From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 00:35:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i614XXO19167; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:32:29 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ~BACK TO MONO~ > On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote:... ... >> Or pick up a Manecolooper as the 2nd looper. The >> Elite version has MIDI clock out too, though I have no >> idea how you'd sync two looper pedals which both >> output MIDI clock. >> > > Yeah, it's not that important. If I were to have to buy a second unit > to get stereo, I'd go for another Repeater. I'm just saying. For the > EH16's main purpose I don't need it to be stereo as it is to be part of > my Special Ops rig when I need to get into a gig, loop and leave in a > hurry. > > Cheerio, > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 00:49:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i614mHg21123; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:48:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <155.3897e8bf.2e14f171@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:47:45 EDT Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i614lvh21065 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 6/30/04 8:39:54 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Special Ops rig Cool way of describing the smaller rigs a number of us seem to be trying to develop (after years of big racks and even bigger backaches). 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 01:50:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i615mpM28883; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630225012.0434fbe0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:56:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Insert mode questions In-Reply-To: <02be01c45ed9$d8506c80$707638d4@computername> References: <200406290649.i5T6nVA12067@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040629115809.02810ca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <02be01c45ed9$d8506c80$707638d4@computername> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4oOPSD.A.xCH.qW64AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:38 PM 6/30/2004, Dave Sturt wrote: > > >Quantize has three "on" values: cycle, sub-cycle, and loop. When > > >starting an Insert, are all three of these treated as if they > > >were "cycle", or is it possible to quantize the beginning > > >of an insert to a sub-cycle or loop? > > > > Yes, that's a fault in the manual. > >In Loop3 there was only Quant=CYC ( or OFF), > >and it seems that sentence didn't get updated to cover the new > >settings. hmm, oops. sorry! As Andy explained, quantizing applies in the same way to all the features that quantize. So Insert would follow the setting, and wait for the next 8th, cycle, or loop point depending on how it is set. >Hi - is this the only mistake in the manual - or are there any other known >errors??? I think I mainly fixed errors from the old manual, and hopefully didn't introduce any new ones with the new material. (besides the one above!) Nobody has mentioned any others so far, so let's keep our fingers crossed. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 01:55:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i615s5029329; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:54:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630225816.04437fd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:01:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Maneco products In-Reply-To: <20040630185530.7E6A57276@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20040630185530.7E6A57276@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:55 AM 6/30/2004, Juan Urquhart wrote: >thanks a million for your feedback...it's good to see my efforts >apretiated...i try to keep my low profile on LD list,because i donĀ“t want >to be seen as an spamer,there's so much i owe to this list in terms of >ideas,information...that the last thing i would like to do is abusing it... Hey Maneco, you can post about your products here, that's no problem. People are obviously interested, so go ahead and tell them! Also, I should have a page for your creations on the tools page of Looper's Delight. I'm sorry I haven't done it, I've been too busy lately to get to it. If somebody wants to help out and create a page for it, I'd really appreciate it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 02:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i616PrW01029; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630231130.04438120@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:33:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... In-Reply-To: <2A416237-CA5E-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <2A416237-CA5E-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:24 PM 6/29/2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I thought the original was digital. Am I wrong? FWIW, the original is called the "16 Second Digital Delay". Given the time it came out, it would have had something less then 16 bit convertors. I have no idea what. 12 bit? 10? 8?. The sample rate would have been relatively low also, somewhere between 24KHz and 32KHz, I imagine. This would have contributed to the "lo-fi" character, in addition to the funky anti-alias filters. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 04:36:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i618Zbh14151; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040701092344.02803030@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:32:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Insert mode questions >>manual In-Reply-To: <200407010555.i615tKg29521@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407010555.i615tKg29521@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:55 01/07/04, you wrote: >>Hi - is this the only mistake in the manual - or are there any other known >>errors??? > >I think I mainly fixed errors from the old manual, and hopefully didn't >introduce any new ones with the new material. (besides the one above!) >Nobody has mentioned any others so far, so let's keep our fingers crossed. > >kim As far as I'm aware:- Kim did an incredibly thorough job on the loop4 manual, that's the only error anyone found so far. Usually, with devices much less complex than the EDP there's omissions and errors to be found in the manual if you look close enough. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 05:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i619oF624819; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:50:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:50:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c45f50$b88e1c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Andreas Willers: live looping review Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:49:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_q3D5D.A.FBG.x494AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the privilege of hearing Andreas Willers perform tonight in the show that we did with him headlining in Santa Cruz. I was impressed when I first heard him in Berlin but was really floored by him tonight. He is a really deep musician; drawing from jazz, rock, avante garde, ethnic music and funk. He has prodigious and extremely inventive technique. He also has a really great knack of playing an idiom and just when you think that you can predict where he will go next, he completely turns it around on you and heads off in another direction. Sometimes extreme eclecticism can be distracting or unsettling but not so in Andreas's case. I must have laughed out loud a half a dozen times at just how clever and inventive he is. He pulled out a dozen kinds of intersting strumming and tapping techniques while playing very lyrically...............then he'd turn around and shred like the heaviest big hair metal types. His use of the EDP was both strong and subtle. I'm very familiar with techniques used on that instrument and yet he frequently completely confounded me by his use of subtle techniques. It was a fascinating show and if anyone gets the chance to catch him at the Vancouver Jazz Festival coming up in a day or so you should really try to go check it out. I also really enjoyed the set by my brother (is it nepotism if you truly enjoy a siblings's music?). He eschewed his big Repeater/Synth guitar rig for the second concert in a row, concentrating, instead, on a two Line 6 DL-4 lineup with his array of beautiful guitars (acoustic steel string, weissenborn styled slide, souped up stratocaster and his, 'honey I shrunk the guitar' mini strat). One thing I particularly enjoyed was his use of half speed double speed maneuvers where, by playing in three and using half speed he created a cool 2-2-2-3 phrased balkan styled 9/8 rhythm to play over. He also cracked everyone up with a "Mr. T" small hand sample toy. All in all it was a truly enjoyable show. I was only bummed that none of the Santa Cruz live looping contingent made it out to see the show. Too bad, they missed a really excellent night of music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 06:02:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61A16T26078; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.185.46] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5A4+C/AALOfQEAAAAB,0f75a031915c0f52d5ca1a82e8c5fc7f Message-Id: <20040701100031.3C110395E@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...it was 12 bits,and the lowest rate,to achieve 16 seconds,was 4khz,it had 64k of dynamic rams...the lo-fi sound was also due to the adaptive low pass filters,in the 16 seconds range were tuned at 2khz my creations... http://manecolooper.tripod.com my music... http://rendher.tripod.com --- Kim Flint wrote: At 11:24 PM 6/29/2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I thought the original was digital. Am I wrong? FWIW, the original is called the "16 Second Digital Delay". Given the time it came out, it would have had something less then 16 bit convertors. I have no idea what. 12 bit? 10? 8?. The sample rate would have been relatively low also, somewhere between 24KHz and 32KHz, I imagine. This would have contributed to the "lo-fi" character, in addition to the funky anti-alias filters. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 14:27:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61INOg11486; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3n7bGC.A.mvC.uZF5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Paolo Valladolid > wrote: > > > > Does the EH16 not allow the creation of loops > shorter > > than 4 minutes? > > Of course. 4 is the max. So why do you want the max time cut to 2 min. again? > >> of loop time for a > >> single loop?) and do it stereo. (Yes Mark > Hamburg. > > > > For what you paid MusicToyz, you could have gotten > 2 > > EH16s. Problem solved. > > Perhaps you should spend less time thinking of your > best friend Ron and > more time practicing your arithmetic. It was not Perhaps I assumed a bit much when I thought you would get the "I keed!" reference. In other words, I was kidding and not intending to put you on the defensive. Cheers to you too, Paolo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61Itxi24548; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A388AF3-CB90-11D8-ACC4-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Stereo-zation Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:54:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't want to get greedy! So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 15:47:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61JdZ410357; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:39:55 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Insert mode questions >>manual In-reply-to: <6.1.0.6.0.20040701092344.02803030@pop.tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40E4688B.3070804@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <200407010555.i615tKg29521@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040701092344.02803030@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a k butler wrote: > As far as I'm aware:- > Kim did an incredibly thorough job on the loop4 manual, > that's the only error anyone found so far. I'd like to second that. I'm new to the EDP, but I am a professional programmer and have read (and written) a lot of bad manuals in my day. The EDP manual appears to be *extremely* comprehensive, and from what I can tell very accurate. Kudos to those involved. If some of my questions sound a little pedantic, its just because I don't have an EDP in front of me to test with, I have to rely strictly on what is written. Now that it appears I can actually buy one, that may change :-) Thanks, Jeff Larson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 16:45:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61Kgw505179; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:42:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c45fab$ea508b90$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kyma has some great realtime granular processing features. If you want you can check out http://www.noxix.com/music.html and click the third track "scream" 99% of the vocal processing you hear there was recorded live, with the original vocal track, which allowed the singer to "play" the effect during the take. (at least in theory) This "granular reverb" patch basically continuously samples the sound and plays back different windows of the sample using a couple of parameters from different "sliders" including a user variable amount of randomness. -- Sarth > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:36 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop > > > Wait, but where do the bass playing/drumming come from? > > they're part of the original recording > > > > you have choosen a rhythmic value for the loops gradual displacement. > Did > you do this in the program by ear or by some calculation > > I found the value simply by trial and error until it created some kind of > rhythm created from the slices of the original rhythm > > > > Also, would you mind describing exactly how you made this? > > I used Granulab which does the chopping into slices and rearranging them - > I > don't want to explain granular synthesis here - the piece was basically > created by feeding the original recording into Granulab, and finding the > best placements for three or four sliders, the rest happened on its own > without any intervention from my side. > > > > I wonder if this technique could be used in real time. > > Granular synthesis can never really manipulate the real time signal in > real > time as it basically always samples a sound, chops it into grains, and > plays > them back in a different order. So it has some similarities to looping, > really. Granulab is not designed to work with real time signals but the > wonderful Audiomulch has a real time granulator which even uses an > internal > delay. Probably Reaktor has a similar feature. I'm not sure if a technique > similar to the Miles piece could be done in real time with Audiomulch, > maybe > it would be interesting to try that. > > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 17:15:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61LDH118913; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Stereo-zation Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <1A388AF3-CB90-11D8-ACC4-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:12:40 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They're blowing those Alesis FAZE's out at about 1/4 MSRP. But it's really a phase shifter; it would probably be disappointing if you need chorus. >From long-ago experience, the Alesis Microverb was always decent products for the money, good quality, quiet. The Nonoverb is probably similar quality. The Line 6 MM-4 is a plush pedal with lots of sounds and expression pedal controllable. The Alesis GuitarFX is along the same lines (including expression pedal input), but a lot less expensive. I'm going by the specs on those two, but I've never side-by-sided them. -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stereo-zation Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't want to get greedy! So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 19:40:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61NddP04612; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c45fc5$1aa60360$2aefa344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Bitrman Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.239.42] at Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:39:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got the distortion oriented Alesis device - the Bitrman.. Cheap. Light. And a perfect in-studio little distortion box with a wide wide range of sounds for $40. Imagine getting some of the sounds Jeff Beck made on Wired and There and Back and that boggled the minds of every guitar player I knew for just $40. Crazy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: RE: Stereo-zation > They're blowing those Alesis FAZE's out at about 1/4 MSRP. But it's really > a phase shifter; it would probably be disappointing if you need chorus. > From long-ago experience, the Alesis Microverb was always decent products > for the money, good quality, quiet. The Nonoverb is probably similar > quality. The Line 6 MM-4 is a plush pedal with lots of sounds and > expression pedal controllable. The Alesis GuitarFX is along the same lines > (including expression pedal input), but a lot less expensive. I'm going by > the specs on those two, but I've never side-by-sided them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Stereo-zation > > Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! > > After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well > as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my > studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops > going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's > neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox > Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't > want to get greedy! > > So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of > it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused > sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm > thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. > I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of > those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the > Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? > > Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 > worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 19:41:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i61Ndxg04697; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:39:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 23:39:11.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C71D0F0:01C45FC4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like. Very percussive. What kind of live setup do you use. I'm interested in your approach to live improvised electronica. >Kyma has some great realtime granular processing features. If you want >you can check out > >http://www.noxix.com/music.html > >and click the third track "scream" 99% of the vocal processing you hear >there was recorded live, with the original vocal track, which allowed >the singer to "play" the effect during the take. (at least in theory) >This "granular reverb" patch basically continuously samples the sound >and plays back different windows of the sample using a couple of >parameters from different "sliders" including a user variable amount of >randomness. > >-- Sarth _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 21:44:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i621hSV21941; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:43:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E4BC87.8040805@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:38:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #379 for June 24, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040624.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #379 June 24, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Sequences magazine, The Featured CD at Midnight was disc two of two compilation discs that came with issue 27. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Memorymetropolis" by Clara Mondshine on IC Records. Sequences - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jun PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Clara Mondshine Chipmania Memorymetropolis (IC) Richard Bone Playa Six Coxa (Quirworks) Psicodreamics Eternal Angel Eternal Angel (none) Radio Massacre Signature of Selective e-live 2003 (Northern Echo) International Sweep Intelligentsia Touchdown Civilizations (AMP) Dave Peck Submerged Endo-Spectra (none) 12:00 am VA[Paul Ellis] Slowly Beating Wings Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Mark Jenkins] Ekranoplan Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Bjorn Lynn] Spellcraft Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Rudy Adrian] Star Garden Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Michael Shipway and The Nove Towers - Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 Steve Smith] Part 1 VA[Thought Guild] Semiotic Sequence Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Transceive] Evolver Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Gert Emmens] Gaspra Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 VA[Ron Boots, Alquimia, Forgotten Memories Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 and Mark Jenkins] VA[Skin Mechanix] Waving at Mono Sequences No. 27, disc 2 of 2 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll start a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze and his "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" ten CD boxed set. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Vanity of Sounds" on the Rainhorse label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ricochet" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 1 22:54:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i622qPn16386; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:51:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c45fdf$849e2940$a600a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_IMZ2.A.y-D.L3M5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, thanks. The main percussion is actually a cello "slap". My live setup is a gator rack that has a capybara(kyma hardware) a mofx, 2 filter boxes, an organ module, and a behringer (blechk) mixer that feeds everything in to everything else and back. It was impossible to find the routing capability I want in less than 4 rackspaces so I just went with a mixer rack. It is way too heavy. Too heavy. but I can set up in 20 minutes (if someone helps me carry my stuff) I do simple delay looping w/the mofx (very primitive) and too-complex-for-my-own-damn-good sequencer/looper/resampler thingies in kyma. And process them through each other, or the filters. Oh and I bring a remote25 to control kyma and an ex5 for electric piano sounds and whatnot and an rs7000 to act as the master timepiece. You'd think I could scale it back but removing things is somehow more complicated than adding. But I swear, I can set up in 20 minutes. I've timed it. :-) -- Sarth Oh, but my approach is, I try to make the live electronica be improvised, and have songs. So for each piece, there is a fixed palette of loops and processing, and there are arrangements, but then there are lots of things left open-ended. Some tunes are predicated on a certain kind of processing ... ok, in this tune we have this very specific looper that works this way, and we loop the cello and voice while you do whatever seems fitting ... and some others are based on loops and stuff with specific song-arrangement, and maybe the processing aspect is more variable and contextual. Or maybe we just act like a jam band and I take a long, selfindulgent ... I mean transformative ... solo during the bridge. It really depends. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Spring [mailto:j_sun23@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop > > I like. Very percussive. What kind of live setup do you use. I'm > interested in your approach to live improvised electronica. > > > >Kyma has some great realtime granular processing features. If you want > >you can check out > > > >http://www.noxix.com/music.html > > > >and click the third track "scream" 99% of the vocal processing you hear > >there was recorded live, with the original vocal track, which allowed > >the singer to "play" the effect during the take. (at least in theory) > >This "granular reverb" patch basically continuously samples the sound > >and plays back different windows of the sample using a couple of > >parameters from different "sliders" including a user variable amount of > >randomness. > > > >-- Sarth > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 02:14:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i626Cxf11164; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1712.4.27.149.72.1088748747.squirrel@www.thetentacle.org> In-Reply-To: <200406301724.i5UHOKU27441@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406301724.i5UHOKU27441@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Andre LaFosse From: squidloop@thetentacle.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [619 620] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - t15.t15.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <_NXB1.A.xtC.MzP5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was reading an interview with Mike Keneally on www.guitarhoo.com and he mentions Andre. G!: In your travels have you come accross any new talents out there we should all be on the look out for? MK: Andre LaFosse is a really creative guitarist/composer people should be checking out. Adam Tober in NYC is writing some fantastic avant-pop-rock stuff with great guitar and melodies. JRDA in Vermont is a really strong musical band people should be seeing live over there. http://www.guitarhoo.com/interviews/mikekeneally.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 08:27:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62CQ1R09558; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <00f001c4602f$ad4bec60$674ba8c0@gebaeude4t0t2k> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <40D0C2E3.9020602@soundscapes.us> <782DDDB4-CC22-11D8-8E24-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:25:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <4rjz5C.A.YRC.IRV5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do all people in Sweden look like this ??? he,he ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) > http://www.gamlavykort.nu/artiklar/dansband/ > > Greetings from Sweden ;-) > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 08:29:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62CNJn08407; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:23:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:23:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40D0C2E3.9020602@soundscapes.us> References: <40D0C2E3.9020602@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <782DDDB4-CC22-11D8-8E24-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:22:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.gamlavykort.nu/artiklar/dansband/ Greetings from Sweden ;-) Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 08:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62CZuP12738; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c46031$0d9c5630$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <40D0C2E3.9020602@soundscapes.us> <782DDDB4-CC22-11D8-8E24-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:35:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My God. The lapels... the LAPELS...! [running round the room screaming] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 13:22 PM Subject: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) > http://www.gamlavykort.nu/artiklar/dansband/ > > Greetings from Sweden ;-) > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 09:05:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62CsJN19066; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:54:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:55:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <782DDDB4-CC22-11D8-8E24-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:53:36 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure how the first two URLs relate to the last one (Loop Room). Maybe it's a seven-degrees thing. ;) But that last one has a cool stage shot of what looks like some serious live looping action. If you haven't checked out the audio snippets there, do yourself a favor. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) http://www.gamlavykort.nu/artiklar/dansband/ Greetings from Sweden ;-) Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 10:01:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62E0Vx16811; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c4603c$d5836980$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> <1A388AF3-CB90-11D8-ACC4-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Stereo-zation Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:59:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The philtre is a excellent post looper fx. The faze just kinda.....stinks. I regret buying it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Stereo-zation > Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! > > After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well > as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my > studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops > going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's > neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox > Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't > want to get greedy! > > So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of > it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused > sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm > thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. > I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of > those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the > Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? > > Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 > worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 10:58:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62EvTE08717; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000b01c4603c$d5836980$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> <1A388AF3-CB90-11D8-ACC4-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c4603c$d5836980$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CFB0864-CC38-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Stereo-zation Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:00:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awe, that sucks. It looks cool and promising. Thanks for the info. Mark On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > The philtre is a excellent post looper fx. The faze just > kinda.....stinks. > I regret buying it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "msottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:54 PM > Subject: Stereo-zation > > >> Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! >> >> After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as >> well >> as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in >> my >> studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops >> going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's >> neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox >> Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't >> want to get greedy! >> >> So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of >> it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo >> chorused >> sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm >> thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. >> I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one >> of >> those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the >> Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? >> >> Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 >> worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. >> >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 11:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62FDUw17176; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:13:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c46047$100257b0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> <1A388AF3-CB90-11D8-ACC4-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c4603c$d5836980$6402a8c0@breakyii> <9CFB0864-CC38-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Stereo-zation Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:12:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, ok, there is one step-phase i like in the entire pedal. http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/technotes/issue3-modfx/ There are a pile of clips. Have a listen anyway. the flange sounds nice(I love step flange) and, again, the philtre is a real winner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Stereo-zation > Awe, that sucks. It looks cool and promising. Thanks for the info. > > Mark > > On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > The philtre is a excellent post looper fx. The faze just > > kinda.....stinks. > > I regret buying it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "msottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:54 PM > > Subject: Stereo-zation > > > > > >> Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! > >> > >> After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as > >> well > >> as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in > >> my > >> studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops > >> going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's > >> neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox > >> Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't > >> want to get greedy! > >> > >> So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of > >> it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo > >> chorused > >> sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm > >> thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. > >> I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one > >> of > >> those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the > >> Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? > >> > >> Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 > >> worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. > >> > >> Mark > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 11:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62FRFK23130; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:27:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:27:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040702101939.0e42f238@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:23:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Stereo-zation In-Reply-To: <9CFB0864-CC38-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <20040701182232.27157.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> <1A388AF3-CB90-11D8-ACC4-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c4603c$d5836980$6402a8c0@breakyii> <9CFB0864-CC38-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, what about looking at a used Alesis Ineko on Ebay. I've got its big brother (the Akira) which kicks ass. It's table-sized -- only a little bigger than the Faze, Philtre, Bitrman, etc. -- and incorporates most of those effects into a single box. I've also seen Rick and a few others here on the list going gaga about what a cool effect the Ineko is for looping. Just a thought. -c- At 10:00 AM 7/2/2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Awe, that sucks. It looks cool and promising. Thanks for the info. > >Mark > >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > >>The philtre is a excellent post looper fx. The faze just kinda.....stinks. >>I regret buying it. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "msottilaro" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:54 PM >>Subject: Stereo-zation >> >> >>>Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! >>> >>>After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well >>>as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my >>>studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops >>>going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's >>>neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox >>>Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't >>>want to get greedy! >>> >>>So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of >>>it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused >>>sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm >>>thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. >>>I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of >>>those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the >>>Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? >>> >>>Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 >>>worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. >>> >>>Mark > _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 12:11:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62G4Vr06678; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo-zation In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040702101939.0e42f238@spamarrest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also reccomend the Ienko. it's preset but VERY cool with all sorts fo simple (*and* VERY practical and useful) effects. It's tiny with clear legending so it's perfect for live use and best of all it has 1/4" jacks. YEAH!! So many cool processors (Kaos pad for example) are RCA only. Haven't used it for looping. YET. :) On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Catilyne wrote: > Mark, what about looking at a used Alesis Ineko on Ebay. I've got its big > brother (the Akira) which kicks ass. It's table-sized -- only a little > bigger than the Faze, Philtre, Bitrman, etc. -- and incorporates most of > those effects into a single box. > I've also seen Rick and a few others here on the list going gaga about what > a cool effect the Ineko is for looping. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 13:58:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62Htj215498; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040702175501.98922.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Stereo-zation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407021305.i62D58H24782@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, For the same price as the Line 6 MM-4, you can get a TC Electronic Stereo Chorus Flanger. It gives you mono in, mono or stereo out. Chorus, Flanger, and Pitch Modulation are the three selectable FX types. Personally I'd rather have three killer sounds for $175 than 16 wanna-be sounds for the same amount. And yes, I've owned the MM-4 for a year or two. And no, I'm not selling my SCF. Stephen So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 14:48:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62Ik8c03319; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:46:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:46:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E5AC03.1090600@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:40:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #380 for July 1, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7ID_NB.A.zt.K1a5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040701.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #380 July 1, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Crime of Suspense" which is disc 1 of the 10 CD boxed set "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" on the Rainhorse label, part of Manikin Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ricochet" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Part Two Ricochet (Virgin) Harold Grosskopf Eve On the Hill Oceanheart (Groove) Otarion Mylene Faces of the Night (Neu Harmony) Mark Dwane Quantum Leap The Sirius Link (Trondant) John Sherwood and HyperEx Machina - AL2K3 Notting Hill Not Gage (AmbientLive) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Vanity of Sounds Vanity of Sounds (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze Sacred Romance Vanity of Sounds (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze The Wing of Strings Vanity of Sounds (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze From Words To Silence * Vanity of Sounds (Rainhorse) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze and his "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" ten CD boxed set. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Crime of Suspense" on the Rainhorse label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Tangram" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 15:27:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62JPvj22494; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:25:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <782DDDB4-CC22-11D8-8E24-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Message-Id: <92F6AB1A-CC5D-11D8-80E2-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, this made my day! Thanks for the "loop-wear" costuming ideas! On Friday, July 2, 2004, at 05:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > http://www.gamlavykort.nu/artiklar/dansband/ > > Greetings from Sweden ;-) > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 16:20:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62KJ2p12079; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040702201832.41448.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Bitrman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c45fc5$1aa60360$2aefa344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1927832087-1088799512=:41291" Resent-Message-ID: <_SYl9C.A.n5C.dMc5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1927832087-1088799512=:41291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes I also just picked up that deal at Musician's Friend for $40. Crazy sounds - interstellar space, white noise, etc. Also maybe a nice prank here to set somebody's guitar up with all telephone electronic sounds or exorcist tubular bells...however for straight guitar playing I lost patience with it real quick- too much loco morphing...Has anyone tried the others in the set?... Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix Big Muff "Pi" sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?... Monica David Kirkdorffer wrote: I got the distortion oriented Alesis device - the Bitrman.. Cheap. Light. And a perfect in-studio little distortion box with a wide wide range of sounds for $40. Imagine getting some of the sounds Jeff Beck made on Wired and There and Back and that boggled the minds of every guitar player I knew for just $40. Crazy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: RE: Stereo-zation > They're blowing those Alesis FAZE's out at about 1/4 MSRP. But it's really > a phase shifter; it would probably be disappointing if you need chorus. > From long-ago experience, the Alesis Microverb was always decent products > for the money, good quality, quiet. The Nonoverb is probably similar > quality. The Line 6 MM-4 is a plush pedal with lots of sounds and > expression pedal controllable. The Alesis GuitarFX is along the same lines > (including expression pedal input), but a lot less expensive. I'm going by > the specs on those two, but I've never side-by-sided them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Stereo-zation > > Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND! > > After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well > as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my > studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops > going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's > neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox > Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't > want to get greedy! > > So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of > it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused > sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm > thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16. > I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of > those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the > Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these? > > Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4 > worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy. > > Mark > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Yes I also just picked up that deal at Musician's Friend for $40.
Crazy sounds - interstellar space, white noise, etc. Also maybe a nice
prank here to set somebody's guitar up with all telephone electronic sounds or
exorcist tubular bells...however for straight guitar playing I lost patience with
it real quick- too much loco morphing...Has anyone tried the others in the set?...
    Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix Big Muff "Pi"
sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?...
Monica

David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
I got the distortion oriented Alesis device - the Bitrman.. Cheap. Light.
And a perfect in-studio little distortion box with a wide wide range of
sounds for $40. Imagine getting some of the sounds Jeff Beck made on Wired
and There and Back and that boggled the minds of every guitar player I knew
for just $40.

Crazy.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Zechinato"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: RE: Stereo-zation


> They're blowing those Alesis FAZE's out at about 1/4 MSRP. But it's
really
> a phase shifter; it would probably be disappointing if you need chorus.
> From long-ago experience, the Alesis Microverb was always decent products
> for the money, good quality, quiet. The Nonoverb is probably similar
> quality. The Line 6 MM-4 is a plush pedal with lots of sounds and
> expression pedal controllable. The Alesis GuitarFX is along the same
lines
> (including expression pedal input), but a lot less expensive. I'm going
by
> the specs on those two, but I've never side-by-sided them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:55 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Stereo-zation
>
> Yup, sorry Stanitarium! I DO LOVE THE STEREO CHORUS SOUND!
>
> After playing with the EH-16 a bunch yesterday, I realized that as well
> as being a cool mono looper for playing live, it also sits nicely in my
> studio for extra looping fun. At one point I had asynchronous loops
> going on the EH-16, Gigadelay (Not true about the tone control, it's
> neutral when at 12:00) and lastly the 8 sec looper on board the Vox
> Tonelab SE. I could have had my Repeater going as well, but I didn't
> want to get greedy!
>
> So my question is this: The EH-16 doesn't have the lo-fi "feature" of
> it's father, but I do notice the monoization of my lush stereo chorused
> sounds. Again, not a big deal when playing live but in the studio I'm
> thinking I'd like to be able to post process the output of the EH16.
> I'd like it to be small and cheap, if possible. I'm thinking of one of
> those cheap little Alesis effects that do stereo modulation. (the
> Alesis FAZE) Anyone try one of these?
>
> Should I hold out for something like a nanoverb? Is the Line6 MM-4
> worth it? Basically I want mono in, stereo out. Nothing too fancy.
>
> Mark
>

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New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1927832087-1088799512=:41291-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 16:31:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62KTwD16089; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c46073$45fe0f40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Swedens hottest musicians ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:29:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geeez, these uber hip photos are making me thinking of changing my stage name to L()()pAbbAp()()L. Is it legal to do live looping music with lapels that huge in Sweden, Per? R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 16:32:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62KPkt14510; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:25:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:25:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040702201832.41448.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040702201832.41448.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: DJ Subject: Re: Bitrman Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:25:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i62KPTh14403 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp. On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote: >     Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix > Big Muff "Pi" > sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 16:44:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62KgRw20490; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:42:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040702204203.43063.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Bitrman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1482814355-1088800923=:41341" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1482814355-1088800923=:41341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does it mix well with other fx-like Lexicon - to get both subtlety and intensity? DJ wrote:I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp. On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote: > Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix > Big Muff "Pi" > sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1482814355-1088800923=:41341 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Does it mix well with other fx-like Lexicon - to get both subtlety and intensity?

DJ <dhjohnson@mindspring.com> wrote:
I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is
what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it
is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort
of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains
forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp.

On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote:

>     Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix
> Big Muff "Pi"
> sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?...

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New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1482814355-1088800923=:41341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 17:00:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62KxXW28142; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040702204203.43063.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040702204203.43063.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-973071640 Message-Id: From: DJ Subject: Re: Bitrman Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:58:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7-973071640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't have any experience mixing it with rackmounts, but I know it=20 does very well mixing with other analog stomp boxes. You can both feed=20= other things into it and have it feed other FX and get a lot of cool=20 things going on. As I see it there are three or four "classic" distortion tones that=20 guitarists like to use as far as stompboxes go, see if you can find=20 what you are looking for in this list. There's the fuzzface (fuzz that=20= cleans up nicely, can be both subtle and pretty over the top, if you=20 want one buy a boutique remake as I don't think anything sold today=20 with the name "fuzzface" on it sounds any good), the tubescreamers=20 (pretty subtle all around, not a lot of gain, but great for overdriven=20= amp tones, can also be used somewhat as a clean boost), the RAT (great=20= distortion, also cleans up nicely, more gain than the tubescreamers,=20 but not as much as the big muff, a lot of different shades of=20 distortion, and you can get a lot of harmonics out of this if you want=20= them), and the big muff (saturated tone for days). You can cover A LOT=20= of distortion ground with a TS, a RAT, and a BIG MUFF by using them=20 independently and together. I would personally chain them in that=20 order. Hope this helps! On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:42 PM, Monica wrote: > Does it mix well with other fx-like Lexicon=A0- to get both subtlety = and=20 > intensity? > > DJ wrote: > I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is > what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it > is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort > of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains > forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp. > > On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote: > > > =A0=A0=A0 Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and = Electro-Harmonix > > Big Muff "Pi" > > sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?... > > > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!= --Apple-Mail-7-973071640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't have any experience mixing it with rackmounts, but I know it does very well mixing with other analog stomp boxes. You can both feed other things into it and have it feed other FX and get a lot of cool things going on. =20 As I see it there are three or four "classic" distortion tones that guitarists like to use as far as stompboxes go, see if you can find what you are looking for in this list. There's the fuzzface (fuzz that cleans up nicely, can be both subtle and pretty over the top, if you want one buy a boutique remake as I don't think anything sold today with the name "fuzzface" on it sounds any good), the tubescreamers (pretty subtle all around, not a lot of gain, but great for overdriven amp tones, can also be used somewhat as a clean boost),=20= the RAT (great distortion, also cleans up nicely, more gain than the tubescreamers, but not as much as the big muff, a lot of different shades of distortion, and you can get a lot of harmonics out of this if you want them), and the big muff (saturated tone for days). You can cover A LOT of distortion ground with a TS, a RAT, and a BIG MUFF by using them independently and together. I would personally chain them in that order. Hope this helps! On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:42 PM, Monica wrote: Does it mix well with other fx-like Lexicon=A0- to get both subtlety and intensity? DJ < wrote: I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is=20= what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it=20 is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp. On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote: > =A0=A0=A0 Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and = Electro-Harmonix > Big Muff "Pi" > sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?... Do you Yahoo!? 0000,0000,EEEENew and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!= --Apple-Mail-7-973071640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 18:27:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62MOlt30553; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200406182036.i5IKaYM30001@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406182036.i5IKaYM30001@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 00:09:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Andre Cholmondeley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8chwsB.A.ubH.dCe5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre; I've been trying to mail you off list and the mail keeps bouncing due to (what i believe is a) spam filter. I just came a cross a post of yours from 1999 about Bob Musso and Machine Gun. I don't know if you recognise my name, but i've been on the Looper's Delight list for a couple of years now and participated in the Live Looping tour last year with Matthias Grob and Per Boysen. Well, the point of this mail is that i am also the original Machine Gun bass player. Right now i'm trying to put together some reunion dates in the New York area for this fall. Though both Chapin and Sonny Sharrock have passed, Bob, Bil and i argree that it's time to do some gigs together again. If you have any suggestions for venues or inside info on upcoming festivals that we might fit into please drop me a line. Happy looping! Drone masterpieces and Loopadelica at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence " http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm Tel. +46 768 700976 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 18:46:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62Mha704238; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040702185440.01571750@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:54:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Stereo-zation In-Reply-To: <20040702175501.98922.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200407021305.i62D58H24782@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, For similar or less money, a used Lexicon Vortex makes a great post-looper stereo-izer with morphing tap-tempo delay-based effects feeding a stereo panner in one rack space with foot- and expression-pedal control. It has that lush Lexicon tone (love it or hate it). If you can tolerate a rack unit, check out http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm and this lists archives. Ever grateful, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 19:21:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62NJXA19419; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040702185440.01571750@pop.mindspring.com> References: <200407021305.i62D58H24782@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20040702185440.01571750@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B468CBC-CC7E-11D8-AB26-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Stereo-zation Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:18:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes I'd go for something like the Vortex.. but I'm trying to stay away from a rack. The idea is to tuck it behind the EH-16 on my shelf. In my journey I keep coming across the Korg Pandora PX4 for pretty low prices. I used to have a toneworks pedal... the ax something... I thought it was way cool when used in front of my Ampeg amp. I'm thinking I may try out a PX4 and see if I can disable it's amp models (can you? The manual I downloaded seemed very light on information) and just use modulations, delays and reverbs. It's more money than I initially thought I'd spend... but it always is. Mark On Jul 2, 2004, at 3:54 PM, nick douglas wrote: > Mark, > > For similar or less money, a used Lexicon Vortex makes a great > post-looper stereo-izer with morphing tap-tempo delay-based effects > feeding a stereo panner in one rack space with foot- and > expression-pedal control. It has that lush Lexicon tone (love it or > hate it). If you can tolerate a rack unit, check out > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm and this lists archives. > > Ever grateful, > Nick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 19:23:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i62NFdY17922; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c4608a$6ead48e0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <200407021305.i62D58H24782@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20040702185440.01571750@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Alesis Ineko. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:15:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know the max delay time? I read through the manual and found nothing on it..... Looks like a super cool little unit, I might have to buy 3. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 20:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i630IYU11418; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <6CA54206-CC86-11D8-9A04-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-985006791 From: Optimus Rob Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:17:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-985006791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed unsubscribe Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... 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"an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-1-985006791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 2 20:55:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i630rZT27070; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:53:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c46098$191e5410$6401a8c0@Tower1> From: "Jim Palmer" To: References: <002001c45fab$ea508b90$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> Subject: Re: Miels Davis loop Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:53:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent stuff. i had to sell my kyma for cash flow reasons, but i really had a good time with the granular stuff. loved the other two tracks as well... have you checked out denis leas' excellent lck for kyma? ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarth" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop > Kyma has some great realtime granular processing features. If you want > you can check out > > http://www.noxix.com/music.html > > and click the third track "scream" 99% of the vocal processing you hear > there was recorded live, with the original vocal track, which allowed > the singer to "play" the effect during the take. (at least in theory) > This "granular reverb" patch basically continuously samples the sound > and plays back different windows of the sample using a couple of > parameters from different "sliders" including a user variable amount of > randomness. > > -- Sarth > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:36 AM > > To: Loopers Delight > > Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop > > > > > Wait, but where do the bass playing/drumming come from? > > > > they're part of the original recording > > > > > > > you have choosen a rhythmic value for the loops gradual > displacement. > > Did > > you do this in the program by ear or by some calculation > > > > I found the value simply by trial and error until it created some kind > of > > rhythm created from the slices of the original rhythm > > > > > > > Also, would you mind describing exactly how you made this? > > > > I used Granulab which does the chopping into slices and rearranging > them - > > I > > don't want to explain granular synthesis here - the piece was > basically > > created by feeding the original recording into Granulab, and finding > the > > best placements for three or four sliders, the rest happened on its > own > > without any intervention from my side. > > > > > > > I wonder if this technique could be used in real time. > > > > Granular synthesis can never really manipulate the real time signal in > > real > > time as it basically always samples a sound, chops it into grains, and > > plays > > them back in a different order. So it has some similarities to > looping, > > really. Granulab is not designed to work with real time signals but > the > > wonderful Audiomulch has a real time granulator which even uses an > > internal > > delay. Probably Reaktor has a similar feature. I'm not sure if a > technique > > similar to the Miles piece could be done in real time with Audiomulch, > > maybe > > it would be interesting to try that. > > > > > > -Michael > > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 04:03:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6382do07073; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 04:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 04:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040703083712.0280beb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:00:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Stereo-zation Analog In-Reply-To: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6381rh06835 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of us who tend towards the unusual. My favorite box for making stereo from mono (apart from the vortex) is the MAM Rs3 Resonator. Three panned band pass filters with frequencies that can sweep together, or against each other. Will also do envelope following, with the 3 bands controlled by 3 different freq ranges in the input. (or use exp pedal) I wouldn't mention it again, only it's now available for £67 from http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoiw2_index.html (search for "MAM" ) The stereo filter sweep can appear as multi-frequency panning, great on beats and drones alike. Another technique, for any envelope controlled filter, is to put both the loop and the live sound through it together, so the loop is modulated when you play. The MAM - Phaze 2 is also stereo analog ultra-tweakable, similarly-cheap and on-the-way-to-my-house. ..and there's other similarly strange stuff available, including an analog vocoder for about £130 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 10:00:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i63Dsjb17310; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:54:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Subject: Sweden's hottest musicians ;-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The fun thing about living in Sweden is that you sometimes end up on a gig with one of these guys... -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence " http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm Tel. +46 768 700976 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 10:21:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i63EJvG21173; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f901c46107$bbb96010$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Live looping percussion - thoughts? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:12:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I'm finally in the very lucky and blessed position to be playing with a drummer who's interested in looping! An old friend, and we're very comfortable with each other and our approach to music. Anyway, I set him up with my Repeater, a rack mixer, and an FCB1010. We're running his dry and looped sounds through EON10G2's (decent sound). In a single 3 hour jam session, we managed to amaze ourselves, and we're excited about where it could go. Some facts, and my issues and questions: - he's going to keep the percussion fairly minimal, and may use some found objects. Hi Rick Walker! I'm hoping I hear from you on this thread ;) - there's still always the chance of a full drum kit being involved, so any comments about that are welcome - for our first jam, we just used a dynamic mic (SM57) and got some good, loud loops... but we definitely have a sound isolation problem - I play through a small rack, into a 2x12 tube guitar amp. My loopers are 2 EDPs. - we enjoyed and used the "bleed thru" of my amp into his loops a bit, but generally, we didn't have much control over that and it can be limiting when you want to turn the music a new direction quickly, because my old loop is still ambiently present in his loop Mic/Isolation Questions: - I suspect we need 1 or 2 hyper cardoid condenser mics to achieve maximum isolation? - Any recommendations on good but not-too-expensive condenser mics? - Any other thoughts on isolation? Repeater Questions: - we think we're going to use "beat detect" mode, and "tempo lock". Any experience with this, relative to locking down a tempo so that the Repeater isn't constantly re-calculating tempo, and instead locks down on a tempo so that the EDP's aren't drifitng vs. the Repeater? - any other suggestions on a smarter way for him to be able to play the tempo he feels, lock it so that the EDP's get a steady clock, without it being too cumbersome? Controller Questions: - he's using an FCB1010 on the floor to control Repeater functions. Works great. We discussed the possibility of getting a drum trigger type controller, but I've yet to see one that's reasonably priced which also sends CC commands (as well as notes and PCs). Any ideas? I appreciate any and all feedback, and a big thanks in advance. If I've left out any critical info, just let me know. We'll be watching this thread closely because we're hoping to move fast, and get into some live shows in the next few months. Signed, Totally psyched to be looping with a friend in Texas!! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 19:18:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i63NFeq23675; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:15:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c46153$8e72e210$a600a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <011a01c46098$191e5410$6401a8c0@Tower1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Miels Davis loop > > excellent stuff. Thanks > i had to sell my kyma for cash flow reasons, but > i really had a good time with the granular stuff. > loved the other two tracks as well... no way! Boo! > > have you checked out denis leas' excellent lck for kyma? I really want to, but there's no demo and I really want to, but I've pre-allocated money for too many things, but I really want to. -- Sarth ========= http://www.noxix.com n19tothelefteyeofmymind From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 19:26:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i63NQHv24918; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040703232556.44015.qmail@web53706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Bitrman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-122833754-1088897156=:43513" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-122833754-1088897156=:43513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks DJ...very useful info here as always...I'd also heard about a distortion unit from New Zealand called the Hotcake that's supposed to be among the best- at like $175 a pop it should be...never tried one myself though...yes maybe adding these distorts to the Bitrman would be pretty far out too...Monica DJ wrote: I don't have any experience mixing it with rackmounts, but I know it does very well mixing with other analog stomp boxes. You can both feed other things into it and have it feed other FX and get a lot of cool things going on. As I see it there are three or four "classic" distortion tones that guitarists like to use as far as stompboxes go, see if you can find what you are looking for in this list. There's the fuzzface (fuzz that cleans up nicely, can be both subtle and pretty over the top, if you want one buy a boutique remake as I don't think anything sold today with the name "fuzzface" on it sounds any good), the tubescreamers (pretty subtle all around, not a lot of gain, but great for overdriven amp tones, can also be used somewhat as a clean boost), the RAT (great distortion, also cleans up nicely, more gain than the tubescreamers, but not as much as the big muff, a lot of different shades of distortion, and you can get a lot of harmonics out of this if you want them), and the big muff (saturated tone for days). You can cover A LOT of distortion ground with a TS, a RAT, and a BIG MUFF by using them independently and together. I would personally chain them in that order. Hope this helps! On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:42 PM, Monica wrote: > Does it mix well with other fx-like Lexicon - to get both subtlety and > intensity? > > DJ wrote: > I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is > what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it > is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort > of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains > forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp. > > On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote: > > > Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix > > Big Muff "Pi" > > sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?... > > > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-122833754-1088897156=:43513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks DJ...very useful info here as always...I'd also heard about a distortion unit
from New Zealand called the Hotcake that's supposed to be among the best-
at like $175 a pop it should be...never tried one myself though...yes maybe adding
these distorts to the Bitrman would be pretty far out too...Monica

DJ <dhjohnson@mindspring.com> wrote:
I don't have any experience mixing it with rackmounts, but I know it
does very well mixing with other analog stomp boxes. You can both feed
other things into it and have it feed other FX and get a lot of cool
things going on.

As I see it there are three or four "classic" distortion tones that
guitarists like to use as far as stompboxes go, see if you can find
what you are looking for in this list. There's the fuzzface (fuzz that
cleans up nicely, can be both subtle and pretty over the top, if you
want one buy a boutique remake as I don't think anything sold today
with the name "fuzzface" on it sounds any good), the tubescreamers
(pretty subtle all around, not a lot of gain, but great for overdriven
amp tones, can also be used somewhat as a clean boost), the RAT (great
distortion, also cleans up nicely, more gain than the tubescreamers,
but not as much as the big muff, a lot of different shades of
distortion, and you can get a lot of harmonics out of this if you want
them), and the big muff (saturated tone for days). You can cover A LOT
of distortion ground with a TS, a RAT, and a BIG MUFF by using them
independently and together. I would personally chain them in that
order.

Hope this helps!


On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:42 PM, Monica wrote:

> Does it mix well with other fx-like Lexicon - to get both subtlety and
> intensity?
>
> DJ wrote:
> I have no experience with the Phase 90, but I love my Big Muff. It is
> what it is though, you have to love it for what it is and NOT what it
> is not. It is NOT an overdrive of any sort, so don't expect any sort
> of subtlety out of it. Great saturated tone though, and it sustains
> forever, especially at high volume with a tube amp.
>
> On Jul 2, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Monica wrote:
>
> >     Also soon I plan to get the retro Phase 90 and Electro-Harmonix
> > Big Muff "Pi"
> > sustainer/distortion- any feedback on those?...
>
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-122833754-1088897156=:43513-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 19:39:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i63NcZK26779; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Bitrman Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c46156$c68911d0$a600a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040703232556.44015.qmail@web53706.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this bitrman things stereo or what? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 19:40:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i63NduK27062; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: Midi Foot Controller Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:39:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c46157$033795c0$a600a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040703232556.44015.qmail@web53706.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if that fcb1010 can send sysex from a switch push (manual doesn't appear to say so) or know of any foot controller which can send sysex from a footswitch push? -- Sarth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 20:01:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6401Aq32581; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:01:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:01:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c4615a$712de2c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000901c46156$c68911d0$a600a8c0@mobilegrfx> Subject: Re: Bitrman Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.231.54] at Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:00:33 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Bitrman is one device in a series of devices from Alesis. I believe they all have a stereo capability (if you include dry and wet signal-splitting on the vocoder unit in the line). The Bitrman itself is a very versatile distortion - designed for home recording and has really cool stereo-fasing. There are some whacky and unique features but they can distract you from it's distortion-abilities. My niggle with it is it's really designed as a deskop unit. It's a pity there isn't a "footpedal version" of this. It's not at all big so we know the circuitry would fit in a pedal. Ah well, dream on David.... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarth" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: RE: Bitrman > Is this bitrman things stereo or what? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 20:21:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i640JQA03019; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.105.38.42] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live looping percussion - thoughts? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:18:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2004 00:18:53.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CD2C5D0:01C4615C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as the easiest way for the drummer to find a comfortable tempo and "lock" it, I'd say just use the tap tempo feature. I've not used beat detect, but I suspect that it might have its quirks and difficulties, and you'd still have to press a button to lock it. As far as EDP's drifting, again I don't have experience using one, but I'd guess tap tempo would provide more consitent results, assuming you'd slave the EDP's to the repeater's tempo. I use tap tempo all the time with the repeater and it's invaluable. The only way I could see the beat detect and then tempo lock being more appropriate is if he's going to just jam on a beat and then wouldn' have a free foot or hand to tap that tempo in real quick. The only hang up I see with tap tempo is that I've found it's sometimes difficult to tap in a slow tempo when the 'peater is at a fast one. I guess the best way to know though would be to experiment. Like I said, I have a feeling the beat detect mode isn't all it's cracked up to be. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Jason p.s. Texa, eh? What part? Maybe we need to get a gulf south thing going soon. I'm in the big boot and have been discussing the possiblity of organizing shows with a fellow Louisiana looper recently. Keep us up to date on your progress _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 20:56:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i640swf08601; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:54:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: EDP Stopped taking MIDI commands. Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:54:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <_yjMvC.A.FFC.8U15AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone think of what might be wrong here? I have 2 EDP's being controlled with MIDI by an MPC 1000. I have 1 EDP receiving on Ch.1 sent from track one of a sequence and the other EDP on Ch.2 receiving it's messages from track 2 of the sequence. Yesterday everything worked fine. I didn't change anything, even after tripple checking it all seems to be where it should be. But now EDP 2 doesn't see any in coming messages but still syncs to Beat Clock. I even tested the situation by sending track 2's MIDI to Ch. 1 instead of Ch. 2 so that EDP 1 would receive it, and it did, that one works fine. Does this sound like a broken EDP? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 21:53:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i641qFt18442; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:52:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:52:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c4616a$daa09080$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040703083712.0280beb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Stereo-zation Analog Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:01:43 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A rather subtle stereo-izing option is the little pink Boss Dimension C pedal. (a subtle chorus - which can be found used, though not *too* easily) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 22:10:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6428bv22242; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c4616d$2b7c1c20$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040703083712.0280beb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <003801c4616a$daa09080$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: Re: Re:Stereo-zation Analog Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:18:17 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops - The pink one is the Boss Digital Dimension DC-3 with 4 knobs (also quite good for subtle stereo-izing) and the DImension C is a light purpley thang with 4 buttons. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott M2" To: Sent: Saturday, 03 July, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Re:Stereo-zation Analog > A rather subtle stereo-izing option is the little pink > Boss Dimension C pedal. (a subtle chorus - which > can be found used, though not *too* easily) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 23:18:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i643H3s01306; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dd01c46176$9e0cf120$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Drinking Box Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:25:55 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 3 23:24:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i643Luu01926; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c46176$39054b60$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <200407022100.i62L0t828801@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040703083712.0280beb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Portland, Oregon Loopers? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:23:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm in Portland, Oregon, and I just turned 21 a few days ago. I've been gigging (as an electric bassist, in regular bands) since I was 15, but being a minor meant I didn't get a chance to really experience the local scene, beyond where I was playing. I'm hoping to learn more about the art of looping and eventually pick up the equipment to do it myself. Are any of you living or giging in the Portland area? I'd love to check out more local musicians, or meet / jam with new people! -Jonathan Chase www.badspatula.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 01:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i645KVg23695; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c46185$5a911a20$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Live looping percussion - thoughts? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:11:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As far as the easiest way for the drummer to find a comfortable tempo and > "lock" it, I'd say just use the tap tempo feature. I've not used beat > detect, but I suspect that it might have its quirks and difficulties, and > you'd still have to press a button to lock it. As far as EDP's drifting, > again I don't have experience using one, but I'd guess tap tempo would > provide more consitent results, assuming you'd slave the EDP's to the > repeater's tempo. We do slave my EDPs to the Repeater. That's one of the most exciting things for both of us, and why I'm intent on finding the best way to handle this "initial tempo issue". > I use tap tempo all the time with the repeater and it's > invaluable. The only way I could see the beat detect and then tempo lock > being more appropriate is if he's going to just jam on a beat and then > wouldn' have a free foot or hand to tap that tempo in real quick. The only > hang up I see with tap tempo is that I've found it's sometimes difficult to > tap in a slow tempo when the 'peater is at a fast one. I guess the best way > to know though would be to experiment. Like I said, I have a feeling the > beat detect mode isn't all it's cracked up to be. Someone correct me if I'm > wrong. Thanks! All great info. Tomorrow (Sunday) we'll get together again, so I'll know more about beat detect then. In the meantime, here's a situation we pondered after trying out the repeater in USER MODE last time: He would just start playing a little rhythmic figure, not using tap tempo on the Repeater and not in BEAT DETECT mode. So, regardless of the current tempo of the Repeater, he would start recording the loop on the one beat, and stop it on the one of the next measure, in tempo with his playing, all in perfect-drummer-like fashion. :) And the loop would play back seamlessly, and seemingly in rhythm, with a good loop boundary. But of course, the Repeater seemed to have quantized those actions to match with the tempo it had, and stretched the loop to fit. I believe this is the basic function of Loop Point Assist. By the way, when we'd do this, subsequent hits on Multiply caused the loop to warble a bit before it stabilized. I suspect that has to do with the original stretching of the loop, and thus the misalignment of the audio with the actual tempo of the loop from the Repeater's point of view. This situation also sends MIDI clock to my EDPs that is rhythmically unrelated to the actual audio on the loop. I know that tap tempo'ing the loop and having a very close tempo before you start recording, eliminates this problem. I assume that a combination of BEAT DETECT and then a hit on TEMPO LOCK does the same thing. - Anybody know if I'm right about my assumptions above? We won't necc. *always* use this approach, but it's one that comes naturally to us both, so we want to get it down. There *will* be times that I start playing, and he tap tempo's the Repeater to set our clocks. That works fine. PS - If you've read all of this because this somehow interests you :), I'd love to hear your ideas and experiences with this, especialy if you have a Repeater. Mark S., you out there? > Jason > > p.s. Texa, eh? What part? Maybe we need to get a gulf south thing going > soon. I'm in the big boot and have been discussing the possiblity of > organizing shows with a fellow Louisiana looper recently. Keep us up to date > on your progress We're in Houston. Email me off list, and let's chat. We won't be ready for anything live for a few months at a minimum, but I'd love to hear more about what you're doing! PSS - Thanks in advance to anyone who decides to reply on my first post in this thread. I really owe this list a lot, and I tend to ask more questions that I answer, so I *really* owe you guys after this one. Thanks!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 04:38:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i648b1e29472; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <155.3897e8bf.2e14f171@aol.com> References: <155.3897e8bf.2e14f171@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <42FD9402-CD95-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Ted @ iTunes Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:36:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, Ted. And still no Terje Rypdal or Steve Tibbetts on iTunes. Mark On Jun 30, 2004, at 9:47 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 04:51:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i648oEW31359; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:50:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:50:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040702175501.98922.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040702175501.98922.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2757CD6D-CD97-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Stereo-zation Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:50:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I think Mark has the DM4, it's probably reasonable to say that if you like the DM4, then you will probably like the MM4 for modulation effects. It almost certainly is not up the standards of the TC SCF, but it covers a broader range of effects and does so reasonably competently. So, one of the things you need to ask yourself is how much range you need. Do you want a great chorus or do you want several pretty good effects. Finally, if you are putting the EH16 on a table top, you could presumably put a Vortex on the same table. Bill Frisell totes an MPX100 around and uses it without a rack. My SansAmp + Vortex combination is tempting me to sell a bunch of stuff except for liking the notion of being able to gig with no rack which doesn't really work once you go past one rack item. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 04:53:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i648qa331924; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1088931143.40e7c54702afc@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 04:52:23 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ted @ iTunes References: <155.3897e8bf.2e14f171@aol.com> <42FD9402-CD95-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <42FD9402-CD95-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 204.251.173.18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 30, 2004, at 9:47 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. that's cool. i'm trying to get Andre LaFosse to sign up for the Emusic.com deal with CDBaby. i don't know if he will though .. Emusic is my favourite ... all sorts of fringe artists and no DRM. high bitrates as well. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 05:12:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i649ApL05031; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 05:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 05:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1088931143.40e7c54702afc@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <155.3897e8bf.2e14f171@aol.com> <42FD9402-CD95-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> <1088931143.40e7c54702afc@www.suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ted @ iTunes Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:10:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <_lWaRC.A.IOB.8l85AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Jun 30, 2004, at 9:47 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >> and Viztas. On Jul 4, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Eric Williamson wrote: > that's cool. i'm trying to get Andre LaFosse to sign up for the > Emusic.com deal > with CDBaby. i don't know if he will though .. > > Emusic is my favourite ... all sorts of fringe artists and no DRM. > high bitrates > as well. Hmm... I don't remember where I bought Andre's record. But it's really cool these days that you can have your records out at a lot of places on the net. Not like old days artist contracts where you had to sign away exclusive distribution rights to only one label. Another nice digital music retailer, IMHO, is http://www.magnatune.com/. I the vibe of their business model. I wonder if they make more or less money by letting customers decide the price? :-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 07:08:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64B4aP31500; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040704114441.02805c10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:02:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Live looping percussion - mic isolation In-Reply-To: <200407040056.i640ubZ08888@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407040056.i640ubZ08888@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:56 04/07/04, you wrote: >Mic/Isolation Questions: >- I suspect we need 1 or 2 hyper cardoid condenser mics to achieve maximum >isolation? condensers will have better isolation. ( the off-axis frequency response is smoother) hyper-cardioid s OK, but remember there's some pickup from directly behind the mic. It's not so easy to find the exact spot for sound cancellation A good cardioid will have v.useful rejection at the rear of the mic, so if it can be pointed away from your cab, maybe that would actually be the best option. The absolute in separation is a figure-8 pattern, if you have the patience to work it out and set it up. Another idea is to have 2 identical mics out of phase, and pointed in exactly the same direction. Then only a sound near to one mic, but not the other should be picked up. >- Any recommendations on good but not-too-expensive condenser mics? Oktava the MK 012 set has a hyper-cardioid option if you want to try that MK 102 is available v.cheap andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 08:28:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64CPJ717592; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <40E7F971.1080901@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:34:57 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live looping percussion - mic isolation References: <200407040056.i640ubZ08888@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040704114441.02805c10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040704114441.02805c10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-kjO9C.A.WSE.jc_5AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> - Any recommendations on good but not-too-expensive condenser mics? > > > Oktava > the MK 012 set has a hyper-cardioid option if you want to try that > > MK 102 is available v.cheap > > > andy butler These mics are great for drums and acoustic instruments in general. They are cheap but they're not a "cheap solution". luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 11:13:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64FAbW18118; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <45EC51E0-CDCC-11D8-A69C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:10:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live Looping at a very nice cafe out on Bainbridge Island: Saturday, July 10, 7:30PM, Pegasus Coffee (131 Parfitt Way SW, Bainbridge Is.) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 11:30:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64FSiD21907; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:28:25 EDT Subject: Re: Ted @ iTunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i64FSZh21867 Resent-Message-ID: <_Gc8VC.A.6VF.kIC6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/4/04 1:36:45 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >Wow, Ted. And still no Terje Rypdal or Steve Tibbetts on iTunes. Just one of the little ironies of life. Rypdal and Tibbetts are like two of the brightest lights in MY musical sky. I own every scrap of product either of these guys have ever produced -- along with David Torn, Bill Frisell, Fripp and a number of others. It's hard to describe how this makes me feel -- other than to say strangely uncomfortable. Those guys are my heroes. Hope you are doing well Mark. Making any music? Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 12:01:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64Fx2h30068; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <67.2d2181ec.2e198332@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:58:42 EDT Subject: Re: Ted @ iTunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i64Fwrh30000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Message dated 7/4/04 1:52:37 AM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com writes: >Emusic.com is my favorite. All that string of type has followed my "signature" for a while now. Yes, CDbaby is the outfit that got me the bulk of that distribution. They haven't come through with an Emusic connection for me yet though. I have no idea why. Maybe Emusic has better taste than that. Here's some info on those distribution points BTW: AliveAudio Online radio and download store. Alive Audio sells FLACs (Free Lossless Audio Codec) which sound MUCH better than mp3s. $6.50 per full-album. Apple iTunes Downloadable program for Mac and Windows. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. AudioLunchbox One of the first all-independent music download sites. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. BuyMusic A la carte downloads for 79 cents for anyone with Windows IE browser. 59 cents per song. $5.90 per full-album. CatchMusic Site that offers a la carte downloads and focuses on independent music. 55 cents per song. DiscLogic Site that offers a la carte downloads. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. EMEPE3 Website that primarily targets Latin America, USA and Spain. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. eMusic Website for Mac, Windows, Linux where members can download up to 40 tracks per month of high-quality MP3 files. Total subscriber income divided among total download activity. Ends up being about 67 cents per song. Etherstream Website that offers a la carte downloads. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. GraniteRocks Download store that focuses strictly on music from New England. Will only be available to artists who reside in New England. >From 63 to 72 cents per song, depending on customer discount Lindows Lindows Media Player with built in music store. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. Music4Cents Retails independent music at very reasonable prices. 55 cents per song. $5.50 per full-album. MusicIsHere Site that offers a la carte downloads - based in the Latvia (which just became a member of the European Union on May 1, 2004). 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. MusicMatch A popular audio jukebox program for Windows that recently added this service built-in to their player. 60 cents per song. $5.50 per full-album. MusicNet AOL's bundled service, right now for AOL members on Windows only. Will be working with Tower and Virgin's download services. 60 cents per song. $7.00 per full-album. $.002 per stream. Napster Downloadable program for Windows. Yes it's now legal and paying. 60 cents per song. $6.00 per full-album. NetMusic Digital download and streaming service. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. Puretracks Canada-only service that offers $.99 downloads. Website is currently available to Candian residents only. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. QTRnote Website that offers a la carte downloads. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. Rhapsody Downloadable program for Windows, based more towards playing/streaming/ listening than downloading. Rhapsody is owned by Real Networks. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. 1 cent per stream. RuleRadio Online radio and download store. 65 cents per song. $6.50 per full-album. Sony Connect Sony's new digital download store. 65 cents per song. $6.55 per full-album. Viztas Viztas Digital Marketplace will sell all kinds of digital media - not just music. 60 cents per song. $6.10 per full-album. But before any of you gets too excited or whatever about this digital distribution thing. To put it in perspective, I've made only a few dollars so far from any of it. I've had vastly more income paid from ASCAP for radio play fer gosh sakes! I'm not holding my breath for sudden fame and fortune to come sneaking up on me any time. I don't expect that will ever happen as long as I'm playing the kind of music that interests me. Maybe if I play ABBA covers and wear one of those large-lapelled one-piece jumpsuits . . . heheh. Ooof Dah! That ought to do it! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 14:51:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64IdjH04825; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040704114441.02805c10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200407040056.i640ubZ08888@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040704114441.02805c10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0FA62673-CDEA-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Live looping percussion - mic isolation Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:43:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this will sound like heresy to the dyed in the wool percussionists, but why not go digital? I had a little Roland hand-drum thing... forgot the model number but it was pretty cheap, you didn't need sticks to play it (good if you're a guitarist switching off like me) and it had some decent sounds. For what you're going to spend on mics and whatnot, why not buy something like this? If you've got some extra scratch go hog wild and get one of the cheaper Roland kits for $1200 or the Handsonic. Just offering an alternative. Also, I get perverse satisfaction about being able to mimic "the real world" using computer gear. Can you tell I liked all 3 Matrix movies? Mark On Jul 4, 2004, at 4:02 AM, a k butler wrote: > At 01:56 04/07/04, you wrote: >> Mic/Isolation Questions: >> - I suspect we need 1 or 2 hyper cardoid condenser mics to achieve >> maximum >> isolation? > > condensers will have better isolation. > ( the off-axis frequency response is smoother) > > hyper-cardioid s OK, but remember there's some pickup > from directly behind the mic. It's not so easy to find the exact > spot for sound cancellation > > A good cardioid will have v.useful rejection at the rear of the mic, > so if it can be pointed away from your cab, maybe that would > actually be the best option. > > The absolute in separation is a figure-8 pattern, > if you have the patience to work it out and set it up. > > Another idea is to have 2 identical mics out of phase, and pointed > in exactly the same direction. > Then only a sound near to one mic, but not the other should be > picked up. > > >> - Any recommendations on good but not-too-expensive condenser mics? > > Oktava > the MK 012 set has a hyper-cardioid option if you want to try that > > MK 102 is available v.cheap > > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 15:16:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64J9FY13530; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:09:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: Is my Echoplex broken? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:09:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is receiving beat clock but not any of the note messages. I just got everything working and then the next day it's back to fixing something rather than playing something. TECHNOLOGY IS A FEABLE WHORE !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old gritty typewriter font, anyone want one? ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 15:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64JHTr15187; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:17:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Is my Echoplex broken? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 12:21:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean the feeble whore that you went to to send out this email or another feeble whore? On Jul 4, 2004, at 12:09 PM, John Metzler wrote: > It is receiving beat clock but not any of the note messages. > > > I just got everything working and then the next day it's back to > fixing something rather than playing something. TECHNOLOGY IS A > FEABLE WHORE !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old > gritty typewriter font, anyone want one? > > ---John M. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 15:39:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64JcqK21176; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:38:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1006425808 Message-Id: From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: Is my Echoplex a whore Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:38:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <1HhFgB.A.eKF.EzF6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--1006425808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed He meant your mother....oooohh. No man, just kidding -- and I would like a bumper sticker b/c I work Apple tech support in the AM to pay for the PM. About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I could afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time soon. I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be schlepped around like a keyboard. So my current live rig includes a Minimoog Voyager, Roland Handsonic, TC Helicon Voiceone, Edirol UA-700, Alesis Airsynth, an ipod for loops (boo, I know), and a Samson Airline vocal wireless headset (I love). So I pretty much use the Handsonic's built-in looper to loop rhythms that I sing voice-effects over while playing rhythms/leads/basses with the Moog. So to me, it's become obvious that a Gibson Echoplex would be ideal. I could loop anything and everything, and not be limited to looping just electronic percussion. I finally just scored enough cash from selling a Korg Karma (email me privately if you want to discuss, that one's a story...) to afford the Echoplex. Would anyone advise against buying one? I just saw that email about it breaking -- is reliability an issue with it? That's pretty much the reason I've converted my entire rig to hardware vs. software because of reliability and dedicated zero latency. So, that's my intro to the forum and a question to boot. I've enjoyed reading everyone's postings so far -- and Sarth, checked out the site and really dig the tunes. Happy 4th and hope all are well, Optimus ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" *http://www.optimusrob.com* ________________________________________________________ On Jul 4, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > You mean the feeble whore that you went to to send out this email or > another feeble whore? > > On Jul 4, 2004, at 12:09 PM, John Metzler wrote: > >> It is receiving beat clock but not any of the note messages. >> >> >> I just got everything working and then the next day it's back to >> fixing something rather than playing something. TECHNOLOGY IS A >> FEABLE WHORE !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old >> gritty typewriter font, anyone want one? >> >> ---John M. >> > > --Apple-Mail-1--1006425808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII He meant your mother....oooohh. No man, just kidding -- and I would like a bumper sticker b/c I work Apple tech support in the AM to pay for the PM. About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I could afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time soon. I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be schlepped around like a keyboard. So my current live rig includes a Minimoog Voyager, Roland Handsonic, TC Helicon Voiceone, Edirol UA-700, Alesis Airsynth, an ipod for loops (boo, I know), and a Samson Airline vocal wireless headset (I love). So I pretty much use the Handsonic's built-in looper to loop rhythms that I sing voice-effects over while playing rhythms/leads/basses with the Moog. So to me, it's become obvious that a Gibson Echoplex would be ideal. I could loop anything and everything, and not be limited to looping just electronic percussion. I finally just scored enough cash from selling a Korg Karma (email me privately if you want to discuss, that one's a story...) to afford the Echoplex. Would anyone advise against buying one? I just saw that email about it breaking -- is reliability an issue with it? That's pretty much the reason I've converted my entire rig to hardware vs. software because of reliability and dedicated zero latency. So, that's my intro to the forum and a question to boot. I've enjoyed reading everyone's postings so far -- and Sarth, checked out the site and really dig the tunes. Happy 4th and hope all are well, Optimus Papyrus6E6E,ACAC,FFFF...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" *http://www.optimusrob.com* ________________________________________________________ On Jul 4, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: You mean the feeble whore that you went to to send out this email or another feeble whore? On Jul 4, 2004, at 12:09 PM, John Metzler wrote: It is receiving beat clock but not any of the note messages. I just got everything working and then the next day it's back to fixing something rather than playing something. TECHNOLOGY IS A FEABLE WHORE !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old gritty typewriter font, anyone want one? ---John M. --Apple-Mail-1--1006425808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 15:45:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64JhJX21906; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <2757CD6D-CD97-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> References: <20040702175501.98922.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <2757CD6D-CD97-11D8-ACBD-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Pandora PX4 solution and Special Ops Rig (wasRe: Stereo-zation) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 12:47:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2CnHT.A.wVF.P3F6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a MPX100 now, and it's a good little cheap processor... but it has another function in my studio. I've decided on a Korg Pandora PX4. While it does not seem as tweakable as a number of other solutions, it gives you a bunch of effects at once, which I later realized was important. I really like the ability to add some chorus/phase, reverb and maybe some delay. Most cheap solutions give you 2 effects max. My dream/goal is to gig out of a single duffel bag and I'm pretty much there. Here's the special ops rig: Steinberger 6 string into Vox Tonelab SE into mixer Effect send out into EH16DDmk2 into Korg PX4 (which I hope to velcro to the EH16) into mixer effect return (I may skip this stage) Midi out of EH16 into E-MU XL-7 which also has audio outs to mixer. So all in all that's 6 things to deal with including the guitar. Not bad. If I can get the PX4 velcroed and semi perminately affixed to the EH16 it will seem like even less. My one issue (and there's always an issue) is that the XL-7 is a TANK. Great sequencer/groovebox but it's a big steel yellow box. I thought about maybe a used electribe for stage use only... but I don't do a lot of shows. Probably not enough to warrent another purchase. I kind of like things to have a double duty so I can at least use them in the studio when I'm not gigging. One of the other great things about the EH16 for me, is that now I can have someone over and give them their own looper. I used to do this with a vocalist and a second Repeater, but I had mixed results. I think the Repeater was too complex. (damn that girl LOVED to turn on the metronome by accident!) One thing I'm noticing about the EH16DDmk2 is that there is a fidelity change. At first I thought it was just the monoization of my signal, but upon more careful listening I can hear a high end loss for sure. It's not gritty or grundgy or anything, just a bit duller. Music gear marketing people would call it "warmer." It's fine in my world for this purpose, but going back to my Repeater afterwards was like putting on glasses after spending time with blurry vision. Mark On Jul 4, 2004, at 1:50 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Since I think Mark has the DM4, it's probably reasonable to say that > if you like the DM4, then you will probably like the MM4 for > modulation effects. It almost certainly is not up the standards of the > TC SCF, but it covers a broader range of effects and does so > reasonably competently. So, one of the things you need to ask yourself > is how much range you need. Do you want a great chorus or do you want > several pretty good effects. > > Finally, if you are putting the EH16 on a table top, you could > presumably put a Vortex on the same table. Bill Frisell totes an > MPX100 around and uses it without a rack. My SansAmp + Vortex > combination is tempting me to sell a bunch of stuff except for liking > the notion of being able to gig with no rack which doesn't really work > once you go past one rack item. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 15:57:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64JtWL23493; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:52:53 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: John Metzler cc: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Is my Echoplex broken? In-Reply-To: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> Message-ID: References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4ZsDI.A._tF.sCG6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to have one! Andy On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, John Metzler wrote: > It is receiving beat clock but not any of the note messages. > > > I just got everything working and then the next day it's back to fixing > something rather than playing something. TECHNOLOGY IS A FEABLE WHORE > !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old gritty typewriter > font, anyone want one? > > ---John M. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 17:05:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i64L4h010366; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <50EF4F2A-CDFE-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Is my Echoplex a whore Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:08:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I say go for the Echoplex. Sure you'll get one with problems, but what piece of gear ships with a 0% defect rate? PS: my mom's a librarian in NJ who ran away from San Francisco in the 60s because "...friends were doing drugs and sleeping with boys." HA! Mark On Jul 4, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Optimus Rob wrote: > He meant your mother....oooohh. No man, just kidding -- and I would > like a bumper sticker b/c I work Apple tech support in the AM to pay > for the PM. > > About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I could > afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time soon. > I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be schlepped > around like a keyboard. > > So my current live rig includes a Minimoog Voyager, Roland Handsonic, > TC Helicon Voiceone, Edirol UA-700, Alesis Airsynth, an ipod for loops > (boo, I know), and a Samson Airline vocal wireless headset (I love). > So I pretty much use the Handsonic's built-in looper to loop rhythms > that I sing voice-effects over while playing rhythms/leads/basses with > the Moog. > > So to me, it's become obvious that a Gibson Echoplex would be ideal. > I could loop anything and everything, and not be limited to looping > just electronic percussion. I finally just scored enough cash from > selling a Korg Karma (email me privately if you want to discuss, that > one's a story...) to afford the Echoplex. > > Would anyone advise against buying one? I just saw that email about > it breaking -- is reliability an issue with it? That's pretty much > the reason I've converted my entire rig to hardware vs. software > because of reliability and dedicated zero latency. > > So, that's my intro to the forum and a question to boot. I've enjoyed > reading everyone's postings so far -- and Sarth, checked out the site > and really dig the tunes. > > Happy 4th and hope all are well, > Optimus > ...................................................... > > Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... > "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" > *http://www.optimusrob.com* > ________________________________________________________ > On Jul 4, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> You mean the feeble whore that you went to to send out this email or >> another feeble whore? >> >> On Jul 4, 2004, at 12:09 PM, John Metzler wrote: >> >>> It is receiving beat clock but not any of the note messages. >>> >>> >>> I just got everything working and then the next day it's back to >>> fixing something rather than playing something. TECHNOLOGY IS A >>> FEABLE WHORE !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old >>> gritty typewriter font, anyone want one? >>> >>> ---John M. >>> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 4 20:22:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i650Kvh25599; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E89DAD.7050603@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:15:41 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for June, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20jun.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for June, 2004. Shows #376 to #379; 3-June-2004 to 24-June-2004 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== The Amaranth Signal - Penumbra - none Carig Padilla - Genesis - Spotted Peccary Dave Peck - Endo-Spectra - none David Wright - Continuum - AD Music Dino Pacifici - The Float Zone - Scorpio Rising Free System Projekt and Dweller at the Threshold - Passenger 4 - Quantum Intelligentsia - Civilizations - AMP Jim Cole and Mathias Grassow - The Last Bright Light - Atmoworks Mojave Wind - Ricochet Gathering - Mojave 2003 - Ricochet Dream Neuronium - Hydro - Valley Entertainment Paul Ellis - The Sacred Ordinary - Groove Paul Ellis and Craig Padilla - Echo System - Groove Radio Massacre International - e-live 2003 - Northern Echo Richard Bone - Coxa - Quirworks Rogue Element - Premonition - Acoustic Wave URM - Synthphonics 2 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 25 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 26 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 27, disc 1 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 27, disc 2 - none Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 03:28:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i657Qqx06752; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:26:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:26:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002e01c46185$5a911a20$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <002e01c46185$5a911a20$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FA4DD37-CE55-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Live looping percussion - thoughts? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:30:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2BWLP.A.7lB.GKQ6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say that I either use the Repeater synced to a drum machine (90%) or freeform. I never try to sync to it. In beta testing I tried using it's clock out and found it do be crap. Excellent syncing to anything (even a changing clock) but horrible as master. I've jammed with Jon Wagner a number of times and we've had issues with the sync due to the way the EDP works... I don't have an EDP so I can't really comment on it. Something about sending a really fast clock rate that confused the Repeater. Had to set up the EDP in some way to prevent this, but it can and does work. Mark. On Jul 3, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > PS - If you've read all of this because this somehow interests you :), > I'd > love to hear your ideas and experiences with this, especialy if you > have a > Repeater. Mark S., you out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 07:41:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65BejD14984; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:32:58 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Help with LoopIII and Loop iv From: cameron street To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok since installing loopIV ages ago, i found everything quieter, but the limiting is to much for me. I reinstalled LoopIII today to compare. and i prefer having more headroom. but without all the new cool upgrades that i'm now used to. My setup sonically is quite complicated, i use the bass as a ElectroAcousrticResonator, so i use other instruments through my bass, to cut a long story short. nothing new, but i found getting sounds to cut through ontop of a loop more difficult since loopIV. Help please is the limiter removable or adjustable. cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 07:59:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65BwsK21362; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089028693!16460505 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FEAD@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is my Echoplex broken? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:53:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C46286.A8064760" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46286.A8064760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>TECHNOLOGY IS A FEABLE WHORE !!! I'm having bumper stickers that say that in old gritty typewriter font, anyone want one?<< yeah, if you spell it right! :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C46286.A8064760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 12:52:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65GqK027135; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:52:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:50:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Help with LoopIII and Loop iv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Ok since installing loopIV ages ago, i found everything quieter, >but the limiting is to much for me. >I reinstalled LoopIII today to compare. and i prefer having more headroom. hm... the limiter is a pure hardware cirquit, it cannot change with the software. but there is also a subtle digital gate in it, the threshold of it may have changed slighty... >but without all the new cool upgrades that i'm now used to. >My setup sonically is quite complicated, i use the bass as a >ElectroAcousrticResonator, >so i use other instruments through my bass, to cut a long story short. >nothing new, but i found getting sounds to cut through ontop of a >loop more difficult since loopIV. sorry, I think you have been misslead by some other problem... did anyone else hear that when upgrading? >Help please >is the limiter removable or adjustable. only with a solder iron, and all you win is that it distorts instead of limiting >cam -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 12:53:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65GqlH27360; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:52:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:52:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:35:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: laptop on stage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I >could afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time >soon. I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be >schlepped around like a keyboard. what do you mean, did it break? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 12:53:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65GqIg27110; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:52:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1FA4DD37-CE55-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <002e01c46185$5a911a20$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <1FA4DD37-CE55-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:45:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: EDP - Repeater sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have to say that I either use the Repeater synced to a drum >machine (90%) or freeform. I never try to sync to it. In beta >testing I tried using it's clock out and found it do be crap. >Excellent syncing to anything (even a changing clock) but horrible >as master. > >I've jammed with Jon Wagner a number of times and we've had issues >with the sync due to the way the EDP works... I don't have an EDP so >I can't really comment on it. Something about sending a really fast >clock rate that confused the Repeater. Had to set up the EDP in >some way to prevent this, but it can and does work. thats mainly a Repeater issue, I would say: it does not accept clock faster than 200bpm or so. I dont have one, some owner can tell exactly? But yes, you have to set 8th/beat on the EDP in a way that it corresponds to the loop time. If the speed does not end up between 25 and 350bpm, it does not send any clock. or better: Allways Record the first loop within a range that fits to your 8th/beat and then multiply it, which is also more flexible for changes during the piece, keeps your LEDs counting reasonably and allows the Repeater to follow! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 13:07:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65H6eu03146; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--929251610 Message-Id: <71B97A12-CEA5-11D8-97AE-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: laptop on stage Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:04:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--929251610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It didn't break, just glitched-up too many times for comfort. For example, I had Reason open and about to trigger my first loop and the machine froze -- right after introducing myself getting the audience's attention, all eyes awaiting a built-up start, and then a 4 min. wait while the machine restarted and program reopened. On a separate occasion, the machine started up to a black screen three times in a row before powering on -- holding up my start time nearly 15 min. I carry it in a hardshell case with ample foam and it typically works fine without a hiccup at home (of course). Perhaps it got stage-fright, but I know for certain I'm frightened of using it again onstage. Not having the convenience of a computer onstage has actually added a bit more virtuosity to my performances. I'm enjoying the simplicity of a hardware-based set-up, nice to turn everything on and be set. Don't get me wrong, the Powerbook's still the heart of my recording "studio" set-up -- just not a welcome addition in live contexts anymore. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 5, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I >> could afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time >> soon. I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be >> schlepped around like a keyboard. > > what do you mean, did it break? > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --Apple-Mail-1--929251610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It didn't break, just glitched-up too many times for comfort. For example, I had Reason open and about to trigger my first loop and the machine froze -- right after introducing myself getting the audience's attention, all eyes awaiting a built-up start, and then a 4 min. wait while the machine restarted and program reopened. On a separate occasion, the machine started up to a black screen three times in a row before powering on -- holding up my start time nearly 15 min. I carry it in a hardshell case with ample foam and it typically works fine without a hiccup at home (of course). Perhaps it got stage-fright, but I know for certain I'm frightened of using it again onstage. Not having the convenience of a computer onstage has actually added a bit more virtuosity to my performances. I'm enjoying the simplicity of a hardware-based set-up, nice to turn everything on and be set. Don't get me wrong, the Powerbook's still the heart of my recording "studio" set-up -- just not a welcome addition in live contexts anymore. Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 5, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I could afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time soon. I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be schlepped around like a keyboard. what do you mean, did it break? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --Apple-Mail-1--929251610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 14:45:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65IgZg08432; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:42:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:42:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040705111743.04c96578@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:50:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Stopped taking MIDI commands. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:54 PM 7/3/2004, John Metzler wrote: >I have 2 EDP's being controlled with MIDI by an MPC 1000. I have 1 EDP >receiving on Ch.1 sent from track one of a sequence and the other EDP on >Ch.2 receiving it's messages from track 2 of the sequence. >Yesterday everything worked fine. I didn't change anything, even >after tripple checking it all seems to be where it should be. But now EDP >2 doesn't see any in coming messages but still syncs to Beat Clock. when you say "Beat Clock" I assume you mean MIDI clock? If it can receive MIDI clock, then it is receiving MIDI fine. The problem isn't the Echoplex, it must be something else in your setup. Are all the MIDI parameters in the Echoplex set as you expect? To me it sounds like the MIDI channel is wrong. Or maybe you changed the ControlSource or Source# parameters by accident. >Does this sound like a broken EDP? no, doesn't sound like it. If it were broken no MIDI would be received. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 14:46:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65IkXX09951; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c46185$5a911a20$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <1FA4DD37-CE55-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8846C648-CEB3-11D8-B740-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP - Repeater sync Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:45:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I have to say that I either use the Repeater synced to a drum machine >> (90%) or freeform. I never try to sync to it. In beta testing I >> tried using it's clock out and found it do be crap. Excellent syncing >> to anything (even a changing clock) but horrible as master. >> >> I've jammed with Jon Wagner a number of times and we've had issues >> with the sync due to the way the EDP works... I don't have an EDP so >> I can't really comment on it. Something about sending a really fast >> clock rate that confused the Repeater. Had to set up the EDP in some >> way to prevent this, but it can and does work. On Jul 5, 2004, at 6:45 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > thats mainly a Repeater issue, I would say: it does not accept clock > faster than 200bpm or so. I dont have one, some owner can tell > exactly? I have noticed that my Repeater performs best at tempi between 40 and 80 BPM. I usually slave the Repeater to midi clock from my EDP and if I should find myself in a situation where the Repeater reads more than 80 BPM I step my midi foot controller for a program change msg that calls up another EDP program with only a difference in the 8th/cycle setting, which induces a different tempo being sent out from the EDP. I also try to never record so many loops on the Repeater that the machine has to use the CFC card. Trying to always stay in RAM only. I have set up one midi foot pedal for "erase loop" that I use a lot with the Repeater. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 15:22:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65JM0025926; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c462c5$2d236430$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zvex Effects Inquiry Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:20:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is sound clips on the site now. Personally, I think it is wonderful, but $300 USD is a touch too much. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Zvex Effects Inquiry > Hey folks, > > I've got a little question for any of you out there with > hands-on experience with Zvex pedals. I always visit > their booth at NAMM and come away amused and > amazed. Zack is a pretty creative guy. > > I am considering purchasing a Zvex Ooh Wah (similar to > the Seek Wah -- only it also has a random mode). Anywho, > I am curious about the signal quality in bypass mode. > Any comments, criticisms, complaints, recommendations? > > 'Tis a spendy little pedal. And although I like the idea behind > the effect, the fidelity of the straight signal in bypass > mode always concerns me when buying FX online without > having played with 'em in the store with at least my own > guitar along first. > > They also have a new pedal out called the Seek Trem. > Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of that? > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 15:23:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65JJJ524834; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:19:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:19:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:18:34 EDT Subject: Zvex Effects Inquiry To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i65JIlh24475 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks, I've got a little question for any of you out there with hands-on experience with Zvex pedals. I always visit their booth at NAMM and come away amused and amazed. Zack is a pretty creative guy. I am considering purchasing a Zvex Ooh Wah (similar to the Seek Wah -- only it also has a random mode). Anywho, I am curious about the signal quality in bypass mode. Any comments, criticisms, complaints, recommendations? 'Tis a spendy little pedal. And although I like the idea behind the effect, the fidelity of the straight signal in bypass mode always concerns me when buying FX online without having played with 'em in the store with at least my own guitar along first. They also have a new pedal out called the Seek Trem. Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of that? Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 15:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65JYh830386; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c462c7$70ba7ba0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zvex Effects Inquiry Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:36:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.204.195] at Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:33:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a FuzzFactory and it seems pretty transparent when it's not on. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Zvex Effects Inquiry > Hey folks, > > I've got a little question for any of you out there with > hands-on experience with Zvex pedals. I always visit > their booth at NAMM and come away amused and > amazed. Zack is a pretty creative guy. > > I am considering purchasing a Zvex Ooh Wah (similar to > the Seek Wah -- only it also has a random mode). Anywho, > I am curious about the signal quality in bypass mode. > Any comments, criticisms, complaints, recommendations? > > 'Tis a spendy little pedal. And although I like the idea behind > the effect, the fidelity of the straight signal in bypass > mode always concerns me when buying FX online without > having played with 'em in the store with at least my own > guitar along first. > > They also have a new pedal out called the Seek Trem. > Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of that? > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 15:55:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65JtJX05899; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040705205023.027eb6a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:52:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Help with LoopIII and Loop iv In-Reply-To: <200407051707.i65H76s03440@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407051707.i65H76s03440@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1OFIjB.A.yYB.5Hb6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 18:07 05/07/04, you wrote: >Ok since installing loopIV ages ago, i found everything quieter, >but the limiting is to much for me. >I reinstalled LoopIII today to compare. and i prefer having more headroom. >but without all the new cool upgrades that i'm now used to. >My setup sonically is quite complicated, i use the bass as a >ElectroAcousrticResonator, >so i use other instruments through my bass, to cut a long story short. >nothing new, but i found getting sounds to cut through ontop of a loop >more difficult since loopIV. >Help please >is the limiter removable or adjustable. >cam Hey Matthias, Could this be caused by the DC offset? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:09:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65K8LC12365; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:07:23 EDT Subject: midi foot controller questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc.2e266c73.2e1b0efb_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cc.2e266c73.2e1b0efb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I'm about to delve into the world of looping, probably via the echoplex, latest version. I want to be able to control this with a midi foot controller [all the functions that are on the gibson foot pedal thing at least]. Also I'll be wanting to control several other modules - Kurzweil KSP8, Digitech super harmony machine etc. Which midi foot controllers do folks have experience with, which ones work with the latest version of the echoplex, etc. I read some posts about the Ground control not working too well - is that still an issue? is the Rocktron all access a much better bet? thanks! Dave --part1_cc.2e266c73.2e1b0efb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!

