From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 11:30:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i51FSbu01541; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:28:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040519162019.NUWN3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> References: <20040519162019.NUWN3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:30:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Undo Multiply Loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.92622, Antispam-Data: 2004.5.31.102126 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers-- I'm fairly new to the EDP (user for 2 months now) and have a question about undoing an overdub done in MULTIPLY mode. Every once in a while, I'll press Undo on the overdubbed loops, and there will be a tiny glitch of sound at the head of Loop #1 from the overdub that won't go away. I read in the manual that this could happen if the memory is full, but this has happened to me even when the loops are very short. And it's not even the full length of a loop, just a tiny blip of an artifact-- Has anyone experienced this before? I'm using a Beige EDP with 3.0 software. Thanks in advance, Ritsu -- Ritsu Katsumata http://www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 17:51:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i51LoXl07146; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:50:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:50:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040601214943.39015.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Clulow Subject: building a midi loopstation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm a newcomer to the list... and hoping that I'll be able to find the right people to guide me to a good solution for what I'm wanting to do. I have an alesis d4 which at the moment is hooked up to a computer which triggers audio samples from RAM (in realtime) At its most basic level here is what I'm after. I'd like something that listens to the midi that comes from the d4, records this midi when you tell it to (via a drum pad which acts as a record button) and then plays the midi back (once you tell it to stop recording via another 'stop' drum pad ). Thus a loop has just been set up which loops from the point in time that the record pad was hit until the stop pad was hit, and continues to play the midi that was recorded between these two points until another 'stop everything' pad is hit. The main reason for this is that I could play in a drumbeat or pattern and then once I've dropped out of record mode and the loop is set up, I would be free to pick up a guitar or whatever else may be needed for a particular piece or for an ideas jam. Could anyone tell me the easiest way this could be done? I've been experimenting with programs like Ableton Live and fruity loops to see if I can get a similar kind of looping happening that you would get if using a Boss loopstation - and I'm told that Ableton live does this very well with audio but not with midi. Here's the problem. I could just buy something like a loopstation but the audio samples from an alesis d4 just aren't the business anymore (at least for me) I could get a hardware sampler like an akai and feed that into a Boss loopstation, but that might be getting a bit too expensive and if I could do the same with a good spec laptop then I'd be happy with that option if I could find the software I need, and or the know-how to use it. One thing I'm trying to avoid is having to play to a click track, and many software midi programs are all about click tracks (with good reason) I'm just looking for a good option to use in a live situation in an experimental way - and in my opinion as soon as you have to play along to a click there's a little bit of creativity lost somewhere there... Thanks to anyone that can help, please ask for further decription if I've sounded confusing in some areas... I'd just really like to make this work and I just don't have the experience needed yet... any helful suggestions and ideas would be most welcome, and or abuse if this is just a stupid idea. thanks heaps - Tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 19:48:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i51NlZn30952; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040601214943.39015.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601214943.39015.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:46:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: building a midi loopstation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:49 PM -0700 6/1/04, Tim Clulow wrote: >I'd like something that listens to the midi that comes from the d4, >records this midi when you tell it to...and then plays the midi back > >Could anyone tell me the easiest way this could be >done? Max. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 20:15:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i520F3r04894; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:16:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C44815.63645790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C44815.63645790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I had this idea the other night to take a video signal and run it = through some audio processors, but I didn't know if the signal would = damage devices meant to process guitar level signals. =20 So I got the most disposable pedal I had (Boss Distortion) and ran the = composite video out of my DVD player into it, then out of it into the = TV. =20 This resulted in a blank screen. =20 Very exciting. =20 If it would have been a flanger or a chorus would it have made any = difference, or are the signals so completely different in nature that = nothing is going to come out of it? =20 If I would have ended the connection by plugging the out of the = distortion pedal into a speaker instead of a TV, would I have gotten a = sound? I dare not go futher until I know whether I'm going to destroy = my effects processors. =20 Please advise, o wise list subscribers. -J ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C44815.63645790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So I had this idea the other night to = take a video=20 signal and run it through some audio processors, but I didn't know if = the signal=20 would damage devices meant to process guitar level signals.  =
 
So I got the most disposable pedal I = had (Boss=20 Distortion) and ran the composite video out of my DVD player into it, = then out=20 of it into the TV. 
 
This resulted in a blank screen. =20
 
Very exciting. 
 
If it would have been a flanger or a = chorus would=20 it have made any difference, or are the signals so completely different = in=20 nature that nothing is going to come out of it? 
 
If I would have ended the connection by = plugging=20 the out of the distortion pedal into a speaker instead of a TV, would I = have=20 gotten a sound?  I dare not go futher until I know whether I'm = going to=20 destroy my effects processors. 
 
Please advise, o wise list=20 subscribers.
 
-J
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C44815.63645790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 21:33:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i521WFp19376; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> References: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:30:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i521Uth19057 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 1, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > So I had this idea the other night to take a video signal and run it > through some audio processors, but I didn't know if the signal would > damage devices meant to process guitar level signals.  i don't think you can damage anything doing this. however, i am definitely inexperienced with video synthesis. i would recommend starting here: http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vsynths.htm It's a good starting point for learning about the black art of video synthesis, something which scares me so much i stay the hell away from it. i restrict myself to "howl-round" and other video feedback experiments (see http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/stg_santa_fe.mov for an example of my feeble video work. i had the nerve to use that at Santa Fe's Center for Contemporary Art, at a show that could have had Jim Crutchfield at it. that would have been like me taking my Yamaha PSR47 and DOD DFX94 to Robert Fripp's house to "show him my stuff".) pay close attention to the part about the Vasulkas. they used to have a modular video synthesiser which "mated" with Subotnick's Buchla in some exciting private event. i heard about it from a friend, i don't know if there are any fruits of that particular event. i used to work at a television station, and tried to pay attention to the techs when they were maintaining the video stuff. something that's important to keep in mind about video signals is that they are very similar to audio signals, but at a much higher frequency range. also, delay has an interesting effect on video. if two video signals are out of phase with one another they will appear separately as OK, but when you mix them in a vision mixer they change colour. so microsecond (mabye picosecond?) delays are used in television to time correct different sources (which even blackburst won't totally correct for). for looping content, i'll point out that Jim Coker uses a program called Isadora to do video looping with feedback processing. it's real freaky. hopefully he'll get some examples up on his site soon. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 22:17:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i522FQP31582; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:15:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:15:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c44860$ff073820$1a00a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: OT: Can someone recommend a VCR with level meters and adjustable recording gain? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:18:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C44826.52280C90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C44826.52280C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have also gotten interested in the idea of bouncing audio to Hi-Fi VHS = tape since it is supposed to have pretty good signal to noise ratio and = might warm things up a little. So I was hoping to find a VCR that has = level meters for the audio inputs with adjustable gain controls = (preferably per channel). Does anybody have a machine like this? What = is the make and model number? Wanna sell it? -J ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C44826.52280C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have also gotten interested in the = idea of=20 bouncing audio to Hi-Fi VHS tape since it is supposed to have pretty = good signal=20 to noise ratio and might warm things up a little.  So I was hoping = to find=20 a VCR that has level meters for the audio inputs with adjustable gain=20 controls (preferably per channel).  Does anybody have a = machine like=20 this?  What is the make and model number?  Wanna sell = it?
 
-J
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C44826.52280C90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 1 22:26:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i522QOd02757; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c44862$8c84e110$1a00a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:29:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? >something that's >important to keep in mind about video signals is that they are very >similar to audio signals, but at a much higher frequency range. So, after a quick google I see that video signals are in the mHz range. How would one "transpose" them down into kHz to be captured by a DAW recording at 96kHz, or even 44.1kHz? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 00:58:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i524vTn12339; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040601232324.04dad350@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:52:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? In-Reply-To: <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:30 PM 6/1/2004, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >i used to work at a television station, and tried to pay attention to the >techs when they were maintaining the video stuff. something that's >important to keep in mind about video signals is that they are very >similar to audio signals, but at a much higher frequency range. Ditto: another ex-Radio/Television major here, as well as having worked in a few TV stations myself. Wish I'd paid more attention in my video engineering classes, however... ;) Back in the 80's, we actually tried to do a very similar thing -- record video signal to hard disk and edit/mutilate it -- after Digidesign first released Sound Tools on the Atari ST (later to become Pro Tools, and to be ported over to Mac when the bastards left all of us Atari users stranded high-&-dry; bitter still? who, me...?). To be fair, we baffled the hell out of the Digidesign Support techs for about two weeks until we were able to collect some research from them. What we were finally told (and all standard disclaimers apply) was that the problem was not only the frequency range, but also the bias of the signal. Audio waveforms, as we all know, usually start at a zero crossing then go positive (compression) for a length of time before falling, crossing zero and going negative (rarefaction). They then return to the zero crossing before another cycle. Video, on the other hand, behaves much more like a digital signal: instead of zero being the "midpoint" of the wave's vertical axis, zero is the floor; the signal starts moving positive, moves up and down, then falls back to zero before going positive again. Thus, audio is a bi-polar signal, while video is mono-polar. Or at least that's the answer we finally got back from Digidesign. Now, it wasn't unheard of for those guys to lie through their teeth just to get rid of us. In fact, I'm kind of interested to hear from others with more video experience whether that explanation is really the straight dope. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 02:17:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i526HGn02078; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:19:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i526G8h01974 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, this guy was my video professor in college! http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/sherman/sherman.htm very cool guy. Video processing via audio gear? Won't happen. Many have tried. One word: Sync. Fuck that up and you no longer have video. However, there are cool software programs out there as well as some cool hardware that will do interesting stuff. Try a google of "live video effects" and check out this: http://www.vjcentral.com/hardware/show/8205 Mark On Jun 1, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jun 1, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> So I had this idea the other night to take a video signal and run it >> through some audio processors, but I didn't know if the signal would >> damage devices meant to process guitar level signals.  > > i don't think you can damage anything doing this. however, i am > definitely inexperienced with video synthesis. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 02:54:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i526rUS06710; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:53:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:53:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040601232324.04dad350@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:57:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 06:53:09.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[43A92EE0:01C4486E] Resent-Message-ID: <0pWZXB.A.wlB.blXvAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ready for some geak-a-zoid talk? most audio systems are designed for frequencies not to excede 22 KHz - based on human hearing. A standard NTSC (black and white) signal has a length of 63.5microseconds (15.7KHz). Every one of those signals has enough information to generate anywhere around 250,000 pixels worth of image data. If you recorded this on a digital recorder at 96KHz you'd be able to sample about 6 times per waveform. So this digital recorder is about 50,000 times too slow to accurately record a basic black and white video signal. Then you gotta think about input filtering - audio gear isn't built for those high frequencies and it'll just filter out anything about 20KHz most of the time anyway - so even if you could sample that fast there'd be nothing to sample.. A color signal is around 250 times faster than a black and white signal (3.58MHz) so you're around 12,000,000 times too slow to record that. The bottom line is that here's no way anyone is going to record or process video on audio gear. nice idea though... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 11:56:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i52Fsso06262; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:54:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Lexicon PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <68E301A2-B0E4-11D8-859E-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <14D88840-B4AD-11D8-96E6-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <7S8HR.A.kfB.jgfvAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoops, should have been more specific: hardware modeler indeed, the psp plugin is way cool. b On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 04:20 PM, msottilaro wrote: > In fact, there is: > > http://www.pspaudioware.com/start/psp42.html > > > On May 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > >> lucky you! the 42 is an awesome looping tool - just >> ask david torn. while low on flexiblity - no crazy stuff >> like multiple tracks, midi or storing loops here - it more >> than makes up for it with great sound. i love grabbing a >> sound and then cranking the speed way down for >> that basement rumble - try that with a dl-4. just the >> ability to do speed ups or slow downs - is there a >> modeler that can do that? > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 17:24:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i52LNSu01036; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040602212131.45276.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: pick-ups boosters? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1143456200-1086211291=:42014" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1143456200-1086211291=:42014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A question: What is this thing called a pick-ups booster? Looks like a smaller fx pedal, plugs in same way- supposed to greatly expand guitar pick-ups' capacities somehow...true or false?What does it do? Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1143456200-1086211291=:42014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
A question: What is this thing called a pick-ups booster? Looks like a smaller
fx pedal, plugs in same way- supposed to greatly expand guitar pick-ups' capacities
somehow...true or false?What does it do?
 
Monica

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Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1143456200-1086211291=:42014-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 17:41:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i52LeXp03805; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40BE4912.6030608@biink.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:39:30 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pick-ups boosters? References: <20040602212131.45276.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040602212131.45276.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Monica wrote: > A question: What is this thing called a pick-ups booster? Looks like a > smaller > fx pedal, plugs in same way- supposed to greatly expand guitar > pick-ups' capacities > somehow...true or false?What does it do? > > Monica Hey Monica, Who makes it? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 18:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i52MM5K10677; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040602222111.88363.qmail@web50901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: pick-ups booster To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1823008856-1086214871=:85471" Resent-Message-ID: <-WEFN.A.ZlC.cLlvAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1823008856-1086214871=:85471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here it is...the Seymour Duncan pick-ups booster: musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040602145146216183185077661831g=home/search/detail//base_id/99454 If this doesn't work, put "pick-ups booster" in MF search engine... What's the deal on this thing? Thanks... Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1823008856-1086214871=:85471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Here it is...the Seymour Duncan pick-ups booster:
 
musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040602145146216183185077661831g=home/search/detail//base_id/99454
 
If this doesn't work, put "pick-ups booster" in MF search engine...
What's the deal on this thing?
Thanks...
Monica

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Messenger --0-1823008856-1086214871=:85471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 2 19:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i52NWcr20961; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:33:07 -0700 From: Tom Attix Subject: Re: pick-ups booster In-reply-to: <20040602222111.88363.qmail@web50901.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <33EF19C4-B4ED-11D8-BC41-0030657BB2D6@adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed References: <20040602222111.88363.qmail@web50901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i52NVwh20879 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like it's just a line level amplifier, a way to make the signal coming out of your guitar hotter. Non-powered pickups can be a little weak for some applications. On Jun 2, 2004, at 3:21 PM, Monica wrote: Here it is...the Seymour Duncan pick-ups booster:   musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040602145146216183185077661831g=home/ search/detail//base_id/99454   If this doesn't work, put "pick-ups booster" in MF search engine... What's the deal on this thing? Thanks... Monica Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 00:12:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i534Bdr30043; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:11:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:11:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: pick-ups boosters? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:09:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C448E5.EF950D10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040602212131.45276.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C448E5.EF950D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own a pickup booster pedal by Seymour Duncan, and it is a preamp/clean booster pedal, with enough gain ( variable from +6db to +25db), to overdrive the front end of a tube amp. I have it as the first thing my guitar goes to on my pedal board, and I leave in on and vary the level according to what guitar I'm using. I like using it as a line driver to make up for the slight lose in volume and high end one gets from running a guitar through a bunch of pedals and 30+ feet of cable. I have also used it set very high and feeding a low wattage tube amp to create a lovely and dynamic overdrive. The one feature it has that I don't use very often is the P/U resonance switch. This small slider switch on the front of the pedal allows you to select between two preset resonance filters, that in effect, can make a single coil pickup sound more like a humbucker, by lowering the resonant frequency of the signal . It actually sounds rather good, though I don't use it much as i kind of enjoy the sound of a strat being a strat, and I have an instrument with humbuckers, anyway. I have used the resonance filter when playing slide on a strat to fatten the sound and tame the "sting" a little, and I liked the result. I kind of wish I had another one to kick in and out for clean solo boosts, but I'm realy happy leaving it on, set low, and letting it boost my signal before hitting the other effects. it seems to improve signal to noise ratio, make the other effects sound better. and provide a little natural compression by driving my tube amps a little harder. Also when I switch between my axe with single coils and my axe with humbuckers I can vary the gain on the pedal to balance the two. Its a cool pedal. It also cost me alot less than a similar pedal from Fulltone or Demeter would have, and the resonance switch is unique and usefull, particularly for a tele or strat player who would like to mellow and darken their tone. Bill pretty simple-----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 2:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pick-ups boosters? A question: What is this thing called a pick-ups booster? Looks like a smaller fx pedal, plugs in same way- supposed to greatly expand guitar pick-ups' capacities somehow...true or false?What does it do? Monica ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C448E5.EF950D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 I own a pickup booster pedal by Seymour Duncan, and it is = a=20 preamp/clean booster pedal, with enough gain ( variable from +6db =  to=20 +25db), to overdrive the front end of a tube amp. I have it as the first = thing=20 my guitar goes to on my pedal board, and I leave in on = and vary=20 the level according to what guitar I'm using.  I like using it = as a=20 line driver to make up for the slight lose in volume and high end one = gets from=20 running a guitar through a bunch of pedals and 30+ feet of cable.  = I have=20 also used it set very high and feeding a low wattage tube amp to create = a lovely=20 and dynamic overdrive. The one feature it has  that I don't use = very often=20 is the P/U resonance switch. This small slider switch on the front = of the=20 pedal allows you to select between two preset resonance filters, that in = effect,=20 can make a single coil pickup sound more like a humbucker, by lowering = the=20 resonant frequency of the signal .  It actually sounds rather good, = though=20 I don't use it much as i kind of enjoy the sound of a strat being a = strat, and I=20 have an instrument with humbuckers, anyway.  I have used the = resonance=20 filter when playing slide on a strat to fatten the sound and tame the = "sting" a=20 little, and I liked the result.   I kind of wish I had another = one to=20 kick in and out for clean solo boosts, but I'm realy happy leaving it = on, =20 set low, and letting it boost my signal before hitting the other = effects. it=20 seems to improve signal to noise ratio, make the other effects sound=20 better. and provide a little natural compression by driving my tube = amps a=20 little harder. Also when I switch between my axe with single coils = and my=20 axe with humbuckers I can vary the gain on the pedal to balance the = two. =20 Its a cool pedal.  It also cost me alot less than a similar pedal = from=20 Fulltone or Demeter would have, and the resonance switch is unique and = usefull,=20 particularly for  a tele or strat player who would like to mellow = and=20 darken their tone.
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 pretty = simple-----Original Message-----
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A question: What is = this thing=20 called a pick-ups booster? Looks like a smaller
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C448E5.EF950D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 00:23:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i534MY931757; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.125] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pick-ups boosters? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:22:12 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 04:22:13.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[58B773F0:01C44922] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does the zachary-vex "super hard on" pedal (also refered to as a 'negative feedback' pedal) fall under the pick-up booster category? oh my, that little thingy made my sax sound cool. through effects and just the subtlety of things it picked-up and amplified just expanded my range tremendously. im thinking bout buying one. but then, will prob have to by a tube amp... anybody know bout this... d >From: "William Walker" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: pick-ups boosters? >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:09:47 -0700 > > I own a pickup booster pedal by Seymour Duncan, and it is a preamp/clean >booster pedal, with enough gain ( variable from +6db to +25db), to >overdrive the front end of a tube amp. I have it as the first thing my >guitar goes to on my pedal board, and I leave in on and vary the level >according to what guitar I'm using. I like using it as a line driver to >make up for the slight lose in volume and high end one gets from running a >guitar through a bunch of pedals and 30+ feet of cable. I have also used >it >set very high and feeding a low wattage tube amp to create a lovely and >dynamic overdrive. The one feature it has that I don't use very often is >the P/U resonance switch. This small slider switch on the front of the >pedal >allows you to select between two preset resonance filters, that in effect, >can make a single coil pickup sound more like a humbucker, by lowering the >resonant frequency of the signal . It actually sounds rather good, though >I >don't use it much as i kind of enjoy the sound of a strat being a strat, >and >I have an instrument with humbuckers, anyway. I have used the resonance >filter when playing slide on a strat to fatten the sound and tame the >"sting" a little, and I liked the result. I kind of wish I had another >one >to kick in and out for clean solo boosts, but I'm realy happy leaving it >on, >set low, and letting it boost my signal before hitting the other effects. >it >seems to improve signal to noise ratio, make the other effects sound >better. >and provide a little natural compression by driving my tube amps a little >harder. Also when I switch between my axe with single coils and my axe with >humbuckers I can vary the gain on the pedal to balance the two. Its a cool >pedal. It also cost me alot less than a similar pedal from Fulltone or >Demeter would have, and the resonance switch is unique and usefull, >particularly for a tele or strat player who would like to mellow and >darken >their tone. > Bill > > > > > > > pretty simple-----Original Message----- >From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] >Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 2:22 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: pick-ups boosters? > > > A question: What is this thing called a pick-ups booster? Looks like a >smaller > fx pedal, plugs in same way- supposed to greatly expand guitar pick-ups' >capacities > somehow...true or false?What does it do? > > Monica > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 03:56:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i537tsS30370; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040603084411.027fa370@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:52:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:OT: Processing video signals as audio? In-Reply-To: <200406030412.i534CY630288@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406030412.i534CY630288@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:12 03/06/04, you wrote: >So I got the most disposable pedal I had (Boss Distortion) and ran the >composite video out of my DVD player into it, then out of it into the TV. > >This resulted in a blank screen. apparently the video signal includes a synchronization pattern at the end of each line of video , (and , I guess, something at the end of the frame as well) so you'd have to separate the video signal from the sync info, then you could analog process it. :-( so that's probably more work than you want to do. With a video mixer you could, try pointing a video camera at the screen, and mixing that with the screen input, that will give you the equivalent of a flanger. ( = video looping?) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 04:25:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i538OUY02706; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:24:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040603082357.56412.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Clulow Subject: RE: building a midi loopstation To: tjt@nosuch.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f601c4493d$a0ceda00$230110ac@SYNTH> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using a PC. but I could use a mac if I needed to  (I could borrow my friends blue and white g3 laptop) I assume Richard Zvonar was referring to Opcode Max as a solution when he replied 'max' ? I'm keen to use whatever works, but would prefer a PC solution or even linux if there's software out there to do exactly this. thanks in advance, - Tim Tim Thompson wrote: Are you using a PC, or are you using a Mac? I may have something for you, if you're using a PC. ...Tim... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 08:28:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53CRVE06470; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:27:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1086265630!14051607 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343DD@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:25:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C44965.E2606830" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44965.E2606830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>The bottom line is that here's no way anyone is going to record or process video on audio gear. nice idea though...<< been running around all morning doing video engineering or I might've chipped in a little earlier..... to cut a very long story very short, in order to construct a high resolution picture, the video signal (& let's ignore for the moment the differences in line structure & colour encoding method between PAL & NTSC) has to accommodate the entire range of frequencies between field/frame rate (& actually this is d.c. to all intents & purposes, since the waveform is assymmetrical- video in the top half & synchronisation pulses in the bottom half) & the highest frequency picture information, which is up around 5-6MHz. that's something like 15 octaves or more. if you know anything about how tape recording works, you'll know that for every doubling of frequency, the level-off-tape also doubles. (rate of change of flux density with time....). this presented the early vtr engineers (including a very young ray dolby) with a problem- how to record that much spectrum & still manage a respectable signal/noise ratio. the answer was to use r.f. techniques to compress the frequency range, the same method used in radio transmission. ampex switched from a.m. to f.m. fairly early on & vtr's stayed with this method until relatively recently........ http://www.labguysworld.com/VTR_BirthOf.htm this is a great site with a good account of the first vtr; elsewhere there is more reading on tv technology for those sufficiently interested. everyone else- sorry this wasn't about looping. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>The bottom line is that here's no way anyone is g= oing to record or process video on audio gear. nice idea though...<<<= /FONT>

been running around all morning doing video engineering o= r I might've chipped in a little earlier.....

to cut a very long story very short, in order to construc= t a high resolution picture, the video signal (& let's ignore for the m= oment the differences in line structure & colour encoding method betwee= n PAL & NTSC) has to accommodate the entire range of frequencies betwee= n field/frame rate (& actually this is d.c. to all intents & purpos= es, since the waveform is assymmetrical- video in the top half & synchr= onisation pulses in the bottom half) & the highest frequency picture in= formation, which is up around 5-6MHz.

that's something like 15 octaves or more.
if you know anything about how tape recording works, you= 'll know that for every doubling of frequency, the level-off-tape also doub= les. (rate of change of flux density with time....).

this presented the early vtr engineers (including a very = young ray dolby) with a problem- how to record that much spectrum & sti= ll manage a respectable signal/noise ratio. the answer was to use r.f. tech= niques to compress the frequency range, the same method used in radio trans= mission. ampex switched from a.m. to f.m. fairly early on & vtr's staye= d with this method until relatively recently........

http://www.labguysworld.com/VTR_BirthOf.htm

this is a great site with a good account of the first vtr= ; elsewhere there is more reading on tv technology for those sufficiently i= nterested. everyone else- sorry this wasn't about looping.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44965.E2606830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 08:37:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53CbBX08232; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:37:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40BF1B21.70006@biink.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:35:45 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pick-ups boosters? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William Walker wrote: > I own a pickup booster pedal by Seymour Duncan, and it is a > preamp/clean booster pedal, with enough gain ( variable from +6db to > +25db), to overdrive the front end of a tube amp. I have it as the > first thing my guitar goes to on my pedal board, and I leave in on and > vary the level according to what guitar I'm using. I like using it as > a line driver to make up for the slight lose in volume and high end > one gets from running a guitar through a bunch of pedals and 30+ feet > of cable. I think it's called a buffer? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 09:55:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53Dsdd21832; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1086270804!13999628 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343E3@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:51:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C44971.E5B011F0" Resent-Message-ID: <6tl8UC.A.ASF.W1yvAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44971.E5B011F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>A color signal is around 250 times faster than a black and white signal (3.58MHz) so you're around 12,000,000 times too slow to record that.<< this is a better explanation for the technically curious. everyone else can ignore it..... http://www.lionlamb.us/quad/theory.html d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44971.E5B011F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio?

>>A color signal is around 250 times faster than a = black and white signal (3.58MHz) so you're around 12,000,000 times too slow= to record that.<<

this is a better explanation for the technically curious.= everyone else can ignore it.....

http://www.lionlamb.us/quad/theory.html

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44971.E5B011F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 12:59:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53GukA22371; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:56:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:56:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c4498d$447d5f60$9621b141@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <20040603082357.56412.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: building a midi loopstation Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:07:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If your using Windows XP you can run Max, 30 days for free. Mr. Thompson has a free program called keykit. That you can use for real-time MIDI processing. http://nosuch.com/keykit/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 13:37:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53HVHR30580; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:31:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:31:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040603120428.04e78500@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:23:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: building a midi loopstation In-Reply-To: <004601c4498d$447d5f60$9621b141@hppav> References: <20040603082357.56412.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c4498d$447d5f60$9621b141@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 6/3/2004, Rick Williamson wrote: >If your using Windows XP you can run Max, 30 days for free. Max will certainly do what you're looking for, but may end up being a bit of overkill. Depending on how complicated you wish to get, most MIDI sequencers (i.e. Cubase) will allow you to map the basic transport functions such as record, play, stop, etc. to MIDI note numbers. You could possibly send a MIDI note from your D4 to begin recording a phrase, then another to stop recording, then one to play the loop. You'd have to be somewhat adept at your timing, but then, you're a drummer... ;) It may be more rudimentary than you're looking for, but if you're looking for something simple it may do the trick. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 14:04:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53I1MI04734; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: <40A02C850000DA9C@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040603120428.04e78500@spamarrest.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: building a midi loopstation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i53Hxuh04561 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As an alternative to Max, there is also "Pure Data", or Pd, , which was created by Miller Puckette, who also created Max... http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/index.php peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:23:01 -0500 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Catilyne >Subject: Re: building a midi loopstation >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >At 12:07 PM 6/3/2004, Rick Williamson wrote: >>If your using Windows XP you can run Max, 30 days for free. > >Max will certainly do what you're looking for, but may end up being a bit > >of overkill. Depending on how complicated you wish to get, most MIDI >sequencers (i.e. Cubase) will allow you to map the basic transport >functions such as record, play, stop, etc. to MIDI note numbers. > >You could possibly send a MIDI note from your D4 to begin recording a >phrase, then another to stop recording, then one to play the loop. You'd > >have to be somewhat adept at your timing, but then, you're a drummer... >;) > >It may be more rudimentary than you're looking for, but if you're looking > >for something simple it may do the trick. > > -c- > >_____ >"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 16:07:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53K6cm28500; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Shaunie" To: Subject: Keyboards Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c449a6$32723200$3502a8c0@yodaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44984.AB609200" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44984.AB609200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize if this subject has been visited before but I need a keyboard or some type of device that can do piano and drums . or one of those keyboards with the drum pads or some type of drum machine. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44984.AB609200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 16:18:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53KHW230673; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:17:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:17:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040603120428.04e78500@spamarrest.com> References: <20040603082357.56412.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c4498d$447d5f60$9621b141@hppav> <6.0.3.0.2.20040603120428.04e78500@spamarrest.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:10:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: building a midi loopstation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:23 PM -0500 6/3/04, Catilyne wrote: >Depending on how complicated you wish to get, most MIDI sequencers >(i.e. Cubase) will allow you to map the basic transport functions >such as record, play, stop, etc. to MIDI note numbers. > >You could possibly send a MIDI note from your D4 to begin recording >a phrase, then another to stop recording, then one to play the loop. >You'd have to be somewhat adept at your timing, but then, you're a >drummer... ;) If Cubase allows you to trigger two commands with a single MIDI note then you could create a trigger that would send a "stop record" message immediately followed by a "play" command. You might have to fiddle with the timing between those two commands to get it working right. Before Max I used to control my TC2290 via system exclusive messages from Vision. I was able to do quite a lot, but as soon as I got my hands on Max alpha that became my programming interface. I don't think Max is necessarily overkill if you approach programming with the idea of using just those elements you need. There is a large and helpful community of users to get you started. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 18:23:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53MENr19781; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03d201c449b7$96503c20$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343E3@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Live 4 announced Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:10:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03CF_01C4497C.E97A3850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03CF_01C4497C.E97A3850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio?http://www.ableton.com/ looks good... ------=_NextPart_000_03CF_01C4497C.E97A3850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio?
http://www.ableton.com/
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looks=20 good...
------=_NextPart_000_03CF_01C4497C.E97A3850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 18:44:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53Mgtp23588; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:42:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03d201c449b7$96503c20$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343E3@LON-MAIL07> <03d201c449b7$96503c20$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:37:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Live 4 announced Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1125819996==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1125819996==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:10 PM -0700 6/3/04, Neil Goldstein wrote: >http://www.ableton.com/ > >looks good... The including of MIDI recording and playback is a major, and long-awaited, enhancement. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1125819996==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Live 4 announced
At 3:10 PM -0700 6/3/04, Neil Goldstein wrote:
http://www.ableton.com/
 
looks good...

The including of MIDI recording and playback is a major, and long-awaited, enhancement.
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--============_-1125819996==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 18:51:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53MoZi25099; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: pick-ups boosters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2100327991-1086303014=:89593" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2100327991-1086303014=:89593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for all the very precise and useful answers on this question. Have gotten the most comprehensive explanations from this forum... Most interesting the idea of deepening/darkening strat tone, that would be my one complaint at times about strats...usually I switch to my primative '59 Dano convertible because it plays similar yet deeper... Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-2100327991-1086303014=:89593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for all the very precise and useful answers on this question.                           Have gotten the most comprehensive explanations from this forum...
Most interesting the idea of deepening/darkening strat tone, that would be my
one complaint at times about strats...usually I switch to my primative
'59 Dano convertible because it plays similar yet deeper...
Monica

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Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-2100327991-1086303014=:89593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 19:19:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53NHNf30688; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040801c449c0$e292b370$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343E3@LON-MAIL07> <03d201c449b7$96503c20$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> Subject: Re: Live 4 announced Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:17:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0405_01C44986.35D826E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <4WwaL.A.HfH.2F7vAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0405_01C44986.35D826E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Live 4 announcedOne thing I love about this program is how it is = identical on either platform...now my Windows laptop can host cross = platform softsynths I've invested in.=20 The random composition features look pretty cool, like they've picked up = some things from old school hardware sequencing.=20 Actually, it should be a hell of a lot easier to integrate the EDP in = with Live since Live will send midi.=20 BTW, Live 4's instant reverse feature (if it works as tight as the EDP) = will be the first 'real time' reverse thing I've seen outside the EDP = (are there additional other boxes or sw that does that?) NG ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Live 4 announced At 3:10 PM -0700 6/3/04, Neil Goldstein wrote: http://www.ableton.com/ looks good... The including of MIDI recording and playback is a major, and = long-awaited, enhancement. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_0405_01C44986.35D826E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Live 4 announced
One thing I love about this program is = how it is=20 identical on either platform...now my Windows laptop can host cross = platform=20 softsynths I've invested in.
 
The random composition features look = pretty cool,=20 like they've picked up some things from old school = hardware sequencing.=20
 
Actually, it should be a hell of a lot = easier to=20 integrate the EDP in with Live since Live will send midi.
 
BTW, Live 4's instant reverse feature = (if it works=20 as tight as the EDP) will be the first 'real time' reverse thing I've = seen=20 outside the EDP (are there additional other boxes or sw that does=20 that?)
 
NG
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Zvonar=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 = 3:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: Live 4 = announced

At 3:10 PM -0700 6/3/04, Neil Goldstein wrote:
http://www.ableton.com/
 
looks = good...

The including of MIDI recording and playback is a major, and=20 long-awaited, enhancement.
--=20
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______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD       =
(818)=20 788-2202 =20        =20        =20        =20         =
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------=_NextPart_000_0405_01C44986.35D826E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 19:39:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53NKpq31339; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: OT: Fuzz Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:20:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? Is the line6 modeler any good? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 19:47:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53NcC100939; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c449c3$f6d01960$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Fuzz Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:39:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.241.222] at Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:35:51 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try a Fuzz Factory from Zvex. It will change your life. If your life has already been changed from your existing Fuzz Factory, try a Fuzz Probe and achieve immortality. :-) http://www.zvex.com/effects.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:20 PM Subject: OT: Fuzz > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. > Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your > favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? > Is the line6 modeler any good? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 20:09:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53Nvwo04257; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:57:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:57:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c449c6$ccb6c9a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <000401c449c3$f6d01960$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Think BIG! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:59:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.241.222] at Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:56:10 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3VK4uD.A.0AB.uq7vAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. Something not likely to be sold on MusiciansFriend... http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Big-Guitar.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 20:13:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i53NwcI04303; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000401c449c3$f6d01960$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <000401c449c3$f6d01960$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <69842EA3-B5B9-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Fuzz Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:54:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, interesting. That was one of the main ones I'm looking at, but I could only find one audio sample and it was part of a video on the site. I did see someone use this once at a show and I thought it might be home made based on the look. Mark On Jun 3, 2004, at 4:39 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Try a Fuzz Factory from Zvex. It will change your life. > > If your life has already been changed from your existing Fuzz Factory, > try a > Fuzz Probe and achieve immortality. :-) > > http://www.zvex.com/effects.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "msottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:20 PM > Subject: OT: Fuzz > > >> We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my >> old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. >> Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your >> favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? >> Is the line6 modeler any good? >> >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 20:41:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i540dgx13543; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <37.48dba0d2.2df11eb6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:39:18 EDT Subject: Re: Think BIG! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i540dQh13363 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, My old boss, Seymour, e-mailed me the other day and told me about the show. I wish I had cable TV. I'd love to watch it. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 20:52:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i540ps315881; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:45:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Augustus Loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustuslooppreview.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 3 23:32:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i543VDX10672; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040604032958.39498.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Fuzz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c449c3$f6d01960$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Try a Fuzz Factory from Zvex. It will change your > life. > > If your life has already been changed from your > existing Fuzz Factory, try a > Fuzz Probe and achieve immortality. :-) > > http://www.zvex.com/effects.html The Nano Amp and the entire Probe series sound interesting. I like the concept of the proximity plate. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 00:20:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i544Iv418375; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: "'Rick Williamson'" , , "'Tim Clulow'" Subject: RE: building a midi loopstation Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:18:45 -0700 Message-ID: <00a401c449eb$0729ab10$1ea8a8c0@SYNTH> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <004601c4498d$447d5f60$9621b141@hppav> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If your using Windows XP you can run Max, > 30 days for free. > Mr. Thompson has a free program called keykit. That you can use for real-time MIDI processing. > http://nosuch.com/keykit/ I'm assuming that Mr. Clulow isn't really interested in doing any actual programming. If that's true then neither keykit nor Max by themselves will suffice. If someone has specific patches in Max that they can recommend for midi looping, that information would come in handy here. My email to Mr. Clulow was regarding my latest midi looping application - I'm writing it to someone else's specs, so unlike most of my previous midi loopers it may be useful to people other than myself. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 00:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i544a2f20559; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:36:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040604043544.52819.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Boss OS-2 Overdrive/Distortion and the DOD FX-52 Classic Fuzz (The Ibanez FZ-5 60s Fuzz is very close behind, yet unfortunately resides in the flimsy "SoundTank" black plastic casing--sounds awesome though). Matt Herman funender.com/music/herman --- msottilaro wrote: > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and > then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy > synth-like tone. > Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. > What's your > favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or > after) and why? > Is the line6 modeler any good? > > Mark > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 04:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i548DmX21620; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <040801c449c0$e292b370$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343E3@LON-MAIL07> <03d201c449b7$96503c20$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> <040801c449c0$e292b370$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 announced Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:12:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i548Crh21492 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-04, at 01.17, Neil Goldstein wrote:   > BTW, Live 4's instant reverse feature (if it works as tight as the > EDP) will be the first 'real time' reverse thing I've seen outside the > EDP (are there additional other boxes or sw that does that?) >   > NG - DL4 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/line6/Line6-DL4.html - VST plug-in "Reversinator" All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 04:28:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i548RMV23634; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:25:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <42RfyD.A.yrF.TIDwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-04, at 01.20, msottilaro wrote: > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Mine is still working. Bought it 1980. Never liked the sound much though. Too "hissy" and removes too much bottom for my taste. > Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. Warm and tube like? NOPE. > I'm talking solid state. What's your favorite fuzz box to put in > front of your looper (or after) and why? Is the line6 modeler any > good? I really love my Roger Mayer Octavia! It's a perfect sound to trash with EDP HalfSpead. Sound clip at http://www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 (no amp used, only Octavia lined into computer) yrs p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 04:31:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i548UEL24367; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c901c44a0e$1c492610$0400a8c0@3dplus> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343E3@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:29:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C4_01C44A1E.DAC822C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:f5a3b43dea75223c59abe8b1c21b89d3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C4_01C44A1E.DAC822C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio? http://www.korg.co.uk/products/dance_dj/kpe/dj_kpe.asp ... interesting? ;-) L.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01C4_01C44A1E.DAC822C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Processing video signals as audio?
 
http://ww= w.korg.co.uk/products/dance_dj/kpe/dj_kpe.asp
 
... interesting?=20 ;-)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_01C4_01C44A1E.DAC822C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 05:56:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i549smP04156; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c44a19$f2cfd0c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT: FUZZ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:54:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C449DF.46592B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C449DF.46592B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, much as I love the Line6 DL4, the Line6 = distortion/fuzz/overdrive emulator was horribly dissapointing! I thought they would have much more versatitlity in the sample devices = and, more importantly, really strong effects. I think Line 6 plays way to conservatively at times. The modulation = emulator, the filter emulator and the distortion emulator all just didn't had have enough diversity and really strong effects for = my particular tastes. I'll probably get flamed for saying it. got to love that company, if only for the Bass pod and the DL 4 though = (which I am still in love with). It's not very versatile, but for pure obnoxious FUZZ, I rather like the = Boss FUZZ pedal. You don't see them around (probably for their aforementioned lack of versatility). There's a tribe at tribe.net called STOMPBOX PEDALS that is currently = discussing fuzz boxes and recommendations. Come check it out. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C449DF.46592B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Mark, much as I love the Line6 DL4, the = Line6=20 distortion/fuzz/overdrive emulator was horribly = dissapointing!
 
I thought they would have much more versatitlity = in the=20 sample devices and, more importantly,  really strong = effects.
 
I think Line 6 plays way to conservatively at=20 times.   The modulation emulator, the filter emulator and the=20 distortion emulator
all just didn't had have enough diversity and = really=20 strong effects for my particular tastes.
 
I'll probably get flamed for saying = it.
 
got to love that company, if only for the Bass = pod and the=20 DL 4 though (which I am still in love with).
 
It's not very versatile, but for pure obnoxious=20 FUZZ,  I rather like the Boss FUZZ pedal.   You don't see = them=20 around
(probably for their aforementioned lack of=20 versatility).
 
There's a tribe at tribe.net called STOMPBOX = PEDALS that=20 is currently discussing fuzz boxes and recommendations.
Come check it out.
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C449DF.46592B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 06:09:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54A8Ju07159; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c44a1b$b640f7e0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Some RC-20 Questions Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:07:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C449E1.09B8ED00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-bAhE.A.AuB.CoEwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C449E1.09B8ED00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm looking to get my first looper this summer, to start doing solo = bass (guitar) shows. I'm technically impaired, heck, I can barely work = my VCR, so researching these complicated units has left me with some = questions. My goal is to play live, so I'm not worried about MIDI, delay, = stereo, or anything fancy. I just want something easy to use live that = I can control with my feet. I've been looking at the Boss RC-20 and the Boomerang; if I use an = external foot pedal to move between loops with the RC-20 (I was told you = could do that), and I'm not worried about playing backwards live, is = there anything the Boomerang does that the RC-20 does not? I tried an RC-20 at a shop, but I was a bit confused by some of the = controls. If you use an extra pedal to move between loops, does it move = at the end of the loop, or whenever you hit the button? If it can only = move one "direction" can you tap the pedal twice to "skip" a loop (say, = moving from loop #1 to loop #3), or does it have to play through the one = in the middle first? How difficult is it to delete old loops, start new ones, and move = between them, in a live setting? I've heard a lot of people talk about = a "Undo" feature on the more expensive units, does the RC-20 have = anything similar? I hope you don't mind the "newbie" questions, I just don't want to = get in over my head, or end up taking something home that doesn't do = what I want. This stuff is complicated! Thanks for your time! -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C449E1.09B8ED00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hello,
    I'm looking to get = my first=20 looper this summer, to start doing solo bass (guitar) shows.  I'm=20 technically impaired, heck, I can barely work my VCR, so researching = these=20 complicated units has left me with some questions.
    My goal is to play = live, so I'm=20 not worried about MIDI, delay, stereo, or anything fancy.  I just = want=20 something easy to use live that I can control with my feet.
    I've been looking at = the Boss=20 RC-20 and the Boomerang; if I use an external foot pedal to move between = loops=20 with the RC-20 (I was told you could do that), and I'm not worried about = playing=20 backwards live, is there anything the Boomerang does that the RC-20 does = not?
    I tried an RC-20 at = a shop, but=20 I was a bit confused by some of the controls.  If you use an extra = pedal to=20 move between loops, does it move at the end of the loop, or whenever you = hit the=20 button?  If it can only move one "direction" can you tap the pedal = twice to=20 "skip" a loop (say, moving from loop #1 to loop #3), or does it have to = play=20 through the one in the middle first?
    How difficult is it = to delete=20 old loops, start new ones, and move between them, in a live = setting?  I've=20 heard a lot of people talk about a "Undo" feature on the more expensive = units,=20 does the RC-20 have anything similar?
    I hope you don't = mind the=20 "newbie" questions, I just don't want to get in over my head, or end up = taking=20 something home that doesn't do what I want.  This stuff is=20 complicated!
    Thanks for your=20 time!
    = -Jonathan
    www.badspatula.com
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C449E1.09B8ED00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 07:15:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54BDp016507; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1086347533!14064957 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343ED@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:10:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C44A24.950EF500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44A24.950EF500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" been meaning to try the line-6 distortion & amp modellers; any opinions would be useful. myself, I use a little maxon, an mxr distortion+, a marshall guv'nor & an old colorsound tonebender. my guitarist uses a distortion+, a big muff & at least one of the ibanez units. mostly this is with single-coil pickups. I will be passing onto my guitarist the growing concern about overdriving the input stage of the dl4; we are both big fans of this pedal & so far haven't paid too much attention to how hard it's driven.... maybe a limiter before it would be good. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44A24.950EF500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Fuzz

been meaning to try the line-6 distortion & amp model= lers; any opinions would be useful.
myself, I use a little maxon, an mxr distortion+, a mars= hall guv'nor & an old colorsound tonebender. my guitarist uses a distor= tion+, a big muff & at least one of the ibanez units. mostly this is wi= th single-coil pickups.

I will be passing onto my guitarist the growing concern a= bout overdriving the input stage of the dl4; we are both big fans of this p= edal & so far haven't paid too much attention to how hard it's driven..= .. maybe a limiter before it would be good.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44A24.950EF500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 08:38:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54CZfX28194; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:35:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40C06BAC.9060609@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:31:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #376 for June 3, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040603.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #376 June 3, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Sequences magazine, The Featured CD at Midnight was the compilation disc that came with issue 25. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Stromkarlen" by Ralph Lundsten on EMI/Odeon Records. Sequences - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jun PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ralph Lundsten Dance of the Golden Stromkarlen (EMI/Odeon) Wings to the Bell Flowers Carig Padilla Genesis Genesis (Spotted Peccary) URM Dawn Synthphonics 2 (none) Neuronium Hydro 2 - Renia Maris Hydro (Valley Entertainment) Neuronium Hydro 3 - Pax Hydro (Valley Entertainment) Paul Ellis and Everybody's Sky Echo System (Groove) Craig Padilla DAC Crowell and Yankee Ridge none (Suilven) 12:00 am VA[Max Richter] The House of Visual Sequences No. 25 Transference VA[Remy] The Long Night Sequences No. 25 VA[Trifon] Hymn of Emotions Sequences No. 25 VA[Frank Van Bogaert] Docking Sequences No. 25 VA[Adrian Beasley] Landscapes Sequences No. 25 VA[Klang Abstract] Angels Sequences No. 25 VA[Rudiger Gleisberg] Lunar Eclipse Sequences No. 25 VA[Daniel Hohl] Atmosphere Part 4 Sequences No. 25 VA[Otso Pakarinen] Whales in the Fog * Sequences No. 25 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Sequences Magazine which includes a compilation CD with each issue. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from Sequences issue number 26. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Picture Music" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 09:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54D5dw02056; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:05:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:05:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Shaunie" To: Subject: RE: Some RC-20 Questions Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:05:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c44a34$95444290$3502a8c0@yodaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C44A13.0E32A290" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <001101c44a1b$b640f7e0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C44A13.0E32A290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have the RC-20 so I can answer some of your questions. To switch between loops without using the knobs, you have to get the Boss FS-5u foot pedal. I don't have it (yet because bending over everytime gets on my nerves) but it runs around $25. I can't answer anything about the 5u because I don't have it so maybe someone else can fill you in on that part. >If you use an extra pedal to move between loops, does it move at the end of the loop, or whenever you hit >the button? If the pedal works like the knobs on the RC-20 does, then I believe it would be at the end of the loop and you would have to press the pedal several times to skip loops. The 5u does have an LCD to show you which loop you are on. >How difficult is it to delete old loops, start new ones, and move between them, in a live setting? I imagine it would be difficult depending on the instrument you are playing, because to delete loops you would have to keep bending over between songs to delete the previous song you made. Unless you are pretty good using your bare toes like me and can delete loops with your big toe :-) One thing I wish the RC20 had was a "delete all" button because in order to delete loops, you have to turn to the loop you want to delete each time which takes about a minute or two because you have to press 2 buttons at a time to delete a loop. > I've heard a lot of people talk about a "Undo" feature on the more expensive units, does the RC-20 have >anything similar? Yes and no. If you are recording the first loop then there is no real "undo" feature; you just have to stop and try again. But once you get that going and start overdub, then if you goof up you can hold down the play pedal for more than two seconds and it will "undo" the goof-up while the first loop is still playing. But that's only if you write the initial loop to the RC20 first. That's another thing. In order to write a loop to the RC20. you have to bend over and press the "write' button which takes a few seconds. I don't know if it will enable you to write via the 5u (probably not) but you have to bend over each time to write the loop to the RC20 but when you do that, the track does not continue to play, it stops so you can write it and then you can start again. But if you are performing live, I guess you won't be writing tracks. I have heard that its good for using live, but like you, I am a "newb" to this thing so maybe I'm just a cry in the wind. But since we are both newbs, you will find frustrating the same things I have. I use my RC20 at home, so I can afford to bend over all the time, but if you are going to be performing live then I definitely recommend getting the 5u pedal switch . it will save you a whole lot of back ache and pain and you won't have to keep bending over to change the track when you are starting a new loop. Shaunie My Cello Music http://cello.hecates.com -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:jonathan@kelloggcreek.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 6:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some RC-20 Questions Hello, I'm looking to get my first looper this summer, to start doing solo bass (guitar) shows. I'm technically impaired, heck, I can barely work my VCR, so researching these complicated units has left me with some questions. My goal is to play live, so I'm not worried about MIDI, delay, stereo, or anything fancy. I just want something easy to use live that I can control with my feet. I've been looking at the Boss RC-20 and the Boomerang; if I use an external foot pedal to move between loops with the RC-20 (I was told you could do that), and I'm not worried about playing backwards live, is there anything the Boomerang does that the RC-20 does not? I tried an RC-20 at a shop, but I was a bit confused by some of the controls. If you use an extra pedal to move between loops, does it move at the end of the loop, or whenever you hit the button? If it can only move one "direction" can you tap the pedal twice to "skip" a loop (say, moving from loop #1 to loop #3), or does it have to play through the one in the middle first? How difficult is it to delete old loops, start new ones, and move between them, in a live setting? I've heard a lot of people talk about a "Undo" feature on the more expensive units, does the RC-20 have anything similar? I hope you don't mind the "newbie" questions, I just don't want to get in over my head, or end up taking something home that doesn't do what I want. This stuff is complicated! Thanks for your time! -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C44A13.0E32A290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I have the RC-20 so I can answer = some of your questions.  To switch = between loops without using the knobs, you have to get the Boss FS-5u foot = pedal.  I don’t have it (yet = because bending over everytime gets on my nerves) but it runs around $25.  I can’t answer anything = about the 5u because I don’t have it so maybe someone else can fill you in = on that part.  

 

>If you use an extra pedal to move between loops, = does it move at the end of the loop, or whenever you hit >the = button? 

 

If the pedal works like the knobs = on the RC-20 does, then I believe it would be at the end of the loop and you = would have to press the pedal several times to skip loops. The 5u does have an = LCD to show you which loop you are on.

 

>How difficult is it to delete old loops, start = new ones, and move between them, in a live = setting? 

 

I imagine it would be difficult = depending on the instrument you are playing, because to delete loops you would = have to keep bending over between songs to delete the previous song you made. = Unless you are pretty good using your bare toes like me and can delete loops = with your big toe J One thing I wish the RC20 had was a “delete = all” button because in order to delete loops, you have to turn to the loop = you want to delete each time which takes about a minute or two because you have = to press 2 buttons at a time to delete a loop.

 

> I've heard a lot of people = talk about a "Undo" feature on the more expensive units, does the = RC-20 have >anything similar?

 

Yes and no.  If you are recording the first = loop then there is no real “undo” feature; you just have to stop and = try again.  But once you get = that going and start overdub, then if you goof up you can hold down the play pedal for = more than two seconds and it will “undo” the goof-up while the = first loop is still playing. But that’s only if you write the initial = loop to the RC20 first. That’s another thing. In order to write a loop to = the RC20. you have to bend over and press the “write’ button = which takes a few seconds.  I = don’t know if it will enable you to write via the 5u (probably not) but you have to = bend over each time to write the loop to the RC20 but when you do that, the = track does not continue to play, it stops so you can write it and then you can = start again. But if you are performing live, I guess you won’t be = writing tracks.

 

I have heard that its good for = using live, but like you, I am a “newb” to this thing so maybe I’m = just a cry in the wind.  But since = we are both newbs, you will find frustrating the same things I have.  I use my RC20 at home, so I can = afford to bend over all the time, but if you are going to be performing live then = I definitely recommend getting the 5u pedal switch … it will save you a whole = lot of back ache and pain and you won’t have to keep bending over to = change the track when you are starting a new loop.

 

Shaunie

=

My Cello Music http://cello.hecates.com

 

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Jonathan [mailto:jonathan@kelloggcreek.com]
Sent: = Friday, June 04, = 2004 6:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Some RC-20 = Questions

 

    = Hello,

    I'm = looking to get my first looper this summer, to start doing solo bass (guitar) = shows.  I'm technically impaired, heck, I can barely work my VCR, so researching = these complicated units has left me with some = questions.

    My goal = is to play live, so I'm not worried about MIDI, delay, stereo, or anything fancy.  I just want something easy to use live = that I can control with my feet.

    I've = been looking at the Boss RC-20 and the Boomerang; if I use an external foot pedal to = move between loops with the RC-20 (I was told you could do that), and I'm not worried about playing backwards live, is there anything the Boomerang = does that the RC-20 does not?

    I tried = an RC-20 at a shop, but I was a bit confused by some of the controls.  If = you use an extra pedal to move between loops, does it move at the end of the = loop, or whenever you hit the button?  If it can only move one "direction" can you tap the pedal twice to "skip" a = loop (say, moving from loop #1 to loop #3), or does it have to play through = the one in the middle first?

    How = difficult is it to delete old loops, start new ones, and move between them, in a live setting?  I've heard a lot of people talk about a "Undo" = feature on the more expensive units, does the RC-20 have anything = similar?

    I hope = you don't mind the "newbie" questions, I just don't want to get in over = my head, or end up taking something home that doesn't do what I want.  = This stuff is complicated!

    Thanks = for your time!

    = -Jonathan

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C44A13.0E32A290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 09:15:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54DEkh03660; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:14:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:14:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1775341A-B629-11D8-B92D-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: Heel-Toe A-B Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:14:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone, This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between - and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. In regard to my previous asynchronous loops query: I've picked up the Eventide Eclipse that I had on layaway, and in addition to that picked up a DD-20. So my asynchronous looping "career" has officially begun. My first lesson: record EVERYTHING. Two of my first 5 loops were "keepers" (for my taste, anyway) - but have been lost forever. Thanks for everyone's help, I've learned a great deal in my short time with loopers-delight.com Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 09:23:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54DMRH05213; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:19:41 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005401c44a37$5815d8e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Distortion... * Back in 83 or so I bought the ProCo Rat distortion because, with the gain at zero and the volume full up, it sounded exactly the same, on or off. No coloration. Then as you fiddle with it, it gets a good bright, edgy overdrive and distortion that is very touch-sensitive. Over the years it has compared very favorably with the Ibanez Tube Screamer. * The Jekyll and Hyde dual overdrive by Visual Sound has two cascaded distortions. Jekyll is like the Rat/Tube Screamer, but not quite as "involving." A little more fizzy, less touch-sensitive, like the bright setting on a Univox SuperFuzz. Hyde is like a Big Muff Pi or SuperFuzz in dark mode, very square wave, and with lots of tonal control. You can cascade the two and destroy the world. Totally decimates drum machines. * The Danelectro French Toast is like challah bread stuffed with peanut butter and bananas, then dipped in egg and fried in pork fat. It does the Octavia/Ring Mod sound like nobody's business. Turn the knobs down and it sounds like some of that pork fat got splattered on your amp. Hissy and spitty, static-y and flatulent. I L-O-V-E THIS PEDAL! * Any good amp turned up. Too many distortion pedals are one less than enough. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 09:38:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54Da8s07558; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:36:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:36:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:35:26 -0400 From: "kevin messerschmidt" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: kmesse@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: Some RC-20 Questions X-Sender-Ip: 192.153.25.250 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an RC-20. I've found it very easy to play live, but the cycling between phrases is useless. From what I've heard the rang would be a better investment, but I couldn't afford it OR the real estate on the pedalbard. >...If you use an extra pedal to move between loops, does it move at the end of the loop, or whenever you hit the button? when the current phrase ends, the next one kicks in automatically. >If it can only move one "direction" can you tap the pedal twice to "skip" a loop (say, moving from loop #1 to loop #3), or does it have to play through the one in the middle first? One at a time. It cycles from 1 to 10 and stops. >How difficult is it to delete old loops, start new ones, and move between them, in a live setting? I've heard a lot of people talk about a "Undo" feature on the more expensive units, does the RC-20 have anything similar? No undos or anything, and if you want to save a loop, you have to write it to memory or it's lost. I use it live only for a one-shot effect or using the current loop only. Also the 5:30 of memory is divided between the 11 phrases, not 5:30 for each phrase. So I found that pretty disappointing too. Nice unit though, good bang for the buck. Kevin ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 09:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54Dq6310063; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C44A4B.D149E4E0@dyn-83-154-120-253.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:51:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C44A4B.D1518600" Resent-Message-ID: <-D9JID.A.ebC.y5HwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C44A4B.D1518600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this A-B volume pedal thing sounds like an interesting idea to me; I also wish someone would make A-B (or A-B-C) switches that would be a bit cheaper than those in the shops; and the "record everything" lesson was also the very first thing I = learnt from looping; I lost a few "great" things too... I leave you some time to fiddle with the Eclipse and will get back to = you for more about it in a few days. I hope you'll be able to upload some mp3's of your looping stuff = somewhere so we can listen to it. Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Jeff Evans [SMTP:jeff@sccadv.com] Date: vendredi 4 juin 2004 15:14 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Heel-Toe A-B Hello everyone, This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that=20 works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty=20 handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel=20 position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between=20 - and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. In regard to my previous asynchronous loops query: I've picked up the=20 Eventide Eclipse that I had on layaway, and in addition to that picked=20 up a DD-20. So my asynchronous looping "career" has officially begun.=20 My first lesson: record EVERYTHING. Two of my first 5 loops were=20 "keepers" (for my taste, anyway) - but have been lost forever. 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Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c44a3d$c5af5880$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44A03.19508080" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01C44A4B.D149E4E0@dyn-83-154-120-253.ppp.tiscali.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44A03.19508080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-RLL-RFX412.html is this something that would work for you? If so, Ernie Ball and Proel make similar units, as well. Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: F Lebrun [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]=20 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 6:52 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B this A-B volume pedal thing sounds like an interesting idea to me; I also wish someone would make A-B (or A-B-C) switches that would be a bit cheaper than those in the shops; and the "record everything" lesson was also the very first thing I learnt from looping; I lost a few "great" things too... I leave you some time to fiddle with the Eclipse and will get back to you for more about it in a few days. I hope you'll be able to upload some mp3's of your looping stuff somewhere so we can listen to it. Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Jeff Evans [SMTP:jeff@sccadv.com] Date: vendredi 4 juin 2004 15:14 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Heel-Toe A-B Hello everyone, This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that=20 works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty=20 handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel=20 position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between=20 - and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. In regard to my previous asynchronous loops query: I've picked up the=20 Eventide Eclipse that I had on layaway, and in addition to that picked=20 up a DD-20. So my asynchronous looping "career" has officially begun.=20 My first lesson: record EVERYTHING. Two of my first 5 loops were=20 "keepers" (for my taste, anyway) - but have been lost forever. Thanks for everyone's help, I've learned a great deal in my short time=20 with loopers-delight.com Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44A03.19508080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Heel-Toe A-B

http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-RLL-RFX412.html

is this something that would work for you?  If so, = Ernie Ball and Proel make similar units, as well.

Best,

Rich



------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44A03.19508080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 10:35:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54EY1f17369; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:34:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:34:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c44a40$f3de6fe0$bef4ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: References: <001101c44a1b$b640f7e0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Subject: Re: Some RC-20 Questions Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:33:49 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C44A1F.6C41A6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C44A1F.6C41A6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jonathan, I'm pretty new at this too, but I've been using an RC-20 for a couple = months. I can give you a few answers. >If you use an extra pedal to move between loops, does it move at the = end of the loop, or whenever you hit the button? The extra pedal deal is not that great. You can use the pedal to move = forward to the next loop in the sequence--not backward, not skipping = loops, just forward to the next loop. Say I'm playing loop 1; at any = point while loop 1 is playing, I press the pedal, and when loop 1 is = done, loop 2 starts playing. If I press it again, when loop 2 is done = playing, loop 3 will start. You're really better off bending down and = turning the knob to the next loop you want, if you want to skip, say, = from #1 to #3. The pedal also lets you use the reverse function, but if you're not into = reverse, then it's not that great. > To delete old loops, start new ones, and move between them, in a live = setting ... undo feature:=20 To delete an old loop, you stop the loop, then hold the pedal down for 2 = seconds. if you haven't saved the loop in the memory, this will delete = it. If you saved it, then you have to bend down and press the write and = edit buttons down for a couple seconds. Then straighten up and start = looping again. On-the-fly pain in the buns. You can't undo a part of a = loop, only delete a whole loop. Then, you turn the dial to the next = loop and either start from scratch or have something already saved in = memory, like a basic bassline, that you can build up from. It's = definitely not as flexible as, say, the Repeater. I've been trying to = work it out so that I can really loop on the fly with the RC-20, but = it's a bit--as they say--wack. I love it for songwriting and sound = collage work, though! Best, Paula ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C44A1F.6C41A6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jonathan,
 
I'm pretty new at this too, but I've = been using an=20 RC-20 for a couple months.  I can give you a few = answers.
 
>If you use an extra pedal to move = between=20 loops, does it move at the end of the loop, or whenever you hit the=20 button?
 
The extra pedal deal is not that = great.  You=20 can use the pedal to move forward to the next loop in the sequence--not=20 backward, not skipping loops, just forward to the next loop.  Say = I'm=20 playing loop 1; at any point while loop 1 is playing, I press the pedal, = and=20 when loop 1 is done, loop 2 starts playing.  If I press it again, = when loop=20 2 is done playing, loop 3 will start.  You're really better off = bending=20 down and turning the knob to the next loop you want, if you want to = skip, say,=20 from #1 to #3.
 
The pedal also lets you use the reverse = function,=20 but if you're not into reverse, then it's not that great.
 
> To delete old loops, start new = ones, and move=20 between them, in a live setting ... undo feature: 
 
To delete an old loop, you stop the = loop, then hold=20 the pedal down for 2 seconds.  if you haven't saved the loop in the = memory,=20 this will delete it.  If you saved it, then you have to bend down = and press=20 the write and edit buttons down for a couple seconds.  Then = straighten up=20 and start looping again.  On-the-fly pain in the buns.  You = can't undo=20 a part of a loop, only delete a whole loop.  Then, you turn the = dial to the=20 next loop and either start from scratch or have something already saved = in=20 memory, like a basic bassline, that you can build up from.  It's = definitely=20 not as flexible as, say, the Repeater.  I've been trying to work it = out so=20 that I can really loop on the fly with the RC-20, but it's a bit--as = they=20 say--wack.  I love it for songwriting and sound collage work,=20 though!
 
Best,
 
 =20 Paula
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C44A1F.6C41A6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 11:07:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54F6Do24206; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:05:22 -0400 From: "kevin messerschmidt" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: kmesse@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: RE: Some RC-20 Questions X-Sender-Ip: 192.153.25.250 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More on the FS-5U: I've never heard of any kind of LCD or LED on the thing, and electrically I don't see how it can be done with only 2 connections. But I soldered a $2 momentary switch across 2 cable leads and it worked fine. To try it I simply touched the two wires together first when I plugged it in. That's all any momentary switch does, makes a contact. I actually mounted one in a blank spot on my morley volume pedal to change presets on my FX500 processor. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 11:10:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54F9fI24985; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c44a45$d244ce60$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: jason spring? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2Z2Z3.A.UDG.aCJwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, fellow la. looper. i'm in arnaudville. what's your story? me and mine are a group of guys doing spoken word looping, right now. but we geek on it all: acoustic instuments, the standard electrics, and techno stuff like fruity loops and what not. we have a pretty respectable selection of loopers: repeater, echoplex, line6 studio delay, and several others. we go from hillbilly mountain music through middle eastern to electronica and poetry remix. lets get in touch sometime. we are starting to get some momentum going on this spoken word project and the more the merrier, as they say. gimme the low down on yourself and your art, if you have the time, and let's see if we can't work up a project or something. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Spring" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? > Hey lance, > > You live in the big boot? Where'bouts? > > I'm in Baton Rouge. I didn't know of any LDer's in the area (but then again > I never looked..). > > Jason > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 12:15:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54GEqb04330; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:14:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:14:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Fuzz Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:12:52 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c44a4e$ca36a5a0$3d0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <69842EA3-B5B9-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! Home made is right! I worked with Zvex in project studio when he was recording local bands and beginning to come out with his line. They're high quality pedals, he's a perfectionist, and a bit of an idealist (these things use incredibly little battery juice), and ... odd. > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fuzz > > > Ah, interesting. That was one of the main ones I'm looking at, but I > could only find one audio sample and it was part of a video on the > site. I did see someone use this once at a show and I > thought it might > be home made based on the look. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 12:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54GRbX06507; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:27:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:27:00 -0700 Message-ID: <40A02C850000E465@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c44a4e$ca36a5a0$3d0710ac@ws42554> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Fuzz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i54GR7h06291 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a fuzz factory and a seek-wah.. love em both.. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Spaceranger (E-mail)" >To: >Subject: RE: Fuzz >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:12:52 -0600 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >LOL! Home made is right! I worked with Zvex in project studio when he was >recording local bands and beginning to come out with his line. They're high >quality pedals, he's a perfectionist, and a bit of an idealist (these things >use incredibly little battery juice), and ... odd. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:55 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Fuzz >> >> >> Ah, interesting. That was one of the main ones I'm looking at, but I >> could only find one audio sample and it was part of a video on the >> site. I did see someone use this once at a show and I >> thought it might >> be home made based on the look. >> >> Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 14:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54I3eq25541; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c44a5d$ea4dd5c0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <001101c44a1b$b640f7e0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> <001a01c44a40$f3de6fe0$bef4ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> Subject: Re: Some RC-20 Questions Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:01:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A23.3CEB9780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A23.3CEB9780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I've been trying to work it out so that I can really loop on the fly = with the RC-20, but it's a bit--as they say--wack. I love it for = songwriting and sound collage work, though! So, maybe the RC-20 isn't the best tool to use for looping an = electric bass live? I want to be doing full compositions, solo jazz = stuff, and maybe even some standards. I've also been looking at the Boomerang because it looks to be the = simplest for playing live. I've heard mixed things about it's sound = though, and having no "undo" feature and only 2 loops could be limiting. I've never gotten to try a Jam Man, would it be better for what I'm = trying to do? Or maybe there's something else in that general price = range that I don't even know about. Any suggestions? Thanks! -Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A23.3CEB9780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I've been trying to work it out so = that I can=20 really loop on the fly with the RC-20, but it's a bit--as they = say--wack. =20 I love it for songwriting and sound collage work, = though!
 
