Common Mode = current=20 is driven out on
both, and finds some other path back to earth = ground.=20 This can happen if
the wall wart is not designed well, or uses a = cheap=20 unbalanced transformer,
or even with aging. This AC common mode = current=20 might find that path to
earth through your audio cable grounds, in = which=20 case you get hum and noise.

My suggestions would be: Try moving = the dl4=20 away from nearby wall warts or
other power supplies as others = suggested;=20 Try replacing the wall wart (or
using batteries to check if that = is the=20 = problem.)

kim



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Kim=20 = Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
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------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C4842C.07E48220-- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4842C.07E21120 Content-Type: image/gif; name="greypixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIcAAJmZmQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAP8ALAAAAAABAAEA AAgEAAEEBAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4842C.07E21120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 10:43:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HEdPQ25571; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:37:03 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c48467$aa1cf960$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20040817132004.39615.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c48461$a2daf810$6701a8c0@server> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, I meant to type: www.philkeaggy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Carabee" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Phil Keaggy DVD > If you guys want to hear an incredible live looper (loopist?), then get over > to > > www.philkeaggy.org > > and order his new live DVD. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 10:43:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HEeJX25676; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show announce: 919noisenight#5, Raleigh NC, Thursday 19 August 2004 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listmembers Adrian and I are playing this Thursday as part of a looping instrumental improv project we're calling metaArclight. If you're in the area and stop by, say hello if you like. obLoop: metaArclight will use several pieces of floor-mounted looping gear, including a DL-4, 2 E-H 16sec delay reissues, Akai Headrush E1, RC-20 Loopstation, and a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. I'd be surprised if we are the only looping performers of the four sets this Thursday. Also, if you're ever coming through the RTP area of NC, drop me an email as early as possible and I'll be glad to offer advice of where to play or help set up a show, even if it's just a house concert. Ok, on to the actual show announcement. ---- 919noise holds monthly performance nights, usually on the third Thursday of the month. 919noisenight#5 is this Thursday, 19 August 2004, at Bickett Gallery near Five Points in Raleigh NC. Performances this month by: 1. Sensei: ambient guitar project by Raymond Warden. 2. SK Fun Duo: Kirk Adam & Michael Erwin (both of 7 Years in Space) playing several Casio Sk-1 (& SKs) sampling keyboards. 3. National Holographic: Jason King and Ted Johnson (Groove Stream Attractor and several other projects) create improvised ambient soundscapes using samplers, synthesizers,and various effect boxes. 4. metaArclight: Adrian Likins (Phasmatodea) on softsynth game controller and other gadgets, Anthony Staton (Soulpreacher, Subscape Annex) on gutterals and percussion, and Steve Burnett (Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea) on tortured electric upright bass. Video overlay for metaArclight will be provided by Todd and Carlo. Time: 9pm. Cost: $5.00, $4.00 for 919noise list members. Directions: http://www.bickettgallery.com/08contact.html Explanations: http://www.919noise.org/ and click "About 919noise". best, Steve -- Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 11:11:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HF8hG32229; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:08:31 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Start/Stop on EDP In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20040816232141.0444bb50@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41221F6F.4080309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040816232141.0444bb50@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4kB2NC.A.BsH.D8hIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > > You can even trigger loops this way using the sampler triggers, with > SamplerStyle set to One. That way you could play the note for a given > loop on a keyboard or other midi controller, and it will trigger the > loop to play once. If you turn on velocity, the loop volume will be > according to how hard you play the note. When Velocity is on, does this behave as if you were virtually twisting the Output knob, meaning the attenuation will persist after you stop triggering and move on to other things (e.g. Reset, Record)? Or is it a transient thing whose effect will be canceled when you switch modes? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 11:25:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HFNov02325; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:23:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:23:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040817152247.56850.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Live, EDP, and plug-ins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > Wow, lucky you to have a Micromodular! I was just > going to buy one that > I had spotted second hand but today it was sold ;-( I got mine from NovaMusik for $299 new. My bandmate is trying to decide whether to get one for himself rom NovaMusik, try to win an eBay auction (the thrill of the hunt is worth saving $25 for some ;)), or spend even more money on a Nord Modular G2 Engine, which is not compatible with the patches I've been spending hours digging up. I've focused on audio input processing patches, and there are some good ones for experimental/improv use. > noises). BTW, I > guess Numerology can also be used to sequence EDP > actions. I tried using it to twist a virtual knob in one of my Micromodular patches, sending MIDI CC via a CCOut module. Works great! Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 12:34:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7HGWbu14869; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.212.78] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Start/Stop on EDP Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:30:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 16:30:51.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F336020:01C48477] Resent-Message-ID: <_MpOgB.A.ZjD.BLjIBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to say a big thanks to all of the people who helped me unlock another door of options on the EDP. I knew there would be a way todo this, I just didnt know how, I guess my old D.J. use of the deffinition "Mute" (ie music keeps playing on underneath but you cant hear it) clouded my ability to find what i was looking for. thanks for the mutemode hints too, Ive found some new avenues for the future!! Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Download FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 20:53:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7I0kiV18209; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:45:16 EDT Subject: battery powered amp.....5 lbs. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.44419636.2e54009c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bd.44419636.2e54009c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit who knows?.....Click Here: Check out "SurfCityMusic: Andale Stores" --part1_bd.44419636.2e54009c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable who knows?.....Click Here: Check out "SurfCityMusic: Andale Stores"<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Optima" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"4"><= /HTML> --part1_bd.44419636.2e54009c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 21:47:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7I1kBn06632; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: More battery powered amps Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:43:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSEvRdulZafEVi9RB2rHWBtk9Tl0gAB3F+w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040818014359.MAYW3348.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about this? http://www.aampselectricguitarstore.com/pignose/pignose_pa_portable.html It is a knockoff of the Anchor Audio MiniVox--I have that one, and it is useful-- Gary Nemo wrote: who knows?.....Click Here: Check out "SurfCityMusic: Andale Stores" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 17 22:50:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7I2mO728756; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:48:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:48:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Noise from Guitar grounding--OT? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:46:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040816183524.LOXK7117.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only way I got around the single coil issue was to move to a good sounding stacked humbucking "single coil" sounding PU. I use Kinmans, made in Australia, available direct, as far as I know, somewhat expensive, but worth it. The new noiseless fender, as welll as models from Duncan and Dimarzio are worth checking out, as well. Every major manufacturer has seemed to improve on their designs over the last 10 years. Some tone snobs look down on them, I know, but it was the only way I found that I could use a long chain of signal processing gear, old tube amps and computer gear, without picking up Radio Luxemburg or going insane. Sheilding helps, but not as much has humbucking designs. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:35 AM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: Noise from Guitar grounding--OT? Hi-- As long as noise is a topic, let me ask this question-- I have a problem with noise being introduced into loops from the guitar side of my doubleneck Ztar--seems the single coil pickups don't like being in the same body as a computer-- I just ordered an ISP Decimator. Anyone have any experience with this one? The noise is especially bad with higher gain settings . . . Cheers, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 05:31:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7I9MH524719; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Peoria IL US gig post: the Suit & Tie Guy Band Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:19:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll be playing tonight at the Red Barn (corner of Glen and Sheridan) with a drummer, a percussionist (who is also a textural guitar looper), and a guitarist, from 9pm to 12.30am. i will not be looping the Hammond, i will be looping the Moog Liberation through my PCM-80/H3000SE rack however. yes, this is a bar gig. believe it or not. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 08:24:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ICMXt04305; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:22:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttVy3m6/u8PWljpvX0koNlBxULA40uYggcQ== X-Originating-IP: [63.191.128.43] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:19:49 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peoria IL US gig post: the Suit & Tie Guy Band X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040818.051955.12675.335619@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2607627055 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey that's great! I wish I could see more people on the list play their instruments. I am playing a bar gig this Fri. and Sat. in Charleston, West Virginia and we will be using an EDP, Repeater, RC-20 & a RC-20XL for looping a Godin Multiac,GR-33,Roland XP-50, Cuatro, and a classical guitar doing Latin Loops all night. We call ourselved Refried Beans.... We sing, we dance, we drink... It's all fun! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 08:40:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ICWqp07186; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41234C9D.7000902@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:33:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #386 for August 12, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040812.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #386 August 12, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I coninued the month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Innerseed" on Free Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Atem" by Tangerine Dream on Ohr Records. Dom F. Scab - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Circulation of Events Atem (Ohr) Free System Projekt In the Oceans of Tethys Protoavis (Quantum) Radio Massacre 23 Craters Full of Some People Would Really Like Space International Sort of Moondust Rock If They Would Only Give It a Try (Northern Echo) Psicodreamics Descensus Averni Eternal Angel (none) Navigator Biodiver Airwaves (Groove) Steve Roach and track 1 Spirit Dome (Projekt) vidnaObmana 12:00 am Dom F. Scab Inner Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Heart of the Machine Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Fear to Void Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Isolated Changes Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Distance Sorrow Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Sigrid in the Opal City Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Dunadain Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Saving Dreams Innerseed (Free Records) Dom F. Scab Seed Innerseed (Free Records) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Twelve Stories" on the Margen label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Alpha Centauri" by Tangerine Dream on Brain Records. This program ©2004 Bill Fox EMUSIC ©1997 Bill Fox All rights reserved worldwide. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 09:24:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IDMiS19380; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040818132151.72995.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Pedalboards anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040817132004.39615.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am of course open to recommendations for other brands of pedalboards. I searched the Loopers Delight archives and the most recent post on the topic was in 2000. Surely something better has come along since that time? ;) Paolo --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Anybody use this? > > http://www.pedalpad.com/product.htm > > I recently joined a band in which I am the > electronic > effects tweaker/noise dude. The duffle bag I use to > carry my gear is getting heavier and heavier as gear > accumulates. I figure on getting a case to carry > the > gear would provide better protection. The built in > power supply would be a nice convenience too. > > Paolo > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 09:37:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IDXeb21873; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48527.DA44A50C" Subject: Musique concrete revisited... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Musique concrete revisited... Thread-Index: AcSFJ95bORJfOk3IT2qX93YYWRL6NA== From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 13:32:52.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC69B370:01C48527] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48527.DA44A50C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of looping = and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by = this limited means to create electronic music. There is a certain charm = to using limiting means to create music. This desire to use analogue = tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the fact that = anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music just by pushing = a mouse button.=20 =20 The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses analogue = tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track = tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, = surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not!=20 =20 Okay here is the proposed idea... =20 First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape recorders = for sale and most under $20.00.=20 =20 Here is the plan... There is actually 2 parts to the process. =20 Open the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play and = erase head.=20 Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can be = made longer and spliced together.=20 =20 Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. Take out the tape. Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.) Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head. Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape = reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track. =20 Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now the = fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as: 1] Add additional play heads=20 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels. 3} Add cassette record heads 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it was = called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. = Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage = record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but at certain = points switch to a new track and record there. So now you have random = material on different tracks. Also you could place metal strips at = different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it = plays. 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks = manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to = switch tracks randomly 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not = work. 7] Use better quality audio tape.=20 =20 You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a = different place. Leo=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48527.DA44A50C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently have = become=20 interested in going back to the basics of looping and the musique = concrete=20 technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by this limited means to create = electronic music. There is a certain charm to using limiting means = to=20 create music. This desire to use analogue tape as a way to create = electronic=20 music comes from the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create=20 electronic music just by pushing a mouse button.
 
The following is a = descript of=20 a device I am creating that uses analogue tape and old 8-track tape = cartridges=20 (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made = 8-track=20 tape cartridge recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? = Why=20 not!
 
Okay here is the = proposed=20 idea...
 
First I did a search on the web and = found=20 several 8-track tape recorders for sale and most under $20.00.=20
 
Here is the=20 plan...
There is actually 2 = parts=20 to the = process.
 
Open the = 8-track tape=20 recorder up to get access to the record, play and erase head.=20
Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the = tape can be=20 made longer and spliced together.
 
Next open an = 8-Track tape=20 cartridge.
Take out the=20 tape.
Cut a strip of tape = about 2=20 feet long.
Splice the ends = together. (This=20 will be our looping tape.)
Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record=20 head.
Now start=20 the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape reaches = the=20 sensor the track automatically changes to a new=20 track.
 
Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, = however now the=20 fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such=20 as:
1] Add additional play heads
2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record=20 channels.
3} Add cassette record heads
4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program = as it was=20 called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. = Imagine=20 placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage record.=20 Now what will happen is the tape = will=20 record, but at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So = now you=20 have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal = strips at=20 different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it=20 plays.
5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks=20 manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to = switch=20 tracks randomly
6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may = not=20 work.
7] Use better quality audio tape.
 
You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete = approach to a=20 different place.

Leo

------_=_NextPart_001_01C48527.DA44A50C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 10:05:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IE3GL29959; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:03:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: Loopers in Australia Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:05:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2315EC66-ED0B-11D8-81B7-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <9Ow4T.A.j-G.vF2IBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there any Australian Loopers on this list? Please contact me off list. Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 10:40:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IEbJD07398; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:37:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48530.B6954429" Subject: Another technique for electronic organic looping... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C2@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Another technique for electronic organic looping... Thread-Index: AcSFMLoaqQBAoumnSbyZ06PX4E5txw== From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 14:36:09.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[B40C83E0:01C48530] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48530.B6954429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About 2 years ago I discovered a technique for manipulating old obsolete = electronic toys called circuit bending . I have since bent a few things = into new electronic random looping devices. Mainly one in particular I = call CORROSIVE MODULATOR. This device is very unique as it is always = different and a very interesting creation. At times, the loops I have = heard it create sound organic like, loops that evolve on thier own. What = I plan to do is finish making my 8-track analogue loop randomizer and = build in the corrosive modulator circuit. What this will give me is = randomization looping on 2 levels, which will be true unpredictable = compositions the the device will create. =20 By the way I am new to LOOPERS D. I really like this site. I hope to = have some compositions to contribute soon. Leo=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48530.B6954429 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
About 2 years ago I = discovered=20 a technique for manipulating old obsolete electronic toys called circuit = bending . I have since bent a few things into new electronic random = looping=20 devices. Mainly one in particular I call CORROSIVE MODULATOR. This = device=20 is very unique as it is always different and a very interesting = creation. At=20 times, the loops I have heard it create sound organic like, = loops that=20 evolve on thier own. What I plan to do is finish making my 8-track = analogue=20 loop randomizer and build in the corrosive modulator circuit. What this = will=20 give me is randomization looping on 2 levels, which will be true = unpredictable=20 compositions the the device will create.
 
By the way I am new = to LOOPERS=20 D. I really like this site. I hope to have some compositions to = contribute=20 soon.

Leo

------_=_NextPart_001_01C48530.B6954429-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 10:52:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IEnK611037; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:49:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:49:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Another technique for electronic organic looping... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:51:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C2@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <4qKQn.A.mqC.Qx2IBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Leo Regarding your previous post, check this: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/multitrack.html Consider coming to Y2K4 Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz, October, 9th and 10th to meet up with other loopers in person! Welcome to the list! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Sauvageau Leo [mailto:Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 16:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another technique for electronic organic looping... About 2 years ago I discovered a technique for manipulating old obsolete electronic toys called circuit bending . I have since bent a few things into new electronic random looping devices. Mainly one in particular I call CORROSIVE MODULATOR. This device is very unique as it is always different and a very interesting creation. At times, the loops I have heard it create sound organic like, loops that evolve on thier own. What I plan to do is finish making my 8-track analogue loop randomizer and build in the corrosive modulator circuit. What this will give me is randomization looping on 2 levels, which will be true unpredictable compositions the the device will create. By the way I am new to LOOPERS D. I really like this site. I hope to have some compositions to contribute soon. Leo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 11:37:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IFSiK20891; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040818082634.0163f908@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:27:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Pedalboards anyone? In-Reply-To: <20040818132151.72995.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040817132004.39615.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <81Xoi.A.iEF.4V3IBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This guy seems to have a pretty good selection and allows customization (but no builtin power supply): http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ At 06:21 AM 2004.08.18, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >I am of course open to recommendations for other >brands of pedalboards. I searched the Loopers Delight >archives and the most recent post on the topic was in >2000. Surely something better has come along since >that time? ;) > >Paolo > >--- Paolo Valladolid >wrote: > > > Anybody use this? > > > > http://www.pedalpad.com/product.htm > > > > I recently joined a band in which I am the > > electronic > > effects tweaker/noise dude. The duffle bag I use to > > carry my gear is getting heavier and heavier as gear > > accumulates. I figure on getting a case to carry > > the > > gear would provide better protection. The built in > > power supply would be a nice convenience too. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 11:44:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IFgTD23555; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Another technique for electronic organic looping... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:41:40 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C3@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Another technique for electronic organic looping... Thread-Index: AcSFMtKmxAY3BoYcROas078CUEUTGgAA1h+g From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 15:41:41.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBB81180:01C48539] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7IFfsh23450 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I seen this post about the cassette technique. Very ingenious!!! This is what prompted me to look into the 8-track technique. I'm pretty excited to finish this as it brings me back to the Schaffer, Stockhausen, Riley, Cage, Eno, and Raymond Scott era. There is something romantic about going back to that era. It wasn't until recently that I thought about going back to the tape technique. I have been buying a few books lately from the 50's and 60's about electronic music and tape manipulation. Again I really just want to push the limits on limitation. Yeah I can very easily chop, mangle, reverse samples. And I certainly will continue this way of working. But the analog tape manipulation is just intriguing to me. To work as my hero's did is just interesting to me. I am a great fan of the synthesizer and have many many old ones. This will continue to be my passion. But my fascination with synthesizers has become much broader. It now includes the history of electronic instruments, and electronic technique. Another manipulation I would like to try is with tube technology. Unfortunately my knowledge with this area is quite limited. My electronics knowledge is also limited, but adding switched and tape heads is just soldering and this I have practiced enough. -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Another technique for electronic organic looping... Hi Leo Regarding your previous post, check this: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/multitrack.html Consider coming to Y2K4 Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz, October, 9th and 10th to meet up with other loopers in person! Welcome to the list! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Sauvageau Leo [mailto:Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 18. August 2004 16:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another technique for electronic organic looping... About 2 years ago I discovered a technique for manipulating old obsolete electronic toys called circuit bending . I have since bent a few things into new electronic random looping devices. Mainly one in particular I call CORROSIVE MODULATOR. This device is very unique as it is always different and a very interesting creation. At times, the loops I have heard it create sound organic like, loops that evolve on thier own. What I plan to do is finish making my 8-track analogue loop randomizer and build in the corrosive modulator circuit. What this will give me is randomization looping on 2 levels, which will be true unpredictable compositions the the device will create. By the way I am new to LOOPERS D. I really like this site. I hope to have some compositions to contribute soon. Leo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 12:01:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IFxEJ28826; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040818155834.23947.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Peoria IL US gig post: the Suit & Tie Guy Band To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd come see you tonight too, since I practically live right down the street from there, but you'll be finished by the time I get off work tonight. I hope I can catch you on one of my off nights, I'd love to see how it's done(or at least how you do it). Bri --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > i'll be playing tonight at the Red Barn (corner of > Glen and Sheridan) > with a drummer, a percussionist (who is also a > textural guitar looper), > and a guitarist, from 9pm to 12.30am. > > i will not be looping the Hammond, i will be looping > the Moog > Liberation through my PCM-80/H3000SE rack however. > yes, this is a bar > gig. believe it or not. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 12:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IG9IF30796; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c4853d$8fe44ea0$cc073e18@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: Subject: boston area shows Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:08:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C4851C.08A97BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C4851C.08A97BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey all, i have a bunch of shows coming up both with the lothars (ambient theremin/electronic ensemble), and the jambient project (improvisational dance music). fri, aug. 20 8:45-9:45 lowell southeast asian water festival: the jambient project will be playing downtown lowell (corner of market and central streets) for the floating candles ceremony. more info at http://www.lowellwaterfestival.org/ (directions at bottom) fri, sept. 3 retro hugo awards ceremony (1953 hugo awards were never given) at noreascon (this years world sci fi convention): the lothars are the "house band" for the ceremony, with 30 min sets before and after the event (at the hynes convention center in boston). more info at www.noreascon.org sat, sept. 4 10:45-2 the jambient project plays a dance at noreascon sun, sept. 5 6:30-7:30 the lothars play at noreascon ...also, the following sunday the lothars are playing at the ramakrisha = vidanta center in providence as part of an interfaith service. if you = are interested in coming to this, please let me know. deknow the lothars: jon- theremin kris- theremin ramona- hammered dulcimer deknow- electronix the jambient project: bob- electronic percussion and synths mark- guitar and fx deknow- electronix doctor t- video impovsiation/projection for these shows, i'll be playing windcontroller (wx5/7, vl70m) repeater (looper) dsi evolver buchla thunder audiomulch laptop akai dps16 Lowell Water Festival Directions: 495 or 3 to the lowell connector Follow connector to the end and take a left (Gorham Street) Gorham becomes Central Street After crossing canal, bear right onto Prescott Street Right onto East Merrimack street 2nd building on your right is Middlesex Community College (big new = looking brick building), the show is in the back. There is some parking = right in front, and plenty on the street nearby. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C4851C.08A97BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey all, i = have a bunch of=20 shows coming up both with the lothars
(ambient theremin/electronic = ensemble),=20 and the jambient project
(improvisational dance = music).


fri, aug.=20 20 8:45-9:45 lowell southeast asian water festival: the
jambient = project will=20 be playing downtown lowell (corner of market
and central streets) for = the=20 floating candles ceremony. more info at
http://www.lowellwaterfestival.org/ (directions=20 at bottom)

fri, sept. 3 retro hugo = awards=20 ceremony (1953 hugo awards were never
given) at noreascon (this years = world=20 sci fi convention): the
lothars are the "house band" for the = ceremony, with=20 30 min sets
before and after the event (at the hynes convention = center=20 in
boston). more info at www.noreascon.org

sat, sept. 4 = 10:45-2 the=20 jambient project plays a dance at noreascon

sun, sept. 5 = 6:30-7:30 the=20 lothars play at noreascon
...also, the = following=20 sunday the lothars are playing at the ramakrisha vidanta = center in=20 providence as part of an interfaith service.  if you are interested = in=20 coming to this, please let me know.
 
deknow


the lothars:
jon- theremin
kris- theremin
ramona- = hammered=20 dulcimer
deknow- electronix

the jambient project:
bob- = electronic=20 percussion and synths
mark- guitar and fx
deknow- electronix
doctor t- video=20 impovsiation/projection


for these shows, i'll be=20 playing
windcontroller (wx5/7, vl70m)
repeater (looper)
dsi=20 evolver
buchla thunder
audiomulch
laptop
akai=20 dps16
 
 
 
Lowell Water = Festival=20 Directions:
 
495 or 3 to the lowell=20 connector
Follow connector to the end and = take a left=20 (Gorham Street)
Gorham becomes Central = Street
After crossing canal, bear = right onto=20 Prescott Street
Right onto East Merrimack=20 street
2nd building on your right is = Middlesex=20 Community College (big new looking brick building), the show is in the=20 back.  There is some parking right in front, and plenty on the = street=20 nearby.
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C4851C.08A97BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 12:34:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IGVWv02614; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:20:35 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Pedalboards anyone? To: Sean Echevarria , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002c01c48540$d29ca960$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040818082634.0163f908@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paolo! Check this fellow out: http://www.pedalboards.com/index.html These are serious boards, custom built with sick options - mic stands sprouting from boards, waist-high controller stands, etc. etc. and lots of looper-friendly boards (photo 1a is Scofield's I believe.) I confess I'm slightly prejudiced - Tom Peck, the man behind these boards, is a friend-of-a-friend and has worked with some of my longtime friends and music buddies for ten-plus years. He also employs one of my longtime friends, a real detail freak - just the person you want to build such a tool! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > At 06:21 AM 2004.08.18, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >I am of course open to recommendations for other > >brands of pedalboards. I searched the Loopers Delight > >archives and the most recent post on the topic was in > >2000. Surely something better has come along since > >that time? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 12:42:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IGePl05376; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c48542$0033b160$cc073e18@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: References: <20040818132151.72995.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pedalboards anyone? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:39:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2X9goC.A.hSB.jZ4IBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since i have a number of shows coming up that won't allow for long setup times (and i also have all the mixing, recording, and pa gear as part of my setup), i decided i needed to have things presetup...so here is what i did (it's not permanent, it isn't well protected, but it is movable). i had a 4 space rack bag...i pulled the cover off, and mounted my rack stuff (repeater, vl70m, maudio mobil pre, proteus world). on the top, i glued (a glue gun with slow setting glue) a piece of cardboard, and to the cardboard i glued the evolver, rv3, and midiman 2x2 midi interface. after wiring all the power (to a powerstrip)and permanent audio, i glued all them down ontop or inside. for setup, i plug the rack in, analog audio to the evolver and usb interface, spdif to the repeater (all to the mixer), wind controller to vl70 (front pannel wx connection), usb to the audio and midi interfaces, and the thunder out to midi interface. all stray wires are glued well enough to not flop around. eventually, i'll build something more permanent that can be closed up, that will tilt the rack stuff up a little. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 15:22:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IJKqE22915; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48558.3CA064A4" Subject: 8-track looper continued... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C5@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 8-track looper continued... Thread-Index: AcSFWEAFN6h5q3VxTR2YQrF85aQjOQ== From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 19:19:10.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D5CE190:01C48558] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48558.3CA064A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had a thought, as I've been researching the 8-track tape and = player/recorder for my 8-track looping device. The eight track cartridge = contains a loop of tape, a really long loop of tape, so theoretically = the loop could still be contained in the cartridge. Which means your = loop could be of any length...5 min loop anyone. This opens more = possibilities to us. This makes constructing it much easier. =20 The additional metal strips can now be placed further apart for tape = switching at later times Leo=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48558.3CA064A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just had a thought, = as I've=20 been researching the 8-track tape and player/recorder for my = 8-track=20 looping device. The eight track cartridge contains a loop of tape, = a really=20 long loop of tape, so theoretically the loop could still be contained in = the=20 cartridge. Which means your loop could be of any length...5 min loop = anyone.=20 This opens more possibilities to us. This makes constructing it much=20 easier.
 
The = additional metal=20 strips can now be placed further apart for tape switching at later=20 times

Leo

------_=_NextPart_001_01C48558.3CA064A4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 15:52:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IJoOI01973; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:45:10 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> In-Reply-To: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070405030406040004010507" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070405030406040004010507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leo, this is awesome! Thanks for the interesting and informative post. I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, definitely a lot of potential there. It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole process in a document. Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of > looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am > intrigued by this limited means to create electronic music. There is a > certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire to > use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the > fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music > just by pushing a mouse button. > > The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses > analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) > and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge > recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! > > Okay here is the proposed idea... > > First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape > recorders for sale and most under $20.00. > > Here is the plan... > There is actually 2 parts to the process. > > Open the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play > and erase head. > Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can > be made longer and spliced together. > > Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. > Take out the tape. > Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. > Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.) > Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head. > Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the > tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track. > > Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now > the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as: > 1] Add additional play heads > 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels. > 3} Add cassette record heads > 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it > was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization > trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape > and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but > at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you > have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal > strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would > switch as it plays. > 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks > manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to > switch tracks randomly > 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not work. > 7] Use better quality audio tape. > > You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a > different place. > > Leo > --------------070405030406040004010507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Leo, this is awesome!  Thanks for the interesting and informative post.  I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, definitely a lot of potential there.

It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole process in a document.   Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by this limited means to create electronic music. There is a certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire to use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music just by pushing a mouse button.
 
The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not!
 
Okay here is the proposed idea...
 
First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape recorders for sale and most under $20.00.
 
Here is the plan...
There is actually 2 parts to the process.
 
Open the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play and erase head.
Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can be made longer and spliced together.
 
Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge.
Take out the tape.
Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long.
Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.)
Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head.
Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track.
 
Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as:
1] Add additional play heads
2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels.
3} Add cassette record heads
4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it plays.
5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to switch tracks randomly
6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not work.
7] Use better quality audio tape.
 
You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a different place.

Leo


--------------070405030406040004010507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 16:29:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IKRoW13744; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:27:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.285f2755.2e551558@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:26:00 EDT Subject: Re: 8-track looper continued... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.285f2755.2e551558_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.285f2755.2e551558_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/04 3:20:02 PM, Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com writes: > Just had a thought > go leo go!.....i love watching obsession.....:).....michael --part1_1e2.285f2755.2e551558_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/18/04 3:20:02 PM, Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com writes:

Just had a thought


go leo go!.....i love watching obsession.....:).....michael --part1_1e2.285f2755.2e551558_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 16:55:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IKqxC20169; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-738452133 Message-Id: <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:51:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-738452133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio examples were pretty interesting... wish i still had the link... best bruce On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Daryl wrote: > > Leo, this is awesome!=A0 Thanks for the interesting and informative=20= > post.=A0 I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing=20 > programs, definitely a lot of potential there. > > It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole=20 > process in a document. =A0 Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too. > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of=20 > looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am=20 > intrigued by this limited means to create electronic=A0music. There is = a=20 > certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire to=20= > use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the=20= > fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music=20 > just by pushing a mouse button. > =A0 > The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses=20 > analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes)=20= > and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge=20= > recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! > =A0 > Okay here is the proposed idea... > =A0 > > First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape=20 > recorders for sale and most under $20.00. > =A0 > Here is the plan... > There is actually 2 parts to=A0the process. > =A0 > Open=A0the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play=20= > and erase head. > Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can=20= > be made longer and spliced together. > > =A0 > Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. > Take out the tape. > > Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. > Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.) > Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head. > Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the=20 > tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new=20 > track. > =A0 > Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now=20= > the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such=20= > as: > 1] Add additional play heads > 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record=20 > channels. > 3} Add cassette record heads > 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it=20= > was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization=20 > trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape=20= > and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but=20= > at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you=20= > have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal=20= > strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would=20 > switch as it plays. > 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks=20 > manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to=20= > switch tracks randomly > 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not=20 > work. > 7] Use better quality audio tape. > =A0 > You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a=20= > different place. > > Leo > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-2-738452133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio examples were pretty interesting... wish i still had the link... best bruce On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Daryl wrote: Leo, this is awesome!=A0 Thanks for the interesting and informative post.=A0 I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, definitely a lot of potential there. It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole process in a document. =A0 Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too. Daryl Shawn 0000,0000,EEEEhighhorse@mhorse.com I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by this limited means to create electronic=A0music. There is a certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire to use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music just by pushing a mouse button. =A0 The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! =A0 Okay here is the proposed idea... =A0 First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape recorders for sale and most under $20.00. =A0 Here is the plan... There is actually 2 parts to=A0the process. =A0 Open=A0the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play and erase head. Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can be made longer and spliced together. =A0 Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. Take out the tape. Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping = tape.) Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record = head. Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track. =A0 Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as: 1] Add additional play heads 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels. 3} Add cassette record heads 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it plays. 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to switch tracks randomly 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not work. 7] Use better quality audio tape. =A0 You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a different place. Comic Sans = MSLeo =20 bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-2-738452133-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 17:16:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7IL9tN24847; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:09:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-739529337 Message-Id: From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:09:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-739529337 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sounds like the Magnatron- http://audible-ism.com/soundart/magna/tapefield.html Best- Mark On Aug 18, 2004, at 1:51 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is > an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... > basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised > of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played > with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips > up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio > examples were pretty interesting... > wish i still had the link... > best > bruce > > On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Daryl wrote: > >> >> Leo, this is awesome!=A0 Thanks for the interesting and informative=20= >> post.=A0 I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing=20 >> programs, definitely a lot of potential there. >> >> It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole=20= >> process in a document. =A0 Some photos, or diagrams would be nice = too. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> highhorse@mhorse.com >> >> >> I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of=20 >> looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am=20 >> intrigued by this limited means to create electronic=A0music. There = is=20 >> a certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire=20= >> to use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from=20= >> the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic=20 >> music just by pushing a mouse button. >> =A0 >> The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses=20 >> analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes)=20= >> and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge=20= >> recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! >> =A0 >> Okay here is the proposed idea... >> =A0 >> >> First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape=20 >> recorders for sale and most under $20.00. >> =A0 >> Here is the plan... >> There is actually 2 parts to=A0the process. >> =A0 >> Open=A0the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play=20= >> and erase head. >> Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape=20 >> can be made longer and spliced together. >> >> =A0 >> Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. >> Take out the tape. >> >> Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. >> Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.) >> Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head. >> Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the=20= >> tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new=20 >> track. >> =A0 >> Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now=20= >> the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such=20= >> as: >> 1] Add additional play heads >> 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record=20 >> channels. >> 3} Add cassette record heads >> 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it=20= >> was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization=20 >> trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape=20= >> and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but=20= >> at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you=20= >> have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal=20= >> strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would=20 >> switch as it plays. >> 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks=20 >> manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to=20= >> switch tracks randomly >> 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not=20= >> work. >> 7] Use better quality audio tape. >> =A0 >> You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to=20= >> a different place. >> >> Leo >> >> > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-3-739529337 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like the Magnatron- http://audible-ism.com/soundart/magna/tapefield.html Best- Mark=20 On Aug 18, 2004, at 1:51 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio examples were pretty interesting... wish i still had the link... best bruce On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Daryl wrote: Leo, this is awesome!=A0 Thanks for the interesting and informative post.=A0 I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, definitely a lot of potential there. It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole process in a document. =A0 Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too. Daryl Shawn 0000,0000,EEEDhighhorse@mhorse.com I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by this limited means to create electronic=A0music. There is a certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire to use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music just by pushing a mouse button. =A0 The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! =A0 Okay here is the proposed idea... =A0 First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape recorders for sale and most under $20.00. =A0 Here is the plan... There is actually 2 parts to=A0the process. =A0 Open=A0the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play and erase head. Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can be made longer and spliced together. =A0 Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. Take out the tape. Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping = tape.) Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record = head. Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track. =A0 Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as: 1] Add additional play heads 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels. 3} Add cassette record heads 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it plays. 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to switch tracks randomly 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not work. 7] Use better quality audio tape. =A0 You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a different place. Comic Sans = MSLeo =20 bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com = --Apple-Mail-3-739529337-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 17:53:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ILkNG02394; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-741669640 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:45:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-741669640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed that's it! thanks b On Aug 18, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Mark Landman wrote: > Sounds like the Magnatron- > > http://audible-ism.com/soundart/magna/tapefield.html > > Best- > > Mark > > > On Aug 18, 2004, at 1:51 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > >> on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is >> an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... >> basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised >> of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played >> with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips >> up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio >> examples were pretty interesting... >> wish i still had the link... >> best >> bruce >> >> On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Daryl wrote: >> >>> >>> Leo, this is awesome!=A0 Thanks for the interesting and informative=20= >>> post.=A0 I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing=20 >>> programs, definitely a lot of potential there. >>> >>> It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole=20= >>> process in a document. =A0 Some photos, or diagrams would be nice = too. >>> >>> Daryl Shawn >>> highhorse@mhorse.com >>> >>> >>> I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of=20 >>> looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am=20 >>> intrigued by this limited means to create electronic=A0music. There = is=20 >>> a certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire=20= >>> to use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from=20= >>> the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic=20 >>> music just by pushing a mouse button. >>> =A0 >>> The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses=20 >>> analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes)=20= >>> and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge=20= >>> recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! >>> =A0 >>> Okay here is the proposed idea... >>> =A0 >>> >>> First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape=20 >>> recorders for sale and most under $20.00. >>> =A0 >>> Here is the plan... >>> There is actually 2 parts to=A0the process. >>> =A0 >>> Open=A0the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, = play=20 >>> and erase head. >>> Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape=20= >>> can be made longer and spliced together. >>> >>> =A0 >>> Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. >>> Take out the tape. >>> >>> Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. >>> Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.) >>> Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head. >>> Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the=20= >>> tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new=20 >>> track. >>> =A0 >>> Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now=20= >>> the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added.=20 >>> Such as: >>> 1] Add additional play heads >>> 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record=20 >>> channels. >>> 3} Add cassette record heads >>> 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it=20= >>> was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization=20 >>> trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape=20= >>> and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but=20= >>> at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you=20= >>> have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal=20= >>> strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would=20 >>> switch as it plays. >>> 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks=20 >>> manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back=20= >>> to switch tracks randomly >>> 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not=20= >>> work. >>> 7] Use better quality audio tape. >>> =A0 >>> You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to=20= >>> a different place. >>> >>> Leo >>> >>> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-3-741669640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 that's it! thanks b On Aug 18, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Mark Landman wrote: Sounds like the Magnatron- http://audible-ism.com/soundart/magna/tapefield.html Best- Mark=20 On Aug 18, 2004, at 1:51 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio examples were pretty interesting... wish i still had the link... best bruce On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Daryl wrote: Leo, this is awesome!=A0 Thanks for the interesting and informative post.=A0 I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, definitely a lot of potential there. It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole process in a document. =A0 Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too. Daryl Shawn 0000,0000,EEEChighhorse@mhorse.com I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of looping and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by this limited means to create electronic=A0music. There is a certain charm to using limiting means to create music. This desire to use analogue tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music just by pushing a mouse button. =A0 The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses analogue tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not! =A0 Okay here is the proposed idea... =A0 First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape recorders for sale and most under $20.00. =A0 Here is the plan... There is actually 2 parts to=A0the process. =A0 Open=A0the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play and erase head. Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can be made longer and spliced together. =A0 Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. Take out the tape. Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping = tape.) Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record = head. Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track. =A0 Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as: 1] Add additional play heads 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels. 3} Add cassette record heads 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but at certain points switch to a new track and record there. So now you have random material on different tracks. Also you could place metal strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it plays. 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to switch tracks randomly 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not work. 7] Use better quality audio tape. =A0 You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a different place. Comic Sans = MSLeo =20 bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-3-741669640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 20:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7J0MZX26508; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:22:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:22:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040819002114.13017.qmail@web40713.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Pedalboards anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040818132151.72995.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I searched the Loopers Delight archives and the most >recent post on the topic was in 2000. I know I used to post a lot about pedalboards a couple of years ago. So much, in fact that I started a forum for them at -t- ps: I'm back! Hello to all my old loopbuds! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 21:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7J1iqf26503; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <199.2d786535.2e555f9e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:42:54 EDT Subject: Re: Pedalboards anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.2d786535.2e555f9e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <01kfgD.A.RVG.yWAJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.2d786535.2e555f9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/04 8:21:33 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > ps: I'm back! > i thought something was up!.....:).....michael --part1_199.2d786535.2e555f9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/18/04 8:21:33 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


ps: I'm back!