I'm about to delve into the world of looping, probably via the echoplex, lat= est version.

I want to be able to control this with a midi foot controller [all the funct= ions that are on the gibson foot pedal thing at least].  Also I'll be w= anting to control several other modules - Kurzweil KSP8, Digitech super harm= ony machine etc.

Which midi foot controllers do folks have experience with, which ones work w= ith the latest version of the echoplex, etc.  I read some posts about t= he Ground control not working too well - is that still an issue?  is th= e Rocktron all access a much better bet?

thanks!
Dave

 --part1_cc.2e266c73.2e1b0efb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:12:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KCBR14265; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:11:14 EDT Subject: multiple instrument looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to loop live using more than one instrument, probably using the Echoplex latest version. I play both guitar and electric violin. I'd like to set up loops using probably acoustic guitar [with pickup] for rhythm and then add on top with violin [with pickup]. I also may want to lay down some percussion loops as well. How is the best way to set up mutiple instruments in this way? Also anyone have experience using the Roland handsonic or other midi percussion for looping? thanks Dave --part1_1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to loop live using more th= an one instrument, probably using the Echoplex latest version.  I play=20= both guitar and electric violin.  I'd like to set up loops using probab= ly acoustic guitar [with pickup] for rhythm and then add on top with violin=20= [with pickup].  I also may want to lay down some percussion loops as we= ll.  How is the best way to set up mutiple instruments in this way?&nbs= p;

Also anyone have experience using the Roland handsonic or other midi percuss= ion for looping?

thanks
Dave --part1_1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:13:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KCai14508; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:12:02 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: <9rgzX.A.WfD.eYb6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe --part1_1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:17:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KGRt16067; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:16:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <001032BC-CEC0-11D8-A65E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi foot controller questions Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:15:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i65KFAh15552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm happy with a Behringer FCB1010. Spec's available at the Behringer web site. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On Jul 5, 2004, at 10:07 PM, Violindave@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > > I'm about to delve into the world of looping, probably via the > echoplex, latest version. > > I want to be able to control this with a midi foot controller [all > the functions that are on the gibson foot pedal thing at least].  Also > I'll be wanting to control several other modules - Kurzweil KSP8, > Digitech super harmony machine etc. > > Which midi foot controllers do folks have experience with, which ones > work with the latest version of the echoplex, etc.  I read some posts > about the Ground control not working too well - is that still an > issue?  is the Rocktron all access a much better bet? > > thanks! > Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:17:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KGJY16038; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:15:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C462AB.4F208F00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcRizD0HiHWy1r8ZS12+7V0XcdosJwAAIj4w Message-ID: <1089058481.31185@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C462AB.4F208F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, Why would you post two questions in rapid succession and then unsubscribe? Weird. DM _____ From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C462AB.4F208F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave,

 

Why would you post two questions in = rapid succession and then unsubscribe?

 

Weird.

 

DM

 

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Sent: Monday, July 05, = 2004 4:12 PM
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C462AB.4F208F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:21:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KJeL17511; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:19:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2@aol.com> References: <1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <82B1C60B-CEC0-11D8-A65E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: multiple instrument looping Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:18:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i65KInh17114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All instrument connected to a mixer where you chose the signal to be sent into the looping machine. Or you can have a "switch blade" pedal. Or they "poor mans solution" that I'm using - moving over a microphone to the instrument to be looped, the mic being instantly connected to the loopers input. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On Jul 5, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Violindave@aol.com wrote: > I want to loop live using more than one instrument, probably using the > Echoplex latest version.  I play both guitar and electric violin.  I'd > like to set up loops using probably acoustic guitar [with pickup] for > rhythm and then add on top with violin [with pickup].  I also may want > to lay down some percussion loops as well.  How is the best way to set > up mutiple instruments in this way?  > > Also anyone have experience using the Roland handsonic or other midi > percussion for looping? > > thanks > Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:22:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KLYX18277; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E9B829.3010904@biink.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:20:57 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Violindave@aol.com wrote: > unsubscribe Sorry we pissed you off man... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 16:27:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65KQaI20172; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:26:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:26:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2@aol.com> References: <1ad.25ba0da7.2e1b0fe2@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--917232000 Message-Id: <6DF85DEF-CEC1-11D8-97AE-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: multiple instrument looping Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:25:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--917232000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Dave, I use a Roland Handsonic in combination with a Minimoog Voyager on=20 stage to create loops on stage. I've found the Handonic's internal=20 sequencer to be a bit limiting but usable nonetheless until I can=20 acquire an Echoplex, or Repeater. With the Handsonic, you have an=20 option of creating a 2, 4, or 8 bar loop or just a long-one shot -- I=20 think up to 8 min. or longer. The only problem is that there's really=20= no seamless way of stopping recording, playing the loop, and beginning=20= another loop. Its sequencer's really not geared for live performance,=20= although beforehand, it is quite handy to set-up homemade drum loops=20 b/c it allows you to trim the in/out points. I think using an external looper like the echoplex would be great in=20 combination with a handsonic. In regards to your question about=20 multiple instruments, that one's easy. Just run them all into a mixer=20= and patch in the echoplex as a send/return effect on the instrument=20 channels you want to loop. At least that would be my suggestion,=20 though I anticipate there will be others that are more advanced. How do you like your Handsonic? Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 5, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Violindave@aol.com wrote: > I want to loop live using more than one instrument, probably using the=20= > Echoplex latest version.=A0 I play both guitar and electric violin.=A0 = I'd=20 > like to set up loops using probably acoustic guitar [with pickup] for=20= > rhythm and then add on top with violin [with pickup].=A0 I also may = want=20 > to lay down some percussion loops as well.=A0 How is the best way to = set=20 > up mutiple instruments in this way?=A0 > > Also anyone have experience using the Roland handsonic or other midi=20= > percussion for looping? > > thanks > Dave= --Apple-Mail-4--917232000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Dave, I use a Roland Handsonic in combination with a Minimoog Voyager on stage to create loops on stage. I've found the Handonic's internal sequencer to be a bit limiting but usable nonetheless until I can acquire an Echoplex, or Repeater. With the Handsonic, you have an option of creating a 2, 4, or 8 bar loop or just a long-one shot -- I think up to 8 min. or longer. The only problem is that there's really no seamless way of stopping recording, playing the loop, and beginning another loop. Its sequencer's really not geared for live performance, although beforehand, it is quite handy to set-up homemade drum loops b/c it allows you to trim the in/out points. =20 I think using an external looper like the echoplex would be great in combination with a handsonic. In regards to your question about multiple instruments, that one's easy. Just run them all into a mixer and patch in the echoplex as a send/return effect on the instrument channels you want to loop. At least that would be my suggestion, though I anticipate there will be others that are more advanced. =20 How do you like your Handsonic? =20 = Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get = Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob =20 = Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0......................................................=20 Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 http://www.optimusrob.com = _________________________________________________ On Jul 5, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Violindave@aol.com wrote: ArialI want to loop live using more than one instrument, probably using the Echoplex latest version.=A0 I play both guitar and electric violin.=A0 I'd like to set = up loops using probably acoustic guitar [with pickup] for rhythm and then add on top with violin [with pickup].=A0 I also may want to lay down some percussion loops as well.=A0 How is the best way to set up mutiple instruments in this way?=A0 Arial Also anyone have experience using the Roland handsonic or other midi percussion for = looping? Arial thanks Arial = Dave= --Apple-Mail-4--917232000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 17:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65LGBP08054; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Zvex Effects Inquiry In-Reply-To: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I've got a little question for any of you out there with > hands-on experience with Zvex pedals. I always visit > their booth at NAMM and come away amused and > amazed. Zack is a pretty creative guy. > > I am considering purchasing a Zvex Ooh Wah (similar to > the Seek Wah -- only it also has a random mode). Anywho, > I am curious about the signal quality in bypass mode. > Any comments, criticisms, complaints, recommendations? True bypass. Sounds clean to me. I have and use a Z-Vex SHO(verdrive), Woolly Mammoth bass fuzz, Seek Wah, Ooh Wah, and Lo-Fi Loop Junky. They're great pedals. Batteries last forever, they take up little room in the bag or on the stage, solid as heck. I strongly recommend Z-Vex pedals. I will say that each Seek Wah and Ooh Wah sounds slightly different from each other when it's *not* bypassed, so if you're not happy with the tone of a given Seek Wah or Ooh wah when it's on, try another. It's a subtle difference, but it is present. > 'Tis a spendy little pedal. And although I like the idea behind > the effect, the fidelity of the straight signal in bypass > mode always concerns me when buying FX online without > having played with 'em in the store with at least my own > guitar along first. You'll be just fine. > They also have a new pedal out called the Seek Trem. > Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of that? Zachary just started shipping them late last week, and my local Z-Vex dealer didn't have any Seek-Trems in yet as of Saturday (I got the email from Z-Vex Friday night). I hope my local dealer will have a Seek-Trem in this week and it will be mine. Yes. Yesss..... Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 17:45:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65LiWd19004; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1089058481.31185@mx64a.mysite4now.com> References: <1089058481.31185@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:47:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i65LhSh18578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Better yet, why would you ask a question and make a feeble attempt to unsubscribe because you didn't read the instructions on LD? Basically use any mixer with an effects send/return and put the EDP in that and you should have no problem with looping any number of instruments you have channels for. Mark On Jul 5, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: > Dave, > >   > > Why would you post two questions in rapid succession and then > unsubscribe? > >   > > Weird. > >   > > DM > >   > > > From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: unsubscribe > >   > > unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 18:46:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65MjrB10031; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:44:38 -0400 From: Violindave@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2725B37D.55532423.0D1936D1@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 138.88.125.61 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I subscribed to the digest and it told me to unsubscribe from the individual list - I made an error in how to do that obviously. Must not be perfect enough to be on this list ;-)) I can see how that looked weird though! thanks for the helpful responses, nevertheless. >Better yet, why would you ask a question and make a feeble attempt to >unsubscribe because you didn't read the instructions on LD? > >Basically use any mixer with an effects send/return and put the EDP in >that and you should have no problem with looping any number of >instruments you have channels for. > >Mark > >On Jul 5, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: > >> Dave, >> >>   >> >> Why would you post two questions in rapid succession and then >> unsubscribe? >> >>   >> >> Weird. >> >>   >> >> DM >> >>   >> >> >> From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] >>  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:12 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: unsubscribe >> >>   >> >> unsubscribe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 18:47:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65MkoJ10364; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:44:33 -0400 From: Violindave@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79D5736C.12630A1D.0D1936D1@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 138.88.125.61 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I subscribed to the digest and it told me to unsubscribe from the individual list - I made an error in how to do that obviously. Must not be perfect enough to be on this list ;-)) I can see how that looked weird though! thanks for the helpful responses, nevertheless. >Better yet, why would you ask a question and make a feeble attempt to >unsubscribe because you didn't read the instructions on LD? > >Basically use any mixer with an effects send/return and put the EDP in >that and you should have no problem with looping any number of >instruments you have channels for. > >Mark > >On Jul 5, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: > >> Dave, >> >>   >> >> Why would you post two questions in rapid succession and then >> unsubscribe? >> >>   >> >> Weird. >> >>   >> >> DM >> >>   >> >> >> From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] >>  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:12 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: unsubscribe >> >>   >> >> unsubscribe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 19:07:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65N5hN18808; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040705230530.22541.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Bitrman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c4615a$712de2c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-227875516-1089068730=:21581" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-227875516-1089068730=:21581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mine didn't come with a footpedal but does have a jack that one can be added to. Is that a new development?...I think they also have a unit of all phasing, maybe that's worth checking out too, especially at $40...Monica David Kirkdorffer wrote: The Bitrman is one device in a series of devices from Alesis. I believe they all have a stereo capability (if you include dry and wet signal-splitting on the vocoder unit in the line). The Bitrman itself is a very versatile distortion - designed for home recording and has really cool stereo-fasing. There are some whacky and unique features but they can distract you from it's distortion-abilities. My niggle with it is it's really designed as a deskop unit. It's a pity there isn't a "footpedal version" of this. It's not at all big so we know the circuitry would fit in a pedal. Ah well, dream on David.... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarth" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: RE: Bitrman > Is this bitrman things stereo or what? > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Mine didn't come with a footpedal but does have a jack that one can be added to.
Is that a new development?...I think they also have a unit of all phasing, maybe that's worth checking out too, especially at $40...Monica

David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
The Bitrman is one device in a series of devices from Alesis. I believe
they all have a stereo capability (if you include dry and wet
signal-splitting on the vocoder unit in the line).

The Bitrman itself is a very versatile distortion - designed for home
recording and has really cool stereo-fasing. There are some whacky and
unique features but they can distract you from it's distortion-abilities.
My niggle with it is it's really designed as a deskop unit. It's a pity
there isn't a "footpedal version" of this. It's not at all big so we know
the circuitry would fit in a pedal.

Ah well, dream on David....

:-)


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Subject: RE: Bitrman


> Is this bitrman things stereo or what?
>

Do you Yahoo!?
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Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-227875516-1089068730=:21581-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 19:24:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65NNTv25800; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <71B97A12-CEA5-11D8-97AE-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> References: <9CE6F7C8-CDED-11D8-BE77-000A95B224C4@mac.com> <56F8C9D8-CDEF-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> <71B97A12-CEA5-11D8-97AE-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:52:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: laptop on stage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It didn't break, just glitched-up too many times for comfort. For >example, I had Reason open and about to trigger my first loop and >the machine froze -- right after introducing myself getting the >audience's attention, all eyes awaiting a built-up start, and then a >4 min. wait while the machine restarted and program reopened. we need to overcome such problems. Since I installed OS 10.3.3 onto my powerbook in december, it only crashed about 5 times, 3 of them due to the MIDI interface (seems an upgrade fixes this, too). And I really forced it by installing programs, talking comunicating on the net, debugging software and listening to music over FireWire... all simultaneously! And I use the machine for many hours a day, always changing configurations... and I only restart it about once a week... I had dozends if not hundreds of application crashes due to my C++ studies. And I had some crashes of audio aplications... I dont say its totally save, but geting more confident that we can get there! In the beginning I rejected OSX and earlyer versions had their problems. I was afraid not to have control over the system since all is spread much more in thousands of files now, but I still dont know much about it and dont need to, because everything simply works from the start! No conflicts! Connect and disconnect as you wish... And as it seems Windows improves as well... maybe I will buy such a (cheaper) machine only for stage use >Perhaps it got stage-fright, but I know for certain I'm frightened >of using it again onstage. I can understand that! And it may not be the moment yet to try again... >Not having the convenience of a computer onstage has actually added >a bit more virtuosity to my performances. I'm enjoying the >simplicity of a hardware-based set-up, nice to turn everything on >and be set. certainly has its nice side... But I am also lazy to edit sounds on a front pannel, seems there is no software editor for the Lexicon G2 :-( >Don't get me wrong, the Powerbook's still the heart of my recording >"studio" set-up -- just not a welcome addition in live contexts >anymore. >Get Optimized, >Rob >...................................................... >Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... >"an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" >http://www.optimusrob.com >_________________________________________________ > >On Jul 5, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>>About a year ago, I decided not to use a laptop on stage until I >>>could afford a "gig-only" laptop -- like that will happen any time >>>soon. I'd been using a G4 Powerbook, but it's not meant to be >>>schlepped around like a keyboard. >> >>what do you mean, did it break? >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 19:44:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65NeiP00511; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:40:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1e6.24573c28.2e1b1012@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRizJXXiL1gIki9Q+q6/b8AMZnAzwAHKg1w Message-Id: <20040705234027.VCJF28232.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've got all these questions, but I don't want them answered . . . ? Gary PS Kim hates HTML--plain text, y'all-- G ________________________________ From: Violindave@aol.com [mailto:Violindave@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 1:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 19:54:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i65NrHB05418; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:53:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c462eb$b8c3e8e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> Subject: More online promo sites and digital distribution Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:56:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.171.180] at Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:53:01 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The recent posts from people listing internet digital distribution and online services have been very interesting. Are there others anyone suggests? In particular 1) finding sites that are friendly toward more intrumental and, dare I say, Ambient styles would be helpful. 2) services and on-line sites that target Eastern and Central European listeners. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 20:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66025o09717; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040705205023.027eb6a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200407051707.i65H76s03440@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040705205023.027eb6a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:33:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Help with LoopIII and Loop iv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0gzVrC.A.VWC.wve6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 18:07 05/07/04, you wrote: >>Ok since installing loopIV ages ago, i found everything quieter, >>but the limiting is to much for me. >>I reinstalled LoopIII today to compare. and i prefer having more headroom. >>but without all the new cool upgrades that i'm now used to. >>My setup sonically is quite complicated, i use the bass as a >>ElectroAcousrticResonator, >>so i use other instruments through my bass, to cut a long story short. >>nothing new, but i found getting sounds to cut through ontop of a >>loop more difficult since loopIV. >>Help please >>is the limiter removable or adjustable. >>cam > >Hey Matthias, >Could this be caused by the DC offset? I dont see how any offset could change from version to version. If so, only at the output, where we have no limiter, and it would have to be very far off to be audible and probably distortion could increase with each repetition or Overdub... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 20:39:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i660co823784; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040705234027.VCJF28232.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:38:33 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, the insults started flying quick, didn't they? Don't assume, folks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 5 21:30:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i661Q9B06872; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:26:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:26:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <29.5ba13ebd.2e1b5988@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:25:28 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: LanceZechinato@verizon.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.5ba13ebd.2e1b5988_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <39r_pC.A.ppB.R-f6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.5ba13ebd.2e1b5988_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/04 8:38:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LanceZechinato@verizon.net writes: > Don't assume, folks. > > what?.....that we are not perfect?.....:).....michael --part1_29.5ba13ebd.2e1b5988_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 7/5/04 8:38:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LanceZechinato@verizon.= net writes:


Don't assume, folks.



what?.....that we are not perfect?.....:).....michael --part1_29.5ba13ebd.2e1b5988_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 00:45:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i664gZe25308; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:42:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:42:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> <001a01c462eb$b8c3e8e0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Calexico Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:53:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of nights ago I saw Calexico at Portland's Aladdin Theater. For the opening number, guitarist Joey Burns and drummer John Convertino were very proficient in their duet, with the stage ready for four more of the group to join them for the rest of the show (two horns, marimba, pedal steel, stand-up bass, etc). I'd just heard an interview with Joey on Terry Gross and Fresh Air, hearing their cover of Love's Alone Again Or. Nice. Looping content: Joey several times reached down and got a sweeping sound effect, like twisting the Delay Time on a DL-4. I wonder if that's what he uses? Any Calexico fans out there? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 01:34:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i665Var03675; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Calexico Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:31:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRjE9fXdnamherpRYuC0ksfAvVfXwABfbGA In-Reply-To: <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> Message-Id: <20040706053121.VQMS6778.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am, David. I live in Tucson, which is where they're from. They had a great new years weekend show here. The composition of the band changed constantly throughout the concert. They're also fairly big in Europe I hear. Tom -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Calexico A couple of nights ago I saw Calexico at Portland's Aladdin Theater. For the opening number, guitarist Joey Burns and drummer John Convertino were very proficient in their duet, with the stage ready for four more of the group to join them for the rest of the show (two horns, marimba, pedal steel, stand-up bass, etc). I'd just heard an interview with Joey on Terry Gross and Fresh Air, hearing their cover of Love's Alone Again Or. Nice. Looping content: Joey several times reached down and got a sweeping sound effect, like twisting the Delay Time on a DL-4. I wonder if that's what he uses? Any Calexico fans out there? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 01:38:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i665b0L04552; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:37:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040706053646.93515.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Calexico To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i am one of them!i had a chance to interview Jacobo the trumpet player here in Germany 2 yrs. ago and walking through the stage i did see a DL4, although under the pedal steel guitar so Joey might be using one now as well cheers Luis --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > A couple of nights ago I saw Calexico at Portland's > Aladdin Theater. For > the opening number, guitarist Joey Burns and drummer > John Convertino were > very proficient in their duet, with the stage ready > for four more of the > group to join them for the rest of the show (two > horns, marimba, pedal > steel, stand-up bass, etc). I'd just heard an > interview with Joey on Terry > Gross and Fresh Air, hearing their cover of Love's > Alone Again Or. Nice. > > Looping content: Joey several times reached down and > got a sweeping sound > effect, like twisting the Delay Time on a DL-4. I > wonder if that's what he > uses? > > Any Calexico fans out there? > > David > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 03:52:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i667odb25840; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 03:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 03:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40EA59C5.2060806@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:50:29 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Calexico References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> <001a01c462eb$b8c3e8e0$0affff0a@hppav> <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> In-Reply-To: <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ohyeah! checkout Kristin Mooney then. http://www.kristinmooney.com/ .David.Auker. wrote: > > Any Calexico fans out there? > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 09:28:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66DPtx11457; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:25:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:29:53 +1000 Subject: Re: Help with LoopIII and Loop iv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: cameronstreet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <66084645-CE87-11D8-82DF-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool, thanks hehe >> Hey Matthias, >> Could this be caused by the DC offset? > > I dont see how any offset could change from version to version. > If so, only at the output, where we have no limiter, and it would have > to be very far off to be audible and probably distortion could increase > with each repetition or Overdub... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 09:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66Dl0324109; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Calexico Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:46:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <40EA59C5.2060806@bagend.com> Thread-Index: AcRjLkiMTuIT8BeKTOCXfaFaMub+rQAK4RLw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040706134636.ZZDL7678.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Henry. She'll be in Tucson towards the end of this month appearing with The Nick Luca Trio. Nick was part of the "Friends" that we heard with Calexic last New Years. We bought his latest CD there, as well as all the other artists. This Indie music scene is really cool! An ever changing soundscape, in more ways than one. David, Casa De Calexico is right down the street from our house. I'll see if I can find out what kind of looping devises they use. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Henry Heine [mailto:henry@bagend.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Calexico ohyeah! checkout Kristin Mooney then. http://www.kristinmooney.com/ .David.Auker. wrote: > > Any Calexico fans out there? > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 11:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66FWAJ11587; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c4636f$d9dbd900$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <20040706134636.ZZDL7678.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Calexico Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:42:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure Love's Arthur Lee approves Calexico's cover Alone Again Or (if he's that kind of guy...). It's very similar to the original, but just a little bit of hand-clapping opened a 'genre' door for me...it was 'wow, so that's what that song is' With the horns, rhythms, Calexico sounds so traditional, but they can swing way over into much more abstractness (Spaghetti Westerns meet El Topo?). Tucson sounds like a great scene! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Rex" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Calexico > Thanks, Henry. > > She'll be in Tucson towards the end of this month appearing with The Nick > Luca Trio. > > Nick was part of the "Friends" that we heard with Calexic last New Years. > We bought his latest CD there, as well as all the other artists. > > This Indie music scene is really cool! An ever changing soundscape, in more > ways than one. > > David, Casa De Calexico is right down the street from our house. I'll see > if I can find out what kind of looping devises they use. > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Heine [mailto:henry@bagend.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:50 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Calexico > > ohyeah! > > checkout Kristin Mooney then. > > http://www.kristinmooney.com/ > > .David.Auker. wrote: > > > > > Any Calexico fans out there? > > > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 12:02:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66FwT021293; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.4a028a90.2e1c25ec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:57:32 EDT Subject: Re: Calexico To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.4a028a90.2e1c25ec_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.4a028a90.2e1c25ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/04 11:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DaVAuk@Hevanet.com writes: > El Topo yikes! --part1_9b.4a028a90.2e1c25ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 7/6/04 11:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DaVAuk@Hevanet.com wri= tes:


El Topo


yikes! --part1_9b.4a028a90.2e1c25ec_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 12:53:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66Go8C09240; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:50:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089132590!11023360 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FED4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: burnett@pobox.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zvex Effects Inquiry Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:44:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C46378.917E10C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46378.917E10C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>.....and Lo-Fi Loop Junky.....<< I had to go & read about this one (http://www.zvex.com/junky.html) because = it appears to be looping hardware which, so far as I can recall, hasn't bee= n discussed by any users on this list yet. I don't see it in the "tools.." = section or anywhere else. care to submit a review, steve? I don't expect th= e thing to be up there with the EDP, repeater & jam-man in terms of functio= nality, but then the dl4 isn't either & I've lost hours & hours to my littl= e green monster..... the dl4 is probably my "desert island pedal"; I'd like= to be sure that the loop-junky is in that general territory before hasslin= g the dealer to stock one for me to try. the bad news is that the loop-junky (in the UK, anyway) is quite expensive = for what it does.=20 for what it /is/, however, along with zach's other little boxes, =A3300 is = probably about right. the ones I've seen in "sounds great" in cheadle are l= ittle works of art, & zach deserves our patronage. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46378.917E10C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Zvex Effects Inquiry

>>.....and Lo-Fi Loop Junky.....<<

I had to go & read about this one (http://www.zvex.com/junky.html) because it appears to be looping hardware which, so far as I can recall= , hasn't been discussed by any users on this list yet. I don't see it in th= e "tools.." section or anywhere else. care to submit a review, st= eve? I don't expect the thing to be up there with the EDP, repeater & j= am-man in terms of functionality, but then the dl4 isn't either & I've = lost hours & hours to my little green monster..... the dl4 is probably = my "desert island pedal"; I'd like to be sure that the loop-junky= is in that general territory before hassling the dealer to stock one for m= e to try.

the bad news is that the loop-junky (in the UK, anyway) i= s quite expensive for what it does.
for what it /is/, however, along with zach's other littl= e boxes, =A3300 is probably about right. the ones I've seen in "sounds= great" in cheadle are little works of art, & zach deserves our pa= tronage.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C46378.917E10C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 13:20:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66H8VA14667; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1089133693.40eadc7dd7e1f@webmail.dotster.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:08:13 -0700 From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FED4@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FED4@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 131.96.29.197 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com Subject: Gig Spam Atlanta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on westvirginia.backend X-Spam-Report: * 0.3 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1BhtQO-0002DU-22) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy Loopers, I will performing a short set at Callanwolde Fine Arts Center, 980 Briarcliff Road, N.E., Atlanta, GA 30306 on July 14th. I'll be using a Boomerang and Akai Headrush E-1 along with some other bells and whistles. The event is called Callanwolde Coffee House, and will begin with my set followed by poetry readings. PBA (PBS of Atlanta) will be filming the show for later broadcast, so if you miss it, try to catch it on the tube. Also, any poets in the area interested in reading some of their work should contact Callanwolde. Here are the websites with more info: http://www.callanwolde.org/events/index.html www.darrenmichaelsbass.com Hope to see you there. Take care, Darren Michaels From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 15:07:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66J4nb21133; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c4638d$9a8fa420$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <104.49fedab3.2e0f65a7@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT, Nokie Edwards (of the Ventures) sighting in Southern Oregon. Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:15:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just have to (re-)mention Calexico's guitarist Joey Burns: he seems to be capably following this genre. (I have to qualify my statement by saying I'm not a guitarist (mostly classical pianist), and I've just gotten into Calexico, but...wow, this guy's got a presence on stage. Definitely some dancin' magic. I could listen to him and drummer John Convertino any time...) David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: OT, Nokie Edwards (of the Ventures) sighting in Southern Oregon. > Hi all, > > This may be annoyingly off topic for some of you. But, I imagine > Stan(itarium) Card will get a chuckle out of it . . . and so will any > of the rest of you who are closet "surf" guitar fans. > > A small local chain of hardware stores in my area was celebrating > its 120th anniversary in business this week with a parking lot > concert by Ventures guitarist Nokie Edwards (who's got to be > in his 70s at least) at the location only 2 blocks from my abode. > > Imagine my glee at having the opportunity to walk not run . . . > lol . . . around the corner and down the street and hear a really > fine musician play a lot of old an new material (Pipeline, Wipeout, > Diamond Head, Hawaii Five-0 and other classics of the genre) > as well as covers including a Clapton tune. > > It also turns out that Nokie has turned into a rather superior > county instrumentalist over the years (a la the late Chet Atkins) > believe it or not. I was blown away by his blistering "chicken > pickin" and almost Les Paul-like finesse. > > I hope I can play so well when I've reached that age. I feel like an > old fart at 51 already. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 15:08:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66J7lq22494; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <200407040056.i640ubZ08888@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040704114441.02805c10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <40E7F971.1080901@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: Live looping percussion - mic isolation Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:07:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2004 19:07:23.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[7815C380:01C4638C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AKG C1000 is really great for this and its < $175! Jon > >> - Any recommendations on good but not-too-expensive condenser mics? > > > > > > Oktava > > the MK 012 set has a hyper-cardioid option if you want to try that From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 15:29:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66JQLk29788; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:25:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Calexico From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9b.4a028a90.2e1c25ec@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3171961534_69929_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3171961534_69929_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/04 11:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DaVAuk@Hevanet.com writes: El Topo yikes! great movee of which i gotta hard to find copy o'... --MS_Mac_OE_3171961534_69929_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Calexico

In a message dated 7/6/04 11:31:58 AM Eastern Da= ylight Time, DaVAuk@Hevanet.com writes:


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great movee of which i gotta hard to find copy o'... --MS_Mac_OE_3171961534_69929_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 15:31:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66JUEp31330; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> <001a01c462eb$b8c3e8e0$0affff0a@hppav> <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--845464590 Message-Id: <86AE0CBC-CF68-11D8-AEF9-000393B867EC@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Electrix Repeater Sale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:21:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--845464590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There's one for sale on Ebay and it looks to go for over a $1,000. Anyone feel that it's worth about $300-$400 than the Echoplex Pro? Would love some advice from some seasoned loopers/ equipment gurus. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-1--845464590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII There's one for sale on Ebay and it looks to go for over a $1,000. Anyone feel that it's worth about $300-$400 than the Echoplex Pro? Would love some advice from some seasoned loopers/ equipment gurus. Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-1--845464590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 15:58:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66JrO707651; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <86AE0CBC-CF68-11D8-AEF9-000393B867EC@indiana.edu> References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> <001a01c462eb$b8c3e8e0$0affff0a@hppav> <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> <86AE0CBC-CF68-11D8-AEF9-000393B867EC@indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Sale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:52:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Christ. I sold my spare for $800 and I felt like I was ripping the person who bought it off. (I paid $550 for it) I love my Repeater and if you want a stereo looper it's still cheaper than you'll pay for the 2 EDP pros you'll have to buy to get stereo looping from Gibson. BTW, $1000 is only $200 more than what the EDP sells for these days. For the music that you do I say a Repeater would be a better tool than the EDP. Mark On Jul 6, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Optimus Rob wrote: > There's one for sale on Ebay and it looks to go for over a $1,000. > Anyone feel that it's worth about $300-$400 than the Echoplex Pro? > Would love some advice from some seasoned loopers/ equipment gurus. > Get Optimized, > Rob > ...................................................... > Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... > "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" > http://www.optimusrob.com > _________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 17:41:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66LdjV22205; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:42:10 -0400 From: Mountain Man Subject: OT: other recorder recommendations ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40EB1CB2.B5FCB8A4@cloud9.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200407061535.i66FZ7O13104@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I asked for recommendations for a small, portable multi-track recorder a while back. Based on a recommendation here, I bought a Zoom PS-04. I was quite disappointed with it. Aside from the cheap construction, the interface wasn't at all intuitive (at least for me). There's no undo, and I couldn't find a simple, easy-to-use way to erase a single track or a whole recording. In addition, the looping feature doesn't seem to work properly. Oh well, on to the Korg PXR4, I thought. A hundred dollars more, but surely a more usable unit. It arrived today. Hmmmm. Shoddy construction. Hard-to-read and hard-to-navigate menus. It does have undo. But erasing tracks/songs seems to be just as hard as the Zoom (in fact, I can't even find an entry in the index for erase or delete). And no looping. Fifteen minutes of trying to figure out why the thing doesn't do what I expect, and the lack of intuitiveness has me ready to throw in the towel. Sigh. So, can someone suggest a small, take-it-with-you multitrack? It doesn't necessarily need to be digital; I'm open to minidisk, or other technologies. And it doesn't have to be studio quality; this is intended for use at jam sessions to play along with, and capture ideas. It *does* have to be easy to use! And good build quality would be a plus as well. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your suggestions, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 17:53:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66LpiM25860; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:51:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: Zvex Effects Inquiry In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FED4@lon-oxmail02> Message-ID: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FED4@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: <1NtK1B.A.eTG.p7x6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>.....and Lo-Fi Loop Junky.....<< > > I had to go & read about this one (http://www.zvex.com/junky.html) > because it appears to be looping hardware which, so far as I can recall, > hasn't been discussed by any users on this list yet. Every few months someone asks on this list about it, and so far as I recall I'm the only person to ever respond with a "yes, I've got one". > I don't see it in the "tools.." section or anywhere else. care to > submit a review, steve? Sure, here goes. When I get my hands on the new Seek-Trem I'll let whoever asked about it know what I think of it, too. > I don't expect the thing to be up there with the EDP, repeater & jam-man > in terms of functionality, but then the dl4 isn't either & I've lost > hours & hours to my little green monster..... the dl4 is probably my > "desert island pedal"; I'd like to be sure that the loop-junky is in > that general territory before hassling the dealer to stock one for me to > try. Duncan gave the website for the Loop Junky, which goes into more detail than I will: http://www.zvex.com/junky.html There are links at the top of this page to sound samples, and a demonstration QuickTime video (the video is big, not for dialup modem users). Based on the definitions given on http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html I consider the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky a "performance-oriented sampler" and not a "current real-time looper". There are two big limitations of the Lo-Fi Loop Junky for looping: 1) it does not record sound-on-sound. You can record a loop, but not overdub onto the loop. You can of course play live over the playing loop. 2) It *is* lo-fi, since it's based around an old telephone answering machine chip. It makes the Akai Headrush E1 or original Boomerang sound audiophile-grade in comparison :). Accept those two limitations and what you get is a twenty-second sampler you can carry in your pocket, that does not need a wall-wart AC adapter (Z-Vex gear has ridiculously long battery life in comparison to any other battery-powered pedal I've ever used), that stores the sample indefinitely until you erase it, and is built like a very small tank. You can control the playback volume of the loop, alter a "tone" control to roll off hiss of the loop, and change depth & speed of a vibrato for the loop. You can do this live, while the loop is playing (assuming you have a free hand to knob-tweak.) There's a small switch to protect the sample so you can't unintentionally delete it. I use an Akai Headrush E1 and RC-20 LoopStation as my performance loopers. I rarely take my Repeater to do a show. I almost always have the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky in my bag or set up as my third inline looper, in case either or both of my loopers fail for some reason as a backup. There's nothing to fail on the Loop Junky as long as I change the battery roughly annually (not really an exaggeration). If I had to leave one of the three (Headrush, RC-20, Z-Vex) home, I'd probably leave the RC-20 home. So it's very limited in comparison to anything in the "true looper" tools section, but I still like it for its indestructible stripped-down minimalism. > the bad news is that the loop-junky (in the UK, anyway) is quite > expensive for what it does. for what it /is/, however, along with > zach's other little boxes, £300 is probably about right. the ones I've > seen in "sounds great" in cheadle are little works of art, & zach > deserves our patronage. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 18:14:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66MA4901325; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:10:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:10:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:09:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: Zvex Effects Inquiry From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>>> .....and Lo-Fi Loop Junky.....<< >> >> I had to go & read about this one (http://www.zvex.com/junky.html) >> because it appears to be looping hardware which, so far as I can recall, >> hasn't been discussed by any users on this list yet. > > Every few months someone asks on this list about it, and so far as I > recall I'm the only person to ever respond with a "yes, I've got one". > best, > Steve B > i got 1 too...and i luv mine! i wouldnt call it lacking in anuyway-itiswotitis and it duz wot it says it will do-no more and no less. snat From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 18:16:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66LrDN26385; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40EB1CB2.B5FCB8A4@cloud9.net> References: <200407061535.i66FZ7O13104@hemlock.violacea.com> <40EB1CB2.B5FCB8A4@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:52:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5AB6mC.A.kbG.A9x6AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:42 PM -0400 7/6/04, Mountain Man wrote: >I asked for recommendations for a small, portable multi-track recorder a >while back. I don't have any recommendations in this department, but while we're on the topic of portable recorders, I have a question of my own: Does anyone have any experience with the Marantz PMD670 compact flash recorder? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 18:20:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66MJ3j04523; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: [LOOP] RE: Zvex Effects Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>>> .....and Lo-Fi Loop Junky.....<< > >> > >> I had to go & read about this one (http://www.zvex.com/junky.html) > >> because it appears to be looping hardware which, so far as I can recall, > >> hasn't been discussed by any users on this list yet. > > > > Every few months someone asks on this list about it, and so far as I > > recall I'm the only person to ever respond with a "yes, I've got one". > > best, > > Steve B > > > > > > i got 1 too...and i luv mine! Brother! > i wouldnt call it lacking in anuyway-itiswotitis and it duz wot it says it > will do-no more and no less. > > snat best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 19:40:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66NRxO28928; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:27:13 EDT Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/6/04 2:40:01 PM, mtman@cloud9.net writes: << I asked for recommendations for a small, portable multi-track recorder a while back. Based on a recommendation here, I bought a Zoom PS-04. I was quite disappointed with it. Aside from the cheap construction, the interface wasn't at all intuitive (at least for me). There's no undo, and I couldn't find a simple, easy-to-use way to erase a single track or a whole recording. In addition, the looping feature doesn't seem to work properly. >> Sorry to hear that, it was my suggestion. I found the PS02 easy to use after a while. On the PS02 there is an edit key and a store key that were used to delete, it is quite simple and fast. I looked at the PS04 manual online and it appears now they have a delete/copy key that provides the same function. You can delete by track, vtrack or the whole song. I was responding to your request in regards to price and portability, built-in mic, multiple tracks and audio quality, not looping. You might try building an extended looplike track on the Zoom by repeatedly copying a part to a track range point by range point, as in bounce/bounce/rebounce stc. But that is time consuming, better get yourself some sort of looper. I don't know of any minidisc that has a loop function or a read/write delete function, at least not at a cheap price. The BOSS BR532 is a good smart card recorder that has a loop function but it is more expensive and less portable, it won't fit in your shirt pocket. Unless you've already returned it I would give the Zoom a chance, use it a lot, try stuff, it will become intuitive eventually. As I recall, in the lo-fi record mode and using a 128MB card you can get up to 6 hours of recording time, that is pretty darn good for a tiny card. If you want to hear samples, I did both of the songs on this page using the PS02: http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 Anyway, hope you find something that suits your needs. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 19:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66NrL906152; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:53:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:53:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Portland, Oregon Loopers? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:52:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2004 23:52:37.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[5091EBE0:01C463B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Jonathan, I don't actually live in Portland, but I'll be doing a looping performance up there soon - August 10th at Dunes. (www.dunes.cc). I'll be looping turntable and cd player. There's also a guy up there named Bryan Eubanks who does some interesting stuff using a tape recorder and feedback. He layers the feedback and ads single notes of the soprano saxophone to do kind of an acoustic-synthesis/psycho-acoustics sort of thing. Matt Davignon From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Portland, Oregon Loopers? Message-ID: <000901c46176$39054b60$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone, I'm in Portland, Oregon, and I just turned 21 a few days ago. I've been gigging (as an electric bassist, in regular bands) since I was 15, but being a minor meant I didn't get a chance to really experience the local scene, beyond where I was playing. I'm hoping to learn more about the art of looping and eventually pick up the equipment to do it myself. Are any of you living or giging in the Portland area? I'd love to check out more local musicians, or meet / jam with new people! -Jonathan Chase www.badspatula.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 19:59:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i66NvGj07888; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <00a501c463b4$1e187940$0169fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> <001a01c462eb$b8c3e8e0$0affff0a@hppav> <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> <86AE0CBC-CF68-11D8-AEF9-000393B867EC@indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Sale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:29:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C463B1.0F1656E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C463B1.0F1656E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if you=B4re talking about the one on eBay Germany, I know the seller = Maik Lutterklas. I got my EDP from him three years ago, and the deal was = very pleasant. Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Optimus Rob=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Electrix Repeater Sale There's one for sale on Ebay and it looks to go for over a $1,000. = Anyone feel that it's worth about $300-$400 than the Echoplex Pro? Would = love some advice from some seasoned loopers/ equipment gurus.=20 Get Optimized, Rob=20 ......................................................=20 Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C463B1.0F1656E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
if you=B4re talking about the one on = eBay Germany, I=20 know the seller Maik Lutterklas. I got my EDP from him three years ago, = and the=20 deal was very pleasant.
 
Stephen
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague.=20 And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix)
 
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From:=20 Optimus Rob=20
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 = 6:21=20 PM
Subject: Electrix Repeater = Sale

There's one for sale on Ebay and it looks to go for = over a=20 $1,000. Anyone feel that it's worth about $300-$400 than the Echoplex = Pro?=20 Would love some advice from some seasoned loopers/ equipment gurus. =
Get=20 = Optimized,
Rob=20
...........................................= ...........=20
Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your = mind...
"an=20 original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 =
http://www.optimusrob.com
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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C463B1.0F1656E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 20:01:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6700C810568; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:00:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407070000.i67003h10469@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Dalai phon : Was: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:00:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcRjsn3aqPk6O2xtQcShGITzw2wgvAAAnzuA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool stuff Bob (I listened before to your stuff) care to tell us more about the instrument and the recording Dalai Phon? If you want to hear samples, I did both of the songs on this page using the PS02: http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 Anyway, hope you find something that suits your needs. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 20:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6706v013623; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <159.393fabe0.2e1c9882@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:06:26 EDT Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/6/04 2:40:01 PM, mtman@cloud9.net writes: << Fifteen minutes of trying to figure out why the thing doesn't do what I expect, and the lack of intuitiveness has me ready to throw in the towel. >> Just a further note. I have used several digital recorders and they tend to partition into System function and Utility function. Sometimes there is a seperate Edit function but often edit is part of the Utility mode. There is some similarity to digital camera interface. For instance, to delete a photo you have to switch to display, select the photo, push the trash button, select erase and then hit Store or Set. In other words, 4 or 5 step process. You may have to grit your teeth and spend more than 15 minutes to get a handle on these thingies. More like a couple of hours. :-) As for real rugged durability, then you are talking about professional quality thousands of dollars type stuff. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 20:29:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i670ROi23672; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c463b8$4f2dcb30$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <200407061535.i66FZ7O13104@hemlock.violacea.com> <40EB1CB2.B5FCB8A4@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Google the specs and details on the Yamaha MD-4 minidisk recorder. I have the MD-8 (love it!), and a good friend owns the MD-4 (qually great, just less channels). He's looking to sell his MD-4 for $200 plus shipping. If you're interested, you're welcome to email me off-list. Not exactly "small", but definitely a good balance of portability with a solid build quality. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mountain Man" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: OT: other recorder recommendations ? > I asked for recommendations for a small, portable multi-track recorder a > while back. Based on a recommendation here, I bought a Zoom PS-04. I > was quite disappointed with it. Aside from the cheap construction, the > interface wasn't at all intuitive (at least for me). There's no undo, > and I couldn't find a simple, easy-to-use way to erase a single track or > a whole recording. In addition, the looping feature doesn't seem to > work properly. > > Oh well, on to the Korg PXR4, I thought. A hundred dollars more, but > surely a more usable unit. It arrived today. Hmmmm. Shoddy > construction. Hard-to-read and hard-to-navigate menus. It does have > undo. But erasing tracks/songs seems to be just as hard as the Zoom (in > fact, I can't even find an entry in the index for erase or delete). And > no looping. Fifteen minutes of trying to figure out why the thing > doesn't do what I expect, and the lack of intuitiveness has me ready to > throw in the towel. Sigh. > > So, can someone suggest a small, take-it-with-you multitrack? It > doesn't necessarily need to be digital; I'm open to minidisk, or other > technologies. And it doesn't have to be studio quality; this is intended > for use at jam sessions to play along with, and capture ideas. It > *does* have to be easy to use! And good build quality would be a plus > as well. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions, > Elby > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 20:41:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i670cmN28963; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:38:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:38:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.24c8b597.2e1ca003@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:38:27 EDT Subject: Re: Dalai phon : Was: other recorder recommendations ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/6/04 5:00:22 PM, nospam@akroeger.com writes: << care to tell us more about the instrument and the recording Dalai Phon? >> Hi If memory serves: the instrument was just a thumb piano I made out of a tin can and hairpins. I think it was a small cylindrical can for Dorset Shortbread, maybe 6 inches tall. I used a SignalFlex guitar tuner pickup to record a track onto my old Boomerang. I played very slowly at the high speed setting and bounced it to the PS02. Then I dropped the Boomerang down to lo-speed setting for a very low pitch and bounced that to the PS02. I took the 2 tracks from the PS02 and put them on my computer. The lowered pitch track was kept whole. The normal track was then pitched upwards using software. Because I had played so slowly, the pitch could raise without the sound bunching up into chipmunkville. Then I offset the tracks and faded one in while fading one out. What I like is that it is just one track but it sounds like different tracks. It made me think of the very low tones mixed with the delicate high harmonics of Tibetan chanting, hence the title - Dalai. cheers BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 6 21:38:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i671Zli19351; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Calexico - Looping content Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:35:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <002201c46315$27f13a00$0200a8c0@audiows> Thread-Index: AcRjE9fXdnamherpRYuC0ksfAvVfXwAqwIAA Message-Id: <20040707013514.NTUR13283.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Earlier I said: "Casa De Calexico is right down the street from our house. I'll see if I can find out what kind of looping devises they use." Well, it turns out that it's a mail box address :) So, anyway, I'm on a mission now, so I stopped in at Rainbow Guitars, which is also in the neighborhood. Everybody there knows Joey, of course, but they don't know what he uses, and they don't know the last time he bought anything there like that. One of the guys said that he'd check the next time he sees him. But, all's not lost, because there's a photo or two at there web site, which has some stuff on the floor. Anyone care to say what it could be? http://www.casadecalexico.com/photos/photosearch.php That's all for me. Over and out! Tom -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Calexico "Looping content: Joey several times reached down and got a sweeping sound effect, like twisting the Delay Time on a DL-4. I wonder if that's what he uses?" David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 01:56:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i675sxr17220; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c463e6$ebecf760$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040707013514.NTUR13283.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Calexico - Looping content Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like a Memphis distortion or a blue box, the other are a boss DM-2 and a boss DD series, hard to see what model it is in the photo though. As far as I know, only the pedal player uses a DL4 at this point. Really, it is pretty hard to get it to oscillate in preset mode without the expression pedal, so unless he is warping using the loop mode, i would bet the sound you were hearing are from the DM-2. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Rex" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: RE: Calexico - Looping content > Earlier I said: "Casa De Calexico is right down the street from our house. > I'll see if I can find out what kind of looping devises they use." > > Well, it turns out that it's a mail box address :) > > So, anyway, I'm on a mission now, so I stopped in at Rainbow Guitars, which > is also in the neighborhood. Everybody there knows Joey, of course, but > they don't know what he uses, and they don't know the last time he bought > anything there like that. One of the guys said that he'd check the next > time he sees him. > > But, all's not lost, because there's a photo or two at there web site, which > has some stuff on the floor. Anyone care to say what it could be? > > http://www.casadecalexico.com/photos/photosearch.php > > That's all for me. Over and out! > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Calexico > > "Looping content: Joey several times reached down and got a sweeping sound > effect, like twisting the Delay Time on a DL-4. I wonder if that's what he > uses?" > > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 02:20:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i676EOX22217; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <71F5A33B-CFDD-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: [LOOP] RE: Zvex Effects Inquiry Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:18:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it just me or does the lack of overdub just a total deal breaker with a piece of gear like this? You want lo-fi looping? Get a Line6 Delay Pro and sync it to a midi clock. After the first few iterations you'll be getting some pretty cool grungy delays. At first I thought it was just a cool mode it was in, then I realized it happened on all the models and cleared up when it was not getting a MIDI clock. Mark On Jul 6, 2004, at 3:36 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > >>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>> >>>>>> .....and Lo-Fi Loop Junky.....<< >>>> >>>> I had to go & read about this one (http://www.zvex.com/junky.html) >>>> because it appears to be looping hardware which, so far as I can >>>> recall, >>>> hasn't been discussed by any users on this list yet. >>> >>> Every few months someone asks on this list about it, and so far as I >>> recall I'm the only person to ever respond with a "yes, I've got >>> one". >>> best, >>> Steve B >>> >> >> >> >> i got 1 too...and i luv mine! > > Brother! > >> i wouldnt call it lacking in anuyway-itiswotitis and it duz wot it >> says it >> will do-no more and no less. >> >> snat > > best, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 02:41:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i676Z6G25749; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040707063450.96717.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although not a multitrack the Marantz CD300 is a good option to record your live performances or put ideas direct into a CD but it ain“t cheap... http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/CDR300.html cheers Luis --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/6/04 2:40:01 PM, > mtman@cloud9.net writes: > > << I asked for recommendations for a small, portable > multi-track recorder a > while back. Based on a recommendation here, I > bought a Zoom PS-04. I > was quite disappointed with it. Aside from the > cheap construction, the > interface wasn't at all intuitive (at least for me). > There's no undo, > and I couldn't find a simple, easy-to-use way to > erase a single track or > a whole recording. In addition, the looping feature > doesn't seem to > work properly. >> > > > Sorry to hear that, it was my suggestion. > I found the PS02 easy to use after a while. > On the PS02 there is an edit key and a store key > that were used to delete, it > is quite simple and fast. > I looked at the PS04 manual online and it appears > now they have a delete/copy > key that provides the same function. You can delete > by track, vtrack or the > whole song. > > I was responding to your request in regards to price > and portability, > built-in mic, multiple tracks and audio quality, not > looping. > You might try building an extended looplike track on > the Zoom by repeatedly > copying a part to a track range point by range > point, as in > bounce/bounce/rebounce stc. But that is time > consuming, better get yourself some sort of looper. > > I don't know of any minidisc that has a loop > function or a read/write delete > function, at least not at a cheap price. > The BOSS BR532 is a good smart card recorder that > has a loop function but it > is more expensive and less portable, it won't fit in > your shirt pocket. > > Unless you've already returned it I would give the > Zoom a chance, use it a > lot, try stuff, it will become intuitive eventually. > As I recall, in the lo-fi > record mode and using a 128MB card you can get up to > 6 hours of recording time, > that is pretty darn good for a tiny card. > > If you want to hear samples, I did both of the songs > on this page using the > PS02: > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > Anyway, hope you find something that suits your > needs. > > BobC > > www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 04:54:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i678lBa15755; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:47:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:47:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Calexico in High and Dry film, and hand-clapping Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:46:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <006701c4636f$d9dbd900$0200a8c0@audiows> Thread-Index: AcRjbsxlYJw5wXE9ShGWrBN57nWbLQAh0krg Message-Id: <20040707084650.TDST24672.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i678kuh15681 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a link to a film about the Tucson music scene. There's a trailer at the site to watch. http://www.upstairsfilm.com/highanddry/about.html Hand-clapping (I believe it's called Palmas in flamenco music) would be an interesting looping project for one musician to build on. I've heard some gypsy music live, and the polyrhythms can get to be very interesting, with several playing the Palmas. Has anyone ever done anything with this or flamenco? I actually found a web site with the rhythms for Palmas laid out like drum machine charts, with up to 5 parts. Hey Rick, next looping tour in Spain? Per, habla espańol :) http://www.flamenco-seiten.de/navigation_magazin.htm Tom -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Calexico I'm sure Love's Arthur Lee approves Calexico's cover Alone Again Or (if he's that kind of guy...). It's very similar to the original, but just a little bit of hand-clapping opened a 'genre' door for me...it was 'wow, so that's what that song is' With the horns, rhythms, Calexico sounds so traditional, but they can swing way over into much more abstractness (Spaghetti Westerns meet El Topo?). Tucson sounds like a great scene! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 05:46:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i679iRf27777; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040707084650.TDST24672.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20040707084650.TDST24672.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <322FAAD2-CFFA-11D8-982C-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Calexico in High and Dry film, and hand-clapping Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:44:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i679iFh27662 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom, On 2004-07-07, at 10.46, Tom Rex wrote: > Here's a link to a film about the Tucson music scene. There's a > trailer at > the site to watch. > http://www.upstairsfilm.com/highanddry/about.html Thanks Tom. Interesting movie! I'm still stuck deeply into "Jungle Mud" but if I ever get to Tucson i might definitely get hooked on that "Desert Rock" ;-) > I actually found a web site with the rhythms for Palmas laid out like > drum > machine charts, with up to 5 parts. Hey Rick, next looping tour in > Spain? > Per, habla espańol :) Si, aber nur um extremely pocinho Portuguese!!! ;-D > http://www.flamenco-seiten.de/navigation_magazin.htm That's a tip to bookmark. Thanks! I'll put those flamenco beat charts on my powerbook to study during some (otherwise boring) journey. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 10:55:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67EsDp21036; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c46433$c0bf03b0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <20040707084650.TDST24672.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Calexico in High and Dry film, and hand-clapping Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:04:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, Thanks for passing this on...definitely something to graze on, add a couple of chords to! ||: :|| David > > Hand-clapping (I believe it's called Palmas in flamenco music) would be an > interesting looping project for one musician to build on. I've heard some > gypsy music live, and the polyrhythms can get to be very interesting, with > several playing the Palmas. Has anyone ever done anything with this or > flamenco? > > I actually found a web site with the rhythms for Palmas laid out like drum > machine charts, with up to 5 parts. Hey Rick, next looping tour in Spain? > Per, habla espańol :) > > http://www.flamenco-seiten.de/navigation_magazin.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 11:15:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67FD6t29993; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:16:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Calexico in High and Dry film, and hand-clapping From: dustfly To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001c46433$c0bf03b0$0200a8c0@audiows> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-00-00 (www.mailcontrol.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i67FCVh29728 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A great way to create the effect of flamenco style rhythm is to place a mic mic near you picking hand and use a soft pick when you are doing some busy rhythmic strumming on your guitar, try it you might like it1 on 7/7/04 4:04 pm, .David.Auker. at DaVAuk@Hevanet.com wrote: > > Tom, Thanks for passing this on...definitely something to graze on, add a > couple of chords to! > ||: :|| > David > > >> >> Hand-clapping (I believe it's called Palmas in flamenco music) would be an >> interesting looping project for one musician to build on. I've heard some >> gypsy music live, and the polyrhythms can get to be very interesting, with >> several playing the Palmas. Has anyone ever done anything with this or >> flamenco? >> >> I actually found a web site with the rhythms for Palmas laid out like drum >> machine charts, with up to 5 parts. Hey Rick, next looping tour in Spain? >> Per, habla espańol :) >> >> http://www.flamenco-seiten.de/navigation_magazin.htm > Newsquest (Lancashire) Limited is a Gannett Company. ***************************************************************** This email (which includes any files transmitted with it) is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Newsquest (Lancashire) Limited. 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This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 13:23:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67HLaZ27717; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040707172055.48038.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Repeater power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c901c4558c$2a81d270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Also, lastly, I've jury rigged a velcro system so that my Repeater is ALWAYS > plugged in and strain reliefed. > > The Repeater power supply is possibly the worst concieved power supply in the > universe.............I hate it! I haven't looked into it, but I imagine > that you could have someone rewire it for you. Peter Toms at Condor Electronics in Seattle produces an upgraded power supply for Repeaters. It's got better specs and is more sturdy. Condor is the only authorized Repeater repair facility, so they have a lot of experience with these machines. There's more info available in the archives for the yahoo repeater-users group. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 13:47:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67HhaA02824; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001501c46449$0e61d7e0$ac68fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040707172055.48038.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater power supply Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:37:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg, do they have a website I could eventually order a spare power supply from? Just in case... Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:20 PM Subject: Repeater power supply > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > > Also, lastly, I've jury rigged a velcro system so that my Repeater is ALWAYS > > plugged in and strain reliefed. > > > > The Repeater power supply is possibly the worst concieved power supply in the > > universe.............I hate it! I haven't looked into it, but I imagine > > that you could have someone rewire it for you. > > Peter Toms at Condor Electronics in Seattle produces an upgraded power supply for > Repeaters. It's got better specs and is more sturdy. Condor is the only > authorized Repeater repair facility, so they have a lot of experience with these > machines. There's more info available in the archives for the yahoo > repeater-users group. > > Greg > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 14:21:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67IEDN14210; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089224020!16625534 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FEE6@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:08:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4644D.732EE8D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4644D.732EE8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>So, can someone suggest a small, take-it-with-you multitrack?<< sorry to hear of your disappointing experiences so far. my band is three people. two of us have the korg d1600 w/ cd writer, while the third has the d1200 model, also w/ cd writer. the d1200 is capable of recording 4 tracks at once, to a total of 12 (though the configuration of faders means that you end up with a couple of pairs of stereo tracks under one fader each), with virtual tracks, insert effects & all that stuff. two inputs have xlr/phantom, while there is a dedicated hi-z input for direct recording from guitars &c. the band-member with this device carts it around in a small-size laptop bag in which it has plenty of room to breathe. I have had no reliability or quality problems with this end of the korg range, & can also recommend them for ease-of-use. hth- duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>So, can someone suggest a small, take-it-with-you= multitrack?<<

sorry to hear of your disappointing experiences so far. <= /FONT>

my band is three people. two of us have the korg d1600 w/= cd writer, while the third has the d1200 model, also w/ cd writer.<= /P>

the d1200 is capable of recording 4 tracks at once, to a = total of 12 (though the configuration of faders means that you end up with = a couple of pairs of stereo tracks under one fader each), with virtual trac= ks, insert effects & all that stuff. two inputs have xlr/phantom, while= there is a dedicated hi-z input for direct recording from guitars &c.<= /FONT>

the band-member with this device carts it around in a sma= ll-size laptop bag in which it has plenty of room to breathe.

I have had no reliability or quality problems with this e= nd of the korg range, & can also recommend them for ease-of-use.=

hth-

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4644D.732EE8D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 15:49:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67Jelo15188; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20040707084650.TDST24672.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Calexico in High and Dry film, and hand-clapping Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:40:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2004 19:40:15.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[39B5B360:01C4645A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ever since spending 2.5 months in spain, I was totally absorbed by the "palmas" style of clapping. I often encorporate this into my looping. Usually I set up a semi-short loop (1-2 bars long) on the edp, and set feedback to 0 and overdub on. This has the effect of repeating everything I do exactly once. I switch every two bars between open palm and closed palm clapping and basically play a duet with myself. It takes a while to learn how to compliment a rhythm by clapping "in-between" the other claps, but its well worth it and really sounds cool. Sometimes I'll do this while sitting on a cajon, and things can get really cool... Jon > Hand-clapping (I believe it's called Palmas in flamenco music) would be an > interesting looping project for one musician to build on. I've heard some > gypsy music live, and the polyrhythms can get to be very interesting, with > several playing the Palmas. Has anyone ever done anything with this or > flamenco? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 7 15:53:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i67Joh920136; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "delight@loopers-delight.com" Reply-To: "delight@loopers-delight.com" To: delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delight Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:37:42 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--662573657795655" X-Originating-IP: 207.228.238.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----662573657795655 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a casino giving away $25 Free when you sign up an account. No credit card required http://acecasino.cls2.org/iwin.html James ----662573657795655-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 00:38:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i684ZIx03119; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Free EDP Manual (pay shipping only) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:34:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c464a4$e0c0ea90$6701a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46472.96267A90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FEE6@lon-oxmail02> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46472.96267A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received my two EDPs from MF; consequently, I have two manuals. I'll give it away to the first person who responds to this post (pay shipping only). Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46472.96267A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46472.96267A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 09:05:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68D2N527461; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:02:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089291591!16475142 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FEEF@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:peater power supply Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:54:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C464EA.C56AEB60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C464EA.C56AEB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Peter Toms at Condor Electronics in Seattle produces an upgraded power supply for Repeaters.....<< is this the same chap who gets rid of the cricket noise from them? it's really beginning to irritate me. both of mine do it, & they both have simpletech cards. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C464EA.C56AEB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE:peater power supply

>>Peter Toms at Condor Electronics in Seattle produ= ces an upgraded power supply for Repeaters.....<<