    So, maybe the RC-20 = isn't the=20 best tool to use for looping an electric bass live?  I want to be = doing=20 full compositions, solo jazz stuff, and maybe even some = standards.
    I've also been = looking at the=20 Boomerang because it looks to be the simplest for playing live.  = I've heard=20 mixed things about it's sound though, and having no "undo" feature and = only 2=20 loops could be limiting.
    I've never gotten to = try a Jam=20 Man, would it be better for what I'm trying to do?  Or maybe = there's=20 something else in that general price range that I don't even know = about. =20 Any suggestions?
    Thanks!
   =20 -Jonathan
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A23.3CEB9780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 14:33:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54IU3K30305; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:30:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:29:06 -0400 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz Message-ID: <20040604182905.GF11040@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <20040603225014.89629.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <97757906-B5B4-11D8-B99B-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 04:20:24PM -0700, msottilaro wrote: > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. > Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your > favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? > Is the line6 modeler any good? At the moment, my favorite is a Zoom Ultra Fuzz. Unlike most zoom stuff, it actually sounds good ;->. Works very well on my Stick, and sounds great fuzzing out synthy sounds from the gr-20/x-911/fm4. If I want more of an metal type sound, I've got a dod fx70 thats insane (sold under several names like "corrosion", "metalX", "bigfatpig"). I occasionally use it when doing noise stuff after loops (especially heavily detuned loops). Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 14:42:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54If8W32447; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:41:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:41:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040604184041.26939.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Looper Purist?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm curious to know, is there such thing as a looper purist? Given how expressive an artform looping is, I would think there would be no such thing. I guess what I want to know is, what types of music are best considered for looping? Also, if one were to set up a simple(if that's possible) rig for guitar and one amp, maybe two, what would you prefer or already have in your signal chain? I myself have a rig that incorperates my guitar signal running to a wah pedal, into a Digitech Whammy II, into either a Digitech RP-100A or a Johnson J-Station(or both), then to a Digitech RP-1, then to my amp. I Haven't done it yet, but I will eventually put a Digitech RDS 1900 rackmount delay unit in line somewhere(I'm thinking at the front of the chain for maximum wierdness), I'm just saving the scratch to buy a foot pedal to turn the repeat hold function on and off. I set one of the patches on my J-Station to have a three second delay with about 98% repeat and also set the RP-1 for it's maximum setting of 1500ms. I use the RP-1 to control the J-Station via MIDI and I'm still trying to suss out the CC's for turning on and off the repeat hold on the J-station(anyone have any ideas?). The RP-100A is optional in my rig, but since it has a 2 second delay and a built in drum pattern player, I will use it sometimes. This isn't my dream rig and I'm looking into a couple of different looping tools, but it still can make a few noises. As for my choices of music, I really haven't figured out what I want to do, but for now, I've performed a couple of free form melodic excursions by playing melodies and harmonies without closing the loop, so it's ever-evolving. Thanks for letting me rant and appreciate your thoughts. Bri __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 15:33:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54JWXK10604; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40C0CD94.1030407@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:29:24 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Purist?? References: <20040604184041.26939.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040604184041.26939.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7gOFGD.A.giC.r4MwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting question. Andre LaFosse might be a looper purist. His music is based entirely on loops (I think I can safely say that), and in addition his tools are deliberately reductionist to gave all attention to the loops themselves; just guitar, EDP, amp. http://www.altruistmusic.com Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >I'm curious to know, is there such thing as a looper >purist? Given how expressive an artform looping is, I >would think there would be no such thing. I guess >what I want to know is, what types of music are best >considered for looping? Also, if one were to set up a >simple(if that's possible) rig for guitar and one amp, >maybe two, what would you prefer or already have in >your signal chain? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 16:24:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54KNr419733; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40C0CD94.1030407@mhorse.com> References: <20040604184041.26939.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> <40C0CD94.1030407@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <08ECF905-B665-11D8-AC86-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper Purist?? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:23:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I hear Andre's music he is doing funk and fusion with a distinct personal expression. The instruments he is mastering so well are the electric guitar and the EDP. Just my 2 cents. All the best Per Boysen On 2004-06-04, at 21.29, Daryl wrote: > > interesting question. Andre LaFosse might be a looper purist. His > music is based entirely on loops (I think I can safely say that), and > in addition his tools are deliberately reductionist to gave all > attention to the loops themselves; just guitar, EDP, amp. > > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > >> I'm curious to know, is there such thing as a looper >> purist? Given how expressive an artform looping is, I >> would think there would be no such thing. I guess >> what I want to know is, what types of music are best >> considered for looping? Also, if one were to set up a >> simple(if that's possible) rig for guitar and one amp, >> maybe two, what would you prefer or already have in >> your signal chain? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 16:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i54KrpD26889; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:35:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read in a musician's friend's catalogue about a reissue of the TS808. The paragraph was really funny, sarcastic, something like "same nutty hardware, same seasick green colour", ... I've looked for the text online, found approx. that passage but, alas, not the same sarcastic paragraph. Anyhow, my all-time fav IS good ole' Seasick Green. It was the first pedal I got (around 1982) and it's still going strong. It has gathered a few friends around it, like the Compression Sustainer CS-2 and the Octave OC-2. When looping, I like to lay a fat bass line with the OC-2 and then double that with a CS-2ed and TS808ed unisono. TS808 / OC-2 / CS-2 (supposed to be played as a loop): http://nosuch.biz/soundz/explainTheBass03.wav (~ 460K) More recently, I discovered the "Satch..." distortion on the MPX G2, which comes along pretty analog... I should work more on that "beat boxing" (and voice, *blush*), but still, an example for the "Satch..." / OC-2: http://nosuch.biz/soundz/CaliforniaSun.mp3 (~ 3MB) (To the new friends from Loopstock 2004! ;-) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Freitag, 4. Juni 2004 10:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz > > > On 2004-06-04, at 01.20, msottilaro wrote: > > > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. > > Mine is still working. Bought it 1980. Never liked the sound much > though. Too "hissy" and removes too much bottom for my taste. > > > Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. Warm and tube like? NOPE. > > I'm talking solid state. What's your favorite fuzz box to put in > > front of your looper (or after) and why? Is the line6 modeler any > > good? > > I really love my Roger Mayer Octavia! It's a perfect sound to trash > with EDP HalfSpead. > Sound clip at http://www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 (no amp > used, only Octavia lined into computer) > > yrs > p > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 20:29:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i550SYg31664; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looper Purist?? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:28:19 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c44a94$008507b0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040604184041.26939.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <8nt6sC.A.LuH.lORwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess my question would be, what's the criteria for being a looper purist? Someone whose performances are completely generated from looping (rather than using a looping device only on a few songs for special effects), or someone who uses a looper with minimal "gadgetry" in the signal chain? (Or a both) I would fit into the former category, certainly not the latter! I run my Taylor acoustic guitar into a Boss GT-3 multi-effects pedal, through the Boomerang or RC20, and then into a mixer board with an Alesis Nanoverb and Boss SX700 for delay and chorus. I used this and the Digidesign mBox to record my latest CD, which was all spontaneously improvised and recorded in one take: http://www.krispenhartung.com/ I have two Echoplexes on the way (hopefully) to replace the Boomerang and run everything in true stereo. For types of music, I think you can do just about anything with looping. I've done jazz, avant-garde, experimental, ambient, folk, middle-eastern, etc. I prefer improvisational ambient and avant-garde....especially the weird, atonal or "outside" stuff. :) Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:41 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper Purist?? Hi, I'm curious to know, is there such thing as a looper purist? Given how expressive an artform looping is, I would think there would be no such thing. I guess what I want to know is, what types of music are best considered for looping? Also, if one were to set up a simple(if that's possible) rig for guitar and one amp, maybe two, what would you prefer or already have in your signal chain? I myself have a rig that incorperates my guitar signal running to a wah pedal, into a Digitech Whammy II, into either a Digitech RP-100A or a Johnson J-Station(or both), then to a Digitech RP-1, then to my amp. I Haven't done it yet, but I will eventually put a Digitech RDS 1900 rackmount delay unit in line somewhere(I'm thinking at the front of the chain for maximum wierdness), I'm just saving the scratch to buy a foot pedal to turn the repeat hold function on and off. I set one of the patches on my J-Station to have a three second delay with about 98% repeat and also set the RP-1 for it's maximum setting of 1500ms. I use the RP-1 to control the J-Station via MIDI and I'm still trying to suss out the CC's for turning on and off the repeat hold on the J-station(anyone have any ideas?). The RP-100A is optional in my rig, but since it has a 2 second delay and a built in drum pattern player, I will use it sometimes. This isn't my dream rig and I'm looking into a couple of different looping tools, but it still can make a few noises. As for my choices of music, I really haven't figured out what I want to do, but for now, I've performed a couple of free form melodic excursions by playing melodies and harmonies without closing the loop, so it's ever-evolving. Thanks for letting me rant and appreciate your thoughts. Bri __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 21:35:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i551ZCq09850; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:35:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c44a9d$cd546e80$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <002201c44a94$008507b0$6401a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Looper Purist?? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:38:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.krispenhartung.com/ Nice stuff-"Places". Kinda reminds me of early John Abercrombie's sound (which is listed as an influence). Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Looper Purist?? > I guess my question would be, what's the criteria for being a looper > purist? Someone whose performances are completely generated from looping > (rather than using a looping device only on a few songs for special > effects), or someone who uses a looper with minimal "gadgetry" in the > signal chain? (Or a both) > > I would fit into the former category, certainly not the latter! I run my > Taylor acoustic guitar into a Boss GT-3 multi-effects pedal, through the > Boomerang or RC20, and then into a mixer board with an Alesis Nanoverb > and Boss SX700 for delay and chorus. I used this and the Digidesign > mBox to record my latest CD, which was all spontaneously improvised and > recorded in one take: http://www.krispenhartung.com/ > > I have two Echoplexes on the way (hopefully) to replace the Boomerang > and run everything in true stereo. > > For types of music, I think you can do just about anything with looping. > I've done jazz, avant-garde, experimental, ambient, folk, > middle-eastern, etc. I prefer improvisational ambient and > avant-garde....especially the weird, atonal or "outside" stuff. :) > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:41 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looper Purist?? > > > Hi, > > I'm curious to know, is there such thing as a looper > purist? Given how expressive an artform looping is, I > would think there would be no such thing. I guess > what I want to know is, what types of music are best > considered for looping? Also, if one were to set up a simple(if that's > possible) rig for guitar and one amp, maybe two, what would you prefer > or already have in your signal chain? > > I myself have a rig that incorperates my guitar signal > running to a wah pedal, into a Digitech Whammy II, > into either a Digitech RP-100A or a Johnson > J-Station(or both), then to a Digitech RP-1, then to > my amp. I Haven't done it yet, but I will eventually > put a Digitech RDS 1900 rackmount delay unit in line somewhere(I'm > thinking at the front of the chain for maximum wierdness), I'm just > saving the scratch to buy a foot pedal to turn the repeat hold function > on and off. I set one of the patches on my J-Station to have a three > second delay with about 98% repeat and also set the RP-1 for it's > maximum setting of 1500ms. I use the RP-1 to control the J-Station via > MIDI and I'm still trying to suss out the CC's for turning on and off > the repeat hold on the J-station(anyone have any ideas?). The RP-100A > is optional in my rig, but since it has a 2 second delay and a built in > drum pattern player, I will use it sometimes. This isn't my dream rig > and I'm looking into a couple of different looping tools, but it still > can make a few noises. > > As for my choices of music, I really haven't figured > out what I want to do, but for now, I've performed a > couple of free form melodic excursions by playing > melodies and harmonies without closing the loop, so > it's ever-evolving. > > Thanks for letting me rant and appreciate your > thoughts. > > Bri > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 21:47:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i551kut11125; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:46:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:46:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:45:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I prefer overdrive to fuzz. Of the ones I have owned, the original TS-9 was outstanding, I wish I stiil had it. Later, I had an Ibanez UE 300 that had a TS-9, a compressor, and a chorus box all built in. You can occasionaly find those today for less than an original TS-9. Wish I still had it. I had a Klon Centaur that was amazing, everything it was cracked up to be, but it took up a lot of real estate on my pedal board, so I sold it. wish I still had it. Are you seeing a trend here? currently I own a fulltone fulldrive 2, and a distortion pro as well. The fulldrive is great sounding, and very versatile with the extra footswitchable gain boost. I like the distortion pro, but I'm not sure if I'll keep it as my taste is less "big hair" and more "no hair" these days! It is however, an excellent distortion box capable of major saturation and boucou tweeking. I'm hoping to demo the TS-808 reissue soon, I hope its good cause I'd like to replace my distortion pro with something that size and sound. A while back, I had a TS-9 reissue that Anolog Man modified, which was very good and smooth and creamy sounding........ ..........wish I still had it Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz I read in a musician's friend's catalogue about a reissue of the TS808. The paragraph was really funny, sarcastic, something like "same nutty hardware, same seasick green colour", ... I've looked for the text online, found approx. that passage but, alas, not the same sarcastic paragraph. Anyhow, my all-time fav IS good ole' Seasick Green. It was the first pedal I got (around 1982) and it's still going strong. It has gathered a few friends around it, like the Compression Sustainer CS-2 and the Octave OC-2. When looping, I like to lay a fat bass line with the OC-2 and then double that with a CS-2ed and TS808ed unisono. TS808 / OC-2 / CS-2 (supposed to be played as a loop): http://nosuch.biz/soundz/explainTheBass03.wav (~ 460K) More recently, I discovered the "Satch..." distortion on the MPX G2, which comes along pretty analog... I should work more on that "beat boxing" (and voice, *blush*), but still, an example for the "Satch..." / OC-2: http://nosuch.biz/soundz/CaliforniaSun.mp3 (~ 3MB) (To the new friends from Loopstock 2004! ;-) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Freitag, 4. Juni 2004 10:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz > > > On 2004-06-04, at 01.20, msottilaro wrote: > > > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. > > Mine is still working. Bought it 1980. Never liked the sound much > though. Too "hissy" and removes too much bottom for my taste. > > > Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. Warm and tube like? NOPE. > > I'm talking solid state. What's your favorite fuzz box to put in > > front of your looper (or after) and why? Is the line6 modeler any > > good? > > I really love my Roger Mayer Octavia! It's a perfect sound to trash > with EDP HalfSpead. > Sound clip at http://www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 (no amp > used, only Octavia lined into computer) > > yrs > p > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 4 22:10:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5529Is15108; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: My first looper Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37.48dba0d2.2df11eb6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The first looper I ever had, was a Maxon DM2000, a grey market version of the Ibanez DM2000 that I bought in the mid 80's. Maxon was originally a "Japan only" brand of Ibanez, and my unit had a little step down transformer that it plugged in to accept the higher US voltages. It had a whopping 2000 milliseconds of hold time! Thats right folks, 2 whole seconds, an eternity of loopage back then. Unlike loopers of today you could'nt set the loop length with anything other than a front panel knob. And you couln't determine a start point, you would just have to try to fit your phrase into the time frame you had set, hit the hold button and hope for the best. When I finally got a jamman, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I still have my first jamman and it still works great. Before the Maxon, I did have an original echoplex, but that was really more of a sound on sound device, that lacked the capability to hold your phrase indefinitely. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 05:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i559M7s15879; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 05:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 05:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My first looper Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:21:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-05, at 04.08, William Walker wrote: > The first looper I ever had, was a Maxon DM2000, a grey market > version of > the Ibanez DM2000 that I bought in the mid 80's. Hah! My first one was also an Ibanez, I think it was called "ibanez Hold Delay"...? Bought it in 1980. By then I had been using a Roland Chorus Echo for a while but sold it because it added to much tape hiss when doing sound-on-sound playing. With those first generation digital delays you always had to play at a tempo fitted to the delay unit ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 07:42:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55BeZs03370; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 07:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 07:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: OT Pauline Oliveros Software for People Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:43:13 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: VyacG2ZQweerUKOnGsgmXKL8sLpYGSiWd4w9EDXko3Hj8qS04i3awL@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Pauline Oliveros / Software for People I finally got this book from www.smith-publications.com. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 12:43:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55Gg7l27768; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:42:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:42:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <17B1529E-B70F-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: new looping plug-in released Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:40:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Expert Sleepers are proud to announce the release of Augustus Loop. http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to the Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it essentially offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability to overdub and undo. (Though future versions may bring that functionality as well.) The key features of Augustus Loop that make it more than just a big delay effect are: - Really long maximum delay (3600 seconds - that's one hour). - Tap tempo. - Virtual tape. The delay simulates an old-style tape delay, meaning you can - change the tape speed (i.e. pitch up and down) - reverse the tape direction - smoothly change the delay time (as if you were changing the head gap on a tape delay). - Multimode filter and saturation in the feedback loop. - Four feedback taps (left to left, left to right, right to left and right to right) with independent delay time and feedback settings, for ping-pong effects, stereo delays etc. - Pitch and filter LFOs. Priced at $20. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 13:30:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55HTKT06759; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040605100727.04e2bf40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:35:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released In-Reply-To: <17B1529E-B70F-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> References: <17B1529E-B70F-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:40 AM 6/5/2004, Os wrote: >Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to the >Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it essentially >offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability to overdub and undo. from the feature list it doesn't sound even remotely like a JamMan. (or Echoplex). It's an emulation of old tape and analog delays, which is fine, but that is completely different from the JamMan. That statement kind of leaves me wondering if these guys know much about looping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 13:33:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55HWDV07903; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.106.242.234] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:31:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2004 17:31:26.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDD11390:01C44B22] Resent-Message-ID: <-ZLEx.A.f3B.1NgwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never seen a heel-toe one, but some of the ones on the market can do A, B or Both >De: Jeff Evans [SMTP:jeff@sccadv.com] >Objet: Heel-Toe A-B > >Hello everyone, > >This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that=20 >works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty=20 >handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel=20 >position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between=20 >- and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 14:07:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55I1HZ18456; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d04060511004ed5e4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:00:57 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040605100727.04e2bf40@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <17B1529E-B70F-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> <6.1.0.6.2.20040605100727.04e2bf40@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought the same thing. Boy, I'd sure like to see someone who did know a lot about looping write a killer VST looping plug-in. -Art Simon art.simon.tripod.com On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:35:45 -0700, Kim Flint wrote: > > At 09:40 AM 6/5/2004, Os wrote: > >Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to the > >Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it essentially > >offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability to overdub and undo. > > from the feature list it doesn't sound even remotely like a JamMan. (or > Echoplex). It's an emulation of old tape and analog delays, which is fine, > but that is completely different from the JamMan. > > That statement kind of leaves me wondering if these guys know much about > looping. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 14:08:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55I7Ll19485; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike" To: Subject: tc 2290 series vs. parallel Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:05:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c44b27$b378c260$6401a8c0@athlon1700> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B06.2C672260" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <8MWb5C.A.ysE.0tgwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B06.2C672260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi... I am new to the world of looping, though very much interested in getting started. I recently purchased (2) TC 2290s both with PROM v.30.12 with Stereo Sampling, FastTrig, and 32sec delay upgrades. I play in stereo and I am looking for guidance in interfacing these 2 units into my rig. TC described for me a parallel configuration that will maintain the stereo field; that is, L and R outputs from my Lexicon MPX-1 to each 2290, then mono outputs from each 2290 to my Mesa 2:Ninety Stereo amp. According to TC, this set-up requires that one 2290 be designated as "Master" and the other as "Slave" and utilizes a db9 connector between the two as well as a MIDI loop to sync the delay times. I have reviewed some of Fripp's set-ups and it at one time he used (2) 2290s in series on the left channel paralleled with (2) 2290s on the right channel. I am interested in how the specific series connections are made and whether the series configuration can give me a 64sec loop in stereo. Also, this will allow me to use the stereo effects, i.e. stereo panning. Your insight is much appreciated. Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B06.2C672260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi...

 

I am new to the world of looping, though very much interested in getting started.  I recently purchased (2) TC 2290s = both with PROM v.30.12 with Stereo Sampling, FastTrig, and 32sec delay = upgrades. 

 

I play in stereo and I am looking for guidance in = interfacing these 2 units into my rig.  TC described for me a parallel = configuration that will maintain the stereo field; that is, L and R outputs from my = Lexicon MPX-1 to each 2290, then mono outputs from each 2290 to my Mesa 2:Ninety Stereo amp.  According to TC, this set-up requires that one 2290 be designated as “Master” and the other as “Slave” = and utilizes a db9 connector between the two as well as a = MIDI loop to sync the delay times.

 

I have reviewed some of Fripp’s set-ups and it = at one time he used (2) 2290s in series on the left channel paralleled with (2) = 2290s on the right channel.  I am interested in how the specific series connections are made and whether the series configuration can give me a = 64sec loop in stereo.  Also, this will allow me to use the stereo = effects, i.e. stereo panning.

 

Your insight is much appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

  

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B06.2C672260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 14:13:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55ICRB20518; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:12:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike" To: Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c44b28$977bbb20$6401a8c0@athlon1700> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the George Dennis Panoramic Stereo Volume Pedal which allows you to take one input and send to 2 destinations with the relative volume of each of the mono signals determined by the pedal position. No notch in the middle, but optical control and therefore very low noise. Sound like this would work for you. Mike -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B I've never seen a heel-toe one, but some of the ones on the market can do A, B or Both >De: Jeff Evans [SMTP:jeff@sccadv.com] >Objet: Heel-Toe A-B > >Hello everyone, > >This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that=20 >works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty=20 >handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel=20 >position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between=20 >- and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 14:32:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55IVS524107; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <003701c44a19$f2cfd0c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003701c44a19$f2cfd0c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E1648EC-B71E-11D8-B5E9-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:31:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DM4 was the first of the modeler pedals that I acquired. I used it a fair amount with my DG-Stomp and generally I liked the effects. The only really wild option on it is the Jet Phaser which I tended to use together with drumming my fingers on my guitar body. Then I became Tech21 convert and did Y2K3 using just the SansAmp PSA-1. I've been tempted to put a fuzzbox in front of it though I haven't fully explored the programming depths on the PSA-1. I guess I should haul out my DM4 and try that though I may be becoming an analog convert. What I miss right now about the DM4 (and the DG-Stomp to some extent) was that they offered reasonable floor control. I need to find a MIDI pedal to control the PSA-1 but I'd like to find something that can either control a lot of gear via groups of footswitches or it needs to be reasonably small. One thing in particular that is nice about the Line6 modeler pedals is that they effectively give you five settings for the space of 4 switches if you count bypass. If one doesn't mind digital modeling and doesn't want foot access to as many presets, the Boss OD-20(?) has gotten good reviews. Based on some of the other comments that have been posted here about the DD-20, one could build a nice little looping rig with a small set of the Boss dual pedals. Hmm. Should I sell off all my Line6 pedals... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 14:35:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55IYv624802; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:34:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:34:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <21DE5BFB-B71F-11D8-B5E9-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: My first looper Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:35:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first looper was a DigiTech RDS3600 that I got in 1985. (I think.) I've got a somewhat demented recording somewhere of me doing looped improv on a PAiA Organtua through some Arion pedals into the RDS3600 with the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220 providing the percussion track. I have to figure out what to do with that some time. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 14:44:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55IheF26427; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c44b2c$e28e0920$9ff6ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: References: <000d01c44a5d$ea4dd5c0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Subject: Re: Some RC-20 Questions Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:42:41 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C44B0B.5ACE4ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7Kwo4.A.hYG.hQhwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C44B0B.5ACE4ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan, I've tried to find ways of doing full compositions on-the-fly with the = RC-20, and it just wasn't happening, so ... I looked at the Boomerang and decided that the A-B thing didn't go far = enough for what I need to do, the sound quality might be iffy, there's = no undo, you can't store loops, etc. Some people are using several = RC-20s together, or an RC-20 and a Line 6 DL4 (I think), or a few DL4's. = I looked into those options, too, and decided they weren't for me. = Like you, I need to be able to create different parts (verses, choruses, = bridges and whatnot) and string them together, move back and forth = easily between them, build whole songs out of loops and store them. It = looks like the less-costly loopers can't really handle all these tasks = in combination, on-the-fly, but I could be wrong. =20 The Electrix Repeater (around $800 + on ebay, pretty rare), the EDP = ($800 + new, if you can get one--Gibson has problems), and the Jam Man = (also expensive and hard to find) are the major options for that kind of = flexibility. Joseph Arthur uses a Jam Man for whole songs with fairly = traditional arrangements. =20 Maybe someone else can point out another workable solution? Paula =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Some RC-20 Questions >I've been trying to work it out so that I can really loop on the fly = with the RC-20, but it's a bit--as they say--wack. I love it for = songwriting and sound collage work, though! So, maybe the RC-20 isn't the best tool to use for looping an = electric bass live? I want to be doing full compositions, solo jazz = stuff, and maybe even some standards. I've also been looking at the Boomerang because it looks to be the = simplest for playing live. I've heard mixed things about it's sound = though, and having no "undo" feature and only 2 loops could be limiting. I've never gotten to try a Jam Man, would it be better for what = I'm trying to do? Or maybe there's something else in that general price = range that I don't even know about. Any suggestions? Thanks! -Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C44B0B.5ACE4ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jonathan,
 
I've tried to find ways of doing full = compositions=20 on-the-fly with the RC-20, and it just wasn't happening, so = ...
 
I looked at the Boomerang and decided = that the A-B=20 thing didn't go far enough for what I need to do, the sound = quality might=20 be iffy, there's no undo, you can't store loops, etc.   = Some=20 people are using several RC-20s together, or an RC-20 and a = Line 6 DL4=20 (I think), or a few DL4's.  I looked into those options, too, and = decided=20 they weren't for me.  Like you, I need to be able = to create=20 different parts (verses, choruses, bridges and whatnot) and string = them=20 together, move back and forth easily between them, build whole songs out = of=20 loops and store them.  It looks like the less-costly loopers = can't=20 really handle all these tasks in combination, on-the-fly, but I could be = wrong. 
 
The Electrix Repeater (around $800 + on = ebay,=20 pretty rare), the EDP ($800 + new, if you can get one--Gibson has = problems), and=20 the Jam Man (also expensive and hard to find) are the major options=20 for that kind of flexibility.  Joseph Arthur uses a Jam = Man for=20 whole songs with fairly traditional arrangements.  =
 
Maybe someone else can point = out another=20 workable solution?
 
Paula
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 = 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Some RC-20 = Questions

>I've been trying to work it out = so that I can=20 really loop on the fly with the RC-20, but it's a bit--as they=20 say--wack.  I love it for songwriting and sound collage = work,=20 though!
 
    So, maybe the = RC-20 isn't the=20 best tool to use for looping an electric bass live?  I want to be = doing=20 full compositions, solo jazz stuff, and maybe even some=20 standards.
    I've also been = looking at the=20 Boomerang because it looks to be the simplest for playing live.  = I've=20 heard mixed things about it's sound though, and having no "undo" = feature and=20 only 2 loops could be limiting.
    I've never gotten = to try a Jam=20 Man, would it be better for what I'm trying to do?  Or maybe = there's=20 something else in that general price range that I don't even know = about. =20 Any suggestions?
    = Thanks!
   =20 -Jonathan
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C44B0B.5ACE4ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 15:29:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55JSNI02977; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200406051807.i55I7WM19774@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406051807.i55I7WM19774@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6ECCC03E-B726-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kflint@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #201 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:27:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, I've used a JamMan plenty. :) not used an Echoplex though, so maybe I don't really understand the difference between the two boxes. I guess what I was getting at with that comparison is that my plug-in doesn't do overdub/undo. cheers, os. On 5 Jun 2004, at 19:07, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 09:40 AM 6/5/2004, Os wrote: >> Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to >> the Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it >> essentially offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability >> to overdub and undo. > > from the feature list it doesn't sound even remotely like a JamMan. > (or Echoplex). It's an emulation of old tape and analog delays, which > is fine, but that is completely different from the JamMan. > > That statement kind of leaves me wondering if these guys know much > about looping. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 15:30:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55JTiK03599; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d04060511004ed5e4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <17B1529E-B70F-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> <6.1.0.6.2.20040605100727.04e2bf40@loopers-delight.com> <588ce11d04060511004ed5e4e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:29:25 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-05, at 20.00, Art Simon wrote: > Boy, I'd sure like to see someone who did > know a lot about looping write a killer VST looping plug-in. Yeah, me too! If someone is interested I published a document called "Wishlist for a software looping plug-in" at http://www.looproom.com/wishlist.htm. It's just a personal summing up of discussions I have had with different developers about features and looper functions. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 16:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55KCbR15421; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Full Compositions with Loopers Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:12:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001d01c44b2c$e28e0920$9ff6ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> Thread-Index: AcRLLUGiFhNp/YRcTyijHAqq1u/F5gACsNgA Message-Id: <20040605201222.JPCT20703.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am omitting the previous entries on this thread. I have some experience with the tools listed (Jamman, EDP, DL4, RC-20, Repeater, not the Boomerang tho). Only the EDP and the Repeater gave me the flexibility to do what I wanted without compromise. I had a Repeater for an afternoon--until I discovered the dry signal latency--that killed it for me. I like the RC for what it is--and the DL4 too is very cool for what it does. The problem has to do with trying to create the structure of existing songs, rather than simply improvising. I even rehearsed with a Jamman and Cakewalk (a sequencer) to make it happen--but until I got an EDP, I was very limited. I had to sell one of my two EDPs recently, but that seemed to be the way for me to go--loop percussion on one, then record sections on the other EDP to create, oh say, Layla . . . Now strictly speaking, if I just use acoustic guitar and voice, I can use the RC or the DL4 to make it happen--loop shorter sections of tunes to solo over, and avoid the whole "live sequencing" requirement"--but what am I, chicken? 8^) So my vote goes for the EDP, soon (?) to be available . . Or maybe the new Live4? Hmm . . . . Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 16:43:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55KgFZ20429; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:42:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:42:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: OT: Mark's missing from PS Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:41:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c44b3d$6d157eb0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <21DE5BFB-B71F-11D8-B5E9-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7Buzd.A.S9E.AAjwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg... Just curious...I got used to seeing your name pop up on the Photoshop splash screen...I use that proggie extensively everyday in my day job. Seems to be missing in CS. Are you still with Adobe? Best, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 17:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55LSWw28522; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406051807.i55I7WM19774@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406051807.i55I7WM19774@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <38D8F0FE-B737-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:28:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <_38uSB.A.58G.prjwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, from the various mails I've had about this in the meantime, it seems I really know jack sh*t about the Jamman or the Echoplex! :) Sorry for any confusion. Comparisons aside, I'd like to think I've created something that will be useful to loopers in its own right. If you're lucky, you might get to hear it in action at the Cambridge Loopfest that I'm organising later this month. cheers, os. On 5 Jun 2004, at 19:07, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 09:40 AM 6/5/2004, Os wrote: >> Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to >> the Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it >> essentially offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability >> to overdub and undo. > > from the feature list it doesn't sound even remotely like a JamMan. > (or Echoplex). It's an emulation of old tape and analog delays, which > is fine, but that is completely different from the JamMan. > > That statement kind of leaves me wondering if these guys know much > about looping. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 18:56:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55Mthd10821; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:55:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:55:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1775341A-B629-11D8-B92D-00039383F742@sccadv.com> References: <1775341A-B629-11D8-B92D-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:49:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Heel-Toe A-B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:14 AM -0500 6/4/04, Jeff Evans wrote: >This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch >that works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would >be pretty handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in >the heel position, and the B output in the toe position, with a >blend in between - and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. You could modify a stereo pedal to do that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 19:03:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55N38W13625; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:03:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:03:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <17B1529E-B70F-11D8-8990-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> <6.1.0.6.2.20040605100727.04e2bf40@loopers-delight.com> <588ce11d04060511004ed5e4e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:06:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2004 23:02:43.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[3543DA90:01C44B51] Resent-Message-ID: <1MV2NB.A.8TD.YElwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone here think there would be a market for a VST electrix repeater emulation? Jon > > Boy, I'd sure like to see someone who did > > know a lot about looping write a killer VST looping plug-in. > > Yeah, me too! If someone is interested I published a document called > "Wishlist for a software looping plug-in" at > http://www.looproom.com/wishlist.htm. It's just a personal summing up > of discussions I have had with different developers about features and > looper functions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 19:09:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55N9BA14646; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:08:58 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: msottilaro > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:20:24 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fuzz > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:58 -0400 > > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. > Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your > favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? > Is the line6 modeler any good? > > Mark > hi yall- jus had to eventually reply to this here- as a guitarer i have to say-i luv fuzztones and overdrive pedals. they just make the hair on the back of my neck(where most of hair is located these days!) stand up real good and thats cool... here are some of my pedals lyin around the (and they all still work and get used at one time er 'nother...) in no particular order: Guyatone HD2 Boss DF-2 2 Prescription Electronics Experience pedals Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive Lovetone RingStinger Proco Rat(70s) Roger Mayer FuzzFace(70s) Arbiter FuzzFace(60s) Dunlop FuzzFace Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi(70s) Electro Harmonix GraphicFuzz(70s) TubeWorks BlueTube the list goes on... seeya -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 19:14:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i55ND5p15349; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:13:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:13:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40C25331.1010300@Verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:11:45 -0400 From: Dan Ash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060505040307020400010907" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [162.83.139.85] at Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:11:47 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060505040307020400010907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A stereo panning pedal will do this. This is the first one that came up on google: (RFX 412 Stereo Volume CV Pan Pedal). http://www.zzounds.com/item--RLLRFX412 Dan Ash Subject: RE: Heel-Toe A-B From: "matt davignon" Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:31:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I've never seen a heel-toe one, but some of the ones on the market can do A, B or Both De: Jeff Evans [SMTP:jeff@sccadv.com] Objet: Heel-Toe A-B Hello everyone, This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that=20 works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty=20 handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel=20 position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between=20 - and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. --------------060505040307020400010907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A stereo panning pedal will do this.

This is the first one that came up on google: (RFX 412 Stereo Volume CV Pan Pedal).

http://www.zzounds.com/item--RLLRFX412

Dan Ash

Subject:
RE: Heel-Toe A-B
From:
"matt davignon" <mattdavignon@hotmail.com>
Date:
Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:31:25 -0700
To:
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I've never seen a heel-toe one, but some of the ones on the market can do A, B or Both

De:    Jeff Evans [SMTP:jeff@sccadv.com]
Objet:    Heel-Toe A-B

Hello everyone,

This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that=20
works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be pretty=20
handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the heel=20
position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in between=20
- and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. --------------060505040307020400010907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 20:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i560REc31358; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:26:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1C4eGB.A.GpH.QTmwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Stano! how do ya like that there Sparkle Drive? Also, you'll be happy to know that I've sold my Pod Pro and gone back to using the Groove Tubes Trio, which I never sold, thank god. And you can say I told you so! Ha Ha. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a fan of modeling, My god the new floor pedal from vox is awesome, its just that after playing with them side by side in the studio (GT Trio and Pod Pro) I realized how much sound and feel had been missing. I will say this, owning a pod inspired my to buy both a small fender amp, and a small vox amp, and I may again buy a modeling amp. For now I've gone back to tubes and stomp boxes. Bill -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:09 PM To: Loop Folk Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz > From: msottilaro > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:20:24 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fuzz > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:58 -0400 > > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. > Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your > favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? > Is the line6 modeler any good? > > Mark > hi yall- jus had to eventually reply to this here- as a guitarer i have to say-i luv fuzztones and overdrive pedals. they just make the hair on the back of my neck(where most of hair is located these days!) stand up real good and thats cool... here are some of my pedals lyin around the (and they all still work and get used at one time er 'nother...) in no particular order: Guyatone HD2 Boss DF-2 2 Prescription Electronics Experience pedals Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive Lovetone RingStinger Proco Rat(70s) Roger Mayer FuzzFace(70s) Arbiter FuzzFace(60s) Dunlop FuzzFace Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi(70s) Electro Harmonix GraphicFuzz(70s) TubeWorks BlueTube the list goes on... seeya -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 20:38:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i560bb500523; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:37:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:37:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000001c44b27$b378c260$6401a8c0@athlon1700> References: <000001c44b27$b378c260$6401a8c0@athlon1700> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DB1E846-B751-11D8-B5EF-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: tc 2290 series vs. parallel Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:36:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i560b8h00402 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 5, 2004, at 1:05 PM, Mike wrote: > I am new to the world of looping, though very much interested in > getting started.  I recently purchased (2) TC 2290s both with PROM > v.30.12 with Stereo Sampling, FastTrig, and 32sec delay upgrades.  do you mind if i ask how? like ... how? a TC2290 with the memory upgrade is rarer than a Buchla 200 i'm sure. i never bought them because the EDP being 700 dollars is too expensive, and i don't need to _completely_ duplicate Bob's rack ( i already have an Eventide H3000SE, and want a second one). > I have reviewed some of Fripp’s set-ups and it at one time he used (2) > 2290s in series on the left channel paralleled with (2) 2290s on the > right channel.  I am interested in how the specific series connections > are made and whether the series configuration can give me a 64sec loop > in stereo.  Also, this will allow me to use the stereo effects, i.e. > stereo panning. i have no idea how the TC stereo effects work when in master/slave mode. however, the way that Bob claims he uses 64 seconds of delay is by running the 2290s at half-speed sometimes. i'll bet most of the time they're at a full 1mhz sampling rate, though. the reason he uses 4 of them is to have 2 independent stereo loops. he never used them in serial. however, if John Sinks would like to take issue with that statement, i will retract it. :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 22:44:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i562ha525928; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:46:50 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Heel-Toe A-B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40C2859A.7070709@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > This may be a silly question, but does anyone make an a-b switch that > works like a volume pedal - with heel-toe operation? It would be > pretty handy to have the pedal send a signal to the A output in the > heel position, and the B output in the toe position, with a blend in > between - and perhaps a soft notch in the middle for both. my morley volume-panner pedal does this. no center notch. tho'. shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 22:46:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5626WB20740; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406052314.i55NEGw15600@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406052314.i55NEGw15600@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-806079915 Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:04:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-16-806079915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Not if you had to pay fair-market price for all the work they'd have to put into it... TravisH On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Jon Wagner" > Date: June 5, 2004 4:06:49 PM PDT > To: > Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released > > > Does anyone here think there would be a market for a VST electrix > repeater > emulation? > Jon --Apple-Mail-16-806079915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Not if you had to pay fair-market price for all the work they'd have to put into it... TravisH On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: "Jon Wagner" < 0000,0000,0000Date: June 5, 2004 4:06:49 PM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Does anyone here think there would be a market for a VST electrix repeater emulation? 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Recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 5 23:20:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i563JKv00896; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:19:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: new looping plug-in released Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c44b74$ebc48170$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C44B3A.3F65A970" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C44B3A.3F65A970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed. What I'm hoping for is that someone, somehow, can support the software and develop it further. That machine got cut off at the knees in it's infancy. I have one, and keep hoping (perhaps foolishly). rich >Not if you had to pay fair-market price for all the work they'd have to put into it... TravisH >Does anyone here think there would be a market for a VST electrix repeater emulation? Jon ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C44B3A.3F65A970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agreed.  What I’m hoping for is = that someone, somehow, can support the software and develop it further.  That machine got cut off at the = knees in it’s infancy.  I have one, and keep hoping = (perhaps foolishly).

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rich

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>Not if you had to pay fair-market price for all the work they'd have to put = into it...

TravisH

>Does = anyone here think there would be a market for a VST electrix repeater
emulation?
Jon

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C44B3A.3F65A970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 01:01:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5650vl24117; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:00:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:00:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Ed Levy" To: Subject: Casio SK-1 question Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <00b501c44b83$3b88da40$6701a8c0@DBCGKT11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This isn't really a looping question but does anybody know whether/how you can turn off the rhythm in chord mode on a Casio SK-1? TIA, Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 01:50:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i565njm30890; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:49:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:49:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:53:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree. Speaking of modelers and tubes AND looping, the Vox Tonelab SE RULES. 8 second looper, real 12ax7 valve and a number of fuzzbox emulations that are pretty good. It's the only modeler I tried that really felt like you had a bunch of stomp boxes hooked to a nice old tube amp. One weird thing about it is when I got it it was set to "amp" out (expecting to see a guitar amp) so I switched it to "Line" for my mixer. I had this ugly high end on a lot of the patches I couldn't seem to dial out. (think David Torn) I almost took it back but I kept thinking it sounded great at first... oh yeah, that was when it was set to Amp out. At first it sounded like everything was covered by a wet blanket, but after a bit of tweaking the treble and presence viola! Really sweet sounds *and* I got the buzzsaw synth fuzzbox tone I was looking for. (I wasn't getting them in the "Line" out setting, so that's why I posted this topic in the first place) Another great thing about this box is the delays react like an old Digitech 8000. When you tweak the delay time you get all kinds of beautiful madness. Good times. Same holds true for the other effects as well. I'm going to make a recording with it tomorrow and I'll post the results. Mark On Jun 5, 2004, at 5:26 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Stano! how do ya like that there Sparkle Drive? Also, you'll be > happy > to know that I've sold my Pod Pro and gone back to using the Groove > Tubes > Trio, which I never sold, thank god. And you can say I told you so! Ha > Ha. > Don't get me wrong, I'm still a fan of modeling, My god the new floor > pedal > from vox is awesome, its just that after playing with them side by > side in > the studio (GT Trio and Pod Pro) I realized how much sound and feel > had been > missing. I will say this, owning a pod inspired my to buy both a small > fender amp, and a small vox amp, and I may again buy a modeling amp. > For now > I've gone back to tubes and stomp boxes. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 02:14:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i566E1G05607; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c44b8d$54ece620$4cb21345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:13:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Mark S. and Chillyman... I'm wondering if you can attach either of the expeds on the new Vox Floor modeler to those delay params you're talking about? Possibly sweep delay time and get foot control of the doppler/glissing stuff? Can you patch more than one param to each pedal? The more I hear about this unit, the more I'm ready to pop for one. FUZZ: Yep... I'm a total addict. Currently I'm down to just my old Prescription Experience and a GT-5, but ones lying around I really like are my Boss BD-2 and OD2r, Very old but clean EH Big Muff, Lovetone Big Cheese. I had the Fulldrive 2, but after getting the Boss BD-2 I can't go back. The BD-2 can sound really warm, but still has the ability to get a real full-range grind. I find light overdrive into my Experience really helps it's sound as well. Cheers, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz > I agree. Speaking of modelers and tubes AND looping, the Vox Tonelab > SE RULES. 8 second looper, real 12ax7 valve and a number of fuzzbox > emulations that are pretty good. It's the only modeler I tried that > really felt like you had a bunch of stomp boxes hooked to a nice old > tube amp. > > One weird thing about it is when I got it it was set to "amp" out > (expecting to see a guitar amp) so I switched it to "Line" for my > mixer. I had this ugly high end on a lot of the patches I couldn't > seem to dial out. (think David Torn) I almost took it back but I kept > thinking it sounded great at first... oh yeah, that was when it was set > to Amp out. At first it sounded like everything was covered by a wet > blanket, but after a bit of tweaking the treble and presence viola! > Really sweet sounds *and* I got the buzzsaw synth fuzzbox tone I was > looking for. (I wasn't getting them in the "Line" out setting, so > that's why I posted this topic in the first place) > > Another great thing about this box is the delays react like an old > Digitech 8000. When you tweak the delay time you get all kinds of > beautiful madness. Good times. Same holds true for the other effects > as well. > > I'm going to make a recording with it tomorrow and I'll post the > results. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 02:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i566Xjw11474; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike" To: Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c44b90$0ceae130$6401a8c0@athlon1700> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <8ROfUB.A.PvC.CqrwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to use quite regularly (and still do occasionally) an MXR Distortion + that yields some nice thick distortion tones. Currently, I rely on the natural tube tones from my Mesa Rectifier Recording Preamp. I also have an old EH Wah Muff Fuzz pedal that produces more of a fuzz sound than the MXR, more like Hendrix, though not nearly as thick, in fact, it is rather thin. My favorite OD/Sustain pedal is the aNaLoGmAn BiCompROSSor, which is a boutique combination of the Ross Compressor and the Orange Juicer. True bypass and very clean. Mike Piera of aNaLoGmAn.com also builds and mods Tube Screamers that rock. Mike -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:09 PM To: Loop Folk Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz > From: msottilaro > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:20:24 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fuzz > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:58 -0400 > > We all love it, right? Of course! Every now and then I yearn for my > old Ibanez Tube Screamer. Thick distorted creamy synth-like tone. > Warm and tube like? NOPE. I'm talking solid state. What's your > favorite fuzz box to put in front of your looper (or after) and why? > Is the line6 modeler any good? > > Mark > hi yall- jus had to eventually reply to this here- as a guitarer i have to say-i luv fuzztones and overdrive pedals. they just make the hair on the back of my neck(where most of hair is located these days!) stand up real good and thats cool... here are some of my pedals lyin around the (and they all still work and get used at one time er 'nother...) in no particular order: Guyatone HD2 Boss DF-2 2 Prescription Electronics Experience pedals Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive Lovetone RingStinger Proco Rat(70s) Roger Mayer FuzzFace(70s) Arbiter FuzzFace(60s) Dunlop FuzzFace Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi(70s) Electro Harmonix GraphicFuzz(70s) TubeWorks BlueTube the list goes on... seeya -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 03:55:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i567shn26838; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:54:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <005b01c44b8d$54ece620$4cb21345@Biffoz> References: <005b01c44b8d$54ece620$4cb21345@Biffoz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <38D1295A-B78F-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:57:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <7zW6wB.A.piG.t2swAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 5, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Miko Biffle wrote: > > Hey there Mark S. and Chillyman... > > I'm wondering if you can attach either of the expeds on the new Vox > Floor > modeler to those delay params you're talking about? Possibly sweep > delay > time and get foot control of the doppler/glissing stuff? Yes. > Can you patch more > than one param to each pedal? The more I hear about this unit, the > more I'm > ready to pop for one. I think it's one perimeter per pedal, but it's fully midi controllable as well. I'll check that again tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it is. >> I'm going to make a recording with it tomorrow and I'll post the >> results. >> >> Mark I highly suggest getting this at a place that allows you to return it if you don't like it. I did a lot of tweaking to get it's "sweet" spot. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it, I think my sound is better than ever and I've freed up 2 spaces in my rack (Digitech 2120 Tube-pre/multieffects). I'm doing it by running it contrary to the manufacture's suggestion. Others are using an eq pedal to get the same end effect. Some seem to like their guitar having a response into the 20khz range. I don't. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 04:34:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i568XWn09556; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 04:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 04:33:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040606092142.027f6710@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:29:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #202 In-Reply-To: <200406052314.i55NEG815599@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406052314.i55NEG815599@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 00:14 06/06/04, you wrote: >>At 09:40 AM 6/5/2004, Os wrote: >>>Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to the >>>Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it essentially >>>offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability to overdub and undo. >> >>from the feature list it doesn't sound even remotely like a JamMan. (or >>Echoplex). It's an emulation of old tape and analog delays, which is >>fine, but that is completely different from the JamMan. hi Os It looks like a nice bit of kit. ...but the webpage makes no mention of any ability to tap in a delay time, or to tap to start and end record. However, you get the option to change playback speed, that's a feature that a lot of people will be interested in. ... hey... a whole hour of looptime ! ...and mac only :-( andy butler (pc only) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 06:26:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56AQ0802908; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:26:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:26:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c44bb0$a67ddc10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: FUZZ queery for Stan, the man-itarium Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:25:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You said you own all these great pedals, Stan. Guyatone HD2 Boss DF-2 2 Prescription Electronics Experience pedals Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive Lovetone RingStinger Proco Rat(70s) Roger Mayer FuzzFace(70s) Arbiter FuzzFace(60s) Dunlop FuzzFace Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi(70s) Electro Harmonix GraphicFuzz(70s) TubeWorks BlueTube Okay, babe................desert Island time................you can only take two fuzz/distortion/overdrive pedals to the island. Which two out of this list would you take and why (I just can't afford them all). yours, Rick ps your guitar tones at Loopstock were just pure heaven, bro!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 06:37:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56AZuq05953; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.4.251] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: totalrtt@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 10:35:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2004 10:35:43.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[051B65C0:01C44BB2] Resent-Message-ID: <7r0YdB.A.ScB.EOvwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI I would like to suscribe to your mailinng list. I play saxophone and make loops live with a Lexicon PCM 80, glide hall effects, and a volume pédal (0 to 127, footswitch1,2, and foot pédal). The machine is great but the tempo falll down quickly, even with the parameters at 0 ms. If there is one or more users of Lexicon, i would like to know how to fix the beat, i need some help. Perhaps I need another hardware stéréo loop machine. So what' new about that kind of machine, and what can be a good stéréo choice, with a nice sound, and good connections. My name is Daniel BROTHIER My adress : totalrtt@hotmail.com Thank's _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 : dialoguez en direct et gratuitement avec vos amis ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 06:39:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56Acsg06917; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:38:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.4.251] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: totalrtt@hotmail.com Subject: glide hall loop algorythm LEXICON PCM 80 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 10:38:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2004 10:38:36.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C3856F0:01C44BB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, I try to find LEXICON pcm 80 user. I play alto and baritone saxophone with a DJ who mix two turntables.We do live electronic set. I don't use other computer for that gig's. I send the saxophone sounds in a Lexicon PCM 80 with 1.1 system, and in a korg synthetiseur MS 20, with the aux 1 an 2 of a Mackie 16 02 mix table . For that i play in a microphone, then with the aux 1, i send the sound to the korg and with the aux 2, to the Lexicon. I use an ernie ball volume pédal to control the sound in the MS 20. I use an ernie ball volume pédal to control the midi parameters inside the PCM 80. I bllow in saxophones and i move the pédals. Inside the Lexicon the midi tips in the control page is set up with footswitch1 ,footswitch2, and foot pédal.The volume pédal is connected with two stéréo cables outside the pédal, an one stéréo cable in the PCM in the foot-controler enter. I program the first line inside the pro mode of the lexicon with, for exemple : Source : footswitch 1 Destination : Mid Rt 0 : 0,25 ms 127 : 45 sec AND IT WORKS with the volume pédal. When i play loops with the algorythm Glide hall, the tempo problem occur. The tempo falll down quickly, with feedback at 100 percent and with all the parameters at 0 ms in all the glide hall line. I catch four or eight times of saxophone sounds, and after four turns the tempo fall down, dramma with the DJ !! Just for exemple : source : footswitch 1 destination : feedback 0 : 10 % 127 : 100 % Do you have any solution ? Do you know another one algorythm who do the loops ? Perhaps I need another hardware STEREO loop machine to have precise live loops. So what' new about that kind of machine, and what can be a good stéréo choice, with a nice sound, and good connections. does somebody use the Numark 5000 FX for looping ? Daniel totalrtt@hotmail.com Thank's for your answering. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : un compte GRATUIT qui vous suit partout et tout le temps ! http://g.msn.fr/FR1000/9493 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 06:39:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56AdAe07064; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c44bb2$7c82df30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:39:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really enjoying Live 3.0 (and about to get Live 4.0) and am planning on starting to use it in my live shows (along with my beloved EDP, Repeater and Line 6 DL4s), hopefully by Y2K4 in October. Ableton, unfortunately has not fixed the 'first loop' capability, which means one still has to have a prerecorded loop in the program to play live. Dave Hill, Jr., the really helpful Public Media and Artist Relations Manager for Ableton says they are seriously looking at that capability and sent me these two live work arounds for the time being. Because I have stopped doing gigs for a period of time (I toured and performed incessantly in the last 18 months and want some time off to write my next CD) I haven't tried these out yet, but they look good: I wanted to share them with you all. Option A - First Loop ambient style: 1. Set Live's Global Quantization to "None" 2. Set every track to record the same input and activate record. 3. With MIDI pedal, start recording your first clip (record the loop) and then again hit the same button to stop recording your clip. 4. Repeat for each track, build as many loops as you like. Your entire performance will be out of sync/ tempo from Live's host clock, but that would be the same as any other machine including the echoplex, boomerang, etc. right? Option B - First Loop locked in time Open Live's preferences, Audio Tab and leave Global quantization to bar or 2 bars. 1. Route outputs 1 and 2 to your headphone/cue output (providing you don't min wearing headphones). 2. Route outputs 3 and 4 to main output. 3, Then use a pre-made loop or Live's simple click (which can be adjusted to sound like anything you like, and any time signature you like). 4. Record clips to the click in real-time. I can capture a first loop with either of these options. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 07:32:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56BW2w24079; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <007a01c44bb2$7c82df30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007a01c44bb2$7c82df30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1373147C-B7AD-11D8-80E6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:31:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-06, at 12.39, loop.pool wrote: > Dave Hill, Jr., the really helpful Public Media and Artist Relations > Manager > for Ableton says they are seriously looking at that capability and > sent me > these two live work arounds for the time being. > If that would have been true a "1 st Loop capture" ability should have been part of Live 4.0 update. This matter has been discussed at the Live forum all since the release of version 3.0. Probably Ableton are forced to list it a second priority because of the estimated low number of interested users (compared to those who need "bang-a-way-beats" MPC-like functions). After all not many users start our with an empty canvas, usually they go from pre-recorded stuff and use Live more like "a live mixing performance tool" than "a live looping performance tool". All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 08:35:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56CYVZ03999; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 14:40:46 +0200 Subject: Re: tc 2290 series vs. parallel From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: ZeIT96ZcYe+h6WCmfB0HXta1Hi+ACZJLoy8Sg9VHoJ2u+4jig6ZToJ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Him as far as the integrety of the original (guitar) signal when in series operation, the tc 2290 is really, really transparent and noise free in that respect. Much better than the present day tc stuff due to top quality VCA's, better IMO than any lexicon stuff. So, under this aspect you could a rig in series a shot. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 09:13:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56DCXm14727; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <024B556D-B7BB-11D8-BC3E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: EDP Pro on eBay (not mine) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:11:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <6pKAN.A.phD.9fxwAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed this on eBay--foot controller included: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=23790&item=3728794629&rd=1 TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 09:21:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56DKn916403; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:20:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:20:35 -0700 Message-Id: <4B5F4A4C-B7BC-11D8-BC3E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-Id: <1FCE26F1-B7BC-11D8-BC3E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle) (Modified by Travis Hartnett) Resent-From: Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:19:22 -0700 To: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Acoustic guitar Live Looping! Three chances this week, including a new venue (for me) in Woodinville: Tuesday, June 8, 8PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) Friday, June 11, 7PM Flip Side Coffeehouse, (3317 NE 175th St. --->Woodinville) Saturday, June 12, 8PM Stuff Cafe (4216 6th Ave. NW) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 09:39:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56Dd3U19157; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:39:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406060755.i567tQv26953@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406060755.i567tQv26953@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: new looping plug-in released Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:38:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i56Dclh19113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I wouldn't be surprised if the rights to that code are tied up in > legalities, but I'm afraid it's one of those cases where it's > obviously worth something, but not worth the effort and expense. > Especially when you take into account that the plugin would be > pirated--a problem you don't have with a hardware/software > combination. And, even if it was released for development, I could > see some problems with reliability on the near-infinite variety of > PC's that it might be run on. Even the Repeater, with a dedicated, > custom hardware platform had problems keeping everything running > smoothly if you didn't have the right CFC card. The Repeater was a > complex unit, and (sadly) modeling it in software with all of the > original features just might not be an option. TravisH > > From: "the toy room" > Date: June 5, 2004 8:18:20 PM PDT > To: > Subject: RE: new looping plug-in released > > > Agreed.  What I’m hoping for is that someone, somehow, can support the > software and develop it further.  That machine got cut off at the > knees in it’s infancy.  I have one, and keep hoping (perhaps > foolishly). > >   > > rich > >   > > >Not if you had to pay fair-market price for all the work they'd have > to put into it... > > TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 12:19:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56GI0K26847; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <192.2a93831c.2df49d9f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:17:35 EDT Subject: RE: Casio SK-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3RLYaC.A.2iG.qO0wAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/5/04 10:00:53 PM, edlevy@comcast.net writes: << anybody know whether/how you can turn off the rhythm in chord mode on a Casio SK-1? >> Hi I don't think you can but here is a link for the manual: http://www.loudsound.com/casio/sk1.cfm This site has some links: http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/CASIOSK1.cfm regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 12:24:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56GNGh27769; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Where do all the loopers on this list reside? (web survey?) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:22:51 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c44be2$83f8f6c0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4B5F4A4C-B7BC-11D8-BC3E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone done a statistical break-down of where all the loopers on this list reside? Perhaps a web-survey and report of some sort would suffice, one that asks for city, state/country, phone number or email, etc...and then a graph chart that shows the population stats. There must be something free out there that can do this. I'm curious, especially if I'm traveling on business and want to look someone up to collaborate with or see them play. I think there are more opportunities to tighten up this community beyond email and a few major events a year. Also, can the administrator of the group create a public calendar where everyone can enter their gig dates? The emails are nice, but it would be ideal to see all of this in one location. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 12:25:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56GOwg28131; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <002401c44be2$c38e1fe0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: behringer mixer Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:24:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C44BF3.869515B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C44BF3.869515B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, Im looking for a small mixer for my Looper/Effects Setup. I also would = like to loop the other musicians in the band. I own a Mackie 1604 which is great. But I would like to buy a = small/cheap mixer in addition to that. It doesnt have to be a studio quality mixer and in Germany Behringer is = unbelievable cheap. But Im not really sure about the quality. How can the produce a unit for = that price ??? What is your experience ? Thanks alot! Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C44BF3.869515B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C44BF3.869515B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 12:48:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56GlVm32139; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Looped Music to Micro-Organism Videos Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:46:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c44be5$d9705c30$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <192.2a93831c.2df49d9f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Fellow Loopers - I may be collaborating with a science fiction writer this summer to produce a multimedia DVD that integrates micro-organism videos, excerpts from my new CD, and Lovecraftian inspired horror/sci-fi narrations. I'd like to solicit your review and feedback on two prototype samples, which don't include the narrations yet. Incidentally, I obtained both of these bizarre creatures in a pond near my neighborhood. One is a microscopic flatworm. The other is still unidentified....they were both willing to "pose" under by USB enabled microscope! Remember this the next time you go wading. They're waiting for you....[sinister laugh] ;) Scorpio http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Scorpio-Hemi sphere.wmv A Most Peculiar Worm http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/primordial_s oup.wmv Both videos run a little larger at my videos page: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm Cheers, Kris Hartung Info@krispenhartung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 13:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56HfDM17242; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:41:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040606173954.35044.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: behringer mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c44be2$c38e1fe0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the MXB1002 (check out the included link below), and I absolutely love it. I don't own anything better to compare it to, but it's been flawless for my use (battery powered location recording & for a live band mix straight to CD-R). The only drawbacks are slight--batteries only last a few (literally!) hours before the meters start to dim, and the phantom power is weak. It does work (I've successfully used it on my inexpensive Carvin condenser mic as well as my Tech 21 Bass Driver DI, but it doesn't supply enough power to actually light the LED on the DI) though. And it's relatively small, though I think it would be great if Behringer offered other smaller mixers with battery power, also. I've also owned another Behringer mixer (I THINK it was the UB1204), and I currently own the four channel compressor, and both worked very well for me. Matt Herman http://www.funender.com/music/herman http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040606103009064132000250995011/g=live/search/detail/base_id/54496 --- Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, > > Im looking for a small mixer for my Looper/Effects > Setup. I also would like to loop the other musicians > in the band. > I own a Mackie 1604 which is great. But I would like > to buy a small/cheap mixer in addition to that. > It doesnt have to be a studio quality mixer and in > Germany Behringer is unbelievable cheap. > But Im not really sure about the quality. How can > the produce a unit for that price ??? > What is your experience ? Thanks alot! > > Greetings Jens. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 14:03:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56I32125255; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002401c44be2$c38e1fe0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> References: <002401c44be2$c38e1fe0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: behringer mixer Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:02:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i56I2Th25181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jens, I have a little Behringer Eurorack 1604A . It's ok for live work but for recording I really can not stand its bad sound. Can be mounted on top of a gator case but even that is too big for my recent taste (laptop looping age coming closer for every month) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-06-06, at 18.24, Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, >   > Im looking for a small mixer for my Looper/Effects Setup. I also would > like to loop the other musicians in the band. > I own a Mackie 1604 which is great. But I would like to buy a > small/cheap mixer in addition to that. > It doesnt have to be a studio quality mixer and in Germany Behringer > is unbelievable cheap. > But Im not really sure about the quality. How can the produce a unit > for that price ??? > What is your experience ? Thanks alot! >   > Greetings Jens. >   From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 14:24:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56INgc28703; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c44bf3$5cacc860$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <002401c44be2$c38e1fe0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Subject: Re: behringer mixer Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:23:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C44BB8.A728C870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <907GqB.A.y_G.dE2wAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C44BB8.A728C870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have about half-a-dozen Behringer mixers ranging from their tiny = 5-channel to their 12-channel and everything in between. I think they're = great. We use them in my studio mostly for headphone mixes but we also = use one for our playback monitors. I haven't had a single failure with = one and they are extremely quiet. I don't know why they are so cheap but = it is probably partially because you are not paying for some big name. = In fact, the name you are paying for is known for inexpensive audio = gear. Plus, they probably make a higher quantity of these mixers which = will generally drive the prices down. In terms of quality for the price, it probably just comes down to the = fact (as I see it) that good audio circuitry and parts are just not = expensive anymore. A $3 potentiameter might be as good as a $20 one from = 10 years go. That's just a guesstimate, of course. Think about how much = CD-ROM burners cost 10 years go. $500 to $1000. Now, you can get a = better one for $50. Audio technology improves over time just as = everything else does. I also use one of their dual channel tube pre-amps and a 4-channel = direct box and they seem to be very well made, sturdy, quiet, and = reliable. Sure, I could pay more do better. You can always do better. = You can always pay more and get better sound and quality but if you = can't tell the difference between an $80 Behringher and one twice the = price, why pay more? Note that I haven't done any side-by-side A-B tests or anything like = that. When I got my first behringer, I did some recordings with and = without it and I didn't notice any significant difference in the noise = level between the two. They seem to have a lot of headroom too. If they = do impact the sound in a negative way, I haven't noticed it. We have a Leo's Pro Audio in Oakland, California. Many times I've = perused their mixers and their salespeople have never tried to upsell me = to a Mackie or anything else. This is a place that sells $2000 = microphone pre-amps and $3000 microphones. I'm sure that if they had a = negative opinion of Behringer gear, they would use it to try to make = more money. It would be interesting for one of us to do a test by recording an audio = signal direct and one through a Behringer mixer and have a 3rd party do = a blind A-B test. - Dave Im looking for a small mixer for my Looper/Effects Setup. I also would = like to loop the other musicians in the band. I own a Mackie 1604 which is great. But I would like to buy a = small/cheap mixer in addition to that. It doesnt have to be a studio quality mixer and in Germany Behringer = is unbelievable cheap. But Im not really sure about the quality. How can the produce a unit = for that price ??? What is your experience ? Thanks alot! ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C44BB8.A728C870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have about half-a-dozen Behringer = mixers ranging=20 from their tiny 5-channel to their 12-channel and everything in between. = I think=20 they're great. We use them in my studio mostly for = headphone mixes but=20 we also use one for our playback monitors. I haven't had a single = failure=20 with one and they are extremely quiet. I don't know why they are so = cheap but it=20 is probably partially because you are not paying for some big name. In = fact, the=20 name you are paying for is known for inexpensive audio gear. Plus, they = probably=20 make a higher quantity of these mixers which will generally drive the = prices=20 down.
 
In terms of quality for the price, it = probably just=20 comes down to the fact (as I see it) that good audio circuitry and parts = are=20 just not expensive anymore. A $3 potentiameter might be as good as a $20 = one=20 from 10 years go. That's just a guesstimate, of course. Think about how = much=20 CD-ROM burners cost 10 years go. $500 to $1000. Now, you can get a = better one=20 for $50. Audio technology improves over time just as everything else=20 does.
 
I also use one of their dual channel = tube pre-amps=20 and a 4-channel direct box and they seem to be very well made, sturdy, = quiet,=20 and reliable. Sure, I could pay more do better. You can always do = better. You=20 can always pay more and get better sound and quality but if you can't = tell the=20 difference between an $80 Behringher and one twice the price, why pay=20 more?
 
Note that I haven't done any = side-by-side A-B tests=20 or anything like that. When I got my first behringer, I did some = recordings with=20 and without it and I didn't notice any significant difference in the = noise level=20 between the two. They seem to have a lot of headroom too. If they do = impact the=20 sound in a negative way, I haven't noticed it.
 
We have a Leo's Pro Audio in Oakland, = California.=20 Many times I've perused their mixers and their salespeople have never = tried to=20 upsell me to a Mackie or anything else. This is a place that sells $2000 = microphone pre-amps and $3000 microphones. I'm sure that if they had a = negative=20 opinion of Behringer gear, they would use it to try to make more=20 money.
 
It would be interesting for one of us = to do a test=20 by recording an audio signal direct and one through a Behringer mixer = and have a=20 3rd party do a blind A-B test.
 
- Dave
 
Im looking for a small mixer for my=20 Looper/Effects Setup. I also would like to loop the other musicians in = the=20 band.
I own a Mackie 1604 which is great. = But I would=20 like to buy a small/cheap mixer in addition to that.
It doesnt have to be a studio quality = mixer and=20 in Germany Behringer is unbelievable cheap.
But Im not really sure about the = quality. How can=20 the produce a unit for that price ???
What is your experience ? Thanks=20 alot!
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C44BB8.A728C870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 14:36:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56IZd330751; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040606092142.027f6710@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200406052314.i55NEG815599@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040606092142.027f6710@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #202 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:38:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No overdub? That renders it useless for me. I need to be able to toggle between record/play modes as much as I want with control of feedback % *like a Jamman*. Give me that and I'll buy this for sure. Give me a decay rate instead of feedback % and I'd be in heaven. Mark On Jun 6, 2004, at 1:29 AM, a k butler wrote: > At 00:14 06/06/04, you wrote: >>> At 09:40 AM 6/5/2004, Os wrote: >>>> Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer >>>> to the Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it >>>> essentially offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability >>>> to overdub and undo. >>> >>> from the feature list it doesn't sound even remotely like a JamMan. >>> (or Echoplex). It's an emulation of old tape and analog delays, >>> which is fine, but that is completely different from the JamMan. > > hi Os > > It looks like a nice bit of kit. > > ...but the webpage makes no mention of any ability to tap in a delay > time, > or to tap to start and end record. > > However, you get the option to change playback speed, that's a feature > that a lot of people will be interested in. > > ... hey... a whole hour of looptime ! > > ...and mac only :-( > > andy butler (pc only) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 15:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56J1ni03647; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:01:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <000b01c44be5$d9705c30$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <000b01c44be5$d9705c30$6401a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7300EBEC-B7EC-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Looped Music to Micro-Organism Videos Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:05:17 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm getting bad links, but I was able to get there on the videos.htm page. Cool stuff! How much was the USB microscope? Will it work with a Mac? I'm getting a great idea for live projection! Audience members can spit onto the slide and contribute! Mark On Jun 6, 2004, at 9:46 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello Fellow Loopers - > > I may be collaborating with a science fiction writer this summer to > produce a multimedia DVD that integrates micro-organism videos, > excerpts > from my new CD, and Lovecraftian inspired horror/sci-fi narrations. > > I'd like to solicit your review and feedback on two prototype samples, > which don't include the narrations yet. Incidentally, I obtained both > of these bizarre creatures in a pond near my neighborhood. One is a > microscopic flatworm. The other is still unidentified....they were both > willing to "pose" under by USB enabled microscope! Remember this the > next time you go wading. They're waiting for you....[sinister laugh] > ;) > > Scorpio > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Scorpio- > Hemi > sphere.wmv > > A Most Peculiar Worm > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > primordial_s > oup.wmv > > Both videos run a little larger at my videos page: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris Hartung > Info@krispenhartung.com > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 15:09:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56J9G305406; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: behringer mixer Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:09:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c44bf9$bdfdc000$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44C02.1FC22800" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <002401c44be2$c38e1fe0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5U3TKB.A.cTB.Pv2wAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44C02.1FC22800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We use the small 4 & 6 channel Mic/line mixers for testing purposes, (PA systems etc.) and for the money I don't think they can be beaten. Sound quality seems good enough for our purpose and their 'silent input' circuitry is very good. I can't comment on how they may perform in a critical recording/live application though. The reason they are so cheap is that they rip off everyone else's designs and get them copied in China with very low R&D costs, (see the famous long-running case of Mackie vs Behringer). One of ours bares an uncanny resemblance to an Alesis model. So there is a moral angle to buying Behringer products :-) -----Original Message----- From: Jens Wolters [mailto:shocktone@gmx.de] Sent: 06 June 2004 17:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: behringer mixer Hi guys, Im looking for a small mixer for my Looper/Effects Setup. I also would like to loop the other musicians in the band. I own a Mackie 1604 which is great. But I would like to buy a small/cheap mixer in addition to that. It doesnt have to be a studio quality mixer and in Germany Behringer is unbelievable cheap. But Im not really sure about the quality. How can the produce a unit for that price ??? What is your experience ? Thanks alot! Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44C02.1FC22800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We use the small 4 & 6 channel = Mic/line mixers for testing purposes, (PA systems etc.) and for the money I = don’t think they can be beaten. Sound quality seems good enough for our = purpose and their ‘silent input’ circuitry is very good. I can’t comment = on how they may perform in a critical recording/live application = though.

The reason they are so cheap is = that they rip off everyone else’s designs and get them copied in China with very = low R&D costs, (see the famous long-running case of Mackie vs = Behringer). One of ours bares an uncanny resemblance to an Alesis model. =

So there is a moral angle to buying Behringer products J

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: Jens Wolters [mailto:shocktone@gmx.de]
Sent: 06 June 2004 = 17:25
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: behringer = mixer

 

Hi = guys,

 

Im looking for a small = mixer for my Looper/Effects Setup. I also would like to loop the other musicians in = the band.

I own a Mackie 1604 which = is great. But I would like to buy a small/cheap mixer in addition to = that.

It doesnt have to be a = studio quality mixer and in Germany Behringer is unbelievable = cheap.

But Im not really sure = about the quality. How can the produce a unit for that price = ???

What is your experience ? = Thanks alot!

 

Greetings = Jens.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C44C02.1FC22800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 15:11:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56JAhZ05675; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <003901c44bf9$c6399960$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: Ableton 4.0 ? When ? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:09:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C44C0A.895C0670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C44C0A.895C0670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, thanks alot for your info about the behringer mixer. Does anybody know = when Ableton 4.0 will be released ? Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C44C0A.895C0670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,
 
thanks alot for your info about the = behringer=20 mixer. Does anybody know when Ableton 4.0 will be released = ?
 