i thought something was up!.....:).....michael --part1_199.2d786535.2e555f9e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 22:18:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7J2GN504862; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:15:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:51 PM -0400 8/18/04, bruce tovsky wrote: >on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is >an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... >basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised >of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played >with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips >up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio >examples were pretty interesting... There was something along these lines in an issue of Source: Music of the Avant Garde (1967-72). This earlier instance was simpler, being just a rectangle of magnetic oxide and a hand-held playback head. As I recall the magnetic surface was bound right into the magazine. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 18 22:49:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7J2kVA11193; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C1@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> <4123B1C6.40201@mhorse.com> <5E9D94CE-F158-11D8-9DE7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:46:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, I haven't thought about Source magazine in a long, long time. I remember that issue, and you are correct the magnetic surface was stuck on a page. I think there were instructions as to how to rig up a tape head. There was also a diagram or discussion on how to run the head over the magnetic square. On Aug 18, 2004, at 9:15 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 4:51 PM -0400 8/18/04, bruce tovsky wrote: >> on a similar front, with possible looping applications, is >> an instrument i ran across researching 'bent electronics'... >> basically, it was a large square surface that was comprised >> of strips of 1/4" tape laid side-to-side. these strips are played >> with a tape head held in the hand. one can play the strips >> up and down, or for a wilder effect, sideways. the audio >> examples were pretty interesting... > > There was something along these lines in an issue of Source: Music of > the Avant Garde (1967-72). This earlier instance was simpler, being > just a rectangle of magnetic oxide and a hand-held playback head. As I > recall the magnetic surface was bound right into the magazine. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 00:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7J4D6E08199; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:04:38 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance lowell southeast asian water festival 8.20.04 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7J4BNh07564 Resent-Message-ID: <3uB8RD.A.i2B.shCJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations with The Jambient Project at the end of the Lowell Southeast Asian Water Festival, which looks pretty interesting overall. Lowell Water Festival Directions: 495 or 3 to the lowell connector Follow connector to the end and take a left (Gorham Street) Gorham becomes Central Street After crossing canal, bear right onto Prescott Street Right onto East Merrimack street 2nd building on your right is Middlesex Community College (big new looking brick building), the show is in the back. There is some parking right in front, and plenty on the street nearby. 1. 5:30 pm Traditional Music (CD) 2. 6:00 pm Introduction by MC and Event Coordinator, Tooch Van, Special Guests 3. 6:15 pm Blessing Ceremony Religious Presentations by Ajahn David Chutiko, English; Venerable Sao Khon, Khmer; Venerable Thich Thien Hue, Vietnamese; and Venerable Mangkone Dhammadharo, Laos. Followed by Blessing of event. 4. 6:45 pm Blessing Dance by Somaly Hay & Co. Dance of Best Wishes: Also known as the Blessing Dance, this piece is ritually performed at the beginning of all events and programs to rid evil spirits and to bring forth joy and happiness to the audience. 5. 6:55 pm Peace Dance Peace Dance: Somaly Hay is a Cambodian Court Dancer trained at the Royal Palace as a young child. The art of Cambodian Court dance, as all the arts of Cambodia, was nearly decimated during the Khmer Rouge regime in the 1970’s. Most of the nation’s artists were killed or forced to flee the country. In her search for spiritual understanding of the events of September 11, Somaly found her sorrow transformed to a feeling of peace, and was inspired to create this court dance as an expression of healing. The intent is to illustrate the power of the mind, spirit, and soul in achieving inner peace and tranquility. “We pray to the highest power - asking for peace and prosperity. Our dance is the gift of peace to all.” Performed by Somaly, Rithmaly, Sokphury, Nicole, Brenda, and Sophan. 6. 7:10 pm Tivea Propei (Glorious Day) Dance Glorious Day Dance: The text in the song accompanying the dance reads as follows: A glorious day of ours - The children all meet in solidarity - For friendship all over the world - Heartedly - not tiring - Living near and far without worries - Very happy - Solidarity in hand - Having glory and prosperity during our celebration - The coutry is properous because we love our nation. Performed by a special group of adopted children from Cambodia: Emma, Sothea, Srey Dy, James, Lea, and Solinda. 7. 7:20 pm Laos National Flower Dance by Tamara Phongsavad This dance is performed to honor this event with our treasured flowers. 8. 7:30 pm Bopha Lokei (Flower of the World) Dance Robam Bopha Lokei - Flower of the World Dance: The words in the song accompanying this dance are translated as follows: “Usually everybody wants flowers - For decoration or to decorate the body - The sweet scent of the flowers bring prosperity - The beauty of the flowers is like the beauty of the girls - Everybody admires the flowers - Even the bees surrounding the flowers want pollen - Flowers fully bloomed make you want to pick them and turn them into flower garlands.” 9. 7:40 pm Buong Suong (Wishing) Dance The Buong Suong Dance is the climax of a ritual traditionally performed to request the deceased king to protect the kingdom from drought, hunger, or other suffering, and to bring peace. Offerings are made to the four directions prior to the arrival of the dancers who unify this world with the celestial abode of the ancestors. 12. 8:00 pm Blessing of the Canal Mike Wurm, Lowell National Historical Park Volunteer Coordinator to give history of the canal system and invite Monks to Bless the Canal. 13. 8:30 pm Candle Floats FLOATING CANDLELIGHT CEREMONY ( Loy Krathong) While facts regarding the origins and intentions of this ceremony may vary, few would disagree that it is a joyful and ‘generosity-based’ ceremony whose meaning comes from the hearts of the participants. It is celebrated throughout South East Asia as well as many Temples in the West. The floating candles are normally designed and constructed by the person for the occasion. This 21st Century adaptation, while made from different materials, consists of the traditional candle, incense and flowers. Before releasing it upon the river, the person makes an intention, or prayer, dedicated to loved ones, living or deceased, wishing for them all the very best of good health and good fortune. We suggest that, no matter what our intention, we might also add a prayer for our fallen and wounded soldiers and a prayer for world peace. Monks are invited by MC to lead the candle floating procession on canal. Followed by audience participation. 14. 8:45 pm The Jambient Project "Encompassing elements of dance, classical, rock and jazz musical styles as well as ambient soundscapes, The Jambient Project mixes musicianship and improvisation with electronic precision, creating genre busting grooves, textures and harmonies." -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 06:37:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JAZNc05407; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:35:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:35:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Woz mail" To: Subject: RE: Loopers in Australia Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:34:21 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bernhard, I'm Australian and I loop. I would have told you this off list but you didn't leave an Email Address. Cheers Woz If you're in a car travelling at the speed of light, what happens if you turn the headlights on ? -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers in Australia Are there any Australian Loopers on this list? Please contact me off list. Thank you Bernhard --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 08:33:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JCVc414886; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C485E8.5E6041E0" Subject: RE: Musique concrete revisited... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C7@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Musique concrete revisited... Thread-Index: AcSFXIsj/PYAuBh5QneZYy90Mfk6xgAi4uYg From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2004 12:30:54.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F200F60:01C485E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C485E8.5E6041E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay...yeah I'll put something together. My concept has since gone = further as I have now been looking inside the player/recorder. Glad you = like the concept. -----Original Message----- From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... Leo, this is awesome! Thanks for the interesting and informative post. = I'm especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, = definitely a lot of potential there. It'd be a nice addition to the LD site if you'd write up the whole = process in a document. Some photos, or diagrams would be nice too. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com I recently have become interested in going back to the basics of looping = and the musique concrete technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by = this limited means to create electronic music. There is a certain charm = to using limiting means to create music. This desire to use analogue = tape as a way to create electronic music comes from the fact that = anybody with a PC or MAC can now create electronic music just by pushing = a mouse button.=20 =20 The following is a descript of a device I am creating that uses analogue = tape and old 8-track tape cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track = tape recorders (and yes they made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, = surprisingly enough). I know the question WHY? Why not!=20 =20 Okay here is the proposed idea... =20 First I did a search on the web and found several 8-track tape recorders = for sale and most under $20.00.=20 =20 Here is the plan... There is actually 2 parts to the process. =20 Open the 8-track tape recorder up to get access to the record, play and = erase head.=20 Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the the tape can be = made longer and spliced together.=20 =20 Next open an 8-Track tape cartridge. Take out the tape. Cut a strip of tape about 2 feet long. Splice the ends together. (This will be our looping tape.) Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record head. Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal part of the tape = reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new track. =20 Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, however now the = fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. Such as: 1] Add additional play heads=20 2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right record channels. 3} Add cassette record heads 4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track (program as it was = called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization trigger. = Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and engage = record. Now what will happen is the tape will record, but at certain = points switch to a new track and record there. So now you have random = material on different tracks. Also you could place metal strips at = different points along the tape path so the tape would switch as it = plays. 5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks = manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back to = switch tracks randomly 6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or may not = work. 7] Use better quality audio tape.=20 =20 You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete approach to a = different place. Leo=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C485E8.5E6041E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay...yeah I'll put something together. My = concept has=20 since gone further as I have now been looking inside the = player/recorder. Glad=20 you like the concept.
-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl=20 [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, = 2004 2:45=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Musique concrete revisited...


Leo, this is=20 awesome!  Thanks for the interesting and informative post.  = I'm=20 especially intrigued by the metal strip for changing programs, = definitely a=20 lot of potential there.

It'd be a nice addition to the LD site = if you'd=20 write up the whole process in a document.   Some photos, or = diagrams=20 would be nice too.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

I recently have = become=20 interested in going back to the basics of looping and the musique = concrete=20 technique. Mainly because I am intrigued by this limited means to = create=20 electronic music. There is a certain charm to using limiting = means to=20 create music. This desire to use analogue tape as a way to create = electronic=20 music comes from the fact that anybody with a PC or MAC can now = create=20 electronic music just by pushing a mouse button. =
 
The following = is a descript=20 of a device I am creating that uses analogue tape and old 8-track = tape=20 cartridges (yes those 70's tapes) and 8-track tape recorders (and = yes they=20 made 8-track tape cartridge recorders, surprisingly enough). I know = the=20 question WHY? Why not!
 
Okay here is = the proposed=20 idea...
 
First I did a search on the web = and found=20 several 8-track tape recorders for sale and most under $20.00.=20
 
Here is the=20 plan...
There is = actually 2 parts=20 to the=20 process.
 
Open the = 8-track tape=20 recorder up to get access to the record, play and erase head.=20
Next place new post with wheels around the heads. So the = the tape can=20 be made longer and spliced together.
 
Next open an = 8-Track tape=20 cartridge.
Take out the=20 tape.
Cut a strip of = tape about 2=20 feet long.
Splice the ends = together.=20 (This will be our looping tape.)
Put the tape on the new wheels and over the play record=20 head.
Now start the recorder and record. Every time the metal = part of the=20 tape reaches the sensor the track automatically changes to a new=20 track.
 
Okay that was the foundation of this new looping device, = however now=20 the fun begins as there are several additions that can be added. = Such=20 as:
1] Add additional play heads
2} Add switches that turn on and off the left and right = record=20 channels.
3} Add cassette record heads
4} There is a metal strip that changes the tape track = (program as it=20 was called in the seventies) This can be used as a randomization = trigger.=20 Imagine placing a metal strip at 3 other points on the tape and = engage=20 record. Now what will happen is the = tape will=20 record, but at certain points switch to a new track and record = there. So now=20 you have random material on different tracks. Also you could place = metal=20 strips at different points along the tape path so the tape would = switch as=20 it plays.
5] Add a switch to the sensor so that you can switch tracks = manually...again to add random recording. Or used during play back = to switch=20 tracks randomly
6] Add another play record head and reverse it. This may or = may not=20 work.
7] Use better quality audio tape. =
 
You see the potential... This takes the musique concrete = approach to=20 a different=20 = place.
=

Leo=20


------_=_NextPart_001_01C485E8.5E6041E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 11:47:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JFjk826160; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:44:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Video Performance lowell southeast asian water festival 8.20.04 From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3175760698_116201" Resent-Message-ID: <3-Sr3D.A.sWG.7rMJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3175760698_116201 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey Dr. T, How=B9s it going? When is this? Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com 617-470-2087=20 on 8/19/04 12:04 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) at emile@foryourhead.com wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > I'll be doing video improvisations with The > Jambient Project at the end of the Lowell > Southeast Asian Water Festival, which looks > pretty interesting overall. >=20 > Lowell Water Festival Directions: >=20 > 495 or 3 to the lowell connector > Follow connector to the end and take a left (Gorham Street) > Gorham becomes Central Street > After crossing canal, bear right onto Prescott Street > Right onto East Merrimack street > 2nd building on your right is Middlesex Community > College (big new looking brick building), the > show is in the back. There is some parking right > in front, and plenty on the street nearby. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 1. 5:30 pm Traditional Music (CD) >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2. 6:00 pm Introduction by MC and > Event Coordinator, Tooch Van, Special Guests >=20 >=20 >=20 > 3. 6:15 pm Blessing Ceremony >=20 > Religious Presentations by Ajahn David Chutiko, > English; Venerable Sao Khon, Khmer; Venerable > Thich Thien Hue, Vietnamese; and Venerable > Mangkone Dhammadharo, Laos. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Followed by Blessing of event. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 4. 6:45 pm Blessing Dance by Somaly Hay & Co. >=20 > Dance of Best Wishes: Also known as the Blessing > Dance, this piece is ritually performed at the > beginning of all events and programs to rid evil > spirits and to bring forth joy and happiness to > the audience.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 5. 6:55 pm Peace Dance >=20 > Peace Dance: Somaly Hay is a Cambodian Court > Dancer trained at the Royal Palace as a young > child. The art of Cambodian Court dance, as all > the arts of Cambodia, was nearly decimated during > the Khmer Rouge regime in the 1970=92s. Most of > the nation=92s artists were killed or forced to > flee the country. In her search for spiritual > understanding of the events of September 11, > Somaly found her sorrow transformed to a feeling > of peace, and was inspired to create this court > dance as an expression of healing. The intent is > to illustrate the power of the mind, spirit, and > soul in achieving inner peace and tranquility. > =93We pray to the highest power - asking for peace > and prosperity. Our dance is the gift of peace > to all.=94 Performed by Somaly, Rithmaly, > Sokphury, Nicole, Brenda, and Sophan. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 6. 7:10 pm Tivea Propei (Glorious Day) Dance >=20 > Glorious Day Dance: The text in the song > accompanying the dance reads as follows: A > glorious day of ours - The children all meet in > solidarity - For friendship all over the world - > Heartedly - not tiring - Living near and far > without worries - Very happy - Solidarity in hand > - Having glory and prosperity during our > celebration - The coutry is properous because we > love our nation. Performed by a special group of > adopted children from Cambodia: Emma, Sothea, > Srey Dy, James, Lea, and Solinda. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 7. 7:20 pm Laos National Flower Dance by Tamara Phongsava= d >=20 > This dance is > performed to honor this event with our treasured > flowers. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 8. 7:30 pm Bopha Lokei (Flower of the World) Dance >=20 > Robam Bopha Lokei - Flower of the World Dance: > The words in the song accompanying this dance > are translated as follows: =93Usually everybody > wants flowers - For decoration or to decorate the > body - The sweet scent of the flowers bring > prosperity - The beauty of the flowers is like > the beauty of the girls - Everybody admires the > flowers - Even the bees surrounding the flowers > want pollen - Flowers fully bloomed make you want > to pick them and turn them into flower garlands.=94 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 9. 7:40 pm Buong Suong (Wishing) Dance >=20 > The Buong Suong Dance is the climax of a ritual > traditionally performed to request the deceased > king to protect the kingdom from drought, hunger, > or other suffering, and to bring peace. > Offerings are made to the four directions prior > to the arrival of the dancers who unify this > world with the celestial abode of the ancestors. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 12. 8:00 pm Blessing of the Canal >=20 > Mike Wurm, Lowell > National Historical Park Volunteer Coordinator to > give history of the canal system and invite Monks > to Bless the Canal. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 13. 8:30 pm Candle Floats >=20 > FLOATING > CANDLELIGHT CEREMONY ( Loy Krathong) >=20 > While facts regarding the origins and intentions > of this ceremony may vary, few would disagree > that it is a joyful and =91generosity-based=92 > ceremony whose meaning comes from the hearts of > the participants. It is celebrated throughout > South East Asia as well as many Temples in the > West. The floating candles are normally designed > and constructed by the person for the occasion. > This 21st Century adaptation, while made from > different materials, consists of the traditional > candle, incense and flowers. Before releasing it > upon the river, the person makes an intention, or > prayer, dedicated to loved ones, living or > deceased, wishing for them all the very best of > good health and good fortune. We suggest that, > no matter what our intention, we might also add a > prayer for our fallen and wounded soldiers and a > prayer for world peace. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Monks are invited by MC to lead the candle > floating procession on canal. Followed by > audience participation. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 14. 8:45 pm The Jambient Project >=20 > "Encompassing elements of dance, classical, rock > and jazz musical styles as well as ambient > soundscapes, The Jambient Project mixes > musicianship and improvisation with electronic > precision, creating genre busting grooves, > textures and harmonies." --B_3175760698_116201 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Video Performance  lowell southeast asian water festival &n= bsp;8.20.04 Hey Dr. T, How’s it going?

When is this?


Dan


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on 8/19/04 12:04 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) at emile@foryourhead.com= wrote:

Hi folks,

I'll be doing video improvisations with  The
Jambient Project at the end of the Lowell
Southeast Asian Water Festival, which looks
pretty interesting overall.

Lowell Water Festival Directions:

495 or 3 to the lowell connector
Follow connector to the end and take a left (Gorham Street)
Gorham becomes Central Street
After crossing canal, bear right onto Prescott Street
Right onto East Merrimack street
2nd building on your right is Middlesex Community
College (big new looking brick building), the
show is in the back.  There is some parking right
in front, and plenty on the street nearby.




1.       5:30 pm     &nbs= p;     Traditional Music (CD)



2.       6:00 pm     &nbs= p;     Introduction by MC and
Event Coordinator, Tooch Van, Special Guests



3.       6:15 pm     &nbs= p;     Blessing Ceremony

Religious Presentations by Ajahn David Chutiko,
English; Venerable Sao Khon, Khmer; Venerable
Thich Thien Hue, Vietnamese; and Venerable
Mangkone Dhammadharo, Laos.



Followed by Blessing of event.



4.       6:45 pm     &nbs= p;     Blessing Dance by Somaly Hay & Co.

Dance of Best Wishes:  Also known as the Blessing
Dance, this piece is ritually performed at the
beginning of all events and programs to rid evil
spirits and to bring forth joy and happiness to
the audience.



5.       6:55 pm     &nbs= p;     Peace Dance

Peace Dance:  Somaly Hay is a Cambodian Court
Dancer trained at the Royal Palace as a young
child.  The art of Cambodian Court dance, as all
the arts of Cambodia, was nearly decimated during
the Khmer Rouge regime in the 1970?s.  Most of
the nation?s artists were killed or forced to
flee the country.  In her search for spiritual
understanding of the events of September 11,
Somaly found her sorrow transformed to a feeling
of peace, and was inspired to create this court
dance as an expression of healing.  The intent is
to illustrate the power of the mind, spirit, and
soul in achieving inner peace and tranquility.
?We pray to the highest power - asking for peace
and prosperity.  Our dance is the gift of peace
to all.?  Performed by Somaly, Rithmaly,
Sokphury, Nicole, Brenda, and Sophan.



6.       7:10 pm     &nbs= p;     Tivea Propei (Glorious Day) Dance

Glorious Day Dance:  The text in the song
accompanying the dance reads as follows: A
glorious day of ours - The children all meet in
solidarity - For friendship all over the world -
Heartedly - not tiring - Living near and far
without worries - Very happy - Solidarity in hand
- Having glory and prosperity during our
celebration - The coutry is properous because we
love our nation.  Performed by a special group of
adopted children from Cambodia: Emma, Sothea,
Srey Dy, James, Lea, and Solinda.



7.       7:20 pm     &nbs= p;     Laos National Flower Dance by Tamara Phongsa= vad

            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;           This = dance is
performed to honor this event with our treasured
flowers.



8.       7:30 pm     &nbs= p;     Bopha Lokei (Flower of the World) Dance

Robam Bopha Lokei - Flower of the World Dance:
 The words in the song accompanying this dance
are translated as follows: ?Usually everybody
wants flowers - For decoration or to decorate the
body - The sweet scent of the flowers bring
prosperity - The beauty of the flowers is like
the beauty of the girls - Everybody admires the
flowers - Even the bees surrounding the flowers
want pollen - Flowers fully bloomed make you want
to pick them and turn them into flower garlands.?





9.       7:40 pm     &nbs= p;     Buong Suong (Wishing) Dance

The Buong Suong Dance is the climax of a ritual
traditionally performed to request the deceased
king to protect the kingdom from drought, hunger,
or other suffering, and to bring peace.
Offerings are made to the four directions prior
to the arrival of the dancers who unify this
world with the celestial abode of the ancestors.



12.     8:00 pm       &nb= sp;   Blessing of the Canal

            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;  Mike Wurm, Lowell
National Historical Park Volunteer Coordinator to
give history of the canal system and invite Monks
to Bless the Canal.



13.     8:30 pm       &nb= sp;   Candle Floats

            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;           FLOAT= ING
CANDLELIGHT CEREMONY ( Loy Krathong)

While facts regarding the origins and intentions
of this ceremony may vary, few would disagree
that it is a joyful and ?generosity-based?
ceremony whose meaning comes from the hearts of
the participants. It is celebrated throughout
South East Asia as well as many Temples in the
West.  The floating candles are normally designed
and constructed by the person for the occasion.
This 21st Century adaptation, while made from
different materials, consists of the traditional
candle, incense and flowers. Before releasing it
upon the river, the person makes an intention, or
prayer, dedicated to loved ones, living or
deceased, wishing for them all the very best of
good health and good fortune.  We suggest that,
no matter what our intention, we might also add a
prayer for our fallen and wounded soldiers and a
prayer for world peace.



Monks are invited by MC to lead the candle
floating procession on canal. Followed by
audience participation.



14.     8:45 pm       &nb= sp;   The Jambient Project

  "Encompassing elements of dance, classical, rock
and jazz musical styles  as well as ambient
soundscapes, The Jambient Project mixes
musicianship and improvisation with electronic
precision, creating genre busting grooves,
textures and harmonies."

 --B_3175760698_116201-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 14:38:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JIakG26421; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4861B.4EC9B09B" Subject: Loop tracker and the Strip looper... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:35:31 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C8@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop tracker and the Strip looper... Thread-Index: AcSGG1IKKmEg2YEtQRaP3QElBfQ0pw== From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2004 18:35:28.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CD960D0:01C4861B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4861B.4EC9B09B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again, I thought I'd mention my progress on the 8-track looping device, which I = have now aptly named LOOP TRACKER. This was beginning to look hopeless = as I have been ripping apart the victim 8-track recorder/player. In my = haste I managed to pull a wire off its solder point (this was fore seen = as it never fails). I traced the wire to the record switch which means I = may not be able to record. However, I do have another recording 8-track = recorder on the way. The original I idea has now evolved into a more = elaborate device that will take on a life of it's own. If all goes well, = then I will have created a random tone generator via modern electronics = and electromachanical means. I theory the device will create a random = noise and record this to the first track. The tape will loop triggering = the record play head to change tracks (program in 1970's terms) and = record to track 2 (3 if referring to stereo). As the tape triggers the = mechanism to change tracks this will also act as a switch for the = corrosive modulator circuit which will cause the circuit to randomize = the circuit creating another looping pattern which is being recorded to = track 3. This process will continue until track 4 is reached. There will = now be 4 tracks of random looping happening. Now the loop tracker = switches to program one (track one) and track one gets recorded over = with a new pattern created by the corrosive modulator circuit while = tracks 2 - 4 continue looping. The process is always evolving as each = track records a new random tone. =20 However there are variations to the above such as a switch that allows = me to turn off the record head at any point or track. A switch that = allows me to turn on and off either the left or right channel or both so = that I can choose to have either channel on or off and either left or = right. This also allows me to have 8 mono tracks to loop. By turning off = the left channel only the right on will record so I could have 2 = different sounds on Program one. So now with these additions I can now = use the Loop tracker as a performance tool. =20 In my researching this device I thought of another one. I call it the = strip looper, what this device does is uses expired credit cards = magnetic strips that are passed over the record and play head of a old = recorder. So now you can have credit cards on hand and record a sound on = the strip and move the strip over the play head to do a live performance = which can be used with the LOOP TRACKER. =20 Mind you the above are all in concept phase... but theorically should = work. I am hoping to have these ready for the loopers convention this = october for a live performance. Leo=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4861B.4EC9B09B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 again,
I thought I'd = mention my=20 progress on the 8-track looping device, which I have now aptly named = LOOP=20 TRACKER. This was beginning to look hopeless as I have been ripping = apart the=20 victim 8-track recorder/player. In my haste I managed to pull a wire off = its=20 solder point (this was fore seen as it never fails). I traced the wire = to the=20 record switch which means I may not be able to record. However, I do = have=20 another recording 8-track recorder on the way. The original I idea has = now=20 evolved into a more elaborate device that will take on a life of it's = own. If=20 all goes well, then I will have created a random tone generator via = modern=20 electronics and electromachanical means. I theory the device will create = a=20 random noise and record this to the first track. The tape will loop = triggering=20 the record play head to change tracks (program in 1970's terms) and = record to=20 track 2 (3 if referring to stereo). As the tape triggers the mechanism = to change=20 tracks this will also act as a switch for the corrosive modulator = circuit which=20 will cause the circuit to randomize the circuit creating another looping = pattern=20 which is being recorded to track 3. This process will continue until = track 4 is=20 reached. There will now be 4 tracks of random looping happening. Now the = loop=20 tracker switches to program one (track one) and track one gets recorded = over=20 with a new pattern created by the corrosive modulator circuit while = tracks 2 - 4=20 continue looping. The process is always evolving as each track records a = new=20 random tone.
 
However there are = variations to=20 the above such as a switch that allows me to turn off the record head at = any=20 point or track. A switch that allows me to turn on and off either the = left or=20 right channel or both so that I can choose to have either = channel on=20 or off and either left or right. This also allows me to have 8 mono = tracks to=20 loop. By turning off the left channel only the right on will record = so I=20 could have 2 different sounds on Program one. So now with these = additions I=20 can now use the Loop tracker as a performance = tool.
 
In my researching = this device I=20 thought of another one. I call it the strip looper, what this device = does is=20 uses expired credit cards magnetic strips that are passed over the = record and=20 play head of a old recorder. So now you can have credit cards on = hand and=20 record a sound on the strip and move the strip over the play head to do = a live=20 performance which can be used with the LOOP TRACKER.
 
Mind you the above = are all in=20 concept phase... but theorically should work. I am hoping to have these = ready=20 for the loopers convention this october for a live=20 performance.

Leo

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4861B.4EC9B09B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 15:27:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JJOhN04902; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:24:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:24:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C48600.64B51ED0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:22:50 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <32mVYB.A.LIB.M4PJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C48600.64B51ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wish I lived closer. CGT is great! I was guitarist for Land of Chocolate back in 2002 and we opened for CGT and The Flower Kings at a show in Northern VA. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Hi all, Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them with my Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly). CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops) Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204 $17.00 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26 The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907 ($15.00) CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr Bowie guitarist) San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano *** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com, 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas *** All Ages. CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Oceanside, CA - Sun Aug 29, 7pm MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815 Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987 while studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp. They toured with Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and the Robert Fripp String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991. Their shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying array of covers, from Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, visit www.cgtrio.com Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player ever. Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink Floyd, Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James Taylor (to name a few). www.tonylevin.com If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging out at the merch table after my sets. Thanks for reading! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C48600.64B51ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wi= sh I lived closer.  CGT is = great!  I was guitarist for Land of = Chocolate back in 2002 and we opened for CGT and The Flower Kings at a show in Northern = VA.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
Sent: Saturday, August = 14, 2004 2:42 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: California = Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam)

 

Hi = all,

Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California = Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them with my = Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly).

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops)
Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm
The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204
$17.00

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber
Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26
The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907
($15.00)

CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr = Bowie guitarist)
San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm
The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano
*** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com, = 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas ***
All Ages. 

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber
Oceanside, CA  - Sun Aug 29, 7pm
MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr
All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815

Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards = of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987 while = studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp.  They toured with = Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and the Robert Fripp = String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991.  Their shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying array of covers, from = Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, = visit www.cgtrio.com

Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best = known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player = ever.  Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has = also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink Floyd, = Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula = Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James = Taylor (to name a few).  www.tonylevin.com

If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging = out at the merch table after my sets.

Thanks for reading!
Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C48600.64B51ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 16:10:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JK6ef15237; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:04:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C48606.3DA66FA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:04:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <0GmV9B.A.hlD.cfQJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C48606.3DA66FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tom, I just listened to clips from your site. Excellent work. I envy Stick players. ;) During my stint in LoC, we had two stick player: Sam Richardson and John Jens. Sam was LoC’s (amazing) drummer, but he is also a talented/experienced Stick player and gigged solo quite a bit before LoC. John the bassist was newer to the Stick, but he played it live on a couple songs. It’s such a cool instrument. So you’re using the Repeater. Do you normally use the EDP and Repeater together live? And which one is normally your main squeeze? Too bad your upcoming shows aren’t in the Balto area; I’d really dig seeing you in concert. 77 Times is amazing; I’d love to see that one live. Lance -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Wish I lived closer. CGT is great! I was guitarist for Land of Chocolate back in 2002 and we opened for CGT and The Flower Kings at a show in Northern VA. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Hi all, Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them with my Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly). CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops) Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204 $17.00 CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26 The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907 ($15.00) CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr Bowie guitarist) San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano *** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com, 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas *** All Ages. CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber Oceanside, CA - Sun Aug 29, 7pm MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815 Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987 while studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp. They toured with Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and the Robert Fripp String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991. Their shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying array of covers, from Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, visit www.cgtrio.com Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player ever. Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink Floyd, Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James Taylor (to name a few). www.tonylevin.com If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging out at the merch table after my sets. Thanks for reading! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C48606.3DA66FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tom,

 

I just listened to clips from your site.  Excellent work.  I envy Stick players. ;)  During my stint in LoC, we had two stick player: Sam Richardson = and John Jens.  Sam was LoC’s = (amazing) drummer, but he is also a talented/experienced Stick player and gigged solo quite = a bit before LoC.  John the = bassist was newer to the Stick, but he played it live on a couple songs.  It’s such a cool = instrument.

 

So you’re using the Repeater.  Do you normally use the EDP and Repeater together live?  And which one is normally your = main squeeze?

 

Too bad your upcoming shows aren’t in the Balto area; = I’d really dig seeing you in concert.  77 Times = is amazing; I’d love to see that one = live.

 

Lance

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, August = 19, 2004 3:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: California = Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam)

 

Wish I lived closer.  CGT is great!  = I was guitarist for Land of Chocolate back in 2002 and we opened for CGT = and The Flower Kings at a show in Northern = VA.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
Sent: Saturday, August = 14, 2004 2:42 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: California = Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam)<= /p>

 <= /p>

Hi = all,

Happy to pass along that I'll be doing 4 shows with the California = Guitar Trio and Tony Levin in S CA. I'll be doing opening sets at them with my = Repeater in tow (EDP still in need of service sadly).

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber (solo Chapman Stick and loops)
Hollywood, CA - Wed Aug 25, 7:30pm
The Knitting Factory - 7021 Hollywood Blvd - 323-463-0204
$17.00

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber
Goleta (Santa Barbara), CA - Th Aug 26
The Mercury Lounge - 5871 Hollister Ave - 805-967-0907
($15.00)

CGT and Tony Levin with guests Tom Griesgraber and Reeves Gabrels (frmr = Bowie guitarist)
San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Aug 28, 8pm
The Coach House - 33157 Camino Capistrano
*** Discount Tickets through ThosSounds at www.thossounds.com, = 760-942-1031 and at Lou's Records in Encinitas ***
All Ages. 

CGT and Tony Levin with guest Tom Griesgraber
Oceanside, CA  - Sun Aug 29, 7pm
MiraCosta College Theatre - One Barnard Dr
All Ages. For Tickets - 760-795-6815

Just in case you've never heard of CGT or Tony Levin.... Paul Richards = of Utah, Bert Lams of Belgium and Hideyo Moriya of Japan met in 1987 while = studying guitar with King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp.  They toured with = Robert as members of the League of Crafty Guitarists and the Robert Fripp = String Quintet and formed the CGT in 1991.  Their shows feature incredible original compositions as well as a dizzying array of covers, from = Beethoven and Bach to Queen, Surf Guitar and Spaghetti Westerns. For more on the Trio, = visit www.cgtrio.com

Tony Levin who will be playing with the Trio is easily the world's best = known Chapman Stick player and probably its most recorded bass player = ever.  Best known for his work with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson, Tony has = also recorded and/or toured with John Lennon, Paul Simon, Ringo, Pink Floyd, = Yes, Sarah Mclachlan, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Cher, Natalie Cole, Paula = Cole, Al Dimeola, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Liza Minelli, Buddy Rich, and James = Taylor (to name a few).  www.tonylevin.com

If any of you make it out, do stop by and say hi. I'll likely be hanging = out at the merch table after my sets.

Thanks for reading!
Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com

------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C48606.3DA66FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 18:46:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7JMhtD11621; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-829872042 Message-Id: <3920BB70-F22D-11D8-8021-000D9353F6AC@thossounds.com> From: Tom Griesgraber Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:15:05 -0700 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-5-829872042 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hey Lance (and all), On Aug 19, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Lance Zechinato wrote: > > So you=92re using the Repeater.=A0 Do you normally use the EDP and=20 > Repeater together live?=A0 And which one is normally your main = squeeze? I bought the Repeater first (the day they first hit San Diego) and used=20= it exclusively for awhile. So.. I have a lot of songs/ideas that were=20= sort of built around how it operates.. definitely making use of the=20 presence of multiple tracks. My EDP was bought used (bad idea?) and as of today is on it's way to a=20= second repair visit (This time around going to Briish Audio Service as=20= per Gibson's recommendation). For what little time I've had it up and=20= running I've been loving it. For some things it just makes life a=20 whole lot simpler. The tricky part comes in keeping the commands for=20 the two units separate in my brain. On the Repeater you always hit=20 record to do overdubs.. not a good thing to mix those up. Too bad your upcoming shows aren=92t in the Balto area; I=92d really dig=20= seeing you in concert.=A0 77 Times is amazing; I=92d love to see that = one=20 live. Thanks! Glad you like it.. a lot of people do. In fact I've now got 3=20= recorded versions of it, the one on the solo CD, one on a live Agent 22=20= CD (with drums and a tapping gtr player) and there's a 3rd version yet=20= to be released on a band album with myself, Jerry Marotta and Tony=20 Levin making a bass cameo. Definitely bordering on overkill.. but..=20 also definitely fun for me to see how other people respond to it in the=20= studio. There's an end section in 13 for example.. Darren the drummer=20= on the solo CD plays it as sort of 7 and 6. Jerry heard it as being a=20= slow 4 and fast 5. Me.. I just like hearing what they do with it. :) Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com 760-942-1031 --Apple-Mail-5-829872042 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hey Lance (and all), On Aug 19, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Lance Zechinato wrote: = Arial9999,3333,6666So you=92re using the Repeater.=A0 Do you normally use the EDP and Repeater together live?=A0 And which one is normally your main squeeze? I bought the Repeater first (the day they first hit San Diego) and used it exclusively for awhile. So.. I have a lot of songs/ideas that were sort of built around how it operates.. definitely making use of the presence of multiple tracks. =20 My EDP was bought used (bad idea?) and as of today is on it's way to a second repair visit (This time around going to Briish Audio Service as per Gibson's recommendation). For what little time I've had it up and running I've been loving it. For some things it just makes life a whole lot simpler. The tricky part comes in keeping the commands for the two units separate in my brain. On the Repeater you always hit record to do overdubs.. not a good thing to mix those up. =20 = Arial9999,3333,6666Too bad your upcoming shows aren=92t in the Balto area; I=92d really dig seeing you in concert.=A0 77 Times is amazing; I=92d love to see that = one live. Thanks! Glad you like it.. a lot of people do. In fact I've now got 3 recorded versions of it, the one on the solo CD, one on a live Agent 22 CD (with drums and a tapping gtr player) and there's a 3rd version yet to be released on a band album with myself, Jerry Marotta and Tony Levin making a bass cameo.=20 Definitely bordering on overkill.. but.. also definitely fun for me to see how other people respond to it in the studio. There's an end section in 13 for example.. Darren the drummer on the solo CD plays it as sort of 7 and 6. Jerry heard it as being a slow 4 and fast 5.=20 Me.. I just like hearing what they do with it. :) Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com 760-942-1031 --Apple-Mail-5-829872042-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 19 23:29:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7K3R1401963; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040819233858.0144e440@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:38:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Video Performance lowell southeast asian water festival 8.20.04 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where is this? There are towns called Lowell in at least a dozen American states. I presume 8.20.04 in the long subject line means August 20, 2004. Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 00:47:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7K4eI323264; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:40:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c48670$10c93f20$f348dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: Subject: Hello, Echoplex, Endings, Bass Solo, Tags? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:42:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HELLO: After a long absence (during which I had total hip replacement surgery and played Stick a lot), I rejoined. I posted on here a while back about the pedalboard I built for jazz looping with the guitar: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Lately I've been practicing with this again and figuring new things out. Even did a couple of gigs with it. ECHOPLEX: And this week I broke down and ordered a Gibson Echoplex, which I hope to incorporate into this setup. I finally got tired of not having any easy way to record more than one loop for a tune, and Musician's Friend had a blem special I couldn't pass up. Once the Echoplex arrives I will probably have more questions about it. But one thing I can ask now is: has anyone built a homemade pedalboard rig for the Echoplex like this.. http://www.pedalboards.com/images/3BRDSWCOVER.jpg ...? If so, what did you use to mount the rack unit? JAZZ ENDINGS: I did finally figure out a way to end a song with the existing rig with the two RC-20's. It requires some foot acrobatics but sounds pretty good: 1. I took the knob and rubber knob cover off my MXR Phase 90 and put it on the Phrase Select knob of the left-hand RC-20, the one that stores the Peter Erskine drum loops. Now I can select the drum beat with my left foot while playing. 2. In the one-shot slot (#11) I recorded a sample from the Erskine disk of Peter hitting just a bass drum and crash cymbal. 3. After I have recorded the accompaniment loop (bass+drums or chords+bass+drums) into the right-hand RC-20 and shut off the left hand RC-20 (this is done by simultaneously hitting the Stop pedal on the left RC-20 and the Record/Play pedal on the right-hand RC-20...this is why they're so close together on the board), I move the Phrase Select knob on the left-hand RC-20 to position #11 with my foot while playing the head or a solo on the guitar. Now this one will play the crash when I hit its Play pedal. 4. At the spot where I want to end the tune I shut off the right RC-20 and play either a "Take The A Train" break, a "Count Basie" break, or some other common ending break with no bass or drums behind it. 5. Finally I hit the last chord while hitting the Play pedal on the left RC-20 to produce the crash. Kind of convoluted, but hey, it works. BASS SOLO: Another recently discovered trick...simulating a bass solo in the middle of a tune. Hit the Play pedal on the left RC-20 and the stop pedal on the right RC-20 at the same time (this requires two feet). Move the switch on the guitar to the "Bass-Only" position (so all six strings are going through the octave divider). Play a bass solo over just drums. At the end of a chorus, hit the two middle pedals again to stop the pure drums and re-start the main accompaniment loop. I hope to still use some variation of these tricks with the Echoplex as well. I'm thinking about using the right-hand RC-20 for storing more pre-recorded drums loops once I have the Echoplex. Maybe store hi-hat loops at the same tempo as the ones in the left RC-20, so they can be set to the same slot and ping-ponged back and forth to produce the illusion of a drummer changing from swinging to two-beat. I'm pretty excited about the Echoplex. I've borrowed one from my friend Tim McKeage several times and already know how cool they are. TAGS?: Maybe there is a way to tag an ending with it. Does anyone know how to do that...to tell it "now repeat the last 1/8 of that loop several times"? Thanks! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 00:54:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7K4q2H26549; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040820045136.80320.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Book on Loop Based Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if this was posted earlier. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/Software-for-Loop-Music.html Backbeat Books Publishes New Title on Loop-Based Music Production Power Tools: Software for Loop MusicAugust 19, 2004 Backbeat Books' newest addition to the Power Tools series, Power Tools: Software for Loop Music, explores the creative and technical aspects of loop-based composition, helping musicians to master this form. An opening chapter of this essential guide serves as a sampling primer, explaining elements of sound quality, common sampling pitfalls, editing techniques, and loop arrangement tools. Once readers are up to speed, they will gain vital information on the most popular software tools and techniques such as audio engineering, sampling, sound design, mixing, and live performance. Every chapter offers tips and tricks that professionals use to make the most of their loop libraries, and there's an indispensable section on the legal aspects of sampling that explains the process of licensing existing recordings step-by-step. Readers can apply these lessons immediately with the included CD-ROM, which contains demo and lite software versions of many of the tools discussed (in both Mac OS and Windows versions). As a bonus, the CD-ROM also offers over 250 megabytes of license- and royalty-free loops and samples in a variety of musical styles sure to get music manipulators' creative juices flowing and their music looping. The author, remixer and composer Francis Preve, is an expert in synthesis, engineering, and production. A contributing editor for Keyboard magazine since 2000, he has also written for EQ, Electronic Musician, and Music and Computers. Price: $24.95, ISBN: 0-87930-800-1. For more information, visit their web site at www.backbeatbooks.com. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 04:08:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7K85Qb06412; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: EDP Footswitches faulty: European providers? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:07:06 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have started having problems with the EFC-7 footswitches, the record button sometimes acting as a parameter button, or the insert button being a multiply... I found information where to order them here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#replace But are there any known european providers, too? Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 04:47:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7K8inH13884; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:44:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c48691$84119060$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: OT Warning - Selling CD's on the web - recomendations? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:41:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C486A2.478048B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C486A2.478048B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for OT, but I know you guys have the best experience in well = almost everything!! So Im selling CDR home burnt CD's off by website... not too many orders, = so no hassle... I've been hoping to earn enough to have the covers = professionally printed, instead of high quality laserprint.. and = everything is fine.. However... what experiences have people had at places like = Cafepress.com? Advantages? Well proper printed cover, proper CD = copy/with CD print (not horrible sticker) Dis-advantages? (Well some = things seem to have improved, as there WAS som controversy as to whether = they owned any rights to your s**t but this appears to been cleared = up)and of course PROFIT is not so great... they charge a base of 8.99, = that means that you can only really make a few bucks on top..=20 Now of course sensible thing would be to press 300 albums (minimum here = in Norway) and 1000 covers yourself... however, dont know about you, but = I got 3 albums selling on my site, at maybe 1 or 2 a month ha ha... but = I dont care! I just aint got the cash!!! ANy Ideas thoughts opinions??? Mark www.markfrancombe.com ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C486A2.478048B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for OT, but I know you guys have = the best=20 experience in well almost everything!!
 