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C464EA.C56AEB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 10:49:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68EXYR03921; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040708143224.19429.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407071821.i67IL9516485@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Condor Electronics does not have a web presence. They can be reached at 206 633 5190. Ask for Peter Toms, he's the owner (and Repeater user) who makes these power supplies available. Stephen (the other one :) Hi Greg, do they have a website I could eventually order a spare power supply from? Just in case... Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 15:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68JD7J20056; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:13:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040708191245.82275.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040708143224.19429.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_-WssC.A.d2E.wyZ7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peter is also available via email. I don't know his full address, but you can reply to him using the yahoogroups interface. One example of his messages which can be replied to is # 1568 in the group repeater-users. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/message/1568 Greg --- S V G wrote: > > Condor Electronics does not have a web presence. They can be reached at > 206 633 5190. Ask > for Peter Toms, he's the owner (and Repeater user) who makes these power > supplies available. > > Stephen (the other one :) > > > > > Hi Greg, > > do they have a website I could eventually order a spare power supply from? > Just in case... > > Stephen > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 15:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68JDn020391; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040708191333.68504.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE:peater power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FEEF@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <85URJ.A.A9E.fzZ7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Peter Toms at Condor Electronics in Seattle produces an upgraded power supply > for Repeaters.....<< > > is this the same chap who gets rid of the cricket noise from them? it's really > beginning to irritate me. both of mine do it, & they both have simpletech > cards. No, that was someone else. Perhaps someone else remembers his name... Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 16:12:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68K9eT14335; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:09:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:09:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: Subject: Kid Beyond in Boston Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:08:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRlJxf4gfzkc5nLSHqAOKyocT9xzw== Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2004 20:09:19.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[73926380:01C46527] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, fellow loopers -- Kid Beyond here. Normally San Francisco-based, I've got a show in Cambridge MA this weekend that y'all Boston-area folks might be interested in. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SUN, JULY 11 -- 7pm BALL IN THE HOUSE with KID BEYOND RYLES JAZZ CLUB 212 Hampshire St. Cambridge MA (617) 876-9330 All ages ~ $10 http://www.rylesjazz.com http://www.ballinthehouse.com http://www.kidbeyond.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I do live-looping of voice -- singing, throat singing, beatboxing, vocal turntablism, vocal guitarsviolinsharmonicas, etc. -- to create a one-man a cappella band. I use Ableton Live, controlled by a Ground Control Pro pedalboard at my feet. (I never touch the laptop during the show.) My music is on the funk / R&B / trip-hop side of things, with a spiritual thrown in for good measure. It's not as improvisatory as most live-looping; it's predefined songs with words and such. As the East Bay Express (a paper here in the San Francisco area) wrote: Watching Kid Beyond one-man-vocal- percussionist-band his way through Portishead's "Wandering Star" is truly mesmerizing. "That's the best live thing I've ever seen," the dude behind me pants when it's over. Or you can just take my word for it -- it kicks butt. Ball in the House is a 5-man pop/R&B a cappella group. They put on a great show. I'm opening with a 45-minute set. If you show up, come and introduce yourself. I'd love to meet some Boston loopers. Cheers, Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond andrew at bigger bread dot com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://kidbeyond.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 16:20:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68KGOq17609; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:16:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407082015.i68KFoh17227@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Dalai phon : Was: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:16:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1ed.24c8b597.2e1ca003@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRjuwLJmoUqyb9QRiWfgl2+hkCN8ABbODhA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's one I think some folks might of heard before but, for those that haven't I think a listen is well worth the time. Music by David Cossin http://www.davidcossin.com/ Sample (actually a full track) Amplified Cardboard Tube http://www.davidcossin.com/Music/A.C.T.%20radio%201.mp3 -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dalai phon : Was: other recorder recommendations ? In a message dated 7/6/04 5:00:22 PM, nospam@akroeger.com writes: << care to tell us more about the instrument and the recording Dalai Phon? >> Hi If memory serves: the instrument was just a thumb piano I made out of a tin can and hairpins. I think it was a small cylindrical can for Dorset Shortbread, maybe 6 inches tall. I used a SignalFlex guitar tuner pickup to record a track onto my old Boomerang. I played very slowly at the high speed setting and bounced it to the PS02. Then I dropped the Boomerang down to lo-speed setting for a very low pitch and bounced that to the PS02. I took the 2 tracks from the PS02 and put them on my computer. The lowered pitch track was kept whole. The normal track was then pitched upwards using software. Because I had played so slowly, the pitch could raise without the sound bunching up into chipmunkville. Then I offset the tracks and faded one in while fading one out. What I like is that it is just one track but it sounds like different tracks. It made me think of the very low tones mixed with the delicate high harmonics of Tibetan chanting, hence the title - Dalai. cheers BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 17:39:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68LaX020865; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:35:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Dalai phon : Was: other recorder recommendations ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200407082015.i68KFoh17227@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 01:16 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Here's one I think some folks might of heard before but, for those that > haven't I think a listen is well worth the time. > Very cool! Amazing sounds for such a simple instrument. Be sure to listen to the whole clip, the announcer describes how the ACT works a bit at the end. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 18:11:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68M42q01352; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:04:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4327.64.229.85.219.1089324226.squirrel@64.229.85.219> In-Reply-To: References: <200407082015.i68KFoh17227@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dalai phon : Was: other recorder recommendations ? From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Enjoyed that - Very nice piece. David Trenkel wrote: > On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 01:16 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > >> Here's one I think some folks might of heard before but, for those that >> haven't I think a listen is well worth the time. >> > > Very cool! Amazing sounds for such a simple instrument. Be sure to > listen to the whole clip, the announcer describes how the ACT works a > bit at the end. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 19:52:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i68Novk05856; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (gig spam) 7/10 Sensitive Noise at 21 Grand Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:50:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2004 23:50:25.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[56C120B0:01C46546] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saturday, Jul 10 2004 9:00 PM 21 Grand 449B 23rd St. Oakland $6-10 Sensitive noise Solos, duos and quartet with: Joshua Churchill: Guitar/Field Recordings/Radio/Electronics Joel Pickard: Pedal Steel Guitar Chris Cory: Sax/Wind-Controller/Shortwave Radio Matt Davignon: Turntable/Drum Machine Joshua G Churchill is an interdisciplinary artist that works with sound in the context of performance, recordings, and installations. Much of his performance and recording work involves careful transposition and recontextualization of familiar (and unfamiliar) sounds. Through subtle processing, looping, and layering, the sounds he creates and affects constantly transform and fade into one another, losing their original voices and adopting new ones along the way. "The sounds of guitar become raindrops and a gurgling stream to the hush of radio static to the squeal of a bus, before reemerging once again as strings - all the while traveling slowly through space." http://www.infique.net Joel Pickard has worked as an improviser and composer and created music for dance, theatre, video, gallery installation and performance. In addition to traditional Western instruments his music uses a wide variety of musical materials including crickets, ping-pong balls, toy pianos, loose change, fireworks and walkee talkees. One of his most recent interests, and the subject of his masters thesis for his MA in composition from Mills College 2004 , has been the pedal steel guitar, an instrument long relegated to providing the weeping backdrop to generations of country music ballads. Joel is currently in the process of recording a cd documenting his explorations on this instrument and the development of a musical language that incorporates balloons, knitting needles, music boxes, and chopsticks. Chris Cory has been playing woodwinds since he was 8. After years of performing jazz and no-wave, he burnt out on conventional "songs" in about 1990. He spent the next 10 years paying close attention to sources of subtlely-organized white/gray/red noise - detuned AM/Shortwave radio, rock tumblers, car engines, etc. He now enjoys manipulating and composing with such sounds with a wind controller (midi saxophone device) and various sampling units. Matt Davignon of Oakland, California has been performing and recording experimental music for the last 10 years. Primarily self-taught, he has developed a unique form of intuitive improvisation focusing on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. He prefers to use fairly simple sampling devices to manipulate the sounds of what is already in reach, avoiding the tradition of many electronic musicians to seek the newest, shiniest tools. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 21:34:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i691XVE08900; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:33:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <200407061535.i66FZ7O13104@hemlock.violacea.com> <40EB1CB2.B5FCB8A4@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:07:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a related subject. I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with my rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or easily hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit depth than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. My portable DAT fails on multiple fronts such as being somewhat bulky and being only 16-bit and recording at 48kHz unless one feeds it digital which is non-ideal when the target is CD output. I'm seriously considering getting a MOTU 828mkII to replace my current line mixer and it would be lovely if it had an option to just record to a portable Firewire hard disk, but it doesn't. My somewhat Rube Goldberg option would be something like an ART DI/O as a front end to the DAT deck and figure out how to mount them both to something at least moderately portable. That leaves me at 16-bit, but my understanding is that the ART stuff does a reasonable job of avoiding digital clipping. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 21:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i691obZ14418; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <126.452221db.2e1f53d7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:50:15 EDT Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9Y02.A.cgD.inf7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/8/04 6:33:37 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: << I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with my rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or easily hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit depth than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. >> How about a dedicated laptop? Get a used one or refurbished one with a 30GB drive and have nothing on there except good recording software say 24 bit 96kHz or better. Then you can firewire port over from your MOTU direct into that with little chance of crashes since there will be no software conflicts. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 22:19:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i692G8G25490; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:16:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:16:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: (gig spam) 7/10 Sensitive Noise at 21 Grand Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn,wish i could make it, I have a gig in Monterey, rock righteously my brother. Bill -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:50 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (gig spam) 7/10 Sensitive Noise at 21 Grand Saturday, Jul 10 2004 9:00 PM 21 Grand 449B 23rd St. Oakland $6-10 Sensitive noise Solos, duos and quartet with: Joshua Churchill: Guitar/Field Recordings/Radio/Electronics Joel Pickard: Pedal Steel Guitar Chris Cory: Sax/Wind-Controller/Shortwave Radio Matt Davignon: Turntable/Drum Machine Joshua G Churchill is an interdisciplinary artist that works with sound in the context of performance, recordings, and installations. Much of his performance and recording work involves careful transposition and recontextualization of familiar (and unfamiliar) sounds. Through subtle processing, looping, and layering, the sounds he creates and affects constantly transform and fade into one another, losing their original voices and adopting new ones along the way. "The sounds of guitar become raindrops and a gurgling stream to the hush of radio static to the squeal of a bus, before reemerging once again as strings - all the while traveling slowly through space." http://www.infique.net Joel Pickard has worked as an improviser and composer and created music for dance, theatre, video, gallery installation and performance. In addition to traditional Western instruments his music uses a wide variety of musical materials including crickets, ping-pong balls, toy pianos, loose change, fireworks and walkee talkees. One of his most recent interests, and the subject of his masters thesis for his MA in composition from Mills College 2004 , has been the pedal steel guitar, an instrument long relegated to providing the weeping backdrop to generations of country music ballads. Joel is currently in the process of recording a cd documenting his explorations on this instrument and the development of a musical language that incorporates balloons, knitting needles, music boxes, and chopsticks. Chris Cory has been playing woodwinds since he was 8. After years of performing jazz and no-wave, he burnt out on conventional "songs" in about 1990. He spent the next 10 years paying close attention to sources of subtlely-organized white/gray/red noise - detuned AM/Shortwave radio, rock tumblers, car engines, etc. He now enjoys manipulating and composing with such sounds with a wind controller (midi saxophone device) and various sampling units. Matt Davignon of Oakland, California has been performing and recording experimental music for the last 10 years. Primarily self-taught, he has developed a unique form of intuitive improvisation focusing on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. He prefers to use fairly simple sampling devices to manipulate the sounds of what is already in reach, avoiding the tradition of many electronic musicians to seek the newest, shiniest tools. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 22:31:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i692N3R28340; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:22:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about an Alesis Masterlink? If I'm not mistaken that does real time hard disk recording and mastering with variable sample rate, and has a CD burner. I think it has 450 minutes of storage time at 24 bit resolution It is two rack spaces and has gotten excellent reviews from some of the industries best engineers. You would need to connect to it from your rig, via XLRs I believe, but other than that it is way deeper than most DAT machines, no matter how sophisticated. you might visit the Alesis website for more info. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? On a related subject. I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with my rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or easily hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit depth than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. My portable DAT fails on multiple fronts such as being somewhat bulky and being only 16-bit and recording at 48kHz unless one feeds it digital which is non-ideal when the target is CD output. I'm seriously considering getting a MOTU 828mkII to replace my current line mixer and it would be lovely if it had an option to just record to a portable Firewire hard disk, but it doesn't. My somewhat Rube Goldberg option would be something like an ART DI/O as a front end to the DAT deck and figure out how to mount them both to something at least moderately portable. That leaves me at 16-bit, but my understanding is that the ART stuff does a reasonable job of avoiding digital clipping. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 8 22:33:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i692V5a30926; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:31:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407090219.i692JUS26919@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407090219.i692JUS26919@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--636098527 Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:30:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--636098527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Increasing the bit-depth of your sampling rate doesn't automatically translate to "more headroom". You can always overload the input stage regardless of the number of bits per sample. Figuring out the effective dynamic range of your music and then setting your gain stages accordingly will probably be a lot more effective (and cheaper) than upping your bit-depth. TravisH On Jul 8, 2004, at 7:19 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Mark Hamburg > Date: July 8, 2004 9:07:37 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? > > > On a related subject. I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with my > rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or easily > hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit depth > than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. My > portable DAT fails on multiple fronts such as being somewhat bulky and > being only 16-bit and recording at 48kHz unless one feeds it digital > which is non-ideal when the target is CD output. --Apple-Mail-1--636098527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Increasing the bit-depth of your sampling rate doesn't automatically translate to "more headroom". You can always overload the input stage regardless of the number of bits per sample. Figuring out the effective dynamic range of your music and then setting your gain stages accordingly will probably be a lot more effective (and cheaper) than upping your bit-depth. TravisH On Jul 8, 2004, at 7:19 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: Mark Hamburg < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 8, 2004 9:07:37 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? On a related subject. I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with my rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or easily hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit depth than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. My portable DAT fails on multiple fronts such as being somewhat bulky and being only 16-bit and recording at 48kHz unless one feeds it digital which is non-ideal when the target is CD output. --Apple-Mail-1--636098527-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 00:22:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i694Kai15194; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:20:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:20:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040709041907.60676.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need your savvy advice, ive never played one and there are different kinds with different knee levelers etc. i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am not interested in becoming a country player,i want to use it more as an enhancing instrument.I ve been checking out the carter student model,any comments? thanx L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 00:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i694WFd16386; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407090431.i694VWh16298@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:31:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040709041907.60676.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRlbDTN8lEDoBhLQMKILZWHEiMriQAAMfnA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go here http://steelguitarforum.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi there are a bunch of folks who know what there talking about there -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pedal steels Hi loopers, i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need your savvy advice, ive never played one and there are different kinds with different knee levelers etc. i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am not interested in becoming a country player,i want to use it more as an enhancing instrument.I ve been checking out the carter student model,any comments? thanx L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 01:23:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i695Kjo23502; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:20:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:20:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040709051957.72808.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407090431.i694VWh16298@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanx! L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Go here > http://steelguitarforum.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi > there are a bunch > of folks who know what there talking about there > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: pedal steels > > Hi loopers, > i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need > your savvy advice, ive > never played one and there are different kinds with > different knee levelers > etc. > i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am not > interested in becoming > a country player,i want to use it more as an > enhancing instrument.I ve been > checking out the carter student model,any comments? > thanx > L.a > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 01:43:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i695dlZ25436; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:39:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:39:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407090539.i695deh25404@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:39:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040709051957.72808.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRldJVhMVUlLZKfSJu0yJdQeH1QCQAAdRgQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You got me started browsing on this looks like the Carterstarterhttp://www.carterstarter.com would be a good place to start three pedal four levers s10 (single 10 string neck) man I am learning a lot this is a gearheads dream instrument. S12, D10, copedeant (all those new terms) Man you might have to start calling me Loopin Cowboy Joe next ;D -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pedal steels thanx! L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Go here > http://steelguitarforum.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi > there are a bunch > of folks who know what there talking about there > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: pedal steels > > Hi loopers, > i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need your savvy advice, > ive never played one and there are different kinds with different knee > levelers etc. > i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am not interested in > becoming a country player,i want to use it more as an enhancing > instrument.I ve been checking out the carter student model,any > comments? > thanx > L.a > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 03:49:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i697k2l12954; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040709074546.84319.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE:peater power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407090219.i692JUu26920@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3_4gXB.A.1JD.w0k7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peter Toms at Condor Electronics can be reached at Ptoms@AD1440.net He is not the guy who does the power supply mod, if I remember correctly, that guy was in the Boston area or somewhere on the East Coast (or was it somewhere in Germany?). However, Peter may have some ideas as to what causes it and how to get around it. It's worth a try. Stephen > >>Peter Toms at Condor Electronics in Seattle produces an upgraded power supply > for Repeaters.....<< > > is this the same chap who gets rid of the cricket noise from them? it's really > beginning to irritate me. both of mine do it, & they both have simpletech > cards. No, that was someone else. Perhaps someone else remembers his name... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 04:20:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i698Iit18374; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4659E.0D4B66E0@dyn-83-152-187-178.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:18:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4659E.0D4B66E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4659E.0D4B66E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Louis, in case you'd be interested, I used to own one which I sold now,=20 but I still have Mel Bay's Pedal Steel Guitar Method by Dewitt Scott which is a book + CD and would be pleased to sell it to you. This book has some good beginner info about the instrument, how to tune it, etc etc. It is based on the E9 chromatic tuning. By the way, I also have the Oak Pedal Steel guitar book by Willie = Winston & Bill Keith which is very complete and includes a mini 33 1/3 record with samples. I think if you really want to have fun, a 2 neck instrument would=20 allow you to fiddle with the C6 tuning which sounds more like "swing"; a bit more of learning but a lot of extra harmonies to experience. I think getting a new instrument, or at least a not too old one would be = better. Mine was a 1984 ZB, and all the mechanics below were not so easy to = adjust. Also if I remember well, you are based in Europe so shipping of the = books should be easier and faster. Feel free to contact me offline if you'd like more details. all the best Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: L. Angulo [SMTP:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Date: vendredi 9 juillet 2004 06:19 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: pedal steels Hi loopers, i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need your savvy advice, ive never played one and there are different kinds with different knee levelers etc. i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am not interested in becoming a country player,i want to use it more as an enhancing instrument.I ve been checking out the carter student model,any comments? thanx L.a =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.luis-angulo.com =09 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Angulo" Subject: RE: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407090539.i695deh25404@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great Alan! maybe you can teach me a twang;-) i do have a telecaster setup with a b-bender which Gene parson installed for me in california and i can certainly fake some of those licks,but its different.What really got me interested in the pedal steel was things like the end of Led Zeppelins "over the hills and far away"(which i always thought it was a keyboard sound)and some of Brian Enos pedal steel soundscapes.If you got any interesting loop pedal steel recording suggestions let me know! Cheers L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > You got me started browsing on this looks like the > Carterstarterhttp://www.carterstarter.com would be a > good place to start > three pedal four levers s10 (single 10 string neck) > man I am learning a lot > this is a gearheads dream instrument. S12, D10, > copedeant (all those new > terms) > Man you might have to start calling me Loopin Cowboy > Joe next ;D > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:20 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: pedal steels > > thanx! > L.a > > --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > > Go here > > http://steelguitarforum.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi > > there are a bunch > > of folks who know what there talking about there > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:19 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: pedal steels > > > > Hi loopers, > > i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need > your savvy advice, > > ive never played one and there are different kinds > with different knee > > levelers etc. > > i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am > not interested in > > becoming a country player,i want to use it more as > an enhancing > > instrument.I ve been checking out the carter > student model,any > > comments? > > thanx > > L.a > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > providers! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 08:54:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69CjlG04361; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <028f01c465b2$94cb9310$4f42fea9@gebaeude4t0t2k> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <20040709123845.24910.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:45:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check this out: The affordable version ;) http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html Now the strings are high enough and have a wider spacing to play pedal steel. Well sort of ;) Greetings Jens. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 09:06:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69CwMp10696; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407091258.i69Cw3h10519@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040709123845.24910.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRlskY5ezVD7S5ZTeSlC3VvmBSGAQAAaGhA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take a listen the Yes and Steve Howe on Relayer there was some very interesting Pedal Steel work on that album. I have thought about Pedal Steel on and off through the years but, the beasts take up a lot of room ;D -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pedal steels Great Alan! maybe you can teach me a twang;-) i do have a telecaster setup with a b-bender which Gene parson installed for me in california and i can certainly fake some of those licks,but its different.What really got me interested in the pedal steel was things like the end of Led Zeppelins "over the hills and far away"(which i always thought it was a keyboard sound)and some of Brian Enos pedal steel soundscapes.If you got any interesting loop pedal steel recording suggestions let me know! Cheers L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > You got me started browsing on this looks like the > Carterstarterhttp://www.carterstarter.com would be a good place to > start three pedal four levers s10 (single 10 string neck) man I am > learning a lot this is a gearheads dream instrument. S12, D10, > copedeant (all those new > terms) > Man you might have to start calling me Loopin Cowboy Joe next ;D > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:20 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: pedal steels > > thanx! > L.a > > --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > > Go here > > http://steelguitarforum.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi > > there are a bunch > > of folks who know what there talking about there > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:19 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: pedal steels > > > > Hi loopers, > > i am hunting for a pedal steel guitar and i need > your savvy advice, > > ive never played one and there are different kinds > with different knee > > levelers etc. > > i dont want to get x-tra sofisticated since i am > not interested in > > becoming a country player,i want to use it more as > an enhancing > > instrument.I ve been checking out the carter > student model,any > > comments? > > thanx > > L.a > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > providers! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 09:38:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69DYPf28228; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040709133410.71591.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <028f01c465b2$94cb9310$4f42fea9@gebaeude4t0t2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 dlls. looks like that now;-) L.a --- Jens Wolters wrote: > check this out: > The affordable version ;) > > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html > > Now the strings are high enough and have a wider > spacing to play pedal > steel. > Well sort of ;) > > Greetings Jens. > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 09:50:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69De9j30992; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:40:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:39:45 -0400 Subject: Re: pedal steels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040709133410.71591.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <70B54E13-D1AD-11D8-94F9-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't forget the lap steel. certainly a lot more portable, and many great sounds can be had from them. i also use an acoustic hawaiian lap guitar for a lot of my work, and a cd is forthcoming from the swiss label "cut" which is a live performance with myself on bowed, looped and grm-tooled lap guitar and john hudak on really long looped electric. couldn't resist the plug, sorry. cheers bruce On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 09:34 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 > dlls. looks like that now;-) > L.a > > > > > > --- Jens Wolters wrote: >> check this out: >> The affordable version ;) >> >> > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html >> >> Now the strings are high enough and have a wider >> spacing to play pedal >> steel. >> Well sort of ;) >> >> Greetings Jens. >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 10:10:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69E1pl08875; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407091258.i69Cw3h10519@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407091258.i69Cw3h10519@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FFEBBCD-D1B0-11D8-8A38-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:01:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-09, at 14.58, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Take a listen the Yes and Steve Howe on Relayer there was some very > interesting Pedal Steel work on that album. Do you mean the part where the guitar starts and then vocals join in on the same melody ("soon oh soon....")? I've always thought Steve Howe played that part with a telecaster with bottleneck and volume pedal, because that's what he is using on the rest of the album. BTW, what an album that is!!! ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 10:12:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69E9UH12279; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:09:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:09:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40EEA58F.9040005@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:02:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #381 for July 8, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5mZWd.A.a-C.Pcq7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040708.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #381 July 8, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Crime of Suspense" which is disc 2 of the 10 CD boxed set "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" on the Rainhorse label, part of Manikin Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Tangram" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Tangram Set 1 * Ricochet (Virgin) The Omega Syndicate 12:21 pm Analogue Waves (Neu Harmony) Volt First Contact Star Compass (Groove) VA [Broekhuis, Keller, Watermusic E-dition #2 (E-dition) Schonwalder] 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Good Old 4 On the Floor The Crime of Suspense (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze J.E.M. The Crime of Suspense (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze Overchill * The Crime of Suspense (Rainhorse) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze and his "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" ten CD boxed set. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Trance 4 Motion" on the Rainhorse label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Theif" by Tangerine Dream on the Elektra/Asylum label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 10:15:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69EAnW12974; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> X-Sender: ddw@pop.dakotacom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 07:10:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wellington Subject: EDP delivery? In-Reply-To: <200407091338.i69Dc4G29928@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone received an EDP from the new shipment? I've been on Alto's waiting list for some months, and I've called them a couple times, but they keep telling me to wait. Does anyone else have them in stock? Thanks, -Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 10:27:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69EPDk19871; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407091425.i69EP2h19679@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:25:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6FFEBBCD-D1B0-11D8-8A38-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRlviOt9vauzdppS5y5gPXute8DnwAAHh9A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relayer The tune I was thinking of the tune 'To Be Over' (slower ballad) on 'Relayer' where he definitely does some distinctively pedal steel style lick and chord tuning. Is it Pedal steel all the way through *shrug* this was the time when Howe was using multiple guitars in one tune (live) I saw the Relayer concert tour (I forget whether I saw it in Dec 1974 or Jan 1975 but, it definitely was cold then ;D) Relayer was there really fusion styled album and Patrick Moraz really shifted there sound (way different then Wakeman) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels On 2004-07-09, at 14.58, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Take a listen the Yes and Steve Howe on Relayer there was some very > interesting Pedal Steel work on that album. Do you mean the part where the guitar starts and then vocals join in on the same melody ("soon oh soon....")? I've always thought Steve Howe played that part with a telecaster with bottleneck and volume pedal, because that's what he is using on the rest of the album. BTW, what an album that is!!! ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 11:02:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69Exug06880; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <98D90FFA-D1B8-11D8-BDF1-0003939F02DA@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dave Budde Subject: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:59:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale. Anyone here interested? I'll put it up on ebay in a week if no one here responds. Price is firm at $750. Free shipping and available to US locations only. I purchased it new in late April. I bought it for a specific project which is now complete. I really like it but don't have much use for it so can't justify keeping it. I've only used it in a smokeless home environment and it has gotten very little use. It is in original condition and has Loop IV firmware. I don't have the foot controller. It comes with the EDP, the very well written manual, and power cord in the original box. Email me for a photo or any questions. It's in Seattle. Payments must clear before shipping. Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 11:13:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69F9eW11035; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:09:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:09:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407091509.i69F9Th10932@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:09:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6FFEBBCD-D1B0-11D8-8A38-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRlviOt9vauzdppS5y5gPXute8DnwAB8NWA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last part of 'Gates of Delirium' a multi part epic (typical of Yes) also from Relayer Lyrics Here http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/Yes/TheGatesofDelirium.asp That might have been a bottleneck performance ?? -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels "soon oh soon...."? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 11:35:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69FVv720424; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407091509.i69F9Th10932@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407091509.i69F9Th10932@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <09760F50-D1BD-11D8-8A38-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:31:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2Iy90.A.c8E.Tpr7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep, that's the one! All the way since -74 I never learned to read the record covers... ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-07-09, at 17.09, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Last part of 'Gates of Delirium' a multi part epic (typical of Yes) > also > from Relayer > > Lyrics Here > http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/Yes/TheGatesofDelirium.asp > > That might have been a bottleneck performance ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: pedal steels > > "soon oh soon...."? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 12:06:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69Fx4c00366; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407091558.i69Fwjh32434@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:59:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040709133410.71591.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRlua2nBEWwzIccQu22fFdUfo3TyQAEsGVA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well Luis if you decide to go with a Pedal Steel let us know what you find out. I may look into this one but, there are so many choices and it fairly diverse topic really have to think this out (especially since country western has never been my thing) I need another year of Bow work before I would expose my attempts at Oldtime Fiddle Glitch (or whatever I decide to call it at the moment ;D) to the public this might be a good choice having played guitar way too many years (and being bored of it) I wonder just how hard it is to get Pedal Steel figured out and transfer standard guitar knowledge to it? -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 dlls. looks like that now;-) L.a --- Jens Wolters wrote: > check this out: > The affordable version ;) > > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html > > Now the strings are high enough and have a wider spacing to play pedal > steel. > Well sort of ;) > > Greetings Jens. > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 12:45:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69Gdtb20807; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:39:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:39:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP delivery? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:39:37 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c465d3$533d2f00$6701a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I received both of my from Musicians Friend...popped them in my rack yesterday and I'm already learning how to use them. I think I may have a few questions about using the EDP. I'll post in a separate email. The basics were easy, right out of the box. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Doug Wellington [mailto:ddw@dakotacom.net] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP delivery? Has anyone received an EDP from the new shipment? I've been on Alto's waiting list for some months, and I've called them a couple times, but they keep telling me to wait. Does anyone else have them in stock? Thanks, -Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 12:56:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69Gqio26623; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:52:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: <200407090219.i692JUS26919@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--584409563 Message-Id: <5799F852-D1C8-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:52:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--584409563 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed A signal recorded at -20dBFS (a common analog 0 VU level) on a 16 bit system is only a 13 bit sample. If you need more than 20 dB of headroom in an unpredictable live situation, you can easily end up with the quiet parts being essentially 8 bit recordings. This is true no matter how carefully you set your gain structure. Yuck! On a 24 bit system, you can record at -48 and still get a 16 bit sample. Of course that's assuming you that the converter is performing as advertised. Most don't, but 21 bits is still more than 14. Also I think we're talking about recording line level signals direct, so mic and preamp noise floor won't be the limiting factor. Using microphones in a 24 bit system with very good preamps and converters, I still usually run out of money before I run out of mic noise. -Alex S. p.s. bit depth and sampling rate are independent On Jul 8, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Increasing the bit-depth of your sampling rate doesn't automatically > translate to "more headroom". You can always overload the input stage > regardless of the number of bits per sample. Figuring out the > effective dynamic range of your music and then setting your gain > stages accordingly will probably be a lot more effective (and cheaper) > than upping your bit-depth. > > TravisH > > On Jul 8, 2004, at 7:19 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> From: Mark Hamburg >> Date: July 8, 2004 9:07:37 AM PDT >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? >> >> >> On a related subject. I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with >> my rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or >> easily hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit >> depth than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. >> My portable DAT fails on multiple fronts such as being somewhat bulky >> and being only 16-bit and recording at 48kHz unless one feeds it >> digital which is non-ideal when the target is CD output. --Apple-Mail-1--584409563 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII A signal recorded at -20dBFS (a common analog 0 VU level) on a 16 bit system is only a 13 bit sample. If you need more than 20 dB of headroom in an unpredictable live situation, you can easily end up with the quiet parts being essentially 8 bit recordings. This is true no matter how carefully you set your gain structure. Yuck! On a 24 bit system, you can record at -48 and still get a 16 bit sample. Of course that's assuming you that the converter is performing as advertised. Most don't, but 21 bits is still more than 14. Also I think we're talking about recording line level signals direct, so mic and preamp noise floor won't be the limiting factor. Using microphones in a 24 bit system with very good preamps and converters, I still usually run out of money before I run out of mic noise. -Alex S. p.s. bit depth and sampling rate are independent On Jul 8, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: Increasing the bit-depth of your sampling rate doesn't automatically translate to "more headroom". You can always overload the input stage regardless of the number of bits per sample. Figuring out the effective dynamic range of your music and then setting your gain stages accordingly will probably be a lot more effective (and cheaper) than upping your bit-depth. TravisH On Jul 8, 2004, at 7:19 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: Mark Hamburg < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 8, 2004 9:07:37 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? On a related subject. I'm looking for a stereo recorder to use with my rig when doing live gigs. Preferably something rackmountable or easily hidden inside my relatively small rack. Preferably higher bit depth than 16-bit so that I've got headroom to spare while playing. My portable DAT fails on multiple fronts such as being somewhat bulky and being only 16-bit and recording at 48kHz unless one feeds it digital which is non-ideal when the target is CD output. --Apple-Mail-1--584409563-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 13:18:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69HELO02429; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c465d8$2960d650$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> <000401c465d6$8f1b6340$6401a8c0@watercooled> Subject: Re: EDP delivery? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:14:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ordered two EDPs on January 26th from Musicians Friend and finally got an email notice that they were shipped last week. On Wednesday UPS delivered the package but there was only one (!) EDP in the box when the packing slip said that there was two sent. Naturally, I freaked. I've been on the phone with them everyday since and, as was determined by the weight of the package sent, they saw that there was indeed only one EDP sent and that I was not trying to scam them. The MFs told me that the second EDP was shipped this morning. Let's hope. -PG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 13:18:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69H3YL31459; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:03:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:03:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c465d6$8f1b6340$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> Subject: Re: EDP delivery? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:02:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone received an EDP from the new shipment? I've been on Alto's waiting list for some months, and I've called them a couple times, but they keep telling me to wait. Does anyone else have them in stock? I think Musician's Friend ( http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) has them in stock. At least, they did the last time I checked. I just got mine yesterday from Musician's Friend ... after I had to haul-ass home from work to intercept UPS because Musician's Friend screwed up and shipped it to my home address instead of my shipping address which is where I was waiting for it (my office). When I originally ordered the thing, seems like a lifetime ago, in early February, my shipping address was correct. Then as the months went by and Musician's Friend mistakenly cancelled the order even though I told them not to (once by e-mail and then by phone), I called them and made them reinstate the order but they didn't put the correct shipping address back in. Just another one of the many headaches caused by the inexcusable delay of the Echoplex shipment and Musician's Friend incompetance. Ordering this EDP was the worst product purchase experience I've ever had in my life for one of the coolest products I've ever used. I will never forgive Gibson for this. This situation was completely unacceptable. Hopefully, this is the last time I will have to comment on that and everything will be okay with the EDP and I can move on. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 13:29:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69HPre06998; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: EDP delivery? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:25:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine arrived yesterday. I ordered it from Musician's Friend in late April. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Wellington [mailto:ddw@dakotacom.net] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP delivery? Has anyone received an EDP from the new shipment? I've been on Alto's waiting list for some months, and I've called them a couple times, but they keep telling me to wait. Does anyone else have them in stock? Thanks, -Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 13:48:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69Hl5H15939; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:47:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:47:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:49:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200407091349.AA730857702@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: LA booking? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, looks like I'm going to be in LA next month. I know it is super short notice, but I haven't booked a show down there in 6 years so I'm not sure who to call or where to play anymore. Anyone know of a good venue or two in LA that is experimental music supportive and isn't booked six months in advance? (I'm not even going to bother with the Knitting Factory) Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 14:22:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69ILYu30528; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C465F2.46584EE0@dyn-83-155-180-140.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:21:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C465F2.465FF000" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C465F2.465FF000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello,=20 as a long time (1971) YES fan, I confirm Steve Howe has played and still plays a pedal steel guitar on stage and in the = studio. They played here in Paris on June 22nd, and it did play it (intro of = Going for the One, starting the show). He does not use the pedals or knee levers, just slides the steel on the = strings and he plays it standing, that is he has extanded the legs of the pedal = steel so that=20 it is very high and the necks are about at the height of his chest. Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Alan Kroeger [SMTP:nospam@akroeger.com] Date: vendredi 9 juillet 2004 17:10 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: pedal steels Last part of 'Gates of Delirium' a multi part epic (typical of Yes) = also from Relayer=20 Lyrics Here http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/Yes/TheGatesofDelirium.asp That might have been a bottleneck performance ?? -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels "soon oh soon...."? 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Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407091939.i69Jdlh28341@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:40:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <01C465F2.46584EE0@dyn-83-155-180-140.ppp.tiscali.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRl4YIeB0ivxNHLEdie40RFU1QAAAACjjwg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com _____________________________________________ From: F Lebrun [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:21 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES hello, as a long time (1971) YES fan, I confirm Steve Howe has played and still plays a pedal steel guitar on stage and in the studio. They played here in Paris on June 22nd, and it did play it (intro of Going for the One, starting the show). He does not use the pedals or knee levers, just slides the steel on the strings and he plays it standing, that is he has extanded the legs of the pedal steel so that it is very high and the necks are about at the height of his chest. **************************************************************************** ******************************** That pretty much what I recall of how Howe handled Pedal Steel. I guess I will have to set myself up to do some pseudo Lap Steel (ie use my SG as a Lap Steel) and ivestigate this a little more. Here is one of many tuning links but, this one is more specifically Lap Steel http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/tuning.html for any who wish to further investigate this idea. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 15:57:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69JtRe01525; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c465f0$2195fa50$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <200407091939.i69Jdlh28341@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:05:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a mere 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering skills that's going to look at it. Just wondering if any of you have had to do this...any success stories (hopefully no failure stories!)? I've gotten a few tips from the rec.music.makers.synth group, like be careful of the thin tin leads... I wish I could just clip the old out, clip the new in! Sorry for the OT, have a great day! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 16:07:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69K30X05872; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:02:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2004 20:02:05.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BB75910:01C465EF] Resent-Message-ID: <7mX5T.A.wWB.Dnv7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't expect to edit onboard this thing. Otherwise, it works great for basic live recording and burning to a CD. It advertises all kinds of mastering features (limiting compression, EQ), but its interface is SO BAD that all I was really able to do was normalize. Even inserting track breaks was a serious pain. If you can get one cheap, maybe do it, but last I knew these were going for over a grand. I bought one and returned it after two very frustrating recording experiences. Jon > What about an Alesis Masterlink? If I'm not mistaken that does real time > hard disk recording and mastering with variable sample rate, and has a CD > burner. I think it has 450 minutes of storage time at 24 bit resolution It > is two rack spaces and has gotten excellent reviews from some of the > industries best engineers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 16:21:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69KHd212029; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:17:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <29.5bf03e3e.2e205745@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:17:09 EDT Subject: Re: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.5bf03e3e.2e205745_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.5bf03e3e.2e205745_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit luis.....i am having great fun with the (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound machine.....:).....michael --part1_29.5bf03e3e.2e205745_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable luis...= ..i am having great fun with the  (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guit= ar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from MF.....it's not=20= a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the field of slide guitar tha= t's not going to stress the bank account and it is totally easy to gig with,= comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pret= ty wacky sound machine.....:).....michael --part1_29.5bf03e3e.2e205745_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 17:28:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69LNH206091; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:23:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:23:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Tascam Porta One 4 track $20... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found my old 4track last week in a box. I don't have the PS or anything for it and quite frankly it's seen better days. Still there are a lot of DIYers on this list and the unit is cool as hell in features. I'm asking $20 plus shipping or some nonsensical trade. Otherwise it gets tossed to the local wolves. Pics of the unit http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/porta1side.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/portaouts.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/porta1front.jpg Assume it doesn't work properly and think about it as parts. I'm selling it "as is" certainly. I did use it for years but remember the heartbreak of having it break down and paying $95 and waiting months since no one local touches these things. I got it repaired only for it still to act up so we stopped talking to each other. I dunno, I think it would make a cool sculpture if nothing else... paypal would be dandy. thanks ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 17:40:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69Lc6o12866; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:37:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C465DB.7152C6F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <29.5bf03e3e.2e205745@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRl8ckuVLbDMFhiTdC9BX3s1Pe+CwACxDlw Message-ID: <1089409019.5938@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C465DB.7152C6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. DM _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels luis.....i am having great fun with the (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound machine.....:).....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C465DB.7152C6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have one too. They get good = reviews even in the pro players forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap = steels

 

They are $59 now at Musicians = Friend. What a deal.

 

DM

 

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luis.....i am having great fun with the  = (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember = which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the = field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and it is = totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound = machine.....:).....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C465DB.7152C6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 17:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69LbY512689; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040709213720.39585.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407091939.i69Jdlh28341@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > That pretty much what I recall of how Howe handled Pedal Steel. > I guess I will have to set myself up to do some pseudo Lap Steel (ie use my > SG as a Lap Steel) and ivestigate this a little more. Here is one of many > tuning links but, this one is more specifically Lap Steel > http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/tuning.html for any who wish to further > investigate this idea. Musician's Friend sells a cheap little lap steel for about $60. Might be interesting to start experimenting with. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 18:50:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69MmGK08010; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c46605$bf0c4ae0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <01C465F2.46584EE0@dyn-83-155-180-140.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: pedal steels + YES Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:40:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1-qHzC.A.S4B.5By7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being a intensely freakish YES fan myself, I have to remind the group that Steve Howe also played pedal steel all over Close To The Edge as well. Witness: And You And I and parts of Close To The Edge. Damn I love that guy. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Lebrun" To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES hello, as a long time (1971) YES fan, I confirm Steve Howe has played and still plays a pedal steel guitar on stage and in the studio. They played here in Paris on June 22nd, and it did play it (intro of Going for the One, starting the show). He does not use the pedals or knee levers, just slides the steel on the strings and he plays it standing, that is he has extanded the legs of the pedal steel so that it is very high and the necks are about at the height of his chest. Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Alan Kroeger [SMTP:nospam@akroeger.com] Date: vendredi 9 juillet 2004 17:10 Ą: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: pedal steels Last part of 'Gates of Delirium' a multi part epic (typical of Yes) also from Relayer Lyrics Here http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/Yes/TheGatesofDelirium.asp That might have been a bottleneck performance ?? -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels "soon oh soon...."? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 19:26:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69NFWR20383; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407092315.i69NFBh20224@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE Steve Howe as a Looper ;D Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:15:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <007501c46605$bf0c4ae0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRmBu+qsFkmvkkxROC+f/TuFZj6ywAAP++g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels + YES Being a intensely freakish YES fan myself ************ Yup he gained his fame the old fashion way he earned our respect :) *Fictitious Fantasy Lettert* Hello (Our Esteemed Guitar God) Steve Howe Please don't take this the wrong way as we know you are one of the best players that has ever been our delight to hear but, we the members of the Loopers Delight Mail list are saddened by the fact that you too are not a fellow looper. We also feel like we have not heard everything that could have been done by you if we have not heard you loop. We have all decided that you must obtain several loopers and make at least one looping album before it is too late and the opportunity is lost. We have thus decided to petition all of the manufacturers of looping devices and have them send you at least one if not more of there particular device (that is if you will deem to accept them) We feel it is vitaly important that there be at least one more looping god in existance besides Andre Lafosse. This we feel would help to legitemize the musical form of looping and should require little or no effort on your part to learn as you already seem to have every guitar processor in existance (so, why not a looper too) If you do find any difficulty using any device we are sure someone from this list will voluteer to assist you free of charge. Thank you Members of the Looper Delight Mailing List. ************* Yeah I'm a fan did anyone else get to see the Yes with Strings Tour I saw it in Danbury Connecticut at the Charles Ives center a nice small outdoor setting a fairly small venue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 19:31:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69NRnZ24665; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1Bj4lr-1Psl-0MKyxe-0002Ip@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:27:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <007501c46605$bf0c4ae0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRmBvUIAwJ5GubwRkuAaEHZ795Q+AABQizQ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i69NRFh24473 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y'all are wrong, those are lap steels, not pedal steels..a Fender Twin Neck and Quad Neck. Saw em up close..no pedals, and no place for them, just planks of wood with strings attached. One neck tuned normal guitar, one tuned to an open E. Btw, He has a JamMan in his rack, though I never heard him loop with it. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Being a intensely freakish YES fan myself, I have to remind > the group that Steve Howe also played pedal steel all over > Close To The Edge as well. > Witness: And You And I and parts of Close To The Edge. > > Damn I love that guy. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "F Lebrun" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:21 PM > Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES > > > > hello, > as a long time (1971) YES fan, I confirm Steve Howe has > played and still plays a pedal steel guitar on stage and in > the studio. > They played here in Paris on June 22nd, and it did play it > (intro of Going for the One, starting the show). > He does not use the pedals or knee levers, just slides the > steel on the strings and he plays it standing, that is he has > extanded the legs of the pedal steel so that it is very high > and the necks are about at the height of his chest. > > Francois > check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times > > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Alan Kroeger [SMTP:nospam@akroeger.com] > Date: vendredi 9 juillet 2004 17:10 > Ą: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: RE: pedal steels > > Last part of 'Gates of Delirium' a multi part epic (typical > of Yes) also from Relayer > > Lyrics Here > http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/Yes/TheGatesofDelirium.asp > > That might have been a bottleneck performance ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: pedal steels > > "soon oh soon...."? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 19:45:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i69NgSC30153; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:42:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:42:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c4660d$6ccb5750$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <1Bj4lr-1Psl-0MKyxe-0002Ip@mrelay.perfora.net> Subject: Re: pedal steels + YES Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:35:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fair enough! I was using the term pedal steel in some sort of flawed, broad sense. I trust your assessment since it's so specific :) All I know is that I love Howe's ability to play in that overcrowded band, and still *be Steve Howe*. Really innovative playing, great melodic sense, and eehhhhh, ya know, fairly decent chops. Does anyone know if he's done any live looping? I'd bet he's at least experimented with looping, or at least long delay lines. Especially with a JamMan in his rack. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES Y'all are wrong, those are lap steels, not pedal steels..a Fender Twin Neck and Quad Neck. Saw em up close..no pedals, and no place for them, just planks of wood with strings attached. One neck tuned normal guitar, one tuned to an open E. Btw, He has a JamMan in his rack, though I never heard him loop with it. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Being a intensely freakish YES fan myself, I have to remind > the group that Steve Howe also played pedal steel all over > Close To The Edge as well. > Witness: And You And I and parts of Close To The Edge. > > Damn I love that guy. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "F Lebrun" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:21 PM > Subject: RE: pedal steels + YES > > > > hello, > as a long time (1971) YES fan, I confirm Steve Howe has > played and still plays a pedal steel guitar on stage and in > the studio. > They played here in Paris on June 22nd, and it did play it > (intro of Going for the One, starting the show). > He does not use the pedals or knee levers, just slides the > steel on the strings and he plays it standing, that is he has > extanded the legs of the pedal steel so that it is very high > and the necks are about at the height of his chest. > > Francois > check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times > > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Alan Kroeger [SMTP:nospam@akroeger.com] > Date: vendredi 9 juillet 2004 17:10 > Ą: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: RE: pedal steels > > Last part of 'Gates of Delirium' a multi part epic (typical > of Yes) also from Relayer > > Lyrics Here > http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/Yes/TheGatesofDelirium.asp > > That might have been a bottleneck performance ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: pedal steels > > "soon oh soon...."? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 20:12:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A06TU07753; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1089409019.5938@mx64a.mysite4now.com> References: <1089409019.5938@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: msottilaro Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:05:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6A06Jh07665 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why do I see it as $99? Mark On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: > I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players forums. > A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels > >   > > They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. > >   > > DM > >   > > > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: pedal steels > >   > > luis.....i am having great fun with the  (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap > steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from > MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the > field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and > it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about > 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound > machine.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 20:48:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A0kRN23074; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <1089409019.5938@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--556025897 Message-Id: <6D95A0B8-D20A-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:45:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7--556025897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, it was=20 $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99. I wonder if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest=20 being generated and upped the price. Or do they monitor their web=20 traffic so well that a certain number of hits within a specific period=20= of time constitutes a price jump? Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price hikes=20 for weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one=20 for $59 for fun, but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't=20 know, after reading about everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their=20 EDP's, especially in addition to this odd price hike, I might just stay=20= clear of Musicians Friend. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote: > Why do I see it as $99? > > Mark > > On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: > >> I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players forums.=20= >> A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels >> >> =A0 >> >> They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. >> >> =A0 >> >> DM >> >> =A0 >> >> >> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: pedal steels >> >> =A0 >> >> luis.....i am having great fun with the=A0 (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap=20= >> steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from=20= >> MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the=20 >> field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and=20= >> it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about=20= >> 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound=20 >> machine.....:).....michael > > --Apple-Mail-7--556025897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, it was $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99. =20 I wonder if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest being generated and upped the price. Or do they monitor their web traffic so well that a certain number of hits within a specific period of time constitutes a price jump? =20 Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price hikes for weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one for $59 for fun, but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't know, after reading about everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their EDP's, especially in addition to this odd price hike, I might just stay clear of Musicians Friend. =20 = Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get = Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob =20 = Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0......................................................=20 Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 http://www.optimusrob.com = _________________________________________________ On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote: Why do I see it as $99? Mark On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels =A0 They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. =A0 DM =A0 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels =A0 luis.....i am having great fun with the=A0 (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound machine.....:).....michael = --Apple-Mail-7--556025897-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 20:59:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A0w6B28002; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6D95A0B8-D20A-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> References: <1089409019.5938@mx64a.mysite4now.com> <6D95A0B8-D20A-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--555285774 Message-Id: <26BB8101-D20C-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:57:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <15KQF.A.dzG.U8z7AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-8--555285774 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just called MF to inquire, and yes "prices can change without notice." =20= Upon asking if that's triggered by web traffic, he "wasn't really sure,=20= but prices do tend to go up and down." To me, that seems a lot like a clothing store employee waiting for the=20= customer to try on a pair of pants and then increasing the price once=20 they show interest. If this is in fact true, it's something of which everyone needs to be=20 aware. I'm staying clear of those dirty dogs until I hear otherwise. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:45 PM, Optimus Rob wrote: > You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, it was=20= > $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99. > > I wonder if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest=20= > being generated and upped the price. Or do they monitor their web=20 > traffic so well that a certain number of hits within a specific period=20= > of time constitutes a price jump? > > Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price hikes=20= > for weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one=20= > for $59 for fun, but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't=20 > know, after reading about everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their=20 > EDP's, especially in addition to this odd price hike, I might just=20 > stay clear of Musicians Friend. > Get Optimized, > Rob > ...................................................... > Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... > "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" > http://www.optimusrob.com > _________________________________________________ > > On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote: > >> Why do I see it as $99? >> >> Mark >> >> On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: >> >>> I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players=20 >>> forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels >>> >>> =A0 >>> >>> They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. >>> >>> =A0 >>> >>> DM >>> >>> =A0 >>> >>> >>> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: pedal steels >>> >>> =A0 >>> >>> luis.....i am having great fun with the=A0 (ARTISAN EA-1 electric = lap=20 >>> steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which,=20 >>> from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to=20= >>> the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank=20 >>> account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case=20= >>> that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound=20= >>> machine.....:).....michael >> >> --Apple-Mail-8--555285774 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just called MF to inquire, and yes "prices can change without notice."=20= Upon asking if that's triggered by web traffic, he "wasn't really sure, but prices do tend to go up and down." =20 To me, that seems a lot like a clothing store employee waiting for the customer to try on a pair of pants and then increasing the price once they show interest. =20 If this is in fact true, it's something of which everyone needs to be aware. I'm staying clear of those dirty dogs until I hear otherwise. =20= = Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get = Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob =20 = Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0......................................................=20 Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 http://www.optimusrob.com = _________________________________________________ On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:45 PM, Optimus Rob wrote: You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, it was $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99. =20= I wonder if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest being generated and upped the price. Or do they monitor their web traffic so well that a certain number of hits within a specific period of time constitutes a price jump? =20 Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price hikes for weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one for $59 for fun, but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't know, after reading about everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their EDP's, especially in addition to this odd price hike, I might just stay clear of Musicians Friend. =20 = Papyrus4645,6D6C,C6C5Get = Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob =20 = Papyrus4F4E,7B7A,E0DF......................................................=20 Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 http://www.optimusrob.com = _________________________________________________ On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote: Why do I see it as $99? Mark On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels =A0 They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. =A0 DM =A0 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels =A0 luis.....i am having great fun with the=A0 (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound machine.....:).....michael = --Apple-Mail-8--555285774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 21:20:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A1II505350; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:18:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:18:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407100059.i6A0x4s29106@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407100059.i6A0x4s29106@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:18:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Be really, really, really CAREFUL. A friend of mine had a Sony multieffects unit that needed a new battery. The old one was soldered to the board, and when the tech tried to unsolder it, it EXPLODED IN HIS FACE. Really. There's some way to do it safely, but putting that sort of heat near a battery is a RISKY maneuver. TravisH On Jul 9, 2004, at 5:59 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: ".David.Auker." > Date: July 9, 2004 1:05:48 PM PDT > To: > Subject: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement > > > My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a > mere > 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering > skills > that's going to look at it. > > Just wondering if any of you have had to do this...any success stories > (hopefully no failure stories!)? I've gotten a few tips from the > rec.music.makers.synth group, like be careful of the thin tin leads... > I > wish I could just clip the old out, clip the new in! > > Sorry for the OT, have a great day! > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 21:39:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A1Upo09881; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407100130.i6A1Uih09817@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:31:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C465FC.078FE010" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6D95A0B8-D20A-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRmF24PcTQuoUv6RjWoPXelOcsskQABb8iQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C465FC.078FE010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How amusing so like MF should indeed stand for M_____ F___er ;D _____ From: Optimus Rob [mailto:rasimon@indiana.edu] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, it was $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99. I wonder if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest being generated and upped the price. Or do they monitor their web traffic so well that a certain number of hits within a specific period of time constitutes a price jump? Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price hikes for weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one for $59 for fun, but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't know, after reading about everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their EDP's, especially in addition to this odd price hike, I might just stay clear of Musicians Friend. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote: Why do I see it as $99? Mark On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. DM From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels luis.....i am having great fun with the (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound machine.....:).....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C465FC.078FE010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How amusing so like MF should indeed stand for = M_____=20 F___er ;D

From: Optimus Rob = [mailto:rasimon@indiana.edu]=20
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:45 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: pedal=20 steels

You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, = it was=20 $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99.

I = wonder=20 if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest being = generated and=20 upped the price. Or do they monitor their web traffic so well that a = certain=20 number of hits within a specific period of time constitutes a price = jump?=20

Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price = hikes for=20 weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one for $59 = for fun,=20 but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't know, after reading = about=20 everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their EDP's, especially in addition = to this=20 odd price hike, I might just stay clear of Musicians Friend. =
Get=20 Optimized,
Rob=20
...........................................= ...........=20
Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your = mind...
"an=20 original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20
http://www.optimusrob.com
________________________________________= _________

On=20 Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote:

Why do I see it as $99?

Mark

On Jul 9, 2004, = at 2:37=20 PM, Don Makoviney wrote:

I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro = players=20 forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap=20 steels

 

They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. = What a=20 deal.

 

DM

 


From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July = 09, 2004=20 4:17 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = pedal=20 steels

 

luis.....i am having great fun with = the =20 (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, = i can't=20 remember which, from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great=20 introduction to the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress = the=20 bank account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft = case=20 that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound=20 = machine.....:).....michael


------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C465FC.078FE010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 21:44:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A1fYN14136; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c46620$90f79db0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <200407100059.i6A0x4s29106@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:52:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Be really, really, really CAREFUL. Yes, I've heard about that. We got the old battery out this afternoon, and I located and picked up a replacement ('Batteries Plus' in Beaverton, OR). They have a machine that spot-welds the required tabs (-+) on the battery (which just broke off in my hand, so I'm going back tomorrow...). The CR2032 adventure continues... It's going to be good getting re-acquainted with the SY77; the sequencer has a 'Pattern' function (but nothing as nifty-quick as Repeater, EDP...). It will be good looking at the keys of the synth again, not the circuit board. Something vastly more human and warm about the keys than a bunch o' wires. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: Re: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement > Be really, really, really CAREFUL. A friend of mine had a Sony > multieffects unit that needed a new battery. The old one was soldered > to the board, and when the tech tried to unsolder it, it EXPLODED IN > HIS FACE. Really. There's some way to do it safely, but putting that > sort of heat near a battery is a RISKY maneuver. > > TravisH > > > On Jul 9, 2004, at 5:59 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > From: ".David.Auker." > > Date: July 9, 2004 1:05:48 PM PDT > > To: > > Subject: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement > > > > > > My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a > > mere > > 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering > > skills > > that's going to look at it. > > > > Just wondering if any of you have had to do this...any success stories > > (hopefully no failure stories!)? I've gotten a few tips from the > > rec.music.makers.synth group, like be careful of the thin tin leads... > > I > > wish I could just clip the old out, clip the new in! > > > > Sorry for the OT, have a great day! > > > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 22:20:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A2HFJ29707; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <004d01c465f0$2195fa50$0200a8c0@audiows> References: <200407091939.i69Jdlh28341@hemlock.violacea.com> <004d01c465f0$2195fa50$0200a8c0@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C1EC98A-D217-11D8-AE37-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:17:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 9, 2004, at 3:05 PM, .David.Auker. wrote: > My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a > mere > 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering > skills I completely and totally resent Yamaha for their rude attitude towards battery placement and the service people who have to deal with them. (in fact, it seems like ALL Yamaha equipment is designed from the ground up to be as rude as possible to the user.) Roland uses battery holders ... much better. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 9 23:11:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A3AI008659; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200407090539.i695deh25404@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407090539.i695deh25404@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:09:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: OT: SDD 3000 Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine just sent out this note to another list I'm on. I have no idea how to help him out, but I thought some of you might be able to offer some expert guidance in some fashion or another. If so, please let me know (on or off list), and I will fwd any replies to him. Thanks a lot. Jeff At 10:44 PM -0400 7/9/04, Mick wrote: >Its a sad day. One of my beloved sdd-3000 has kicked the bucket. It >cant be repaired. I need a new eprom. If anyone knows where to get >one please let me know. Even a blank eprom where I could search out >a way to copy a sdd-3000 eprom to the blank one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 03:16:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6A7DlP07146; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <26BB8101-D20C-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> References: <1089409019.5938@mx64a.mysite4now.com> <6D95A0B8-D20A-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> <26BB8101-D20C-11D8-AC82-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <39EF73EC-D241-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:17:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6A7DWh07101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In this month's Wired there's a story about how in the next few years all retail items will have tiny chips embedded in them so now only will they know if you bought them (no need for check out, it will just debit your card as you leave) it will know if you've taken them off the shelf and considered them and picked something else to buy. What does that have to do with the MF price spike? Soon your groceries will automatically change their price depending on overall demand. Automatically. Welcome to the future. Mark On Jul 9, 2004, at 5:57 PM, Optimus Rob wrote: > Just called MF to inquire, and yes "prices can change without notice." > Upon asking if that's triggered by web traffic, he "wasn't really > sure, but prices do tend to go up and down." > > To me, that seems a lot like a clothing store employee waiting for the > customer to try on a pair of pants and then increasing the price once > they show interest. > > If this is in fact true, it's something of which everyone needs to be > aware. I'm staying clear of those dirty dogs until I hear otherwise. > Get Optimized, > Rob > ...................................................... > Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... > "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" > http://www.optimusrob.com > _________________________________________________ > > On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:45 PM, Optimus Rob wrote: > >> You're right -- that is odd -- two hours ago, when I checked, it was >> $59.99. I just checked again and like Mark said, it's $99.99. >> >> I wonder if someone from MF isn't on our list, noticed some interest >> being generated and upped the price. Or do they monitor their web >> traffic so well that a certain number of hits within a specific >> period of time constitutes a price jump? >> >> Might be a bit paranoid -- could just be end of the week price hikes >> for weekend shopping? Either way, that's strange. Almost bought one >> for $59 for fun, but $100 is a bit more of an investment. I don't >> know, after reading about everyone's ordeal with MF regarding their >> EDP's, especially in addition to this odd price hike, I might just >> stay clear of Musicians Friend. >> Get Optimized, >> Rob >> ...................................................... >> Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... >> "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" >> http://www.optimusrob.com >> _________________________________________________ >> >> On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:05 PM, msottilaro wrote: >> >>> Why do I see it as $99? >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: >>> >>>> I have one too. They get good reviews even in the pro players >>>> forums. A lot of pros use them as backup lap steels >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> They are $59 now at Musicians Friend. What a deal. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> DM >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:17 PM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: pedal steels >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> luis.....i am having great fun with the  (ARTISAN EA-1 electric lap >>>> steel guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember which, >>>> from MF.....it's not a pedal steel but it's a great introduction to >>>> the field of slide guitar that's not going to stress the bank >>>> account and it is totally easy to gig with, comes with a soft case >>>> that's about 1/3 the size of a guitar.....its a pretty wacky sound >>>> machine.....:).....michael >>> >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 06:48:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AAktB00438; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040710104637.14824.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <29.5bf03e3e.2e205745@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanx i will check it out! cheers Luis --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > luis.....i am having great fun with the (ARTISAN > EA-1 electric lap steel > guitar) that i got for $79 or $89, i can't remember > which, from MF.....it's not a > pedal steel but it's a great introduction to the > field of slide guitar that's > not going to stress the bank account and it is > totally easy to gig with, > comes with a soft case that's about 1/3 the size of > a guitar.....its a pretty > wacky sound machine.....:).....michael > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 07:03:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AB0xO03966; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:00:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040710110046.93592.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: pedal steels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <70B54E13-D1AD-11D8-94F9-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_JJ0_C.A.s9.jx87AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes but the interesting thing about steels compared to the lap steels is being able to alter the strings creating different chord shapes.But i also love the work of David Gilmour on his simple lap steel! Luis --- bruce tovsky wrote: > don't forget the lap steel. certainly a lot more > portable, > and many great sounds can be had from them. i also > use an acoustic hawaiian lap guitar for a lot of my > work, > and a cd is forthcoming from the swiss label "cut" > which > is a live performance with myself on bowed, looped > and > grm-tooled lap guitar and john hudak on really long > looped electric. couldn't resist the plug, sorry. > cheers > bruce > > On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 09:34 AM, L. Angulo > wrote: > > > well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 > > dlls. looks like that now;-) > > L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jens Wolters wrote: > >> check this out: > >> The affordable version ;) > >> > >> > > > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html > >> > >> Now the strings are high enough and have a wider > >> spacing to play pedal > >> steel. > >> Well sort of ;) > >> > >> Greetings Jens. > >> > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 09:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ADXgT24679; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:33:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:33:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:33:22 -0400 Subject: Re: pedal steels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040710110046.93592.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, being a hard-core lap steel/lap guitar player - never played a pedal steel - there's a cool trick that's really easy: if you hold your steel with your thumb and index-middle finger, it leaves your ring finger free to grab a string and bend it behind the bar. you can do a very passable single string bend that way. best bruce On Saturday, July 10, 2004, at 07:00 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > Yes but the interesting thing about steels compared to > the lap steels is being able to alter the strings > creating different chord shapes.But i also love the > work of David Gilmour on his simple lap steel! > Luis > > > > --- bruce tovsky wrote: >> don't forget the lap steel. certainly a lot more >> portable, >> and many great sounds can be had from them. i also >> use an acoustic hawaiian lap guitar for a lot of my >> work, >> and a cd is forthcoming from the swiss label "cut" >> which >> is a live performance with myself on bowed, looped >> and >> grm-tooled lap guitar and john hudak on really long >> looped electric. couldn't resist the plug, sorry. >> cheers >> bruce >> >> On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 09:34 AM, L. Angulo >> wrote: >> >>> well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 >>> dlls. looks like that now;-) >>> L.a >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Jens Wolters wrote: >>>> check this out: >>>> The affordable version ;) >>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html >>>> >>>> Now the strings are high enough and have a wider >>>> spacing to play pedal >>>> steel. >>>> Well sort of ;) >>>> >>>> Greetings Jens. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 14:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AINo723221; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:23:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:23:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:23:26 -0600 Message-ID: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C46678.B440C9B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <-jkHw.A.QoF.iQD8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C46678.B440C9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I think I've read most of the EDP manual, despite my 5% retention rate. I one question for the EDP gurus in the list. Is there a way to emulate the Boomerang's A/B feature, creating one loop, a second, and then switching back and forth? Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C46678.B440C9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP

Well, I think I've read most of the = EDP manual, despite my 5% retention rate. I one question for the EDP = gurus in the list.

Is there a way to emulate the = Boomerang's A/B feature, creating one loop, a second, and then switching = back and forth?

Kris
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Kris Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com


------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C46678.B440C9B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 14:32:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AIUQp26395; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:32:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C466BD.10143B70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C466BD.10143B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A/B Loop Capabilit of EDPYes, only that it's 16 loops ;-) Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Samstag, 10. Juli 2004 20:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Well, I think I've read most of the EDP manual, despite my 5% retention rate. I one question for the EDP gurus in the list. Is there a way to emulate the Boomerang's A/B feature, creating one loop, a second, and then switching back and forth? Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C466BD.10143B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP
Yes,=20 only that it's 16 loops ;-)
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Samstag, 10. Juli = 2004=20 20:23
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: A/B=20 Loop Capabilit of EDP

Well, I think I've read most of the = EDP manual,=20 despite my 5% retention rate. I one question for the EDP gurus in the=20 list.

Is there a way to emulate the = Boomerang's A/B=20 feature, creating one loop, a second, and then switching back and=20 forth?

Kris
*********************************
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http://www.krispenhartung.com
http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com=20


------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C466BD.10143B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 14:55:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AIoOD32175; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c466ae$bc0df330$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:50:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C46674.0E365DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C46674.0E365DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP... with random access between each of them! Go = from 9 to 5 to 2 to 11 .... I have my dual Echoplexes hooked up in stereo now. So far so good! What = a difference it makes having them in stereo with my stereo effects. = Plus, with a couple of strips of black electric tape, and I now have a = non-Gibson Echoplex! :-) - Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bernhard Wagner=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Yes, only that it's 16 loops ;-) Bernhard ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C46674.0E365DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP
... with random access between each of = them! Go=20 from 9 to 5 to 2 to 11 ....
 
I have my dual Echoplexes hooked up in = stereo now.=20 So far so good! What a difference it makes having them in stereo with my = stereo=20 effects. Plus, with a couple of strips of black electric tape, and I now = have a=20 non-Gibson Echoplex! :-)
 
- Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bernhard Wagner
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Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 = 11:32=20 AM
Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capabilit = of=20 EDP

Yes,=20 only that it's 16 loops ;-)
Bernhard
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C46674.0E365DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 14:55:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AIqCW32609; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capability of EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:51:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcRmrGW1FrxjPGUITTu3JBOnCKrfdwAAcceg Message-Id: <20040710185157.RFCK909.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So you can switch between any number of loops, up to 16 . . . Using MIDI, you can go between any two--but using NextLoop on the face (and pedal) you have to scroll thru them. I am happy to hear of users getting their new EDPs--let's keep it that way... I for one will be in the market for another as soon as supplies stabilize--wonder when Andy will get orders for another production run-- Gary From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capability of EDP Yes, only that it's 16 loops ;-) Bernhard -----Original Message--- Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Samstag, 10. Juli 2004 20:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A/B Loop Capability of EDP Well, I think I've read most of the EDP manual, despite my 5% retention rate. I one question for the EDP gurus in the list. Is there a way to emulate the Boomerang's A/B feature, creating one loop, a second, and then switching back and forth? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 15:05:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AJ2jv03048; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c466b0$76ce10f0$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040710185157.RFCK909.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: A/B Loop Capability of EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:02:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-y48SB.A.pu.L1D8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So you can switch between any number of loops, up to 16 . . . > Using MIDI, you can go between any two--but using NextLoop on the face (and > pedal) you have to scroll thru them. You can have random access to any loop (effectively) by hitting NextLoop multiple times before the end of the cycle (if you're quantized, I think). It will tell you what loop number you're on and whatever one it's on when the cycle ends will be the loop that is played next. I'm not sure if there is a MIDI control to go directly to a specific loop. Seems like there should be considering how many other powerful MIDI functions there are. > I am happy to hear of users getting their new EDPs--let's keep it that > way... Yeah! > I for one will be in the market for another as soon as supplies > stabilize--wonder when Andy will get orders for another production run-- I think they still have 150 of them in their warehouse! ( or was it 100 ) Only 100 ( or was it 150? ) were shipped with the latest batch. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 15:14:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AJBXL04016; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:11:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:11:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: FS: Tascam Porta One 4 track $20... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:21 PM -0700 7/9/04, Legion wrote: >I found my old 4track last week in a box...the unit is cool as hell >in features. I have one of these, and I agree that it's pretty nifty for a cheap old 4-track cassette deck. I bought one back in 1985, intending to use it as it was designed to be used - as a 4-track recorder with sync overdub capability. I soon found that it was even more fun as part of a playback system for soundscapes. The principal advantage of the Porta One is that it operates at the same speed as a normal cassette deck (higher-end Portastudios ran at double speed). That obviously means that it can be used to play back tapes recorded on other decks, and because it is a 4-track this also means you can play back both the Side A and the Side B tracks. Side B will be backwards! My typical setup was to use the Porta One in combination with one or two regular cassette decks and one or two CD players, and in later years in combination with a couple of Eventides and a Mackie 1604. I set the system up so that I could feed any of the sound sources into the Eventides without the direct signal going into the mix, thereby having a wide range of "recognizability" due to having straight playback, backwards playback, and playback with heavy processing. My source material consisted of anything I had accumulated during my cassette years: punk/new wave, world music, classical, 20th century avant garde, spoken word, etc. I also had a few 4-track loop cassettes of spoken word and sound effects. The only potential downside is that the Porta One uses dbx noise reduction, whereas most regular cassette decks use Dolby. I'd just turn the noise reduction off, figuring that amid the sonic mayhem it wouldn't make any difference. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 16:37:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AKXpp14005; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c466be$a0a1e380$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents 'still coiled' with Mark Korven Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:43:59 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 13th - 'still coiled' with Mark Korven brilliantfish and partner in noiz Jim Field (spacenoiz / Rhea's Obsession) are making sounds again as 'still coiled' for a glorious night at the Ping! This one is extra special, as 'still coiled' will be joined by multi-instrumentalist and film composer superb Mark Korven. Mark will be playing an array of beautiful instruments including sarangi, waterphone, chamber flute and more. This is going to be a unique night of music. Kevlar of RedJet Media (just back from China) will once again be gracing the stage with his gorgeous visuals. 'still coiled' and 'spacenoiz' CDs will be available at the show. still coiled - http://brilliantfish.com/pages/stillcoiled.html brilliantfish - http://www.brilliantfish.com Jim Field - http://www.geocities.com/russian_rheas/ Mark Korven at http://www.markkorven.com Between Sets CD - "Continental Divide" by Colin Rayment Symphonic electronic compositions with an ambient streak from "drifting soundscapes to uptempo electronic excursions". http://www.rayments.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 20th - Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "The Equatorial Stars" by Fripp & Eno http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cgi-bin/shoplink.cgi?id=664 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Colin Rayment's release "Continental Divide" is a fantastic release exploring a wide selection of electronic environments. Lush pads sweep through the soundscape. Cold, dark drones pass by like tides. Delicate melodies sparkle like the twinkling of stars. Tones fade and blend, taking new shapes and forms with every passing moment. Drawing on a classic Sunday morning chill sound, "Continental Divide" is an aural treasure, filled with wonders and delights well suited for both active and passive listening. Highly recommended for fans of melodic ambient. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 16:52:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AKjHF15472; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:45:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels/ lap steels Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <70B54E13-D1AD-11D8-94F9-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been playing lap steel in a variety of tunings for many years, and I too employ the faux pedal steel technique of reaching behind the bar and pulling a string sharp, that Bruce mentioned. Its pretty difficult if you use heavy gauge strings like I prefer, so you might try this technique with a slightly lighter set, to begin with. Another cool technique that achieves similar results involves diagonal bar placement to create suspensions. Bob Brozman is a master at this. Try it on adjacent strings (like the 1st and second, or the 2nd and 3rd string in a DGDGBD,OR DGDGBbD tuning). The great thing about the lap steel is you can get started so cheaply. Another cool moderately priced one is the Chandler, however, be wise and pay more for the humbucking pickup model, as the single model sounded a bit shrill and noisy, particularly for the signal processing freaks amongst us that deal with accumulated signal path and gain stage noise. A Few years ago I bought a chambered body lap steel made by Bill Asher, a Ben Harper Model. These are expensive these days and I got it relatively cheap, but this is an amazing sounding guitar for the serious player who perhaps has owned good vintage laps (Ricky, National, Fender) but found them to unreliable and finicky for live playing. Like every instrument I own, I had to sell some other instrument to be able to afford it. hey Kim, is this off topic enough for you? he he Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 17:13:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AL5O819736; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:05:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407102105.i6AL57h19688@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE:Steel/ pedal steels/ lap steels Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRmv41hbAwcvkS0S1S22xXo916QgAAAN72Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man I have learned a ton what a blast I have been doing C6/A7 tuning on my SG (naturally not the right string guages) this would be a very cool looping instrument be Lap, Console, Pedal or not. I have a real hankering for an eight string console at this point (want those bass notes) When you think about it how nescessary are those pedals after all didn't the old Texas guys like Herb Reminton get by without the pedals and they got a lot out of those consoles too. Just for fun heres a link I stumbled across in my travels http://www.hsga.org/membersrecordings/MembersRecordings.htm lots of Hawaiian Lap and Console Steel -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pedal steels/ lap steels I have been playing lap steel in a variety of tunings for many years, and I too employ the faux pedal steel technique of reaching behind the bar and pulling a string sharp, that Bruce mentioned. Its pretty difficult if you use heavy gauge strings like I prefer, so you might try this technique with a slightly lighter set, to begin with. Another cool technique that achieves similar results involves diagonal bar placement to create suspensions. Bob Brozman is a master at this. Try it on adjacent strings (like the 1st and second, or the 2nd and 3rd string in a DGDGBD,OR DGDGBbD tuning). The great thing about the lap steel is you can get started so cheaply. Another cool moderately priced one is the Chandler, however, be wise and pay more for the humbucking pickup model, as the single model sounded a bit shrill and noisy, particularly for the signal processing freaks amongst us that deal with accumulated signal path and gain stage noise. A Few years ago I bought a chambered body lap steel made by Bill Asher, a Ben Harper Model. These are expensive these days and I got it relatively cheap, but this is an amazing sounding guitar for the serious player who perhaps has owned good vintage laps (Ricky, National, Fender) but found them to unreliable and finicky for live playing. Like every instrument I own, I had to sell some other instrument to be able to afford it. hey Kim, is this off topic enough for you? he he Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 17:45:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ALhsu24131; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:43:36 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01c466c6$f4ae7c10$6701a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C46694.AA140C10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <01C466C2.0AAB3EE0@dyn-83-155-2-133.ppp.tiscali.fr> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C46694.AA140C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, everyone! A/B functionality is easy now. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: F Lebrun [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:08 PM > To: 'info@krispenhartung.com' > Subject: RE: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP >=20 >=20 > Hi Krispen, I am not sure the replies you got on the list > were helpful to you. If they were, just discard my message. >=20 > If you set up your EDP so that it has two loops, (see MoreLoops page > 4-32) > then you can use Next Loop to switch from A to B and so on. >=20 > Hope that helps >=20 > Francois > check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Krispen Hartung [SMTP:info@krispenhartung.com] > Date: samedi 10 juillet 2004 20:23 > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP >=20 > Well, I think I've read most of the EDP manual, despite my 5% > retention > rate. I one question for the EDP gurus in the list. >=20 > Is there a way to emulate the Boomerang's A/B feature, creating > one > loop, a second, and then switching back and forth? >=20 > Kris > *********************************=20 > Kris Hartung=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 > http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung=20 > info@krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 > << Fichier: ATT00004.htm>> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C46694.AA140C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP

Thanks, everyone!  A/B functionality is easy = now. 

     -----Original Message-----
    From: =   F Lebrun = [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]
    Sent:   Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:08 PM
    To:     'info@krispenhartung.com'
    Subject:       = RE: A/B Loop Capabilit of = EDP


    Hi = Krispen, I am not sure the replies you got on the list
    were helpful to you. If they were, just discard my = message.

    If = you set up your EDP so that it has two loops, (see MoreLoops page = 4-32)
    then you can use Next Loop to switch from A to B and so = on.

    Hope that helps

    Francois
            check my first CD on     http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times

      -----Message = d'origine-----
      De:     Krispen Hartung = [SMTP:info@krispenhartung.com]
      Date:   samedi 10 juillet 2004 20:23
      =C0:      Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
      Objet:  A/B = Loop Capabilit of EDP

      Well, I think I've = read most of the EDP manual, despite my 5% retention
      rate. I one question = for the EDP gurus in the list.

      Is there a way to = emulate the Boomerang's A/B feature, creating one
      loop, a second, and = then switching back and forth?

      Kris
      *********************************
      Kris Hartung =
      http://www.krispenhartung.com
      http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung<= /A>
      info@krispenhartung.com


      << Fichier: = ATT00004.htm>>

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C46694.AA140C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 18:54:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AMpqO02424; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:44:47 +0200 (MEST) From: "Stephen Parsick" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: pedal steels X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4xXvO.A.Nl.3LH8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... any recommendations as far as stompboxes are concerned for this kind of application? stephen. > well, being a hard-core lap steel/lap guitar player - > never played a pedal steel - there's a cool trick that's > really easy: if you hold your steel with your thumb and > index-middle finger, it leaves your ring finger free to > grab a string and bend it behind the bar. you can do > a very passable single string bend that way. > best > bruce > > On Saturday, July 10, 2004, at 07:00 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Yes but the interesting thing about steels compared to > > the lap steels is being able to alter the strings > > creating different chord shapes.But i also love the > > work of David Gilmour on his simple lap steel! > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- bruce tovsky wrote: > >> don't forget the lap steel. certainly a lot more > >> portable, > >> and many great sounds can be had from them. i also > >> use an acoustic hawaiian lap guitar for a lot of my > >> work, > >> and a cd is forthcoming from the swiss label "cut" > >> which > >> is a live performance with myself on bowed, looped > >> and > >> grm-tooled lap guitar and john hudak on really long > >> looped electric. couldn't resist the plug, sorry. > >> cheers > >> bruce > >> > >> On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 09:34 AM, L. Angulo > >> wrote: > >> > >>> well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 > >>> dlls. looks like that now;-) > >>> L.a > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Jens Wolters wrote: > >>>> check this out: > >>>> The affordable version ;) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html > >>>> > >>>> Now the strings are high enough and have a wider > >>>> spacing to play pedal > >>>> steel. > >>>> Well sort of ;) > >>>> > >>>> Greetings Jens. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> bruce tovsky > >> www.skeletonhome.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > -- "Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) "Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.nodular.de Coming soon: www.doombient.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 18:59:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AMvav03558; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:57:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: streaming live shows Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:58:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c466d1$67f4a1e0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently negotiating with a place regarding a possible looping live show. This place has a DSL internet access (don't have information about bandwith yet). I'd like to ask you whether any of you has experience with streaming live shows on the internet. From what I understand, you basically need two things (technically): a) a stream source, which encodes the received audio (e.g. from an audio input on the computer) and sends it out to a server. Bandwith requirement: what it takes to transmit the stream. Example: SimpleCast b) a stream server, which receives the audio stream from the source (a) and sends it to the audients. Bandwith requirement: the stream times the audients. Example Icecast. c) possible relay servers, which take a stream from a server (b) and send it out to the audients. Specifically, I'd like to know whether you know of any affordable (read: free si possible :-) services doing the (b) part? Also, any hints regarding the software for (a) would be appreciated (windows platform). Thanks, Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 19:13:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6AN6Qr06663; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:06:27 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen Parsick wrote: >while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff >robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? >how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal >steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid >question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... > He bows the string with the slide. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 19:40:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ANb0110827; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:37:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: streaming live shows Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:36:50 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c466d6$c68f96b0$6701a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000a01c466d1$67f4a1e0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Software, bandwidth, and infrastructure appear to be the key. See what www.TeVeo.com has to offer. I have an Intel PC camera and some video broadcasting software that came with the camera, is allowing me to stream for free to TeVeo's server. Between now and the time I received your email, I installed the software and I'm streaming live to this web site: http://192.168.1.103/guest.htm I just pointed the camera at my TV. Let me know how bad it is...time lag, that is. There is no sound on this one. I'd play guitar for you, but I have to jump in the shower to make it to a party. I'll be back in 15 min.... Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:58 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: streaming live shows I'm currently negotiating with a place regarding a possible looping live show. This place has a DSL internet access (don't have information about bandwith yet). I'd like to ask you whether any of you has experience with streaming live shows on the internet. From what I understand, you basically need two things (technically): a) a stream source, which encodes the received audio (e.g. from an audio input on the computer) and sends it out to a server. Bandwith requirement: what it takes to transmit the stream. Example: SimpleCast b) a stream server, which receives the audio stream from the source (a) and sends it to the audients. Bandwith requirement: the stream times the audients. Example Icecast. c) possible relay servers, which take a stream from a server (b) and send it out to the audients. Specifically, I'd like to know whether you know of any affordable (read: free si possible :-) services doing the (b) part? Also, any hints regarding the software for (a) would be appreciated (windows platform). Thanks, Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 19:55:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ANp5312177; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: , Subject: RE: streaming live shows Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:51:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c466d8$dd9d7730$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002801c466d6$c68f96b0$6701a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I cannot connect to 192.168.1.103, probably because this address space is reserved for local networks (i.e. when you setup your home network). Is this the address the TeVeo site gave you, or the address of your computer at home. If the latter, I'd need your public IP... Thanks, Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 11. Juli 2004 01:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: streaming live shows > > > Software, bandwidth, and infrastructure appear to be the key. See what > www.TeVeo.com has to offer. I have an Intel PC camera and some video > broadcasting software that came with the camera, is allowing me to > stream for free to TeVeo's server. Between now and the time I received > your email, I installed the software and I'm streaming live > to this web > site: > > http://192.168.1.103/guest.htm > > I just pointed the camera at my TV. Let me know how bad it is...time > lag, that is. There is no sound on this one. I'd play guitar for you, > but I have to jump in the shower to make it to a party. I'll > be back in > 15 min.... > > Kris > > ********************************* > Kris Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:58 PM > To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: streaming live shows > > > I'm currently negotiating with a place regarding a possible > looping live > show. This place has a DSL internet access (don't have > information about > bandwith yet). > > I'd like to ask you whether any of you has experience with streaming > live shows on the internet. From what I understand, you basically need > two things > (technically): > > a) a stream source, which encodes the received audio (e.g. > from an audio > input on the computer) and sends it out to a server. Bandwith > requirement: what it takes to transmit the stream. Example: SimpleCast > b) a stream server, which receives the audio stream from the > source (a) > and sends it to the audients. Bandwith requirement: the > stream times the > audients. Example Icecast. > c) possible relay servers, which take a stream from a server (b) and > send it out to the audients. > > Specifically, I'd like to know whether you know of any > affordable (read: > free si possible :-) services doing the (b) part? Also, any hints > regarding the software for (a) would be appreciated (windows > platform). > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 19:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ANs0K12499; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:04:07 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Stephen Parsick wrote: > > >while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff > >robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? > >how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal > >steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid > >question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... > > > He bows the string with the slide. > -- > * David Beardsley I believe he also sometimes uses an e-bow and definitely a Line 6 Delay. There's several photos of Robert playing steel on this page - in case you can glean any more hints. http://www.theambientping.com/robert_rich_070402.html Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 20:19:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6B0DI516303; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F0861D.9090302@biink.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:13:17 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott M2 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> In-Reply-To: <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott M2 wrote: >>Stephen Parsick wrote: >> >> >> >>>while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff >>>robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? >>>how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal >>>steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid >>>question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... >>> >>> >>> >>He bows the string with the slide. >>-- >>* David Beardsley >> >> > >I believe he also sometimes uses an e-bow and definitely >a Line 6 Delay. There's several photos of Robert playing >steel on this page - in case you can glean any more hints. >http://www.theambientping.com/robert_rich_070402.html > You see how his left hand is muting the strings while he rubs the slide back and forth across the high string? It's called glissando guitar and he told me he picked the technique from Daveid Allen of Gong. Steve Hillage uses this too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 20:32:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6B0RaQ18413; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040710173117.042c5800@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:35:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A/B Loop Capability of EDP In-Reply-To: <000401c466b0$76ce10f0$6601a8c0@watercooled> References: <20040710185157.RFCK909.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> <000401c466b0$76ce10f0$6601a8c0@watercooled> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:02 PM 7/10/2004, David J. Grossman wrote: > > So you can switch between any number of loops, up to 16 . . . > > Using MIDI, you can go between any two--but using NextLoop on the face (and > > pedal) you have to scroll thru them. > >You can have random access to any loop (effectively) by hitting NextLoop >multiple times before the end of the cycle (if you're quantized, I think). >It will tell you what loop number you're on and whatever one it's on when >the cycle ends will be the loop that is played next. that's right. You just need one of the various types of SwitchQuantize on. >I'm not sure if there >is a MIDI control to go directly to a specific loop. Seems like there should >be considering how many other powerful MIDI functions there are. yes, you can switch to any loop using MIDI. That is the LoopTriggering function. The loops play in various ways depending on the SamplerStyle setting - play from the start and keep going, play from the start once, play from wherever the loop was left, or play for as long as the Note is held down. You can also turn on Velocity sensitivity so the volume of the loop is controlled by how hard you hit the MIDI note. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 22:00:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6B1wq232534; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:58:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <07Jtt.A.67H.T7J8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've seen Robert Randolph only on TV and in addition to a ton of overdrive, he seemed to be using a wah pedal as well to create those vocal sounds. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Parsick [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... any recommendations as far as stompboxes are concerned for this kind of application? stephen. > well, being a hard-core lap steel/lap guitar player - > never played a pedal steel - there's a cool trick that's > really easy: if you hold your steel with your thumb and > index-middle finger, it leaves your ring finger free to > grab a string and bend it behind the bar. you can do > a very passable single string bend that way. > best > bruce > > On Saturday, July 10, 2004, at 07:00 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Yes but the interesting thing about steels compared to > > the lap steels is being able to alter the strings > > creating different chord shapes.But i also love the > > work of David Gilmour on his simple lap steel! > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- bruce tovsky wrote: > >> don't forget the lap steel. certainly a lot more > >> portable, > >> and many great sounds can be had from them. i also > >> use an acoustic hawaiian lap guitar for a lot of my > >> work, > >> and a cd is forthcoming from the swiss label "cut" > >> which > >> is a live performance with myself on bowed, looped > >> and > >> grm-tooled lap guitar and john hudak on really long > >> looped electric. couldn't resist the plug, sorry. > >> cheers > >> bruce > >> > >> On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 09:34 AM, L. Angulo > >> wrote: > >> > >>> well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 > >>> dlls. looks like that now;-) > >>> L.a > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Jens Wolters wrote: > >>>> check this out: > >>>> The affordable version ;) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html > >>>> > >>>> Now the strings are high enough and have a wider > >>>> spacing to play pedal > >>>> steel. > >>>> Well sort of ;) > >>>> > >>>> Greetings Jens. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> bruce tovsky > >> www.skeletonhome.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > -- "Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) "Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.nodular.de Coming soon: www.doombient.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 10 22:02:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6B20dS01663; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:00:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: pedal steels Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:00:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_4rxrB.A.nZ.88J8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, brain freeze, I thought you asked about Robert randolph, nat Robert Rich. My bad. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Parsick [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal steels while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... any recommendations as far as stompboxes are concerned for this kind of application? stephen. > well, being a hard-core lap steel/lap guitar player - > never played a pedal steel - there's a cool trick that's > really easy: if you hold your steel with your thumb and > index-middle finger, it leaves your ring finger free to > grab a string and bend it behind the bar. you can do > a very passable single string bend that way. > best > bruce > > On Saturday, July 10, 2004, at 07:00 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Yes but the interesting thing about steels compared to > > the lap steels is being able to alter the strings > > creating different chord shapes.But i also love the > > work of David Gilmour on his simple lap steel! > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- bruce tovsky wrote: > >> don't forget the lap steel. certainly a lot more > >> portable, > >> and many great sounds can be had from them. i also > >> use an acoustic hawaiian lap guitar for a lot of my > >> work, > >> and a cd is forthcoming from the swiss label "cut" > >> which > >> is a live performance with myself on bowed, looped > >> and > >> grm-tooled lap guitar and john hudak on really long > >> looped electric. couldn't resist the plug, sorry. > >> cheers > >> bruce > >> > >> On Friday, July 9, 2004, at 09:34 AM, L. Angulo > >> wrote: > >> > >>> well my first guitar 20 years ago which cost me 10 > >>> dlls. looks like that now;-) > >>> L.a > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Jens Wolters wrote: > >>>> check this out: > >>>> The affordable version ;) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/Weiteres_Gitarren-Zubehoer.html > >>>> > >>>> Now the strings are high enough and have a wider > >>>> spacing to play pedal > >>>> steel. > >>>> Well sort of ;) > >>>> > >>>> Greetings Jens. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> bruce tovsky > >> www.skeletonhome.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > -- "Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) "Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.nodular.de Coming soon: www.doombient.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 10:26:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BEH6F22488; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> References: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Buying CDs with PayPal? Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:16:39 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, Can someone recommend a web store where I can buy CD's for my PayPal cash? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 11:27:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BFOYV03437; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:24:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:24:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <8cUFGD.A.Sy.TuV8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Per Boysen wrote: > Can someone recommend a web store where I can buy CD's for my PayPal > cash? All the best, Per Boysen Well if you want Looping or Experimental Music CDs (and some indie rock as well) try: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm Looper Delight CD#1 still available! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 11:34:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BFVl705660; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c4675d$9a14f260$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:41:58 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1zAXDD.A.nXB.X1V8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, > > Can someone recommend a web store where I can buy CD's for my PayPal > cash? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com In the ambient realm there's: ping things http://www.pingthings.com lots of Aidan Baker's works there and Anomalous Disturbances and AtmoWorks http://www.atmoworks.com Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 12:14:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BGBp918152; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040711122229.0247d8b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:22:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? In-Reply-To: References: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, My favorite online record store takes PayPal: http://www.cdconnection.com/ Paypal's site mentions these shops among many others in the Media and Entertainment category: http://www.cdbaby.com/home indie artists direct http://www.cduniverse.com/ Have fun, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 12:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BGRI823236; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Steel/ pedal steels/ lap steels Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:26:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c46763$c938e9b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200407102105.i6AL57h19688@hemlock.violacea.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <8TQjL.A.gpF.OpW8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just for fun heres a link I stumbled across in my travels http://www.hsga.org/membersrecordings/MembersRecordings.htm lots of Hawaiian Lap and Console Steel Alan, Thanks so much for the above link. This music makes me swoon! I downloaded them all, burnt a CD, popped it in the stereo, and had a chilled out evening with my better half. I almost pictured myself, ordering a vodka martini (shaken not stirred) at a bar on the beach on an exotic island, the steel guitarist and his band grooving nearby, tiki torces alight...warm glow...a cool breeze and gentle waves adding a soft Doppler effect to the music. But I have more important things at hand. I feel the Walther PPK, snug against my side. I know someone is going to lose their.... (daydream sequence ends) "honey, what are you thinking about? Man, you love this corny stuff don't you?" seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 13:14:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BH69j00504; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040711100358.01864fe0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:05:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040711122229.0247d8b0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> <002401c466aa$fedb39b0$6701a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Second that recommendation - I remember using CD Connection in the days when you had to telnet in, before the web took off. At 09:22 AM 2004.07.11, nick douglas wrote: >Per, >My favorite online record store takes PayPal: > http://www.cdconnection.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 14:53:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BIiVH16834; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:44:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407111844.i6BIiFh16739@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Steel/ pedal steels/ lap steels Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:44:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c46763$c938e9b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRnZN+ohjN6G7ScRj2VHJuRiELI5wAEfhEA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I am glad someone got a little enjoyment out of it(I did) now lets see who samples it up and turns it into Hula Glitch music ;D -----Original Message----- From: the toy room [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Steel/ pedal steels/ lap steels Just for fun heres a link I stumbled across in my travels http://www.hsga.org/membersrecordings/MembersRecordings.htm lots of Hawaiian Lap and Console Steel Alan, Thanks so much for the above link. This music makes me swoon! I downloaded them all, burnt a CD, popped it in the stereo, and had a chilled out evening with my better half. I almost pictured myself, ordering a vodka martini (shaken not stirred) at a bar on the beach on an exotic island, the steel guitarist and his band grooving nearby, tiki torces alight...warm glow...a cool breeze and gentle waves adding a soft Doppler effect to the music. But I have more important things at hand. I feel the Walther PPK, snug against my side. I know someone is going to lose their.... (daydream sequence ends) "honey, what are you thinking about? Man, you love this corny stuff don't you?" seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 14:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BItDO20510; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:55:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few shows at the old standbys this week. Acoustic guitar Live Looping galore: Tuesday, July 13, 8PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Friday, July 16, 8:30PM Starbucks (1600 E. Olive Way) Saturday, July 17, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 14:58:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BIsbh20272; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407111854.i6BIsOh20190@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Steel: Even greater GAS pains ;D Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:54:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c46763$c938e9b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRnZN+ohjN6G7ScRj2VHJuRiELI5wAEvfQg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talk about trick man a a really techies delight the link is to a prototype pedal model http://www.harmosmusic.com/news04sound.htm most of there stuff is Non Pedal Lap or Console with an optional Console setup. I'm Droolin but I ain't layin out the cash right now (still looking at cheapies) :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 15:08:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BJ6kE24456; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:06:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:06:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01c466ae$bc0df330$6601a8c0@watercooled> References: <000c01c466ae$bc0df330$6601a8c0@watercooled> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:13:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: A/B Loop Capabilit of EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...Plus, with a couple of strips of black electric tape, and I now >have a non-Gibson Echoplex! :-) interesting... maybe we should sell cream color tape, Kim? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 17:20:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BLHXI20311; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040705111743.04c96578@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040705111743.04c96578@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FCB877C-D37F-11D8-B848-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Metzler Subject: Re: EDP Stopped taking MIDI commands. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:16:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <-4EX9B.A.g8E.I5a8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I figured it out! I'll spare you the boring troubleshooting notes. The problem was that the new Loop IV chips needed to be pushed in a little more. I was being to gentle. I have noticed that that front panel lights that are displayed after turning on the units, will differ depending on how the parameters are set. Is there a "decoder ring" somewhere that will allow me to have an idea how the parameters are set just by looking at the front panel lights? On Jul 5, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 05:54 PM 7/3/2004, John Metzler wrote: >> I have 2 EDP's being controlled with MIDI by an MPC 1000. I have 1 >> EDP receiving on Ch.1 sent from track one of a sequence and the other >> EDP on Ch.2 receiving it's messages from track 2 of the sequence. >> Yesterday everything worked fine. I didn't change anything, even >> after tripple checking it all seems to be where it should be. But >> now EDP 2 doesn't see any in coming messages but still syncs to Beat >> Clock. > > when you say "Beat Clock" I assume you mean MIDI clock? > > If it can receive MIDI clock, then it is receiving MIDI fine. The > problem isn't the Echoplex, it must be something else in your setup. > Are all the MIDI parameters in the Echoplex set as you expect? To me > it sounds like the MIDI channel is wrong. Or maybe you changed the > ControlSource or Source# parameters by accident. > >> Does this sound like a broken EDP? > > no, doesn't sound like it. If it were broken no MIDI would be received. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 11 19:06:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6BN2if09627; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D7A6A12-D38E-11D8-82B9-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Cc: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: hows Live 4? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:02:21 +0200 To: Matthias Grob X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6BN2Rh09522 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-11, at 19.32, Matthias Grob wrote: > Hey, Per! > > maybe you will tell the list anyway... we wonder whether its better > loopabale now! > are you fine? > I am at mom... > > kiss > Matthias > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Hi Matithias, Good to hear you're at mom's now. Guess you're getting a good cake refill then ;-) Ok, I'll send over a short take on the loopabilities of Live 4 and I hope you don'Øt mind if I forward it to the list as well. I'm spending a lot of time with the Live 4 beta version for three reasons; helping Ableton with the beta testing and doing what I can to make the software better for live-looping, preparing a review of Live 4 in a Swedish Computer Music Studio Magazine and finally preparing a gig at a Swedish festival, http://www.norbergfestival.com Well the short answer is that Live 4 is a little better than Live 3 for looping, but only if you adapt to its limitations and to take advantage of it's special abilities. The biggest limitation is that there is no way to do overdub looping. But this is not a limitation for all musicians, only those who want to make music that evolves seamlessly, endlessly... In Live you record a loop and then it sits in a slot to repeat itself until you turn it off. And on the other hand, if you are into music that relies on steady repeating loops you will find Live a very good looper. There are practically no limit to how many loops you can have spinning at the same time. All of different lengths if you want. Even very long recordings, like an hour or so, can be played back while are looping. Tempo can be changed, "elastic audio" will adapt. You can also change the pitch of individual loops, but not by external midi (a big bummer). Another area where Live is excellent is to replace a mixer, a patch bay and an effect rack. Remember that you advised me to look for "a midi controllable mixer" when we were playing together last year? Well, Live 4 IS that mixer now. Thanks for the tip ;-) New in Live 4 are almost endless possibilities to rout audio and midi streams. The looping set-up I have now assembled is a Powerbook with Live 4, an EDP, an AKAI MFC42 analog filter, a Lexicon LXP-5 reverb, an Evolution UC-33 midi controller/mixer and a Behringer FCB1010 foot midi controller. The computer also has an external firewire 800 hard drive and a RME Multiface 8/8 +digital soundcard/break-out box. I devoted a couple of days to see if it was possible to loop with only software and I found this to work quite ok. I could actually play a gig with just laptop, FCB and my instruments. Then I'm using a software plugin for overdub looping, the Lexicon PSP42. This is just like looping with delay units and feedback pedal (the Polish plug-in emulates the legendary Lexicon well). In Live 4 I can set up the PSP42 on one track for looping (controlled by FCB1010) and then route the output of that track to another track that I have set up to record up to 9 loops in one go. 9 was choosed because I have instant access to nine foot pads on the FCB. Each FCB pad is addressing one slot on a Live track. The last pad, the tenth, addresses "record enable" of that track. The reason I'm not recording on the input track is that I'm using it for monitoring of my instrument, to add Live's effects to my instrument sound (delay, reverb etc). This is delicate because with the buffer I'm using for the Powerbook hardware I'm getting a 12 ms latency of the input signal. I'm blending that 12 ms late signal with the direct hardware monitoring signal of the RME, going right out into the PA with no latency. The blending of those two signals is a delicate quest, to avoid phasing. But it's definitely possible. I'll post recordings later on. Well, the second reason for not recording on the input track is that Live's built in latency compensation is only active when a track is set to not monitor the signal. So when I'm stepping the record button on my FCB, my instrument noise gets recorded on a different channel than the one I'm listening to and Live immediately moves the recording 12 ms into the future. This also means that if you need to have loops start playing back at the very moment you stop the recording, you will have to live with a little latency of the recorded loops. Not acceptable for most instruments IMHO. It destroys the feeling and the magic of music making. In my "big" laptop set-up I have connected the hardware reverb to Live 4 exactly as you would connect it to a normal mixer. The UC-33 is midi mapped to Live and I can "play" 8 tracks volume and three effects: two in Live and then the Lexi reverb. My instruments input signal (2 mono channel inputs used: one mic and one guitar pre-amp), into the Live laptop is also tapped and sent into the EDP. From the EDP the output, it goes into the filter-bank which stereo output is fed back into live. I have the same arrangement in Live for EDP/filterbank as I did describe for my live instruments. In fact I record to the same Live 4 track and then, when I'm satisfied with the number and quality of the recorded loops (they don't play back yet) I'm moving them with the mouse to other slots on other tracks for playback. The sound-design actually happens in the playing and in the EDP and filter-bank FCB manipulations. Live 4 is the midi clock master and EDP and filterbank (beat synced LFO stuff) follows the Live tempo. The filtering beat sync division is mapped to one expression pedal on the FCB and the other pedal is mapped to EDP feedback, in all banks. I have one FCB bank for EDP control, one bank for recording into live and a third bank for jumping between "scenes" in live. A "scene" in Live means all the slots that have been filled with a loop, called "clips", on all mixer tracks. (the mixer in live is actually called "the session view"). As you see "a scene" is a horizontal row of clips and each clip plays back on a dedicated (vertical) mixer strip ("channel", "track"). The strategy for a live-looping show with this set-up is to first build a foundation of looping clips in live, using instruments and EDP/filter. You don't have to keep all of them sounding all the time. Live has the function that if you select a certain scene, from the FCB, all silent clips in that scene will start playing back (if looped, they will loop. if set to "one-shot" they will play and then stop). Now, if some clips were already playing in the selected scene these clips will now be turned off while the others, that were silent, will start playing instead. This opens up for many combinations of improvise arranging on-the-fly. I have also put VST and AU effects on all the Live tracks and these effects are midi controlled in real-time. Yet another trick for a more organic control by the musician. I especially like the option with Live 4, compared to my EDP/Repeater set-up, to make dramatically quick changes of the sound. Kind of "re-mix" or "reverse engineering" of ones own playing. Ok, the last thing I want to say about Live 4 is that it now comes with midi sequencing and two built in virtual midi instruments, a sampler and drum sample player. The midi sequencing is called "midi clips" and they look just like audio clips in the GUI when you are looping with Live (yes, Live 4 has "midi live looping", I remember that discussion from the list). There are also midi effects and I'm finding them very powerful. By that I mean the possibility to set up random processes that change the velocity and pitch just a tiny little for all midi notes. The impact of these small random processes is huge when listening to a drum beat played back. Very "alive" sounding. One of my eight live-looping tracks in Live 4 is "a midi track". On this track I can throw in midi patterns for drumming. I have some favorite patterns of traditional african drumming that I have loved for years and I keep them as "midi clips". After the midi clips I have put midi effects for "slightly randomization of velocity" and a "pitch filter". The pitch filter is mapped to a physical knob and the more I tweak that knob the higher percentage of the streaming midi notes are getting transformed by a random interval between 1 and 6 half notes down. Since the drums are mapped with kick drum on lowest note number and the hi hat on top "the drummer" will then start to play a "minimalistic solo" more and more getting into the darker drum sounds. This is very cool, a bit like Numerology (but that software is more powerful for stuff like that). Actually Live 4 has got a little of The Numeroolgy Spririt ;-) With the new feature "follow actions" you can set up how a clip will play and what will happen when it stops. Like "play next clip", "play the clip before" etc etc. You can also randomize the probability between two different scenarios. So you can actually design a system that creates complete random music or just induces a little variety into a sequence of loops. The live recorded loops you are recording can be dragged with the mouse and dropped into these "follow action prepared" clips. What happens then is that the new loop is taking over all the sophisticated settings of the old loop. Oh, one last thing. The drum player can send drum sounds out on different channels. I'm taking advantage of this by using three different Supatrigga plug-ins on three different drum sounds. Combined with well programmed midi patterns as raw material, and the partially randomizing midi plug-ins you can create very organic and interesting drum music in Live 4. It's never getting boring! Well, that has to be 'nuff for tonight. ;-) ciao per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 06:36:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CAW4j09781; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089628271!16650502 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FF07@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:26:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C467FA.A59D4950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C467FA.A59D4950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a mere 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering skills that's going to look at it. Just wondering if any of you have had to do this...any success stories (hopefully no failure stories!)? I've gotten a few tips from the rec.music.makers.synth group, like be careful of the thin tin leads... I wish I could just clip the old out, clip the new in!<< david- it's better to change these things too often than not often enough- aswell as losing the memory of whatever system is involved (drum machines can be heartbreaking, especially), you run the risk of the battery leaking & damaging the circuit board it lives on. this fate befell many korg poly6 synths. my preferred technique is to cut out the old battery so that the wires are left quite long. then twist these wires & the wires of the new battery together so that the new battery is mechanically secure. this minimises the soldering time required & thus the heating of the board & the battery, neither of which particularly like getting too hot. & obviously, observe the polarity. if you're changing the battery before it has failed, you will need to do a sys-ex memory dump or similar in order to save y'r data. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. = ; I can get to it fine (a mere
20 screws), but it's soldered in.  I have a friend = with soldering skills
that's going to look at it.