Greetings Jens.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C44C0A.895C0670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 15:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56JLeg07599; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:21:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040606122458.036c1710@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:28:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Where do all the loopers on this list reside? (web survey?) In-Reply-To: <000801c44be2$83f8f6c0$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <4B5F4A4C-B7BC-11D8-BC3E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <000801c44be2$83f8f6c0$6401a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:22 AM 6/6/2004, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Has anyone done a statistical break-down of where all the loopers on >this list reside? Perhaps a web-survey and report of some sort would >suffice, one that asks for city, state/country, phone number or email, >etc...and then a graph chart that shows the population stats. There must >be something free out there that can do this. I'm curious, especially if >I'm traveling on business and want to look someone up to collaborate >with or see them play. I think there are more opportunities to tighten >up this community beyond email and a few major events a year. > >Also, can the administrator of the group create a public calendar where >everyone can enter their gig dates? The emails are nice, but it would be >ideal to see all of this in one location. you might try visiting the Looper's Delight web site. We have a gig calendar section where you can post upcoming gigs and a profiles section with hundreds of looper profiles in it. http://www.loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 15:24:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56JODV08281; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looped Music to Micro-Organism Videos Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:23:54 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c44bfb$ce9f5700$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1086541875.40c350338adb4@www.correo.unam.mx> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i56JNvh08146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like the email server cut off the links. The last URL links to all of them: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm The microscope I used is the Skope by Boreal. The unit hooks up to my laptop via USB and comes with a software program for capturing both still and video input. Here is the link to the unit I purchased: http://www.boreal.com/ec/products/Display.cfm?categoryid=276772 (actually, my mother bought it for me for Christmas...she's a science teacher) Once I captured the video, I used the Roxio Easy Media Creator software to add the effects to the video, add the sound clip from my CD, convert to wmv, etc. That software is here: http://www.roxio.com For the actual music and looping, I used the following gear: - DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE software - Compaq Presario 2525US notebook - RNC 1773 Stereo Compressor - Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar (recorded direct) - Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler - Ernie Ball Stereo Volume/Pan pedal - Boss GT-3 Guitar Effect Processor Kris -----Original Message----- From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx [mailto:smaug@servidor.unam.mx] great, great GREAT STUFF!!!! thanx for the videos and thanx for the tip... I didn't know that the USB Microscope existed. just to keep this on topic tell us how you did the music on the films (gear, loopers, etc etc.) Andy. Mensaje citado por: Krispen Hartung : > Hello Fellow Loopers - > > I may be collaborating with a science fiction writer this summer to > produce a multimedia DVD that integrates micro-organism videos, > excerpts from my new CD, and Lovecraftian inspired horror/sci-fi > narrations. > > I'd like to solicit your review and feedback on two prototype samples, > which don't include the narrations yet. Incidentally, I obtained both > of these bizarre creatures in a pond near my neighborhood. One is a > microscopic flatworm. The other is still unidentified....they were > both willing to "pose" under by USB enabled microscope! Remember this > the next time you go wading. They're waiting for you....[sinister > laugh] > ;) > > Scorpio > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Scorpio-Hemi > sphere.wmv > > A Most Peculiar Worm > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/primordial_s > oup.wmv > > Both videos run a little larger at my videos page: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris Hartung > Info@krispenhartung.com > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 15:58:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56Jw5P16850; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200406061824.i56IOWC28831@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406061824.i56IOWC28831@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "loop.pool Walker/Loop.pooL" From: Os Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:57:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe it would be possible for my looping plug-in (Augustus Loop) to calculate a tempo and output it to the host, once the tap record process is complete... FWIW it's this kind of feature suggestion I'm really interested in discussing with you guys on this list. It's a bit of a does-one-thing-only plug-in right now, but as such it's a basis for more complex looping solutions. So if you have ideas, I'm very interested to discuss them & we'll see how we can shape the future of this software. cheers, os. PS that URL again: www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html :) On 6 Jun 2004, at 19:24, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I'm really enjoying Live 3.0 (and about to get Live 4.0) and am > planning on > starting to use it in my live shows (along with my beloved EDP, > Repeater and > Line 6 DL4s), hopefully by Y2K4 in October. Ableton, unfortunately has > not > fixed the 'first loop' capability, which means one still has to have > a prerecorded loop in the program to play live. > > Dave Hill, Jr., the really helpful Public Media and Artist Relations > Manager > for Ableton says they are seriously looking at that capability and > sent me > these two live work arounds for the time being. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 16:19:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56KIRa20599; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:18:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <38D1295A-B78F-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My experience with the new vox modeler was really limited to a demo by a Korg product specialist, though I have thouroughly checked out the other vox modeling amps. One thing the guy did demo was the expression pedal pitch bend capability that sound great. The guy was able to render some pretty convincing faux pedal steel licks using it. Whether or not you can assign any parameter,or multiples to a single pedal, is a question I can't answer. Sweeeet. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz On Jun 5, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Miko Biffle wrote: > > Hey there Mark S. and Chillyman... > > I'm wondering if you can attach either of the expeds on the new Vox > Floor > modeler to those delay params you're talking about? Possibly sweep > delay > time and get foot control of the doppler/glissing stuff? Yes. > Can you patch more > than one param to each pedal? The more I hear about this unit, the > more I'm > ready to pop for one. I think it's one perimeter per pedal, but it's fully midi controllable as well. I'll check that again tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it is. >> I'm going to make a recording with it tomorrow and I'll post the >> results. >> >> Mark I highly suggest getting this at a place that allows you to return it if you don't like it. I did a lot of tweaking to get it's "sweet" spot. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it, I think my sound is better than ever and I've freed up 2 spaces in my rack (Digitech 2120 Tube-pre/multieffects). I'm doing it by running it contrary to the manufacture's suggestion. Others are using an eq pedal to get the same end effect. Some seem to like their guitar having a response into the 20khz range. I don't. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 17:30:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56LJ8G05345; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 14:18:49 -0800 Subject: Re: FUZZ queery for Stan, the man-itarium From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005601c44bb0$a67ddc10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3V80RB.A.xQB.7o4wAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You said you own all these great pedals, Stan. > > > Guyatone HD2 > Boss DF-2 > 2 Prescription Electronics Experience pedals > Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive > Lovetone RingStinger > Proco Rat(70s) > Roger Mayer FuzzFace(70s) > Arbiter FuzzFace(60s) > Dunlop FuzzFace > Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi(70s) > Electro Harmonix GraphicFuzz(70s) > TubeWorks BlueTube > > > Okay, babe................desert Island time................you can only > take two fuzz/distortion/overdrive pedals to the island. > > Which two out of this list would you take and why (I just can't afford them > all). > > yours, Rick > > ps your guitar tones at Loopstock were just pure heaven, bro!!!! > thankyou mr. loopool for yer kind words- to the walker bros. well not to cop out on yer scenario rick, as long as i have my trustee w/ that 2nd channel-and some knob twiddlin i get clean boost, slight overdrive or ragin distortion-i dont need no stinkin pedals :-) but...for some just beautiful, fat, deep,dark fuzz i have found nothing that beats the- w/ those germanium transistors just a sizzlin...and since ivor arbiter sold his company to dallas musical instruments in '68(dallas-arbiter fuzzface) its just harder'n'hell to find these babees w/ original components. i feel very fortunate to be able to tap into the magic... s (and bill on that question about the -the literature talked about its ability to "combine crystal clean w/ an overdrive circuit that provides the same tone as vintage 808" i'm here to say it aint neccesarily so-havent heard the 808 come out of that box-now if it had two outs-clean and overdrive which you could then blend instead of it being internal, one knob...dream on). i use the sparkledrive as a simple clean boost and it works great-ferget the od.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 17:33:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56LWOD07751; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <003901c44bf9$c6399960$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> References: <003901c44bf9$c6399960$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton 4.0 ? When ? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:32:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i56LWGh07708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-06, at 21.09, Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, >   > thanks alot for your info about the behringer mixer. Does anybody know > when Ableton 4.0 will be released ? >   > Greetings Jens. Abe knows. Says july. A free beta is awaited for those who dare run unfinished code on their system. See Abe's web site for details. pboy ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 17:39:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56LcnT09011; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003901c44bf9$c6399960$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:38:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Ableton 4.0 ? When ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 PM +0200 6/6/04, Per Boysen wrote: >A free beta is awaited for those who dare run unfinished code on >their system. See Abe's web site for details. URL? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 17:43:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56LfXO09590; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200406062019.i56KJ7q20725@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406062019.i56KJ7q20725@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <33308650-B802-11D8-A757-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: msottilaro From: Os Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #202 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:40:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <5PIcPD.A.JUC.z94wAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, When I say 'no overdub' I really meant 'no undo'. With my plug-in you can toggle between record and play, except that it's implemented as a 'input level' control i.e. you can control the level of the input that gets fed into the loop. So set that to zero and you're just playing over your loop. There's a 'circuit diagram' in the manual if that makes it any clearer. You have control of feedback too. Can you explain what you mean by 'decay rate'? Chances are if it's just the same thing by a different name, I can add it very easily. thanks, os. On 6 Jun 2004, at 21:19, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > No overdub? That renders it useless for me. I need to be able to > toggle between record/play modes as much as I want with control of > feedback % *like a Jamman*. Give me that and I'll buy this for sure. > Give me a decay rate instead of feedback % and I'd be in heaven. > > Mark > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 17:45:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56LirR10438; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <003901c44bf9$c6399960$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton 4.0 ? When ? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:44:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-06, at 23.38, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:32 PM +0200 6/6/04, Per Boysen wrote: > >> A free beta is awaited for those who dare run unfinished code on >> their system. See Abe's web site for details. > > URL? Sorry, http://www.ableton.com/ look under "Pricing / Availability" per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 17:49:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56Lmon12344; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:48:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <003901c44bf9$c6399960$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <427CDFFB-B803-11D8-9F0E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton 4.0 ? When ? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:48:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-06, at 23.44, Per Boysen wrote: > On 2004-06-06, at 23.38, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >> At 11:32 PM +0200 6/6/04, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> A free beta is awaited for those who dare run unfinished code on >>> their system. See Abe's web site for details. >> >> URL? > > Sorry, http://www.ableton.com/ look under "Pricing / Availability" > > per Regarding the beta, I just remembered from reading their newsletter yesterday that it "will be available with the next newsletter". Those tend to come once a month. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 19:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56NE4302660; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:13:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: FUZZ queery for Stan, the man-itarium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >but...for some just beautiful, fat, deep,dark fuzz i have found nothing that >beats the- w/ those germanium transistors just a >sizzlin...and since ivor arbiter sold his company to dallas musical >instruments in '68(dallas-arbiter fuzzface) its just harder'n'hell to find >these babees w/ original components. Another very good option, imo, is Analogman's NKT-275 Sun Face pedal. It is absolutely superb as well. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 19:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56NOsL06034; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:37:43 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looped Music to Micro-Organism Videos In-Reply-To: <7300EBEC-B7EC-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: References: <000b01c44be5$d9705c30$6401a8c0@khartung> <7300EBEC-B7EC-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, I'm getting bad links, but I was able to get there on the > videos.htm page. http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm > Cool stuff! How much was the USB microscope? Will it work with a Mac? http://www.boreal.com/ec/products/Display.cfm?categoryid=276772 According to the link Kristen sent, $820, and is Mac OS 9 compatible but not OS X native. > I'm getting a great idea for live projection! Audience members can > spit onto the slide and contribute! I'm getting other ideas. Cool tool. Thanks! best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 19:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i56Nm8r13349; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000701c44b3d$6d157eb0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000701c44b3d$6d157eb0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <21F18160-B814-11D8-B5E9-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: OT: Mark's missing from PS Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:49:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, but I've moved on from Photoshop. Mark On Jun 5, 2004, at 1:41 PM, the toy room wrote: > Mark Hamburg... > > Just curious...I got used to seeing your name pop up on the Photoshop > splash screen...I use that proggie extensively everyday in my day job. > Seems to be missing in CS. Are you still with Adobe? > > Best, > Rich > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 20:33:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i570X9F24097; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040607003141.85312.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: behringer stuff To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1ds2hC.A.i1F.zd7wAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i guess i have a somewhat opposing view on behringer stuff... i'm a pro audio salesperson at the guitar center in crestwood, mo. i sell a lot of gear-- behringer, mackie, alesis, allen & heath, dbx, etc. as a rule, i'm not a fan of behringer. they rip off other folks' designs, i feel they rush shoddy stuff to market and then work out the bugs on the next version, and they don't have as a good quality control as other brands. that being said, there are some awesome pieces they make. for instance, their headphone amps-- awesome. nobody makes one with the same features. (and since headphone amps come after the recording stage, it doesn't screw with your recorded signal.) their cable testers-- badass for the money. and their compressors seem pretty reliable (especially the 2-space tube compressor). but other products of theirs make me frown. i hate their crossovers-- if you turn the highs ALL the way down, there's still plenty of signal coming thru, and there's never enough bass coming out. give me a dbx any day over that. i don't like their more advanced stuff-- the digital EQs and other units. their first generation of digital EQs suffered from dying batteries and oftentimes needed EPROM updates to work properly. i thinked they worked most of the bugs out for the new ones, but still... i'm also wary of their multi-purpose units, like powered mixers. yeah it works... but for how long? and then there's the mixers. some customers of mine love em. but other customers complain of crosstalk, and i have had more than one situation in which a customer returned a behringer mixer cuz it had channels that picked up radio frequencies. i myself recently purchased a used, older behringer mixer that had very little headroom, and suffered from nasty digital peak-outs before 4 channels finally just died on me. since not all my behringer sales are horror stories, i can only think that it's a quality control issue-- perhaps they use the cheapest components available, and sometimes they get good stuff and sometimes they don't. i don't have a much better opinion of alesis, either. the stuff i like to buy is DBX, Allen & Heath, and mackie. yes, it's more expensive. but it'll be with me forever. that being said, i'm probably gonna buy a behringer mxb1002 soon for a small live recording rig. but i'm gonna flood it with signal; we'll see how the headroom fares. and i admit, for beginners, they're a great bargain. my 2 cents... - dylan p.s. any loopers in the st. louis area, if you need gear, come talk to me at g.c. in crestwood. you get the "loopers delight" discount.... =) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 6 22:12:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i572ARB15953; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:10:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: If that would have been true a "1 st Loop capture" ability should have been part of Live 4.0 update. This matter has been discussed at the Live forum all since the release of version 3.0. Probably Ableton are forced to list it a second priority because of the estimated low number of interested users " I can't give an articulate defense, Per, but someone once explained to me why it is a much more difficult thing to accomplish '1st loop capability' in a VST plugin that has to work inside of a host program. I"m not a programmer and am not knowledgeable enough to recount the explanation, but it made sense to me at the time. I've actually found the Ableton's people to be extremely interested (especially Dave who has been a long time looper himself) in what our community thinks and I would heavily encourage you to write them directly with your suggestions (if you haven't already). If you dont' already have it, write me off list and I'd be happy to give you Dave's e-mail and write him a glowing recommendation for your advice (if you don't already know him). My suspicion is that something that compares with the EDP or the Repeater (or whatever looper) is going to have to be a stand alone app, instead of a plugin. Os, Matthias, Andy and whoever, please correct me if you think that is innacurate. I again reiterate that I'm not a programmer and am not coming from that knowledeable a place. I know that as we speak, several companies and individuals are working madly towards this possiblity. I know that one salient feature of VST plugins is that they are so easy to bootleg (unlike full programs which are easier to protect). Consequently a lot of top developers are afraid to design something that they have a slim chance of making money for their hard work. Kudos to Os for developing what he's developed. I can't wait for the first review of the Augustus Loop VST plugin. I hope you and the boys are well, Per..........................Chris and I are really missing Sweden and all the strange ice creams that you have there (a knowing wink to Matthias!) yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 01:37:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i575ZHA30379; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:38:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 6, 2004, at 7:10 PM, loop.pool wrote: > My suspicion is that something that compares with the EDP or the > Repeater > (or whatever looper) is going to have to be a stand alone > app, instead of a plugin. Os, Matthias, Andy and whoever, please > correct > me if you think that is innacurate. I again reiterate that > I'm not a programmer and am not coming from that knowledeable a place. Digital Performer has POLAR (Loop time? As much as your RAM can support), which is *almost* a Jamman... but lacking feedback control. It drives me crazy that we've got plug-ins that are already good realtime loopers... PSP42 but they wrote me and said getting a longer loop time was impossible. Then Augustus Loop comes out. 1 hour. Huh. He did it. MOTU wrote me and said my idea for adding feedback was interesting. That was it. Weee! I'm interesting. Maybe we should all line up and give Matthais oral sex, because evidently he's the only human on earth who can code something like an EDP that cares about coding something like the EDP. I'm using a Repeater. Probably will be until it blows up. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 04:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i578rHW08485; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:53:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <15595EAC-B860-11D8-A717-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:53:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per wrote: > > If that would have been true a "1 st Loop capture" ability should have > been part of Live 4.0 update. This matter has been discussed at the > Live forum all since the release of version 3.0. Probably Ableton are > forced to list it a second priority because of the estimated low number > of interested users " > On 2004-06-07, at 04.10, loop.pool wrote: > I can't give an articulate defense, Per, but someone once explained > to me > why it is a much more difficult thing > to accomplish '1st loop capability' in a VST plugin that has to work > inside > of a host program. You're probably right about that (I have no programming skills either). But Live IS a host application, not a VST plug-in. Let's see what they crammed into L4! The online looping community will once again be cooking with all kinds of workaround hints ;-) It seems as the Abletons are watching the forum quite closely. Once I posted there about a quantization bug (regarding odd time measures) I found in Live 3.0 and after some days I got a mail from HQ requesting a more detailed bug report, which I then filed. So my hopes are that live looping functions like "1st loop", "external midi access to sample/clip parameters" etc will make it into the application as soon as they get the time to implement it. Probably it's not topping the list, though. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 05:39:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i579cLe17064; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024201c44c72$b7262690$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <15595EAC-B860-11D8-A717-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:35:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7NQdAC.A.FJE.-dDxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I can't give an articulate defense, Per, but someone once explained > > to me > > why it is a much more difficult thing > > to accomplish '1st loop capability' in a VST plugin that has to work > > inside > > of a host program. > > You're probably right about that (I have no programming skills either). > But Live IS a host application, not a VST plug-in. Let's see what they > crammed into L4! The online looping community will once again be > cooking with all kinds of workaround hints ;-) Maybe this can shed some light on the situation. ;) A VST-plugin cannot do first loop since the VST-standard doesn't support slaving a Host to a Plugin, at the moment it's only possible to slave a Plugin to the Host. Maybe with some nifty hacking and coding-skills it would be possible to do a midi-hack in the plugin that enables it to Send midi-tempo out and then use something like Hubi's Midi-loopback to slave the Host to that midi-data. Which leads to the fundamental problem of the "First loop"-function. To calculate the tempo of First loop, as far as i know, you first have to set how long the loop is in meassures instead of tempo. That is, if the first loop is 1/4 long and the first loop recorded is 2 seconds long then we have 4 beats on 2 seconds resulting in 120 bpm, if we instead record a loop that is 1 second long then we have the same amount of meassures but in a shorter time thus doubling the tempo. And the problem is that the Ableton Live time-stretch engine is tempo-based, that is, it takes the current tempo and "lock" the recorded sample to that tempo and then use that as a base for the realtime time-stretching calculations. So based on this it's virtually impossible to include a first loop function into Live unless they rewrite the whole sample-engine. OR just add a separate FirstLoop function that can be turned on instead of the Tap-function. On another note: I'm having trouble (financial problems) getting hold of a Mac so I can compile my VST-LiveLooping plugin so my plan for now is to start beta-testing on PC for the moment and only do release-compiles for the Mac later on. So anyone who's interested in Beta-testing the plugin can register at http://www.condomo.com/4um /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 06:00:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i579wsr23320; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <024201c44c72$b7262690$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> References: <00a101c44c34$91faf550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <15595EAC-B860-11D8-A717-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <024201c44c72$b7262690$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B3BEEAC-B869-11D8-A717-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:58:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-07, at 11.35, Tias wrote: > And the problem is that the Ableton Live time-stretch engine is > tempo-based, > that is, it takes the current tempo and "lock" the recorded sample to > that > tempo and then use that as a base for the realtime time-stretching > calculations. Very interesting! Didn't know that. This explains quite a bit. > On another note: > I'm having trouble (financial problems) getting hold of a Mac so I can > compile my VST-LiveLooping plugin so my plan for now is to start > beta-testing on PC for the moment and only do release-compiles for the > Mac > later on. So anyone who's interested in Beta-testing the plugin can > register > at http://www.condomo.com/4um At this moment I find myself in the exactly opposed situation; working daily on macs but I can't afford to bring my former music studio PC back to life. I have already bought a new motherboard, new memory and a new power trafo and it's still dead. I don't have spare parts to switch for a proper trouble shooting process. I'd love to take part in the beta testing phase but I'm afraid I will have to stay out. pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 06:16:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57AFqV28299; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40C43F7B.8050705@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:12:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Delight Subject: Re: OT: Processing video signals as audio? References: <005b01c44850$1063b550$1a00a8c0@yew> <7A7BA167-B434-11D8-8AE6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <007d01c44862$8c84e110$1a00a8c0@yew> In-Reply-To: <007d01c44862$8c84e110$1a00a8c0@yew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > So, after a quick google I see that video signals are in the mHz > range. How > would one "transpose" them down into kHz to be captured by a DAW recording > at 96kHz, or even 44.1kHz? That would be MHz or megahertz (10**6 Hertz). mHz is millihertz (10**-6), off by a factor of 10**12. Runninga signal in the MHz range through audio gear won't yield satisfactory results because audio gear is limited to 20kHz, nowhere near the MHz range of frequencies. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 06:42:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57AfWY02169; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: EDP Release Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:40:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c44c7b$e1694f00$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44C84.432DB700" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44C84.432DB700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired us enough money to release 150 EDPs. That's over 500 days from date of invoice on a Net 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can't get those sort of credit terms with my bank. The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed Kevin Van Pamel recently. I think his title is Vice President of Marketing, but this does include Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent bloke and we are glad he is back; the outstanding balance will be paid soon and then we can release the remaining 200 hostages. Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, so these will probably not be the last. (We will however, require cash up front next time :) Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently for back-ordered units; you should get them soon. Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44C84.432DB700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired us = enough money to release 150 EDPs. That’s over 500 days from date of = invoice on a Net 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can’t get those sort of credit = terms with my bank.

 

The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed Kevin = Van Pamel recently. I think his title is Vice President of Marketing, but = this does include Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent bloke and we are = glad he is back; the outstanding balance will be paid soon and then we can = release the remaining 200 hostages.

 

Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, so = these will probably not be the last. (We will however, require cash up front next = time :)

 

Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently for = back-ordered units; you should get them soon.

 

Andy Ewen,

EDP Production Manager.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44C84.432DB700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 07:01:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57B0m507141; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040607110033.1344.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP Release To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c44c7b$e1694f00$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So who do we order from to get them quicker? Thanx Andy Luis --- Andy Ewen wrote: > > > Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired us > enough money to > release 150 EDPs. That's over 500 days from date of > invoice on a Net > 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can't get those sort of > credit terms with my > bank. > > The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed Kevin > Van Pamel recently. > I think his title is Vice President of Marketing, > but this does include > Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent bloke > and we are glad he > is back; the outstanding balance will be paid soon > and then we can > release the remaining 200 hostages. > > Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, so > these will probably > not be the last. (We will however, require cash up > front next time :) > > Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently for > back-ordered units; > you should get them soon. > > Andy Ewen, > EDP Production Manager. > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 07:35:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57BYJn17245; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Release Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:33:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c44c83$50d21af0$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040607110033.1344.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a question you will have to ask Gibson............. -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 June 2004 12:01 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Release So who do we order from to get them quicker? Thanx Andy Luis --- Andy Ewen wrote: > > > Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired us > enough money to > release 150 EDPs. That's over 500 days from date of > invoice on a Net > 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can't get those sort of > credit terms with my > bank. > > The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed Kevin > Van Pamel recently. > I think his title is Vice President of Marketing, > but this does include > Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent bloke > and we are glad he > is back; the outstanding balance will be paid soon > and then we can > release the remaining 200 hostages. > > Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, so > these will probably > not be the last. (We will however, require cash up > front next time :) > > Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently for > back-ordered units; > you should get them soon. > > Andy Ewen, > EDP Production Manager. > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 07:47:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57BkX421019; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1086608764!14484786 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534407@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: behringer stuff Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:44:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C44C84.C7555970" Resent-Message-ID: <39trqD.A.JHF._VFxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44C84.C7555970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>and then there's the mixers. some customers of mine love em. but other customers complain of crosstalk, and i have had more than one situation in which a customer returned a behringer mixer cuz it had channels that picked up radio frequencies. i myself recently purchased a used, older behringer mixer that had very little headroom, and suffered from nasty digital peak-outs before 4 channels finally just died on me.<< my 2802 blew hot smoke at me after a couple of years' layoff. however, it was an easy fix (the 2 giant electrolytics in the power supply had let go) & the desk now performs as it did when I bought it- loads of headroom, low noise, & so far no crackles. the hardware isn't fantastic, & the design is really a mackie knock-off, but I haven't received radio signals on it ever, nor have I had nasty clipping or channel-death. I also have one of their "edison" units, which is a stereo width enhancer & phase correlation meter; also well-behaved. my fcb1010 still lies unused, though. but yes, I've read elsewhere that uli gets most of his ideas from other people, & that his low prices reflect some poor QC'ing...... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44C84.C7555970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: behringer stuff

>>and then there's the mixers. some customers of mi= ne love
em. but other customers complain of crosstalk, and i hav= e
had more than one situation in which a customer returned= a
behringer mixer cuz it had channels that picked up radio=
frequencies. i myself recently purchased a used, older
behringer mixer that had very little headroom, and suffe= red
from nasty digital peak-outs before 4 channels finally j= ust
died on me.<<

my 2802 blew hot smoke at me after a couple of years' lay= off. however, it was an easy fix (the 2 giant electrolytics in the power su= pply had let go) & the desk now performs as it did when I bought it- lo= ads of headroom, low noise, & so far no crackles. the hardware isn't fa= ntastic, & the design is really a mackie knock-off, but I haven't recei= ved radio signals on it ever, nor have I had nasty clipping or channel-deat= h. I also have one of their "edison" units, which is a stereo wid= th enhancer & phase correlation meter; also well-behaved. my fcb1010 st= ill lies unused, though.

but yes, I've read elsewhere that uli gets most of his id= eas from other people, & that his low prices reflect some poor QC'ing..= ....

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44C84.C7555970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 07:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57BkU220998; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c44c85$0ca27030$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20040607110033.1344.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP Release Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:46:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com your selling yours on ebay then you buy again whats the catch profit? Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: EDP Release > So who do we order from to get them quicker? > Thanx Andy > Luis > > > > --- Andy Ewen wrote: > > > > > > Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired us > > enough money to > > release 150 EDPs. That's over 500 days from date of > > invoice on a Net > > 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can't get those sort of > > credit terms with my > > bank. > > > > The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed Kevin > > Van Pamel recently. > > I think his title is Vice President of Marketing, > > but this does include > > Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent bloke > > and we are glad he > > is back; the outstanding balance will be paid soon > > and then we can > > release the remaining 200 hostages. > > > > Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, so > > these will probably > > not be the last. (We will however, require cash up > > front next time :) > > > > Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently for > > back-ordered units; > > you should get them soon. > > > > Andy Ewen, > > EDP Production Manager. > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 09:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57DeMR16060; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:40:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040607133923.5104.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP Release To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c44c85$0ca27030$0100a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very simple Claude Oberheims don´t sync with Gibsons profit?hardly,the oberheim cost me more than enough headaches! Luis --- Claude Voit wrote: > your selling yours on ebay then you buy again > > whats the catch > > profit? > > Claude > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Release > > > > So who do we order from to get them quicker? > > Thanx Andy > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Andy Ewen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired > us > > > enough money to > > > release 150 EDPs. That's over 500 days from date > of > > > invoice on a Net > > > 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can't get those sort > of > > > credit terms with my > > > bank. > > > > > > The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed > Kevin > > > Van Pamel recently. > > > I think his title is Vice President of > Marketing, > > > but this does include > > > Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent > bloke > > > and we are glad he > > > is back; the outstanding balance will be paid > soon > > > and then we can > > > release the remaining 200 hostages. > > > > > > Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, > so > > > these will probably > > > not be the last. (We will however, require cash > up > > > front next time :) > > > > > > Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently > for > > > back-ordered units; > > > you should get them soon. > > > > > > Andy Ewen, > > > EDP Production Manager. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 10:56:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57Eu8S30769; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:56:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c44c9f$7ec7c970$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20040607133923.5104.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP Release Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:55:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com who could sync with Gibson anyways :=) Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: EDP Release > very simple Claude Oberheims don´t sync with Gibsons > profit?hardly,the oberheim cost me more than enough > headaches! > Luis > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > your selling yours on ebay then you buy again > > > > whats the catch > > > > profit? > > > > Claude > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "L. Angulo" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:00 PM > > Subject: Re: EDP Release > > > > > > > So who do we order from to get them quicker? > > > Thanx Andy > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Andy Ewen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, miracles do happen! Gibson has just wired > > us > > > > enough money to > > > > release 150 EDPs. That's over 500 days from date > > of > > > > invoice on a Net > > > > 30-day account!!!!! Shame I can't get those sort > > of > > > > credit terms with my > > > > bank. > > > > > > > > The breakthrough came when Gibson re-employed > > Kevin > > > > Van Pamel recently. > > > > I think his title is Vice President of > > Marketing, > > > > but this does include > > > > Echoplex matters. Kevin is a thoroughly decent > > bloke > > > > and we are glad he > > > > is back; the outstanding balance will be paid > > soon > > > > and then we can > > > > release the remaining 200 hostages. > > > > > > > > Kevin is already talking about new EDP orders, > > so > > > > these will probably > > > > not be the last. (We will however, require cash > > up > > > > front next time :) > > > > > > > > Thank you to all who have been waiting patiently > > for > > > > back-ordered units; > > > > you should get them soon. > > > > > > > > Andy Ewen, > > > > EDP Production Manager. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 12:51:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57Goap27985; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:49:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000a01c44c9f$7ec7c970$0100a8c0@mini> Thread-Index: AcRMoNl0tjSWodP+RNi95rr96r88wAADbiGQ Message-Id: <20040607165007.CYZR29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude and Luis were discussing the Echoplex being available again in the near future (huzzah) and sync issues-- I sold one of my two Gibsons a month ago to help with cash flow, and never had a huge issue with Brother sync not working-- I hope to acquire another EDP when they are plentiful, maybe get a (ahem) Al Jolson model for the novelty-- What did Claude mean about sync? I know there are issues sometimes with matching the crystals on units--but I never noticed a problem . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 13:04:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57H3S131827; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c44cb1$54435e00$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20040607165007.CYZR29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some much older units have trouble syncing even with a crystal change as there has been 100s of component changes over the years. Tolerance and age of components is a factor; newer models have much tighter tolerance, 1% resistors etc. Sync problems are normally fixed by up-grading the crystals but not in all cases. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: 07 June 2004 17:50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP sync and sale/resale Claude and Luis were discussing the Echoplex being available again in the near future (huzzah) and sync issues-- I sold one of my two Gibsons a month ago to help with cash flow, and never had a huge issue with Brother sync not working-- I hope to acquire another EDP when they are plentiful, maybe get a (ahem) Al Jolson model for the novelty-- What did Claude mean about sync? I know there are issues sometimes with matching the crystals on units--but I never noticed a problem . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 13:11:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57HB2C01061; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:11:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:11:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040607171022.3653.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: OT: Fuzz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- William Walker wrote: > Hey Stano! how do ya like that there Sparkle Drive? My friend had one of those which he let me use a few times. I was really pleased with the sound, although I never ended up getting one myself. Kind of like a TubeScreamer in character, but the option of mixing some of your dry signal into it gives some cool possibilities. re: the rest of this thread I use an Ibanez TS-9 and a Big Muff pretty much every time I play. Between those two I get most of the sounds I want. I also have a Dano French Toast that comes out every now and then. I'd really like to replace the Big Muff because even though I love it's sound, it takes up too much space in my little pedalboard and it won't work with my universal power supply. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 13:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57HKBN03613; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:20:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:20:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040607171917.80029.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I agree. Speaking of modelers and tubes AND looping, the Vox Tonelab > SE RULES. 8 second looper, real 12ax7 valve and a number of fuzzbox > emulations that are pretty good. It's the only modeler I tried that > really felt like you had a bunch of stomp boxes hooked to a nice old > tube amp. Thanks for the review. I played a Vox modelling combo amp awhile back and was very impressed. What features does the looper have? > One weird thing about it is when I got it it was set to "amp" out > (expecting to see a guitar amp) so I switched it to "Line" for my > mixer. I had this ugly high end on a lot of the patches I couldn't > seem to dial out. (think David Torn) I almost took it back but I kept > thinking it sounded great at first... oh yeah, that was when it was set > to Amp out. At first it sounded like everything was covered by a wet > blanket, but after a bit of tweaking the treble and presence viola! > Really sweet sounds *and* I got the buzzsaw synth fuzzbox tone I was > looking for. (I wasn't getting them in the "Line" out setting, so > that's why I posted this topic in the first place) I'm confused. Are you saying it sounds better plugged into your mixer using the "Amp" setting? Or the "Line" setting with the settings tweeked? My DG Stomp came with all the patches set up with the speaker simulation turned off (as though you were pluggin into an amp). Sounded hideous going direct to a mixer. That improved a lot just by pressing the button to turn on the cabinet simulation. It's still not as realistic as I'd totally like though. > Another great thing about this box is the delays react like an old > Digitech 8000. When you tweak the delay time you get all kinds of > beautiful madness. Good times. Same holds true for the other effects > as well. Excellent! Sounds promising! Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 13:47:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57Hjdt09648; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c44cb7$31058cf0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20040607133923.5104.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c44c9f$7ec7c970$0100a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: EDP Release Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:45:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > who could sync with Gibson anyways > > :=) > > Claude > WAS A JOKE A JOKE A JOKE C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 13:47:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57HiaM09493; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040607174424.1766.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003701c44a19$f2cfd0c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Hey Mark, much as I love the Line6 DL4, the Line6 distortion/fuzz/overdrive > emulator was horribly dissapointing! > > I thought they would have much more versatitlity in the sample devices and, > more importantly, really strong effects. I may disagree with you on this one, Rick. My friend had a DM4 for awhile and, while I didn't like ALL the distortions it had, I did like several of them. I have yet to meet a multieffect unit of any kind where I actually loved everything in it, so I consider a few cool effects a successful box. I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was the Big Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave down pitch thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble. All that said...I didn't like it so much that I felt compelled to go buy one. Perhaps that's the true test. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 14:12:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57IAWr17050; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:08:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000701c44cb1$54435e00$0300000a@p4> Thread-Index: AcRMsm4zks0REpyuSbmv+cioo8tb8AABZW9g Message-Id: <20040607180835.EKRZ29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So the new units have a better chance of syncing with other Gibson units . . . BTW, thanks for the "gift" of those new pots--they cured my Echoplex of its crackling--Andy gives first class customer support (Gibson, are you listening?) Gary -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Some much older units have trouble syncing even with a crystal change as there has been 100s of component changes over the years. Tolerance and age of components is a factor; newer models have much tighter tolerance, 1% resistors etc. Sync problems are normally fixed by up-grading the crystals but not in all cases. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 14:15:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57IEdh17868; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:14:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040607180835.EKRZ29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: AcRMsm4zks0REpyuSbmv+cioo8tb8AABZW9gAAC59OA= Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the topic of older units...mine just started something new. Sometimes, it just won't record. There is input, but no output. Turn it off, and on again, it works fine. After 10 mins, it just stops recording. I have to power down. My EDP is from 96 or so. BTW, thanks to Andy for all the help he has given me these past few years. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 14:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57IMtL20191; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:22:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c44cbc$67460060$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <024201c44c72$b7262690$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7IvzzD.A.p5E.wJLxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And the problem is that the Ableton Live time-stretch engine is tempo- > based, > that is, it takes the current tempo and "lock" the recorded sample to that > tempo and then use that as a base for the realtime time-stretching > calculations. > With all deference to your greater expertise, I don't believe this is true. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are explaining, Live has the ability to defeat the time-stretching functionality on any sample. So having the software extract the tempo from the object length on a non-timestretched sample should actually be a relatively simple task. This is a one-click operation in Logic, a drag and drop in Kyma, and a two footswitch press on the Adrenalinn. Cheers, -- Sarth > -----Original Message----- > From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > > > > I can't give an articulate defense, Per, but someone once explained > > > to me > > > why it is a much more difficult thing > > > to accomplish '1st loop capability' in a VST plugin that has to work > > > inside > > > of a host program. > > > > You're probably right about that (I have no programming skills either). > > But Live IS a host application, not a VST plug-in. Let's see what they > > crammed into L4! The online looping community will once again be > > cooking with all kinds of workaround hints ;-) > > Maybe this can shed some light on the situation. ;) > > A VST-plugin cannot do first loop since the VST-standard doesn't support > slaving a Host to a Plugin, at the moment it's only possible to slave a > Plugin to the Host. Maybe with some nifty hacking and coding-skills it > would > be possible to do a midi-hack in the plugin that enables it to Send > midi-tempo out and then use something like Hubi's Midi-loopback to slave > the > Host to that midi-data. > > Which leads to the fundamental problem of the "First loop"-function. To > calculate the tempo of First loop, as far as i know, you first have to set > how long the loop is in meassures instead of tempo. That is, if the first > loop is 1/4 long and the first loop recorded is 2 seconds long then we > have > 4 beats on 2 seconds resulting in 120 bpm, if we instead record a loop > that > is 1 second long then we have the same amount of meassures but in a > shorter > time thus doubling the tempo. > > And the problem is that the Ableton Live time-stretch engine is tempo- > based, > that is, it takes the current tempo and "lock" the recorded sample to that > tempo and then use that as a base for the realtime time-stretching > calculations. > > So based on this it's virtually impossible to include a first loop > function > into Live unless they rewrite the whole sample-engine. OR just add a > separate FirstLoop function that can be turned on instead of the > Tap-function. > > On another note: > I'm having trouble (financial problems) getting hold of a Mac so I can > compile my VST-LiveLooping plugin so my plan for now is to start > beta-testing on PC for the moment and only do release-compiles for the Mac > later on. So anyone who's interested in Beta-testing the plugin can > register > at http://www.condomo.com/4um > > /Tias > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 14:30:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57ISif21577; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040607174424.1766.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040607174424.1766.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6AAD658A-B8B0-11D8-97BD-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:28:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrote: > --- "loop.pool" wrote: >> Hey Mark, much as I love the Line6 DL4, the Line6 >> distortion/fuzz/overdrive >> emulator was horribly dissapointing! > > I may disagree with you on this one, Rick. My friend had a DM4 for > awhile and, > while I didn't like ALL the distortions it had, I did like several of > them. I > have yet to meet a multieffect unit of any kind where I actually loved > everything > in it, so I consider a few cool effects a successful box. SO TRUE. I got tired of the quest of The One and I did buy one this weekend used on ebay for $175. I was pretty impressed with a bunch of it's sounds after checking it out at Guitar Center. (Would have walked away with one, but all they had was a demo unit that looked like the crap had been beaten out of it. All the pots sounded (physically) like it had been played on the beach!) I look at it this way: If I like 3 of it's fuzzbox models (I did actually like more) then at $175 I'm paying less than $60 per fuzzbox and I'm getting A) presets and B) compact footprint. For me, with limited space that's important. Presets also really open up a device for me. I like to step once, and then if I'm so inclined, kneel down and start tweaking. (BTW, my legs ache from setting up that Vox Tonelab!) The Line6 gives that ability to me. If I was a "purest" I'd be lamenting about the lack of Germainium in the transistor and how horrible it sounds to use alkaline batteries. I'm not knocking people who do, I wish I had the time, space and money to be one of those people. I'll go for the trade off if I feel the result is still good to me. I know why Rick would be more descerning than I. That's his bread and butter... wait, wtf am I talking about? Rick made an album with stuff he got at Toys R Us! Hhahahah, he didn't like it because it wasn't DAYGLO GREEN! ADMIT IT RICK! Of course, I kid. I like Rick's Dayglo Green album. But getting back to the Vox Tonelab SE, while I found it to have one fuzzbox emulation that I dug, I really did find most to be really similar and not very interesting. I feel like they were kind of thrown in. Of course, this is not the focus of this box (nor is the 8 sec looper) or why I bought it. I bought it because I wanted a really nice tube amp simulator, which I feel it is. Mark > > I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was > the Big > Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave > down pitch > thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble. > > All that said...I didn't like it so much that I felt compelled to go > buy one. > Perhaps that's the true test. > > Greg > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 14:36:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57IZhD22547; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040607171917.80029.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040607171917.80029.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <69A7949C-B8B1-11D8-97BD-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> From: msottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:35:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i57IZVh22491 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Greg House wrote: > > Thanks for the review. I played a Vox modelling combo amp awhile back > and was > very impressed. > > What features does the looper have? It's really basic. This is from the manual: 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold the delay sound. [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL pedal, the delay sound will be held from the moment you turn the pedal on. > >> One weird thing about it is when I got it it was set to "amp" out >> (expecting to see a guitar amp) so I switched it to "Line" for my >> mixer. I had this ugly high end on a lot of the patches I couldn't >> seem to dial out. > I'm confused. Are you saying it sounds better plugged into your mixer > using the > "Amp" setting? Or the "Line" setting with the settings tweeked? Oh, it's confusing. I am saying that I set the Tonelab to it's AMP mode for output, but I do not run it through a guitar amp, as is prescribed in the manual. Why it's amp output is lacking high end compared to it's line output is beyond me. Doesn't make sense right? A guitar's output is thin and tinny. An amp pre puts in that needed bass and midrange that a guitar's output lacks. Why would you do that if you thought the signal was going into an amp? That's like filtering something and then filtering it again. > > Excellent! Sounds promising! > > Greg I'll try to get to recording it tonight and I'll post the results. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 16:07:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57K4fM10485; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406071042.i57AgEB02525@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406071042.i57AgEB02525@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:03:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I can't give an articulate defense, Per, but someone once explained > to me > why it is a much more difficult thing > to accomplish '1st loop capability' in a VST plugin that has to work > inside > of a host program. I"m not a programmer and am not knowledgeable > enough to recount the explanation, but it made sense to me at the time. I think this would only be true if the plugin were limited in how it can sync with the host. Giving Augustus Loop '1st loop capability' was a piece of cake, but it doesn't do any syncing yet. It would also make a difference whether the software was disk-based or RAM-based (easier if RAM-based). Ableton Live always used to be disk-based but as I recall they put in an option for RAM-based clips in version 3. But I don't know if it's possible to record into RAM, or whether you can only buffer a clip from disk into RAM. > I know that one salient feature of VST plugins is that they are so > easy to > bootleg (unlike full programs which are easier to protect). > Consequently a lot of top developers are afraid to design something > that > they have a slim chance of making money for their hard work. I'm not quite sure if this is true. It's all just software - I don't see why a plug-in should be easier to rip than a standalone application. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 16:12:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57KBYm11773; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406071042.i57AgEB02525@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406071042.i57AgEB02525@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:11:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Digital Performer has POLAR (Loop time? As much as your RAM can > support), which is *almost* a Jamman... but lacking feedback control. tell me about it! that bites, hard. almost such a useful tool, and with perfect sync, export to sequence etc. > It drives me crazy that we've got plug-ins that are already good > realtime loopers... PSP42 but they wrote me and said getting a longer > loop time was impossible. Then Augustus Loop comes out. 1 hour. > Huh. He did it. well, no magic coding there - it's just a matter of throwing memory at the problem. :) though to be honest I'm not even 100% happy with that solution, as it's still to some extent at the mercy of the operating system paging memory. maybe if someone out there is lucky enough to have a machine with a couple GB of RAM in, they could try it out with an hour long loop and let me know how it goes on that system. what I'd like to aim for with Augustus Loop is a disk-based solution, which would a) remove the limitation of an hour (or so) for the loop length b) make it much easier to move towards an infinite overdub/undo system. however that's a significant step beyond the current frontiers of my expertise, so don't hold your breath :) cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 17:22:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57LLD223201; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:21:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000501c449a6$32723200$3502a8c0@yodaii> References: <000501c449a6$32723200$3502a8c0@yodaii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <62A50922-B8C8-11D8-97BD-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Keyboards Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:19:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i57LJth22990 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any of the products from Yamaha, Roland or Korg that call themselves "workstations" will be good for what you want. Finding one that sounds good to your ears is up to you. Mark On Jun 3, 2004, at 1:05 PM, Shaunie wrote: > I apologize if this subject has been visited before but I need a > keyboard or some type of device that can do piano and drums … or one > of those keyboards with the drum pads or some type of drum machine.  > Can anyone recommend  a good brand? > > Thanks, > > Shaunie > > ----------- > > Hecate > > My Web Site http://www.hecates.com > > _________________________________________ > > ICQ#: 124610979 > + More ways to contact me > > i See more about me > _________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 17:56:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57Ltsa29976; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <200406060755.i567tQv26953@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56810578-B8CD-11D8-BE5D-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:55:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 6, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> I wouldn't be surprised if the rights to that code are tied up in >> legalities, Lisa at Electrix said that the OS would have been open-sourced on the deathbed of the company if it weren't for the IVL pitch-shift code that it incorporated. either that or they would have considered it. i can't remember. personally i wish it didn't have it. that machine would have ran alot better if it weren't for all of the features it had. especially the LPA shit. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 18:34:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57MXmu08651; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:32:51 +0000 Message-Id: <060720042232.480.40C4ED12000CF740000001E022007503300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <-c6B-D.A.bDC.X0OxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Live has the ability to defeat the time-stretching functionality on any > sample. So having the software extract the tempo from the object length > on a non-timestretched sample should actually be a relatively simple > task. This is a one-click operation in Logic, a drag and drop in Kyma, > and a two footswitch press on the Adrenalinn. i've been following this thread with interest, as I use Live 3 for my recording and compositions. I had tried to set it up as a 'live looper' with my Behringer FCB midi pedal, and it just didn't have the immediacy that I wanted, compared with my Repeater. I gave up a bit soon, admittedly. with this discussion, i've been intrigued to maybe start again, especially after seeing Rick's/Ableton's suggested workarounds. that being said, sarth, are you saying that a loop can be recorded, IN REAL TIME, and not be 'warped' by Live? I don't think this is the case. Even pre-existing loops that are brought into Live are 'warped' and 'looped' by default. And then if you turn of 'warp', then it will no longer loop. furthermore, if you uncheck 'warp', and let the sample sit there, Live isn't going to calculate its tempo and alter the host tempo to match. The sample is just going to sit there, right? Granted, I'm thinking about this a bit from the 'Arrange' window paradigm, and not the 'session' window. Unfortunately, I'm not in front of my audio computer at the moment to confirm some of your ideas, but I'm really interested in this discussion continuing! For my own little advertisement, Live feels so good to work with. I have been on a rollercoaster ride of DAW software over the last 3+ years to find a comfortable recording system that allows for professional results, without the creativity 'buzzkill'. Gone through Logic, Cubase SX, Acid, and now to Live. Just got Lounge Lizard, and am running it into Live via Plogue's Bidule. Easily the nicest sounding Rhodes i've played with! Yummy! and now back to your scheduled program... rich www.asopaque.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 7 18:35:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i57MYjB08915; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <56810578-B8CD-11D8-BE5D-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <200406060755.i567tQv26953@hemlock.violacea.com> <56810578-B8CD-11D8-BE5D-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:31:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: new looping plug-in released Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Jun 6, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >>>I wouldn't be surprised if the rights to that code are tied up in >>>legalities, > >Lisa at Electrix said that the OS would have been open-sourced on >the deathbed of the company if it weren't for the IVL pitch-shift >code that it incorporated. either that or they would have considered >it. i can't remember. > >personally i wish it didn't have it. that machine would have ran >alot better if it weren't for all of the features it had. especially >the LPA shit. I love those features... er, what's LPA? /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 00:30:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i584Tgx12850; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:29:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040607174424.1766.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040607174424.1766.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CBB2556-B904-11D8-A874-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:30:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrote: > I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was > the Big > Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave > down pitch > thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble. > That's their model of a PAiA pedal. The Rocktave Divider, I think. I used that one fairly often when using the DM4. Does anyone have any experience with the PAiA Quadrafuzz? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 02:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i586v2a14429; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040608065638.14974.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave sell it and get a new one;-) I was one of the ones that got the first Oberheims and i don´t want to start telling you the money and headaches it costed me to get it running properly!I bought it america and brought it here only to experiece overheating problems bugs,etc.with it... I remember back in 97 trying to sell it here and nobody would buy it.Then i discover LD and kim helped me through the problems.Then about a year ago i saved my money to buy a second unit to use it in stereo and voilá; Gibsons don´t sync with Oberheims! Andy was very nice to help me through and do all the modofications i need for it to sync with my Gibson but unfortunately nothing worked.So i finally said: baby, baby i am going to leave you,i ain´t joking baby i got to ramble... But i havent given up and i am hoping the new gibson will sync to my old gibson... L.a --- hazard factor wrote: > > On the topic of older units...mine just started > something new. Sometimes, > it just won't record. There is input, but no output. > Turn it off, and on > again, it works fine. After 10 mins, it just stops > recording. I have to > power down. My EDP is from 96 or so. > BTW, thanks to Andy for all the help he has given me > these past few years. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 02:59:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i586xHD16078; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040608065744.73392.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP Release To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c44cb7$31058cf0$0100a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You got that one right my friend! cheers Luis --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > > who could sync with Gibson anyways > > > > :=) > > > > Claude > > > > > WAS A JOKE A JOKE A JOKE > > C > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 03:08:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5878Df17075; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:08:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040608065638.14974.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRNJeqz5Jmg9ZGEQNGGCbMNsLWguwAAEowg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Love to Louie, possibly this year I will. Since I don't have 2 EDPs, Im not worried about syncing, but I am worried about reliability if something goes horribly wrong (like it seems to be). I have had a few problems over the years, and did many mods suggested by Andy and Kim to get it running the way it is supposed to. I don't want to give the impression that all old EDPs are bad...it just seems mine had needed more TLC than most. I'd like to get a new one soon, but right now the availabilty is limited, and I don't have the $ anyway. I certainly would have to sell mine and I couldn't bear to be without one for very long. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Dave sell it and get a new one;-) > I was one of the ones that got the first Oberheims and i > don4t want to start telling you the money and headaches it > costed me to get it running properly!I bought it america and > brought it here only to experiece overheating problems > bugs,etc.with it... > I remember back in 97 trying to sell it here and nobody would > buy it.Then i discover LD and kim helped me through the > problems.Then about a year ago i saved my money to buy a > second unit to use it in stereo and voila; Gibsons don4t sync > with Oberheims! Andy was very nice to help me through and do > all the modofications i need for it to sync with my Gibson > but unfortunately nothing worked.So i finally said: baby, > baby i am going to leave you,i ain4t joking baby i got to ramble... > But i havent given up and i am hoping the new gibson will > sync to my old gibson... > L.a > > > > > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > > On the topic of older units...mine just started something new. > > Sometimes, it just won't record. There is input, but no output. > > Turn it off, and on > > again, it works fine. After 10 mins, it just stops > recording. I have > > to power down. My EDP is from 96 or so. > > BTW, thanks to Andy for all the help he has given me these past few > > years. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 03:24:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i587Noo19328; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:23:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:23:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c44d29$1dd1c0a0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: <000601c44cbc$67460060$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:20:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > With all deference to your greater expertise, I don't believe this is > true. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are explaining, Indeed you must have missunderstood. Let's say you have a sample of a quitar-accord that is 2 seconds long. How do you decide what tempo that sample is? It could be 1 BPM or it could be 100 BPM. There's no tempo reference in the sample what so ever, so to be able to calculate a tempo you simply have to decide what base in meassures you are working in (this is what you do in the EDP). So you say: "Ok, my chosen tempo-base for the first thing i record is 1 beat long." - This results in the tempo for the sample beeing 1 beat in 2 seconds and the resulting tempo beeing 30 BPM. Now instead, this is what Live does when you record a new sample. It allready have the Tempo (for example, 120 bpm) and then it sets the newly recorded Unstretched sample to 120 bpm. Then if you decide to change the tempo to 60bpm, Live pretty much calculates that it has to chop up the sample is little bits (grains) and then play each bit 2 times over, thus giving you a timestretched sample with that Chopped up effect sometimes. The timestretching method is called Timestretching by Granular Synthesis and that is indeed based on sample-length in the Tempo-domain and not the Time-domain. > Live has the ability to defeat the time-stretching functionality on any > sample. So having the software extract the tempo from the object length > on a non-timestretched sample should actually be a relatively simple > task. This is a one-click operation in Logic, a drag and drop in Kyma, > and a two footswitch press on the Adrenalinn. > > Cheers, > > -- Sarth > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:35 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > > > > > > I can't give an articulate defense, Per, but someone once > explained > > > > to me > > > > why it is a much more difficult thing > > > > to accomplish '1st loop capability' in a VST plugin that has to > work > > > > inside > > > > of a host program. > > > > > > You're probably right about that (I have no programming skills > either). > > > But Live IS a host application, not a VST plug-in. Let's see what > they > > > crammed into L4! The online looping community will once again be > > > cooking with all kinds of workaround hints ;-) > > > > Maybe this can shed some light on the situation. ;) > > > > A VST-plugin cannot do first loop since the VST-standard doesn't > support > > slaving a Host to a Plugin, at the moment it's only possible to slave > a > > Plugin to the Host. Maybe with some nifty hacking and coding-skills it > > would > > be possible to do a midi-hack in the plugin that enables it to Send > > midi-tempo out and then use something like Hubi's Midi-loopback to > slave > > the > > Host to that midi-data. > > > > Which leads to the fundamental problem of the "First loop"-function. > To > > calculate the tempo of First loop, as far as i know, you first have to > set > > how long the loop is in meassures instead of tempo. That is, if the > first > > loop is 1/4 long and the first loop recorded is 2 seconds long then we > > have > > 4 beats on 2 seconds resulting in 120 bpm, if we instead record a loop > > that > > is 1 second long then we have the same amount of meassures but in a > > shorter > > time thus doubling the tempo. > > > > And the problem is that the Ableton Live time-stretch engine is tempo- > > based, > > that is, it takes the current tempo and "lock" the recorded sample to > that > > tempo and then use that as a base for the realtime time-stretching > > calculations. > > > > So based on this it's virtually impossible to include a first loop > > function > > into Live unless they rewrite the whole sample-engine. OR just add a > > separate FirstLoop function that can be turned on instead of the > > Tap-function. > > > > On another note: > > I'm having trouble (financial problems) getting hold of a Mac so I can > > compile my VST-LiveLooping plugin so my plan for now is to start > > beta-testing on PC for the moment and only do release-compiles for the > Mac > > later on. So anyone who's interested in Beta-testing the plugin can > > register > > at http://www.condomo.com/4um > > > > /Tias > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 03:31:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i587Uar20447; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <060720042232.480.40C4ED12000CF740000001E022007503300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <060720042232.480.40C4ED12000CF740000001E022007503300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <856841CD-B91D-11D8-BE14-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:29:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-08, at 00.32, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > i've been following this thread with interest, as I use Live 3 for my > recording and compositions. I had tried to set it up as a 'live > looper' with my Behringer FCB midi pedal, and it just didn't have the > immediacy that I wanted, compared with my Repeater. I gave up a bit > soon, admittedly. > > with this discussion, i've been intrigued to maybe start again, > especially after seeing Rick's/Ableton's suggested workarounds. That's the usual method used by most ppl who loop live in Live! But it takes a lot of midi foot pads address all those live clips individually (you have to work in the session view). However you might get an almost "repeater-like" immediacy by using the freeware http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/build/currentBuild.zip. It's for Mac OS X. With this little add-on you can program your FCB1010 with different buttons for certain functions and another foot button to change track in Live's session view. When you do that - change live track - the software makes it possible to keep the same foot pads for the same functions, but now on the new track. > that being said, sarth, are you saying that a loop can be recorded, IN > REAL TIME, and not be 'warped' by Live? I don't think this is the > case. Even pre-existing loops that are brought into Live are 'warped' > and 'looped' by default. And then if you turn of 'warp', then it will > no longer loop. I guess you are right about this. But, does that really matter as long as you stay in the same tempo? If you play an instrument along with Live and just press the record foot button to record yourself it will result in a clip that plays back at its original tempo and then warping doesn't have to kick in, even if activated by default. I don't get the point here? Besides, I even like the glitches that comes with extreme warping (changing tempo or just Live's reference to "origingal tempo"). Although I like the Repeaters glitches better. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 06:38:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58Ab9m20376; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:37:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:37:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040608103645.86123.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Acoustic guitars modeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343AE@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <08g0-.A.A8E.DbZxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system that will make my life easier on stage playing in open tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am quite impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried one yet? i would appreciate your comments! http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html this is probably better if you have the money! http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm cheers L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 07:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58BANN28894; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Acoustic guitars modeling Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040608103645.86123.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 11:10:04.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[26355FC0:01C44D49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland VG8/VG88 have been doing this for years... b -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: 08 June 2004 11:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acoustic guitars modeling i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system that will make my life easier on stage playing in open tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am quite impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried one yet? i would appreciate your comments! http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html this is probably better if you have the money! http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm cheers L.a ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 28/05/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 28/05/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 10:26:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58EOe530426; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.5097dee7.2df7260c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:12 EDT Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i58EOPh30374 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Well, I figure I may as well pop in with some input on this FUZZY topic before it goes away. I currently own only one distortion pedal, a Prescription Electronics "Experience" pedal. I use it VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY sparingly. It's one of the most over-the-top FUZZ boxes I've found. However, like cooking with habanero chilies, a little goes a long way. It spends most of the time OFF or even OUT of the equipment setup altogether. I actually prefer to get my distortion from a preamp, or the preamp stage of whatever amp I'm using . . . if it's any good. I like to have a little "clean" with my "dirt" in my old age, heheheh. I used to go FUZZ crazy 15 to 20 years ago. I'd daisy-chain an orange Boss distortion, an EH Graphic Fuzz, a Boss Heavy Metal and a Morley Wah-Distortion pedal all together at the same time. I have to admit it was fun, but I was a bit of a "tone moron" back then too. I'd like to think I've learned a thing or two over the years. The Experience pedal gets me back just a little dose of those days (all in one tidy little box) whenever I need it. It has a lot of character and can either flat-out sing . . . or cover your tone in ugly warts (depending). Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 11:21:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58FCvi07869; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040608151228.11592.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Acoustic guitars modeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well no, read the FAQs on the website there is an explanation of its difference to the roland VG modelers.From listening to the video you cannot compare the acoustic sounds of the roland to me they sound very "virtual" ineed... L.a --- Brian Hamlin wrote: > Roland VG8/VG88 have been doing this for years... > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: 08 June 2004 11:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Acoustic guitars modeling > > > i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system > that will make my life easier on stage playing in > open > tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am quite > impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried > one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > > http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > > this is probably better if you have the money! > > http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm > cheers > L.a > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 11:28:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58FRN011198; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:27:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:27:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c44d6c$f7248930$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20040608151228.11592.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: sync a repeater to an edp? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey fellas, i've done this before and never i think that i even had to fight with this particular issue, but when i try to sync my repeater to my edp, it won't play or record. it's like i'm sending a song stop message out of the edp and i don't think that i am. i know this is just something stupid that i'm missing, but could someone give me a clue? lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 11:49:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58FmZV15659; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <009c01c44d6c$f7248930$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> References: <20040608151228.11592.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <009c01c44d6c$f7248930$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A780B94-B963-11D8-990D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: sync a repeater to an edp? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:48:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i58Fm9h15579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Use midi clock. Connect midi cable. Set EDP to sync out. Set ´peter to "MIDI sync" That's all I can think of. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-06-08, at 17.26, Lance Chance wrote: > hey fellas, > i've done this before and never i think that i even had to fight with > this > particular issue, but when i try to sync my repeater to my edp, it > won't > play or record. it's like i'm sending a song stop message out of the > edp > and i don't think that i am. i know this is just something stupid > that i'm > missing, but could someone give me a clue? > lance > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 12:16:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58GEj622345; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:14:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40C5E4EF.7060908@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:10:23 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling References: <20040608103645.86123.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040608103645.86123.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Klein doesn't seem to be a modeler, unless I'm misunderstanding something...it seems to have motors for adjusting tunings. I think that's a fantastic evolution, hopefully someday it'll be affordable. The Line6 appears to be the worst idea I've ever heard of - short of the tuning function, which is interesting but a little suspect, if my experience with intelligent harmonizers and chords is any indication. But ramming a genuine steel-string guitar through EQ is supposed to make it sound (or feel) like a nylon-string? please. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system >that will make my life easier on stage playing in open >tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am quite >impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried >one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > >http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > >this is probably better if you have the money! > >http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm >cheers >L.a > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 12:56:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58GswQ30369; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:54:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20040608151228.11592.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <009c01c44d6c$f7248930$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <3A780B94-B963-11D8-990D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: sync a repeater to an edp? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:53:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 16:53:42.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[279B0970:01C44D79] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Use midi clock. > Connect midi cable. > Set EDP to sync out. > Set ´peter to "MIDI sync" add to this, adjusting beats/cycle to an appropriate setting. Repeater wigs out if you set too many beats/cycle on the EDP. sometimes you have to reset the repeater if you send it too fast a tempo (which is a pain without a power switch on the front). Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 12:57:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58GuZU30688; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040608165521.78860.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <40C5E4EF.7060908@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thats correct the klein is not a modeler and has automatic motors which tune the string to the preprogramed pitch, althoug with all that mechanism insde i am also suspect of its sound.It also has the soundhole below which will with no doubt alter the typical acoustic sound. cheers L.a --- Daryl wrote: > > The Klein doesn't seem to be a modeler, unless I'm > misunderstanding > something...it seems to have motors for adjusting > tunings. I think > that's a fantastic evolution, hopefully someday > it'll be affordable. > The Line6 appears to be the worst idea I've ever > heard of - short of the > tuning function, which is interesting but a little > suspect, if my > experience with intelligent harmonizers and chords > is any indication. > But ramming a genuine steel-string guitar through EQ > is supposed to make > it sound (or feel) like a nylon-string? please. > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > >i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system > >that will make my life easier on stage playing in > open > >tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am > quite > >impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried > >one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > > > >http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > > > >this is probably better if you have the money! > > > >http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm > >cheers > >L.a > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 13:15:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58HEke02400; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:14:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:14:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:13:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c44d7b$e6a69710$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a memory problem. Have you tried cleaning the contacts and re-seating the RAM SIMMs? Has the memory been changed recently? -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: 07 June 2004 19:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale On the topic of older units...mine just started something new. Sometimes, it just won't record. There is input, but no output. Turn it off, and on again, it works fine. After 10 mins, it just stops recording. I have to power down. My EDP is from 96 or so. BTW, thanks to Andy for all the help he has given me these past few years. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 14:10:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58I8qw14871; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00a301c44d7d$0baca0d0$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <060720042232.480.40C4ED12000CF740000001E022007503300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7-6PUB.A.iaD.FBgxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I was just referring to the potential of implementing the feature in the future. Sorry if that wasn't clear. -- Sarth > -----Original Message----- > From: thetoyroom@comcast.net [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > > > Live has the ability to defeat the time-stretching functionality on any > > sample. So having the software extract the tempo from the object length > > on a non-timestretched sample should actually be a relatively simple > > task. This is a one-click operation in Logic, a drag and drop in Kyma, > > and a two footswitch press on the Adrenalinn. > > i've been following this thread with interest, as I use Live 3 for my > recording and compositions. I had tried to set it up as a 'live looper' > with my Behringer FCB midi pedal, and it just didn't have the immediacy > that I wanted, compared with my Repeater. I gave up a bit soon, > admittedly. > > with this discussion, i've been intrigued to maybe start again, especially > after seeing Rick's/Ableton's suggested workarounds. > > that being said, sarth, are you saying that a loop can be recorded, IN > REAL TIME, and not be 'warped' by Live? I don't think this is the case. > Even pre-existing loops that are brought into Live are 'warped' and > 'looped' by default. And then if you turn of 'warp', then it will no > longer loop. > > furthermore, if you uncheck 'warp', and let the sample sit there, Live > isn't going to calculate its tempo and alter the host tempo to match. The > sample is just going to sit there, right? > > Granted, I'm thinking about this a bit from the 'Arrange' window paradigm, > and not the 'session' window. > > Unfortunately, I'm not in front of my audio computer at the moment to > confirm some of your ideas, but I'm really interested in this discussion > continuing! > > For my own little advertisement, Live feels so good to work with. I have > been on a rollercoaster ride of DAW software over the last 3+ years to > find a comfortable recording system that allows for professional results, > without the creativity 'buzzkill'. Gone through Logic, Cubase SX, Acid, > and now to Live. > > Just got Lounge Lizard, and am running it into Live via Plogue's Bidule. > Easily the nicest sounding Rhodes i've played with! Yummy! > > and now back to your scheduled program... > > rich > www.asopaque.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 14:21:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58IJYt17608; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: <00a401c44d7e$997fbcc0$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <009a01c44d29$1dd1c0a0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6ZqpVD.A.GRE.3LgxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe we're actually saying the same thing and I'm just reacting strongly to the phrase "virtually impossible." Yes, it would have to be a new "first loop feature" but no, I don't understand why it would be programming stretch, because Live already wants to know how long your loops are (# of beats) anyway. It would be as simple as adding a feature that sez: extract tempo from this loop, given this loop length in # of beats, which would replace typing a new tempo into the tempo field. The only thing you would need to deal with in terms of a first loop function would be the ability to define # of beats for the newly recorded loop before and/or after it has been recorded. AND/OR, it could be an ongoing setting, replacing other sync settings, wherein ONE looped sample, does not have the granulation applied, but instead acts as the master tempo sync for the rest of the samples. I know it would require additional coding, I just think (from my layman POV) that such coding should be relatively concise and straightforward. And that the feature could actually come in handy for quite a few people other than live loop fanatics. Often in a production setting I have a loop I would like to use as a master, and as such I would prefer that it not be granulated (even subtly), and that all the other loops sync to it. -- Sarth > -----Original Message----- > From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > > > With all deference to your greater expertise, I don't believe this is > > true. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are explaining, > > Indeed you must have missunderstood. Let's say you have a sample of a > quitar-accord that is 2 seconds long. How do you decide what tempo that > sample is? It could be 1 BPM or it could be 100 BPM. > > There's no tempo reference in the sample what so ever, so to be able to > calculate a tempo you simply have to decide what base in meassures you are > working in (this is what you do in the EDP). So you say: "Ok, my chosen > tempo-base for the first thing i record is 1 beat long." - This results in > the tempo for the sample beeing 1 beat in 2 seconds and the resulting > tempo > beeing 30 BPM. > > Now instead, this is what Live does when you record a new sample. It > allready have the Tempo (for example, 120 bpm) and then it sets the newly > recorded Unstretched sample to 120 bpm. Then if you decide to change the > tempo to 60bpm, Live pretty much calculates that it has to chop up the > sample is little bits (grains) and then play each bit 2 times over, thus > giving you a timestretched sample with that Chopped up effect sometimes. > > The timestretching method is called Timestretching by Granular Synthesis > and > that is indeed based on sample-length in the Tempo-domain and not the > Time-domain. > > > Live has the ability to defeat the time-stretching functionality on any > > sample. So having the software extract the tempo from the object length > > on a non-timestretched sample should actually be a relatively simple > > task. This is a one-click operation in Logic, a drag and drop in Kyma, > > and a two footswitch press on the Adrenalinn. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- Sarth > > > > > > > > And the problem is that the Ableton Live time-stretch engine is tempo- > > > based, > > > that is, it takes the current tempo and "lock" the recorded sample to > > that > > > tempo and then use that as a base for the realtime time-stretching > > > calculations. > > > > > > So based on this it's virtually impossible to include a first loop > > > function > > > into Live unless they rewrite the whole sample-engine. OR just add a > > > separate FirstLoop function that can be turned on instead of the > > > Tap-function. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 15:54:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58JpWx02195; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [171.64.129.116] X-Originating-Email: [frll23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: frll23@hotmail.com From: "David Giovacchini" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RIP Robert Quine Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:51:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 19:51:11.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2A9D6B0:01C44D91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Hi. As most of you have no doubt already heard, Robert Quine, guitarist extraordinaire for the Vodoids, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, John Zorn, Material, Brian Eno and oh so many more, has died. This man recorded some incredible music, intense, original, beautiful. And although I;m not sure how much he utilized looping techniques, his music was certainly concerned with the same essential things that most of us loopers are-- texture, repetition--, rather than the usual riffs most rock guitarists churn out.  So if you don't know his stuff seek some of it. Try John Zorn's Big Gundown, or Lou Reed's Blue Mask, or Tom Waits' Raindogs for starters. (Please feel free to disagree with my choices and suggest more. The more focus on Quine the better) You'll be happy you did. And if you do know him, then you can mourn with me...
 
One last thing, if anyone is interested in mounting a tribute concert or cd, count me in of course. i think that loopers would make great reinterpreters of Quine's stuff.
 
David Farewell
Palo Alto, CA

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 17:08:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58L6QF15714; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:05:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000b01c44d7b$e6a69710$0300000a@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRNfCvWmjArghwgRBKOAhCiK2nbKgAH8Bcg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No it hasn't but I will certainly check it out...my EDP has always been safe inside a rack. The memory was upgraded years ago ('99?). I will take it apart tonight and clean the contacts, re-seat the memory, and see if it helps. And report back, of course. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Sounds like a memory problem. Have you tried cleaning the > contacts and re-seating the RAM SIMMs? Has the memory been > changed recently? > > -----Original Message----- > From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] > Sent: 07 June 2004 19:14 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP sync and sale/resale > > > On the topic of older units...mine just started something new. > Sometimes, > it just won't record. There is input, but no output. Turn it > off, and on again, it works fine. After 10 mins, it just > stops recording. I have to power down. My EDP is from 96 or so. > BTW, thanks to Andy for all the help he has given me these > past few years. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 17:36:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58LZ5121345; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406082108.i58L87c16183@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406082108.i58L87c16183@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:34:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <4rQUCC.A.jMF.0DjxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland's V-Guitar system let you so all sorts of things with the tuning--alternate tunings, octave displacements, etc. You had to make sure you were playing loud enough that you didn't hear any acoustic sound from your instrument though, because it sounded horrible. You also miss out on all the sympathetic resonances that actual alternate tunings encourage, so things were a bit "dead" sounding be comparison. I know that Joni Mitchell used the V-Guitar system to replace carrying six or eight guitars which required her tech to retune over the course the evening. A friend of mine saw one of those shows and said the results were less than convincing to his ears, which is a shame. TravisH On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "L. Angulo" > Date: June 8, 2004 3:36:45 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Acoustic guitars modeling > > > i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system > that will make my life easier on stage playing in open > tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am quite > impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried > one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > > http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > > L.a > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 17:53:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58Lq3g25208; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c44da2$b3d79fb0$1ef5ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: References: <20040608165521.78860.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:51:05 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a VG8, upgraded to EX. If you want an alternate tuning machine, you really should try the VG8. One can't judge its ability to model an acoustic just by listening to a sample online; to get the real idea, you'd have to try out some good patches (look on vg-8.com) for acoustic sounds, or learn to tweak your own. I haven't played the Variax much but I'm satisfied from researching it that the set-up I've got is the best currently available. By the way, I don't think any mechanical solutions make up for the damage you do to the guitar's neck by constantly putting it into weird tunings. And I say this as someone who almost never uses standard. I play in 61 tunings and the VG8 lets me dial up any tuning I want, now that I've got them all programmed. It just takes time and effort to learn to play the VG8; it's not as easy as turning pegs, until you've got things set up to your liking--then it's easier. I will occasionally switch off, just to get the exact feel and tone of an acoustic, but for the most part, VG8 is best for I what do. I don't know what kind of music you make, but if I were you I'd find a way to try out an old VG8--not the VG88--with some good acoustic patches on it. You might be surprised. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling > Thats correct the klein is not a modeler and has > automatic motors which tune the string to the > preprogramed pitch, althoug with all that mechanism > insde i am also suspect of its sound.It also has the > soundhole below which will with no doubt alter the > typical acoustic sound. > cheers > L.a > > > --- Daryl wrote: > > > > The Klein doesn't seem to be a modeler, unless I'm > > misunderstanding > > something...it seems to have motors for adjusting > > tunings. I think > > that's a fantastic evolution, hopefully someday > > it'll be affordable. > > The Line6 appears to be the worst idea I've ever > > heard of - short of the > > tuning function, which is interesting but a little > > suspect, if my > > experience with intelligent harmonizers and chords > > is any indication. > > But ramming a genuine steel-string guitar through EQ > > is supposed to make > > it sound (or feel) like a nylon-string? please. > > > > Daryl Shawn > > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > > > >i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system > > >that will make my life easier on stage playing in > > open > > >tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am > > quite > > >impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried > > >one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > > > > > >http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > > > > > >this is probably better if you have the money! > > > > > >http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm > > >cheers > > >L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 17:54:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58LliA24339; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:47:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:47:16 +0000 Message-Id: <060820042147.12340.40C633E3000CED4F0000303422007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I fucking love their native plugins...............lol. agreed. the grain delay is bad ass, and their compressor II is quite useful as well. Could you imagine a Line6 DL4 shaped box with JUST the Live Grain Delay in it? With knob control of the pitch, spray and all of that? Talk about sonic mayhem potential... I'd drop cash for that in a heartbeat. > Seriously, though, where is the Ableton group you talk about. In other > words is a user set up group or just the official board for Ableton? ableton's official board. accessed through the website. > Also, when I first started using Lounge Lizard it had some serious latency > issues. Are you finding any problems with that at all? no, not anything noticeable. I'm using an M-Audio Omni I/O with the buffer at a fairly low setting. 256 or 384 samples, i think. I'm on a Carrillon P4, 512ram, Win2K. > Additionally, have you thought about just buying an actual Rhodes? yes...along with an Actual Fender Vibro-Champ, Fender Deluxe Reissue, Vox Jaguar, some sort of actual tape echoplex/space echo unit, and on and on and on. But then the limits of my studio room begin to bring reality into the picture, as well as the concept of having to work until i'm a very old man because of all of this mid-life sillyness!!! > Speaking of selling your hardware sampler...........I was just looking at > the new EMU system. For $299 you get a state of the art sound card, > really nice preamps in a break out box AND you get the most kick assed > sampler that EMU ever put out...............including those incredibly > juicey z-plane filters that EMU is so famous for. No wonder the used > hardware sampler market it so soft. That's just stunningly cheap to me. Yes, i think my Z8 purchase may actually be one of the poorer monetary decisions I have made in my life. I got a great deal on it new, but I still shoved a 256 stick of Ram and a $300 output expansion board in it, on top of the purchase price. Who knows...it's ALWAYS going to do it's job as a sampler. Perhaps it will collect some dust for a bit and then get reincorporated later. later, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 18:26:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58MOvQ00672; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <060820042147.12340.40C633E3000CED4F0000303422007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <060820042147.12340.40C633E3000CED4F0000303422007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <981CF7F9-B99A-11D8-9273-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:24:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:47 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: >> I fucking love their native plugins...............lol. > > agreed. the grain delay is bad ass, and their compressor II is quite > useful as well. Could you imagine a Line6 DL4 shaped box with JUST > the Live Grain Delay in it? With knob control of the pitch, spray > and all of that? Talk about sonic mayhem potential... I'd drop cash > for that in a heartbeat. Don't get me started. I plunked down $300 for a suite of effects from Audio Ease that included a granulator that was seriously one of the coolest effects I've ever played with. They've been talking about doing an update for OSX now for years, but I don't believe it will ever happen at this point. I'd love to find a hardware solution. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 18:50:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58Mnfu04637; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <060820042147.12340.40C633E3000CED4F0000303422007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <060820042147.12340.40C633E3000CED4F0000303422007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <04EF820C-B99E-11D8-9BDA-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:48:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <13qZND.A.6FB.dJkxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 8, 2004, at 4:47 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > Yes, i think my Z8 purchase may actually be one of the poorer monetary > decisions I have made in my life. I got a great deal on it new, but I > still shoved a 256 stick of Ram and a $300 output expansion board in > it, on top of the purchase price. Who knows...it's ALWAYS going to do > it's job as a sampler. Perhaps it will collect some dust for a bit > and then get reincorporated later. that's unfortunate. my S5000 was one of the best purchase i've made. especially now that i have the USB interface for it and Akai finally got AK.sys for Macintosh System Ten ready. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 18:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58MuK805658; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:56:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Sottilaro From: Mark Landman Subject: Tonelab SE chorus was: OT: Fuzz Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:55:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark- The SE does look pretty interesting, one quick question, how does the chorus (the one that's modeled on the JC amp) sound? I've always thought that original Roland JC chorus sound was one of the nicest chorus effects I've ever heard, is this close? BTW, welcome back to LD, it's good to see/hear you again! Mark On Jun 5, 2004, at 10:53 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I agree. Speaking of modelers and tubes AND looping, the Vox Tonelab > SE RULES. 8 second looper, real 12ax7 valve and a number of fuzzbox > emulations that are pretty good. It's the only modeler I tried that > really felt like you had a bunch of stomp boxes hooked to a nice old > tube amp. > > One weird thing about it is when I got it it was set to "amp" out > (expecting to see a guitar amp) so I switched it to "Line" for my > mixer. I had this ugly high end on a lot of the patches I couldn't > seem to dial out. (think David Torn) I almost took it back but I > kept thinking it sounded great at first... oh yeah, that was when it > was set to Amp out. At first it sounded like everything was covered > by a wet blanket, but after a bit of tweaking the treble and presence > viola! Really sweet sounds *and* I got the buzzsaw synth fuzzbox tone > I was looking for. (I wasn't getting them in the "Line" out setting, > so that's why I posted this topic in the first place) > > Another great thing about this box is the delays react like an old > Digitech 8000. When you tweak the delay time you get all kinds of > beautiful madness. Good times. Same holds true for the other effects > as well. > > I'm going to make a recording with it tomorrow and I'll post the > results. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 19:38:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58Nar012775; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Tonelab SE chorus was: OT: Fuzz Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:36:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's pretty good, but not as quite good at the JC120, sadly. Not even as good as my Digitech 2120's chorus, but I have to say that it's quadrachorus patch rules. Still, the Tonelab's chorus isn't bad and it does have the added plus of behaving like an old analog chorus stompbox when you tweak perimeters, so there's that. (wa-errrrrrrwooooooooooiiiiP!) When I'm looking for serious good chorus in the studio I still turn to my Lexicon MPX1's chorus patch or a stereo detune. If I really want to shimmer I'll take the chorus'd out of the Tonelab and then detune it. Mark On Jun 8, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Mark Landman wrote: > Hey Mark- > > The SE does look pretty interesting, one quick question, how does the > chorus (the one that's modeled on the JC amp) sound? > > I've always thought that original Roland JC chorus sound was one of > the nicest chorus effects I've ever heard, is this close? > > BTW, welcome back to LD, it's good to see/hear you again! > > Mark > > On Jun 5, 2004, at 10:53 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> I agree. Speaking of modelers and tubes AND looping, the Vox Tonelab >> SE RULES. 8 second looper, real 12ax7 valve and a number of fuzzbox >> emulations that are pretty good. It's the only modeler I tried that >> really felt like you had a bunch of stomp boxes hooked to a nice old >> tube amp. >> >> One weird thing about it is when I got it it was set to "amp" out >> (expecting to see a guitar amp) so I switched it to "Line" for my >> mixer. I had this ugly high end on a lot of the patches I couldn't >> seem to dial out. (think David Torn) I almost took it back but I >> kept thinking it sounded great at first... oh yeah, that was when it >> was set to Amp out. At first it sounded like everything was covered >> by a wet blanket, but after a bit of tweaking the treble and presence >> viola! Really sweet sounds *and* I got the buzzsaw synth fuzzbox >> tone I was looking for. (I wasn't getting them in the "Line" out >> setting, so that's why I posted this topic in the first place) >> >> Another great thing about this box is the delays react like an old >> Digitech 8000. When you tweak the delay time you get all kinds of >> beautiful madness. Good times. Same holds true for the other >> effects as well. >> >> I'm going to make a recording with it tomorrow and I'll post the >> results. >> >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 19:38:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i58NYSC12406; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:34:06 +0000 Message-Id: <060820042334.15887.40C64CEE000A1CCD00003E0F22007348300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Yes, i think my Z8 purchase may actually be one of the poorer monetary > > decisions I have made in my life. I got a great deal on it new, but I > > still shoved a 256 stick of Ram and a $300 output expansion board in > > it, on top of the purchase price. Who knows...it's ALWAYS going to do > > it's job as a sampler. Perhaps it will collect some dust for a bit > > and then get reincorporated later. > > that's unfortunate. my S5000 was one of the best purchase i've made. > > especially now that i have the USB interface for it and Akai finally > got AK.sys for Macintosh System Ten ready. Eric, don't get me wrong, it's a cool and machine. I just bought it to be a sound module essentially, and thought that the control knobs would really allow instant gratification of tweaking. Aksys is great too, for loading samples and such. But for the gripes...whew! for example, in the Modulation parameters in Aksys, there's no way to 'copy' those mod parameters from one Program to another? Or, if memory serves, even from one layer to another? How in the hell are you supposed to get cool real-time control of your sampleset if you can't copy the mod parameters? there are more gripes, but i've been away from the z8 for a bit, so there isn't much need to parade them out here, memory cooperation withstanding. It's just a deep machine that requires quite an investment in being in 'program/tweak' mental mode. In addition, i've been in a bit of a retraction from too much G.A.S, and wondering if i'm spending too much time twiddling and not enough composing and playing. It's all ebb and flow. If the machine doesn't sell, it wasn't meant to sell, and i'll have use for it in the long run. thanks for your thoughts....hmmm...to play acoustic guitar tonight, or tweak on the computer? hehehe... play with the cats? oh, crap, gotta do that laundry! hmmmm.....on second thought, nah....sip a beer and watch the Lakers. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 20:17:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i590FdP20858; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <060820042334.15887.40C64CEE000A1CCD00003E0F22007348300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <060820042334.15887.40C64CEE000A1CCD00003E0F22007348300301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <106D0870-B9AA-11D8-9BDA-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:15:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 8, 2004, at 6:34 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > for example, in the Modulation parameters in Aksys, there's no way to > 'copy' those mod parameters from one Program to another? Or, if > memory serves, even from one layer to another? How in the hell are > you supposed to get cool real-time control of your sampleset if you > can't copy the mod parameters? ah. you are getting far more into it than i am. i lost my interest in the mod routings when i saw there was no way to modulate loop points in real time. i don't do very sophisticated sampling. basically i just want a bunch of memory and layers and some filters for tone control. the Akai is used mainly for drums, ancilliary plucks, saved ambient loops, sfx, and samples from movies. one of my favourite things to do is leave the s/pdif from the PCM80 (my looper) plugged into the Akai to capture any loop i want to save for later. it is a bit more trouble than saving loops with the Repeater, but it's not _that_ hard. having the PS/2 keyboard plugged in also makes a big difference. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 20:29:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i590SIO23432; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c44db8$acdafb10$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: RIP Robert Quine Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:28:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44D97.259D1AF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44D97.259D1AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He owned a 16 second delay and a boomerang and mentions using them in = the studio quite a bit(google his name plus 16 second and a interview = comes up where he mentions both), and I am sure they made there way = onstage for some of his weirder gigs. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Giovacchini=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: RIP Robert Quine Hi. As most of you have no doubt already heard, Robert Quine, = guitarist extraordinaire for the Vodoids, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, John = Zorn, Material, Brian Eno and oh so many more, has died. This man = recorded some incredible music, intense, original, beautiful. And = although I;m not sure how much he utilized looping techniques, his music = was certainly concerned with the same essential things that most of us = loopers are-- texture, repetition--, rather than the usual riffs most = rock guitarists churn out. So if you don't know his stuff seek some of = it. Try John Zorn's Big Gundown, or Lou Reed's Blue Mask, or Tom Waits' = Raindogs for starters. (Please feel free to disagree with my choices and = suggest more. The more focus on Quine the better) You'll be happy you = did. And if you do know him, then you can mourn with me... One last thing, if anyone is interested in mounting a tribute concert = or cd, count me in of course. i think that loopers would make great = reinterpreters of Quine's stuff. David Farewell Palo Alto, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from = MSN House & Home. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44D97.259D1AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
He owned a 16 second delay and a = boomerang and=20 mentions using them in the studio quite a bit(google his name plus 16 = second and=20 a interview comes up where he mentions both), and=20 I am sure they made there way onstage for some of his weirder = gigs.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David = Giovacchini
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 = 3:51=20 PM
Subject: RIP Robert Quine

Hi. As most of you have no doubt already heard, = Robert Quine,=20 guitarist extraordinaire for the Vodoids, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, John = Zorn,=20 Material, Brian Eno and oh so many more, has died. This man recorded = some=20 incredible music, intense, original, beautiful. And although I;m not = sure how=20 much he utilized looping techniques, his music was certainly concerned = with=20 the same essential things that most of us loopers are-- = texture, repetition--, rather than the usual riffs most rock=20 guitarists churn out.  So if you don't know his stuff = seek some=20 of it. Try John Zorn's Big Gundown, or Lou Reed's Blue Mask, or Tom = Waits'=20 Raindogs for starters. (Please feel free to disagree with my choices = and=20 suggest more. The more focus on Quine the better) You'll be happy you = did. And=20 if you do know him, then you can mourn with me...
 