So Im selling CDR home burnt CD's off = by website...=20 not too many orders, so no hassle... I've been hoping to earn enough to = have the=20 covers professionally printed, instead of high quality laserprint.. and=20 everything is fine..
 
However... what experiences have people = had at=20 places like Cafepress.com? Advantages? Well proper printed cover, proper = CD=20 copy/with CD print (not horrible sticker) Dis-advantages? (Well some = things seem=20 to have improved, as there WAS som controversy as to whether they owned = any=20 rights to your s**t but this appears to been cleared up)and of course = PROFIT is=20 not so great... they charge a base of 8.99, that means that you can only = really=20 make a few bucks on top..
 
Now of course sensible thing would be = to press 300=20 albums (minimum here in Norway) and 1000 covers yourself... however, = dont know=20 about you, but I got 3 albums selling on my site, at maybe 1 or 2 a = month ha=20 ha... but I dont care! I just aint got the cash!!!
 
ANy Ideas thoughts = opinions???
 
Mark
 
 
www.markfrancombe.com ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C486A2.478048B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 06:06:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7K9w6G31364; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Footswitches faulty: European providers? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:56:53 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c4869c$096cec50$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Send me your address and I'll post a set, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: 20 August 2004 09:07 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Footswitches faulty: European providers? I have started having problems with the EFC-7 footswitches, the record button sometimes acting as a parameter button, or the insert button being a multiply... I found information where to order them here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#replace But are there any known european providers, too? Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 07:33:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KBTf024287; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:29:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4125DF99.1040700@mem.li> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:25:13 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footswitches faulty: European providers? References: <001f01c4869c$096cec50$01fea8c0@andy> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050405060403040900000908" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------050405060403040900000908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i buy them at musik raas berne-switzerland www.raas.ch Andy Ewen wrote: >Send me your address and I'll post a set, >Andy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] >Sent: 20 August 2004 09:07 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EDP Footswitches faulty: European providers? > > >I have started having problems with the EFC-7 footswitches, the record >button sometimes acting as a parameter button, or the insert button >being a >multiply... >I found information where to order them here: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#replace > >But are there any known european providers, too? > >Thank you >Bernhard > > > > > > -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------050405060403040900000908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i buy them at musik raas berne-switzerland

www.raas.ch

Andy Ewen wrote:
Send me your address and I'll post a set,
Andy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] 
Sent: 20 August 2004 09:07
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP Footswitches faulty: European providers?


I have started having problems with the EFC-7 footswitches, the record
button sometimes acting as a parameter button, or the insert button
being a
multiply...
I found information where to order them here:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#replace

But are there any known european providers, too?

Thank you
Bernhard

--
Unbenanntes Dokument

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44


--------------050405060403040900000908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 10:13:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KEAVm03234; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:10:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:10:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <002901c48691$84119060$6f00a8c0@tl.no> References: <002901c48691$84119060$6f00a8c0@tl.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <90F8F16C-F2B2-11D8-B6D2-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT Warning - Selling CD's on the web - recomendations? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:09:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-spam-white: found in SE.rbl.cluecentral.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7KEA8h03166 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, See the list archives. This thread was up not too long ago with lots of resourceful posts. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On Aug 20, 2004, at 10:41 AM, markred wrote: > Sorry for OT, but I know you guys have the best experience in well > almost everything!! >   > So Im selling CDR home burnt CD's off by website... not too many > orders, so no hassle... I've been hoping to earn enough to have the > covers professionally printed, instead of high quality laserprint.. > and everything is fine.. >   > However... what experiences have people had at places like > Cafepress.com? Advantages? Well proper printed cover, proper CD > copy/with CD print (not horrible sticker) Dis-advantages? (Well some > things seem to have improved, as there WAS som controversy as to > whether they owned any rights to your s**t but this appears to been > cleared up)and of course PROFIT is not so great... they charge a base > of 8.99, that means that you can only really make a few bucks on top.. >   > Now of course sensible thing would be to press 300 albums (minimum > here in Norway) and 1000 covers yourself... however, dont know about > you, but I got 3 albums selling on my site, at maybe 1 or 2 a month ha > ha... but I dont care! I just aint got the cash!!! >   > ANy Ideas thoughts opinions??? >   > Mark >   >   > www.markfrancombe.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 10:59:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KEsci10816; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:54:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040820145358.21999.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7_YJp.A.VnC.LChJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Zechinato wrote: > Too bad your upcoming shows aren’t in the Balto > area; I’d really dig seeing > you in concert. 77 Times is amazing; I’d love to > see that one live. > > Lance Lance, were you at the September,2003 show (CGT, Tom opening for them) in Frederick, MD? Paolo _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 11:38:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KFYG218833; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:34:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:34:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,99,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="212965259:sNHT16455992" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2945BC08-F2BE-11D8-87EC-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Heads up, tinkerers... Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:32:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fascinating story and service for anybody who needs parts that don't exist: The story: http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/08/ap_081904.asp?trk=nl The site: http://emachineshop.com Wish it worked on a Mac ;-( dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 11:47:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KFirV20604; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408201544.i7KFiQh20437@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: Heads up, tinkerers... Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <2945BC08-F2BE-11D8-87EC-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSGy17KS8yuR5VATBGNJ6tovwqjcwAAQUZQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow that's handy I have from time to time had some ideas that required specialized fabrication equiptment, -----Original Message----- From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heads up, tinkerers... Fascinating story and service for anybody who needs parts that don't exist: The story: http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/08/ap_081904.asp?trk=nl The site: http://emachineshop.com Wish it worked on a Mac ;-( dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 11:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KFqBJ21773; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:52:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:52:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41261D2F.4050102@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:47:59 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Warning - Selling CD's on the web - recomendations? References: <002901c48691$84119060$6f00a8c0@tl.no> In-Reply-To: <002901c48691$84119060$6f00a8c0@tl.no> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030001050401080307000605" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030001050401080307000605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll just add one thing to this, which I don't believe I remember being covered, regarding the on-CD print as a reason to go to Cafepress. Epson has a line of inkjet printers that allow you to print on the CD surface. You have to buy printable cds, which are a little bit more, about 50 cents each if you buy in quantity (100 or so). I bought the Epson Stylus R200, the cheapest of the line (all the printers have the same quality print, just a difference in features like an lcd preview screen), which was $99, and it works GREAT. I was going to have 100 cdrs printed by a company for $225, which seemed like a good deal, but instead I bought this printer and 100 cds for $150, and I have the capability to print many more. Highly recommended, especially instead of the on-cd stickers. let me know off-list if anyone wants more in-depth details regarding print speed, media, etc. I'm really tickled about it. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > So Im selling CDR home burnt CD's off by website... not too many > orders, so no hassle... I've been hoping to earn enough to have the > covers professionally printed, instead of high quality laserprint.. > and everything is fine.. > > However... what experiences have people had at places like > Cafepress.com? Advantages? Well proper printed cover, proper CD > copy/with CD print (not horrible sticker) --------------030001050401080307000605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'll just add one thing to this, which I don't believe I remember being covered, regarding the on-CD print as a reason to go to Cafepress.  Epson has a line of inkjet printers that allow you to print on the CD surface.  You have to buy printable cds, which are a little bit more, about 50 cents each if you buy in quantity (100 or so).  I bought the Epson Stylus R200, the cheapest of the line (all the printers have the same quality print, just a difference in features like an lcd preview screen), which was $99, and it works GREAT.  I was going to have 100 cdrs printed by a company for $225, which seemed like a good deal, but instead I bought this printer and 100 cds for $150, and I have the capability to print many more.  Highly recommended, especially instead of the on-cd stickers.

let me know off-list if anyone wants more in-depth details regarding print speed, media, etc.  I'm really tickled about it.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


So Im selling CDR home burnt CD's off by website... not too many orders, so no hassle... I've been hoping to earn enough to have the covers professionally printed, instead of high quality laserprint.. and everything is fine..
 
However... what experiences have people had at places like Cafepress.com? Advantages? Well proper printed cover, proper CD copy/with CD print (not horrible sticker)

--------------030001050401080307000605-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 12:09:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KG6DO25242; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4126A07B.CA514D@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:08:11 -0700 From: cul-baisser@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DOD Dimension 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: GcLZ+kZQoebR4vqK6FRKPDdFf3xFxt1hQG7JHqgizwBRHmKAbPL5rW Resent-Message-ID: <7Jog0D.A.6FG.fEiJBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am new to the list. I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12.This thing is odd and really not a real looper device. Nevertheless I love this thing,because it is so basic and a little bit weird. The negative comments about this device tells stories enough at this Website... I enjoy working with it,because of some gimmicks it has.Especially the destructable Pitchchanging has a kind of marvelous live electronic. Anyway,I use the EDP Pro and also Software-Loopers. But the usage of the DOD is kind of irrational using. Anyone on the list,who wants to sell this device ? Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 12:13:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KG9gi26254; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040820090824.01d7b580@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:08:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Heads up, tinkerers... In-Reply-To: <2945BC08-F2BE-11D8-87EC-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice! Check out their companion site: http://www.pad2pad.com/ At 08:32 AM 2004.08.20, David Coffin wrote: >Fascinating story and service for anybody who needs parts that don't exist: > >The story: >http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/08/ap_081904.asp?trk=nl > >The site: >http://emachineshop.com > > >Wish it worked on a Mac ;-( >dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 12:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KGBgc26627; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412621B8.5080307@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:07:20 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop tracker / re-thinking technology References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C8@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> In-Reply-To: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370C8@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060207020100060701000209" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060207020100060701000209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm dyin' to hear what this sounds like, Leo! I love the idea of credit card strips too. Part of what I love about ideas like this, or the Magnatron, is how new ideas can be generated which then can lead to development of other products based on it. For example, I've seen people controlling a laptop instrument with a pad and lightpen. Would it be possible to recreate and extend the Magnatron with this technology - what I'm thinking would be to assign a sample to the pad in a definite physical space, so that dragging the pen at various spots would play that particular part of the sample. Moving the pen forward would play it forward, backwards backward, and the faster the drag, the higher the pitch. The limitation of the Magnatron of course is that it's stuck with the sample on it, at least practically. With a laptop, one could change samples on the fly, or even assign 10 samples to the pad, or even 100, in 1 inch "sample blocks". I've been messing with a stock Dictaphone transcriber for awhile, and there's something unique about it that could be interesting for digital loopers. I can record, say, 20 seconds of material, then switch into playback/transcribe mode. Pressing the footswitch rewinds the tape a few seconds, which is controllable between a fraction of a second and four or five seconds with a slider. The really interesting thing is that, with the slider set to maximum rewind, it's possible to control how far back the rewind happens by how quickly the footswitch is pressed. So, imagine a sample of someone saying "tracheotomy". As I understand it, the EDP could do stutters with this loop like "tra-tra-tra", or "tracheo-tracheo-tracheo". By varying the speed of the footswitch click on the Dictaphone, I can replay small pieces while still rewinding, doing things like "tomy-eotomy-my-acheotromy-otomy-my-tracheotomy". I can actually play back through the entire length of the tape, playing varying bits and pieces while moving back. The fun part is it being foot-controlled, which makes it much more expressive. I suppose to recreate this on the EDP or other box, a time value would have to be assigned to the replay function, so that a slow click would stop the sample, rewind to the beginning and replay, while a fast click would stop the sample and only go back part of the way. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Mind you the above are all in concept phase... but theorically should > work. I am hoping to have these ready for the loopers convention this > october for a live performance. > > Leo > --------------060207020100060701000209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm dyin' to hear what this sounds like, Leo!  I love the idea of credit card strips too.

Part of what I love about ideas like this, or the Magnatron, is how new ideas can be generated which then can lead to development of other products based on it.  For example, I've seen people controlling a laptop instrument with a pad and lightpen.  Would it be possible to recreate and extend the Magnatron with this technology - what I'm thinking would be to assign a sample to the pad in a definite physical space, so that dragging the pen at various spots would play that particular part of the sample.  Moving the pen forward would play it forward, backwards backward, and the faster the drag, the higher the pitch.  The limitation of the Magnatron of course is that it's stuck with the sample on it, at least practically.  With a laptop, one could change samples on the fly, or even assign 10 samples to the pad, or even 100, in 1 inch "sample blocks".

I've been messing with a stock Dictaphone transcriber for awhile, and there's something unique about it that could be interesting for digital loopers.   I can record, say, 20 seconds of material, then switch into playback/transcribe mode.  Pressing the footswitch rewinds the tape a few seconds, which is controllable between a fraction of a second and four or five seconds with a slider.  The really interesting thing is that, with the slider set to maximum rewind, it's possible to control how far back the rewind happens by how quickly the footswitch is pressed.  So, imagine a sample of someone saying "tracheotomy".  As I understand it, the EDP could do stutters with this loop like "tra-tra-tra", or "tracheo-tracheo-tracheo".  By varying the speed of the footswitch click on the Dictaphone, I can replay small pieces while still rewinding, doing things like "tomy-eotomy-my-acheotromy-otomy-my-tracheotomy".  I can actually play back through the entire length of the tape, playing varying bits and pieces while moving back. The fun part is it being foot-controlled, which makes it much more expressive.   I suppose to recreate this on the EDP or other box, a time value would have to be assigned to the replay function, so that a slow click would stop the sample, rewind to the beginning and replay, while a fast click would stop the sample and only go back part of the way.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

Mind you the above are all in concept phase... but theorically should work. I am hoping to have these ready for the loopers convention this october for a live performance.

Leo

--------------060207020100060701000209-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 12:40:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KGasm00685; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1093019790!18646686 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C0C@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DOD Dimension 12 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C486D2.FBFDB9A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C486D2.FBFDB9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12. This thing is odd and really not a real looper device..... Anyone on the list,who wants to sell this device ?<< I have posted positively on the subject of the dimension-12. I have had a lot of fun with it, & used it on stage with damo suzuki last march, with a fretless jazz bass & an orange amplifier. I got it off e-bay for about $100. there isn't a perfect looping tool because we all want them to do different things. I also use jam-man, dl4, repeater, powertran mcs-1 (2 of each).... the dod does it's own thing, quite badly, but that's partly why it's such fun. can't sell it, sorry! duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C486D2.FBFDB9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DOD Dimension 12

>>I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12. T= his thing is odd and really not a real looper device..... Anyone on the lis= t,who wants to sell this device ?<<

I have posted positively on the subject of the dimension-= 12. I have had a lot of fun with it, & used it on stage with damo suzuk= i last march, with a fretless jazz bass & an orange amplifier. <= /P>

I got it off e-bay for about $100.
there isn't a perfect looping tool because we all want t= hem to do different things. I also use jam-man, dl4, repeater, powertran mc= s-1 (2 of each).... the dod does it's own thing, quite badly, but that's pa= rtly why it's such fun.

can't sell it, sorry!

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C486D2.FBFDB9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 12:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KGhSX02120; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:43:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040819233858.0144e440@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040819233858.0144e440@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:25:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: (Nick)Video Performance lowell southeast asian water festival 8.20.04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:38 PM -0400 8/19/04, nick douglas wrote: >Where is this? >There are towns called Lowell in at least a dozen American states. >I presume 8.20.04 in the long subject line means August 20, 2004. >Nick Good point, Nick -- Lowell Massachusetts -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:01:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KGw3C05013; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Heads up, tinkerers... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370CB@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Heads up, tinkerers... Thread-Index: AcSGy17KS8yuR5VATBGNJ6tovwqjcwAAQUZQAAKFMGA= From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2004 16:56:34.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[A63B6450:01C486D6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7KGuih04850 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I like this...I can never seem to quite piece together my imagined creation. Thanks for posting this!!! Leo -----Original Message----- From: AK [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Heads up, tinkerers... Wow that's handy I have from time to time had some ideas that required specialized fabrication equiptment, -----Original Message----- From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heads up, tinkerers... Fascinating story and service for anybody who needs parts that don't exist: The story: http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/08/ap_081904.asp?trk=nl The site: http://emachineshop.com Wish it worked on a Mac ;-( dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:11:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KH7q508150; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:07:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4126AF1B.3F54503E@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:10:36 -0700 From: cul-baisser@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C0C@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5F3E76FC6BE16549E8167247" X-ID: ZYKeMkZSZeQIs8RWDSzTV3AJZbPfh5Ym8+Scv-g2+F4QsvQWklDdZc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------5F3E76FC6BE16549E8167247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have alread two of them,but that´s not enough.I need four of them at minimum and use them later as a kind of analog "DX Synthesis" via guitar. The DOD isn´t that bad as it was spelled. Thanks a lot for your comment, Marty goddard.duncan@mtvne.com schrieb: > > > >>I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12. This thing is odd > and really not a real looper device..... Anyone on the list,who wants > to sell this device ?<< > > I have posted positively on the subject of the dimension-12. I have > had a lot of fun with it, & used it on stage with damo suzuki last > march, with a fretless jazz bass & an orange amplifier. > > I got it off e-bay for about $100. > there isn't a perfect looping tool because we all want them to do > different things. I also use jam-man, dl4, repeater, powertran mcs-1 > (2 of each).... the dod does it's own thing, quite badly, but that's > partly why it's such fun. > > can't sell it, sorry! > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > * > ************************************************************************* > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. 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guitar.
The DOD isn´t that bad as it was spelled.

Thanks a lot for your comment,

Marty

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com schrieb:

 

>>I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12. This thing is odd and really not a real looper device..... Anyone on the list,who wants to sell this device ?<<

I have posted positively on the subject of the dimension-12. I have had a lot of fun with it, & used it on stage with damo suzuki last march, with a fretless jazz bass & an orange amplifier.

I got it off e-bay for about $100.
there isn't a perfect looping tool because we all want them to do different things. I also use jam-man, dl4, repeater, powertran mcs-1 (2 of each).... the dod does it's own thing, quite badly, but that's partly why it's such fun.

can't sell it, sorry!

duncan/r.m.i.
 

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--------------5F3E76FC6BE16549E8167247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:14:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHCFE09363; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: DOD Dimension 12 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370CC@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DOD Dimension 12 Thread-Index: AcSGz4CZ0SSdRMcST8eSdGgXf8NC+gAB2bbw From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2004 17:10:22.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[93FB62C0:01C486D8] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7KHAQh08803 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have this device, but find what you've mentioned about it interesting. As far as it not being a looping device...I question this, if you do a pattern more than once using the device, such as chord progressions, then the device fits the criteria. From what I understand of this site, what defines looping here is somewhat blurred. However I do believe a loop of some kind needs to be a part of your setup considering the name. Oh well just throwing out some creative banter. Leo -----Original Message----- From: Martin Tauchen [mailto:cul-baisser@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DOD Dimension 12 Hi, I am new to the list. I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12.This thing is odd and really not a real looper device. Nevertheless I love this thing,because it is so basic and a little bit weird. The negative comments about this device tells stories enough at this Website... I enjoy working with it,because of some gimmicks it has.Especially the destructable Pitchchanging has a kind of marvelous live electronic. Anyway,I use the EDP Pro and also Software-Loopers. But the usage of the DOD is kind of irrational using. Anyone on the list,who wants to sell this device ? Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:19:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHAE908762; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:09:40 -0600 Message-Id: <200408201709.i7KH9eI11555@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: DOD Dimension 12 X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.28.199 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know if its still there, but http://www.musicgoround.com has one listed for $80.00 > >>I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12. This thing is odd and really not a real looper device..... Anyone on the list,who wants to sell this device ?<< Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:19:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHHTV11218; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:17:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C486D9.7267D42E" Subject: RE: DOD Dimension 12 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:16:35 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370CD@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DOD Dimension 12 Thread-Index: AcSG2DnSF0RTh/2WQGe7kgHfpcc3vwAAIhgw From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2004 17:16:36.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[72BE8410:01C486D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C486D9.7267D42E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The DX concept sounds really interesting...I am always trying new = approaches with guitar...and of course, many things with various = electronic techniques. I have even thought about using a violin as a bow = on my electric guitar like in SPINAL TAP. However, haven't quite got = that crazy hahaha...although I use volume 11 quite often hahahaha =20 PEACE, Leo -----Original Message----- From: Martin Tauchen [mailto:cul-baisser@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 I have alread two of them,but that=B4s not enough.I need four of them at = minimum and use them later as a kind of analog "DX Synthesis" via=20 guitar.=20 The DOD isn=B4t that bad as it was spelled.=20 Thanks a lot for your comment,=20 Marty=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com schrieb:=20 =20 >>I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12. This thing is odd and = really not a real looper device..... Anyone on the list,who wants to = sell this device ?<<=20 I have posted positively on the subject of the dimension-12. I have had = a lot of fun with it, & used it on stage with damo suzuki last march, = with a fretless jazz bass & an orange amplifier.=20 I got it off e-bay for about $100.=20 there isn't a perfect looping tool because we all want them to do = different things. I also use jam-man, dl4, repeater, powertran mcs-1 (2 = of each).... the dod does it's own thing, quite badly, but that's partly = why it's such fun.=20 can't sell it, sorry!=20 duncan/r.m.i.=20 =20 *************************************************************************= **=20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE=20 The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user=20 of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also=20 be privileged. 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The DX=20 concept sounds really interesting...I am always trying new approaches = with=20 guitar...and of course, many things with various electronic techniques. = I have=20 even thought about using a violin as a bow on my electric guitar like in = SPINAL=20 TAP. However, haven't quite got that crazy hahaha...although I use = volume 11=20 quite often hahahaha
 
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I have alread two of them,but = that=B4s not=20 enough.I need four of them at minimum and use them later as a kind of = analog=20 "DX Synthesis" via
guitar.
The DOD isn=B4t that bad as it was = spelled.=20

Thanks a lot for your comment,=20

Marty=20

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>>I have a special relation to DODs = Dimension 12.=20 This thing is odd and really not a real looper device..... Anyone on = the=20 list,who wants to sell this device ?<<=20

I have posted positively on the subject of the=20 dimension-12. I have had a lot of fun with it, & used it on = stage with=20 damo suzuki last march, with a fretless jazz bass & an orange=20 amplifier.=20

I got it off e-bay for about $100. =
there isn't a perfect looping tool because we all want = them to do=20 different things. I also use jam-man, dl4, repeater, powertran mcs-1 = (2 of=20 each).... the dod does it's own thing, quite badly, but that's = partly why=20 it's such fun.=20

can't sell it, sorry!=20

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C486D9.7267D42E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:21:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHIcw11576; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:18:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040820145358.21999.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:18:01 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately, no. I've only been a LD list member for a little over two months. :-/ -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) --- Lance Zechinato wrote: > Too bad your upcoming shows arent in the Balto > area; Id really dig seeing > you in concert. 77 Times is amazing; Id love to > see that one live. > > Lance Lance, were you at the September,2003 show (CGT, Tom opening for them) in Frederick, MD? Paolo _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:36:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHRKh14270; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4126B3BD.70DB0DE5@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:30:22 -0700 From: cul-baisser@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 References: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370CC@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: XHxtPyZC8eNi6UuXCvM9fGAxt7Uf3culHWZAyNeq0UILNhP3ElsXwf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well. I just wanted to know,if someone has a DOD D12 to sell.But this mail gets to a philosophic area,wich I can not serve. What I can say is,that there is always a loop.On this site maybe in seconds or minutes,but also a life has alwas a Loop. SOmetimes easy to trace,sometimes hard to believe. A pattern is a pattern.When a born child hears the voice of the mother.It is a pattern.But when grown up we have reached a level of universe of patterns,wich we call loops then. Each human has its own universal loop.but when coming together we have duophonic loops.And in the best way,both can harmonize. My opinion is,God-if it ever exist-is musical. Marty Sauvageau Leo schrieb: > I don't have this device, but find what you've mentioned about it interesting. As far as it not being a looping device...I question this, if you do a pattern more than once using the device, such as chord progressions, then the device fits the criteria. From what I understand of this site, what defines looping here is somewhat blurred. However I do believe a loop of some kind needs to be a part of your setup considering the name. Oh well just throwing out some creative banter. > > Leo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Tauchen [mailto:cul-baisser@t-online.de] > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: DOD Dimension 12 > > Hi, > > I am new to the list. > > I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12.This thing is odd and > really not a real looper device. > Nevertheless I love this thing,because it is so basic and a little bit > weird. > The negative comments about this device tells stories enough at this > Website... > > I enjoy working with it,because of some gimmicks it has.Especially the > destructable Pitchchanging has a kind of > marvelous live electronic. > > Anyway,I use the EDP Pro and also Software-Loopers. > > But the usage of the DOD is kind of irrational using. > > Anyone on the list,who wants to sell this device ? > > Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:43:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHfxL18324; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <24.5e4b9b6b.2e579170@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:40:00 EDT Subject: Enjoying Oregon? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7KHeGh17912 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Coffin, I just saw you name on the LD list for the first time in a good while. I was wondering how you were enjoying being a newly arrived Oregon resident? Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:47:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHiKb18970; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <145.317384cf.2e57925b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:43:55 EDT Subject: Ooops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7KHi8h18806 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry folks I meant to post off list. I hit "send" too soon. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:49:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHkJC19557; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040820183917.028221a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:41:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #325 In-Reply-To: <200408201615.i7KGFUv27541@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408201615.i7KGFUv27541@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 17:15 20/08/04, you wrote: >I have started having problems with the EFC-7 footswitches, the record >But are there any known european providers, too? http://www.maplin.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 13:55:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KHor820865; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:50:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C486DE.2B0511CB" Subject: RE: Loop tracker / re-thinking technology X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370CE@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop tracker / re-thinking technology Thread-Index: AcSG0GiZOoV73CeQRCS+3Ym3NED2MQACh40g From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2004 17:50:24.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B694F00:01C486DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C486DE.2B0511CB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daryl...yes yes yes!!! You got it, exactly my point to doing this is to = allow for others to contribute. The fact I haven't even created it and = still presented it allows the Idea itself to loop and evolve. No ego = here I know this is such a dated invention and this can be done by = digital means with of course a sampler and a arpeggeiator set to random. = The point of doing this is to challenge the primitive means of times = gone by and create as my hero's did in thier time. Think about it, = Musique Concrete was done with tape cutting technique with tools = available at that time. ENO, RILEY etc. used tape looping technique in = the time it was invented. So my point to all this rambling is, had the = technology of the seventies existed, I have no doubt someone would have = done what I am proposing here. I am combining the two era's technologies = to see what could have been created if the tape looping, M concrete, and = 1970's 8-track had existed during the same era. The point here is of = course not about creating hit music...far from it. My goal is to create = a final device that creates looping , evolving random music using two = things TAPE and TAPE RECORDERS/PLAYERS this can be from any era. In fact = I may have to nab a dead or dying 8 track real to reel play head so that = as the record head switches tracks the tracks can still be heard. As of = right now if the record part of the head is engaged it can't = simultaneously play back like multi- track recorders of today.=20 =20 Daryl the concepts you present are right in line with my thinking. These = concepts are very cool indeed. I encourage anyone to make a similar = device to what I am proposing. That's what makes this so interesting as = it triggers other ideas...as already stated. =20 Leo =20 -----Original Message----- From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop tracker / re-thinking technology I'm dyin' to hear what this sounds like, Leo! I love the idea of credit = card strips too. Part of what I love about ideas like this, or the Magnatron, is how new = ideas can be generated which then can lead to development of other = products based on it. For example, I've seen people controlling a = laptop instrument with a pad and lightpen. Would it be possible to = recreate and extend the Magnatron with this technology - what I'm = thinking would be to assign a sample to the pad in a definite physical = space, so that dragging the pen at various spots would play that = particular part of the sample. Moving the pen forward would play it = forward, backwards backward, and the faster the drag, the higher the = pitch. The limitation of the Magnatron of course is that it's stuck = with the sample on it, at least practically. With a laptop, one could = change samples on the fly, or even assign 10 samples to the pad, or even = 100, in 1 inch "sample blocks". I've been messing with a stock Dictaphone transcriber for awhile, and = there's something unique about it that could be interesting for digital = loopers. I can record, say, 20 seconds of material, then switch into = playback/transcribe mode. Pressing the footswitch rewinds the tape a = few seconds, which is controllable between a fraction of a second and = four or five seconds with a slider. The really interesting thing is = that, with the slider set to maximum rewind, it's possible to control = how far back the rewind happens by how quickly the footswitch is = pressed. So, imagine a sample of someone saying "tracheotomy". As I = understand it, the EDP could do stutters with this loop like = "tra-tra-tra", or "tracheo-tracheo-tracheo". By varying the speed of = the footswitch click on the Dictaphone, I can replay small pieces while = still rewinding, doing things like = "tomy-eotomy-my-acheotromy-otomy-my-tracheotomy". I can actually play = back through the entire length of the tape, playing varying bits and = pieces while moving back. The fun part is it being foot-controlled, = which makes it much more expressive. I suppose to recreate this on the = EDP or other box, a time value would have to be assigned to the replay = function, so that a slow click would stop the sample, rewind to the = beginning and replay, while a fast click would stop the sample and only = go back part of the way. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com Mind you the above are all in concept phase... but theorically should = work. I am hoping to have these ready for the loopers convention this = october for a live performance. 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Daryl...yes yes yes!!! You got it, exactly my = point to=20 doing this is to allow for others to contribute. The fact I haven't even = created=20 it and still presented it allows the Idea itself to loop and evolve. No = ego here=20  I know this is such a dated invention and this can be done by = digital=20 means with of course a sampler and a arpeggeiator set to random. The = point of=20 doing this is to challenge the primitive means of times gone by and = create as my=20 hero's did in thier time. Think about it, Musique Concrete was done with = tape=20 cutting technique with tools available at that time. ENO, RILEY etc. = used tape=20 looping technique in the time it was invented. So my point to all this = rambling=20 is, had the technology of the seventies existed, I have no doubt = someone=20 would have done what I am proposing here. I am combining the two = era's=20 technologies to see what could have been created if the tape looping,=20 M concrete, and 1970's 8-track had existed during the same era. The = point=20 here is of course not about creating hit music...far from it. My goal is = to=20 create a final device that creates looping , evolving random = music=20 using two things TAPE and TAPE RECORDERS/PLAYERS this can be from any = era. In=20 fact I may have to nab a dead or dying 8 track real to reel play head so = that as=20 the record head switches tracks the tracks can still be heard. As of = right now=20 if the record part of the head is engaged it can't simultaneously play = back like=20 multi- track recorders of today.
 
Daryl=20 the concepts you present are right in line with my thinking. These = concepts are=20 very cool indeed. I encourage anyone to make a similar device to what I = am=20 proposing. That's what makes this so interesting as it triggers other = ideas...as=20 already stated.
 
Leo
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
Sent: Friday, August 20, = 2004=20 11:07 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Loop tracker / re-thinking technology


I'm dyin' to hear = what this=20 sounds like, Leo!  I love the idea of credit card strips = too.

Part=20 of what I love about ideas like this, or the Magnatron, is how new = ideas can=20 be generated which then can lead to development of other products = based on=20 it.  For example, I've seen people controlling a laptop = instrument with a=20 pad and lightpen.  Would it be possible to recreate and extend = the=20 Magnatron with this technology - what I'm thinking would be to assign = a sample=20 to the pad in a definite physical space, so that dragging the pen at = various=20 spots would play that particular part of the sample.  Moving the = pen=20 forward would play it forward, backwards backward, and the faster the = drag,=20 the higher the pitch.  The limitation of the Magnatron of course = is that=20 it's stuck with the sample on it, at least practically.  With a = laptop,=20 one could change samples on the fly, or even assign 10 samples to the = pad, or=20 even 100, in 1 inch "sample blocks".

I've been messing with a = stock=20 Dictaphone transcriber for awhile, and there's something unique about = it that=20 could be interesting for digital loopers.   I can record, = say, 20=20 seconds of material, then switch into playback/transcribe mode.  = Pressing=20 the footswitch rewinds the tape a few seconds, which is controllable = between a=20 fraction of a second and four or five seconds with a slider.  The = really=20 interesting thing is that, with the slider set to maximum rewind, it's = possible to control how far back the rewind happens by how quickly the = footswitch is pressed.  So, imagine a sample of someone saying=20 "tracheotomy".  As I understand it, the EDP could do stutters = with this=20 loop like "tra-tra-tra", or "tracheo-tracheo-tracheo".  By = varying the=20 speed of the footswitch click on the Dictaphone, I can replay small = pieces=20 while still rewinding, doing things like=20 "tomy-eotomy-my-acheotromy-otomy-my-tracheotomy".  I can actually = play=20 back through the entire length of the tape, playing varying bits and = pieces=20 while moving back. The fun part is it being foot-controlled, which = makes it=20 much more expressive.   I suppose to recreate this on the = EDP or=20 other box, a time value would have to be assigned to the replay = function, so=20 that a slow click would stop the sample, rewind to the beginning and = replay,=20 while a fast click would stop the sample and only go back part of the=20 way.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

Mind you the = above are all=20 in concept phase... but theorically should work. I am hoping to have = these=20 ready for the loopers convention this october for a live=20 performance.

Leo=20

------_=_NextPart_001_01C486DE.2B0511CB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 14:33:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KITth31958; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:29:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <145.31734241.2e579ced@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:29:01 EDT Subject: Andre LaFosse in September EM issue. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7KITHh31834 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, The postman just came so I was grazing through the newest Electronic Musician magazine when . . . lo and behold . . . there was a familiar face on page 28's "Profile" feature. Yup. It's Andre Lafosse giving an explanation of how "Normalized" was recorded to tech writer Matt Gallagher. Unfortunately the article focuses way to much on the computer techniques and plug-ins used in recording and not nearly enough (hardly any) on the EDP itself but heck! Kudus to 'Dre for the semi high-profile print . . . and amount of it (nearly a full page). Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 18:48:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KMl4E27119; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy DVD Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:40:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000c01c48467$aa1cf960$6701a8c0@server> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:40:51 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last time I saw him was many years before I was interested in looping, but I remember how much music he was making with just his acoustic and a rack (I'm guessing the Jamman). I think the Hendrix story is extant (at least I've never come across a verifiable source), though in Guitar Player he recalled a Nugent incident back in his Glass Harp days. Nothing like the Hendrix myth, but an interesting anecdote anyway. I don't follow Keaggy anymore but he's a great looper and acoustic player. I wonder if he still uses the Jamman or if he's "upgraded" to more recent looping gear, or even software. He's so familiar with the Jamman that it's probably counter-intuitive to switch because he "can". This is getting OT, but that's the one bust I have about software (or operating systems that you need to pay for) is that it's almost a version-lust mentaility... gotta upgrade, gotta upgrade... why? Because there's a new version! Some tools are so well-built that they don't require upgrades, like T-Rax (first a stand-alone and now a plug-in). I've owned it since it was released almost 5 years ago. Minor tweaks and bug fixes are all they've done with it (and now plug-in-ized). I wish other software were that well-engineered, but alas. Upgrades are an industry and the bread-and-butter of so many shops (Cakewalk is a perfect example... A new whole-number version introduced every year and a half.) Wow. Gooch is in a pissy mood! Sorry! :) Got wayyy off topic. To close the circle, the EDP and the Repeaters are examples of some pretty solid engineering, and the Jamman! If Keaggy's still sqeezing music out of his after all these years, that says a lot about the genius of the people who developed it. If the EDP doesn't survive, I sure hope LoopIV continues to live because (even as a non-LiveIV user) it is just such a cool instrument. (Again, apologies... long day of programming and my brain is in neo-chaos mode.) -----Original Message----- From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy1@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD Oops, I meant to type: www.philkeaggy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Carabee" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Phil Keaggy DVD > If you guys want to hear an incredible live looper (loopist?), then get over > to > > www.philkeaggy.org > > and order his new live DVD. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 18:56:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KMrkf28753; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: zurrigo is back Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C486E6.F7881FF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:53:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C486E6.F7881FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love the jazz-vibe some of these. You've got a nice warm tone. Doesn't sounds like an archtop, maybe a Paul or similar. That first tune "brankhooks" is really cool! I love the polyrhythms you build up by about midway. The very beginning of "intrigue III" has a soundtrack vibe to it. Sounds like a fadout from the previous tune. I think "virtue's cloak" is a standout! Very nice. How "old" is your EDP? I'm guessing blonde, but is it old feature-wise? -----Original Message----- From: zurrigo [mailto:zurrigo@mem.li] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: zurrigo is back hello to the looping and still spinning world from a small town in switzerland - i've been part of the community before, that's why i would like to say hello to everybody who still remembers the (slightly out-of-topic) boiled egg problems for all the others: do not hesitate to download any of the free mp3 files on my online demo at: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html and let me know what you think of it (solo electric guitar, connected to an old echoplex and a dbx compressor) so long zurrigo -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C486E6.F7881FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unbenanntes Dokument

I = love the jazz-vibe some of these.  = You’ve got a nice warm tone.  = Doesn’t sounds like an archtop, maybe a Paul or = similar.

 

Th= at first tune “brankhooks” is really cool!  I love the polyrhythms you build up by about = midway.

 

Th= e very beginning of “intrigue III” has a soundtrack vibe to = it.  Sounds like a fadout from the = previous tune.

 

I = think “virtue’s cloak” is a standout!  Very nice.

 

Ho= w “old” is your EDP?  I’m = guessing blonde, but is it old feature-wise?