Just wondering if any of you have had to do this...any su= ccess stories
(hopefully no failure stories!)?  I've gotten a few= tips from the
rec.music.makers.synth group, like be careful of the thi= n tin leads...  I
wish I could just clip the old out, clip the new in!<= <

david- it's better to change these things too often than = not often enough- aswell as losing the memory of whatever system is involve= d (drum machines can be heartbreaking, especially), you run the risk of the= battery leaking & damaging the circuit board it lives on. this fate be= fell many korg poly6 synths.

my preferred technique is to cut out the old battery so t= hat the wires are left quite long. then twist these wires & the wires o= f the new battery together so that the new battery is mechanically secure. = this minimises the soldering time required & thus the heating of the bo= ard & the battery, neither of which particularly like getting too hot. = & obviously, observe the polarity.

if you're changing the battery before it has failed, you = will need to do a sys-ex memory dump or similar in order to save y'r data.<= /FONT>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C467FA.A59D4950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 06:42:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CAdwS11876; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089628532!16852200 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FF08@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: other recorder recommendations ? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:30:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C467FB.432F44C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C467FB.432F44C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>don't expect to edit onboard this thing. Otherwise, it works great for basic live recording and burning to a CD......I bought one and returned it after two very frustrating recording experiences.<< I neglected to mention while I was banging on about the korg multitracks my band use, that they are actually quite easy to edit on, great for live recording (sit them on a cushion though...) & can burn audio, wav & backup cds. the best part is that even the mk2 versions of the d1200 & d1600 are very cheap for what you get. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C467FB.432F44C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: other recorder recommendations ?

>>don't expect to edit onboard this thing.  Ot= herwise, it works great for basic live recording and burning to a CD......I= bought one and returned it after two very frustrating recording experience= s.<<

I neglected to mention while I was banging on about the k= org multitracks my band use, that they are actually quite easy to edit on, = great for live recording (sit them on a cushion though...) & can burn a= udio, wav & backup cds.

the best part is that even the mk2 versions of the d1200 = & d1600 are very cheap for what you get.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C467FB.432F44C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 07:23:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CBHQe23449; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c46803$3cd1f5c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <40F0861D.9090302@biink.com> Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:27:38 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Stephen Parsick wrote: > >> > >>>while talking about pedal steels and lap steels, does anyone know the stuff > >>>robert rich does with his pedal steel (e. g. "liquid air" off "below zero")? > >>>how can i get this type of singing vowely quality? do i have to use a pedal > >>>steel or could i use any other guitar for that type of sound? stupid > >>>question, but i am no guitar player inthe traditional sense of the word... > >>> > >>He bows the string with the slide. > >>-- > >>* David Beardsley > > > >I believe he also sometimes uses an e-bow and definitely > >a Line 6 Delay. There's several photos of Robert playing > >steel on this page - in case you can glean any more hints. > >http://www.theambientping.com/robert_rich_070402.html > > > You see how his left hand is muting the strings while he rubs the slide > back and forth > across the high string? It's called glissando guitar and he told me he > picked > the technique from Daveid Allen of Gong. Steve Hillage uses this too. > -- > * David Beardsley Ahhhh - Thanks! I love that Gong glissando guitar sound. I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments for this effect because of the quality of the metal. (?) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 10:02:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CDvQk26603; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:56:37 EDT Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6CDumh26115 Resent-Message-ID: <_lzgN.A.eYG.gip8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The following take PayPal: www.CDbaby.com and www.guitar9.com But neither one of these is a "full-spectrum" music outlet offering the kind of broad selecton of an Amazon.com. They're still pretty "specialized." Many, many, many little independent labels and music outlets take Paypal. But I really don't know any that do so AND offer a truly complete across-the-board catalog of musics. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 10:54:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CDaMP16371; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e701c46815$0d1b4770$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loopers" References: Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:35:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.stevelawson.net/store :o) You can order my new album, view the price in dollars, euros or pounds, and if you order it soon, you'll get a limited edition second CD free with the new one! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Buying CDs with PayPal? > Hi list, > > Can someone recommend a web store where I can buy CD's for my PayPal > cash? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 11:12:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CF7Ys00394; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c46823$707d4b20$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FF07@lon-oxmail02> <002001c46821$bc364820$0200a8c0@audiows> Subject: Re: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:18:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, Thanks for the advice. Got the new battery (CR2032), and since I don't want to start my soldering education with this project, a friend will do it Wednesday. The fitting is quite flush on the board; there's really not any wires coming off it, just the wires that "BatteriesPlus" spot-welded onto the battery (kind of a fragile weld, as I've already snapped one off merely moving the wire...hopefully battery #2 is better!). I may look into getting a "battery holder" from Radio Shack, as that's a one-time solder, then you just pop the battery in. As far as lost data, I think I'm ok. The battery has been bad for a while, but the nature of the SY77 is a "self-fix," as it's a synth work station, with a floppy disk drive. I've got disks with "all data" ready to load back in. David ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: "David Auker" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement > RE: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement > ----- Original Message ----- > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:26 AM > Subject: RE: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement > > > >>My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a mere > 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering skills > that's going to look at it. > Just wondering if any of you have had to do this...any success stories > (hopefully no failure stories!)? I've gotten a few tips from the > rec.music.makers.synth group, like be careful of the thin tin leads... I > wish I could just clip the old out, clip the new in!<< > david- it's better to change these things too often than not often enough- > aswell as losing the memory of whatever system is involved (drum machines > can be heartbreaking, especially), you run the risk of the battery leaking & > damaging the circuit board it lives on. this fate befell many korg poly6 > synths. > my preferred technique is to cut out the old battery so that the wires are > left quite long. then twist these wires & the wires of the new battery > together so that the new battery is mechanically secure. this minimises the > soldering time required & thus the heating of the board & the battery, > neither of which particularly like getting too hot. & obviously, observe the > polarity. > if you're changing the battery before it has failed, you will need to do a > sys-ex memory dump or similar in order to save y'r data. > duncan/r.m.i. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 11:25:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CFKDi07581; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:19:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6CFJlh07295 Resent-Message-ID: <7UJDTB.A.SyB.Uwq8AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-12, at 15.56, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > The following take PayPal: > > www.CDbaby.com Are you sure? I only found this information at their site: CD Baby Payment Options • CREDIT CARDS: Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover • OTHER: check, money order, international money order, cash, chocolate. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 11:35:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CFVFu12831; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <003101c46803$3cd1f5c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <40F0861D.9090302@biink.com> <003101c46803$3cd1f5c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <60DD3EC6-D418-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:17 -0700 To: "Scott M2" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ahhhh - Thanks! I love that Gong glissando guitar sound. me too. > I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where > Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments > for this effect because of the quality of the metal. (?) or maybe because of the texture on the handles. I've had pretty good luck getting a similar sound using the handle of small Maglite as a bow (into too much bi-phase and echo of course). The question becomes, how does the sound change if you leave the flashlight on? :-p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 11:58:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CFtcD25426; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5D7A6A12-D38E-11D8-82B9-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <5D7A6A12-D38E-11D8-82B9-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--328656904 Message-Id: From: Optimus Rob Subject: CDBaby paypal suggestion Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:54:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--328656904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, I just tried to buy one of my CD's at CDBaby and saw paypal listed =20= as an option. If you're up for some loop-based ambient psy, I'd love=20 for you to check my debut album Mood Synth at=20 http://cdbaby.com/cd/optimusrob. I'm curious to know if it works! For=20= some fellow looper karma, I'll send you a free copy of my newest album=20= if you spend a whole $4.99 on Mood Synth (w/ or w/out paypal).."it's a=20= deal, it's a steal, it's the sale of the f_cking century" - [fat] Tom. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 11, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 2004-07-11, at 19.32, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> Hey, Per! >> >> maybe you will tell the list anyway... we wonder whether its better=20= >> loopabale now! >> are you fine? >> I am at mom... >> >> kiss >> Matthias >> --=20 >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > Hi Matithias, > > Good to hear you're at mom's now. Guess you're getting a good cake=20 > refill then ;-) > > Ok, I'll send over a short take on the loopabilities of Live 4 and I=20= > hope you don'=A8t mind if I forward it to the list as well. I'm = spending=20 > a lot of time with the Live 4 beta version for three reasons; helping=20= > Ableton with the beta testing and doing what I can to make the=20 > software better for live-looping, preparing a review of Live 4 in a=20 > Swedish Computer Music Studio Magazine and finally preparing a gig at=20= > a Swedish festival, http://www.norbergfestival.com > > Well the short answer is that Live 4 is a little better than Live 3=20 > for looping, but only if you adapt to its limitations and to take=20 > advantage of it's special abilities. The biggest limitation is that=20 > there is no way to do overdub looping. But this is not a limitation=20 > for all musicians, only those who want to make music that evolves=20 > seamlessly, endlessly... In Live you record a loop and then it sits in=20= > a slot to repeat itself until you turn it off. And on the other hand,=20= > if you are into music that relies on steady repeating loops you will=20= > find Live a very good looper. There are practically no limit to how=20 > many loops you can have spinning at the same time. All of different=20 > lengths if you want. Even very long recordings, like an hour or so,=20 > can be played back while are looping. Tempo can be changed, "elastic=20= > audio" will adapt. You can also change the pitch of individual loops,=20= > but not by external midi (a big bummer). > > Another area where Live is excellent is to replace a mixer, a patch=20 > bay and an effect rack. Remember that you advised me to look for "a=20 > midi controllable mixer" when we were playing together last year?=20 > Well, Live 4 IS that mixer now. Thanks for the tip ;-) > > New in Live 4 are almost endless possibilities to rout audio and midi=20= > streams. The looping set-up I have now assembled is a Powerbook with=20= > Live 4, an EDP, an AKAI MFC42 analog filter, a Lexicon LXP-5 reverb,=20= > an Evolution UC-33 midi controller/mixer and a Behringer FCB1010 foot=20= > midi controller. The computer also has an external firewire 800 hard=20= > drive and a RME Multiface 8/8 +digital soundcard/break-out box. > > I devoted a couple of days to see if it was possible to loop with only=20= > software and I found this to work quite ok. I could actually play a=20 > gig with just laptop, FCB and my instruments. Then I'm using a=20 > software plugin for overdub looping, the Lexicon PSP42. This is just=20= > like looping with delay units and feedback pedal (the Polish plug-in=20= > emulates the legendary Lexicon well). In Live 4 I can set up the PSP42=20= > on one track for looping (controlled by FCB1010) and then route the=20 > output of that track to another track that I have set up to record up=20= > to 9 loops in one go. 9 was choosed because I have instant access to=20= > nine foot pads on the FCB. Each FCB pad is addressing one slot on a=20 > Live track. The last pad, the tenth, addresses "record enable" of that=20= > track. The reason I'm not recording on the input track is that I'm=20 > using it for monitoring of my instrument, to add Live's effects to my=20= > instrument sound (delay, reverb etc). This is delicate because with=20 > the buffer I'm using for the Powerbook hardware I'm getting a 12 ms=20 > latency of the input signal. I'm blending that 12 ms late signal with=20= > the direct hardware monitoring signal of the RME, going right out into=20= > the PA with no latency. The blending of those two signals is a=20 > delicate quest, to avoid phasing. But it's definitely possible. I'll=20= > post recordings later on. > > Well, the second reason for not recording on the input track is that=20= > Live's built in latency compensation is only active when a track is=20 > set to not monitor the signal. So when I'm stepping the record button=20= > on my FCB, my instrument noise gets recorded on a different channel=20 > than the one I'm listening to and Live immediately moves the recording=20= > 12 ms into the future. > > This also means that if you need to have loops start playing back at=20= > the very moment you stop the recording, you will have to live with a=20= > little latency of the recorded loops. Not acceptable for most=20 > instruments IMHO. It destroys the feeling and the magic of music=20 > making. > > In my "big" laptop set-up I have connected the hardware reverb to Live=20= > 4 exactly as you would connect it to a normal mixer. The UC-33 is midi=20= > mapped to Live and I can "play" 8 tracks volume and three effects: two=20= > in Live and then the Lexi reverb. My instruments input signal (2 mono=20= > channel inputs used: one mic and one guitar pre-amp), into the Live=20= > laptop is also tapped and sent into the EDP. =46rom the EDP the = output,=20 > it goes into the filter-bank which stereo output is fed back into=20 > live. I have the same arrangement in Live for EDP/filterbank as I did=20= > describe for my live instruments. In fact I record to the same Live 4=20= > track and then, when I'm satisfied with the number and quality of the=20= > recorded loops (they don't play back yet) I'm moving them with the=20 > mouse to other slots on other tracks for playback. The sound-design=20 > actually happens in the playing and in the EDP and filter-bank FCB=20 > manipulations. Live 4 is the midi clock master and EDP and filterbank=20= > (beat synced LFO stuff) follows the Live tempo. The filtering beat=20 > sync division is mapped to one expression pedal on the FCB and the=20 > other pedal is mapped to EDP feedback, in all banks. I have one FCB=20 > bank for EDP control, one bank for recording into live and a third=20 > bank for jumping between "scenes" in live. > > A "scene" in Live means all the slots that have been filled with a=20 > loop, called "clips", on all mixer tracks. (the mixer in live is=20 > actually called "the session view"). As you see "a scene" is a=20 > horizontal row of clips and each clip plays back on a dedicated=20 > (vertical) mixer strip ("channel", "track"). > > The strategy for a live-looping show with this set-up is to first=20 > build a foundation of looping clips in live, using instruments and=20 > EDP/filter. You don't have to keep all of them sounding all the time.=20= > Live has the function that if you select a certain scene, from the=20 > FCB, all silent clips in that scene will start playing back (if=20 > looped, they will loop. if set to "one-shot" they will play and then=20= > stop). Now, if some clips were already playing in the selected scene=20= > these clips will now be turned off while the others, that were silent,=20= > will start playing instead. This opens up for many combinations of=20 > improvise arranging on-the-fly. > > I have also put VST and AU effects on all the Live tracks and these=20 > effects are midi controlled in real-time. Yet another trick for a more=20= > organic control by the musician. I especially like the option with=20 > Live 4, compared to my EDP/Repeater set-up, to make dramatically quick=20= > changes of the sound. Kind of "re-mix" or "reverse engineering" of=20 > ones own playing. > > Ok, the last thing I want to say about Live 4 is that it now comes=20 > with midi sequencing and two built in virtual midi instruments, a=20 > sampler and drum sample player. The midi sequencing is called "midi=20 > clips" and they look just like audio clips in the GUI when you are=20 > looping with Live (yes, Live 4 has "midi live looping", I remember=20 > that discussion from the list). There are also midi effects and I'm=20 > finding them very powerful. By that I mean the possibility to set up=20= > random processes that change the velocity and pitch just a tiny little=20= > for all midi notes. The impact of these small random processes is huge=20= > when listening to a drum beat played back. Very "alive" sounding. One=20= > of my eight live-looping tracks in Live 4 is "a midi track". On this=20= > track I can throw in midi patterns for drumming. I have some favorite=20= > patterns of traditional african drumming that I have loved for years=20= > and I keep them as "midi clips". After the midi clips I have put midi=20= > effects for "slightly randomization of velocity" and a "pitch filter".=20= > The pitch filter is mapped to a physical knob and the more I tweak=20 > that knob the higher percentage of the streaming midi notes are=20 > getting transformed by a random interval between 1 and 6 half notes=20 > down. Since the drums are mapped with kick drum on lowest note number=20= > and the hi hat on top "the drummer" will then start to play a=20 > "minimalistic solo" more and more getting into the darker drum sounds.=20= > This is very cool, a bit like Numerology (but that software is more=20 > powerful for stuff like that). Actually Live 4 has got a little of The=20= > Numeroolgy Spririt ;-) With the new feature "follow actions" you can=20= > set up how a clip will play and what will happen when it stops. Like=20= > "play next clip", "play the clip before" etc etc. You can also=20 > randomize the probability between two different scenarios. So you can=20= > actually design a system that creates complete random music or just=20 > induces a little variety into a sequence of loops. The live recorded=20= > loops you are recording can be dragged with the mouse and dropped into=20= > these "follow action prepared" clips. What happens then is that the=20 > new loop is taking over all the sophisticated settings of the old=20 > loop. > > Oh, one last thing. The drum player can send drum sounds out on=20 > different channels. I'm taking advantage of this by using three=20 > different Supatrigga plug-ins on three different drum sounds. Combined=20= > with well programmed midi patterns as raw material, and the partially=20= > randomizing midi plug-ins you can create very organic and interesting=20= > drum music in Live 4. It's never getting boring! > > Well, that has to be 'nuff for tonight. ;-) > > ciao > > per > > --Apple-Mail-2--328656904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I just tried to buy one of my CD's at CDBaby and saw paypal listed=20= as an option. If you're up for some loop-based ambient psy, I'd love for you to check my debut album Mood Synth at http://cdbaby.com/cd/optimusrob. I'm curious to know if it works!=20 For some fellow looper karma, I'll send you a free copy of my newest album if you spend a whole $4.99 on Mood Synth (w/ or w/out paypal).."it's a deal, it's a steal, it's the sale of the f_cking century" - [fat] Tom.=20 = Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get = Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob =20 = Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0......................................................=20 Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism"=20 http://www.optimusrob.com = _________________________________________________ On Jul 11, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On 2004-07-11, at 19.32, Matthias Grob wrote: Hey, Per! maybe you will tell the list anyway... we wonder whether its better loopabale now! are you fine? I am at mom... kiss Matthias --=20 ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Hi Matithias, Good to hear you're at mom's now. Guess you're getting a good cake refill then ;-) Ok, I'll send over a short take on the loopabilities of Live 4 and I hope you don'=A8t mind if I forward it to the list as well. I'm spending a lot of time with the Live 4 beta version for three reasons; helping Ableton with the beta testing and doing what I can to make the software better for live-looping, preparing a review of Live 4 in a Swedish Computer Music Studio Magazine and finally preparing a gig at a Swedish festival, http://www.norbergfestival.com Well the short answer is that Live 4 is a little better than Live 3 for looping, but only if you adapt to its limitations and to take advantage of it's special abilities. The biggest limitation is that there is no way to do overdub looping. But this is not a limitation for all musicians, only those who want to make music that evolves seamlessly, endlessly... In Live you record a loop and then it sits in a slot to repeat itself until you turn it off. And on the other hand, if you are into music that relies on steady repeating loops you will find Live a very good looper. There are practically no limit to how many loops you can have spinning at the same time. All of different lengths if you want. Even very long recordings, like an hour or so, can be played back while are looping. Tempo can be changed, "elastic audio" will adapt. You can also change the pitch of individual loops, but not by external midi (a big bummer). Another area where Live is excellent is to replace a mixer, a patch bay and an effect rack. Remember that you advised me to look for "a midi controllable mixer" when we were playing together last year? Well, Live 4 IS that mixer now. Thanks for the tip ;-) New in Live 4 are almost endless possibilities to rout audio and midi streams. The looping set-up I have now assembled is a Powerbook with Live 4, an EDP, an AKAI MFC42 analog filter, a Lexicon LXP-5 reverb, an Evolution UC-33 midi controller/mixer and a Behringer FCB1010 foot midi controller. The computer also has an external firewire 800 hard drive and a RME Multiface 8/8 +digital soundcard/break-out box. I devoted a couple of days to see if it was possible to loop with only software and I found this to work quite ok. I could actually play a gig with just laptop, FCB and my instruments. Then I'm using a software plugin for overdub looping, the Lexicon PSP42. This is just like looping with delay units and feedback pedal (the Polish plug-in emulates the legendary Lexicon well). In Live 4 I can set up the PSP42 on one track for looping (controlled by FCB1010) and then route the output of that track to another track that I have set up to record up to 9 loops in one go. 9 was choosed because I have instant access to nine foot pads on the FCB. Each FCB pad is addressing one slot on a Live track. The last pad, the tenth, addresses "record enable" of that track. The reason I'm not recording on the input track is that I'm using it for monitoring of my instrument, to add Live's effects to my instrument sound (delay, reverb etc). This is delicate because with the buffer I'm using for the Powerbook hardware I'm getting a 12 ms latency of the input signal. I'm blending that 12 ms late signal with the direct hardware monitoring signal of the RME, going right out into the PA with no latency. The blending of those two signals is a delicate quest, to avoid phasing. But it's definitely possible. I'll post recordings later on. Well, the second reason for not recording on the input track is that Live's built in latency compensation is only active when a track is set to not monitor the signal. So when I'm stepping the record button on my FCB, my instrument noise gets recorded on a different channel than the one I'm listening to and Live immediately moves the recording 12 ms into the future. This also means that if you need to have loops start playing back at the very moment you stop the recording, you will have to live with a little latency of the recorded loops. Not acceptable for most instruments IMHO. It destroys the feeling and the magic of music making. In my "big" laptop set-up I have connected the hardware reverb to Live 4 exactly as you would connect it to a normal mixer. The UC-33 is midi mapped to Live and I can "play" 8 tracks volume and three effects: two in Live and then the Lexi reverb. My instruments input signal (2 mono channel inputs used: one mic and one guitar pre-amp), into the Live laptop is also tapped and sent into the EDP. =46rom the EDP the output, it goes into the filter-bank which stereo output is fed back into live. I have the same arrangement in Live for EDP/filterbank as I did describe for my live instruments. In fact I record to the same Live 4 track and then, when I'm satisfied with the number and quality of the recorded loops (they don't play back yet) I'm moving them with the mouse to other slots on other tracks for playback. The sound-design actually happens in the playing and in the EDP and filter-bank FCB manipulations. Live 4 is the midi clock master and EDP and filterbank (beat synced LFO stuff) follows the Live tempo. The filtering beat sync division is mapped to one expression pedal on the FCB and the other pedal is mapped to EDP feedback, in all banks. I have one FCB bank for EDP control, one bank for recording into live and a third bank for jumping between "scenes" in live. A "scene" in Live means all the slots that have been filled with a loop, called "clips", on all mixer tracks. (the mixer in live is actually called "the session view"). As you see "a scene" is a horizontal row of clips and each clip plays back on a dedicated (vertical) mixer strip ("channel", "track"). The strategy for a live-looping show with this set-up is to first build a foundation of looping clips in live, using instruments and EDP/filter. You don't have to keep all of them sounding all the time. Live has the function that if you select a certain scene, from the FCB, all silent clips in that scene will start playing back (if looped, they will loop. if set to "one-shot" they will play and then stop). Now, if some clips were already playing in the selected scene these clips will now be turned off while the others, that were silent, will start playing instead. This opens up for many combinations of improvise arranging on-the-fly. I have also put VST and AU effects on all the Live tracks and these effects are midi controlled in real-time. Yet another trick for a more organic control by the musician. I especially like the option with Live 4, compared to my EDP/Repeater set-up, to make dramatically quick changes of the sound. Kind of "re-mix" or "reverse engineering" of ones own playing. Ok, the last thing I want to say about Live 4 is that it now comes with midi sequencing and two built in virtual midi instruments, a sampler and drum sample player. The midi sequencing is called "midi clips" and they look just like audio clips in the GUI when you are looping with Live (yes, Live 4 has "midi live looping", I remember that discussion from the list). There are also midi effects and I'm finding them very powerful. By that I mean the possibility to set up random processes that change the velocity and pitch just a tiny little for all midi notes. The impact of these small random processes is huge when listening to a drum beat played back. Very "alive" sounding. One of my eight live-looping tracks in Live 4 is "a midi track". On this track I can throw in midi patterns for drumming. I have some favorite patterns of traditional african drumming that I have loved for years and I keep them as "midi clips". After the midi clips I have put midi effects for "slightly randomization of velocity" and a "pitch filter". The pitch filter is mapped to a physical knob and the more I tweak that knob the higher percentage of the streaming midi notes are getting transformed by a random interval between 1 and 6 half notes down. Since the drums are mapped with kick drum on lowest note number and the hi hat on top "the drummer" will then start to play a "minimalistic solo" more and more getting into the darker drum sounds. This is very cool, a bit like Numerology (but that software is more powerful for stuff like that). Actually Live 4 has got a little of The Numeroolgy Spririt ;-) With the new feature "follow actions" you can set up how a clip will play and what will happen when it stops. Like "play next clip", "play the clip before" etc etc. You can also randomize the probability between two different scenarios. So you can actually design a system that creates complete random music or just induces a little variety into a sequence of loops. The live recorded loops you are recording can be dragged with the mouse and dropped into these "follow action prepared" clips. What happens then is that the new loop is taking over all the sophisticated settings of the old loop. Oh, one last thing. The drum player can send drum sounds out on different channels. I'm taking advantage of this by using three different Supatrigga plug-ins on three different drum sounds. Combined with well programmed midi patterns as raw material, and the partially randomizing midi plug-ins you can create very organic and interesting drum music in Live 4. It's never getting boring! Well, that has to be 'nuff for tonight. ;-) ciao per = --Apple-Mail-2--328656904-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 15:10:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CJ1tF19426; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c46842$997553f0$050a5c54@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <40F0861D.9090302@biink.com> <003101c46803$3cd1f5c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <60DD3EC6-D418-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Subject: Daevid Allen - was: pedal steels Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:01:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all - we (that is Cipher) got together in a recording studio with Mr Allen for a day and recorded a lot of his Glissando guitar playing - and very impressive it was! He was using a Boomerang looper and various metal objects. The results appeared on our last album - One Who Whispers. Several tracks feature his atmospheric sounds and loops - you can hear a clip of one of them - Panoramic Lounge - at our website http://www.cipher.f9.co.uk/albums.htm or visit the Gong website - http://www.planetgong.co.uk/octave/cd/cipherwhispers.shtml I believe he had problems with reliability with the Rang on the subsequent Gong tour. Cheers Dave Sturt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" To: "Scott M2" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Re: pedal steels > > Ahhhh - Thanks! I love that Gong glissando guitar sound. > > me too. > > > I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where > > Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments > > for this effect because of the quality of the metal. (?) > > or maybe because of the texture on the handles. I've had pretty good > luck getting a similar sound using the handle of small Maglite as a bow > (into too much bi-phase and echo of course). The question becomes, how > does the sound change if you leave the flashlight on? :-p > > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 15:40:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CJaZY01868; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:38:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200407121538.AA829817124@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: streaming live shows X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can stream directly from a Windows machine using the free Windows Media encoder software. I've often seen this used to webcast shows at venues. Kevin disclaimer: I was on the team that wrote v7 of the encoder. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Reply-To: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:58:22 +0200 >I'm currently negotiating with a place regarding a possible looping live >show. This place has a DSL internet access (don't have information about >bandwith yet). > >I'd like to ask you whether any of you has experience with streaming live >shows on the internet. From what I understand, you basically need two things >(technically): > >a) a stream source, which encodes the received audio (e.g. from an audio >input on the computer) and sends it out to a server. Bandwith requirement: >what it takes to transmit the stream. Example: SimpleCast >b) a stream server, which receives the audio stream from the source (a) and >sends it to the audients. Bandwith requirement: the stream times the >audients. Example Icecast. >c) possible relay servers, which take a stream from a server (b) and send it >out to the audients. > >Specifically, I'd like to know whether you know of any affordable (read: >free si possible :-) services doing the (b) part? Also, any hints regarding >the software for (a) would be appreciated (windows platform). > >Thanks, > > Rainer > >Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 15:57:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CJsEd10358; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:54:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:56:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200407121556.AA801571088@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Loopers Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.unitcircle.com/catalog/default.asp Featuring such looper friendly artists as: Bill Horist Intonarumori Amy Denio Entropic Advance and a zillion others Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Legion Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:21:58 -0700 (PDT) >On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Can someone recommend a web store where I can buy CD's for my PayPal >> cash? All the best, Per Boysen > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 16:09:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CK6sO17697; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:06:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <98D90FFA-D1B8-11D8-BDF1-0003939F02DA@mac.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20040709070119.035bb9f0@pop.dakotacom.net> <98D90FFA-D1B8-11D8-BDF1-0003939F02DA@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:05:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com didn't hear back from you. did you want to sell it to another one from seattle? i am looking for another and live in seattle myself. let me know, ken; On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:59 AM, Dave Budde wrote: > I've got a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale. Anyone here > interested? I'll put it up on ebay in a week if no one here responds. > Price is firm at $750. Free shipping and available to US locations > only. I purchased it new in late April. I bought it for a specific > project which is now complete. I really like it but don't have much > use for it so can't justify keeping it. I've only used it in a > smokeless home environment and it has gotten very little use. It is > in original condition and has Loop IV firmware. I don't have the foot > controller. It comes with the EDP, the very well written manual, and > power cord in the original box. > > Email me for a photo or any questions. It's in Seattle. Payments > must clear before shipping. > > Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 17:13:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CL5TX12928; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <154.39a8a569.2e2456f8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:04:56 EDT Subject: Re: Buying CDs with PayPal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6CL56h12714 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, In a message dated 7/12/04 8:20:03 AM, per@boysen.se writes: >> The following take PayPal: >> >> www.CDbaby.com >> >>Are you sure? I only found this information at their site: Maybe you're right. Perhaps I'm confusing them with Guitar9. I've purchased several CDs (and sold my own) through both. Many apologies if my information is incorrect. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 17:23:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6CLEER17627; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:14:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:14:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040712211354.39771.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Synth "Internal Battery" Replacement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C1EC98A-D217-11D8-AE37-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jul 9, 2004, at 3:05 PM, .David.Auker. wrote: > > My Yamaha SY77 needs a new internal battery. I can get to it fine (a > > mere 20 screws), but it's soldered in. I have a friend with soldering > > skills > > I completely and totally resent Yamaha for their rude attitude towards > battery placement and the service people who have to deal with them. > (in fact, it seems like ALL Yamaha equipment is designed from the > ground up to be as rude as possible to the user.) > > Roland uses battery holders ... much better. Hey, come on here! They probably saved FIVE OR SIX -CENTS- by not using a battery holder!!! You must not care how much your gear costs you. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 12 23:15:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6D30W613390; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:00:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c46886$ef69a100$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <27928.1089499487@www24.gmx.net> <40F07673.8080207@biink.com> <000801c466da$95af16c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <40F0861D.9090302@biink.com> <003101c46803$3cd1f5c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <60DD3EC6-D418-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Subject: Re: pedal steels Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:10:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Alex Stahl" > > Ahhhh - Thanks! I love that Gong glissando guitar sound. > > me too. > > > I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where > > Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments > > for this effect because of the quality of the metal. (?) > > or maybe because of the texture on the handles. I've had pretty good > luck getting a similar sound using the handle of small Maglite as a bow > (into too much bi-phase and echo of course). The question becomes, how > does the sound change if you leave the flashlight on? :-p The photonic effect... If you leave it on, you get a lighter tone and, of course, a darker one when it's off. Some people favour the sound when the batteries are starting to weaken. ;) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 00:25:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6D4MdB01932; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Looking for input on Finale Compositions / whether to re-produce Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:22:02 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all - I'm looking for some input and opinions on whether I should pay someone to create better versions of two songs that I composed in score format, using Finale 2000, and converted to MP3. These will be on my next CD. First, I'm looking for your review of the sound and patch quality of the clips below. I have a feeling that the quality is sub-standard, because I used my notebook computer's sound card to generate them. Second, if I decide to improve the quality, I will be looking for someone to take my MIDI files, play them using a high quality keyboard, sound canvas, or sample generator of some sort, and record them to MP3. My only other option is to pay real classical musicians to play them, which could get costly. Here are the songs. Both utilize vibes, bass, and pizzicato violin. Be sure to copy the entire URL from http to .mp3. Cantor's Madhouse http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Cantor's%20M adhouse.mp3 Race to Infinity http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Race%20to%20 Infinity.mp3 Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 06:40:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DAX5725649; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089714585!16975095 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FF18@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:24:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C468C3.9D8CAC50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C468C3.9D8CAC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments for this effect because of the quality of the metal. (?)<< I've studied this in some depth over the last 25 years, though somewhat incidentally. we used to listen to allen & hillage on the gong albums, & then hillage's solo output with guys like christian boule & (yet another) dave stewart scraping away with discarded tremelo arms, it looked like. in 1979 a guitarist I was working with explained what was going on. he used to use a screwdriver but had terrible problems with squealing & general unpleasantness. he explained that making chord shapes was pointless because the implement doesn't just bow the strings like a violin bow would, but actually "stops" the strings aswell. it's actually a quite different effect than bowing, & might have been what godley&creme were trying to achieve with the gizmo. this means you end up using an open & moveable tuning, like dropping the top E to D. also, the best results were achieved by pinching the lower three strings (E, A & D) out of the way of the implement, & rolling off most of the top. the implement has to be perpendicular to the neck, so parallel to the fret markers & more-or-less directly over them. &, as with a slide, the strings should never touch the neck or frets. the echo device used to sustain the sound (tape echo worked best) should also have it's top-end rolled off; we used to use a tape-deck with three heads for echo in those days, & it was possible to use the machine's tone controls in it's feedback loop so as to progressively attenuate the top end & get loads of repeats. the dl4 can do this quite well. we settled on the handle/jaw of a small set of gas-pliers, which I dismantled into two halves for the purpose. the texture of the handle area was just right, being a deliberately roughened "grip" made from chrome-vanadium. I still have the thing now somewhere. the business end of the plier & the far-end of the handle both curved neatly out of the action area, making it easy to hold & use. nothing else I've tried for gliss-guitar has been anything like as effective. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C468C3.9D8CAC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar

>>I seem to recall an interview a million years ago= , where Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments for this e= ffect because of the quality of the metal. (?)<<

I've studied this in some depth over the last 25 years, t= hough somewhat incidentally. we used to listen to allen & hillage on th= e gong albums, & then hillage's solo output with guys like christian bo= ule & (yet another) dave stewart scraping away with discarded tremelo a= rms, it looked like.

in 1979 a guitarist I was working with explained what was= going on. he used to use a screwdriver but had terrible problems with sque= aling & general unpleasantness. he explained that making chord shapes w= as pointless because the implement doesn't just bow the strings like a viol= in bow would, but actually "stops" the strings aswell. it's actua= lly a quite different effect than bowing, & might have been what godley= &creme were trying to achieve with the gizmo.

 
this means you end up using an open & moveable tunin= g, like dropping the top E to D. also, the best results were achieved by pi= nching the lower three strings (E, A & D) out of the way of the impleme= nt, & rolling off most of the top.  the implement has to be perpen= dicular to the neck, so parallel to the fret markers & more-or-less dir= ectly over them. &, as with a slide, the strings should never touch the= neck or frets.

the echo device used to sustain the sound (tape echo work= ed best) should also have it's top-end rolled off; we used to use a tape-de= ck with three heads for echo in those days, & it was possible to use th= e machine's tone controls in it's feedback loop so as to progressively atte= nuate the top end & get loads of repeats. the dl4 can do this quite wel= l.

we settled on the handle/jaw of a small set of gas-pliers= , which I dismantled into two halves for the purpose. the texture of the ha= ndle area was just right, being a deliberately roughened "grip" m= ade from chrome-vanadium. I still have the thing now somewhere. the busines= s end of the plier & the far-end of the handle both curved neatly out o= f the action area, making it easy to hold & use.

nothing else I've tried for gliss-guitar has been anythin= g like as effective.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C468C3.9D8CAC50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 11:40:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DFcVB02571; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <48.2e1c3c3d.2e255bd2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:37:54 EDT Subject: Nels Cline touring with Wilco? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6DFcCh02446 Resent-Message-ID: <5pq_GD.A.dm.kHA9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm, Every now and again I visit Nel's website. He's an L.A. based guitarist acquaintance who sometimes loops on an original EH 16-Second delay with a cross-pollinating mutant punkish/rockish/free-jazz/art-noise sortta style. He's very gifted -- and original -- the kind of guitarist I'd like to be when I grow up (though, now that I'm past 50, I despair of that ever actually happening). Anywho, imagine my shock/joy that he's gotten a gig playing with Wilco on their current tour supporting the release of their new CD "A Ghost Is Born." Not a bad gig to have at all. Coincidentally, I'd never really listened to Wilco 'til just a few weeks ago. But, for some reason I've heard a lot of them lately (especially after a spot on NPR). One might wonder if he'll introduce Jeff Tweedy and CO to "looping" per se. Who knows? Check out: http://www.nelscline.com/ He also (occasionally) trades his Fender Jazzmaster for a lap steel -- a topic that has come up here a lot lately too. E-I-E-I-O! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 12:47:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DGY0W28075; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:34:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:33:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Nels Cline touring with Wilco? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48.2e1c3c3d.2e255bd2@aol.com> Message-Id: <5E9202C2-D4EA-11D8-B615-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6DGXTh27877 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think jim o'rourke beat him to it, a couple years ago... check out yankee hotel foxtrot as well as a ghost is born. b On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 11:37 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hmmmm, > > Every now and again I visit Nel's website. He's an L.A. > based guitarist acquaintance who sometimes loops on > an original EH 16-Second delay with a cross-pollinating > mutant punkish/rockish/free-jazz/art-noise sortta style. > He's very gifted -- and original -- the kind of guitarist I'd > like to be when I grow up (though, now that I'm past 50, > I despair of that ever actually happening). > > Anywho, imagine my shock/joy that he's gotten a gig > playing with Wilco on their current tour supporting the > release of their new CD "A Ghost Is Born." Not a bad > gig to have at all. Coincidentally, I'd never really listened > to Wilco 'til just a few weeks ago. But, for some reason > I've heard a lot of them lately (especially after a spot on > NPR). One might wonder if he'll introduce Jeff Tweedy > and CO to "looping" per se. > > Who knows? Check out: http://www.nelscline.com/ > > He also (occasionally) trades his Fender Jazzmaster > for a lap steel -- a topic that has come up here a lot > lately too. E-I-E-I-O! > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 14:04:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DHuQk29409; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> References: <1d0.1d482c0b.2d9c3ec2@aol.com> <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: GIG SP*M Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:55:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Going through my Junk folder I found a few messages with the title "gig spam..." and realized my spam filter caught it. I bet a lot of people have a similar experience. I suggest you might want to title your emails with the word "announcement" instead of "spam" as they're not spam anyway. I imagine if you're announcing a loop show we're interested. Just call it a gig announcement and put the name of the state and city in the header. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 14:20:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DIIDE06756; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <115.3509564c.2e25814b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:17:47 EDT Subject: Re: Nels Cline touring with Wilco? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6DIHuh06624 Resent-Message-ID: <8r84EB.A.vnB.UdC9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com B, In a message dated 7/13/04 9:33:45 AM, bruce@skeletonhome.com writes: >i think jim o'rourke beat him to it, a couple years ago... >check out yankee hotel foxtrot as well as a ghost is born. Perhaps you're right. Being basically unfamiliar with Wilco 'til about 2 or 3 weeks ago I had no idea of any connection with O'Rourke. My listening tastes are usually so off the radar that even Sonic Youth barely register a blip anyway. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 14:31:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DIS8r10595; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:27:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--233078754 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FF18@lon-oxmail02> Message-Id: <5914D86A-D4FA-11D8-B615-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <1pV8JC.A.5jC.pmC9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--233078754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... b On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 06:24 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where Allen =20 > talked about using handles of surgical instruments for this effect =20 > because of the quality of the metal. (?)<< > > I've studied this in some depth over the last 25 years, though =20 > somewhat incidentally. we used to listen to allen & hillage on the =20 > gong albums, & then hillage's solo output with guys like christian =20 > boule & (yet another) dave stewart scraping away with discarded =20 > tremelo arms, it looked like. > > in 1979 a guitarist I was working with explained what was going on. he = =20 > used to use a screwdriver but had terrible problems with squealing & =20= > general unpleasantness. he explained that making chord shapes was =20 > pointless because the implement doesn't just bow the strings like a =20= > violin bow would, but actually "stops" the strings aswell. it's =20 > actually a quite different effect than bowing, & might have been what =20= > godley&creme were trying to achieve with the gizmo. > > =A0 > this means you end up using an open & moveable tuning, like dropping =20= > the top E to D. also, the best results were achieved by pinching the =20= > lower three strings (E, A & D) out of the way of the implement, & =20 > rolling off most of the top.=A0 the implement has to be perpendicular = to =20 > the neck, so parallel to the fret markers & more-or-less directly over = =20 > them. &, as with a slide, the strings should never touch the neck or =20= > frets. > > the echo device used to sustain the sound (tape echo worked best) =20 > should also have it's top-end rolled off; we used to use a tape-deck =20= > with three heads for echo in those days, & it was possible to use the =20= > machine's tone controls in it's feedback loop so as to progressively =20= > attenuate the top end & get loads of repeats. the dl4 can do this =20 > quite well. > > we settled on the handle/jaw of a small set of gas-pliers, which I =20 > dismantled into two halves for the purpose. the texture of the handle =20= > area was just right, being a deliberately roughened "grip" made from =20= > chrome-vanadium. I still have the thing now somewhere. the business =20= > end of the plier & the far-end of the handle both curved neatly out of = =20 > the action area, making it easy to hold & use. > > nothing else I've tried for gliss-guitar has been anything like as =20 > effective. > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > > = ***********************************************************************=20= > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > = ***********************************************************************=20= > **** > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-6--233078754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... b On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 06:24 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>I seem to recall an interview a million years ago, where Allen talked about using handles of surgical instruments for this effect because of the quality of the metal. (?)<<<< I've studied this in some depth over the last 25 years, though somewhat incidentally. we used to listen to allen & hillage on the gong albums, & then hillage's solo output with guys like christian boule & (yet another) dave stewart scraping away with discarded tremelo arms, it looked like. in 1979 a guitarist I was working with explained what was going on. he used to use a screwdriver but had terrible problems with squealing & general unpleasantness. he explained that making chord shapes was pointless because the implement doesn't just bow the strings like a violin bow would, but actually "stops" the strings aswell. it's actually a quite different effect than bowing, & might have been what godley&creme were trying to achieve with the = gizmo. =A0 this means you end up using an open & moveable tuning, like dropping the top E to D. also, the best results were achieved by pinching the lower three strings (E, A & D) out of the way of the implement, & rolling off most of the top.=A0 the implement has to be perpendicular to the neck, so parallel to the fret markers & more-or-less directly over them. &, as with a slide, the strings should never touch the neck or frets. the echo device used to sustain the sound (tape echo worked best) should also have it's top-end rolled off; we used to use a tape-deck with three heads for echo in those days, & it was possible to use the machine's tone controls in it's feedback loop so as to progressively attenuate the top end & get loads of repeats. the dl4 can do this quite well. we settled on the handle/jaw of a small set of gas-pliers, which I dismantled into two halves for the purpose. the texture of the handle area was just right, being a deliberately roughened "grip" made from chrome-vanadium. I still have the thing now somewhere. the business end of the plier & the far-end of the handle both curved neatly out of the action area, making it easy to hold & use. nothing else I've tried for gliss-guitar has been anything like as effective. duncan/r.m.i. = ***********************************************************= **************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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MTV Networks Europe = **************************************************************************= * bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-6--233078754-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 14:56:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DItWS21846; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040713185516.17687.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Nels Cline touring with Wilco? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <115.3509564c.2e25814b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > B, > > In a message dated 7/13/04 9:33:45 AM, > bruce@skeletonhome.com writes: > > >i think jim o'rourke beat him to it, a couple years > ago... > >check out yankee hotel foxtrot as well as a ghost > is born. > > Perhaps you're right. Being basically unfamiliar > with Wilco > 'til about 2 or 3 weeks ago I had no idea of any > connection > with O'Rourke. My listening tastes are usually so > off the > radar that even Sonic Youth barely register a blip > anyway. I've seen both Cline and O'Rourke play live and those two are about as different as guitarists can get. Cline is probably more versatile though. My hat's off to him for getting the higher-profile gig and hopefully taking home a little more pocket change. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 14:58:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DItUX21833; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:55:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Performance Announcement: San Francisco: July 16 and 20 From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <28B8307A-D4FE-11D8-B419-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to announce two looping cello performances in the near future: 1) The first is at the Rx Gallery on July 16. I'll be opening up for an English group called Gravenhurst. The music is lovely, Nick Drake-meets-Charles Atlas. more about Gravenhurst here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A2799606 Friday, July 16 Rx 132 Eddy Street San Francissco, CA 5 to 7 clams doors are at 9:00 2) The second is on an all-loopers bill at the Club Deluxe on Haight Street, Tuesday July 20. There will be three of us performing our solo looping thing: myself on cello, bass player cj boyd, and stunning Chapman stick virtuoso Alex Nahas. 8:00 pm - CJ Boyd (http://www.cjboyd.com/) 9:00 pm - Alex Nahas (http://www.laughingstocksf.com/) 10:00 pm - Zoe Keating (http://www.zoekeating.com) Tuesday, July 20 Club Deluxe 1509-11 Haight St. (Haight @ Ashbury) San Francisco, CA 94117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 15:13:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DJAr129021; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:10:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:10:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:10:17 -0700 Message-ID: <40A02C8500023634@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <200407121538.AA829817124@mail.unitcircle.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: streaming live shows To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6DJANh28835 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com streaming directly from your own machine will be ok, if the line you are on has the bandwidth to serve all the listeners you might have, but, it's been my experience that the bandwidth is never enough... I don't know if you've seen my gig announcements here, but the band I am in plays about once a month on the internet... as well, I've been involved in streaming audio since about '97 and I'd be glad to talk about the details with you offlist.. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:38:23 -0400 >From: "Kevin Goldsmith" >Reply-To: >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" >Subject: Re: streaming live shows > > >You can stream directly from a Windows machine using the free Windows Media >encoder software. I've often seen this used to webcast shows at venues. > > Kevin > >disclaimer: I was on the team that wrote v7 of the encoder. > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >Reply-To: >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:58:22 +0200 > >>I'm currently negotiating with a place regarding a possible looping live >>show. This place has a DSL internet access (don't have information about >>bandwith yet). >> >>I'd like to ask you whether any of you has experience with streaming live >>shows on the internet. From what I understand, you basically need two things >>(technically): >> >>a) a stream source, which encodes the received audio (e.g. from an audio >>input on the computer) and sends it out to a server. Bandwith requirement: >>what it takes to transmit the stream. Example: SimpleCast >>b) a stream server, which receives the audio stream from the source (a) >and >>sends it to the audients. Bandwith requirement: the stream times the >>audients. Example Icecast. >>c) possible relay servers, which take a stream from a server (b) and send >it >>out to the audients. >> >>Specifically, I'd like to know whether you know of any affordable (read: >>free si possible :-) services doing the (b) part? Also, any hints regarding >>the software for (a) would be appreciated (windows platform). >> >>Thanks, >> >> Rainer >> >>Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill >>Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >>The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de >>digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >>Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de >> >> > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address >Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com >------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 15:40:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DJcxD08330; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:37:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Nels Cline touring with Wilco From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040713185516.17687.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i'm a BIG nels fan and he definitely adds to the 'voodoo soup' that is '$wilco$'... caught them on 'letterman' a coupla wks ago and jeff tweedy finally realizes he dont have to strum guitar w/ nels in tow- didnt see nels <16seconder> there tho'-its usually right up in front when he is stageright... fwiw s > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >> B, >> >> In a message dated 7/13/04 9:33:45 AM, >> bruce@skeletonhome.com writes: >> >>> i think jim o'rourke beat him to it, a couple years >> ago... >>> check out yankee hotel foxtrot as well as a ghost >> is born. >> >> Perhaps you're right. Being basically unfamiliar >> with Wilco >> 'til about 2 or 3 weeks ago I had no idea of any >> connection >> with O'Rourke. My listening tastes are usually so >> off the >> radar that even Sonic Youth barely register a blip >> anyway. > > I've seen both Cline and O'Rourke play live and those > two are about as different as guitarists can get. > Cline is probably more versatile though. My hat's > off to him for getting the higher-profile gig and > hopefully taking home a little more pocket change. > > Paolo > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 16:32:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DKPm128528; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:25:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <48.2e1c3c3d.2e255bd2@aol.com> References: <48.2e1c3c3d.2e255bd2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Nels Cline touring with Wilco? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:25:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <7u5ov.A.z6G.8UE9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Anywho, imagine my shock/joy that he's gotten a gig > playing with Wilco on their current tour supporting the gotta say, I've seen video of him playing with Mike Watt, and I have a couple of his solo albums and it's nice to see him finally get some major-league recognition. he's a solid player with an open mind. though musically i'd rather see him explore that organ trio he played with once, instead of tour with Wilco. Stanitarium, did you hear about that organ gig? i know you're a big Nels fan. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 17:01:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DKxC011453; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:59:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <696BEA15-D50F-11D8-BA62-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: Nels Cline (of the Geraldine Fibbers) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:58:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow am I dreaming or did a conversation about Nels Cline start up on the LD list? I'm glad to know that there are others on this list who know of him and even happier to see that we are fans. I think he is undeniably amazing. I was always a huge fan of the Geraldine Fibbers ever since Carla Bozulich started the band, after leaving Ethyl Meatplow. I didn't get to see them live until after the album "Butch" came out with Nels playing on it and touring with it. Ever since then I have been a fan. He even gave me a copy of his solo album titled "Chest" and that only furthered my love for his art. Years latter I was helping run a small all-ages club in central California called The Don. We got Carla Bozulich and The Nels Cline Singers to perform there one night. The Nels Cline Singers put on an incredible show and then Carla joined them and they did a cover of the entire Willie Nelson album "The Red headed Stranger". It was a very special night. We flyered for 50 miles in every direction, posted on every related site we could think of, and even got a couple of radio ads in. And in the end they played for me and my friends. A total of maybe 12 people showed up. But they had a great time and we did too. The band that night was Nels with his Jaguar (given to him by Mike Watt) and a floor full of pedals, ....oh, and a lapsteel. Devin Hoff on Double Bass, and Scott Amandola on Drums, with just as many pedals as Nels had. Lots of sound scapes make that night, definitely some looping going on. ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 17:18:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DLAco15562; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F44EC5.3000207@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:06:14 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline (of the Geraldine Fibbers) References: <696BEA15-D50F-11D8-BA62-000393D7CC50@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <696BEA15-D50F-11D8-BA62-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_fd3KD.A.rtD.O-E9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great story, John. Mike Watt was my first exposure to Nels, and since then he has become my favorite guitarist. His range is astounding (from abstract ambient, to free jazz, to pop stuff), his technique is unbelievable, and his use of the EH-16 is a blast, just a great melding of looping in the context of melodic playing. He's also really humble and has a great sense of humor. AND he's almost 50 and still rocks out completely. I can't describe completely what an effect he's had on me in the last few years. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Wow am I dreaming or did a conversation about Nels Cline start up on > the LD list? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 17:21:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DLCST16228; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:11:53 EDT Subject: Re: Nels Cline (of the Geraldine Fibbers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a9.5c493c8e.2e25aa19_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a9.5c493c8e.2e25aa19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nels is incredibly cool. I'm glad for him w/ Wilco. I hope it helps his career. =-) PJ --part1_a9.5c493c8e.2e25aa19_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nels is in= credibly cool. I'm glad for him w/ Wilco. I hope it helps his career. =3D-)=20= PJ --part1_a9.5c493c8e.2e25aa19_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 17:30:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DLPfv21158; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040713212451.31470.qmail@web53706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Steve Howe's car right here in my own backyard! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1849124041-1089753891=:31058" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1849124041-1089753891=:31058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is my profound pleasure and privilege to announce that Steve Howe's car has just turned up right here in my own funky state of Pennsylvania!That's right,the very same Mercedes that Howe has driven himself cross-country in on many YES tours, however mileage-ridden, is going up for auction not far from where I am right now. My German music teacher wanted to bid on it but it's got mondo mileage and expected to go for a very big obscene amount of money.So we just sat around in horrible humid 95 degree weather and played Roundabout instead- in honor of Steve's car!...Coincidentally I have also been in the process of designing a series of YES-inspired "mod-prog-fantasy"guitars that we are hoping to interest YES in so I'm taking this as a good omen on that. If my London people expect me to, like, camp out at the carsite with my drawings or something I'll be sure to pass on that recent Looper invitation to Mr. Howe - or at least his valet or cartech! On behalf of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania I will say: "Steve Howe's car dudes, no way!...Way!...Steve Howe's car right here in PA....WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!!!" Cheers, Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-1849124041-1089753891=:31058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It is my profound pleasure and privilege to announce that   Steve Howe's car has just turned up right here in my own
funky state of Pennsylvania!That's right,the very same
Mercedes that Howe has driven himself cross-country in on many
YES tours, however mileage-ridden, is going up for auction not
far from where I am right now. My German music teacher wanted
to bid on it but it's got mondo mileage and expected to go for
a very big obscene amount of money.So we just sat around in horrible humid 95 degree weather and played Roundabout instead-
in honor of Steve's car!...Coincidentally I have also been in
the process of designing a series of YES-inspired
"mod-prog-fantasy"guitars that we are hoping to interest YES in
so I'm taking this as a good omen on that. If my London people expect me to, like, camp out at the carsite with my drawings or something I'll be sure to pass on that recent Looper invitation to Mr. Howe - or at least his valet or cartech! On behalf of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania I will say: "Steve Howe's car dudes, no way!...Way!...Steve Howe's car right here in PA....WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!!!"
 
Cheers,
Monica

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-1849124041-1089753891=:31058-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 17:39:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6DLbch25465; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <80.106d98f2.2e25aec3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:31:47 EDT Subject: Re: Nels Cline (of the Geraldine Fibbers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6DLavh25245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, In a message dated 7/13/04 1:59:21 PM, jarofjam@mac.com writes: >Wow am I dreaming or did a conversation about Nels Cline start up on >the LD list? Nope. Several ... ahem ... years back ... ahem ... Nels used to "run" the "New Music Night" program at the Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, California. I frequented the place as an audient and as a performer on several occasions. Nels is a swell guy. He was always very encouraging -- even to musical wannabe punters such as meself. He'd sit at the bar with you after your set and say such nice things (and make you believe he really meant 'em too). Then he'd take the stage (sometime 'round midnight) and close the place out with his trio -- playing such wonderful, blistering, sweet, madness as to make you laugh, cry jump up and down and holler for more all at the same time. He's an awesome talent. Like they say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 20:08:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E04nv01474; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407131858.i6DIwAB22835@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407131858.i6DIwAB22835@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--212875493 Message-Id: <632A01E2-D529-11D8-B006-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:04:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--212875493 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Gizmotron could produce a similar effect as the sustainer-type devices, but I believe you could affect each string independently and on the fly. There was an on/off button for each string which activated a rotating rubber disk for that string, producing a bowing effect. The Sustainer doesn't offer that level of control. TravisH On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: bruce tovsky > Date: July 13, 2004 11:27:50 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > > on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 > and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar > with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the > gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... > b --Apple-Mail-1--212875493 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII The Gizmotron could produce a similar effect as the sustainer-type devices, but I believe you could affect each string independently and on the fly. There was an on/off button for each string which activated a rotating rubber disk for that string, producing a bowing effect. The Sustainer doesn't offer that level of control. TravisH On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: bruce tovsky < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 13, 2004 11:27:50 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... b --Apple-Mail-1--212875493-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 20:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E08Aw02343; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:08:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:08:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:07:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Nels Cline (of the Geraldine Fibbers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <80.106d98f2.2e25aec3@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 02:31 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > John, > > In a message dated 7/13/04 1:59:21 PM, jarofjam@mac.com writes: > >> Wow am I dreaming or did a conversation about Nels Cline start up on >> the LD list? > > Nope. Several ... ahem ... years back ... ahem ... Nels used to "run" > the "New Music Night" program at the Alligator Lounge in Santa > Monica, California. I frequented the place as an audient and as > a performer on several occasions. Nels is a swell guy. He was > always very encouraging -- even to musical wannabe punters such > as meself. He'd sit at the bar with you after your set and say > such nice things (and make you believe he really meant 'em too). > Then he'd take the stage (sometime 'round midnight) and close > the place out with his trio -- playing such wonderful, blistering, > sweet, madness as to make you laugh, cry jump up and down > and holler for more all at the same time. He's an awesome talent. > > Like they say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. > > Indeed! My first exposure to Nels was with the Vinny Golia Quintet, with his brother Alex on drums, Golia on virtually every instrument with a reed, Ken Filiano on bass and my then-professor Rob Blakeslee on trumpet. I saw them on tour in Eugene, OR, and I left with a permanently blown mind. Over the years, I'd see him just about every time he came through the NorthWest. My band Minus opened for his trio a few times, and one of the greatest compliments I ever got was when he said we were "evil." Saw him with Mike Watt as well, as well as his "cover" on Interstellar Space with Greg Bendian. Cline is one of those rare musicians that can play in almost any context and fit perfectly while still making an individual statement. It's cool that he got the Wilco gig, and I think he'll make Wilco a cooler band as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 20:33:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E0W4u07889; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040713172926.00b1f3b8@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:31:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" From: Sony Felberg Subject: Re: streaming live shows In-Reply-To: <40A02C8500023634@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <200407121538.AA829817124@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to calculate connections for the event its; Total BW/encode rate = total connection for example if you have 220 kbps out and encode at 20 kbps you can connect 11 players. keep in mind network overhard. cap the servers BW at -20% of total. At 12:10 PM 7/13/2004, Chris Roberts wrote: >streaming directly from your own machine will be ok, if the line you are >on has the bandwidth to serve all the listeners you might have, but, it's >been my experience that the bandwidth is never enough... > >I don't know if you've seen my gig announcements here, but the band I am >in plays about once a month on the internet... as well, I've been involved >in streaming audio since about '97 and I'd be glad to talk about the details >with you offlist.. :) > >peace >-cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:38:23 -0400 > >From: "Kevin Goldsmith" > >Reply-To: > >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List > (E-mail)" > >Subject: Re: streaming live shows > > > > > >You can stream directly from a Windows machine using the free Windows Media > >encoder software. I've often seen this used to webcast shows at venues. > > > > Kevin > > > >disclaimer: I was on the team that wrote v7 of the encoder. > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > >Reply-To: > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:58:22 +0200 > > > >>I'm currently negotiating with a place regarding a possible looping live > >>show. This place has a DSL internet access (don't have information about > >>bandwith yet). > >> > >>I'd like to ask you whether any of you has experience with streaming live > >>shows on the internet. From what I understand, you basically need two >things > >>(technically): > >> > >>a) a stream source, which encodes the received audio (e.g. from an audio > >>input on the computer) and sends it out to a server. Bandwith requirement: > >>what it takes to transmit the stream. Example: SimpleCast > >>b) a stream server, which receives the audio stream from the source (a) > >and > >>sends it to the audients. Bandwith requirement: the stream times the > >>audients. Example Icecast. > >>c) possible relay servers, which take a stream from a server (b) and send > >it > >>out to the audients. > >> > >>Specifically, I'd like to know whether you know of any affordable (read: > >>free si possible :-) services doing the (b) part? Also, any hints regarding > >>the software for (a) would be appreciated (windows platform). > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >> Rainer > >> > >>Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > >>Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > >>The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > >>digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > >>Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > >> > >> > > > >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address > >Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 20:52:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E0nML11777; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040713174102.00bb74e8@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:49:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sony Felberg Subject: looking for feed back Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am looking for feedback, please. Below is a link to a song from my current project. I think it's tracked, but before checking it off and sending it to the mix Q, I'd like to get some feed back. If you have a few minutes, I'd appreciate it. TX! http://chickiboom.com/records/current/download/sdf09.mp3 This is the most advent' project I have ever done From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 21:32:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E1VLd22576; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <632A01E2-D529-11D8-B006-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200407131858.i6DIwAB22835@hemlock.violacea.com> <632A01E2-D529-11D8-B006-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--207720427 Message-Id: <63D29981-D535-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:30:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-11--207720427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Are there any Gizmotron users around here? In particular, did it/could it work on bass? I know, I know, the answer is probably STFW, but I'd love to hear any first-hand impressions from people on this list. thanks, Alex S. On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The Gizmotron could produce a similar effect as the sustainer-type > devices, but I believe you could affect each string independently and > on the fly. There was an on/off button for each string which > activated a rotating rubber disk for that string, producing a bowing > effect. The Sustainer doesn't offer that level of control. > > TravisH > > On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:58 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> From: bruce tovsky >> Date: July 13, 2004 11:27:50 AM PDT >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar >> >> >> on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 >> and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar >> with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the >> gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... >> b --Apple-Mail-11--207720427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Are there any Gizmotron users around here? In particular, did it/could it work on bass? I know, I know, the answer is probably STFW, but I'd love to hear any first-hand impressions from people on this list. thanks, Alex S. On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: The Gizmotron could produce a similar effect as the sustainer-type devices, but I believe you could affect each string independently and on the fly. There was an on/off button for each string which activated a rotating rubber disk for that string, producing a bowing effect. The Sustainer doesn't offer that level of control. TravisH On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: bruce tovsky < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 13, 2004 11:27:50 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... b --Apple-Mail-11--207720427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 21:52:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E1mhO26657; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Gizmotron work on bass? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:47:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <63D29981-D535-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Thread-Index: AcRpQnoShPIx0YAdTL2JpQqe6damWAAAbyHA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040714014745.MLSG20755.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe the answer is STFA--as in archives BTW, Kim hates HTML. Gary PS The short answer is, Not in a production model. G From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Are there any Gizmotron users around here? In particular, did it/could it work on bass? I know, I know, the answer is probably STFW, but I'd love to hear any first-hand impressions from people on this list. thanks, Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 13 22:51:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E2n6W10335; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040714024847.96868.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: re: Nels Cline To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nope. Several ... ahem ... years back ... ahem ... >Nels used to "run" >the "New Music Night" program at the Alligator Lounge >in Santa >Monica, California. I frequented the place as an >audient and as >a performer on several occasions. Nels is a swell guy. >He was >always very encouraging -- even to musical wannabe >punters such >as meself. Yeup - Nels is definitely a wonderful soul. I have a postcard up on the bulletin board in my kitchen that he sent me with some kind words regarding music that sort of starts my day every morning - I have a few Wilco bootlegs of the recent tour and I am a bit disappointed in Nels participation. I was probably expecting too much from it though. I guess a guy like him can't really stretch out all that much in the context of Wilco but I seem to prefer Bennets contributions to the live sound more so than Nels. And how about that Letterman performance - Nels in front of a Marshal Halfstack :) But it's nice to see him get a nice paycheck and exposure from a situation like this. I can't wait until he comes back home for some more local shows and maybe some more Carla gigs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 01:10:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E593h05574; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407140152.i6E1qir27623@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407140152.i6E1qir27623@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--194619163 Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:08:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <1cpCZC.A.yWB.k_L9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--194619163 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There was indeed a bass version (four bowing discs, spaced for bass strings), or at least a picture of one in an ad I've got somewhere around here, and I believe one was on eBay a couple of years ago (not in working order). In principle, there's no reason why it wouldn't work on bass, except for the fact that it was difficult to get working at all. Gizmotrons are rare, rare, rare. TravisH On Jul 13, 2004, at 6:52 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Alex Stahl > Date: July 13, 2004 6:30:29 PM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > > Are there any Gizmotron users around here? In particular, did it/could > it work on bass? I know, I know, the answer is probably STFW, but I'd > love to hear any first-hand impressions from people on this list. > > thanks, > > Alex S. --Apple-Mail-2--194619163 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII There was indeed a bass version (four bowing discs, spaced for bass strings), or at least a picture of one in an ad I've got somewhere around here, and I believe one was on eBay a couple of years ago (not in working order). In principle, there's no reason why it wouldn't work on bass, except for the fact that it was difficult to get working at all. Gizmotrons are rare, rare, rare. TravisH On Jul 13, 2004, at 6:52 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: Alex Stahl < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 13, 2004 6:30:29 PM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Are there any Gizmotron users around here? In particular, did it/could it work on bass? I know, I know, the answer is probably STFW, but I'd love to hear any first-hand impressions from people on this list. thanks, Alex S. --Apple-Mail-2--194619163-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 05:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6E9KZh11449; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: Gizmo - was Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:20:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4698C.25CA2840" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2004 09:20:14.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[C53DA400:01C46983] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4698C.25CA2840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dig out a copy of Art Thompson's Stompbox book for the inside story of the Gizmotron. It was the straw that broke Musitronics back apparently, founder Aaron Newman; "The beginning of the end for us was around '77 when we got involved with a thing called the Gizmotron. It was an electromechanical bowing device brought to us by a sales rep who knew someone in the band 10cc. The Gizmotron as invented by band members Lol Creme & Kevin Godley, & they'd used it for the string-sounding parts on their hit "I'm Not in Love". The only problem was that Lol was the only person who could actually play the thing. We were blown away by the Gizmo's potential but in hindsighte shuld have realized that it couldn't work. The Gizmo had some physical limitations that you couldn't really overcome. For instance, we found if we made them during the winter, they wouldn't work properly in hot weather. It was the characteristics of the plastics and none of us were plastics engineers. We were out of our realm." Lack of sufficient funds drove them to sell off Musitronics to ARP (themselves suffering from the Avatar's commercial failure) and concentrate on Gizmo Incorporated until Aaron suffered a heart attack and decided to call it a day. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 02/07/2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4698C.25CA2840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dig=20 out a copy of Art Thompson's Stompbox book for the inside story of the=20 Gizmotron. It was the straw that broke Musitronics back = apparently,=20 founder Aaron Newman;
 
"The=20 beginning of the end for us was around '77 when we got involved with a = thing=20 called the Gizmotron. It was an electromechanical bowing device brought = to us=20 by a sales rep who knew someone in the band 10cc. The Gizmotron as=20 invented by band members Lol Creme & Kevin Godley, & = they'd=20 used it for the string-sounding parts on their hit "I'm Not in Love". = The only=20 problem was that Lol was the only person who could actually play the = thing. We=20 were blown away by the Gizmo's potential but in hindsighte shuld have=20 realized that it couldn't work. The Gizmo had some physical = limitations=20 that you couldn't really overcome. For instance, we found if we = made them=20 during the winter, they wouldn't work properly in hot weather. It was = the=20 characteristics of the plastics and none of us were plastics engineers. = We were=20 out of our realm."
 
Lack=20 of sufficient funds drove them to sell off Musitronics to ARP = (themselves=20 suffering from the Avatar's commercial failure) and concentrate on Gizmo = Incorporated until Aaron suffered a heart attack and decided to call it = a=20 day.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C4698C.25CA2840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 10:25:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EENSb18102; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:22:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--161387223 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <632A01E2-D529-11D8-B006-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: <44907822-D5A1-11D8-BB6B-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--161387223 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed well, i'd challenge that remark a bit. i've found that the sustainer offers an impressive level of control, particularly when using the harmonics switch, which allows the user to choose fundamental, octave or a combination of the two. one downside to sustainer technique is the inability to press the string driving element closer to the strings, something i do a lot with my ebow - even to the point of getting rattles from the ebow touching the strings. having the ability to sustain chords, etc., does ameliorate this drawback significantly, imho. of course, every device has its advantages and disadvantages, and never having actually played a gizmo (only seen it played) i can't comment on it. for me the big advantage of the sustainer system is that you do it all with your fingers on the strings (except for the harmonic switch) - no pressing buttons on the gizmo or perfecting the string switching move with the ebow - just muting and unmuting strings. disclaimer: i am in no way compensated for these remarks. 8-) best bruce On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 08:04 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The Gizmotron could produce a similar effect as the sustainer-type > devices, but I believe you could affect each string independently and > on the fly. There was an on/off button for each string which > activated a rotating rubber disk for that string, producing a bowing > effect. The Sustainer doesn't offer that level of control. > > TravisH > > On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:58 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> From: bruce tovsky >> Date: July 13, 2004 11:27:50 AM PDT >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar >> >> >> on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 >> and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar >> with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the >> gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... >> b bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-4--161387223 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII well, i'd challenge that remark a bit. i've found that the sustainer offers an impressive level of control, particularly when using the harmonics switch, which allows the user to choose fundamental, octave or a combination of the two. one downside to sustainer technique is the inability to press the string driving element closer to the strings, something i do a lot with my ebow - even to the point of getting rattles from the ebow touching the strings. having the ability to sustain chords, etc., does ameliorate this drawback significantly, imho. of course, every device has its advantages and disadvantages, and never having actually played a gizmo (only seen it played) i can't comment on it. for me the big advantage of the sustainer system is that you do it all with your fingers on the strings (except for the harmonic switch) - no pressing buttons on the gizmo or perfecting the string switching move with the ebow - just muting and unmuting strings. disclaimer: i am in no way compensated for these remarks. 8-) best bruce On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 08:04 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: The Gizmotron could produce a similar effect as the sustainer-type devices, but I believe you could affect each string independently and on the fly. There was an on/off button for each string which activated a rotating rubber disk for that string, producing a bowing effect. The Sustainer doesn't offer that level of control. TravisH On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: bruce tovsky < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 13, 2004 11:27:50 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar on a related note, wild fun can be had with a bottleneck, a dl4 and a fernandez sustainer guitar, which essentially is a guitar with a built-in ebow for all 6 strings. accomplishes what the gizmo was going for, with out the messy huge box over the bridge... b bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-4--161387223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 10:43:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EEeRN24497; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <44907822-D5A1-11D8-BB6B-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> References: <44907822-D5A1-11D8-BB6B-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:40:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:22 AM, bruce tovsky wrote: > one downside to sustainer technique is the inability to press the > string driving element closer to the strings, something i do a lot > with my ebow - even to the point of getting rattles from the ebow > touching the strings Bruce, this is one of my favorite techniques, and for me is an essential part of what makes the eBow expressive. I also move the eBow towards and away from the pickups for dynamics, or side to side / up and down for an almost tremolo effect. Chords would be cool, but I still think the eBow adds a lot of options for such a cheap and simple device that can be used on any instrument. From what I have read about the Gizmotron, it sounds like it would have been an amazing device. I think everyone agrees that an eBow doesn't really sound like bowed strings, but from what I have read the Gizmotron actually comes much closer, which makes sense as the mechanism is closer to an actual bow on string. I like having options and different colors to work with so I wish I could have such a device in my arsenal. I hate "vintage" stuff though, so buying a used one is out of the question for me. Has anyone here mentioned Sustainiac sustainers? They have two models, one like the home made "wall speaker" device mentioned earlier in the thread and another like the one on Fernandes guitars. BTW, if no one has said it yet, With or Without You by U2 has Infinite guitar on it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 11:47:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EFdEJ15702; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Signing off for world tour :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be offline starting tomorrow until the 24th. Back then. Feel free to buy lots of CDs while I'm gone and I'll fill all the orders ASAP upon my return :) Thanks D_ __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." NEW! - Online Catalog with paypal. Buy Hip Avant/Experimental Music instantly. Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com/catalog.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 12:28:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EGPst05129; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Gizmo - was Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:25:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C469C7.9B8AA6A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2004 16:25:51.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A5474E0:01C469BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C469C7.9B8AA6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...and I've just remembered, Godley & Creme made a concept album to show off the Gizmo, I've never heard it (or know of anyone who did), AMG says; "This album, the solo debut of former 10cc members Kevin Godley and Lol Creme, is generally considered to be one of the most notorious examples of '70s music-business excess. Consequences began its life as a single designed to show off the "gizmo," a musical device created by Godley & Creme that allowed an electric guitar to create symphonic-sounding textures when attached to its neck. Somewhere along the line, this single blew up into a triple-disc concept album about nature taking its revenge on mankind through hurricanes, floods, and the like. The first disc is almost entirely instrumental, using the ‘gizmo' to create all sorts of different textures as a hurricane dubbed “Honolulu Lulu" trashes Hawaii and heads for the United States." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 02/07/2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C469C7.9B8AA6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...and=20 I've just remembered, Godley & Creme made a concept album to show = off the=20 Gizmo, I've never heard it (or know of anyone who did), AMG=20 says;
"This album, the solo debut of = former 10cc members Kevin Godley and Lol Creme, is generally considered = to be one=20 of the most notorious examples of '70s music-business excess.=20 Consequences began its life as a single designed to show off the = "gizmo,"=20 a musical device created by Godley & Creme that allowed an electric = guitar=20 to create symphonic-sounding textures when attached to its neck. = Somewhere along=20 the line, this single blew up into a triple-disc concept album about = nature=20 taking its revenge on mankind through hurricanes, floods, and the like. = The=20 first disc is almost entirely instrumental, using the =91gizmo' to = create all=20 sorts of different textures as a hurricane dubbed =93Honolulu Lulu" = trashes Hawaii=20 and heads for the United States."
 