One last thing, if anyone is interested in mounting a = tribute=20 concert or cd, count me in of course. i think that loopers would make = great=20 reinterpreters of Quine's stuff.
 
David Farewell
Palo Alto, CA

Looking to buy = a house? Get=20 informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN House & Home.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C44D97.259D1AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 21:30:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i591KuI02684; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:20:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:20:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c44dbf$e7be30b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <106D0870-B9AA-11D8-9BDA-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > can't copy the mod parameters? >ah. you are getting far more into it than i am. The problem was, I needed those mod parameters for expressive keyboard control early in my experience with the Z8, and I wanted to setup multiple programs with different electric piano sounds and pads, but I wanted the keyboard to be acting consistently across these different programs (getting back to the 'actually playing an instrument' idea...consistency!). So, I figured I'd setup some mod parameters I liked on one program, then copy them to the other programs, replace the sample set and keygroups and off I'd go. Then my nose got bloody from hitting the wall too quickly. >i lost my interest in the mod routings when i saw there was no way to modulate loop points in real time. Ahhh...see, I didn't even go there. All my sounds were essentially pre-built 'sound module' kindof sounds from sample discs. The few homebrewed 'samples' I had on there (from old radio shows) were all tidied up in Wavelab before they were transferred to the Z8. >one of my favourite things to do is leave the s/pdif from the PCM80 (my looper) plugged into the Akai to capture any loop i want to save for later. it is a bit more trouble than saving loops with the Repeater, but it's not _that_ hard. having the PS/2 keyboard plugged in also makes a big difference. Now, see? That's why this list is so addictive! You have just inspired me to pull that Z8 out again and enlist a PS/2 keyboard that is collecting dust, and capture some loops from my other loopers on it! I think that may be my next paradigm with the Z8...treating it as a 'sampler' more than a sound module... ...wait...no takers on it yet? Haha... best, rich www.asopaque.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 8 23:15:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i593DGc22859; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:13:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:13:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:07:13 -0400 Subject: Re: My first looper From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21DE5BFB-B71F-11D8-B5E9-000A9599D634@baymoon.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3169581176_285943" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3169581176_285943 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think my first looper was actually my ugly purple analog delay pedal circa 1982. Playing against my echoes got me into the idea of stacking my own sounds against each other while playing live. When I discovered digital delays and then actual loopers, later on, I was in hog heaven. Dan -- ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 6/5/04 2:35 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > My first looper was a DigiTech RDS3600 that I got in 1985. (I think.) > I've got a somewhat demented recording somewhere of me doing looped > improv on a PAiA Organtua through some Arion pedals into the RDS3600 > with the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220 providing the percussion track. I > have to figure out what to do with that some time. > > Mark > --B_3169581176_285943 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: My first looper I think my first looper was actually my ugly purple an= alog delay pedal circa 1982. Playing against my echoes got me into the idea = of stacking my own sounds against each other while playing live.

When I discovered digital delays and then actual loopers, later on, I was i= n hog heaven.

Dan


--
ghost 7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7




on 6/5/04 2:35 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:

My first looper was a DigiTech RDS3= 600 that I got in 1985. (I think.)
I've got a somewhat demented recording somewhere of me doing looped
improv on a PAiA Organtua through some Arion pedals into the RDS3600
with the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220 providing the percussion track. I
have to figure out what to do with that some time.

Mark


 --B_3169581176_285943-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 00:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59493h00821; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c44dd7$77cc4680$cd965142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <5b.5097dee7.2df7260c@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:08:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ > Well, I figure I may as well pop in with some input on this FUZZY topic before it goes away. I currently own only one distortion pedal, a Prescription Electronics "Experience" pedal. I use it VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY sparingly. > It's one of the most over-the-top FUZZ boxes I've found. However, like cooking with habanero chilies, a little goes a long way. It spends most of the time OFF or even OUT of the equipment setup altogether. I'd agree about the PE Experience Ted! One thing I've found amazing about the pedal, is that at low fuzz settings it gets a very cool grunt and sounds almost clean, while adding a lot of bottom end. Next is the octave mode... with lowered guitar volumes, diads create very intense ring modulated sounds quite different from the mayhem that comes out with high guitar volumes. Thirdly, chords and diads in this mode with full guit volume create amazingly dense and atonal industrial grind. Perfect for replace mode and sus-overdub noise blasts. It's the most versatile fuzz I've ever played. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 00:23:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i594MbI03352; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:22:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c44dd9$6a0c9cf0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: My first looper Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:22:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C44DB7.E2CE95C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C44DB7.E2CE95C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: My first looperMine was a DOD DFX94 the day it came out, used with a = Ibaenz DDl10, a Boss DM-2, a Boss RV-2 and a pile of other stuff. God I loved that pedal for YEARS. 4 seconds of 8-12 bit glory. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: Re: My first looper I think my first looper was actually my ugly purple analog delay pedal = circa 1982. Playing against my echoes got me into the idea of stacking = my own sounds against each other while playing live.=20 When I discovered digital delays and then actual loopers, later on, I = was in hog heaven. Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 6/5/04 2:35 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: My first looper was a DigiTech RDS3600 that I got in 1985. (I = think.)=20 I've got a somewhat demented recording somewhere of me doing looped=20 improv on a PAiA Organtua through some Arion pedals into the RDS3600 = with the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220 providing the percussion track. I=20 have to figure out what to do with that some time. Mark ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C44DB7.E2CE95C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: My first looper
Mine was a DOD DFX94 the day it came = out, used with=20 a Ibaenz DDl10, a Boss DM-2, a Boss RV-2 and a pile of other = stuff.
 
God I loved that pedal for YEARS.  = 4 seconds=20 of 8-12 bit glory.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 = 11:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: My first = looper

I think my first looper was = actually my ugly=20 purple analog delay pedal circa 1982. Playing against my echoes got me = into=20 the idea of stacking my own sounds against each other while playing = live.=20

When I discovered digital delays and then actual loopers, = later on, I=20 was in hog heaven.

Dan


--
ghost 7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproduction= s.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7




on 6/5/04 2:35 PM, Mark Hamburg at=20 mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:
My first looper was a DigiTech = RDS3600 that I=20 got in 1985. (I think.)
I've got a somewhat demented recording = somewhere=20 of me doing looped
improv on a PAiA Organtua through some Arion = pedals=20 into the RDS3600
with the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220 providing the = percussion track. I
have to figure out what to do with that some = time.

Mark


 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C44DB7.E2CE95C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 05:08:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5996cl22411; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:06:12 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c44dd7$77cc4680$cd965142@Biffoz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2z5UVB.A.hdF.JMtxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com miko writ: > From: > Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ > > >> Well, I figure I may as well pop in with some input on this FUZZY topic > before it goes away. I currently own only one distortion pedal, a > Prescription Electronics "Experience" pedal. I use it VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY > sparingly. > >> It's one of the most over-the-top FUZZ boxes I've found. However, like > cooking with habanero chilies, a little goes a long way. It spends most of > the time OFF or even OUT of the equipment setup altogether. > > I'd agree about the PE Experience Ted! > > One thing I've found amazing about the pedal, is that at low fuzz settings > it gets a very cool grunt and sounds almost clean, while adding a lot of > bottom end. > > Next is the octave mode... with lowered guitar volumes, diads create very > intense ring modulated sounds quite different from the mayhem that comes out > with high guitar volumes. > > Thirdly, chords and diads in this mode with full guit volume create > amazingly dense and atonal industrial grind. Perfect for replace mode and > sus-overdub noise blasts. It's the most versatile fuzz I've ever played. > let me add-just got back from @ slims(ear bleedin!) and everytime i see him (or in the past-dinosaur jr) i wanna get out my experience pedal # 1. i got #2 but it is nothing like #1-dont ask me why... the sound of that box is one of the most unique in fuzzdom-i have never tried different levels going in like is suggested since i have no pots on my guitars...but working w/ all the parameters that unit offers i get things i have never heard any other way-its a one o' the kind type thing i think... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 07:11:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59BAXk27656; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:10:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c44e12$4eb3ca80$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: I really should read the manual... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:09:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2Fvy-C.A.utG.MAvxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I've just discovered, thanks to my EFC footpedal misfiring (!), in out and flip modes on the EDP plus - anybody been doing much experimenting with these? it's a whole lot of fun to experiment with, and especially hairy as my expression pedal works back to front anyway!! Anyway, I'm going to play with them all some more this afternoon, and see what I can get it to do, but if anyone has any favourite tricks they want to share, that'd be cool... I'm coming towards the end of recording my new solo album, which is going very well, and am having lots of fun running two of my EDPs sync'd up (I know, I said it'd never happen... ;o)... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 09:35:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59DYOM09508; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:34:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:34:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011301c44e26$590fada0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20040608151228.11592.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <009c01c44d6c$f7248930$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <3A780B94-B963-11D8-990D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: sync a repeater to an edp? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:33:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks guys, i think that it will prove to be the "set them on different midi channels" problem. intuitively i set them to the same midi channel and i think that is what must be messing me up. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: sync a repeater to an edp? > > Use midi clock. > > Connect midi cable. > > Set EDP to sync out. > > Set ´peter to "MIDI sync" > > add to this, adjusting beats/cycle to an appropriate setting. Repeater wigs > out if you set too many beats/cycle on the EDP. sometimes you have to reset > the repeater if you send it too fast a tempo (which is a pain without a > power switch on the front). > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 10:27:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59EQop26810; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:26:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:26:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2004 14:26:22.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD499EF0:01C44E2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACTUALLY GUYS HERES A LINK http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/ModFX_Bitrman_Manual.pdf look for the Alesis series of DJ effects, they have a bitrate decimator that really does the damage. Phill >Don't get me started. I plunked down $300 for a suite of effects from >Audio Ease that included a granulator that was seriously one of the coolest >effects I've ever played with. They've been talking about doing an update >for OSX now for years, but I don't believe it will ever happen at this >point. I'd love to find a hardware solution. > >Mark > _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 10:28:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59ERHs27041; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:25:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2004 14:25:15.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[95239B10:01C44E2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com look for the Alesis series of DJ effects, they have a bitrate decimator that really does the damage. Phill >Don't get me started. I plunked down $300 for a suite of effects from >Audio Ease that included a granulator that was seriously one of the coolest >effects I've ever played with. They've been talking about doing an update >for OSX now for years, but I don't believe it will ever happen at this >point. I'd love to find a hardware solution. > >Mark > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 11:49:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59FlUu16633; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:47:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:47:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <011301c44e26$590fada0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> References: <20040608151228.11592.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <009c01c44d6c$f7248930$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <3A780B94-B963-11D8-990D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <011301c44e26$590fada0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41DDF83B-BA2C-11D8-B99E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: sync a repeater to an edp? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:47:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <05HMW.A.QCE.CEzxAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-09, at 15.33, Lance Chance wrote: > thanks guys, i think that it will prove to be the "set them on > different > midi channels" problem. intuitively i set them to the same midi > channel and > i think that is what must be messing me up. > lance Yes, instinct tends to mess things up for us humans ;-) pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 13:29:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59HQsl19951; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: can you synch four EDP'S? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c44e12$4eb3ca80$0100a8c0@trucknutz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is it possible to synch three or four EDP's? damon -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:10 AM To: Loop List Subject: I really should read the manual... OK, I've just discovered, thanks to my EFC footpedal misfiring (!), in out and flip modes on the EDP plus - anybody been doing much experimenting with these? it's a whole lot of fun to experiment with, and especially hairy as my expression pedal works back to front anyway!! Anyway, I'm going to play with them all some more this afternoon, and see what I can get it to do, but if anyone has any favourite tricks they want to share, that'd be cool... I'm coming towards the end of recording my new solo album, which is going very well, and am having lots of fun running two of my EDPs sync'd up (I know, I said it'd never happen... ;o)... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 14:30:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59IQIp32048; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: can you synch four EDP'S? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:25:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c44e4f$276f6050$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had 6 synced up in test once. Not sure what the max is; Matthias told me what the theoretical was, but I've forgotten. -----Original Message----- From: Damon Grossman [mailto:damongrossman@comcast.net] Sent: 09 June 2004 18:27 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: can you synch four EDP'S? is it possible to synch three or four EDP's? damon -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:10 AM To: Loop List Subject: I really should read the manual... OK, I've just discovered, thanks to my EFC footpedal misfiring (!), in out and flip modes on the EDP plus - anybody been doing much experimenting with these? it's a whole lot of fun to experiment with, and especially hairy as my expression pedal works back to front anyway!! Anyway, I'm going to play with them all some more this afternoon, and see what I can get it to do, but if anyone has any favourite tricks they want to share, that'd be cool... I'm coming towards the end of recording my new solo album, which is going very well, and am having lots of fun running two of my EDPs sync'd up (I know, I said it'd never happen... ;o)... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 15:30:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59JSwY10476; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:28:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Jun 2004 19:27:45 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "dtred dfertf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:28:26 -0500 Subject: Guillermo Cides with Jethro Tull / Loop Live X-Originating-Ip: 62.175.104.57 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040609192826.2C5C74BDA6@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all The official Stick Center web site have available for download a complete song of Guillermo Cides, popular stickplayer that was opening the concerts of Jethro Tull in Argentina. He is specialized in loops with his Stick, you can listen the complete song here: http://www.stickcenter.com/Boletines/jethrotull_e.html The song was recorded in a big theater where 5.000 peoples saw how Cides make song by song with his old Jam Man! I hope you enjoy it too. Best David -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 15:30:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59JT3010485; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c44e57$cc8f9660$3f965142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:27:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > let me add-just got back from @ slims(ear bleedin!) and everytime i see him (or in the past-dinosaur jr) i wanna get out my experience pedal # 1. i got #2 but it is nothing like #1-dont ask me why... the sound of that box is one of the most unique in fuzzdom-i have never tried different levels going in like is suggested since i have no pots on my guitars...but working w/ all the parameters that unit offers i get things i have never heard any other way-its a one o' the kind type thing i think... stanitarium Hey Stanner... A volume pedal in front of your pedal chain could work. Or a light overdrive with the output set low can accomplish similar things. I've had a couple of the newer PE Exp's and find my old original is the best of the bunch. I sold the others. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 18:37:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59MZg511374; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:35:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c44e72$b1a008b0$c8e7d0d9@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <00a401c44d7e$997fbcc0$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:09:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Maybe we're actually saying the same thing and I'm just reacting > strongly to the phrase "virtually impossible." Hehe, indeed we are. ;) > other than live loop fanatics. Often in a production setting I have a > loop I would like to use as a master, and as such I would prefer that it > not be granulated (even subtly), and that all the other loops sync to > it. Well put (my thoughts exactly), the code for finding out the tempo of a loop isn't hard since the theory isn't hard. But implementing it in the current sample-slot engine that Live uses, i just can't help to think that it would be hard. Unless maybe a modification to it adding something like a new "Master Tempo Channel" so you could have several samples, loaded or recorded on the fly, with different master tempos so Live just change the tempo and stretches all other samples as usual. That way you could have either Samples in each Tempo Slot or perhaps even just a Tempo event setting. So you could trigger new tempo-settings with the click of a button. ;) How's that for an implementation? Maybe we should suggest that to Ableton. That's one thing that cheaper priced sequencers of today tend to loose focus on, a song usually is just one tempo all the way through, not by choice but because the software some musicians use doesn't support changing of tempos throughout the song. /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 19:09:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i59N73P18408; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:07:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000801c44dbf$e7be30b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <000801c44dbf$e7be30b0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:06:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <-BK_1.A.-eE.Ag5xAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:20 PM, the toy room wrote: > Now, see? That's why this list is so addictive! You have just > inspired > me to pull that Z8 out again and enlist a PS/2 keyboard that is > collecting dust, and capture some loops from my other loopers on it! I > think that may be my next paradigm with the Z8...treating it as a > 'sampler' more than a sound module... coolness. i discovered last night while in a mastering session (which involved some sound design ... Peoria's a crazy place) that while in the sample loop edit mode that i can play the sample via MIDI and adjust the loop points to get the effect i wanted. it hadn't even occurred to me to try it that way. considering the output of the sampler goes into the FilterFactory and i have the USB connection, i could possibly actually pull that stuff at a gig. like my own little Publison Infernal Machine! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 21:11:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5A19mZ11746; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:09:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c44e87$8ef997d0$250110ac@rodrigo> From: "Rodrigo Constanzo" To: References: <00a401c44d7e$997fbcc0$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> <000201c44e72$b1a008b0$c8e7d0d9@waggy> Subject: A DIFF : re:Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:09:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i guess im jumping in a little late, but ive been having a hoot with live lately and was wondering if some of you live pros could tell me something can you do asynchronous loops in live?, from what ive gathered it just stretches/shrinks whatever you drop in to fit the tempo, is there a way to make it play whatever loops you add loop at their own tempi but within teh same liveset? and can you combine it stretch/shrinking loops AND leaving loops at their own tempi at the same time? thanks rodrigo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tias" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:09 AM Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > > Maybe we're actually saying the same thing and I'm just reacting > > strongly to the phrase "virtually impossible." > > Hehe, indeed we are. ;) > > > other than live loop fanatics. Often in a production setting I have a > > loop I would like to use as a master, and as such I would prefer that it > > not be granulated (even subtly), and that all the other loops sync to > > it. > > Well put (my thoughts exactly), the code for finding out the tempo of a loop > isn't hard since the theory isn't hard. > But implementing it in the current sample-slot engine that Live uses, i just > can't help to think that it would be hard. Unless maybe a modification to it > adding something like a new "Master Tempo Channel" so you could have several > samples, loaded or recorded on the fly, with different master tempos so Live > just change the tempo and stretches all other samples as usual. > > That way you could have either Samples in each Tempo Slot or perhaps even > just a Tempo event setting. So you could trigger new tempo-settings with the > click of a button. ;) > > How's that for an implementation? Maybe we should suggest that to Ableton. > > That's one thing that cheaper priced sequencers of today tend to loose focus > on, a song usually is just one tempo all the way through, not by choice but > because the software some musicians use doesn't support changing of tempos > throughout the song. > > /Tias > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 22:16:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5A2FB222295; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c44e91$3beb0920$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Items for sale Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C44E6F.B4A70E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C44E6F.B4A70E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, all: I don't know if anyone's interested but I'm selling an EGO-SYS DR. 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I also was selling a 2 month old Fender = Cyber=20 Deluxe amplifier in absolute mint condition including all orignal = accessories,=20 foot switch, original box, etc for $550.00 but the eBay ad expired. If=20 interested, let me know....
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C44E6F.B4A70E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 9 22:42:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5A2dxT26494; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00df01c44e94$b4e2b820$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Computer Recording Interfaces Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:43:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C44E73.2C722460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C44E73.2C722460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey: I was wondering how some of the newer recording interfaces performed as = I was pondering acquiring a new one. I currently am using a Tascam = 428-USB. It's got pretty good functionality and input capability (for my = needs anyway) but I always thought the sound quality was a little off. = I've used other devices in the past and thought most of them sounded = better than the Tascam. For example, the Aardvark Direct Pro, Event = Gina, Digi001. I think these all had better recording sound quality then = the Tascam. Maybe I'm mistaken because it's a subjective thing.=20 Anyhoo, I was wondering about the Mbox and the Lexicon Omega. They both = look pretty interesting. Comment,s anyone? Regards, Butch ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C44E73.2C722460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey:
 
I was wondering how some of the newer = recording=20 interfaces performed as I was pondering acquiring a new one. I currently = am=20 using a Tascam 428-USB. It's got pretty good functionality and input = capability=20 (for my needs anyway) but I always thought the sound quality was a = little off.=20 I've used other devices in the past and thought most of them sounded = better than=20 the Tascam. For example, the Aardvark Direct Pro, Event Gina, Digi001. I = think=20 these all had better recording sound quality then the Tascam. Maybe I'm = mistaken=20 because it's a subjective thing.
 
Anyhoo, I was wondering about the Mbox = and the=20 Lexicon Omega. They both look pretty interesting. Comment,s=20 anyone?
 
Regards, = Butch
------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C44E73.2C722460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 01:50:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5A5ndq26361; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:49:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:49:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c44eae$abec90a0$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: Subject: Three great looping artists in Berkeley Thursday night! Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:49:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is going to be a fun night with three looping solo artists with diverse talents in Berkeley, California. Amy X Neuburg, Brian Kenney Fresno and Andre LaFosse. For more info, see the forwarded message below. Brian's web site is at http://www.bonghitrecords.com/ and features numerous full-length audio clips of his amazing looped Warr Guitar playing. (I'm forwarding this on to the list on my own, Amy had nothing to do with it. I know she's been mentioned here before so hopefully this is on-topic) The Starry Plough is a really cool Irish pub near downtown Berkeley. Get there early for some wicked hamburgers, pizza and some choice microbrews. - Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy X Neuburg" <> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: Froot / Loops And for further enticement, I have been informed that Brian is bringing Free Fresh Fruit from FRESNO! to the Starry Plough gig. Three crazy-ass electronic looping artists -- Lots o' free fresh fruit -- All for a mere 5 bux! See you there! Exclamation point! ********************* THURSDAY JUNE 10 Ye goode olde STARRY PLOUGH 3101 Shattuck, Berkeley This will be a trés cool evening. At 9:30 is one of my favorite looping dudes of all time -- Andre LaFosse, up from LA with his wacked-out guitar stuff. I'm on at 10:30 with some of my top 40 hits and a new-ish thang or two. At 11:30 it's none other than the notorious Brian Kenney-Fresno. If you have not experienced Brian Kenney-Fresno, you have not lived. Also: FRIDAY JUNE 11 I'll be one of 4 arteests presented at the 8th annual ELECTRON SALON RIO THEATRE 1205 Soquel Ave., Santa Cruz The theme this year is "Theatre, Songs & Electronics" and will be accompanied by live video. An extremely happening event. For more info check out http://www.elsaproductions.com. Show starts 8 PM. Not to mention: SATURDAY JUNE 19 Sittin' in, as they say, as guest vocalist with neo-prog-jazz virtuosi JACK WEST & CURVATURE CONNECTICUT YANKEE 100 Connecticut St, SF -- 10 PM I'll be improvising and god-knows-what with these exceptionally creative and talented dudes. Here's their site: http://www.curvature.us/. Turns out it's NOT free -- 5 bucks, which is only five bucks different from Free. Hope to see you! Love and xx - a ************ New NEUS and reviews at http://www.isproductions.com/amy/shows.html. New CD -- "Residue" -- out and about. Get one: http://cdbaby.com/cd/neuburg4 http://www.otherminds.org/shtml/Residue.shtml http://www.electro-music.com/catalog/ Amoeba Records ************* -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ Amy X Neuburg +++ http://www.isproductions.com/amy ++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 04:24:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5A8MuR22290; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:22:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:22:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040610085634.027eeeb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:17:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:I really should read the manual... In-Reply-To: <200406100242.i5A2gxP27038@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406100242.i5A2gxP27038@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:42 10/06/04, you wrote: >OK, I've just discovered, thanks to my EFC footpedal misfiring (!), in out >and flip modes on the EDP plus - anybody been doing much experimenting with >these? it's a whole lot of fun to experiment with, and especially hairy as >my expression pedal works back to front anyway!! Hi Steve In - Eberhard Weber uses Delay Mode ( where the pedal does Input control, but Overdub is "backwards"), but the result is the same. A nice thing to do is to just "swell" a few notes into the loop to create a backing. So the live sounds have attack, but the loop sounds are smooth. Out- Just like the Loop Vol control on your DL4 Flip- Ah..yes ..Flip Mode. sort of a soft glitch , there's a demo in the LD "tools of the trade/EDP" section. ...Insert works like in Stutter Mode ...a good tip is to put Rec=SAF, making it easy to start an "ordinary" loop, then crossfade it into abstraction. hey, now 3 people have tried it :-) Rep- Replace Mode. Lets you hear the effect of feedback changes straight away, which makes it easier to mix loop layers as you add them. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 09:34:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ADWux17243; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:32:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:32:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:31:30 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: PE fuzz vs. French Toast (was Re: OT: FUZZ) To: Miko Biffle , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004301c44eef$cae56cc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004701c44dd7$77cc4680$cd965142@Biffoz> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The description of the PE fuzz sounds so similar to the Danelectro French Toast, I'm wondering if anyone has done an A-B comparison? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ > From: > Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ > > > > Well, I figure I may as well pop in with some input on this FUZZY topic > before it goes away. I currently own only one distortion pedal, a > Prescription Electronics "Experience" pedal. I use it VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY > sparingly. > > > It's one of the most over-the-top FUZZ boxes I've found. However, like > cooking with habanero chilies, a little goes a long way. It spends most of > the time OFF or even OUT of the equipment setup altogether. > > I'd agree about the PE Experience Ted! > > One thing I've found amazing about the pedal, is that at low fuzz settings > it gets a very cool grunt and sounds almost clean, while adding a lot of > bottom end. > > Next is the octave mode... with lowered guitar volumes, diads create very > intense ring modulated sounds quite different from the mayhem that comes out > with high guitar volumes. > > Thirdly, chords and diads in this mode with full guit volume create > amazingly dense and atonal industrial grind. Perfect for replace mode and > sus-overdub noise blasts. It's the most versatile fuzz I've ever played. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 12:50:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5AGmsJ26664; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40C89178.1090408@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:51:04 +0100 From: Pink Flamingo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling References: <20040608103645.86123.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040608103645.86123.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is awesome! Look at the video on Harmony Central if you haven't already... http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/ Chris L. Angulo wrote: >i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system >that will make my life easier on stage playing in open >tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am quite >impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried >one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > >http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > >this is probably better if you have the money! > >http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm >cheers >L.a > >===== >www.luis-angulo.com > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 14:06:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5AI5iu11588; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "DAVE BRAY" To: Subject: BEST MIDI FOOTCONTROLLER FOR EDP CURRENTLY MADE? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:05:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44EE3.2AF70130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2004 18:05:14.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A9291F0:01C44F15] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44EE3.2AF70130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, wondering which MIDI footcontroler I should get for the EDP? The = Digitech PMC-10 is soo hard to find. The Nobels MF-2 looks like it does = it all. 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hello, wondering which MIDI = footcontroler I should=20 get for the EDP? The Digitech PMC-10 is soo hard to find. The Nobels = MF-2 looks=20 like it does it all. Thanx!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44EE3.2AF70130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 15:03:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5AJ1Qi24012; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:01:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:01:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.236b28e9.2dfa09df@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:00:47 EDT Subject: EDP - "next" = restart??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d9.236b28e9.2dfa09df_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d9.236b28e9.2dfa09df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Here's one that's got me baffled. Currently if I press the next button on my EDP (loop IV) the Loop IV startup sequence comes on the screen and then I'm in a "mode" where pressing record now means "wait for audio" Any thoughts? More loops is set to 2. The "symptoms" occur whether using the front panel, or a MIDI controller. Thanks for any tips! Tom Griesgraber --part1_1d9.236b28e9.2dfa09df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Here's one that's got me baffled.  Currently if I press the next butto= n on my EDP (loop IV) the Loop IV startup sequence comes on the screen and t= hen I'm in a "mode" where pressing record now means "wait for audio"  =20=

Any thoughts?

More loops is set to 2.  The "symptoms" occur whether using the front=20= panel, or a MIDI controller.

Thanks for any tips!
Tom Griesgraber
 --part1_1d9.236b28e9.2dfa09df_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 15:09:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5AJ7kg25172; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1086891674.40c8a69ab17df@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:21:14 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: BEST MIDI FOOTCONTROLLER FOR EDP CURRENTLY MADE? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting DAVE BRAY : > hello, wondering which MIDI footcontroler I should get for the EDP? The > Digitech PMC-10 is soo hard to find. The Nobels MF-2 looks like it does it > all. Thanx!!! Couldn't say whether it's the best or not but the Behringher FCB1010 has been working pretty well for me. The switches may not be the best for precisely timed clicking though. I generally use mine synced up to a drum machine that my drummer and I play with as a click-track so timing isn't quite as important. I just need to click it slightly before the beat and it will quantize it for me. That being said, I haven't had any problems with timing when I use it without the sync. It's probably a matter of taste though. The switches are a little stiff when compared to the original pedal and they have a bit more travel so if you're just casually stepping on the button to trigger it, it might be harder to get the timing as tight as with the original EDP footswitch. Of course, you don't get the malfunctions that you do with the EDP footswitch though. I tend to step hard and fast on mine and that seems to work well. The FCB1010 has two expression pedals which can be used to control the feedback and output volume on the EDP. 10 banks of 10 settings give you more than enough settings for the EDP. Note that some FCB's have shipped with non-functional expression pedals (guess that's one of the quality control issues with Behringer). The first one I got had this problem and then I read that other people had the same problem. Musicians Friend has it for $150 but I could swear I paid a lot less than that for mine. Perhaps the price went up. I think that's still cheaper than any other similar MIDI foot controllers. It's pretty flexible too. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 15:25:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5AJOdL28870; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c44f20$83e1d620$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <1d9.236b28e9.2dfa09df@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP - "next" = restart??? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:24:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the magical All reset of the edp is power on with the params button pressed Claude > Hi all, > > Here's one that's got me baffled. Currently if I press the next button on > my EDP (loop IV) the Loop IV startup sequence comes on the screen and then I'm > in a "mode" where pressing record now means "wait for audio" > > Any thoughts? > > More loops is set to 2. The "symptoms" occur whether using the front panel, > or a MIDI controller. > > Thanks for any tips! > Tom Griesgraber > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 17:48:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ALkid25062; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040610144403.01c75278@nightviewer.com> X-Sender: mbarrs@nightviewer.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:46:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike Barrs Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling In-Reply-To: References: <200406082108.i58L87c16183@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Roland's V-Guitar system let you so all sorts of things with the >tuning--alternate tunings, octave displacements, etc. You had to make >sure you were playing loud enough that you didn't hear any acoustic sound >from your instrument though, because it sounded horrible. You also miss >out on all the sympathetic resonances that actual alternate tunings >encourage, so things were a bit "dead" sounding be comparison. > >I know that Joni Mitchell used the V-Guitar system to replace carrying six >or eight guitars which required her tech to retune over the course the >evening. A friend of mine saw one of those shows and said the results >were less than convincing to his ears, which is a shame. > >TravisH I use a VG-88 and you're right about the dissonance, if the guitar is too acoustically alive. I drive my VG-88 with a semihollow archtop, and that's about as much natural acoustic response as I'd want. It's enough to get a little "woodiness" and "air" into the tone of the patches, but not so much that I'm hearing dissonance, or feeling an odd vibration against my body when the guitar is making different notes than those coming out of the speakers. I also agree that the acoustic modeling in the VG-88 isn't that great, just "okay" for certain jobs. I mostly use very clean, low distortion, "hi fi" electric guitar patches for my altered tuning and octave shifted tunes. It's sort of a Tuck Andress jazz guitar tone that doesn't sound as artificial as most of the acoustic patches. The one really good acoustic patch in the VG-88 (IMO) is the nylon string, which I think sounds at least as good as a typical piezo pickup on a solidbody nylon string like a Godin, or a Gibson Chet Atkins CE. Unfortunately the VG-88 doesn't let you do any pitch shifting on that nylon patch... probably because it's using up all the DSP to run the model. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 23:03:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B31vc27455; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:01:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:01:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "DAVE BRAY" To: Subject: MIDI/ReAlign AlesisSR-16,EDP Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44F2E.0FCDEC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 03:01:17.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D1EC990:01C44F60] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44F2E.0FCDEC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am working w/ an EDP and an Alesis SR-16 drum machine, I have = them hooked via MIDI so the SR-16 is sending the clock to the EDP. I am = not using a MIDI footcontroller (as of yet), just a two-button pedal for = the SR-16 and the standard EDP controller. I am stumped, 2 things 1. = there is the realign function, I would like them aligned all the time, = right now when I start the record on loop 2 everything falls apart. 2. = When I set the EDP to switch to Loop 2 (switchQuant is set to lop) and = am waiting for loop 1 to finish so I can record loop 2 with the drums = still playing, the EDP cuts off the last two measures of Loop 1. Anyone = with experience hooking an EDP up w/ an SR-16 or similar, I would = greatly appreciate any advice. Many thanx to David Grossman for the = Beringer Controller recomendation. dave ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44F2E.0FCDEC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, I am working w/ an EDP and an = Alesis SR-16=20 drum machine, I have them hooked via MIDI so the SR-16 is sending the = clock to=20 the EDP. I am not using a MIDI footcontroller (as of yet), just a = two-button=20 pedal for the SR-16 and the standard EDP controller. I am stumped, 2 = things 1.=20 there is the realign function, I would like them aligned all the time, = right now=20 when I start the record on loop 2 everything falls apart. 2. When I set = the EDP=20 to switch to Loop 2 (switchQuant is set to lop) and am waiting for loop = 1 to=20 finish so I can record loop 2 with the drums still playing, the EDP cuts = off the=20 last two measures of Loop 1. Anyone with experience hooking an EDP up w/ = an=20 SR-16 or similar, I would greatly appreciate any advice. Many thanx to = David=20 Grossman for the Beringer Controller recomendation.=20 dave
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44F2E.0FCDEC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 10 23:29:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B3QZS31500; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c44f63$bb5fa260$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI/ReAlign AlesisSR-16,EDP Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:25:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C44F29.0D21AA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <0aA0yD.A.qpH.jYSyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C44F29.0D21AA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From what I understand, the realign function should only be necessary if = you are getting out of sync with the clock. That can happen if the clock = timing isn't consistant enough. It locks onto the timing when you start = your clock but then it can drift apart. It is supposed to realign itself = though. If you have feedback set to anything other than 100 or you are = in overdub mode for a while, they can drift and you can force a realign. = At least that's how I remember it. Wait until a half a beat before the end of loop 1 to switch to loop 2. = You are probably set to be quantized at a duration that is less than the = duration of loop 1 so if you switch too early, it will switch at the = next cycle. Always trigger the change just a partial beat before the end = of the cycle. If you try and do it at the cycle it's easy to get it too = late and then the timing will be screwed up. If you do it too early, you = may cut off your first loop. Glad the pedal advice helped. If anyone knows of a better MIDI pedal to = use with the Echoplex, I'd like to hear about it too. Sincerely, Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DAVE BRAY=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: MIDI/ReAlign AlesisSR-16,EDP Hello, I am working w/ an EDP and an Alesis SR-16 drum machine, I have = them hooked via MIDI so the SR-16 is sending the clock to the EDP. I am = not using a MIDI footcontroller (as of yet), just a two-button pedal for = the SR-16 and the standard EDP controller. I am stumped, 2 things 1. = there is the realign function, I would like them aligned all the time, = right now when I start the record on loop 2 everything falls apart. 2. = When I set the EDP to switch to Loop 2 (switchQuant is set to lop) and = am waiting for loop 1 to finish so I can record loop 2 with the drums = still playing, the EDP cuts off the last two measures of Loop 1. Anyone = with experience hooking an EDP up w/ an SR-16 or similar, I would = greatly appreciate any advice. Many thanx to David Grossman for the = Beringer Controller recomendation. dave ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C44F29.0D21AA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From what I understand, the realign = function should=20 only be necessary if you are getting out of sync with the clock. That = can happen=20 if the clock timing isn't consistant enough. It locks onto the timing = when you=20 start your clock but then it can drift apart. It is supposed to realign = itself=20 though. If you have feedback set to anything other than 100 or you are = in=20 overdub mode for a while, they can drift and you can force a realign. At = least=20 that's how I remember it.
 
Wait until a half a beat before the end = of loop 1=20 to switch to loop 2. You are probably set to be quantized at a duration = that is=20 less than the duration of loop 1 so if you switch too early, it will = switch at=20 the next cycle. Always trigger the change just a partial beat before the = end of=20 the cycle. If you try and do it at the cycle it's easy to get it too = late and=20 then the timing will be screwed up. If you do it too early, you may cut = off your=20 first loop.
 
Glad the pedal advice helped. If anyone = knows of a=20 better MIDI pedal to use with the Echoplex, I'd like to hear about it=20 too.
 
    = Sincerely,
 
       =20 Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DAVE=20 BRAY
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 = 9:01=20 PM
Subject: MIDI/ReAlign=20 AlesisSR-16,EDP

Hello, I am working w/ an EDP and an = Alesis SR-16=20 drum machine, I have them hooked via MIDI so the SR-16 is sending the = clock to=20 the EDP. I am not using a MIDI footcontroller (as of yet), just a = two-button=20 pedal for the SR-16 and the standard EDP controller. I am stumped, 2 = things 1.=20 there is the realign function, I would like them aligned all the time, = right=20 now when I start the record on loop 2 everything falls apart. 2. When = I set=20 the EDP to switch to Loop 2 (switchQuant is set to lop) and am waiting = for=20 loop 1 to finish so I can record loop 2 with the drums still playing, = the EDP=20 cuts off the last two measures of Loop 1. Anyone with experience = hooking an=20 EDP up w/ an SR-16 or similar, I would greatly appreciate any advice. = Many=20 thanx to David Grossman for the Beringer Controller recomendation.=20 dave
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C44F29.0D21AA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 01:32:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B5VJ220688; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1864.4.27.149.72.1086931844.squirrel@www.thetentacle.org> In-Reply-To: <200406062019.i56KJ7q20725@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406062019.i56KJ7q20725@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DL4 / Expression Pedal From: squidloop@thetentacle.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [619 620] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - t15.t15.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just started using my Boss EV5 with my DL4 and I was wondering if anybody else has come across this problem. The pedal seems to do fine when you first plug it in but after a few uses it doesn't seem to remember the delay settings between sweeps. Anybody else know what’s up - is it one of those proprietary things - USE OUR LINE 666 EXPRESSION PEDAL ONLY :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 02:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B6mYn03214; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040611064810.47133.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: DL4 / Expression Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1864.4.27.149.72.1086931844.squirrel@www.thetentacle.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0Z6XeB.A.jx.wWVyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In short, yes; I emailed Line 6 about this problem after I first got the DL4 a couple months ago, and they said something to the effect that "the only pedal we can guarantee will work is the Line 6 pedal" (not an exact quote). I've tried using my Ernie Ball with the exact same problem you're describing. Another had posted to this list, however, that he'd had luck switching the ground on his volume pedal, but I'm just passing this on... Matt Herman funender.com/music/herman --- squidloop@thetentacle.org wrote: > I just started using my Boss EV5 with my DL4 and I > was wondering if > anybody else has come across this problem. > > The pedal seems to do fine when you first plug it in > but after a few uses > it doesn't seem to remember the delay settings > between sweeps. > > Anybody else know what’s up - is it one of those > proprietary things - USE > OUR LINE 666 EXPRESSION PEDAL ONLY :) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 03:04:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B73h807312; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:33:24 +0930 Subject: Loop stuff being sold From: Chris Puglisi To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm selling some gear which includes a Repeater and a Korg 12 Channel Line Mixer Anyone interested please email me directly. Cheers, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 04:25:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B8NkH24087; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:23:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was reading the interview with Chris Vrenna in Electronic Musician Magazine yesterday and he mentioned that he co-wrote his entire latest CD (Tweaker) using the same small set of generic sounds for drums, bass keyboards and pads on every song. He said he did that because he didn't want any of the sound design to get in the way of the emotional impact of the actual chords and structure of the tunes. He wanted to make sure that the strongs themselves were strong without the benefit of cool timbres. He then said that when he was finished writing and arranging the tunes that he went back in and began replacing the sounds with innovative sound design. I thought this was a really interesting approach to circumventing musical ruts and it got me to thinking about other potential ways that we can use to get ourselves out of our normal musical ruts (for composition; for improvisation; for looping, whatever). Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be interested in contributing to a thread on tactics or devices that we use to break ourselves out of our musical ruts. good writing, everybody, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 04:54:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5B8rtY28636; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:53:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:53:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5OXs.A.y-G.SMXyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was reading the interview with Chris Vrenna in Electronic Musician > Magazine yesterday > and he mentioned that he co-wrote his entire latest CD (Tweaker) using the > same small set of > generic sounds for drums, bass keyboards and pads on every song. > > He said he did that because he didn't want any of the sound design to get in > the way of > the emotional impact of the actual chords and structure of the tunes. He > wanted to make sure > that the strongs themselves were strong without the benefit of cool timbres. > He then said that > when he was finished writing and arranging the tunes that he went back in > and began replacing > the sounds with innovative sound design. > > I thought this was a really interesting approach to circumventing musical > ruts and it got me to thinking about > other potential ways that we can use to get ourselves out of our normal > musical ruts (for composition; > for improvisation; for looping, whatever). > > Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be interested in contributing to a > thread on tactics or devices > that we use to break ourselves out of our musical ruts. > > good writing, everybody, > Rick Walker > i read that article and thought his thinking was very cool-so i went and bought the cd-its been playing ever since-i like it alot-not stuff i would normally listen to(and my neighbors arent too happy about the purchase either, they're never happy :-) seeya stan (btw, i luv musical ruts-they just get deeper and deeper til there's no way out...kinda like a loop) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 06:03:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BA2J309543; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:02:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c44f9b$ce6f1c90$c8e7d0d9@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <00a401c44d7e$997fbcc0$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> <000201c44e72$b1a008b0$c8e7d0d9@waggy> <001e01c44e87$8ef997d0$250110ac@rodrigo> Subject: Re: A DIFF : re:Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:06:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course you can! ;) Either just turn off all warp-markers for unlimited de-sync or just change the looplength to something like 7/8 long or anything else funny that goes out of sync and then comes back after a while. /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Constanzo" To: Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:09 AM Subject: A DIFF : re:Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > i guess im jumping in a little late, but ive been having a hoot with live > lately and was wondering if some of you live pros could tell me something > > can you do asynchronous loops in live?, from what ive gathered it just > stretches/shrinks whatever you drop in to fit the tempo, is there a way to > make it play whatever loops you add loop at their own tempi but within teh > same liveset? > and can you combine it stretch/shrinking loops AND leaving loops at their > own tempi at the same time? > > thanks > > rodrigo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tias" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:09 AM > Subject: Re: 1st Loop Workaround in Ableton's LIVE 4.0 > > > > > Maybe we're actually saying the same thing and I'm just reacting > > > strongly to the phrase "virtually impossible." > > > > Hehe, indeed we are. ;) > > > > > other than live loop fanatics. Often in a production setting I have a > > > loop I would like to use as a master, and as such I would prefer that it > > > not be granulated (even subtly), and that all the other loops sync to > > > it. > > > > Well put (my thoughts exactly), the code for finding out the tempo of a > loop > > isn't hard since the theory isn't hard. > > But implementing it in the current sample-slot engine that Live uses, i > just > > can't help to think that it would be hard. Unless maybe a modification to > it > > adding something like a new "Master Tempo Channel" so you could have > several > > samples, loaded or recorded on the fly, with different master tempos so > Live > > just change the tempo and stretches all other samples as usual. > > > > That way you could have either Samples in each Tempo Slot or perhaps even > > just a Tempo event setting. So you could trigger new tempo-settings with > the > > click of a button. ;) > > > > How's that for an implementation? Maybe we should suggest that to Ableton. > > > > That's one thing that cheaper priced sequencers of today tend to loose > focus > > on, a song usually is just one tempo all the way through, not by choice > but > > because the software some musicians use doesn't support changing of tempos > > throughout the song. > > > > /Tias > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 07:12:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BBBPn21942; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:11:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1086952213!14952338 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534451@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:08:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C44FA4.6DE26180" Resent-Message-ID: <45mShD.A.kTF.kMZyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44FA4.6DE26180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I just started using my Boss EV5 with my DL4 and I was wondering if anybody else has come across this problem. The pedal seems to do fine when you first plug it in but after a few uses it doesn't seem to remember the delay settings between sweeps. Anybody else know what's up - is it one of those proprietary things - USE OUR LINE 666 EXPRESSION PEDAL ONLY :)<< weird. afaik, & this is what works on my dl4, it's a normal expression pedal with the tip & ring connections reversed. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I just started using my Boss EV5 with my DL4 and = I was wondering if
anybody else has come across this problem.

The pedal seems to do fine when you first plug it in but = after a few uses
it doesn't seem to remember the delay settings between s= weeps.

Anybody else know what's up - is it one of those propriet= ary things - USE
OUR LINE 666 EXPRESSION PEDAL ONLY :)<<

weird. afaik, & this is what works on my dl4, it's a = normal expression pedal with the tip & ring connections reversed.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44FA4.6DE26180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 09:46:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BDirk20832; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.40] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:42:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 13:42:46.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA5931B0:01C44FB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had this problem, I have no way to tast this but here is my theory. I thnk that the Line 6 prop. pedal has a smaller rannge then regular Exp pedals. when you first set it up you are setting maximum ranges of your perameters, but when you start moving the pedal back and forth, it goes through the range but ends up in a "grey area" that is beyond where the are meant to be. I figured this because if I use heel down for my "no delay" loop setting and about halfway across the throw for "six repeats" I can move back and forth etween them well,until I try to push the pedal beyond that limit, then t goes rather crazy. I therefore blamed a longer range on my non prop exp pedal then on the line 6 one. whet does this mean??? well I guess if you know more about this then me you could replace the poteniometer or whatever you call it with one of a smaller range, or as a quick fix you might be able to find the range of you pedal and stick an apropriatly sized bit of wood under the toe so you cant go out of range, or do what i did and spring the rather extortionate price for the real exp pedal. good luck Phill >From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:08:31 +0100 > > >>I just started using my Boss EV5 with my DL4 and I was wondering if >anybody else has come across this problem. > >The pedal seems to do fine when you first plug it in but after a few uses >it doesn't seem to remember the delay settings between sweeps. > >Anybody else know what's up - is it one of those proprietary things - USE >OUR LINE 666 EXPRESSION PEDAL ONLY :)<< > >weird. afaik, & this is what works on my dl4, it's a normal expression >pedal with the tip & ring connections reversed. > >d. > > >*************************************************************************** >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >be privileged. 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Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 10:12:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BEBaC27175; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts In-Reply-To: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-ID: References: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, loop.pool wrote: [snip] > I thought this was a really interesting approach to circumventing musical > ruts and it got me to thinking about > other potential ways that we can use to get ourselves out of our normal > musical ruts (for composition; > for improvisation; for looping, whatever). > > Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be interested in contributing to a > thread on tactics or devices > that we use to break ourselves out of our musical ruts. Sure, here's a few things I do to broaden a rut: Pick my favorite effect in my signal chain, declare it overused, and remove it. Pick my least-used effect in my signal chain, and focus on it. Look outside (I have big windows in my music room). Play with the weather. I head for the music room during a thunderstorm when it's passing nearby. By paying attention to the timing between lightning flash and the thunder reaching me I can treat it as a *really long* reverb from the storm and synchronize to play with the thunder. (Not interested in having a personal experience with lightning, I tend to either stop when the strom gets directly overhead, or switch to something acoustic, or to theremin being non-contact). Work with someone new. For example, recently I've been working with a very talented and experienced acoustic guitarist who plays blues and bluegrass. This being pretty alien territory to me, I've had to work hard to find anything in myself that I consider both interesting and complementary to contribute in our jam sessions. Grab one of Brian Eno's Oblique Strategy cards and apply it. I hope these are interesting and even useful ideas for others. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 10:58:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BEw3202991; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040611145747.46655.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4kqXa.A.Eu.thcyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lol c wrote: > whet does this mean??? well I guess if you know more about this then me you > could replace the poteniometer or whatever you call it with one of a smaller > range, or as a quick fix you might be able to find the range of you pedal > and stick an apropriatly sized bit of wood under the toe so you cant go out > of range, or do what i did and spring the rather extortionate price for the > real exp pedal. I presume any pedal with the right value and taper of pot in it would work with the thing. Seems like people have posted these characteristics here in the past. However, what I don't understand is all the griping about the cost of the Line6 exp pedal. When I look at places like AMS and Musicians Friend, the price of the Line6 pedal and the Roland EV5 are very similar (slightly more for the Line6 at AMS, slightly less at MF). What's the problem? Is the Line6 pedal unreliable or something? If you want an EXPENSIVE expression pedal, check out that Roland EV7...ouch. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 11:35:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BFYd310893; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040611153421.2658.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be > interested in contributing to a > thread on tactics or devices > that we use to break ourselves out of our musical > ruts. Mine was to take up viola and join an orchestra. I'm definitely getting an education that I would not have received if I stuck with guitar. More specifically, I learn a little bit more about arranging with every rehearsal, and how even the slightest variations in timbre and dynamics of individual instruments affect the overall sound. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 11:46:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BFjlW12593; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c44fcb$977ca420$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:48:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.141.176] at Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:45:27 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To circumvent musical ruts, I suggest trying to play music with people and instrumentation you do not know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:23 AM Subject: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts > I was reading the interview with Chris Vrenna in Electronic Musician > Magazine yesterday > and he mentioned that he co-wrote his entire latest CD (Tweaker) using the > same small set of > generic sounds for drums, bass keyboards and pads on every song. > > He said he did that because he didn't want any of the sound design to get in > the way of > the emotional impact of the actual chords and structure of the tunes. He > wanted to make sure > that the strongs themselves were strong without the benefit of cool timbres. > He then said that > when he was finished writing and arranging the tunes that he went back in > and began replacing > the sounds with innovative sound design. > > I thought this was a really interesting approach to circumventing musical > ruts and it got me to thinking about > other potential ways that we can use to get ourselves out of our normal > musical ruts (for composition; > for improvisation; for looping, whatever). > > Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be interested in contributing to a > thread on tactics or devices > that we use to break ourselves out of our musical ruts. > > good writing, everybody, > Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 11:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BFjuT12609; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:45:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:45:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040611154428.79924.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Clulow Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040611153421.2658.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Learning a new language can also give you good ideas I'm learning Japanese at the moment and there's always lots of rhythmical ideas that come forth from language... that kind of thing inspires me at least. - Tim --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be > > interested in contributing to a > > thread on tactics or devices > > that we use to break ourselves out of our musical > > ruts. > > Mine was to take up viola and join an orchestra. > I'm > definitely getting an education that I would not > have > received if I stuck with guitar. More specifically, > I > learn a little bit more about arranging with every > rehearsal, and how even the slightest variations in > timbre and dynamics of individual instruments affect > the overall sound. > > Paolo > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 11:51:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BFnb813331; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:49:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1864.4.27.149.72.1086931844.squirrel@www.thetentacle.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3fHw5D.A.yPD.HSdyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 jack like the EV-5 and has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will have to use a line six pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the line six pedal is made out of the same cheap plastic as the EV-5, and will similarly wear out in a matter of time. Ha Ha. Bill -----Original Message----- From: squidloop@thetentacle.org [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL4 / Expression Pedal I just started using my Boss EV5 with my DL4 and I was wondering if anybody else has come across this problem. The pedal seems to do fine when you first plug it in but after a few uses it doesn't seem to remember the delay settings between sweeps. Anybody else know what’s up - is it one of those proprietary things - USE OUR LINE 666 EXPRESSION PEDAL ONLY :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 12:02:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BG1Ld21074; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.50dd75c7.2dfb3126@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:00:38 EDT Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5BG0kh20741 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This is probably the most challenging thing for an artist to do. Because it involves risk and a certain discipline . . . usually. However, it is probably also a little easier for musicians in general and maybe even guitarists in particular. The way I see it there are basically two ways to go 1. Disrupt. Place limits. Close down options. Restrict yourself to an "underexplored" area of your current work or a technique or "roots" area of that work. Turn off favorite effects. Play only on one (or two) strings or tune all of the strings to the same note. If you use a pick, play with your fingers, if you play with your fingers use a pick. Limit yourself to playing in a single mode. Write a song with only one chord. Write a song in a foreign language. Set boundaries. This is probably the easier of the two options. 2. Open options up. Try something totally new. Pick up a new instrument and schedule a gig to play it in public in a week or two (or a month or a year). Learn to play (and hopefully appreciate) a musical style you currently HATE. Play with other musicians who play a different musical style than you would ordinarily feel comfortable or competent at. And (of course), my personal favorite: play with people who are much better than you. There's no better way of getting a good kick in the pants than playing and hanging out (and picking the brains of) your betters. This is risky and will demand discipline but it's always a sure bet. I know it currently may not be very PC in some circles to look at art/music making in such a "hierarchical" fashion and acknowledge that there actually are "betters" in art. But most of us know it's really true and behave very much accordingly -- even if we sometimes say otherwise. Heck, one of the greatest benefits of going to "Loopfest" type gatherings is the vast array of experience present that can be learned from. It's like a crash course for me every time I go. Plus seeing so many performers -- good, bad, indifferent, and (as often as not) even great -- is a wonderful opportunity to meet, talk to and get your creative butt kicked really thoroughly. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 12:34:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BGXpd00358; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:32:47 +0200 Subject: Andreas Willers US/Can tour From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3169823568_1001164_MIME_Part" X-Seen: false X-ID: SyVtxoZXZeB0yL4ZW14BzM+h6la6+eqWVEE5ylggRyBfK+1D6yNQ4p Resent-Message-ID: <37G_dD.A.38H.I7dyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3169823568_1001164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang, I am looking very much forward to these US/Can appearances w. loopy avant jazz guitar: June 20 New York City, CBGB=B9s lounge, solo June 24 San Francisco, International Music Festival, trio w. Ches Smith-dr, Devon Hoff-b ("Good for Cows") June 25 San Francisco, German Cultural Institute, solo June 26 Oakland, Jazzhouse, solo, double bill w. Phillip Greenlief (sax) June 27 Oakland, Jazzhouse, trio w. Ches Smith-dr, Devon Hoff-b June 28 Petaluma, Zebulon=B9s Lounge, trio w. Ches Smith-dr, Devon Hoff-b June 30 Santa Cruz, Neil=B9s Church, double bill w. Bill Walker (gtr) w. special appearance by Rick Walker (perc) July 4 Jazz Festival Vancouver, trio w. Mark Dresser-b, Tom Rainey-dr. Also I'll do a workshop on looping techniques for improv music in the afternoon that day. If you get a chance to make one of those dates, come by and say hello! BTW, I still am wondering if there are any SMALL power converters ( > 10 watts) available for small european electrical devices that turn the american 110 volts into the 220 volts these want to see? I'd leally like to bring my ring modulator.... Regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3169823568_1001164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Andreas Willers US/Can tour Hi gang,

I am looking very much forward to these US/Can appearances w. loopy avant j= azz guitar:
June 20 New York City, CBGB=B9s lounge, solo

June 24 San Francisco, International Music Festiv= al, trio w. Ches Smith-dr, Devon Hoff-b ("Good for Cows")
June 25 San Francisco, German Cultural Institute, solo
June 26 Oakland, Jazzhouse, solo, double bill w. Phillip Greenlief (sax) June 27 Oakland, Jazzhouse, trio w. Ches Smith-dr, Devon Hoff-b
June 28 Petaluma, Zebulon=B9s Lounge, trio w. Ches Smith-dr, Devon Hoff-b
June 30 Santa Cruz, Neil=B9s Church, double bill w. Bill Walker (gtr) w. spec= ial appearance by Rick Walker (perc)

July 4 Jazz Festival Vancouver, trio w. Mark Dres= ser-b, Tom Rainey-dr. Also I'll do a workshop on looping techniques for impr= ov music in the afternoon that day.

If you get a chance to make one of those dates, come by and say hello!

BTW, I still am wondering if there are any SMALL power converters ( > 10= watts) available for small european electrical devices that turn the americ= an 110 volts into the 220 volts these want to see? I'd leally like to bring = my ring modulator....

Regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3169823568_1001164_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 12:50:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BGnJd03719; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040611164853.39460.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040611153421.2658.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got hired to do the music for a theater play, a modern version of "Romeo and julia" so i get to undust my Korg triton;-) i am doing this for the first time and i am also realising this is a field i would love to get deeper into....perhaps this will inspire me to play different or discover new things... L.a Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > Anyway, I wanted to see if anyone would be > > interested in contributing to a > > thread on tactics or devices > > that we use to break ourselves out of our musical > > ruts. > > Mine was to take up viola and join an orchestra. > I'm > definitely getting an education that I would not > have > received if I stuck with guitar. More specifically, > I > learn a little bit more about arranging with every > rehearsal, and how even the slightest variations in > timbre and dynamics of individual instruments affect > the overall sound. > > Paolo > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 12:50:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BGo5703861; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:50:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:50:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1086972558!14920623 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D39470853445F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:47:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C44FD3.CCC8C520" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C44FD3.CCC8C520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 jack like the EV-5 and has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will have to use a line six pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the line six pedal is made out of the same cheap plastic as the EV-5, and will similarly wear out in a matter of time. Ha Ha.<< bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs pedal all the same- it= uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression pedal rather than a = volume pedal.=20 the significant difference is not in the taper but in the range; a volume p= edal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within the angle the pedal= can move, & some designs use a special pot to accomplish this.=20 most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a small part of it's range= . this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & repositioning the gearing = inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will have a range or endstop adjustm= ent on the outside. (the zoom pedals, for instance) I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals themselves anyway. they= 'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing "line-6" on them. I ha= d to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my memorymoog, & doin= g some /serious/ damage..... in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the =A360 turnkey wanted for the= "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal & reversed the tip & ri= ng connections in the pedal itself (jack was sealed). I have had no misbeha= viour from this config, no matter how whacky the two endpoints in my preset= s. =20 I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at either extreme you'd be = putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the a>d converter; it = appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. sadly, this rather rules ou= t using any other voltage-control source to manipulate them. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1= /4 jack like the EV-5 and
has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will hav= e to use a line six
pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the = line six pedal is
made out of the same cheap plastic as the EV-5, and will= similarly wear out
in a matter of time. Ha Ha.<<

bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs peda= l all the same- it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expressio= n pedal rather than a volume pedal.

the significant difference is not in the taper but in the= range; a volume pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within t= he angle the pedal can move, & some designs use a special pot to accomp= lish this.

most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a sm= all part of it's range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & = repositioning the gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will have = a range or endstop adjustment on the outside.

(the zoom pedals, for instance)

I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals thems= elves anyway. they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing = "line-6" on them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine = into (say) my memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage.....

in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the =A360 turn= key wanted for the "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ p= edal & reversed the tip & ring connections in the pedal itself (jac= k was sealed). I have had no misbehaviour from this config, no matter how w= hacky the two endpoints in my presets.

 
I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at eithe= r extreme you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the= a>d converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. sadly= , this rather rules out using any other voltage-control source to manipulat= e them.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C44FD3.CCC8C520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 13:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BGvSX05798; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:57:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1cd.23310e0b.2dfb3e64@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:57:08 EDT Subject: vishnus_serpent.mp3 To: sine@zerocrossing.net CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5BGvHh05762 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I just downloaded "Vishnu's Serpent" from http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/ and I am rather enjoying it. Just thought I'd let you know someone was listening. Keep up the good work. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 13:27:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BHQ7111582; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:26:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:26:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D39470853445F@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:25:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C44F9E.7A5ED980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:25:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 17:25:44.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[207E9280:01C44FD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C44F9E.7A5ED980 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0012_01C44F9E.7A614A80" ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C44F9E.7A614A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DL4 / Expression PedalI've been using the DL-4 / EV-5 combo since I = first got the DL-4, never with any problems that weren't driver error. = The only inconvenience I've experienced is when unbeknownst to me = (usually during a performance) the pot on the EV-5 wasn't set to its = minimum value so the pedal wouldn't provide the range of expression I = had intended when 'programming'. I've not noticed any amnesia of settings either, even though I don't use = battery in the DL-4 (so apparently those settings are stored in = non-volatile memory). Just thought I'd chime in with this data - I realize it's not extremely = helpful in identifying the particular problem at hand... Best, Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal >>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 jack like the = EV-5 and=20 has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will have to use a = line six=20 pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the line six pedal = is=20 made out of the same cheap plastic as the EV-5, and will similarly = wear out=20 in a matter of time. Ha Ha.<<=20 bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs pedal all the = same- it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression pedal = rather than a volume pedal.=20 the significant difference is not in the taper but in the range; a = volume pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within the = angle the pedal can move, & some designs use a special pot to accomplish = this.=20 most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a small part of it's = range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & repositioning the = gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will have a range or = endstop adjustment on the outside. (the zoom pedals, for instance)=20 I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals themselves anyway. = they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing "line-6" on = them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my = memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage..... in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the =A360 turnkey wanted = for the "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal & reversed = the tip & ring connections in the pedal itself (jack was sealed). I have = had no misbehaviour from this config, no matter how whacky the two = endpoints in my presets. =20 I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at either extreme = you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the a>d = converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. sadly, = this rather rules out using any other voltage-control source to = manipulate them. duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I've been using the DL-4 / EV-5 combo since I first got the DL-4, = never=20 with any problems that weren't driver error. The only inconvenience I've = experienced is when unbeknownst to me (usually during a performance) the = pot on=20 the EV-5 wasn't set to its minimum value so the pedal wouldn't provide = the range=20 of expression I had intended when 'programming'.
 
I've not noticed any amnesia of settings either, even though I = don't use=20 battery in the DL-4 (so apparently those settings are stored in = non-volatile=20 memory).
 
Just thought I'd chime in with this data - I realize it's not = extremely=20 helpful in identifying the particular problem at hand...
 
Best,
Nic
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From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
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Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression = Pedal

>>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring = sleeve 1/4=20 jack like the EV-5 and
has a different value = potentiometer. Sorry, you will have to use a line six
pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the line = six pedal=20 is
made out of the same cheap plastic as the = EV-5, and=20 will similarly wear out
in a matter of time. = Ha=20 Ha.<<

bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs = pedal all=20 the same- it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression = pedal=20 rather than a volume pedal.

the significant difference is not in the taper but = in the=20 range; a volume pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted = within the=20 angle the pedal can move, & some designs use a special pot to = accomplish=20 this.

most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over = a small=20 part of it's range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & = repositioning the gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will = have a=20 range or endstop adjustment on the outside.

(the zoom pedals, for instance)

I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals = themselves=20 anyway. they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing = "line-6"=20 on them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my=20 memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage.....

in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the =A360 = turnkey=20 wanted for the "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal = &=20 reversed the tip & ring connections in the pedal itself (jack was = sealed).=20 I have had no misbehaviour from this config, no matter how whacky the = two=20 endpoints in my presets.


I think the problem with = a volume=20 pedal is that at either extreme you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 = volts?)=20 or ground into the a>d converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals = don't=20 like this. sadly, this rather rules out using any other = voltage-control source=20 to manipulate them.

duncan/r.m.i.



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I thank you for the kind words. I've got to get my butt in gear and do some more recording... If any of you are in the neighborhood of San Francisco's 26mix (www.26mix.com) on monday, I'll be doing live looping syncing a Repeater to a drum machine from 11 PM to Midnight. Visuals will be provided by the classic XBOX game Panzer Dragoon Orta (though I'm having trouble finding someone who'll commit to play it) Take care, Mark On Jun 11, 2004, at 9:57 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > I just downloaded "Vishnu's Serpent" > from http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/ > and I am rather enjoying it. Just thought > I'd let you know someone was listening. > Keep up the good work. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 13:51:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BHnWo15436; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:49:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c44fdc$70a94f40$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I see it, while the "musical ruts" discussion is a fascinating one in its own right, it somehow differs from the starting point as stated by Rick (namely Chris Vrenna using "crap sounds" when arranging his latest album). While the first point is about circumventing musical ruts, the second one is about focus as I understand it: with his approach, Mr. Vrenna forced himself to concentrate on songwriting/composing/arranging, much in a way which e.g. J.S. Bach did when he wrote the Art of the Fugue (which wasn't written with any specific instrumentation in mind). For this latter goal, writing without any instrument at all is imho very helpful. I studied composition paralleling the last years of grammar school (something which you could do at the local music college under certain circumstances), and during this time, I composed and arranged a lot without access to an instrument (like in any free hours in my timetable from school), and thus I could free myself from having certain sounds in mind when writing the music. And thus I believe the next step in the approach mentioned would be to compose without instruments altogether (as Beethoven was forced to do after becoming deaf). The "musical ruts" topic is something different altogether (but something I think is especially important for the relatively large number of people here who do more or less free improvisation). A lot of people here have mentioned some important points, like learning a new instrument. Restricting the use of your main instrument (like "the next two shows I'll do without guitar") can also help, as can modifying your instruments in any way. This can be retuning the strings of your stringed instruments, retuning your synthesizer (like using a microtonal tuning). This also helps insofar because lots of the ruts stem from the fact that the things we tend to play all the time are those which can be played most easily on the instruments we use. The entire field of rock/pop would sound completely different had the people been using tubas and accordeons instead of bass guitars and guitars. And here, even simple steps like re-tuning (not the absolute, but the relative tunings) can help a great deal in getting out of your ruts. To get more in the technical domain lots of us are so fond of, I'd also like to suggest to apply this to electronic devices: restrict yourself to one effect (keyboard, whatever). Reprogram your foot controller. Take things out of or into MIDI sync. Rewire your mixer. Use a smaller mixer. Use a bigger mixer. And of course, new people, new styles, taking guests into your group, guesting with other groups. Just my two cents... Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 14:04:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BI3SP19842; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040611145747.46655.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040611145747.46655.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90CD488A-BBD1-11D8-8F05-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:02:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 11, 2004, at 7:57 AM, Greg House wrote: > > If you want an EXPENSIVE expression pedal, check out that Roland > EV7...ouch. > > Greg I've actually got an EV-7 in perfects shape that I'm selling if anyone's interested. I've never had bad feedback on ebay and many here can attest to my integrity. I'm selling it because it doesn't work with my Novation Remote25. I guess it's the wrong resistance. $70 get's it shipped to your door if you're in the continental US. That's $100 less than Musician's Friend sells if for. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 14:09:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BI8Bp21216; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:08:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:08:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" , "Repeater Users" Subject: Looping-involved music for gratis consumption Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:07:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C44FA4.48507600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:07:27 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 18:07:17.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE858BC0:01C44FDE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C44FA4.48507600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001D_01C44FA4.48507600" ------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C44FA4.48507600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've posted a few of Fractal's live tracks as well as an album track for = free download on our Amazon page: http://artist.amazon.com/fractal The two live tracks are instrumental songs involving mostly atmospheric = background looping with a combination of Line6 Pod Pro and DL-4 circular = delays. The album track, Rave7, involves full-frontal looping, composed = and performed (the guitar + guitar synth tracks anyway) using the = Repeater. I hope there is some enjoyment to be had there... I'd be very interested = to hear any comments. Best, Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C44FA4.48507600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I've posted a few of Fractal's live tracks as well as an album = track for=20 free download on our Amazon page:
 
 
The two live tracks are instrumental songs involving mostly = atmospheric=20 background looping with a combination of Line6 Pod Pro and DL-4 circular = delays.=20 The album track, Rave7, involves full-frontal looping, composed and = performed=20 (the guitar + guitar synth tracks anyway) using the Repeater.
 
I hope there is some enjoyment to be had there... I'd be very = interested to=20 hear any comments.
 
Best,
Nic
 
 
------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C44FA4.48507600-- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C44FA4.48507600 Content-Type: image/gif; name="greypixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIcAAJmZmQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAP8ALAAAAAABAAEA AAgEAAEEBAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C44FA4.48507600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 14:28:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BIQZq24917; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "DAVE BRAY" To: Subject: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK ?? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:26:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44FAF.46C56830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 18:26:13.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[937B3E20:01C44FE1] Resent-Message-ID: <8oOM5B.A.zEG.LlfyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44FAF.46C56830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, things are getting better running the EDP and the SR-16 drum machine = together. I have the SR-16 set as the timing master. One problem still = arises, when recording loop 2 I am right on the beat. When I hear it = back, the beat has exactly upside downturned upside down. Returning to = Loop 1, sounds fine. I have the EDP set to Quantize =3D loop. Obviously, = though I am missing something. thanx again for the quick response, Dave = Grossman!! dave ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44FAF.46C56830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, things are getting better running = the EDP and=20 the SR-16 drum machine together. I have the SR-16 set as the timing = master. One=20 problem still arises, when recording loop 2 I am right on the beat. When = I hear=20 it back, the beat has exactly upside downturned upside down. Returning = to Loop=20 1, sounds fine. I have the EDP set to Quantize =3D loop. Obviously, = though I am=20 missing something. thanx again for the quick response, Dave Grossman!!=20 dave
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C44FAF.46C56830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 15:05:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BJ2oA31818; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:02:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1086979074.40c9fc026ce80@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:37:54 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK ?? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ok, things are getting better running the EDP and the SR-16 drum machine > together. I have the SR-16 set as the timing master. One problem still > arises, when recording loop 2 I am right on the beat. When I hear it back, > the beat has exactly upside downturned upside down. Returning to Loop 1, > sounds fine. I have the EDP set to Quantize = loop. Obviously, though I am > missing something. thanx again for the quick response, Dave Grossman!! dave You're welcome. What is your 8ths/cycle set to? - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 15:06:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BJ4Ze32090; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:04:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1086979293.40c9fcddb82b5@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:41:33 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Who made it to the looping show at the Starry Plough last night? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: <9k27YC.A.N0H.fIgyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw a lot of new faces there. Anybody from the list make it? I missed Andre LaFosse. Amy X Neuburg and Brian Kenney Fresno were great though. I've never seen Brian play a set that long. He usually plays first. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 15:30:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BJTS203643; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK ?? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:29:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 19:29:02.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[59D57740:01C44FEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com right now, it's set to 8. Maybe a higher number?? thanx, dave >From: "David J. Grossman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: Re: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK >?? >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:37:54 -0700 > > > Ok, things are getting better running the EDP and the SR-16 drum machine > > together. I have the SR-16 set as the timing master. One problem still > > arises, when recording loop 2 I am right on the beat. When I hear it >back, > > the beat has exactly upside downturned upside down. Returning to Loop 1, > > sounds fine. I have the EDP set to Quantize = loop. Obviously, though I >am > > missing something. thanx again for the quick response, Dave Grossman!! >dave > >You're welcome. What is your 8ths/cycle set to? > >- Dave > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 15:40:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BJd8k05578; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.180.84.89] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" References: <5b.50dd75c7.2dfb3126@aol.com> Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:38:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 19:38:45.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[B54B8230:01C44FEB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_006B_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50" ------=_NextPart_001_006B_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: *I know it currently may not be very PC in some circles to look at art/music making in such a "hierarchical" fashion and acknowledge that there actually are "betters" in art.* I've also noted that that 'hierarchy' of appreciation as "betters" wraps = around in cases. Looped like an Esscher staircase. Here are some tactics I've actively used in the recent past. I never = feel 'on a roll' except when working within the bounds of a single new = piece; I.e. I could safely define any period between any of my humble = compositional efforts as a (relative or absolute) rut. The positive side = to that is that any finished composition actually feels especially = rewarding (triumphant, even) as being meaningful and unique. - Learn a new scale / system / modality, and practice scales, arpeggios, = chords across it. If uncertain as to which is still available as = unexplored system (there is always one more btw), invent one. It could = be arbitrary / based on what sounds interesting, or as I frequently = resort to, based on a construct involving number sequences. Possibly, = when sufficiently matured / lodged in the brain, compose a piece or = etude in it. - Go do the boring stuff I'm supposed to do, most notably practicing = darn scales. Sometimes a rut just is what it is, and needs to be waited = out. Why not supplant the wait with an auxiliary activity. Creativity is = a different energy than that which goes into the acquisition of = increased technical mastery, and is not exhausted by immersion in a = practice regimen but rather refreshed after coming out of it. Anything = that helps the immediacy of linkage between the musical brain and one's = motor system is good in my book (if I had one, ... book that is). - Shut off external musical stimuli. Be as radical or tolerant as you = wish to be. Declare temporary embargo on radio, CD, your own catalog, = and if possible, identified artifacts / evidence of such in your current = playing. The blockage may need to be mental where physical exposure is = unavoidable (malls, traffic, work, other artists on the bill : - ) but = in any case it focuses an attention to discerning what is merely = conveniently available and ambient, and what needs to come out from = within. (This reads like true drivel, but perhaps some here may = recognize the general idea...) Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Hi all, This is probably the most challenging thing for an artist to do. Because it involves risk and a certain discipline . . . usually. However, it is probably also a little easier for musicians in general and maybe=20 even guitarists in particular. The way I see it there are basically two ways to go 1. Disrupt. Place limits. Close down options. Restrict=20 yourself to an "underexplored" area of your current=20 work or a technique or "roots" area of that work. Turn=20 off favorite effects. Play only on one (or two) strings=20 or tune all of the strings to the same note. If you use=20 a pick, play with your fingers, if you play with your fingers=20 use a pick. Limit yourself to playing in a single mode. Write a song with only one chord. Write a song in a=20 foreign language. Set boundaries. This is probably the=20 easier of the two options. 2. Open options up. Try something totally new. Pick=20 up a new instrument and schedule a gig to play it in=20 public in a week or two (or a month or a year). Learn=20 to play (and hopefully appreciate) a musical style you=20 currently HATE. Play with other musicians who play a=20 different musical style than you would ordinarily feel=20 comfortable or competent at. And (of course), my=20 personal favorite: play with people who are much better=20 than you. There's no better way of getting a good kick=20 in the pants than playing and hanging out (and picking=20 the brains of) your betters. This is risky and will demand discipline but it's always a sure bet. I know it currently may not be very PC in some circles to look at art/music making in such a "hierarchical" fashion and acknowledge that there actually are "betters" in art. But most of us know it's really true and behave very=20 much accordingly -- even if we sometimes say otherwise. Heck, one of the greatest benefits of going to "Loopfest" type gatherings is the vast array of experience present that can be learned from. It's like a crash course for me every time I go. Plus seeing so many performers -- good,=20 bad, indifferent, and (as often as not) even great -- is a=20 wonderful opportunity to meet, talk to and get your creative butt kicked really thoroughly.=20 Best, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html = http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian = http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html = http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina = http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 = http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 ------=_NextPart_001_006B_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote:
*I know it currently may not be very PC in some circles
to look = at=20 art/music making in such a "hierarchical" fashion
and acknowledge = that there=20 actually are "betters" in art.*
 
I've also noted that that 'hierarchy' of appreciation as "betters"=20 wraps around in cases. Looped like an Esscher staircase.
 