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: zurrigo [mailto:zurrigo@mem.li]
Sent: Monday, August 16, = 2004 2:01 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: zurrigo is = back<= /p>

 <= /p>

hello to the looping and still spinning world from a small town in switzerland - i've = been part of the community before, that's why i would like to say hello to = everybody who still remembers the (slightly out-of-topic) boiled egg problems

for all the others: do not hesitate to download any of the free mp3 = files on my online demo at:

http://www= .mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html

and let me know what you think of it
(solo electric guitar, connected to an old echoplex and a dbx = compressor)

so long

zurrigo

-- = <= /p>

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse = 55<= /p>

3013 bern - = schweiz<= /p>

fonfax 031 33 246 = 44<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C486E6.F7881FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 19:22:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KNKUI05544; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <22706350.1093044001246.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:20:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phil Keaggy is a superb guitarist, but I've heard that Hendrix story attached to Keaggy, Billy Gibbons and...Terry Kath (Chicago). It's a nice sentiment, but I don't think it's from the universe of verifiable events, if you know what I'm saying... TravisH ******************************* Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:40:52 -0400 From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy DVD I think the Hendrix story is extant (at least I've never come across a verifiable source), though in Guitar Player he recalled a Nugent incident back in his Glass Harp days. Nothing like the Hendrix myth, but an interesting anecdote anywa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 19:32:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KNV6I07795; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c4870d$b5666dd0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Andre LaFosse in EM magazine Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:30:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, too, was excited to see Andre get such nice press in the latest Electronic Musician magazine and I felt bad that he isn't here now to read people being excited for him. He left Loopers Delight late last year for a number of reasons and I, for one, miss his presence here. He is an innovator and has been an invaluable contributor to both Loopers Delight, the entire Live Looping scene and, in particular, the culture and creativity of the Gibson EDP and I think that Loopers Delight is actually much the less for his absence. If you are a newbie and haven't checked out all of his postings and pages here at the site or his wonderful and very generous webpage, chronicling technical details of EDP technique, you owe it to yourself to check the archives. So........................... Would anyone be into signing an e-mail card to him, telling him that he is missed here and that we would love it if he would graciously consider returning to our fold? If so, please respond to me offlist. If I can get some support for this, I will write a brief letter send it to all of you privately and then send it to him if everybody feels good about having their signature on it. Also, I know that there was some contentiousness around Andre's leaving from several parties. If you think this is a crappy idea, again, please e-mail me offlist. I'd love to hear your feelings. Let's not gum up the mailing list here with another flame war.........we've had enough for the year already. yours, respectfully and in the spirit of uplifting the looping community. rick (rickwalker@looppool.info) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 19:44:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7KNfab09979; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:41:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:40:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22706350.1093044001246.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as a hendrix freek w/ numerous books, mags, papers, audio interviews, vids, etc. i concur. i do like what hendrix said to dick cavett on his show, when he told him "many people consider you the best guitarist in the world..." and JIMI retorts-"how about the best guitarist sitting in this chair?" toocool. s > Phil Keaggy is a superb guitarist, but I've heard that Hendrix story attached > to Keaggy, Billy Gibbons and...Terry Kath (Chicago). It's a nice sentiment, > but I don't think it's from the universe of verifiable events, if you know > what I'm saying... > > TravisH > > ******************************* > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:40:52 -0400 > From: "Lance Zechinato" > To: > Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy DVD > > I think the Hendrix story is extant (at least I've never come across a > verifiable source), though in Guitar Player he recalled a Nugent incident > back in his Glass Harp days. Nothing like the Hendrix myth, but an > interesting anecdote anywa > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 20 20:14:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7L0BrR19574; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:11:12 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001701c48713$5ec53f50$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <22706350.1093044001246.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read you loud and clear. His Mom always said he was pretty good, though. For a guy with only nine fingers, he's incredible. The DVD doesn't even show him at his best - In fact I would say he is at his worst. Still, you can see how incredible he is. Brian > Phil Keaggy is a superb guitarist, but I've heard that Hendrix story attached to Keaggy, Billy Gibbons and...Terry Kath (Chicago). It's a nice sentiment, but I don't think it's from the universe of verifiable events, if you know what I'm saying... > > TravisH > > ******************************* > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:40:52 -0400 > From: "Lance Zechinato" > To: > Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy DVD > > I think the Hendrix story is extant (at least I've never come across a > verifiable source), though in Guitar Player he recalled a Nugent incident > back in his Glass Harp days. Nothing like the Hendrix myth, but an > interesting anecdote anywa > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 21 08:09:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7LC2fF27694; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4127327A.5030007@mem.li> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:31:06 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LanceZechinato@verizon.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: dynamic loops References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020306010406020407030300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------020306010406020407030300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i forgot to say how i'm making use of "dynamic loops" and i'm sending this to the list as it might be of interest for other loopers i connect the edp to the second channel of my dby 1066 compressor/limiter/gate and the guitar signal (from the preamp) to it's sidechain return so i can control the dynamics of the loops with the dynamics of my guitar (the way this works gives me a very comfortable "analogue" feeling) cheers phil zurrigo Lance Zechinato wrote: > I love the jazz-vibe some of these. You've got a nice warm tone. > Doesn't sounds like an archtop, maybe a Paul or similar. > > > > That first tune "brankhooks" is really cool! I love the polyrhythms > you build up by about midway. > > > > The very beginning of "intrigue III" has a soundtrack vibe to it. > Sounds like a fadout from the previous tune. > > > > I think "virtue's cloak" is a standout! Very nice. > > > > How "old" is your EDP? I'm guessing blonde, but is it old feature-wise? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: zurrigo [mailto:zurrigo@mem.li] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: zurrigo is back > > > > hello to the looping and still spinning world from a small town in > switzerland - i've been part of the community before, that's why i > would like to say hello to everybody who still remembers the (slightly > out-of-topic) boiled egg problems > > for all the others: do not hesitate to download any of the free mp3 > files on my online demo at: > > http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html > > and let me know what you think of it > (solo electric guitar, connected to an old echoplex and a dbx compressor) > > so long > > zurrigo > > -- > > www.mem.li - mus.iq > > altenbergstrasse 55 > > 3013 bern - schweiz > > fonfax 031 33 246 44 > -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------020306010406020407030300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i forgot to say how i'm making use of "dynamic loops" and i'm sending this to the list as it might be of interest for other loopers

i connect the edp to the second channel of my dby 1066 compressor/limiter/gate and the guitar signal (from the preamp) to it's sidechain return so i can control the dynamics of the loops with the dynamics of my guitar (the way this works gives me a very comfortable "analogue" feeling)

cheers

phil zurrigo

Lance Zechinato wrote:
Unbenanntes Dokument

I love the jazz-vibe some of these.  You’ve got a nice warm tone.  Doesn’t sounds like an archtop, maybe a Paul or similar.

 

That first tune “brankhooks” is really cool!  I love the polyrhythms you build up by about midway.

 

The very beginning of “intrigue III” has a soundtrack vibe to it.  Sounds like a fadout from the previous tune.

 

I think “virtue’s cloak” is a standout!  Very nice.

 

How “old” is your EDP?  I’m guessing blonde, but is it old feature-wise?

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: zurrigo [mailto:zurrigo@mem.li]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:01 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: zurrigo is back

 

hello to the looping and still spinning world from a small town in switzerland - i've been part of the community before, that's why i would like to say hello to everybody who still remembers the (slightly out-of-topic) boiled egg problems

for all the others: do not hesitate to download any of the free mp3 files on my online demo at:

http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html

and let me know what you think of it
(solo electric guitar, connected to an old echoplex and a dbx compressor)

so long

zurrigo

--

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44


--
Unbenanntes Dokument

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44


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Make Loops Not War!!! --B_3175931067_148789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 21 13:09:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7LH3Sg16248; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:01:21 -0400 Subject: Dimension D From: andre To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408202256.i7KMuYv29976@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3175938081_571317" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3175938081_571317 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 * I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12.This thing is odd and really not a real looper device. Nevertheless I >love this thing,because it is so basic and a little bit weird. Of course it=B9s a looper. And, like any looper compared to another one, it cannot do everything another one can, and that other looper cannot do everything the D12 can do. It=B9s a highly usable tool. Having tried all forms of controlling the device -(1) from front panel buttons (2) with footswitchs (3) with MIDI, i=B9d recommend using the TECH 21 Midi-Mouse or similar. You have instantaneous control over record/play/reverse/start loop etc. I think this device always get=B9s shorted. My only complaint, in some instances, is noise. -Andre (east coast) --B_3175938081_571317 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dimension D Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12
  • I have a special relation to DO= Ds Dimension 12.This thing is odd and really not a real looper device. Never= theless I >love this thing,because it is so basic and a little bit weird.=

Of course it’s a looper. And, like any looper compared to another one= , it cannot do everything another one can, and that other looper cannot do e= verything the D12 can do. It’s a highly usable tool.

Having tried all forms of controlling the device -(1) from front panel butt= ons (2) with footswitchs (3) with MIDI, i’d recommend using the TECH 2= 1 Midi-Mouse or similar. You have instantaneous control over record/play/rev= erse/start loop etc.

I think this device always get’s shorted. My only complaint, in some = instances, is noise.

-Andre (east coast) --B_3175938081_571317-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 21 14:13:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7LIALq29812; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c487a9$53ab8930$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: Subject: Re: Dimension D Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:04:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48787.CC6BFB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48787.CC6BFB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dimension DDo most of you use this as a normal loop device? Or as a tap = tempo/hold based delay? The hold function seems alot more powerful then = the rather limited sampler abilities of it, and it is far less them many = of the greats in hold dleays, offering more time at a reasonable = price(like the $30 USD you see them finish at on Ebay). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: andre=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Dimension D=20 Subject: Re: DOD Dimension 12 a.. I have a special relation to DODs Dimension 12.This thing is odd = and really not a real looper device. Nevertheless I >love this = thing,because it is so basic and a little bit weird.=20 Of course it's a looper. And, like any looper compared to another one, = it cannot do everything another one can, and that other looper cannot do = everything the D12 can do. It's a highly usable tool. Having tried all forms of controlling the device -(1) from front panel = buttons (2) with footswitchs (3) with MIDI, i'd recommend using the TECH = 21 Midi-Mouse or similar. You have instantaneous control over = record/play/reverse/start loop etc. I think this device always get's shorted. My only complaint, in some = instances, is noise. -Andre (east coast) ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48787.CC6BFB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dimension D
Do most of you use this as a = normal loop=20 device?  Or as a tap tempo/hold based delay?  The hold = function seems=20 alot more powerful then the rather limited sampler abilities of it, and = it is=20 far less them many of the greats in hold dleays, offering more time at a = reasonable price(like the $30 USD you see them finish at on = Ebay).
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 andre
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: Dimension D

Subject: Re: DOD = Dimension=20 12
  • I have a special relation to DODs = Dimension=20 12.This thing is odd and really not a real looper device. = Nevertheless I=20 >love this thing,because it is so basic and a little bit weird.=20

Of = course it=92s a=20 looper. And, like any looper compared to another one, it cannot do = everything=20 another one can, and that other looper cannot do everything the D12 = can do.=20 It=92s a highly usable tool.

Having tried all forms of = controlling the=20 device -(1) from front panel buttons (2) with footswitchs (3) with = MIDI, i=92d=20 recommend using the TECH 21 Midi-Mouse or similar. You have = instantaneous=20 control over record/play/reverse/start loop etc.

I think this = device=20 always get=92s shorted. My only complaint, in some instances, is=20 noise.

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I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the ProSwitchbone amp switcher.
Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out...
    However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment for fear that I'll be the
winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This set-up of Kravitz here
looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest
right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings...
                                                                                                           Cheers,
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Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. --0-614318796-1093132728=:19105-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 21 20:59:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7M0vmL15828; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Switchbone/Loopbone Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:56:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C487A8.24420B20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040821235848.19116.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6KSRKC.A.4rD.t8-JBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C487A8.24420B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But Monica. Lenny Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, and point his finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way. When he was at Rock Star Academy (I should know, as we were roommates), Lenny graduated, tops in his class, and was named the school's "Most Rockinist " in a near unanimous decision. Ok, I did receive two sympathy votes from a couple of female tuba players, who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy demeanor that my rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or better yet don't buy at MF, and get it locally if you can. By the way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you tried it ? What else have you tried to compare it to? I've heard good things about their stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance to get my mits anything. is this too OT? [William Walker] -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switchbone/Loopbone I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the ProSwitchbone amp switcher. Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out... However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment for fear that I'll be the winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This set-up of Kravitz here looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings... Cheers, Monica ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C487A8.24420B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But=20 Monica.
Lenny=20 Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, and point = his=20 finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way.  When he was at = Rock=20 Star Academy (I should know, as we were roommates), Lenny graduated, = tops in his=20 class, and was named the school's "Most Rockinist " = in a near=20 unanimous decision. Ok, I did receive two sympathy votes from a couple = of female=20 tuba players, who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy = demeanor that=20 my rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or better = yet don't=20 buy at MF, and get it locally if you can.
 
By the=20 way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you tried it = ? What=20 else have you tried to compare it to?  I've heard good things about = their=20 stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance to get my mits anything. =  is=20 this too OT?

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C487A8.24420B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 00:04:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7M3x3G09440; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040819005342.045aa7d0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:55:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: New ways to donate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers! 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So if you enjoy Looper's Delight and want to help keep it going, I will really appreciate your support! thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 02:12:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7M6ARv17440; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:09:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "You can't be in two places at once. But, what if you could? I could be here, and here, and...."--Josie and the Pussycats More acoustic guitar loopage in the PacNW: August 22, Sunday, 10-30AM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) August 24, Tuesday, 7-8PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) August 26, Thursday 8-10PM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) August 27, Friday, 9-11PM Stuff Cafe (4216 6th Ave. NW) August 28*, Saturday 6-7PM P&G Speakeasy (15614 Main Street, Duvall) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 09:52:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MDoJB16113; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.180.168] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Two of my new techniques Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:49:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 13:49:40.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF364940:01C4884E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi there fellow soundsters.

 

I have finally god a bit of time to post to you two new techniques that I have been playing around with in order to extend my edps sound even further. Fisrt of I would just say that these techniques are only (im sure) new to me andmaybe youhave all found then ages ago, if so sorry.

 

TECHNIQUE ONE... The Sus-Guitar-Synth

Basically I wanted a different sound for a fast song that I normally play solo guitar sans-loop.

I recorded a very quick 0.15 tap of sus loop that is blank before I start, then upon playing  the first chord I also tap replace this captures 0.15 of a G chord and plays it as a crayzee synth sound thing, I play this at the same time as light arpegiated chords. Then  as I move on to the next chord I replace again to capture the same time and rythem but with the new chords sound.

 

TECHNIQUE TWO.... Feedback Generator


This is I guess a variation on the theme of the last technique but with differant perameters. to do this trick I lowered the feedback just a tiny smidge to 119 and  again recorded an even smaller fragment of looptime (about 0.05 but vary this for differant effect) I then play as normal but found that when I held down the overdub pedal I got a nice quick build up and fade of tiny sound loops that add an almost sitar like background that then fades away when you release the overdub pedal.

this one is fun because you can also eventually put the feedback right up and lock it in place to do an end jam or whatever.

anyways just a few thoughts for you all .

let me know if you found any varients or other tricks.


Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

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Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the FREE MSN Toolbar now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 12:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MGVaL05251; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4128C968.5060004@mem.li> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:27:20 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Two of my new techniques References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030001080703040706090509" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------030001080703040706090509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah: use multiply with both effects (ending with multiply OR record depending on the metrics you want to involve) try to overdub or even better: long multiply in stutter mode with reduced feedback and a "blind plug" in your feedback pedal socket ever heard of loop windowing? - i use it as follows 1. set up a very short empty loop and feedback to 0 2. push overdub 3. play a song or impro 4. use undo to step back fragments of your song and combine multiply and undo to make the fragments longer have fun zurrigo (playing these tricks and others at the klinkers club in london on the 28th of september - listen to a demo: http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html) -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------030001080703040706090509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah:  use multiply with both effects (ending with multiply OR record depending on the metrics you want to involve) try to overdub or even better: long multiply in stutter mode with reduced feedback and a "blind plug" in your feedback pedal socket

ever heard of loop windowing? - i use it as follows

1. set up a very short empty loop and feedback to 0
2. push overdub
3. play a song or impro
4. use undo to step back fragments of your song and combine multiply and undo to make the fragments longer

have fun

zurrigo (playing these tricks and others at the klinkers club in london on the 28th of september - listen to a demo:
http://www.mem.li/e/ei/eii/zurrigo_demo_online_e.html)


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--------------030001080703040706090509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 13:35:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MHRt517234; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.247.112] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music box Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:27:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 17:27:10.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[41360A90:01C4886D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I am looking for an instrument which emulates an original 'tox box' sound, like the ones which have ballerina's spinning around in. I want to encorporate it into my live looping show but I'm struggling to find anything that resembles the sound. Any ideas? Dan Mayfield _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 14:23:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MILGo28729; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:21:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:21:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Music box Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:20:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSIbbo02EAUWD7GQ6eZtKy4vEGYNAABi/fA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040822182019.NMUG20647.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4tEAgD.A.x_G.vPOKBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dan, For a start, you might try using in your sequencer, General MIDI, 011 Music Box, in the Melodic Percussion section, and then run it thru effects to get the sound you want. http://lmbpc.lincoln.ac.uk/audio/gmsounds.htm Tom -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Mayfield [mailto:bootstick@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music box Hi I am looking for an instrument which emulates an original 'tox box' sound, like the ones which have ballerina's spinning around in. I want to encorporate it into my live looping show but I'm struggling to find anything that resembles the sound. Any ideas? Dan Mayfield _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 15:31:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MJTrc09798; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Music box Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:29:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a technique with the DL4 where I record my loop at half speed and then switch to normal speed, which doubles the speed of the loop and raises the pitch by an octave. I've dubbed the net result "music box guitar" as it sounds like that to my ears. ) I would assume any other instrument looped in this fashion would render a similar effect. and both the boomerang and the EDP can do this technique, I believe. If I was using a synth. I'd probably pick a bell sound. and pitch it up and octave. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Mayfield [mailto:bootstick@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music box Hi I am looking for an instrument which emulates an original 'tox box' sound, like the ones which have ballerina's spinning around in. I want to encorporate it into my live looping show but I'm struggling to find anything that resembles the sound. Any ideas? Dan Mayfield _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 16:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MKOBJ25134; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c48884$914279d0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Guitar thru xover into bass amp? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:13:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4885A.A4A530A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4885A.A4A530A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've thought about the on vs. off topic nature of this question, and = I've decided that it's on topic enough to be worthy of consuming a few = LD bytes. I'd like to hear anyone's experiences with running a line level guitar = signal (I can adjust -10, or +4 db) into an active crossover, and then = into a traditional bass amp (or perhaps into a powered PA subwoofer of = some type). I figure this is a subject that at least *some* guitar = based loopers might have dealt with. =20 A few comments: I often use pitch shifting and 1/2 speed loops to go 1 octave down from = traditional guitar, and give my loops "bass parts" I would like to amplify those low range tones appropriately, so that the = final result sounds punchy, clear, but powerful "Powerful" in my case means that I'd want it to match volume with either = a JC-120, or a 30 watt Class A guitar combo. When/if I'm in a large = venue, I'd just mic whatever solution I come up with. Any experiences, advice, warnings, and even downright scolding are = welcome :) Well, ok, don't scold me. In the end, I'd like to keep it simple, and am thinking that an active = xover in my rack (I have a space left!) could then send a line level = guitar signal for my guitar amp (fx loop in), and a line level signal to = a bass amp. I guess the bass amp would not really need a preamp in this = case, so if I bought a combo, I think it would need an fx loop. A few specific things I'm just now researching, but would love to hear = about: Do I go with a bass combo, a clean poweramp+cab, or even a powered sub = with a built in crossover? Are there any combo or head bass amps that have built in crossovers that = would therefore amplify only my bass parts and pass the higher (guitar) = frequencies at line level? Recommendations on a good rackmount active crossover? Recommendations on a clean poweramp and speaker combo to amplify my low = end? THANKS!! in advance!! Dig ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4885A.A4A530A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've thought about the on vs. off topic = nature of=20 this question, and I've decided that it's on topic enough to be worthy = of=20 consuming a few LD bytes.
 
I'd like to hear anyone's experiences = with running=20 a line level guitar signal (I can adjust -10, or +4 db) into an active=20 crossover, and then into a traditional bass amp (or perhaps into a = powered PA=20 subwoofer of some type).  I figure this is a subject that at least = *some*=20 guitar based loopers might have dealt with. 
 
A few comments:
I often use pitch shifting and 1/2 = speed loops to=20 go 1 octave down from traditional guitar, and give my loops "bass=20 parts"
I would like to amplify those low range = tones=20 appropriately, so that the final result sounds punchy, clear, but=20 powerful
"Powerful" in my case means that I'd = want it to=20 match volume with either a JC-120, or a 30 watt Class A guitar = combo. =20 When/if I'm in a large venue, I'd just mic whatever solution I come up=20 with.
 
Any experiences, advice, warnings, and = even=20 downright scolding are welcome :)  Well, ok, don't scold = me.
 
In the end, I'd like to keep it simple, = and am=20 thinking that an active xover in my rack (I have a space left!) could = then send=20 a line level guitar signal for my guitar amp (fx loop in), and a line = level=20 signal to a bass amp.  I guess the bass amp would not really need a = preamp=20 in this case, so if I bought a combo, I think it would need an fx=20 loop.
 
A few specific things I'm just now = researching, but=20 would love to hear about:
 
Do I go with a bass combo, a clean = poweramp+cab, or=20 even a powered sub with a built in crossover?
Are there any combo or head bass amps = that have=20 built in crossovers that would therefore amplify only my bass parts = and=20 pass the higher (guitar) frequencies at line level?
Recommendations on a good rackmount = active=20 crossover?
Recommendations on a clean poweramp and = speaker=20 combo to amplify my low end?
 
THANKS!! in advance!!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4885A.A4A530A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 16:33:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MKW4227562; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:31:35 -0400 Subject: Re: New ways to donate From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040819005342.045aa7d0@annihilist.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Truly easy, kim. I've been meaning to do this for a long time, just did, and am happy to contribute... Hope everybody jumps on this 'thread' . And glad you mentioned coffee, just for kicks... Todd On 8/21/04 11:55 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > Hi Loopers! > > The other day, list member Tom Rex made a nice donation to Looper's Delight > through the PayPal donate button on the website. I really appreciate that, > as the costs of the site can be quite high and usually most of it is paid > for by me personally. I really depend on donations like Tom's to help cover > the cost. Thanks Tom! (and thanks to the many other generous who have made > donations in the past!) > > Tom also suggested a great idea. He wanted to know if it was possible to > set up a recurring donation that automatically makes a payment on a regular > basis. People have asked me this in the past, but at that time I didn't see > an easy way to do it. This time I checked at PayPal again, and they now > have this feature! > > I set up a simple form if you are interested in doing this: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/donate.html > > You can set up how often you want to make a donation to Looper's Delight > and the amount of each payment. PayPal will get the necessary info from > you, and then everything will happen automatically through PayPal after > that. If you ever want to cancel, it is just another button click to do so. > > I hope this makes supporting Looper's Delight more convenient for those of > you who have gained something from the site and are interested in helping out. > > I know how it is... there are plenty of things I would like to support, but > often I just forget or I'm too busy and don't get around to it. When I > finally remember I realize how long it's been since I donated anything, and > then I feel like I should donate more than I can easily afford at once.... > If you are like me, it is so much simpler to have my credit card > automatically charged a small amount each month! I hardly even notice a few > bucks on the statement, and over time I donate a lot more than I would have > otherwise. > > And it really doesn't take much to make a difference. Even if you just send > a couple bucks a month that helps - it's about the same as a year's > subscription to most magazines. You probably spend more on the coffee you > drink while reading LD posts each morning! > > So if you enjoy Looper's Delight and want to help keep it going, I will > really appreciate your support! > > thanks! > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 16:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MKcaW28960; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Music box sounds Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:38:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSIfpwik1ZU74AYRDeJFDuckivtjAAA6QMw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040822203809.UITH18308.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <8MjHgB.A.6DH.5QQKBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're probably right about the bell sound, Bill. The Fantom S has several patches for music boxes under it's bell category. There's also some music box pads that sound real cool. If I remember, someone was writing to the list about sounds for babies. These can be great soothing sounds to put anyone to sleep, esp. if done layering with the EDP. However, they work well with grunge also. I did some looping with the music boxes, and used a digerro for the bass line, with some hip hop rhythm patterns. Maybe today's kids would like that better :) Tom -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Music box I use a technique with the DL4 where I record my loop at half speed and then switch to normal speed, which doubles the speed of the loop and raises the pitch by an octave. I've dubbed the net result "music box guitar" as it sounds like that to my ears. ) I would assume any other instrument looped in this fashion would render a similar effect. and both the boomerang and the EDP can do this technique, I believe. If I was using a synth. I'd probably pick a bell sound. and pitch it up and octave. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 17:06:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MKwwq31872; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Guitar thru xover into bass amp? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:58:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSIhkK+RniAU+xrTJ2FxEPeDULtDQABCA7Q In-Reply-To: <002c01c48884$914279d0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040822205834.SVVV27028.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder-- What do people use with Roland VG-8s when playing bass parts? I use my Lexicon G2 for some octave down things--works pretty good--and I have been using the mains (15" and a horn) or the Carvin Stagemate (what is in that thing, a 10?), but I am pretty careless about my tone. Enjoy what's left of the summer! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 22 17:25:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7MLIj204169; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41290D5D.2000708@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:17:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: Save Adventurous Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends of EMUSIC, I am in need of all the help I can get to save my radio program. To understand the issues, here is the plea that I've sent to my local listeners. If you listen to EMUSIC by computer or are a musician or record label whose music is played on my radio program, please take the time to read this. I hope that everyone else will excuse my use of bandwidth for such selfish reasons. Cheers, Bill Fox http://soundscapes.us/bill === Dear Friends, Perhaps you have heard about a proposed merger between WDIY radio and WLVT television. It is my opinion that this is nothing more than a thinly veiled take over attempt that, in the long run, would eliminate the community aspects of WDIY. Shows such as EMUSIC would be in grave danger since they are hosted and produced by the community volunteers who have been the heart and soul of WDIY programming. WDIY's Bylaws state that the main purpose of WDIY is to be run by community volunteers and to present local programming that is not generally available. This is certainly contrary to how WLVT is run. The two, vastly different cultures would clash if WDIY and WLVT were to merge. I don't mean to say that there is anything wrong with WLVT or its programming. I'm just saying that WDIY's purpose and way of doing things are very foreign to WLVT management and that they have no allegiance to the WDIY philosophy. And since WLVT has a budget that is ten times the size of WDIY's, guess who would control the purse strings and be in charge of the resulting single organization? Do not take my word on this. Instead, you should make up your own mind. But please be sure that you get all of the facts and sift through the fictions that are acting as a smoke screen to clear thinking. I implore everyone who listens to WDIY to attend the membership and listener meeting at Godfrey Daniels on Monday, September 13, at 7:00 pm. Godfrey Daniels is located at: 7 East Fourth Street Bethlehem, Pennsylvania 18015-1601 610-867-2390 If you have strong feelings about this proposed merger, please make your feelings known to WDIY, its staff, and board members. You are the biggest part of the community in COMMUNITY Public Radio, WDIY. You must fight to save this precious Lehigh Valley gem. As Joni Mitchell said, "You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone." Only your actions can preserve the WDIY you love. You must voice your opinion while you still can. WDIY Contact information: 301 Broadway Bethlehem, Pennsylvania 18015 610-694-8100 610-954-9474 fax info@wdiyfm.org http://wdiy.org Although I am restricted by WDIY Guidelines from voicing my opinions on the air, I am free to speak my mind in my private life. Therefore, I need you to spread the word to as many listeners as possible. The more listener reaction there is, the more weight your voice will carry, forcing the WDIY board of directors to listen to reason. Musically yours, Bill Fox Host of EMUSIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 01:45:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7N5gKB15588; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c488d3$e6551870$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: VERY OFFTOPIC: Tonebone and other effects pedal discussions Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read with interest Monica's offtopic post about the Tonebone effects pedals and switchers. As a decidedly offtopic post in answer, I wanted to alert all the stomp box pedal and software plugin aficianados out there that I have started two tribes at www.tribe.net called, respectively STOMP BOX PEDALS and AUDIO PLUGIN JUNKIES ANNOYMOUS. We even have the exact same named groups at Yahoogroups for people who want to post sound files that demonstrate various effects, both hardware and software. We have some really knowledgeable people who participate at these discussion groups (which are not huge) and already there are a lot of resources and websites listed their by members. www.tribe.net is an internet social networking website that, unlike some place like www.friendster.com, is not just a party spot or meat market. It is organized into tribes that members form around common interests and there are looping tribes (list member Mark Sottilaros' Cycletronica tribe is cool), electronic music tribes,musical style tribes, music theory tribes (that one has some amazingly knowledgeable and very very generous members), etc. It's free and this is starting to sound disgustingly like a paid endorsment which it most certainly is not. All you stompbox and electronic processing freaks should come join us there. You can just go to the site and look for my profile page (where you will see a list of the tribes I belong to) or you can write to me offlist and I'll send you a personal invite. I'm at rickwalker@looppool.info. The following has been a service to Loopers Delight to weed out future offtopic discussions...........................lol. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 02:55:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7N6rcw30886; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040822235005.04cef2f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:53:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New ways to donate In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040819005342.045aa7d0@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2vW2HB.A.9hH.gRZKBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:52 AM 8/22/2004, todd reynolds wrote: >Truly easy, kim. I've been meaning to do this for a long time, just did, >and am happy to contribute... > >Hope everybody jumps on this 'thread' . And glad you mentioned coffee, just >for kicks... Hi Todd, thanks a lot for your support! It really does help me keep the site going. I'm glad this recurring donation idea worked for you, and I'm glad you've found Looper's Delight to be worthwhile! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 03:45:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7N7hFG06391; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:43:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Two of my new techniques Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:42:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 22, 2004, at 3:49 PM, lol c wrote: > . The Sus-Guitar-Synth //snip// > Feedback Generator //snip// > /Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Thanks for sharing EDP tips! As an EDP user, and fan, I'm finding this thread very interesting. There are just so many ways to make original music with an EDP! The real challenge seems to be to find a way to set up your controller to let you use as many tricks as possible without interrupting the musical flow. So far I'm very happy with my Behringer FCB1010 as a midi controller for my EDP and other parallel loopers. Tip: All front panel buttons, and actions (commands), can fulfill different tasks depending on the mode the EDP is set to. This might seem as a problem for the musician who wants to quickly jump between many functions, not keen on stop playing to bend over the front plate to re-button the EDP mode. But the solution is to use a midi foot controller to change program. Then you simply have to prepare different EDP programs with the settings needed for the specific tasks, to be recalled by a simple midi program change. This will, for example, let you jump between quantized and not quantized, between insert and substitute replace etc etc. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 05:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7N9mlR30500; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c488f6$482bd120$1bd489d9@j8i7l0> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <20040822203809.UITH18308.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Music box sounds Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:48:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try a ring modulator. or I use a technique in 1 of my pieces of crossing two guitar strings over. I get a pseudo gamelan effect by looping this. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 09:05:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ND3ge03038; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200408221352.i7MDqkE17388@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408221352.i7MDqkE17388@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:02:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Decision Dream Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High; This is just a reminder that i'll be looping with my improvising trio Decision Dream in London on the 26th (this Thursday). The venue is The Playroom 'Chez Stelios', 10 Paddington Street and Nottingham Place, London W1U 5QL at 9pm. Once again, i want to warn that the music is not for the faint of heart. I hope to see some of you there. -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Drone masterpieces and Loopadelica at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 11:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NFHdm26894; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:17:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040823151613.91626.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <15sm1D.A.YiG.BpgKBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even Phil Keaggy himself has said that story about Jimi is a complete myth. He said he didn't know how it got started, but that it's definitely not true. Seemed like there used to be a FAQ on his website some time in the past that briefly discussed that, but I don't see it now. Perhaps they redesigned and that got left behind. --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > as a hendrix freek w/ numerous books, mags, papers, audio interviews, vids, > etc. i concur. > i do like what hendrix said to dick cavett on his show, when he told him > "many people consider you the best guitarist in the world..." and JIMI > retorts-"how about the best guitarist sitting in this chair?" > toocool. > s > > > Phil Keaggy is a superb guitarist, but I've heard that Hendrix story attached > > to Keaggy, Billy Gibbons and...Terry Kath (Chicago). It's a nice sentiment, > > but I don't think it's from the universe of verifiable events, if you know > > what I'm saying... > > > > TravisH > > > > ******************************* > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:40:52 -0400 > > From: "Lance Zechinato" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy DVD > > > > I think the Hendrix story is extant (at least I've never come across a > > verifiable source), though in Guitar Player he recalled a Nugent incident > > back in his Glass Harp days. Nothing like the Hendrix myth, but an > > interesting anecdote anywa > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 12:20:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NGHK805719; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c4892d$1702a740$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040822205834.SVVV27028.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Guitar thru xover into bass amp? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:20:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.171.201] at Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:15:59 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Bag End 15-inch bass speaker powered by a blackface Fender Bandmaster. The two seem to work well together, especially when playing layered low frequencies via a bass and an EDP. Admittedly, it's not the loudest set-up if all I did was play super-lo's, but it's warm and not too bad to carry around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: RE: Guitar thru xover into bass amp? > I wonder-- > What do people use with Roland VG-8s when playing bass parts? > I use my Lexicon G2 for some octave down things--works pretty good--and I > have been using the mains (15" and a horn) or the Carvin Stagemate (what is > in that thing, a 10?), but I am pretty careless about my tone. > Enjoy what's left of the summer! > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 15:15:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NJDaL10579; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040823191201.76138.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh well. It was definitely worth the drive, coming up from No. VA where I live. Good for them, too, that their gig the following night in Annapolis was canceled - it was the same night the hurricane hit. Paolo --- Lance Zechinato wrote: > Unfortunately, no. I've only been a LD list member > for a little over two > months. :-/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paolo Valladolid > [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin > w. TG (gig spam) > > > --- Lance Zechinato > wrote: > > > Too bad your upcoming shows arent in the Balto > > area; Id really dig seeing > > you in concert. 77 Times is amazing; Id love to > > see that one live. > > > > Lance > > Lance, were you at the September,2003 show (CGT, Tom > opening for them) in Frederick, MD? > > Paolo > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter > now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 15:36:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NJXel15247; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:33:43 -0400 Subject: Question about the far outlet From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a portable electric supply so i can loop outside, and several people have recommended the far outlet -- i'm also checking into something called the solo (http://innovativeoutdoortechnologies.com/brunton_main.html) Just spoke to someone at the company that sells it and he seems to think it could run my equipment (akai headrush, yamaha vl70, small amp, samson wireless mike) -- he says it will run for a quarter of the time that a far outlet will supply -- so my question is to you guys, has anyone run a far outlet with a comparable setup to mine and how long will it supply power for? any guesses? thanks in advance, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 16:51:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NKm1730097; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040823204617.6930.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: Kravitz bites it./to be or not to be off-topic?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1556937611-1093293977=:6868" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1556937611-1093293977=:6868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii William: Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity has this man ever produced? He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince wanna-be. I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will smoke him - why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning real technique and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior music. I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till I've got it so tight that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done! Monica PS>Re: off-topic, I had assumed a discussion of a LOOP STATION was indeed relevant to looping. As was discussion of any tools relevant to enhance the music contained in those loops. I found this forum valuable for all the various technical info. I'd received in response to various ?s and at times tried to return that with info. I had. My apologies... William Walker wrote: But Monica. Lenny Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, and point his finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way. When he was at Rock Star Academy (I should know, as we were roommates), Lenny graduated, tops in his class, and was named the school's "Most Rockinist " in a near unanimous decision. Ok, I did receive two sympathy votes from a couple of female tuba players, who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy demeanor that my rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or better yet don't buy at MF, and get it locally if you can. By the way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you tried it ? What else have you tried to compare it to? I've heard good things about their stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance to get my mits anything. is this too OT? [William Walker] -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switchbone/Loopbone I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the ProSwitchbone amp switcher. Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out... However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment for fear that I'll be the winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This set-up of Kravitz here looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings... Cheers, Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. --0-1556937611-1093293977=:6868 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
William:
     Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic sophistocation     and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity has this man ever produced?
He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince wanna-be.
I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will smoke him -
why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning real technique
and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior music.
I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till I've got it so tight
that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done!
Monica
 
PS>Re: off-topic, I had assumed a discussion of a LOOP STATION was indeed
      relevant to looping. As was discussion of any tools relevant to enhance the music
      contained in those loops. I found this forum valuable for all the various
      technical info. I'd received in response to various ?s and at times tried to return
      that with info. I had. My apologies...

William Walker <billwalker@looppool.info> wrote:
But Monica.
Lenny Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, and point his finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way.  When he was at Rock Star Academy (I should know, as we were roommates), Lenny graduated, tops in his class, and was named the school's "Most Rockinist " in a near unanimous decision. Ok, I did receive two sympathy votes from a couple of female tuba players, who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy demeanor that my rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or better yet don't buy at MF, and get it locally if you can.
 
By the way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you tried it ? What else have you tried to compare it to?  I've heard good things about their stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance to get my mits anything.  is this too OT?

[William Walker] 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:59 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Switchbone/Loopbone
I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the ProSwitchbone amp switcher.
Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out...
    However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment for fear that I'll be the
winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This set-up of Kravitz here
looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest
right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings...
                                                                                                           Cheers,
                                                                                                           Monica
                                            

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Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. --0-1556937611-1093293977=:6868-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 17:09:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NL7Mg02807; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412A5B8B.9070005@mem.li> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:03:07 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kravitz bites it./to be or not to be off-topic?... References: <20040823204617.6930.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040001040908000403070206" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------040001040908000403070206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why don't you go *** some where else? Monica wrote: > William: > Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic > sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural > intensity has this man ever produced? > He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince > wanna-be. > I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will > smoke him - > why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning > real technique > and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior > music. > I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till > I've got it so tight > that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and > not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much > for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in > conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke > that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done! > Monica > > PS>Re: off-topic, I had assumed a discussion of a LOOP STATION was indeed > relevant to looping. As was discussion of any tools relevant to > enhance the music > contained in those loops. I found this forum valuable for all > the various > technical info. I'd received in response to various ?s and at > times tried to return > that with info. I had. My apologies... > > William Walker wrote: > > But Monica. > Lenny Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, > and point his finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way. > When he was at Rock Star Academy (I should know, as we were > roommates), Lenny graduated, tops in his class, and was named the > school's "Most Rockinist " in a near unanimous decision. Ok, I did > receive two sympathy votes from a couple of female tuba players, > who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy demeanor that my > rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or > better yet don't buy at MF, and get it locally if you can. > > By the way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you > tried it ? What else have you tried to compare it to? I've heard > good things about their stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance > to get my mits anything. is this too OT? > > [William Walker] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Switchbone/Loopbone > > I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing > the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be > of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher > boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they > have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the > ProSwitchbone amp switcher. > Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out... > However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment > for fear that I'll be the > winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This > set-up of Kravitz here > looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting > naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his > flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest > right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings... > > Cheers, > > Monica > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now > . -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------040001040908000403070206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why don't you go *** some where else?

Monica wrote:
William:
     Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic sophistocation     and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity has this man ever produced?
He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince wanna-be.
I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will smoke him -
why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning real technique
and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior music.
I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till I've got it so tight
that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done!
Monica
 
PS>Re: off-topic, I had assumed a discussion of a LOOP STATION was indeed
      relevant to looping. As was discussion of any tools relevant to enhance the music
      contained in those loops. I found this forum valuable for all the various
      technical info. I'd received in response to various ?s and at times tried to return
      that with info. I had. My apologies...

William Walker <billwalker@looppool.info> wrote:
But Monica.
Lenny Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, and point his finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way.  When he was at Rock Star Academy (I should know, as we were roommates), Lenny graduated, tops in his class, and was named the school's "Most Rockinist " in a near unanimous decision. Ok, I did receive two sympathy votes from a couple of female tuba players, who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy demeanor that my rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or better yet don't buy at MF, and get it locally if you can.
 
By the way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you tried it ? What else have you tried to compare it to?  I've heard good things about their stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance to get my mits anything.  is this too OT?