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C469C7.9B8AA6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 12:45:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EGaTM09582; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:36:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:35:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Bruce, this is one of my favorite techniques, and for me is an > essential part of what makes the eBow expressive. I also move the > eBow towards and away from the pickups for dynamics, or side to side / > up and down for an almost tremolo effect. Chords would be cool, but I > still think the eBow adds a lot of options for such a cheap and simple > device that can be used on any instrument. no argument from me. i still use my original silver ebow that i've had for over 25 years, definitely the most expressive single-string electronic bowing device made. > > From what I have read about the Gizmotron, it sounds like it would > have been an amazing device. I think everyone agrees that an eBow > doesn't really sound like bowed strings, but from what I have read the > Gizmotron actually comes much closer, which makes sense as the > mechanism is closer to an actual bow on string. I like having options > and different colors to work with so I wish I could have such a device > in my arsenal. I hate "vintage" stuff though, so buying a used one is > out of the question for me. well, sometimes you just need to use a real bow. i've had great results bowing my acoustic lap guitar, particularly tuned down to a B - love those low tones.... and for extended bowing techniques nothing beats a real bow for those frictiony sounds... great palette of textures. > > Has anyone here mentioned Sustainiac sustainers? They have two > models, one like the home made "wall speaker" device mentioned earlier > in the thread and another like the one on Fernandes guitars. i believe kramer also made a line of sustainers, functionally similar to the fernandez models. > > BTW, if no one has said it yet, With or Without You by U2 has Infinite > guitar on it. also, check out michael brook, who i believe coined the term "infinite guitar." bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 13:11:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EH7vq25356; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <4yiH-D.A.vJG.VhW9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could not agree more. I've got one of those too, as well as a jimbow "dulcimer bow" that they sell at elderly instruments. It's a small hand held bow that is arched so you can play the individual strings of a dulcimer, but I use it on everything, guitar, bass, dulcimer. I may have to try your low B on a lap guitar. Are you using a Wessinborn style guitar for that or a resonator guitar, or something else entirely? My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier build me a modern arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like a cello. Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the cello. The nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the tuning is the same as a guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, and it has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of fret reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is totally unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some work to be done on bowing technique, but I think most guitarists could handle this with a little practice. I think if a company came out with an "electric" version of such an instrument that was not too expensive it could be wildly popular. Think of how many guitarists own several guitars, and how most guitarists are to some degree or another in search of that illusive sustain and "bowed string" sound. If such an instrument would not break the bank I think plenty of guitarists would pick up one of these instruments instead of that second strat or a new les paul. So far my research into such an instrument has only turned up options that cost several thousand dollars, which is not an option for me (and for many guitarists). I think a mass produced, sub-$1000.00 instrument like this would sell like hot cakes, and someday I may try to make this a reality if I can get the resources together and meet the "right" people as I sense a 'collective yearning' for such an instrument from many guitarists. ;0) On Jul 14, 2004, at 12:35 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > well, sometimes you just need to use a real bow. i've had great results > bowing my acoustic lap guitar, particularly tuned down to a B - love > those > low tones.... and for extended bowing techniques nothing beats a real > bow > for those frictiony sounds... great palette of textures. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 13:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EHKGZ29862; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> References: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <756808B2-D5B9-11D8-9F3B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:15:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <6dGboD.A.tPH.osW9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When was the last time you bought a hot cake? Mark On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:07 AM, DJ wrote: > I think a mass produced, sub-$1000.00 instrument like this would sell > like hot cakes, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 13:25:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EHNqL31653; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <756808B2-D5B9-11D8-9F3B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <756808B2-D5B9-11D8-9F3B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C921926-D5BA-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:23:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <1CqQTC.A.ktH.fwW9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This morning. Ummm yummy! On Jul 14, 2004, at 1:15 PM, msottilaro wrote: > When was the last time you bought a hot cake? > > Mark > > On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:07 AM, DJ wrote: > >> I think a mass produced, sub-$1000.00 instrument like this would sell >> like hot cakes, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 13:27:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EHLMR30393; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Nels Cline Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c469c6$d22a11b0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040714024847.96868.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I just 'discovered' Wilco, and have really enjoyed Yankee Hotel, and the latest one (a little less) and Summer Teeth has grown on me more and more. Hearing that a player such as Nels is joining them gives the 'stamp of approval' to this 'guilty pleasure' (so to speak :-) NG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 13:36:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EHXqN04303; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:33:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:33:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:33:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 01:07 PM, DJ wrote: > Could not agree more. I've got one of those too, as well as a jimbow > "dulcimer bow" that they sell at elderly instruments. It's a small > hand held bow that is arched so you can play the individual strings of > a dulcimer, but I use it on everything, guitar, bass, dulcimer. I may > have to try your low B on a lap guitar. Are you using a Wessinborn > style guitar for that or a resonator guitar, or something else > entirely? for acoustic i use a circa 1930's oahu jumbo square neck lap guitar. basically a jumbo acoustic with solid square neck, no resonator. they were sold as companions to a mail-order hawaiian guitar lesson course, and if memory serves me were made by regal. for electric i have an oahu tonemaster lap steel. both have been "scipioized" by my pick for world's best guitar restorer/luthier: flip scipio. (thanks again flip!) the oahu acoustic has a highlander pickup built into the bridge which sounds awesome, natural with out that piezo twang. the dulcimer bow sounds interesting - my friend elliot sharp has a handmade bow that is similar. i've got to check that out. best bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 13:48:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EHlVg10154; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F5702E.4080802@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:02 -0400 From: John McIntyre Reply-To: mcintyre@pa.msu.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar References: <200407131858.i6DIwAB22835@hemlock.violacea.com> <632A01E2-D529-11D8-B006-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <63D29981-D535-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> In-Reply-To: <63D29981-D535-11D8-8487-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex Stahl wrote: > Are there any Gizmotron users around here? In particular, did it/could > it work on bass? I know, I know, the answer is probably STFW, but I'd > love to hear any first-hand impressions from people on this list. > Yes, there was a Bass Gizmotron. I bought four of them at close out prices. It's not perfect: the teeth on the wheels wear down. But I know of nothing else that does what it does. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 14:12:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EI7ma20348; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:07:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1351121.1089828421471.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:07:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gizmo - was Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6EI72h20031 Resent-Message-ID: <5Hh_aB.A.W5E.HZX9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a copy that I picked up used, but I've never listened to it, since I don't have a record player any more. "Consequences" is now available on CD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005LNJH/qid=1089828271/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl15/002-8912543-9854454?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:25:44 +0100 From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Gizmo - was Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C469C7.9B8AA6A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C469C7.9B8AA6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...and I've just remembered, Godley & Creme made a concept album to show off the Gizmo, I've never heard it (or know of anyone who did), AMG says; "This album, the solo debut of former 10cc members Kevin Godley and Lol Creme, is generally considered to be one of the most notorious examples of '70s music-business excess. Consequences began its life as a single designed to show off the "gizmo," a musical device created by Godley & Creme that allowed an electric guitar to create symphonic-sounding textures when attached to its neck. Somewhere along the line, this single blew up into a triple-disc concept album about nature taking its revenge on mankind through hurricanes, floods, and the like. The first disc is almost entirely instrumental, using the ā€˜gizmo' to create all sorts of different textures as a hurricane dubbed ā€œHonolulu Lulu" trashes Hawaii and heads for the United States." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 14:21:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EIETO23710; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <23693790.1089828858352.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:14:18 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah: the Botar http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm About $US2500. Oof! TravisH Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 From: DJ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier build me a modern arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like a cello. Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the cello. The nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the tuning is the same as a guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, and it has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of fret reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is totally unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some work to be done on bowing technique, but I think most guitarists could handle this with a little practice. I think if a company came out with an "electric" version of such an instrument that was not too expensive it could be wildly popular. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 15:01:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EIwMA11680; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040714185751.84297.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <23693790.1089828858352.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This one probably ain't much cheaper: http://bowedguitar.com/ I'm guessing we're a ways off before Musician's Friend offers cheap knockoffs of bowed guitars, just like they now have knockoffs of Music Man guitars, etc. Still, I (and Alan K no doubt) have seen this luthier hanging out on the Fiddle Forum and he seems to have really done his homework on bowed guitars and the history behind them. Paolo --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Ah: the Botar > > http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm > > About $US2500. Oof! > > TravisH > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 > From: DJ > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier > build me a modern > arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like > a cello. Schubert > wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the > cello. The nice > thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the > tuning is the same as a > guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, > and it has frets, > so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of > fret reference is > not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is > totally unfamiliar. I > understand that there is still some work to be done > on bowing > technique, but I think most guitarists could handle > this with a little > practice. > > I think if a company came out with an "electric" > version of such an > instrument that was not too expensive it could be > wildly popular. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 15:12:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EJ8hh18282; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1089832110!16939630 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FF35@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gizmo Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:03:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C469D5.36106090" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C469D5.36106090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> ...and I've just remembered, Godley & Creme made a concept album to show off the Gizmo, I've never heard it (or know of anyone who did), AMG says; "This album, the solo debut of former 10cc members Kevin Godley and Lol Creme, is generally considered to be one of the most notorious examples of '70s music-business excess. Consequences began its life as a single designed to show off the "gizmo," a musical device created by Godley & Creme that allowed an electric guitar to create symphonic-sounding textures when attached to its neck. Somewhere along the line, this single blew up into a triple-disc concept album about nature taking its revenge on mankind through hurricanes, floods, and the like. The first disc is almost entirely instrumental, using the 'gizmo' to create all sorts of different textures as a hurricane dubbed "Honolulu Lulu" trashes Hawaii and heads for the United States." <<< I have this album, & the follow-up "L" on cd. "consequences" was declicked from vinyl- I don't know if there was ever an official rerelease. I never had much time for it- bit too quirky- but I will give it another spin with an ear out for the gizmo parts. I had some correspondence recently with a guy on another list who was looking for replacement wheels for his gizmo.... & I thought mellotron owners had maintenance issues! I told him the musitronics/arp story- it appeared in mark vail's vintage synth tome; the poor chap who had the heart-attack was "out-of-the-office" when the debt collectors turned up, in fact. he'd been poached from EH by g&c to work on the gizmo.... I too have seen the picture (somewhere out there on the interweb thing) of a precision bass with a gizmo. doing a google advanced search for "bass gizmotron" no longer summons it. I may have saved it somewhere.... http://www.beitec.com/articles/vintage/vintage4.html claims that bob moog was involved & that jimmy page used one on "in through the out door". hmm.... it's listed on page's gearlist elsewhere too. surpised how few google hits were anything to do with "gremlins". d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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 >>> ...and I've just remembered, Godley &a= mp; Creme made a concept album to show off the Gizmo, I've never heard it (= or know of anyone who did), AMG says;

"This album, the solo debut of former 10cc members K= evin Godley and Lol Creme, is generally considered to be one of the most no= torious examples of '70s music-business excess. Consequences began its life= as a single designed to show off the "gizmo," a musical device c= reated by Godley & Creme that allowed an electric guitar to create symp= honic-sounding textures when attached to its neck. Somewhere along the line= , this single blew up into a triple-disc concept album about nature taking = its revenge on mankind through hurricanes, floods, and the like. The first = disc is almost entirely instrumental, using the 'gizmo' to create all sorts= of different textures as a hurricane dubbed "Honolulu Lulu" tras= hes Hawaii and heads for the United States." <<<

I have this album, & the follow-up "L" on c= d. "consequences" was declicked from vinyl- I don't know if there= was ever an official rerelease. I never had much time for it- bit too quir= ky- but I will give it another spin with an ear out for the gizmo parts. I = had some correspondence recently with a guy on another list who was looking= for replacement wheels for his gizmo.... & I thought mellotron owners = had maintenance issues! I told him the musitronics/arp story- it appeared i= n mark vail's vintage synth tome; the poor chap who had the heart-attack wa= s "out-of-the-office" when the debt collectors turned up, in fact= . he'd been poached from EH by g&c to work on the gizmo....

I too have seen the picture (somewhere out there on the i= nterweb thing) of a precision bass with a gizmo. doing a google advanced se= arch for "bass gizmotron" no longer summons it. I may have saved = it somewhere....

http://www.beitec.com/articles/vintage/vintage4.h= tml claims that bob moog was involved & that jimmy page used one on= "in through the out door". hmm.... it's listed on page's gearlis= t elsewhere too.

surpised how few google hits were anything to do with &qu= ot;gremlins".

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C469D5.36106090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 15:26:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EJMRt25209; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Sarcasm is as Sarcasm Does Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:21:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <756808B2-D5B9-11D8-9F3B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRpx0PKgCyVTLIOQ226qHbepoR5kgAEEIEA Message-Id: <20040714192135.XTLQ2273.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Markie's back! G PS Hotcakes are on me . . . AKA frybread, lots of folks eat 'em . . . Pancakes, etc. G -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar When was the last time you bought a hot cake? Mark On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:07 AM, DJ wrote: > I think a mass produced, sub-$1000.00 instrument like this would sell > like hot cakes, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 15:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EJPDZ26627; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407141924.i6EJOsh26440@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE:Bowed Guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040714185751.84297.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRp1MrSYsjoQk/UT1urS4X3O9F+2QAAkopw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup if you want to bow a guitar this is the way to go check out the site for sound clips I think there on soundclick. The pricing was reasonable for a high quality handmade instrument which is almost a one off. Link to sound sample http://bowedguitar.tripod.com/therainbow.mp3 -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar This one probably ain't much cheaper: http://bowedguitar.com/ I'm guessing we're a ways off before Musician's Friend offers cheap knockoffs of bowed guitars, just like they now have knockoffs of Music Man guitars, etc. Still, I (and Alan K no doubt) have seen this luthier hanging out on the Fiddle Forum and he seems to have really done his homework on bowed guitars and the history behind them. Paolo --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Ah: the Botar > > http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm > > About $US2500. Oof! > > TravisH > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 > From: DJ > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier build me a modern > arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like a cello. > Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the cello. The > nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the tuning is the > same as a guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, and it > has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of fret > reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is totally > unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some work to be done on > bowing technique, but I think most guitarists could handle this with a > little practice. > > I think if a company came out with an "electric" > version of such an > instrument that was not too expensive it could be wildly popular. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 15:33:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EJRXV27716; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:27:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407141927.i6EJROh27599@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:27:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040714185751.84297.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRp1MrSYsjoQk/UT1urS4X3O9F+2QAA49Ww Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh also if you play a bowed instrument and loop come join the conversation at Alternative Strings and Fiddle Forum http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar This one probably ain't much cheaper: http://bowedguitar.com/ I'm guessing we're a ways off before Musician's Friend offers cheap knockoffs of bowed guitars, just like they now have knockoffs of Music Man guitars, etc. Still, I (and Alan K no doubt) have seen this luthier hanging out on the Fiddle Forum and he seems to have really done his homework on bowed guitars and the history behind them. Paolo --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Ah: the Botar > > http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm > > About $US2500. Oof! > > TravisH > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 > From: DJ > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier build me a modern > arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like a cello. > Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the cello. The > nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the tuning is the > same as a guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, and it > has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of fret > reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is totally > unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some work to be done on > bowing technique, but I think most guitarists could handle this with a > little practice. > > I think if a company came out with an "electric" > version of such an > instrument that was not too expensive it could be wildly popular. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 15:52:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EJjO504660; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040714194507.84715.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407141927.i6EJROh27599@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-RZZB.A.HHB.I1Y9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I highly recommend this forum to all bowed instrument players, regardless of stylistic preferences. I've gotten a lot of good info myself from it. Paolo --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Oh also if you play a bowed instrument and loop come > join the conversation > at Alternative Strings and Fiddle Forum > http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paolo Valladolid > [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > This one probably ain't much cheaper: > > http://bowedguitar.com/ > > I'm guessing we're a ways off before Musician's > Friend offers cheap > knockoffs of bowed guitars, just like they now have > knockoffs of Music Man > guitars, etc. > > Still, I (and Alan K no doubt) have seen this > luthier hanging out on the > Fiddle Forum and he seems to have really done his > homework on bowed guitars > and the history behind them. > > Paolo > > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Ah: the Botar > > > > http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm > > > > About $US2500. Oof! > > > > TravisH > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 > > From: DJ > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > > > > My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier > build me a modern > > arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held > like a cello. > > Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today > played on the cello. The > > nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is > the tuning is the > > same as a guitar so one already knows his way > around the neck, and it > > has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having > some kind of fret > > reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a > realm that is totally > > unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some > work to be done on > > bowing technique, but I think most guitarists > could handle this with a > > little practice. > > > > I think if a company came out with an "electric" > > version of such an > > instrument that was not too expensive it could be > wildly popular. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 16:08:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EK12714430; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:01:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:01:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F590F1.20108@biink.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:00:49 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bruce tovsky wrote: > BTW, if no one has said it yet, With or Without You by U2 has Infinite > guitar on it. > > also, check out michael brook, who i believe coined the term "infinite > guitar." He's thanked in the liner notes of The Joshua Tree for inventing the infinite guitar. I don't know if he did, but he built the one used on the album. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 16:08:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EK7Ed16459; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F5925D.3060908@biink.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:06:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar References: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1siGu.A.6_D.iJZ9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DJ wrote: > My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier build me a modern > arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like a cello. > Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the cello. The > nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the tuning is the > same as a guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, and it > has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of fret > reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is totally > unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some work to be done on > bowing technique, but I think most guitarists could handle this with a > little practice. I thought it was called the vila de gamba. http://vdgsa.org/ I've played the guitar all my life and I like the cello. Without frets. I tried a friends electric cello last Winter and spent an late evening looking at electric cellos on line. And a week talking myself out of it. I have enough toys. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 16:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EKCiG19417; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F593A6.2040506@biink.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:12:22 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar References: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <40F5925D.3060908@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <40F5925D.3060908@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > DJ wrote: > >> My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier build me a modern >> arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held like a cello. >> Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today played on the cello. >> The nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is the tuning is >> the same as a guitar so one already knows his way around the neck, >> and it has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having some kind of >> fret reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a realm that is >> totally unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some work to be >> done on bowing technique, but I think most guitarists could handle >> this with a little practice. > > > I thought it was called the vila de gamba. viola de gamba > > http://vdgsa.org/ > > I've played the guitar all my life and I like the cello. Without frets. > > I tried a friends electric cello last Winter and spent > an late evening looking at electric cellos on line. And a week > talking myself out of it. I have enough toys. > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 16:27:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EKP0j23711; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <756808B2-D5B9-11D8-9F3B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <4A6B59B7-D5B8-11D8-8D8A-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <756808B2-D5B9-11D8-9F3B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:24:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yesterday. Three of 'em. On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:15 AM, msottilaro wrote: > When was the last time you bought a hot cake? > > Mark > > On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:07 AM, DJ wrote: > >> I think a mass produced, sub-$1000.00 instrument like this would sell >> like hot cakes, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 16:46:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EKheo30615; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:43:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040714194507.84715.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6D7FC982-D5D6-11D8-B6CF-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com didn't know about the fiddleforum! thanx. On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I highly recommend this forum to all bowed instrument > players, regardless of stylistic preferences. I've > gotten a lot of good info myself from it. > > Paolo > > --- Alan Kroeger wrote: >> Oh also if you play a bowed instrument and loop come >> join the conversation >> at Alternative Strings and Fiddle Forum >> http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paolo Valladolid >> [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:58 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar >> >> This one probably ain't much cheaper: >> >> http://bowedguitar.com/ >> >> I'm guessing we're a ways off before Musician's >> Friend offers cheap >> knockoffs of bowed guitars, just like they now have >> knockoffs of Music Man >> guitars, etc. >> >> Still, I (and Alan K no doubt) have seen this >> luthier hanging out on the >> Fiddle Forum and he seems to have really done his >> homework on bowed guitars >> and the history behind them. >> >> Paolo >> >> >> --- Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> Ah: the Botar >>> >>> http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm >>> >>> About $US2500. Oof! >>> >>> TravisH >>> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 >>> From: DJ >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar >>> >>> My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier >> build me a modern >>> arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held >> like a cello. >>> Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today >> played on the cello. The >>> nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is >> the tuning is the >>> same as a guitar so one already knows his way >> around the neck, and it >>> has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having >> some kind of fret >>> reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a >> realm that is totally >>> unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some >> work to be done on >>> bowing technique, but I think most guitarists >> could handle this with a >>> little practice. >>> >>> I think if a company came out with an "electric" >>> version of such an >>> instrument that was not too expensive it could be >> wildly popular. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 16:54:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EKroX01371; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:53:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:53:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407142053.i6EKrgh01308@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:54:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6D7FC982-D5D6-11D8-B6CF-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRp443BSMef15igRN+3if7WbPjRlAAAIiIw Resent-Message-ID: <4dgvAD.A.rU.W1Z9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your Welcome David: Viola Da Gamba is one of the names as well as just plain old 'Viol'. Jonathan Wilson Chose Guitar Viol to capture a wider audience of potential users/players. -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar didn't know about the fiddleforum! thanx. On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I highly recommend this forum to all bowed instrument players, > regardless of stylistic preferences. I've gotten a lot of good info > myself from it. > > Paolo > > --- Alan Kroeger wrote: >> Oh also if you play a bowed instrument and loop come join the >> conversation at Alternative Strings and Fiddle Forum >> http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paolo Valladolid >> [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:58 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar >> >> This one probably ain't much cheaper: >> >> http://bowedguitar.com/ >> >> I'm guessing we're a ways off before Musician's Friend offers cheap >> knockoffs of bowed guitars, just like they now have knockoffs of >> Music Man guitars, etc. >> >> Still, I (and Alan K no doubt) have seen this luthier hanging out on >> the Fiddle Forum and he seems to have really done his homework on >> bowed guitars and the history behind them. >> >> Paolo >> >> >> --- Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> Ah: the Botar >>> >>> http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm >>> >>> About $US2500. Oof! >>> >>> TravisH >>> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:07:30 -0400 >>> From: DJ >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar >>> >>> My ultimate dream is to some day have a luthier >> build me a modern >>> arppegione which is a bowed guitar that is held >> like a cello. >>> Schubert wrote a sonata for it that is today >> played on the cello. The >>> nice thing about an arppegione for guitarists is >> the tuning is the >>> same as a guitar so one already knows his way >> around the neck, and it >>> has frets, so a guitarist that is used to having >> some kind of fret >>> reference is not all of a sudden thrust into a >> realm that is totally >>> unfamiliar. I understand that there is still some >> work to be done on >>> bowing technique, but I think most guitarists >> could handle this with a >>> little practice. >>> >>> I think if a company came out with an "electric" >>> version of such an >>> instrument that was not too expensive it could be >> wildly popular. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 17:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ELMsf08690; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040714211557.12087.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6D7FC982-D5D6-11D8-B6CF-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Zoe Keating wrote: > didn't know about the fiddleforum! thanx. You would certainly be welcome there, especially with your experience. Enjoyed seeing Rasputina live, btw. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. 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Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --0-287316389-1089840648=:51746-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 18:12:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EMAse30968; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: beta testers invited Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:10:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The first beta of the next version of Augustus Loop is available here: http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downloads/augustusloop_1_1_0_beta1.tgz This contains 3 new features which should be of some interest to loopers: 1) Host tempo sync. It is now possible to specify the loop length in terms of the host application's tempo and a number of beats/bars etc. 2) Audio-triggered record start So you can have the loop record triggered by your playing, rather than trying to hit the record button and start playing at the same time. 3) MIDI clock out The plug-in is capable of generating MIDI clock messages. This is something of an experimental feature, but it does mean you can for example hook the MIDI out up to Ableton Live and have Live start playback in sync with your loop the instant you finish recording the first pass. I'd be enormously grateful for your feedback, either by direct mail or via the forum: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/forum/ thanks, os. http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 18:31:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6EMRmQ01269; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: C|NET Download.Com Editor's Pick Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:27:07 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c469f1$b2bde240$6701a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <1oPdN.A.9S.BNb9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Folks - .just a shameless personal marketing plug here. ;) My CD "Places", which is 100% real-time looping, is now "editor's pick" on C|NET (Download.Com) under New Age, Solo Instrumental, Improvised Music, Contemporary Instrumental, Meditation, and Progressive Electronic. http://music.download.com/2001-8199_32-0.html?tag=dir "Impossible Shade of Blue" has 240 downloads so far. If you haven't done so already, I recommend uploading your music to this site. You have to encode your MP3s at 192, and you are limited to about 80MB. I was only able to upload three of my epic songs with this limit! Kris ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 14 20:29:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6F0Sdo24353; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-Via: DakotaCom.NET Message-ID: <3736.207.138.106.50.1089851303.squirrel@secure.dakotacom.net> In-Reply-To: <200407142046.i6EKkL031556@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407142046.i6EKkL031556@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:28:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Krispen Hartung's "Places" CD featured on KXCI's Brainwaves show this week... From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Dkc-.A.M7F.i-c9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hope nobody considers this "shameless promotion", since I'm not the artist... ;-) I'm a DJ on KXCI <"http://www.kxci.org">, Tucson's Community Radio station. (Hmmm, maybe THAT part is the shameless promo!) ;-) We're featuring Krispen Hartung's "Places" CD this week on Brainwaves, the ambient and space music show. Brainwaves runs Monday through Friday from 6:00 AM to 7:00 AM Arizona time (-7:00 GMT). Tune in at KXCI.org and give it a listen! -Doug Wellington http://www.kxci.org http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 01:55:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6F5gYQ28680; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <44907822-D5A1-11D8-BB6B-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5084BB1B-D622-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:46:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Sustainiac in my Steinberger. I love it, but it didn't replace the ebow in my world, but it does give me other options. If you set it just right you can make it really pretty controllable. If you crank it, you can get it wild and out of control. Both cool options for different situations. Sure, neither sound like a bowed string, but can you do chords with most bowed instruments? They're their own thing, and cool they are. BTW, I had a horrible time trying to install it myself even though I have a fair amount of soldering experience. Not enough room in the electronics cavity for two batteries. I had Gary Brewer in SF install it and it came out great, but was kind of spendy. Looks factory though. Mark On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:40 AM, DJ wrote: > Has anyone here mentioned Sustainiac sustainers? They have two > models, one like the home made "wall speaker" device mentioned earlier > in the thread and another like the one on Fernandes guitars. > > BTW, if no one has said it yet, With or Without You by U2 has Infinite > guitar on it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 04:02:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6F7uID22027; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040715075602.37843.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5084BB1B-D622-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5OglJC.A.4XF.Xij9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I am considering installing a sustainer in my fender roland ready strat,do you think it would alter its tone?I am of course trying it out on a cheap one;-) L.a --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I've got a Sustainiac in my Steinberger. I love it, > but it didn't > replace the ebow in my world, but it does give me > other options. If > you set it just right you can make it really pretty > controllable. If > you crank it, you can get it wild and out of > control. Both cool > options for different situations. Sure, neither > sound like a bowed > string, but can you do chords with most bowed > instruments? They're > their own thing, and cool they are. > > BTW, I had a horrible time trying to install it > myself even though I > have a fair amount of soldering experience. Not > enough room in the > electronics cavity for two batteries. I had Gary > Brewer in SF install > it and it came out great, but was kind of spendy. > Looks factory > though. > > Mark > > On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:40 AM, DJ wrote: > > > Has anyone here mentioned Sustainiac sustainers? > They have two > > models, one like the home made "wall speaker" > device mentioned earlier > > in the thread and another like the one on > Fernandes guitars. > > > > BTW, if no one has said it yet, With or Without > You by U2 has Infinite > > guitar on it. > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 06:05:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FA3N110315; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> References: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <22150678-D646-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: beta testers invited Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:02:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Os, This is looking nothing but great! I downloaded the beta, but how can I register? At the web site it says "you can register from within the plug-in" but I just can't find any "register button" in the beta. Do I have to download and register version 1.0 first? And if I do that, can I then run the beta without it stopping every 15 minutes? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-07-15, at 00.10, Os wrote: > The first beta of the next version of Augustus Loop is available here: > > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downloads/augustusloop_1_1_0_beta1.tgz > > This contains 3 new features which should be of some interest to > loopers: > > 1) Host tempo sync. > > It is now possible to specify the loop length in terms of the host > application's tempo and a number of beats/bars etc. > > 2) Audio-triggered record start > > So you can have the loop record triggered by your playing, rather than > trying to hit the record button and start playing at the same time. > > 3) MIDI clock out > > The plug-in is capable of generating MIDI clock messages. This is > something of an experimental feature, but it does mean you can for > example hook the MIDI out up to Ableton Live and have Live start > playback in sync with your loop the instant you finish recording the > first pass. > > > I'd be enormously grateful for your feedback, either by direct mail or > via the forum: > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/forum/ > > > thanks, > os. > > http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 06:21:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FAKZO12079; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <22150678-D646-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> <22150678-D646-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <92564583-D648-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: beta testers invited Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:20:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> The first beta of the next version of Augustus Loop is available here: On 2004-07-15, at 12.02, Per Boysen wrote: > > This is looking nothing but great! I downloaded the beta, but how can > I register? Never mind, I found it :-) BTW did you think about tempo sync the LFO? Maybe a bunch of "pads" to click that divides host tempo to 4th, 8th, 19th and triads (related to the loop length)? Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 06:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FANRZ12444; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <92564583-D648-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> <22150678-D646-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <92564583-D648-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: beta testers invited Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:23:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-15, at 12.20, Per Boysen wrote: > divides host tempo to 4th, 8th, 19th and triads (related to the loop > length)? > oops... "19th"!!!! I must have typed with the keyboard upside down ;-) Meant 16th. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 07:31:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FBTwB20496; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> References: <97E7DC9A-D5E2-11D8-9B06-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3CA9D21E-D652-11D8-8930-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Augustusloop - puchased serial number not valid (was: beta testers invited) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:29:30 +0200 To: Os , Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Please help! Here's what happened: 1. Purchased a new registration with VISA card from my stationary Internet computer. 2. Got a screen with a number. 3. Copied a PDF of that number. 4. Opened Augustus Loop plug-in on my Powerbook. 5. Typed in the serial number. 6. "The serial number you entered is not valid" I can't do any serious beta-testing if it stops every 15 minutes! Any advice to get Augustus into the loop? Do I have to register on the same machine as I downloaded to? Didn't any warning about that on the site. Since I'm doing music only with the powerbook for at least two more weeks (last gig on July 29) I really need to get it over to that machine. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-07-15, at 00.10, Os wrote: > The first beta of the next version of Augustus Loop is available here: > > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downloads/augustusloop_1_1_0_beta1.tgz > > This contains 3 new features which should be of some interest to > loopers: > > 1) Host tempo sync. > > It is now possible to specify the loop length in terms of the host > application's tempo and a number of beats/bars etc. > > 2) Audio-triggered record start > > So you can have the loop record triggered by your playing, rather than > trying to hit the record button and start playing at the same time. > > 3) MIDI clock out > > The plug-in is capable of generating MIDI clock messages. This is > something of an experimental feature, but it does mean you can for > example hook the MIDI out up to Ableton Live and have Live start > playback in sync with your loop the instant you finish recording the > first pass. > > > I'd be enormously grateful for your feedback, either by direct mail or > via the forum: > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/forum/ > > > thanks, > os. > > http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 09:00:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FCxNK17422; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Two Mules For Sister Sara Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:58:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRneNwfVKQUh1sOTTeybqsL8hmFEgC79iag Message-Id: <20040715125857.IMWZ8122.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <5dGx-D.A.XDE.Y-n9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since Spaghetti Westerns were mentioned recently on this list, has any one seen this film, with Clint Eastwood and Shirley MacLaine? The score is by Ennio Morricone, with a few incredible sounds for 1970. I didn't see it back then, but watched it last evening. There are some at the opening of the film which sounded somewhat distorted, and out of tune, and I was wondering whether the film was downloading and streaming OK, or if there was some problem with my studio sound system. However, it turns out that, that part of the score is a recurring motif, so it was probably the way it was recorded. Anyway, the critics are all over on this film, but I feel it's worth watching and listening to more than once. You can download it for $1.99 at Movie Link. http://www.movielink.com/commerce/detail/ProductDetail.jhtml?id=prod320049&s id=&navCount=0 Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 09:38:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FDPoc28788; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040715125857.IMWZ8122.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20040715125857.IMWZ8122.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F5F2A06-D662-11D8-B782-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Two Mules For Sister Sara Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:25:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-15, at 14.58, Tom Rex wrote: > > Since Spaghetti Westerns... I'm a big fan of Sergio Leone :-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 09:46:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FDbqO02506; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show announcement: Phasmatodea and others, Raleigh NC 15 July 2004 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop-d listmembers Adrian and I will be playing as our dual Chapman Stick looping improvisational project Phasmatodea this Thursday night (tonight) in Raleigh, NC. If you make it to the show tonight, please say hello. Thanks for reading. obLoop: Looping devices used by the two of us in Phasmatodea typically include an Akai Headrush E1, Boss RC-20, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, and Line6 DL4. What: 919noisenight#4, with Pig&Iron, The Serpent Earth, Phasmatodea When: 15 July (this Thursday), doors at 9, first set starts by 9:30pm Where: Bickett Gallery http://www.bickettgallery.com/ Map: http://www.bickettgallery.com/08contact.html Cover: $4, $3 if a member of the 919noise mailling list More info below: Bickett Gallery is in Raleigh, NC, near Five Points. Musical acts involved for Thursday: * Pig and Iron - solo project by Drew (of Phon) * The Serpent Earth - industrial improv by Anthony & Rob * Phasmatodea - Steve B and Adrian Likins A not-so-ambient dual/duel Chapman Stick improvisational soundscapes duo. http://www.phasmatodea.net/ After the individual group performances, an "exquisite corpse"-style serial improv session or other improvisational combination of the musicians involved might happen. For more information on 919noise: http://www.919noise.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 10:38:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FER7H21515; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:27:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040715075602.37843.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040715075602.37843.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7ED06FA5-D66B-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:30:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You loose the neck pickup, but the transducer that replaces it can be used at a pickup as well and I think it's got a great tone. Different than what was in there, but good. I am replacing an EMG pickup though, so you're experience will be different. I guess the short answer is, "probably." Mark On Jul 15, 2004, at 12:56 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi Mark, > I am considering installing a sustainer in my fender > roland ready strat,do you think it would alter its > tone?I am of course trying it out on a cheap one;-) > L.a > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> I've got a Sustainiac in my Steinberger. I love it, >> but it didn't >> replace the ebow in my world, but it does give me >> other options. If >> you set it just right you can make it really pretty >> controllable. If >> you crank it, you can get it wild and out of >> control. Both cool >> options for different situations. Sure, neither >> sound like a bowed >> string, but can you do chords with most bowed >> instruments? They're >> their own thing, and cool they are. >> >> BTW, I had a horrible time trying to install it >> myself even though I >> have a fair amount of soldering experience. Not >> enough room in the >> electronics cavity for two batteries. I had Gary >> Brewer in SF install >> it and it came out great, but was kind of spendy. >> Looks factory >> though. >> >> Mark >> >> On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:40 AM, DJ wrote: >> >>> Has anyone here mentioned Sustainiac sustainers? >> They have two >>> models, one like the home made "wall speaker" >> device mentioned earlier >>> in the thread and another like the one on >> Fernandes guitars. >>> >>> BTW, if no one has said it yet, With or Without >> You by U2 has Infinite >>> guitar on it. >>> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 10:56:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FEtM101087; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Resent-Cc: os@expertsleepers.co.uk, marketing@rogueamoeba.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--73080044 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:54:29 -0500 Message-Id: Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Optimus Rob Resent-Message-Id: Subject: Augustus Loop and Audio Hijack Pro (Modified by Optimus Rob) Resent-From: Optimus Rob Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:39:08 -0500 To: Optimus Rob X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--73080044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I love the reverse feature's effect on incoming mp3's in combination with a hand-synced LFO. To add to the list of working host programs, I used Audio Hijack Pro. It's amazing -- record any sound passed through your computer in 24-bit AIFF stereo w/ realtime daisy-chaining of VST and AudioUnit plug-ins. Augustus Loop starts right up -- nice! For example, if you're using the demo of Live 3 and stumble upon the greatest sequence of your life, you can use Audio Hijack Pro to "hijack" Live's master output by selecting "Live" under the source menu. Also work excellent as a mastering recorder for iTunes. Play the master out of iTunes into Audio Hijack by selecting iTunes as the source and apply realtime VST and AudioUnit plug-ins (ie. Augustus Loop). You can then import the recorded file back into iTunes for downsampling onto CD, Thanks again os. for giving us a chance to test Augustus Loop. Between that and Audio Hijack Pro, I can create live loops while realtime recording the master out for under $50 on my Powerbook. Apologies if this appeared as too much of an ad -- just really think a lot of folk could benefit from this tool. Here's the program link if your in need of a nice $39 internal 24bit stereo hard disk recorder with DSP: http://rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/ . Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: > > Hope nobody considers this "shameless promotion", since I'm not the > artist... ;-) > > I'm a DJ on KXCI <"http://www.kxci.org">, Tucson's Community Radio > station. (Hmmm, maybe THAT part is the shameless promo!) ;-) > > We're featuring Krispen Hartung's "Places" CD this week on Brainwaves, > the > ambient and space music show. Brainwaves runs Monday through Friday > from > 6:00 AM to 7:00 AM Arizona time (-7:00 GMT). Tune in at KXCI.org and > give > it a listen! > > -Doug Wellington > > http://www.kxci.org > http://www.dougwellington.com > > --Apple-Mail-2--73080044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I love the reverse feature's effect on incoming mp3's in combination with a hand-synced LFO. To add to the list of working host programs, I used Audio Hijack Pro. It's amazing -- record any sound passed through your computer in 24-bit AIFF stereo w/ realtime daisy-chaining of VST and AudioUnit plug-ins. Augustus Loop starts right up -- nice! For example, if you're using the demo of Live 3 and stumble upon the greatest sequence of your life, you can use Audio Hijack Pro to "hijack" Live's master output by selecting "Live" under the source menu. Also work excellent as a mastering recorder for iTunes. Play the master out of iTunes into Audio Hijack by selecting iTunes as the source and apply realtime VST and AudioUnit plug-ins (ie. Augustus Loop). You can then import the recorded file back into iTunes for downsampling onto CD, Thanks again os. for giving us a chance to test Augustus Loop. Between that and Audio Hijack Pro, I can create live loops while realtime recording the master out for under $50 on my Powerbook. Apologies if this appeared as too much of an ad -- just really think a lot of folk could benefit from this tool. Here's the program link if your in need of a nice $39 internal 24bit stereo hard disk recorder with DSP: http://rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/ . Papyrus4645,6D6C,C6C5Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4E,7B7A,E0DF...................................................... Warm blends of downtempo beats that will soothe your your mind... "an original score to the tragedy of American idealism" http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: Hope nobody considers this "shameless promotion", since I'm not the artist... ;-) I'm a DJ on KXCI <<"http://www.kxci.org">, Tucson's Community Radio station. (Hmmm, maybe THAT part is the shameless promo!) ;-) We're featuring Krispen Hartung's "Places" CD this week on Brainwaves, the ambient and space music show. Brainwaves runs Monday through Friday from 6:00 AM to 7:00 AM Arizona time (-7:00 GMT). Tune in at KXCI.org and give it a listen! -Doug Wellington http://www.kxci.org http://www.dougwellington.com --Apple-Mail-2--73080044-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 11:34:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FFVQc16017; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:31:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040715153052.17602.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5084BB1B-D622-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I've got a Sustainiac in my Steinberger. > BTW, I had a horrible time trying to install it myself even though I > have a fair amount of soldering experience. Not enough room in the > electronics cavity for two batteries. I had Gary Brewer in SF install > it and it came out great, but was kind of spendy. Looks factory > though. Does the Sustaniac require two batteries, or did you have one for your other guitar electronics? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 11:43:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FFex420148; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001501c46a81$3d9029c0$c462fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040715153052.17602.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:34:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7a9fbB.A.i2E.6Vq9AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just for the record, Tim Blake is credited on his "New Jerusalem" album as playing "Glissandoz Guitar". If you take into consideration that Sandoz produced the purest acid of the 70s (LSD-25) you know where this pun word comes from... Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > I've got a Sustainiac in my Steinberger. > > > BTW, I had a horrible time trying to install it myself even though I > > have a fair amount of soldering experience. Not enough room in the > > electronics cavity for two batteries. I had Gary Brewer in SF install > > it and it came out great, but was kind of spendy. Looks factory > > though. > > Does the Sustaniac require two batteries, or did you have one for your other > guitar electronics? > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 11:44:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FFagq18099; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407151456.i6FEuc601621@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407151456.i6FEuc601621@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Two Mules For Sister Sara Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:36:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah--I saw that on TV about 25 years ago when I was a kid, and the soundtrack jumped right out. I've only seen it the once, and I still remember that donkey-bray opening theme. That was when I first became aware of Morricone. TravisH On Jul 15, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Tom Rex" > Date: July 15, 2004 5:58:36 AM PDT > To: > Subject: Two Mules For Sister Sara > > > Since Spaghetti Westerns were mentioned recently on this list, has any > one > seen this film, with Clint Eastwood and Shirley MacLaine? The score > is by > Ennio Morricone, with a few incredible sounds for 1970. I didn't see > it > back then, but watched it last evening. > > There are some at the opening of the film which sounded somewhat > distorted, > and out of tune, and I was wondering whether the film was downloading > and > streaming OK, or if there was some problem with my studio sound system. > However, it turns out that, that part of the score is a recurring > motif, so > it was probably the way it was recorded. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 12:47:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FGYbR07666; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:34:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:34:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040715163354.32947.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: ToneBone Hot British Tube Drive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040714213048.53817.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Monica wrote: > > Any feedback on the ToneBone Hot British tube drive pedal? I haven't used one myself, but several guitar players on another list I'm on have absolutely raved about that particular pedal. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 13:24:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FHHsE22815; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:17:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040715153052.17602.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040715153052.17602.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Daevid Allen/glissando guitar Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Sustainiac uses one and the EMG pickups need one as well. The battery holder that Gary Brawer (I'm not sure of the spelling) installed is pretty brilliant. Holds two batteries and each pivots out for easy replacement. You can find all the details at http://www.sustainiac.com Mark On Jul 15, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Greg House wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> I've got a Sustainiac in my Steinberger. > >> BTW, I had a horrible time trying to install it myself even though I >> have a fair amount of soldering experience. Not enough room in the >> electronics cavity for two batteries. I had Gary Brewer in SF install >> it and it came out great, but was kind of spendy. Looks factory >> though. > > Does the Sustaniac require two batteries, or did you have one for your > other > guitar electronics? > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 17:33:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FLUCf19235; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040715212918.6427.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: ToneBone Hot British Tube Drive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040715163354.32947.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2024661064-1089926958=:96293" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2024661064-1089926958=:96293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg and PJ- Thanks...then I think I'll go for it! It looks like it has some very unique tone possibilities and it's just darn cool.Ex: who wants level when you can have the proper British "contour"?... Monica Greg House wrote: --- Monica wrote: > > Any feedback on the ToneBone Hot British tube drive pedal? I haven't used one myself, but several guitar players on another list I'm on have absolutely raved about that particular pedal. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-2024661064-1089926958=:96293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Greg and PJ-
    Thanks...then I think I'll go for it! It looks like it has some very unique tone
possibilities and it's just darn cool.Ex: who wants level when you can have the
proper British "contour"?...
                                                                                                    Monica

Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Monica wrote:
>
> Any feedback on the ToneBone Hot British tube drive pedal?

I haven't used one myself, but several guitar players on another list I'm on have
absolutely raved about that particular pedal.

Greg



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Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-2024661064-1089926958=:96293-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 19:12:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FMxwl01050; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:59:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:59:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040715212918.6427.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040715212918.6427.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: msottilaro Subject: Re: ToneBone Hot British Tube Drive Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6FMxjh00988 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally believe the extra "u" is what gives it most of the warmth. Mark On Jul 15, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Monica wrote: > Greg and PJ- >     Thanks...then I think I'll go for it! It looks like it has some > very unique tone > possibilities and it's just darn cool.Ex: who wants level when you can > have the > proper British "contour"?... >                                                                         >                              Monica > > Greg House wrote: > --- Monica wrote: > > > > Any feedback on the ToneBone Hot British tube drive pedal? > > I haven't used one myself, but several guitar players on another list > I'm on have > absolutely raved about that particular pedal. > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 15 19:19:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6FNAIV02346; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40F70EB7.9070203@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:09:43 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Millennium Park opening celebration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends, Before heading over to the Burning Man Movie Night at Hot House tomorrow evening, you can catch me performing (on springboard and Echplex) outdoors for the Millennium Park Grand Opening celebration. That's Friday, July 16, from 6:30 to 7:15 in the Bank One Promenade, North Plaza, near Randolph and the Pritzker Pavilion. It's all free and there are many other performances that night, and through the whole weekend. To download the park map and get more info on Millennium Park, visit Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Plasticene http://www.plasticene.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 16 02:06:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6G64fs31945; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:09:54 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Bass workshop From: cameronstreet To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <970B2036-D625-11D8-A4CE-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm conducting a solo bass workshop on the 28th july 7pm, which will include loops, for anyone in this part of the galaxy, Brisbane, Australia. An Echoplex, two DL4's and a Boss RV-3 are my main loop devices. No wold tour yet, haha. Address Guitar Central. 95 Leichhardt st, SpringHill, Queensland cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 16 08:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6GC8GU01065; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:08:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:08:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:08:15 +0200 Subject: RE: ToneBone Hot British From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3172831695_161278_MIME_Part" X-ID: bVoZsqZcYewmTjvC71VXiKbmps+9kDxdqXGAjMAi7Ql7+qTEJZ5hYQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3172831695_161278_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, I tried that pedal the other day and wasn't too impressed, lots of buzz and little flexibility dispite all those knobs and buttons. I like the concept of a "Marshall-in-a-box" for lower volume playing through a clean amp (along with unusual effects like LOOPS etc.), am looking around quite a bit but still am stuck with a Tech 21 XXL for that matter. Wasn't impressed with the Fulltone Distotion Pro either, but the Maxon ROD881 (tube series) did sound nicer at the store compared to the Tech 21. --MS_Mac_OE_3172831695_161278_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE:  ToneBone Hot British Hi,
I tried that pedal the other day and wasn't too impressed, lots of buzz and= little flexibility dispite all those knobs and buttons. I like the concept = of a "Marshall-in-a-box" for lower volume playing through a clean = amp (along with unusual effects like LOOPS etc.), am looking around q= uite a bit but still am stuck with a Tech 21 XXL for that matter. Wasn't imp= ressed with the Fulltone Distotion Pro either, but the Maxon ROD881 (tube se= ries) did sound nicer at the store compared to the Tech 21. --MS_Mac_OE_3172831695_161278_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 16 17:59:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6GLw7w02714; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040716215745.99813.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: ToneBone Hot British Tube Drive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought they called that "adding colour"? --- msottilaro wrote: > I totally believe the extra "u" is what gives it most of the warmth. > > Mark > > On Jul 15, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Monica wrote: > > > Greg and PJ- > > Thanks...then I think I'll go for it! It looks like it has some > > very unique tone > > possibilities and it's just darn cool.Ex: who wants level when you can > > have the > > proper British "contour"?... > > > > Monica > > > > Greg House wrote: > > --- Monica wrote: > > > > > > Any feedback on the ToneBone Hot British tube drive pedal? > > > > I haven't used one myself, but several guitar players on another list > > I'm on have > > absolutely raved about that particular pedal. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 16 19:52:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6GNonA23705; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> Subject: OT - shamelessly Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:54:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.245.19] at Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:50:19 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally succeeded in getting some rather old looping of mine on the web. What a dance that turned out to be! I mean, I'm a GUITAR player not a technologically savvy musician, like a keyboard player or DJ or something! :-) Anyway, I thought I'd share these oldies among my online peers. http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list I'm curious to know what you think. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 16 20:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6H0SZw30973; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:28:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Panek" To: Subject: my thought Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:28:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, Good job. I have just one thought for you: Hearts of Space http://www.heartsofspace.com Keep producing! Mike. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - shamelessly I finally succeeded in getting some rather old looping of mine on the web. What a dance that turned out to be! I mean, I'm a GUITAR player not a technologically savvy musician, like a keyboard player or DJ or something! :-) Anyway, I thought I'd share these oldies among my online peers. http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list I'm curious to know what you think. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 16 20:41:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6H0drM32239; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:39:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:39:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: OT - shamelessly Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:39:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mmmmm I like it a lot. Nice and ambient! Reminds me of some of the ambient Laswell stuff. I went through a phase where I listened to a lot of that and lately I've been going back to that type of thing. Kind of kicking the drum machine by the wayside for a bit and just making sweet beds of sound. GOOD JOB. Mark On Jul 16, 2004, at 4:54 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I finally succeeded in getting some rather old looping of mine on the > web. > What a dance that turned out to be! I mean, I'm a GUITAR player not a > technologically savvy musician, like a keyboard player or DJ or > something! > :-) > > Anyway, I thought I'd share these oldies among my online peers. > > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list > > I'm curious to know what you think. > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 01:31:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6H5TiE17266; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:30:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ToneBone Hot British X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andreas, If you're looking for a 'natural'-sounding tubey distortion then check out the Emma Reezafratzitz. Don't be put off by the name - it's the best distortion I've ever come across. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 12:39:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HGa0E31046; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.2e7bca68.2e2aaf49@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:35:21 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090082121" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1090082121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just got my echoplex proplus. i've read the manual and made loops and used the fv50 volume pedal for feedback affects and even done reverse, but i still have some important questions regarding it's basic functions that i can;'t get from the manual. is there anyone with experience with this new loop iv version that can help me. thanks, cory -------------------------------1090082121 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i just got my echoplex proplus. i've read the manual and made loops and= used the fv50 volume pedal for feedback affects and even done reverse, = ; but i still have some important questions regarding it's basic functions t= hat i can;'t get from the manual. is there anyone with experience with this=20= new loop iv version that can help me. thanks,  cory
-------------------------------1090082121-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 12:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HGmtg04424; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:48:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:48:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c46c1d$e8525de0$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <1e.2e7bca68.2e2aaf49@aol.com> Subject: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:48:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C46BE3.3ABD76E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C46BE3.3ABD76E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but i still have some important questions regarding it's basic = functions that i can;'t get from the manual. is there anyone with = experience with this new loop iv version that can help me. thanks, cory What are the questions? I bet they can all be answered here (where I can = hear the answers too :-). - Dave ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C46BE3.3ABD76E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
but i still have some important questions regarding it's = basic=20 functions that i can;'t get from the manual. is there anyone with = experience=20 with this new loop iv version that can help me. thanks, =20 cory
 
What are the questions? I bet they can all be answered here (where = I can=20 hear the answers too :-).
 
- Dave
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C46BE3.3ABD76E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 12:56:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HGnLL04585; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:49:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:49:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407171649.i6HGn5h04481@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: How to (Loop) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:49:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1e.2e7bca68.2e2aaf49@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcRsHEs3uQrwU/geRyWmDYFcmxeGNwAAMqtQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your question is too broad I suggest you look at this material http://www.altruistmusic.com/edp.html and this page http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and well read the manual some more. A year and a half for me and several years or more from many others and we still spend time reading the manual. Definitely look at the first link for the many possible uses of an Echoplex it will be extremely helpful. Later ________________________________ From: SOULAR@aol.com [mailto:SOULAR@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (no subject) i just got my echoplex proplus. i've read the manual and made loops and used the fv50 volume pedal for feedback affects and even done reverse, but i still have some important questions regarding it's basic functions that i can;'t get from the manual. is there anyone with experience with this new loop iv version that can help me. thanks, cory From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 13:11:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HHA9D12870; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407171709.i6HH9vh12786@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Ash Grunwald (Blues with a Looper) More Steel Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:03:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcRsH/iia5ya5sjKQeSm9iqXPoN4XA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is something I have been trying to do a bit of myself (on Fiddle) only I don't do it as well as this guy Ash Grunwald http://www.ashgrunwald.com/index.htm does it :( Listen to this one http://www.ashgrunwald.com/mp3/AshGrunwald_HowManyMoreYears.mp3 nice variation on the Andre Glitch Rhythm in the backing nice rendition altogether of an old blues standard. Interview http://www.musicomh.com/interviews/ash-grunwald.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 14:50:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HIm2P14274; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040717184737.2821.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: OT - shamelessly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7Rn8FC.A.scD.PRX-AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very impressive, you seem to have captured sounds on the guitar that I have only been looking for half my playing career. I realy liked Poseidon and Aphrodite. That bassy drone was very haunting. I must know what effects are in your signal path just so I can see if I'm anywhere close to getting sounds like that. Bri --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I finally succeeded in getting some rather old > looping of mine on the web. > What a dance that turned out to be! I mean, I'm a > GUITAR player not a > technologically savvy musician, like a keyboard > player or DJ or something! > :-) > > Anyway, I thought I'd share these oldies among my > online peers. > > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=list > > I'm curious to know what you think. > > David > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 15:50:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HJlqv31654; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040717194731.25375.qmail@web53708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: ToneBone Hot British To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1020919660-1090093651=:24635" Resent-Message-ID: <2gT71.A.CuH.ZJY-AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1020919660-1090093651=:24635 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It says that the Hot British is designed mainly for amps with higher gain capacity- would that make any difference?...Monica Andreas Willers wrote: Hi, I tried that pedal the other day and wasn't too impressed, lots of buzz and little flexibility dispite all those knobs and buttons. I like the concept of a "Marshall-in-a-box" for lower volume playing through a clean amp (along with unusual effects like LOOPS etc.), am looking around quite a bit but still am stuck with a Tech 21 XXL for that matter. Wasn't impressed with the Fulltone Distotion Pro either, but the Maxon ROD881 (tube series) did sound nicer at the store compared to the Tech 21. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! --0-1020919660-1090093651=:24635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It says that the Hot British is designed mainly for amps with higher gain capacity-
would that make any difference?...Monica

Andreas Willers <A.Willers@t-online.de> wrote:
Hi,
I tried that pedal the other day and wasn't too impressed, lots of buzz and little flexibility dispite all those knobs and buttons. I like the concept of a "Marshall-in-a-box" for lower volume playing through a clean amp (along with unusual effects like LOOPS etc.), am looking around quite a bit but still am stuck with a Tech 21 XXL for that matter. Wasn't impressed with the Fulltone Distotion Pro either, but the Maxon ROD881 (tube series) did sound nicer at the store compared to the Tech 21.

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Mail - Send 10MB messages! --0-1020919660-1090093651=:24635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 19:06:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6HN4tQ28276; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c46c53$ef4cf520$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Looping pedal steel performance at the PiNG Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:15:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there's been lots of discussion on pedal steel in the last week - I wanted to make sure that anyone in striking distance of Toronto had a 'heads-up' on this looping pedal steel performance featuring Bob Egan (Blue Rodeo, Wilco...). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 20th - Planet Of The Loops The Planet Of The Loops' bi­-monthly looping series makes its final orbit at club nia with a night of guitar loopage from well-­travelled steel player Bob Egan (Blue Rodeo, Wilco, Freakwater, Billy Bragg, The Autumn Defense...) who'll be enjoying a chance to perform some "more unique" pedal steel usages for you - along with guitar and loop meister Andrew Aldridge, the Planet's founder and nefarious ringleader. More info at http://www.bobegan.com http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "The Equatorial Stars" by Fripp & Eno This brand new release by loopy pioneers Robert Fripp and Brian Eno has been ordered online. If it has not arrived by showtime Tuesday, their first landmark album of looping, "No Pussyfooting", will be featured. It's a win/win situation. http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cgi-bin/shoplink.cgi?id=664 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 27th - AKUMU and Mara's Torment http://www.spiderrecords.com/akumu/ http://www.marastorment.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 21:03:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6I0xlZ11360; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Notices (Seattle) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:00:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <472vX.A.IxC.5tc-AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A new venue this week, the U. Village Zoka, and a handful of the old faves. Acoustic guitar Live Looping for the masses, in groups of no more than 49 at one time: Sunday, July 18, 10:30AM-12:30PM Brunch at the Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) Sunday, July 18, 2-4PM, Zoka University Village ( 2901 NE Blakeley Street) Tuesday, July 20, 8PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) Thursday, July 22, 8PM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) *Saturday, July 24, 8PM Victor's Celtic Coffee (7993 Gilman Street, *Redmond*) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 17 23:25:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6I3Oac31704; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:24:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:24:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Zvex Effects Inquiry In-Reply-To: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: [snip] > They also have a new pedal out called the Seek Trem. > Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of that? I promised I'd reply once I had firsthand knowledge of this. Mine came in this past Tuesday and I worked with it for a two nights and then I used in a performance on Thursday, so I can make a few basic comments by now. It's a Seek-Wah, except using eight volume circuits in place of the eight wah circuits. The sequencer is exactly the same as the Seek-Wah with one important exception: whenever you step on the Seek-Trem to activate it, it always starts one the first of the eight (or four, or six: there's a three-position switch just like on the Seek-Wah to choose 4/6/8). It's a tremolo so it's theoretically a subtle effect, but Zachary's trem is more versatile than I'd anticipated. You can get some choppy timeslices of sound, echo-like effects, or delicate slow wavering like looking through old plate glass that's begun to pour down from flat and vertical. It sounds clear, and is great for what it is. Info page and instructions: http://www.zvex.com/seek-trem.html Demo video: http://www.zvex.com/movies/seek-trem.mov Big picture of the artwork: http://www.zvex.com/seek-trem_lg.html best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subcapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 00:16:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6I4Dxp06986; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <105.4bb012e0.2e2b52f0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:13:36 EDT Subject: Re: How to (Loop) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090124016" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1090124016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for answering my e-mail. i'm looking at the manual alot and am referring to those pages on the loopers delight site. -------------------------------1090124016 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for answering my e-mail. i'm looking at the manual alot and am ref= erring to those pages on the loopers delight site. -------------------------------1090124016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 00:26:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6I4Q3W08217; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <155.39d9b4d3.2e2b55c7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:25:43 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090124743" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1090124743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here are a few questions i have regarding my echoplex proplus. i just got it and can't figure out the following. 1. first of all, i thought you could listen simultaneously to several loops at the same time. i was surprised when i went into the parameter page and set "more loops" for more than 1 (i set it for 3) and after i recorded something into the first loop and went to the next loop the first loop stopped sounding. is there a way to hear that first loop while you go to next loop and so on through other loops? or am i really working within 1 loop at a time with layers. 2.after you record the first "pass" in a loop are the following loops "bound" to the time you used in that first loop? inother words if your first "pass"is 4 beats ( 1 measure) and approximately 5 seconds do subsequent overdubs have to be the same length? 3. when you undo a "layer", is there a way to skip backwards thru layers without undoing a layer. particularly if you wanted to go back to a layer and change the feedback level on it? i probably will have more questions but would love to get any of the above answered. i appreciate you help. thanks -------------------------------1090124743 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
here are a few questions i have regarding my echoplex proplus.
i just got it and can't figure out the following.
 
1. first of all, i thought you could listen simultaneously to several&n= bsp;loops at the same time. i was surprised when i went into the parameter p= age and set "more loops" for more than 1 (i set it for 3) and after i record= ed something into the first loop and went to the next loop the first loop st= opped sounding. is there a way to hear that first loop while you go to next=20= loop and so on through other loops? or am i really working within 1 loop at=20= a time with layers.
 
2.after you record the first "pass" in a loop are the following loops "= bound" to the time you used in that first loop? inother words if your first=20= "pass"is 4 beats ( 1 measure) and approximately 5 seconds do subsequent over= dubs have to be the same length?
 
3. when you undo a "layer", is there a way to skip backwards thru layer= s without undoing a layer. particularly if you wanted to go back to a layer=20= and change the feedback level on it?
 
i probably will have more questions but would love to get any of the ab= ove answered. i appreciate you help. thanks
-------------------------------1090124743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 06:02:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IA0ge17567; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c46cae$038df200$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <155.39d9b4d3.2e2b55c7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:00:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46C73.536010A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46C73.536010A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) You work with one loop at a time but you can have many undoable = layers on that loop so it's kinda like having multiple loops. 2) In overdub mode, you're just recording over the previously recorded = loop so it will be the same duration. You can dynamically edit the = length of the previously recorded loop if you want. 3) You can only undo the last layer. ( multiple times ) - Dave 1. first of all, i thought you could listen simultaneously to several = loops at the same time. i was surprised when i went into the parameter = page and set "more loops" for more than 1 (i set it for 3) and after i = recorded something into the first loop and went to the next loop the = first loop stopped sounding. is there a way to hear that first loop = while you go to next loop and so on through other loops? or am i really = working within 1 loop at a time with layers. 2.after you record the first "pass" in a loop are the following loops = "bound" to the time you used in that first loop? inother words if your = first "pass"is 4 beats ( 1 measure) and approximately 5 seconds do = subsequent overdubs have to be the same length? 3. when you undo a "layer", is there a way to skip backwards thru = layers without undoing a layer. particularly if you wanted to go back to = a layer and change the feedback level on it? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46C73.536010A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1) You work with one loop at a time but you can have many undoable = layers=20 on that loop so it's kinda like having multiple loops.
 
2) In overdub mode, you're just recording over the previously = recorded loop=20 so it will be the same duration. You can dynamically edit the length of = the=20 previously recorded loop if you want.
 
3) You can only undo the last layer. ( multiple times )
 
- Dave
 
 
1. first of all, i thought you could listen simultaneously to=20 several loops at the same time. i was surprised when i went into = the=20 parameter page and set "more loops" for more than 1 (i set it for 3) = and after=20 i recorded something into the first loop and went to the next loop the = first=20 loop stopped sounding. is there a way to hear that first loop while = you go to=20 next loop and so on through other loops? or am i really working within = 1 loop=20 at a time with layers.
 
2.after you record the first "pass" in a loop are the following = loops=20 "bound" to the time you used in that first loop? inother words if your = first=20 "pass"is 4 beats ( 1 measure) and approximately 5 seconds do = subsequent=20 overdubs have to be the same length?
 
3. when you undo a "layer", is there a way to skip backwards thru = layers=20 without undoing a layer. particularly if you wanted to go back to a = layer and=20 change the feedback level on it?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C46C73.536010A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 06:40:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IAd8Q21304; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <40FA54C2.10409@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:45:22 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: any bass pod xt user ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, is there anyone who uses the bass pod xt and have the time to make a simple tests for me ? Don't have the chance to try one before buying, so a help would be more than useful. thanks, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 10:39:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IEVbX20974; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407181431.i6IEV5h20680@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: How to (Loop) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <105.4bb012e0.2e2b52f0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRsfeYUX35g2O3kTomvGWDPKnshRQAVUSWA Resent-Message-ID: <9svca.A.YDF.pmo-AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well don't take my reply wrong it doesn't mean don't ask questions but, your question was fairly much nonspecific. The LaFosse pages can be used as a bit of a tutorial he does give his general setting and some portion of his methods on how to execute his techniques. I figured how to do Glitch from that one http://www.altruistmusic.com/glitch.html not that I do it the same way as Andre or as well ;D ________________________________ From: SOULAR@aol.com [mailto:SOULAR@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to (Loop) thanks for answering my e-mail. i'm looking at the manual alot and am referring to those pages on the loopers delight site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 10:40:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IEdYD22174; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:39:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: [Shameless Self Promotion] "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" recording online! Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:40:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c46cd5$290a47f0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C46CE5.EC962530" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C46CE5.EC962530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After something like 9 months or so, I put up the recordings of my "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" solo loopperformance on the web on the www.zed.cbc.ca site - search for username "moinlabs" and look for the content entitled "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg". "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" was a solo performance at Rivolta Arts&Wine Bar in Desenzano, Italy last November. It followed major equipment restructuring on my side, and what I expected to stay pretty experimental electronica all the time turned for no apparent reason into a breakbeat fest in the second set (see track "Massive Retaliation"). Check it out and enjoy it! Comments and feedback welcome! Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C46CE5.EC962530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After = something like=20 9 months or so, I put up the recordings of my "Neinnein auf dem kleinen = Weg"=20 solo loopperformance on the web on the www.zed.cbc.ca site - search for = username=20 "moinlabs" and look for the content entitled "Neinnein auf dem kleinen=20 Weg".
 
"Neinnein auf dem=20 kleinen Weg" was a solo performance at Rivolta Arts&Wine Bar in = Desenzano,=20 Italy last November. It followed major equipment restructuring on my = side, and=20 what I expected to stay pretty experimental electronica all the time = turned for=20 no apparent reason into a breakbeat fest in the second set (see track = "Massive=20 Retaliation").
 
Check = it out and=20 enjoy it! Comments and feedback welcome!
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family Group=20 - www.straschill.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
 
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C46CE5.EC962530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 10:40:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IEddS22179; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d1.2618a879.2e2be585@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:39:01 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090161541" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1090161541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks dave. i guess i'll try to work within those parameters. but it would've been cool if you could listen to other loops simultaneously, don't you think? also how do you change the length of the original loop before you add layers.? thanks for responding, cory -------------------------------1090161541 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks dave. i guess i'll try to work within those parameters. but it w= ould've been cool if you could listen to other loops simultaneously, don't y= ou think?
   also how do you change the length of the original loop bef= ore you add layers.?
 thanks for responding,  cory
-------------------------------1090161541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 10:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IEkJw23338; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407181445.i6IEjph23268@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:46:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <155.39d9b4d3.2e2b55c7@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRsf2hQPvg7kVpSSxiPyk6/65hi3AAVQBDw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ________________________________ From: SOULAR@aol.com [mailto:SOULAR@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) > here are a few questions i have regarding my echoplex proplus. > i just got it and can't figure out the following. > 1. first of all, i thought you could listen simultaneously to several loops at the same time. i was surprised when i went into the parameter page > and set "more loops" for more than 1 (i set it for 3) and after i recorded something into the first loop and went to the next loop the first loop > stopped sounding. is there a way to hear that first loop while you go to next loop and so on through other loops? or am i really working within 1 > loop at a time with layers. No, think of each individual loop as a different part of a song a three loop setting gives you a three part song (this is really a simplistic answer on my part) > 2.after you record the first "pass" in a loop are the following loops "bound" to the time you used in that first loop? inother words if your first > "pass"is 4 beats ( 1 measure) and approximately 5 seconds do subsequent overdubs have to be the same length? Yes in the case of overbub but, if quantize is off you can change the length via insert and multiply they would be unrounded and don't follow the length of the original loop unless you count your time well and end at the right time (in the case of quantize=off and/or roundmode=off) > 3. when you undo a "layer", is there a way to skip backwards thru layers without undoing a layer. >particularly if you wanted to go back to a layer and change the feedback level on it? No eevrything is sequential in the EDP's memory so, you in effect walk backwards in time as far as undo is concerned. The mechanism to enable selective layer Undo's would probably make the EDP even harder to use but, mastering or just learning it is part of the fun. Think of EDP as a new instrument you are playing two instruments now the EDP and whatever you are playing right now. >i probably will have more questions but would love to get any of the above answered. i appreciate you >help. Thanks That's the nature of the beast we call an EDP there is always something that isn't absolutely clear ;D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 10:51:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IEnWn24171; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407181449.i6IEnHh24137@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:49:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1d1.2618a879.2e2be585@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRs1SzhQvlbs+QeSg6DQiyrd1eylgAANglg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Potentially this could make the EDP difficult to work with but an interesting idea altogether especially if you were loop copying and then using replace in audition (rehearse err!) mode ________________________________ From: SOULAR@aol.com [mailto:SOULAR@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) thanks dave. i guess i'll try to work within those parameters. but it would've been cool if you could listen to other loops simultaneously, don't you think? also how do you change the length of the original loop before you add layers.? thanks for responding, cory From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 11:44:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IFblO30187; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:37:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:37:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:36:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C46CA2.63680640" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1d1.2618a879.2e2be585@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRs1Tz4W6scHSFZQouCVpdAkCq/IQABjd3w Message-Id: <20040718153657.YJHH2273.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C46CA2.63680640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to do something with the Echoplex that I can do with the Fantom S. With the Fantom S, you just set your tempo, and the length of your loop, and it starts recording when you play your 1st note, and goes into overdub at the end of the 1st loop . I assume that this is a possibility with the latest Echoplex software? Can someone please point me to where it discusses how to do this in the documentation. Thank you very much! Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C46CA2.63680640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm trying to do something with the = Echoplex=20 that I can do with  the Fantom S.   With the  Fantom S, you just set your = tempo, and the=20 length of your loop, and it starts recording when you play your 1st = note, and=20 goes into overdub at the end of the 1st loop .

I assume that this is a  = possibility with=20 the latest Echoplex software? Can someone please point me to where it = discusses=20 how to do this in the documentation.  Thank you very = much!

Tom

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C46CA2.63680640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 12:06:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IG42503896; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:04:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407181602.i6IG2rh03556@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:03:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040718153657.YJHH2273.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRs1Tz4W6scHSFZQouCVpdAkCq/IQABjd3wAAD9uVA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know about Tempo Select for setting the loop length/time but about the auto record triggered by a note I am not sure perhaps in MIDI. The only autorecord function I ever used is when you have multiple loops and press the next loop button. You can set your machine to say loop 2 reset that loop and then do a next loop and if that loop were empty it would start recording but, I don't think that is what you want. I usually set recordmode and overdub to SUS as opposed to TOG and count out my loop length to get what I want with TOG I can get Glitchy short overdubs mostly cause I screw up with TOG and don't get the results I want (but that is just me) ________________________________ From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners I'm trying to do something with the Echoplex that I can do with the Fantom S. With the Fantom S, you just set your tempo, and the length of your loop, and it starts recording when you play your 1st note, and goes into overdub at the end of the 1st loop . I assume that this is a possibility with the latest Echoplex software? Can someone please point me to where it discusses how to do this in the documentation. Thank you very much! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 12:42:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IGXx709932; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:33:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:33:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040718153657.YJHH2273.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Thread-Index: AcRs1Tz4W6scHSFZQouCVpdAkCq/IQABjd3wAAIZ/8A= Message-Id: <20040718163335.SGPS9373.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is possible by setting the tempo with TempoSelect--press Undo with Sync=Out. Tempo LEDs will flash, you can then change the tempo with the feedback knob, and fine tune it with Insert and Mute. A short press on Undo then locks the tempo; a long press exits this state. Dunno if the loop will then exit recording at the end, but it definitely sets the length-- And of course the trigger function is available to begin recording when audio is introduced to the EDP. Gary From: Tom Rex wrote: I'm trying to do something with the Echoplex that I can do with the Fantom S. With the Fantom S, you just set your tempo, and the length of your loop, and it starts recording when you play your 1st note, and goes into overdub at the end of the 1st loop . I assume that this is a possibility with the latest Echoplex software? Can someone please point me to where it discusses how to do this in the documentation. Thank you very much! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 13:09:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IH1BM14946; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <145.2e89dfc9.2e2c06aa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:00:26 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex questions ( was: (no subject) ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090170026" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1090170026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi d, thanks for your time in answering my questions. they helped me. cory -------------------------------1090170026 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi d,
 thanks for your time in answering my questions. they helped me.&n= bsp;  cory
-------------------------------1090170026-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 13:24:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IHI0516705; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c46ceb$a8d285e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <1e4.2460d99a.2e1b038a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Zvex Effects Inquiry Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:21:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.193.79] at Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:17:34 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Seek Trem sounds very cool. But its a Zvex, so I should have known that. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Zvex Effects Inquiry > On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > They also have a new pedal out called the Seek Trem. > > Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of that? > > I promised I'd reply once I had firsthand knowledge of this. Mine came in > this past Tuesday and I worked with it for a two nights and then I used in > a performance on Thursday, so I can make a few basic comments by now. > > It's a Seek-Wah, except using eight volume circuits in place of the eight > wah circuits. The sequencer is exactly the same as the Seek-Wah with one > important exception: whenever you step on the Seek-Trem to activate it, it > always starts one the first of the eight (or four, or six: there's a > three-position switch just like on the Seek-Wah to choose 4/6/8). > > It's a tremolo so it's theoretically a subtle effect, but Zachary's > trem is more versatile than I'd anticipated. You can get some choppy > timeslices of sound, echo-like effects, or delicate slow wavering like > looking through old plate glass that's begun to pour down from flat and > vertical. It sounds clear, and is great for what it is. > > Info page and instructions: > http://www.zvex.com/seek-trem.html > > Demo video: > http://www.zvex.com/movies/seek-trem.mov > > Big picture of the artwork: > http://www.zvex.com/seek-trem_lg.html > > best, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subcapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 17:08:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IL5Mh07481; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c46d0a$e0349720$050a5c54@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: Subject: Live 4 - AU effects Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:04:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C46D13.41C062F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C46D13.41C062F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is probably a question for Per.=20 I have just downloaded the Ableton Live 4 beta and I am really into the = fact that you can now use Audio Unit effects - but is it possible to use = the effects of Logic? To explain - I have been developing a set up to use Logic Pro on my = laptop as a live mixer and I'm really into using Tape Delay Fuzz Wah, = Auto Filter,Tremolo etc. Unfortunately it seems impossible to get MIDI = control over effects in Logic - so I am considering using Live instead - = and then load the effects into that and then I'll, hopefully, be able to = control their parameters and mute/unmute etc. Is this possible? If, as I suspect, it is not are there any other third party plug ins = that are as good as Logic's? Cheers, Dave Sturt ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C46D13.41C062F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
This is probably a question for Per. =
I have just downloaded the Ableton Live = 4 beta and=20 I am really into the fact that you can now use Audio Unit effects - but = is it=20 possible to use the effects of Logic?
 
 
To explain - I have been developing a = set up to use=20 Logic Pro on my laptop as a live mixer and I'm really into using Tape=20 Delay Fuzz Wah, Auto Filter,Tremolo etc. Unfortunately it seems = impossible=20 to get MIDI control over effects in Logic - so I am considering using = Live=20 instead - and then load the effects into that and then I'll, hopefully, = be able=20 to control their parameters and mute/unmute etc. Is this = possible?
 
If, as I suspect, it is not are there = any other=20 third party plug ins that are as good as Logic's?
 
Cheers,
 
Dave Sturt
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C46D13.41C062F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 18:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6IM2lK18345; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005401c46d0a$e0349720$050a5c54@computername> References: <005401c46d0a$e0349720$050a5c54@computername> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <125FF508-D906-11D8-B15E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 - AU effects Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:01:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6IM1uh18232 Resent-Message-ID: <64vxcB.A.JdE.VNv-AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-18, at 23.04, Dave Sturt wrote: > Hi, > This is probably a question for Per. > I have just downloaded the Ableton Live 4 beta and I am really into > the fact that you can now use Audio Unit effects - but is it possible > to use the effects of Logic? >   >   > To explain - I have been developing a set up to use Logic Pro on my > laptop as a live mixer and I'm really into using Tape Delay Fuzz Wah, > Auto Filter,Tremolo etc. Unfortunately it seems impossible to get MIDI > control over effects in Logic - so I am considering using Live instead > - and then load the effects into that and then I'll, hopefully, be > able to control their parameters and mute/unmute etc. Is this > possible? >   > If, as I suspect, it is not are there any other third party plug ins > that are as good as Logic's? Hi Dave, No, I'm afraid that's not possible. Logic's effects are part of the application and can only be used within Logic. It's funny that exactly those Logic effects you are naming, are also my favorites! But you can get rather similar effects in Live. Live's Autofilter can similar to some settings of Logic's Autofilter and also similar to the FuzWha. Regarding tremolo you can use any VST in Live. The MDA plug-ins are free and quite good. Think there's a tremolo there. Instead of Logic's Tape Delay you can buy Augustus Loop and run it in Live with midi foot pedals for "slowing down and speeding up the tape". The new version, recent beta, is syncing to Live's clock and you can even loop with it like you do with an Echoplex (although the EDP has some additional functions). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 19:31:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6INTh813413; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:29:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:29:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200407181602.i6IG2rh03556@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRs1Tz4W6scHSFZQouCVpdAkCq/IQABjd3wAAD9uVAAD9OBsA== Message-Id: <20040718232907.CVBP2273.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to both of you. At least now I've got something to start playing around with. Tom ************************* I know about Tempo Select for setting the loop length/time but about the auto record triggered by a note I am not sure perhaps in MIDI. The only autorecord function I ever used is when you have multiple loops and press the next loop button. You can set your machine to say loop 2 reset that loop and then do a next loop and if that loop were empty it would start recording but, I don't think that is what you want. I usually set recordmode and overdub to SUS as opposed to TOG and count out my loop length to get what I want with TOG I can get Glitchy short overdubs mostly cause I screw up with TOG and don't get the results I want (but that is just me) Alan This is possible by setting the tempo with TempoSelect--press Undo with Sync=Out. Tempo LEDs will flash, you can then change the tempo with the feedback knob, and fine tune it with Insert and Mute. A short press on Undo then locks the tempo; a long press exits this state. Dunno if the loop will then exit recording at the end, but it definitely sets the length-- And of course the trigger function is available to begin recording when audio is introduced to the EDP. Gary ________________________________ From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners I'm trying to do something with the Echoplex that I can do with the Fantom S. With the Fantom S, you just set your tempo, and the length of your loop, and it starts recording when you play your 1st note, and goes into overdub at the end of the 1st loop . I assume that this is a possibility with the latest Echoplex software? Can someone please point me to where it discusses how to do this in the documentation. Thank you very much! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 18 21:44:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6J1f6e26536; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:41:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407190139.i6J1dbh25540@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:30:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040718232907.CVBP2273.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRs1Tz4W6scHSFZQouCVpdAkCq/IQABjd3wAAD9uVAAD9OBsAAEAUbA Resent-Message-ID: <2PrQCD.A.aPG.aZy-AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have already used Tempo Select but, didn't find it useful to me (just the way my head works) What I didn't know about (and never tried) was using the audio trigger feature to start recording but again it doesn't fit what I do or how I work musically. I usually like to start playing a little before recording to get the piece going in the right groove and I use Sus rather then Tog to record my initial loop. Setting Recormode=Sus forces me to pay attention to my intended metric and forces me to make a more concerted effort to count measures and beat. It's just a way to make me play in a more orderly and neat fashion and avoid my natural tendency towrds sloppiness. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners Tom ************************* I know about Tempo Select for setting the loop length/time but about the auto record triggered by a note I am not sure perhaps in MIDI. The only autorecord function I ever used is when you have multiple loops and press the next loop button. You can set your machine to say loop 2 reset that loop and then do a next loop and if that loop were empty it would start recording but, I don't think that is what you want. I usually set recordmode and overdub to SUS as opposed to TOG and count out my loop length to get what I want with TOG I can get Glitchy short overdubs mostly cause I screw up with TOG and don't get the results I want (but that is just me) Alan This is possible by setting the tempo with TempoSelect--press Undo with Sync=Out. Tempo LEDs will flash, you can then change the tempo with the feedback knob, and fine tune it with Insert and Mute. A short press on Undo then locks the tempo; a long press exits this state. Dunno if the loop will then exit recording at the end, but it definitely sets the length-- And of course the trigger function is available to begin recording when audio is introduced to the EDP. Gary ________________________________ From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex questions for beginners I'm trying to do something with the Echoplex that I can do with the Fantom S. With the Fantom S, you just set your tempo, and the length of your loop, and it starts recording when you play your 1st note, and goes into overdub at the end of the 1st loop . I assume that this is a possibility with the latest Echoplex software? Can someone please point me to where it discusses how to do this in the documentation. Thank you very much! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 12:31:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6JGTQU29308; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:29:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:29:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:27:56 EDT Subject: EDP repair? best place? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.10db9450.2e2d508c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.10db9450.2e2d508c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, My oft posted about EDP is on the fritz again. Now when I turn the power switch on, the front panel ligths flicker for a moment and then all goes dark.. and stays dark and the unit doesn't work at all. I tried re-seating the RAM.. no change. Any suggestions on an EDP expert to send it to for evaluation/repair? I'm trying to contact Gibson this morning, but they told me thier whole phone system is down and that I'll need to call back later. Thanks! Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com --part1_c4.10db9450.2e2d508c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

My oft posted about EDP is on the fritz again.  Now when I turn the po= wer switch on, the front panel ligths flicker for a moment and then all goes= dark.. and stays dark and the unit doesn't work at all.  I tried re-s= eating the RAM.. no change. 

Any suggestions on an EDP expert to send it to for evaluation/repair? =20= I'm trying to contact Gibson this morning, but they told me thier whole pho= ne system is down and that I'll need to call back later.