Here are some tactics I've actively used in the recent past. I = never feel=20 'on a roll' except when working within the bounds of a single new piece; = I.e. I=20 could safely define any period between any of my humble compositional = efforts as=20 a (relative or absolute) rut. The positive side to that is that any = finished=20 composition actually feels especially rewarding (triumphant, even) as = being=20 meaningful and unique.
 
- Learn a new scale / system / modality, and practice scales, = arpeggios,=20 chords across it. If uncertain as to which is still available=20 as unexplored system (there is always one more btw), invent = one. It=20 could be arbitrary / based on what sounds interesting, or as I = frequently resort=20 to, based on a construct involving number sequences. Possibly, when = sufficiently=20 matured / lodged in the brain, compose a piece or etude in it.
 
- Go do the boring stuff I'm supposed to do, most notably = practicing darn=20 scales. Sometimes a rut just is what it is, and needs to be waited out. = Why not=20 supplant the wait with an auxiliary activity. Creativity is a different = energy=20 than that which goes into the acquisition of increased technical = mastery, and is=20 not exhausted by immersion in a practice regimen but rather refreshed = after=20 coming out of it. Anything that helps the immediacy of linkage between = the=20 musical brain and one's motor system is good in my book (if I had one, = .. book=20 that is).
 
- Shut off external musical stimuli. Be as radical or tolerant as = you wish=20 to be. Declare temporary embargo on radio, CD, your own catalog, and if=20 possible, identified artifacts / evidence of such in your current = playing. The=20 blockage may need to be mental where physical exposure is unavoidable = (malls,=20 traffic, work, other artists on the bill : - ) but in any case it = focuses an=20 attention to discerning what is merely conveniently available and = ambient, and=20 what needs to come out from within. (This reads like true drivel, but = perhaps=20 some here may recognize the general idea...)
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 = 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Tactics for = Circumventing=20 Musical Ruts

Hi all,

This is probably the most challenging = thing for=20 an
artist to do. Because it involves risk and a = certain
discipline . . .=20 usually. However, it is probably also
a little easier for musicians = in=20 general and maybe
even guitarists in particular.

The way I = see it=20 there are basically two ways to go

1. Disrupt. Place limits. = Close down=20 options. Restrict
yourself to an "underexplored" area of your = current=20
work or a technique or "roots" area of that work. Turn
off = favorite=20 effects. Play only on one (or two) strings
or tune all of the = strings to=20 the same note. If you use
a pick, play with your fingers, if you = play with=20 your fingers
use a pick. Limit yourself to playing in a single=20 mode.
Write a song with only one chord. Write a song in a =
foreign=20 language. Set boundaries. This is probably the
easier of the two=20 options.

2. Open options up. Try something totally new. Pick =
up a=20 new instrument and schedule a gig to play it in
public in a week = or two=20 (or a month or a year). Learn
to play (and hopefully appreciate) a = musical=20 style you
currently HATE. Play with other musicians who play a=20
different musical style than you would ordinarily feel =
comfortable or=20 competent at. And (of course), my
personal favorite: play with = people who=20 are much better
than you. There's no better way of getting a good = kick=20
in the pants than playing and hanging out (and picking
the = brains of)=20 your betters. This is risky and will
demand discipline but it's = always a=20 sure bet.

I know it currently may not be very PC in some = circles
to=20 look at art/music making in such a "hierarchical" fashion
and = acknowledge=20 that there actually are "betters" in art.
But most of us know it's = really=20 true and behave very
much accordingly -- even if we sometimes say=20 otherwise.
Heck, one of the greatest benefits of going to=20 "Loopfest"
type gatherings is the vast array of experience = present
that=20 can be learned from. It's like a crash course for me
every time I = go. Plus=20 seeing so many performers -- good,
bad, indifferent, and (as often = as not)=20 even great -- is a
wonderful opportunity to meet, talk to and get = your=20 creative
butt kicked really thoroughly.

Best,

tEd = =AE=20 kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.h= tml
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/ted= killian
http://www.guitar9.com/f= luxaeterna.html
http://www.garageban= d.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://= www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
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------=_NextPart_001_006B_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50-- ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50 Content-Type: image/gif; name="greypixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIcAAJmZmQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAP8ALAAAAAABAAEA AAgEAAEEBAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C44FB1.0FB4CF50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 15:46:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BJjpG06536; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:45:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1086982319.40ca08afb52aa@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:31:59 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK ?? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: <-joGUD.A.flB.hvgyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Dave Bray : > right now, it's set to 8. Maybe a higher number?? thanx, dave That should be right for what you're doing. Is your drum beat in an odd meter? - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 16:45:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BKimn16803; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040611204417.61255.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Rut Busting To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <__iCSD.A.gFE.nmhyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was very impressed with the tips everyone came up with. All of which have proven effective in one form or another. My particular tips are rather basic. One, I find that researching stuff about a particular style of music or artform is helpful. I also use emulation as a technique. I try to mimic other instruments on the guitar using alternate techniques in phrasing and articulation. It's challenging in the sense that you have to limit your playing style to cop the style of the imstrument you are mimicking(i.e. horns, keys). The most useful tool I've found for me when I'm stuck is chaos. If you render yourself helpless by changing things so that you have no control over your surroundngs, it makes for an interesting event. I find that changing to a fretless neck on the guitar opens up exploation into microtonality, along with using toys, electronic devices and prepared guitar makes for a nice recipie for chaos. once you get something going, record all of it, and sit down to edit out chunks of sound. I've spent hours sifting through a ten minute noisefest to come up with about 2 minutes of sound that I would then compose into a song. In live situations, it's more interesting because you can't make an edit, so you learn to make the most of a bad phrase and use it to build your next musical expression. I'd say more, but i tend to ramble, Bri __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 18:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BMeJL07578; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:39:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2004 22:39:02.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4B78460:01C45004] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I've always been aware of my tendency to seek out level ground, and a large amount of the musical decisions I make are to thwart that. Some strategies: -Changing instruments and setups often. I have 4 different standard instrument 'setups' I use at solo shows (turntable/cd, drum machine, found objects, field recordings). I rarely use the same one twice in a row. So...even though I get invited to play fairly often, I only wind up doing my most common - the "turntable/cd" set - a couple times per year. If I start getting too comfortable with my choices, I'll start learning something new. (That's why I picked up drum machine this year.) -Working with new musicians often, and changing my setup and performance strategy to best compliment what they'll be doing. -Choosing instruments & setups that have a fairly large amount of non-determinacy. For example, I consider guitar to be a pretty determinate instrument since once you learn how to play a tune on it, it's fairly easy to play that tune again. Non-determinant instruments require you to work with the sound you get, rather than get the exact sound you want. (And this is where looping comes in, being a useful tool for making unorganized sounds have some coherency.) _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN House & Home. http://coldwellbanker.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 19:35:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BNYEv18546; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C44FD1.D4280C10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C44FD1.D4280C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Wow! , well assumption they say, is the mother of all f**k ups. Those lying bastards at line 6. Seriously though ,i did try using both an ev-5 and an ev-10 and had inconsitencies as well. Perhaps as Duncan suggested playing with the range knob would help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 / Expression Pedal I've been using the DL-4 / EV-5 combo since I first got the DL-4, never with any problems that weren't driver error. The only inconvenience I've experienced is when unbeknownst to me (usually during a performance) the pot on the EV-5 wasn't set to its minimum value so the pedal wouldn't provide the range of expression I had intended when 'programming'. I've not noticed any amnesia of settings either, even though I don't use battery in the DL-4 (so apparently those settings are stored in non-volatile memory). Just thought I'd chime in with this data - I realize it's not extremely helpful in identifying the particular problem at hand... Best, Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message ----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal >>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 jack like the EV-5 and has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will have to use a line six pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the line six pedal is made out of the same cheap plastic as the EV-5, and will similarly wear out in a matter of time. Ha Ha.<< bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs pedal all the same- it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression pedal rather than a volume pedal. the significant difference is not in the taper but in the range; a volume pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within the angle the pedal can move, & some designs use a special pot to accomplish this. most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a small part of it's range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & repositioning the gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will have a range or endstop adjustment on the outside. (the zoom pedals, for instance) I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals themselves anyway. they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing "line-6" on them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage..... in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the £60 turnkey wanted for the "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal & reversed the tip & ring connections in the pedal itself (jack was sealed). I have had no misbehaviour from this config, no matter how whacky the two endpoints in my presets. I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at either extreme you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the a>d converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. sadly, this rather rules out using any other voltage-control source to manipulate them. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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 Wow! , well assumption they = say, is=20 the mother of all f**k ups. Those lying bastards at line 6. Seriously = though ,i=20 did try using both an ev-5 and an ev-10 and had inconsitencies as well. = Perhaps=20 as Duncan suggested playing with the range knob would help.  =
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Nic Roozeboom = [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 = 10:26=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 DL4 / Expression Pedal

I've been using the DL-4 / EV-5 combo since I first got the DL-4, = never=20 with any problems that weren't driver error. The only inconvenience = I've=20 experienced is when unbeknownst to me (usually during a performance) = the pot=20 on the EV-5 wasn't set to its minimum value so the pedal wouldn't = provide the=20 range of expression I had intended when 'programming'.
 
I've not noticed any amnesia of settings either, even though I = don't use=20 battery in the DL-4 (so apparently those settings are stored in = non-volatile=20 memory).
 
Just thought I'd chime in with this data - I realize it's not = extremely=20 helpful in identifying the particular problem at hand...
 
Best,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 = 9:47=20 AM
Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression = Pedal

>>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 jack = like the=20 EV-5 and
has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will = have to=20 use a line six
pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright = side, the=20 line six pedal is
made out of the same cheap plastic as the = EV-5, and=20 will similarly wear out
in a matter of time. Ha Ha.<<

bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs pedal all = the same-=20 it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression pedal = rather=20 than a volume pedal.

the significant difference is not in the taper but in the range; = a volume=20 pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within the angle = the pedal=20 can move, & some designs use a special pot to accomplish this. =

most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a small part = of it's=20 range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & = repositioning the=20 gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will have a range or = endstop=20 adjustment on the outside.

(the zoom pedals, for instance)

I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals themselves = anyway.=20 they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing = "line-6" on=20 them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my=20 memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage.....

in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the =A360 turnkey = wanted for the=20 "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal & reversed = the tip=20 & ring connections in the pedal itself (jack was sealed). I have = had no=20 misbehaviour from this config, no matter how whacky the two = endpoints in my=20 presets.


I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at either = extreme=20 you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the = a>d=20 converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. sadly, = this=20 rather rules out using any other voltage-control source to = manipulate=20 them.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C44FD1.D4280C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 19:49:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5BNl5822495; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:47:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:47:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000b01c44f8d$61e46e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:43:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4QuUrD.A.LaF.HRkyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:23 AM -0700 6/11/04, loop.pool wrote: >I wanted to see if anyone would be interested in contributing to a >thread on tactics or devices that we use to break ourselves out of >our musical ruts. Many of my aesthetic breakthroughs have been a result of fatigue or boredom. In either case the effect may be due to the temporary disabling of normal critical facilities or the breaking away from familiar patterns of behavior. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 20:27:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C0Qkx01690; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c45013$e971da50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:26:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL, I started this thread out because I was in a musical rut. Many of the excellent suggestions that have been made are ideas that I have used in the past to move out of past ruts, but forgotten. Isn't it amazing that we sometimes have to keep re-learning things we already know (or is that just me? Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C2UfF27313; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:29:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C44FEA.6FDFB550" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C44FEA.6FDFB550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal I think there were some "inconsitencies" in my spelling as well! -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Wow! , well assumption they say, is the mother of all f**k ups. Those lying bastards at line 6. Seriously though ,i did try using both an ev-5 and an ev-10 and had inconsitencies as well. Perhaps as Duncan suggested playing with the range knob would help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 / Expression Pedal I've been using the DL-4 / EV-5 combo since I first got the DL-4, never with any problems that weren't driver error. The only inconvenience I've experienced is when unbeknownst to me (usually during a performance) the pot on the EV-5 wasn't set to its minimum value so the pedal wouldn't provide the range of expression I had intended when 'programming'. I've not noticed any amnesia of settings either, even though I don't use battery in the DL-4 (so apparently those settings are stored in non-volatile memory). Just thought I'd chime in with this data - I realize it's not extremely helpful in identifying the particular problem at hand... Best, Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message ----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal >>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 jack like the EV-5 and has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you will have to use a line six pedal for optimum results. Look on the bright side, the line six pedal is made out of the same cheap plastic as the EV-5, and will similarly wear out in a matter of time. Ha Ha.<< bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs pedal all the same- it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression pedal rather than a volume pedal. the significant difference is not in the taper but in the range; a volume pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within the angle the pedal can move, & some designs use a special pot to accomplish this. most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a small part of it's range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal & repositioning the gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal will have a range or endstop adjustment on the outside. (the zoom pedals, for instance) I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals themselves anyway. they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing "line-6" on them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage..... in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the £60 turnkey wanted for the "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal & reversed the tip & ring connections in the pedal itself (jack was sealed). I have had no misbehaviour from this config, no matter how whacky the two endpoints in my presets. I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at either extreme you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the a>d converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. sadly, this rather rules out using any other voltage-control source to manipulate them. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C44FEA.6FDFB550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal
 I think there were some=20 "inconsitencies" in my spelling as well!
-----Original Message-----
From: William = Walker=20 [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info]
Sent: Friday, June 11, = 2004 4:33=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 DL4 / Expression Pedal

 Wow! , well assumption = they say, is=20 the mother of all f**k ups. Those lying bastards at line 6. Seriously = though=20 ,i did try using both an ev-5 and an ev-10 and had inconsitencies as = well.=20 Perhaps as Duncan suggested playing with the range knob would = help. =20
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Nic = Roozeboom=20 [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 = 10:26=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 DL4 / Expression Pedal

I've been using the DL-4 / EV-5 combo since I first got the = DL-4, never=20 with any problems that weren't driver error. The only inconvenience = I've=20 experienced is when unbeknownst to me (usually during a performance) = the pot=20 on the EV-5 wasn't set to its minimum value so the pedal wouldn't = provide=20 the range of expression I had intended when 'programming'.
 
I've not noticed any amnesia of settings either, even though I = don't=20 use battery in the DL-4 (so apparently those settings are stored in=20 non-volatile memory).
 
Just thought I'd chime in with this data - I realize it's not = extremely=20 helpful in identifying the particular problem at hand...
 
Best,
Nic

http://www.fractal-continuum.co= m=20
http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal<= /DIV>
----- Original Message ----- =
From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 = 9:47=20 AM
Subject: RE: DL4 / = Expression=20 Pedal

>>The Line 6 pedal does not use a tip ring sleeve 1/4 = jack like=20 the EV-5 and
has a different value potentiometer. Sorry, you = will have=20 to use a line six
pedal for optimum results. Look on the = bright side,=20 the line six pedal is
made out of the same cheap plastic as = the EV-5,=20 and will similarly wear out
in a matter of time. Ha = Ha.<<

bill- you may be right, but it is /some sort/ of trs pedal all = the=20 same- it uses all three wires. & it's definitely an expression = pedal=20 rather than a volume pedal.

the significant difference is not in the taper but in the = range; a=20 volume pedal is supposed to go from wide-open to shorted within = the angle=20 the pedal can move, & some designs use a special pot to = accomplish=20 this.

most expr pedals use a normal pot & operate over a small = part of=20 it's range. this can be adjusted by opening up the pedal &=20 repositioning the gearing inside. sometimes either sort of pedal = will have=20 a range or endstop adjustment on the outside.

(the zoom pedals, for instance)

I really don't think line-6 are making these pedals themselves = anyway.=20 they'll be doing what I did- buying, modifying & writing = "line-6" on=20 them. I had to do this latter to avoid plugging mine into (say) my = memorymoog, & doing some /serious/ damage.....

in my case, I bought a cheap (cheaper than the =A360 turnkey = wanted for=20 the "real deal" line-6 job, anyway) /expression/ pedal & = reversed the=20 tip & ring connections in the pedal itself (jack was sealed). = I have=20 had no misbehaviour from this config, no matter how whacky the two = endpoints in my presets.


I think the problem with a volume pedal is that at either = extreme=20 you'd be putting the full whack Vcc (5 volts?) or ground into the = a>d=20 converter; it appears that the line-6 pedals don't like this. = sadly, this=20 rather rules out using any other voltage-control source to = manipulate=20 them.

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C44FEA.6FDFB550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 11 22:47:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C2kTc30575; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:45:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:29 PM -0700 6/11/04, William Walker wrote: > I think there were some "inconsitencies" in my spelling as well! My spelling gets worse the further I get from high school (more than 40 years now). The only thing that saves me is the spelling checker in Eudora, which highlights errors as I type. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 00:21:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C4KCu20112; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:19:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c45013$e971da50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, Ralph said, "Know what you Know", If memory serves me, which means the same thing. Ralph is a pithy guy, as well as being an astoundingly brilliant musician. I never got to ask him how he deals with creative ruts. Who knows, maybe he never has them!. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:27 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts LOL, I started this thread out because I was in a musical rut. Many of the excellent suggestions that have been made are ideas that I have used in the past to move out of past ruts, but forgotten. Isn't it amazing that we sometimes have to keep re-learning things we already know (or is that just me? Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C4Nl721100; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <130.302d7208.2dfbdf3b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:23:23 EDT Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.302d7208.2dfbdf3b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_130.302d7208.2dfbdf3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/11/04 4:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > (btw, i luv musical ruts-they just get deeper and deeper til there's no way > out...kinda like a loop) > STANO! --part1_130.302d7208.2dfbdf3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 6/11/04 4:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.= net writes:


(btw, i luv musical ruts-they j= ust get deeper and deeper til there's no way
out...kinda like a loop)


STANO! --part1_130.302d7208.2dfbdf3b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 00:35:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C4Ytq23368; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:34:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15.2b2e0cb9.2dfbe1de@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:34:38 EDT Subject: Re: Andreas Willers US/Can tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.2b2e0cb9.2dfbe1de_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15.2b2e0cb9.2dfbe1de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/11/04 12:33:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 A.Willers@t-online.de writes: > June 30 Santa Cruz, Neil=B9s Church, double bill w. Bill Walker (gtr) w.=20 > special appearance by Rick Walker (perc sweet!.....hey andres, there are a lot of places between NEW YORK and=20 CALI.....please stop and vist us also.....:).....michael --part1_15.2b2e0cb9.2dfbe1de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 6/11/04 12:33:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, A.Willers@t-online.de= writes:


June 30 Santa Cruz, Neil=B9s Ch= urch, double bill w. Bill Walker (gtr) w. special appearance by Rick Walker=20= (perc


sweet!.....hey andres, there are a lot of places between NEW YORK  and=20= CALI.....please stop and vist us also.....:).....michael --part1_15.2b2e0cb9.2dfbe1de_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 01:49:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5C5mj703841; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:48:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:48:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040612054622.61427.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200406120247.i5C2lgH30823@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, then let's remove a few more assumptions here. First of all, there is a common assumption that the Line 6 modellers are consistent from unit to unit. While I don't know whether this is true or not, the things I've been hearing over the years as well as my personal experience with them allows me to easily question that one. One person can use the EV-5 with their Line 6, the next person can't. Of course it may well be inconsistencies from EV-5 to EV-5, though the pedal is much too simple for that to be a high probability. Perhaps there is enough variance in the Line 6 products for them to honestly steer people towards the Line 6 pedal as it may be the only one that consistently works well. And while I grumbled about having to pay $20 for the wall wart and another $45 for the pedal, I have to admit that these prices are not out of bounds. I guess I thought they should be included in the purchase price, though to each his own as they say... I wouldn't want to use any of the Line 6 modellers without an expression pedal and certainly not without a wall wart, though it's harder to justify paying over $300 for what they give ya. Some people have a terrible track record with the Line 6 units failing them, others have owned the suckers for years without a glitch. This tells me that they may not be as consistent from unit to unit as we have come to expect from a large manufacturer. So much for expectations... The main reason that I sold all my Line 6 modules was more because they didn't feel "real". They didn't *feel* like real circuits, they *felt* like software. Like when I would alter one of the pots, it felt like I was sending information to the software brain and not like I was continuously changing the resistance in an electronic circuit. Now I'm starting to sound like Stan with his germaniums... Stephen >>> Wow! , well assumption they say, is the mother of all f**k ups. Those lying bastards at line 6. Seriously though ,i did try using both an ev-5 and an ev-10 and had inconsitencies as well. Perhaps as Duncan suggested playing with the range knob would help. Bill <<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 08:18:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CCGjH28052; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:16:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:16:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ebay echoplexi... Message-ID: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:07:44 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.195.68.114 Resent-Message-ID: <5QaXd.A.LxG.dPvyAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com suddenly, there are 3 EDP's on the bay!!! Andy ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 08:32:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CCVHO30345; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:31:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:31:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c45079$a7e6c440$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:34:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, times are hard! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:07 AM Subject: Ebay echoplexi... > > > suddenly, there are 3 EDP's on the bay!!! > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------- > www.correo.unam.mx > UNAMonos Comunicándonos > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 09:26:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CDPFc09655; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c45080$ae171200$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <004701c44dd7$77cc4680$cd965142@Biffoz> <004301c44eef$cae56cc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: PE fuzz vs. French Toast (was Re: OT: FUZZ) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:25:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The French Toast is a Clone of the Foxx Tone Machine. It sounds little like the PE Experence's I've used(2 different units). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Miko Biffle" ; Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: PE fuzz vs. French Toast (was Re: OT: FUZZ) > The description of the PE fuzz sounds so similar to the Danelectro French > Toast, I'm wondering if anyone has done an A-B comparison? > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miko Biffle" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ > > > > From: > > Subject: Re: OT: FUZZ > > > > > > > Well, I figure I may as well pop in with some input on this FUZZY topic > > before it goes away. I currently own only one distortion pedal, a > > Prescription Electronics "Experience" pedal. I use it VERY, VERY, VERY, > VERY > > sparingly. > > > > > It's one of the most over-the-top FUZZ boxes I've found. However, like > > cooking with habanero chilies, a little goes a long way. It spends most of > > the time OFF or even OUT of the equipment setup altogether. > > > > I'd agree about the PE Experience Ted! > > > > One thing I've found amazing about the pedal, is that at low fuzz settings > > it gets a very cool grunt and sounds almost clean, while adding a lot of > > bottom end. > > > > Next is the octave mode... with lowered guitar volumes, diads create very > > intense ring modulated sounds quite different from the mayhem that comes > out > > with high guitar volumes. > > > > Thirdly, chords and diads in this mode with full guit volume create > > amazingly dense and atonal industrial grind. Perfect for replace mode and > > sus-overdub noise blasts. It's the most versatile fuzz I've ever played. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 09:32:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CDVNg10316; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:31:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:31:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c45081$6d6e1270$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040612054622.61427.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>The main reason that I sold all my Line 6 modules was more because they didn't feel "real". They didn't *feel* like real circuits, they *felt* like software. Like when I would alter one of the pots, it felt like I was sending information to the software brain and not like I was continuously changing the resistance in an electronic circuit. Now I'm starting to sound like Stan with his germaniums... Stephen Stephen, What did you 'replace' your Line 6 stuff with? I must admit (as part of my previous confession of G.A.S.) that I've got a few Line 6 thingeys. I've had a DL4 since they first came out (yup, without a glitch...) and a POD since early on. More recently, I purchased an Echo Pro and a Duoverb during each of those units respective 'blowouts'. Sometimes, I find myself getting that strange feeling about the 'realness' of these units, or lack thereof. Curious about what you substituted in, since I wonder what I would do in the same situation. Especially when I've got a Deluxe Reverb mixed with a Fender tweed, all cranked up, but recording via XLR to my computer at 10:30 at night, and the neighbors are none the wiser...and then I start to wonder..."shit, I couldn't have touched this sound quality to tape before...maybe my itching dissatisfaction is not in the gear?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 12:48:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CGkOH08013; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Andreas Willers US/Can tour Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:45:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45061.F2A3D710" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45061.F2A3D710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andreas Willers US/Can tour hello Andreas, I'm very much looking forward to sharing the stage with you in Santa Cruz. Rick mentioned that you need to borrow two tube amps, and i was wondering, all of my old amps do not have effects loops. Will this be a problem? let me know so I can scare up an amp or two with effects loops. I plan on bringing four amps to the gig, a fender princeton reverb,a deluxe reverb, a vibrolux reverb, and a vox ac10, that way, if we get a chance to collaborate, we can each be in stereo. I will see you soon. Cheers Bill Walker ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45061.F2A3D710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andreas Willers US/Can tour
 hello Andreas, I'm very much looking forward to sharing = the stage=20 with you in Santa Cruz. Rick mentioned that you need to borrow two tube = amps,=20 and i was wondering, all of my old amps  do not have effects loops. = Will=20 this be a problem?   let me know so I can scare up an amp or = two with=20 effects loops. I plan on bringing four amps to the gig, a fender = princeton=20 reverb,a deluxe reverb, a vibrolux reverb, and a vox ac10, that way, if = we get a=20 chance to collaborate, we can each be in stereo. I will see you=20 soon.
Cheers
Bill=20 Walker
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45061.F2A3D710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 13:51:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CHnsC17550; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:49:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9q6bYD.A.vRE.3I0yAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > suddenly, there are 3 EDP's on the bay!!! Hmm, now the question is, do I trust that Gibson is *actually* going to ship the fraction of the units they did actually decide to pay for (thanks guys! what a pal!) and do I expect that some of those might actually get to Musician's Friend where I ordered mine on Feb 3rd back when they were supposed to ship on Feb 5th and do I hope that maybe my order is early enough in the queue to actually get one? Okay, that's three questions. But here's another question ... WTF Gibson!?!?!?! Have you guys bankrupted yourselves on that "digital guitar" thing that nobody is going to buy or is it that you guys just don't care or is it that you're just so incompetent that you can't get it together enough to fill your obligations to the company that made it for you and the customers who you have strung along for the past 6 months? Okay, that's three questions too. But hey, I'm seriously getting pissed off here. I have a chance to get a used one right now, in the next 4 hours or trust that they will fulfill my order on the 24th. This has been going on since February. I know I'll feel like a puts if they actually do ship on the 24th and I've bought a used one on Ebay for more than the price of the new one. I've seen the ship date at Musician's Friend change every 2 weeks since January. Every single catalog they've sent me shows the Echoplex as being available. I guess I should be happy that I have one Echoplex right now. But I have a stereo rig and I have the effects before the Echoplex so I can record them and switch effects for overdubbing and playing live. Right now, I have to mix my stereo effects to mono, send them through the echoplex which is set to only playback the loop part then mix them back together and send them to my amp. That's a pain in the ass, I lose signal quality, and I have more equipment than I need. All because Gibson has BS'd me for the past 4 months into thinking I was actually going to get one soon. If they were just honest and said "Look, we don't know when you're getting your damn echoplex. Forget what Musician's Friend says the ship date is, we're just stringing them along to so we get more units on backorder. bwaaaahahahhahhaha! sucker." then I could have just kept the damaged one that they shipped me the first time or bought another one on eBay. Gibson, if you're listening, which I expect that you probably are, take care of your obligations. You've obviously already lost a lot of customers here. The longer this drags out, the more customers you are going to lose. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 13:53:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CHlHO17035; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <001901c45081$6d6e1270$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <001901c45081$6d6e1270$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <026B8EFA-BC99-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: itching dissatisfaction (Vox modeler and modelers in general) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:50:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm. I know I often "obsess" to get a certain tone, but a lot of times I think what I'm trying to buy isn't more gear, but more time to play the gear I have. I've been working on that one a lot the last few years. However, lately I've been freaking out about not being able to get this certain "quack" out of the Vox Tonelab modeler I've been using. I was loosing sleep about it. Seriously. Perviously I talked about using the "amp" out settings and dialing in more treble to get a good tone, but this didn't seem to do the trick on the "high gain" sounds, but worked well for crunchy Vox and Fender sounds. I could get close to the sound I wanted using the line out mode, but with all this high frequency sound that really killed it for me. I spent some time with Digital Performer's perimetric EQ and realized that while most guitar cabs don't produce much over 5khz, the Vox was spitting out stuff well into the 15mhz realm. Slapping a $70 DOD stereo graphic EQ after the Tonelab did the trick. So, I had to spend a little more, but it's worth it. I didn't like the "feel" of the Pods much either, although their sound seemed good. The Tonelab seems to capture that stomp box and tube amp sound AND feel better than anything I've tried... but with this weird high frequency issue. I wrote Vox scolding them for it, so maybe it will be addressed in a future update. I hope so. WTF were they thinking? Didn't anyone bother to put a scope on this thing? Still, it's got an 8 sec looper that acts like a Digitech PDS-8000. Now that's fun. Mark On Jun 12, 2004, at 6:30 AM, the toy room wrote: > ."shit, I couldn't have touched this sound quality to tape > before...maybe my itching dissatisfaction is not in the gear?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 15:55:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CJrTd06822; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <19CA56F5-BCAA-11D8-99DD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Alesis DEQ-224 Equalizer/EQ in general. Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:52:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using a cheap DOD 430qx EQ, and it seems mostly fine for my needs... but it takes a rackspace. Fine for studio, but I'm thinking that with some velcro and luck, I can put something small on the back of the Vox Tonelab SE that will get me decent quality stereo EQ for times when I'm sans rack. The DOD's quality is fine for my beaten up ears. A few people recommended the small Alesis DEQ-224. Anyone try this baby? I can't seem to find a single review of it on line. Another person suggested getting two MXR 10 band EQ stomp boxes. I imagine their quality is lower than the Alesis, but probably still OK for my need. Not much different in price, but perfect for the space I have. Ideas? Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 16:17:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CKGn711866; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:16:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Okay, that's three questions. But here's another question ... WTF >Gibson!?!?!?! Have you guys bankrupted yourselves on that "digital guitar" >thing that nobody is going to buy or is it that you guys just don't care or >is it that you're just so incompetent that you can't get it together enough >to fill your obligations to the company that made it for you and the >customers who you have strung along for the past 6 months? neither. the point is that gibson has massive profits from idiots who purchase their guitars -- many of which are only ever used for decoration and not for playing (see eg this http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html) because of some sort of Gibson cachet. I think of them as the Franklin Mint of guitar builders. Their eccentric chairman rules the company by whim, going off and buying all sorts of things (ie companies) and then throwing them away. He's been obsessed by this digital guitar idea, never understanding that as long as there are lots of guitar pedals and tube amplifiers there will NEVER be a market for a digital output for a guitar! I could go on at some length about how an electric guitar is a "perfect instrument" -- heck, I believe you can even play it in a vacuum which would make the electric guitar unlike any other non-electronic instrument. So give up on assuming anything rational will happen from these guys. sorry... /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 16:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CKY9914494; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040612203352.99882.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <130.302d7208.2dfbdf3b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-296469339-1087072432=:90911" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-296469339-1087072432=:90911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Other suggested anti-rut tactics: 1. travel somewhere totally alien to you totally alone with no advance reservations or plans- wing it... 2. new relationship(s) 3. invoke energies, intelligences, deities, grooves from other dimensions- to provide inspiration-there are many very wild intense presences out there that exist purely to create music in the world yet who don't want to incarnate and they are waiting to jam with you... this works every time-if they don't respond immediately, try some form of ritual from any archaic magick book. Be sure to banish them when you're done or they will interfere in your daily life in some really strange ways... 4. online flame wars! - I know this sounds stupid but interjecting absurd yet compelling forms of chaos into randomly selected public events generates much needed new angles on reality perception for all. Cheers, Monica Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/11/04 4:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: (btw, i luv musical ruts-they just get deeper and deeper til there's no way out...kinda like a loop) STANO! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-296469339-1087072432=:90911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Other suggested anti-rut tactics:
 1. travel somewhere totally alien to you totally alone with no advance reservations
     or plans- wing it...
 2. new relationship(s)
 3. invoke energies, intelligences, deities, grooves from other dimensions-
     to provide inspiration-there are many very wild intense presences out there
     that exist purely to create music in the world yet who don't want to incarnate
     and they are waiting to jam with you...
     this works every time-if they don't respond immediately, try some form
     of ritual from any archaic magick book. Be sure to banish them when you're done
     or they will interfere in your daily life in some really strange ways...
 4. online flame wars! - I know this sounds stupid but interjecting absurd yet compelling
     forms of chaos into randomly selected public events generates much needed        
     new angles on reality perception for all.
 
Cheers,
Monica

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 6/11/04 4:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


(btw, i luv musical ruts-they just get deeper and deeper til there's no way
out...kinda like a loop)


STANO!

Do you Yahoo!?
Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-296469339-1087072432=:90911-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 17:07:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CL6rX21330; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040612210631.53022.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man this is great,i can´t wait for the next israel gaza strip design! jesus has gibson gone out of their minds?! L.a --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Okay, that's three questions. But here's another > question ... WTF > >Gibson!?!?!?! Have you guys bankrupted yourselves > on that "digital guitar" > >thing that nobody is going to buy or is it that you > guys just don't care or > >is it that you're just so incompetent that you > can't get it together enough > >to fill your obligations to the company that made > it for you and the > >customers who you have strung along for the past 6 > months? > > neither. > > the point is that gibson has massive profits from > idiots who purchase > their guitars -- many of which are only ever used > for decoration and > not for playing (see eg this > http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html) > because > of some sort of Gibson cachet. I think of them as > the Franklin Mint > of guitar builders. > > Their eccentric chairman rules the company by whim, > going off and > buying all sorts of things (ie companies) and then > throwing them > away. He's been obsessed by this digital guitar > idea, never > understanding that as long as there are lots of > guitar pedals and > tube amplifiers there will NEVER be a market for a > digital output for > a guitar! > > I could go on at some length about how an electric > guitar is a > "perfect instrument" -- heck, I believe you can even > play it in a > vacuum which would make the electric guitar unlike > any other > non-electronic instrument. > > So give up on assuming anything rational will happen > from these guys. sorry... > > /t > -- > > http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music > and arts mailing list > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 17:14:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CLDNC22433; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:12:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > the point is that gibson has massive profits from idiots who purchase > their guitars -- many of which are only ever used for decoration and > not for playing (see eg this > http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html) because > of some sort of Gibson cachet. I think of them as the Franklin Mint > of guitar builders. Haha, that's the tackiest, most idiotic looking guitar I've ever seen in my life. > away. He's been obsessed by this digital guitar idea, never > understanding that as long as there are lots of guitar pedals and > tube amplifiers there will NEVER be a market for a digital output for > a guitar! Besides, if someone wanted someting like that, Roland has had their V-Guitar and V-Bass systems around for years. It's a nice "concept" idea but it's not going to catch on. They'll sell a few here and there but they are never going to make their R&D money back. In my opinion, of course. > So give up on assuming anything rational will happen from these guys. sorry... Bummer. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 12 18:06:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5CM5jr31389; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:05:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:05:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406122107.i5CL7nG21531@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406122107.i5CL7nG21531@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--750932199 Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:05:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7--750932199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Maybe some people are getting wind of the pent-up demand and (allegedly) impending availability of new units and are trying to unload their unused beige units before the market goes soft. Used EDP prices have stayed pretty firm between $700 and $800 for a while, which would be high if new units were readily available. I'd say a beige EDP with max memory, Loop IV, and a footpedal (like most of the ones for sale) isn't worth more than $500 when you can get a new one with better internals and the latest software for about $850. TravisH On Jun 12, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx > Date: June 12, 2004 5:07:44 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Ebay echoplexi... > > > suddenly, there are 3 EDP's on the bay!!! > > Andy --Apple-Mail-7--750932199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Maybe some people are getting wind of the pent-up demand and (allegedly) impending availability of new units and are trying to unload their unused beige units before the market goes soft. Used EDP prices have stayed pretty firm between $700 and $800 for a while, which would be high if new units were readily available. I'd say a beige EDP with max memory, Loop IV, and a footpedal (like most of the ones for sale) isn't worth more than $500 when you can get a new one with better internals and the latest software for about $850. TravisH On Jun 12, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx 0000,0000,0000Date: June 12, 2004 5:07:44 AM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Ebay echoplexi... suddenly, there are 3 EDP's on the bay!!! Andy --Apple-Mail-7--750932199-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 01:05:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5D540I32295; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:03:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I have to say I am pretty uninterested in any analog pedals(I have 5 analog pedal to 15 digital pedals within my rig) or tube amps at this point, so I am looking to the digital Gibson as a new alternative. I will have to see how it reacts with a laptop and VST's first. Plus I never got into the V system. I'd rather havet eh interface via cat5 then a GK series pick-up anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 02:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5D6XVX10904; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:33:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040613063315.67592.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: DL4 / Expression Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200406122107.i5CL7n521532@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> What did you 'replace' your Line 6 stuff with? << Ok, I had the four basic Line 6 modellers, Delay, Distortion, Filter, and Modulation. Mind you, all this was to process my acoustic steel string with piezo pickup, so my perspective may not match the next persons... I picked them all up on eBay with the knowledge that I could get a similar price back on them (which turned out to be true). I basically got to play with all this gear for a year or two until I learned more about what I really wanted. The distortion modeller was the weakest of the bunch. I have never played electric so I don't have the same starting point as most of the rest of you. I *can* say that my acoustic guitar sounded very very sterile through any and all of the modelled distortions. Next, the filter modeller was either too crazy or not crazy enough. What I was able to get out of it didn't feel very musical. Again, it sounded sterile. More useful was the delay modeller. Most of the delays themselves again had a bit of that sterile sound, though not anywhere near as much as the previous two. I mostly got it for the looping functions. A coupla things killed it for me... the short loop time, the lack of fidelity, the *feel* and sound of the expression pedal morphing between two different settings... again, it lacked life. The one that I enjoyed the most was the modulation modeller. Perhaps because I was playing acoustic, it really helped formulate a tone for me. I never really cared for what the expression pedal did for any of the boxes, mostly because (as I said in an earlier post) they didn't feel like electronics, rather they felt like software manipulation. It's just a feeling... and we all gotta rely on our feelings or we ain't musicians now is we? :) I used these four boxes as my learning curve to understand a little better what was out there and what I might want to explore. I used the Looper's Delight list quite a bit for recomendations. At one point I had all four Line 6 modellers chained together in series. Something about this setup didn't seem to work very well, not quite sure what. I called the Line 6 people and they were amazed that I was using all 4 at once. They suggested a few different orders of the units and vaguely implied that all should work okay. I'm not sure if that's true, as they seem to accept a guitar signal at the input and put out line level at the output. I was told that I could plug my keyboard into them as well, though with real electronics, there are a few problems with the difference between guitar level and keyboard level. Stacking them all up together gave me actually less control over my sound than using them individually. I don't really know anything about the science in all this, just that 4 at a time didn't seem to me to be the way to go. The DL-4 was replaced by a Repeater for the looper functions (no comparison) and a Hughes & Kettner Replex for the delay functions. The H&K has done more for my tone than any other single module and I'll never plug in again without it. It has a tube as well as digital reverb, and digital single and dual head tape delay emulations. Mostly I use it for the tube sound and a slight bit of reverb. It makes the driest, tinniest guitar sound warm and buttery. I got it for about $375. Well worth it. The MM-4 was replaced by a T.C.Electronic Stereo Chorus Flanger pedal, wow what a sound. For about the same price as the Line 6, you get three sounds instead of sixteen. And since all three sounds are about 5 times better, it's a good value for the money. Mono in, mono or stereo out. I also have the Electrix Mo-FX on my mixer aux send so I can use the delay, tremolo, and flanger in the FX loop. The closest thing to the FM-4 is my Boss PS-5, a multi-function pitch shifter that I wrote about here a few weeks ago. Close only because it can do wild and crazy sounds and so can the FM-4. Like the Line 6 units, this one can also receive an expression pedal for pitch shifting on the fly. I also use the Electrix Filter Factory in the FX send of my mixer like the Mo-FX above. One of these days I'm gonna try out the Sherman Filterbank... The DM-4 was replaced by a number of distortion units, the Hughes & Kettner Tube Factor, the DOD FX91 Bass Overdrive, the DOD FX69 Grunge, as well as the Boss GE-7 (7 band EQ). Of these, I'm happiest with the FX69 Grunge and GE-7 combo (again, this is for acoustic). The H&K is truly awesome sounding though I think it would work better on an electric. And the Bass Overdrive is meant for a Bass guitar though I just wanted to try it for kicks. I liked reading about everybody's favorite Fuzz box recently as this gives me even more ideas. Anyway, I found out that EQ is a pretty powerful tool if used after distortion. You can make most any kind of distortion behave the way you want it to with the right application of cut or boost. I am selling 3 of these distortion boxes if anyone here wants to own them for a while. The Grunge is selling for $35 + $5 shipping (I bought two of them on eBay by mistake), the Bass Overdrive is also $35 + $5, and the H&K Tube Factor is going for $175 + $15 and comes with power supply and two extra tubes with different specs so you can play with the sound of various tubes by changing them out. These are comparable prices as found on eBay, they all are in immaculate condition and they come with my personal guarantee of joy and wonderment for several days if not weeks or years. :) Please reply offlist if you're interested in a purchase. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 02:54:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5D6rru13615; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:53:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, I have to say I am pretty uninterested in any analog pedals(I have 5 > analog pedal to 15 digital pedals within my rig) or tube amps at this point, > so I am looking to the digital Gibson as a new alternative. I will have to > see how it reacts with a laptop and VST's first. The problem with digital is latency (the delay between when you pluck a note and the time the signal hits your amp). Especially when the sound is being processed digitally for modelling and effects. If you have 15 digital pedals, everyone of them will potentially delay your signal by some small amount. If you don't have true bypass in a pedal then it will delay the signal even when it is not turned on. Now, if Gibson's digital guitar is turning the string signals into digital signals, they have to be buffered and processed. I'd imagine that between the time you pluck a note and by the time they're processing is done, the signal will have been delayed by an amount that I would consider unacceptable. They do claim that their digital transport system will deliver the signal across 100 meters with a 250 microsecond latency. That's probably inaudible. But that doesn't account for effect processing which is likely a much bigger source of latency. What's the point of a digital guitar if you're not taking advantage of digital effect processing? In theory, the idea of a digitally processed and modelled guitar signal is a great idea. In reality, I feel that any significant latency in the signal is unacceptable for my purposes. Especially since, as a bass player, I strive to nail the beat and be in time with my drummer. That is the primary reason I've stayed away from the V-Bass. Before I buy one, I'd have to be 100% sure that the latency is completely inaudible. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 03:47:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5D7l3322672; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam (Seattle) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:46:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2zxJz.A.mhF.jZAzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few more acoustic guitar Live Looping shows this week in the Seattle area: Thursday, June 17, 8PM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market, Seattle) Friday, June 18, 8PM Victor's Celtic Coffee (7993 Gilman Street, *Redmond*) Saturday, June 19, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue, Seattle) Saturday, June 19, 8PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N., Seattle) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 05:16:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5D9FYB09378; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:14:10 +0200 Subject: Re: Andreas Willers US/Can tour From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3169970050_139577_MIME_Part" X-Seen: false X-ID: bVjbfaZ-rebzaavP2KSwqhWNPI6174zoXXU2-rT5oOR7sXQybRCQgM Resent-Message-ID: <9z0-GC.A.QNC.vrBzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3169970050_139577_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable June 30 Santa Cruz, Neil=B9s Church, double bill w. Bill Walker (gtr) w. special appearance by Rick Walker (perc sweet!.....hey andres, there are a lot of places between NEW YORK and CALI.....please stop and vist us also.....:).....michael Hi Michael, thanks for the invitation. Regretably I already had to pass on a couple of places like Boston, Richmond and LA (CryptonNights, that one with our own Steuart Liebig on bass) for various reasons. But I am looking forward to th= e next round, doing that big coast-to-coast-sleeping-in-the-car thing ;-) Kind regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3169970050_139577_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Andreas Willers US/Can tour
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sweet!.....hey andres, there are a lot of places between NEW YORK  and= CALI.....please stop and vist us also.....:).....michael

Hi Michael,

thanks for the invitation. Regretably I already had to pass on a couple of = places like Boston, Richmond and LA (CryptonNights, that one with our own St= euart Liebig on bass) for various reasons. But I am looking forward to the n= ext round, doing that big coast-to-coast-sleeping-in-the-car thing ;-)

Kind regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3169970050_139577_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 05:47:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5D9kAH15668; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:45:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: SrY6LGZ1YeYiiJUnt6ApsAEHSkk0l5YEAarZdYVvQwv8Zz7S9SeVgm Resent-Message-ID: <6gMhyD.A.O0D.VJCzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, yes, focussing on performance as opposed to chops is probably very important. Quote from Howard Roberts: "Don't go and learn your arpeggios, go and learn YOUR ARPEGGIO." I just saw Elliot Sharp perform solo acoustic guitar and, while being extremely limited as far as his playing technique goes, he still maintained an "attention curve" and a focus in his performance rather well - a music lesson. Regards, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 06:41:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DAebP23898; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.20] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK ?? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:56:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2004 10:33:48.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[E92AF350:01C45131] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Im only using the stock programs in the drum machine, really 4/4 stuff. The details of what is happening are- I start the drum machine, let it play a measure or two, then record a loop w/ loop 1. All is well there, keeps perfect time. Then, I hit NextLoop, then Record, waithing for loop 1 to finish so it will automatically start recording loop 2. I record loop 2, then do 1 of 2 things- 1. I end the recording of loop 2 w/ NextLoop, which pute me back into loop 1. If I hit next loop again, when it playes back loop 2, it will be perfectly upside down. Or, the other thing I do after recording Loop 2, is hit Record, which keeps Loop 2 playing what I just recorded. In doing that, Loop 2 will be perfectly aligned, but if I hit Next Loop, putting it back the Loop 1, then Loop 1 is perfectly upside down. Many thanx, I would love to use this drum machine tommorrow nite at the gig! dave >From: "David J. Grossman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: Re: EDP, SR-16, loops 2 beat turned upside down, loop 1 remains OK >?? >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:31:59 -0700 > >Quoting Dave Bray : > > > right now, it's set to 8. Maybe a higher number?? thanx, dave > >That should be right for what you're doing. Is your drum beat in an odd >meter? > >- Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 08:39:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DCb4F09682; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40CC4998.6040103@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:33:28 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlists for May 29 and June 12, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Catching up on the past two playlists... http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040529.html http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040612.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #46 May 29, 2004. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Bionaut Astral Unraveler Au Naturel (Tiny Bubbles) Jean-Piere Saccomani En depassant la planete Voyage Intersidereal en Nimbus Pluton (MCP) Paul Ellis and Death of an ARP Echo System (Groove) Craig Padilla Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rogier Associations From the Shadow to the Sun (Quantum) Rogier Closer to the Truth From the Shadow to the Sun Part 5 (Quantum) Rogier Questions From the Shadow to the Sun (Quantum) Angele Dubeau Overture to "Orpheus in Infernal Violins (Analekta) the Underworld" Angele Dubeau Allegro Infernal Violins (Analekta) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== OHO Shouts in the Street The Oriency Anthology (OHO) Spock's Beard June The Kindness of Stranger (Radiant) A.C.T. Torn By a Phrase Last Epic (Atenzia) The Flower Kings Devil's Playground Unfold the Future (InsideOut) Steve Morse Air on a G String Major Impacts 2 (Magna Carta) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #47 June 12, 2004. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== David Wright Cassini Continuum (AD Music) Mark Dwane Lion People The Sirius Link (Trondant) Free System Projekt Arrival Passenger 4 (Quantum) and Dweller at the Threshold Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Terry Oldfield Earth and Sky Yoga Harmony (New Earth) Cybertribe Corridor of Dreams Eons of Dignity (New Earth) John Adorney The Potter's Gift Waiting for the Moon (EverSound) Agatsuma Dawnlight Beyond (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== IQ Sacred Sound Dark Matter (Giant Electric Pea) IQ Red Dust Shadow Dark Matter (GEP) IQ You Never Will Dark Matter (GEP) IQ Born Brilliant Dark Matter (GEP) IQ Harvest of Souls * Dark Matter (GEP) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on June 26. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 10:25:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DEOOs26780; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:24:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:23:02 -0400 From: Mountain Man Subject: looper for learning music? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200403211046.i2LAkn222608@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for slowing down recordings in order to learn them? (on guitar, for me) I know that Reed Kotler makes a couple of different units; does anyone have experience with these? Are there others that someone would recommend? My preference would be a hardware unit, but I'm willing to consider PC software as well. The reason I ask this question is because my Repeater does NOT work well for this application; even at half-speed the sound is too distorted to be useful, and I'd really like to go even slower than that. Thanks very much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 11:06:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DF63E00871; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:06:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:06:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406131505.i5DF5oh00830@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: looper for learning music? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:05:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcRRUjmsld0XA+TzS+WhufaWa98ylQABXyWg In-Reply-To: <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try Audacity for PC/MAC http://audacity.sf.net is it the best for this pupose? It is free though and very feature rich. -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper for learning music? I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for slowing down recordings in order to learn them? (on guitar, for me) I know that Reed Kotler makes a couple of different units; does anyone have experience with these? Are there others that someone would recommend? My preference would be a hardware unit, but I'm willing to consider PC software as well. The reason I ask this question is because my Repeater does NOT work well for this application; even at half-speed the sound is too distorted to be useful, and I'd really like to go even slower than that. Thanks very much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 11:18:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DFHK102102; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c45159$83c5e420$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:17:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh I know this for sure......It is why I want to try it out with a laptop just to see the reaction. The difference a few ms makes to me, much like it does to you is huge. It's the main reason I have not ventured into the world of guitar synths. I hate to play ahead of the beat endlessly. I cannot relax within the loop because I have to keep my mind on my timing at all points(or a foot on a volume pedal at all times to fade in the attack). I can't speak for the VG series as I have never tried one, and have only a passive interest at best. I would only switch to a digital rig, and a totally non-pedal/rack digital rig if I felt the latency was acceptible and I was happy to the degree of processing I could get out of a Laptop alone(and a stand alone looper or two, one based on sample/loop and another based on delay/hold(a RC-20 and a Maneco Looper would probably be my weapons of choice). Though, I have to admit, I don't get a huge lag from when I hit a note to when the sound appears(if any at all) with my current rig, but that is more because I obsess over such things. The only issues I have ever had were from moniter systems playing live, which have caused me great degress of issue, till I figured that they have about 50ms of "lag"(not true lag, but I can't think of a better term right now). Then again, I am a solo act, my amp is enough of a moniter for me to survive in a live context. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Grossman" To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 2:53 AM Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) > > Well, I have to say I am pretty uninterested in any analog pedals(I have 5 > > analog pedal to 15 digital pedals within my rig) or tube amps at this > point, > > so I am looking to the digital Gibson as a new alternative. I will have > to > > see how it reacts with a laptop and VST's first. > > The problem with digital is latency (the delay between when you pluck a note > and the time the signal hits your amp). Especially when the sound is being > processed digitally for modelling and effects. If you have 15 digital > pedals, everyone of them will potentially delay your signal by some small > amount. If you don't have true bypass in a pedal then it will delay the > signal even when it is not turned on. > > Now, if Gibson's digital guitar is turning the string signals into digital > signals, they have to be buffered and processed. I'd imagine that between > the time you pluck a note and by the time they're processing is done, the > signal will have been delayed by an amount that I would consider > unacceptable. They do claim that their digital transport system will deliver > the signal across 100 meters with a 250 microsecond latency. That's probably > inaudible. But that doesn't account for effect processing which is likely a > much bigger source of latency. What's the point of a digital guitar if > you're not taking advantage of digital effect processing? > > In theory, the idea of a digitally processed and modelled guitar signal is a > great idea. In reality, I feel that any significant latency in the signal is > unacceptable for my purposes. Especially since, as a bass player, I strive > to nail the beat and be in time with my drummer. That is the primary reason > I've stayed away from the V-Bass. Before I buy one, I'd have to be 100% sure > that the latency is completely inaudible. > > - Dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 12:02:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DG1Bx08193; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <190.2ad96617.2dfdd435@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:00:53 EDT Subject: Re: Andreas Willers US/Can tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5DG10h08158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andreas, There are also a lot of places between the Bay Area of California and Vancouver BC. If you plan on driving the I-5 highway north, consider taking a "rest" stop in Medford, Oregon (just over the Cali/Oregon border) even if you don't stop to play. I'd be glad to meet a fellow looper and extend a little hospitality. Write back (off list of course) anytime if you're interested. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 12:28:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DGRiM10964; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:27:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <89.d55d42b.2dfdda58@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:27:04 EDT Subject: Steve Lacy wisdom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1087144024" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1087144024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: http://senators.free.fr/. Couldn't have said it better. Great musician!!! Peace, James We don't determine music, The music determines us; We only follow it To the end of our life: Then it goes on without us. It begs to be born and, Wants to go its own way, We just make it up and, Then we let it out. Music speaks for itself, And needs no explanation Or justification: Either it is alive, or it is not. -------------------------------1087144024 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1087144024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 12:46:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DGjBZ13363; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> References: <200403211046.i2LAkn222608@hemlock.violacea.com> <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:44:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: looper for learning music? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for >slowing down recordings in order to learn them? (on guitar, for me) I >know that Reed Kotler makes a couple of different units; does anyone >have experience with these? The Reed Kotler unit is excellent. I used to own one, but I sold it because I found that I prefer to transcribe stuff using software (and the sound is a bit better, too). So, I suppose that's an individual preference. But as far as hardware goes, I think the Reed Kotler TR-1000 is the best available. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 13:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DHZVp21105; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:35:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:35:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8AC1B040-BD60-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:38:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 70 degrees F the speed of sound is 1129.5 ft per sec. So figure 1.1 ft per millisecond. A device like the Repeater, with a 11 msec latency will sound as if it's 12.1 feet away from you. The fact that you don't hear an electric guitar from the source means the guitar has a natural latency based on the fact that the sound source isn't in your hands. So add another 5 feed in my studio, more when I play out. My mind seems to instantly compensate for this. I wonder what makes some people so much more sensitive to this than others? Maybe you get used to it. Not a single instrument I own has 0 latency due to digital conversion or MIDI latency. The plus side is it makes my studio seem bigger to me in a subliminal way, I guess. People have always told me that I'm not "all there" so maybe that's it. I'm over there a bit. Mark On Jun 12, 2004, at 11:53 PM, David J. Grossman wrote: > > > In theory, the idea of a digitally processed and modelled guitar > signal is a > great idea. In reality, I feel that any significant latency in the > signal is > unacceptable for my purposes. Especially since, as a bass player, I > strive > to nail the beat and be in time with my drummer. That is the primary > reason > I've stayed away from the V-Bass. Before I buy one, I'd have to be > 100% sure > that the latency is completely inaudible. > > - Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 13:44:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DHhEV22078; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c4516d$c0dd4bf0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> <8AC1B040-BD60-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if it is because I only play through headphones at home that I am so sensitive to it in live situation? You raise a good point. I figure it might be because few players, like myself, are not exposed to multiple playing conditions..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) > At 70 degrees F the speed of sound is 1129.5 ft per sec. So figure 1.1 > ft per millisecond. A device like the Repeater, with a 11 msec latency > will sound as if it's 12.1 feet away from you. The fact that you don't > hear an electric guitar from the source means the guitar has a natural > latency based on the fact that the sound source isn't in your hands. > So add another 5 feed in my studio, more when I play out. My mind > seems to instantly compensate for this. I wonder what makes some > people so much more sensitive to this than others? Maybe you get used > to it. Not a single instrument I own has 0 latency due to digital > conversion or MIDI latency. The plus side is it makes my studio seem > bigger to me in a subliminal way, I guess. People have always told me > that I'm not "all there" so maybe that's it. I'm over there a bit. > > Mark > > On Jun 12, 2004, at 11:53 PM, David J. Grossman wrote: > > > > > > > In theory, the idea of a digitally processed and modelled guitar > > signal is a > > great idea. In reality, I feel that any significant latency in the > > signal is > > unacceptable for my purposes. Especially since, as a bass player, I > > strive > > to nail the beat and be in time with my drummer. That is the primary > > reason > > I've stayed away from the V-Bass. Before I buy one, I'd have to be > > 100% sure > > that the latency is completely inaudible. > > > > - Dave > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 13:46:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DHjh122675; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:45:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:45:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:45:18 -0300 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1087148718.2A.986722.42.26553.52.42.007.2049935403" From: "Ricardo" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B44) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 200.216.30.228 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --_=__=_XaM3_.1087148718.2A.986722.42.26553.52.42.007.2049935403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all... I'm a guitar player from Brazil and I've just joined the list. = I have a Digitech PDS 8000 and I've experiencing some problems with it (t= here are annoying pops along with the repeats and some of the functions d= oesn't work). Finding parts for it here is virtually impossible. Do you h= ave a clue of what's going on? Do you have a source of parts for this ped= al? Thanks, Ricardo --_=__=_XaM3_.1087148718.2A.986722.42.26553.52.42.007.2049935403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all... I'm a guitar player from Brazil and I've just joined the l= ist. I have a Digitech PDS 8000 and I've experiencing some problems with = it (there are annoying pops along with the repeats and some of the functi= ons doesn't work). Finding parts for it here is virtually impossible. Do = you have a clue of what's going on? Do you have a source of parts for thi= s pedal?
 