[William Walker] 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:59 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Switchbone/Loopbone

I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the ProSwitchbone amp switcher.
Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out...
    However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment for fear that I'll be the
winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This set-up of Kravitz here
looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest
right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings...
                                                                                                           Cheers,
                                                                                                           Monica
                                            

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--------------040001040908000403070206-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 17:22:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NLEY704471; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:14:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:14:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040823211256.24087.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: sweet force Subject: i need EDP memory upgrade info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a echoplex EDP and am wondering abut memory upgrades: what kinkd of memory do i need specifically and how much can be added. and how do i add it? i have the version that out of the box had just 12 seconds. i'm thinking it might need some older perhaps slower memory...this model is from pre 2000...maybe like 1996-97? also wondering af any one has a manual in th SanFramn area and would be willing to let me xerox it or buy it. and finally is there an upgrade path to the 'echoplex digital pro plus'. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 18:12:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NM3xg17073; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040823220312.52452.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Pedalboards anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040819002114.13017.qmail@web40713.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to everyone who responded! I forgot to mention I also need a rack case to transport my MOTU 828MkII and an 8x8 MIDI interface (probably another MOTU). I'm mainly look for a way to tranport these plus my delay pedals, Nord Micromodular, and Triwave Picogenerator in one unit - to cut down on set up/tear down time. I never had to worry about this until I found myself in a band... Heck I may even rackmount my Emu XL7 too. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 18:20:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7NMCsO18628; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:12:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412A6AEC.9090706@mem.li> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:08:44 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i need EDP memory upgrade info References: <20040823211256.24087.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000604020006090901000403" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------000604020006090901000403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's the link to the answers: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html best phil sweet force wrote: >I have a echoplex EDP and am wondering abut memory >upgrades: what kinkd of memory do i need specifically >and how much can be added. and how do i add it? i have >the version that out of the box had just 12 seconds. >i'm thinking it might need some older perhaps slower >memory...this model is from pre 2000...maybe like >1996-97? > >also wondering af any one has a manual in th SanFramn >area and would be willing to let me xerox it or buy >it. > >and finally is there an upgrade path to the 'echoplex >digital pro plus'. > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > > > -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------000604020006090901000403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's the link to the answers:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html
best
phil

sweet force wrote:
I have a echoplex EDP and am wondering abut memory
upgrades: what kinkd of memory do i need specifically
and how much can be added. and how do i add it? i have
the version that out of the box had just 12 seconds.
i'm thinking it might need some older perhaps slower
memory...this model is from pre 2000...maybe like
1996-97?

also wondering af any one has a manual in th SanFramn
area and would be willing to let me xerox it or buy
it.

and finally is there an upgrade path to the 'echoplex
digital pro plus'.


		
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--------------000604020006090901000403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 23 20:25:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7O0N8b09365; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200408232109.i7NL9Xv03548@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408232109.i7NL9Xv03548@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:22:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re:gig spam... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6pQMfC.A.kQC.MpoKBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, the Decision Dream gig that i posted about (26 August in London) at The Playroom 'Chez Stelios' has been cancelled. Bummer. I was looking forward to it. -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Drone masterpieces and Loopadelica at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 00:09:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7O40mL19578; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio and Tony Levin w. TG (gig spam) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:53:35 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040823191201.76138.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040823191201.76138.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <200408240353.55194.outergalen@toadmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7O3xxh19434 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I will note, however, that the long delayed make-up gig the following spring was fabulous (even though Levin & Mastellato were not with them.) If anyone has the chance to see the CGT I highly recommend it. Todd On Monday 23 August 2004 07:12 pm, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Oh well. It was definitely worth the drive, coming up > from No. VA where I live. Good for them, too, that > their gig the following night in Annapolis was > canceled - it was the same night the hurricane hit. > > Paolo > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKru/K/0zUuzMUgQRAqXcAJ92XuQLaBNIw5Oi7qSSCzdXR611wgCeP4Fw 1KROB3Yh3dH5KtNR3zswdNE= =CQnz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 04:36:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7O8SqJ31718; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c489b4$0ab4dbc0$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: RE Two of my new techniques Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:26:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C489C4.CE260510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C489C4.CE260510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Per...thats what this list should be all about, tips n = tricks!! =20 =20 1) > . The Sus-Guitar-Synth //snip// =20 I use this alot, maybe I use a slightly larger loop tho, and play quite = regular strums over the top... BUT with guitar channel MUTED, then I = hammer as fast as I can on the SUS Replace button on my FCB1010, the = guitar chords chop in and are only heard in the loop and slowly (when I = change chord, the new chord replaces the first in little snippets... =20 2) ANOTHER: (maybe I nicked this one off you Per?? Read a post from you = ages ago, and I'm not sure if this is what you were talking about, but I = ended up with this... its a GOODIE!) For those Repeater AND EDP owners: Program your foot controller with the = following pedals. 1st pedal record on BOTH edp AND repeater (using note = for edp and prog ch for the repeater) 2nd pedal record for the EDP and = DELETE for the Repeater (this will be your ERASE both machines one one = foot press button... you need it, remember to HOLD DOWN pedal for EDP = long press) and 3rd Overdub on the EDP and Record on the Repeater (Over = dub IS the record button on the Repeater. Now... depending on how you are synching them together,and your setting = for 8ths notes, you can record a phrase and the edp will loop it AS = normal, but the Repeater will loop it TWICE as slow, or 4 times as = slow.. Now its tricky, and weird, so I wouldn't suggest the technique in = church with your Christian Rock band, but... on glitch nite at the = Klinker (London), Bl=E5 (Oslo), Off-Site (Tokyo), or Knitting = Factory..(NYC..still there???) it should go down a storm! =20 3) And Now a daring one, not for the faint hearted, or someone with = expensive speakers, can be risky.. cos it involves making a feedback = loop (we like them don't we?) between the edp AND the repeater... 1.Make initial LONG loop on both loopers, (with loopers synched = together) pitch the repeater tracks up (or down if your angry)AND TRACK = SLIP the repeater a few bars, THEN, send the EDP to the Repeater and the = repeater to the EDP, and hit overdub on both... start playing.. and wait = for your playing to cross to the repeater, loop delayed and pitched, = transfer itself to the edp, and back again, pitch up again.. and on we = go, higher higher higher, till your wings melt and you have to DO = SOMETHING .. ANYTHING!!! STOP/UNDO/REPLACE on BOTH machines!! =20 My use of this also involves a Filter Factory, that filters the Repeater = sound before it comes back to the EDP and I end up with a "High in pitch = high in tone" angelic ethereal cloud hovering above the music... but it = can just as easily become a chainsaw fight in a Cess Pit, in other = words, a right mess! =20 Enjoy, and mind yer Genelecs!! =20 Mark =20 www.markfrancombe.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C489C4.CE260510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = agree with=20 Per...thats what this list should be all about, = tips n=20 tricks!!

 

 

1)

> . The=20 Sus-Guitar-Synth

//snip//

 

I use this alot,=20 maybe I use a slightly larger loop tho, and = play quite=20 regular strums over the top... BUT with guitar channel MUTED, then I = hammer as=20 fast as I can on the SUS Replace button on my FCB1010, the guitar chords = chop in=20 and are only heard in the loop and slowly (when I change chord, the new = chord=20 replaces the first in little snippets...

 

2)

ANOTHER: (maybe I = nicked=20 this one off you Per?? Read a post from you = ages ago,=20 and I=92m not sure if this is what you were talking about, but I ended = up with=20 this... its a = GOODIE!)

For those Repeater = AND EDP=20 owners: Program your foot controller with the following pedals. 1st = pedal record=20 on BOTH edp AND = repeater=20 (using note for edp and prog=20 ch for the repeater) 2nd pedal record for = the EDP and=20 DELETE for the Repeater (this will be your ERASE both machines one one foot press button... you need it, remember to = HOLD DOWN=20 pedal for EDP long press) and 3rd Overdub on the EDP and Record on the = Repeater=20 (Over dub IS the record button on the = Repeater.

Now... depending = on how you=20 are synching them together,and your setting for 8ths notes, you can = record a=20 phrase and the edp will loop it AS normal, = but the=20 Repeater will loop it TWICE as slow, or 4 times as slow.. Now its = tricky, and=20 weird, so I wouldn=92t suggest the technique in church with your = Christian Rock=20 band, but... on glitch nite at the Klinker (London), Bl=E5 (Oslo), Off-Site=20 (Tokyo), or Knitting = Factory..(NYC..still there???) it should=20 go down a storm!

 

3)

And Now a daring = one, not=20 for the faint hearted, or someone with expensive speakers, can be = risky.. cos it involves = making a feedback=20 loop (we like them don=92t we?) between the edp AND the=20 repeater...

1.Make initial = LONG loop on=20 both loopers, (with loopers=20 synched together) pitch the repeater tracks up (or down if your = angry)AND TRACK=20 SLIP the repeater a few bars, THEN, send the EDP to the Repeater and the = repeater to the EDP, and hit overdub on both... start playing.. and wait = for=20 your playing to cross to the repeater, loop delayed and pitched, = transfer itself=20 to the edp, and back again, pitch up again.. = and on we go, higher higher higher, till your wings melt and you have to DO = SOMETHING ..=20 ANYTHING!!! STOP/UNDO/REPLACE on BOTH = machines!!

 

My use of this = also involves=20 a Filter Factory, that filters the Repeater sound before it comes back = to the=20 EDP and I end up with a =93High in pitch high in tone=94 angelic = ethereal cloud=20 hovering above the music... but it can just as easily become a chainsaw = fight in=20 a Cess Pit, in other words, a right=20 mess!

 

Enjoy, and mind = yer Genelecs!!

 

Mark

 

www.markfrancombe.com

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C489C4.CE260510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 05:57:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7O9thN11487; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:55:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:55:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412B1083.7020704@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:55:15 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Kravitz bites it./to be or not to be off-topic?... References: <20040823204617.6930.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> <412A5B8B.9070005@mem.li> In-Reply-To: <412A5B8B.9070005@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what does *** mean? isn't europe also the home to the eurovision song contest? is that art? why am I joining in this discussion? buggered if I know... omjn zurrigo wrote: > why don't you go *** some where else? > > Monica wrote: > >> William: >> Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic >> sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural >> intensity has this man ever produced? >> He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince >> wanna-be. >> I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will >> smoke him - >> why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning >> real technique >> and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior >> music. >> I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till >> I've got it so tight >> that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and >> not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much >> for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in >> conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke >> that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done! >> Monica >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 06:05:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OA3sc13584; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c489c0$e7881d80$6802a8c0@blah> From: "shane" To: References: <20040823204617.6930.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> <412A5B8B.9070005@mem.li> <412B1083.7020704@iinet.net.au> Subject: EDP on ebay.... Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:58:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the person selling the EDP presently on EBay a member of this board? Please respond to my addy directly if so: Thank you Shane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 06:14:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OACGn14417; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040824101140.94734.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Kravitz bites it./to be or not to be off-topic?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <412B1083.7020704@iinet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mjnoble wrote: > what does *** mean? > > isn't europe also the home to the eurovision song > contest? is that art? > > why am I joining in this discussion? > > buggered if I know... > > > omjn Yeah, I was tempted to post something pithy like "women & their irony boards" or "the next Boy George, but with a guitar & a penis" but I was going thru possible responses faster than Arnold Schwarzenegger in "The Terminator" so I decided not to. ;) John > > > > > zurrigo wrote: > > > why don't you go *** some where else? > > > > Monica wrote: > > > >> William: > >> Posing is tedious. What music of real > compositional aesthetic > >> sophistocation and/or compelling > primal/erotic/supernatural > >> intensity has this man ever produced? > >> He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add > to that a Prince > >> wanna-be. > >> I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player > myself one day I will > >> smoke him - > >> why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my > dues and learning > >> real technique > >> and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish > it and make superior > >> music. > >> I won't even come on the scene for about another > maybe 3 years till > >> I've got it so tight > >> that it hurts and more likely in the European > sphere where art and > >> not corporate excess is still the essence of > music. I don't care much > >> for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm > about to produce in > >> conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar > companies will smoke > >> that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show > everybody how it's done! > >> Monica > >> > >> > > ===== John Tidwell http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/bc/wedgehed _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 06:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OASPJ19053; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Question about the far outlet Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:26:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSJSGgTphBXMiLfTueibvLAFCBbUwAe7R5w Message-Id: <20040824102700.CXJS14924.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a new battery for the FO a couple of months ago--when new, the batteries last for 3-4 hours of moderately loud amplification. Last time I used it, I plugged a bass amp in, as well as the Carvin StageMate for vocals, and we played for three hours outside at Mission Bay in San Diego. It didn't run out of juice! I think amplifiers use more electricity than outboard gear--and although the StageMate was plugged in, it is also battery powered, with some sort of internal switching, so that may have helped save juice. Steve, how loud do you want/need to be? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 06:50:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OAmkN22836; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412B1BDB.2060605@mem.li> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:43:39 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kravitz bites it./to be or not to be off-topic?... References: <20040823204617.6930.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> <412A5B8B.9070005@mem.li> <412B1083.7020704@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080407030501090907070304" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------080407030501090907070304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** actually means art mjnoble wrote: > what does *** mean? > > isn't europe also the home to the eurovision song contest? is that art? > > why am I joining in this discussion? > > buggered if I know... > > > omjn > > > > > zurrigo wrote: > >> why don't you go *** some where else? >> >> Monica wrote: >> >>> William: >>> Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic >>> sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural >>> intensity has this man ever produced? >>> He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince >>> wanna-be. >>> I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I >>> will smoke him - >>> why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning >>> real technique >>> and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior >>> music. >>> I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till >>> I've got it so tight >>> that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and >>> not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care >>> much for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to >>> produce in conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar >>> companies will smoke that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna >>> show everybody how it's done! >>> Monica >>> >>> > > -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------080407030501090907070304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** actually means art

mjnoble wrote:
what does *** mean?

isn't europe also the home to the eurovision song contest? is that art?

why am I joining in this discussion?

buggered if I know...


omjn




zurrigo wrote:

why don't you go *** some where else?

Monica wrote:

William:
     Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic sophistocation     and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity has this man ever produced?
He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince wanna-be.
I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will smoke him -
why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning real technique
and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior music.
I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till I've got it so tight
that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done!
Monica
 




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Unbenanntes Dokument

www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44


--------------080407030501090907070304-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 07:38:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OBaIl29262; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:36:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:36:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--923978953 From: drop_d Subject: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:35:37 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7--923978953 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi, I'm a lurker, aspiring looper and a recent subscriber to Looper's-D. It's been a pleasure to read the exchanges and listen to the various mp3s over the past couple of weeks. Even the Lenny Kravitz thread has been good for a giggle. Dare I admit having liked "Mama Said" when it came out. I'm sorry, Monica, but I thought it not only had "real compositional aesthetic sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity," but also down home family values--and THAT'S worth a lot in an election year. The way the two guitar riffs worked together was really quite nice, too. I'm an ex-band vocalist/guitarist/bassist who has started doing solo gigs. I borrowed a friend's Boomerang a couple months ago and got interested in using loops in my solo gigs. I figured I would get some beats together and sync some bass and guitar loops to them and sing a bit. Sort of a Beck (not Jeff) kind of sound. It seems pretty straightforward, but my infrequent dabbles in MIDI have taught me that things MIDI are ever quite as easy as one thinks they should be (for me anyway). I need some recommendations for gear and advice. If any of this is redundant, answered in an FAQ, an archive or another site please point me in the right direction. 1)In the FAQ for the EDP, it said that the EDP could be synched to a sequencer etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for a drum machine or a sampler (I haven't decided which to go with) that could store a bunch of beats, and to which I could sync an EDP? 2)Does the EDP permit switching between several looped guitar or bass lines--could I have record a loop and call it up later on in the same tune, or is it lost as soon as I stop using it? (Eg. could I record the guitar riffs in "Mama Said" as loops, stop them when the song gets to the "But I'm always on the run . . . " bit, and start one or two of them back up after the chorus still synched to the drum track or sampled beats?--Not that I'll be covering LK) 3)If I am synching an EDP to a sequencer or sampler, what kind of foot controller should I use? Would it be possible to control a midi preamp, a g-force and the EDP with the same controller? 4)Can I have output from a vocal microphone or the sampler looped on the same EDP I use for the guitar, and treat those loops just like the others? Do I need separate EDPs for different sources? 5)Has anyone got an EDP for sale? (Please contact me off the list) Thanks, Philip --Apple-Mail-7--923978953 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm a lurker, aspiring looper and a recent subscriber to Looper's-D. It's been a pleasure to read the exchanges and listen to the various mp3s over the past couple of weeks. Even the Lenny Kravitz thread has been good for a giggle. Dare I admit having liked "Mama Said" when it came out. I'm sorry, Monica, but I thought it not only had "real compositional aesthetic sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity," but also down home family values--and THAT'S worth a lot in an election year. The way the two guitar riffs worked together was really quite nice, too. I'm an ex-band vocalist/guitarist/bassist who has started doing solo gigs. I borrowed a friend's Boomerang a couple months ago and got interested in using loops in my solo gigs. I figured I would get some beats together and sync some bass and guitar loops to them and sing a bit. Sort of a Beck (not Jeff) kind of sound. It seems pretty straightforward, but my infrequent dabbles in MIDI have taught me that things MIDI are ever quite as easy as one thinks they should be (for me anyway). I need some recommendations for gear and advice. If any of this is redundant, answered in an Hiragino Kaku Gothic ProFAQ, an archive or another site please point me in the right direction. 1)In the FAQ for the EDP, it said that the EDP could be synched to a sequencer etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for a drum machine or a sampler (I haven't decided which to go with) that could store a bunch of beats, and to which I could sync an EDP? 2)Does the EDP permit switching between several looped guitar or bass lines--could I have record a loop and call it up later on in the same tune, or is it lost as soon as I stop using it? (Eg. could I record the guitar riffs in "Mama Said" as loops, stop them when the song gets to the "But I'm always on the run . . . " bit, and start one or two of them back up after the chorus still synched to the drum track or sampled beats?--Not that I'll be covering LK) 3)If I am synching an EDP to a sequencer or sampler, what kind of foot controller should I use? Would it be possible to control a midi preamp, a g-force and the EDP with the same controller? 4)Can I have output from a vocal microphone or the sampler looped on the same EDP I use for the guitar, and treat those loops just like the others? Do I need separate EDPs for different sources? 5)Has anyone got an EDP for sale? (Please contact me off the list) Thanks, Philip --Apple-Mail-7--923978953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 07:54:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OBojd30806; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019101c489d0$84d019d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Zurrigo's comments about the offtopic offendies Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:50:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zurrigo wrote (after reading the posts below), why don't you go *** some where else? Hey Zurrigo, I don't know how long you've been on this list, but it is a list that is frequently filled with sarcasm and humor. Monica's and Bill's posts are not serious. They are decidedly off topic but this is an unmoderated list (even though Kim has been asked a few times to moderate it and he has very wisely declined to do so). Both of these people are serious contributors to the community. Bill is one of the most knowledgeable and experienced live loopers on the planet (and I don't feel in the slightest nepotistic saying this, despite the fact that he is my brother) and much can be gleaned from his postings if one is open minded. If the humor is just too off topic for you, I can appreciate it. I'd just suggest that you just delete any of the topics in this thread so that it doesn't bug you. I do this frequently with many of the threads that don't interest or even bug me. We are a really supportive and friendly community here and I think it's okay to allow for a little latitude in the postings here. It's okay to lighten up a little bit and cut folks some slack. Yours, with respect, Rick Walker aka L()()p.p()()L p.s. How's looping in Switzerland, by the way? Have you connected with the fine looper Claude Voit yet? He's incredible. Monica wrote: William: Posing is tedious. What music of real compositional aesthetic sophistocation and/or compelling primal/erotic/supernatural intensity has this man ever produced? He's a teeny-bopper corporate rock icon. Now add to that a Prince wanna-be. I'm not impressed. As an emerging guitar player myself one day I will smoke him - why? because I'm not about posing, but paying my dues and learning real technique and I'll never sell my soul for MTV but nourish it and make superior music. I won't even come on the scene for about another maybe 3 years till I've got it so tight that it hurts and more likely in the European sphere where art and not corporate excess is still the essence of music. I don't care much for retro 80s flying v's either. The guitars I'm about to produce in conjunction with 2 of the finest European guitar companies will smoke that too. Prepare... one day soon I'm gonna show everybody how it's done! Monica PS>Re: off-topic, I had assumed a discussion of a LOOP STATION was indeed relevant to looping. As was discussion of any tools relevant to enhance the music contained in those loops. I found this forum valuable for all the various technical info. I'd received in response to various ?s and at times tried to return that with info. I had. My apologies... William Walker wrote: But Monica. Lenny Kravitz is a rock star, , he is obligated to pose, and pout, and point his finger any chance he gets. It is the rock star way. When he was at Rock Star Academy (I should know, as we were roommates), Lenny graduated, tops in his class, and was named the school's "Most Rockinist " in a near unanimous decision. Ok, I did receive two sympathy votes from a couple of female tuba players, who could tell by my receding hairline, and shy demeanor that my rock star days were numbered. Count me in on the contest, or better yet don't buy at MF, and get it locally if you can. By the way, what is it about the tonebone that you like, have you tried it ? What else have you tried to compare it to? I've heard good things about their stuff but as of yet haven't had the chance to get my mits anything. is this too OT? [William Walker] -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switchbone/Loopbone I'm soon to order that Hot Brit Tonebone and just now perusing the MF catalog, I see a couple new 'Bone products that may be of interest here...Someone here was asking about switcher boxes, to combine and shift between double amps or cabs- they have both with either the Cab-Bone cabinet switcher or the ProSwitchbone amp switcher. Also now the Loopbone, a master loop controller. Check it out... However I'm most reluctant to order from MF at the moment for fear that I'll be the winner of the Meet Lenny Kravitz/free concert tix promo. This set-up of Kravitz here looking alot like an imitation of a young Prince and sitting naked in what looks like either red paint or blood with his flying v is most unappealing! If I win I'm going to hold a contest right here to pass on my creepy unwanted winnings... Cheers, Monica Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 08:37:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OCXoo05031; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:33:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:33:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:22:42 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: back to the tone bone (was to be or not...) To: zurrigo , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006201c489d6$c61ccf40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_anc1vRVG8J+SqCRFCcpbuQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <412B1BDB.2060605@mem.li> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_anc1vRVG8J+SqCRFCcpbuQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yo, Monica- It seems that while I felt Bill Walker's post was meant humorously, it got your back hairs up a bit. So be it, tho' I smell smoke from some of the other posts... But can you tell us what you like about the tonebone? Thanks, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_anc1vRVG8J+SqCRFCcpbuQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Yo, Monica-
    It seems that while I felt Bill Walker's post was meant humorously, it got your back hairs up a bit. So be it, tho' I smell smoke from some of the other posts... But can you tell us what you like about the tonebone? Thanks,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
--Boundary_(ID_anc1vRVG8J+SqCRFCcpbuQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 08:39:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OCaGh05247; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412B354F.6010208@mem.li> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:32:15 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zurrigo's comments about the offtopic offendies References: <019101c489d0$84d019d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090700000804080004090104" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------090700000804080004090104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey loop.pool and others humour and stuff: sounds good to me!!! - but reading the kravitz discussion I had the impression that monica and others were probabliy taking things and themselves too seriously - but I might have misunderstood - english being only my fourth language and as kurt vonneguth is saying in "palm sunday": in translations jokes are commonly the first things to go. anyway: i would like to apologize if I have been misunderstood trying to make fun of *** or art or the way people tend to look at it and chat about it. and i swear to loop i will try hard to keep it technical and on-topic the next time. by the way: i have been a member of the list about seven years ago and back then it sometimes happened that an off-topic discussion was turning into a philosophical one... thanx 4 your attention z www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------090700000804080004090104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey loop.pool and others

humour and stuff: sounds good to me!!! - but reading the kravitz discussion I had the impression that monica and others were probabliy taking things and themselves too seriously - but I might have misunderstood - english being only my fourth language and as kurt vonneguth is saying in "palm sunday": in translations jokes are commonly the first things to go.

anyway: i would like to apologize if I have been misunderstood trying to make fun of  *** or art or the way people tend to look at it and chat about it.

and i swear to loop i will try hard to keep it technical and on-topic the next time.

by the way: i have been a member of the list about seven years ago and back then it sometimes happened that an off-topic discussion was turning into a philosophical one...

thanx 4 your attention

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--------------090700000804080004090104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 09:41:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ODXm615763; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cb01c489de$e78f74e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: speaking of MUSIC BOXES Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:33:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Synchronistically, I just completed a piece where I took raw live footage from an improv that I did at the Berlin Live Looping Festival last summer that used toy bells (which are music box-esque, I think). I just uploaded it as an mp3 to the files section of Loopers Delight. By the way, Michael Peters just sent me an URL for a fascinating talk with Bjork about her new CD. At her website, they just had a contest for people to win one of two of the three extant music boxes that she had custom made to begin her Vespertine concert. I heard that she just appeared under a simple spotlight and played the junglish piece that she composed and then had a music box company physically make her a music box that played the composition. It's beautiful and on the Vestpertine CD. Probably the first time in pop history that an artist merely played a music box (without singing). I also heard that with older music boxes that some of the metal tines are held in by tiny screws which allows one to un screw them and rearrange them so that the rhythm of the piece stays the same but the melody is different............. allowing for a kind of 'random' but constrained 'improvisation'. Music boxes are really mechanical loopers, aren't they? I just discovered a Sesame Street jack in the box in my collection that plays 'Pop Goes the Weasel". Just last night I accidentally started turning the handle backwards and, lo and behold, I can play the piece backwards at my own speed. It sounds really beautiful and melancholy. I think I'll do a piece with it for my own 30 minute slot at the Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival on October 8th, 9th and 10th in Santa Cruz. Loopers are coming from as far away as Japan, Switzerland, Italy, Wales and possibly Germany as well as from all over the West Coast and a few brave souls flying in from the rest of the country. No details yet, but pass the word. I'll officially announce for submissions in about a week when I'm in a place to handle them............lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 10:06:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ODw0120932; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:58:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:58:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C489E2.46EB12F9" Subject: EDP MIDI Clock reception Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD70349177D@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP MIDI Clock reception Thread-Index: AcSJ4kb5tTq/U/csQOieD7AwjmS9+w== From: "Alen Cileli" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C489E2.46EB12F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying = to set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. = After following the directions to a tee (Synch =3D In, Midi out from = drum machine ---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still = had no luck.=20 I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the = external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state = of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any other ideas why I = haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI = cables...to eliminate the obvious) Thanks in advance.... also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington Vermont = area that are interested in getting together for some sonic exploration = or sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list.=20 -Alen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C489E2.46EB12F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP MIDI Clock reception

Hi everyone,
I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent = a lot of time last night trying to set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock = signal frm a Korg drum machine. After following the directions to a tee = (Synch =3D In, Midi out from drum machine ---> Midi In on EDP, drum = machine generating clock) I still had no luck.

I read in the list archive that the EDP = needs to be "in reset" while the external device sends the = clock. Is this referring to the resting state of the EDP before you = begin recording? Anyone have any other ideas why I haven't been able to = succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI cables...to eliminate the = obvious)

Thanks in advance....
also if there are any members of this = list in the Burlington Vermont area that are interested in getting = together for some sonic exploration or sharing a bill at a gig contact = me off list.

-Alen









------_=_NextPart_001_01C489E2.46EB12F9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 10:55:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OEq2C30222; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:52:28 -0400 Subject: Question about the far outlet From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your response, gary. Not sure how loud I need to be -- loud enough to be heard in the streets of NYC! Hmm, I was told that the Solo has a quarter of the staying power of the far outlet (they make a higher-priced version that's half the staying power - and weighs just 15 pounds!). So that would mean an hour or two of playing time at the most -- not so good. The solo does recharge from solar energy, tho, but not sure how effective that would be -- I'm beginning to think the best thing to do might be to get a battery-powered amp, maybe one of those crate taxis, and only use the far outlet or whatever I end up getting to power my headrush and synths -- seems logical, no? steve I got a new battery for the FO a couple of months ago--when new, the batteries last for 3-4 hours of moderately loud amplification. Last time I used it, I plugged a bass amp in, as well as the Carvin StageMate for vocals, and we played for three hours outside at Mission Bay in San Diego. It didn't run out of juice! I think amplifiers use more electricity than outboard gear--and although the StageMate was plugged in, it is also battery powered, with some sort of internal switching, so that may have helped save juice. Steve, how loud do you want/need to be? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 11:02:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OEp0g30002; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:51:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:51:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <158.3d297137.2e5cafa3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:50:11 EDT Subject: Re: speaking of MUSIC BOXES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also worth checking out is John Morton and his album "Outlier". He uses hacked music boxes. As he says, not your grandmother's music box. There are some samples here: http://www.emusic.com/cd/10753/10753171.html His album is at: http://innova.mu http://innova.mu/artist1.asp?skuID=178#onesheet cheers BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 11:52:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OFncJ08537; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:49:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:49:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <158.3d297137.2e5cafa3@aol.com> References: <158.3d297137.2e5cafa3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:38:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: speaking of MUSIC BOXES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1118759957==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1118759957==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:50 AM -0400 8/24/04, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >Also worth checking out is John Morton and his album "Outlier". >He uses hacked music boxes. Also hear Erling Wold's 1987 suite for music box, on his "Music of Love" CD. http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/12_mol_heaven.mp3 http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/09_mol_arahemat.mp3 http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/07_mol_playdo.mp3 http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/04_mol_demon.mp3 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1118759957==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: speaking of MUSIC BOXES
At 10:50 AM -0400 8/24/04, Aptrev@aol.com wrote:
Also worth checking out is John Morton and his album "Outlier".
He uses hacked music boxes.

Also hear Erling Wold's 1987 suite for music box, on his "Music of Love" CD.


http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/12_mol_heaven.mp3

http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/09_mol_arahemat.mp3

http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/07_mol_playdo.mp3

http://www.erlingwold.com/works/mol/04_mol_demon.mp3


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--============_-1118759957==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 12:54:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OGpr023582; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:46:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Ibanez AD-80 delay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling this pedal for a friend. This is the original double 9VT battery super sweet vinage analog delay. Truth be told this IS my favorite delay pedal ever, If I could afford it I'd buy it myself. This one is 100% working with the battery cover, clean inside and out. It sounds absolutely fantasitic. Cosmetically it's got a few scratches in the paint but knobs are excellent, silver sqaure button works great, and logo, legending, etc is excellent. If you've ever wanted a good looking player AD80 this is it. Picutres of actual pedal are up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/ad80.htm Asking $175 which I think is very reasonable for this pedal in this condition. If you think otherwise and have a serious offer let me know and I'll poass it on to the owner. Anything too silly as I'll just throw it up on the net at large or let the autcion twits try it (which I'd rather not do quite frankly). A simple painless sale (especially since I don't make a $%##@ dime on this) is preferable to send your # to speed things up. of course if you have any questions let me know and I'll be glad to do my best to answer them. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 14:42:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OIdUm15708; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040824183730.10335.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Musique concrete revisited... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard good things about Arius Blaze, the circuit-bending artist who created this and other circuit-bent instruments. Paolo --- Mark Landman wrote: > Sounds like the Magnatron- > > http://audible-ism.com/soundart/magna/tapefield.html > > Best- > > Mark > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 15:57:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OJokZ32295; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040824110109.012bdbd8@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:45:26 -0700 To: American Composers Forum - SF From: Tom Heasley Subject: BBC performance/interview this Friday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_238586828==_.ALT" X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd48cf3aba6ead553a0898bba6de00df08658498dd5c8d2f0fb0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.165.71 Resent-Message-ID: <0-iKnC.A.x2H.qv5KBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_238586828==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello: I recently recorded new music and an interview for the BBC in London. Have a listen on the web, if you like. The program, 'Mixing It', will air this Friday, August 27, 10 PM London time (2 PM PST). CLICK to connect and listen to BBC Radio 3, the UK's leading cultural broadcaster - including live classical, jazz, world music and drama: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ Best, Tom Heasley (If you'd prefer not to receive these occasional announcements, please hit reply and say whatever you'd like). "Tom's music lends itself to evoking deep meditative states of awareness." - Ramon Sender, Composer, Co-Founder San Francisco Tape Music Center "In this time of great international upheaval it is essential to locate havens of peace and introspection. Tom Heasley's efforts have provided a much-needed source of tranquility and serenity." - David Spies, Marian College "Finally, some brave soul in the tuba...euphonium world has entered the ambient/experimental realm familiar to fans of trombonist Stuart Dempster and acclaimed accordionist Pauline Oliveros. Kudos to Tom Heasley, who has clearly expanded the harmonic and sonic horizons of the tuba." - ITEA Journal "i love Tom's music; if you don't go to hear him whenya can, well.....your loss!" - david torn/splattercell tomheasley.com --=====================_238586828==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello:

I recently recorded new music and an interview for the BBC in London.  Have a listen on the web, if you like.  The program, 'Mixing It', will air this Friday, August 27, 10 PM London time (2 PM PST). 

CLICK to connect and listen to BBC Radio 3, the UK's leading cultural broadcaster - including live classical, jazz, world music and drama: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/

Best,

Tom Heasley

(If you'd prefer not to receive these occasional announcements, please hit reply and say whatever you'd like).  

"Tom's music lends itself to evoking deep meditative states of awareness." - Ramon Sender, Composer, Co-Founder San Francisco Tape Music Center

"In this time of great international upheaval it is essential to locate havens of peace and introspection.  Tom Heasley's efforts have provided a much-needed source of tranquility and serenity." - David Spies, Marian College

"Finally, some brave soul in the tuba...euphonium world has entered the ambient/experimental realm familiar to fans of trombonist Stuart Dempster and acclaimed accordionist Pauline Oliveros.  Kudos to Tom Heasley, who has clearly expanded the harmonic and sonic horizons of the tuba." - ITEA Journal

"i love Tom's music; if you don't go to hear him whenya can, well.....your loss!" - david torn/splattercell

tomheasley.com
 --=====================_238586828==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 16:09:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OK5N803509; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FW: [repeater-users] Electrix coming back? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:05:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just passing on the rumor -----Original Message----- From: Peter Toms [mailto:ptoms@condor-electronics.com] Sent: Dienstag, 24. August 2004 20:27 To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [repeater-users] Electrix coming back? It's true. Details to come..... it's been bought by someone new. Peter Toms From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 17:50:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OLhkJ22365; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040824110109.012bdbd8@pop.earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040824110109.012bdbd8@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B87262F-F616-11D8-9637-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: BBC performance/interview this Friday Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:41:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aug 24, 2004 kl. 21:45 skrev Tom Heasley: > > CLICK to connect and listen to BBC Radio 3, the UK's leading cultural > broadcaster - including live classical, jazz, world music and drama: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ Excellent! Thanks for the hint! This finally had me track down and download a Real Player for OS X. I like Tom's music very much. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 18:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OMT8430805; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c48a27$d59e8570$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: (blank) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:15:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C489FD.E826BAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C489FD.E826BAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to give my $0.02 on Philip's questions, since I can answer = most of them, and also in direct protest of the fact that I posted a = clear and simple set of questions re: the separation and amplification = of "bass register" signals in a looping guitar rig, and have gotten = basically *1* semi-related response. (THANKS David Kirkdorffer!!!)This = list used to be a great place to float questions around the kind of = technical issues that we loopers face. Seems like there's either a lot = of noise, a lot of spam, or a lot of "taking" but not as much "giving" = as there used to be. Change the world by changing one person at a time, starting with = yourself, right? :) Comments below, Philip! Doug I figured I would get some beats together and sync some bass and = guitar loops to them and sing a bit. Sort of a Beck (not Jeff) kind of = sound. It seems pretty straightforward, but my infrequent dabbles in = MIDI have taught me that things MIDI are ever quite as easy as one = thinks they should be (for me anyway). I need some recommendations for = gear and advice. If any of this is redundant, answered in an FAQ, an = archive or another site please point me in the right direction. I love Beck! I'm working in a duo right now (just me and a = percussionist, using and SPD-S and a Repeater), and we're working on = originals that feel/sound a lot like Beck and/or Soul Coughing. I'm = psyched! 1)In the FAQ for the EDP, it said that the EDP could be synched to a = sequencer etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for a drum machine = or a sampler (I haven't decided which to go with) that could store a = bunch of beats, and to which I could sync an EDP? Of course, this depends greatly on what you want to accomplish. In a = general sense, any sampler/drum machine that can either send MIDI CLOCK = out (if you want the EDP to "slave" to that device) and/or accept MIDI = CLOCK in (if you want the device to slave to your EDP loops). As you = might guess, I've replaced various rhythm machines I've used with a = real, live friend who plays drums (and captures them in a Repeater). = He's our "clock master". He sets the base loop times by locking in a = base loop to drive the songs. You might look at the Electribe-ER1. I loved that drum machine while = I owned one. Very versatile (and Beck-ish) tones out of it, and it = synchs to MIDI or sends out MIDI clock, either way you want. It does = NOT do traditional drum kit sounds, though - so demo one before you buy. 2)Does the EDP permit switching between several looped guitar or bass = lines--could I have record a loop and call it up later on in the same = tune, or is it lost as soon as I stop using it? (Eg. could I record the = guitar riffs in "Mama Said" as loops, stop them when the song gets to = the "But I'm always on the run . . . " bit, and start one or two of them = back up after the chorus still synched to the drum track or sampled = beats?--Not that I'll be covering LK) Yes, this is one of the fundamental features of the EDP. You can = divide your available seconds of loop time (driven by how much RAM is = installed in the EDP) into multiple loops, and switch between them. = Using SwitchQuantize, you can have the loops switch only at loop or = cycle boundaries, so you can have your loops switch "in time" with the = beat, but not have to hit the NextLoop button at precisely the right = time. 3)If I am synching an EDP to a sequencer or sampler, what kind of foot = controller should I use? Would it be possible to control a midi preamp, = a g-force and the EDP with the same controller? You want a good MIDI foot controller. Yes, a good one will control = all those units (and more). I shouldn't give advice here, since I use = the Behringer FCB1010, and many consider it a "budget" foot controller. = But, it manages to control my 2 EDPs, a Roland GP-100 preamp/multifx = unit, and a G-Major (sometimes). With the G-Force, you may want = something more full featured though. The FCB1010 might be considered = the low end, and you might look at the Ground Control Pro as a more = expensive, full featured solution. There are other recommendations in = the archives. Search for "foot controller" or "footcontroller" in the = list archives. 4)Can I have output from a vocal microphone or the sampler looped on = the same EDP I use for the guitar, and treat those loops just like the = others? Do I need separate EDPs for different sources? Yes, you can. The EDP has a good dynamic range, and you can loop any = sound source with it, and not lose sound quality. The issue becomes = what you use to amplify the resulting signal. If you're looping your = guitar tone (from a preamp) AND voice, you have these two different = signals which aren't properly amplified by a single device. Through a = guitar amp, the guitar would sound good, but the vox would suck. = Through a full range speaker, the opposite would probably be true. =20 Some people use guitar "modelers", and loop the guitar signal *AFTER* = the preamp and poweramp/speaker simulation. In that case, the guitar = singal and the vocal signal WOULD sound ok through full range speakers, = since the guitar is already "modeled" through guitar speakers, and won't = sound shrill and flat through the full range speakers. In the duo I'm working on, I use my EDPs solely for guitar (including = my "bass range" stuff, resulting from either pitch shifted guitar, or = 1/2 speed octave-down loops), and amplify them through a traditional = guitar amp. This was the root of my questions earlier this week. I'm = interested in how others do this, without muddying their guitar amp = singal with "bass range" sounds. We use the Repeater to loop the SDP-S = (drums) and vocals, and amplify that with full range PA speakers. 5)Has anyone got an EDP for sale? (Please contact me off the list) That's where I can't help you. They will pry my EDPs from my cold, = dead hands some day (if they're lucky!!!!) Thanks, Philip ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C489FD.E826BAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm going to give my $0.02 on Philip's = questions,=20 since I can answer most of them, and also in direct protest of the fact = that I=20 posted a clear and simple set of questions re: the separation and = amplification=20 of "bass register" signals in a looping guitar rig, and have gotten = basically=20 *1* semi-related response.  (THANKS David Kirkdorffer!!!)This list = used to=20 be a great place to float questions around the kind of technical issues = that we=20 loopers face.  Seems like there's either a lot of noise, a lot of = spam, or=20 a lot of "taking" but not as much "giving" as there used to = be.
 