Thanks!
Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com --part1_c4.10db9450.2e2d508c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 14:07:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6JHwhY24314; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:58:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c46db9$e13830f0$050a5c54@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: <005401c46d0a$e0349720$050a5c54@computername> <125FF508-D906-11D8-B15E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Live 4 - AU effects Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:57:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Per - glad to see you are into the same effects - great minds......and all that. I've downloaded the MDA plug ins - they are great - nothing quite as fantastic as Fuzz Wah, but pretty close - and the MIDI controllability within Live is just superb. Also downloaded Augustus Loop beta - been considering it anyway - and it looks great - even more possibilities!! I am already using the EDP - so I'm pretty sure I'm getting close to my ultimate set up (until something new comes out!) I'm not sure on the procedure for registering Augustus Loop do I need to download version 1 - can someone (Os?) clear it up? Cheers Dave Sturt www.cipher.f9.co.uk www.jadewarrior.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Live 4 - AU effects On 2004-07-18, at 23.04, Dave Sturt wrote: > Hi, > This is probably a question for Per. > I have just downloaded the Ableton Live 4 beta and I am really into > the fact that you can now use Audio Unit effects - but is it possible > to use the effects of Logic? > > > To explain - I have been developing a set up to use Logic Pro on my > laptop as a live mixer and I'm really into using Tape Delay Fuzz Wah, > Auto Filter,Tremolo etc. Unfortunately it seems impossible to get MIDI > control over effects in Logic - so I am considering using Live instead > - and then load the effects into that and then I'll, hopefully, be > able to control their parameters and mute/unmute etc. Is this > possible? > > If, as I suspect, it is not are there any other third party plug ins > that are as good as Logic's? Hi Dave, No, I'm afraid that's not possible. Logic's effects are part of the application and can only be used within Logic. It's funny that exactly those Logic effects you are naming, are also my favorites! But you can get rather similar effects in Live. Live's Autofilter can similar to some settings of Logic's Autofilter and also similar to the FuzWha. Regarding tremolo you can use any VST in Live. The MDA plug-ins are free and quite good. Think there's a tremolo there. Instead of Logic's Tape Delay you can buy Augustus Loop and run it in Live with midi foot pedals for "slowing down and speeding up the tape". The new version, recent beta, is syncing to Live's clock and you can even loop with it like you do with an Echoplex (although the EDP has some additional functions). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 15:22:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6JJIjK19734; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <00c701c46db9$e13830f0$050a5c54@computername> References: <005401c46d0a$e0349720$050a5c54@computername> <125FF508-D906-11D8-B15E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <00c701c46db9$e13830f0$050a5c54@computername> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <53DFB142-D9B8-11D8-B712-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 - AU effects Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:17:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-07-19, at 19.57, Dave Sturt wrote: > I'm not sure on the procedure for registering Augustus Loop do I need > to > download version 1 - can someone (Os?) clear it up? Hi Dave, Just be sure to have your computer online when opening the plug-in for the first time. Then click the yellow button named "About/Register" (upper right part of GUI). You will get a serial number and then you type it into the plug-in (also back up that number). What went wrong for me was that I never saw a note telling me that it is an online registration system. Happy to hear that more people discover Augustus Loop. Today we have been recording all day with a duo over here and I was playing Augustus all the time, using a guitar. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 15:27:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6JJOZd21139; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <53DFB142-D9B8-11D8-B712-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <005401c46d0a$e0349720$050a5c54@computername> <125FF508-D906-11D8-B15E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <00c701c46db9$e13830f0$050a5c54@computername> <53DFB142-D9B8-11D8-B712-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C44EC10-D9B9-11D8-B712-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 - AU effects Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:23:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I forgot to tell that you can't register the beta. I tried but os helped. The way to go is to first install and registering version 1 and then download and run the beta. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-07-19, at 21.17, Per Boysen wrote: > On 2004-07-19, at 19.57, Dave Sturt wrote: > >> I'm not sure on the procedure for registering Augustus Loop do I need >> to >> download version 1 - can someone (Os?) clear it up? > > Hi Dave, > > Just be sure to have your computer online when opening the plug-in for > the first time. Then click the yellow button named "About/Register" > (upper right part of GUI). You will get a serial number and then you > type it into the plug-in (also back up that number). What went wrong > for me was that I never saw a note telling me that it is an online > registration system. > > Happy to hear that more people discover Augustus Loop. Today we have > been recording all day with a duo over here and I was playing Augustus > all the time, using a guitar. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 16:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6JKfDK06802; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200407191927.i6JJRAG21584@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407191927.i6JJRAG21584@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Dave Sturt" From: Os Subject: Re: Live 4 - AU effects Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:39:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm not sure on the procedure for registering Augustus Loop do I need > to > download version 1 - can someone (Os?) clear it up? yes, you can only register the non-beta version. I made it like this because I never wanted anyone to register a beta copy and then find the favourite thing they registered it for actually got taken out before the final version. and yes, as it says in the manual, product activation needs an internet connection to work. :) cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 17:05:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6JL2RD13417; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040717184737.2821.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040717184737.2821.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Norbergfestival - any loopers going there? (Scandinavia) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:01:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good evening, Any loopers in Scandinavia going to the Norbergfestival for electronic music? http://www.norbergfestival.com/ Would be cool to hook up there! I'm playing on the 29th and will probably hang around for the rest of the festival to mingle and hear good music :-D All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 20:48:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K0ffb01481; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:41:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:41:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407191927.i6JJRAk21586@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407191927.i6JJRAk21586@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-307708326 Message-Id: <774D0C17-D9E5-11D8-8E49-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP repair? best place? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-307708326 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Shane at shane@britishaudioservice.com is who you want to talk to regarding EDP repair. TravisH On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:27 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > From: DialaThos@aol.com > Date: July 19, 2004 9:27:56 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP repair? best place? > > --Apple-Mail-1-307708326 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Shane at shane@britishaudioservice.com is who you want to talk to regarding EDP repair. TravisH On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:27 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000 From: DialaThos@aol.com 0000,0000,0000Date: July 19, 2004 9:27:56 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: EDP repair? best place? --Apple-Mail-1-307708326-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 21:15:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K1DiJ10250; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.3a23ac40.2e2dcb9f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:13:03 EDT Subject: pedal steel / looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.3a23ac40.2e2dcb9f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <9F9KfC.A.7dC.pGH_AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15a.3a23ac40.2e2dcb9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this months GUITAR PLAYER has robert randolph on the cover and under the "riffs" section they have "keller williams' looparama" with a signal chain diagram of keller's set-up.....in fact in the last issue (with the BEATLES on the cover) under the "riff" section they had a story on "richard pinhas' circular logic" where they spoke of his "looping".....two issues in a row with "looping" as story.....i don't feel so lonely..... perhaps it's time to take up tap dancing.....:).....michael --part1_15a.3a23ac40.2e2dcb9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this mo= nths GUITAR PLAYER has robert randolph on the cover and under the "riffs" se= ction they have "keller williams' looparama" with a signal chain diagram of=20= keller's set-up.....in fact in the last issue (with the BEATLES on the cover= ) under the "riff" section they had a story on "richard pinhas' circular log= ic" where they spoke of his "looping".....two issues in a row with "looping"= as story.....i don't feel so lonely..... perhaps it's time to take up tap d= ancing.....:).....michael --part1_15a.3a23ac40.2e2dcb9f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 21:20:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K1E0h10285; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:14:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c46df5$544f1320$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:03:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know of a percussion MIDI controller (with pads that can take a drumstick hit), which sends continuous controller messages? The Repeater, while allowing *some* functions to be controlled via PCs and/or Notes, really requires CCs to get all the best out of it. I'd like to control it via a percussion controller. Any ideas? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 21:36:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K1TTS12034; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:29:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040719182531.01b1d530@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:28:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? In-Reply-To: <007401c46df5$544f1320$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One possibility would be to use a controller that sends notes and then map them to CCs using this: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm Or if you use a laptop, use a software app to do the mapping. At 06:03 PM 2004.07.19, Doug Cox wrote: >Anyone know of a percussion MIDI controller (with pads that can take a >drumstick hit), which sends continuous controller messages? The Repeater, >while allowing *some* functions to be controlled via PCs and/or Notes, >really requires CCs to get all the best out of it. I'd like to control it >via a percussion controller. > >Any ideas? > >Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 21:47:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K1jG513858; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c46df9$a366e3d0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719182531.01b1d530@mail.creepingfog.com> Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:33:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heya Sean, Thanks for replying! I found those units today during some Googling. Kinda seems like a solution of last resort: - only 10 note->cc mappings can be done, total. Seems like they could have a "note number = controller #, velocity = control value" mode, but instead each note->cc mapping takes up one of ten slots - and it costs $150 :( Seems like I should be paying about $200 for the whole damned solution. Am I just being stubborn? I'm "just saying no" to a laptop in this situation. Doesn't someone make a simple multipad controller that can send out MIDI CC's on pad hits? :( Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? > One possibility would be to use a controller that sends notes and then map them to CCs using this: > http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm > > Or if you use a laptop, use a software app to do the mapping. > > > At 06:03 PM 2004.07.19, Doug Cox wrote: > >Anyone know of a percussion MIDI controller (with pads that can take a > >drumstick hit), which sends continuous controller messages? The Repeater, > >while allowing *some* functions to be controlled via PCs and/or Notes, > >really requires CCs to get all the best out of it. I'd like to control it > >via a percussion controller. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 22:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K2ApK18880; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c46dfd$3cbb5540$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719182531.01b1d530@mail.creepingfog.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719185009.019fe438@mail.creepingfog.com> Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:59:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Doesn't someone make a simple multipad controller that can send out MIDI > >CC's on pad hits? :( > > Is the MPD16 made for hands or sticks? > http://www.akaipro.com/us/mpd16.html > Looks like it supports CC output. The only CC that it outputs is from the slider. The pads only output Notes. :( :( :( Sean, I really do appreciate you trying!!! I've spent a few hours Googling, and I'm starting to think there's no such thing. I'm hoping someone can get me headed in the right direction. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 22:14:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K22uH17624; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:02:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:02:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040719185009.019fe438@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:02:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? In-Reply-To: <007f01c46df9$a366e3d0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719182531.01b1d530@mail.creepingfog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:33 PM 2004.07.19, Doug Cox wrote: >Heya Sean, > >Thanks for replying! I found those units today during some Googling. Kinda >seems like a solution of last resort: >- only 10 note->cc mappings can be done, total. Seems like they could have >a "note number = controller #, velocity = control value" mode, but instead Whoops - that's what I assumed was possible... sorry. >each note->cc mapping takes up one of ten slots >- and it costs $150 :( Seems like I should be paying about $200 for the >whole damned solution. Am I just being stubborn? > >I'm "just saying no" to a laptop in this situation. > >Doesn't someone make a simple multipad controller that can send out MIDI >CC's on pad hits? :( Is the MPD16 made for hands or sticks? http://www.akaipro.com/us/mpd16.html Looks like it supports CC output. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 22:49:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K2mku27776; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040719191642.01b1eee0@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:47:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? In-Reply-To: <008701c46dfd$3cbb5540$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719182531.01b1d530@mail.creepingfog.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719185009.019fe438@mail.creepingfog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:59 PM 2004.07.19, Doug Cox wrote: >The only CC that it outputs is from the slider. The pads only output Notes. >:( :( :( I'm a loser, baby... >Sean, I really do appreciate you trying!!! I've spent a few hours Googling, >and I'm starting to think there's no such thing. I'm hoping someone can get >me headed in the right direction. Good luck! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 19 23:08:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K336e31628; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040719231450.0140e650@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:14:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? In-Reply-To: <008701c46dfd$3cbb5540$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719182531.01b1d530@mail.creepingfog.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040719185009.019fe438@mail.creepingfog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's probably expensive overkill to the nth degree, but check out the DrumKAT 3.5 at http://www.alternatemode.com/drumkat_main.shtml The manual says it can send any continuous controller message. It also does MIDI looping. HTH, Nick >> >Doesn't someone make a simple multipad controller that can send out MIDI >> >CC's on pad hits? :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 20 00:04:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K42R606905; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040720040158.66587.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007401c46df5$544f1320$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Doug Cox wrote: > Anyone know of a percussion MIDI controller (with > pads that can take a > drumstick hit), which sends continuous controller > messages? The Repeater, > while allowing *some* functions to be controlled via > PCs and/or Notes, > really requires CCs to get all the best out of it. > I'd like to control it > via a percussion controller. > > Any ideas? > > Doug How about the Roland Handsonic? The two largest pads send CC by position (distance away from center of unit), and all of them have assignable aftertouch, not just velocity. Paolo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 20 10:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6KENGb23715; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c46e64$cf1c7470$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: References: <200407122113.i6CLDsL17411@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Loop/Time copy??? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:21:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <_ldiKD.A.XsF.bpS_AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone tell me what Im doing wrong? More loops =2, hitting next loop and then multiply to LOOPCOPY... No problems... but... hitting next loop and then Insert to TIMECOPY, I just get the same... no I dont.. it actually goes into a insert (so IF there are multiples already done in loop one it just loops cycle 1) But NO TIME COPY... what isnt set properly? Switch Quant is LOP 8th/Cycles is 8 Round mode (have to look that one up again...) is OFF Quantise is 8th... Not certain if I'll use TIMECOPY (my timing aint great ha ha) but wanna try it out MArk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 20 21:21:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6L1JVL18561; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:19:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:19:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c46ec0$a5bb0590$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <200407122113.i6CLDsL17411@hemlock.violacea.com> <001301c46e64$cf1c7470$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Boss RC-20XL Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/en/newproducts/index.html 16 mintues of sample time. Undo. they made it even better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 20 22:33:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6L2Ur500345; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040720204451.0442dce0@icicle.net> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:28:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: M3ch Subject: Re: MIDI percussion control for Repeater? In-Reply-To: <007401c46df5$544f1320$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <007401c46df5$544f1320$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:03 PM 7/19/2004, Doug Cox wrote: >Anyone know of a percussion MIDI controller (with pads that can take a >drumstick hit), which sends continuous controller messages? The Repeater, >while allowing *some* functions to be controlled via PCs and/or Notes, >really requires CCs to get all the best out of it. I'd like to control it >via a percussion controller. > >Any ideas? Okay, here's a solution. It's not perfect, but I think it oughta get you about 90% there... First, troll Ebay for a Peavey PC1600x, MIDI Fader box. I got mine for about a bill-&-a-half, so you're gonna be about three quarters into your budget already (as you've stated previously: there 's about $200 allotted for this project). Next, find a cheap percussion controller. Any old controller. There are lots out there, so you've probably got an idea of what you like already. I've got a Drumkat DK-10 which suits me well (no frills; simply does the job), but of course YMMV. If worse comes to worse, you can pick up a trigger-to-MIDI converter like the old Roland PM-16 for $50-$75, then get some piezo's over at Rat Shack and build whatever you want to whack as a trigger. The only important thing is that your percussion controller sends MIDI Note data. And with any luck, you very well might get both pieces of gear inside your final target $$$ amount. Now, in addition to 16 programmable faders, the PC1600x also incorporates 16 programmable buttons. These buttons can transmit just about any MIDI string you'd like (including SysEx and Continuous Controller) in a variety of modes (one-shot, toggle, on/off, etc.). This is where you're going to concentrate your attention. One of the coolest thing's about the Peavey is that there is a setting under the Utility section called "Remote Button Set-Up". It's discussed in particular on page 15-16 of the manual (available at http://www.peavey.com/support/searchmanuals/list/pc1600x.cfm ). But this essentially lets you configure the unit so that you can trigger any of the 16 buttons via remote Program Change or MIDI Notes. Set it up so that the notes output by your percussion controller are the source of your Remote Button triggers. At that point, you're pretty much done: program the CC strings into the buttons and go. The "gotchas" here are that, as far as I know, you'll only be able to send a pre-defined string with each trigger. So your idea of having Note Number determine the CC number, then having the velocity determine the value won't really work. While you can easily link the Note # to Continuous Controller number, I'm not certain how you'd get the velocity to set the value. Although if you're working with a percussion controller -- like the PM-16 -- that can stack multiple notes then cross-switch based on the velocity at which you're striking the pad, then you just might be able to approach something similar. Another useful thing is that you can store multiple setups for your button/fader configurations, so you'll have lots of options from which to choose during a gig. And you can also control some of the Repeater's key functions (i.e. Pitch Transpose, or Time-Stretch) from a fader -- heck, you've got 16 of 'em just sitting there -- or get an expression footpedal and assign those functions to it. Take a look through the PC1600X manual. There's a lot there, but once you get your head around it, the thing's a seriously awesome device. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 01:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6L4wdJ27418; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:58:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:59:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Boss RC-20XL In-Reply-To: <000d01c46ec0$a5bb0590$6402a8c0@breakyii> Message-ID: References: <200407122113.i6CLDsL17411@hemlock.violacea.com> <001301c46e64$cf1c7470$5a01a8c0@mark> <000d01c46ec0$a5bb0590$6402a8c0@breakyii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5jkPjD.A.srG.tff_AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/en/newproducts/index.html Direct link to product description: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/index.html > 16 mintues of sample time. > > Undo. > > they made it even better. Looks like an upgrade path for me. Time to start saving up :). Thanks for mentioning this. best, Steve Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 01:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6L5Z8b04784; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:35:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:35:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: OT - RE: [LOOP] Boss RC-20XL Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:36:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:34:30 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As cool as the XL is, what really caught my eye was the DR-880. But no availability info. An UK gear site says "later this year". -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Boss RC-20XL On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/en/newproducts/index.html Direct link to product description: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/index.html > 16 mintues of sample time. > > Undo. > > they made it even better. Looks like an upgrade path for me. Time to start saving up :). Thanks for mentioning this. best, Steve Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 06:16:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LAEPx22586; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040721101331.17312.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Ash Grunwald (Blues with a Looper) More Steel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407171709.i6HH9vh12786@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and he is just using a Boss looper! Great stuff! L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > This is something I have been trying to do a bit of > myself (on Fiddle) only > I don't do it as well as this guy Ash Grunwald > http://www.ashgrunwald.com/index.htm does it :( > > Listen to this one > http://www.ashgrunwald.com/mp3/AshGrunwald_HowManyMoreYears.mp3 > nice > variation on the Andre Glitch Rhythm in the backing > nice rendition > altogether of an old blues standard. > > Interview > http://www.musicomh.com/interviews/ash-grunwald.htm > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 10:30:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LETAF20056; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT - RE: [LOOP] Boss RC-20XL Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:32:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where's the feedback control? IMO, it's the feature that makes it a deal breaker for me. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 10:53:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LEokS23864; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407211449.i6LEngh23695@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Ash Grunwald (Blues with a Looper) More Steel Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040721101331.17312.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcRvC7oNeFACOXrFQXaNZeGPAi2lPwAI2V4g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you get something to play on Luis I managed to get a Morrell student six string for $82 shipped. It isn't too bad for a plank of Alder (possibly) with one Tele bridge pickup and one volume control on it. Even the inexpensive tuners look strong enough to survive long term usage. I doubt I would bother to even resell it more likely use it as a test platform for modifications and testing ideas on. Thanks to whoever mentioned the string bending behind the bar technique and slants are pretty cool to. This is a fun instrument now I am not sure if I even care about a pedal steel (got enough buttons to worry about already) more strings for diverse tunings and improved facilities and a console would be nice. -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ash Grunwald (Blues with a Looper) More Steel and he is just using a Boss looper! Great stuff! L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > This is something I have been trying to do a bit of myself (on Fiddle) > only I don't do it as well as this guy Ash Grunwald > http://www.ashgrunwald.com/index.htm does it :( > > Listen to this one > http://www.ashgrunwald.com/mp3/AshGrunwald_HowManyMoreYears.mp3 > nice > variation on the Andre Glitch Rhythm in the backing nice rendition > altogether of an old blues standard. > > Interview > http://www.musicomh.com/interviews/ash-grunwald.htm > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 13:17:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LH9f927577; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Boss RC-20 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:08:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcRvL3KZya1VqYsdQO+3pB6yK2bKTQAFL9YQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040721170823.DATM17678.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - RE: [LOOP] Boss RC-20XL Where's the feedback control? IMO, it's the feature that makes it a deal breaker for me. Mark ----->I picked up the original and have been using it in a non-MIDI loop setup. It doesn't work as a delay pedal--hence no feedback. I wonder how the "fade-out" function works--that might provide the element Markie is longing for in the new pedal. SOMEONE should make a pedal looper based on this FX-94 that Matt Davignon uses--it's got lots of stuff but only 4 sec of looping, would make a KILLER looper if it were longer delay times (and had MIDI--oh never mind). In other news, I spoke with list member Tom Griesgraber--he sold over a thousand of his CDs locally while playing at the San Diego County Fair. I caught him playing there one day, and he used long delays (either a Repeater or the EDP) to freeform on his closing number. Of course he plays Chapman stick so looping is a luxury for him, not a staple. It's nice to know people are still buying product when they hear something special. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 13:50:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LHmsV03488; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <26C8EEC2-DB3E-11D8-9DFB-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: River Run is updated Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:48:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Everyone- This message is primarily for Mark Sottilaro, but I thought there may be other LD'ers interested... The Nautilus bundle, which contains the granular synthesis plug-in River Run, has been updated for OS X. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 14:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LIrnM16590; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040721185309.76336.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Ash Grunwald (Blues with a Looper) More Steel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407211449.i6LEngh23695@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alan! yeah man i got a hold of an old Magnatone troubadour lap steel pretty cheap,quite old but its got a cool hawaiian sound.But ill still keep an eye for a used pedal steel maybe when i come to america... L.a --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Did you get something to play on Luis I managed to > get a Morrell student six > string for $82 shipped. It isn't too bad for a plank > of Alder (possibly) > with one Tele bridge pickup and one volume control > on it. Even the > inexpensive tuners look strong enough to survive > long term usage. I doubt I > would bother to even resell it more likely use it > as a test platform for > modifications and testing ideas on. Thanks to > whoever mentioned the string > bending behind the bar technique and slants are > pretty cool to. This is a > fun instrument now I am not sure if I even care > about a pedal steel (got > enough buttons to worry about already) more strings > for diverse tunings and > improved facilities and a console would be nice. > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:14 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ash Grunwald (Blues with a Looper) More > Steel > > and he is just using a Boss looper! > Great stuff! > L.a > > > > > --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > > This is something I have been trying to do a bit > of myself (on Fiddle) > > only I don't do it as well as this guy Ash > Grunwald > > http://www.ashgrunwald.com/index.htm does it :( > > > > Listen to this one > > > http://www.ashgrunwald.com/mp3/AshGrunwald_HowManyMoreYears.mp3 > > nice > > variation on the Andre Glitch Rhythm in the > backing nice rendition > > altogether of an old blues standard. > > > > Interview > > > http://www.musicomh.com/interviews/ash-grunwald.htm > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 15:08:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LJ5MY19975; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <26C8EEC2-DB3E-11D8-9DFB-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> References: <26C8EEC2-DB3E-11D8-9DFB-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: River Run is updated Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:04:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOO HOO HOODY HOO HOO. Damn. Thanks for the info. It's like I just got $400 worth of software back. Cool effects, BTW if that's what you're looking for. River Run does real time grandular synthesis that's really great. If you've played with "Thronk" (sp?) it's kind of based on that software. Mark On Jul 21, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Mark Landman wrote: > Hello Everyone- > > This message is primarily for Mark Sottilaro, but I thought there may > be other LD'ers interested... > > The Nautilus bundle, which contains the granular synthesis plug-in > River Run, has been updated for OS X. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 15:56:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6LJtEk27696; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c46f5c$7320a490$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040721170823.DATM17678.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:53:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for the DFX94 lover in all. http://manecolooper.tripod.com They are like a updated version. A friend of mine just got a custom one.....It is 100% amazing. Here is a clip of what it can do, the only other pedal used is a yamaha magic stomp for reverb and a korg ampworks for a preamp. http://fiveways.illogic.net/clayton/Maneco%20Symphony.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: Boss RC-20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT - RE: [LOOP] Boss RC-20XL > > Where's the feedback control? IMO, it's the feature that makes it a deal > breaker for me. > > Mark > > ----->I picked up the original and have been using it in a non-MIDI loop > setup. It doesn't work as a delay pedal--hence no feedback. I wonder how > the "fade-out" function works--that might provide the element Markie is > longing for in the new pedal. > > SOMEONE should make a pedal looper based on this FX-94 that Matt Davignon > uses--it's got lots of stuff but only 4 sec of looping, would make a KILLER > looper if it were longer delay times (and had MIDI--oh never mind). > > In other news, I spoke with list member Tom Griesgraber--he sold over a > thousand of his CDs locally while playing at the San Diego County Fair. I > caught him playing there one day, and he used long delays (either a Repeater > or the EDP) to freeform on his closing number. Of course he plays Chapman > stick so looping is a luxury for him, not a staple. It's nice to know > people are still buying product when they hear something special. > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 21 20:13:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6M05EF10847; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c46f80$05463240$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: OT - Super-Cannes Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:08:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.220.153] at Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:04:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally got some Super-Cannes music, my recent band, webbed up. I'm baffled what genre this falls into. I jokingly refer to it as hip-hop prog-rock with IDM flavorings. Please let me know what genre-boxes you think I ought to be using. Anyway, there's lots of looping in these tracks: http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=list I'm curious to know what you think. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 05:50:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6M9g9U01048; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:42:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE LAND" To: Subject: EDP Record Long Press Malfunction Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:41:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C46F9D.CB070500" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C46F9D.CB070500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ya'll, Anybody have any insight into why my long press of the record button (Loop Reset) is acting up on my new Black Face EDP? My midi controller won't make it reset and I have to press multiple times on the EDP front panel record button to get it to work. It's definitely in the EDP and not the controller (PMC10). I usually have to press 3-5 times to get it to reset. If you press once and keep it pressed it does nothing. Any help would be great. Oh yeah thank you Kim for my other problem I had a while back with the extra space at the end of a Multiply...the Quantize function did accidentally got turned on. -Arthur Lee www.arthurleeland.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C46F9D.CB070500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi ya’ll,

 

Anybody have any insight into why my long press of = the record button (Loop Reset) is acting up on my new Black Face = EDP?

My midi controller won’t make it reset and I = have to press multiple times on the EDP front panel record button to get it to = work.

It’s definitely in the EDP and not the = controller (PMC10). I usually have to press 3-5 times to get it to reset. If you = press once and keep it pressed it does nothing.

 

Any help would be great.

 

Oh yeah thank you Kim for my other problem I had a = while back with the extra space at the end of a Multiply...the Quantize function did accidentally got turned on. =

 

-Arthur Lee

 

www.arthurleeland.com

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C46F9D.CB070500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 12:51:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MGlu802902; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:47:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:47:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:45:42 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <028a01c4700b$54413fd0$6601a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_m+e4oBmujW1LyMUG19v7tQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_m+e4oBmujW1LyMUG19v7tQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I was just listening to an MP3 of a song called "If", and I'd like to know who wrote it. It's done on Acoustic guitar. I tried to play it, and I was wondering if it uses capo 3 or is an alternate tuning used. Thanks! Brian --Boundary_(ID_m+e4oBmujW1LyMUG19v7tQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I was just listening to an MP3 of a song called "If", and I'd like to know who wrote it. It's done on Acoustic guitar.
 
I tried to play it, and I was wondering if it uses capo 3 or is an alternate tuning used.
 
Thanks!
 
Brian
--Boundary_(ID_m+e4oBmujW1LyMUG19v7tQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 12:53:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MGpFV03514; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:51:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4700C.11FD200D" Subject: RE: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:51:01 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7030BEAC2@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? Thread-Index: AcRwC5dkKCLl9BBiTESPC6Nv9mbbewAAGs+Q From: "Alen Cileli" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-LW_2C.A.f2.2B__AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4700C.11FD200D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you might be referring to an old Pink Floyd song on "Atom Heart = Mother" -----Original Message----- From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy1@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? I was just listening to an MP3 of a song called "If", and I'd like to = know who wrote it. It's done on Acoustic guitar. =20 I tried to play it, and I was wondering if it uses capo 3 or is an = alternate tuning used. =20 Thanks! =20 Brian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4700C.11FD200D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 think you might be referring to an old Pink Floyd song on "Atom Heart=20 Mother"
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carabee=20 [mailto:compguy1@optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, = 2004 12:46=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Who=20 did the song "If" on acoustic guitar?

I was just listening to an MP3 of a = song called=20 "If", and I'd like to know who wrote it. It's done on Acoustic=20 guitar.
 
I tried to play it, and I was = wondering if it=20 uses capo 3 or is an alternate tuning used.
 
Thanks!
 
Brian
------_=_NextPart_001_01C4700C.11FD200D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 12:57:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MGnFu03246; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1BngkX-1pJr-0MKyxe-0003fs@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP Record Long Press Malfunction Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:48:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRv2lfPeZHbgdByQ/G6t5ObC1oDQAAMNGwA In-Reply-To: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had this problem with my beige face EDP and the PMC10...I also got so used to the metal switches I used on my EFC1 controller, that I would always double press the small switches on the PMC10...It is impossible for me (unless I go barefoot) to hit those switches right! As a result, Im selling it (the PMC10, not the EDP): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3736669741 Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ________________________________ From: ARTHUR LEE LAND [mailto:info@arthurleemusic.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:42 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Record Long Press Malfunction My midi controller won't make it reset and I have to press multiple times on the EDP front panel record button to get it to work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 13:16:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MH9M007151; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:09:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:09:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:08:26 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029801c4700e$8139abf0$6601a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nu+aie1v3NvFicf9HXHUlg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7030BEAC2@bioebe.biotek.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6kG-LB.A.AuB.KS__AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nu+aie1v3NvFicf9HXHUlg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Actually, it was written by someone on this list. I went to their website and d/l'd it. I should have mentioned that, but thanks for the response! Brian ps I think I'll give AHM a listen-to, anyway, just for old times sake. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alen Cileli To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? I think you might be referring to an old Pink Floyd song on "Atom Heart Mother" -----Original Message----- From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy1@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar? I was just listening to an MP3 of a song called "If", and I'd like to know who wrote it. It's done on Acoustic guitar. I tried to play it, and I was wondering if it uses capo 3 or is an alternate tuning used. Thanks! Brian --Boundary_(ID_nu+aie1v3NvFicf9HXHUlg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Actually, it was written by someone on this list. I went to their website and d/l'd it.
 
I should have mentioned that, but thanks for the response!
 
Brian
 
ps I think I'll give AHM a listen-to, anyway, just for old times sake.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar?

I think you might be referring to an old Pink Floyd song on "Atom Heart Mother"
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy1@optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Who did the song "If" on acoustic guitar?

I was just listening to an MP3 of a song called "If", and I'd like to know who wrote it. It's done on Acoustic guitar.
 
I tried to play it, and I was wondering if it uses capo 3 or is an alternate tuning used.
 
Thanks!
 
Brian
--Boundary_(ID_nu+aie1v3NvFicf9HXHUlg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 13:44:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MHZPH11659; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005801c46f80$05463240$0affff0a@hppav> References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <005801c46f80$05463240$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A0D7206-DC05-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: OT - Super-Cannes Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:34:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Genera, schmanera, these tracks are great. Groovatious jazzy IDM progrockesque tracks. My only complaint is that the tracks seem to end too soon. I didn't see a link to buy a CD. Is there one for sale? Mark On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:08 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I finally got some Super-Cannes music, my recent band, webbed up. I'm > baffled what genre this falls into. I jokingly refer to it as hip-hop > prog-rock with IDM flavorings. Please let me know what genre-boxes > you > think I ought to be using. > > Anyway, there's lots of looping in these tracks: > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html? > tag=list > > I'm curious to know what you think. > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 15:06:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MJ5NF25839; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4702F.5509DCA0@dyn-83-152-23-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT - Super-Cannes Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:03:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4702F.5509DCA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4702F.5509DCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so it sounds like I am not the only one who likes your music David=20 and would like to buy some ... ;-) Best Francois http://fr.lebrun.free.fr check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: msottilaro [SMTP:sine@zerocrossing.net] Date: jeudi 22 juillet 2004 19:34 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: OT - Super-Cannes Genera, schmanera, these tracks are great. Groovatious jazzy IDM =20 progrockesque tracks. My only complaint is that the tracks seem to end = too soon. I didn't see a link to buy a CD. Is there one for sale? Mark On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:08 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I finally got some Super-Cannes music, my recent band, webbed up. I'm > baffled what genre this falls into. I jokingly refer to it as hip-hop > prog-rock with IDM flavorings. 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7030BEAC2@bioebe.biotek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Alen Cileli wrote: > I think you might be referring to an old Pink Floyd > song on "Atom Heart Mother" Not sure if it's the same version but there is a nice version of it on the PF soundtrack to the movie More - and I have an awesome live BBC concert of that song. It's a great tune along with Green is the Colour :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 15:37:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MJT6i30559; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SOULAR@aol.com Message-ID: <103.4afbc366.2e316f14@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:27:16 EDT Subject: EPD Question on More Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090524436" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1090524436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, does anyone know if you can set more loops to more than 1 and hear both loops at the same time? thanks, c -------------------------------1090524436 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,
does anyone know if you can set more loops to more than 1 and hear both= loops at the same time?  thanks, c
-------------------------------1090524436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 15:46:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MJiSW01054; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <410018F6.00008F.01464@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:43:50 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_2TQ90FE9RN0000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <01C4702F.5509DCA0@dyn-83-152-23-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT - Super-Cannes X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <5csrrC.A.RO.3jBABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_2TQ90FE9RN0000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not ture....i have it up right now....i like it a lot. =0D would you consider a colaberation?=0D i do advent' loop/sound poetry. =0D this would be intereresting to work with.=0D below is a link to my current project. =0D take a listen and let me know. =0D =0D Notions/Your GOP/Puffy/Adult are the most track complete. =0D either way....cool stuff.=0D =0D http://chickiboom.com/records/current/index.htm=0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 07/22/04 12:04:25=0D To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=0D Subject: RE: OT - Super-Cannes=0D =0D so it sounds like I am not the only one who likes your music David=0D and would like to buy some ... ;-)=0D =0D Best=0D =0D Francois=0D http://fr.lebrun.free.fr=0D check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times=0D =0D -----Message d'origine-----=0D De: msottilaro [SMTP:sine@zerocrossing.net]=0D Date: jeudi 22 juillet 2004 19:34=0D =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Objet: Re: OT - Super-Cannes=0D =0D Genera, schmanera, these tracks are great. Groovatious jazzy IDM=0D progrockesque tracks. My only complaint is that the tracks seem to end=0D too soon. I didn't see a link to buy a CD. Is there one for sale?=0D =0D Mark=0D =0D On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:08 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:=0D =0D > I finally got some Super-Cannes music, my recent band, webbed up. I'm=0D > baffled what genre this falls into. I jokingly refer to it as hip-hop=0D > prog-rock with IDM flavorings. Please let me know what genre-boxes=0D > you=0D > think I ought to be using.=0D >=0D > Anyway, there's lots of looping in these tracks:=0D > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?=0D > tag=3Dlist=0D >=0D > I'm curious to know what you think.=0D >=0D > David=0D >=0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_2TQ90FE9RN0000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
not ture....i have it up right now....i like it a lot.
would you consider a colaberation?
i do advent' loop/sound poetry.
this would be intereresting to work with.
below is a link to my current project.
take a listen and let me know.
 
Notions/Your GOP/Puffy/Adult are the most track complete.
either way....cool stuff.
 
 
 
 
Date: 07/22/04 12:= 04:25
Subject: RE: OT - = Super-Cannes
 
so it sounds like I am not the only one who likes your music David
and would like to buy some  ...  ;-)
 
Best
 
Francois
  check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times
 
-----Message d'origine-----
Date: jeudi 22 juillet 2004 19:34
Objet: Re: OT - Super-Cannes
 
Genera, schmanera, these tracks are great.  Groovatious ja= zzy IDM
progrockesque tracks.  My only complaint is that the track= s seem to end
too soon.  I didn't see a link to buy a CD.  Is = there one for sale?
 
Mark
 
On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:08 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:
 
> I finally got some Super-Cannes music, my recent band, webbed u= p.  I'm
> baffled what genre this falls into.  I jokingly refer= to it as hip-hop
> prog-rock with IDM flavorings.   Please let me know w= hat genre-boxes
> you
> think I ought to be using.
>
> Anyway, there's lots of looping in these tracks:
> tag=3Dlist
>
> I'm curious to know what you think.
>
> David
>
 
 
 
--------------Boundary-00=_2TQ90FE9RN0000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 16:38:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MKYuh09443; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:50:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Dual Echo Pros for Stereo Looping, First Impressions... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Given the recent blowout by Line 6 of their rack mount modelers, I took the plunge and grabbed a second Line 6 Echo Pro, figuring that if I didn't get this harebrained scheme to work I could probably turn it around on Ebay for what I paid. Since a few people on the list were at least curious about the viability of doing this, here's a quick write-up of what I've seen thusfar. "What The Hell Are You Doing And Why???" Okay, some background: My current looping setup already consists of two loopers, working asynchronously (hi mark!). The main looper is my Repeater, which is connected into the effects loop on my mixer. However, I'd also hardwired my Echo Pro into my E-mu Morpheus so I could use it for looped textures, drones, and effects. Like many other E-mu units, you can actually use the multiple outs on the back of the Morpheus as effect send/returns to integrate external effects directly into the synth architecture. Thus, the Echo Pro was directly wired into the Morpheus. As we already know, the Loop Sampler algorithm on the Echo Pro is mono. And, while working with the Morpheus, I started to become quite aggravated at the fact that I was able to come up with these cool, swirly, stereo textures that were then squashed down into a fair approximation of an AM radio as soon as I looped them. Thus, I came up with the idea that I'd try running *two* Echo Pros -- both in mono -- respectively across each side of the stereo spread. The units would each be set to the same MIDI channel to ensure that they could be triggered and controlled simultaneously. At least at the outset, the patches would likewise be identical on both units. So, in short the dual Echo Pros would be simulating a single stereo looper. "Um, That Won't Really Work, Now Will It?" For anyone else planning on doing something similar, there's one important caveat to this scheme that has to be stated up front. There is no available mechanism to provide continuous synchronization between the two Echo Pros. We're merely starting and looping the two units at the exact same millisecond via MIDI. Unfortunately, the looper in the Echo Pro will not sync to MIDI clock, and there certainly isn't anything approaching the sample-accurate Brother Sync on the EDP (however, the overall solution using Echo Pros also costs a quarter of what one would have to pay for a pair of synced EDP's). As Kim himself has mentioned on the LD list earlier, there is no such thing as a pair of perfectly identical clock sources. If you took two identical stopwatches and started them at exactly the same instant, they would still eventually drift apart without any sort of external mechanism to continually bring them back into sync. That is just what we're talking about here, so it's understood that the loops *will* eventually drift out of sync between the left and right channels. The main point of the experiment is to see just how badly they'll drift, or if the drift can be used in an interesting manner. "You've Bored Us To Tears With Background. So How Well Does It Actually Work?" Pretty well, overall. But there are a couple of fairly severe things to keep in mind up front. I discovered early that this is a "chaotic" system: as a test goes on, it progressively approaches entropy. And many external factors can affect the results; even something as seemingly insignificant as the order of the devices in the MIDI chain, or the type/quality of the MIDI cables used. Since timing was the primary function to be tested, I used a computer to generate the "Record" and "Loop" cues via MIDI. This enabled me to loop exactly one bar at a defined BPM. I then programmed a single sidestick hit (in mono, to make certain the sound was evenly divided between left and right channels), and began to count the number of measures it would take for the two independent loops to begin drifting noticeably. Later, I reconfirmed the results using a two measure loop, with high-hats on each beat, bass drum on beat one of the first measure, and sidestick on beat one of the second measure. Listed here are the "worst case" results. These, by average, also ended up being the most consistent results, so they're probably what you could well expect if you were to put together a similar architecture. However, it's got to be pointed out that every so often (about once every 5-7 tests) I would get two loops that would stay in sync almost perfectly for a very, very, very long time; they would not drift into a sixteenth or eighth note difference for at least 500-700 repetitions of the loop (about the time I finally got sick of counting). So, press 'play'. I found that once I began a test you could usually identify a noticeable drift in phase coherence almost immediately if you were using headphones. This shouldn't really be too much of a nuisance unless both channels of the stereo signal are squashed back together into mono (and why are you bothering with dual Echo Pros in the first place if you're going to squash it all back into mono), which would cause it to sound like flanging and phase shifting. In fact, depending largely upon the material, this micro-delay may actually aid stereo separation under certain circumstances. Significant separation or beating between the two loops was not noticeable until about 17-20 measures into the test. At that point, it was possible to distinguished the looped sidestick as two distinct hits (a flam, for all intents). The two loops fell into an unmistakable rhythmic pattern around the 40th repetition, at which time they sounded as two sixteenth notes, one following immediately after the other. An eighth note rhythmic pattern was achieved at approximately the 80th measure, while a full beat (quarter note) difference was finally distinguished around measure 150. In most tests, I didn't continue to count further. By extrapolation one could determine that a half-note would fall around 300th loop iteration and a complete turnaround of a single-measure loop would happen approximately at measure 600. Following the initial tests, I went back through and performed the same experiment using longer loop lengths, as well as performing it under different tempos. I found that these results did not differ dramatically from the original test. I also attempted to repeat the experiment while conducting multiple overdubs during the process. This was to see if recording the overdubs would place additional strain on the CPU and affect the clock source, therefore causing the units to drift out of sync faster. This likewise resulted in no deviation in the results. First disclaimer: While I use the term "measure" here, that is only for the purpose of this particular experiment. Here, one measure = one repetition of the loop. By no means does the loop have to equal one measure, as it could easily be more (or less). Thus we see that the loops begin to become rhythmically distinct after about 40-50 iterations. If the original loop is many measures long, then it will simply take that much longer for the left and right sides to go out of sync. Second disclaimer: These results are particular only between my two Echo Pros. We cannot necessarily say for certain what the results would be between two completely different Echo Pros, as manufacturing runs on the hardware may have used different part lots. The tolerance of variation on these parts may certainly be different from lot to lot. However, these tests should at least give us some ballpark estimate. "Punch the Magic Button..." One technique which I found absolutely essential for working with this setup is what I call the Loop Realign functionality. This is something I've put together all on my own (as opposed to some explicit function of the Echo Pro). Essentially, it allows you to reset the loop back to its original synchronized state, just as if it were freshly recorded. Setting up a Realign function is relatively easy, provided you've a MIDI controller which will allow you to send two MIDI messages in rapid succession. The theory is simple: send a message to stop the loops on both Echo Pros, immediately followed by another to restart them again. This should reset the synchronization of the two loops back to the state at which they began when first recorded. The Echo Pro allows you to access the Stop and Play functions of the Looper through MIDI in a variety of methods, including Continuous Controller, Program Change, or even via MIDI Notes. I found using the MIDI CC's the easiest for my particular MIDI foot controller (a Peavey PC1600x), and thus set up a single button/footswitch that would fire off CC #28 with a value of 0 (Loop Stop), immediately followed by the same CC with a value of 127 (Loop Play). This effectively resets the loops back to their original state of synchronization. There is another issue here to keep in mind as well, though. If there were any overdubs later recorded onto the loop while the original loops were already out of sync, then those overdubs will be taken out of sync the moment you realign the original loop. Usually there was little noticeable effect as long as the base loops were realigned before beginning an overdub, or at least when the base loops weren't heinously out of sync (like around the 40th repetition) before overdubbing began. Of course, there are times when realigning overdubs out-of-time can be a useful effect in and of itself. Similarly, If you've dancin' feet, you could also use the Realign button in rapid succession to achieve a stutter effect on the loop ("ni-ni-ni-ni-nineteen") in much the same manner as samplers abused such functionality over two decades ago. "Okay, Break It Down For Us..." So all the test methodology and results aside, how well does it work *musically*? Obviously, for the test, I wanted to use sounds and material that would most strenuously point out the strengths and flaws of the setup. But now we have to inquire how well the architecture performs with real musical content. In that respect, I've got to say that, frankly, I'm really quite pleased. Rather than just using sidesticks and sharp percussion hits -- as I did in the lab -- I've now spent a few nights actually playing and looping the Morpheus with the dual Echo Pros. In using various sorts of content (pads, leads, comps, guitar emulations, tuned percussion, effects, etc.), I've yet to come across a situation where the synchronization issues have really given me fits. In fact, in most cases where I eventually hit the Realign button, I've actually been less pleased with the tightly-synced loops than I was when they had drifted ever so slightly out-of-sync. In many cases, the drift does seem to somewhat enhance the stereo imaging without completely botching the timing. I was even able to consistently yank both units down to half-speed and back, reverse them, overdub, revert the loops to normal, then do it all over again and again in any order. The loops and their content stayed as tight as if I'd merely left them to repeat normally. Sweet! Further afield, there's still plenty with which to experiment in this setup. For instance, everything we've discussed so far has taken for granted that the parameters on each unit match each other exactly. But what if we set the internal delay's parameters for Time, Feedback, and/or Echo Modulation differently on each unit? Or what if we intentionally split and varied the content going into each Echo Pro, so that it is truly two mono streams? Finally, one trick which has been pointed out is the fact that the 1/4 inch and XLR inputs/outputs for the Echo Pro are all active simultaneously. There have been some interesting results that have occurred when others have cross-connected between the two units though the jacks not used for standard I/O. In conclusion, I've found that implementing dual Echo Pros to be a much more viable solution than I'd believed it could be when I first began researching this idea. It gives one the immediacy and simplicity that people have come to appreciate from using the Line 6 Loop Sampler algorithm in either the DL-4 or single Echo Pro, as well as better quality input and output (compared to the DL-4), more user presets, and most importantly *stereo* implementation of the looper. This is invaluable to those of us for whom stereo is not just a nice "extra", but is indeed a core requirement. When I started this, I was hoping merely to solve a major annoyance with my secondary looper in relation to my Repeater. Now, in the end, I find that by solving that problem I've constructed a completely viable stereo-looping setup in its own right. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 16:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MKoKa11730; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10225430.1090529334950.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:48:54 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EPD Question on More Loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9Nfph.A.90C.4gCABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, the EDP only supports playback of one loop at a time. You can overdub onto a loop so that each loop contains multiple layers of audio information. If you set MoreLoops to >1, you just get to switch between those loops. TravisH Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:27:16 EDT From: SOULAR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EPD Question on More Loops Message-ID: <103.4afbc366.2e316f14@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090524436" -------------------------------1090524436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, does anyone know if you can set more loops to more than 1 and hear both loops at the same time? thanks, c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 18:46:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MMjGe28719; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Stereoization (revisited) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:44:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SO... in case you don't remember I was looking for a device that would "stereoize" my mono output of the Electro-Harmonix DD16 Reissue. I found it! OK, I broke my own rules, and went with something that ended up being about 3 times my original budget. Duh. What started as a $50 add on became a $200 device. I went with a Boss VF-1. It's actually a very cool box. Half rack. Fits almost perfectly under the EH DD16. Some velcro and they're one unit. I'm not going to go into a heavy description about this device, but it's got a lot of midi sync abilities (nice because the DD16 has MIDI clock out) good sound and you can easily find them used on ebay. One cool thing about it is it's a "swiss army knife" type device designed with patches aimed at guitarists complete with "amp models" as well as stuff designed for keyboardists and vocalists. The fun was running keyboard stuff through the guitar models for some nice distorto fun. The amp models weren't all that on my guitar, but actually really shown when my keyboards were sent through them. Anyway, it's easy to program, good 24 bit effects, lot's of them totally over the top fuck-shit-up mania. Seems to be pretty good about the tone when bypassed as well, which is a plus. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 18:49:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MMjGi28721; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <51DBDE1E-DC2F-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros for Stereo Looping, First Impressions... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:34:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know I've said this before, but as someone who values a stereo looper a lot, what you're describing sounds fun, but not stereo. I've been playing a lot lately with dual loops that I tap out manually to be close, and watch as they develop their own patterns. I wouldn't call them stereo though as that really denotes a dual channel that is perfectly synced. Fun none the less though. I've also had a lot of fun taking a stereo loop in the repeater and turning it into a dual mono loop and using the "slip" function to move them in and out of sync. Lots and lots of possibilities there. Mark On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:50 PM, Mech wrote: > > When I started this, I was hoping merely to solve a major annoyance > with my secondary looper in relation to my Repeater. Now, in the end, > I find that by solving that problem I've constructed a completely > viable stereo-looping setup in its own right. > > --m. > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 19:05:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MN3eh32432; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <143.2e92a42e.2e31a1ad@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:03:09 EDT Subject: OT: Cheap-o Lap-Steel at MF hits $69 Again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6MN3Oh32384 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, For those who might care, the price of that cheap-o Artisan EA-1 lap steel guitar has just hit $69.99 again at Musicians Fiend. It fluctuates between $99.99 and $69.99 periodically so the deal is not always the same from day to day. Who knows why. I just ordered myself a metallic black one and got a 5 percent discount because of my ASCAP membership on top of it. Cool beans! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 19:09:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MN8f601259; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c4703f$f92468e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> <51DBDE1E-DC2F-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros for Stereo Looping, First Impressions... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've also had a lot of fun taking a stereo loop in the repeater and > turning it into a dual mono loop and using the "slip" function to move > them in and out of sync. Lots and lots of possibilities there. Hey Mark, Could you walk us through the steps you use to do this? How do you mono-ize a set of stereo tracks on the Repeater, and then how do you usually give it slip commands? I figure the Repeater owners on the list might benefit from a rundown. I know I will! Thanks in advance. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 19:22:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MNKH603077; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c47042$f6f94420$5893a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <01C4702F.5509DCA0@dyn-83-152-23-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: OT - Super-Cannes Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:23:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.147.88] at Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:20:01 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd be glad to sell CD's of Super-Cannes, if I had copies to sell. Like others on this forum I'm sure, finding a label to release my music has been a challenge for me. I'm glad if people are enjoying the tracks, but you're just gonna have to download them and burn your own. But I can send you the printed artwork for the jewel-case and CD if you like! :-) (say $2.00 to cover printing and postage). David ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Lebrun" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: RE: OT - Super-Cannes so it sounds like I am not the only one who likes your music David and would like to buy some ... ;-) Best Francois http://fr.lebrun.free.fr check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: msottilaro [SMTP:sine@zerocrossing.net] Date: jeudi 22 juillet 2004 19:34 Ą: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: OT - Super-Cannes Genera, schmanera, these tracks are great. Groovatious jazzy IDM progrockesque tracks. My only complaint is that the tracks seem to end too soon. I didn't see a link to buy a CD. Is there one for sale? Mark On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:08 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I finally got some Super-Cannes music, my recent band, webbed up. I'm > baffled what genre this falls into. I jokingly refer to it as hip-hop > prog-rock with IDM flavorings. Please let me know what genre-boxes > you > think I ought to be using. > > Anyway, there's lots of looping in these tracks: > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html? > tag=list > > I'm curious to know what you think. > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 19:26:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MNNV003417; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040722175520.05dadea8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:21:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros for Stereo Looping, First Impressions... In-Reply-To: <51DBDE1E-DC2F-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> <51DBDE1E-DC2F-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8ONE3C.A.G1.ixEABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:34 PM 7/22/2004, msottilaro wrote: >I wouldn't call them stereo though as that really denotes a dual channel >that is perfectly synced. Fun none the less though. Fair enough; I can see your viewpoint, if that's the criteria by which you're measuring. However, I think you might run into more contradictions with that definition than you think if you really look closely at the DSP functions inside some of the "stereo" effects we routinely use. Heck, you could even make the case on your home stereo, for instance, that having an extra wad of cable attached to your left speaker would add enough latency on one channel to strictly go afoul that definition. Still, I see the point. My original mission here was to preserve the stereo spread as best as possible from the synth into the looper, using the equipment at hand. The Echo Pro itself makes a complete hash of that one aspect, but does sound good otherwise. So how can we play to its strengths and minimize its weaknesses? This was the best way I could think of to do so. Now that I think of it, it probably would've been relevant to add a section on reproduction of the stereo imaging going in and coming out (hrm, prolly need to pick up an oscilloscope for that one). However, we know that the stereo image is going to change just because of the lack of sync. Regardless, if one is eyeballing it (erm, earballing?) through a pair of headphones, the stereo image of the loop before degradation is pretty darn close to the stereo image coming out of the original synth. >I've also had a lot of fun taking a stereo loop in the repeater and >turning it into a dual mono loop and using the "slip" function to move >them in and out of sync. Lots and lots of possibilities there. Oh yeah. Dunno how well I stated it in the intro, but by no means am I putting up this EP config as a replacement for the Repeater. I stated previously that this is my secondary looper, which runs async into the Repeater. Still, just because it's the secondary looper, that's no excuse for it to sound like crap (i.e. mono). --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 19:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MNuIY06683; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040722175520.05dadea8@gemini.lunarpages.com> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> <51DBDE1E-DC2F-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20040722175520.05dadea8@gemini.lunarpages.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C338313-DC3A-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros for Stereo Looping, First Impressions... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:55:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 22, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Mech wrote: > At 05:34 PM 7/22/2004, msottilaro wrote: > >> I wouldn't call them stereo though as that really denotes a dual >> channel that is perfectly synced. Fun none the less though. > > Fair enough; I can see your viewpoint, if that's the criteria by which > you're measuring. However, I think you might run into more > contradictions with that definition than you think if you really look > closely at the DSP functions inside some of the "stereo" effects we > routinely use. Heck, you could even make the case on your home > stereo, for instance, that having an extra wad of cable attached to > your left speaker would add enough latency on one channel to strictly > go afoul that definition. Right, adding some extra cable or placing speakers far from each other will screw with the stereo separation but in a totally predictable non changing way. One speaker will be a few milliseconds off, but that time shift would not change. In my world that's still synced. > > Still, I see the point. My original mission here was to preserve the > stereo spread as best as possible from the synth into the looper, > using the equipment at hand. The Echo Pro itself makes a complete > hash of that one aspect, but does sound good otherwise. So how can we > play to its strengths and minimize its weaknesses? This was the best > way I could think of to do so. Exactly, all that really matters is that you can have fun and make good music with your tools. If you find a "bug" that you can turn into a feature, all the better. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 20:00:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6MNvVA07002; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005101c4703f$f92468e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629112557.0c52c3e0@pine.f5.com> <51DBDE1E-DC2F-11D8-9953-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <005101c4703f$f92468e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros for Stereo Looping, First Impressions... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:57:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <7o6FjC.A.XqB.cRFABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a little confusing, but first record a stereo loop. Then deselect those stereo tracks by selecting other tracks. Then, just select a single side of your stereo pair. Now the two are no longer paired and you can just hit the "slip" button and twiddle the data write knob until your heart's content. Mark On Jul 22, 2004, at 4:02 PM, Doug Cox wrote: >> I've also had a lot of fun taking a stereo loop in the repeater and >> turning it into a dual mono loop and using the "slip" function to move >> them in and out of sync. Lots and lots of possibilities there. > > > Hey Mark, > > Could you walk us through the steps you use to do this? How do you > mono-ize > a set of stereo tracks on the Repeater, and then how do you usually > give it > slip commands? > > I figure the Repeater owners on the list might benefit from a rundown. > I > know I will! > > Thanks in advance. > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 20:22:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6N0Jkl11090; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:19:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:19:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c4704c$51e3b740$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <000001c46890$f2f2e340$6901a8c0@khartung> <001901c46b90$30a07020$0affff0a@hppav> <005801c46f80$05463240$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: OT - Super-Cannes Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:30:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool sounds, great tummies! ||: David :|| ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" > Anyway, there's lots of looping in these tracks: > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=list > > I'm curious to know what you think. > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 22 20:50:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6N0llk14722; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41005F1E.8020805@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:43:10 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #382 for July 15, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-fBnaB.A.8iD.KAGABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040715.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #381 July 15, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Trance 4 Motion" which is disc 3 of the 10 CD boxed set "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" on the Rainhorse label, part of Manikin Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Thief" by Tangerine Dream on Elekrea/Asylum Records. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Scrap Yard Thief (Virgin) Rogue Element Tropospheric Propogation Premonition (Acoustic Wave) ['ramp] freundliches feuer doombient.one (none) Brannan Lane The Forth Zone Distant Friends (ACM) 4M33S Signals The Ritual (AmbientLive) HyperEx Machina In Memorium Remembrance (AmbientLive) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Local Scanning Trance 4 Motion (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze Aphrodesire Trance 4 Motion (Rainhorse) Klaus Schulze Global Midication * Trance 4 Motion (Rainhorse) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, the Special Focus will temporariy be suspended in order to present an EMUSIC Concert with the Ministry of Inside Things in-studio. On the following EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze and his "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" ten CD boxed set. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "U.S.O." on the Rainhorse label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Flashpoint" by Tangerine Dream on EMI America records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 02:56:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6N6qtr32694; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040722235736.03ea6f20@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Record Long Press Malfunction In-Reply-To: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> References: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:41 AM 7/22/2004, ARTHUR LEE LAND wrote: >Anybody have any insight into why my long press of the record button (Loop >Reset) is acting up on my new Black Face EDP? >My midi controller won't make it reset and I have to press multiple times >on the EDP front panel record button to get it to work. >It's definitely in the EDP and not the controller (PMC10). I usually have >to press 3-5 times to get it to reset. If you press once and keep it >pressed it does nothing. It sounds to me like maybe you set the RecordMode parameter to SUS without realizing it? If so, change it back to TOG (toggle). kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 12:52:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NGmjU31183; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:48:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:48:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:48:15 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Flaky Vortex knobs To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <4101414F.8000806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just bought a Vortex from eBay, and it appears to have a serious problem with the Value knob used to change parameter values. It sometimes decrements when it should increment, ignores a click, overshoots, or rapidly bounces between two or three values as it turns. I can eventually dial in the desired value but it takes forever. Likewise the Parameter knob seems to sometimes miss a click so you end up editing the wrong parameter. The Preset/Register knob is fine. Does anyone have experience cleaning and/or replacing these knobs? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 13:14:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NHC5A03448; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Boss Unveils RC-20XL Phrase Recorder Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:11:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRv0BKm/8gKArQhT+6SmrPxQCDTfQBB8udQ Message-Id: <20040723165457.DB0E9189D7@mailrelay.t-mobile.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this was reported already: Boss Unveils RC-20XL Phrase Recorder at Summer NAMM Whether for use onstage or at home, the new RC-20XL allows musicians to create multi-layered performances in real time. Loops and riffs can be stacked repeatedly until the 16 minutes of ample recording space is full. The RC-20XL picks up where the RC-20 leaves off, as it offers more recording time and more features, but at the same price as before. The RC-20XL inherits the same "hands-free" pedal operation from the RC-20: Record, Play, and Overdub can be done with the left pedal; your hands are free to play your instruments. But now you get 16 minutes of recording time to capture and store loops or one-shot phrases (approximately three times that of the RC-20), and you can work your way backward thanks to the new Undo function, a necessity if you make a mistake during overdub. The RC-20XL has 11 memory tracks in which to store one-shot and/or looped phrases. During your performance, you can switch between the tracks with an optional FS-6 Dual Footswitch, or two FS-5U footswitches (momentary-type). The Undo function can be a useful and musical function for erasing your previous phrase and instantly layering a new one. After you've dazzled the crowd with your layered masterpiece, bring it to a proper end with one of the RC-20XL's three Stop options. When you hit the pedal, you can either immediately stop the playback, let the phrase play until the end, or fade it out. For more information, visit their web site at www.bossus.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 14:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NI23613479; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: 23 Jul 2004 18:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20040723180008.23653.qmail@webmail1.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss Unveils RC-20XL Phrase Recorder References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Dec 2003 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: Paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi: If I remember correctly, having one of the original units at one time, this device doesn't let you loop through the loops. Am I mistaken? I thought you couldn't advance thru and begin again. Regards, Paul On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:11:01 -0400, "Don Makoviney" wrote : > Sorry if this was reported already: > > Boss Unveils RC-20XL Phrase Recorder at Summer NAMM > > Whether for use onstage or at home, the new RC-20XL allows musicians to > create multi-layered performances in real time. Loops and riffs can be > stacked repeatedly until the 16 minutes of ample recording space is full. > > The RC-20XL picks up where the RC-20 leaves off, as it offers more recording > time and more features, but at the same price as before. The RC-20XL > inherits the same "hands-free" pedal operation from the RC-20: Record, Play, > and Overdub can be done with the left pedal; your hands are free to play > your instruments. But now you get 16 minutes of recording time to capture > and store loops or one-shot phrases (approximately three times that of the > RC-20), and you can work your way backward thanks to the new Undo function, > a necessity if you make a mistake during overdub. > > The RC-20XL has 11 memory tracks in which to store one-shot and/or looped > phrases. During your performance, you can switch between the tracks with an > optional FS-6 Dual Footswitch, or two FS-5U footswitches (momentary- type). > The Undo function can be a useful and musical function for erasing your > previous phrase and instantly layering a new one. > > After you've dazzled the crowd with your layered masterpiece, bring it to a > proper end with one of the RC-20XL's three Stop options. When you hit the > pedal, you can either immediately stop the playback, let the phrase play > until the end, or fade it out. > > For more information, visit their web site at www.bossus.com. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 15:08:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NJ30c27854; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:03:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470C6.415EBDA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:18 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470C6.415EBDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I haven’t seen this specific question, but I’m a latecomer to LD. If this is a totally played out issue, feel free to flame me. ;) I own an EDP, and I’m jealous of the Repeater’s multi-track looping. [So? Go buy one!] I can’t afford another looper yet. In mono mode, it looks like the Repeater’s four tracks act like four layers but with each one sent to a different out. This effectively allows muting/unmuting of parallel parts, which is total gravy. I’m curious whether any EDP owners have approximated “multi-track” stuff and how? This is distinct from layering obviously, as I’m indirectly addressing the oft asked “can I play loops in parallel with my EDP” question. Again, if this is way played out, konk me… but then point me in the right direction. If the EDP evolves, stereo processing and “multi-track” support would be really cool. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470C6.415EBDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I haven’t seen this specific question, but I’m a = latecomer to LD.  If this is a totally played = out issue, feel free to flame me.  ;) =

 

I own an EDP, and I’m jealous of the Repeater’s = multi-track looping.  [So? Go buy one!]  I can’t afford another = looper yet.  In mono mode, it looks like = the Repeater’s four tracks act like four layers but with each one sent = to a different out.  This effectively = allows muting/unmuting of parallel parts, which is total gravy.  I’m curious whether any = EDP owners have approximated “multi-track” stuff and how?  This is distinct from layering obviously, as I’m indirectly = addressing the oft asked “can I play loops in parallel with my EDP” = question.  Again, if this is way played = out, konk me… but then point me in the right = direction.

 

If the EDP evolves, stereo processing and = “multi-track” support would be really cool.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470C6.415EBDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 15:34:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NJU3031615; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:30:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: FW: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c470eb$3608d330$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470B0.89A9FB30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <_5VSd.A.krH.JcWABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470B0.89A9FB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Search the archives for a lot of in depth discussion. URL is at the footer of each list msg. =20 My 2c, owning both: The EDP is way more versatile, with many more options for loop manipulation, with superior real-time control, and is way more responsive to timing ( a crucial ingredient given what you can do =91post-record=92 with the EDP: but you=92re working with one loop = at a time, and committing to single mono track (or stereo with 2 EDP), so you need to take care in controlling your input levels for each overdub. The EDP is like live to two-track recording compared to 4 independent tracks with the Repeater.=20 =20 In general the EDP is a superior solo improvisers axe, where the Repeater is superior for remixing, and using for background tracks for one man band or ensemble use.=20 =20 I=92m just throwing this out, others may disagree or fill in more = nuance=85 =20 Neil =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:04 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: EDP vs. Repeater =20 I haven=92t seen this specific question, but I=92m a latecomer to LD. = If this is a totally played out issue, feel free to flame me. ;)=20 =20 I own an EDP, and I=92m jealous of the Repeater=92s multi-track looping. [So? Go buy one!] I can=92t afford another looper yet. In mono mode, = it looks like the Repeater=92s four tracks act like four layers but with = each one sent to a different out. This effectively allows muting/unmuting of parallel parts, which is total gravy. I=92m curious whether any EDP owners have approximated =93multi-track=94 stuff and how? This is = distinct from layering obviously, as I=92m indirectly addressing the oft asked = =93can I play loops in parallel with my EDP=94 question. Again, if this is way played out, konk me=85 but then point me in the right direction. =20 If the EDP evolves, stereo processing and =93multi-track=94 support = would be really cool. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470B0.89A9FB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Search the archives for a lot of in = depth discussion. URL is at the footer of each list = msg.

 

My 2c, owning both: The EDP is way = more versatile, with many more options for loop manipulation, with superior = real-time control, and is way more responsive to timing ( a crucial ingredient = given what you can do =91post-record=92 with the EDP:=A0 but you=92re working with one loop at a time, and committing to = single mono track (or stereo with 2 EDP), so you need to take care in = controlling your input levels for each overdub. The EDP is like live to two-track = recording compared to 4 independent tracks with the Repeater. =

 

In general the EDP is a superior = solo improvisers axe, where the Repeater is superior for remixing, and using = for background tracks for one man band or ensemble use. =

 

I=92m just throwing this out, = others may disagree or fill in more nuance=85

 

Neil

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net]
Sent: = Friday, July 23, = 2004 12:04 PM
To: Looper's Delight
Subject: EDP vs. = Repeater

 

I haven=92t seen this specific question, but I=92m a latecomer to LD.=A0 If this is a totally played out = issue, feel free to flame me.=A0 ;) =

 

I own an EDP, and I=92m jealous of the Repeater=92s multi-track looping.=A0 [So? Go buy one!]=A0 I can=92t afford another looper = yet.=A0 In mono mode, it looks like the = Repeater=92s four tracks act like four layers but with each one sent to a different out.=A0 This effectively allows muting/unmuting of parallel parts, which is total gravy.=A0 I=92m curious whether any EDP = owners have approximated =93multi-track=94 stuff and how?=A0 This is distinct from layering obviously, as I=92m indirectly = addressing the oft asked =93can I play loops in parallel with my EDP=94 = question.=A0 Again, if this is way played out, = konk me=85 but then point me in the right = direction.

=A0

=

If the EDP evolves, stereo processing and =93multi-track=94 support would be really = cool.


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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C470B0.89A9FB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 15:39:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NJbKp32730; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.124.99] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP vs. Repeater HISS Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:36:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2004 19:36:57.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A562600:01C470EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. After trying my friend's Boss RC box & using the new EH 16 reissue for a few weeks, I must say how disappointing the sound quality of the ‘wet only’ mix from my EDP (white gibson v3). Do the new black EDP’s w/ v4 sound better? Also, does the repeater hiss less, more or the same? Thanks LOU :( >From: "Lance Zechinato" >Reply-To: >To: "Looper's Delight" <> >Subject: EDP vs. Repeater >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:03:47 -0400 > >I haven’t seen this specific question, but I’m a latecomer to LD. If this >is a totally played out issue, feel free to flame me. ;) > >I own an EDP, and I’m jealous of the Repeater’s multi-track looping. [So? >Go buy one!] I can’t afford another looper yet. In mono mode, it looks >like the Repeater’s four tracks act like four layers but with each one sent >to a different out. This effectively allows muting/unmuting of parallel >parts, which is total gravy. I’m curious whether any EDP owners have >approximated “multi-track” stuff and how? This is distinct from layering >obviously, as I’m indirectly addressing the oft asked “can I play loops in >parallel with my EDP” question. Again, if this is way played out, konk me… >but then point me in the right direction. > >If the EDP evolves, stereo processing and “multi-track” support would be >really cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 15:53:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NJlow02053; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Arthur Lee Land" To: Subject: RE: EDP Record Long Press Malfunction Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c470ed$c90a44f0$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040722235736.03ea6f20@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, I'm almost 99% sure that it's on TOG. I checked that one at the gig. It's weird I have to press the REC button ON the EDP front panel numerous times to get the loop reset to work. This is a new occurrence over the last week and a 1/2. The only thing that has happened that might have affected the EDP is my PMC10 had some weird thing happen and it was sending bad data in some of it's MIDI strings and I had to send it in to be repaired. Anyway when that went down the EDP showed the MIDI error message so I had to reboot it. This would have been right around the time that my EDP began acting up. What do you think? -Arthur -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Record Long Press Malfunction At 02:41 AM 7/22/2004, ARTHUR LEE LAND wrote: >Anybody have any insight into why my long press of the record button (Loop >Reset) is acting up on my new Black Face EDP? >My midi controller won't make it reset and I have to press multiple times >on the EDP front panel record button to get it to work. >It's definitely in the EDP and not the controller (PMC10). I usually have >to press 3-5 times to get it to reset. If you press once and keep it >pressed it does nothing. It sounds to me like maybe you set the RecordMode parameter to SUS without realizing it? If so, change it back to TOG (toggle). kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 16:03:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NJtuL03723; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3317106.1090612523238.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:55:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flaky Vortex knobs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like the common rotary encoder failure for Lexicon budget boxes of that era. Replacement knobs used to be about $15 from Lexicon, or for $95 flat fee they'd fix the box itself. However, I think the MTBF for the replacement knob was the same as the old one. Search the archive for "rotary;encoder" and you'll see. TravisH Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:48:15 -0500 From: Jeff Larson To: Loopers Delight Subject: Flaky Vortex knobs I just bought a Vortex from eBay, and it appears to have a serious problem with the Value knob used to change parameter values. It sometimes decrements when it should increment, ignores a click, overshoots, or rapidly bounces between two or three values as it turns. I can eventually dial in the desired value but it takes forever. Likewise the Parameter knob seems to sometimes miss a click so you end up editing the wrong parameter. The Preset/Register knob is fine. Does anyone have experience cleaning and/or replacing these knobs? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 16:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NJx5305509; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:58:29 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6NJwZh04194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 23, 2004, at 9:03 PM, Lance Zechinato wrote: > I’m curious whether any EDP owners have approximated “multi-track” > stuff and how?  I'm "multi-tracking" my EDP by using it with a laptop running Ableton Live. Whenever I come up with something i like on the EDP I have the option to punch in a loop of it in Live. Then I continue to work the EDP loop into something different, in parallel with the Live loop (might also mangle it further i Live). But lately I have started using the software plug-in Augustus Loop and tend to use more live loops in Augustus together with the EDP instead of recording the EDP loops into Live. It's much faster and unpredictable in a way I like ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 16:29:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NKRmH10260; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:26:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c470f3$45811db0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <9AytHC.A.MeC.PSXABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per I've been betatesting Live 4, and am an avid user since 1.0. What are your settings for syncing EDP to Live? Is it running smoothly? I had tried that oh so powerful combo a while back but ran into glitches (no pun intended) where Live would reset to Bar 1 at each Loop Start on the EDP when running the EDP as master clock. It probably needs the right Song Pointer settings in the EDP. What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into Live as a clip? I looked at it but haven't had the heart to try it yet with the glut of options already at hand :-) Inquiring minds... Neil > > I'm "multi-tracking" my EDP by using it with a laptop running Ableton > Live. Whenever I come up with something i like on the EDP I have the > option to punch in a loop of it in Live. Then I continue to work the > EDP loop into something different, in parallel with the Live loop > (might also mangle it further i Live). But lately I have started using > the software plug-in Augustus Loop and tend to use more live loops in > Augustus together with the EDP instead of recording the EDP loops into > Live. It's much faster and unpredictable in a way I like ;-) > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 17:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NLR8A21026; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:27:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c470eb$3608d330$6401a8c0@neil> References: <000501c470eb$3608d330$6401a8c0@neil> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:25:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Keller Williams in GP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In this month's (Sep. '04, p. 32) GP there is a small, but informative profile of Keller Williams and his rig. The main thing that may be of interest to people in the group is the diagram of his gear set up, which includes an EDP and loads of other toys. Anyway, it's not earth-shattering, but I thought it might be of interest and therefore worthy of a heads up. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 17:44:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NLbsM22308; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000001c470f3$45811db0$6401a8c0@neil> References: <000001c470f3$45811db0$6401a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A74EC8A-DCF0-11D8-AD62-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:37:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Neil, I use Live as master and slave my EDP by midi clock.... if that's what you meant? Yes, it's running smoothly over here. I keep doing a lot of multiply-rec's on the EDP to cut loop the length aggressively and it stays in sync all the time. The challenge is to start the music all ambient, with no beat, and then try to find the rhythm and the downbeat. One trick is to overdub a drone pad in Augustus Loop and have it return through Lives Autofilter plug-in. Whenever you need to find the beat you just have to increase a little resonance and listen to the beat synced filter sweeps of the autofilter. In my recent FCB set-up I only use three loop lengths, plus a triad option, for Augustus. If my memory serves me right it's one bar, two bars and four bars. So it's easy to get over from non-groove wishy-washy to a defined beat, with Augustus. Then, when the beat is defined I either record the first EDP loop in sync, or if I have already started an EDP loop that might now be of an odd lengths I do the rec-rec trick or multyply-rec to line it up. > What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into > Live as a clip? No 1: "Overdub layering into a loop". And it also has this "inertia" when changing pitch, length or direction (reverse loop). It doesn't catch up right away, it slows down or speeds up, maybe misses the addressed speed a bit and goes back to lock up. I like to loop live with a bunch of organic loops that I change all the time. This can be done with Augustus but is not possible in Live. In live you have to fix a loop and leave it playing back over and over sounding almost the same (except for modulating plug-ins eventually slapped over the channel). Another thing Augustus gives, that Live doesn't, is some wonderfully unpredictable stuff you get when putting a loop into reverse mode and back, pitching it between -12, +-0 and +12. If you layer stuff when down at -12 and then go directly to +12 you will get some two octave high chatter-flutter. These manoeuvres seem to mess up fragments of audio still hoovering in RAM, and when going into reverse mode the loop length increases dramatically and all weird audio fragments appears right from nowhere in an unpredictable manners. Well, maybe it's really not so unpredictable, but at least I have not yet figured out exactly what is going on. But it sounds cool and I'm doing it all the time ;-) I tend to use LIve as a mixer and patchbay and very rarely record as a clip in Live. Might be if I need a tight bassline. Then I record into a live clip on a session view channel already prepared with a compressor for bass, and tune the clip down one octave. I use to play in a way that will make the bassline work also re-pitched, for use with other chords/harmonies. I hate when I have to look at the computer screen so I just record the bassline, turn to the laptop and put the clip into legato mode, tune it down one octave and copy it to a couple of scenes on the same track. Then I re-pitch some of the clips to give future options for building harmonies around them. By pressing foot pads to change scene in Live I can then recall those differently pitched basslines while improvising. It's a bit uncomfortable but if you load up with many basslines clips in Live you might not have to turn at the laptop again during that gig. All the best Per --- On Jul 23, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Per > > I've been betatesting Live 4, and am an avid user since 1.0. > > What are your settings for syncing EDP to Live? Is it running smoothly? > I had tried that oh so powerful combo a while back but ran into > glitches > (no pun intended) where Live would reset to Bar 1 at each Loop Start on > the EDP when running the EDP as master clock. It probably needs the > right Song Pointer settings in the EDP. > > What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into > Live as a clip? I looked at it but haven't had the heart to try it yet > with the glut of options already at hand :-) > > Inquiring minds... > > Neil > > > >> >> I'm "multi-tracking" my EDP by using it with a laptop running Ableton >> Live. Whenever I come up with something i like on the EDP I have the >> option to punch in a loop of it in Live. Then I continue to work the >> EDP loop into something different, in parallel with the Live loop >> (might also mangle it further i Live). But lately I have started using >> the software plug-in Augustus Loop and tend to use more live loops in >> Augustus together with the EDP instead of recording the EDP loops into >> Live. It's much faster and unpredictable in a way I like ;-) >> >> All the best >> >> Per Boysen >> --- >> http://www.boysen.se >> http://www.looproom.com >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 >> > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 17:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NLkHS23793; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:46:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <000501c470eb$3608d330$6401a8c0@neil> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-642759282 Message-Id: <913B9EE9-DCF1-11D8-AF44-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: Keller Williams in GP Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:45:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <_etg0D.A.iwF.9bYABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-642759282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nice tip on Keller -- I think he's a phenomenal performer and can't wait to take a look at his rig. My only question is what's GP? Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 23, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > In this month's (Sep. '04, p. 32) GP there is a small, but informative > profile of Keller Williams and his rig. The main thing that may be of > interest to people in the group is the diagram of his gear set up, > which includes an EDP and loads of other toys. > > Anyway, it's not earth-shattering, but I thought it might be of > interest and therefore worthy of a heads up. > > Jeff > > --Apple-Mail-2-642759282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Nice tip on Keller -- I think he's a phenomenal performer and can't wait to take a look at his rig. My only question is what's GP? Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 23, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: In this month's (Sep. '04, p. 32) GP there is a small, but informative profile of Keller Williams and his rig. The main thing that may be of interest to people in the group is the diagram of his gear set up, which includes an EDP and loads of other toys. Anyway, it's not earth-shattering, but I thought it might be of interest and therefore worthy of a heads up. Jeff --Apple-Mail-2-642759282-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 17:55:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NLs8L25170; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c470ff$5daf7dd0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7A74EC8A-DCF0-11D8-AD62-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to the original poster for hijacking the thread... Thanks Per for your trade secrets :-) Neil --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 17:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NLpMu24448; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <913B9EE9-DCF1-11D8-AF44-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> References: <000501c470eb$3608d330$6401a8c0@neil> <913B9EE9-DCF1-11D8-AF44-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:50:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Keller Williams in GP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nice tip on Keller -- I think he's a phenomenal performer and can't >wait to take a look at his rig. My only question is what's GP? hehe...sorry! Guitar Player (the magazine, that is!) :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 18:00:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NLw1Y26181; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c47100$06d668b0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: help in understanding EDP stuttermode... Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:57:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C47110.C9DC2600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <6z842D.A.OVG.GnYABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C47110.C9DC2600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone SIMPLY explain me stutter mode? Ive read the manual... tried = loads of stuff.. and just DONT get it!!! REALLY cant hear a difference! = I suspect that its MAY have something to do with ... not using a pedal = for feedback yet... (related Q.. can I use a midi pedal for feedback or MUST it be pugged in = at the back?? I have the FCB1010 and them 2 pedals (however that would = however mean programming it on EVERY pedal... growwwn!! )) I've mastered the EDP (first six month with the baby is available on = "Badgered" my new CDR release... see URL below.. Ha Ha shameless plug... = sorry!) and I've found out how I like to use it, but now delving into = bits of the manual that confuzzed moi first time round ha ha... cheers Mark www.markfrancombe.com ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 786 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C47110.C9DC2600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can someone SIMPLY explain me stutter = mode? Ive=20 read the manual... tried loads of stuff.. and just DONT get it!!! REALLY = cant=20 hear a difference! I suspect that its MAY have something to do with ... = not=20 using a pedal for feedback yet...
 
(related Q.. can I use a midi pedal for = feedback or=20 MUST it be pugged in at the back?? I have the FCB1010 and them 2 pedals = (however=20 that would however mean programming it on EVERY pedal... growwwn!!=20 ))
 
I've mastered the EDP (first six month = with the=20 baby is available on "Badgered" my new CDR release... see URL below.. Ha = Ha=20 shameless plug... sorry!) and I've found out how I like to use = it, but=20 now delving into bits of the manual that confuzzed moi first time round = ha=20 ha...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C47110.C9DC2600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 23 19:49:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6NNgcV11913; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:42:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:42:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net 0ś00Ć0J0Ō09000s0d0Ż00v0P0×0 Message-ID: 0MKz5u-1Bo9ax2Kce-0005lt@mrelay.perfora.net From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: help in understanding EDP stuttermode... Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:36:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <006501c47100$06d668b0$5a01a8c0@mark> Thread-Index: AcRxAGTmrMqWQrIFTh2zgNfvV7jScgADSuZA Resent-Message-ID: <8k5tt.A.t4C.UJaABB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, it works great on the FCB, you don't need a volume pedal for feedback. Just specify the channel and controller # on the FCB & EDP, and activate the pedal on each preset of the FCB- easy with the FCB software editor (available on the FCB Yahoo group). It is also easy to use note on commands to control almost everything on the EDP too. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com (related Q.. can I use a midi pedal for feedback or MUST it be pugged in at the back?? I have the FCB1010 and them 2 pedals (however that would however mean programming it on EVERY pedal... growwwn!! )) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 24 14:50:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6OIgPg06448; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:42:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:42:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0a2101c471ae$04481ea0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents AKUMU and Mara's Torment Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:42:48 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 27th - AKUMU and Mara's Torment mara's torment (aka metro starman) returns to the PiNG once again with a collection of works inspired by the usual cat noises and subway cars. Expect some new material, some reworked favorites & the kind of ambient/pop medleys that have made mt so beloved by so many. For this performance images will be provided by the very talented and very wonderful people of Bleep Visuals. http://www.marastorment.com http://www.metrostarman.com Dark ambiences. Shadowy beats. Haunting microscapes. >From electronic artist and film composer Deane Hughes, AKUMU is an exploration of atmospheres, moods and rhythms. On this night at the Ping, Deane is celebrating the release of his latest Akumu CD, entitled "Fluxes". This minimalist CD was written and created in Guatemala, Honduras & Mexico over a 6-month time span using binaural field recordings to construct drone-based and loop-based instruments. Deane will be performing and improvising on material from "Fluxes" with visuals projected from some of his abstract video-work. http://www.spiderrecords.com/akumu/ Between Sets CD - "Continental Divide" by Colin Rayment Since "still coiled" played straight-through without a break at their show, we'll try again to feature this fine new CD. Symphonic electronic compositions with an ambient streak from "drifting soundscapes to uptempo electronic excursions". http://www.rayments.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tues. Aug. 3rd - Reshure & Broomer Vs. Consumer http://www.besonic.com/reshure Between Sets CD - "Sanctuary of Dreams" by Numina www.numinamusic.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Fluxes" by Akumu is a fascinating exercise in field recordings resulting in a series of very distinct environments. The source material used to create this collection has been masterfully woven together to create pieces both rich in tone and deep in imagery. Starting with "Quietly Disruptive" we find ourselves surrounded by an almost tidal drone that moves through a state of tranquility to a chaotic soundscape of shimmering metallic sounds and back again. "Eyeless" features a slow build of serpentine tones that play around the soundfield. A sense of tension develops as the piece grows, a feeling of unshakeable unease that continues into "Landscape VIII", a track evoking a scene of haunted wastelands populated only by the rusty shells of slowly dying machines. "Tapeten" is filled with rising & falling tones, the ebb and flow of sound punctuated by clicks and whirring noises suggesting lost forms of binary language and mechanical communication. "Mnmlsms" blends a series of more nuanced tones together, resulting in a track defined by it's subtle movements and gradual shift, deceivingly simple yet rich in complexity. With the release of "Fluxes", Akumu has created a very engaging collection of tracks. The manipulation of field recordings to make these pieces and the attention to spatial detail therein are the work of true talents who have tapped into a different state of environmental consciousness. I strongly recommend "Fluxes" as an impressive work well worth investigating further. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 24 19:45:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ONgFN18358; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:42:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:42:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: New/Never-used EDP up for grabs Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C471B6.70D4FE50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:41:38 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C471B6.70D4FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All, I’ve been sitting on my new, never-used EDP waiting for my Godin guitar to arrive. I opened the box, but never unwrapped the EDP from its plastic, nor unwound the twist-tie from the power cord. (Why would waiting for a guitar prevent me from playing with the EDP? It wouldn’t. I have two other guitars. I’ve just used the interim as an excuse to crank out some software.) Long story short, after a lot of reading and some wonderfully helpful LD-list and off-list correspondence, I’ve reluctantly decided the Repeater better suits my needs. I really wanted the EDP to be my main squeeze! But multi-track looping is what I need. It’s pretty simple. Layers are great, but I need to “mute/unmute” layers at will, in any order. I lose the EDP’s depth, but I’m attracted to the Repeater’s relative simplicity anyway. And multi-track capability is a must-have for my duo/trio. Would you be interested in buying my EDP? Never unwrapped, never plugged in. Same with the EDP foot controller. If interested, I’d prefer a PayPal transaction. (You can search for lancezechinato “By Seller” on Ebay, then check my credentials. I’m a good guy.) If I don’t hear from anyone by Monday, I’ll call Musician’s Friend to have it shipped back. They can put it in the hands of somebody who truly needs it. Thanks, Lance ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C471B6.70D4FE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

I’ve been sitting on my new, never-used EDP waiting for my = Godin guitar to arrive.  I opened the = box, but never unwrapped the EDP from its plastic, nor unwound the twist-tie from the = power cord.  (Why would waiting = for a guitar prevent me from playing with the EDP?  It wouldn’t.  I have two other guitars.  = I’ve just used the interim as an excuse to crank out some = software.)