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--_=__=_XaM3_.1087148718.2A.986722.42.26553.52.42.007.2049935403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 14:20:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DIJ7330370; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c45172$e59f23f0$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> <8AC1B040-BD60-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Ebay echoplexi... (spoiler: Gibson bashing thread) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:18:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 70 degrees F the speed of sound is 1129.5 ft per sec. So figure 1.1 > ft per millisecond. A device like the Repeater, with a 11 msec latency When I was evaluating our digital recording system, I noticed that a snare hit was being picked up by the other drum microphones at different times. I thought it was a bug in the software or recording hardware until I did the calculations and determined that the delays were due to the speed of sound. :-) Natural and unnatural latency will always exist. It's important to minimize this latency where possible. I think that analog pedals will always have a minimal amount of latency compared to digital pedals. I haven't measured that though. I should try that out sometime. We all need to be aware that the more digital processing we do to our signal, the more latency will exist. Effects manufacturers aren't likely to advertise this or even make it obvious in their specs. It's a good thing to keep in mind though. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 14:37:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DIaNi00772; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c45176$8f37b500$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Wally Jericho with BLEEP Visuals Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:45:12 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday June 15th - Wally Jericho with BLEEP Visuals >From Jericho Station in Orangeville, Ontario, Wally Jericho's electro­acoustic styling will provide a blend of Trumpet, Alto­Sax Guitar & Loops, with various combinations of sampled Bass, Drums & other sounds from his collection of sonic delights. Sit back, stand up, relax, be intense, talk at will, laugh with your friends, enjoy the time we have together to set aside routine & requirement. BLEEP Visuals will provide eye candy for you & Mr Jericho. "Here in this half­light, you look a lot like her." http://www.wallyjericho.com http://www.bleeptunes.com Between Sets CD - "Archive One" by Anomalous Disturbances The third of Vancouver looping guitarist Terry O'Brien's CD releases from his Anomalous Disturbances project featuring deep and enveloping ambient soundscapes. (Disappearing Music) http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday June 22nd - Intergalactic Faerie Funk http://www.galacticfunk.net Between Sets CD - "OM" by dreamSTATE (e-SPACE) http://www.dreamstate.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews The debut release by quasiMODAL is a prime example of both the talent and the collaborative nature of the music scene that's developed around Toronto's AMBiENT PiNG. Featuring cheryl o on cello, treatments and loops, Steven Sauve (of karmafarm and of Sylken) on synth, piano and loops, Michael Keith (half of MCF) on guitar, banjo, vocal stylings & more, and Matthew Paulakakis (aka Automatic Fats) on piano, bass, guitar etc., it's a veritable who's who of local ambient/improvisational artists! Showcasing a collection of pieces recorded at a variety of sessions, including a performance this year at the AMBiENT PiNG, this disc captures the sound of four brilliant talents perfectly aligned with each other in the spirit of creation. "Mr K Dreams the Truth" opens the disc with a duel of cello and guitar, spurred on by piano and bass. An improvisational tour de force highlighting the various talents assembled. Track two "Left of Spring" features a similar frenetic energy, albeit more focussed, more directed towards the idea of spinning a tale, weaving a yarn. Building to an inspired ending reflecting intensity and madness, "Left of Spring" is a fantastic piece of aural story telling. "Luminal" plays along a more delicate path, a beautiful piece bringing to mind the calm untroubled flight of a butterfly, wind both aiding and hindering it's journey through the sky. Some very nice bass work in this one, very sublime playing. The amusingly titled "New Adventures With Buzz & Klik" is a brilliant example of processed loops, feedback & remodelled sounds all brought together in a seemingly random pattern that slowly builds into a form of reason and purpose. A beautiful piano melody dances along the edges of the track while drones rise and fall, buzzes whirr and click, and a thousand (or maybe only just one) other tones compete for your attention. What an incredible track! Now. Let us turn our attention to "In the Guinea Pig Cage". It opens with Michael's vocals backed by a slow build of piano, cello and more all rising towards a frenetic and fantastic swell that ebbs and flows for a spell before gradually calming and breaking into segments showcasing each member of the ensemble. I think this piece might well be the quintESENTIAL (quintiMODAL?) track, truly highlighting the ability of these artists to work together as a group and as individuals within that group. Truly a testimony to the skill and musicality of its collected members. Without doubt, quasiMODAL is something special, something worth discovering for yourself. If you've been lucky enough to see one of their performances then surely you already know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, then this disc is a great introduction to their work, sure to make you a fan. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 15:01:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DJ0Gu06171; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:59:34 EDT Subject: Re: Steve Lacy wisdom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5DIxkh06121 Resent-Message-ID: <4OpDZD.A.4fB.jQKzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, Thanks for the great Steve Lacy quote (and URL). Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 15:14:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DJDfZ07898; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040613191323.91500.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: looper for learning music? To: mtman@cloud9.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elby, I have been using the Akai Riff-O-Matic for many years and have found it to be an invaluable resource for learning licks. I went through a bunch of other hardware (and software) models at the time I purchased it and ended up with the Akai. New they sell for around $150 or $175. If you are interested in one, I would sell mine for $75. It does 2/3 speed and 1/2 speed which I found more than enough for even the most difficult to capture licks. There is also a "pitch grab" function that just grabs a few ms at a time and allows the user to move that window forwards or backwards through the recorded sample. In addition to tempo slowing, you can also pitch shift up or down by semitones or cents to put it in tune with your instrument, I think it has a range of an octave either way. Then there is a filter function to filter out unwanted sounds if you're having trouble hearing what you want to hear. It's lightweight, about 5 1/2" x 4" and comes with wall wart and manual. Nowadays I use CoolEditPro (software) to get similar results. Stephen >> I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for slowing down recordings in order to learn them? (on guitar, for me) I know that Reed Kotler makes a couple of different units; does anyone have experience with these? Are there others that someone would recommend? My preference would be a hardware unit, but I'm willing to consider PC software as well. The reason I ask this question is because my Repeater does NOT work well for this application; even at half-speed the sound is too distorted to be useful, and I'd really like to go even slower than that. << __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 15:42:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DJemi11842; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:40:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <74390C04-BD71-11D8-AF37-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:39:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-13, at 11.45, Andreas Willers wrote: > Hi, > > yes, focussing on performance as opposed to chops is probably very > important. Quote from Howard Roberts: "Don't go and learn your > arpeggios, go > and learn YOUR ARPEGGIO." > > I just saw Elliot Sharp perform solo acoustic guitar and, while being > extremely limited as far as his playing technique goes, he still > maintained > an "attention curve" and a focus in his performance rather well - a > music > lesson. > > Regards, Andreas Can't say how much I agree with Andreas post. Telling your story is essential! And as with all kinds of storytelling the time line is very important. You have to initially decide on a certain tempo (not the "BPM" tempo but rather how often you introduce new themes into your storyt) and then stick carefully to that tempo. If speeding or slowing down the story it has to lead to some sort of conclusion. Not saying that you have to know about the end station when beginning to slow down the train - you can always make something up when you get there. My trick to avoid ruts is to start at a different station and go to different place than usual. You can also chose to take the train through a different landscape. It's very easy and anything actually goes as long as you treat music as "a story" or "a journey". If you, or a partner, should to play "the wrong" notes, it doesn't matter that much if the movement is clear. A lot of great music is imperfect when analyzed in detail... but - who cares about that? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 16:31:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DKTr621464; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:30:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper for learning music? X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> References: <200403211046.i2LAkn222608@hemlock.violacea.com> <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain, > I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for > slowing down recordings in order to learn them? Try Transcribe. http://www.seventhstring.com -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 16:38:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DKcKv22881; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040613151955.1109d6b0@pine.f5.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:33:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Dual Echo Pros...? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not a huge deal, but I'm starting to get a little miffed at the looper function inside my Line 6 Echo Pro squashing everything down to mono... Are there any other Echo Pro users who've experimented with using two Echo Pros as dual mono loopers, in order to preserve the stereo spread? If so, what were your results like? TIA!!! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 17:08:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DL7gP27364; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:07:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:07:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:03:31 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Catilyne cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros...? In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040613151955.1109d6b0@pine.f5.com> Message-ID: References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040613151955.1109d6b0@pine.f5.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! I dont use two echos but get in contact with Stuart Wyatt in Tha UK, he is using to echos to loop an electric violin with great results, I dont have his adress in handy buy you wont have any problems contactin him from www.solostring.com Andy On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Catilyne wrote: > It's not a huge deal, but I'm starting to get a little miffed at the looper > function inside my Line 6 Echo Pro squashing everything down to mono... > > Are there any other Echo Pro users who've experimented with using two Echo > Pros as dual mono loopers, in order to preserve the stereo spread? If so, > what were your results like? > > TIA!!! > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 17:50:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DLnIt01095; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8AC1B040-BD60-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> <8AC1B040-BD60-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:48:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: latency (was: Ebay echoplexi...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 70 degrees F the speed of sound is 1129.5 ft per sec. So figure >1.1 ft per millisecond. A device like the Repeater, with a 11 msec >latency will sound as if it's 12.1 feet away from you. The fact >that you don't hear an electric guitar from the source means the >guitar has a natural latency based on the fact that the sound source >isn't in your hands. So add another 5 feed in my studio, more when >I play out. My mind seems to instantly compensate for this. I >wonder what makes some people so much more sensitive to this than >others? Maybe you get used to it. Not a single instrument I own >has 0 latency due to digital conversion or MIDI latency. The plus >side is it makes my studio seem bigger to me in a subliminal way, I >guess. People have always told me that I'm not "all there" so maybe >that's it. I'm over there a bit. > >Mark Important remark mark mark... I guess it depends a lot on the kind of music Thomas Diethelm used to say that he could not play with his speaker more than 50cm away from his head. I believe him because he did very quick and precise rhythmic music based on short loops also, one thing is to hear yourself while you play (no loops), another is to hear the loop with the same latency, a third is to hear the loop with no latency, and thus the actual playing not where it will end up in the loop. Did anyone investigate where the problem really is? in praxis with a laptop you get more latency for the direct signal than for the loop, being that the one of the loop can be adjusted, depending on the software we use... Dave: >Natural and unnatural latency will always exist. It's important to minimize >this latency where possible. I think that analog pedals will always have a >minimal amount of latency compared to digital pedals. I haven't measured >that though. I should try that out sometime. We all need to be aware that >the more digital processing we do to our signal, the more latency will >exist. Effects manufacturers aren't likely to advertise this or even make it >obvious in their specs. It's a good thing to keep in mind though. analog delay is so short it never was an issue. It may be interesting to have a few miliseconds of delay on some frequencies, while only the treble range is important for timing judgment. simple digital effect machines, be it the old delays that did not process but just store sound, or the ones with DSP, have extremely low latencies of a few samples. More modern converters added buffers with like 16 samples to the DSP machines, still below 1ms anyway. But yes, if you go through 15 of them, you may notice... %-/ latency only becomes an issue where the sound goes through a complex OS or a comunication system like Ethernet. > >On Jun 12, 2004, at 11:53 PM, David J. Grossman wrote: > >> >> >>In theory, the idea of a digitally processed and modelled guitar signal is a >>great idea. In reality, I feel that any significant latency in the signal is >>unacceptable for my purposes. Especially since, as a bass player, I strive >>to nail the beat and be in time with my drummer. That is the primary reason >>I've stayed away from the V-Bass. Before I buy one, I'd have to be 100% sure >>that the latency is completely inaudible. >> >>- Dave -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 18:12:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DMBcj06553; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <1087042064.40caf210f1b31@www.correo.unam.mx> <000d01c450a5$a5d608b0$6401a8c0@watercooled> <000801c450c2$12dd5870$6401a8c0@watercooled> <001f01c45103$d1deae40$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000401c45113$2c7c2b20$6401a8c0@watercooled> <8AC1B040-BD60-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <74E60ED7-BD86-11D8-A585-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: latency (was: Ebay echoplexi...) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:10:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-13, at 23.48, Matthias Grob wrote: > in praxis with a laptop you get more latency for the direct signal > than for the loop, being that the one of the loop can be adjusted, > depending on the software we use... This is only true if you are using "software monitoring" and are playing your instruments direct signal through some software. If using "direct monitoring", built into the audio interface hardware, there is no such latency. This means your instrument is split into two signals at the input: one goes to the amp/PA and one goes into the computer software to be processed. > My mind seems to instantly compensate for this. I wonder what makes > some people so much more sensitive to this than others? Maybe you get > used to it. > Mark One of the ideas with doing a sound-check before the a show, when touring, is to learn and memorize the latency on that particular stage and back-line system. The best way to do a good show is to rely as much as possible on the monitoring speakers, not stage amps (since they are all placed at a different distance). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 19:20:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5DNJdx16841; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:19:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c4519c$dae400a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Acceptable Latency Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:19:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave wrote about the fear of unacceptable latency with the new Gibson digital guitar (or any guitar) and it got me to thinking about my philosophy about 'acceptable' latency in any instrument. Because I started out playing drumset, I have had the pleasure of playing an instrument that has virtually no latency whatsoever. Hit a snare with a drumstick and , voila! Immediate transience. I say this because when I started playing bass guitar it became obvious that the low bass notes develop over a few milliseconds after you pluck. If you use your thumb far away from the bridge and turn the treble down on your bass (dub stylee or subsonics) the 'latency' is really visceral compared to hitting a hi hat with a stick. Anyone who has gone from a trumpet to a tuba knows this one really well. Or from playing sticks to 'stirring the soup' playing jazz with brushes. What we do, if we switch instruments is that we compensate until we learn how to play 'in the pocket' with another instrument (or another loop). I really noticed this when I went from using the Jamman to using the Line 6 to using the Repeater to using the EDP. Everyone of them has slightly different inherent latencies (most probably resulting only from the style of footswitch used. One by one, because I am a freak about micro-timing (and playing 'on top of' or 'behind' the beat for different kinds of expression), I learned how to have good timing with each of these new 'latency' challenges. I'll soon be using the Behringer FCB 1010 with Ableton's live and Cycling 74 Max/MSP and I know it will be back to the drawing board on learning each systems inherent latency. So I hear what Dave says about unacceptable latency, but I would contend that a more latent phenomenae (I think of the earliest Peavey Bass Synth I ever tried out.....................wow, talk about large latency) just provides us with an even greater challenge to improve our abilities to teach ourselves how to consistently play ahead or behind the beat with rhytmic impunity. LOL, with great respect, Dave, I say 'bring on the latentcy'!!!!!! It's a great teacher and it's doable, if awkward as hell at first. Rick ps A long time ago, I believe I posted an exercise designed to teach anyone in one hour how to play behind the beat, ahead of the beat or right on the money. If you aren't sure how to do this, you might search for that thread or if people can't find it, I'll repost if anyone wants me to. It is the almost always the culprit when people have a hard time playing with each other for rhythmic reasons. The other night as an example I played with a killer guitarist and a killer bassist (who was subbing the gig for the first time). The bassist and I are both really used to 'laying back' on the beat as is done in a lot of soul and r&b but it was the guitarists gig and we weren't jiving at all!!!!! It took me half of the first set to realize that the guitarist was actually playing hard funk (with a discernable swing to every thing he played) on top of the beat and he was really uncomfortable where we were laying it down. At the set break we all three discussed it and came to the conclusion that I should play 'up' and with the guitarist and just let the bass player follow me. Well, I'm so used to locking it in with the bassist (and what a good bassist this guy was) that it was a definite challenge and I definitely spent the first half of the next set a bit in my head but locking it up to the best of my ability. Luckily, I have trained my self to play on any side of the beat, so although it was uncomfortable, we fucking rocked the house in the second set! The audience went nuts to..........It was just palpable how much better we sounded from set two to set one. 15 years ago I would have left the gig bewildered, thinking, "I just don't click , stylistically, with this guy" and never played with him or her again. The good news is this guy is stoked to hire me again the next time he needs a sub and he is a fantastic funk player, so I"m stoked to have met him. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 20:25:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E0OP927356; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <184EDA8D-BD99-11D8-9CFC-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: No MIDI from EDP buttons Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:23:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <4j9qs.A.pqG.lAPzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I have 2 EDP's running with an MPC 1000. I am using a FCB1010 to control EDP1 and the EFC-7 to control EDP2. I can program button pushes from the FCB1010 to the MPC1000 but for some reason pushing the front panel buttons doesn't sent MIDI, nor does the EFC-7 on EDP2. I wanted to embed a couple of EDP MIDI controller tracks onto the MPC in real time by using the front panel buttons. Any Idea's? I have the FCB going out to the MPC's MIDI-in port #1. The FCB is programed to send MIDI notes on Ch.1. EDP1 is set to MIDI ch. 1 and EDP 2 is set to MIDI ch. 2. Then MIDI out of the MPC's Out-A going into the MIDI in of EDP1. I have a TRS cable connection the brother sync ports of both of the EDP's. I have MIDI out of EDP1 going into MIDI in of EDP2. If I connect MIDI out of EDP2 back into the MIDI in "B" of the MPC I get a MIDI feedback loop that seems to feed my EDP's some high quality crack cocaine. I also tried sending the EDP2 MIDI OUT back into the FCB in and setting it up to Merge so that the new MIDI data on Ch.2 from EDP2 could be recorded to track 2 (ch. 2) on the MPC and then I would have freed up a MIDI port on my MPC for use with a keyboard. What the hell is going on? ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 20:37:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E0adN29297; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:36:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:36:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: Loop 4 upgrade hold up? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:34:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know why it is taking so long for my Loop 4 upgrade to show up? Or why no one at Aursis has responded to me to let me know what the deal is. I payed with Paypal and if I'm going to ask Paypal to try to get my money back for non-delivered-goods I need to do so before 30 days from the order. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 21:41:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E1dg406312; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:07 -0700 Subject: AC adapter confusion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--651718771 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7951fe6ef38dab87b1c55df86d156252ea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--651718771 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Greetings... I'm finally getting my studio set up after a cross-country move (CT to southern Oregon) and it's a lot of fun rethinking everything, simplifying, re-aquainting with old gear, etc...but one thing is causing me some concern: I didn't label my vast collection of wall warts adequately, so in some cases I'm not sure which goes with which device; most are obvious, but I'm having to read specs on some of the little buggers, and I'm pretty clueless. So, for instance, is it OK to plug an 820mA jack into a device that specifies 500mA, all other specs being OK? I'm almost positive these were mated before, but the device is a Digi SpaceStation and I'd be heart-broken if I screwed it up. Thanks! David (our new info: David and Ellen Coffin 1096 Winchuck River Road Brookings, OR 97415 541-412-2793) --Apple-Mail-2--651718771 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Greetings... I'm finally getting my studio set up after a cross-country move (CT to southern Oregon) and it's a lot of fun rethinking everything, simplifying, re-aquainting with old gear, etc...but one thing is causing me some concern: I didn't label my vast collection of wall warts adequately, so in some cases I'm not sure which goes with which device; most are obvious, but I'm having to read specs on some of the little buggers, and I'm pretty clueless. So, for instance, is it OK to plug an 820mA jack into a device that specifies 500mA, all other specs being OK? I'm almost positive these were mated before, but the device is a Digi SpaceStation and I'd be heart-broken if I screwed it up. Thanks! HelveticaDavid (our new info: David and Ellen Coffin 1096 Winchuck River Road Brookings, OR 97415 541-412-2793) --Apple-Mail-2--651718771-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 22:16:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E2FYP13077; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:09:58 -0400 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Music gear (mostly electronic) for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Pardon the cross-post. Please reply off-list if you are interested I'm engaging in a pre-moving cleanout of gear that I haven't used in a while. I'm selling the music items listed below.If you are interested in local pickup, I'm in Lexington MA. Most things that are not spoken for by late this week will be put on ebay, where you might (or might not) get a better price. All prices include ground shipping to continental US Ensoniq ESQ -M with custom mod providing extra waveforms. This provides the sound capabilities of the SQ-80, which was never made as a rack unit. No manual 170 (shipped) 145 (Local pickup) Korg Wavestation SR 260 350 (shipped) 325 (Local Pickup) JL Cooper Mixmaster 8 channel Midi controlled Mixer (No manual) 125 shipped, 100 Local pickup Electro Harmonix 16 second delay (classic looping box) (No manual, none needed) 550 (shipped) 525 (Local pickup) Roland MPU-101 4 channel; Midi-CV interface (No Manual) 250 Shipped 225 Local pickup LExicon LXP-1 Effects processor 145 (shipped) 125 (Local pickup) Bang & Olfason Beogram RX2 turntable -- MMC 4 stylus condition unknown 65 shipped 40 local pickup 3 level Ultimate Support Systems keyboard stand -- needs disassembly or large vehicle 65/bo Local pickup Misc percussion package Bass drum pedal that was shipped to me by mistake and I never returned Badly out of tune talking drum Badly out of tune Indian 2 headed drum Badly out of tune (and not tunable) frame drum 40/bo local pickup Big Briar Touch Pad (X, Y, area controller) needs repair This (purchased from Bob Moog's company about 20 years ago) was an awesome controller for analog synth gear when it worked, a pad that sensed position in x and y and the amount of finger area touching the controller. Unfortunately, it kept blowing out the y output and I got tired of sending it back to Bob Moog to get it fixed. I'm sure Bob would try to fix it again if asked. Make me an offer. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 22:31:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E2Ujk14944; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:30:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:29:44 -0700 Subject: Re: AC adapter confusion From: glenn To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3jpunC.A.LlD.Z2QzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep, as long as all other specs are cool(center positive, center negative, voltage, etc), it's cool, it'll just draw what it needs. If it were the other way around (a device that specifies 850ma and your wall wart were 500ma) then it'd be a prob. glenn on 6/13/04 6:39 PM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote: > Greetings... > I'm finally getting my studio set up after a cross-country move (CT to > southern Oregon) and it's a lot of fun rethinking everything, > simplifying, re-aquainting with old gear, etc...but one thing is > causing me some concern: > > I didn't label my vast collection of wall warts adequately, so in some > cases I'm not sure which goes with which device; most are obvious, but > I'm having to read specs on some of the little buggers, and I'm pretty > clueless. So, for instance, is it OK to plug an 820mA jack into a > device that specifies 500mA, all other specs being OK? I'm almost > positive these were mated before, but the device is a Digi SpaceStation > and I'd be heart-broken if I screwed it up. > > Thanks! > > > David > > (our new info: > David and Ellen Coffin > 1096 Winchuck River Road > Brookings, OR 97415 > 541-412-2793) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 13 23:23:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E3Ldj22135; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "DAVE BRAY" To: Subject: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:21:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4518C.58403250" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2004 03:20:58.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CCC7E60:01C451BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4518C.58403250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am in a strange situation. But, I won't bore you with my = personal life ;) so here is my question. I am using an Alesis SR-16 drum = machine w/ my EDP. I have the SR-16 set as the timing master, and am = using the standard non-midi EDP footcontroller. When I record my first = loop after I have started the SR-16, everything is fine. BUT..when I = record a second loop, it ends up being exactly a half a beat off. There = are two ways I end the action of recording a second loop. One is..I hit = the next loop button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 when Loop 2 has = ended Im using Quantize=3DLoop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but going back to = Loop 2, the EDP is perfectly upsidedown beatwise. Go back to Loop 1, all = is well again. The other way that I end the recording of Loop 2 is by = hitting the reaord button. In that case, Loop 2 continues to play, and = is in time w/ the SR-16. But, if I hit nextloop, and go into Loop 1, = then Loop 1 is perfectly upsidedown beatwise. Right now I am stuck w/ = only using the EDP for 1 loop, but I am hoping someone knows how to fix = this. Help would be greatly appreciated, as always. dave ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4518C.58403250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, I am in a strange situation. = But, I won't=20 bore you with my personal life ;) so here is my question. I am = using an=20 Alesis SR-16 drum machine w/ my EDP. I have the SR-16 set as the timing = master,=20 and am using the standard non-midi EDP footcontroller. When I = record my=20 first loop after I have started the SR-16, everything is fine. BUT..when = I=20 record a second loop, it ends up being exactly a half a beat off. There = are two=20 ways I end the action of recording a second loop. One is..I hit the next = loop=20 button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 when Loop 2 has ended Im using=20 Quantize=3DLoop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but going back to Loop 2, the EDP = is=20 perfectly upsidedown beatwise. Go back to Loop 1, all is well again. The = other=20 way that I end the recording of Loop 2 is by hitting the reaord button. = In that=20 case, Loop 2 continues to play, and is in time w/ the SR-16. But, if I = hit=20 nextloop, and go into Loop 1, then Loop 1 is perfectly upsidedown = beatwise.=20 Right now I am stuck w/ only using the EDP for 1 loop, but I am hoping = someone=20 knows how to fix this. Help would be greatly appreciated, as always.=20 dave
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4518C.58403250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 00:08:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E47t429121; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:07:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:07:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:06:35 -0800 Subject: Re: looper for learning music? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40CC6346.4498067A@cloud9.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i used to use the Variable Tempo/Constant Pitch Phrase Recorder. that thing rocked as far as slowin down riffs and keeping the pitch constant-using the 'playbacktempo'-normal-2/3-1/2 you could clearlee hear the riff at a much slower speed in order to replicate same...also loved the 'note grabber' that just let you uhh....grab a note!(duhh)...worked good for me-ymmv seeya stanee > I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for > slowing down recordings in order to learn them? (on guitar, for me) I > know that Reed Kotler makes a couple of different units; does anyone > have experience with these? Are there others that someone would > recommend? My preference would be a hardware unit, but I'm willing to > consider PC software as well. The reason I ask this question is because > my Repeater does NOT work well for this application; even at half-speed > the sound is too distorted to be useful, and I'd really like to go even > slower than that. > > Thanks very much, > Elby > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 00:29:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E4ReS32011; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c451e1$8d1399e0$1a00a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: looper for learning music? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:31:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forget loopers for transcription work. Get Sound Forge for the PC. The timestretch algorithms in there are okay, but it's the transport that makes it so much better than a tape deck or CD player for transcribing. Select a portion of the audio with your mouse and set it to loop in there, then move along to the next phrase, select it, and set it to loop. If you need a phrase slower, then cut it out and paste it into a new .wav and apply some additional timestretch. Much more fluid for transcription work than using any kind of clunky looping device. Just my opinion. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: looper for learning music? > i used to use the Variable Tempo/Constant Pitch > Phrase Recorder. that thing rocked as far as slowin down riffs and keeping > the pitch constant-using the 'playbacktempo'-normal-2/3-1/2 you could > clearlee hear the riff at a much slower speed in order to replicate > same...also loved the 'note grabber' that just let you uhh....grab a > note!(duhh)...worked good for me-ymmv > seeya > stanee > > > I wonder if anyone can recommend a looper that is specifically for > > slowing down recordings in order to learn them? (on guitar, for me) I > > know that Reed Kotler makes a couple of different units; does anyone > > have experience with these? Are there others that someone would > > recommend? My preference would be a hardware unit, but I'm willing to > > consider PC software as well. The reason I ask this question is because > > my Repeater does NOT work well for this application; even at half-speed > > the sound is too distorted to be useful, and I'd really like to go even > > slower than that. > > > > Thanks very much, > > Elby > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 02:35:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E6YWW17021; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <004001c451e1$8d1399e0$1a00a8c0@yew> References: <004001c451e1$8d1399e0$1a00a8c0@yew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <583EEAB4-BDCD-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: looper for learning music? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:37:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 14, 2004, at 12:31 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Much more fluid for > transcription work than using any kind of clunky looping device. > Unless, of course, you're talking about the legendary Repeater with it's tape transport style like controls and realtime pitch and tempo transformation algorithms. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 03:35:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E7YTB25426; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <003c01c4519c$dae400a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Acceptable Latency Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:39:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2004 07:34:06.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9206DC0:01C451E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check this out: I've realized that if I overdub on an existing loop that is playing through a PA monitor speaker that isn't close to me, I can hear a discernable "timing issue" after the overdub. If I use headphones to monitor the loop, I've had no problem at all. I finally realized that it probably has to do with the 10+feet of "latency" between the monitor speaker and my ears. So I'm playing perfectly in time with the loop if you were to stand next to me and listen, but as soon as I drop it in an overdub you can tell that the overdub is just a bit behind when the loop comes around and repeats! Its totally subtle, but I can definately hear it. This discussion finally put two and two together for me on this issue and I think its really relevant to everyone. So a question: How do y'all like to monitor your loops? Jon ps. On a related note: my electrix mo-fx and filter factory each have about 15ms latency on them (I think). I can hear the difference when I enable them on one repeater track and not the others. Wouldn't it be super nice to be able to shift the loop back 15ms to compensate right as you drop in the effect? The repeater can do slip, but its a complicated sequence and calculation I think - maybe there's a trick midi thing that can do this. Can anything like this be done on the EDP? anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 05:01:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E90co07537; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:00:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <003301c451ed$eda06f70$674ba8c0@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop 4 upgrade hold up? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:59:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, I have the same problem. Im waiting for a long, long time already. But ok I live in Germany. >From experience I know shipping from the states takes about 3-5 days- When I sent 2 emails they didnt reply. They replied on the mailing list though and wrote that they actually replied my mail. Well Im pretty sure I didnt get any mail. I also paid via paypal... John, have you ordered from the US ? Greetings Jens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Metzler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: Loop 4 upgrade hold up? > Does anybody know why it is taking so long for my Loop 4 upgrade to > show up? Or why no one at Aursis has responded to me to let me know > what the deal is. I payed with Paypal and if I'm going to ask Paypal > to try to get my money back for non-delivered-goods I need to do so > before 30 days from the order. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 05:05:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5E94as08167; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c451ee$573d7bd0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <184EDA8D-BD99-11D8-9CFC-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Subject: Re: No MIDI from EDP buttons Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:02:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi John Ill have a try (I dont know the mpc) > Hi. I have 2 EDP's running with an MPC 1000. I am using a FCB1010 to > control EDP1 and the EFC-7 to control EDP2. I can program button > pushes from the FCB1010 to the MPC1000 but for some reason pushing the > front panel buttons doesn't sent MIDI, nor does the EFC-7 on EDP2. from each edp midi out you should have the note ons duplicated from the footped or front pushes [ Control source NOT] >I wanted to embed a couple of EDP MIDI controller tracks onto the MPC in > real time by using the front panel buttons. Any Idea's? no prob > > I have the FCB going out to the MPC's MIDI-in port #1. The FCB is > programed to send MIDI notes on Ch.1. EDP1 is set to MIDI ch. 1 and EDP > 2 is set to MIDI ch. 2. Then MIDI out of the MPC's Out-A going into > the MIDI in of EDP1. I have a TRS cable connection the brother sync > ports of both of the EDP's. ok > I have MIDI out of EDP1 going into MIDI in > of EDP2. ok > If I connect MIDI out of EDP2 back into the MIDI in "B" of the MPC I > get a MIDI feedback loop that seems to feed my EDP's some high quality > crack cocaine. this is a MPC setting problem search for midi thru and deactivate it >I also tried sending the EDP2 MIDI OUT back into the FCB > in and setting it up to Merge so that the new MIDI data on Ch.2 from > EDP2 could be recorded to track 2 (ch. 2) on the MPC and then I would > have freed up a MIDI port on my MPC for use with a keyboard. Midi loop again your feeding the messages back to the edp that will comme back to the fcb etc you main problem is you want to have all the master/slave possibilities without unplugging any cable wich I think will not work soo easyly as you also have midi clock to provide everywhere and the either the edp or the mpc could be master of sync and /or master of button pushes without a programmable midi patch bay ( with message filtering ) you will not be able to go from one situation to the other without unplugging here's a simple way fcb out , edp1 in, edp1 out, edp 2 in, edp 2 out, mpc1 in, ////////mpc out, fcb in edp sync out mpc sync slave you must disable any midi thru on the mpc and mute the track you're recording to while you're recording OR a MIDI loop will occur good luck Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 08:04:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EC2Rs09856; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c45207$4a049700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: latency and looping Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:01:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jon wrote: ps. On a related note: my electrix mo-fx and filter factory each have about > 15ms latency on them (I think). I can hear the difference when I enable > them on one repeater track and not the others. Wouldn't it be super nice to > be able to shift the loop back 15ms to compensate right as you drop in the > effect? The repeater can do slip, but its a complicated sequence and > calculation I think - maybe there's a trick midi thing that can do this. > Can anything like this be done on the EDP? anyone? > Wow, what an uber hip idea. If you could accomplish that with one midi command (and I"ve never even actually used the loop slip function on the Repeater yet) the audience would never know ( a good thing in this case) but it would really tighten up the sound. I swear I can hear the difference between monitoring in closed ear headphones and monitoring it from monitor speakers in front of me. It's really subtle, but I think I can hear it. It is noticeable, as you say when my brother monitors from the side of the stage as he likes to do. Now, what may be happening is that you may be reacting to the first reflections (those first 90 degree 'predelays') of the more distant speaker. About hearing really fine increments of time, I have a synthaesthetic visualization/audiolization trick that I use. I imagine in my long garage, that the back wall is the 16th note before the backbeat on 2 and that the front wall is the actual metronomic backbeat. Using that as a visual metaphor, I have tried to increase the perceptual 'distance' between those two points at varying tempi. Does this make sense? In other words, at slower tempi I can really feel that much audio/visual distance between 16th notes and it gets to be much shorter as the tempo speeds up. What I"ve tried to do is through mental imagery (and I suppose you could call it 'audio hallucination') tried to increase the physical distance as the tempo speeds up. Now my reason for doing this is to see if I can place myself in the timing anywhere on that continuum that I want to: a) a few milliseconds after the last 16th note b) 1/4 of the way towards the next note (the 64th note after the 16th before '2') c) 1/2 way, which is really easy to hear because it is just the 32nd note c) 3/4 of the way to '2' and an almost perceptible amount before the metromic time. I'm imagining all of this as a visualization but I"m also really concentrating on hearing the differences between where I put the note down (say if I"m double picking or playing a hand over hand single stroke roll). Years ago when I got my first drum machine that would play many swing percentages, I used to practise over and over at 52%, 54%, 56%, 58% 60%, 62%, 64% and 66.6% (true triplet eight note or triplet 16th note swing, depending on the quantized function). I did this because I was trying to understand the timing intricasies of both New Orleans 2nd line drumming,West African Malinkan djember 'swings' and Moroccan Gnawa or Shabia triplet 'swings' (well they aren't really swings but they are 'moles' or feels that are not metronomic. Being a spazz trying to play Brazilian batucada correctly was the first time I ever discovered that playing perfect metronomic time was not always a good thing.................lol. My teacher made me play this one 30 minute tape over and over on auto reverse so that I could get the 'mole' of the ganza (shakers) and the repinique (lead, kind of cross between a timbale and a snare drum without snares). Take that took me weeks to get feeling right............but well worth the effort. Loopers, have, actually, been the greatest of my teachers of rhythmic accuracy or percieved accuracy. God bless the jamman for those lessons. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 10:41:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EEYsd32736; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c4519c$dae400a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <750CF76B-BE10-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Acceptable Latency Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:38:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 14, 2004, at 12:39 AM, Jon Wagner wrote: > This discussion finally put two and two together for me on this issue > and I > think its really relevant to everyone. So a question: How do y'all > like to > monitor your loops? I do admit that about a year ago I totally switched to headphones. I didn't do it for any latency issue... I did it because when I play gigs at dance clubs (like tonight at 26mix in SF! ) there are never monitors. I've been burnt by this too many times. Back to latency... for one reason or another I'm usually at least 10-15 feet away from the drummer or other band member anyway. Jon, if you remember I was probably about 30 ft away from you when we played ATA together. So unless one is watching when the drummer hits the drum, you're automatically playing based on what's happened in the past. I guess this doesn't bother most people, me included. I have to wonder what it is about you guys that's different than me. I hope no one points it out to me. A long time ago someone pointed out all the flaws of most TVs and now I can't look at most TVs without seeing all sorts of convergence flaws that most people ignore. I like being ignorant and living 11ms in the past. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 11:51:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EFnq328595; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: steve jones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone know when Loop V is due? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:48:00 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5EFmdh28182 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Just wondering if there is an upgrade from LoopIV on the way, soon, 6 months, a year, 2 years? any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 12:10:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EG7V603066; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Anyone know when Loop V is due? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:05:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRSJ5uLHXpFuIs0SEmoyVJu1centQAAY0hw Message-Id: <20040614160542.EQZW14233.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: steve jones Hi, Just wondering if there is an upgrade from LoopIV on the way, soon, 6 months, a year, 2 years? any ideas? I JUST HOPE WE CAN KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE WITH THE HARDWARE--LOOP IV DOES SO MUCH NOW! Gary Ps I'm shouting and I don't know why From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 12:34:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EGRsx06351; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c4522c$de201660$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Item for Sale Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:30:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4520B.555B9640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4520B.555B9640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey: If anyone's interested, I placed a Behringer mixer on eBay (MX2642A): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3730213885&sspagenam= e=3DSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=3D1 Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4520B.555B9640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4520B.555B9640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 12:37:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EGXA407044; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040614111825.11428e00@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:26:42 -0500 To: smaug@servidor.unam.mx From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Dual Echo Pros...? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040613151955.1109d6b0@pine.f5.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <47LFvC.A.joB.KLdzAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:03 PM 6/13/2004, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > I dont use two echos but get in contact with Stuart Wyatt in Tha UK, he >is using to echos to loop an electric violin with great results, I dont >have his adress in handy buy you wont have any problems contactin him >from www.solostring.com Thanks Andy! I'd forgotten that Stuart had been working on a similar setup about the time he moved away from Paris. I'll have to go back through the archives and see if he's actually using them in parallel to maintain a stereo image, or if they're merely in series. However, you're right: I should send him a quick email, nonetheless. I was glad to see he finally updated his page, albeit even that was a few months ago. Looks like the poor guy got himself trapped in Hades for a while after moving back to the UK. Once again, thanks for the pointer! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 14:13:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EIC9224694; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:12:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:10:06 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz : Quadrafuzz: From: Angelwood To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3170063407_962656" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3170063407_962656 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Quadrafuzz: On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrote: > I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was > the Big > Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave > down pitch > thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble. > That's their model of a PAiA pedal. The Rocktave Divider, I think. I used that one fairly often when using the DM4. Does anyone have any experience with the PAiA Quadrafuzz? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- I have a Quadrafuzz I built from Craig Anderton/PAiA=B9s kit in the 80=B9s. It was very cool indeed! I loved the range of sounds I could get and I had a couple of settings that I truly loved. It was a rack-mount panel with a circuit-board attached perpendicularly behind the panel. The kit did not include a power supply (it could be powered by an onboard 9-volt battery) nor any switches, so I rigged the unit to a power supply in my rack and added a physical switch for effect on/off to my preamp=B9s floor-switch. Ther= e were no presets, so there was no way to =B3switch=B2 between different fuzz sounds on the fly without grabbing all the knobs at once! Being an early design and having no shielding to speak of =8B it was a noisy unit. I could get very lush and thick sounds, yet could also back off the additiv= e fuzzing and get something similar to my old original FuzzFace. With having several stages of fuzz available, it was possible to get a brittle distortion =AD similar to overdriving the older transistor amps (early Crates= , 70=B9s Sunn, etc. A sound I found quite ugly), to a smoother, more pleasant-sounding square wave fuzz, to a really thick and mellow, almost synth-sounding fuzz. Cranked with everything on =B311=B2 it was really nasty, was laden with a unique and difficult to control feedback and put ou= t enough signal to cause my old Gibson tube amp to smoke...quite literally! Regrettably, that Quadrafuzz was not particularly roadworthy and suffered from being part of a rack-mount kit on one short tour. Due in part to my poor soldering skills and what I think was a poorly implemented circuit-board-to-face-panel connection, the unit gave up being a reliable tool. I sent it in for service once and PAiA did a nice job of finding & reconnecting some bad solder joints (my fault) and replaced a faulty pot, but the next time it started making unwanted noise and acted intermittently= , I put it on the shelf where it remains today. [Man, oh, man...now I have t= o pull that thing down and see if It still works at all. I would love to get back some of those sounds!] Also regrettably, I broke the FuzzFace. I mean I really broke it. I stomped on it, missed the switch and hit BOTH the knobs, breaking the knobs and pushing the pots=B9 spindles in upon themselves =AD rendering both the potentiometers shattered. I tried to reassemble those cheap pots, but they were too far gone. I replaced the pots with pots of the same physical size and same resistance (and taper) value, but it never sounded the same! It sounded very harsh and brittle after the change. I tried a series of different pots, added resistors before the pots, changed taper from log to linear, and it never sounded the same. Later I loaned it out and the fellow did the same thing I did =AD pushed the pots into the unit...and managed to shove it sideways hard enough that the rubber feet on the bottom all peeled off and the screws holding the bottom plate pulled out of the metal housing! I was sad to see it die, but it gave its life for a good cause! I haven=B9t tried the new ones by Dunlop. Today, these noise-boxes get me by: 1982 Boss OD-1 (hardly used since I got the VF-1) Boss VF-1: This simulator unit kicks butt! I am using stomp-box simulation to get nice overdrive-type distortion, but have nearly unlimited ability to shape the sound with EQ, compression, and other nicities. I can add an Overdrive distortion to a =B3guitar-synth=B2 sound to get the square-wave distortion I sometime want. The amp overdrive simulators are wonderful as well...and I find them more useful and controllable than most simple distortion boxes. 1971 Foxx Fuzz-Wah =AD the fuzz is extremely nasty & noisy (and 60-ish). It also has an octave switch to give you a shrill screaming tone one-octave up= . Not particularly useful very often, but still pretty cool. --B_3170063407_962656 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Fuzz : Quadrafuzz: Re: Quadrafuzz:

On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrot= e:

> I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was =
> the Big
> Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave <= BR> > down pitch
> thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble.
>
That's their model of a PAiA pedal. The Rocktave Divider, I think. I
used that one fairly often when using the DM4.

Does anyone have any experience with the PAiA Quadrafuzz?

Mark
----------------------------------------------------------

I have a Quadrafuzz I built from Cra= ig Anderton/PAiA’s kit in the 80’s. It was very cool indeed! I l= oved the range of sounds I could get and I had a couple of settings that I t= ruly loved.  It was a rack-mount panel with a circuit-board attached pe= rpendicularly behind the panel. The kit did not include a power supply (it c= ould be powered by an onboard 9-volt battery) nor any switches, so I rigged = the unit to a power supply in my rack and added a physical switch for effect= on/off to my preamp’s floor-switch. There were no presets, so there w= as no way to “switch” between different fuzz sounds on the fly w= ithout grabbing all the knobs at once! Being an early design and having no s= hielding to speak of — it was a noisy unit.

I could get very lush and thick sounds, yet could also back off the additiv= e fuzzing and get something similar to my old original FuzzFace. With having= several stages of fuzz available, it was possible to get a brittle distorti= on – similar to overdriving the older transistor amps (early Crates, 7= 0’s Sunn, etc. A sound I found quite ugly), to a smoother, more pleasa= nt-sounding square wave fuzz, to a really thick and mellow, almost synth-sou= nding fuzz. Cranked with everything on “11” <grin> it was = really nasty, was laden with a unique and difficult to control feedback and = put out enough signal to cause my old Gibson tube amp to smoke...quite liter= ally! <grin>

Regrettably, that Quadrafuzz was not particularly roadworthy and suffered f= rom being part of a rack-mount kit on one short tour. Due in part to my poor= soldering skills and what I think was a poorly implemented circuit-board-to= -face-panel connection, the unit gave up being a reliable tool. I sent it in= for service once and PAiA did a nice job of finding & reconnecting some= bad solder joints (my fault) and replaced a faulty pot, but the next time i= t started making unwanted noise and acted intermittently, I put it on the sh= elf where it remains today.  [Man, oh, man...now I have to pull that th= ing down and see if It still works at all.  I would love to get back so= me of those sounds!]

Also regrettably, I broke the FuzzFace. I mean I really broke it. I = stomped on it, missed the switch and hit BOTH the knobs, breaking the knobs = and pushing the pots’ spindles in upon themselves – rendering bo= th the potentiometers shattered. I tried to reassemble those cheap pots, but= they were too far gone. I replaced the pots with pots of the same physical = size and same resistance (and taper) value, but it never sounded the same! I= t sounded very harsh and brittle after the change. I tried a series of diffe= rent pots, added resistors before the pots, changed taper from log to linear= , and it never sounded the same.
Later I loaned it out and the fellow did the same thing I did – pushe= d the pots into the unit...and managed to shove it sideways hard enough that= the rubber feet on the bottom all peeled off and the screws holding the bot= tom plate pulled out of the metal housing! I was sad to see it die, but it g= ave its life for a good cause! I haven’t tried the new ones by Dunlop.=

Today, these noise-boxes get me by:
1982 Boss OD-1 (hardly used since I got the VF-1)
Boss VF-1:  This simulator unit kicks butt! I am using stomp-box simul= ation to get nice overdrive-type distortion, but have nearly unlimited abili= ty to shape the sound with EQ, compression,  and other nicities. I can = add an Overdrive distortion to a “guitar-synth” sound to get the= square-wave distortion I sometime want. The amp overdrive simulators are wo= nderful as well...and I find them more useful and controllable than most sim= ple distortion boxes.
1971 Foxx Fuzz-Wah – the fuzz is extremely nasty & noisy (and 60-= ish). It also has an octave switch to give you a shrill screaming tone one-o= ctave up. Not particularly useful very often, but still pretty cool. --B_3170063407_962656-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 14:14:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EIBnI24661; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:09:25 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Fuzz : Quadrafuzz: From: Angelwood To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3170063366_945563" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3170063366_945563 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Quadrafuzz: On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrote: > I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was > the Big > Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave > down pitch > thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble. > That's their model of a PAiA pedal. The Rocktave Divider, I think. I used that one fairly often when using the DM4. Does anyone have any experience with the PAiA Quadrafuzz? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- I have a Quadrafuzz I built from Craig Anderton/PAiA=B9s kit in the 80=B9s. It was very cool indeed! I loved the range of sounds I could get and I had a couple of settings that I truly loved. It was a rack-mount panel with a circuit-board attached perpendicularly behind the panel. The kit did not include a power supply (it could be powered by an onboard 9-volt battery) nor any switches, so I rigged the unit to a power supply in my rack and added a physical switch for effect on/off to my preamp=B9s floor-switch. Ther= e were no presets, so there was no way to =B3switch=B2 between different fuzz sounds on the fly without grabbing all the knobs at once! Being an early design and having no shielding to speak of =8B it was a noisy unit. I could get very lush and thick sounds, yet could also back off the additiv= e fuzzing and get something similar to my old original FuzzFace. With having several stages of fuzz available, it was possible to get a brittle distortion =AD similar to overdriving the older transistor amps (early Crates= , 70=B9s Sunn, etc. A sound I found quite ugly), to a smoother, more pleasant-sounding square wave fuzz, to a really thick and mellow, almost synth-sounding fuzz. Cranked with everything on =B311=B2 it was really nasty, was laden with a unique and difficult to control feedback and put ou= t enough signal to cause my old Gibson tube amp to smoke...quite literally! Regrettably, that Quadrafuzz was not particularly roadworthy and suffered from being part of a rack-mount kit on one short tour. Due in part to my poor soldering skills and what I think was a poorly implemented circuit-board-to-face-panel connection, the unit gave up being a reliable tool. I sent it in for service once and PAiA did a nice job of finding & reconnecting some bad solder joints (my fault) and replaced a faulty pot, but the next time it started making unwanted noise and acted intermittently= , I put it on the shelf where it remains today. [Man, oh, man...now I have t= o pull that thing down and see if It still works at all. I would love to get back some of those sounds!] Also regrettably, I broke the FuzzFace. I mean I really broke it. I stomped on it, missed the switch and hit BOTH the knobs, breaking the knobs and pushing the pots=B9 spindles in upon themselves =AD rendering both the potentiometers shattered. I tried to reassemble those cheap pots, but they were too far gone. I replaced the pots with pots of the same physical size and same resistance (and taper) value, but it never sounded the same! It sounded very harsh and brittle after the change. I tried a series of different pots, added resistors before the pots, changed taper from log to linear, and it never sounded the same. Later I loaned it out and the fellow did the same thing I did =AD pushed the pots into the unit...and managed to shove it sideways hard enough that the rubber feet on the bottom all peeled off and the screws holding the bottom plate pulled out of the metal housing! I was sad to see it die, but it gave its life for a good cause! I haven=B9t tried the new ones by Dunlop. Today, these noise-boxes get me by: 1982 Boss OD-1 (hardly used since I got the VF-1) Boss VF-1: This simulator unit kicks butt! I am using stomp-box simulation to get nice overdrive-type distortion, but have nearly unlimited ability to shape the sound with EQ, compression, and other nicities. I can add an Overdrive distortion to a =B3guitar-synth=B2 sound to get the square-wave distortion I sometime want. The amp overdrive simulators are wonderful as well...and I find them more useful and controllable than most simple distortion boxes. 1971 Foxx Fuzz-Wah =AD the fuzz is extremely nasty & noisy (and 60-ish). It also has an octave switch to give you a shrill screaming tone one-octave up= . Not particularly useful very often, but still pretty cool. --B_3170063366_945563 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Fuzz : Quadrafuzz: Re: Quadrafuzz:

On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrot= e:

> I remember a fuzz emulation that I particularly liked, I think it was =
> the Big
> Muff emulation, and a couple of others. There was one with an octave <= BR> > down pitch
> thing that was just huge going into a loop. Made a cool rumble.
>
That's their model of a PAiA pedal. The Rocktave Divider, I think. I
used that one fairly often when using the DM4.

Does anyone have any experience with the PAiA Quadrafuzz?

Mark
----------------------------------------------------------

I have a Quadrafuzz I built from Cra= ig Anderton/PAiA’s kit in the 80’s. It was very cool indeed! I l= oved the range of sounds I could get and I had a couple of settings that I t= ruly loved.  It was a rack-mount panel with a circuit-board attached pe= rpendicularly behind the panel. The kit did not include a power supply (it c= ould be powered by an onboard 9-volt battery) nor any switches, so I rigged = the unit to a power supply in my rack and added a physical switch for effect= on/off to my preamp’s floor-switch. There were no presets, so there w= as no way to “switch” between different fuzz sounds on the fly w= ithout grabbing all the knobs at once! Being an early design and having no s= hielding to speak of — it was a noisy unit.

I could get very lush and thick sounds, yet could also back off the additiv= e fuzzing and get something similar to my old original FuzzFace. With having= several stages of fuzz available, it was possible to get a brittle distorti= on – similar to overdriving the older transistor amps (early Crates, 7= 0’s Sunn, etc. A sound I found quite ugly), to a smoother, more pleasa= nt-sounding square wave fuzz, to a really thick and mellow, almost synth-sou= nding fuzz. Cranked with everything on “11” <grin> it was = really nasty, was laden with a unique and difficult to control feedback and = put out enough signal to cause my old Gibson tube amp to smoke...quite liter= ally! <grin>

Regrettably, that Quadrafuzz was not particularly roadworthy and suffered f= rom being part of a rack-mount kit on one short tour. Due in part to my poor= soldering skills and what I think was a poorly implemented circuit-board-to= -face-panel connection, the unit gave up being a reliable tool. I sent it in= for service once and PAiA did a nice job of finding & reconnecting some= bad solder joints (my fault) and replaced a faulty pot, but the next time i= t started making unwanted noise and acted intermittently, I put it on the sh= elf where it remains today.  [Man, oh, man...now I have to pull that th= ing down and see if It still works at all.  I would love to get back so= me of those sounds!]

Also regrettably, I broke the FuzzFace. I mean I really broke it. I = stomped on it, missed the switch and hit BOTH the knobs, breaking the knobs = and pushing the pots’ spindles in upon themselves – rendering bo= th the potentiometers shattered. I tried to reassemble those cheap pots, but= they were too far gone. I replaced the pots with pots of the same physical = size and same resistance (and taper) value, but it never sounded the same! I= t sounded very harsh and brittle after the change. I tried a series of diffe= rent pots, added resistors before the pots, changed taper from log to linear= , and it never sounded the same.
Later I loaned it out and the fellow did the same thing I did – pushe= d the pots into the unit...and managed to shove it sideways hard enough that= the rubber feet on the bottom all peeled off and the screws holding the bot= tom plate pulled out of the metal housing! I was sad to see it die, but it g= ave its life for a good cause! I haven’t tried the new ones by Dunlop.=

Today, these noise-boxes get me by:
1982 Boss OD-1 (hardly used since I got the VF-1)
Boss VF-1:  This simulator unit kicks butt! I am using stomp-box simul= ation to get nice overdrive-type distortion, but have nearly unlimited abili= ty to shape the sound with EQ, compression,  and other nicities. I can = add an Overdrive distortion to a “guitar-synth” sound to get the= square-wave distortion I sometime want. The amp overdrive simulators are wo= nderful as well...and I find them more useful and controllable than most sim= ple distortion boxes.
1971 Foxx Fuzz-Wah – the fuzz is extremely nasty & noisy (and 60-= ish). It also has an octave switch to give you a shrill screaming tone one-o= ctave up. Not particularly useful very often, but still pretty cool. --B_3170063366_945563-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 14:47:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EIj4N30175; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c45240$183dbba0$f1caa344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:47:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.202.241] at Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:44:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another way to break out of a musical rut -- stop playing music for a while! I remember hearing from a trumpet playing friend that Miles Davis would occassionally just stop playing for periods of time -- which I can understand as a way to losen the hold of mechanisms and habits formed over a period of time. I've ried it a few times, and what I've noticed is that if I combine "getting back on the horse" approach while also "changing the horse" (change guitar, amp, band, rehearsal space, whatever) it can be quite effective. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 15:52:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EJp6W20701; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:51:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: <007401c45248$d4164a10$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C45216.897BDA10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C45216.897BDA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I shared, both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have another horrific and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even more interesting video effects. See the last video, "The Probe," at this page: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm I was able to synchronize some of the video effects with my looped guitar piece, which in this case is a very minimalistic intro of a longer song from my CD, using the acoustic guitar, delay, reverb, and the Boomerang. I wish I could share the 60MB version with you. The music quality and video resolution are much better. I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole DVD's worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no charge)..later this summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are interested, and I'll put you on the list. I can probably handle sending 20 or so. Regards, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C45216.897BDA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video

For those of you who enjoyed the = previous two microorganism videos I shared, both of which were = choreographed with looped music, I have another horrific and disgusting = creature to add to the list, with even more interesting video effects. = See the last video, "The Probe," at this page:

http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart= ung/videos.htm

I was able to synchronize some of the = video effects with my looped guitar piece, which in this case is a very = minimalistic intro of a longer song  from my CD, using the acoustic = guitar, delay, reverb, and the Boomerang.  I wish I could share the = 60MB version with you. The music quality and video resolution are much = better.

I probably won’t share anymore = with the group until I have a whole DVD's worth of videos to ship to = those who are interested (no charge)….later this summer after I = collect more specimens.  Send me a note if you are interested, and = I'll put you on the list. I can probably handle sending 20 or = so.

Regards,

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C45216.897BDA10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 16:40:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EKdZ202610; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <001e01c45240$183dbba0$f1caa344@hppav> References: <001e01c45240$183dbba0$f1caa344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tactics for Circumventing Musical Ruts Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:37:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-14, at 20.47, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Another way to break out of a musical rut -- stop playing music for a > while! > > I remember hearing from a trumpet playing friend that Miles Davis would > occassionally just stop playing for periods of time -- which I can > understand as a way to losen the hold of mechanisms and habits formed > over a > period of time. Yeah, great tip! I've never managed to do that but I usually change main instrument for a period. It's always extremely exciting and inspiring to finally go back to the other instrument again. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 17:14:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5EL7lf10511; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <750CF76B-BE10-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <003c01c4519c$dae400a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <750CF76B-BE10-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Acceptable Latency Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:07:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 14, 2004, at 9:38 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I do admit that about a year ago I totally switched to headphones. I > didn't do it for any latency issue... I did it because when I play > gigs at dance clubs (like tonight at 26mix in SF! ) there > are never monitors. I've been burnt by this too many times. I heard 1015 Folsum has monitors. you should play there. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 17:55:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ELqmA20056; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: Chicago Area Loopers Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:50:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does any know of loop-friendly venues or looping artists in the Chicago region? Thanks, Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 14 20:08:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5F06gD26230; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:06:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Chicago Area Loopers Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:05:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 14, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Jeff Evans wrote: > Does any know of loop-friendly venues or looping artists in the > Chicago region? if by "region" you mean a large area encompassing more than what is north of i80 and east of i355, come on down to Peoria and you can play with me at the Red Barn. the Suit & Tie Guy Band creates a loop-friendly atmosphere in any bar it plays in. until we get fired. haha. i'm on AIM: suit6 ... IM me if you want to chat about doing joint gigs in the city or the Chicagoland area or the region. also, Michael Firman plays out with MEME. he knows the Chicago area better than I do. you should email him as well. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 02:42:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5F6eKX32185; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040615063959.57029.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Chicago Area Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean there is a loopist that actually lives in the same city I do(Peoria)???? --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jun 14, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Jeff Evans wrote: > > Does any know of loop-friendly venues or looping > artists in the > > Chicago region? > > if by "region" you mean a large area encompassing > more than what is > north of i80 and east of i355, come on down to > Peoria and you can play > with me at the Red Barn. > > the Suit & Tie Guy Band creates a loop-friendly > atmosphere in any bar > it plays in. until we get fired. haha. > > i'm on AIM: suit6 ... IM me if you want to chat > about doing joint gigs > in the city or the Chicagoland area or the region. > > also, Michael Firman plays out with MEME. he knows > the Chicago area > better than I do. you should email him as well. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 03:42:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5F7U5F11645; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040615063959.57029.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040615063959.57029.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Chicago Area Loopers Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:29:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:39 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > You mean there is a loopist that actually lives in the > same city I do(Peoria)???? sure is. i've been staging "ambient penetrations" of punk rock shows and bookstores here since 1996. come to Chillicothe's Second Street Market on Thursday from 5.30pm to 7.30pm if you want to check us out. i'll be playing (at least) Hammond, Moog Liberation, and an Echo Pro for looping. i may GO CRAZY and bring out the Not So Massive (According To Analogue Heaven) Berlin School Rack. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 03:52:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5F7pQ417450; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040615075108.80124.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Chicago Area Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shame I can't make it to that gig, keep me posted though, I'll come check it out, perhaps afterward, I can check out your rig(s) to get an idea on how I could set up my rig. I'm still developing a technique and a rig at that. I've been busy working with a traditional band at the moment, but once it's up and running, I want to work on an loop thingy of my own. --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:39 AM, Brian Kupferschmid > wrote: > > You mean there is a loopist that actually lives in > the > > same city I do(Peoria)???? > > sure is. i've been staging "ambient penetrations" of > punk rock shows > and bookstores here since 1996. > > come to Chillicothe's Second Street Market on > Thursday from 5.30pm to > 7.30pm if you want to check us out. i'll be playing > (at least) Hammond, > Moog Liberation, and an Echo Pro for looping. i may > GO CRAZY and bring > out the Not So Massive (According To Analogue > Heaven) Berlin School > Rack. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 12:10:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5FG7Ox03364; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:07:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:07:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040615090708.036ce948@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:13:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop 4 upgrade hold up? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:34 PM 6/13/2004, John Metzler wrote: >Does anybody know why it is taking so long for my Loop 4 upgrade to show >up? Or why no one at Aursis has responded to me to let me know what the >deal is. I payed with Paypal and if I'm going to ask Paypal to try to get >my money back for non-delivered-goods I need to do so before 30 days from >the order. Hi John- It clearly says that delivery time is 3 weeks on the ordering page of our web site. You ordered two weeks ago so there is no reason to be getting so antsy yet. We do offer rush delivery, which you could have chosen if you wanted it that quickly. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I've been busy with work and a different project and haven't even checked my email for days. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 16:46:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5FKbWQ18440; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Greg Kucharo Subject: nu music Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:36:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've put up a bunch of short samples of music i've been working on. I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of it, good or bad. It's all here; http://homepage.mac.com/telecaster/music.html The quality varies, and the pieces are largely short and unfinished. Thanks! -Greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Jam yesterday or jam tomorrow, but never jam today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 19:28:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5FNDxr23717; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: nu music Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:13:15 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c4532e$56c0bf50$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The sound quality is excellent. What samples/loops did you create yourself with an instrument vs. pre-recorded samples? These days it is hard to tell with all the Sonic Foundry CDs out there, SampleTank, Acid, etc. I love it when folks produce this style of music themselves, end to end, from sample creation all the way to mix. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: nu music I've put up a bunch of short samples of music i've been working on. I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of it, good or bad. It's all here; http://homepage.mac.com/telecaster/music.html The quality varies, and the pieces are largely short and unfinished. Thanks! -Greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Jam yesterday or jam tomorrow, but never jam today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 19:48:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5FNe4K27639; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: nu music Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:42:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.garageband.com is another good place to get reviews of your sound. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juni 2004 22:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: nu music > > > I've put up a bunch of short samples of music i've been working on. > I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of it, good or bad. It's all here; > > http://homepage.mac.com/telecaster/music.html > > The quality varies, and the pieces are largely short and unfinished. > > Thanks! > -Greg > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Jam yesterday or jam tomorrow, but never jam today" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 15 20:11:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5G06tU02363; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A992314-BF29-11D8-87DB-000A95864C54@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: nu music Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:06:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I didn't feel it was really ready for that yet. Garageband seemed more geared toward fully completed album type work. On Jun 15, 2004, at 4:42 PM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > www.garageband.com is another good place to get reviews of your sound. > > Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] >> Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juni 2004 22:37 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: nu music >> >> >> I've put up a bunch of short samples of music i've been working on. >> I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of it, good or bad. It's all here; >> >> http://homepage.mac.com/telecaster/music.html >> >> The quality varies, and the pieces are largely short and >> unfinished. >> >> Thanks! >> -Greg >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Jam yesterday or jam tomorrow, but never jam today" >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Push the button Frank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 01:55:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5G5sNw27942; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:54:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: nu music (ways to promote) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:54:10 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c45366$586944c0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0A992314-BF29-11D8-87DB-000A95864C54@mac.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that we're on the topic of ways you can promote and either upload or link to your music, I'd like to share several places where I have promoted my music and CD, most of which are free. ItsFun.com - http://www.itsfun.com (not free) C|Net Download.com - http://music.download.com Soundclick - http://www.soundclick.com Magic Bus Music -http://www.mbus.com Purevolume - http://www.purevolume.com Hot Bands - http://www.hotbands.com Musician's Registry - http://www.musiciansregistry.com Singer/Song Writer Directory - http://singer-songwriter.com Every little bit counts. After I submitted or linked to my music with the above sites, as well as Amazon.com, the Orchard, and CD Baby, my music started to spread across the internet and search engines like wildfire. For those of you trying to promote your CDs, I highly recommend The Orchard. For $99 these guys will sell your CD on their web site, plus distribute world-wide, both your physical CD and digital downloads. In one month, my new CD was on Amazon, Tower Records, Sam Goody, Best Buy, CD Universe, and many other online stores. Plus they submitted me on All Music Guide (www.allmusic.com), which I think is really cool given I use it to do all my band and genre research. http://www.theorchard.com/index.php In addition to over 50 digital music providers, they supply the following online Retail stores: Amazon.com, CDNow.com, BarnesandNoble.com, Borders.com, Circuitcity.com, Sonicnet.com, Bestbuy.com, CDuniverse.com, SamGoody.com, Yahoo.com, Virginmega.com, Artistdirect.com, Waldenbooks.com, Target.com, HMV.com, TowerRecords.com, FYE.com Kris -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: nu music Yeah, I didn't feel it was really ready for that yet. Garageband seemed more geared toward fully completed album type work. On Jun 15, 2004, at 4:42 PM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > www.garageband.com is another good place to get reviews of your sound. > > Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] >> Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juni 2004 22:37 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: nu music >> >> >> I've put up a bunch of short samples of music i've been working >> on. I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of it, good or bad. It's all >> here; >> >> http://homepage.mac.com/telecaster/music.html >> >> The quality varies, and the pieces are largely short and >> unfinished. >> >> Thanks! >> -Greg >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Jam yesterday or jam tomorrow, but never jam today" >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Push the button Frank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 02:38:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5G6bP908791; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <007401c45248$d4164a10$6401a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Sm6IucZfgemSmcWD2gBHWHzS6brNQd-6wUjZ7YHn94BEYZ-9Ct2Dci@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <2YENdB.A.IIC.Qq-zAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I shared, both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have another horrific and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even more interesting video effects. interesting and very creative stuff Krispen ... thanks for sharing! > I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole DVD's worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no charge)..later this summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are interested, and I'll put you on the list. sure I'd be interested! Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de Neuensaaler Str. 35, D-51515 Kuerten, Germany From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 03:49:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5G7m3n26390; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:48:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:44:49 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1T9Kf.A.xZG.Ys_zAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested! put me om your list please! Andy On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Michael Peters wrote: > > For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I > shared, both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have another > horrific and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even more > interesting video effects. > > interesting and very creative stuff Krispen ... thanks for sharing! > > > > I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole DVD's > worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no charge)..later this > summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are > interested, and I'll put you on the list. > > sure I'd be interested! > > > Michael Peters > www.michaelpeters.de > Neuensaaler Str. 35, D-51515 Kuerten, Germany > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 04:09:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5G88pg32293; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <58B49156-BF6C-11D8-8AF6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: nu music (ways to promote) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:08:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Begin forwarded message: > From: Per Boysen > Date: den 16 juni 2004 08.53.02 MET > To: > Subject: Re: nu music (ways to promote) > > Hi Kris, > > Great post! I'm starting to look into these matters as I'm just about > to finish up an indie album here. Other great sites I've been > recommended are http://www.zonkmusic.com/ and > http://www.magnatune.com/. And of course iTunes Music Store - if you > are in partnership with a label. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > On 2004-06-16, at 07.54, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Now that we're on the topic of ways you can promote and either upload >> or >> link to your music, I'd like to share several places where I have >> promoted my music and CD, most of which are free. >> >> ItsFun.com - http://www.itsfun.com (not free) >> C|Net Download.com - http://music.download.com >> Soundclick - http://www.soundclick.com >> Magic Bus Music -http://www.mbus.com >> Purevolume - http://www.purevolume.com >> Hot Bands - http://www.hotbands.com >> Musician's Registry - http://www.musiciansregistry.com >> Singer/Song Writer Directory - http://singer-songwriter.com >> >> Every little bit counts. After I submitted or linked to my music with >> the above sites, as well as Amazon.com, the Orchard, and CD Baby, my >> music started to spread across the internet and search engines like >> wildfire. >> >> For those of you trying to promote your CDs, I highly recommend The >> Orchard. For $99 these guys will sell your CD on their web site, plus >> distribute world-wide, both your physical CD and digital downloads. In >> one month, my new CD was on Amazon, Tower Records, Sam Goody, Best >> Buy, >> CD Universe, and many other online stores. Plus they submitted me on >> All >> Music Guide (www.allmusic.com), which I think is really cool given I >> use >> it to do all my band and genre research. >> >> http://www.theorchard.com/index.php >> >> In addition to over 50 digital music providers, they supply the >> following online Retail stores: >> >> Amazon.com, CDNow.com, BarnesandNoble.com, Borders.com, >> Circuitcity.com, >> Sonicnet.com, Bestbuy.com, CDuniverse.com, SamGoody.com, Yahoo.com, >> Virginmega.com, Artistdirect.com, Waldenbooks.com, Target.com, >> HMV.com, >> TowerRecords.com, FYE.com >> >> Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 04:14:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5G8D4N00957; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:12:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole >>> DVD's >> worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no >> charge)..later this >> summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are >> interested, and I'll put you on the list. Please post a note if they will be available online in a Mac compatible format. I'd like to check it out. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 10:13:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5GEBnO10378; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040616140941.82382.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am very interested as well please include me on your list! I will be working soon with a Joerg Kallinich who does really cool stuff with simple projectors,when i saw him at his recent show i thought he was working with a lap top and MIDI but to my surprise he was doing everything analog, tapping rythmically light switches syncronized to the bands loops!he basically mixes slides creating different moods and images which really cought my eye,but when i asked him what were some of his slide choices he said: well ive been getting into slaughter houses and pig guts they blend really well with flowers.... check his website: http://www.projektionsperformance.de/ cheers L.a --- smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > I'm interested! put me om your list please! > > Andy > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Michael Peters wrote: > > > > For those of you who enjoyed the previous two > microorganism videos I > > shared, both of which were choreographed with > looped music, I have another > > horrific and disgusting creature to add to the > list, with even more > > interesting video effects. > > > > interesting and very creative stuff Krispen ... > thanks for sharing! > > > > > > > I probably won't share anymore with the group > until I have a whole DVD's > > worth of videos to ship to those who are > interested (no charge)..later this > > summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a > note if you are > > interested, and I'll put you on the list. > > > > sure I'd be interested! > > > > > > Michael Peters > > www.michaelpeters.de > > Neuensaaler Str. 35, D-51515 Kuerten, Germany > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 10:35:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5GEVbq14030; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <52ABA21D-BFA2-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:34:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on a Mac and I can see them. Just go to www.versiontracker.com and look for the Windows Media Player for Macintosh. On Jun 16, 2004, at 1:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>>> I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole >>>> DVD's >>> worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no >>> charge)..later this >>> summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a note if you are >>> interested, and I'll put you on the list. > > Please post a note if they will be available online in a Mac > compatible format. I'd like to check it out. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 15:10:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5GJ4Bo25246; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <157.37b44c2d.2e01f387@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:03:35 EDT Subject: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5GJ3lh25084 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Well, this has GOT to be the last review "Flux Aeterna" will EVER get. I just stumbled across it. It's sort of funny how a disc released in early July of 2001 (3 months before 9/11) keeps getting grudging notice out there. I've stopped sending out review copies years ago. Honest. >Steve Koenig -- JumpArts Journal, December 2003 >http://www.jumparts.org/Records/column_risks_dec_2003.htm >TED KILLIAN. Flux Aeterna. pfMentum CD007, 70:42, pfmentum.com >Killian’s electric and acoustic guitars, samples and loops create an >intriguing blend of noise, ambient (due to bass growl underpin), and >arena rock guitar over the course of ten varied tracks. This might >appeal to prog-rockers more than the free-improv crowd, but its >definitely appealing. I listened to this right after indulging myself >in all four sides of Tales from Topographic Oceans. This seems >the perfect dessert. What if Jimi went really druggy? Mix by Jeff >Kaiser. Its in a thin three-fold package wrapped in a band. Hehehehe. Not one for the scrapbook but he seemed to like it. But, the "arena rock" quip I don't quite get. Is that what i sound like? Gosh. Anywho . . . I gotta get something new out there for these folks to poke fun at. Hehehe . . . Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 18:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5GM5sK00620; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40D0C2E3.9020602@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:00:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #377 for June 10, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040610.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #377 June 10, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Sequences magazine, The Featured CD at Midnight was the compilation disc that came with issue 26. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Picture Music" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records. Sequences Magazine - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jun PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Klaus Schulze Totem * Picture Music (Brain) Free System Projekt Passage Passenger 4 (Quantum) and Dweller at the Threshold Dino Pacifici The Currents of Space The Float Zone (Scorpio Rising) David Wright Dark Matter Continuum (AD Music) Jim Cole and New Beginning The Last Bright Light Mathias Grassow (Atmoworks) 12:00 am VA[John Stewart] The Nine Aligned Sequences No. 26 VA[Xscape] A Pilgrim's Tale Sequences No. 26 VA[Otaku] Burning Bridges Sequences No. 26 VA[Prime Directive] Tone Angel Sequences No. 26 VA[Craig Padilla] Patterns of Thoughts pt1 Sequences No. 26 VA[Deep Sky Divers] Deep Sky Meditation Sequences No. 26 VA[Thomas Gruberski] Cathedral of Light Sequences No. 26 VA[David Parsons] Ma At Sequences No. 26 VA[The Sepia] Forever Lost Sequences No. 26 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Sequences Magazine which includes a compilation CD with each issue. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from Sequences issue number 27, disc one of a two disc set. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Grand Polyphonie" by Francoise Bayle on G.R.M. Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 19:06:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5GN5uU10599; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:05:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:05:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40D0D1AC.5090401@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:03:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Item for Sale References: <006d01c4522c$de201660$885bd618@knology.net> In-Reply-To: <006d01c4522c$de201660$885bd618@knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ryO7D.A.8kC.AJN0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul wrote: > If anyone's interested, I placed a Behringer mixer on eBay (MX2642A): > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3730213885&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > Hi Paul, I bought mine when they were selling new for $400. A year later, the price had dropped to $250. I use mine for gigs. I'd be interested in hearing what price you ultimately get for yours. Cheers, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 20:19:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H0Dd620717; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40D0D1AC.5090401@soundscapes.us> References: <006d01c4522c$de201660$885bd618@knology.net> <40D0D1AC.5090401@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C2C40DC-BFF3-11D8-A7CB-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Item for Sale Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:12:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why speculate: http://www.prepal.com/data/Behringer.htm I guess they've been discontinued and replaced by the UB2442FXPRO which sells for $339 Mark On Jun 16, 2004, at 4:03 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Paul wrote: > >> If anyone's interested, I placed a Behringer mixer on eBay (MX2642A): >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&item=3730213885&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 >> > ViewItem&item=3730213885&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1> > > Hi Paul, > > I bought mine when they were selling new for $400. A year later, the > price had dropped to $250. I use mine for gigs. I'd be interested in > hearing what price you ultimately get for yours. > > Cheers, > > Bill Fox > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 23:02:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H2rNo10874; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:45 EDT Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d5.f4f1848.2e026141_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <-HgB0C.A.cnC.IdQ0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d5.f4f1848.2e026141_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/16/04 3:05:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > But, the "arena rock" quip I don't quite get. ted.....at y2k3 all i could do was picture you with x-tra long hair and a magnificent SPANDEX suit.....:).....good for you!.....michael --part1_d5.f4f1848.2e026141_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 6/16/04 3:05:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com wri= tes:


But, the "arena rock" quip I do= n't quite get.


ted.....at y2k3 all i could do was picture you with x-tra long hair and a ma= gnificent SPANDEX suit.....:).....good for you!.....michael --part1_d5.f4f1848.2e026141_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 23:31:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H3PnH17108; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.20] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "DAVE BRAY" To: Subject: EDP w/ Drum machine-sequencer needed? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:19:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C453E7.A8303960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 03:20:02.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA45A3C0:01C45419] Resent-Message-ID: <-3fqD.A.sIE.n8Q0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C453E7.A8303960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been running an EDP w/ an Alesis SR-16 dru machine. 1 loop is = fine, but using two loops makes the EDP miss half a beat, so loop 2 is = on the upbeat. Is this because I need to run a sequencer w/ these?? = thanx, dave ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C453E7.A8303960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been running an EDP w/ an Alesis = SR-16=20 dru  machine. 1 loop is fine, but using two loops makes the EDP = miss half a=20 beat, so loop 2 is on the upbeat. Is this because I need to run a = sequencer w/=20 these?? thanx, dave
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C453E7.A8303960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 16 23:58:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H3vQC21905; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.22fdee5b.2e027055@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:56:05 EDT Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5H3uGh21818 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehe, In a message dated 6/16/04 7:53:05 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >y2k3 all i could do was picture you with x-tra long hair and a >magnificent SPANDEX suit Now that's a thought that'll make one loose their lunch. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 00:53:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H4pua29572; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c45426$c345d2c0$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP w/ Drum machine-sequencer needed? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:51:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C453EC.144DD950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C453EC.144DD950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, sorry I didn't get back to your other message. Sometimes I have a = lot of time and other times I don't. :-) The clock signal from the Alesis should be sufficient to keep your loops = in sync. There's a little green light on the loop number indicator that = should signal the "1" and another green light to the right that shows = each clock beat. Perhaps your drum machine's 1 is off. Or, perhaps = you're clicking on the loop change too late. This has always worked = flawlessly for me but I've never used an actual drum loop. We just use a = single click. Though, it's really the same thing. It's just a trivial = sequence. Make sure that you turn the drum machine on after the echoplex is on. Try clicking the Next Loop button even earlier. - Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DAVE BRAY=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: EDP w/ Drum machine-sequencer needed? I've been running an EDP w/ an Alesis SR-16 dru machine. 1 loop is = fine, but using two loops makes the EDP miss half a beat, so loop 2 is = on the upbeat. Is this because I need to run a sequencer w/ these?? = thanx, dave ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C453EC.144DD950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, sorry I didn't get back to your = other message.=20 Sometimes I have a lot of time and other times I don't. :-)
 
The clock signal from the Alesis should = be=20 sufficient to keep your loops in sync. There's a little green light on = the loop=20 number indicator that should signal the "1" and another green light to = the right=20 that shows each clock beat. Perhaps your drum machine's 1 is off. Or, = perhaps=20 you're clicking on the loop change too late. This has always worked = flawlessly=20 for me but I've never used an actual drum loop. We just use a single = click.=20 Though, it's really the same thing. It's just a trivial = sequence.
 
Make sure that you turn the drum = machine on after=20 the echoplex is on.
 
Try clicking the Next Loop button even=20 earlier.
 
- Dave
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DAVE=20 BRAY
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 = 9:19=20 PM
Subject: EDP w/ Drum = machine-sequencer=20 needed?