Change the world by changing one person = at a time,=20 starting with yourself, right? :)
 
Comments below, Philip!
 
Doug
I figured I would get some beats = together and=20 sync some bass and guitar loops to them and sing a bit. Sort of a Beck = (not=20 Jeff) kind of sound. It seems pretty straightforward, but my = infrequent=20 dabbles in MIDI have taught me that things MIDI are ever quite as easy = as one=20 thinks they should be (for me anyway). I need some recommendations for = gear=20 and advice. If any of this is redundant, answered in an = FAQ, an = archive or=20 another site please point me in the right direction.
 
I love Beck!  I'm working in a = duo right now=20 (just me and a percussionist, using and SPD-S and a Repeater), and = we're=20 working on originals that feel/sound a lot like Beck and/or Soul=20 Coughing.  I'm psyched!

1)In the FAQ for the EDP, = it said=20 that the EDP could be synched to a sequencer etc. Does anyone have any = recommendations for a drum machine or a sampler (I haven't decided = which to go=20 with) that could store a bunch of beats, and to which I could sync an=20 EDP?
 
Of course, this depends greatly on = what you want=20 to accomplish.  In a general sense, any sampler/drum machine that = can=20 either send MIDI CLOCK out (if you want the EDP to "slave" to that = device)=20 and/or accept MIDI CLOCK in (if you want the device to slave to your = EDP=20 loops).  As you might guess, I've replaced various rhythm = machines I've=20 used with a real, live friend who plays drums (and captures them in a=20 Repeater).  He's our "clock master".  He sets the base loop = times by=20 locking in a base loop to drive the songs.
You might look at the Electribe-ER1.  I = loved that drum=20 machine while I owned one.  Very versatile (and Beck-ish) tones = out of=20 it, and it synchs to MIDI or sends out MIDI clock, either way you = want. =20 It does NOT do traditional drum kit sounds, though - so demo one = before you=20 buy.


2)Does the EDP permit switching between several looped = guitar or=20 bass lines--could I have record a loop and call it up later on in the = same=20 tune, or is it lost as soon as I stop using it? (Eg. could I record = the guitar=20 riffs in "Mama Said" as loops, stop them when the song gets to the = "But I'm=20 always on the run . . . " bit, and start one or two of them back up = after the=20 chorus still synched to the drum track or sampled beats?--Not that = I'll be=20 covering LK)
 
Yes, this is one of the fundamental = features of=20 the EDP.  You can divide your available seconds of loop time = (driven by=20 how much RAM is installed in the EDP) into multiple loops, and switch = between=20 them.  Using SwitchQuantize, you can have the loops switch only = at loop=20 or cycle boundaries, so you can have your loops switch "in time" with = the=20 beat, but not have to hit the NextLoop button at precisely the right=20 time.

3)If I am synching an EDP to a sequencer or = sampler, what=20 kind of foot controller should I use? Would it be possible to control = a midi=20 preamp, a g-force and the EDP with the same controller?
You want a good MIDI foot = controller.  Yes,=20 a good one will control all those units (and more).  I shouldn't = give=20 advice here, since I use the Behringer FCB1010, and many consider it a = "budget" foot controller.  But, it manages to control my 2 EDPs, = a Roland=20 GP-100 preamp/multifx unit, and a G-Major (sometimes).  With the = G-Force,=20 you may want something more full featured though.  The FCB1010 = might be=20 considered the low end, and you might look at the Ground Control Pro = as a more=20 expensive, full featured solution.  There are other = recommendations=20 in the archives.  Search for "foot controller" or = "footcontroller" in the=20 list archives.

4)Can I have output from a vocal microphone or the sampler = looped on=20 the same EDP I use for the guitar, and treat those loops just like the = others?=20 Do I need separate EDPs for different sources?
 
Yes, you can.  The EDP has a = good dynamic=20 range, and you can loop any sound source with it, and not lose sound=20 quality.  The issue becomes what you use to amplify the resulting = signal.  If you're looping your guitar tone (from a preamp) AND = voice,=20 you have these two different signals which aren't properly amplified = by a=20 single device.  Through a guitar amp, the guitar would sound = good, but=20 the vox would suck.  Through a full range speaker, the opposite = would=20 probably be true. 
Some people use guitar "modelers", = and loop the=20 guitar signal *AFTER* the preamp and poweramp/speaker = simulation.  In=20 that case, the guitar singal and the vocal signal WOULD sound ok = through full=20 range speakers, since the guitar is already "modeled" through guitar = speakers,=20 and won't sound shrill and flat through the full range = speakers.
 
In the duo I'm working on, I use my = EDPs solely=20 for guitar (including my "bass range" stuff, resulting from either = pitch=20 shifted guitar, or 1/2 speed octave-down loops), and amplify them = through a=20 traditional guitar amp.  This was the root of my questions = earlier this=20 week.  I'm interested in how others do this, without muddying = their=20 guitar amp singal with "bass range" sounds.  We use the Repeater = to loop=20 the SDP-S (drums) and vocals, and amplify that with full range PA=20 speakers.

5)Has anyone got an EDP for sale? (Please contact me off the=20 list)
 
That's where I can't help you.  = They will=20 pry my EDPs from my cold, dead hands some day (if they're=20 = lucky!!!!)

Thanks,

Philip


------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C489FD.E826BAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 18:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OMVab31397; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040824223001.57731.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: offtopicalia! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <412B354F.6010208@mem.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1368347933-1093386601=:57540" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1368347933-1093386601=:57540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No, the Kravitz thing was pretty much a farce and just another public service on my part to alert people against delving further into bad aestheticism wherever I may personally find it.But if I do win the Meet Lenny Kravitz contest, I will indeed hold my own giveaway here, unless someone deletes me off. It will be some kind of crazy-ass contest where the most absurd participant will get the tickets. And save me the sheer cultural agony of being subjected to Mr. Kravitz' music or ego and Mr. Kravitz the unwelcome journey into Monica madness and non-groupie non-adulation and my talent for taking people in life-altering places they don't want to go which he will not be getting paid enough for. Now the ToneBone...In response to that inquiry...I've not yet gotten my hands on this thing yet, but heard some cool samples and then many many many many raving recommendations from people online and off. What's innovative about it is something called "tone sculpting" which adds 5 controls that lets you take your usual distortion and overdrive - either or combo- and morph the sound through a much wider spectrum of tone. So...definitely I want to check this out! Lastly....someone please explain what *** is. Is everybody doing it? Maybe I'm ***ing and don't even know it? Cheers, Monica zurrigo wrote: hey loop.pool and others humour and stuff: sounds good to me!!! - but reading the kravitz discussion I had the impression that monica and others were probabliy taking things and themselves too seriously - but I might have misunderstood - english being only my fourth language and as kurt vonneguth is saying in "palm sunday": in translations jokes are commonly the first things to go. anyway: i would like to apologize if I have been misunderstood trying to make fun of *** or art or the way people tend to look at it and chat about it. and i swear to loop i will try hard to keep it technical and on-topic the next time. by the way: i have been a member of the list about seven years ago and back then it sometimes happened that an off-topic discussion was turning into a philosophical one... thanx 4 your attention z www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-1368347933-1093386601=:57540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
No, the Kravitz thing was pretty much a farce and just another public service on my part to alert people against delving further into bad aestheticism wherever I may personally find it.But if I do win the Meet Lenny Kravitz contest, I will indeed hold my own giveaway here, unless someone deletes me off. It will be some kind of crazy-ass contest where the most absurd participant will get the tickets. And save me the sheer cultural agony of being subjected to Mr. Kravitz' music or ego and Mr. Kravitz the unwelcome journey into Monica madness and non-groupie non-adulation and my talent for taking people in life-altering places they don't want to go which he will not be getting paid enough for.
    Now the ToneBone...In response to that inquiry...I've not yet gotten my hands on
this thing yet, but heard some cool samples and then many many many many raving recommendations from people online and off. What's innovative about it is something called "tone sculpting" which adds 5 controls that lets you take your usual distortion and overdrive - either or combo- and morph the sound through a much wider spectrum of tone. So...definitely I want to check this out!
    Lastly....someone please explain what *** is. Is everybody doing it?                  Maybe I'm ***ing and don't even know it?
 
Cheers,
Monica

zurrigo <zurrigo@mem.li> wrote:
hey loop.pool and others

humour and stuff: sounds good to me!!! - but reading the kravitz discussion I had the impression that monica and others were probabliy taking things and themselves too seriously - but I might have misunderstood - english being only my fourth language and as kurt vonneguth is saying in "palm sunday": in translations jokes are commonly the first things to go.

anyway: i would like to apologize if I have been misunderstood trying to make fun of  *** or art or the way people tend to look at it and chat about it.

and i swear to loop i will try hard to keep it technical and on-topic the next time.

by the way: i have been a member of the list about seven years ago and back then it sometimes happened that an off-topic discussion was turning into a philosophical one...

thanx 4 your attention

z



www.mem.li - mus.iq

altenbergstrasse 55

3013 bern - schweiz

fonfax 031 33 246 44


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Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-1368347933-1093386601=:57540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 18:53:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7OMnrZ01904; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:49:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040824223001.57731.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040824223001.57731.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: offtopicalia! Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:49:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 24, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Monica wrote: > No, the Kravitz thing was pretty much a farce i'm going to preface this by saying i actually like quite a bit of what Lenny does. i also think his Hammond organ is sweet with the red tuck'n'roll vinyl padding. also, Sean Combs is a very hard worker and i respect that. however, both of them do some terrible things musically. anyway, here goes: Did anyone see the Puff Daddy video so bad Lenny Kravitz was in it? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 24 19:16:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7ONCi207843; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <79.31cf3136.2e5d253e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:11:58 EDT Subject: FS: EH 16 second delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_79.31cf3136.2e5d253e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_79.31cf3136.2e5d253e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I have a new EH 16 second delay reissue for sale. I took it out once only to check it out, but since I have an EDP now I'm going to let it go. email me directly if interested Dave --part1_79.31cf3136.2e5d253e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!

I have a new EH 16 second delay reissue for sale.
I took it out once only to check it out, but since I have an EDP now I'm goi= ng to let it go.

email me directly if interested

Dave --part1_79.31cf3136.2e5d253e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 02:26:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7P6NwV17180; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: BBC performance/interview this Friday Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:23:21 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040824110109.012bdbd8@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:16:55 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.236.214 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Tom Heasley [mailto:tom@tomheasley.com] > I recently recorded new music and an interview for the BBC in London. Have a listen on the web, if you like. The program, 'Mixing It', will air this Friday congratulations Tom. Mixing It is my favorite new music program. For all those with a love for adventurous music, this is a highly recommended radio show, and the best thing is, they put it online after the show has been broadcast and you can then listen to it in good quality. Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml and click the Mixing It loudspeaker symbol to listen. The current show (online until this Friday) contains the exclusive Bjork interview that Rick wrote about - an interesting listen is guaranteed. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 03:14:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7P7CR023497; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:12:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c48a72$cf706150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Electrix coming back? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:11:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C48A38.22E437C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C48A38.22E437C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, that just gave me a looping woody!!!!! =20 Temperamental as it is, I adore my Repeater! R. Peter Toms wrote: "It's true. Details to come..... it's been bought by someone new. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C48A38.22E437C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow,  that just gave me a looping=20 woody!!!!!     
 
Temperamental as it is,  I adore my=20 Repeater!
 
R.
 
 
 
 
 
Peter Toms wrote:

"It's = true.=20 Details to come..... it's been bought by someone=20 new.
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C48A38.22E437C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 07:11:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PB8rY01387; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: offtopicalia! Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:08:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSKLMayGVxhovbuR/CgbpaegAjrBAAZW/PA Message-ID: <1093432105.28119@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7PB8Ph01321 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too like Lenny Kravitz. You must be very young and naïve to believe that. I personally think Lenny is a good songwriter. I think musicians are of different threads, and that doesn't make any better or worse. Being on the radio and making millions doesn't make one a sellout. In fact, it is quite a talent in and of itself to make music that has mass appeal. And it takes even more talent and business savvy to still be popular as many years as he has been. When he first got huge in the late 80's, hairbands were all the rage (like poison, motley crue, great white, and the like). He didn't jump on that bandwagon did he? No. Also, in the 90's - when everyone was grungy and depressing, did he jump on that bandwagon? No! He put out a Hendrixy "Are You Gonna Go My Way". That same trend has continued in his career. You have to play what comes from your heart, and then market it appropriately. For instance: Certain people's music gravitates toward certain markets. I remember the guys from Weezer saying the reason they went with a major label was because their music had a "major label sound" and commercial appeal. If they didn't have that sound and had a sound more like Wilco, or Built To Spill, they would have gone with a smaller label and built up loyalty through relentless touring. My point is: either route they (Weezer) went - the music they made was genuine. They weren't going to stifle their creativity because the music "sounded too commercial". That music is what came out of them - and so that is what they put down on Tape (or disk or whatever). They marketed to that commercial audience - and the result? They made millions making the catchy music they love to make. I personally love flashy rock concerts with good songs and musicianship. After the grunge of the 90's I am sooo tired of people staring at the floor and being "real" (supposedly) and serious. I don't want to go to rock shows to get educated (usually) or get bummed out (never). I want to have fun and be engaged by the performer. (But Lenny does have a huge ego - according to reports.) Thanks, DM -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: offtopicalia! On Aug 24, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Monica wrote: > No, the Kravitz thing was pretty much a farce i'm going to preface this by saying i actually like quite a bit of what Lenny does. i also think his Hammond organ is sweet with the red tuck'n'roll vinyl padding. also, Sean Combs is a very hard worker and i respect that. however, both of them do some terrible things musically. anyway, here goes: Did anyone see the Puff Daddy video so bad Lenny Kravitz was in it? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 08:22:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PCJf819356; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:19:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:19:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1093432105.28119@mx64a.mysite4now.com> References: <1093432105.28119@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: offtopicalia! Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:18:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Aug 24, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Monica wrote: >> No, the Kravitz thing was pretty much a farce > From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > i'm going to preface this by saying i actually like quite a bit of what > Lenny does. On Aug 25, 2004, at 13:08, Don Makoviney wrote: > I too like Lenny Kravitz. (snipping referred posts to save some bandwidth) I like his stuff too - both the music and the image/styling/posing. As long as you know that he borrowed most of it from Hendrix you don't need to have a problem with THAT. First time I heard Kravitz I remember thinking "Wow, at last someone that bothers to re-do the Jimi thing and cares to do it well". All music doesn't have to be 100 percent original IMHO, especially in a style that is as much about attitude as about moving air. Of course Hendrix borrowed a lot from John Lee Hooker and others (remember my chock when I find out about that, hearing my first Hooker record) but he took it to a different level by using that guitar sound and blues feel in a pop song context (as Kravitz picked up). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 08:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PCqu730535; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004501c48a27$d59e8570$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <004501c48a27$d59e8570$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8AEEF6B4-F695-11D8-921D-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: drop_d Subject: Re: (blank) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:51:54 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Doug, your answers were very helpful. It looks like the EDP is definitely the way to go.The Electribe looks interesting. But there is an MPC 2000xl-FD(that someone has for just under USD500--seems like a steal). Will I be off topic asking for sampler recommendations? Are certain machines more or less suited for the job? Philip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 10:22:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PEKCn29174; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: flirts@mail1.wn.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:21:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Arterton Subject: echoplex to workstation distortion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <47WAvC.A.OEH.3_JLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a bit of a techno-novice. My Roland VS-880 Workstation asks what the sampling rate of the incoming device (Echoplex) is and I can't find this in the manual. I wonder if this could be causing the mid-range overloaded sound I get when I record from the EDP. I do live performance of multi-layered of solo vocals. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 10:39:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PEb7e00617; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <20CA8FE5-F6A4-11D8-8C97-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: echoplex to workstation distortion Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:36:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <4LEpF.A.pF.rPKLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aug 25, 2004 kl. 16:21 skrev Jon Arterton: > I'm a bit of a techno-novice. My Roland VS-880 Workstation asks what > the sampling rate of the incoming device (Echoplex) is and I can't > find this in the manual. I wonder if this could be causing the > mid-range overloaded sound I get when I record from the EDP. I do live > performance of multi-layered of solo vocals. When you're recording your "live performance of multi-layered of solo vocals" from the EDP into the VS-880 the signal output from your EDP is analogue. Sampling rate does only matter when connecting devices digitally or moving recorded audio files between devices. The "mid-range overloaded sound" might be an issue of non compatible strengths (I'm no tech wiz either) of the analogue signal. The two common standards are +4db and -20db. Just a wild guess... you should do a quick check by the manuals. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 11:48:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PFkaE24902; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:46:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:46:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Peoria IL USA gig post: the Suit & Tie Guy Band Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:45:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com advance apologies to those who may have already read this five or six times: the Suit & Tie Guy Band presents the Guitar Center Pre-Grand Opening Party After Party NO INVITATION REQUIRED! at the Red Barn, at Glen & Sheridan in Peoria IL USA. 9pm to 12.30am. featuring: THE RETURN OF THE VOCODER! and featuring: THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SEQUENCER! and also featuring: NO GUITARS! NEEDED: a volunteer house for "the Guitar Center Pre-Grand Opening Party After Party After Party" --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 11:59:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PFoud26296; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:50:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:50:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: flirts@mail1.wn.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20CA8FE5-F6A4-11D8-8C97-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <20CA8FE5-F6A4-11D8-8C97-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:52:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Arterton Subject: Re: echoplex to workstation distortion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thank you so very much! Jon >Aug 25, 2004 kl. 16:21 skrev Jon Arterton: > >>I'm a bit of a techno-novice. My Roland VS-880 Workstation asks >>what the sampling rate of the incoming device (Echoplex) is and I >>can't find this in the manual. I wonder if this could be causing >>the mid-range overloaded sound I get when I record from the EDP. I >>do live performance of multi-layered of solo vocals. > > >When you're recording your "live performance of multi-layered of >solo vocals" from the EDP into the VS-880 the signal output from >your EDP is analogue. Sampling rate does only matter when connecting >devices digitally or moving recorded audio files between devices. >The "mid-range overloaded sound" might be an issue of non compatible >strengths (I'm no tech wiz either) of the analogue signal. The two >common standards are +4db and -20db. Just a wild guess... you should >do a quick check by the manuals. > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.boysen.se >http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 12:38:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PGZTQ04850; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040825092947.02e5e2a8@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:35:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: RE: BBC performance/interview this Friday In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040824110109.012bdbd8@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_313574000==_.ALT" X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd48baf2c40b374b36465440c4a33ad4ce1ba7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.159.96 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_313574000==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cool. Thanks, Michael. It really is a great program, isn't it? Truly eclectic. I hesitated to post, as I haven't been much of a list member since moving to LA last year. Best, Tom At 08:23 AM 8/25/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > From: Tom Heasley [mailto:tom@tomheasley.com] > > I recently recorded new music and an interview for the BBC in London. >Have a listen on the web, if you like. The program, 'Mixing It', will air >this Friday > > >congratulations Tom. Mixing It is my favorite new music program. For all >those with a love for adventurous music, this is a highly recommended radio >show, and the best thing is, they put it online after the show has been >broadcast and you can then listen to it in good quality. Go to >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml and click the Mixing It >loudspeaker symbol to listen. The current show (online until this Friday) >contains the exclusive Bjork interview that Rick wrote about - an >interesting listen is guaranteed. > > >-Michael >www.michaelpeters.de --=====================_313574000==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Cool.  Thanks, Michael.  It really is a great program, isn't it?  Truly eclectic.  I hesitated to post, as I haven't been much of a list member since moving to LA last year.  Best, Tom

At 08:23 AM 8/25/2004 +0200, you wrote:
> From: Tom Heasley [mailto:tom@tomheasley.com]
> I recently recorded new music and an interview for the BBC in London.
Have a listen on the web, if you like.  The program, 'Mixing It', will air
this Friday


congratulations Tom. Mixing It is my favorite new music program. For all
those with a love for adventurous music, this is a highly recommended radio
show, and the best thing is, they put it online after the show has been
broadcast and you can then listen to it in good quality. Go to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml and click the Mixing It
loudspeaker symbol to listen. The current show (online until this Friday)
contains the exclusive Bjork interview that Rick wrote about - an
interesting listen is guaranteed.


-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de
--=====================_313574000==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 12:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PGXCr03880; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408251632.i7PGWWh03407@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:32:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C48A9F.9E3DCD20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD70349177D@bioebe.biotek.com> Thread-Index: AcSJ4kb5tTq/U/csQOieD7AwjmS9+wACbosg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C48A9F.9E3DCD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the parameters did you alter the Source # from it's default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg but, haven't used it much lately _____ From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP MIDI Clock reception Hi everyone, I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After following the directions to a tee (Synch = In, Midi out from drum machine ---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any other ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI cables...to eliminate the obvious) Thanks in advance.... also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington Vermont area that are interested in getting together for some sonic exploration or sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list. -Alen ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C48A9F.9E3DCD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP MIDI Clock reception
In the parameters did you alter the Source # = from it's=20 default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg = but,=20 haven't used it much lately
 

From: Alen Cileli = [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP MIDI Clock=20 reception

Hi everyone,
I'm a=20 relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to set = up the=20 EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After = following the=20 directions to a tee (Synch =3D In, Midi out from drum machine ---> = Midi In on=20 EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck.

I read in the list archive that the EDP = needs to be=20 "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this referring = to the=20 resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any = other ideas=20 why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI = cables...to eliminate the obvious)

Thanks in advance....
also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington = Vermont area=20 that are interested in getting together for some sonic exploration or = sharing a=20 bill at a gig contact me off list.

-Alen=20









------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C48A9F.9E3DCD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 13:16:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PH7D313113; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48AC5.AE039D94" Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD703491793@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP MIDI Clock reception Thread-Index: AcSJ4kb5tTq/U/csQOieD7AwjmS9+wACbosgADY4PzA= From: "Alen Cileli" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48AC5.AE039D94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the response. I dont believe I changed it...I will look into it though. I think the = default source # was 36.=20 (I've never really messed around with MIDI before...so I'm a bit of a = moron in that respect) =20 -Alen -----Original Message----- From: AK [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception In the parameters did you alter the Source # from it's default? that = caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg but, haven't = used it much lately =20 _____ =20 From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP MIDI Clock reception Hi everyone,=20 I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying = to set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. = After following the directions to a tee (Synch =3D In, Midi out from = drum machine ---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still = had no luck.=20 I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the = external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state = of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any other ideas why I = haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI = cables...to eliminate the obvious) Thanks in advance....=20 also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington Vermont = area that are interested in getting together for some sonic exploration = or sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list.=20 -Alen=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48AC5.AE039D94 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP MIDI Clock reception
Thanks=20 for the response.
I dont=20 believe I changed it...I will look into it though. I think the default = source #=20  was 36.
(I've=20 never really messed around with MIDI before...so I'm a bit of a moron in = that=20 respect)
 
-Alen
-----Original Message-----
From: AK=20 [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, = 2004 12:33=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 EDP MIDI Clock reception

In the parameters did you alter the Source # = from it's=20 default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg = but,=20 haven't used it much lately
 

From: Alen Cileli = [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP MIDI Clock=20 reception

Hi everyone,
I'm=20 a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to = set up=20 the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After = following=20 the directions to a tee (Synch =3D In, Midi out from drum machine = ---> Midi=20 In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. =

I read in the list archive that the EDP = needs to be=20 "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this = referring to the=20 resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any = other=20 ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried = multiple MIDI=20 cables...to eliminate the obvious)

Thanks in advance....
also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington = Vermont=20 area that are interested in getting together for some sonic = exploration or=20 sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list.

-Alen=20









------_=_NextPart_001_01C48AC5.AE039D94-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 13:45:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PHb8B18900; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408251735.i7PHZah18463@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:35:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C48AA8.6DAE6120" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD703491793@bioebe.biotek.com> Thread-Index: AcSJ4kb5tTq/U/csQOieD7AwjmS9+wACbosgADY4PzAAATEBgA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C48AA8.6DAE6120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah it can get tricky but, stick with it you will get it sorted I got mine to work my problem had to do with changing the Source # that might not be yours? _____ From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Thanks for the response. I dont believe I changed it...I will look into it though. I think the default source # was 36. (I've never really messed around with MIDI before...so I'm a bit of a moron in that respect) -Alen -----Original Message----- From: AK [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception In the parameters did you alter the Source # from it's default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg but, haven't used it much lately _____ From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP MIDI Clock reception Hi everyone, I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After following the directions to a tee (Synch = In, Midi out from drum machine ---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any other ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI cables...to eliminate the obvious) Thanks in advance.... also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington Vermont area that are interested in getting together for some sonic exploration or sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list. -Alen ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C48AA8.6DAE6120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP MIDI Clock reception
Yeah it can get tricky but, stick with it you = will get it=20 sorted I got mine to work my problem had to do with changing the Source = # that=20 might not be yours?
 
 

From: Alen Cileli = [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:05 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: EDP MIDI = Clock=20 reception

Thanks=20 for the response.
I dont=20 believe I changed it...I will look into it though. I think the default = source #=20  was 36.
(I've=20 never really messed around with MIDI before...so I'm a bit of a moron in = that=20 respect)
 
-Alen
-----Original Message-----
From: AK=20 [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, = 2004 12:33=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 EDP MIDI Clock reception

In the parameters did you alter the Source # = from it's=20 default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg = but,=20 haven't used it much lately
 

From: Alen Cileli = [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP MIDI Clock=20 reception

Hi everyone,
I'm=20 a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to = set up=20 the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After = following=20 the directions to a tee (Synch =3D In, Midi out from drum machine = ---> Midi=20 In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. =

I read in the list archive that the EDP = needs to be=20 "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this = referring to the=20 resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any = other=20 ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried = multiple MIDI=20 cables...to eliminate the obvious)

Thanks in advance....
also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington = Vermont=20 area that are interested in getting together for some sonic = exploration or=20 sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list.

-Alen=20









------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C48AA8.6DAE6120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 13:48:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PHkis21002; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200408251745.i7PHjDh20425@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "AK" To: Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:45:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48AA9.C53A3990" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD703491793@bioebe.biotek.com> Thread-Index: AcSJ4kb5tTq/U/csQOieD7AwjmS9+wACbosgADY4PzAAAWaOsA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48AA9.C53A3990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh if your using a pc get a copy of MIDI Ox http://www.midiox.com/ it is really handy for debugging and testing MIDI enabled devices it can also send message so you can test a device for responses to MIDI commands. Most MIDI clock commands are global and not MIDI channel specific but, the offset (I believe) changed the command and was effecting stop /start messages more then anything else? _____ From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Thanks for the response. I dont believe I changed it...I will look into it though. I think the default source # was 36. (I've never really messed around with MIDI before...so I'm a bit of a moron in that respect) -Alen -----Original Message----- From: AK [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception In the parameters did you alter the Source # from it's default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg but, haven't used it much lately _____ From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP MIDI Clock reception Hi everyone, I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After following the directions to a tee (Synch = In, Midi out from drum machine ---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any other ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried multiple MIDI cables...to eliminate the obvious) Thanks in advance.... also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington Vermont area that are interested in getting together for some sonic exploration or sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list. -Alen ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48AA9.C53A3990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP MIDI Clock reception
Oh if your using a pc get a copy of MIDI Ox http://www.midiox.com/ it is = really handy=20 for debugging and testing MIDI enabled devices it can also send = message so=20 you can test a device for responses to MIDI commands. Most MIDI clock = commands=20 are global and not MIDI channel specific but, the offset (I believe) = changed the=20 command and was effecting stop /start messages more then anything=20 else? 

From: Alen Cileli = [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:05 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: EDP MIDI = Clock=20 reception

Thanks=20 for the response.
I dont=20 believe I changed it...I will look into it though. I think the default = source #=20  was 36.
(I've=20 never really messed around with MIDI before...so I'm a bit of a moron in = that=20 respect)
 
-Alen
-----Original Message-----
From: AK=20 [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, = 2004 12:33=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 EDP MIDI Clock reception

In the parameters did you alter the Source # = from it's=20 default? that caused me a little bit of a headache I also have a Korg = but,=20 haven't used it much lately
 

From: Alen Cileli = [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:57 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP MIDI Clock=20 reception

Hi everyone,
I'm=20 a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to = set up=20 the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After = following=20 the directions to a tee (Synch =3D In, Midi out from drum machine = ---> Midi=20 In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. =

I read in the list archive that the EDP = needs to be=20 "in reset" while the external device sends the clock. Is this = referring to the=20 resting state of the EDP before you begin recording? Anyone have any = other=20 ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing this? (I tried = multiple MIDI=20 cables...to eliminate the obvious)

Thanks in advance....
also if there are any members of this list in the Burlington = Vermont=20 area that are interested in getting together for some sonic = exploration or=20 sharing a bill at a gig contact me off list.

-Alen=20









------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C48AA9.C53A3990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 13:51:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PHmNM21240; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040825104003.02bf2150@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:47:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD In-Reply-To: <001701c48713$5ec53f50$6701a8c0@server> References: <22706350.1093044001246.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd48baf2c40b374b364608703b21820e3998f83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.232.159.96 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just my 2 cents re: PK.... I first became infatuated with the guy about 32 years ago, when he used to play a lot in churches in the Youngstown, Ohio area. Over the years, as my list of favorite musicians has grown into the hundreds, Phil has always occupied a very special place on that list. Such a rare, natural musicality. Looking forward to getting that DVD! - Tom At 08:11 PM 8/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I read you loud and clear. His Mom always said he was pretty good, though. >For a guy with only nine fingers, he's incredible. The DVD doesn't even show >him at his best - In fact I would say he is at his worst. Still, you can see >how incredible he is. >Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 15:07:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PJ4n503927; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:03:02 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002901c48ad6$25eb2b60$6601a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <22706350.1093044001246.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20040825104003.02bf2150@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You'll get a lot out of the DVD, I'm sure. He was obviously tired and a little nervous with the cameras that night, but you'll still be well Keagified. In fact, there's an optional commentary you can play with Phil and his sound guy talking throughout the performance. At one point Phil says "Well, this is the last time I'll be watching this". Still a stellar performance, even though he wasn't quite at his best. It will drop the jaw of many a guitarist when they see this. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Heasley" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy DVD > Just my 2 cents re: PK.... I first became infatuated with the guy about 32 > years ago, when he used to play a lot in churches in the Youngstown, Ohio > area. Over the years, as my list of favorite musicians has grown into the > hundreds, Phil has always occupied a very special place on that list. Such > a rare, natural musicality. Looking forward to getting that DVD! - Tom > > At 08:11 PM 8/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >I read you loud and clear. His Mom always said he was pretty good, though. > >For a guy with only nine fingers, he's incredible. The DVD doesn't even show > >him at his best - In fact I would say he is at his worst. Still, you can see > >how incredible he is. > >Brian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 25 15:20:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7PJHgv05484; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c48ad8$1ff18ef0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040825092947.02e5e2a8@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: BBC performance/interview this Friday Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:17:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, that's great news - Mixing It is a very very highly respected show, playing lots of great music. Here's hoping it leads to many CD sales... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Heasley" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: RE: BBC performance/interview this Friday > Cool. Thanks, Michael. It really is a great program, isn't it? Truly > eclectic. I hesitated to post, as I haven't been much of a list member > since moving to LA last year. Best, Tom > > At 08:23 AM 8/25/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > From: Tom Heasley [mailto:tom@tomheasley.com] > > > I recently recorded new music and an interview for the BBC in London. > >Have a listen on the web, if you like. The program, 'Mixing It', will air > >this Friday > > > > > >congratulations Tom. Mixing It is my favorite new music program. For all > >those with a love for adventurous music, this is a highly recommended radio > >show, and the best thing is, they put it online after the show has been > >broadcast and you can then listen to it in good quality. Go to > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml and click the Mixing It > >loudspeaker symbol to listen. The current show (online until this Friday) > >contains the exclusive Bjork interview that Rick wrote about - an > >interesting listen is guaranteed. > > > > > >-Michael > >www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 00:04:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7Q3uSi11186; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:56:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c48b22$50b2a390$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040825092947.02e5e2a8@pop.earthlink.net> <004c01c48ad8$1ff18ef0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Subject: EDP I saw for sale... Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:08:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0feZ0.A.pqC._8VLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/40467552.html In case anyone in the San Francisco area is interested in an EDP w/footpedal for $800. Looks like the black model, "perfect working condition w/ loop IV software and manual, (lower haight)" (I've no connection to seller!) ||: David :|| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 03:25:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7Q7LlS24424; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c48b3c$e4bebaa0$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: RE:Electrix coming back? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:18:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C48B4D.A8300B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C48B4D.A8300B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it too soon to start a VERSION 2.0 software wishlist??? he he he! Mark >Wow, that just gave me a looping woody!!!!! =20 >Temperamental as it is, I adore my Repeater! >R. >Peter Toms wrote: >"It's true. 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Is it too soon to start a VERSION 2.0 software=20 wishlist???
 
he he he!
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
 
>Wow,  that just gave me a looping=20 woody!!!!!     
 
>Temperamental as it is,  I adore my=20 Repeater!
 
>R.
 
 
 
 
 
>Peter Toms wrote:

>"It's true.=20 Details to come..... it's been bought by someone=20 new.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C48B4D.A8300B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 03:35:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7Q7MtO24756; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826001107.068b9008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:22:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Clock reception In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD70349177D@bioebe.biotek.com> References: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD70349177D@bioebe.biotek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:57 AM 8/24/2004, Alen Cileli wrote: >I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to >set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After >following the directions to a tee (Synch = In, Midi out from drum machine >---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. yes, that is the right way to set it up. Make sure your drum machine is configured to send midi clock out. Also make sure the 8ths/cycle setting on the echoplex is reasonable. The default setting of 8 means one loop is equal to 8 8th notes at the tempo of the incoming clock, or two bars of 4/4 time. Do you have LoopIII or LoopIV software in your Echoplex? (They both sync to MIDI fine, but the behavior is a little different between them.) >I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the >external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state of >the EDP before you begin recording? yes, that is correct. "Reset" is also the state after you have held down the record button to reset the loop. >Anyone have any other ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing >this? (I tried multiple MIDI cables...to eliminate the obvious) With the Echoplex in Reset, press Start on the drum machine. You should see some LED flash on the Echoplex. (the sync display is different for LoopIII and LoopIV.) After one cycle time has passed, you should see the flash again, and more LEDs going if you use LoopIV. If you don't see anything, the clock is not being sent to the Echoplex. If you do see the LED's flash, you should be able to record and have the loop automatically quantize to the right length and stay in sync from there on. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 03:58:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7Q7tPb01385; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:55:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:55:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Electrix coming back? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:57:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c48b3c$e4bebaa0$6f00a8c0@tl.no> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you go back to my original post you'll find that this quote actually comes from the repeater mailing list (repeater-users@yahoogroups.com) where they have started putting together a wishlist, after Peter Toms writing: >I'm going to try and look at the software for Repeater, anybody have >ideas for improvements in the operating system? Let me know. > >Peter Toms >Condor Electronics This was actually before the announcement of electrix being bought. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: markred [mailto:mark@mark-red.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 26. August 2004 09:19 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:Electrix coming back? Is it too soon to start a VERSION 2.0 software wishlist??? he he he! Mark >Wow, that just gave me a looping woody!!!!! >Temperamental as it is, I adore my Repeater! >R. >Peter Toms wrote: >"It's true. Details to come..... it's been bought by someone new. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 08:45:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QCgk926928; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:42:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:42:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: EDP MIDI Clock reception Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7034917A1@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP MIDI Clock reception Thread-Index: AcSLPXs3LsfXWOomTiahGS08ceGzRwALBEUw From: "Alen Cileli" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i7QCgJh26867 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the response Kim. I will try again tonight. I'm thinking the problem is with the drum machine because I have everything set correctly on the EDP, and I was successful in synching to a midi synth. (I have Loop IV by the way) -Alen -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Clock reception At 06:57 AM 8/24/2004, Alen Cileli wrote: >I'm a relatively new EDP user. I spent a lot of time last night trying to >set up the EDP to receive MIDI clock signal frm a Korg drum machine. After >following the directions to a tee (Synch = In, Midi out from drum machine >---> Midi In on EDP, drum machine generating clock) I still had no luck. yes, that is the right way to set it up. Make sure your drum machine is configured to send midi clock out. Also make sure the 8ths/cycle setting on the echoplex is reasonable. The default setting of 8 means one loop is equal to 8 8th notes at the tempo of the incoming clock, or two bars of 4/4 time. Do you have LoopIII or LoopIV software in your Echoplex? (They both sync to MIDI fine, but the behavior is a little different between them.) >I read in the list archive that the EDP needs to be "in reset" while the >external device sends the clock. Is this referring to the resting state of >the EDP before you begin recording? yes, that is correct. "Reset" is also the state after you have held down the record button to reset the loop. >Anyone have any other ideas why I haven't been able to succeed in doing >this? (I tried multiple MIDI cables...to eliminate the obvious) With the Echoplex in Reset, press Start on the drum machine. You should see some LED flash on the Echoplex. (the sync display is different for LoopIII and LoopIV.) After one cycle time has passed, you should see the flash again, and more LEDs going if you use LoopIV. If you don't see anything, the clock is not being sent to the Echoplex. If you do see the LED's flash, you should be able to record and have the loop automatically quantize to the right length and stay in sync from there on. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 11:31:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QFSFY23199; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: johncecilprice@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam: ELECTRIC BLANKET: 09/02/04 @ NorthStar-Philly Areas Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:27:35 +0000 Message-Id: <082620041527.9548.412E0166000962020000254C22007456720A0C079D9F04070C0A0C02080106@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: am9obmNlY2lscHJpY2VAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9548_1093534055_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9548_1093534055_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey loopers...been a while since I've spoken to you :) Join ELECTRIC BLANKET (my new band) as it makes its Debut Performance @ The Family of Shame's 1st ever Public Exhibition! Be there: next week, Sep 2, 2004 @ The NorthStar: 27th & Poplar Streets, Phila., PA DOORS 8pm (minimum cover like 5 bucks or less), but ELECTRIC BLANKET STARTS @11pm Sharp! This performance is within a celebration of The Family of Shame (a fine arts collective) and Psydde Delicious who have now merged into a volatile, bubbling, energy-ball soup.... a recipe for creation, for subversion, for domination! "Art meets Decadence... Beauty Meets Ugliness (gives it a makeover, then bitch-slaps it in the face), Creation meets Destruction... Everything is in it's right place, great things are afoot". But imagine a carnival like atmsphere here with Needles Jones as MC and a cast of decadent characters including Psydde Delicious who are @ the heart of Philly's ultimate nightlife scene. ELECTRIC BLANKET is a mega-loud & chaotic instrumental homage to the return of the Annunaki & absolutely nothing new. & hailng from Planet X, drenched in feedback, glitter and esoteric atonal knowledge, ELECTRIC BLANKET will obliterate the space in between notes and leave audiences no room for any contemplative silence. ELECTRIC BLANKET exists to help us all prepare for the next arrival of the 12th planet. ELECTRIC BLANKET features Mike Stauss, (of Phil-delphonic Jam-Fame) on Slide Bass, Loops & Fender Rhodes Piano; Jim Coughlin, Drums; Ed Wilcox, drums and percussion (ex-AKASH & Still The Mastermind behind TEMPLE OF BON MATIN); John Cecil Price, Electric Guitar, Guitar Synth, Loops (ex-AKASH, ex-TEMPLE OF BON MATIN, THE CRIME, Psychohead, 929 Blessings, John Price Trio) So Stay tuned for ELECTRIC BLANKET MP3's as well as Flyers for this particular show, photos & an ELECTRIC BLANKET website, all to come very soon. Regards, JOHN CECIL PRICE "REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS" http://geocities.com/jprice001/johncecilprice http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?user_id=18853&page=content --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9548_1093534055_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hey loopers...been a while since I've spoken to you :)

Join ELECTRIC BLANKET (my new band)
as it makes its Debut Performance
@ The Family of Shame's
1st ever Public Exhibition!