 

Long story short, after a lot of reading and some wonderfully = helpful LD-list and off-list correspondence, I’ve reluctantly decided the Repeater = better suits my needs.  I really wanted = the EDP to be my main squeeze!  = But multi-track looping is what I need.  = It’s pretty simple.  Layers are = great, but I need to “mute/unmute” layers at will, in any = order.  I lose the EDP’s depth, = but I’m attracted to the Repeater’s relative simplicity anyway.  And multi-track capability is a must-have for my = duo/trio.

 

Would you be interested in buying my EDP?  Never unwrapped, never plugged in.  Same with the EDP foot controller.  If interested, I’d prefer a PayPal = transaction.  (You can search for = lancezechinato “By Seller” on Ebay, then check my credentials.  I’m a good = guy.)

 

If I don’t hear from anyone by Monday, I’ll call = Musician’s Friend to have it shipped back.  = They can put it in the hands of somebody who truly needs = it.

 

Thanks,

Lance

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C471B6.70D4FE50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 01:35:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6P5RuZ12074; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr3-rev3 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:26:25 +0900 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Sunao Inami Subject: Looping Festival in Kobe? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I am planning Looping Festival in Kobe in this November or December. We did "Looper's Delight J" live gigs in '98,'01 and '02 in Kobe. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J I think "Looper's Delight J" is first looping festival in Japan. And we wan to to do the next is in this November or December. Someone interest this gig? We want to meet and unite loopers. The gig venue is Otoya,they are about 150 people capacity and good PA system. Location is Sannomiya where it is center of Kobe. http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya or http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~ya_kobe/otoya.html We want to fix gig dates by arrange the artists schedules. Please mail me if you have interest for join the gig. p.s. I released new solo CD,please visit below.. http://cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/index_E.html Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 13:25:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PHMHS29917; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <195.2c51fd4c.2e354625@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:21:41 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Festival in Kobe? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_195.2c51fd4c.2e354625_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_195.2c51fd4c.2e354625_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/04 1:27:08 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes: > I released new solo CD,please visit below.. > http://cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/index_E.html > a wonderful cd!.....michael --part1_195.2c51fd4c.2e354625_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/25/04 1:27:08 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes:


I released new solo C= D,please visit below..
http://cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/index_E.html

a wonderful cd!.....michael
 --part1_195.2c51fd4c.2e354625_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 13:34:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PHXIU01515; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:33:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeremy Goody Subject: Re: Looping Festival in Kobe? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would love to see this happen. I am in California, but am trying to get to Japan to play a handful of shows. I'm using an EDP pro plus, an MPC1000, a little casio keyboard, trumpet, bass and an eventide fx box. I am releasing a new CD in August and hope to have some copies in japan by October. http://www.balanceman.com thanks for your efforts, I hope this comes together.! JG On Jul 24, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Sunao Inami wrote: > Hello, > > I am planning Looping Festival in Kobe in this November or December. > We did "Looper's Delight J" live gigs in '98,'01 and '02 in Kobe. > http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J > > I think "Looper's Delight J" is first looping festival in Japan. > And we wan to to do the next is in this November or December. > > Someone interest this gig? > We want to meet and unite loopers. > > The gig venue is Otoya,they are about 150 people capacity and good PA > system. > Location is Sannomiya where it is center of Kobe. > http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya > or > http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~ya_kobe/otoya.html > > We want to fix gig dates by arrange the artists schedules. > > Please mail me if you have interest for join the gig. > > p.s. > I released new solo CD,please visit below.. > http://cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/index_E.html > > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > > > http://www.balanceman.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 16:41:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PKbdA27041; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6681BFE0-DE7A-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle): Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:37:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Acoustic guitar Live Looping in the Seattle area: Tuesday, July 27, 8PM Living:Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N) Friday, July 30, 9PM Stuff Cafe (4216 6th Ave. NW) Saturday, July 31, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Saturday. July 31, 7:30PM Starbucks (Issaquah) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 17:56:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PLslw16050; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:54:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:54:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040725215429.55729.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6681BFE0-DE7A-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <79E9kB.A.Q6D.awCBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whats up with this guys they set their items at a certain price and they jack it up when they know you a lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn“t sound like a "musicians friend"! if you guys have a link where the EDP is being sold at a fair price let me know,cause i won“t support them and neither should you! cheers L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 18:09:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PM7DT20268; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040725215429.55729.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040725215429.55729.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-816849350 Message-Id: From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:06:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-816849350 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Amen. They pulled the same thing with the lap steel guitar a couple=20 weeks ago -- their catalog stinks anyway. I've had some good=20 experiences with American Musical (though returns/exchanges take=20 forever), but have really enjoyed buying from Novamusik.com. Their=20 gear selection makes Musician's Friend look like the K-Mart of the=20 audio business. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 25, 2004, at 4:54 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > Whats up with this guys they set their items at a > certain price and they jack it up when they know you a > lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and > now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn=B4t sound > like a "musicians friend"! > if you guys have a link where the EDP is being sold at > a fair price let me know,cause i won=B4t support them > and neither should you! > cheers > L.a > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > www.luis-angulo.com > > > =09 > =09 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > --Apple-Mail-1-816849350 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Amen. They pulled the same thing with the lap steel guitar a couple weeks ago -- their catalog stinks anyway. I've had some good experiences with American Musical (though returns/exchanges take forever), but have really enjoyed buying from Novamusik.com. Their gear selection makes Musician's Friend look like the K-Mart of the audio business. =20 = Papyrus4646,6D6D,C6C6Get = Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob =20 = Papyrus4F4F,7B7B,E0E0......................................................=20 Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com = _________________________________________________ On Jul 25, 2004, at 4:54 PM, L. Angulo wrote: Whats up with this guys they set their items at a certain price and they jack it up when they know you a lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn=B4t sound like a "musicians friend"! if you guys have a link where the EDP is being sold at a fair price let me know,cause i won=B4t support them and neither should you! cheers L.a =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.luis-angulo.com =09 =09 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail=20 = --Apple-Mail-1-816849350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 18:38:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PMc0j31485; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:38:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:38:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: EDP + EFC7 saile (brand new/never unpacked) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:39:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C47276.ACBA3B90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:37:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <55BHq.A.MqH.4YDBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C47276.ACBA3B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LD community gets first dibs!!! If nobody on the list is interested, I’ll resort to Ebay. I’m miffed that Musician’s Friend has suddenly hiked the EDP and FC7 prices, so I’m not returning them for a refund. I will sell them for exactly what I bought them for … which includes the maximum “Gold Coverage” for each unit (fully transferable). With their new price hike, my offer is still less than what they want for just the EDP! Sheesh. I’ve never unpacked nor unwrapped these units. Never plugged them in. It just happens that I’ve been waiting for a guitar to arrive, and I’ve used the interim as a convenient excuse to write a bunch of software I wouldn’t write otherwise (cuz I’d be sheddin’ on the new axe and toys!). SO HERE’S THE DEAL: I bought these at a slight discount because of my ASCAP membership. Here are the totals from my invoice slips. Gibson Echoplex Footswitch KC - 94.99 Warranty Replacement 1-100.99 12-Month - 8.31 Gibson TGE-05 Echoplex Digital Pro Plus KC - 759.99 Warranty Repair 700-700.99 24-Month - 85.50 Total: 948.79 [Buyer pays shipping, and picks the carrier, delivery method and desired options. UPS has some kind of automatic insurance above a certain dollar amount, I think.] Sorry, no a la cart! :) I don’t want an orphaned EFC7, and the extended Gold Coverage is dirt-cheap. (Read Musician’s Friend’s Gold Coverage explanation on their site and you’ll agree. Like I said above, this coverage fully transferable, clearly stated on the sheets that came with each unit.) Thanks, Lance ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C47276.ACBA3B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LD community gets first = dibs!!!

 

If nobody on the list is interested, I’ll resort to = Ebay.  I’m miffed that = Musician’s Friend has suddenly hiked the EDP and FC7 prices, so I’m not returning them = for a refund.  I will sell them for exactly = what I bought them for … which includes the maximum “Gold = Coverage” for each unit (fully transferable).  With their = new price hike, my offer is still less than what they want for just the EDP!  = Sheesh.

 

I’ve never unpacked nor unwrapped these units.  Never plugged them in.  It just happens that I’ve been waiting for a guitar to = arrive, and I’ve used the interim as a convenient excuse to write a bunch of software I = wouldn’t write otherwise (cuz I’d be sheddin’ on the new axe and = toys!).

 

SO HERE’S THE DEAL:

I bought these at a slight discount because of my ASCAP = membership.  Here are the totals from my = invoice slips.

 

Gibson Echoplex Footswitch KC - = 94.99

Warranty Replacement 1-100.99 12-Month - = 8.31

Gibson TGE-05 Echoplex Digital Pro Plus KC - = 759.99

Warranty Repair 700-700.99 24-Month - = 85.50

Total: = 948.79

 

[Buyer pays shipping, and picks the carrier, delivery method and = desired options.  UPS has some = kind of automatic insurance above a certain dollar amount, I = think.]

 

Sorry, no a la cart!  = :)  I don’t want an orphaned = EFC7, and the extended Gold Coverage is dirt-cheap.  = (Read Musician’s Friend’s Gold Coverage explanation on their site = and you’ll agree.  Like I said above, this = coverage fully transferable, clearly stated on the sheets that came with each = unit.)

 

Thanks,

Lance

 

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C47276.ACBA3B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 19:13:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6PNBPD12729; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:11:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407252310.i6PNAnh12433@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:11:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRyk8tQlOx33QGuT/e+50HEqqWxLwACBtew Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6PNAnh12433 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I usually go with zzounds.com for basics the return policy is great I bought a GI-20 that had some minor problems they shipped me a new unit in 48 hrs (received in 48 hrs) with a prepaid return label for the problem unit. I only had to submit for a return on there web page and they got back to me in an hour with confirmation of a newly shipped unit. Novamusik.com has some intersting items :) Will say I really hate MF I prefer to avoid using them. ________________________________ From: Optimus Rob [mailto:rasimon@indiana.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Amen. They pulled the same thing with the lap steel guitar a couple weeks ago -- their catalog stinks anyway. I've had some good experiences with American Musical (though returns/exchanges take forever), but have really enjoyed buying from Novamusik.com. Their gear selection makes Musician's Friend look like the K-Mart of the audio business. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ On Jul 25, 2004, at 4:54 PM, L. Angulo wrote: Whats up with this guys they set their items at a certain price and they jack it up when they know you a lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn“t sound like a "musicians friend"! if you guys have a link where the EDP is being sold at a fair price let me know,cause i won“t support them and neither should you! cheers L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 21:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q18iL16757; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:08:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:08:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407252239.i6PMd0L31787@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407252239.i6PMd0L31787@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-827759619 Message-Id: <4E06C90B-DEA0-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #282 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:08:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <_vFOf.A.aEE.QmFBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-8-827759619 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Supply/demand/invisible hand, etc. TravisH On Jul 25, 2004, at 3:39 PM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "L. Angulo" > Date: July 25, 2004 2:54:29 PM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Musicians friend Price politics > > > Whats up with this guys they set their items at a > certain price and they jack it up when they know you a > lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and > now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn=B4t sound > like a "musicians friend"! > L.a > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > www.luis-angulo.com > --Apple-Mail-8-827759619 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Supply/demand/invisible hand, etc. TravisH On Jul 25, 2004, at 3:39 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: "L. Angulo" < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 25, 2004 2:54:29 PM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Musicians friend Price politics Whats up with this guys they set their items at a certain price and they jack it up when they know you a lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn=B4t sound like a "musicians friend"! L.a =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.luis-angulo.com = --Apple-Mail-8-827759619-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 21:25:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q1OT821542; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:24:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:24:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <4E06C90B-DEA0-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200407252239.i6PMd0L31787@hemlock.violacea.com> <4E06C90B-DEA0-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-828693064 Message-Id: <7A673798-DEA2-11D8-BBAF-000D932CA24A@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #282 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:24:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-828693064 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Supply/demand/invisible hand, etc. > > TravisH > More accurately: artificial price inflation generated from web traffic / unaware consumers trusting prices not to constantly jump / deceptive business practices that are not practiced by their more reputable competitors, etc. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-3-828693064 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Supply/demand/invisible hand, etc. TravisH More accurately: artificial price inflation generated from web traffic / unaware consumers trusting prices not to constantly jump / deceptive business practices that are not practiced by their more reputable competitors, etc. Papyrus4645,6D6C,C6C5 Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4E,7B7A,E0DF...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-3-828693064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 25 23:42:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q3b4100990; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.83,86,1089000000"; d="scan'208"; a="139315262:sNHT11947052" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:36:36 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <20040725223636978549.GyazMail.kellycoyle@charter.net> Subject: 16-second loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.2.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.2.2.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been on and off this list for years, as my looping interest waxes and wanes -- usually I lurk, but I have a question that doesn't seem to have been addressed in the archive; so here: I've had all of the "major" units (none now, though) -- EDP, Jamman, Boomerang -- so i have an idea how the tap to record, tap again to loop system works. But I've never used the sort of looper that you have to pre-define the length before you start. I'm kind of interested in those these days, either the EH reissue thing or the Maneco variations. So tell me, how do they work in practice? How do you know how fast to play, when the loop is going to kick in? (Do they send a click or something? Flashing lights?) Or do I misunderstand how they work altogether? After that, I'm interested in how that approach works for people. (I realize, at least with the EDP, that you can do it this way too.) Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 01:17:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q5ENk32181; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:14:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:14:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <20040725215429.55729.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:14:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 25, 2004, at 3:06 PM, Optimus Rob wrote: > Amen. They pulled the same thing with the lap steel guitar a couple > weeks ago -- their catalog stinks anyway. I've had some good > experiences with American Musical (though returns/exchanges take > forever), but have really enjoyed buying from Novamusik.com. Their > gear selection makes Musician's Friend look like the K-Mart of the > audio business. > Get Optimized, > Rob I have had good experiences with: American Musical -- Various items. When I had a manual get water damaged in transit, they rapidly sent me a new one. There's a theory that AMS = zzounds. Nova Musik -- Great guys. I got my Microwave XT from them and would happily do business with them again. Alto Music -- 2 EDPs and both transactions went smoothly. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 02:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q6Klc21451; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 02:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 02:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040725223636978549.GyazMail.kellycoyle@charter.net> References: <20040725223636978549.GyazMail.kellycoyle@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6726DD12-DECC-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: 16-second loopers Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:24:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is how the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec DD reissue works. Both flashing lights and a click... if you want it. I find myself just using the midi out to start a drum machine and use that for the tempo or I just watch the lights blink. Mark On Jul 25, 2004, at 8:36 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > How do you know how fast to > play, when the loop is going to kick in? (Do they send a click or > something? Flashing lights?) Or do I misunderstand how they work > altogether? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 05:09:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q97YK04845; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 05:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 05:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2E30A345-DEE3-11D8-8AD2-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: terry riley's organ, Hammond looping Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:07:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what organ did Riley use with his Time Lag Accumulator? was it a Hammond, Lowrey, Wurlitzer, or other? if it was a Hammond, does anyone know what model it was? i'm curious because i've finally started to loop my Hammond and i'm interested in precedents in Hammond looping. the only one I have on record is a Jimmy McGriff vs Groove Holmes concert which Jimmy does some textural looping on the Hammond (into a tape echo) on a slow blues ("Talk To Me" on Giants Of The Jazz Organ Live). funny ... i always assumed it was Groove that did that because he used an Echoplex quite often in the 70s, but close listening last month showed me it was actually Jimmy, who never used _any_ effects on his organ. if anyone else knows any loopists who use a Hammond, let me know. btw, i've been looping for 8 years and playing organ for 6 and i've NEVER looped the Hammond. don't know why i haven't, other than i usually play bass. Travis H said he was interested in hearing some Hammond looping, so i wired my organ into a crossover so i could play bass and loop my right hand stuff. then i had to plug in the Dan-O-Wah, and the Echo Pro, then i had to go buy a solid state leslie ... ... now i sound nothing like i did last week. for those interested, i will post recordings soon of this crazy stuff. the Hammond can sound remarkably digital if you do certain things with it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 05:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6Q9hZ114325; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 05:43:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 05:43:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:43:12 +0200 (MEST) From: "Stephen Parsick" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2E30A345-DEE3-11D8-8AD2-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: terry riley's organ, Hammond looping X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com according to Bob Moog in an article by Freff, Riley used a Farfisa when "In C" was presented along with "Switched-On Bach" at a press luncheon. According to Peter Forrest, Riley later used a Yamaha YC-45D. An outstanding organ, indeed, and most un-organish in many respects. I use a YC-30 (the single manual version) for looping and processing (like Eno did, too). Stephen. > what organ did Riley use with his Time Lag Accumulator? was it a > Hammond, Lowrey, Wurlitzer, or other? if it was a Hammond, does anyone > know what model it was? > > i'm curious because i've finally started to loop my Hammond and i'm > interested in precedents in Hammond looping. the only one I have on > record is a Jimmy McGriff vs Groove Holmes concert which Jimmy does > some textural looping on the Hammond (into a tape echo) on a slow blues > ("Talk To Me" on Giants Of The Jazz Organ Live). funny ... i always > assumed it was Groove that did that because he used an Echoplex quite > often in the 70s, but close listening last month showed me it was > actually Jimmy, who never used _any_ effects on his organ. > > if anyone else knows any loopists who use a Hammond, let me know. > > btw, i've been looping for 8 years and playing organ for 6 and i've > NEVER looped the Hammond. don't know why i haven't, other than i > usually play bass. Travis H said he was interested in hearing some > Hammond looping, so i wired my organ into a crossover so i could play > bass and loop my right hand stuff. > > then i had to plug in the Dan-O-Wah, and the Echo Pro, then i had to go > buy a solid state leslie ... > > ... now i sound nothing like i did last week. > > for those interested, i will post recordings soon of this crazy stuff. > the Hammond can sound remarkably digital if you do certain things with > it. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > -- "Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) "Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.nodular.de Coming soon: www.doombient.com 250 MB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat, 1000 MB Online-Festplatte Jetzt GMX TopMail kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 10:26:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QEPum14687; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:25:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040726142538.27380.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #282 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4E06C90B-DEA0-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-lWB2D.A.SkD.kRRBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check with Alto Music, they used to have good prices on EDPs. I bought a Repeater from them a few years ago and it was a good deal. Greg --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Supply/demand/invisible hand, etc. > > TravisH > > On Jul 25, 2004, at 3:39 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > From: "L. Angulo" > > Date: July 25, 2004 2:54:29 PM PDT > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Musicians friend Price politics > > > > > > Whats up with this guys they set their items at a > > certain price and they jack it up when they know you a > > lot of us want it! They had the EDP for 799.00 and > > now it has gone up 200.00dlls up! this doesn“t sound > > like a "musicians friend"! > > L.a > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 10:26:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QEO7e14366; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:24:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040726142320.26898.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Optimus Rob wrote: > Amen. They pulled the same thing with the lap steel guitar a couple > weeks ago -- their catalog stinks anyway. Not to be a defender of MF, but that lap steel regularly goes on and off special. The $99 price is their regular price for the thing. It'd been on special and the special was over. What's the big deal? Can't they offer a sale price on something and then take it off at some point? Someone here conjectured that it was somehow automated, based on demand, which sounds ridiculous to me. It's printed in their paper catalog too. > I've had some good > experiences with American Musical (though returns/exchanges take > forever), but have really enjoyed buying from Novamusik.com. The above said, I've bought quite a bit more stuff from American Musical Supply then Musician's Friend. AMS' price is usually better (although you should compare) and my experiences with them over the years have been very good. Full Compass is also a favorite. Good prices, excellent service. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 10:37:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QEZjS17525; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:35:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:35:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> References: <2E30A345-DEE3-11D8-8AD2-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: terry riley's organ, Hammond looping Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:34:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6QEYoh17275 Resent-Message-ID: <9-pedC.A.QOE.KaRBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and the yamaha allowed him to tune it to just intonation. i love his early live sax and organ tape loop pieces, a la "poppy nogood" and "persian surgery dervishes." cheers bruce On Jul 26, 2004, at 5:43 AM, Stephen Parsick wrote: > according to Bob Moog in an article by Freff, Riley used a Farfisa > when "In > C" was presented along with "Switched-On Bach" at a press luncheon. > According to Peter Forrest, Riley later used a Yamaha YC-45D. An > outstanding > organ, indeed, and most un-organish in many respects. I use a YC-30 > (the > single manual version) for looping and processing (like Eno did, too). > > Stephen. > > >> what organ did Riley use with his Time Lag Accumulator? was it a >> Hammond, Lowrey, Wurlitzer, or other? if it was a Hammond, does anyone >> know what model it was? >> >> i'm curious because i've finally started to loop my Hammond and i'm >> interested in precedents in Hammond looping. the only one I have on >> record is a Jimmy McGriff vs Groove Holmes concert which Jimmy does >> some textural looping on the Hammond (into a tape echo) on a slow >> blues >> ("Talk To Me" on Giants Of The Jazz Organ Live). funny ... i always >> assumed it was Groove that did that because he used an Echoplex quite >> often in the 70s, but close listening last month showed me it was >> actually Jimmy, who never used _any_ effects on his organ. >> >> if anyone else knows any loopists who use a Hammond, let me know. >> >> btw, i've been looping for 8 years and playing organ for 6 and i've >> NEVER looped the Hammond. don't know why i haven't, other than i >> usually play bass. Travis H said he was interested in hearing some >> Hammond looping, so i wired my organ into a crossover so i could play >> bass and loop my right hand stuff. >> >> then i had to plug in the Dan-O-Wah, and the Echo Pro, then i had to >> go >> buy a solid state leslie ... >> >> ... now i sound nothing like i did last week. >> >> for those interested, i will post recordings soon of this crazy stuff. >> the Hammond can sound remarkably digital if you do certain things with >> it. >> --- >> Eric Williamson >> www.suitandtieguy.com >> > > -- > "Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid > wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > "Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you“re a > plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) > > Visit the official [“ramp] website at www.nodular.de > > Coming soon: www.doombient.com > > 250 MB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat, 1000 MB Online-Festplatte > Jetzt GMX TopMail kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 10:44:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QEhF019032; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:43:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:44:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040726142320.26898.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:42:47 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd have to agree regarding the lap steel. The EDP is a different matter, I think. I think they've taken advantage of the shortage. Their many backorders informed them of the demand, and the scarcity of the product informed them of a "reasonable" asking price. I'm sure they poke around eBay on occasion to see which way the wind is blowing. (E.g., the Repeater's top dollar selling price.) I've been a long time Musician's Friend customer, and I've never ever had a complaint about them. I like them a lot. However... the sudden jump in EDP & EFC7 prices was a shock. Especially knowing that the EDP is in such short supply... with a big question mark hanging over it, no less. The price hike just looks too obvious to ignore. -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics --- Optimus Rob wrote: > Amen. They pulled the same thing with the lap steel guitar a couple > weeks ago -- their catalog stinks anyway. Not to be a defender of MF, but that lap steel regularly goes on and off special. The $99 price is their regular price for the thing. It'd been on special and the special was over. What's the big deal? Can't they offer a sale price on something and then take it off at some point? Someone here conjectured that it was somehow automated, based on demand, which sounds ridiculous to me. It's printed in their paper catalog too. > I've had some good > experiences with American Musical (though returns/exchanges take > forever), but have really enjoyed buying from Novamusik.com. The above said, I've bought quite a bit more stuff from American Musical Supply then Musician's Friend. AMS' price is usually better (although you should compare) and my experiences with them over the years have been very good. Full Compass is also a favorite. Good prices, excellent service. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 11:11:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QF8oo25835; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:08:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:08:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407261437.i6QEbeO17999@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407261437.i6QEbeO17999@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <992C2A64-DF15-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:08:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like cheap gear as much as anyone, but if the supply on an item stays low to non-existent for a long time while demand goes way up, then I'm not surprised that eventually price goes up. If you don't like the MF price, go buy it from somewhere else--if you can find someone who has them in stock. I've had a standing order at Alto (they always beat everyone's price that I've checked, but you have to call or email them) for months and months, they still haven't got one to sell me, but apparently MF does (in theory--we've seen a disparity between their catalog and warehouse many times before). It's just unusual that there be one product in a mass-distributed catalog that has this combination of supply/demand, but sometimes it happens. If Gibson would make more of them consistently available, we probably wouldn't see this problem, although I wouldn't rule out a price hike given their jaw-dropping guitar prices. TravisH On Jul 26, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > >> Supply/demand/invisible hand, etc. >> >> TravisH >> > > More accurately: > > artificial price inflation generated from web traffic / unaware > consumers trusting prices not to constantly jump / deceptive business > practices that are not practiced by their more reputable competitors, > etc. > > Get Optimized, > Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 11:21:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QFIbi28365; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040726142320.26898.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040726142320.26898.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-878700673 Message-Id: From: Optimus Rob Subject: Dishonest price modification Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:17:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-878700673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Apologies for the directness of this reply, but the record needs to be set straight. This was not a simple matter of a sale ending. Musician's Friend uses page-specific hit counts from their web traffic to adjust their prices -- something other reputable online retailers do not -- fact (read below). I think you'll be surprised to find this type of price control is finding its way into more and more sites. Hate to give good people bad news... > Not to be a defender of MF, but that lap steel regularly goes on and > off special. Possibly so, but I tracked the prices over a 2 day period and saw 3 fluctuations -- fact. > What's the big deal? The big deal is that multiple forum members witnessed the multiple, daily price fluctuations and that those fluctuations occurred after an extended discussion in this forum on lap steel guitars that promoted the low prices on MF's site. > Can't they offer a sale price on something > and then take it off at some point? Of course, and again this should not occur multiple times with a 2 day period. > Someone here conjectured that it was somehow > automated, based on demand, which sounds ridiculous to me. Well, I apologize for being the bearer of bad news, but I took the time to research the matter before posting a message on the forum and called MF to speak with a sales representative who confirmed that, "prices do change on the site" and who freely admitted that he didn't "know what caused the price increases and decreases -- just that they existed." Furthermore, he openly said he, "had encountered this before" and thought "the prices should go back down at some point." If you're still skeptical, feel free to call MF and verify. Again, apologies for seeming a bit direct, but this is important because it affects many members of this forum who need to be aware if a distributor is acting in a dishonest fashion. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-1-878700673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Apologies for the directness of this reply, but the record needs to be set straight. This was not a simple matter of a sale ending. Musician's Friend uses page-specific hit counts from their web traffic to adjust their prices -- something other reputable online retailers do not -- fact (read below). I think you'll be surprised to find this type of price control is finding its way into more and more sites. Hate to give good people bad news... Not to be a defender of MF, but that lap steel regularly goes on and off special. Possibly so, but I tracked the prices over a 2 day period and saw 3 fluctuations -- fact. What's the big deal? The big deal is that multiple forum members witnessed the multiple, daily price fluctuations and that those fluctuations occurred after an extended discussion in this forum on lap steel guitars that promoted the low prices on MF's site. Can't they offer a sale price on something and then take it off at some point? Of course, and again this should not occur multiple times with a 2 day period. Someone here conjectured that it was somehow automated, based on demand, which sounds ridiculous to me. Well, I apologize for being the bearer of bad news, but I took the time to research the matter before posting a message on the forum and called MF to speak with a sales representative who confirmed that, "prices do change on the site" and who freely admitted that he didn't "know what caused the price increases and decreases -- just that they existed." Furthermore, he openly said he, "had encountered this before" and thought "the prices should go back down at some point." If you're still skeptical, feel free to call MF and verify. Again, apologies for seeming a bit direct, but this is important because it affects many members of this forum who need to be aware if a distributor is acting in a dishonest fashion. Papyrus4645,6D6C,C6C5Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4E,7B7A,E0DF...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-1-878700673-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 12:36:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QGZH208900; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c4732d$820477f0$b6705643@elfmaster> From: "RemyC" To: References: <000001c46fd0$159fee60$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> <6.1.2.0.2.20040722235736.03ea6f20@loopers-delight.com> Subject: reasons for unsuscribing Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:27:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, I will have to look at posts online... I got hit by something two days ago which crippled my Outlook Express. So I have to totally restore my folders. Rem ~=~ -:- ~=~ -:- Remy Chevalier Environmental Library Fund 25 Newtown Turnpike Weston, CT 06883 203-227-2065 http://www.remyc.com http://www.bigigloo.com http://www.projectlu.com http://www.electrisun.com http://www.greenburbs.com http://www.endsecrecy.com http://www.hempprotein.com http://www.electrifyingtimes.com ~=~ -:- ~=~ -:- ~=~ -:- ~=~ -:- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 12:54:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QGrbS12636; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:53:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <26D54F53-DF22-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:37:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is this a BIZARRO universe? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 13:11:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QH19w15299; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040726111245.112f7140@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:55:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics In-Reply-To: References: <20040725215429.55729.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:14 AM 7/26/2004, Mark Hamburg wrote: >I have had good experiences with: > >American Musical -- Various items. When I had a manual get water damaged >in transit, they rapidly sent me a new one. There's a theory that AMS = >zzounds. > >Nova Musik -- Great guys. I got my Microwave XT from them and would >happily do business with them again. > >Alto Music -- 2 EDPs and both transactions went smoothly. I've bought more stuff mail order than I care to think about. To the list above, I'd add: Sweetwater -- Anytime I need any sort of Sales input (which ain't often), I turn to these guys. Local store interaction from a mail order vendor. Good service, good prices. Sam Ash -- Something about these guys always set off my "scam radar". Actually, that started after having visited one of their NYC stores, and getting bad vibes. However, I've ordered stuff for way cheap from their "blowouts" page (has a different selection than most of the other online vendors) and never had a problem. So, I guess I can't complain about success. Of course, Zzounds has been mentioned a couple times. And I've gotten some blowouts from Music123, but I've never used them regularly. One other thing to mention here: every mail order dealer from which I've ordered will do a price match, as long as you can show it to them cheaper elsewhere (yes, that includes Musician's Fiend). I regularly call up Sweetwater and ask them to match a competitor's price. The only repercussion I've ever found is that "free shipping" usually only applies to the advertised price. Big deal. For items where the price seemed to match across all sites, I've even gone to vendors and told them I'd place my order with them if they beat the advertised price (including shipping) by $10. It's more a gesture that they're willing to work with me than anything else. However, I've never had anyone tell me no. Just spend a few minutes on the web or Froogle, and you'll be able to find the rock bottom figure to take to them. The point is: negotiate. Nothing is ever set in stone. The worst that will happen is that they'll refuse, and either you pay the listed price (just as you would have otherwise) or you go to a different vendor and get the price you want. At best, you'll end up with a primary vendor who -- like Sweetwater, Nova, or Alto -- gives you valuable service and advice, as well as the cheapest available prices. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 14:10:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QI9Eg30512; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040726183740.0281a490@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:05:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:help in understanding EDP stuttermode... In-Reply-To: <200407242345.i6ONjS119020@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407242345.i6ONjS119020@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 00:45 25/07/04, you wrote: >Can someone SIMPLY explain me stutter mode? Andre LaFosse, check out his edp pages. http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/ as he left this list, you're stuck with my incomprehensible ramblings. When we discovered the EDP stutter effect during Beta testing, Andre was the guy who convinced Matthias Grob to make a mode for it. (...yeah, I tried of course) > Ive read the manual... tried loads of stuff.. and just DONT get it!!! > REALLY cant hear a difference! I suspect that its MAY have something to > do with ... not using a pedal for feedback yet... have to set InsertMode=Ins, (or use midi Insert button) If you don't know all about Insert, then first you need to get that sorted. Then, to get the idea, go to your EDP Its easy to get if you make a short loop, then Multiply it to a longer one, ...and make sure you overdub enough so that each short cycle is different ...having done that.... In StutterMode when you hit Insert you hear the next cycle (which is now a fraction of the whole loop) repeat over and over. so if the cycle length (which is the length of the original loop before Multiplying) is short enough you get that "classic" Stu-Stu-Stu" effect. ...NOW... you have 2 options a) press Insert again, and then the stutters are Inserted into the loop b) press Undo, and the loop continues as if the Stutter Insert hadn't occurred. It's also possible to do Insert followed by Record, (or use InsertMode=SUS) this can be used with a loop that hasn't been Multiplied to create repetitions within the cycle. (in this case, option b above is not useful, as you wouldn't hear any difference) Main thing is to set up the EDP right and try out what happens, then you'll soon get it > >(related Q.. can I use a midi pedal for feedback or MUST it be pugged in >at the back?? Yes, but plugging the pedal in the back gives you some stuff that MIDI won't >I have the FCB1010 and them 2 pedals (however that would however mean >programming it on EVERY pedal... growwwn!! )) worth it , and doesn't take too long once you get going > >Mark enjoy, andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 14:11:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QIAo830715; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <26D54F53-DF22-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <26D54F53-DF22-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-889083817 Message-Id: <1618DE98-DF2F-11D8-BDA7-000393B867EC@indiana.edu> From: Optimus Rob Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:10:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-889083817 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is > this a BIZARRO universe? > > Mark Apparently so. Get Optimized, Rob ...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-2-889083817 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is this a BIZARRO universe? Mark Apparently so. Papyrus4645,6D6C,C6C5Get Optimized,Lucida Grande Rob Papyrus4F4E,7B7A,E0DF...................................................... Just Released 7/15 - myTunes An Hour of 3 minute Ambient voyages Available at http://www.optimusrob.com _________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-2-889083817-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 17:00:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QKxRO07715; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <26D54F53-DF22-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <26D54F53-DF22-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <76CD75B6-DF46-11D8-B29A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:57:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is > this a BIZARRO universe? this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and demand, because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 17:04:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QL3P008498; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:03:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <992C2A64-DF15-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200407261437.i6QEbeO17999@hemlock.violacea.com> <992C2A64-DF15-11D8-AE4C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <29F2C254-DF47-11D8-B29A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:02:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 26, 2004, at 10:08 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > If Gibson would make more of them consistently available, we probably > wouldn't see this problem, although I wouldn't rule out a price hike > given their jaw-dropping guitar prices. OPEN LETTER TO HENRY JUSCIEWICZ: What the looping world needs right now is a $1400 dollar monophonic 41kHz looper. If anyone can make that a reality, I know you can. Maybe if you added a GMICS port you could get it up to $2000. your pal, Suit & Tie Guy --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 17:05:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QL4GW08561; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> References: <2E30A345-DEE3-11D8-8AD2-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DBFFE46-DF47-11D8-B29A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: terry riley's organ, Hammond looping Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:03:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 26, 2004, at 4:43 AM, Stephen Parsick wrote: > according to Bob Moog in an article by Freff, Riley used a Farfisa > when "In > .... > According to Peter Forrest, Riley later used a Yamaha YC-45D. An > outstanding > organ, indeed, and most un-organish in many respects. I use a YC-30 > (the > single manual version) for looping and processing (like Eno did, too). so there are no precedents for actual Hammond tonewheel organ looping? btw, the YC-45 is used by a married couple/indie rock band called Mates Of State to great effect. she sings and plays bass/keys on the Yamaha, and he plays drums. good show. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 17:20:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QLIql10776; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <76CD75B6-DF46-11D8-B29A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:18:34 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree. Msottilaro was just yanking the poster's chain when he responded (I laughed when I read it). He's right; nobody should be shocked by capitalism in a capitalist society! ;))) On the other hand you're right too. Folks on the Looper's Delight list are slightly more informed than the general pub regarding EDP availability and issues surrounding its scarcity. The $200 hike just smells to high heaven. But who am I to talk? I just willingly paid a big wad of moo for an EMU MP-7 from an online retailer. I knew full well that the higher-than-normal tag was because they knew they were sitting on the last several of these (in A-stock). So my "shock" regarding the EDP hike is a bit misplaced if not self-righteous. But still rubs me the wrong way. -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is > this a BIZARRO universe? this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and demand, because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 17:38:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QLUtL11812; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: implode7@comcast.net To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:30:05 +0000 Message-Id: <072620042130.3387.410577DD0005F14600000D3B2200734830C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: aW1wbG9kZTdAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3387_1090877405_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3387_1090877405_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't think that there is any doubt that supply and demand is an explanation of the price hike. On the other hand, if you think about it, responding to the 'law' of supply and demand with outrageously high prices isn't necessarily ethical. In this case, prices 'in general' weren't going up - one store raised their prices voluntarily because they thought people would pay it if they needed this piece of equipment. Somewhat analogous, I think, to someone in a disaster zone selling a container of water for $25. Supply and demand, yes, but not ethical. -------------- Original message -------------- > I agree. > > Msottilaro was just yanking the poster's chain when he responded (I laughed > when I read it). He's right; nobody should be shocked by capitalism in a > capitalist society! ;))) > > On the other hand you're right too. Folks on the Looper's Delight list are > slightly more informed than the general pub regarding EDP availability and > issues surrounding its scarcity. The $200 hike just smells to high heaven. > > But who am I to talk? I just willingly paid a big wad of moo for an EMU > MP-7 from an online retailer. I knew full well that the higher-than-normal > tag was because they knew they were sitting on the last several of these (in > A-stock). So my "shock" regarding the EDP hike is a bit misplaced if not > self-righteous. But still rubs me the wrong way. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: > > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is > > this a BIZARRO universe? > > this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and demand, > because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3387_1090877405_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't think that there is any doubt that supply and demand is an explanation of the price hike. On the other hand, if you think about it, responding to the 'law' of supply and demand with outrageously high prices isn't necessarily ethical. In this case, prices 'in general' weren't going up - one store raised their prices voluntarily because they thought people would pay it if they needed this piece of equipment. Somewhat analogous, I think, to someone in a disaster zone selling a container of water for $25. Supply and demand, yes, but not ethical.
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> I agree.
>
> Msottilaro was just yanking the poster's chain when he responded (I laughed
> when I read it). He's right; nobody should be shocked by capitalism in a
> capitalist society! ;)))
>
> On the other hand you're right too. Folks on the Looper's Delight list are
> slightly more informed than the general pub regarding EDP availability and
> issues surrounding its scarcity. The $200 hike just smells to high heaven.
>
> But who am I to talk? I just willingly paid a big wad of moo for an EMU
> MP-7 from an online retailer. I knew full well that the higher-than-normal
> tag was because they knew they were sitting on the last several of these (in
> A-stock). So my "shock" regarding the EDP hike is a bit misplaced if not
> self-righteous. But still rubs me the wrong way.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:58 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics
>
> On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote:
> > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is
> > this a BIZARRO universe?
>
> this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and demand,
> because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply.
>
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3387_1090877405_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 17:44:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QLZmS12757; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:35:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: EDP + EFC7 sold! Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C47337.1678AF60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:35:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C47337.1678AF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just a quick update: The EDP & EFC7 deal I offered went to a Looper’s Delight list member today. Happy EDPing! :) ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C47337.1678AF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a quick update:

 

The EDP & EFC7 deal I offered went to a Looper’s = Delight list member today.  Happy EDPing!  = :)

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C47337.1678AF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 18:13:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QMC1F19201; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <21666710.1090879906110.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP low price Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <10qTaC.A.irE.jGYBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since MF still offers a low-price guarantee, can't everyone just point them to the $799 price at Sweetwater and get the same deal? Plus, some sales drone confirming that "prices are subject to change" doesn't equate to "company adjusts prices according to page views in a rapid manner". TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 18:18:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6QMGEd19876; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407262215.i6QMFxh19755@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:10:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <072620042130.3387.410577DD0005F14600000D3B2200734830C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRzWOIMd7ZDbSI1RX+XgwOpSckqMAAA7jvg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well they have the right but, I guess we have the right to say screw you and hop on over to some other web resource (like ebay or this one or that one .com) and buy something else hopefully for less or an equivalent price. Lets face it something like the Artisan or the low end Morrell isn't really worth much more then $80 bucks hopefully that price includes shipping. ________________________________ From: implode7@comcast.net [mailto:implode7@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics I don't think that there is any doubt that supply and demand is an explanation of the price hike. On the other hand, if you think about it, responding to the 'law' of supply and demand with outrageously high prices isn't necessarily ethical. In this case, prices 'in general' weren't going up - one store raised their prices voluntarily because they thought people would pay it if they needed this piece of equipment. Somewhat analogous, I think, to someone in a disaster zone selling a container of water for $25. Supply and demand, yes, but not ethical. -------------- Original message -------------- > I agree. > > Msottilaro was just yanking the poster's chain when he responded (I laughed > when I read it). He's right; nobody should be shocked by capitalism in a > capitalist society! ;))) > > On the other hand you're right too. Folks on the Looper's Delight list are > slightly more informed than the general pub regarding EDP availability and > issues surrounding its scarcity. The $200 hike just smells to high heaven. > > But who am I to talk? I just willingly paid a big wad of moo for an EMU > MP-7 from an online retailer. I knew full well that the higher-than-normal > tag was because they knew they were sitting on the last several of these (in > A-stock). So my "shock" regarding the EDP hike is a bit misplaced if not > self-right! eous. But still rubs me the wrong way. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: > > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is > > this a BIZARRO universe? > > this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and demand, > because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 21:15:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6R13ES19291; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <76CD75B6-DF46-11D8-B29A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <26D54F53-DF22-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <76CD75B6-DF46-11D8-B29A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:02:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Again, only to poke fun... Why does this surprise anyone in a country where almost 50% of the people voted for George Bush? I totally agree with you all about Musician's Friend, and honestly I only use them when something isn't available anywhere else, or they're doing a blow out for less than anyone else has. Other than that they're useless. If I need something quick and I have to go to Guitar Center they usually give me a better price if I ask. More likely than not I'm more inclined to use zzounds or ebay. Mark On Jul 26, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: >> Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. Is >> this a BIZARRO universe? > > this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and > demand, because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 26 21:57:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6R1u2B26482; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:56:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> References: <2E30A345-DEE3-11D8-8AD2-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <9889.1090834992@www67.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D563643-DF15-11D8-B752-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: terry riley's organ, Hammond looping Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:05:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a cassette lying around somewhere of a somewhat delirious bit of looping I did in the mid-80s on a PAiA Organtua into a Digitech RDS 3600 with percussion coming from a Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220. Very low tech compared to using a Hammond. Terry Riley's In C was also the inspiration for me to "write" a piece by writing a series of melodic fragments that I then asked a bass playing friend of mine to work through while I was doing droning Frippish loops using a Roland GR-500 and the aforementioned RDS 3600 while the Korgs played a cycle of 2 against cycle of 3 against cycle of 5 against cycle of 7 thing that was shall we say "interesting" to program. The bass player did seem to feel that I made it difficult to find the rhythmic center. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 02:31:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6R6UNO06320; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040727063003.97467.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at sweetwater music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are very nice and answer my mails something MF doesn“t even take the time to do! Alto Music will have them in a month in stock for 739.00 if you dont mind waiting I wouldnt mind if they have had the EDP at that high price from the beginning but jacking up the price 200.00 because they know you want it and is a limited item at the moment is pure greed, i dont know of any other store that does this. dont support greed there is enough of it in the world! Cheers L.a --- msottilaro wrote: > Again, only to poke fun... > > Why does this surprise anyone in a country where > almost 50% of the > people voted for George Bush? > > I totally agree with you all about Musician's > Friend, and honestly I > only use them when something isn't available > anywhere else, or they're > doing a blow out for less than anyone else has. > Other than that > they're useless. If I need something quick and I > have to go to Guitar > Center they usually give me a better price if I ask. > More likely than > not I'm more inclined to use zzounds or ebay. > > Mark > > > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: > >> Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of > something? Weird. Is > >> this a BIZARRO universe? > > > > this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal > of supply and > > demand, because of the fishy circumstances of the > lack of supply. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 03:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6R7Ptk13545; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:25:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040727063003.97467.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040727063003.97467.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:30:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6R7Pdh13513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, a good friend and ex-bandmate/looper David Klausner works at Sweetwater. The man is a genius smarts wise and music wise and he's a demon with ________(insert instrument here) and a JamMan. Many a time we shared a MIDI clock and the spoils of our playing.... food credit at the ABC Cafe in Ithaca (try the guacamole omelet!) why he's not on this list is beyond me. Mark On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:30 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at sweetwater > music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are very nice > and answer my mails something MF doesn“t even take the > time to do! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 04:13:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6R848v19765; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20040727063003.97467.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:03:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3nUOCD.A.C0E.rxgBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Still on the subject of Sweetwater... I agree that they offer great service in many ways, but their prices aren't so hot. Maybe they don't give customers better prices on gear precisely because they do offer such good service (in other words, they have to pay their employees and repair techs good money to keep them around...)?? Who knows... People should also check out Full Compass in Wisconsin. Prices are better than Sweetwater and the service is a pretty close second. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 06:27:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RAPZ706620; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:25:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200407262138.i6QLcl813256@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407262138.i6QLcl813256@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:26:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: OT: open mike? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High; Please forgive the divergence. My singer/songwriter/guitarist partner and i are looking for an "open mike" or jam session type situation in London where we can make some connections for possible gigs in the London area. If anyone can suggest any places it would be appreciated. Also (a bit of gig spam) i'll be doing lots of "Loopadelica" on the 26th of August with my improvising trio Decision Dream at The Playroom 'Chez Stelios', 10 Paddington Street and Nottingham Place, London W1U 5QL at 9pm. If you're around, please stop in and say 'hello'. Just a warning: the music will tend towards the extreme. -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Drone masterpieces and Loopadelica at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 10:37:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6REaFL11231; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c473e7$c68a2b80$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <20040727063003.97467.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:41:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new Musician's Friend catalog has the Boomerang at $50.00 off! (i.e. $399) Hehehehe... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > BTW, a good friend and ex-bandmate/looper David Klausner works at > Sweetwater. The man is a genius smarts wise and music wise and he's a > demon with ________(insert instrument here) and a JamMan. Many a time > we shared a MIDI clock and the spoils of our playing.... food credit at > the ABC Cafe in Ithaca (try the guacamole omelet!) > > why he's not on this list is beyond me. > > Mark > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:30 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at sweetwater > > music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are very nice > > and answer my mails something MF doesn“t even take the > > time to do! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 14:01:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RI0UE12598; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:00:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:00:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040727175954.16865.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006f01c473e7$c68a2b80$885bd618@knology.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buy it now or else u might pay 5000.00dlls tomorrow;-) --- Paul wrote: > The new Musician's Friend catalog has the Boomerang > at $50.00 off! (i.e. > $399) > > Hehehehe... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > > > BTW, a good friend and ex-bandmate/looper David > Klausner works at > > Sweetwater. The man is a genius smarts wise and > music wise and he's a > > demon with ________(insert instrument here) and a > JamMan. Many a time > > we shared a MIDI clock and the spoils of our > playing.... food credit at > > the ABC Cafe in Ithaca (try the guacamole omelet!) > > > > why he's not on this list is beyond me. > > > > Mark > > > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:30 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > > > Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at > sweetwater > > > music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are > very nice > > > and answer my mails something MF doesn“t even > take the > > > time to do! > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 14:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RI9oR15024; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:09:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:09:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407271809.i6RI9Dh14661@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR0A8FN9muxeewPSoibBg+4AFsCPAAAGbXA In-Reply-To: <20040727175954.16865.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heres one we can all do lets all start testing the theory of MF raising prices based on number of views of an item. Here's the page to hit please view it at least 10 times per day over the next two days. Hopefully they are not subscribed to this list and get wise to what we are doing ;D http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040727110554024045188089566579/g=hom e/search/detail/base_pid/151600/ -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Buy it now or else u might pay 5000.00dlls tomorrow;-) --- Paul wrote: > The new Musician's Friend catalog has the Boomerang at $50.00 off! > (i.e. > $399) > > Hehehehe... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > > > BTW, a good friend and ex-bandmate/looper David > Klausner works at > > Sweetwater. The man is a genius smarts wise and > music wise and he's a > > demon with ________(insert instrument here) and a > JamMan. Many a time > > we shared a MIDI clock and the spoils of our > playing.... food credit at > > the ABC Cafe in Ithaca (try the guacamole omelet!) > > > > why he's not on this list is beyond me. > > > > Mark > > > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:30 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > > > Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at > sweetwater > > > music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are > very nice > > > and answer my mails something MF doesn4t even > take the > > > time to do! > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 14:12:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RICAl15648; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:12:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:12:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.83,91,1089000000"; d="scan'208"; a="139006329:sNHT13255360" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:11:35 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <20040727131135841387.GyazMail.kellycoyle@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <20040727175954.16865.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040727175954.16865.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.2.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.2.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6RIBhh15562 Resent-Message-ID: <-MZaCB.A.ZzD.frpBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can get a Boomerang from RKMusic (rkmusicstore.com) for less than $350 (make sure to put "save" in the "credit voucher" field) shipped priority. On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:59:54 -0700 (PDT), L. Angulo wrote: > Buy it now or else u might pay 5000.00dlls tomorrow;-) > > > > --- Paul wrote: >> The new Musician's Friend catalog has the Boomerang >> at $50.00 off! (i.e. >> $399) >> >> Hehehehe... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:30 AM >> Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics >> >> >>> BTW, a good friend and ex-bandmate/looper David >> Klausner works at >>> Sweetwater. The man is a genius smarts wise and >> music wise and he's a >>> demon with ________(insert instrument here) and a >> JamMan. Many a time >>> we shared a MIDI clock and the spoils of our >> playing.... food credit at >>> the ABC Cafe in Ithaca (try the guacamole omelet!) >>> >>> why he's not on this list is beyond me. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:30 PM, L. Angulo wrote: >>> >>>> Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at >> sweetwater >>>> music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are >> very nice >>>> and answer my mails something MF doesn“t even >> take the >>>> time to do! >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 15:46:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RJdC429016; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:39:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200407271809.i6RI9Dh14661@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:38:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2004 19:38:35.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EC20260:01C47411] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love a good experiment! They may be only counting unique visitors so lets everyone give it hit or two! current price $399. Jon > Heres one we can all do lets all start testing the theory of MF raising > prices based on number of views of an item. Here's the page to hit please > view it at least 10 times per day over the next two days. Hopefully they are > not subscribed to this list and get wise to what we are doing ;D > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040727110554024045188089566579/g=hom > e/search/detail/base_pid/151600/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 15:57:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RJtR730692; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407271954.i6RJshh30596@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:54:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR0Ek1m8Emo6IuaTE+2G+hk91capwAAP81Q In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly also on at least one visit add it to the shopping cart and then either let it expire or remove it I bet they track that too. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics I love a good experiment! They may be only counting unique visitors so lets everyone give it hit or two! current price $399. Jon > Heres one we can all do lets all start testing the theory of MF > raising prices based on number of views of an item. Here's the page to > hit please view it at least 10 times per day over the next two days. > Hopefully they are > not subscribed to this list and get wise to what we are doing ;D > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040727110554024045188089566579/g=hom > e/search/detail/base_pid/151600/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 16:00:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RJw4130989; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040727195726.46907.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8aM2CC.A.FjH.rOrBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did I miss something in this thread or was there proof given that the reson the price went up was because of web hits? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 16:30:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RKSdT03180; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407272028.i6RKSIh03045@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR0FFu1idLmSDSJSWWSf9LgHaZejwAA6fMg In-Reply-To: <20040727195726.46907.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope you didn't see anyone prove it yet but, we are (humorously) considering testing it out. -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics Did I miss something in this thread or was there proof given that the reson the price went up was because of web hits? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 16:48:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RKkBZ05574; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:45:39 -0400 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003601c4741a$ae3299e0$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200407271809.i6RI9Dh14661@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your link was so long that it wrapped so some people might not know how to get to the proper page. If anyone doesn't know, copy and paste the first line into your web browser and then do the same with the second line. Make sure the word "home" within the link looks right. I'm wondering if it might be better to try this experiment with less of a specialty item, like a popular guitar, for example. The 'Rang usually doesn't deviate much from 399. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics > Heres one we can all do lets all start testing the theory of MF raising > prices based on number of views of an item. Here's the page to hit please > view it at least 10 times per day over the next two days. Hopefully they are > not subscribed to this list and get wise to what we are doing ;D > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040727110554024045188089566579/g=hom > e/search/detail/base_pid/151600/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 16:57:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RKtBS06738; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4106C038.7070300@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:51:04 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics References: <200407271809.i6RI9Dh14661@hemlock.violacea.com> <003601c4741a$ae3299e0$6701a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <003601c4741a$ae3299e0$6701a8c0@server> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080201080102020803060104" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080201080102020803060104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the same link, in a shorter format: http://tinyurl.com/6k8dy Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com ** >Your link was so long that it wrapped so some people might not know how to >get to the proper page. > >If anyone doesn't know, copy and paste the first line into your web browser >and then do the same with the second line. Make sure the word "home" within >the link looks right. > > --------------080201080102020803060104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Here's the same link, in a shorter format:

http://tinyurl.com/6k8dy

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

Your link was so long that it wrapped so some people might not know how to
get to the proper page.

If anyone doesn't know, copy and paste the first line into your web browser
and then do the same with the second line. Make sure the word "home" within
the link looks right.

--------------080201080102020803060104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 17:25:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RLNZX12242; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040727212317.4086.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407262215.i6QMFxh19755@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't really see ethical issues with utilizing supply and demand on discretionary items. Pricing a gallon of water at $25 in a disaster zone is simple usury, taking unfair advantage of people in dire need. However, raising the price up of an esoteric piece of musical equipment could hardly be considered unethical in my book. They've seen the demand, many people on this list were calling regularly about their backordered units. It wouldn't surprise me to find that they cut some deal with Gibson to buy the entire stock, hence removing the competition, before raising the price so dramatically. Otherwise, why would anyone buy one from them? All it means is that if you want it, you'll cough up or do without, because it's in short supply. It's the same deal with a Repeater. I don't think they're worth $1000, but they sold regularly for that much on Ebay for awhile. It's not worth that much to me... Greg --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Well they have the right but, I guess we have the right to say screw you and > hop on over to some other web resource (like ebay or this one or that one > .com) and buy something else hopefully for less or an equivalent price. Lets > face it something like the Artisan or the low end Morrell isn't really worth > much more then $80 bucks hopefully that price includes shipping. > > ________________________________ > > From: implode7@comcast.net [mailto:implode7@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics > > > I don't think that there is any doubt that supply and demand is an > explanation of the price hike. On the other hand, if you think about it, > responding to the 'law' of supply and demand with outrageously high prices > isn't necessarily ethical. In this case, prices 'in general' weren't going > up - one store raised their prices voluntarily because they thought people > would pay it if they needed this piece of equipment. Somewhat analogous, I > think, to someone in a disaster zone selling a container of water for $25. > Supply and demand, yes, but not ethical. > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > I agree. > > > > Msottilaro was just yanking the poster's chain when he responded > (I laughed > > when I read it). He's right; nobody should be shocked by > capitalism in a > > capitalist society! ;))) > > > > On the other hand you're right too. Folks on the Looper's Delight > list are > > slightly more informed than the general pub regarding EDP > availability and > > issues surrounding its scarcity. The $200 hike just smells to high > heaven. > > > > But who am I to talk? I just willingly paid a big wad of moo for > an EMU > > MP-7 from an online retailer. I knew full well that the > higher-than-normal > > tag was because they knew they were sitting on the last several of > these (in > > A-stock). So my "shock" regarding the EDP hike is a bit misplaced > if not > > self-right! eous. But still rubs me the wrong way. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:58 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:37 AM, msottilaro wrote: > > > Wow, supply and demand effecting the price of something? Weird. > Is > > > this a BIZARRO universe? > > > > this is not an issue of the pure capitalist ideal of supply and > demand, > > because of the fishy circumstances of the lack of supply. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 17:48:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RLjEX14914; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:41:51 -0400 From: Mountain Man Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4106CC1F.5DEDAD65@cloud9.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200407272030.i6RKUr303614@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <980fr.A.XoD.TzsBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope! The MF "same price" deal is something they can decide to stick with ... or not. I recently found a $799 price on a Nord G2 Engine advertised at 8th street music. The web sitte didn't say whether or not they were in stock. I called 8th street - yep, the price was right, no they weren't in stock, coming in in a week or 10 days. Hmmm. I placed an order, and then gave MF (which I think is short for "Mother's Friend" ) a look. Advertised at $999. I gave them a call. Would they match the price? Well ... they'd have to check to see if 8th street had them in stock. I kept my mouth shut except to guide the clerk through the webpages to the 8th street offer. Well, we'll have to check to see if they have it in stock. Can you hang on please? Five minutes later he's back on the line, telling me that they can't match that price, that it's below cost, and that if the price is for-real, that I should grab it. No mention of whether it was in stock at 8th street, just, "sorry, we can't match that price". Four days later I took delivery from 8th street!!!! Elby > > > Since MF still offers a low-price guarantee, can't everyone just point > them to the $799 price at Sweetwater and get the same deal? > > Plus, some sales drone confirming that "prices are subject to change" > doesn't equate to "company adjusts prices according to page views in a > rapid manner". > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 17:52:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6RLiaT14835; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040727214424.39420.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200407271809.i6RI9Dh14661@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4nPuVB.A.fnD.6ysBBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Still $399 for me. I theorized that perhaps that SID had something to do with it, that's why I left if off mine (so you have to use their search engine to find the item). gh --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Heres one we can all do lets all start testing the theory of MF raising > prices based on number of views of an item. Here's the page to hit please > view it at least 10 times per day over the next two days. Hopefully they are > not subscribed to this list and get wise to what we are doing ;D > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040727110554024045188089566579/g=hom > e/search/detail/base_pid/151600/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > Buy it now or else u might pay 5000.00dlls tomorrow;-) > > > > --- Paul wrote: > > The new Musician's Friend catalog has the Boomerang at $50.00 off! > > (i.e. > > $399) > > > > Hehehehe... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Musicians friend Price politics > > > > > > > BTW, a good friend and ex-bandmate/looper David > > Klausner works at > > > Sweetwater. The man is a genius smarts wise and > > music wise and he's a > > > demon with ________(insert instrument here) and a > > JamMan. Many a time > > > we shared a MIDI clock and the spoils of our > > playing.... food credit at > > > the ABC Cafe in Ithaca (try the guacamole omelet!) > > > > > > why he's not on this list is beyond me. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:30 PM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > > > > > Absolutely Mark and i jus got an EDP at > > sweetwater > > > > music for the normal 799.00 and the guys are > > very nice > > > > and answer my mails something MF doesn4t even > > take the > > > > time to do! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 20:24:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6S0N0R04823; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:23:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:22:39 -0600 Message-ID: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C47406.B39E2C50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C47406.B39E2C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone done any promotion with the magazine, "Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music"? I just purchased a copy, a year subscription, and a 2.25" square ad for the fall issue. It looks like an interesting mag, and it should be a learning experience because I recognize very few of the artists mentioned in the publication. http://signaltonoisemagazine.org/ Too bad there isn't a hardcopy looper's magazine. Kris ************************************************************************ **** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C47406.B39E2C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Has anyone done any promotion = with the=20 magazine, "Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental=20 Music"?

I just purchased a copy, a year subscription, and a 2.25" = square=20 ad for the fall issue. 

It looks like an interesting mag, = and it=20 should be a learning experience because I recognize very few of the = artists=20 mentioned in the publication.

http://signaltonoisemagazine.org/

Too bad there isn't a hardcopy looper's=20 magazine.

Kris

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Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com = http://artist.amazon.com= /krispenhartung =20 info@krispenhartung.com
 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C47406.B39E2C50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 20:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6S0Uie05725; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:30:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:30:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6S0UTh05677 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd right an advice column. Mark On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Too bad there isn't a hardcopy looper's magazine. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 20:56:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6S0s4I08685; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> <499980A0-E02D-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FBCD431-E030-11D8-874B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:53:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6S0rth08651 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HAahahahaha write. Woops. Where's my damn editor? On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:30 PM, msottilaro wrote: > I'd right an advice column. > > Mark > > On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> >> >> Too bad there isn't a hardcopy looper's magazine. >> >> Kris >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 27 21:52:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6S1n2q17441; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:49:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:49:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040728014840.74533.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040727212317.4086.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg House wrote: It wouldn't surprise me to > find that they cut some deal > with Gibson to buy the entire stock, hence removing > the competition, before > raising the price so dramatically. Although I doubt this but has anybody considered that maybe Gibson raised the price of the units causing MF to raise their prices in the catalog? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 03:45:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6S7ih004381; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:44:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:44:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kevin Goldsmith \(mailing lists\)" To: Subject: RE: Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003201c47438$fe389c50$6601a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it is a pretty cool magazine and decent to do business with. Kevin -------------------------- Unit Circle Rekkids http://www.unitcircle.com/ ========================== -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 5:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music Has anyone done any promotion with the magazine, "Signal to Noise: The Journal of Improvised and Experimental Music"? I just purchased a copy, a year subscription, and a 2.25" square ad for the fall issue. It looks like an interesting mag, and it should be a learning experience because I recognize very few of the artists mentioned in the publication. http://signaltonoisemagazine.org/ Too bad there isn't a hardcopy looper's magazine. Kris **************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 03:56:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6S7rQo05158; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:53:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040728014840.74533.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:53:12 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe the universe lowered its prices while the EDP stayed the same. ;) It's all relative according to Einstein; we'd never perceive it. (I bet Gibson winked... writing-on-the-wall type thing, so your theory sounds good.) Musician's Friend's knows which way the wind is blowing re/EDP if anyone. And nobody's talking about EDPs beyond the as-yet shipped units. I imagine EDP sales don't bring in truckloads of cash for Gibson. I say sell the EDP division to a non-karaoke company! ;) Seems somebody would dig to slapping their name in front of "Echoplex". Or change it to the "DigiTech Geckoplex" or something. It'll be interesting to see what happens next commercially. The next cat's meow... is it Matthias and the rumored Chameleon "Echoplex" skin? G4s and Ableton? Kyma X plus Capybara plus LCK (plus arms and legs and firstborns)? -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics --- Greg House wrote: It wouldn't surprise me to > find that they cut some deal > with Gibson to buy the entire stock, hence removing > the competition, before > raising the price so dramatically. Although I doubt this but has anybody considered that maybe Gibson raised the price of the units causing MF to raise their prices in the catalog? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 07:13:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SBAqF03031; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:10:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040728120615.0280acb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:07:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Andre on StutterMode In-Reply-To: <200407272030.i6RKUr103610@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407272030.i6RKUr103610@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from my personal archives:- From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: granular looping as a sustain pedal? Message-ID: <3D0D1B9E.DECC69FD@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, Peter Einhorn wrote: > Can granular looping be used to imitate a sustain pedal (as the functions > name implies] or, even better, a sostenuto pedal? In the case of the EDP, "sus" generally refers to momentary pedal action rather than to sustaining an audio event... but these are a few different approaches you could try... I have done a few things with SubCycle Multiply in Stutter mode along these lines, to stretch the length of a note waaaaaaaay out. It's not a very transparent effect, but I like it alot. There's also a SingleCycle Multiply in Stutter mode, which allows indefinite repetitions of a given cycle within a multi-cycle loop... ...or you could set Switchquant=CNF, and use SUS-Insert or Unrounded Multiply to copy just a small fragment into the next loop, and have that one short thing repeat over and over... Hmmm. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 07:30:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SBSK904871; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1091014005!17776934 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFBE@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:21:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C47495.01E43A60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47495.01E43A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>percussion coming from a Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220. Very low tech......<< like a breath of fresh air, in amongst all the "musician's friend" correspondence. (thing I hate most about them is the infuriating pop-ups whenever you go anywhere near any site offering instruments for sale- "you're not my friend", I find myself saying. they probably wouldn't ship to the UK anyway- why isn't it possible to target web advertising by region properly?) anyway. I had the same pair of drumboxes back in the late 80s. my 110 had separate outs that I added meself, with no care or attention to filtering out the sampling frequency. so there was this horribly chirruping whistle on all my drum parts from that era.... I loved the sound of them, & the way you could drop them in & out of record/overdub.... sometimes.... I managed to find a 220 recently, but it's just not the same without the 110 aswell. damn. e-bay here I come. again. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47495.01E43A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ)

>>percussion coming from a Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220= . Very low tech......<<

like a breath of fresh air, in amongst all the "musi= cian's friend" correspondence. (thing I hate most about them is the in= furiating pop-ups whenever you go anywhere near any site offering instrumen= ts for sale- "you're not my friend", I find myself saying. they p= robably wouldn't ship to the UK anyway- why isn't it possible to target web= advertising by region properly?)

anyway.

I had the same pair of drumboxes back in the late 80s. my= 110 had separate outs that I added meself, with no care or attention to fi= ltering out the sampling frequency. so there was this horribly chirruping w= histle on all my drum parts from that era.... I loved the sound of them, &a= mp; the way you could drop them in & out of record/overdub.... sometime= s....

I managed to find a 220 recently, but it's just not the s= ame without the 110 aswell.
damn.
e-bay here I come. again.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C47495.01E43A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 09:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SDlP925381; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Buying an Echoplex and Firstborns Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:46:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR0eHdSnS5WvgQ4TXyFKNF+6rsftgAL0XWw Message-Id: <20040728134649.RXTT13863.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'd weigh in-- I sold one of my two EDPs less than three months ago and so will be replacing it thru Alto Music when they get theirs. There are several solidly established American artists using the EDP so I will be really surprised if Gibson drops them from their production line--but the chances are greater of it continuing to be available if half the people who want to experiment with MF's price policies just cut to the chase and get one from a retailer who has a price they can afford. Let's face it, the thing is close to a grand no matter where you buy it. I didn't ask at Alto, I just got in line for when they arrive, but I'm sure that with tax and shipping it will be close to $800. Where I live that's close to a grand. So no one will make them if nobody buys them--shop around and put your money where your mouth is. Firstborns are important too--best of luck to Lance! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Maybe the universe lowered its prices while the EDP stayed the same. ;) It's all relative according to Einstein; we'd never perceive it. (I bet Gibson winked... writing-on-the-wall type thing, so your theory sounds good.) Musician's Friend's knows which way the wind is blowing re/EDP if anyone. And nobody's talking about EDPs beyond the as-yet shipped units. I imagine EDP sales don't bring in truckloads of cash for Gibson. I say sell the EDP division to a non-karaoke company! ;) Seems somebody would dig to slapping their name in front of "Echoplex". Or change it to the "DigiTech Geckoplex" or something. It'll be interesting to see what happens next commercially. The next cat's meow... is it Matthias and the rumored Chameleon "Echoplex" skin? G4s and Ableton? Kyma X plus Capybara plus LCK (plus arms and legs and firstborns)? -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics --- Greg House wrote: It wouldn't surprise me to > find that they cut some deal > with Gibson to buy the entire stock, hence removing the competition, > before raising the price so dramatically. Although I doubt this but has anybody considered that maybe Gibson raised the price of the units causing MF to raise their prices in the catalog? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 10:19:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SEHhI30792; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:17:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407281353.i6SDrZk26039@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200407281353.i6SDrZk26039@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:16:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if that was below MF's cost? At $1399 list, that may be the case. It's not reasonable to expect someone to match below cost pricing. TravisH On Jul 28, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Mountain Man > Date: July 27, 2004 2:41:51 PM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics > > > Nope! The MF "same price" deal is something they can decide to stick > with ... or not. I recently found a $799 price on a Nord G2 Engine > advertised at 8th street music. The web sitte didn't say whether or > not > they were in stock. I called 8th street - yep, the price was right, no > they weren't in stock, coming in in a week or 10 days. Hmmm. I placed > an order, and then gave MF (which I think is short for "Mother's > Friend" > ) a look. Advertised at $999. I gave them a call. Would they > match the price? Well ... they'd have to check to see if 8th street > had > them in stock. I kept my mouth shut except to guide the clerk through > the webpages to the 8th street offer. Well, we'll have to check to see > if they have it in stock. Can you hang on please? Five minutes later > he's back on the line, telling me that they can't match that price, > that > it's below cost, and that if the price is for-real, that I should grab > it. No mention of whether it was in stock at 8th street, just, "sorry, > we can't match that price". Four days later I took delivery from 8th > street!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 10:20:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SEHN230721; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1091023441!17657597 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFC6@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: simple pleasures Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:58:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C474AA.F9675E60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C474AA.F9675E60 Content-Type: text/plain with all this talk of MF & the poor-to-none availability of EDP's, I am prompted to write that just the other night, I lost around three hours of my life to a combination of an early 80s white tokai strat, an EH black-finger compressor & a line6 DL4 with expression pedal. I forgot about everything else completely. stopped for just long enough to skin up, but ended up saving the blunt until afterwards. I wonder if I'll feel the same about the RI- EH 16s that's heading this way.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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with all this talk of MF & the poor-to-none availabil= ity of EDP's, I am prompted to write that just the other night, I lost arou= nd three hours of my life to a combination of an early 80s white tokai stra= t, an EH black-finger compressor & a line6 DL4 with expression pedal. I= forgot about everything else completely. stopped for just long enough to s= kin up, but ended up saving the blunt until afterwards.

I wonder if I'll feel the same about the RI- EH 16s that'= s heading this way....

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C474AA.F9675E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 10:44:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SEgVE01509; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Buying an Echoplex and Firstborns Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040728134649.RXTT13863.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:41:47 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (The arms and firstborns comment was about Kyma+Capybara+LCK, cuz it's way out of my price range. But it's also #1 on my wish list!) Two days ago I shipped my new/never-unpacked EDP+EFC7 to an LD lister (congrats!) for exactly what I paid for it, which included my ASCAP discount. I bought it from Musician's Friend -- still my favorite online music retailer, I might add. But you're right: even at EDP=$759, plus EFC7=$94, plus max Gold Coverage on both, it was close to a grand. I just bought a mint Repeater on eBay couple days ago, so you know I'm chewing on my greens. ;) I paid what it was worth to me. To ME. And that's really the name of the game, right? If the EDP got super scarce and went for $2k, people would buy it. Because that's what it would be worth to THEM. Interestingly, there isn't a single EDP on eBay. And it's a real rarity to see a blackface. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Buying an Echoplex and Firstborns Thought I'd weigh in-- I sold one of my two EDPs less than three months ago and so will be replacing it thru Alto Music when they get theirs. There are several solidly established American artists using the EDP so I will be really surprised if Gibson drops them from their production line--but the chances are greater of it continuing to be available if half the people who want to experiment with MF's price policies just cut to the chase and get one from a retailer who has a price they can afford. Let's face it, the thing is close to a grand no matter where you buy it. I didn't ask at Alto, I just got in line for when they arrive, but I'm sure that with tax and shipping it will be close to $800. Where I live that's close to a grand. So no one will make them if nobody buys them--shop around and put your money where your mouth is. Firstborns are important too--best of luck to Lance! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics Maybe the universe lowered its prices while the EDP stayed the same. ;) It's all relative according to Einstein; we'd never perceive it. (I bet Gibson winked... writing-on-the-wall type thing, so your theory sounds good.) Musician's Friend's knows which way the wind is blowing re/EDP if anyone. And nobody's talking about EDPs beyond the as-yet shipped units. I imagine EDP sales don't bring in truckloads of cash for Gibson. I say sell the EDP division to a non-karaoke company! ;) Seems somebody would dig to slapping their name in front of "Echoplex". Or change it to the "DigiTech Geckoplex" or something. It'll be interesting to see what happens next commercially. The next cat's meow... is it Matthias and the rumored Chameleon "Echoplex" skin? G4s and Ableton? Kyma X plus Capybara plus LCK (plus arms and legs and firstborns)? -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics --- Greg House wrote: It wouldn't surprise me to > find that they cut some deal > with Gibson to buy the entire stock, hence removing the competition, > before raising the price so dramatically. Although I doubt this but has anybody considered that maybe Gibson raised the price of the units causing MF to raise their prices in the catalog? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 11:16:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SFECc07974; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:14:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:14:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c474b3$d910ee70$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <200407272030.i6RKUr103610@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040728120615.0280acb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: FS: Edirol UA-1000 USB 2.0 rack interface Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:01:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <07ljyB.A.I8B.3K8BBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers! I want to offer this piece to the list before I bother to go to eBay with it. Bought this about 6 months ago, when still exploring a laptop-based live looping rig. Given where I'm going now (all hardware, no 'puters), this doesn't really fit with my setup, and I need to let it go to finance some other purchases. Edirol UA-1000 USB 2.0 rack mount audio interface, like new, with all the goodies (manual, driver CD, power cord, rack screws). Just don't have the original box, but it will be *well* packed in a good replacement box. US$600, PayPal only, which *includes* shipping and insurance anywhere in the US. If someone across one of the ponds wants it, email me. I won't try to cover all that the UA-1000 does in this email. I'll leave a few links, in case you don't know about the unit. Bottom line: - Rackmount USB 2.0 interface to your computer - that means it can actually handle all of the 10in/10out connections without choking - The mic pres on this are really excellent - Not just a USB audio interface, but a full-featured mixer as well - This would be a great tool for a live laptop-er with lots of audio sources Here's a thorough and objective revew from emusician: http://emusician.com/hardware/emusic_edirolua_win/ Here's the product page at Edirol's site: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ua1000.html This comes with a hardcopy manual, but as usual with most Roland/Edirol products, I can't find the manual in PDF format online. If you have a specific question that's not covered in the links above, just ask (via private email please!) Thanks for letting me spam the list! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 11:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SFQHT09167; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr3-rev3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:25:44 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Kobe gig dates fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I got some contacts for the gig from LD members,Thanks. Gig dates has fixed, "Looper's Delight J 4th Round" When: 21th Sunday November 2004 open 18:00 start 19:00 where: Club Otoya Kobe,Japan. http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya if you have interesting join gig,please mail me. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com At 2:26 PM +0900 04.7.25, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hello, > >I am planning Looping Festival in Kobe in this November or December. >We did "Looper's Delight J" live gigs in '98,'01 and '02 in Kobe. >http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J > >I think "Looper's Delight J" is first looping festival in Japan. >And we wan to to do the next is in this November or December. > >Someone interest this gig? >We want to meet and unite loopers. > >The gig venue is Otoya,they are about 150 people capacity and good PA system. >Location is Sannomiya where it is center of Kobe. >http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya >or >http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~ya_kobe/otoya.html > >We want to fix gig dates by arrange the artists schedules. > >Please mail me if you have interest for join the gig. > >p.s. >I released new solo CD,please visit below.. >http://cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/index_E.html > > > Regards > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 12:45:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SGfZ427250; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFBE@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFBE@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:40:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 28, 2004, at 4:21 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I managed to find a 220 recently, but it's just not the same without > the 110 aswell. I've got my 220 in a box in a closet. I sold my 110 long ago. If it hadn't crashed so much when receiving MIDI input (I don't think it liked MIDI running status), the Korg DDD-1 probably would have been my favorite of the drum machines I've owned over the years. Sort of wish I hadn't sold it. I'm debating an Electribe of some sort. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 13:21:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SHJBo05260; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:19:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:19:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:18:49 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, regarding Electribe keep in mind that the pads are not velocity sensitive (if you need that). I needed it. I didn't realize that most beatboxes nowadays are not velocity sensitive, which surprised me. I returned my mkII the next day, then found an EMU MP-7 online. I can still see having an Electribe in the future though, just not as my primary beatbox. They're funky wild! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) On Jul 28, 2004, at 4:21 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I managed to find a 220 recently, but it's just not the same without > the 110 aswell. I've got my 220 in a box in a closet. I sold my 110 long ago. If it hadn't crashed so much when receiving MIDI input (I don't think it liked MIDI running status), the Korg DDD-1 probably would have been my favorite of the drum machines I've owned over the years. Sort of wish I hadn't sold it. I'm debating an Electribe of some sort. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 14:04:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SI2WR15811; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:01:39 -0400 Subject: Re: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want one, i'd be happy to sell you my electribe. T. On 7/28/04 12:40 PM, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2004, at 4:21 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> I managed to find a 220 recently, but it's just not the same without >> the 110 aswell. > > I've got my 220 in a box in a closet. I sold my 110 long ago. > > If it hadn't crashed so much when receiving MIDI input (I don't think > it liked MIDI running status), the Korg DDD-1 probably would have been > my favorite of the drum machines I've owned over the years. Sort of > wish I hadn't sold it. I'm debating an Electribe of some sort. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 14:11:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SIAWb16684; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040728181014.84570.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Zechinato wrote: > It'll be interesting to see what happens next > commercially. The next cat's > meow... is it Matthias and the rumored Chameleon > "Echoplex" skin? G4s and For me, an interesting plot twist in the Loop IV-for-Chameleon storyline is the recent announcement of the Chameleon MkII: http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/news1.htm#news35 I recall onboard RAM was one drawback of the LoopIV-for-Chameleon idea, according to Matthias. Presumably this new MkII model will have more RAM as well as faster DSP(s). Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 14:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SI2Z715826; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:02:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:02:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EBFAC53-E0C0-11D8-BEE9-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Buying an Echoplex and Firstborns Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:01:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone asked the question, "where are these made?" They're made in England, right? That kind of means a lot when you have to realize how much they pay their labour compared to how much it would cost Gibson to have it made in Micronesia. This translates to spending more money at the shoppe. When I think about the relative pricing of other gear it seems to make no sense at all. Now it's quite commonplace to find stand alone HD recording setups with built in preamps and effects, the whole bit, for US $1000. To me that *seems* like a much more complex piece of equipment that would have to include many similar components that a looper would. (ie: memory, DACs, etc.) Also, it seems like more people want a multi track hard disk recorder so the demand would be higher, right? Well, the market is larger which in this case translates to higher production and competition. How do they do it? VOLUME VOLUME VOLUME. The EDP isn't about that. It's much more of a boutique item, with very limited appeal. If this were not so, the market would be full of similar devices and they'd cost about $200-$400. The reality of it all is that this is all typing. Worthless speculation. Until enough people start using looping to make music that there is a demand for these devices we'll be subjected to low choice and high price. That is the nature of things. Mark On Jul 28, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Lance Zechinato wrote: > > I just bought a mint Repeater on eBay couple days ago, so you know I'm > chewing on my greens. ;) I paid what it was worth to me. To ME. And > that's really the name of the game, right? If the EDP got super > scarce and > went for $2k, people would buy it. Because that's what it would be > worth to > THEM. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 14:26:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SIPWE18964; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <85.11b9ef4e.2e394983@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:07 EDT Subject: looping observation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.11b9ef4e.2e394983_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_85.11b9ef4e.2e394983_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ola kiddies.....yesterday i spend the entire day resetting up my humble studio and i tried something different.....my 3 footpedals were always arranged left to right: boomerang-digi xp 300-zoom 2100.....that's the way it's always been.....well they are now reversed: zoom-digi-rang.....when i tried to play last evening it was very nicely weird having to think for a second where the rang was, it seemed that that pause made me more aware of what i was actually doing.....a basic case of let's break a habit and see what happens.....no doubt a simple thing but you might want to try it.....michael p.s. my old puter died the slow and painful death so i got a new one.....i went to the dark side and got a mac.....it came with garage band (fun) and i also got some simple recording programs that i am at a complete loss as how to use: Peak LE 4 (G4+) and Reason Adapted for M-Audio, there is also Live Delta.....i am casting off my LUDDITE attiudes and i am going to learn how to use this stuff, i promise!.....if anyone out there can send me some pointers about this mission please do so, off line of course.....thanks --part1_85.11b9ef4e.2e394983_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ola kiddies.....yesterday i spend the e= ntire day resetting up my humble studio and i tried something different.....= my 3 footpedals were always arranged left to right: boomerang-digi xp 300-zo= om 2100.....that's the way it's always been.....well they are now reversed:=20= zoom-digi-rang.....when i tried to play last evening it was very nicely weir= d having to think for a second where the rang was, it seemed that that pause= made me more aware of what i was actually doing.....a basic case of let's b= reak a habit and see what happens.....no doubt a simple thing but you might=20= want to try it.....michael
p.s. my old puter died the slow and painful death so i got a new one.....i w= ent to the dark side and got a mac.....it came with garage band (fun) and i=20= also got some simple recording programs that i am at a complete loss as how=20= to use: Peak LE 4 (G4+) and Reason Adapted for M-Audio, there is also Live D= elta.....i am casting off my LUDDITE attiudes and i am going to learn how to= use this stuff, i promise!.....if anyone out there can send me some pointer= s about this mission please do so, off line of course.....thanks --part1_85.11b9ef4e.2e394983_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 14:28:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SIPSl18944; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B9A3B96-E0C3-11D8-BEE9-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:24:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The lack of velocity sensitivity was a deal breaker for me too. Same holds true for the Roland stuff. I ended up with the E-MU XL-7 and I'm pretty happy. While it's not as easy to work with as the Roland stuff (I've never owned and electribe) it's a lot more flexible and has a way higher capacity for ROM sounds. Because of it's pads and extra outputs I can actually leave a synth home on small gigs and use the XL-7 for playing basic synth sounds. Mark On Jul 28, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Lance Zechinato wrote: > Mark, regarding Electribe keep in mind that the pads are not velocity > sensitive (if you need that). I needed it. I didn't realize that most > beatboxes nowadays are not velocity sensitive, which surprised me. I > returned my mkII the next day, then found an EMU MP-7 online. I can > still > see having an Electribe in the future though, just not as my primary > beatbox. They're funky wild! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 14:56:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SIrLs26765; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:53:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:53:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c474d4$1c522210$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: References: Subject: Re: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:51:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can always play/program it with a small velocity sensitive keyboard. -PG > Mark, regarding Electribe keep in mind that the pads are not velocity > sensitive (if you need that). I needed it. I didn't realize that most > beatboxes nowadays are not velocity sensitive, which surprised me. I > returned my mkII the next day, then found an EMU MP-7 online. I can still > see having an Electribe in the future though, just not as my primary > beatbox. They're funky wild! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 15:02:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SJ0qc30879; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <85.11b9ef4e.2e394983@aol.com> References: <85.11b9ef4e.2e394983@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <60981D99-E0C8-11D8-BEE9-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: looping observation Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:00:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 28, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > p.s. my old puter died the slow and painful death so i got a new > one.....i went to the dark side and got a mac.....it came with garage > band (fun) and i also got some simple recording programs that i am at > a complete loss as how to use: Peak LE 4 (G4+) and Reason Adapted for > M-Audio, there is also Live Delta..... Welcome to the darkside. I've never used Garageband, but I'm finding that using MOTU's Digital Performer 4 with their 828 Firewire interface to be a very sweet little setup. For looping it's got the POLAR module which is a single feature (adjustable feedback) away from being a Repeater killer. All in all, it is a useful feature. > i am casting off my LUDDITE attiudes and i am going to learn how to > use this stuff, i promise!.....if anyone out there can send me some > pointers about this mission please do so, off line of > course.....thanks I can't go on enough about how I think you made the right choice. While there's not as much cool software out for Macintosh OSX, there's more all the time and there already is a bunch of cool stuff. OSX is amazingly stable and to me seems a hands down winner in terms of useablity compared to Window's XP. (I have to use both at my job) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 15:08:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SJ6JR32508; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:06:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:04:23 -0800 Subject: Re: looping observation From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85.11b9ef4e.2e394983@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3173861063_144366_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <6i6psD.A.t3H.cj_BBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3173861063_144366_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit .michael writ:... p.s. my old puter died the slow and painful death so i got a new one.....i went to the dark side and got a mac..... welcome to the darkside --MS_Mac_OE_3173861063_144366_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping observation
.michael writ:...
p.s. my old p= uter died the slow and painful death so i got a new one.....i went to the da= rk side and got a mac.....



welcome to the darkside --MS_Mac_OE_3173861063_144366_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 15:40:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SJdSY06704; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <006101c474d4$1c522210$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:38:41 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So it's velocity sensitive under the hood, just not via the pads. Cool. That's good to know. It's not something mentioned in the online blurbs, and I suppose you'd only discover it by actually doing it. Or maybe the manual mentions it. The Electribes are heavy on step sequencing, or cater a lot to that crowd. So, I could just use my MP-7 as the midi controller, couldn't I? Sweet. I've got one eye on those ESX-1's and that makes them a lot more appealing now. You have experience with this, right? Straight-up velocity sensitivity when using a midi controller for input? -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Grant [mailto:pg@patrickgrant.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) You can always play/program it with a small velocity sensitive keyboard. -PG > Mark, regarding Electribe keep in mind that the pads are not velocity > sensitive (if you need that). I needed it. I didn't realize that most > beatboxes nowadays are not velocity sensitive, which surprised me. I > returned my mkII the next day, then found an EMU MP-7 online. I can still > see having an Electribe in the future though, just not as my primary > beatbox. They're funky wild! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 16:03:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SK1s613590; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c474dd$abef07e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Drum Machine solutions Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:01:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C474A2.FF3F02A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C474A2.FF3F02A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been a lover of drum machines since owned my first Roland CR-78 = (the first programmable machine). What's bothered me is that one gets sick of sounds really quickly. Consequently, I think a really good solution is to use something with a = lot of prgrammability (and shite sounds) like the tried and true Alesis SR16 which is fairly inexpensive new at = around $150 and then use a sampler for the sounds. =20 These days there are a plethora of old, great sounding samplers that are = 16 bit for sale pretty cheap. It takes a little more work because you have to find sounds, but you are = always current. Then everything changed when I got FLStudio producers edition which is = the best drum machine in all history in my opinion and is a very = reasonable $149. It will take any .wav files on your computer but, = regrettfully takes either a laptop for live playing or, a cheap = solution.................burn 10 minute tracks onto CD and use a = portable CD player at your gig....................you can even loop the = sounds off the CD for your tracks. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C474A2.FF3F02A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   I've been a lover of drum = machines since=20 owned my first Roland CR-78 (the first programmable = machine).
What's bothered me is that one gets sick of = sounds really=20 quickly.
 