I've been running an EDP w/ an Alesis = SR-16=20 dru  machine. 1 loop is fine, but using two loops makes the EDP = miss half=20 a beat, so loop 2 is on the upbeat. Is this because I need to run a = sequencer=20 w/ these?? thanx, dave
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C453EC.144DD950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 02:44:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H6hLq10920; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96EFCB22-C029-11D8-B2CA-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: OSX MIDI utility for FCB1010 ? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:43:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of a MIDI edit utility for the FCB1010 made for OSX? I found the one for PC that a group of OG LD loopers made. It looks awesome !!! But I use a Mac, and I would love to have this type of control of the foot controller's programing in 10.3.x. ---John M. P.S. I found a cool program for that allows similar control for an MPC. It's called Mpc Pgm Maker. It looks sweet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 03:03:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H72cr14175; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.20] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP w/ Drum machine-sequencer needed? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:02:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 07:02:17.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[06C661B0:01C45439] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx for the reply, Dave! I will try it some more tommorrow, good news that a sequencer is not needed. I really appreciate the help, hopefilly we figure this out. dave >From: "David J. Grossman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: EDP w/ Drum machine-sequencer needed? >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:51:29 -0700 > >Hey, sorry I didn't get back to your other message. Sometimes I have a lot >of time and other times I don't. :-) > >The clock signal from the Alesis should be sufficient to keep your loops in >sync. There's a little green light on the loop number indicator that should >signal the "1" and another green light to the right that shows each clock >beat. Perhaps your drum machine's 1 is off. Or, perhaps you're clicking on >the loop change too late. This has always worked flawlessly for me but I've >never used an actual drum loop. We just use a single click. Though, it's >really the same thing. It's just a trivial sequence. > >Make sure that you turn the drum machine on after the echoplex is on. > >Try clicking the Next Loop button even earlier. > >- Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DAVE BRAY > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:19 PM > Subject: EDP w/ Drum machine-sequencer needed? > > > I've been running an EDP w/ an Alesis SR-16 dru machine. 1 loop is >fine, but using two loops makes the EDP miss half a beat, so loop 2 is on >the upbeat. Is this because I need to run a sequencer w/ these?? thanx, >dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 03:52:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H7pMc19789; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: nu music (ways to promote) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:54:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002301c45366$586944c0$6401a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: bKB3kyZlQeZ5LBzdt2UP-1zTKzrsk0B2LzAlh56D3P3HVQOeEjjfkD@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Every little bit counts. After I submitted or linked to my music with > the above sites, as well as Amazon.com, the Orchard, and CD Baby, my > music started to spread across the internet and search engines like > wildfire. I wonder what you did exactly with your CD. Does 'Krispen Hartung Records' mean that you had some company burn a number of CDs for you from your CDR? Did you then go to the Orchard with it? Did you submit your music to the above sites first (and how did you do that, submit to Amazon, say?), or did the Orchard do that for you? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 04:13:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H8BqU23990; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c45442$b4685e50$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <157.37b44c2d.2e01f387@aol.com> Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Hehehehe. Not one for the scrapbook but he seemed to like it. But, the "arena rock" quip I don't quite get. Is that what i sound like? Gosh.<<< I dunno Ted, I always thought of you as the Dann Huff of Looping... ;o) (and Bill Walker is obviously the Ted Nugent of MIDI guitar... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 04:36:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5H8Ykh26685; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <96EFCB22-C029-11D8-B2CA-000393D7CC50@mac.com> References: <96EFCB22-C029-11D8-B2CA-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0780D992-C039-11D8-B0F6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OSX MIDI utility for FCB1010 ? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:33:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 17, 2004, at 1:43 AM, John Metzler wrote: > Does anyone know of a MIDI edit utility for the FCB1010 made for OSX? > I found the one for PC that a group of OG LD loopers made. It looks > awesome !!! But I use a Mac, and I would love to have this type of > control of the foot controller's programing in 10.3.x. will Virtual PC work? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 07:40:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HBcrr18674; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: nu music (ways to promote) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:37:27 -0600 Message-ID: <003801c4545f$783ee2b0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen Hartung Records only means that I am my own record company, for branding purposes and an overall umbrella for multiple CDs. These days anyone can claim themselves as a record label (I did submit it on a few label registries), regardles of whether you manufacturing your own CDs or sub-contract. I'm independent, and the label thing is really for marketing purposes. But to your other point, I did have my CDs manufactured by a company, who provided the UPC barcoded, which is required by most major online distributors....and in actuality the Orchard is a label as well. This is why you see my CD twice on Amazon, once under my name and again under the Orchard. This is not uncommon. I submitted my music through the Amazon Advantage program (you can Google search on that) before I knew about the Orchard. After I submitted at the Orchard, it proliferated everywhere. I didn't even need to submit at Amazon myself, except that the turn-around time and customer service with them is more direct through the Advantage program. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: nu music (ways to promote) > Every little bit counts. After I submitted or linked to my music with > the above sites, as well as Amazon.com, the Orchard, and CD Baby, my > music started to spread across the internet and search engines like > wildfire. I wonder what you did exactly with your CD. Does 'Krispen Hartung Records' mean that you had some company burn a number of CDs for you from your CDR? Did you then go to the Orchard with it? Did you submit your music to the above sites first (and how did you do that, submit to Amazon, say?), or did the Orchard do that for you? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 09:27:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HDPU501412; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040617132505.26298.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: OSX MIDI utility for FCB1010 ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <96EFCB22-C029-11D8-B2CA-000393D7CC50@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Metzler wrote: > Does anyone know of a MIDI edit utility for the > FCB1010 made for OSX? > I found the one for PC that a group of OG LD loopers > made. It looks > awesome !!! But I use a Mac, and I would love to > have this type of > control of the foot controller's programing in > 10.3.x. MOTU Unisyn has a FCB1010 profile. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 09:45:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HDcxl02846; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers Subject: Re: Fwd: nu music (ways to promote) In-Reply-To: <58B49156-BF6C-11D8-8AF6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Message-ID: References: <58B49156-BF6C-11D8-8AF6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Per Boysen wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Per Boysen > > Date: den 16 juni 2004 08.53.02 MET > > To: > > Subject: Re: nu music (ways to promote) > > > > Hi Kris, > > > > Great post! I'm starting to look into these matters as I'm just about > > to finish up an indie album here. Other great sites I've been > > recommended are http://www.zonkmusic.com/ and > > http://www.magnatune.com/. And of course iTunes Music Store - if you > > are in partnership with a label. > > > > All the best > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.boysen.se > > http://www.looproom.com Another place to consider is Mperia. http://www.mperia.com/ best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > On 2004-06-16, at 07.54, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Now that we're on the topic of ways you can promote and either upload > >> or > >> link to your music, I'd like to share several places where I have > >> promoted my music and CD, most of which are free. > >> > >> ItsFun.com - http://www.itsfun.com (not free) > >> C|Net Download.com - http://music.download.com > >> Soundclick - http://www.soundclick.com > >> Magic Bus Music -http://www.mbus.com > >> Purevolume - http://www.purevolume.com > >> Hot Bands - http://www.hotbands.com > >> Musician's Registry - http://www.musiciansregistry.com > >> Singer/Song Writer Directory - http://singer-songwriter.com > >> > >> Every little bit counts. After I submitted or linked to my music with > >> the above sites, as well as Amazon.com, the Orchard, and CD Baby, my > >> music started to spread across the internet and search engines like > >> wildfire. > >> > >> For those of you trying to promote your CDs, I highly recommend The > >> Orchard. For $99 these guys will sell your CD on their web site, plus > >> distribute world-wide, both your physical CD and digital downloads. In > >> one month, my new CD was on Amazon, Tower Records, Sam Goody, Best > >> Buy, > >> CD Universe, and many other online stores. Plus they submitted me on > >> All > >> Music Guide (www.allmusic.com), which I think is really cool given I > >> use > >> it to do all my band and genre research. > >> > >> http://www.theorchard.com/index.php > >> > >> In addition to over 50 digital music providers, they supply the > >> following online Retail stores: > >> > >> Amazon.com, CDNow.com, BarnesandNoble.com, Borders.com, > >> Circuitcity.com, > >> Sonicnet.com, Bestbuy.com, CDuniverse.com, SamGoody.com, Yahoo.com, > >> Virginmega.com, Artistdirect.com, Waldenbooks.com, Target.com, > >> HMV.com, > >> TowerRecords.com, FYE.com > >> > >> Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 10:02:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HE15Z07078; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam, Raleigh, NC, USA: Phasmatodea & Subscape Annex Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <8pfTtC.A.CtB.rPa0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two loop-heavy shows that Loopers-D listmembers I and Adrian are doing tonight, and I'm doing next week, in the Research Triangle Park area of NC, USA. obLoop: I use an Akai Headrush (E-1 - now that an E-2 exists I should specify that I suppose) and Boss RC-20, sometimes a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Adrian uses a Line6 DL4. * 17 June 2004 (Thursday) Tonight Steve B & Adrian L perform as Phasmatodea (dual/duel Chapman Stick improvisational duo) at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh as part of 919noisenight#3. Showtime 9pm, cover $4.00 / $3.00 if a member of the 919noise maillist (sign up at door for the markdown). Performers for the evening and their websites: Birds in the Meadow http://www.804noise.org/ Projexorcism http://www.multiultramedia.com/projexorcism.htm Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Bickett Gallery location and directions: http://www.bickettgallery.com/08contact.html * 26 June 2004 (Saturday) Steve plays as one-third of the ambient/industrial improvisational soundscape trio Subscape Annex, as part of the "Solos" event in honor of the American Dance Festival at Ringside a week from this Saturday. Showtime around 11pm, cover probably around $7 (there's us, 2 DJs, one other band that if I knew the name of I'd be happy to mention them, and other performance artists on four floors). Ringside information and directions: http://triangle.citysearch.com/profile/11478710/ thanks, (Steve, [Adrian], Anthony and Rob) Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 10:33:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HEX3H10653; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:33:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040617151226.0308d170@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine In-Reply-To: <200406140905.i5E95YQ08738@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406140905.i5E95YQ08738@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:05 14/06/04, you wrote: >One is..I hit the next loop button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 when >Loop 2 has ended Im using Quantize=Loop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but going >back to Loop 2, the EDP is perfectly upsidedown beatwise. How do have SwitchQuant set? that's the important one for nextlooping, Quantise doesn't have any effect. Suggest you read up about SwitchQuant in the dreaded manual, ..which should get the problem solved. On the other hand, that upsidedown thing sounds like fun. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 10:45:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HEiaE12527; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <87.e85c565.2e0307dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:42:37 EDT Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 6/17/04 1:11:49 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >I dunno Ted, I always thought of you as the Dann Huff of Looping... ;o) >(and Bill Walker is obviously the Ted Nugent of MIDI guitar... :o) Heheheh, if it weren't for the smiley emoticon I'd say you were just being a meanie. I had to look up just who Dann Huff was on the web. Heheheh. I'm still not actually sure -- studio guy, played on maybe 10,000 sessions by all of my least favorite artists I guess. You Brits are ones for subtle humor and I'm just a dumb Yank remember. Heheheh. As for T Nugent, I heard "Cat Scratch Fever" on the radio a few times (a very long time ago) and read enough guitar mag interviews of him to know I'd never be interested in anything else he might ever have to say (or play) ever again. What a moron (in my book at least). Yes, and I'm one probably too just for saying so. Let the "Nuge" flame wars begin. Heheheh. Anywho, I'd rather be the Sonny Sharrock meets Carl Stalling of looping (if I had my way). I should be so lucky . . . or so talented too. Heheheh. As it is, I'm just the putz that I yam. Or is it . . . I am just the yam that I putz? Keep us posted on you next release Steve. I've loved every one of 'em. Cheers, TeddyBob http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 11:46:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HFhNH23101; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040617154146.23950.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Item for Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200406170703.i5H73ji14305@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6_qVNB.A.4mF.Cvb0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have found PrePal to be hilariously inaccurate. Sometimes way too high, other times way too low. But just like Baby Bear, sometimes just right. Anyone else? Stephen Why speculate: http://www.prepal.com/data/Behringer.htm I guess they've been discontinued and replaced by the UB2442FXPRO which sells for $339 Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 12:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HGd1L32645; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ClientAddr: 127.0.0.1 X-Authentication-Warning: bashful.alsonetworks.com: apache set sender to jon@gamutstudio.com using -f Message-ID: <37080.12.106.111.10.1087489663.squirrel@bashful.alsonetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <20040617154146.23950.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200406170703.i5H73ji14305@hemlock.violacea.com> <20040617154146.23950.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Item for Sale From: jon@gamutstudio.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2-1.7.ct MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Also-Networks-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Also-Networks-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, I just noticed it when I was checking on how much to expect out of the Akai Headrush I was getting ready to sell on ebay. Prepal said $158, but recent auctions have ended as high as $325 for them. Incidentally, if anyone is looking for a Headrush, it's up there right now: item number 3730738876. I opted to set the starting bid right about at the Prepal level and see what happens. It's strage to see them going for so much more than what they cost new a few years ago. -Jon > > I have found PrePal to be hilariously inaccurate. Sometimes way too > high, other times way > too low. But just like Baby Bear, sometimes just right. > > Anyone else? > > Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 12:50:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HGnNl01867; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:49:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <002f01c45442$b4685e50$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5HGmph01763 Resent-Message-ID: <8IJHdB.A.zb.0tc0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey What the F**K? How can you possibly compare me to Ted Nugent, or as I like to call him.... El Nugre' , Other than sharing political views and a love of bow hunting, how can you possibly compare what I do stylistically to him? Now, if I only had a little more loop memory, I could do a complete cover of "Wang Dang Poontang Man". Yeehaa! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). >>>Hehehehe. Not one for the scrapbook but he seemed to like it. But, the "arena rock" quip I don't quite get. Is that what i sound like? Gosh.<<< I dunno Ted, I always thought of you as the Dann Huff of Looping... ;o) (and Bill Walker is obviously the Ted Nugent of MIDI guitar... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 13:36:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HHTSr11055; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.35] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:28:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 17:28:58.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[92B58550:01C45490] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y'know Ted, I really have thought of you as kinda being the Sonny Sharrock (or at very least the Pete Cosey) of looping (I have always loved Sharrock's work! and yours too!) So I wonder if that makes Mr. Bill the James Blood Ulmer of looping? Just kidding.... I think Bill, like yourself, have quite unique and original voices on their instruments ( Bill, in fact, is rather chameleon-like in his ability to shift, merge and collide stylistic and textural/tonal devices in his work...pretty amazin') Perhaps we might wanna look at Mr. Nugent as being the Hulk Hogan of guitar playing; a single-dimensional, moronic caricature who has parlayed his own idiocy into a boat-load of money Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 13:44:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HHhO113534; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.2c3e4600.2e033222@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:42:58 EDT Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5HHh7h13460 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max, Message dated 6/17/04 10:29:52 AM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >Bill, in fact, is rather chameleon-like in his ability to >shift, merge and collide stylistic and textural/tonal >devices in his work...pretty amazin' Bill is a guitar "god" (IMOHO). tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 14:03:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HI1qP17389; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <96EFCB22-C029-11D8-B2CA-000393D7CC50@mac.com> <0780D992-C039-11D8-B0F6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: OSX MIDI utility for FCB1010 ? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 18:00:58.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AF47630:01C45495] Resent-Message-ID: <95_1Z.A.kOE.ixd0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there is a java version up there but it doesn't support midi. We haven't been doing much with the java version, but you could probably get it running nicely. fcb1010_sysex_tool is the group name at yahoo groups. Sign on and ask if anyone has run it on a mac yet. Jon > On Jun 17, 2004, at 1:43 AM, John Metzler wrote: > > Does anyone know of a MIDI edit utility for the FCB1010 made for OSX? > > I found the one for PC that a group of OG LD loopers made. It looks > > awesome !!! But I use a Mac, and I would love to have this type of > > control of the foot controller's programing in 10.3.x. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 15:09:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HJ8H629085; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:07:39 EDT Subject: cd review spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Found out there is a review of my cd album RP Collier/Tilting@Windmills in the June issue of The Wire magazine (UK) on page 53. I've been doing art/music for 30 years and this is the first time I've ever gotten glossy mag coverage. Unfortunately, they only provide a url for my mp3.com site which is long dead. Considering the album was done at home with cheap mics and $35 audio editing software, delivered with no packaging or upc, it was very very decent of them to give it a listen and acknowledgement. Maybe there is still hope in the universe. :-) cheers BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 15:22:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HJLU630711; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.20] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:19:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 19:19:57.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[1370B2F0:01C454A0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx for the help, though, I still have not solved it. I have SwitchQuant set to Loop, as of now. Here is an interesting symtom, that may assist. When I end the recording of Loop 2 w/ Record, loop 2 is in perfect alignment. Then, I hit NextLoop to get into Loop 1. It quantizes, waiting for Loop 2 to end, but instead of ending at the end of Loop 2 and switching back into Loop 1, it plays 1/2 of a beat extra of Loop 2, which must actually be the beginning of Loop 2, before switching into Loop 1. So, now Loop 1 is off-beat. ????? Many thanx, dave >From: a k butler >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:28 +0100 > >At 10:05 14/06/04, you wrote: >>One is..I hit the next loop button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 when >>Loop 2 has ended Im using Quantize=Loop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but going >>back to Loop 2, the EDP is perfectly upsidedown beatwise. > > >How do have SwitchQuant set? >that's the important one for nextlooping, Quantise doesn't have any effect. > >Suggest you read up about SwitchQuant in the dreaded manual, >..which should get the problem solved. > > > > >On the other hand, that upsidedown thing sounds like fun. > >andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 15:34:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HJXJB32725; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040617154146.23950.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040617154146.23950.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Item for Sale Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:31:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it's an average. If there's been a wild flux in the price it's not going to show up. I find it to be usually a good ballpark most of the time but I also do a search on "completed items" to see what they've gone for recently. Problem with using a straight average is that it doesn't take into account of the shape of the thing auctioned or what extras it might come with. Mark On Jun 17, 2004, at 8:41 AM, S V G wrote: > > I have found PrePal to be hilariously inaccurate. Sometimes way > too high, other times way > too low. But just like Baby Bear, sometimes just right. > > Anyone else? > > Stephen > > > > > > Why speculate: > > http://www.prepal.com/data/Behringer.htm > > I guess they've been discontinued and replaced by the UB2442FXPRO which > sells for $339 > > Mark > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 16:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HK7KH07297; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040617200652.21325.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Headrush status? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37080.12.106.111.10.1087489663.squirrel@bashful.alsonetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a couple of people have mentioned things about the Headrush lately, I'm kind of wondering what's going on with it. It appears that they discontinued the E-1 last year sometime, as they slowly disappeared from the online vendors, then there was a rumor of a new version, a press release about the E-2 appeared on Harmony Central a few months ago, but there was nothing on the Akai website about it at the time and nobody was selling it. Now there's info about this E-2 Headrush on the Akai website, but I can't find anyone selling it. Does anyone know when this thing will actually become available? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 16:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HKCTT08012; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A47E4A1-C09A-11D8-8C0F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Sybari-Trust: e49a5738 d27f880e 84a5bf15 00000104 From: msottilaro Subject: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:11:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Several people emailed me directly about this, so I figured I'd post this for any or all to see... Today I got a message back from Korg/Vox that basically said, "most people seem to be happy with the Tonelab as it is so there's no plans to fix the problem." To recap, the tonelab SE's got a really sweet 8 sec looper that acts very much like an old Digitech PDS8000 along with being a decent amp modeler. The problem is if you're seriously considering this piece of gear, budget for a post EQ as the Tonelab's really got accentuated high end when using the high gain amp models. A $70 DOD rackmout cleared the issue right up, but if you're planning on using this with full range speakers without some sort of high frequency padding, you'll be sad if you've got decent high frequency hearing left. The funny thing is my wife (not knowing what had been going on) commented, "whatever you just did made it sound a lot less harsh." So there you have it. I tried a demo unit at the Guitar Center with a Gibson Les Paul and it seemed to have the same high frequency issue. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 16:18:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HKGCs08586; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040617201544.16600.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A47E4A1-C09A-11D8-8C0F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I take it you can't dial this out with the onboard EQ (tone controls)? Does it have an EQ effect you can add to the chain to help? Greg --- msottilaro wrote: > Several people emailed me directly about this, so I figured I'd post > this for any or all to see... > > Today I got a message back from Korg/Vox that basically said, "most > people seem to be happy with the Tonelab as it is so there's no plans > to fix the problem." To recap, the tonelab SE's got a really sweet 8 > sec looper that acts very much like an old Digitech PDS8000 along with > being a decent amp modeler. The problem is if you're seriously > considering this piece of gear, budget for a post EQ as the Tonelab's > really got accentuated high end when using the high gain amp models. A > $70 DOD rackmout cleared the issue right up, but if you're planning on > using this with full range speakers without some sort of high frequency > padding, you'll be sad if you've got decent high frequency hearing > left. > > The funny thing is my wife (not knowing what had been going on) > commented, "whatever you just did made it sound a lot less harsh." > > So there you have it. I tried a demo unit at the Guitar Center with a > Gibson Les Paul and it seemed to have the same high frequency issue. > > Mark > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 16:27:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HKQDZ10437; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040617201544.16600.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040617201544.16600.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A6A7115-C09C-11D8-8C0F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:25:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, you can to some degree, but then your sounds end up sounding like mud. The *only* EQ it has is your basic amp tone controls. Bass, mid, high and presence. There is no post model EQ like the Pods have. I've heard people going mono have had good luck with a MXR 10 band graphic EQ. I imagine any EQ with the ability to shelf off most of the signal beyond 6 khz would work. I add a touch of bass too, but I would consider that personal taste and not really an issue of the Tonelabs. (both the Tabletop and the SE have this issue I've found) Mark On Jun 17, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Greg House wrote: > Mark, > > I take it you can't dial this out with the onboard EQ (tone controls)? > Does it > have an EQ effect you can add to the chain to help? > > Greg > > > --- msottilaro wrote: >> Several people emailed me directly about this, so I figured I'd post >> this for any or all to see... >> >> Today I got a message back from Korg/Vox that basically said, "most >> people seem to be happy with the Tonelab as it is so there's no plans >> to fix the problem." To recap, the tonelab SE's got a really sweet 8 >> sec looper that acts very much like an old Digitech PDS8000 along with >> being a decent amp modeler. The problem is if you're seriously >> considering this piece of gear, budget for a post EQ as the Tonelab's >> really got accentuated high end when using the high gain amp models. >> A >> $70 DOD rackmout cleared the issue right up, but if you're planning on >> using this with full range speakers without some sort of high >> frequency >> padding, you'll be sad if you've got decent high frequency hearing >> left. >> >> The funny thing is my wife (not knowing what had been going on) >> commented, "whatever you just did made it sound a lot less harsh." >> >> So there you have it. I tried a demo unit at the Guitar Center with a >> Gibson Les Paul and it seemed to have the same high frequency issue. >> >> Mark >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 16:40:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HKcxH13676; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c454c4$97220990$0200a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: EDP Oversampling Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:41:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know what the oversampling rate (?) is on the digital to analog conversion of the EDP? Also, has this changed over the course of the EDP hardware's evolution? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 17:46:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HLiJJ23679; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040617223031.027fc760@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:39:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) In-Reply-To: <200406172018.i5HKID609085@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406172018.i5HKID609085@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 21:18 17/06/04, you wrote: >"most people seem to be happy with the Tonelab as it is so there's no >plans to fix the problem." thank you Korg/Vox I try hard to avoid buying gear from any company with that stupid attitude. The device is designed to be used (optionally) with full range amplification, but as most customers have been using it with a guitar amp they don't care it doesn't work. andy butler ...ps hi Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 17:53:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HLovu24603; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040617224048.027fca70@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:45:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine In-Reply-To: <200406172018.i5HKID609085@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406172018.i5HKID609085@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 21:18 17/06/04, you wrote: >Thanx for the help, though, I still have not solved it. I have SwitchQuant >set to Loop, as of now. Here is an interesting symtom, that may assist. >When I end the recording of Loop 2 w/ Record, loop 2 is in perfect >alignment. Then, I hit NextLoop to get into Loop 1. It quantizes, waiting >for Loop 2 to end, but instead of ending at the end of Loop 2 and >switching back into Loop 1, it plays 1/2 of a beat extra of Loop 2, which >must actually be the beginning of Loop 2, before switching into Loop 1. >So, now Loop 1 is off-beat. ????? Many thanx, dave 8th/cycle is the next setting to look at probably. make sure its the same as the number of MIDI 8th notes in your drum pattern andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 19:35:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HNY2i09825; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:34:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:34:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:33:28 +0000 Message-Id: <061720042333.17892.40D22A47000EC904000045E422007340760301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to disagree with that sentiment a bit, as I spend a bit of time on the Line 6 forums and see a pretty wide variety of complaints. In defense of the manufacturer, there is so much variety in people's tastes, input devices (guitars), output devices (direct recording, full range, PA, guitar amps, heads, speaker configurations, etc., etc.). How on earth the manufacturer can successfully model these analog amplifiers and satisfy even the current customer base is beyond me! And one man's treasure is another's poison. For example, Mark posted that there was a bunch of junk up in the upper frequencies that needed to be shelved out. But there have been long winded discussions on the Line 6 site regarding their POD XT regarding the same thing. Some folks are even getting down and doing spectral analysis and swearing that the 'stuff' in the upper frequencies is what's making the amp models have their 'life' and realism, even though it is typically beyond the guitar spectrum. I don't get into it all that much....once it's gone into technical land, my interest begins to wane. But at the same time, there's folks complaining that the models sound fizzy, brittle, or harsh. Who's right? I think you need to treat these new crop of modellers just like you would treat an amplifier. I'm more of a Fender guy and never was really attracted to Marshall or Vox amps. Doesn't mean that Marshall is stupid because I don't particularly like their sound. Others have done wonders with them. Now that I use a Line 6 Duoverb, I have access to about 16 different amps, or combinations of two at a time. How I tweak them to my ear is my doing. If I was playing a Tonelab, perhaps I wouldn't think there was any change neccessary at all...and I may still not like it. hehe. Regardless, it seems from my experience that the biggest complaints about these modellers are from the high gain patches. Is there something about the experience of hearing a high gain amp breathing through a speaker cab struggling to move that much air that can't really be modelled at this stage of technology? something a bit more visceral? hmmmm.... best, rich www.asopaque.com > At 21:18 17/06/04, you wrote: > >"most people seem to be happy with the Tonelab as it is so there's no > >plans to fix the problem." > > > thank you Korg/Vox > > I try hard to avoid buying gear from any company with that > stupid attitude. > > The device is designed to be used (optionally) with full > range amplification, but as most customers have been > using it with a guitar amp they don't care it doesn't work. > > andy butler > ...ps hi Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 19:48:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5HNlGx11579; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040617200652.21325.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040617200652.21325.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:45:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Headrush status? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >As a couple of people have mentioned things about the Headrush >lately, I'm kind >of wondering what's going on with it. It appears that they >discontinued the E-1 >last year sometime, as they slowly disappeared from the online vendors, then >there was a rumor of a new version, a press release about the E-2 appeared on >Harmony Central a few months ago, but there was nothing on the Akai >website about >it at the time and nobody was selling it. Now there's info about this E-2 >Headrush on the Akai website, but I can't find anyone selling it. Does anyone >know when this thing will actually become available? looks nice though I can't quite see what the difference is between this E-2 and the E-1. I got the E-1 as a stopgap measure and it turns out to be one of my most useful devices as it does just one thing, really simply... /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 21:28:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I1RHT28977; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <061720042333.17892.40D22A47000EC904000045E422007340760301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <061720042333.17892.40D22A47000EC904000045E422007340760301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C9848B9-C0C6-11D8-8C0F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: OT! Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:24:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 17, 2004, at 4:33 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > > Regardless, it seems from my experience that the biggest complaints > about these modelers are from the high gain patches. Is there > something about the experience of hearing a high gain amp breathing > through a speaker cab struggling to move that much air that can't > really be modeled at this stage of technology? something a bit more > visceral? hmmmm.... All I really wanted to say is that I think this is a cool tool for someone who wants an 8 sec looper and a lot of good guitar sounds. You just have to budget in an EQ if you plan on using it through a full range speaker system. You're right in the sense that when a speaker is cranking away at loud volumes the actual material of the cone is surely deforming in subtile ways that no "modeler" is even attempting at this point. I don't think they are at least. That sounds like a *lot* of math. Math is hard! I'm OK without being that accurate in my little world. What I lack in "reality" with amp modeling, I more than make up for in variety and portability. On the other hand I have to say that with the Tonelab (Probably the Pod as well) there really is an issue. My guess is they made this with the 90% of people who will use it in front of an amp in mind. When they put in the "line" output, they didn't spend as much time making sure the output was appropriate for a full range speaker. I haven't done a frequency analysis as you mentioned, but in a sense I did one when I pulled down a graphic EQ fader at 15 khz and it made a BIG difference. It shouldn't. Look at the specs of a popular guitar speaker: http://editweb.iglou.com/eminence/eminence/pages/products02/legend/ leggb12.htm They spec it to 5.5 khz on the high end because after that there is a pretty steep falloff. It's a natural attenuation of high frequencies due to the physics of not being able to move a large mass fast enough. That's why tweeters are small and often even cooled due to the heat they can generate. Guitar amps don't have tweeters because amp cabinet designers figured out a long time ago that the frequency range of an electric guitar didn't extend that far up so a 10" or 12" speaker was fine. A lot of what you're getting rid of is pick attack and string noise/fret noise. With a high gain pre-amp situation, you're going to generate harmonics all over the place, so the cabinet's natural attenuation of high frequencies is crucial for making sure your sound is "warm" and not shrill. That "warmth" is really a lack of fidelity, but in a good way. So Vox is right in saying that most people who've bought their product have not complained.. but I bet most are using it with a guitar cabinet. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 23:19:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I3HRF12908; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c454e2$b1f593e0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040617200652.21325.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Headrush status? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:16:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there are sites selling the E2 now in germany.....and it is on akai;s japanese site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Headrush status? > As a couple of people have mentioned things about the Headrush lately, I'm kind > of wondering what's going on with it. It appears that they discontinued the E-1 > last year sometime, as they slowly disappeared from the online vendors, then > there was a rumor of a new version, a press release about the E-2 appeared on > Harmony Central a few months ago, but there was nothing on the Akai website about > it at the time and nobody was selling it. Now there's info about this E-2 > Headrush on the Akai website, but I can't find anyone selling it. Does anyone > know when this thing will actually become available? > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 23:52:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I3liZ16231; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:47:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c454e7$1ba6a0a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <007401c45248$d4164a10$6401a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:48:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C454C5.93ED27E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.254.222] at Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:44:56 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C454C5.93ED27E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism VideoI just want to recommend the = music and mini-video's in Krispen's Zone (link below). Fun stuff! :-) David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video For those of you who enjoyed the previous two microorganism videos I = shared, both of which were choreographed with looped music, I have = another horrific and disgusting creature to add to the list, with even = more interesting video effects. See the last video, "The Probe," at this = page: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/videos.htm = I was able to synchronize some of the video effects with my looped = guitar piece, which in this case is a very minimalistic intro of a = longer song from my CD, using the acoustic guitar, delay, reverb, and = the Boomerang. I wish I could share the 60MB version with you. The = music quality and video resolution are much better. I probably won't share anymore with the group until I have a whole = DVD's worth of videos to ship to those who are interested (no = charge)..later this summer after I collect more specimens. Send me a = note if you are interested, and I'll put you on the list. I can probably = handle sending 20 or so. Regards,=20 Krispen Hartung=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C454C5.93ED27E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yet Another Loop Music Microorganism Video
I just want to recommend the music and = mini-video's=20 in Krispen's Zone (link below).  Fun stuff! :-)
 
David Kirkdorffer
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 = 3:50 PM
Subject: Yet Another Loop Music = Microorganism Video

For those of you who enjoyed the = previous two=20 microorganism videos I shared, both of which were choreographed with = looped=20 music, I have another horrific and disgusting creature to add to the = list,=20 with even more interesting video effects. See the last video, "The = Probe," at=20 this page:

http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/vide= os.htm=20

I was able to synchronize some of the = video=20 effects with my looped guitar piece, which in this case is a very = minimalistic=20 intro of a longer song  from my CD, using the acoustic guitar, = delay,=20 reverb, and the Boomerang.  I wish I could share the 60MB version = with=20 you. The music quality and video resolution are much = better.

I probably won=92t share anymore with = the group=20 until I have a whole DVD's worth of videos to ship to those who are = interested=20 (no charge)=85.later this summer after I collect more specimens.  = Send me a=20 note if you are interested, and I'll put you on the list. I can = probably=20 handle sending 20 or so.

Regards,

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com =

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C454C5.93ED27E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 17 23:52:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I3lbJ16224; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:39:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 03:39:20.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[D71F4050:01C454E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I tried it, but still no avail. The drum patterns are all 2 measures of 4 beats each. I have tried the EDP at 2,4,8, and 16 eighths. thanx, dave >From: a k butler >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:45:40 +0100 > >At 21:18 17/06/04, you wrote: >>Thanx for the help, though, I still have not solved it. I have SwitchQuant >>set to Loop, as of now. Here is an interesting symtom, that may assist. >>When I end the recording of Loop 2 w/ Record, loop 2 is in perfect >>alignment. Then, I hit NextLoop to get into Loop 1. It quantizes, waiting >>for Loop 2 to end, but instead of ending at the end of Loop 2 and >>switching back into Loop 1, it plays 1/2 of a beat extra of Loop 2, which >>must actually be the beginning of Loop 2, before switching into Loop 1. >>So, now Loop 1 is off-beat. ????? Many thanx, dave > >8th/cycle is the next setting to look at probably. > >make sure its the same as the number of MIDI 8th notes in your drum pattern > >andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 00:17:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I4GoH20911; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c454eb$08bb31f0$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:16:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ok, I tried it, but still no avail. The drum patterns are all 2 measures of > 4 beats each. I have tried the EDP at 2,4,8, and 16 eighths. thanx, dave What happens to the light that lights on the 1 after you change loops? Does it fall at the beginning of the loop? You're just doing a short-press on the next loop button, right? - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 00:46:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I4ilR24514; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:44:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5I4iNh24450 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Disclaimer: I realize that irony is a tough thing to convey via the printed word, so in these politically charged times, let me go on record as saying, I neither share The Nuge's political views, nor his love of bow hunting. But I would'nt mind pretending I'm his pal if it got me a Birdland! I bet he does'nt even loop, the weeny.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Hey What the F**K? How can you possibly compare me to Ted Nugent, or as I like to call him.... El Nugre' , Other than sharing political views and a love of bow hunting, how can you possibly compare what I do stylistically to him? Now, if I only had a little more loop memory, I could do a complete cover of "Wang Dang Poontang Man". Yeehaa! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). >>>Hehehehe. Not one for the scrapbook but he seemed to like it. But, the "arena rock" quip I don't quite get. Is that what i sound like? Gosh.<<< I dunno Ted, I always thought of you as the Dann Huff of Looping... ;o) (and Bill Walker is obviously the Ted Nugent of MIDI guitar... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 01:44:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I5gNP01110; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.20] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:39:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 05:39:59.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[B19A6470:01C454F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Im all packed up at the moment, but when I get back I will check and let you know. Many thanx, dave >From: "David J. Grossman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum >machine >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:16:29 -0700 > > > Ok, I tried it, but still no avail. The drum patterns are all 2 measures >of > > 4 beats each. I have tried the EDP at 2,4,8, and 16 eighths. thanx, dave > >What happens to the light that lights on the 1 after you change loops? Does >it fall at the beginning of the loop? > >You're just doing a short-press on the next loop button, right? > >- Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 04:09:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5I88Wh25266; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 04:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 04:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040618011324.047fb9c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:15:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dave- I can help you with this, I know exactly what the problem is. Unfortunately I don't have time to write it up now. I'll get to it this weekend. I just didn't want to see you keep going around in circles... kim At 10:39 PM 6/17/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >Im all packed up at the moment, but when I get back I will check and let >you know. Many thanx, dave > > >>From: "David J. Grossman" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine >>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:16:29 -0700 >> >> > Ok, I tried it, but still no avail. The drum patterns are all 2 measures >>of >> > 4 beats each. I have tried the EDP at 2,4,8, and 16 eighths. thanx, dave >> >>What happens to the light that lights on the 1 after you change loops? Does >>it fall at the beginning of the loop? >> >>You're just doing a short-press on the next loop button, right? >> >>- Dave > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 07:06:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IB5Up21386; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1087556659013930@lycos-europe.com> X-Mailer: LycosMail X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.65] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:04:19 GMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Lycos_0139301087556659_ID" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Lycos_0139301087556659_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by default, my Line 6 Echo Pro only gives a ping-pong effect with the one specific 'model', not with the 'vintage' effects... however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the right i/p and the right o/p into the left i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong delay from ALL of the delay models; repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was sooooo pleased with this:-) ) Does anyone know if it is at all possible to flip the feedback wires around INSIDE the unit (as normal), or is the repeat feedback done in DSP? If so, what is the chance of a software solution or a hack? cheers! Capital One Classic Mastercard 60 second response online. http://mocda.com/1/c/681064/117934/307081/307081 AOL users go here http://mocda.com/1/c/681064/117934/307081/307081 --=_NextPart_Lycos_0139301087556659_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 08:37:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ICaHp01428; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.8] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 12:37:52.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[12868220:01C45531] Resent-Message-ID: <8iMRSB.A.SV.1Gu0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be eternally in your debt. dave >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum >machine >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:15:44 -0700 > >Hi Dave- > >I can help you with this, I know exactly what the problem is. Unfortunately >I don't have time to write it up now. I'll get to it this weekend. I just >didn't want to see you keep going around in circles... > >kim > >At 10:39 PM 6/17/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >>Im all packed up at the moment, but when I get back I will check and let >>you know. Many thanx, dave >> >> >>>From: "David J. Grossman" >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum >>>machine >>>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:16:29 -0700 >>> >>> > Ok, I tried it, but still no avail. The drum patterns are all 2 >>>measures >>>of >>> > 4 beats each. I have tried the EDP at 2,4,8, and 16 eighths. thanx, >>>dave >>> >>>What happens to the light that lights on the 1 after you change loops? >>>Does >>>it fall at the beginning of the loop? >>> >>>You're just doing a short-press on the next loop button, right? >>> >>>- Dave >> > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 09:19:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IDI0x07411; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040618140450.027fd800@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:13:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) In-Reply-To: <200406181237.i5ICbr601739@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406181237.i5ICbr601739@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 13:37 18/06/04, you wrote: >I'm going to disagree with that sentiment a bit, as I spend a bit of time >on the Line 6 forums and see a pretty wide variety of complaints. > >In defense of the manufacturer, there is so much variety in people's >tastes, input devices (guitars), output devices (direct recording, full >range, PA, guitar amps, heads, speaker configurations, etc., etc.). > >How on earth the manufacturer can successfully model these analog >amplifiers and satisfy even the current customer base is beyond me! Know what you mean, ..but Korg/Vox admit it's actually a fault, ..............and they won't fix. Though it's probably only some sort of aliasing problem with their distortion. Maybe it's my fault for coming up against the limitations of gear so often , Mark's happy with his sound now anyway. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 09:19:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IDIIM07459; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:18:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:18:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Get your EDP yet? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45515.61155A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:18:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45515.61155A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry for the oft-asked question. I saw Andy Ewen’s “EDP Release” post on 07-June-2004. I was curious whether anyone received a backordered EDP since that posting, especially any first-time EDP owners. I’m waiting for mine with baited breath. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45515.61155A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry for the oft-asked question.  I saw Andy Ewen’s “EDP Release” post on = 07-June-2004.  I was curious whether anyone = received a backordered EDP since that posting, especially any first-time EDP = owners.  I’m waiting for mine = with baited breath.

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45515.61155A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 10:00:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IDwph13030; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:45:54 +0100 Message-ID: <005601c4553a$948a9230$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C45542.F64EFA30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C45542.F64EFA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 150 were air-freighted to the US last Thursday so they will have landed and probably be in a Gibson warehouse now waiting for despatch to shops/dealers. -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net] Sent: 18 June 2004 14:20 To: Looper's Delight Subject: Get your EDP yet? Sorry for the oft-asked question. I saw Andy Ewen's "EDP Release" post on 07-June-2004. I was curious whether anyone received a backordered EDP since that posting, especially any first-time EDP owners. I'm waiting for mine with baited breath. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C45542.F64EFA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

150 were air-freighted to the = US last Thursday so they will have landed and probably be in a = Gibson warehouse now waiting for despatch to shops/dealers. =

 

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net]
Sent: 18 June = 2004 14:20
To: Looper's Delight
Subject: Get your EDP = yet?

 

Sorry for the = oft-asked question.  I saw Andy = Ewen’s “EDP Release” post on 07-June-2004.  I was curious whether anyone = received a backordered EDP since that posting, especially any first-time EDP = owners.  I’m waiting for mine with = baited breath.

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C45542.F64EFA30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 10:19:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IEHcF17458; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:17:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:17:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C4551D.A1EDB820" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005601c4553a$948a9230$01fea8c0@andy> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:17:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C4551D.A1EDB820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 150 is a small number for a big country. But I understand the problem. I dig the people I work for, but if I didn't get paid. well. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:46 AM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? 150 were air-freighted to the US last Thursday so they will have landed and probably be in a Gibson warehouse now waiting for despatch to shops/dealers. -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net] Sent: 18 June 2004 14:20 To: Looper's Delight Subject: Get your EDP yet? Sorry for the oft-asked question. I saw Andy Ewen's "EDP Release" post on 07-June-2004. I was curious whether anyone received a backordered EDP since that posting, especially any first-time EDP owners. I'm waiting for mine with baited breath. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C4551D.A1EDB820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

150 is a small number for a big country.  But I understand the problem.  I dig the people I work for, but if I didn’t = get paid… well.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, = 2004 9:46 AM
To: 'Looper's = Delight'
Subject: RE: Get your EDP = yet?

 

 

150 were air-freighted to the = US last Thursday so they will have landed and probably be in a Gibson = warehouse now waiting for despatch to shops/dealers.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Zechinato [mailto:LanceZechinato@verizon.net]
Sent: 18 June 2004 14:20
To: Looper's = Delight
Subject: Get your EDP = yet?

 

Sorry for the oft-asked question.  I saw Andy Ewen’s = “EDP Release” post on 07-June-2004.  I was = curious whether anyone received a backordered EDP since that posting, especially = any first-time EDP owners.  = I’m waiting for mine with baited breath.

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C4551D.A1EDB820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 10:58:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IEude22341; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:56:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: <014e01c45544$58ae6de0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1087556659013930@lycos-europe.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the right i/p and the right o/p into the left i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong delay from ALL of the delay models; repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was sooooo pleased with this:-) ) ok...this setup sounds wild, and I'm willing to give it a whirl for shits and giggles. Let me get this straight. XLR input to Echo Pro. Left o/p to right i/p (1/4" jacks). Right o/p into left i/p. How is the audio coming out? Via the XLR output? If the repeats are controlled with the output level control, what do you have the 'repeats' and 'mix' knob doing? Do they come into play at all? How is the 'mix' setting programmed? Does it come into play? Is it set to global, program, or loop? Thanks in advance, Rich www.asopaque.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 11:11:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IF9sA25450; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:09:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:12:30 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Akai Headrush E-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003b01c45546$b078e080$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_e+iiAgt70tWqiUJn78yPhQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_e+iiAgt70tWqiUJn78yPhQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Try this link: http://www.akaipro.com/int/effects/e2.html One new slide switch, active in delay mode, goes from "normal" to "extend" which gets you 35.6 seconds of delay, 17-plus seconds of overdubbable loop. No mention of change in fidelity. Addition of LEDs let you know which mode your in. Another new slide switch lets you choose between fixed and variable levels of looped output when in loop mode. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_e+iiAgt70tWqiUJn78yPhQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Try this link:
One new slide switch, active in delay mode, goes from "normal" to "extend" which gets you 35.6 seconds of delay, 17-plus seconds of overdubbable loop. No mention of change in fidelity. Addition of LEDs let you know which mode your in. Another new slide switch lets you choose between fixed and variable levels of looped output when in loop mode.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
--Boundary_(ID_e+iiAgt70tWqiUJn78yPhQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 12:06:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IG4ZM06562; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:04:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618160407.61664.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040617223031.027fc760@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- a k butler wrote: > At 21:18 17/06/04, you wrote: > >"most people seem to be happy with the Tonelab as it is so there's no > >plans to fix the problem." > > > thank you Korg/Vox > > I try hard to avoid buying gear from any company with that > stupid attitude. > > The device is designed to be used (optionally) with full > range amplification, but as most customers have been > using it with a guitar amp they don't care it doesn't work. Why would someone use an amp SIMULATOR into an amp? Makes no sense. If you want an efx box, you can get an efx box cheaper then a full blown amp simulator. Why would you cripple an amp simulator by making it's simulation unrealistic? Bizarre. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 12:16:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IGE4M09123; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618161243.70438.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Headrush status? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >As a couple of people have mentioned things about the Headrush > >lately, I'm kind > >of wondering what's going on with it. It appears that they > >discontinued the E-1 > >last year sometime, as they slowly disappeared from the online vendors, then > >there was a rumor of a new version, a press release about the E-2 appeared on > >Harmony Central a few months ago, but there was nothing on the Akai > >website about > >it at the time and nobody was selling it. Now there's info about this E-2 > >Headrush on the Akai website, but I can't find anyone selling it. Does anyone > >know when this thing will actually become available? > > looks nice though I can't quite see what the difference is between > this E-2 and the E-1. Yeah, it would help if they had ANY tangible info about the thing on their website... Akai seems pretty lame about getting info out. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 12:19:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IGJ0i10470; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:19:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <061720042333.17892.40D22A47000EC904000045E422007340760301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > I think you need to treat these new crop of modellers just like you would treat > an amplifier. I'm more of a Fender guy and never was really attracted to > Marshall or Vox amps. Doesn't mean that Marshall is stupid because I don't > particularly like their sound. Others have done wonders with them. OTOH, if the thing claims to model an amp, shouldn't it sound like what it claims to model? My Marshall doesn't have a bunch of fizzy high end noise. A model of one shouldn't either. That's the point of the modelling thing, isn't it? > Regardless, it seems from my experience that the biggest complaints about these > modellers are from the high gain patches. Is there something about the > experience of hearing a high gain amp breathing through a speaker cab > struggling to move that much air that can't really be modelled at this stage of > technology? something a bit more visceral? hmmmm.... I think that's part of it. I have a Yamaha DG Stomp and the best I've ever heard it sound was when I was playing it through a loud PA. To my ear, it's just ok when it comes to recording, but when it was pumping in a floor monitor (like having a real amp next to me) it took on a life I'd not heard before. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 12:27:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IGPEj12052; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:25:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618162421.66509.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Akai Headrush E-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003b01c45546$b078e080$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9cu0rC.A.Z5C.2cx0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Another new slide switch lets you choose between fixed and variable levels > of looped output when in loop mode. Huh? Does that mean they provide some kind of feedback control? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 13:20:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IHI8K22979; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:16:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hoo boy, do I feel like a jerk. ... but I'd feel like more of a jerk if I didn't apologies. Last night I got my gear back together in my studio after my gig on Monday, and I noticed a volume drop and kind of odd low level distortion that I couldn't quite place. Sounded like it does when my Steinberger's battery is dying, but I just put in a fresh expensive battery a week ago... the day I bought the Vox Tonelab. O' oh. Can you see where this is going? I took out the battery and low and behold, my tongue told me that it was nearly dead. What? Huh. They usually last a lot longer that that... unless... I went to get it's sister still in the blister pack. Dead as well. Never used. Still well within the expiration, but clearly not a good battery. I ran out and got another pack of batteries (tested in the car to make sure) and low and behold: The volume doubled and I had a crisp clear output as I usually do. I kicked off the EQ'd I'd been using and of course my patches sounded brittle and way bright... but not bright in that ugly distorted way I'd been complaining about. A half an hour of tweaking and I had a few banks of great sounding patches... sans post EQ. Lesson? Lick your 9 volts before you install them I guess. The Tonelab was putting out garbage because my guitar was sending it garbage. I haven't had a huge amount of time to spend with it since the battery change, but this morning it sounded glorious to my ears. I was quick to think this was an issue with the Tonelab itself because there were a fair amount of posts on the Tonelab list that described the exact same thing, even to the point where the basic EQ pattern was agreed on. Oh well, lesson learned. Check this baby out, I think people will be generally impressed with it as an amp/stompbox modeler and as a looper. On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:11 AM, Greg House wrote: >> > > I think that's part of it. I have a Yamaha DG Stomp and the best I've > ever heard > it sound was when I was playing it through a loud PA. To my ear, it's > just ok > when it comes to recording, but when it was pumping in a floor monitor > (like > having a real amp next to me) it took on a life I'd not heard before. You're probably experiencing a combination of your ears ability to hear bass better at louder volumes coupled with natural acoustic feedback. Hard to do when you're landlord lives below you, but I know what you mean. I can kind of get there using the Sustainiac that's installed in my Steinberger, but it's not quite the same. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 13:21:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IHJRU23204; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1087579110006330@lycos-europe.com> X-Mailer: LycosMail X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.66] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:18:30 GMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Lycos_0063301087579110_ID" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Lycos_0063301087579110_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  ok... to clarify this, yes - i'm not using the jacks for signal in or out, i'm using the xlrs. the jacks are being used as the feedback loop. repeats is set to zero (otherwise it doesn't work), the mix is set to loop. i got here because i realised that this is a "true stereo" processor - the left and right are, essentially, independent delays even when using as a mono effect. rather stupid, really. unless you can get it to go ping and pong. the feedback is NOT as stable as using the repeats control. an, perhaps, the tone is different. if it really can't be done "properly" inside the machine, i would think about adding my own repeats control, taking the signal through a gentle op-amp stage to raise the level and improve the s/n ratio. n ------- Original message -------  From: the toy room   Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700  Subject: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong  >however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the right i/p and the right o/p into the left i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong delay from ALL of the delay models; repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was sooooo pleased with this:-) ) ok...this setup sounds wild, and I'm willing to give it a whirl for shits and giggles. Let me get this straight. XLR input to Echo Pro. Left o/p to right i/p (1/4" jacks). Right o/p into left i/p. How is the audio coming out? Via the XLR output? If the repeats are controlled with the output level control, what do you have the 'repeats' and 'mix' knob doing? Do they come into play at all? How is the 'mix' setting programmed? Does it come into play? Is it set to global, program, or loop? Thanks in advance, Rich www.asopaque.com SIZE does matter - The UK's biggest *Free* Web based mail - 10 MB Free mail.lycos.co.uk --=_NextPart_Lycos_0063301087579110_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 13:24:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IHN8024187; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040618160407.61664.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040618160407.61664.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:21:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Greg House wrote: >> > Why would someone use an amp SIMULATOR into an amp? Makes no sense. If > you want > an efx box, you can get an efx box cheaper then a full blown amp > simulator. Why > would you cripple an amp simulator by making it's simulation > unrealistic? > Bizarre. > It is BIZARRO. I'm not sure why either, but I see that lots of people do it. Probably because a lot of people are afraid to let go of their beloved amp, but long for more options. At least the SE lets you disable the cabinet emulation so you don't double filter your signal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 13:27:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IHPat25404; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:25:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1087579496017852@lycos-europe.com> X-Mailer: LycosMail X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.66] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Akai Headrush E-2 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:24:56 GMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Lycos_0178521087579496_ID" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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oh bloody damn! it's beautiful and i want one!

 

...well, if it works, that is... unlike the E1, of which half sold were fuNked.

 



 

 

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--=_NextPart_Lycos_0178521087579496_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 13:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IHXYR27094; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:33:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE have? Vox is not doing a good job of advertising this feature as I have only heard it mentioned here. Also, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have everything I need. Thanks! On Jun 18, 2004, at 1:16 PM, msottilaro wrote: > Hoo boy, do I feel like a jerk. > > ... but I'd feel like more of a jerk if I didn't apologies. Last > night I got my gear back together in my studio after my gig on Monday, > and I noticed a volume drop and kind of odd low level distortion that > I couldn't quite place. Sounded like it does when my Steinberger's > battery is dying, but I just put in a fresh expensive battery a week > ago... the day I bought the Vox Tonelab. > > O' oh. Can you see where this is going? I took out the battery and > low and behold, my tongue told me that it was nearly dead. What? > Huh. They usually last a lot longer that that... unless... > > I went to get it's sister still in the blister pack. Dead as well. > Never used. Still well within the expiration, but clearly not a good > battery. I ran out and got another pack of batteries (tested in the > car to make sure) and low and behold: The volume doubled and I had a > crisp clear output as I usually do. I kicked off the EQ'd I'd been > using and of course my patches sounded brittle and way bright... but > not bright in that ugly distorted way I'd been complaining about. A > half an hour of tweaking and I had a few banks of great sounding > patches... sans post EQ. > > Lesson? Lick your 9 volts before you install them I guess. The > Tonelab was putting out garbage because my guitar was sending it > garbage. I haven't had a huge amount of time to spend with it since > the battery change, but this morning it sounded glorious to my ears. > I was quick to think this was an issue with the Tonelab itself because > there were a fair amount of posts on the Tonelab list that described > the exact same thing, even to the point where the basic EQ pattern was > agreed on. Oh well, lesson learned. Check this baby out, I think > people will be generally impressed with it as an amp/stompbox modeler > and as a looper. > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:11 AM, Greg House wrote: >>> >> >> I think that's part of it. I have a Yamaha DG Stomp and the best I've >> ever heard >> it sound was when I was playing it through a loud PA. To my ear, it's >> just ok >> when it comes to recording, but when it was pumping in a floor >> monitor (like >> having a real amp next to me) it took on a life I'd not heard before. > > You're probably experiencing a combination of your ears ability to > hear bass better at louder volumes coupled with natural acoustic > feedback. Hard to do when you're landlord lives below you, but I know > what you mean. I can kind of get there using the Sustainiac that's > installed in my Steinberger, but it's not quite the same. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 14:29:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IISBm05366; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:28:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:28:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:27:28 +0000 Message-Id: <061820041827.7678.40D33410000BA24300001DFE22007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE > have? Vox is not doing a good job of advertising this feature as I > have only heard it mentioned here. yes! mark, if you could please grace us with a bit more detail on this, I would appreciate it. Especially those who have direct experience with the PDS-8000, this is a very interesting feature. Could you maybe outline how you might do something on the 8000, and how you would accomplish the same thing on the SE? many thanks. > I would like to get the Tonelab to > record with and then I would like to use it with a real guitar amp and > use just the FX onstage, but I need to be able to adjust things > real-time while on stage. Can this be done with the Tonelab? If it > also has looping it may have everything I need. Thanks! also interesting. the POD XT apparently has a bypass, where you can just use the internal fx stomps and such. as for the question of why the hell anybody would run an amp simulator into an amp....why not? If you amp has an FX return, then you can plug the simulator in there, bypass the amp's preamp circuit, and turn your one trick pony into a boatload of amp possibities. Folks are using really sweet amps like the Fender Hot Rod Deville, utilizing it's power section, and turning it into a Marshall, small Fender Tweed, Mesa Recto, etc. the only reason someone has to go through the front end of the amp is when there is no fx return to be had. The preamp can be somewhat 'nulled' by running the eq as flat as possible. > Lesson? Lick your 9 volts before you install them I guess. hmmm...i read some stuff a while back suggesting that doing that isn't quite as harmless as we've all assumed. Putting a charge, no matter how small, on a big wet muscle close to your brain really doesn't seem like the smartest thing, now does it? not that I haven't done it many, many times! I've just gotten into the habit of throwing them into my guitar tuner and hitting the 'battery check' button. best, rich www.asopaque.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 15:14:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IJDPV12454; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:13:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:13:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:13:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8560287A-C15B-11D8-AC43-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At long last, I think I've experienced one crash too many with my live Repeater set up. I thought at first it was just my Repeater, but I've been using 2 of them for a while, borrowing the second from different sources. I've used 4 Repeaters over the course of the last couple years, and experienced similar crashes on 3 of them. Also, while I was touring last month, we had a few shows with the Legendary Pink Dots (still great by the way). Their keyboardist had a Repeater in his rig but was forced to stop using it on the road due to technical problems (I think he said the a/d converter had conked out?). I'm nervous about continuing to base my schtick on the Repeater so I'm making the switch to Ableton Live. Also, it will be nice not to hear that fluttering, ticking clock behind my music all the time! I've been away for several months and not aware of what subjects have come up on the list. So, I'll give the archives a good peruse (thank you, thank you again for this incredible resource) But, to speed me along, I'd like to ask those of you who are frequently using Live in a performance situation: which audio interface are you using with your computer? Thanks very much, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 15:16:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IJ7hk11702; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1087579507.40d325737a8f2@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:25:07 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? References: <005601c4553a$948a9230$01fea8c0@andy> In-Reply-To: <005601c4553a$948a9230$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: <8RedfB.A.q0C.p0z0AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Andy Ewen : > 150 were air-freighted to the US last Thursday so they will have landed > and probably be in a Gibson warehouse now waiting for despatch to > shops/dealers. I talked to a guy from Gibson who said they would still need to be Quality Assurance tested. If they have to do that to 150 units, there's no telling when they will actually ship. If Gibson holds true to their previous committment to this product, it could be months before we actually see these things. :( Musician's Friend has already bumped the ship date to July 26th. To tell you the truth, I don't even expect to get mine anymore. If only 150 were shipped to the US, it's completely possible that Musician's Friend will not have enough to fulfill the backorders that have probably piled up from before I even ordered mine. Especially since they cancelled my order a few weeks ago even though I told them not to. I may be at the end of the queue now. All because Gibson lied to them about ship dates. I wonder if that was just incompetance or deliberate fraud aimed at getting more people to buy to get more units on back-order. Gibson is a four-letter word to me now. They have strung me along for too long when I have had numerous opportunities to buy used units but didn't because that ship date was always just 2 weeks away. I will never even consider a buying another Gibson product as long as I live. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 15:42:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IJaHt15770; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618193526.27585.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: HsAcNoStEtN live (sort of) on local (i.c., ia) Public access tv To: loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1993965316-1087587326=:26284" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1993965316-1087587326=:26284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just a quick FYI: back in March I video-taped an experiment of my playing some live loop stuff (guitar oriented) in my studio, just to see how it would sound/look, a few days later looked at the material (it was 13 min long before my son came in w/ "emergency"),& i thought it looked/sounded ok, so then i did a 2nd experiment w/ a little different set-up (1st setup was w/ my 12 sec delay on my DOD D12, 2nd setup was 2 sec delay from Digitech RP100 feeding 6 sec sampler mode in DOD D12 for more rhythmic stuff)...well, then project sat, sat sat, finally attended local (Iowa City, IA) public access meeting to become producer, finally a few weeks ago, I shot some intro/ending bits and edited the video at home (for the more "Wayne's World" look) and submitted the roughly 30 min video. It will begin playing this monday (June 21) on local public access tv. It's other time is the following sunday, and the time they've slotted me in for is like 11am, not what I'd call the best time for loop-based guitar experiments, but I won't complain since i'm new at this....oh well, thought i'd share my little bit of getting loop-based music out in the world....s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1993965316-1087587326=:26284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
just a quick FYI: back in March I video-taped an experiment of my playing some live loop
stuff (guitar oriented)  in my studio, just to see how it would sound/look, a few days later
looked at the material (it was 13 min long before my son came in w/ "emergency"),& i thought it looked/sounded ok, so  then i did a 2nd experiment w/ a little different set-up (1st setup was w/ my 12 sec delay on my DOD D12, 2nd setup was 2 sec delay from Digitech RP100 feeding 6 sec sampler mode in DOD D12 for more rhythmic stuff)...well, then project sat, sat sat, finally attended local (Iowa City, IA) public access meeting to become producer, finally a few weeks ago, I shot some intro/ending bits and edited the video at home (for the more "Wayne's World" look) and submitted the roughly 30 min video. It will begin playing this monday (June 21) on local public access tv. It's other time is the following sunday, and the time they've slotted me in for is like 11am, not what I'd call the best time for loop-based guitar experiments, but I  won't complain since i'm new at this....oh well, thought i'd share my little bit of getting loop-based music out in the world....s----

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New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1993965316-1087587326=:26284-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 15:50:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IJmfs18224; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406181948.i5IJmQno029507@ns2.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:48:27 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, does this mean the hunting trip is off, Bill? Mark > Disclaimer: > > I realize that irony is a tough thing to convey via the printed word, so in these politically charged times, let me go on record as saying, I neither share The Nuge's political views, nor his love of bow hunting. But I would'nt mind pretending I'm his pal if it got me a Birdland! I bet he does'nt even loop, the weeny.. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 16:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IKRhF27498; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:27:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:27:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:26:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5IKRFh27380 Resent-Message-ID: <5qxn2C.A.DsG.kA10AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: > I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE > have? Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. ;) Here's what it does straight from the manual: 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold the delay sound. [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL pedal, the delay sound will be held from the moment you turn the pedal on. What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some fun effects. > lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you > disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out > double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for > you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. Yes, that's the idea. > Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time to knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change function depending on what your tweaking. > I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like > to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I > need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this > be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have > everything I need. Thanks! That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this badboy. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 16:32:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IKUv128269; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:30:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:30:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <061820041827.7678.40D33410000BA24300001DFE22007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <061820041827.7678.40D33410000BA24300001DFE22007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E9B5227-C166-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:30:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <3FzzWC.A.j4G.xD10AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, it's not effected me at all! Can't you tell I'm perfectly normal? BZZZZZZZZZTT YEEEHA! I don't think you can get enough current going to do any damage. Mark On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:27 AM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > >> Lesson? Lick your 9 volts before you install them I guess. > > hmmm...i read some stuff a while back suggesting that doing that isn't > quite as harmless as we've all assumed. Putting a charge, no matter > how small, on a big wet muscle close to your brain really doesn't seem > like the smartest thing, now does it? not that I haven't done it > many, many times! I've just gotten into the habit of throwing them > into my guitar tuner and hitting the 'battery check' button. > > best, > > rich > www.asopaque.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 16:36:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IKZZJ29850; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <8560287A-C15B-11D8-AC43-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> References: <8560287A-C15B-11D8-AC43-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:34:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Repeater used to crash every once and a while, but I figured it out. It was me. I can't remember exactly what I was doing, but it happened like clockwork if I pressed the wrong button when trying to erase a loop... I think. Now I can't remember. I bet if you search the archives for "Repeater crash" you'll find my post. I guess I don't do it any more because I have not had a single crash in years. Mark On Jun 18, 2004, at 12:13 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > At long last, I think I've experienced one crash too many with my live > Repeater set up. I thought at first it was just my Repeater, but I've > been using 2 of them for a while, borrowing the second from different > sources. I've used 4 Repeaters over the course of the last couple > years, and experienced similar crashes on 3 of them. Also, while I was > touring last month, we had a few shows with the Legendary Pink Dots > (still great by the way). Their keyboardist had a Repeater in his rig > but was forced to stop using it on the road due to technical problems > (I think he said the a/d converter had conked out?). > > I'm nervous about continuing to base my schtick on the Repeater so I'm > making the switch to Ableton Live. Also, it will be nice not to hear > that fluttering, ticking clock behind my music all the time! > > I've been away for several months and not aware of what subjects have > come up on the list. So, I'll give the archives a good peruse (thank > you, thank you again for this incredible resource) But, to speed me > along, I'd like to ask those of you who are frequently using Live in a > performance situation: > > which audio interface are you using with your computer? > > Thanks very much, Zoe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 16:41:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IKdx530492; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: DJ Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:39:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5IKdih30423 Resent-Message-ID: <4UaGO.A.nbH.QM10AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds very cool. Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs delays self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays? That is one of the coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it. I need a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping. I think Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do this. No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind of money for something that is going to break and the replacement part cost almost as much as a new unit. My friend had one and when it broke that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit. When my old memory man broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it. On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote: > On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: > >> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE >> have? > > Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. ;) > Here's what it does straight from the manual: > > 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold > the delay > sound. > [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL > pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > moment you turn the pedal on. > > What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals > where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for > some fun effects. > >> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you >> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out >> double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for >> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. > > Yes, that's the idea. > >> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? > > Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the > expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time to > knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really > simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change > function depending on what your tweaking. > >> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like >> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I >> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this >> be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have >> everything I need. Thanks! > > That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you > may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this > badboy. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 16:54:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IKpkX32029; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c45576$0d935dc0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <003b01c45546$b078e080$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Akai Headrush E-2 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:51:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C45554.864ACF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <0mVNoC.A.K0H.XX10AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C45554.864ACF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a fidelity change that i found when I translated a german = article..... The AKAI Head Rush E2 offers loop Recording, Delay as well as Tape echo = and makes for the creative musician possible a singular, loop-based = presentation of its Koennens. Owing to the versatile characteristics = Head Rush is also under Perkussionisten, saxophonists, sound Tueftlern = etc. much likes. Opposite the predecessor E1 E2 possesses weiterte = possibilities, in order to steer the functions of the equipment via the = foot switches. A new EXTEND mode permits now Recording times of up to = 35.6 seconds. Characteristics 16-bit/44.1kHz digitally Delay - max. 23,8 = sec. Delay time loop Recording - max. 23,8 sec. in the image mode, 11,9 = sec. in the Over Dub mode Extend mode (29.4kHz) - the loop Recording = recording time (max. 35,6 sec. image mode/17,8 sec. Over Dub mode) = extends Tape echo - max. 5,9 sec. echo time, 4 individual echo exits = HEAD GAP - the Delay adjusts time between the Tape Heads HF DAMP - = simulate the sound of a similar Tape Delay FEEDBACK - the Delay controls = ending time RATIO - adjusts the portion of the effect signal to the = "dry" signal real time control of the Delay times, operatings mode, = Overdub and bypass functions INPUT (Jack), impedance 500k ohm or more = highly MIX OUT (Jack), Impedance 1k of ohms or fewer HEAD OUT 1-4 = (Jack), impedance 1k of ohms of size: 140mm x 175mm x 61mm weight: 1150g = operating instructions and power pack in the scope of supply contain = number of evaluations of this product: 0 for more information, visits = you please the Web PAGE to this product. This product was inserted on = Tuesday, 01 June 2004 in our Shop And the original link: http://www.musicplace.ch/shop/product_info.php?products_id=3D21952 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Akai Headrush E-2 Try this link: http://www.akaipro.com/int/effects/e2.html One new slide switch, active in delay mode, goes from "normal" to = "extend" which gets you 35.6 seconds of delay, 17-plus seconds of = overdubbable loop. No mention of change in fidelity. Addition of LEDs = let you know which mode your in. Another new slide switch lets you = choose between fixed and variable levels of looped output when in loop = mode. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C45554.864ACF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a fidelity change that i found = when I=20 translated a german article.....
 
The AKAI Head Rush E2 offers loop Recording, = Delay as=20 well as Tape echo and makes for the creative musician possible a = singular,=20 loop-based presentation of its Koennens. Owing to the versatile = characteristics=20 Head Rush is also under Perkussionisten, saxophonists, sound Tueftlern = etc. much=20 likes. Opposite the predecessor E1 E2 possesses weiterte possibilities, = in order=20 to steer the functions of the equipment via the foot switches. A new = EXTEND mode=20 permits now Recording times of up to 35.6 seconds. Characteristics=20 16-bit/44.1kHz digitally Delay - max. 23,8 sec. Delay time loop = Recording - max.=20 23,8 sec. in the image mode, 11,9 sec. in the Over Dub mode Extend mode=20 (29.4kHz) - the loop Recording recording time (max. 35,6 sec. image = mode/17,8=20 sec. Over Dub mode) extends Tape echo - max. 5,9 sec. echo time, 4 = individual=20 echo exits HEAD GAP - the Delay adjusts time between the Tape Heads HF = DAMP -=20 simulate the sound of a similar Tape Delay FEEDBACK - the Delay controls = ending=20 time RATIO - adjusts the portion of the effect signal to the "dry" = signal real=20 time control of the Delay times, operatings mode, Overdub and bypass = functions=20 INPUT (Jack), impedance 500k ohm or more highly MIX OUT (Jack), = Impedance 1k of=20 ohms or fewer HEAD OUT 1-4 (Jack), impedance 1k of ohms of size: 140mm x = 175mm x=20 61mm weight: 1150g operating instructions and power pack in the scope of = supply=20 contain number of evaluations of this product: 0 for more information, = visits=20 you please the Web PAGE to this product. This product was inserted on = Tuesday,=20 01 June 2004 in our Shop
 
And the original link:
 
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Baldwin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 = 11:12=20 AM
Subject: Akai Headrush = E-2

Try this link:
http://www.akaipro.co= m/int/effects/e2.html
One new slide switch, active in delay = mode, goes from=20 "normal" to "extend" which gets you 35.6 seconds of delay, 17-plus = seconds of=20 overdubbable loop. No mention of change in fidelity. Addition of = LEDs let=20 you know which mode your in. Another new slide switch lets you choose = between=20 fixed and variable levels of looped output when in loop = mode.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /DIV>
 
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C45554.864ACF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 17:31:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ILUYg05626; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:30:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:30:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <8560287A-C15B-11D8-AC43-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> References: <8560287A-C15B-11D8-AC43-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:30:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-18, at 21.13, Zoe Keating wrote: > I'd like to ask those of you who are frequently using Live in a > performance situation: > which audio interface are you using with your computer? > Hi Zoe, I'm using an RME Multiface with Mac Powerbook laptop, IBM PC laptop and Mac G5 studio machine. For the portables I stick a PCMCIA (Cardbus) card into the machines and for the big machine I have the PCI adapter. The Multiface is a break-out box with 16 analogue inputs and outputs, which means 8 stereo channels in/out of your laptop. This opens up for using Ableton Live as an advanced stage mixer (with external midi control if you want), besides looping in the software. Both PCI and PCMCIA are a little bit faster than firewire, which gives less latency if you would like to play your live instrument with software real-time effects. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 17:31:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ILUPC05611; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040618162544.0c24e770@spamarrest.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:29:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Fwd: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reposting this because one of my SMTP servers is being stupid. Apologies if this comes through twice... >This is brilliant! And I'm wondering if those individuals working with >unbalanced signals could do the same by x-connecting the balanced XLR I/O. > >Tell me: have you run into problems with "runaway" echo effects? I could >imagine that if you're not very careful with your gain staging you could >get into trouble; having the echos cascade into a writhing wall of white >noise. That could be a nice effect in itself. However, given some of the >complaints I've seen on the list regarding individuals blowing up the >input stage of their DL-4's with too much signal, I'm always a bit careful >with the levels going into my Echo Pro. (Just in case....) > >More to your original question, though, if you're accomplishing this via >physical connection outside the unit, I don't see why you wouldn't be able >to do the same by physically connecting the jacks inside the unit. You'd >have to have some decent soldering skills -- and it would most likely >render the jacks useless for anything else -- but the only other thing I >can think of would be testing the impedance and possibly inserting a >resistor or capacitor in line to make certain everything matched up. > >Actually, I think I'd probably contact a reliable repair tech. It seems >like an easy mod, but you'd probably best leave it in the hands of someone >who deals with this sort of thing daily. You never know if there are >rattlesnakes waiting that you might miss. That said, my first impression >is still that I think you should be able to make it permanent if you wish. > > -c- > > >At 12:18 PM 6/18/2004, nigel rushbrook wrote: >> ok... to clarify this, yes - i'm not using the jacks for signal in or >> out, i'm using the xlrs. the jacks are being used >>as the feedback loop. repeats is set to zero (otherwise it doesn't work), >>the mix is set to loop. >> >>i got here because i realised that this is a "true stereo" processor - >>the left and right are, essentially, >>independent delays even when using as a mono effect. rather stupid, >>really. unless you can get it to go ping and >>pong. >> >>the feedback is NOT as stable as using the repeats control. an, perhaps, >>the tone is different. >> >>if it really can't be done "properly" inside the machine, i would think >>about adding my own repeats control, >>taking the signal through a gentle op-amp stage to raise the level and >>improve the s/n ratio. >> >>n >> >>------- Original message ------- >>From: the toy room >>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700 >>Subject: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong >> >> >however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the >>right i/p and the right o/p into the left >>i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong >>delay from ALL of the delay models; >>repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was >>sooooo pleased with this:-) ) >> >>ok...this setup sounds wild, and I'm willing to give it a whirl for >>shits and giggles. >> >>Let me get this straight. XLR input to Echo Pro. >>Left o/p to right i/p (1/4" jacks). Right o/p into left i/p. >> >>How is the audio coming out? Via the XLR output? >> >>If the repeats are controlled with the output level control, what do you >>have the 'repeats' and 'mix' knob doing? Do they come into play at all? >> >>How is the 'mix' setting programmed? Does it come into play? Is it set >>to global, program, or loop? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>Rich >>www.asopaque.com >> >>SIZE does matter - The UK's biggest *Free* Web based mail - 10 MB Free >>mail.lycos.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 17:45:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ILiQF08142; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:44:05 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c4557d$61278770$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1087579507.40d325737a8f2@webmail.unpronounceable.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I received the same email from MF with the extension of the backorder, and I called them immediately afterwards. They said they had 50 or so orders for EDPs, so maybe there is hope after all...with their "buying power", as they say. I don't even care anymore. If I get them, great...if not, I'll keep waiting indefinitely. I'm doing just fine with my Rang and RC-20. I did get my foot controller, however...and it's quite lonely and without purpose in life. :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? Quoting Andy Ewen : > 150 were air-freighted to the US last Thursday so they will have > landed and probably be in a Gibson warehouse now waiting for despatch > to shops/dealers. I talked to a guy from Gibson who said they would still need to be Quality Assurance tested. If they have to do that to 150 units, there's no telling when they will actually ship. If Gibson holds true to their previous committment to this product, it could be months before we actually see these things. :( Musician's Friend has already bumped the ship date to July 26th. To tell you the truth, I don't even expect to get mine anymore. If only 150 were shipped to the US, it's completely possible that Musician's Friend will not have enough to fulfill the backorders that have probably piled up from before I even ordered mine. Especially since they cancelled my order a few weeks ago even though I told them not to. I may be at the end of the queue now. All because Gibson lied to them about ship dates. I wonder if that was just incompetance or deliberate fraud aimed at getting more people to buy to get more units on back-order. Gibson is a four-letter word to me now. They have strung me along for too long when I have had numerous opportunities to buy used units but didn't because that ship date was always just 2 weeks away. I will never even consider a buying another Gibson product as long as I live. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 17:56:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5ILsWs10088; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:46:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:45:05 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not necessarily. Sometimes it's just a matter of practicality. Example: 1. Guitarist already has good amp, 2. but buys a Tonelab for recording (home studio at night, kids sleeping ,etc.) 3. Likes the sounds; wants same sounds for gigs. 4. Money is tight, PA is marginal. 5. So guitarist pipes Tonelab into amp (clean channel). -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Greg House wrote: >> > Why would someone use an amp SIMULATOR into an amp? Makes no sense. If > you want > an efx box, you can get an efx box cheaper then a full blown amp > simulator. Why > would you cripple an amp simulator by making it's simulation > unrealistic? > Bizarre. > It is BIZARRO. I'm not sure why either, but I see that lots of people do it. Probably because a lot of people are afraid to let go of their beloved amp, but long for more options. At least the SE lets you disable the cabinet emulation so you don't double filter your signal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 18:09:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IM8xj13738; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1087579507.40d325737a8f2@webmail.unpronounceable.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:08:48 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting David J. Grossman > Gibson is a four-letter word to me now. I didn't mean to open up wounds or anything. Sound frustrating though. Yeah, I was just curious if anyone had received a backordered on this month. First-time owners are gonna be jazzed... like sitting on your own Harley for the first time. I ordered mine from Musician's Friend in late April. In the interim, I've done a lot of research into alternatives. I keep coming back to EDP as the right tool for me. The closest contender was a Repeater on eBay (at a hefty markup). Did more research, decided even with the Repeater's pluses, EDP was still better for me. Though I might buy an RC-20 as a stopgap. Anyway, that's a long way of saying it'll be worth waiting for my EDP. -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Get your EDP yet? Quoting Andy Ewen : > 150 were air-freighted to the US last Thursday so they will have landed > and probably be in a Gibson warehouse now waiting for despatch to > shops/dealers. I talked to a guy from Gibson who said they would still need to be Quality Assurance tested. If they have to do that to 150 units, there's no telling when they will actually ship. If Gibson holds true to their previous committment to this product, it could be months before we actually see these things. :( Musician's Friend has already bumped the ship date to July 26th. To tell you the truth, I don't even expect to get mine anymore. If only 150 were shipped to the US, it's completely possible that Musician's Friend will not have enough to fulfill the backorders that have probably piled up from before I even ordered mine. Especially since they cancelled my order a few weeks ago even though I told them not to. I may be at the end of the queue now. All because Gibson lied to them about ship dates. I wonder if that was just incompetance or deliberate fraud aimed at getting more people to buy to get more units on back-order. Gibson is a four-letter word to me now. They have strung me along for too long when I have had numerous opportunities to buy used units but didn't because that ship date was always just 2 weeks away. I will never even consider a buying another Gibson product as long as I live. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 18:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IM8kJ13700; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618220148.42309.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) To: loopers-delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I can see that scenerio... The problem with it is that every amp simulator I've tried sounded like absolute crap when run through a guitar amp. Some of them sounded decent direct, none sounded good through an amp...even if you turn off the cabinet simulation feature. My DG Stomp, for example, only sounds good through an amp if you turn off the preamp section (the amp simulation), which just leaves you with a handful of efx. I like the efx, so I do that sometimes. Greg --- Lance Zechinato wrote: > Not necessarily. Sometimes it's just a matter of practicality. > Example: > 1. Guitarist already has good amp, > 2. but buys a Tonelab for recording (home studio at night, kids sleeping > ,etc.) > 3. Likes the sounds; wants same sounds for gigs. > 4. Money is tight, PA is marginal. > 5. So guitarist pipes Tonelab into amp (clean channel). > > > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Greg House wrote: > >> > > Why would someone use an amp SIMULATOR into an amp? Makes no sense. If > > you want > > an efx box, you can get an efx box cheaper then a full blown amp > > simulator. Why > > would you cripple an amp simulator by making it's simulation > > unrealistic? > > Bizarre. > > > > It is BIZARRO. I'm not sure why either, but I see that lots of people > do it. Probably because a lot of people are afraid to let go of their > beloved amp, but long for more options. At least the SE lets you > disable the cabinet emulation so you don't double filter your signal. > > Mark > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 18:29:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IMT9817173; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:29:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:29:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:27:51 +0000 Message-Id: <061820042227.10056.40D36C600008DD180000274822007614380301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My DG Stomp, for example, only sounds good through an amp if you turn off the preamp section (the amp simulation), which just leaves you with a handful of efx. I like the efx, so I do that sometimes. haha...exactly my earlier point about how everyone's tastes are different. You use a Yamaha DG stomp, which was, at it's introduction, was considered one of the best sounding 'modellers' out there...more realistic, less processed, etc. but you think it sounds bad! too funny! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 18:33:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IMVcT17826; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1087596699018116@lycos-europe.com> X-Mailer: LycosMail X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.69] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:11:39 GMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Lycos_0181161087596699_ID" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Lycos_0181161087596699_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  yes... it runs away quite appallingly! :-) yes... i'm using the xlrs unbalanced into and out of the mixer i've had the unit open and, listening with my usual piezo earpiece, i can't find the feedback loop - must be in the DSP. :-( i was hoping to find the loop coming through a pair of wires... nigel ------- Original message -------  From: Catilyne   Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:29:03 -0500  Subject: Fwd: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong  Reposting this because one of my SMTP servers is being stupid. Apologies if this comes through twice... >This is brilliant! And I'm wondering if those individuals working with >unbalanced signals could do the same by x-connecting the balanced XLR I/O. > >Tell me: have you run into problems with "runaway" echo effects? I could >imagine that if you're not very careful with your gain staging you could >get into trouble; having the echos cascade into a writhing wall of white >noise. That could be a nice effect in itself. However, given some of the >complaints I've seen on the list regarding individuals blowing up the >input stage of their DL-4's with too much signal, I'm always a bit careful >with the levels going into my Echo Pro. (Just in case....) > >More to your original question, though, if you're accomplishing this via >physical connection outside the unit, I don't see why you wouldn't be able >to do the same by physically connecting the jacks inside the unit. You'd >have to have some decent soldering skills -- and it would most likely >render the jacks useless for anything else -- but the only other thing I >can think of would be testing the impedance and possibly inserting a >resistor or capacitor in line to make certain everything matched up. > >Actually, I think I'd probably contact a reliable repair tech. It seems >like an easy mod, but you'd probably best leave it in the hands of someone >who deals with this sort of thing daily. You never know if there are >rattlesnakes waiting that you might miss. That said, my first impression >is still that I think you should be able to make it permanent if you wish. > > -c- Capital One Classic Mastercard 60 second response online. http://mocda.com/1/c/681064/117934/307081/307081 AOL users go here http://mocda.com/1/c/681064/117934/307081/307081 --=_NextPart_Lycos_0181161087596699_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 18:56:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5IMsmj22557; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040618225334.45724.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab for looping (reply from Vox about high freq issue) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <061820042227.10056.40D36C600008DD180000274822007614380301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > > My DG Stomp, for example, only sounds good through an amp if you turn off the > preamp section (the amp simulation), which just leaves you with a handful of > efx. I like the efx, so I do that sometimes. > > haha...exactly my earlier point about how everyone's tastes are different. You > use a Yamaha DG stomp, which was, at it's introduction, was considered one of > the best sounding 'modellers' out there...more realistic, less processed, etc. > but you think it sounds bad! too funny! No, you misinterpreted my comment. I -like- the sound of the DG Stomp...when used direct into a PA. I don't like it used into a guitar amp (with the preamp section enabled). It's a great live tool, direct to the PA. Lots of presets, everything's available from the box itself (via your feet) without requiring a seperate foot controller. It's compact and versatile. For recording, I can take it or leave it. It's not too bad, but it's not as good as a good amp well miced. I could probably live with tracks I'd recorded with it in a pinch, but I don't record myself much. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 19:21:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5INKT930705; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1087600808000701@lycos-europe.com> X-Mailer: LycosMail X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.76] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:20:08 GMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Lycos_0007011087600808_ID" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Lycos_0007011087600808_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit errr... right... sorry... correction... it's on GLOBAL and the MIX is set fully clockwise. nigel ------- Original message -------  From: Catilyne   Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:29:03 -0500  Subject: Fwd: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong  Reposting this because one of my SMTP servers is being stupid. Apologies if this comes through twice... >This is brilliant! And I'm wondering if those individuals working with >unbalanced signals could do the same by x-connecting the balanced XLR I/O. > >Tell me: have you run into problems with "runaway" echo effects? I could >imagine that if you're not very careful with your gain staging you could >get into trouble; having the echos cascade into a writhing wall of white >noise. That could be a nice effect in itself. However, given some of the >complaints I've seen on the list regarding individuals blowing up the >input stage of their DL-4's with too much signal, I'm always a bit careful >with the levels going into my Echo Pro. (Just in case....) > >More to your original question, though, if you're accomplishing this via >physical connection outside the unit, I don't see why you wouldn't be able >to do the same by physically connecting the jacks inside the unit. You'd >have to have some decent soldering skills -- and it would most likely >render the jacks useless for anything else -- but the only other thing I >can think of would be testing the impedance and possibly inserting a >resistor or capacitor in line to make certain everything matched up. > >Actually, I think I'd probably contact a reliable repair tech. It seems >like an easy mod, but you'd probably best leave it in the hands of someone >who deals with this sort of thing daily. You never know if there are >rattlesnakes waiting that you might miss. That said, my first impression >is still that I think you should be able to make it permanent if you wish. > > -c- > > >At 12:18 PM 6/18/2004, nigel rushbrook wrote: >> ok... to clarify this, yes - i'm not using the jacks for signal in or >> out, i'm using the xlrs. the jacks are being used >>as the feedback loop. repeats is set to zero (otherwise it doesn't work), >>the mix is set to loop. >> >>i got here because i realised that this is a "true stereo" processor - >>the left and right are, essentially, >>independent delays even when using as a mono effect. rather stupid, >>really. unless you can get it to go ping and >>pong. >> >>the feedback is NOT as stable as using the repeats control. an, perhaps, >>the tone is different. >> >>if it really can't be done "properly" inside the machine, i would think >>about adding my own repeats control, >>taking the signal through a gentle op-amp stage to raise the level and >>improve the s/n ratio. >> >>n >> >>------- Original message ------- >>From: the toy room >>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700 >>Subject: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong >> >> >however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the >>right i/p and the right o/p into the left >>i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong >>delay from ALL of the delay models; >>repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was >>sooooo pleased with this:-) ) >> >>ok...this setup sounds wild, and I'm willing to give it a whirl for >>shits and giggles. >> >>Let me get this straight. XLR input to Echo Pro. >>Left o/p to right i/p (1/4" jacks). Right o/p into left i/p. >> >>How is the audio coming out? Via the XLR output? >> >>If the repeats are controlled with the output level control, what do you >>have the 'repeats' and 'mix' knob doing? Do they come into play at all? >> >>How is the 'mix' setting programmed? Does it come into play? Is it set >>to global, program, or loop? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>Rich >>www.asopaque.com >> >>SIZE does matter - The UK's biggest *Free* Web based mail - 10 MB Free >>mail.lycos.co.uk SIZE does matter - The UK's biggest *Free* Web based mail - 10 MB Free mail.lycos.co.uk --=_NextPart_Lycos_0007011087600808_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 19:31:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5INUDd32477; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c4558c$2a81d270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:29:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C45551.7DF35EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C45551.7DF35EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Zoe, I hear what you mean about being afraid of Repeater crashes. I had a = slew of crashes when I first owned it, but I didn't have a single one on = my long tour last summer...........I think Mark Sottilaro might be on to = something. Not to dissuade you from switching to Ableton's live but you should know (and I am really loving using Ableton's) that there is no 1st loop = capability in that machine yet, which means that you cannot just improvize a loop a start overdubbing on it. =20 You have to have a predetermined and prerecorded loop with which to = overdub in real time. If you check the archives, I posted a psuedo fix = for that problem sent to me by Ableton's guy in the U.S., Dave Hill, = Junior which involves using headphones and two different bus outs. I = haven't tried it out yet because I'm not doing live shows until the late = summer again but it makes perfect sense. Also, Andrew Chaikan (aka Kid Beyond), the amazing beatboxing/singer uses a setup where he uses a prerecorded faux hi hat (beat box sound). Since he is doing acapella this works well. He also has really dialed = in his Behringer FCB 1010 midi footpedals so that he does all of his = overdubbing and=20 mute/unmute moves with his feet. He never touched his laptop the whole = show.......pretty damned impressive! But you should be appraised: you will frequently encounter brown = voltages live and there is no doubt about it...............computers crash = occasionally (and with probably as great of regularity as a well working = Repeater. Be careful to have some kind of alternate routing system so that your whole sound = doesn't stop mid-stream in concert. Also, lastly, I've jury rigged a velcro system so that my Repeater is = ALWAYS plugged in and strain reliefed. =20 The Repeater power supply is possibly the worst concieved power supply = in the universe.............I hate it! I haven't looked into it, but = I imagine that you could have someone rewire it for you. Your problems, though, I will bet money are something you are doing = incorrectly (as Mark says), so you might try it. Another idea might be to do a hybrid system with Ableton's and a = Repeater. This is what I plan to do with and EDP and a Repeater in my next live = incarnations. And if this doesn't work for you, you can always get that juicy = $1,000-$1,400 per Repeater that people are paying on Ebay. best of luck, Rick ps I use the M Audio Firewire 410 with a G4 12" laptop running OSX. = It seems to work fine and is has really extensive rerouting capabilities = (extra headphone outs, et. al.) ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C45551.7DF35EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Zoe,
 
I hear what you mean about being afraid of = Repeater=20 crashes.  I had a slew of crashes when I first owned it, but I = didn't have=20 a single one on my long tour last summer...........I think Mark = Sottilaro might=20 be on to something.
 