Be there: next week, Sep 2, 2004
@ The NorthStar:
27th & Poplar Streets, Phila., PA

DOORS 8pm (minimum cover like 5 bucks or less), but ELECTRIC BLANKET STARTS @11pm Sharp!

This performance is within a celebration of The
Family of Shame (a fine arts collective) and Psydde Delicious who have now merged into a volatile, bubbling,
energy-ball soup.... a recipe for creation, for subversion, for
domination! 

"Art meets Decadence... Beauty Meets
Ugliness (gives it a makeover, then bitch-slaps it in the face),
Creation meets Destruction...  Everything is in it's right place, great
things are afoot".

But imagine a carnival like atmsphere here with Needles Jones as MC and a cast of decadent characters including Psydde Delicious who are @ the heart of Philly's ultimate nightlife scene.

ELECTRIC BLANKET is a mega-loud & chaotic instrumental homage to the return of the Annunaki & absolutely nothing new.

& hailng from Planet X, drenched in feedback, glitter and esoteric atonal knowledge, ELECTRIC BLANKET will obliterate the space in between notes and leave audiences no room for any contemplative silence.

ELECTRIC BLANKET exists to help us all prepare for the next arrival of the 12th planet.
 
ELECTRIC BLANKET features Mike Stauss, (of Phil-delphonic Jam-Fame) on Slide Bass, Loops & Fender Rhodes Piano; Jim Coughlin, Drums; Ed Wilcox, drums and percussion (ex-AKASH & Still The Mastermind behind TEMPLE OF BON MATIN); John Cecil Price, Electric Guitar, Guitar Synth, Loops (ex-AKASH, ex-TEMPLE OF BON MATIN, THE CRIME, Psychohead, 929 Blessings, John Price Trio)

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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9548_1093534055_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 16:38:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QKW9U14289; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:32:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040826203109.65992.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: EH16 Reissue First Impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826001107.068b9008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro covered the MIDI features and other features in greater depth in his review: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16II/eh16II_review1.html The following is my own impressions. The user interface is very nice. The blinking LEDs really help a lot, just like Mark reports, especially the ones that blink at the tempo of the loop, so that when you overdub a new loop, it is easy to match what you play to the tempo of the loops that are already running. I also appreciate the signal level LEDs for the Input Gain slider. Set is so the input triggers the green LED but not the orange LED (which signals overload). Very straightforward and helpful, unless one wants intentional distortion. For my little test of the unit, I followed the "quick start" portion of the manual: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16II/eh16-manual.html I recorded loops of my guitar and my Saxxy (an electric kazoo sold at Sharper Image stores), following these instructions. The "Fine Tempo" slider is fun to play with in both Tempo-only mode (speed up/slow down the loop without changing pitch) and Pitch&Tempo mode. By combining the use of this slider with the Depth and Speed controls (these two control the built-in chorus/flanger effect which is always on) I quickly got sounds just like Nels Cline. For example, I overdubbed loops of myself playing high notes on the guitar, then slid the Fine slider down to get even higher-pitched sounds just like those old-fashioned music boxes that you wind up. Sliding the Fine control to the other extreme produces dark and scary sounds. Conclusion so far: I find it a very good tool for solo improvisation. I cannot comment on how it would help a pop songwriter type, because that is a different genre. My main concern is how to incorporate a looper into group improvisational situations, especially nonidiomatic free improv a la Derek Bailey. I have been trying to do this with my Line6 DL4, in my role as the "sound alchemist/electronic doodad player", with limited success as I have struggled to get it to respond quickly enough to sudden changes in dynamics, tempi, etc. I have had an easier time incorporating synthesizers with and without computer control (arpeggiators, sequencers). It seems like using the Fine slider to adjust tempo and pitch on the fly will be my main way to use the EH16 in free improv. This seems to be what Cline and Bill Frisell do with their older versions of this device. I will try this at tomorrow night's jam session and see how it goes. If it works out as I hope, I may put up the DL4 on eBay as well as the Line6 expression pedal I bought for the it. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 16:44:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QKgEN16211; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.124.64] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EH16 Reissue First Impressions Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:39:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 20:39:54.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7AE0BC0:01C48BAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did anyone pick up the ext. switch for this box yet? >From: Paolo Valladolid >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EH16 Reissue First Impressions >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) > >Mark Sottilaro covered the MIDI features and other >features in greater depth in his review: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16II/eh16II_review1.html > >The following is my own impressions. > >The user interface is very nice. The blinking LEDs >really help a lot, just like Mark reports, especially >the ones that blink at the tempo of the loop, so that >when you overdub a new loop, it is easy to match what >you play to the tempo of the loops that are already >running. > >I also appreciate the signal level LEDs for the Input >Gain slider. Set is so the input triggers the green >LED but not the orange LED (which signals overload). >Very straightforward and helpful, unless one wants >intentional distortion. > >For my little test of the unit, I followed the "quick >start" portion of the manual: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16II/eh16-manual.html > >I recorded loops of my guitar and my Saxxy (an >electric kazoo sold at Sharper Image stores), >following these instructions. The "Fine Tempo" slider >is fun to play with in both Tempo-only mode (speed >up/slow down the loop without changing pitch) and >Pitch&Tempo mode. By combining the use of this slider >with the Depth and Speed controls (these two control >the built-in chorus/flanger effect which is always on) >I quickly got sounds just like Nels Cline. For >example, I overdubbed loops of myself playing high >notes on the guitar, then slid the Fine slider down to >get even higher-pitched sounds just like those >old-fashioned music boxes that you wind up. Sliding >the Fine control to the other extreme produces dark >and scary sounds. > >Conclusion so far: > >I find it a very good tool for solo improvisation. I >cannot comment on how it would help a pop songwriter >type, because that is a different genre. > >My main concern is how to incorporate a looper into >group improvisational situations, especially >nonidiomatic free improv a la Derek Bailey. I have >been trying to do this with my Line6 DL4, in my role >as the "sound alchemist/electronic doodad player", >with limited success as I have struggled to get it to >respond quickly enough to sudden changes in dynamics, >tempi, etc. I have had an easier time incorporating >synthesizers with and without computer control >(arpeggiators, sequencers). > >It seems like using the Fine slider to adjust tempo >and pitch on the fly will be my main way to use the >EH16 in free improv. This seems to be what Cline and >Bill Frisell do with their older versions of this >device. I will try this at tomorrow night's jam >session and see how it goes. If it works out as I >hope, I may put up the DL4 on eBay as well as the >Line6 expression pedal I bought for the it. > >Paolo > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 16:46:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QKhYs16504; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412E4A75.1090102@mem.li> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:39:17 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP_gate_problem Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030608030801010507000207" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------030608030801010507000207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hiya all does anybody happen to have come across the following problem: if i try to blend a chord into an existing loop by striking it on the guitar first with it's volume = 0 and then turning the pot up to max slowly with the EDP's overdub on, the looper is only accepting part of it (nothing being recorded below a certain level), as if there was a gate installed in front of the recording unit. thanx for possible ways out apart from the flip mode and any other method with pedals involved phil -- www.mem.li - mus.iq altenbergstrasse 55 3013 bern - schweiz fonfax 031 33 246 44 --------------030608030801010507000207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hiya all

does anybody happen to have come across the following problem:

if i try to blend a chord into an existing loop by striking it on the guitar first with it's volume = 0 and then turning the pot up to max slowly with the EDP's overdub on, the looper is only accepting part of it (nothing being recorded below a certain level), as if there was a gate installed in front of the recording unit.

thanx for possible ways out apart from the flip mode and any other method with pedals involved

phil
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--------------030608030801010507000207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 17:00:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QKv6H19104; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412E4E7F.ACFB2D02@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:56:31 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more EH16 first impressions References: <20040826203109.65992.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote this a few weeks ago for the AH mailing list. Thought I'd send it to LD as well. My conclusions are a bit different than what I've read from others recently. For example, I can't stand the %##@ "set time" loop thing. For that reason alone the EH16 is now sitting in it's box and I'm still using the DL4 live. To each there own certainly. ------------------------------------------------------------ For anyone who is interested here are my (Extremely subjective) first impressions: 1. Unit is painted flat black which is interesting as everything else has been the shiny metal of the "old" units. 2. Switches on top feel plastic and cheap as hell. Most likely doesn't matter but they feel cheap as hell. 3. Just curious: I looked for a serial # on the outside or paperwork since it's a big shot "limited edition" Didn't find one. Presumably there is one inside the unit but I don't feel like opening it up. yet :) I read the manual a week before this arrived and haven't touched it since so take that into account on these points: 4. The "click" volume is almost inaudible even at full volume. At this early point I'd say that makes it useless and the LEDS will be the way to go for the "bars" settings. 5. The Bars* setting (which is unique to this unit) seems quite counter intuitive to me. I REALLY wish they had set it up so you start, stop, and it loops automatically. As it is you are a slave to the beat of the pedal which is the antithesis of how I work. Given the click track doesn't have it's own output (as on the original) and is ridiculously quiet (I'm really hoping there is a trim pot in there to change that) this is even more difficult to work with. *For those not familiar the pedal has a setting for "bars" (as in one measure, two measures, etc) which makes you conform to the beat of the pedal. If you don't start playing when the pedal starts or if you stop before IT is finished there is silence in the loop. As a looper it will take some getting used to and unless I'm mistaken I'll have to pay attention to the %$#@ little leds blinking to the the loop "right" rather than simply stepping on it and playing (like ANY other looper I have ever used). I understand they wanted to do something different but IMO this is serious setback to the 'sloppy' player. (ie ME!). Who wants to check the %#@ pedal to see if your loop is in sync? Whatever. 6. OK I sound all pissed off so here's the good news: F*** the looper, the delay on this is WRONG in the best possible way. You can set it to basically process and loop in realtime and totally destroy the original signal in very interesting ways. The coarse/fine sliders really decimate the loop. the speed depth is capable of some serious perversion. The Input gain distorts the signal of a nice analog beat box quite well. Now to be fair the old Digitech "Time Machine" rack units did similar stuff and even the Korg Kaoss pad can destroy things via delay but this *is* different. Is it $500 and hype different? Well, I suppose the jury is out on that at this point. I AM glad I got one despite my above bitching. It's a damn cool box. So, after a few hours I'd say I see great live potential for this box but not at ALL as I originally expected. I'll check the manual now to see if there's a way to override that fascist "bars" setting but as I recall that is the whole point of the unit. Haven't checked the midi sync but I can see where this would be a great studio tool where you can sit around a mess with a loop over and over unit you get it right and then sync other nastiness (via midi) to it. It is CLEARLY not a reissue in the real sense. This is a VERY different pedal. FWIW the original lofi grungy sound is totally gone. This is a digital box through and through. Not a bad thing as this stands on it's own with things the original couldn't do. I suppose I'll keep my DL4 ready for simple live looping use though. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." NOW! New online shopping cart of great Indie Rock and Electronic music: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com/catalog.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 17:08:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QL5So22376; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:05:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040826210425.76913.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: EH16 Reissue First Impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9fEtIC.A.mYF.fBlLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louis Rossi wrote: > Did anyone pick up the ext. switch for this box yet? Where did you see it on sale? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 17:17:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QL9PR23252; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: EH16 Reissue First Impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Louis Rossi wrote: > Did anyone pick up the ext. switch for this box yet? I wasn't aware the external switch unit was available yet for the EH16 reissue. Is it? Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 17:20:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QLHd324590; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:17:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040826211712.40054.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: more EH16 first impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <412E4E7F.ACFB2D02@HelpWantedProductions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > I wrote this a few weeks ago for the AH mailing > list. Thought I'd send > it to LD as well. My conclusions are a bit different > than what I've read > from others recently. For example, I can't stand the > %##@ "set time" > loop thing. For that reason alone the EH16 is now > sitting in it's box > and I'm still using the DL4 live. To each there own > certainly. Good point about the metronome click being virtually inaudible, even with the slider for it set all the way up. I wish there was a headphone out with the click. In our band, I loop other people's instruments rather than my own, so I have the luxury of being able to monitor LED blinks. I will probably keep the bar setting at 2 or less because when to record an overdub and for how long are issues I deal with in the group improv context. Longer bar settings would compound the problem. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 26 19:16:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7QNEG915823; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:11:35 -0800 Subject: Re: EH16 Reissue First Impressions From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040826203109.65992.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2xDWdC.A.j0D.l5mLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my 1st impressions? me NO likee as a long time (ab)user of the original i find this new thang to be a totallee different animal... in a nut shell its not ergonomic-user friendlee like the old one-too many constraints as has been discussed and just not pliable enuff for me-signal wise...ymmv stannee (i would love to hear nelscline's take on the new one-i gotta feeling he would be in the )) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 00:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R4k9405949; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:46:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040827044514.99061.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonal Mane Subject: 2-input midi sound card for linux machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1840738142-1093581914=:97773" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1840738142-1093581914=:97773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi, would anyone be able to direct me to sites or to any info on midi interface cards. i'm looking for a 2-input midi interface card for a machin which has linux as the operating system. we already have one for a windows machine.i'd appreciate inputs on this. 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  would anyone be able to direct me to sites or to any info on midi interface cards. i'm looking for a 2-input midi interface card for a machin which has linux as the operating system. we already have one for a windows machine.i'd appreciate inputs on this.
Sonal 

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Enter now. --0-1840738142-1093581914=:97773-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 01:19:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R5EvY11134; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:14:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:14:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826214943.07e43ce8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:14:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EH16 Reissue First Impressions In-Reply-To: <20040826203109.65992.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826001107.068b9008@loopers-delight.com> <20040826203109.65992.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paolo, David, and Stan- I would really like it if you guys can contribute EH16-II reviews for the Looper's Delight web site! Especially since you have such different impressions and are using it for different reasons. Probably you can reuse what you wrote already or update it if you like. Let me know, ok? I've especially been looking for a reviewer who is very familiar with the original and can make a detailed comparison. A lot of people are interested in whether it is a faithful reissue or not. And the rest of you also! I'm always looking for good quality reviews for the site. People are really interested in what LDer's have to say about various loop tools. Thousands of people come every week to read the reviews on the site. Far more than read the mailing list. A lot of the devices on the site don't have much commentary, and I think we can do better with that. So if you can, take a look at your favorite tools and write us a review! Whether you are an experienced looper or not, it is ok since different perspectives are valued by people looking for opinions. The world is waiting to hear from you. You will be famous! thanks! kim At 01:31 PM 8/26/2004, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >Mark Sottilaro covered the MIDI features and other >features in greater depth in his review: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16II/eh16II_review1.html > >The following is my own impressions. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 01:25:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R5I5d11362; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826221438.07e43e30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:17:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP_gate_problem In-Reply-To: <412E4A75.1090102@mem.li> References: <412E4A75.1090102@mem.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:39 PM 8/26/2004, zurrigo wrote: >if i try to blend a chord into an existing loop by striking it on the >guitar first with it's volume = 0 and then turning the pot up to max >slowly with the EDP's overdub on, the looper is only accepting part of it >(nothing being recorded below a certain level), as if there was a gate >installed in front of the recording unit. Yes, there is a gate on the loop input, it is necessary to make Undo a usable feature. However, the threshold is quite low so if you can hear it you probably just have the input level too low. Turn the input up, and it should be fine. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 01:53:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R5qe015889; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:52:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:52:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040827004338.0cc2fd68@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: EH16 Reissue First Impressions In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826214943.07e43ce8@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826001107.068b9008@loopers-delight.com> <20040826203109.65992.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20040826214943.07e43ce8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:14 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote: >And the rest of you also! I'm always looking for good quality reviews for >the site. People are really interested in what LDer's have to say about >various loop tools. Thousands of people come every week to read the >reviews on the site. Far more than read the mailing list. A lot of the >devices on the site don't have much commentary, and I think we can do >better with that. So if you can, take a look at your favorite tools and >write us a review! Whether you are an experienced looper or not, it is ok >since different perspectives are valued by people looking for opinions. >The world is waiting to hear from you. You will be famous! Kim, If you like, feel free to repost the review/labtest I published to the LD list for using dual-mono Echo Pro's to simulate stereo looping. If you can't find it in the archives, let me know and I'll resend a copy. Don't need to be famous, but maybe it'll help anyone who's looking at something similar... ;) Thanks! --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 01:56:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R5sjM16461; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040827004852.0cdfc4a0@wheresmymailserver.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:51:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: EH16 Reissue First Impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, nuts! There's another example of what should've been private email and hitting the "send" button one second too soon. :P Sorry. <*sigh*> At 12:14 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote: >And the rest of you also! I'm always looking for good quality reviews for >the site. People are really interested in what LDer's have to say about >various loop tools. Thousands of people come every week to read the >reviews on the site. Far more than read the mailing list. A lot of the >devices on the site don't have much commentary, and I think we can do >better with that. So if you can, take a look at your favorite tools and >write us a review! Whether you are an experienced looper or not, it is ok >since different perspectives are valued by people looking for opinions. >The world is waiting to hear from you. You will be famous! Kim, If you like, feel free to repost the review/labtest I published to the LD list for using dual-mono Echo Pro's to simulate stereo looping. If you can't find it in the archives, let me know and I'll resend a copy. Don't need to be famous, but maybe it'll help anyone who's looking at something similar... ;) Thanks! --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 05:05:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R8vUS23884; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:55:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C48BD8.FFA72F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C48BD8.FFA72F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finally, a cutting edge sonic technology that I DON"T want to = purchase. Check out this very creepy article about the LRAD............a sonic = device that can be used as a weapon or as=20 a crowd controller. http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082704C.shtml# ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C48BD8.FFA72F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Finally,    a cutting edge sonic = technology=20 that I DON"T want to purchase.
 
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a crowd controller.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C48BD8.FFA72F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 05:54:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R9m3J01389; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:48:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c48c1b$1467a940$9e4dff17@steve> From: "stefano" To: Subject: Never do this Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:48:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C48C2B.BD72DB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "stefano" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <4jI8JB.A.1Q.zLwLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C48C2B.BD72DB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi at all, I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping and I = had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the EDP was = plaing but the EDP started with distorced sound.I think is broken. Now I need a autorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there someone = who can help me? Stefano ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C48C2B.BD72DB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi at all,
I want to tell this experience = about my=20 Echoplex .I was looping and I had the footpedal unplugged,so I = decided=20 to plug it when the EDP was plaing but the EDP started with = distorced=20 sound.I think is broken.
Now I need a autorized lab to repair it = here in=20 Rome Italy,there someone who can help me?
Stefano
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C48C2B.BD72DB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 05:59:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7R9rKG02718; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:53:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c48c1b$fd948070$9e4dff17@steve> From: "stefano" To: Subject: Never do this Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:55:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48C2C.C0EC5560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "stefano" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48C2C.C0EC5560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi at all, I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping and I = had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the EDP was = playing but the EDP started with distorted sound.I think is broken. Now I need a authorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there = someone who can help me? Stefano ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48C2C.C0EC5560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi at all,
I want to tell this experience = about my=20 Echoplex .I was looping and I had the footpedal unplugged,so I = decided=20 to plug it when the EDP was playing but the EDP started with = distorted=20 sound.I think is broken.
Now I need a authorized lab to repair = it here in=20 Rome Italy,there someone who can help me?
Stefano
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48C2C.C0EC5560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 06:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RAFc406838; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:15:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:15:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:15:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Check out this very creepy article about the LRAD............a sonic > device that can be used as a weapon or as > a crowd controller. yes. it's the same idea that the Nazis were using the 40s. they had a parabolic sound cannon which fired a 6.5 hz sine wave at some obscene dB level that could blow a soldier apart ... if he stood still for 4 minutes. there was a picture of one in the Time-Life book The Secret War, from their WWII book series. they ended up using it for crowd control because getting the enemy to stand still for several minutes is kind of difficult. btw: notice anything particular about that frequency? it's the average resonant frequency of the human body, which also happens to fall within the 6-7 hz range which we find most musically pleasing for vibrato. coincidence? hopefully at this point a more educated member of this list will chime in and either provide more significant and thoughtful information or inform me of my extreme mistaken-ness. either way, if you have more info on this please chime in, as googling presented me with no reference pages to include in this post. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 06:42:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RAepX11841; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:40:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <59450A30-F815-11D8-8180-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:39:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1h0pD.A.LyC.e9wLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 27, 2004, at 12:15, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > yes. it's the same idea that the Nazis were using the 40s. > > they had a parabolic sound cannon which fired a 6.5 hz sine wave at > some obscene dB level that could blow a soldier apart ... if he stood > still for 4 minutes. > btw: notice anything particular about that frequency? it's the average > resonant frequency of the human body, which also happens to fall > within the 6-7 hz range which we find most musically pleasing for > vibrato. > > coincidence? Interesting idea, Eric! Now, that must be why Ben Websters tone feels like tearing me apart inside: It does!!! Guess I survived because I did move within four minutes ;-) BTW isn't that range of 6 to 7 hz the range that may trigger an epileptic reaction if you are disposed for it? I heard of traffic accidents where people have been driving at sunset through an alley with trees planted on a row at a distance that happened to create an 6 to 7 hz frequency of sun beam vs shadow. Unfortunate for epileptic drivers. And if you go a little lower you reach the frequency of INFRA NOISE that cause headache and sickness. Infra noise can be generated inside high buildings by the outside wind or the passing of heavy traffic. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 07:16:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RB5pL17203; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:03:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: About echoplex From: bruno lecossois To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <_UldBB.A.zIE.gVxLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I live in France. Impossible to find an Echoplex... Do you know a way to get it ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 07:56:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RBsOw24268; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412F2007.4090800@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:50:31 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMSUIC Playlist #387 for August 19, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2JGxPB.A.g4F.DCyLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040819.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #387 August 19, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I coninued the month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Twelve Stories" on Margen Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Alpha Centauri" by Tangerine Dream on Brain Records. Dom F. Scab - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Sunrise in the Thirrd Alpha Centauri (Brain) System Ozone Player The Sprawl ++ Frozen Paint on Boiling Canvas (Visual Power) Remote Spaces Spirale Spirale (none) vidnaObmana Second Praise for Last Anthology (Ikon/Projekt) Hope VA [Jonathan Hughes] Snowdrift Fluidities (Foundry) VA [Jonathan Hughes] Vellum Fluidities (Foundry) Terra Ambient The Gate The Gate (Lotuspike) Not Your Average Hippy Jellyfish The NYAH EP (Blue Water) 12:00 am Dom F. Scab Complicity Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab This Is Relative Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab About the Madness Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab I'm Sorry, But We Have Twelve Stories (Margen) Moved to Saturn Dom F. Scab Brief Fable Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab Parent-thesis Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab Ningu Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab Crossed Thoughts Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab Interior Travel Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab Imaginary Moment Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab A Reasonable Whim Twelve Stories (Margen) Dom F. Scab Elementary Twelve Stories (Margen) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Facta" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "White Eagle" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 08:03:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RC0JE26343; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:00:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <412F219B.6050407@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:57:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #388 for August 26, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040826.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #388 August 26, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Dom F. Scab. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Facta" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "White Eagle" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Dom F. Scab - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Midnight in Tula White Eagle (Virgin) VA [Zero One] Dreamworld Ambienism Vol. 1 (Spiralight) A Produce and La Selva (The Jungle) Early Sessions (Trance Port) Ruben Garcia Rogue Element Rainbow Runner Premonition (Acoustic Wave) VA [Saul Stokes) Summer Fluidities (Foundry) Remote Spaces Mirage Alpha (none) Cluster Balm Orchid Rain 1.0 (Blue Water) 12:00 am Dom F. Scab Metal Bird Creation Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Miracle of Flight Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Message of Missing Birds Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Rescue of Hope Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Dream of Freedom Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Knowledge Time Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Invitation to Memory Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Universe Mechanism Facta (Groove) Dom F. Scab Towards the Infinite Facta (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Space and Time" on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Hyperborea" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 08:21:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RCIkp29216; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:18:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:18:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Never do this Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:17:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c48c2f$c603dcf0$01fea8c0@Andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C48C38.27C844F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000101c48c1b$1467a940$9e4dff17@steve> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-IIwDB.A._BH.OZyLBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C48C38.27C844F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is very unlikely that plugging the f/s in while it is on caused any damage; I've done this 100s of times. Have you tried a parameter re-set? -----Original Message----- From: stefano [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it] Sent: 27 August 2004 10:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Never do this Hi at all, I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping and I had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the EDP was plaing but the EDP started with distorced sound.I think is broken. Now I need a autorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there someone who can help me? Stefano ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C48C38.27C844F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is very unlikely that plugging = the f/s in while it is on caused any damage; I’ve done this 100s of times. = Have you tried a parameter re-set?

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: stefano [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it]
Sent: 27 August 2004 = 10:48
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Never do = this

 

Hi at = all,

I want to tell this = experience about my Echoplex .I was looping and I had the footpedal = unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the EDP was plaing but the EDP started = with distorced sound.I think is broken.

Now I need a autorized lab = to repair it here in Rome Italy,there someone who can help = me?

Stefano

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C48C38.27C844F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 08:23:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RCGCb28572; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:15:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c48c2f$8659a530$01fea8c0@Andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <59450A30-F815-11D8-8180-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In fact, in France at the moment they are removing every other tree down the long tree-lined straights as they found that drivers were falling asleep at the wheel. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: 27 August 2004 11:39 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology On Aug 27, 2004, at 12:15, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > yes. it's the same idea that the Nazis were using the 40s. > > they had a parabolic sound cannon which fired a 6.5 hz sine wave at > some obscene dB level that could blow a soldier apart ... if he stood > still for 4 minutes. > btw: notice anything particular about that frequency? it's the average > resonant frequency of the human body, which also happens to fall > within the 6-7 hz range which we find most musically pleasing for > vibrato. > > coincidence? Interesting idea, Eric! Now, that must be why Ben Websters tone feels like tearing me apart inside: It does!!! Guess I survived because I did move within four minutes ;-) BTW isn't that range of 6 to 7 hz the range that may trigger an epileptic reaction if you are disposed for it? I heard of traffic accidents where people have been driving at sunset through an alley with trees planted on a row at a distance that happened to create an 6 to 7 hz frequency of sun beam vs shadow. Unfortunate for epileptic drivers. And if you go a little lower you reach the frequency of INFRA NOISE that cause headache and sickness. Infra noise can be generated inside high buildings by the outside wind or the passing of heavy traffic. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 08:41:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RCdDa32493; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48C32.9C04A194" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Subject: RE: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370ED@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LRAD new sonic technology Thread-Index: AcSME8G056sDnGvNQQSQBrZsnmO5+gAHjtAg From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 12:37:37.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2B6A9F0:01C48C32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C32.9C04A194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Rick, I have been dealing with the woman that will be joining me to perform. = She may be able to get the best rate for our flight. So she needs more = detail about the trip. Can you provide me with the church address, the = motel address. This should be enough for her to check this out. =20 Again thank you for your patience. =20 Leo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C32.9C04A194 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hello Rick,
I=20 have been dealing with the woman that will be joining me to perform. = She may=20 be able to get the best rate for our flight. So she needs more detail = about=20 the trip. Can you provide me with the church address, the motel = address. This=20 should be enough for her to check this out.
 
Again thank you for your=20 patience.
 
Leo

------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C32.9C04A194-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 08:43:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RCf5x32642; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-From: Leo.Sauvageau@tetrapak.com Old-X-Envelope-To: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48C33.0552C2D0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Subject: RE: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <11174ADCC5125442BD7CA5A446B07F8C1370EE@usmpmbx01.tp1.ad1.tetrapak.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LRAD new sonic technology Thread-Index: AcSME8G056sDnGvNQQSQBrZsnmO5+gAH0Kpw From: "Sauvageau Leo" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 12:40:24.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[05C40650:01C48C33] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C33.0552C2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Rick, I have been dealing with the woman that will be joining me to perform. = She may be able to get the best rate for our flight. So she needs more = detail about the trip. Can you provide me with the church address, the = motel address. This should be enough for her to check this out. =20 Again thank you for your patience. =20 Leo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C33.0552C2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hello Rick,
I=20 have been dealing with the woman that will be joining me to perform. = She may=20 be able to get the best rate for our flight. So she needs more = detail about=20 the trip. Can you provide me with the church address, the motel = address.=20 This should be enough for her to check this out.
 
Again thank you for your=20 patience.
 
Leo

------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C33.0552C2D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 08:47:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RCkN300785; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040827072705.0d011978@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:41:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology In-Reply-To: References: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:15 AM 8/27/2004, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >hopefully at this point a more educated member of this list will chime in >and either provide more significant and thoughtful information or inform >me of my extreme mistaken-ness. either way, if you have more info on this >please chime in, as googling presented me with no reference pages to >include in this post. Eric, You might also try querying for the term ELF (Extremely Low Frequency), or even ULF (Ultra Low Frequency). I think LRAD is a fairly new term. I know this is the first time I've heard it formally to refer to this sort of thing. Scientists, including the government ones, have been researching this for years, and I can remember having conversations on this back in the 80's. Applications include everything from crowd control, as Per pointed out (some ULF frequencies have been shown to induce nausea and even vomitting) to reinforcement of brainwashing techniques (other frequency ranges can cause a subject to become more susceptible to suggestion). Biggest problem that I've seen come up is the difference in biology from subject to subject. You can be off by a fraction of a Hertz and miss the desired result. Obviously, it's easier to fine tune the experiment and get what you want if you're working with a single subject. For something like crowd control, it gets really dicey since you have so many individuals with which you're attempting to work. It makes it really hard to get consistent results across many people in a space. Also, for riot containment, you've got other issues like the amount of power you have to pump into these things to be effective, acoustic reflections out on the street causing your frequencies to get messed up, and, on the most pedestrian level, tear gas is just plain cheaper. I could see this likely getting more real play at Guantanamo Bay than the RNC. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 09:51:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RDo0R12943; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040827134915.16693.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH16 Reissue First Impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826214943.07e43ce8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > Hey Paolo, David, and Stan- > > I would really like it if you guys can contribute > EH16-II reviews for the > Looper's Delight web site! Especially since you have > such different Hey Kim, I'll update my review next week. Tonight will be my first use of this device in a band context, plus at least one more jam session this weekend. I'm sure I'll have more to say about it afterwards. I'll leave it up to Stan et. al. to supply the perspectives of people who used the original EH16. My evaluation of the reissue unit is based on what it can do for me and our band today, not how it compares to the original. Paolo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 10:02:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RDxVO16087; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:59:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:57:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c48c3d$dd42c210$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <59450A30-F815-11D8-8180-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haven't thought about this technology/methodology for some time. The 'low frequency to mess up your head and body' was also utilized by the industrial band Psychic TV for some time, as well as grunge rockers TAD. I think PTV was a bit more mercenary in their approach, where as TAD used it with a bit more adolescent humor. ("hey, look! That guy just shit himself! Isn't that hilarious?") As for the epileptic thing, I may possibly a very mild victim. I work in a digital photography and design studio. At times, I will sit in for the photographers to get their exposure levels prior to the arrival of the models. Even though it's not pulsing at a steady rate, those strobe lights leave me feeling disorientated and nauseous afterwards. And I had the fortune of seeing the William S. Burroughs art retrospective at the LA County Museum of Art quite a few years back. They had on display Burroughs & Bryon Gysin's 'Dream Machine', which supposedly put your mind into some sort of altered state when you closed your eyes and looked at the pulsing light. (yes, Bill and Bryon added drugs and gamelan music, but you get the picture). Whew...I just about lost it looking at that thing, and had a terrible headache for the remainder of the day. Guess I should avoid tree lined alleyways at sunset! Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology On Aug 27, 2004, at 12:15, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > yes. it's the same idea that the Nazis were using the 40s. > > they had a parabolic sound cannon which fired a 6.5 hz sine wave at > some obscene dB level that could blow a soldier apart ... if he stood > still for 4 minutes. > btw: notice anything particular about that frequency? it's the average > resonant frequency of the human body, which also happens to fall > within the 6-7 hz range which we find most musically pleasing for > vibrato. > > coincidence? Interesting idea, Eric! Now, that must be why Ben Websters tone feels like tearing me apart inside: It does!!! Guess I survived because I did move within four minutes ;-) BTW isn't that range of 6 to 7 hz the range that may trigger an epileptic reaction if you are disposed for it? I heard of traffic accidents where people have been driving at sunset through an alley with trees planted on a row at a distance that happened to create an 6 to 7 hz frequency of sun beam vs shadow. Unfortunate for epileptic drivers. And if you go a little lower you reach the frequency of INFRA NOISE that cause headache and sickness. Infra noise can be generated inside high buildings by the outside wind or the passing of heavy traffic. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com __________ NOD32 1.787 (20040612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 10:10:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RE2Rm16569; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040827140146.21370.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: GIG SPAM: 10 String Trio in DC, Sep. 5 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826214943.07e43ce8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our new band, 10 String Trio, will be part of the lineup for the September episode of The Electric Possible, a monthly series of concerts focused on electronic and improvisational music. I will be doing some audio looping with the EH16 and maybe some synth looping with either my Triwave Picogenerator or a Nord Micromodular "noodle". Further info (time, location, etc.) can be found here: http://www.panicresearch.com/electric_poss.html Paolo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 10:46:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7REhRu24893; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040827144213.53853.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:42:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electrix coming back? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006701c48a72$cf706150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. I always thought it was such a shame that a company with a group of mostly revered products could just evaporate like that. Sure the Repeater sucked them dry, probably due to higher than expected development costs, but what about all their other products? Sure, I'd like to see a Repeater II or even a software update to my current Repeater but don't forget their other products were great as well. Mark --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Wow, that just gave me a looping woody!!!!! > > Temperamental as it is, I adore my Repeater! > > R. > > > > > > Peter Toms wrote: > > "It's true. Details to come..... it's been bought by > someone new. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 11:15:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RFD8o01043; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:13:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1093619435!13773371 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557C3A@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EH16 Reissue First Impressions Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:04:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C48C47.1A9FBF60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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grrrr.... all this opinion, & one for sale already, &= amp; mine's still sitting in a bond-cage even though I already paid the imp= ort tax. thank you parcelfarce.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C48C47.1A9FBF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 12:26:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RGNLV23683; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:23:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:23:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <68.43791392.2e60b9ad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:22:05 EDT Subject: Re: OT LRAD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.43791392.2e60b9ad_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.43791392.2e60b9ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious: If someone can create a weapon using sound waves like that, wouldn't it be possible to create a device using sound waves that would nullify the weapon's effect. I don't know enough about physics of sound to answer that question. Any thoughts? Too bad some scientists think nothing of using technology in this sort of destructive manner! Dave --part1_68.43791392.2e60b9ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just curious:

If someone can create a weapon using sound waves like that, wouldn't it be p= ossible to create a device using sound waves that would nullify the weapon's= effect.
I don't know enough about physics of sound to answer that question.  An= y thoughts?

Too bad some scientists think nothing of using technology in this sort of de= structive manner!
Dave --part1_68.43791392.2e60b9ad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 13:21:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RHH0C02006; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nicholas Shortway Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:16:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's actually a very different idea than the Nazi's weapon. Hypersonic Sound utilizes ultrasonic sound waves to "encode" an incoming sound signal so that it can be reproduced directly in front of the listener. It relies on the "non-linearity principle" of air to cause collisions of ultrasonic sound waves to produce sum and difference frequencies of the colliding waves. Obviously the sum of ultrasonic waves will not even be close to audible frequencies, but the difference waves will be audible and will reproduce the input signal, and it will be extremely directed due to the precision of ultrasonic waves. While this could be used to produce ultra low frequencies such as 6.5Hz, the technology is designed simply to direct sound so that only certain people can hear it. I cannot provide a much more technical explanation, but if you search for Hypersonic Sound, you will find ATC's website with lots of technical docs on the process. Personally, I definitely understand how annoyingly it can be used as an advertising tool and more, but I think it has very novel uses for the field of sound art. Though, this might be just hopefulness coming from a Music Technology student. -Nick On Aug 27, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >> Check out this very creepy article about the LRAD............a sonic >> device that can be used as a weapon or as >> a crowd controller. > > yes. it's the same idea that the Nazis were using the 40s. > > they had a parabolic sound cannon which fired a 6.5 hz sine wave at > some obscene dB level that could blow a soldier apart ... if he stood > still for 4 minutes. > > there was a picture of one in the Time-Life book The Secret War, from > their WWII book series. > > they ended up using it for crowd control because getting the enemy to > stand still for several minutes is kind of difficult. > > btw: notice anything particular about that frequency? it's the average > resonant frequency of the human body, which also happens to fall > within the 6-7 hz range which we find most musically pleasing for > vibrato. > > coincidence? > > hopefully at this point a more educated member of this list will chime > in and either provide more significant and thoughtful information or > inform me of my extreme mistaken-ness. either way, if you have more > info on this please chime in, as googling presented me with no > reference pages to include in this post. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 15:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RJPmZ28331; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:25:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <412F8A71.000021.03780@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:24:33 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_XWD4A0V2QL8000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <68.43791392.2e60b9ad@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT LRAD X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_XWD4A0V2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable environment variables would not allow a noise signal to be phase canceled= in an open, non-controlled area. =0D =0D =0D PS: I was dropped to the floor with my eye balls shaking when a Front Of House tech decided to see how low a sub harmonics processor could be push= ed on a PA for a 50k seat show. 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Date: 08/27/04 09:= 23:46
Subject: Re: OT LR= AD
 
Just c= urious:

If someone can create a weapon using sound waves like that= , wouldn't it be possible to create a device using sound waves that would= nullify the weapon's effect.
I don't know enough about physics of sou= nd to answer that question.  Any thoughts?

Too bad some scien= tists think nothing of using technology in this sort of destructive manne= r!
Dave
 
--------------Boundary-00=_XWD4A0V2QL8000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 16:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RKaRK20425; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:36:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:36:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <68.43791392.2e60b9ad@aol.com> References: <68.43791392.2e60b9ad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:35:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT LRAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Just curious: > >If someone can create a weapon using sound waves like that, wouldn't >it be possible to create a device using sound waves that would >nullify the weapon's effect. >I don't know enough about physics of sound to answer that question. >Any thoughts? It doesn't work that way. As most of you probably know, it's much easier to make noise than it is to damp it. $500 will get you a brand-new 200W bass amp which will cost you more than $5000 to soundproof against -- perhaps a LOT more. >Too bad some scientists think nothing of using technology in this >sort of destructive manner! this is nothing -- they have some crazy stuff now (things that heat the surface of your skin with a beam remotely, for example) in the "non-lethal weaponry" category. I guess the only good thing to say about it is that it's not lethal. Sigh. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 17:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RLMMC30800; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c48c7c$38859b50$9e4dff17@steve> From: "stefano" To: References: <000701c48c2f$c603dcf0$01fea8c0@Andy> Subject: Re: Never do this Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:24:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48C8C.FBE81EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Disposition-Notification-To: "stefano" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48C8C.FBE81EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, turn it off/on a lot of times and the result was the same ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: RE: Never do this It is very unlikely that plugging the f/s in while it is on caused any = damage; I've done this 100s of times. Have you tried a parameter re-set? =20 -----Original Message----- From: stefano [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it]=20 Sent: 27 August 2004 10:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Never do this =20 Hi at all, I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping and I = had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the EDP was = plaing but the EDP started with distorced sound.I think is broken. Now I need a autorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there = someone who can help me? Stefano ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48C8C.FBE81EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, turn it off/on a lot of times and = the result=20 was the same
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 = 2:17=20 PM
Subject: RE: Never do = this

It is very = unlikely=20 that plugging the f/s in while it is on caused any damage; I=92ve done = this 100s=20 of times. Have you tried a parameter = re-set?