Consequently,  I think a really good = solution is to=20 use something with a lot of prgrammability (and shite = sounds)
like the tried and true Alesis SR16 which is = fairly=20 inexpensive new at around $150 and then use a sampler
for the sounds. 
 
These days there are a plethora of old, great = sounding=20 samplers that are 16 bit for sale pretty cheap.
It takes a little more work because you have to = find=20 sounds, but you are always current.
 
Then everything changed when I got FLStudio = producers=20 edition which is the best drum machine in all history in my opinion and = is a=20 very reasonable $149.     It will take any .wav = files on=20 your computer but, regrettfully takes either a laptop for live playing = or, =20 a cheap solution.................burn 10 minute tracks onto CD and use a = portable CD player at your gig....................you can even loop the = sounds=20 off the CD for your tracks.
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C474A2.FF3F02A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 17:37:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SLYY201907; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <21246200.1091050445674.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:34:05 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PDX looping venues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone out in Portland point me towards some suitable venues for acoustic guitar live looping? You know, coffeehouse type places where I can put out a tip jar and play a couple of sets accompanied by the milk steamer. Maybe best to reply off list. Thanks, TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 17:42:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SLefQ04048; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:40:18 -0600 Message-Id: <200407282140.i6SLeIV09852@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: PDX looping venues X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.13.42 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can anyone out in Portland point me towards some suitable venues for acoustic guitar live looping? You know, coffeehouse type places where I can put out a tip jar and play a couple of sets accompanied by the milk steamer. I've heard that referred to as Playing in the Key of Steam Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 17:53:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SLlGk06034; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <41081E9D.00002F.03336@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:05 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_TG0LC5G3LVC000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <21246200.1091050445674.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Program like acid for MAC 9? X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_TG0LC5G3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9?=0D Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops. =0D =0D TX!=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm --------------Boundary-00=_TG0LC5G3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9?
 Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops.
 
TX!
 
 
 
 
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--------------Boundary-00=_TG0LC5G3LVC000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 19:32:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SNVGF01217; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:31:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: Program like acid for MAC 9? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C474D9.8C0BDF10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <41081E9D.00002F.03336@A7V266E-XP-USER> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:30:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C474D9.8C0BDF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sony, take a look at the software-based loopers in the “Tools of the Trade” section of Looper’s Delight. Cycling ’74 RediaL ( http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html) looks like the best fit for your OS. I’m not familiar with the prices of any of them except Kyma+LCK (which I think is the ultimate, but pricey). -----Original Message----- From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Program like acid for MAC 9? Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9? Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops. TX! SE Help http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi First Eval' Help.....Click Below http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil Real Producer Tutorial http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil Encoding Specs (dynamic tool) http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls Free Player URL http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/ Enterprise Player Guide http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.htm ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C474D9.8C0BDF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So= ny, take a look at the software-based loopers in the “Tools of the = Trade” section of Looper’s Delight.  = Cycling ’74 RediaL (http://www.cycling= 74.com/products/radial.html) looks like the best fit for your OS.  I’m not familiar with the prices of any of them except = Kyma+LCK (which I think is the ultimate, but pricey).

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, = 2004 5:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Program like = acid for MAC 9?

 

 Does = anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9?

 Looking = to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops.

 

TX!

 

 

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C474D9.8C0BDF10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 20:03:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6SNuOu07616; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c474fe$6f8949c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <200407282332.i6SNW5v01450@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: looping observation Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:56:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about the descent to the darkside: all is well and good (and I'm an OS X user myself) but there are constant posts these days like this: "Is there something as good as ACID or FLSTUDIO for Os9 or X." The answer, truthfully, is no. (although Ableton Live 4.0 has just really upped the ante on both platforms). And this stupid argument goes on and on and probably has more to do with the kind of money we have invested in our systems than the actual merits of them but I have to say that my hyperthreading 2.8 mghz P4 boots in 20 seconds and is siginicantly faster and has less crashes than my Mac powerbook. Windows use to suck for digital audio, but many years have gone by and they have really stabilized WinXP. Those G5s sure look juicy though. Wish I had the dough. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 20:18:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T0CIs13340; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001c01c474fe$6f8949c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200407282332.i6SNW5v01450@hemlock.violacea.com> <001c01c474fe$6f8949c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:10:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: looping observation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And this stupid argument goes on and on and probably has more to do with the >kind of money we have invested >in our systems than the actual merits of them but I have to say that my >hyperthreading 2.8 mghz P4 boots in >20 seconds and is siginicantly faster and has less crashes than my Mac >powerbook. I assume you're using OS 9 or some such? I keep my OS/X laptop up for weeks without any problems. But I don't do much digital audio on it. >Windows use to suck for digital audio, but many years have gone by and they >have really stabilized WinXP. > >Those G5s sure look juicy though. Wish I had the dough. Generally, I recommend technically sophisticated people with more time than money get PCs because you can get 'em dirt cheap. People without spare time or who aren't so techie, I send to the Mac. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 20:36:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T0Zes16468; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:35:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1EB465BF-E0F7-11D8-BEE9-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Program like acid for MAC 9? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:34:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6T0ZEh16420 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An early version of Live (1 or 2) should work fine for you and is very ACID like. Mark On Jul 28, 2004, at 4:31 PM, Lance Zechinato wrote: > Sony, take a look at the software-based loopers in the “Tools of the > Trade” section of Looper’s Delight.  Cycling ’74 RediaL > (http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html) looks like the best > fit for your OS.  I’m not familiar with the prices of any of them > except Kyma+LCK (which I think is the ultimate, but pricey). > >   > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Program like acid for MAC 9? > >   > >  Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9? > >  Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops. > >   > > TX! > >   > >   > >   > >   > >                                SE Help > > http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi > >           First Eval' Help.....Click Below > > http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil > >   > >           Real Producer Tutorial > > http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/ > open.smil > >                 > >               Encoding Specs (dynamic tool) > > http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls > >                            Free Player URL > >               http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/ > >                             Enterprise Player Guide     > >                 http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/ > rdmguide.htm > >   > >   > >   > >   From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 28 23:21:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T3J7c21045; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Sony Felberg" , Subject: RE: Program like acid for MAC 9? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C474F9.92E6E260" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <41081E9D.00002F.03336@A7V266E-XP-USER> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [151.197.250.116] at Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:18:45 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C474F9.92E6E260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might try BitHeadz Phraser www.bitheadz.com. They might have an OS 9 version. But I couldn't get their website up tonight, so I'm not sure if they're still around. -Michael -----Original Message----- From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Program like acid for MAC 9? Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9? Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops. TX! 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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C474F9.92E6E260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 00:37:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T4a2b04889; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:36:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <45_SqC.A.hHB.B6HCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may be old-hat to you Internet-shopping savvy loopers, but I just found out that the UPS driver can decide to simply leave your package outside your door if you're not home. Lesson learned: ALWAYS specify "signature required" on your order. Otherwise, the driver may leave it on the street for easy pickings by any punk walking by. I won't say more right now - I'm just getting more frustrated the more I think about it and needed to vent a bit while I wait for UPS to "investigate". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 01:18:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T5DTV15298; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:12:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This may be old-hat to you Internet-shopping savvy >loopers, but I just found out that the UPS driver can >decide to simply leave your package outside your door >if you're not home. It's up to the driver's discretion. If the driver thinks the neighborhood is "safe" (whatever that means these days), or if there is a place (such as a porch, screen door, side door, etc.) to leave it, they will. >Lesson learned: ALWAYS specify "signature required" >on your order. Right. Unlike Fed Ex, UPS's default is that you *don't* have to sign for it. Fed Ex's default is sig. required. The good news, I hope, is that your package (which I presume has been stolen) is probably insured for its full value. I certainly hope so. The first $100 of coverage is free, but you have to pay for additional coverage. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 01:45:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T5iNr23434; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: re: looping observation Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:43:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom wrote: "I assume you're using OS 9 or some such? I keep my OS/X laptop up for weeks without any problems. But I don't do much digital audio on it." No, I"m running OS X which is really stable. I've just had less crashes with my PC. I have to say, in fairness, that I am running an 867 mghz processor in the 12" laptop so it is not nearly state of the art. Tom also wrote: "Generally, I recommend technically sophisticated people with more time than money get PCs because you can get 'em dirt cheap. People without spare time or who aren't so techie, I send to the Mac." I agree with you here. Straight out of the box, the Mac is just simpler. I also forget how incredibly frustrating it was trying to get my Win 98se system to work. Win XP is so vastly much easier and stable. At the last digital music conference that I went to a bunch of Mac people (the predominant amount of electronic music composers in the room at the time) were trashing PCs. I got up and asked which OS the people who had experience with PCs were running. All of them had experience with win 95 or win 98. Noone had even tried XP (which was relatively new at the time). In 1999, the Mac kicked total ass on the PC, but peeps, it's 2004 now and time has moved on. If I had to desert island a decision personally, I would have to go with the PC due to it and it's peripherals inexpensiveness and the proprietary software that is available for it but it would be a really difficult choice because the Mac world is so cool (and the visuals of the Mac are exquisite I think). The tools available on either platform are just stunning, even compared with what was available 5 years ago. 120 gig hard drives for $75? Just unbelivable. It is a great time to be a musician because of how powerful computers are. Michael Klobuchar is going to love his new Mac and with really good reason. I predict it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 01:45:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T5iKa23415; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Drum Machine solutions Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:43:36 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008001c474dd$abef07e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-ID: b7BYhaZegeQoeDQdTICqstyjV9b68Vg7wRGxOHaecw9I+kTn2S1j64@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <3QjHAC.A.poF.65ICBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What's bothered me is that one gets sick of sounds really quickly I've bought a used BOSS DR 670 on Ebay recently for 134 Euros. It is an amazing little box that has 64 completely different drum sets, each consisting of 32 instruments - plus 16 different basses! - so it will take some time to get sick of the sounds. And you can program drum patterns plus bass lines, songs basically. Of course laptop software is more versatile, but you can easily take this thing outside with you - it is small and light - and compose songs sitting on a park bench or in a train. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 01:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T5oxL25952; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:50:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: re: looping observation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The tools available on either platform are just stunning, even compared with >what was available 5 years ago. 120 gig hard drives for $75? Just >unbelivable. astonishing! when I got my first Mac, I agonized between the 80 meg drive and the 120 meg drive -- it was quite a lot more for those extra 40 megabytes of drive space and I wasn't sure what I was going to do with them! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 02:24:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T6Hmo30940; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: fusierzyg@mail.adam.com.au Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:49:13 +0930 To: Loopers-Delight From: Zygosin Subject: CFC's for Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I haven't posted to this list before, but recently I tried to use a 512mb Sandisk CFC with Repeater & I was told it was too slow. I thought Sandisk cards worked with Repeater, but it was a standard card not an Ultra, which I thought couldn't be used with Repeater as they weren't around when it was released. Unfortunately it's not easy to find any of the other brands mentioned in Adelaide, Australia, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me if it's ok to use a, 512mb Sandisk Ultra card? -- Fusier Tel/Fax: 61-8-8271 7397 AUSTRALIA http://www.zygosin.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 02:31:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T6SHQ32158; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407282140.i6SLeIV09852@minds-eye.org> References: <200407282140.i6SLeIV09852@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <10E4AD66-E129-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: PDX looping venues Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:32:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, everytime I see your name I think, "Mmmmm, I'd love some delicious Chili Colorado right now." Sorry, it's late and my filter is off. Mark On Jul 28, 2004, at 2:40 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > >> Can anyone out in Portland point me towards some suitable venues for > acoustic guitar live looping? You know, coffeehouse type places where > I > can put out a tip jar and play a couple of sets accompanied by the milk > steamer. > > I've heard that referred to as Playing in the Key of Steam > > Kevin > > How amazing, how amazing! > Hard to comprehend that > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > But when sound is heard with the eye, > Then it is understood. > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 02:41:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T6dMY01637; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:39:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c47536$c22dc600$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: programs like ACID for Mac Os 9 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:39:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <2lfJ3D.A.GZ.OuJCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark is spot on about earlier versions of Ableton's Live being as closely analagous to Acid as anything you'll find for Os 9 or X, for that matter. As much in love with ACID as I am, Ableton's is rapidly outstripping it as a program, especially with there new midi sequencing ability and VST support. I don't have the bucks for the upgrade yet, but I look forward to getting 4.0. There are several artists on Loopers Delight who have it by now, prominently among them, Per Boysen, I imagine. I think Cycling 74's RADIAL is a really interesting program. Invented by musical rennaisance programmer/recording artist JHNO it uses a multiple simultaneous looping paradigm that allows for some interesting justtapositions of loops that go at different speeds and cycle lengths. It is so different from Acid, however , that I don't think it is a good analagous solution for Acid. Acid is really more like a cross between a looping program and an audio program (like the audio recording parts of Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Digital Performer, et. al.). I think Ableton is your best bet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 04:08:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T86OC21599; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A323671-E136-11D8-B752-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: looping observation Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:06:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <5ou3kB.A.2QF.0_KCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 28, 2004, at 10:43 PM, loop.pool wrote: > If I had to desert island a decision personally, I would have to go > with > the PC due to it and it's peripherals inexpensiveness and the > proprietary > software that is available for it but it would be a really difficult > choice > because the Mac world is so cool > (and the visuals of the Mac are exquisite I think). The software and peripheral availability won't do you much good on the desert island. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 04:34:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T8XHp28495; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:33:04 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I was shocked when my EDP arrived at the beginning of July. It was shipped in its bare Gibson Echoplex white box and left at my door. In fairness, I do actually live in very nice apartment complex, but still. Just surprised me. I've always viewed UPS as the brat of shipping companies. I prefer USPS whenever possible. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS This may be old-hat to you Internet-shopping savvy loopers, but I just found out that the UPS driver can decide to simply leave your package outside your door if you're not home. Lesson learned: ALWAYS specify "signature required" on your order. Otherwise, the driver may leave it on the street for easy pickings by any punk walking by. I won't say more right now - I'm just getting more frustrated the more I think about it and needed to vent a bit while I wait for UPS to "investigate". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 04:36:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6T8a2Z29361; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:36:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040729083551.15970.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: | SquidLoop | Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-vukWD.A.MKH.sbLCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I remember coming home one night and seeing about 5 packages laying at my front door - about 5 modules for my rack - over $3000 of stuff - I lived in an apartment building with many many units. At the time I wasn't getting him until dark so you can see how pissed off I was when I saw all that stuff just laying there. Luckily it was still there when I got home ... ARGGH ! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 08:23:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TCGZK12646; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1091103100!17716482 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFCF@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: LanceZechinato@verizon.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:06:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C47564.715AEC20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47564.715AEC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>You have experience with this, right? Straight-up velocity sensitivity when using a midi controller for input?<< absolutely yes, even the older solid-state electribes. I guess they just wanted to save a few bucks on the hardware. I would have to fire one of mine up to be sure that the step-sequencer itself stores/plays back vv data, but it moset certainly responds to it over midi. I have a feeling that using the accent control has some bearing on what it transmits..... btw- just snagged an old 110 off of e-bay, just like I thought I might..... damn it's addictive. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>You have experience with this, right?  Strai= ght-up velocity sensitivity when
using a midi controller for input?<<

absolutely yes, even the older solid-state electribes. I = guess they just wanted to save a few bucks on the hardware. I would have to= fire one of mine up to be sure that the step-sequencer itself stores/plays= back vv data, but it moset certainly responds to it over midi. I have a fe= eling that using the accent control has some bearing on what it transmits..= ...

btw- just snagged an old 110 off of e-bay, just like I th= ought I might..... damn it's addictive.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C47564.715AEC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 09:50:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TDlQ823149; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:48:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47551.35DCCC80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFCF@lon-oxmail02> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:47:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47551.35DCCC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, if you’re ever are at your rig and happen to have things setup just so, let me know what you discovered. That ESX-1 one looks really sweet, and it would be great to great to have control over velocity beyond accent control. -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:06 AM To: LanceZechinato@verizon.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ) >>You have experience with this, right? Straight-up velocity sensitivity when using a midi controller for input?<< absolutely yes, even the older solid-state electribes. I guess they just wanted to save a few bucks on the hardware. I would have to fire one of mine up to be sure that the step-sequencer itself stores/plays back vv data, but it moset certainly responds to it over midi. I have a feeling that using the accent control has some bearing on what it transmits..... btw- just snagged an old 110 off of e-bay, just like I thought I might..... damn it's addictive. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47551.35DCCC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: korg drumboxes (was terry riley's organ)

We= ll, if you’re ever are at your rig and happen to have things setup just = so, let me know what you discovered.  = That ESX-1 one looks really sweet, and it would be great to great to have = control over velocity beyond accent control.

 

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Subject: RE: korg = drumboxes (was terry riley's organ)

 

>>You have experience with = this, right?  Straight-up velocity sensitivity when
using a midi controller for = input?<< <= /p>

absolutely yes, even the older = solid-state electribes. I guess they just wanted to save a few bucks on the = hardware. I would have to fire one of mine up to be sure that the step-sequencer = itself stores/plays back vv data, but it moset certainly responds to it over = midi. I have a feeling that using the accent control has some bearing on what it transmits.....

btw- just snagged an old 110 off = of e-bay, just like I thought I might..... damn it's addictive. <= /p>

d.



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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47551.35DCCC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 10:22:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TELAU29896; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:21:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:21:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d040729072048b4aa4d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:20:44 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CFC's for Repeater In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The situation with CFCs and the repeater is somewhat complicated. The Repeater was designed for CFCs that use a Hitachi controller (whatever that means). The best source currently is www.pretec.com. The "Compact Flash 42x" has a Hitachi Controller. The 512Mb card is currently $129.95 and pretec appears to ship worldwide. While some other "ultra" cards are faster for some applications, they aren't suitable for the Repeater. The Yahoo Repeater group has a lot more info. Hope this clears things up. On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:49:13 +0930, Zygosin wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't posted to this list before, but recently I tried to use a > 512mb Sandisk CFC with Repeater & I was told it was too slow. I > thought Sandisk cards worked with Repeater, but it was a standard > card not an Ultra, which I thought couldn't be used with Repeater as > they weren't around when it was released. Unfortunately it's not > easy to find any of the other brands mentioned in Adelaide, > Australia, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me if it's ok to use > a, 512mb Sandisk Ultra card? > -- > Fusier > > Tel/Fax: 61-8-8271 7397 > AUSTRALIA > http://www.zygosin.com > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 10:30:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TESq830814; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040729083551.15970.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040729083551.15970.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E108EE8-E16C-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:32:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find that FedEx does the same thing. I ship stuff FedEx ground to people for Ebay auctions and I've never gotten a complaint, but I wonder about such things. I live in a quiet neighborhood on a tiny dead end, and I've got a closed in porch, but my wife bought a Yamaha S80 and they left it (actually, I'm not sure who the shipper was) in our driveway! I've been home when stuff was just dropped off without even a doorbell. What's going on? I don't think this every used to happen. On some level, it's easier getting stuff not having to wait for it, but I wonder how they can get away with this. Do they have to come up with an insurance payment if it's taken off your porch? Anyway, this story's going to make me act to make my work address the same as my credit card so I can use it as a shipping address. Mark On Jul 29, 2004, at 1:35 AM, |SquidLoop| wrote: > Yeah I remember coming home one night and seeing about > 5 packages laying at my front door - about 5 modules > for my rack - over $3000 of stuff - I lived in an > apartment building with many many units. At the time I > wasn't getting him until dark so you can see how > pissed off I was when I saw all that stuff just laying > there. Luckily it was still there when I got home ... > ARGGH ! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 11:18:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TFGRF09529; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:16:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1091113896!17797494 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFD7@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:06:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4757D.93F00900" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4757D.93F00900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I just found out that the UPS driver can decide to simply leave your package outside your door if you're not home<< yeah- they do it in the UK too. a couple of times I've come home expecting to find a "we called but you were out" card from UPS, fedex, parcel-farce or whomever, & instead I've seen, from a distance, the various bits of council-provided garden furniture rearranged in an interesting way. we have these big wheelie bins for normal garbage, but also these little green boxes with lids supposably for recycling. they are about the size of a six-U rack unit.... I've found all sorts of packages in there, & a brick on top, & the whole thing positioned so that the wheelie bin would have to be moved to get at it or past it to the front door. I sort of wouldn't mind if I thopught the UPS (or whatever) guy knew what day the recycling box is supposed to be emptied, but also the arrangement of the bin draws attention to the whole deal. but if I get stuff delivered to our mailroom at work, & there's some import tax to pay, the guy will take it away again unless the mailroom have exactly the right amount of money or the shipper has remembered to call me for my credit card # in advance, which they seldom do. one tape deck came here from LA, went back & came again because of this, & the 11,000 miles didn't do it's insides any good. y'can't win. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I just found out that the UPS driver can decide t= o simply leave your package outside your door if you're not home<<

yeah- they do it in the UK too. a couple of times I've co= me home expecting to find a "we called but you were out" card fro= m UPS, fedex, parcel-farce or whomever, & instead I've seen, from a dis= tance, the various bits of council-provided garden furniture rearranged in = an interesting way. we have these big wheelie bins for normal garbage, but = also these little green boxes with lids supposably for recycling. they are = about the size of a six-U rack unit.... I've found all sorts of packages in= there, & a brick on top, & the whole thing positioned so that the = wheelie bin would have to be moved to get at it or past it to the front doo= r. I sort of wouldn't mind if I thopught the UPS (or whatever) guy knew wha= t day the recycling box is supposed to be emptied, but also the arrangement= of the bin draws attention to the whole deal.

but if I get stuff delivered to our mailroom at work, &am= p; there's some import tax to pay, the guy will take it away again unless t= he mailroom have exactly the right amount of money or the shipper has remem= bered to call me for my credit card # in advance, which they seldom do. one= tape deck came here from LA, went back & came again because of this, &= amp; the 11,000 miles didn't do it's insides any good.

y'can't win.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4757D.93F00900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 11:28:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TFLrV10451; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:21:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:21:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <41091608.00003F.03336@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:21:44 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_8CDM4VA4G6G000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Program like acid for MAC 9? X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_8CDM4VA4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all for your responses!=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: michael@circular-logic.com=0D Date: 07/28/04 20:18:54=0D To: Sony Felberg; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: Program like acid for MAC 9?=0D =0D You might try =0D BitHeadz Phraser=0D www.bitheadz.com.=0D They might have an OS 9 version. But I couldn't get their website up toni= ght so I'm not sure if they're still around.=0D -Michael=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com]=0D Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:46 PM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Program like acid for MAC 9?=0D =0D =0D Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9?=0D Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops. =0D =0D TX!=0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm=0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_8CDM4VA4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Thank you all for your responses!
 
 
 
 
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BitHeadz Phraser

www.bitheadz.com.

They might have an OS 9 version. But = I couldn't get their website up tonight, so I'm not sure if they're still= around.

-Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Sony Felberg [mai= lto:sony@real.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Program l= ike acid for MAC 9?

 Does anyone know of a program like Acid for MAC OS 9?
 Looking to alter tempo and pitch of existing loops.
 
TX!
 
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--------------Boundary-00=_8CDM4VA4G6G000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 11:44:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TFgse13872; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:44:17 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Drum Machine solutions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009901c47583$0ce02c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all this talk about getting tired of drum machines, I can't help but wonder why no one has mentioned pitch shift as a way to create new sounds. I have an old Alesis HR-16 (the early grey version of the MR-16) and I've NEVER tired of retuning the drums, mixing sounds to achieve new textures, etc. Three quickies for audio refreshment: * tune the floor tom way down and use it for a kick drum. The long, slow resonance sounds like John Bonham in the hallway at Brwn-ay-yur. * mix a little timbale or high-tuned piccolo snare with the wood snare for extra snap. Or mix a little down-tuned wood block with the kick drum. Or a little downtuned triangle with the ride cymbal. Or any wack retuned sound with the "normal" sound. (Downtuned tambourines sound like a bag of pots and pans.) * because the HR-16 won't allow the same sound to overlay upon itself, you can play a sound two times in a row, edit the firsat attack to volume = 8 (max), second attack to volume = 1 (min), and you get instant gating. I remember demo'ing a Boss drum box which had tuning increments in microtones. Just the sound of retuning the cymbals and triangles was wicked cool! Stupid flangey overtones whirling about! And of course this is without running your "boring" drum machine into some manglatorio stomp box...! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 11:48:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TFljb14454; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFD7@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFD7@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <813A2E7C-E176-11D8-B752-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:46:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <3wskJ.A.GhD.mvRCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm. I guess one needs to figure out how to have stuff labeled as being alcohol and hence requiring an adult signature. UPS never automatically leaves the wine club shipments at the door. I had FedEx Ground deliver something to someone only to have the tracking information report that it was signed for by S. IDEDOOR. Since the recipient had had to leave town unexpectedly, it sat for quite a while. I've also heard reports that FedEx has a policy of not paying insurance claims -- or at least of making it very difficult to collect. I work with someone who sold via eBay some camera equipment to someone in Spain, shipped it FedEx, and had the buyer report that the box arrived empty. FedEx eventually coughed up the insurance money, but it took some arm twisting. That being said, I still tend to go with FedEx Ground since I haven't found anything I prefer. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 12:10:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TG9AD18672; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040729103634.10691ae0@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:06:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS In-Reply-To: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:35 PM 7/28/2004, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >This may be old-hat to you Internet-shopping savvy >loopers, but I just found out that the UPS driver can >decide to simply leave your package outside your door >if you're not home. I've not had any of these problems with UPS, although I live smack in the middle of an urban neighborhood and I'm on really good terms with with our regular driver. My big gripe is USPS, because they'll just drop anything anywhere without leaving a notice. For instance, I got a credit card stolen out of the mail a couple of months ago before I ever received it. How the hell did that happen? I had to go through the whole 'identity theft' pain in the a**, but I've got a really cool bank and they're taking care of the prosecution for me. Also, in the past I would never use Airborne Express because of this very reason (don't know if that's still the case since they've been purchased by DHL). And, as previously mentioned, Fedex Ground will ring-&-run as well, leaving the package on the street if they have to. About the only delivery service I've found that will consistently require a real human being and a signature is Fedex Standard/Priority. --m. -- Duke Sexton Field Services Region Manager - Western Region F5 Networks 773.338.2379 (w) 773.580.7439 (c) d.sexton@f5.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 12:41:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TGYwU24064; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:34:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040729163416.80988.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2E108EE8-E16C-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy crap, guys!!! Now I feel a little better. I "only" stand to lose a $450 investment. Looks a lot smaller compared to $3000. Glad to here you guys didn't lose your gear! Paolo --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I find that FedEx does the same thing. I ship stuff > FedEx ground to > people for Ebay auctions and I've never gotten a > complaint, but I > wonder about such things. I live in a quiet > neighborhood on a tiny > dead end, and I've got a closed in porch, but my > wife bought a Yamaha > S80 and they left it (actually, I'm not sure who the > shipper was) in > our driveway! I've been home when stuff was just > dropped off without > even a doorbell. What's going on? I don't think > this every used to > happen. On some level, it's easier getting stuff > not having to wait > for it, but I wonder how they can get away with > this. Do they have to > come up with an insurance payment if it's taken off > your porch? > > Anyway, this story's going to make me act to make my > work address the > same as my credit card so I can use it as a shipping > address. > > Mark > > On Jul 29, 2004, at 1:35 AM, |SquidLoop| wrote: > > > Yeah I remember coming home one night and seeing > about > > 5 packages laying at my front door - about 5 > modules > > for my rack - over $3000 of stuff - I lived in an > > apartment building with many many units. At the > time I > > wasn't getting him until dark so you can see how > > pissed off I was when I saw all that stuff just > laying > > there. Luckily it was still there when I got home > ... > > ARGGH ! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 12:51:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TGnsU28396; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:49:16 -0700 From: Tom Attix Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS In-reply-to: <813A2E7C-E176-11D8-B752-000A95718184@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3AB22F60-E17F-11D8-BAF8-0030657BB2D6@adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFD7@lon-oxmail02> <813A2E7C-E176-11D8-B752-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would, if possible, avoid FedEx Ground (as opposed to regular FedEx). From what I was told by phone support, they will attempt delivery 3 times and then they return it to sender, they also will not hold for pick up. On Jul 29, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: Hmm. I guess one needs to figure out how to have stuff labeled as being alcohol and hence requiring an adult signature. UPS never automatically leaves the wine club shipments at the door. I had FedEx Ground deliver something to someone only to have the tracking information report that it was signed for by S. IDEDOOR. Since the recipient had had to leave town unexpectedly, it sat for quite a while. I've also heard reports that FedEx has a policy of not paying insurance claims -- or at least of making it very difficult to collect. I work with someone who sold via eBay some camera equipment to someone in Spain, shipped it FedEx, and had the buyer report that the box arrived empty. FedEx eventually coughed up the insurance money, but it took some arm twisting. That being said, I still tend to go with FedEx Ground since I haven't found anything I prefer. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 13:13:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TH2w631809; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040729170229.14986.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:02:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Drum Machine solutions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009901c47583$0ce02c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, if you have an older unit(I used to own a Roland TR-505, but I had a brief fit of stupidity and sold it)that has MIDI capabilities, you can use it to drive your sequencer in your computer or drive a sampler. Another trick I used to do was effect the crap out of it, I had a reverse reverb program that I used once and made an awesome sounding tune with backward guitars and tight rhythm playing that easily could've been used in a porn flick. The other option to consider is circuit bending. Right before I sold my 505, I was going to have it shipped out to one of those guys that mods the crap out of stuff like that and have it so I can pull an additional 16 sounds or whatever out of it. I didn't, and am still considering buying another one already modded out. so think about that as an option as well. --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > With all this talk about getting tired of drum > machines, I can't help > but wonder why no one has mentioned pitch shift as a > way to create new > sounds. I have an old Alesis HR-16 (the early grey > version of the MR-16) and > I've NEVER tired of retuning the drums, mixing > sounds to achieve new > textures, etc. Three quickies for audio refreshment: > * tune the floor tom way down and use it for a > kick drum. The long, slow > resonance sounds like John Bonham in the hallway at > Brwn-ay-yur. > * mix a little timbale or high-tuned piccolo > snare with the wood snare > for extra snap. Or mix a little down-tuned wood > block with the kick drum. Or > a little downtuned triangle with the ride cymbal. Or > any wack retuned sound > with the "normal" sound. (Downtuned tambourines > sound like a bag of pots and > pans.) > * because the HR-16 won't allow the same sound > to overlay upon itself, > you can play a sound two times in a row, edit the > firsat attack to volume = > 8 (max), second attack to volume = 1 (min), and you > get instant gating. > I remember demo'ing a Boss drum box which had > tuning increments in > microtones. Just the sound of retuning the cymbals > and triangles was wicked > cool! Stupid flangey overtones whirling about! > And of course this is without running your > "boring" drum machine into > some manglatorio stomp box...! > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 13:26:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6THFVn00943; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Drum Machine Solutions Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:15:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2004 17:15:04.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[96C3E450:01C4758F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Boss DR-660, which by itself sounds pretty crappy. I just run it through lots of highly-variable effects and 2 seperate looping/sampling chains. _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 13:46:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6THeC804665; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c47593$13f397b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: desert island depression Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:40:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote about my desert island choice of a PC over a Mac "The software and peripheral availability won't do you much good on the desert island. ;-)" Touche, Mark! But I will have Acid, FLStudio, Tu2, Granulab, Sound Forge, Vegas, Cubase SX and a zillion freeware plugins to fritter away the warm tropical hours. I'll just have to cry in my coconut milk, I guess. Rick (desparately trying to figure out how to fashion a kluged wi-fi system out of coconut shell and a lobster.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 14:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TI8dg11549; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <007601c47593$13f397b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007601c47593$13f397b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C4C7316-E18A-11D8-8149-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: desert island depression Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:08:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jul 29, 2004, at 10:40 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Rick (desparately trying to figure out how to fashion a kluged wi-fi > system out of coconut shell and a lobster.) > There's a Gilligan's Island episode about that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 15:04:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TJ3s720334; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:02:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <813A2E7C-E176-11D8-B752-000A95718184@baymoon.com> Thread-Index: AcR1nLSwNZjcmdPuQoGfERPC1CpK0gAAbiVw Message-Id: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net auth:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can always specify the box says 'live bees' or 'medical waste', which might deter some theives, but then there are strange people that like that stuff. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hmm. I guess one needs to figure out how to have stuff > labeled as being alcohol and hence requiring an adult > signature. UPS never automatically leaves the wine club > shipments at the door. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 16:16:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TKFWs02670; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410958B3.8050406@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:06:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 24, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7PoukC.A.co.WrVCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040724.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #50 July 22, 2004. On this show, I played music by Land of Chocolate and Erik Norlander who will appear at the New Jersey Proghouse on July 30. Erik Norlander - http://eriknorlander.com Land of Chocolate - http://www.landofchocolate.net New Jersey Proghouse - http://njproghouse.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== The Ministry of Inside Radio Concert - part 1 CDR (none) Things Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Robert Rich Insular Open Window (Soundscape) Michael Diamond Shambala Atlaantis Rising (none) Jordan Rudess A Step Beyond 4NYC (Magna Carta) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Land of Chocolate Mechanical Pencil Regaining the Feel (Slipt Disc) Erik Norlander Metamorphosis Music Machine (Avalon) Erik Norlander One of the Machines Music Machine (Avalon) Gordian Knot Muttersprache Emergent (Sensory) Joe Bird and the Kalyani American Metaphysical Circus Field Hippies (One Way) Joe Bird and the You Can't Ever Come American Metaphysical Circus Field Hippies Down (One Way) IQ About Lake Five Seven Stories Into 98 (none) IQ Red Dust Shadow Dark Matter (Giant Electric Pea) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in three weeks on August 21. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 16:26:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TKOx305925; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Hoby Ebert" To: "LoopersDelightlist" Subject: RE: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:24:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3AB22F60-E17F-11D8-BAF8-0030657BB2D6@adobe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I order the large majority of my stuff from Sweetwater, and any time there was some doubt as to my being home to take delivery (Sweetwater always requires a signature at the receiving end), my "Sales Engineer" would put the local FedEx depot as the delivery address and they would hold it at the depot and I could pick up my package there. Always worked flawlessly. Stuff like that is why I have always found Sweetwater's sometimes slightly higher prices very worth it. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Attix [mailto:tattix@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS I would, if possible, avoid FedEx Ground (as opposed to regular FedEx). From what I was told by phone support, they will attempt delivery 3 times and then they return it to sender, they also will not hold for pick up. On Jul 29, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: Hmm. I guess one needs to figure out how to have stuff labeled as being alcohol and hence requiring an adult signature. UPS never automatically leaves the wine club shipments at the door. I had FedEx Ground deliver something to someone only to have the tracking information report that it was signed for by S. IDEDOOR. Since the recipient had had to leave town unexpectedly, it sat for quite a while. I've also heard reports that FedEx has a policy of not paying insurance claims -- or at least of making it very difficult to collect. I work with someone who sold via eBay some camera equipment to someone in Spain, shipped it FedEx, and had the buyer report that the box arrived empty. FedEx eventually coughed up the insurance money, but it took some arm twisting. That being said, I still tend to go with FedEx Ground since I haven't found anything I prefer. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 18:19:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TMGxX27330; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:19:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200407291819.AA112460094@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Buying an Echoplex and Firstborns X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <9c5fo.A.kqG.IdXCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of selling EDPs I bought my Oberheim EDP from a listy, updated it to Loop IV, and then proceeded to leave it in the rack in my studio and never used it. It's got the full RAM contingent and the foot controller. If you're interested, drop me a line and make an offer. If I don't hear anything, I'll bung it up on Ebay. Kevin P.S. I also have a slightly banged up Boomerang with 4MB, but the version 1 OS that I've toured with but still works fine. If anyone is interested in that let me know... P.P.S. don't worry, I'm still looping, but between Live, my Repeater, DL4 and Headrush I'm more than well taken care of. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Lance Zechinato" Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:43:14 -0400 >(The arms and firstborns comment was about Kyma+Capybara+LCK, cuz it's way >out of my price range. But it's also #1 on my wish list!) > >Two days ago I shipped my new/never-unpacked EDP+EFC7 to an LD lister >(congrats!) for exactly what I paid for it, which included my ASCAP >discount. I bought it from Musician's Friend -- still my favorite online >music retailer, I might add. But you're right: even at EDP=$759, plus >EFC7=$94, plus max Gold Coverage on both, it was close to a grand. > >I just bought a mint Repeater on eBay couple days ago, so you know I'm >chewing on my greens. ;) I paid what it was worth to me. To ME. And >that's really the name of the game, right? If the EDP got super scarce and >went for $2k, people would buy it. Because that's what it would be worth to >THEM. > >Interestingly, there isn't a single EDP on eBay. And it's a real rarity to >see a blackface. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:47 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Buying an Echoplex and Firstborns > >Thought I'd weigh in-- >I sold one of my two EDPs less than three months ago and so will be >replacing it thru Alto Music when they get theirs. >There are several solidly established American artists using the EDP so I >will be really surprised if Gibson drops them from their production >line--but the chances are greater of it continuing to be available if half >the people who want to experiment with MF's price policies just cut to the >chase and get one from a retailer who has a price they can afford. Let's >face it, the thing is close to a grand no matter where you buy it. I didn't >ask at Alto, I just got in line for when they arrive, but I'm sure that with >tax and shipping it will be close to $800. Where I live that's close to a >grand. So no one will make them if nobody buys them--shop around and put >your money where your mouth is. >Firstborns are important too--best of luck to Lance! >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:55 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics > >Maybe the universe lowered its prices while the EDP stayed the same. ;) It's >all relative according to Einstein; we'd never perceive it. (I bet Gibson >winked... writing-on-the-wall type thing, so your theory sounds >good.) > >Musician's Friend's knows which way the wind is blowing re/EDP if anyone. >And nobody's talking about EDPs beyond the as-yet shipped units. I imagine >EDP sales don't bring in truckloads of cash for Gibson. I say sell the EDP >division to a non-karaoke company! ;) Seems somebody would dig to slapping >their name in front of "Echoplex". Or change it to the "DigiTech Geckoplex" >or something. > >It'll be interesting to see what happens next commercially. The next cat's >meow... is it Matthias and the rumored Chameleon "Echoplex" skin? G4s and >Ableton? Kyma X plus Capybara plus LCK (plus arms and legs and >firstborns)? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:49 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Musicians friend Price politics > >--- Greg House wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me to >> find that they cut some deal >> with Gibson to buy the entire stock, hence removing the competition, >> before raising the price so dramatically. > >Although I doubt this but has anybody considered that maybe Gibson raised >the price of the units causing MF to raise their prices in the catalog? > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 19:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6TN8w304039; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:08:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:08:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c475c1$c5a0bc80$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:14:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heck, at my home in Pittsburgh, I'd be pissed if UPS DIDN'T leave the package on my front door. 'Course, my neighborhood is off the beaten path and stuff is pretty safe being dropped off. By the same token, in Georgia where I'm working, I was expecting an amp for delivery. UPS came and didn't even knock but left a message on my door. That meatball ended up dropping off my amp at my apartment's office where I had to schlep the over 100 lb box to my truck. UPS has left envelopes on my front door in Georgia that contained checks in substantial amounts. Go figure. Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoby Ebert" To: "LoopersDelightlist" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: RE: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS > I order the large majority of my stuff from Sweetwater, and any time there > was some doubt as to my being home to take delivery (Sweetwater always > requires a signature at the receiving end), my "Sales Engineer" would put > the local FedEx depot as the delivery address and they would hold it at the > depot and I could pick up my package there. Always worked flawlessly. > > Stuff like that is why I have always found Sweetwater's sometimes slightly > higher prices very worth it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Attix [mailto:tattix@adobe.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS > > > I would, if possible, avoid FedEx Ground (as opposed to regular FedEx). > From what I was told by phone support, they will attempt delivery 3 > times and then they return it to sender, they also will not hold for > pick up. > > On Jul 29, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Hmm. I guess one needs to figure out how to have stuff labeled as being > alcohol and hence requiring an adult signature. UPS never automatically > leaves the wine club shipments at the door. > > I had FedEx Ground deliver something to someone only to have the > tracking information report that it was signed for by S. IDEDOOR. Since > the recipient had had to leave town unexpectedly, it sat for quite a > while. > > I've also heard reports that FedEx has a policy of not paying insurance > claims -- or at least of making it very difficult to collect. I work > with someone who sold via eBay some camera equipment to someone in > Spain, shipped it FedEx, and had the buyer report that the box arrived > empty. FedEx eventually coughed up the insurance money, but it took > some arm twisting. > > That being said, I still tend to go with FedEx Ground since I haven't > found anything I prefer. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 21:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6U12Xc19135; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:02:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:02:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41099BE9.3090009@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:52:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #383 for July 22, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040722.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #383 July 22, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I preempted the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. Instead, the Ministry of Inside Things performed live in the studio for the entire show. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jul Ministry of Inside Things - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/concerts/artists.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm The Ministry of Inside Things in-studio EMUSIC Concert part 1 12:00 am The Ministry of Inside Things in-studio EMUSIC Concert part 2 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze and his "Contemporary Works, Volume 1" ten CD boxed set. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "U.S.O." on the Rainhorse label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Flashpoint" by Tangerine Dream on EMI America records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 21:10:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6U18E019932; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:08:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c475d1$e29a6380$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <200407282140.i6SLeIV09852@minds-eye.org> <10E4AD66-E129-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: PDX looping venues Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:09:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm playing a gig (not a looping thing) at Yola's on 65th and Foster on Saturday morning. I play folk with my mother every other Saturday, from 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM. It's a very cool little coffee house, they might be open to looping. -Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: Re: PDX looping venues > Dude, everytime I see your name I think, "Mmmmm, I'd love some > delicious Chili Colorado right now." > > Sorry, it's late and my filter is off. > > Mark > > On Jul 28, 2004, at 2:40 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > > > > >> Can anyone out in Portland point me towards some suitable venues for > > acoustic guitar live looping? You know, coffeehouse type places where > > I > > can put out a tip jar and play a couple of sets accompanied by the milk > > steamer. > > > > I've heard that referred to as Playing in the Key of Steam > > > > Kevin > > > > How amazing, how amazing! > > Hard to comprehend that > > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > > But when sound is heard with the eye, > > Then it is understood. > > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 29 23:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6U3rTG19017; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c475e9$4eb17920$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040729043508.72624.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.220.240] at Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:53:14 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My lesson learned was to ALWAYS have important things shipped to where I work. If it's big, I can always bring my car the following day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 00:52:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6U4pGR32614; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4109D3AF.5070001@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:50:55 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PDX looping venues References: <200407282140.i6SLeIV09852@minds-eye.org> <10E4AD66-E129-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <10E4AD66-E129-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Dude, everytime I see your name I think, "Mmmmm, I'd love some > delicious Chili Colorado right now." > > Sorry, it's late and my filter is off. > That's okay, its all part of the subliminal induction plan. First you associate my name with tasty snacks, then..... If it helps, I pronounce my last name like Kelly Co-lah-n-doh. Maybe its still a snack food kind of last name, I don't know. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 01:00:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6U4we201766; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: PDX looping venues Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:58:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4109D3AF.5070001@minds-eye.org> Thread-Index: AcR18SmtXmAXRHG5TqeyqwABIEGtewAAI0pA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040730045821.GUT25702.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Salty lardo Signed, The lame-man -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PDX looping venues Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Dude, everytime I see your name I think, "Mmmmm, I'd love some > delicious Chili Colorado right now." > > Sorry, it's late and my filter is off. > That's okay, its all part of the subliminal induction plan. First you associate my name with tasty snacks, then..... If it helps, I pronounce my last name like Kelly Co-lah-n-doh. Maybe its still a snack food kind of last name, I don't know. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 01:17:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6U5DwF04699; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040730045821.GUT25702.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040730045821.GUT25702.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: PDX looping venues Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:18:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about the "late to work" inspired Slow to late-o? Maybe I should change my name to Mark Slowdelayo. Mark On Jul 29, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Salty lardo > Signed, > The lame-man > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: PDX looping venues > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Dude, everytime I see your name I think, "Mmmmm, I'd love some >> delicious Chili Colorado right now." >> >> Sorry, it's late and my filter is off. >> > That's okay, its all part of the subliminal induction plan. First you > associate my name with tasty snacks, then..... > > If it helps, I pronounce my last name like Kelly Co-lah-n-doh. Maybe > its > still a snack food kind of last name, I don't know. > > Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 06:44:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UAhUg10588; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1091183944!17860019 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE08FFE3@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Drum Machine solutions Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:33:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C47620.AB1E7EB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47620.AB1E7EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>With all this talk about getting tired of drum machines, I can't help but wonder why no one has mentioned pitch shift as a way to create new sounds. I have an old Alesis HR-16 (the early grey version of the MR-16) and I've NEVER tired of retuning the drums...... [giant snip] Downtuned tambourines sound like a bag of pots and pans...... * because the HR-16 won't allow the same sound to overlay upon itself, you can play a sound two times in a row...... instant gating.<< now you're talking! I bought an hr16 when they were brand new & quite expensive, mainly because it was the first affordable drum machine I'd heard that was remotely convincing. I knew also, even in 1988, that down-tuning was they way I would go, & that this box could do it. I believe the standard hr16 (& this may have changed on the sr16 or even the hr16b) had some quirks in it's voice allocation- the buttons were freely assignable but the ones marked open hat & closed hat were mutually exclusive. I think there was some limit on how many of the perc buttons would fire at once, but it was capable of some mad polyphony with tuned triangles. there was a demo pattern that used this effect to play a little tune, which has certainly ended up in one of our tracks with only minor alterations. & I was just about to hand it over to my guitarist too.... my favourite trick on the hr16 was layering sounds- sometimes as many as 10- panned & tuned this way & that, & all triggered by the same midi-note. blam! I like the way you can set the length of the patterns to be anything you want, & switch the quant right off too. I have a magazine interview with one of it's designers somewhere- I think marcus ryle was involved too. good machine. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47620.AB1E7EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Drum Machine solutions

>>With all this talk about getting tired of drum ma= chines, I can't help but wonder why no one has mentioned pitch shift as a w= ay to create new sounds. I have an old Alesis HR-16 (the early grey version= of the MR-16) and I've NEVER tired of retuning the drums......

[giant snip]
Downtuned tambourines sound like a bag of pots and pans.= ..... * because the HR-16 won't allow the same sound to overlay upon itself= , you can play a sound two times in a row...... instant gating.<<

now you're talking! I bought an hr16 when they were brand= new & quite expensive, mainly because it was the first affordable drum= machine I'd heard that was remotely convincing.

I knew also, even in 1988, that down-tuning was they way = I would go, & that this box could do it.
I believe the standard hr16 (& this may have changed= on the sr16 or even the hr16b) had some quirks in it's voice allocation- t= he buttons were freely assignable but the ones marked open hat & closed= hat were mutually exclusive. I think there was some limit on how many of t= he perc buttons would fire at once, but it was capable of some mad polyphon= y with tuned triangles.

there was a demo pattern that used this effect to play a = little tune, which has certainly ended up in one of our tracks with only mi= nor alterations.

& I was just about to hand it over to my guitarist to= o....
my favourite trick on the hr16 was layering sounds- some= times as many as 10- panned & tuned this way & that, & all trig= gered by the same midi-note. blam!

I like the way you can set the length of the patterns to = be anything you want, & switch the quant right off too. I have a magazi= ne interview with one of it's designers somewhere- I think marcus ryle was = involved too. good machine.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C47620.AB1E7EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 10:00:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UDw7k21649; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040730135735.75912.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c475e9$4eb17920$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I definitely follow this policy now. :( The (likely) stolen package was ordered before our department moved to another building. I will probably be more adamant about handling instructions in my future orders - screw up the delivery and I will take my business elsewhere. It's too bad that some merchants use only UPS. Paolo --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > My lesson learned was to ALWAYS have important > things shipped to where I > work. If it's big, I can always bring my car the > following day. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 10:05:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UDxa323578; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040730135908.17134.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3AB22F60-E17F-11D8-BAF8-0030657BB2D6@adobe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the case of Sweetwater, you CAN avoid Fedex Ground, if you are willing to give up the "free shipping" special that they have on much of their merchandise. Paolo --- Tom Attix wrote: > I would, if possible, avoid FedEx Ground (as opposed > to regular FedEx). > From what I was told by phone support, they will > attempt delivery 3 > times and then they return it to sender, they also > will not hold for > pick up. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 10:06:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UE5kP26116; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040730140511.91938.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything involving UPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a601c475c1$c5a0bc80$885bd618@knology.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just goes to show you - I learned that one needs to give UPS explicit delivery instructions. For example: "LEAVE THE PACKAGE ON MY FRONT DOOR" or "DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT LEAVE PACKAGE AT DOOR". They may still ignore them or otherwise screw up, but at least you did all that you could. I now realize you have to treat UPS people like the "mentally challenged" - can't assume anything about their common sense. I remember having to write explicit documentation like: 1. Make sure your computer is on. If it is not on, turn it on. If it doesn't turn on, make sure it is plugged in. 2. Insert disc into drive 3. Look for the icon that says "Install" etc. Paolo --- Paul wrote: > Heck, at my home in Pittsburgh, I'd be pissed if UPS > DIDN'T leave the > package on my front door. 'Course, my neighborhood > is off the beaten path > and stuff is pretty safe being dropped off. > > By the same token, in Georgia where I'm working, I > was expecting an amp for > delivery. UPS came and didn't even knock but left a > message on my door. That > meatball ended up dropping off my amp at my > apartment's office where I had > to schlep the over 100 lb box to my truck. > > UPS has left envelopes on my front door in Georgia > that contained checks in > substantial amounts. Go figure. > > Pablo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hoby Ebert" > To: "LoopersDelightlist" > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything > involving UPS > > > > I order the large majority of my stuff from > Sweetwater, and any time there > > was some doubt as to my being home to take > delivery (Sweetwater always > > requires a signature at the receiving end), my > "Sales Engineer" would put > > the local FedEx depot as the delivery address and > they would hold it at > the > > depot and I could pick up my package there. Always > worked flawlessly. > > > > Stuff like that is why I have always found > Sweetwater's sometimes slightly > > higher prices very worth it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Attix [mailto:tattix@adobe.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:49 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Lesson Learned: Ordering Anything > involving UPS > > > > > > I would, if possible, avoid FedEx Ground (as > opposed to regular FedEx). > > From what I was told by phone support, they will > attempt delivery 3 > > times and then they return it to sender, they also > will not hold for > > pick up. > > > > On Jul 29, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > > Hmm. I guess one needs to figure out how to have > stuff labeled as being > > alcohol and hence requiring an adult signature. > UPS never automatically > > leaves the wine club shipments at the door. > > > > I had FedEx Ground deliver something to someone > only to have the > > tracking information report that it was signed for > by S. IDEDOOR. Since > > the recipient had had to leave town unexpectedly, > it sat for quite a > > while. > > > > I've also heard reports that FedEx has a policy of > not paying insurance > > claims -- or at least of making it very difficult > to collect. I work > > with someone who sold via eBay some camera > equipment to someone in > > Spain, shipped it FedEx, and had the buyer report > that the box arrived > > empty. FedEx eventually coughed up the insurance > money, but it took > > some arm twisting. > > > > That being said, I still tend to go with FedEx > Ground since I haven't > > found anything I prefer. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 11:25:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UFOBT17259; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:57:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some hate the question, but as Rick points out, times change and it has to be reconsidered... >Tom wrote: >"I assume you're using OS 9 or some such? I keep my OS/X laptop up >for weeks without any problems. But I don't do much digital audio on it." > >No, I"m running OS X which is really stable. yes, the OS hardly ever crashes. only the apps sometimes do :-( how about the apps on XP? >I've just had less crashes with my PC. >I have to say, in fairness, that I am running an 867 mghz processor in the >12" laptop so it is not nearly state of the art. speed is reasonable and certainly not the cause. I suspect though that RAM could be little... >If I had to desert island a decision personally, I would have to go with >the PC due to it and it's peripherals inexpensiveness and the proprietary >software that is available for it but it would be a really difficult choice >because the Mac world is so cool >(and the visuals of the Mac are exquisite I think). rather strong arguments are that Logic is not updated for PC quite some plugins are not available for Mac there is a Nuendo crack for PC but not for Mac... seems that latency is about equal... is it? I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC for stage and leave my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its usually a hassle to keep switching things if you have only one computer, so the PC I would only use for playing, hoping that it would be ready for it at all times... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 13:01:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UH0bx08448; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:00:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcR2SZBeeZ4t9MUAQ3iMM9LHaBYYmAAC6JNQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20040730170016.FEEE11386.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Matthias Grob wrote in response to: >No, I"m running OS X which is really stable. yes, the OS hardly ever crashes. only the apps sometimes do :-( how about the apps on XP? ----->I have started using Sonar 3 for XP as my sequencer on my laptop live on gigs. I've been using Cakewalk for a decade. I am using the playlist and Sonar has a habit of crashing if I try to stop playback too quickly after a song has started. He also wrote: I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC for stage and leave my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its usually a hassle to keep switching things if you have only one computer, so the PC I would only use for playing, hoping that it would be ready for it at all times... ------->I had problems with the laptop playing back without rhythmic accuracy--"hiccups"! I had the drive reformatted, have avoided installing anything but music apps, and have had no problems with the system I have never owned a Mac, BTW. Good luck to Nemo! Gary "Relay" Lehmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 14:20:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UIIbs21605; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410A90DE.4060408@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:18:06 -0400 From: Jesse Ray Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031030 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the good old Mac/PC question (latency) References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7992a8f82abbd00588a18fb8e9aa20be89350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.197.132 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Matthias' question about Mac vs. PC latency: I get 2.5ms latency on a Pentium 4 2.4GHz PC laptop with Sonar 3.0 XL and a MOTU 828mkII using ASIO drivers. It's fast enough to use the PC as a realtime effects processor. I can't recommend the 828mkII highly enough. It's great. -J > seems that latency is about equal... is it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 14:48:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UIkrK29263; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:46:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:46:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.106.244.116] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Drum Machine Solutions Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:46:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2004 18:46:37.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B4D9B30:01C47665] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DR-660 I have is one of those ones that allows you to tune drum sounds microtonally - 10 microtones between each note. Also, each of the 32 "drum kits" has an A set and a B set, so if you're on the "Jazz" kit, the A set is standard jazz drum sounds, and the b set is things like congos and bongos, using the same pads. Then you can set it on "A&B", which gives you both sounds for that pad when you strike it. If reprogram both sets, you can get some nice multilayered sounds, octave sounds, gamelan sounds, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 15:22:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UJJJ907449; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:19:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:19:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c4766a$41b66560$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Reshure + Broomer Vs. Consumer Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:20:21 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Aug. 3rd - Reshure & Broomer Vs. Consumer "Erik Kokkonen makes up the one man Toronto based experimental project known as Reshure. His live performance can be loosely described by the following equation: Basic Electronic Equipment (computer + keyboard) + Ukulele + Harmonica + Toy Accordion + Soft and expressive gravely vocals (ouch that voice must hurt) + Programmed elements + Live elements + Rumbling earthquake loop experiments + [(1 funny story) x (5 sad ones)] + Erik does a stupid dance (and makes himself look like a fool) + [Industrial(?) x Folk(?)] + Passion x 1 fake beard = good times at the PiNG. * Note: And then 2 monsters with giant heads will appear with enormous silvery tears pouring forth from their empty eye sockets. - EK" http://www.besonic.com/reshure Broomer Vs. Consumer is a duo that constructs soundscapes centred in an amalgamation of experimental and folk styles, through one's real-time electronic manipulation of the other's guitar playing. The result is a constantly evolving and hypnotic combination of drones and improvised melodies. Between Sets CD - "Sanctuary of Dreams" by Numina This is the latest CD from prolific ambient artist Jesse Solo (aka Numina) from Portland Oregon, renowned for his lush, deep soundspaces. www.numinamusic.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 10th - Io http://www.eleguarecords.com Between Sets CD - "feel good lost" by Broken Social Scene http://www.arts-crafts.ca/bss/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Seed" by Ma Ja Le and James Johnson Fans of both James Johnson's and Ma Ja Le's work will no doubt be thrilled by this release, a musical meeting of minds that produces a fantastic work of beauty and magic. Subtle textures and oblique movement permeate throughout the disc creating a shimmering cocoon that enshrouds the listener, drawing them deeper into an otherworldly state of being. Light percussion passes through leaving ripples and vapor trails behind in their wake. A passing flute, or is it something more exotic? Other sounds float by, caressing you as you drift further and further away from the physical world and into this new land of wonder. A sheer delight from start to end. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 15:54:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6UJrek16895; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <193.2c685b1f.2e3c0124@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:53:08 EDT Subject: Re: the good old Mac/PC question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_193.2c685b1f.2e3c0124_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <0LpezD.A.dGE.zcqCBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_193.2c685b1f.2e3c0124_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/04 1:00:51 PM, hqr@cox.net writes: > Good luck to Nemo! > you better believe it!.....:).....thanks gary.....michael --part1_193.2c685b1f.2e3c0124_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/30/04 1:00:51 PM, hqr@cox.net writes:


Good luck to Nemo!


you better believe it!.....:).....thanks gary.....michael --part1_193.2c685b1f.2e3c0124_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 17:59:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6ULvGU25701; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c47680$2424cee0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: RE: Drum Machine Solutions-HR16 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:57:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought an HR 16 when it first came out. I upgrade to the SR 16 when it was released but was \ chagrined that they took the radical tuning capabilities out of the more sophisticated newer machine. I used to love playing with every note triggering and playing the pitch in real time. I wish I still owned one of those (which is ironic because i have a collection of about 20 pre-digital drum machines). The HR 16b had really cheesy electronic sounds but you could really tweak them with the tuning capabilities. They can be found really cheaply occasionally these days. My wife in her project Lackadaisy (which I learned how to play electric bass to record the CD and play out) would borrow one of my really primitive old Roland, Wurlizter or Korg drum boxes and put it through a series of analogue stomp box pedals to create a beautiful and idiosyncratic drum beat. We did one particularly sweet piece where she ran a 'prepared' drum machine while I played a very simple tabla part as augmentation. She's amazing! She can take the simplest stomp box effects pedal, screw around with it and an hour later I'll hear some really cool effect coming out of her room that I"ve never heard before. She was so good at 'sound design' with analogue pedals that I started buying them for her whenever I'd find them cheap and used at the flea market. LOL, we have such a collection of bad analogue stomp box pedals now. It's been a complex year but we still have intention to start our abstract pop project Vermin Circus this year. I'm really looking forward to what she comes up with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 22:27:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6V2Qji28588; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: STI-CF/512 cards online/cheap Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47684.74E805A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:26:27 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47684.74E805A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Repeater-heads, this may be old hat but I just found (and ordered) new STI-CF/512 512MB SimpleTec flash for $99.95 at PcConnection.com. I looked around at online retailers, eBay, etc. These guys beat everyone. Even if you picked overnight shipping it would still come in $10-15 under what almost everyone else wants. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47684.74E805A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Repeater-heads, this may be old hat but I just found (and = ordered) new STI-CF/512 512MB SimpleTec flash for $99.95 at = PcConnection.com.

 

I looked around at online retailers, eBay, etc.  These guys beat everyone.  Even if you picked overnight = shipping it would still come in $10-15 under what almost everyone else = wants.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C47684.74E805A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 22:58:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6V2vrJ09939; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:57:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:57:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, That sounds like a great idea. I've been using/programming Windows for years. For audio I've used Win2K and now WinXP and very satisfied. The OS has come a long way from the Win9x days. WinXP is really WinNT++. I get really low latency. Here's some very trivial geek trivia. :) Three or four years ago some guys in the keyboard dept of Bill's Music here in MD laughed when I said I was using a PC with (then) Cakewalk 9 (now SONOR 3.x). They were doing their Beavis and Butthead "Hehehehe, yea... hehehe, like, 40ms latency... hehehe... that sucks." I said, "Nope. 2.5-4.5ms." That was using a Turtle Beach Multisound Pinnacle... with its kick-ass Kurzweil VAST synth engine ... yea baby!! Deep stuff. I was running a 500MHz Athlon, 256MB RAM, Win2K, Multisound Pinnacle card (AT card, but had what they called "Hurricane" architecture for audio acceleration). I still only use Athlon CPUs in my PCs. Next desktop for me will be G5 whenever I get around to it (not soon). Next notebook is either TabletPC or a G4, prolly G4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 30 23:16:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6V3FUg20733; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:15:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d04073020143c55b686@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:14:59 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Cheap-o Lap-Steel at MF hits $69 Again In-Reply-To: <143.2e92a42e.2e31a1ad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <143.2e92a42e.2e31a1ad@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6V3F6h20465 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More musician's friend pricing games: The "hot buys" sale insert they send with boxed orders has the artisan ea-1 for $59.99, catalog number 518800, source code 408T. On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:03:09 EDT, arsocarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi there, > > For those who might care, the price of that cheap-o Artisan > EA-1 lap steel guitar has just hit $69.99 again at Musicians Fiend. > > It fluctuates between $99.99 and $69.99 periodically so the > deal is not always the same from day to day. Who knows why. > > I just ordered myself a metallic black one and got a 5 percent > discount because of my ASCAP membership on top of it. > Cool beans! > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 10:46:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VEgjw05822; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <588ce11d04073020143c55b686@mail.gmail.com> References: <143.2e92a42e.2e31a1ad@aol.com> <588ce11d04073020143c55b686@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:38:59 -0700 To: simart@null.net, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Cheap-o Lap-Steel at MF hits $69 Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-tuEuC.A.XaB.V_6CBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:14 PM -0700 7/30/04, Art Simon wrote: >More musician's friend pricing games: The "hot buys" sale insert they >send with boxed orders has the artisan ea-1 for $59.99, catalog number >518800, source code 408T. The Web site lists it at $69.99. Same catalog number. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 14:42:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VIeHq06427; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:40:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:40:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200407311839.i6VIdoh06322@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:39:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcR2SZBeeZ4t9MUAQ3iMM9LHaBYYmAAC6JNQADXINAA= In-Reply-To: <20040730170016.FEEE11386.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I personally think that it works out about the same if you have good PC hardware (Audio Card & Base System) it works out about the same performance wise. Cheap PC's end up being hit and miss where performance is concerned so, if you spend about the same amount on your hardware as a Mac's hardware you can end up with a decent audio system. The biggest problem with PC's is you end up having too many choices and some aren't such good choices. My solution is to use only upgraded versions of Dell Business PC's like the Optiplex's I add memory cause I like having it as a margin (it's too easy to use it up or find you need more memory later) I like a Gig of Ram right now but 512 might work for most. It ends up not costing you s;ightly less in hardware but, you can save some cost with software and lose some other software options *shrug* -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the good old Mac/PC question -----Original Message----- Matthias Grob wrote in response to: >No, I"m running OS X which is really stable. yes, the OS hardly ever crashes. only the apps sometimes do :-( how about the apps on XP? ----->I have started using Sonar 3 for XP as my sequencer on my laptop ----->live on gigs. I've been using Cakewalk for a decade. I am using the playlist and Sonar has a habit of crashing if I try to stop playback too quickly after a song has started. He also wrote: I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC for stage and leave my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its usually a hassle to keep switching things if you have only one computer, so the PC I would only use for playing, hoping that it would be ready for it at all times... ------->I had problems with the laptop playing back without rhythmic accuracy--"hiccups"! I had the drive reformatted, have avoided installing anything but music apps, and have had no problems with the system I have never owned a Mac, BTW. Good luck to Nemo! Gary "Relay" Lehmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 15:58:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VJtAu18282; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:53:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC for stage and leave >my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its usually a hassle to >keep switching things if you have only one computer, so the PC I >would only use for playing, hoping that it would be ready for it at >all times... if you do this, you'll get great results if you install the minimal software you can, NEVER run Explorer or Outlook (promise me this!) or even never attach it to the net at all except to run the Windows update packages. I did this more or less and my rather slow cheap PC has continued to run smoothly for over a year with no maintenance. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 17:45:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VLhYN00623; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:43:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c47747$5b9dd430$0401000a@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i6VLhHh00590 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, for all of you loopers in the NY area, Last minute gig spam: I am performing using my crazy Kyma looping rig tonight (7/31) at Laila Lounge, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Entertainment by: Sarth Calhoun (live electronic alchemy) with Leah Coloff (cello/vocals) and Andrew Green (guitar, bass) additional processing courtesy of Gregory Kage ... and some live video and stuff. Details: 10 pm at Laila Lounge  113 N 7th St (b/w Wythe and Berry) Brooklyn, NY 11211 Phone: (718) 486-6791 http://www.lailalounge.com/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 18:11:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VM8iT04466; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:08:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:08:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000801c47747$5b9dd430$0401000a@mobilegrfx> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.196.5.146] at Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:08:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, wish I lived closer! I've been drooling over the Kyma plus Looper's Construction Kit since reading up on it recently. Are you using the LCK too? Not that it matters, cuz Kyma looks sa-weet anyway. Well, have fun and hope you bring down the house. -----Original Message----- From: sarth [mailto:sarth@sarth.net] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Hey, for all of you loopers in the NY area, Last minute gig spam: I am performing using my crazy Kyma looping rig tonight (7/31) at Laila Lounge, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Entertainment by: Sarth Calhoun (live electronic alchemy) with Leah Coloff (cello/vocals) and Andrew Green (guitar, bass) additional processing courtesy of Gregory Kage ... and some live video and stuff. Details: 10 pm at Laila Lounge 113 N 7th St (b/w Wythe and Berry) Brooklyn, NY 11211 Phone: (718) 486-6791 http://www.lailalounge.com/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 19:33:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VNWNc18350; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c47747$5b9dd430$0401000a@mobilegrfx> References: <000801c47747$5b9dd430$0401000a@mobilegrfx> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:31:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Laila Lounge, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. that's my neighborhood bar! I'm sitting a block away! darn, darn, darn -- we are committed to be elsewhere at 9:15. tell me in advance next time and I'll show up and bring friends... /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 19:38:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VNbEW19087; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040731233701.6300.qmail@web52304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Begood Subject: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a volume pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1355663921-1091317021=:4165" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1355663921-1091317021=:4165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had my FCB 1010 for a few months now and have finally got it progammed thanks to searching the archives of this group. I have yet to figure out how to make one of the pedals to work as my feedback control....any advice? thanks greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1355663921-1091317021=:4165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've had my FCB 1010 for a few months now and have finally got it progammed thanks to searching the archives of this group.  I have yet to figure out how to make one of the pedals to work as my feedback control....any advice?
 
thanks
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1355663921-1091317021=:4165-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 19:40:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VNci119192; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.78.133.90] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:38:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2004 23:38:26.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[79F42500:01C47757] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We have a few loopers in Billyberg it seems.. Let's do show or something soon. Peace Lou >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Last minute NYC gig SPAM >Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:31:02 -0400 > >>Laila Lounge, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. > >that's my neighborhood bar! I'm sitting a block away! > >darn, darn, darn -- we are committed to be elsewhere at 9:15. tell me in >advance next time and I'll show up and bring friends... > > /t >-- > >http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 19:56:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6VNsO121523; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <004201c4752e$f391f1b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D223176-E34D-11D8-A5D6-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: the good old Mac/PC question (was: looping observation) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:58:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <51O9GD.A.yPF.nEDDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's your ad for Macintosh. I've had a G4 running since I got it using Explorer, Word, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Mail, Safari, iPhoto as well as my music apps Digital Performer 4 and Peak. They all seem to run perfectly (Illustrator sometimes quits, but I'm sure that's it's own fault) Inversely, my IS dept. at work confirms that the Dell boxes running XP usually get slicked at least every 6 months when they start running wonky. Most people I work with run Explorer, Outlook and MS office and not much else. Friend's complaints seem to confirm this. What's up with Windows and the need for reinstalling all the time? Now that OS10.3 auto defrags in the background I don't even run a defrag utility. Mark On Jul 31, 2004, at 12:53 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap PC for stage and leave >> my loved Mac safely at home. Also because its usually a hassle to >> keep switching things if you have only one computer, so the PC I >> would only use for playing, hoping that it would be ready for it at >> all times... > > if you do this, you'll get great results if you install the minimal > software you can, NEVER run Explorer or Outlook (promise me this!) or > even never attach it to the net at all except to run the Windows > update packages. I did this more or less and my rather slow cheap PC > has continued to run smoothly for over a year with no maintenance. > > /t > -- > > http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing > list > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 20:09:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i7108FN25282; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c4775b$a063c980$6601a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040731233701.6300.qmail@web52304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a volume pedal? Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:08:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C47720.F30A8BF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <--fvqD.A.tKG.pRDDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C47720.F30A8BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For each pedal on the FCB 1010 that you use for the Echoplex, you'll = have to program the expression pedal(s) for that pedal. It will do the = note on/off but while it's selected, it will also allow the expression = pedal to be used to send the desired controller settings. You just = program the expression pedal(s) to use the controller number that = controls feedback ( and optionally output volume ). I think you can set = which controller number this is in the Echoplex params panel. I think 6 = and 7 are feedback and volumn by default. Sorry I'm so vague but I don't have my rig here so I can't give you = specific instructions.=20 - Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Johnny Begood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a = volume pedal?=20 I've had my FCB 1010 for a few months now and have finally got it = progammed thanks to searching the archives of this group. I have yet to = figure out how to make one of the pedals to work as my feedback = control....any advice? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C47720.F30A8BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For each pedal on the FCB 1010 that you = use for the=20 Echoplex, you'll have to program the expression pedal(s) for that pedal. = It will=20 do the note on/off but while it's selected, it will also allow the = expression=20 pedal to be used to send the desired controller settings. You just = program the=20 expression pedal(s) to use the controller number that controls feedback = ( and=20 optionally output volume ). I think you can set which controller number = this is=20 in the Echoplex params panel. I think 6 and 7 are feedback and volumn by = default.
 
Sorry I'm so vague but I don't have my = rig here so=20 I can't give you specific instructions.
 
- Dave
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 = 4:37=20 PM
Subject: FCB1010 = Pedal/Echoplex.....can I=20 program feedback option to a volume pedal?

I've had my FCB 1010 for a few months now and have finally got it = progammed thanks to searching the archives of this group.  I have = yet to=20 figure out how to make one of the pedals to work as my feedback = control....any=20 advice?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C47720.F30A8BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 20:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i710IwK26375; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:18:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:18:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Last minute NYC gig SPAM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >We have a few loopers in Billyberg it seems.. Let's do show or something soon. I'd love to resurrect open loop! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 31 21:46:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i711jGT06337; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040801013820.10656.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Begood Subject: Re: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a volume pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c4775b$a063c980$6601a8c0@watercooled> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-798114769-1091324300=:9996" Resent-Message-ID: <5_AZhD.A.uiB.jsEDBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-798114769-1091324300=:9996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David, I really appreciate your help with this. When you have a moment and your by your gear some more specific directions would be awesome. I know that on the midi pedal 8 and 9 have something to do with the pedals. It would be cool to use one pedal as the output volume on the other as feedback. I'm going to see if I can figure out anything now. I also got some advice from Andre Lafosse so we will see what happens. I'm completely clueless with this midi stuff. thanks greg "David J. Grossman" wrote: For each pedal on the FCB 1010 that you use for the Echoplex, you'll have to program the expression pedal(s) for that pedal. It will do the note on/off but while it's selected, it will also allow the expression pedal to be used to send the desired controller settings. You just program the expression pedal(s) to use the controller number that controls feedback ( and optionally output volume ). I think you can set which controller number this is in the Echoplex params panel. I think 6 and 7 are feedback and volumn by default. Sorry I'm so vague but I don't have my rig here so I can't give you specific instructions. - Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Begood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a volume pedal? I've had my FCB 1010 for a few months now and have finally got it progammed thanks to searching the archives of this group. I have yet to figure out how to make one of the pedals to work as my feedback control....any advice? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --0-798114769-1091324300=:9996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
David,
 
I really appreciate your help with this.  When you have a moment and your by your gear some more specific directions would be awesome.  I know that on the midi pedal 8 and 9 have something to do with the pedals.  It would be cool to use one pedal as the output volume on the other as feedback.  I'm going to see if I can figure out anything now.  I also got some advice from Andre Lafosse so we will see what happens.  I'm completely clueless with this midi stuff.
 
thanks
 
greg

"David J. Grossman" <dave@unpronounceable.com> wrote:
For each pedal on the FCB 1010 that you use for the Echoplex, you'll have to program the expression pedal(s) for that pedal. It will do the note on/off but while it's selected, it will also allow the expression pedal to be used to send the desired controller settings. You just program the expression pedal(s) to use the controller number that controls feedback ( and optionally output volume ). I think you can set which controller number this is in the Echoplex params panel. I think 6 and 7 are feedback and volumn by default.
 
Sorry I'm so vague but I don't have my rig here so I can't give you specific instructions.
 
- Dave
 
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Subject: FCB1010 Pedal/Echoplex.....can I program feedback option to a volume pedal?

I've had my FCB 1010 for a few months now and have finally got it progammed thanks to searching the archives of this group.  I have yet to figure out how to make one of the pedals to work as my feedback control....any advice?
 

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