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = stefano=20 [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it]
Sent: 27 August 2004 = 10:48
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Never do = this

 

Hi at=20 all,

I want to tell this = experience about my Echoplex .I was looping and I had the = footpedal=20 unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the EDP was plaing but the = EDP=20 started with distorced sound.I think is=20 broken.

Now I need a autorized = lab to=20 repair it here in Rome Italy,there someone who can help=20 me?

Stefano

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48C8C.FBE81EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 17:53:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RLqJF05302; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT LRAD Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C48C45.60521280" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <68.43791392.2e60b9ad@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0sZzc.A.3PB.zz6LBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C48C45.60521280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know about you, but all this talk is making my pet dolphin really nervous. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT LRAD Just curious: If someone can create a weapon using sound waves like that, wouldn't it be possible to create a device using sound waves that would nullify the weapon's effect. I don't know enough about physics of sound to answer that question. Any thoughts? Too bad some scientists think nothing of using technology in this sort of destructive manner! Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C48C45.60521280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 don't know about you, but  all this talk is making my pet dolphin = really=20 nervous.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Violindave@aol.com = [mailto:Violindave@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 = 9:22=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT=20 LRAD

Just curious:

If someone can = create a weapon=20 using sound waves like that, wouldn't it be possible to create a = device using=20 sound waves that would nullify the weapon's effect.
I don't know = enough=20 about physics of sound to answer that question.  Any = thoughts?

Too=20 bad some scientists think nothing of using technology in this sort of=20 destructive manner!
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C48C45.60521280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 18:00:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RLwIR06133; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:03:27 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: OT LRAD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, William Walker wrote: > I don't know about you, but all this talk is making my pet dolphin really > nervous. > Bill Every dolphin must have his day. Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT LRAD > > > Just curious: > > If someone can create a weapon using sound waves like that, wouldn't it be > possible to create a device using sound waves that would nullify the > weapon's effect. > I don't know enough about physics of sound to answer that question. Any > thoughts? > > Too bad some scientists think nothing of using technology in this sort of > destructive manner! > Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 18:57:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RMtcV19823; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:45:40 +0200 From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: About echoplex In-reply-to: X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com salut, Bruno! > >I live in France. > >Impossible to find an Echoplex... > >Do you know a way to get it ? best in american shops like AltoMusic. Theoretically its is distributed in Europe but the price is so much higher than in US that no shops and hardly the distributors have them. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 18:57:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RMu9g19867; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:55:05 +0200 From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology In-reply-to: X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this thread immediately grew into two completely different fields: Ultrasound and Infrasound. very interesting! >It's actually a very different idea than the Nazi's weapon. >Hypersonic Sound utilizes ultrasonic sound waves to "encode" an >incoming sound signal so that it can be reproduced directly in front >of the listener. It relies on the "non-linearity principle" of air >to cause collisions of ultrasonic sound waves to produce sum and >difference frequencies of the colliding waves. Obviously the sum of >ultrasonic waves will not even be close to audible frequencies, but >the difference waves will be audible and will reproduce the input >signal, and it will be extremely directed due to the precision of >ultrasonic waves. While this could be used to produce ultra low >frequencies such as 6.5Hz, the technology is designed simply to >direct sound so that only certain people can hear it. I cannot >provide a much more technical explanation, but if you search for >Hypersonic Sound, you will find ATC's website with lots of technical >docs on the process. Personally, I definitely understand how >annoyingly it can be used as an advertising tool and more, but I >think it has very novel uses for the field of sound art. Though, >this might be just hopefulness coming from a Music Technology >student. never thought of that, thank you! seems the guys have only practical ideas for aplications that dont warm me, but we would end up doing different stuff... they dont say how good the sound quality really gets. Also, they only talk about using one source and hear only its distortions. the difference of two ultrasonc waves should become audible where the two meet in the right phase. Higher frequencies are more directed, so you can create two beems and where they meet much more should be audible than just with one beam. I wonder how exactly the sound can be produced by calculating the two ultrasonic waves. I suppose, if the two sound sources were mixtures of frequences (an ultrasonic orchestra), then different sounds would become audible in different spots. those sounds could be added to "ordinary" music, so when you walk arround in such a show you hear the basic music, enriched with sounds that change according to your movements. Could be stimulating for headbanging :-) oh, just now, I realize that Rick came up with this thread. no coincidence... relax, Rick. All inventions end up being used from both sides. seems to me like a great invention in hands like yours! Rick had said: >>>Finally, a cutting edge sonic technology that I DON"T want to purchase. >>> Check out this very creepy article about the LRAD............a >>>sonic device that can be used as a weapon or as >>> a crowd controller. >> and Sweet and Ty came up with a very differnt story: >>they had a parabolic sound cannon which fired a 6.5 hz sine wave at >>some obscene dB level that could blow a soldier apart ... if he >>stood still for 4 minutes. hm... not quite that drastic but there was also Jericho in the past... as oposed to the ultrasound, infrasound is very well spread, so its scary for us: We cannot run away, because we dont feel where it comes from! >> >>btw: notice anything particular about that frequency? it's the >>average resonant frequency of the human body, which also happens to >>fall within the 6-7 hz range which we find most musically pleasing >>for vibrato. >> >>coincidence? >> no... this is interesting... any instrument and loud speaker only vibrates nicely above its resonance. Below it can only move, with no tendency to repetition. 6 Hz means 360 waves per minutes, corresponding to 360 BPM, a rather "nervous" speed :-) its also where the eyes stop working, but still feels painful flickering. its a transition in our perception. whether an "average resonance" would matter, I dont, I dont know. But it seems to me that each of our elements have their own resonances. For example walking speed, breast swinging... :-) so maybe 6 Hz is rather the resonance of some organ or nerve system? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 19:41:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RNctu29106; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c48c8e$f5408ef0$cc073e18@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: "Sony Felberg" , References: <412F8A71.000021.03780@A7V266E-XP-USER> Subject: Re: OT LRAD Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:38:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C48C6D.6DF96000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C48C6D.6DF96000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable heh, i had a friend come over with a "racket" (a very low pitched double reed = mideval instrument). you gotta bite the reed (both top and bottom). = apparantly, it would also vibrate the fluid in your eyes (or your = retna), as if you played a low note while looking at the computer = screen, you could see the differance tones as waves on the screen. deknow ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sony Felberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: OT LRAD environment variables would not allow a noise signal to be phase = canceled in an open, non-controlled area.=20 PS: I was dropped to the floor with my eye balls shaking when a = Front Of House tech decided to see how low a sub harmonics processor = could be pushed on a PA for a 50k seat show. 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------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C48C6D.6DF96000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 19:52:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7RNpK531519; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <004301c48c13$ac466ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:50:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 27, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Nicholas Shortway wrote: > It's actually a very different idea than the Nazi's weapon. > Hypersonic Sound utilizes ultrasonic sound waves to "encode" an > incoming sound signal so that it can be reproduced directly in front > of the listener. It relies on the "non-linearity principle" of air to > cause collisions of ultrasonic sound waves to produce sum and > difference frequencies of the colliding waves. Obviously the sum of > ultrasonic waves will not even be close to audible frequencies, but > the difference waves will be audible and will ah, thank you for the clarification. i did not RTFA well enough. funny .. i thought we were going to get awesome PA speakers out of this technology, not weapons. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 20:55:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7S0rDq11913; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:16:23 +0200 From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Never do this In-reply-to: <001301c48c7c$38859b50$9e4dff17@steve> X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <000701c48c2f$c603dcf0$01fea8c0@Andy> <001301c48c7c$38859b50$9e4dff17@steve> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >No, turn it off/on a lot of times and the result was the same he ment to start with Param button pressed to reset the parameters. I doubt that it will fix a distortion thought. more even I doubt that the pluging of just the pedal caused it. maybe you connected some other machine with a different grounding or so? did you test it in a totally different surrounding, no pedal, just a mic and some different amp connected? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Andy Ewen >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:17 PM >Subject: RE: Never do this > >It is very unlikely that plugging the f/s in while it is on caused >any damage; I’ve done this 100s of times. Have you tried a parameter >re-set? > >-----Original Message----- >From: stefano [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it] >Sent: 27 August 2004 10:48 >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Never do this > >Hi at all, >I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping >and I had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the >EDP was plaing but the EDP started with distorced sound.I think is >broken. >Now I need a autorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there >someone who can help me? >Stefano -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 27 23:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7S3dCs03619; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:39:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <155.3d6a774a.2e61583f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:38:39 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20OT:=A0=A0=20LRAD=20we=20cannot=20run=20away?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?!?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_155.3d6a774a.2e61583f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <-yRtAC.A.31.J5_LBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_155.3d6a774a.2e61583f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/04 6:55:31 PM, matthias@grob.org writes: > infrasound is very well spread, so its > scary for us: We cannot run away, because we dont feel where it comes > from! > > just when i thought it was safe to leave my studio!.....thnaks matthias.....and thnaks to every one else!.....michael --part1_155.3d6a774a.2e61583f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/27/04 6:55:31 PM, matthias@grob.org writes:


infrasound is very well spread,= so its
scary for us: We cannot run away, because we dont feel where it comes
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just when i thought it was safe to leave my studio!.....thnaks matthias.....= and thnaks to every one else!.....michael --part1_155.3d6a774a.2e61583f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 04:00:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7S7w7005756; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: OT: LRAD new sonic technology Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:57:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:51:28 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.250.40 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <6eckDB.A.LZB.irDMBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > this thread immediately grew into two completely different fields: > Ultrasound and Infrasound. I heard a radio feature yesterday about bats and the ultrasound that they make. This guy had a bat detector, a small handheld device that one can point towards where one thinks bats are, and the device (which has a mike in front and a small speaker on top) translates the ultrasound into human range sound, so one can find the bats easier. He used a rustling plastic bag, a tinkling ring of keys, and a noisy PC monitor to demonstrate how everyday sound sources (even the ones that seem to be quiet) produce ultrasound, translating their ultrasound into sound that one could hear. And the best thing was: there is a bat detector for kids available here in Germany for 40 Euros (from Kosmos), complete with a CD of bat sounds. A new toy to play with! I've ordered it immediately but haven't received it yet. Has anyone used bat detectors as special sound/effect for their music yet? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 05:57:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7S9tal20936; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:55:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:55:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004501c48a27$d59e8570$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <004501c48a27$d59e8570$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--584470021 Message-Id: <33907F9E-F8D8-11D8-BAB4-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> From: drop_d Subject: Was (blank)--syncing EDP to Electribe ER-1 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:54:06 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--584470021 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Doug mentioned syncing an EDP to an Electribe ER-1. I missed out on the MPC2000xl, so I'm back to the drawing board. I read in one of the reviews of the ER-1 that there is quite a bit of latency with the MIDI. For reference the comments are at the very end of this article. http://www.inthemix.com.au/life/gear/14988/ Did you or anyone else using an ER-1 find that to be the case. Will it be a problem when using it with the EDP. I would be using it mainly live. Thanks, Philip --Apple-Mail-4--584470021 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hiragino Kaku Gothic ProDoug mentioned syncing an EDP to an Electribe ER-1. I missed out on the MPC2000xl, so I'm back to the drawing board. I read in one of the reviews of the ER-1 that there is quite a bit of latency with the MIDI. For reference the comments are at the very end of this article. http://www.inthemix.com.au/life/gear/14988/ Did you or anyone else using an ER-1 find that to be the case. Will it be a problem when using it with the EDP. I would be using it mainly live. Thanks, Philip --Apple-Mail-4--584470021-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 06:15:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SACqY24407; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:12:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:12:06 +0200 From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Was (blank)--syncing EDP to Electribe ER-1 In-reply-to: <33907F9E-F8D8-11D8-BAB4-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <004501c48a27$d59e8570$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <33907F9E-F8D8-11D8-BAB4-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Doug mentioned syncing an EDP to an Electribe ER-1. I missed out on >the MPC2000xl, so I'm back to the drawing board. I read in one of >the reviews of the ER-1 that there is quite a bit of latency with >the MIDI. For reference the comments are at the very end of this >article. > >http://www.inthemix.com.au/life/gear/14988/ > >Did you or anyone else using an ER-1 find that to be the case. Will >it be a problem when using it with the EDP. I would be using it >mainly live. > >Thanks, > >Philip Bernhard Wagner and me had a jam recently with DJ Samim Winiger and his friend. We slaved our EDPs to th ER-1 and LIVE (I dont know in which order) and it was fun and easy. latency is not that critical since you probably play and record into the EDP while listening to the sequencer, so you immediately compensate for any offset. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 12:44:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SGg1D19147; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c48d1e$6eea4a40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040822205834.SVVV27028.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Native Instruments Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:45:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.168.204] at Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:41:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone have any experience with it? This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to carry road-case. http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 12:48:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SGks620972; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1C16Lf3nzy-0003d1@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Native Instruments Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:46:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000401c48d1e$6eea4a40$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSNHhckE0c0cq32SrC8FSWp8ynRLgAAEC8A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just playing with the demo last night. There are actually some really good presets in there- and no detectable latency on my system. I'd be interested if someone actually starts performing with something like this. Go ahead, try the demo (its free). Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone have any > experience with it? > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to carry road-case. > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 13:40:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SHcWZ31164; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040828173803.35030.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: Native Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c48d1e$6eea4a40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4gcGTD.A.WmH.BMMMBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone > have any experience with > it? > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to > carry road-case. > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > > I've used it a bit and it sounds pretty good but in the end it sounds like you're plugging straight in and using a plug in - :) You can spend about $400 on this or $99 on a Guitar Port that does about the same thing and sounds just as good (IMO) - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 14:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SIqnV14552; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:52:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:52:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d0408281152334a19f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:52:01 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Native Instruments In-Reply-To: <20040828173803.35030.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040828173803.35030.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5RFIVB.A.CfD.SRNMBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sent native instruments and email asking about a sound on sound delay option: > Hi, > Can guitar rig be used for \"sound on sound\" loop recording like a Gibson > Echoplex, Lexicon Jamman or Electrix Repeater? How long is the maximum delay > time? Thanks, > > -Art > Dear Art, a loop delay effect will be added in one of the next updates. best regards Jan Kind of a vague reply, but it would be very cool if they had a powerful delay option in one of the updates. > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:38:03 -0700 (PDT), | SquidLoop | wrote: > > > > --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > > > I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone > > have any experience with > > it? > > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to > > carry road-case. > > > > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > > > > > > I've used it a bit and it sounds pretty good but in > the end it sounds like you're plugging straight in and > using a plug in - :) > > You can spend about $400 on this or $99 on a Guitar > Port that does about the same thing and sounds just as > good (IMO) - > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 15:29:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SJREs25406; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040828192641.84784.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: Native Instruments To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0408281152334a19f7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought it already had a loop module in there? --- Art Simon wrote: > I sent native instruments and email asking about a > sound on sound delay option: > > > Hi, > > Can guitar rig be used for \"sound on sound\" loop > recording like a Gibson > > Echoplex, Lexicon Jamman or Electrix Repeater? How > long is the maximum delay > > time? Thanks, > > > > -Art > > > > Dear Art, > > a loop delay effect will be added in one of the next > updates. > > best regards > Jan > > Kind of a vague reply, but it would be very cool if > they had a > powerful delay option in one of the updates. > > > > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:38:03 -0700 (PDT), | > SquidLoop | > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > > > > > > > I just was alerted to this software. Does > anyone > > > have any experience with > > > it? > > > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful > to > > > carry road-case. > > > > > > > > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > > > > > > > > > > I've used it a bit and it sounds pretty good but > in > > the end it sounds like you're plugging straight in > and > > using a plug in - :) > > > > You can spend about $400 on this or $99 on a > Guitar > > Port that does about the same thing and sounds > just as > > good (IMO) - > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 16:24:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SKMI805553; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040828202135.57222.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Native Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c48d1e$6eea4a40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I checked out the demo and was underwhelmed. Pretty good sound but like someone else said, "sounded like a plug-in." For the same money I got the Vox Tonelab SE and I don't have to drag around a laptop to play. It also has an 8 sec looper amoung other things. I've got a really nice little mini rig now that consists of a guitar, Tonelab SE, mixer, Electro-Harmonix EH-16II and a Boss VF-1. Fits in a med dufflebag, works like a charm. If I'm feeling crazy I can stuff a drum machine in there too. Mark --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone > have any experience with > it? > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to > carry road-case. > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 18:08:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SM5MD01962; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c48d4b$5daaba30$9e4dff17@steve> From: "stefano" To: References: <000701c48c2f$c603dcf0$01fea8c0@Andy> <001301c48c7c$38859b50$9e4dff17@steve> Subject: Re: Never do this Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:07:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll try Monday morning and I 'll let you known the result,but I think that maybe some electrostatic charge was in the plug or in me in that moment. But my setup was the same for years and I didn't connect new or other machine. Mesa boogie Triaxis;Art sgx 2000;Digitech 8sec. delay and the Echoplex. I use a 395 Mesaboogie and 2 Hughes and Kettner cabinet. Thanks a lot for your help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Never do this > >No, turn it off/on a lot of times and the result was the same > > he ment to start with Param button pressed to reset the parameters. > I doubt that it will fix a distortion thought. > more even I doubt that the pluging of just the pedal caused it. > maybe you connected some other machine with a different grounding or so? > > did you test it in a totally different surrounding, no pedal, just a > mic and some different amp connected? > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Andy Ewen > >To: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight .com > >Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:17 PM > >Subject: RE: Never do this > > > >It is very unlikely that plugging the f/s in while it is on caused > >any damage; I've done this 100s of times. Have you tried a parameter > >re-set? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: stefano [mailto:stefano.pontani@fastwebnet.it] > >Sent: 27 August 2004 10:48 > >To: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight .com > >Subject: Never do this > > > >Hi at all, > >I want to tell this experience about my Echoplex .I was looping > >and I had the footpedal unplugged,so I decided to plug it when the > >EDP was plaing but the EDP started with distorced sound.I think is > >broken. > >Now I need a autorized lab to repair it here in Rome Italy,there > >someone who can help me? > >Stefano > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 18:19:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7SMHuR05569; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.131e7e78.2e625e36@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:16:22 EDT Subject: Re: OT: LRAD new sonic technology To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.131e7e78.2e625e36_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9a.131e7e78.2e625e36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/2004 1:57:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mp@mpeters.de writes: > Has anyone used bat detectors as special sound/effect for their music yet? > Bret Moreland ,a former list member, is working with one of these amongst other devices in pursuit of field recordings and other results.FYI bryan helm --part1_9a.131e7e78.2e625e36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/2004 1:57:4= 0 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mp@mpeters.de writes:

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            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;    bryan helm --part1_9a.131e7e78.2e625e36_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 20:27:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7T0P5u01277; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:08:52 +0200 From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: since this list started In-reply-to: <9a.131e7e78.2e625e36@aol.com> X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <9a.131e7e78.2e625e36@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, Bryan has been one of the first 10 members of this list, 8 years ago... how have you been? you did not lurk all this time, did you? whats your impression? how did the list develop since then? anybody else here since then? >In a message dated 8/28/2004 1:57:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >mp@mpeters.de writes: > >>Has anyone used bat detectors as special sound/effect for their music yet? >> > > >Bret Moreland ,a former list member, is working with one of these >amongst other devices in pursuit of field recordings and other >results.FYI > > bryan helm -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 28 22:21:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7T1Te211642; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:29:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:29:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: EDP displays n id Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:26:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C48D2C.8C58E510" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD70349177D@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSJ4kb5tTq/U/csQOieD7AwjmS9+wDg688Q Message-Id: <20040829012627.FFRO28132.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C48D2C.8C58E510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what does it mean when the EDP displays something that looks like an n, then id and stops recording or play back? it goes away when I push the Parameter button, but comes back on after a while I tried to find it in the manual, but no luck. thanks, Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C48D2C.8C58E510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP MIDI Clock reception
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thanks,
Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C48D2C.8C58E510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 04:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7T87Vu29328; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Woz mail" To: Subject: RE: Native Instruments Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:06:49 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20040828202135.57222.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6ADetC.A.WIH.t6YMBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I tried it out and wasn't impressed with the guitar tones and I did experience some latency. I'm running pro tools on a 64bit Athlon chip with a gig of ram. The trippy sounds are great though. Nice reverse delays :) I was hoping this program could let me just use a laptop live instead of hauling the rig around but the guitat tones just arn't there yet. -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Native Instruments I checked out the demo and was underwhelmed. Pretty good sound but like someone else said, "sounded like a plug-in." For the same money I got the Vox Tonelab SE and I don't have to drag around a laptop to play. It also has an 8 sec looper amoung other things. I've got a really nice little mini rig now that consists of a guitar, Tonelab SE, mixer, Electro-Harmonix EH-16II and a Boss VF-1. Fits in a med dufflebag, works like a charm. If I'm feeling crazy I can stuff a drum machine in there too. Mark --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone > have any experience with > it? > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to > carry road-case. > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 10:49:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TEl4x10299; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2FD1E7B9-F9CA-11D8-BD91-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice: Lakewood, WA and Portland, OR Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:46:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two out of town shows this week: September 3, Friday 8-10PM, Starbucks (Lakewood) 5700 100th SW September 4, Saturday 7-9PM, Touchstone Coffee (Portland) 7631 NE Glisan St http://www.touchstonecoffeehouse.com/map.html Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 14:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TIF0w08142; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c48df4$7bd4d960$05eda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Native Instruments Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:17:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.237.5] at Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:13:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the feedback. I guess I'll continue dragging that rack of effects afterall... :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woz mail" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:06 AM Subject: RE: Native Instruments > Yeah, I tried it out and wasn't impressed with the guitar tones and I did > experience some latency. I'm running pro tools on a 64bit Athlon chip with a > gig of ram. The trippy sounds are great though. Nice reverse delays :) I was > hoping this program could let me just use a laptop live instead of hauling > the rig around but the guitat tones just arn't there yet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Native Instruments > > > I checked out the demo and was underwhelmed. Pretty > good sound but like someone else said, "sounded like a > plug-in." For the same money I got the Vox Tonelab SE > and I don't have to drag around a laptop to play. It > also has an 8 sec looper amoung other things. I've > got a really nice little mini rig now that consists of > a guitar, Tonelab SE, mixer, Electro-Harmonix EH-16II > and a Boss VF-1. Fits in a med dufflebag, works like > a charm. If I'm feeling crazy I can stuff a drum > machine in there too. > > Mark > > --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > > > I just was alerted to this software. Does anyone > > have any experience with > > it? > > This may be the way to dump my heavy and painful to > > carry road-case. > > > > > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us > > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 15:39:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TJbC123639; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829123443.089b2bb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:36:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP displays n id In-Reply-To: <20040829012627.FFRO28132.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicCompute r> References: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD70349177D@bioebe.biotek.com> <20040829012627.FFRO28132.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:26 PM 8/28/2004, you wrote: >what does it mean when the EDP displays something that looks like an n, >then id and stops recording or play back? it goes away when I push the >Parameter button, but comes back on after a while I tried to find it in >the manual, but no luck. It sounds to me like it might be the midi error message. It would do that when there is some problem with midi data it receives. Are you using midi? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 15:56:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TJrsp28188; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000f01c48df4$7bd4d960$05eda344@hppav> References: <000f01c48df4$7bd4d960$05eda344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <102B216E-F9F5-11D8-9244-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Native Instruments Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:53:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 29, 2004, at 20:17, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. I guess I'll continue dragging that rack of > effects afterall... :-( I came to the same conclusion after trying out the demo some weeks ago. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 16:34:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TKWPh08363; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:32:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:32:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040829203119.1644.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Son of Electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200408291939.i7TJdO024565@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gang, Yes the rumors are true. Some guy in L.A. has purchased the entire Electrix line and hopes to be rereleasing them sometime next year. A friend of mine up here in Seattle who was the main Electrix repair outfit has signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement with him, evidently they are up to something... I gave him a call as soon as I heard these rumors. Man, it sounds too good to be true. I do wonder whether the prices will reflect current eBay price gouging (like on the Repeater) or price drops (like on all their other gear due to Guitar Center blowout pricing). Or perhaps just return to cost plus markup... gee what a concept! Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 17:52:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TLoV629133; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040829203119.1644.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040829203119.1644.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <62622D6C-FA05-11D8-9A7E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Son of Electrix Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:50:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Aug 29, 2004, at 3:31 PM, S V G wrote: > Yes the rumors are true. Some guy in L.A. has purchased the > entire Electrix line and hopes > to be rereleasing them sometime next year. A friend of mine up here > in Seattle who was the main maybe if they fixed the stupid issues with the Repeater i'd own a pair of them. it really was a great looper. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 18:05:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7TM3IS32597; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:03:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: EDP displays n id Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:02:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829123443.089b2bb0@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcSN/8JY8ZVUWQX6QvumOTUjf6bDvAAAreHQ Message-Id: <20040829220247.PYOG23380.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <3ZnK4D.A.E8H.TKlMBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was trying to sync to an external midi clock, using the instructions in example 4.1. The master is a synth, playing several layered arpegiated patches, like a bass line, an electronic piano, and it plays for awhile, after it's recorded, and then stops. It might just me an overload? Tom *************************** It sounds to me like it might be the midi error message. It would do that when there is some problem with midi data it receives. Are you using midi? Kim **************************** At 06:26 PM 8/28/2004, you wrote: >what does it mean when the EDP displays something that looks like an n, >then id and stops recording or play back? it goes away when I push the >Parameter button, but comes back on after a while I tried to find it >in the manual, but no luck. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 21:14:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7U1C8r26105; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:12:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:12:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829180520.053cf448@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:11:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP displays n id In-Reply-To: <20040829220247.PYOG23380.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicCompute r> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829123443.089b2bb0@loopers-delight.com> <20040829220247.PYOG23380.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:02 PM 8/29/2004, Tom Rex wrote: >I was trying to sync to an external midi clock, using the instructions in >example 4.1. > >The master is a synth, playing several layered arpegiated patches, like a >bass line, an electronic piano, and it plays for awhile, after it's >recorded, and then stops. It might just me an overload? Most likely there is some problem related to that midi stream. The synth may be sending a lot of stuff other than the clock. The echoplex should ignore stuff not meant for it, so there is still some problem. Maybe the synth sends some spurious data, or something is nor formatted right, hard to tell. If all you need from that midi stream is the clock, you might be able to set up the synth to only send clock and nothing else. Or get some external filter box to filter everything else out. If you use a PC, the midi-ox program is a great way to check midi data and debug problems like this. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 29 22:38:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7U2bDq18099; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:37:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:37:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: EDP displays n id Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829180520.053cf448@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcSOLv2+HSXN1RSxSciGjO6DZAboXQACmDKQ Message-Id: <20040830023634.OPDM566.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Kim. I downloaded the midi-ox program today, based on earlier posts regarding: EDP MIDI Clock reception, so I'll check it out. Also, I guess I can use either Live or Cubase to sync everything, and make all the instruments slave to it. I'll see if that eliminates the EDP stopping. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP displays n id At 03:02 PM 8/29/2004, Tom Rex wrote: >I was trying to sync to an external midi clock, using the instructions >in example 4.1. > >The master is a synth, playing several layered arpegiated patches, like >a bass line, an electronic piano, and it plays for awhile, after it's >recorded, and then stops. It might just me an overload? Most likely there is some problem related to that midi stream. The synth may be sending a lot of stuff other than the clock. The echoplex should ignore stuff not meant for it, so there is still some problem. Maybe the synth sends some spurious data, or something is nor formatted right, hard to tell. If all you need from that midi stream is the clock, you might be able to set up the synth to only send clock and nothing else. Or get some external filter box to filter everything else out. If you use a PC, the midi-ox program is a great way to check midi data and debug problems like this. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 30 05:46:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7U9hwZ05386; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200408291939.i7TJdO824562@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200408291939.i7TJdO824562@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:43:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Bass looping... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High; My cd "Exquisite Noise" is now up and available on cdBaby. For those of you who are interested in drones, noise and textual (rather than harmonic) organisation, check it out here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw . Happy to all. -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Drone masterpieces and Loopadelica at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 30 11:36:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7UFXeA02899; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <200408291939.i7TJdO824562@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Software tip: Augustus Loop 1.1.0 - Audio Unit looping device Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:32:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <4oKDPD.A.Mp.Mi0MBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just heard that the beta upgrade I've been looping with for a while on my PowerBook is now going into full version release. And I noticed that this version is now presented as "a looping device" not just "a tape delay simulation". Very accurate IMHO - it rocks ;-D Info, links and short feature list at http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23610 All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 30 12:19:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7UFm1B06063; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040830084104.00bcc160@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:46:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sony Felberg Subject: Ringtones? In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1C16Lf3nzy-0003d1@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <000401c48d1e$6eea4a40$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, is anyone out there interested in writing original material cel phone ringtones? I wont spam the group with a sales pitch. If you are, please mail me back at sony@movaya.com. Looking for composers whom can supply 40 to +100 ringtones over the next 12 months. I now return you to your regular technical discussion. tx! 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Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C48EDA.19B7B0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not mine but I thought it would be of=20 interest...
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?= ViewItem&item=3D3745268298&ssPageName=3DADME:B:SS:DE:1=
 
Zero feedback seller, buyer = beware?
 
Stephen
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C48EDA.19B7B0E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 30 19:30:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7UNSGp23525; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <26ba8d120408301627736ce753@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:27:33 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: just for LD list members... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have done this before... I have gmail invitations to give out to LD members. If you're interested, please contact me off-list. I've had it for a while now and finally move all my email there over the weekend... now I'm wondering why I didn't do it before. It's a different and IMHO much better way to do email. Disclaimer: I'm a google engineer so I'm biased. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 31 14:07:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7VI3Js26739; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: EDP for sale in Europe Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:02:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c48f84$abb5f420$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C48F8D.0D7A5C20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004a01c48ec9$e663fe20$38a2fe91@synthhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C48F8D.0D7A5C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed he pulled it for a bizarre reason: =20 The seller ended this listing early because the item was lost or broken. =20 Still, his start price was a bit optimistic for a 10-year old piece of kit :-)=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]=20 Sent: 30 August 2004 20:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP for sale in Europe =20 Not mine but I thought it would be of interest... =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3D3745268298&ssPageName=3DADME:B:SS:DE:1 =20 Zero feedback seller, buyer beware? =20 Stephen =20 =20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) =20 Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C48F8D.0D7A5C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I noticed he pulled it for a = bizarre reason:

 

The seller ended this listing early because = the item was lost or broken.

 

Still, his start price was a bit = optimistic for a 10-year old piece of kit J

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: 30 August 2004 = 20:41
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP for sale in = Europe

 

Not mine but I thought it = would be of interest...

 

 

Zero feedback seller, buyer = beware?

 

Stephen

 

 

"Human beings are a = disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." = (Agent Smith / Matrix)

 

Visit the official = [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C48F8D.0D7A5C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 31 17:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7VLJDp24751; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:19:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:19:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <159.3e199481.2e66450d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:18:05 EDT Subject: Re: since this list started To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.3e199481.2e66450d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.3e199481.2e66450d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/2004 6:25:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > wow, Bryan has been one of the first 10 members of this list, 8 years > ago... > how have you been? > you did not lurk all this time, did you? > > whats your impression? > how did the list develop since then? > > Well since you asked so nicely Matthias I'll let you ,and anyone else who cares to know ,the answers to these questions( keeping in mind the need for loop content).First off - I've been unemployed since the end off March which has left adequate time to become fairly human both physically and mentaly but the cash flow logistics suck for most pursuits,artistic or otherwise. However a month or so into this unpaid vacation my friend Bret Moreland gave me one of the infamous "Chinese" lap steels of recent LD list fame, so I've been dicking around learning and looping with it and the results are sometimes beautiful or amusing ,,or not. I fried the power supply in my synth at the same gig I got the lap steel so the choice was obvious. As a result all the recording I've done this summer has been lap steel and drum loops,just to make myself do something rather than nothing.I still just use a JamMan sometimes with a Vortex but lately not,so as to clean up the signal path for the lap steel, and I just record to MD to archive it. I'm supposed to loop and record with the other members of BrotherSync this week in pursuit of a 3rd CD's worth of trax.. we'll see what transpires there.Secondly- No I have not lurked all this time. But the scarce nature of my posts is in direct relation to my basic techno-primitve stance on looping compared to many people on the list's more technically informed workings, I have nothing of interest to add many times. Also the few times I have contributed information I know to be true and relevant to the thread in question, I've been given verbal grief by some other fleeting list member over my use of linguistics and semantics and waste of bandwidth, so why bother. If you look at my outdated LD profile you'll note that I've looped since 1978, so I aint likely to stop just cause people don't like what I do, but I have stopped inviting them to the gig.Thirdly-What is my impression? My current overwhelming impression is that these are difficult days for sensitive people and I fear for all childrens' well being in a world such as this one.But I think you mean to couple that inquiry with the nature of the list's evolution as it were...Well nothing more loving/scathing was ever posted about the nature of the LD list than the famous "Loser's Delete" post of years past, but I do have my own perspective to share.My impression of the list is that over the past 8 years there has been a steady flow of new loop hardware (mostly software) ,that is constantly re-defining what the state of the art is in looping technology.One of the results of this process in regards to the LD list is that the people who are using new loop systems get very involved in their move toward modern looping procedures and as a result usually lose interest in the "retro" aspects of older loop devices, which are all some people on the list are able or willing to use anyway. I believe the gap between users that arises as a result of this ,usually causes people to seek out a list that is more specific to their looping device or platform of choice. The LD list is always at its best when the context of the discussion is more music/sound/loop in nature, rather than gear specific prattle.Probably the single most notable milepost to mark the decline of the wider loop thread presence on this list was the fallout from 9-11-01.I believe that some of the posts that appeared on the list in the weeks following that event were signifigant in causing some people to re-define their need to participate in this forum. However I believe the list is still the best overall portal to begin one's journey into the loop information experience, and I doubt if I'll feel the need to "uncircumsize" myself from it anytime soon.But then again I haven't read any of the posts subsequent to this one...so......thanx again for asking. How about you Matthias? sincerely, bryan helm --part1_159.3e199481.2e66450d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/2004 6:25:1= 4 PM Mountain Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:

wow, Bryan has been one of the=20= first 10 members of this list, 8 years ago...
how have you been?
you did not lurk all this time, did you?

whats your impression?
how did the list develop since then?



    Well since you asked so nicely Matthias I'll let you ,and= anyone else who cares to know ,the answers to these questions( keeping in m= ind the need for loop content).First off - I've been unemployed since the en= d off March which has left adequate time to become fairly human both physica= lly and mentaly but the cash flow logistics suck for most pursuits,artistic=20= or otherwise. However a month or so into this unpaid vacation my friend Bret= Moreland gave me one of the infamous "Chinese" lap steels of recent LD list= fame, so I've been dicking around learning and looping with it and the resu= lts are sometimes beautiful or amusing ,,or not. I fried the power supply in= my synth at the same gig I got the lap steel so the choice was obvious. As=20= a result all the recording I've done this summer has been lap steel and drum= loops,just to make myself do something rather than nothing.I still just use= a JamMan sometimes with a Vortex but lately not,so as to clean up the signa= l path for the lap steel, and I just record to MD to archive it. I'm suppose= d to loop and record with the other members of BrotherSync this week in purs= uit of a 3rd CD's worth of trax.. we'll see what transpires there.Secondly-=20= No I have not lurked all this time. But the scarce nature of my posts is in=20= direct relation to my basic techno-primitve stance on looping compared to ma= ny people on the list's more technically informed workings, I have nothing o= f interest to add many times. Also the few times I have contributed informat= ion I know to be true and relevant to the thread in question, I've been give= n verbal grief by some other fleeting list member over my use of linguistics= and semantics and waste of bandwidth, so why bother. If you look at my outd= ated LD profile you'll note that I've looped since 1978, so I aint likely to= stop just cause people don't like what I do, but I have stopped inviting th= em to the gig.Thirdly-What is my impression? My current overwhelming impress= ion is that these are difficult days for sensitive people and I fear for all= childrens' well being in a world such as this one.But I think you mean to c= ouple that inquiry with the nature of the list's evolution as it were...Well= nothing more loving/scathing was ever posted about the nature of the LD lis= t than the famous "Loser's Delete" post of years past, but I do have my own=20= perspective to share.My impression of the list is that over the past 8 years= there has been a steady flow of new loop hardware (mostly software) ,that i= s constantly re-defining what the state of the art is in looping technology.= One of the results of this
process in regards to the LD list is that the people who are using new loop=20= systems get very involved in their move toward modern looping procedures and= as a result usually lose interest in the "retro" aspects of older loop devi= ces, which are all some people on the list are able or willing to use anyway= . I believe the gap between users that arises as a result of this ,usually c= auses people to seek out a list that is more specific to their looping devic= e or platform of choice. The LD list is always at its best when the context=20= of the discussion is more music/sound/loop in nature, rather than gear speci= fic prattle.Probably the single most notable milepost to mark the decline of= the wider loop thread presence on this list was the fallout from 9-11-01.I=20= believe that some of the posts that appeared on the list in the weeks follow= ing that event were signifigant in causing some people to re-define their ne= ed to participate in this forum.
However I believe the list is still the best overall portal to begin one's j= ourney into the loop information experience, and I doubt if I'll feel the ne= ed to  "uncircumsize" myself from it anytime soon.But then again I have= n't read any of the posts subsequent to this one...so......thanx again for a= sking. How about you Matthias?

            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp; sincerely,
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =     bryan helm
 --part1_159.3e199481.2e66450d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 31 21:39:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i811c4H00433; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c48fc5$2d476740$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: OT: Behringer FCB1010 For Sale Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C48FA3.A6036CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_mPUL.A.0F.afSNBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C48FA3.A6036CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all: If anyone's interested, I have a mint condition Behringer FCB1010 for = sale. The eBay URL is: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3745801705 I could sell it off eBay if a buyer would agree to that. I only used the = pedal briefly at home to drive a Repeater. Hence, it's essentially like = new. E-mail me off-list if interested. Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C48FA3.A6036CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, all:
 
If anyone's interested, I have a mint = condition=20 Behringer FCB1010 for sale. The eBay URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3745801= 705
 
I could sell it off eBay if a buyer = would agree to=20 that. I only used the pedal briefly at home to drive a Repeater. Hence, = it's=20 essentially like new.
 
E-mail me off-list if = interested.
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C48FA3.A6036CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 31 21:43:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i811fOQ01292; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:41:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <007301c48fc5$2d476740$885bd618@knology.net> References: <007301c48fc5$2d476740$885bd618@knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <88DECCE8-FBB8-11D8-9C9F-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: philip Subject: Re: OT: Behringer FCB1010 For Sale Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:59 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are you charging for it? Can you send it to Japan? (Of course, I would pay for shipping) Can I pay via Paypal? I've got a few minutes before an auction ends here. Philip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 31 21:48:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i811kSF02206; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:46:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <88DECCE8-FBB8-11D8-9C9F-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> References: <007301c48fc5$2d476740$885bd618@knology.net> <88DECCE8-FBB8-11D8-9C9F-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <432AF596-FBB9-11D8-9C9F-000A959A28CC@oct.zaq.ne.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: philip Subject: Re: OT: Behringer FCB1010 For Sale Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:50:12 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry!! Should've checked the address before pressing "send." Philip