Not to dissuade you from switching to Ableton's = live but=20 you should know
(and I am really loving using Ableton's) that = there is no=20 1st loop capability
in that machine yet, which means that you cannot = just=20 improvize a loop a
start overdubbing on it.   =
 
You have to have a predetermined and prerecorded = loop with=20 which to overdub in real time.   If you check the archives, I = posted a=20 psuedo fix for that problem sent to me by Ableton's guy in the = U.S.,  Dave=20 Hill, Junior which involves using headphones and two different bus = outs.  I=20 haven't tried it out yet because I'm not doing live shows until the late = summer=20 again but it makes perfect sense.
 
Also, Andrew Chaikan (aka Kid Beyond), the = amazing=20 beatboxing/singer
uses a setup where he uses a prerecorded faux hi = hat (beat=20 box sound).
Since he is doing acapella this works = well.  He also=20 has really dialed in his Behringer FCB 1010 midi footpedals so that he = does all=20 of his overdubbing and
mute/unmute moves with his feet.  He never = touched=20 his laptop the whole show.......pretty damned impressive!
 
But you should be appraised:    = you will=20 frequently encounter brown voltages live
and there is no doubt about = it...............computers=20 crash occasionally (and with probably as great of regularity as a well = working=20 Repeater.   Be careful
to have some kind of alternate routing system so = that your=20 whole sound doesn't stop mid-stream in concert.
 
Also,  lastly,   I've jury rigged = a velcro=20 system so that my Repeater is ALWAYS plugged in and strain = reliefed.  =20
 
The Repeater power supply is possibly the worst = concieved=20 power supply in the universe.............I hate = it!     I=20 haven't looked into it, but I imagine that you could have someone rewire = it for=20 you.
Your problems, though, I will bet money are = something you=20 are doing incorrectly
(as Mark says),  so you might try = it.
 
Another idea might be to do a hybrid system with = Ableton's=20 and a Repeater.
 
This is what I plan to do with and EDP and a = Repeater in=20 my next live incarnations.
 
And if this doesn't work for you,   = you can=20 always get that juicy $1,000-$1,400
per Repeater that people are paying on = Ebay.
 
best of luck,   Rick
 
ps   I use the M Audio Firewire 410 = with a G4=20 12" laptop running OSX.   It seems to work fine and is has = really=20 extensive rerouting capabilities (extra headphone outs, et.=20 al.)    
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C45551.7DF35EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 19:46:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5INjU102307; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:45:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040618122703.0454e718@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:43:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong In-Reply-To: <1087579110006330@lycos-europe.com> References: <1087579110006330@lycos-europe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is brilliant! And I'm wondering if those individuals working with unbalanced signals could do the same by x-connecting the balanced XLR I/O. Tell me: have you run into problems with "runaway" echo effects? I could imagine that if you're not very careful with your gain staging you could get into trouble; having the echos cascade into a writhing wall of white noise. That could be a nice effect in itself. However, given some of the complaints I've seen on the list regarding individuals blowing up the input stage of their DL-4's with too much signal, I'm always a bit careful with the levels going into my Echo Pro. (Just in case....) More to your original question, though, if you're accomplishing this via physical connection outside the unit, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do the same by physically connecting the jacks inside the unit. You'd have to have some decent soldering skills -- and it would most likely render the jacks useless for anything else -- but the only other thing I can think of would be testing the impedance and possibly inserting a resistor or capacitor in line to make certain everything matched up. Actually, I think I'd probably contact a reliable repair tech. It seems like an easy mod, but you'd probably best leave it in the hands of someone who deals with this sort of thing daily. You never know if there are rattlesnakes waiting that you might miss. That said, my first impression is still that I think you should be able to make it permanent if you wish. -c- At 12:18 PM 6/18/2004, nigel rushbrook wrote: > ok... to clarify this, yes - i'm not using the jacks for signal in or > out, i'm using the xlrs. the jacks are being used >as the feedback loop. repeats is set to zero (otherwise it doesn't work), >the mix is set to loop. > >i got here because i realised that this is a "true stereo" processor - the >left and right are, essentially, >independent delays even when using as a mono effect. rather stupid, >really. unless you can get it to go ping and >pong. > >the feedback is NOT as stable as using the repeats control. an, perhaps, >the tone is different. > >if it really can't be done "properly" inside the machine, i would think >about adding my own repeats control, >taking the signal through a gentle op-amp stage to raise the level and >improve the s/n ratio. > >n > >------- Original message ------- >From: the toy room >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700 >Subject: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong > > >however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the >right i/p and the right o/p into the left >i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong >delay from ALL of the delay models; >repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was >sooooo pleased with this:-) ) > >ok...this setup sounds wild, and I'm willing to give it a whirl for >shits and giggles. > >Let me get this straight. XLR input to Echo Pro. >Left o/p to right i/p (1/4" jacks). Right o/p into left i/p. > >How is the audio coming out? Via the XLR output? > >If the repeats are controlled with the output level control, what do you >have the 'repeats' and 'mix' knob doing? Do they come into play at all? > >How is the 'mix' setting programmed? Does it come into play? Is it set >to global, program, or loop? > >Thanks in advance, > >Rich >www.asopaque.com > >SIZE does matter - The UK's biggest *Free* Web based mail - 10 MB Free >mail.lycos.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 21:03:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J12Ro15441; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Delight" To: delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:59:27 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:55:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--74730305091809366" X-CS-IP: 247.4.227.152 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----74730305091809366 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a casino giving away $25 Free when you sign up an account. No credit card required http://secret.cls2.org/iwin.html Whitney ----74730305091809366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 21:20:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J1Ju218782; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <00c901c4558c$2a81d270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00c901c4558c$2a81d270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: msottilaro Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5J1Jih18750 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll look into what I was doing. I just can't think of it when I'm not looking at the unit itself. It was something silly. Mark On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:29 PM, loop.pool wrote: > > Your problems, though, I will bet money are something you are doing > incorrectly > (as Mark says),  so you might try i From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 21:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J1SxM20309; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:28:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1087596699018116@lycos-europe.com> References: <1087596699018116@lycos-europe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <009BE334-C190-11D8-B79A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:28:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 18, 2004, at 5:11 PM, nigel rushbrook wrote: > i've had the unit open and, listening with my usual piezo earpiece, i > can't find the feedback loop - must be in > the DSP. :-( definitely. i think every DSP-based FX unit now uses internal feedback with digital summing. old digital delays are fun to open up. especially the RDS series. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 21:53:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J1r0o23784; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406181948.i5IJmQno029507@ns2.cruzio.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sadly, yes. -----Original Message----- From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 12:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: It keeps going and going . . . almost "Aeternally" (as it were). So, does this mean the hunting trip is off, Bill? Mark > Disclaimer: > > I realize that irony is a tough thing to convey via the printed word, so in these politically charged times, let me go on record as saying, I neither share The Nuge's political views, nor his love of bow hunting. But I would'nt mind pretending I'm his pal if it got me a Birdland! I bet he does'nt even loop, the weeny.. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 23:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J3bXc14735; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c455ae$b56370c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:37:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well. Probably the best delay pedal on the market today...... Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or not...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" To: Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) > That sounds very cool. Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs delays > self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays? That is one of the > coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it. I need > a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping. I think > Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do > this. No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind of > money for something that is going to break and the replacement part > cost almost as much as a new unit. My friend had one and when it broke > that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which > was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit. When my old memory man > broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it. > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote: > > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: > > > >> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE > >> have? > > > > Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. ;) > > Here's what it does straight from the manual: > > > > 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > > If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold > > the delay > > sound. > > [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > > [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > > [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > > [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > > CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL > > pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > > moment you turn the pedal on. > > > > What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > > behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals > > where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for > > some fun effects. > > > >> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you > >> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out > >> double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for > >> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. > > > > Yes, that's the idea. > > > >> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? > > > > Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the > > expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time to > > knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really > > simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change > > function depending on what your tweaking. > > > >> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like > >> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I > >> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this > >> be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have > >> everything I need. Thanks! > > > > That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you > > may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this > > badboy. > > > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 18 23:46:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J3itv16734; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000a01c455ae$b56370c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <000a01c455ae$b56370c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: DJ Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:44:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5J3ijh16691 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does it really? Real self-oscillation? You can change the pitch with the time knob? If that's so then... WOW! I'll have to check that out, as that would make it quite a unit. I could swear I read that I would not self-oscillate, but I could easily be wrong about this. If I keep the pedal board instead of the tonelab then I might have to check this out. Thanks! On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well. Probably the best > delay > pedal on the market today...... > > Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or > not...... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > looping) > > >> That sounds very cool. Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs >> delays >> self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays? That is one of the >> coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it. I >> need >> a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping. I think >> Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do >> this. No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind of >> money for something that is going to break and the replacement part >> cost almost as much as a new unit. My friend had one and when it >> broke >> that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which >> was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit. When my old memory man >> broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it. >> >> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote: >> >>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: >>> >>>> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE >>>> have? >>> >>> Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. >>> ;) >>> Here's what it does straight from the manual: >>> >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 >>> If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold >>> the delay >>> sound. >>> [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. >>> [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. >>> [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. >>> [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the >>> moment you turn the pedal on. >>> >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals >>> where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for >>> some fun effects. >>> >>>> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you >>>> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out >>>> double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for >>>> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. >>> >>> Yes, that's the idea. >>> >>>> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? >>> >>> Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the >>> expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time >>> to >>> knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really >>> simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change >>> function depending on what your tweaking. >>> >>>> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like >>>> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I >>>> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this >>>> be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have >>>> everything I need. Thanks! >>> >>> That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you >>> may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this >>> badboy. >>> >>> Mark >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 00:07:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J46oX22888; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:06:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c455b2$d38ed770$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <000a01c455ae$b56370c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <4MLLL.A.wkF.Mv70AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can get it to oscillate, pitch shift, spit out random crap....But i have a entire board of analog and digital delays that do all that stuff(Ibanez DDL10 tweaked, diigtech PDS20/20 tweaked, PSK analog delay, boss DM-2, Ibanez DE7, and soon a modded DD-3 and PB&J), so I use it as a looper and a special effects/traditional delay pedal. Spend a hour with it if you can, 20 minutes getting used to the sounds, and then start to mess with it with a knowledge of it's limitations(or what you, at that point think the limitations are). It is a very deep pedal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" To: Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) > Does it really? Real self-oscillation? You can change the pitch with > the time knob? If that's so then... WOW! I'll have to check that out, > as that would make it quite a unit. I could swear I read that I would > not self-oscillate, but I could easily be wrong about this. If I keep > the pedal board instead of the tonelab then I might have to check this > out. Thanks! > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well. Probably the best > > delay > > pedal on the market today...... > > > > Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or > > not...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DJ" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > > looping) > > > > > >> That sounds very cool. Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs > >> delays > >> self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays? That is one of the > >> coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it. I > >> need > >> a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping. I think > >> Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do > >> this. No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind of > >> money for something that is going to break and the replacement part > >> cost almost as much as a new unit. My friend had one and when it > >> broke > >> that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which > >> was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit. When my old memory man > >> broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it. > >> > >> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote: > >> > >>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE > >>>> have? > >>> > >>> Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. > >>> ;) > >>> Here's what it does straight from the manual: > >>> > >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > >>> If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold > >>> the delay > >>> sound. > >>> [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > >>> [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > >>> [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > >>> [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL > >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > >>> moment you turn the pedal on. > >>> > >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals > >>> where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for > >>> some fun effects. > >>> > >>>> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you > >>>> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out > >>>> double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for > >>>> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. > >>> > >>> Yes, that's the idea. > >>> > >>>> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? > >>> > >>> Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the > >>> expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time > >>> to > >>> knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really > >>> simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change > >>> function depending on what your tweaking. > >>> > >>>> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like > >>>> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I > >>>> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this > >>>> be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have > >>>> everything I need. Thanks! > >>> > >>> That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you > >>> may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this > >>> badboy. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 00:14:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J4DJB24700; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:13:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:12:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From Mark S. 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold the delay sound. [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL pedal, the delay sound will be held from the moment you turn the pedal on. What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some fun effects. >From Me: Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE, I trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my guitar and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had the desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the units would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer inspection. After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and headphones. Ahhhh...much better. I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the sheer mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get it into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps Mark would confirm whether this is possible. As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most disappointed. The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally digital, glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and more controlled transitions. On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn the time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen' the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close off the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a delay with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest, as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago when I had the chance. Hehe... Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon? Best, Rich www.asopaque.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 02:42:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J6fNx25663; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c455c8$6df9e3d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:41:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, you need a extrenal latching/non-latching switch for it too work I assume. "If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL pedal, the delay sound will be held from the moment you turn the pedal on." Or you have to program the unit to turn it from noraml delay to hold....maybe in a menu? (Though from my exprerence the above indicates a additional control pedal) On the maxon, too much cash for too little IMO. They will be over $600 CDN. I dislike EHX in general. Mostly that is my own TERRIBLE luck with them. Also, I find DMM generally boring. If you are looking at something that basic, I would suggest the DE7 by ibanez(a new one, as they have fixed the switching issue). It is so close to a boss DM-2 it is funny, and the self-oscillation in it is brillant and very analog. It replace the second Boss DM-2 I used to have on my board. Also, the DE7 is one third the price of the others, has 2.6 seconds of delay time, and sounds good to my ears. If you want more functions, a DD-20 is a excellent place to start. the combination of those 2 would be amazing, and only cost as much as a Maxon....... Also, it is nice to see I am not the only one who dislike the DL4 for taht reason. You can spot it a mile away on tracks if they so much as touch the delay time to shift/ocsillate..... Shane > From Me: > > Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE, I > trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my guitar > and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had the > desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the units > would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer inspection. > After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he > could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and > headphones. Ahhhh...much better. > > I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the sheer > mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on > it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get it > into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more > material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > Mark would confirm whether this is possible. > > As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most disappointed. > The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally digital, > glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or > even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little > sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of > reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real > circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, > because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and > more controlled transitions. > > On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very > unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get > with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn the > time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen' > the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this > with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close off > the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. > > Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a delay > with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels > 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and > may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and > limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest, > as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. > > Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago when > I had the chance. Hehe... > > Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon? > > Best, > > Rich > www.asopaque.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 04:23:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5J8MaL17129; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:22:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1087633331014123@lycos-europe.com> X-Mailer: LycosMail X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.75] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:22:11 GMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Lycos_0141231087633331_ID" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Lycos_0141231087633331_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just wanted to point you all towards Ed Alleyn-Johnson, a musician who was making wonderful loop records in the '90s, some of which are still available . he used electric violin and an Ibanez 8-second delay (i think) to make very complete and clear loop music live - somewhere between Bach and Manuel Gottsching. i don't know him at all, but do admire his technique compositions - check out Purple Electric Violin Concerto and Ultraviolet! n Capital One Classic Mastercard 60 second response online. http://mocda.com/1/c/681064/117934/307081/307081 AOL users go here http://mocda.com/1/c/681064/117934/307081/307081 --=_NextPart_Lycos_0141231087633331_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 08:01:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JBxVA30967; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:59:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <001501c455b2$d38ed770$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <20040618161132.64119.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> <3A7EF980-C14B-11D8-80B5-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <944FE48E-C14D-11D8-9C59-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <000a01c455ae$b56370c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <001501c455b2$d38ed770$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0FFA43E7-C1E8-11D8-91F1-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> From: DJ Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:59:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5JBx6h30795 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. Thanks! On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:06 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > I can get it to oscillate, pitch shift, spit out random crap....But i > have a > entire board of analog and digital delays that do all that stuff(Ibanez > DDL10 tweaked, diigtech PDS20/20 tweaked, PSK analog delay, boss DM-2, > Ibanez DE7, and soon a modded DD-3 and PB&J), so I use it as a looper > and a > special effects/traditional delay pedal. > > Spend a hour with it if you can, 20 minutes getting used to the > sounds, and > then start to mess with it with a knowledge of it's limitations(or > what you, > at that point think the limitations are). It is a very deep pedal. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > looping) > > >> Does it really? Real self-oscillation? You can change the pitch with >> the time knob? If that's so then... WOW! I'll have to check that >> out, >> as that would make it quite a unit. I could swear I read that I would >> not self-oscillate, but I could easily be wrong about this. If I keep >> the pedal board instead of the tonelab then I might have to check this >> out. Thanks! >> >> On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: >> >>> the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well. Probably the best >>> delay >>> pedal on the market today...... >>> >>> Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or >>> not...... >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "DJ" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab >>> for >>> looping) >>> >>> >>>> That sounds very cool. Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs >>>> delays >>>> self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays? That is one of >>>> the >>>> coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it. I >>>> need >>>> a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping. I think >>>> Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do >>>> this. No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind >>>> of >>>> money for something that is going to break and the replacement part >>>> cost almost as much as a new unit. My friend had one and when it >>>> broke >>>> that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which >>>> was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit. When my old memory man >>>> broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it. >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE >>>>>> have? >>>>> >>>>> Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. >>>>> ;) >>>>> Here's what it does straight from the manual: >>>>> >>>>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 >>>>> If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to >>>>> hold >>>>> the delay >>>>> sound. >>>>> [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. >>>>> [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. >>>>> [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. >>>>> [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. >>>>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL >>>>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the >>>>> moment you turn the pedal on. >>>>> >>>>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it >>>>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals >>>>> where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes >>>>> for >>>>> some fun effects. >>>>> >>>>>> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let >>>>>> you >>>>>> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp >>>>>> w/out >>>>>> double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible >>>>>> for >>>>>> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx >>>>>> unit. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, that's the idea. >>>>> >>>>>> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you >>>>>> playing? >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the >>>>> expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time >>>>> to >>>>> knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really >>>>> simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that >>>>> change >>>>> function depending on what your tweaking. >>>>> >>>>>> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would >>>>>> like >>>>>> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can >>>>>> this >>>>>> be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have >>>>>> everything I need. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you >>>>> may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this >>>>> badboy. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 08:10:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JC9f500980; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <839222D3-C1E9-11D8-91F1-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:09:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had one of those Moog delays. It was 100% analog but the signal and repeats were clean as a whistle! If you drove it to self-oscillate it would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time knob. You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could control most of the controls with a foot pedal. No tap tempo though, no looping, and very expensive. If I remember correctly I sold it for more than I bought it for. On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as of yet unreleased latest creation. He said he is going to call it the nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper. He told me it's in the works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in bed. He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he will include it. ;0) It could be just the pedal that many folks are looking for. I can't wait until he posts info on his sight. On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote: > From Mark S. > > 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold > the delay > sound. > [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL > pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > moment you turn the pedal on. > > What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where > you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some > fun effects. > > From Me: > > Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE, > I > trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my > guitar > and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had > the > desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the > units > would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer inspection. > After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he > could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and > headphones. Ahhhh...much better. > > I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the sheer > mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on > it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get it > into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more > material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > Mark would confirm whether this is possible. > > As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most disappointed. > The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally > digital, > glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or > even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little > sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of > reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real > circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, > because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and > more controlled transitions. > > On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very > unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get > with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn the > time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen' > the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this > with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close > off > the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. > > Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a delay > with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels > 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and > may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and > limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest, > as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. > > Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago > when > I had the chance. Hehe... > > Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon? > > Best, > > Rich > www.asopaque.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 08:18:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JCGgq04017; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:16:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:16:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c455f7$2ddf79c0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <1087633331014123@lycos-europe.com> Subject: Re: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:15:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the reminder Nigel - I've not listened to Ed in years, but Ultraviolet was almost certainly the first live looping I was ever consciously aware of, and apart from really enjoying the music, I used to try and work out how on earth he was doing all of it live. It certainly had a big influence on me wanting to get into looping, even though I didn't really get to try much of it for a few years after I was listening to Ed... I might just have to go and find both those albums again! cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "nigel rushbrook " To: Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson > just wanted to point you all towards Ed Alleyn-Johnson, a musician who was making wonderful loop records in > the '90s, some of which are still available . > > he used electric violin and an Ibanez 8-second delay (i think) to make very complete and clear loop music live - > somewhere between Bach and Manuel Gottsching. > > i don't know him at all, but do admire his technique compositions - check out Purple Electric Violin Concerto and > Ultraviolet! > > n From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 10:25:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JEOmV24006; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:24:20 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush E-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1087655060" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1087655060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is the Akai E2 available? 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<= /BODY> -------------------------------1087655060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 13:35:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JHZPl22548; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040619173444.42474.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200406182233.i5IMX9x18219@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the same camp as Mark here. I have caused the Repeater to crash in the past. Intuitively I stay away from the type of behavior that caused those crashes. This is how I approach all gear. Find out what it does best and do it. Stay away from the stuff that acts wonky. Kill all expectations. We all have to do this with our computers no? It's been a few years since my Repeater has caused any sort of problem. Though I bet Zoe could make it misbehave :) My Repeater used to crash every once and a while, but I figured it out. It was me. I can't remember exactly what I was doing, but it happened like clockwork if I pressed the wrong button when trying to erase a loop... I think. Now I can't remember. I bet if you search the archives for "Repeater crash" you'll find my post. I guess I don't do it any more because I have not had a single crash in years. Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 14:47:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JIlWn04146; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:47:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c4562d$b9f11c80$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <839222D3-C1E9-11D8-91F1-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:46:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm actually friends with maneco(from another board). One of my friends has a custom nanolooper coming that is a hybird nanolooper/sample. I can't wait to hear it. I had a conversation with him a few days ago, and his future seem very bright. He is a impressive builder. Actually, no, he is the most impressive builder going to date. Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" To: Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) > I had one of those Moog delays. It was 100% analog but the signal and > repeats were clean as a whistle! If you drove it to self-oscillate it > would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog > synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit > driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time knob. > You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could > control most of the controls with a foot pedal. No tap tempo though, > no looping, and very expensive. If I remember correctly I sold it for > more than I bought it for. > > On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as > of yet unreleased latest creation. He said he is going to call it the > nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper. He told me it's in the > works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch > shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in > bed. He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he > will include it. ;0) It could be just the pedal that many folks are > looking for. I can't wait until he posts info on his sight. > > On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote: > > > From Mark S. > > > > 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > > If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold > > the delay > > sound. > > [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > > [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > > [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > > [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > > CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL > > pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > > moment you turn the pedal on. > > > > What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > > behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where > > you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some > > fun effects. > > > > From Me: > > > > Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE, > > I > > trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my > > guitar > > and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had > > the > > desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the > > units > > would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer inspection. > > After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he > > could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and > > headphones. Ahhhh...much better. > > > > I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > > delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the sheer > > mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on > > it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get it > > into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more > > material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > > Mark would confirm whether this is possible. > > > > As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most disappointed. > > The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally > > digital, > > glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or > > even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little > > sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of > > reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real > > circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, > > because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and > > more controlled transitions. > > > > On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very > > unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get > > with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn the > > time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen' > > the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this > > with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close > > off > > the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. > > > > Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a delay > > with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels > > 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and > > may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and > > limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest, > > as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. > > > > Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago > > when > > I had the chance. Hehe... > > > > Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon? > > > > Best, > > > > Rich > > www.asopaque.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 15:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JJ3Tg07260; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000e01c4562d$b9f11c80$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <839222D3-C1E9-11D8-91F1-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <000e01c4562d$b9f11c80$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <47525FBC-C223-11D8-98B3-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:02:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! No I haven't. Is it on his site? Do you have a link? On Jun 19, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > I'm actually friends with maneco(from another board). One of my > friends has > a custom nanolooper coming that is a hybird nanolooper/sample. I > can't wait > to hear it. > > I had a conversation with him a few days ago, and his future seem very > bright. He is a impressive builder. Actually, no, he is the most > impressive builder going to date. > > Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > looping) > > >> I had one of those Moog delays. It was 100% analog but the signal and >> repeats were clean as a whistle! If you drove it to self-oscillate it >> would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog >> synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit >> driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time >> knob. >> You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could >> control most of the controls with a foot pedal. No tap tempo though, >> no looping, and very expensive. If I remember correctly I sold it for >> more than I bought it for. >> >> On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as >> of yet unreleased latest creation. He said he is going to call it the >> nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper. He told me it's in the >> works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch >> shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in >> bed. He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he >> will include it. ;0) It could be just the pedal that many folks are >> looking for. I can't wait until he posts info on his sight. >> >> On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote: >> >>> From Mark S. >>> >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 >>> If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold >>> the delay >>> sound. >>> [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. >>> [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. >>> [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. >>> [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the >>> moment you turn the pedal on. >>> >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals >>> where >>> you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some >>> fun effects. >>> >>> From Me: >>> >>> Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab >>> SE, >>> I >>> trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my >>> guitar >>> and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had >>> the >>> desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the >>> units >>> would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer >>> inspection. >>> After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if >>> he >>> could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and >>> headphones. Ahhhh...much better. >>> >>> I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold >>> delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the >>> sheer >>> mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work >>> on >>> it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get >>> it >>> into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing >>> more >>> material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps >>> Mark would confirm whether this is possible. >>> >>> As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most >>> disappointed. >>> The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally >>> digital, >>> glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 >>> (or >>> even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little >>> sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of >>> reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real >>> circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, >>> because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower >>> and >>> more controlled transitions. >>> >>> On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very >>> unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can >>> get >>> with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn >>> the >>> time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then >>> 'reopen' >>> the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this >>> with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close >>> off >>> the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. >>> >>> Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a >>> delay >>> with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels >>> 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options >>> and >>> may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and >>> limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my >>> interest, >>> as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. >>> >>> Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago >>> when >>> I had the chance. Hehe... >>> >>> Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the >>> Maxon? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Rich >>> www.asopaque.com >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 15:17:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JJHNQ08450; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c45632$09c00830$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <839222D3-C1E9-11D8-91F1-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> <000e01c4562d$b9f11c80$6402a8c0@breakyii> <47525FBC-C223-11D8-98B3-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://fiveways.illogic.net/loopers There is both the hybird custom nano and the filter. ENJOY ALL! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" To: Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) > > Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! > > No I haven't. Is it on his site? Do you have a link? > > On Jun 19, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > I'm actually friends with maneco(from another board). One of my > > friends has > > a custom nanolooper coming that is a hybird nanolooper/sample. I > > can't wait > > to hear it. > > > > I had a conversation with him a few days ago, and his future seem very > > bright. He is a impressive builder. Actually, no, he is the most > > impressive builder going to date. > > > > Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DJ" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:09 AM > > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > > looping) > > > > > >> I had one of those Moog delays. It was 100% analog but the signal and > >> repeats were clean as a whistle! If you drove it to self-oscillate it > >> would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog > >> synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit > >> driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time > >> knob. > >> You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could > >> control most of the controls with a foot pedal. No tap tempo though, > >> no looping, and very expensive. If I remember correctly I sold it for > >> more than I bought it for. > >> > >> On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as > >> of yet unreleased latest creation. He said he is going to call it the > >> nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper. He told me it's in the > >> works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch > >> shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in > >> bed. He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he > >> will include it. ;0) It could be just the pedal that many folks are > >> looking for. I can't wait until he posts info on his sight. > >> > >> On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote: > >> > >>> From Mark S. > >>> > >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > >>> If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold > >>> the delay > >>> sound. > >>> [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > >>> [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > >>> [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > >>> [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL > >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > >>> moment you turn the pedal on. > >>> > >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals > >>> where > >>> you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some > >>> fun effects. > >>> > >>> From Me: > >>> > >>> Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab > >>> SE, > >>> I > >>> trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my > >>> guitar > >>> and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had > >>> the > >>> desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the > >>> units > >>> would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer > >>> inspection. > >>> After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if > >>> he > >>> could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and > >>> headphones. Ahhhh...much better. > >>> > >>> I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > >>> delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the > >>> sheer > >>> mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work > >>> on > >>> it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get > >>> it > >>> into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing > >>> more > >>> material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > >>> Mark would confirm whether this is possible. > >>> > >>> As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most > >>> disappointed. > >>> The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally > >>> digital, > >>> glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 > >>> (or > >>> even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little > >>> sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of > >>> reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real > >>> circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, > >>> because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower > >>> and > >>> more controlled transitions. > >>> > >>> On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very > >>> unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can > >>> get > >>> with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn > >>> the > >>> time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then > >>> 'reopen' > >>> the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this > >>> with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close > >>> off > >>> the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. > >>> > >>> Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a > >>> delay > >>> with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels > >>> 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options > >>> and > >>> may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and > >>> limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my > >>> interest, > >>> as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. > >>> > >>> Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago > >>> when > >>> I had the chance. Hehe... > >>> > >>> Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the > >>> Maxon? > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Rich > >>> www.asopaque.com > >>> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 16:03:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JK2Hp15282; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Envelope-to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <40D4A99B.33867DFB@solarstar.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:01:15 +0100 From: Fabian Wendt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater CFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HE-MXrcvd: no Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody If there's someone out their who can tell me, if their is a CFC that works with Repeater in all functions I woul be really happy. Thank you Fabian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 16:17:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JKG1b17144; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <40D4A99B.33867DFB@solarstar.net> Subject: Re: Repeater CFC Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:20:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2004 20:13:27.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1EB5F00:01C45639] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If there's someone out their who can tell me, if their is a CFC that > works with Repeater in all functions I woul be really happy. The repeater requires a CFC card with a hitachi chipset inside. The only place I know to get one of these for sure is: http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/SSD/CF_Commercial.htm CompactFlash Cards Standard 36X The folks on the repeater list on yahoo groups have tested several of these and got very successful results. You can check out the yahoo list archives for more information if you want. jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 18:48:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5JMl0H10339; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:29:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Fwd: : Decyphering the Grammar of Mind, Music and Math Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1sTNH.A.3gC.aJM1AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this article from today's NY Times very thought provoking and am forwarding it in hopes that you will as well, and that it can stimulate some interesting discussion. Looping and mathematics are of course related, in somewhat different ways than more taditional forms of music making. >Decyphering the Grammar of Mind, Music and Math > >June 19, 2004 > By EDWARD ROTHSTEIN > > >Imagine a locked room in which a person sits alone staring >into space. There is nothing to look at. Nothing to touch >or taste or smell. Most of the world is stripped away. >Except for sounds. > >But these sounds resemble nothing heard before. They lack >all similarity to experience and any reference to >surroundings. Now imagine that those sounds - heard for the >first time - are the sounds of a Beethoven Symphony. Or an >Indian raga. What would that disembodied ear and mind make >of them? How much would be understood? > >In recent decades such a situation would have been >considered artificial, abstract and irrelevant. What kind >of musical understanding can grow out of this kind of >isolation, lacking the resonance of a cultural framework, >lacking the expectations provided by the knowledge of a >style and lacking some sense of historical and political >context? To understand music, we have been taught, that >room has to be unlocked, the windows opened and the world >fully engaged. > >But now the emphasis may be changing. The appeal of a more >abstract way of thinking about music may be growing. There >is a search for timeless laws and principles; it may be >that something can be learned from the listener in the >locked room. > >A new field, for example, sometimes called biomusicology, >is preoccupied with how music affects the brain. What >regions of the brain respond to changes in harmony or >melody? Is there a single region that makes sense of music? >Is there a difference between the way neurons react to >frequency differences in speech (intonation) and frequency >differences in pitch (melody)? In such research the >contingencies of culture and history are often stripped >away. The foundations of musical perception are sought, as >are the biological laws that make music a human universal. > >This change in emphasis may also be contributing to a >renewed interest in the relationship between music and >mathematics. More than 20 years ago when I wrote an article >about the subject for The New York Times and later when I >explored it in a book, I argued that there was more to >musical meaning than was evident in influential political >and programmatic interpretations. For all of music's deep >connections to human experience and social life, music was >also similar to mathematics in important respects, as >ancient philosophical and musical texts insist. > >Harmony and counterpoint, after all, are sonic reflections >of ratio and number. Musical languages seem to possess >their own premises and laws. And a coherent and elegantly >phrased composition can display the beauty and >inevitability of a mathematical proof. Mathematicians and >musicians have long had reciprocal interests. For a time, >though, such musical idealism became something of an >eccentricity. > >But more recently seminars in music and mathematics have >been proliferating at universities. Last fall Oxford >University Press published an anthology, "Music and >Mathematics: From Pythagoras to Fractals." On Thursday >night in Weill Recital Hall, the Siemens Foundation also >presented four recent winners of the Siemens Westinghouse >Competition, a high school science research competition, >playing various instruments. The event featured a >discussion by scientists interested in music, including Dr. >Mark Jude Tramo, the director of the Institute for Music & >Brain Science at Harvard University, who has studied the >neural basis of musical perception for over a decade. > >What sort of picture of musical understanding is taking >shape with this renewed interest? Much of the brain >research is teasingly inconclusive. Every effort to examine >the effects of single musical variables - pitch, meter, >harmony - inadvertently shows just how much more music is >than the sum of its parts. Despite attempts to identify a >particular musical region of the brain, for example, Dr. >Tramo has shown that many regions are active when music is >heard; even motor areas of the brain can become active >though the body might be at rest. > >The relationship between music and language is also >complex. The Russian composer Vissarion Shebalin continued >to write music for a decade after a stroke in 1953 damaged >his speech and language understanding. In one classic >study, brain-damaged patients could identify instruments >and wrong notes but could not recognize melodies. Some >acoustic phenomena - say variations in pitch - are >interpreted differently when heard in music and in speech. >A recent paper on the tone-deaf by researchers who included >Aniruddh D. Patel at the Neurosciences Institute in San >Diego shows that while such individuals may have no trouble >discriminating intonations in speech, they are stymied by >sliding musical imitations of those intonations. > >Sonic events may be experienced differently when they >become part of music. This is where that locked room >becomes so suggestive. We have all been in the position of >that abstract listener, particularly when hearing music of >an alien culture for the first time or hearing new music >that can at first seem like little more than random sounds. > > >But music has a power unique among forms of human >communication: it can teach itself. Gradually over repeated >hearings, without the use of a dictionary or any reference >to the world outside, music shows how it is to be >understood. The listener begins to hear patterns, repeated >motifs and changes in meter and realizes that something is >happening, that sounds have punctuation, that phrases are >being manipulated, transformed and recombined. > >Gradually, the listener gains a form of knowledge without >ever referring to anything outside the music. Sounds create >their own context. They begin to make sense. Similar >processes with varying richness and power take place in all >forms of music, which is why it is much easier to >understand another culture's music than another culture's >language. > >Nothing else is quite like this self-contained, >self-teaching world. Music may be the ultimate >self-revealing code; it can be comprehended in a locked >room. This is one reason that connections with mathematics >are so profound. Though math requires reference to the >world, it too proceeds by noting similarities and >variations in patterns, in contemplating the structure of >abstract systems, in finding the ways its elements are >manipulated, connected and transformed. Mathematics is done >the way music is understood. > >Of course, this does not exhaust music's possibilities. >Open the locked door and meanings proliferate. A >composition is related to others in the same musical style; >it has a place in history; it has an impact on the body and >emotions; it speaks of things outside itself. Its abstract >patterns take on other meanings, just as abstract >mathematical reasoning can find unexpected applications. >Music is a metaphor; the world provides its analogies. > >This means that music can be fully understood only by >maintaining access between the room and world; neither can >be closed off. And in its ability to combine opposing >realms that are both timeless and timely, absolute and >relative, mental and physical, abstract and concrete, music >might become a teacher of more than just sound. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/19/arts/19CONN.html?ex=1088683885&ei=1&en=6ec7344cc1438127 > -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 22:02:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5K21i027118; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:01:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:01:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040619185947.06121100@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:08:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <32R0nC.A.mmG.6_O1AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dave- At 12:19 PM 6/17/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >Thanx for the help, though, I still have not solved it. I have SwitchQuant >set to Loop, as of now. Here is an interesting symtom, that may assist. >When I end the recording of Loop 2 w/ Record, loop 2 is in perfect >alignment. Then, I hit NextLoop to get into Loop 1. It quantizes, waiting >for Loop 2 to end, but instead of ending at the end of Loop 2 and >switching back into Loop 1, it plays 1/2 of a beat extra of Loop 2, which >must actually be the beginning of Loop 2, before switching into Loop 1. >So, now Loop 1 is off-beat. ????? Many thanx, dave > >> >>At 10:05 14/06/04, you wrote: >>>One is..I hit the next loop button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 >>>when Loop 2 has ended Im using Quantize=Loop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but >>>going back to Loop 2, the EDP is perfectly upsidedown beatwise. sorry it took me a long time to reply to this. I think I know what your problem is. We found a problem when using AutoRecord or NextRecord and Sync in. It gives the sort of problems you describe. Fortunately there is an easy alternate method to do the same thing using one of the more advanced functions, called TimeCopy. In fact, TimeCopy is really the better way to do this anyway. Using TimeCopy to create the new loops is much more flexible than using AutoRecord. So instead of using AutoRecord, all you need to do is use the TimeCopy function. When you are using Sync=in and quantize, the two are pretty much the same. Do this: set AutoRecord = off set LoopCopy = ti (time) set RoundMode = rnd (you may want to check the manual to see what this does.) Now, when you switch into a reset loop, you will begin doing a TimeCopy instead of AutoRecord. You will see the time counting off, and multiples counting according to your tempo. You can record audio during this time, and it is really just like using AutoRecord. The only difference comes at the end. To end the loop, press the Insert button (instead of the Record button.) The loop will round off and begin looping. It will then sync to the midi clock correctly. You may want to check the manual and the Looper's Delight echoplex FAQ for more info on Loop TimeCopy. This function makes sure the new loop is based on the same cycle time as the loop you are coming from, but it doesn't copy the audio like SoundCopy. It just copies the time and lets you record new material onto it. Since the first loop is based on the midi clock, you will get a time base from the same clock. This is very much like using the Insert function, and indeed what the echoplex is really doing is "Insert into an new Loop". that's why you end with a press of Insert. (sound copy is similar, except it is multiplying into a new loop.) You can also use TimeCopy without setting the parameter. If you have SwitchQuant on, after you press NextLoop it goes into a waiting period until the loop switches. During that time, press Insert. This will do TimeCopy in the new loop. (similarly, you can press Multiply during that time to do SoundCopy). I prefer this method myself, since it gives me complete control over what happens after the loop switch. If you dig around in the manual, this is all in there. Take a look, there may be more explanation there then what I've written here. I hope this helps. Let me know if there is something that doesn't make sense. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 19 23:23:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5K3MRs11433; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <001501c455b3$9c7bea10$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E96B1C0-C269-11D8-803C-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:26:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First I want to say that you're totally right and I apologize. In my haste at getting a new piece of gear ready before a gig, I admit I didn't go very deep into each effect. I thought I had a patch set up with the hold delay that did what I was talking about... but it was *not* the hold delay effect. It was one of the other delay effects that do sound like the PDS-8000 when you sweep the time. What's more of a bummer is that for some reason you can only assign a tap tempo to the hold delay and you can't even control the delay time with one of the pedals. On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:12 PM, the toy room wrote: > I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the sheer > mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on > it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get it > into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more > material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > Mark would confirm whether this is possible. This you can do for sure. I've got a patch set up where one of the expression pedals controls how much signal you're putting in the delay line. Toe up, 100%. Heel down 0%. > > As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most disappointed. > The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally > digital, > glitchy and useless sounding... Actually, though disappointed, I kind of dig that for weird noisy stuff. > The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest, > as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. So, again I say I'm sorry for the hasty post. While the Tonelab does have some cool delay models, the 8 sec looper, while still cool, doesn't behave like a bunch of it's other delays. How about the Hughs and Kettner Replex? I hear great things about that one. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 20 00:57:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5K4uu529768; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Looper Spotted in San Diego Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:55:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C45648.23FB6AD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRWgtAGJnrarKdwQUKnfZPmw7r2ZA== Message-Id: <20040620045538.OYXM28010.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C45648.23FB6AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all-- I am playing the San Diego County Fair on weekends and had a chance to check out list member Tom Griesgraber using some looping--mostly he just plays Stick (looks like a ten string, also uses a synth pickup and processing of course) but on the last number he constructed a loop--the real cool thing was when he transitioned back to live playing, 'cause he's got that two handed thing going--no one but me knew any better, I'm guessing . . . Tom is there a bunch thru July 5th so go check him out--I, sadly, am not using a looper with my act with which I am performing--but at least I get to play 8^). Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C45648.23FB6AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 all--
I am = playing the San=20 Diego County Fair on weekends and had a chance to check out list member = Tom=20 Griesgraber using some looping--mostly he just plays Stick (looks like a = ten=20 string, also uses a synth pickup and processing of course) but on the = last=20 number he constructed a loop--the real cool thing was when he = transitioned back=20 to live playing, 'cause he's got that two handed thing going--no one but = me knew=20 any better, I'm guessing . . .
Tom is = there a bunch=20 thru July 5th so go check him out--I, sadly, am not using a looper with = my act=20 with which I am performing--but at least I get to play = 8^).
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C45648.23FB6AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 20 01:48:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5K5lfJ08513; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:47:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:47:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D4333C8-C27D-11D8-99E6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: : Decyphering the Grammar of Mind, Music and Math Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:46:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-06-20, at 00.29, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > I found this article from today's NY Times very thought provoking and > am forwarding it in hopes that you will as well, and that it can > stimulate some interesting discussion. Looping and mathematics are of > course related, in somewhat different ways than more taditional forms > of music making. > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/19/arts/19CONN.html? >> ex=1088683885&ei=1&en=6ec7344cc1438127 >> > Very interesting and inspiring. THanks! Just about the perfect breakfast reading over here at this moment :-) As "music can be comprehended in a locked room" every human seems as well to have the built in radar to pick it up by default. I use to think back to the time of my childhood, many years before I "was told about music" or even took an active interest in music. What strikes me is that being only four years old I recognized the same criteria that I still enjoy as parts of "music". I heard "unison lines", "octaves", "fifths", "clusters" and all kinds of stuff that I had to wait two decades to get the names for. So from my own life experience I am pretty sure that music is universal. A funny memory is that some music that was held in great aspect by grown-ups, really hurt my senses at that early age. I never understood why but it just made me feel sick and depressed. Some decades later, now as a grown-up myself, i found myself taking pleasure in some of that "torture music". Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 20 11:40:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5KFdc324887; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: : Decyphering the Grammar of Mind, Music and Math Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D4333C8-C27D-11D8-99E6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:39:14 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw a comedian on (I think) Conan O'Brian. He was talking about his baby and music. He wanted the baby to get exposure to all the music he loved, including Black Sabbath. He said, "You know what? Babies don't like Black Sabbath. It makes them cry. They like 'Where is Thumbkin.' 'Where is Thumbkin' is their 'Freebird'. If you were all babies and I was singing 'Where is Thumbkin', you'd all have your lighters up singing 'Where is thumbkin, where is thumbkin, here I am, here I am...'" This guy is in the process of finishing a book along these lines: http://www.completechords.com/Pages_Pathway_Books/Book_How_Music_REALLY_Work s.htm Unfortunately, he removed the sample chapters for revision. I have the old chapter's 1-4 here at home in PDF. It's hard to describe how good this guy's approach is. Though I could do without his attempts at humor every other sentence. He writes so that non-musicians could understand it, but musicians will get much more out of it. I'm looking forward to the hardcopy publication when he's done. BTW, happy father's day to any dad's out there. :) I'm off to the zoo with my daughter. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: : Decyphering the Grammar of Mind, Music and Math On 2004-06-20, at 00.29, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > I found this article from today's NY Times very thought provoking and > am forwarding it in hopes that you will as well, and that it can > stimulate some interesting discussion. Looping and mathematics are of > course related, in somewhat different ways than more taditional forms > of music making. > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/19/arts/19CONN.html? >> ex=1088683885&ei=1&en=6ec7344cc1438127 >> > Very interesting and inspiring. THanks! Just about the perfect breakfast reading over here at this moment :-) As "music can be comprehended in a locked room" every human seems as well to have the built in radar to pick it up by default. I use to think back to the time of my childhood, many years before I "was told about music" or even took an active interest in music. What strikes me is that being only four years old I recognized the same criteria that I still enjoy as parts of "music". I heard "unison lines", "octaves", "fifths", "clusters" and all kinds of stuff that I had to wait two decades to get the names for. So from my own life experience I am pretty sure that music is universal. A funny memory is that some music that was held in great aspect by grown-ups, really hurt my senses at that early age. I never understood why but it just made me feel sick and depressed. Some decades later, now as a grown-up myself, i found myself taking pleasure in some of that "torture music". Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 20 13:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5KHDlP19574; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <08A1453E-C2DD-11D8-845D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam (Seattle) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:12:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Acoustic guitar Live Looping: Friday, June 25, 8:30PM Starbucks (1600 E. Olive Way) Saturday, June 26, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Saturday, June 26, 9PM KSER 90.7FM Everett (live broadcast) Sunday, June 27, 10:30AM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 00:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5L4iPR30091; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.229.150.20] X-Originating-Email: [sunnydave7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sunnydave7@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:44:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 04:44:03.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[60B2E630:01C4574A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Problem solved!! Thanx so much Kim for helping me with this, it works exactly as you said it would!! Also want to thank David Grossman and Andy Butler for their help, as well. The next gig should be stellar, thanx to this. Anyone who is interested can go to http://davebray.com to hear a few mp3s using this awesome unit. Now I am headed to the donation link. Thanx again, dave bray >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:08:59 -0700 > >Hi Dave- > >At 12:19 PM 6/17/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >>Thanx for the help, though, I still have not solved it. I have SwitchQuant >>set to Loop, as of now. Here is an interesting symtom, that may assist. >>When I end the recording of Loop 2 w/ Record, loop 2 is in perfect >>alignment. Then, I hit NextLoop to get into Loop 1. It quantizes, waiting >>for Loop 2 to end, but instead of ending at the end of Loop 2 and >>switching back into Loop 1, it plays 1/2 of a beat extra of Loop 2, which >>must actually be the beginning of Loop 2, before switching into Loop 1. >>So, now Loop 1 is off-beat. ????? Many thanx, dave >> >>> >>>At 10:05 14/06/04, you wrote: >>>>One is..I hit the next loop button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 >>>>when Loop 2 has ended Im using Quantize=Loop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but >>>>going back to Loop 2, the EDP is perfectly upsidedown beatwise. > >sorry it took me a long time to reply to this. > >I think I know what your problem is. We found a problem when using >AutoRecord or NextRecord and Sync in. It gives the sort of problems you >describe. Fortunately there is an easy alternate method to do the same >thing using one of the more advanced functions, called TimeCopy. In fact, >TimeCopy is really the better way to do this anyway. Using TimeCopy to >create the new loops is much more flexible than using AutoRecord. > >So instead of using AutoRecord, all you need to do is use the TimeCopy >function. When you are using Sync=in and quantize, the two are pretty much >the same. Do this: > >set AutoRecord = off >set LoopCopy = ti (time) >set RoundMode = rnd (you may want to check the manual to see what this >does.) > >Now, when you switch into a reset loop, you will begin doing a TimeCopy >instead of AutoRecord. You will see the time counting off, and multiples >counting according to your tempo. You can record audio during this time, >and it is really just like using AutoRecord. The only difference comes at >the end. To end the loop, press the Insert button (instead of the Record >button.) The loop will round off and begin looping. It will then sync to >the midi clock correctly. > >You may want to check the manual and the Looper's Delight echoplex FAQ for >more info on Loop TimeCopy. This function makes sure the new loop is based >on the same cycle time as the loop you are coming from, but it doesn't copy >the audio like SoundCopy. It just copies the time and lets you record new >material onto it. Since the first loop is based on the midi clock, you will >get a time base from the same clock. This is very much like using the >Insert function, and indeed what the echoplex is really doing is "Insert >into an new Loop". that's why you end with a press of Insert. (sound copy >is similar, except it is multiplying into a new loop.) > >You can also use TimeCopy without setting the parameter. If you have >SwitchQuant on, after you press NextLoop it goes into a waiting period >until the loop switches. During that time, press Insert. This will do >TimeCopy in the new loop. (similarly, you can press Multiply during that >time to do SoundCopy). I prefer this method myself, since it gives me >complete control over what happens after the loop switch. If you dig around >in the manual, this is all in there. Take a look, there may be more >explanation there then what I've written here. > >I hope this helps. Let me know if there is something that doesn't make >sense. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 01:31:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5L5V5D07708; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:31:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040620223450.04a3f9b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:37:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave- I've glad that worked for you. And thanks a lot for the donation! It costs me a lot of money to run Looper's Delight, and it really helps when people can chip in a little bit to support the effort. kim At 09:44 PM 6/20/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >Problem solved!! Thanx so much Kim for helping me with this, it works >exactly as you said it would!! > Now I am headed to the donation link. Thanx again, dave bray ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 01:45:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5L5jOH08838; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:44:51 -0700 Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1D2632B7-C346-11D8-9448-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5L5irh08741 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you think of it it, write me, do. I've spent a lot of time trying to make the crashes happen and thereby deduce my error and have narrowed to 2 events that occasionally are followed by a crash. Now, I've done my share of software debugging and realize that there must be a crucial event that is hidden to me because I can't make the same sequence cause a crash every time. In all cases controlling the Repeater with the FCB1010: 1) Sending a group of functions via one button press. The group containing 1 or 2 PC messages and 1 or 2 CC messages. And, everytime, that group has had RECORD in it. (If I remember. the one that I get to "crash" the most frequently is RECORD + Set Feedback level to 80% + Pan Trk 1&2). If a "successful" crash occurs, the metronome suddenly becomes audible (and really, really, really loud!). 2) Using my midi pedal again to control the Repeater, I hit the MULTIPLY function twice. The tempo of my already existing loop speeds up. I have reprogrammed my FCB1010 to make sure I don't have anything hidden in my patches. I suppose an optimist (or software developer) would say that these instances are really feature enhancements, because I get more functionality than expected! On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 06:19 PM, msottilaro wrote: > I'll look into what I was doing. I just can't think of it when I'm > not looking at the unit itself. It was something silly. > > Mark > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:29 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> >> Your problems, though, I will bet money are something you are doing >> incorrectly >> (as Mark says),  so you might try i > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 03:01:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5L71NX24521; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:01:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1D2632B7-C346-11D8-9448-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> References: <1D2632B7-C346-11D8-9448-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <94C3F5D4-C350-11D8-A2FB-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:59:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5L6xrh23977 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I'v also noticed that sending the Repeater a group of midi messages from the FCB1010 by one button press is actually working a bit by random. It seams as the Repeater behaves differently depending on which order the mid bites do arrive and maybe the FCB send them out in different order depending on which bank was active before you pressed the "multi function button" (just my wild guess here). I like to use the EDP as midi clock master (both for Repeater and for Ableton Live) since I find the EDP rock stable. If everything else crash you can actually make a concert with only the EDP. So, in a way the EDP makes a good "emergency escape" (always running straight into the sound system and never through any other gear, sound card etc) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On Jun 21, 2004, at 7:44 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > If you think of it it, write me, do. > > I've spent a lot of time trying to make the crashes happen and thereby > deduce my error and have narrowed to 2 events that occasionally are > followed by a crash. Now, I've done my share of software debugging and > realize that there must be a crucial event that is hidden to me > because I can't make the same sequence cause a crash every time. > > In all cases controlling the Repeater with the FCB1010: > > 1) Sending a group of functions via one button press. The group > containing 1 or 2 PC messages and 1 or 2 CC messages. And, everytime, > that group has had RECORD in it. (If I remember. the one that I get to > "crash" the most frequently is RECORD + Set Feedback level to 80% + > Pan Trk 1&2). If a "successful" crash occurs, the metronome suddenly > becomes audible (and really, really, really loud!). > > 2) Using my midi pedal again to control the Repeater, I hit the > MULTIPLY function twice. The tempo of my already existing loop speeds > up. > > I have reprogrammed my FCB1010 to make sure I don't have anything > hidden in my patches. > > I suppose an optimist (or software developer) would say that these > instances are really feature enhancements, because I get more > functionality than expected! > > > On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 06:19 PM, msottilaro wrote: > >> I'll look into what I was doing. I just can't think of it when I'm >> not looking at the unit itself. It was something silly. >> >> Mark >> >> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:29 PM, loop.pool wrote: >> >>> >>> Your problems, though, I will bet money are something you are doing >>> incorrectly >>> (as Mark says),  so you might try i >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 06:19:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LAIX928498; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1087812529!603613 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344A9@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:06:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C45777.760B6700" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45777.760B6700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > just wanted to point you all towards Ed Alleyn-Johnson, a musician who was making wonderful loop records in > the '90s, some of which are still available . didn't he used to play in new model army, back in th'80s, like? I knew he'd gone solo but he dropped off my radar... will check these titles out, as I always liked a bit of fiddle.... jean-luc ponty, ric sanders, eddie jobson, david cross...... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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> just wanted to point you all towards Ed Alleyn-Johns= on, a musician who was
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didn't he used to play in new model army, back in th'80s,= like? I knew he'd gone solo but he dropped off my radar... will check thes= e titles out, as I always liked a bit of fiddle.... jean-luc ponty, ric san= ders, eddie jobson, david cross......

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C45777.760B6700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 08:56:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LCu6q08861; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:56:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406211254.i5LCsYh08558@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:54:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4576D.6298F660" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344A9@LON-MAIL07> Thread-Index: AcRXeSNpBf5g4okcRO6hWfa0VFg4VAAFW0Vg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4576D.6298F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes he did Link : http://www.muntfish.com/alleyne-johnson/ _____ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson > just wanted to point you all towards Ed Alleyn-Johnson, a musician who was making wonderful loop records in > the '90s, some of which are still available . didn't he used to play in new model army, back in th'80s, like? I knew he'd gone solo but he dropped off my radar... will check these titles out, as I always liked a bit of fiddle.... jean-luc ponty, ric sanders, eddie jobson, david cross...... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4576D.6298F660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: englishe looper - ed alleyn-johnson
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4576D.6298F660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 11:41:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LFeU903046; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:40:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 15:40:00.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[039C5060:01C457A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey just to add in my experiances with this. I have had a button on my FCB1010 that was supposed to mute all the tracks (assuming that they are all on)I have found that this realry works as the repeater seems to leave some tracks behing lets say it leaves track one on this then creates a problem on the next push where it now changes those that are on , off and those that are off, on. I have kind ofincorporated this as a "randomized track" button because it works so badly. if this discussion continues I may post some of my other bugs to see if anyone has any ideas why they occur. Phill (and his buggy repeater) >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:59:46 +0200 > >Yes, I'v also noticed that sending the Repeater a group of midi messages >from the FCB1010 by one button press is actually working a bit by random. >It seams as the Repeater behaves differently depending on which order the >mid bites do arrive and maybe the FCB send them out in different order >depending on which bank was active before you pressed the "multi function >button" (just my wild guess here). > >I like to use the EDP as midi clock master (both for Repeater and for >Ableton Live) since I find the EDP rock stable. If everything else crash >you can actually make a concert with only the EDP. So, in a way the EDP >makes a good "emergency escape" (always running straight into the sound >system and never through any other gear, sound card etc) > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.boysen.se >http://www.looproom.com > > >On Jun 21, 2004, at 7:44 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > >>If you think of it it, write me, do. >> >>I've spent a lot of time trying to make the crashes happen and thereby >>deduce my error and have narrowed to 2 events that occasionally are >>followed by a crash. Now, I've done my share of software debugging and >>realize that there must be a crucial event that is hidden to me because I >>can't make the same sequence cause a crash every time. >> >>In all cases controlling the Repeater with the FCB1010: >> >>1) Sending a group of functions via one button press. The group containing >>1 or 2 PC messages and 1 or 2 CC messages. And, everytime, that group has >>had RECORD in it. (If I remember. the one that I get to "crash" the most >>frequently is RECORD + Set Feedback level to 80% + Pan Trk 1&2). If a >>"successful" crash occurs, the metronome suddenly becomes audible (and >>really, really, really loud!). >> >>2) Using my midi pedal again to control the Repeater, I hit the MULTIPLY >>function twice. The tempo of my already existing loop speeds up. >> >>I have reprogrammed my FCB1010 to make sure I don't have anything hidden >>in my patches. >> >>I suppose an optimist (or software developer) would say that these >>instances are really feature enhancements, because I get more >>functionality than expected! >> >> >>On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 06:19 PM, msottilaro wrote: >> >>>I'll look into what I was doing. I just can't think of it when I'm not >>>looking at the unit itself. It was something silly. >>> >>>Mark >>> >>>On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:29 PM, loop.pool wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Your problems, though, I will bet money are something you are doing >>>>incorrectly >>>>(as Mark says),  so you might try i >>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 17:58:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LLvLX31273; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:57:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:57:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1D2632B7-C346-11D8-9448-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6ECo6.A.jmH.Mm11AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding the use of Multiply, Care must be taken to hit the multiply function on the down beat of the loop, otherwise you will get unexpected tempo changes. I also stopped using single button presses on My FCB1010 to send more than one message, at a time. In my experience, sending too many midi messages simultaneously is a sure way to tank my RPTR. Also, trying to record after radically changing the tempo will also give you problems. Lastly any digital noise I had was cured by running the rptr in the effects loop of a mixer and engaging the input mute function. All of the noise and latency related garbage was cleaned up by doing this. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live If you think of it it, write me, do. I've spent a lot of time trying to make the crashes happen and thereby deduce my error and have narrowed to 2 events that occasionally are followed by a crash. Now, I've done my share of software debugging and realize that there must be a crucial event that is hidden to me because I can't make the same sequence cause a crash every time. In all cases controlling the Repeater with the FCB1010: 1) Sending a group of functions via one button press. The group containing 1 or 2 PC messages and 1 or 2 CC messages. And, everytime, that group has had RECORD in it. (If I remember. the one that I get to "crash" the most frequently is RECORD + Set Feedback level to 80% + Pan Trk 1&2). If a "successful" crash occurs, the metronome suddenly becomes audible (and really, really, really loud!). 2) Using my midi pedal again to control the Repeater, I hit the MULTIPLY function twice. The tempo of my already existing loop speeds up. I have reprogrammed my FCB1010 to make sure I don't have anything hidden in my patches. I suppose an optimist (or software developer) would say that these instances are really feature enhancements, because I get more functionality than expected! On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 06:19 PM, msottilaro wrote: > I'll look into what I was doing. I just can't think of it when I'm > not looking at the unit itself. It was something silly. > > Mark > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:29 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> >> Your problems, though, I will bet money are something you are doing >> incorrectly >> (as Mark says),  so you might try i > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 18:04:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LM3O000869; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040620223450.04a3f9b8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kim, I realized I have'nt donated any sheckels to you in some time, I'd like to send you a check but if there is a payment method you would more prefer, let me know. What address shall I send it to? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Dave- I've glad that worked for you. And thanks a lot for the donation! It costs me a lot of money to run Looper's Delight, and it really helps when people can chip in a little bit to support the effort. kim At 09:44 PM 6/20/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >Problem solved!! Thanx so much Kim for helping me with this, it works >exactly as you said it would!! > Now I am headed to the donation link. Thanx again, dave bray ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 18:05:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LM4D500909; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:02:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040620223450.04a3f9b8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine Dave- I've glad that worked for you. And thanks a lot for the donation! It costs me a lot of money to run Looper's Delight, and it really helps when people can chip in a little bit to support the effort. kim At 09:44 PM 6/20/2004, Dave Bray wrote: >Problem solved!! Thanx so much Kim for helping me with this, it works >exactly as you said it would!! > Now I am headed to the donation link. Thanx again, dave bray ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 19:13:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5LNBNr09690; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:10:10 -0700 Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <248E641C-C3D8-11D8-B96B-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, I will try the input mute for the noise. Never occurred to me! As always, this list and the people on this list are a wonder. Thank you so much. I hope to return the favor someday. regards, Zoe > loop of a mixer and engaging the input mute function. All of the noise > and > latency related garbage was cleaned up by doing this. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 20:31:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M0U9i21694; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:30:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:30:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040621191239.04e26128@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:20:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live In-Reply-To: References: <1D2632B7-C346-11D8-9448-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:55 PM 6/21/2004, William Walker wrote: >Lastly any digital noise I had was cured by running the rptr in the effects >loop of a mixer and engaging the input mute function. All of the noise and >latency related garbage was cleaned up by doing this. Bill, do you mean that running the Repeater in your effects loop also eliminated the clock noise that occasionally shows up while recording directly to the CFC card? Or do you not even take advantage of that functionality? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 20:49:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M0loP23602; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040621192408.04a24650@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:42:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live In-Reply-To: References: <1D2632B7-C346-11D8-9448-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:55 PM 6/21/2004, William Walker wrote: >In my experience, sending too many midi messages simultaneously is a sure >way to tank my RPTR. Obviously, this thread's gotten me thinking. Has anybody bothered to try a correlation between crashes and the amount of MIDI traffic *not bound for the Repeater, yet still on its MIDI bus* (i.e. different MIDI channel, but still physically connected)? I know that in theory this shouldn't affect the Repeater, but it still takes a bit of overhead for the machine to look at a packet and go, "oh, that one's not for me". If it's experiencing crashes due to MIDI flooding, I'm curious if that extra MIDI 'noise' might exacerbate the problem. Personally, I send a good deal of MIDI data all over the place, but I'm pretty anal about using MIDI patch bays and only routing what needs to be sent to a particular device, although that's always been more about preventing latency. To this point, I've not really had any trouble with crashes. Once I get my rig patched back together, though, I'll try testing... Another variable, perhaps, or just more bits-n-bytes smoke? Anyone care to speculate? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 21:14:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M1D6w28941; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040622011241.53777.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200406212158.i5LLwWD31443@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5GNOMC.A.vDH.Pe41AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe, I know this sounds funny though it's true. I got rid of my FCB1010 and all my problems went away. I just learned how to do it all from the front panel... and of course my trusty 3 button foot switch. This is what I mean when I say "capitalize on what the beast does best and avoid what it doesn't do well". At least part of the blame falls squarely on MIDI and the quest to make one protocol do everything well. MIDI hardly does anything well :) Stephen >>>If you think of it, write me, do. In all cases controlling the Repeater with the FCB1010:....<<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 21:41:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M1ejJ31800; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:40:30 -0700 Subject: Re: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, vsyevolod@yahoo.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040622011241.53777.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2520D894-C3ED-11D8-87E6-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, if only I had more hands... Maybe a different midi pedal is worth trying. I've been wanting to test the big squarish Ground Control pedal. What a can of worms! On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 06:12 PM, S V G wrote: > > Zoe, > > I know this sounds funny though it's true. I got rid of my > FCB1010 and all my problems went > away. I just learned how to do it all from the front panel... and of > course my trusty 3 button > foot switch. This is what I mean when I say "capitalize on what the > beast does best and avoid > what it doesn't do well". At least part of the blame falls squarely > on MIDI and the quest to make > one protocol do everything well. MIDI hardly does anything well :) > > Stephen > > >>>> If you think of it, write me, do. > > In all cases controlling the Repeater with the FCB1010:....<<< > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 21 22:46:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M2isL09569; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Changing the Subject line--was RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:51:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <2520D894-C3ED-11D8-87E6-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Thread-Index: AcRX+j9hm0zhyjNbTGKNul52hBjVHwAAKANQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <8N_6-C.A.BVC.X051AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh--I read all these posts anyway, but . . . How about that Ableton Live? How steep is the learning curve for us sample and solo guys? Has anyone actually sold their main hardware looper and gone with the software approach? Also, has anyone gotten their EDPs yet? (Oops, jes' wandered off topic) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 00:48:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M4ki427354; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Looping & Propellerheads (the band) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C457F2.93610E10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:46:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C457F2.93610E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Did anyone ever read what the Propellerheads (Alex Gifford & Will White) used in the studio for loop construction on “decksandrumsandrockandroll”? I ’d always assumed pure DAW, but maybe outboard gear too. I like “decks” a lot. It’s obvious these guys were musicians before they could spin, vice others that merely rose from DJdom. (Is my bias apparent?) I’d appreciate any looping-related info you might have about these guys. Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C457F2.93610E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Did anyone ever read what the Propellerheads (Alex Gifford & = Will White) used in the studio for loop construction on = “decksandrumsandrockandroll”?  I’d always assumed pure = DAW, but maybe outboard gear too. I like “decks” a lot.  It’s obvious these guys were musicians before they could spin, vice others = that merely rose from DJdom.  (Is my = bias apparent?)  I’d appreciate any = looping-related info you might have about these guys.  Thanks.

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C457F2.93610E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 00:50:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M4iHA27088; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: FS: Digitech 2120 (has 10 sec looper) and other music gear Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:44:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, spring cleaning is here so a few of my favorite things must go.. Digitech 2120 artist with Control 1 controller. $475 plus shipping. I LOVE this thing. Great real tube guitar tone and great effects. Good in front of an amp, or sans amp. (I've not used it with a guitar amp in years and if anyone's seen me perform it's the main guitar processor I've used since 97) Only I find that it's rack nature is keeping me from getting out to jam with people. I've got the rack deeply installed in my studio so it takes like a half an hour to disconnect and go. It's in really good shape, except for the 3rd data write knob slips a bit when using it. No big deal, you just have to make sure you go slower when you use it. Used mostly in my smoke free studio. It's got some cosmetic scratches, but nothing big. As a bonus for you, it's not the ugly purple one, but an upgraded 2112 (no difference sonically): http://www.zerocrossing.net/images/2120.jpg Here's a link that tells you all about it: http://www.amptone.com/digitech2120.htm My music made with it: (Note, all the guitars are 100% 2120 and went directly into my MOTU 828. The looped guitar did have additional processing on it at times) http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html ... but Mark, what will I put that in? Why not buy this 6x6x4 space Gator rack!? $75 plus shipping. http://www.zerocrossing.net/images/gaterrackfront.jpg http://www.zerocrossing.net/images/gatorracktop.jpg NEVER USED! I got it to put my drum machine in, but it made it to high for the keyboard stand I was using and I figured I'd eventually find a use for it, but never did. Here's a link: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040621212541069106224009982646/ g=home/search/detail/base_pid/544851/ Boss WP-20g Wave Processor with cable. MINT. $170 plus shipping. Bought to replace a GR-30, but went to pure keyboard synth soon after. Used 2 times. Box, manual and everything plus the still in box cable (unit didn't come with one) If you love that 80s Fripp/Belew synth tone, this is your baby. Mmmmm slow gear. Discontinued so you can't get them any more. Needs a GK-2 pick up to use. Throw in another $50 and you get one, but it's missing some mounting hardware. Nothing you can't get at a local hardware store. http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Boss/WP_20G_Wave_Processor -01.html I've got good ebay feedback (user name barronmarkonan) and a bunch of people here can attest to my honesty. Sold Kim, the man who we have to thank for this list, a pair of Mackie speakers a while back. I'll ship anywhere in the US, but I keep getting burned trying to do overseas transactions, so US only please. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 01:15:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M5Dpb31695; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040621215106.04eb9cb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:21:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: donations In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040620223450.04a3f9b8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <97BGmB.A.5uH.9_71AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:02 PM 6/21/2004, William Walker wrote: >Hey Kim, I realized I have'nt donated any sheckels to you in some time, I'd >like to send you a check but if there is a payment method you would more >prefer, let me know. What address shall I send it to? >Bill Hi Bill! You are so kind. The world really needs more people like you. my favorite way to take people's money is PayPal. There are Donation links on the Looper's Delight website that should be easy to spot. If you would be so kind as to click on one and cough up some cash in return for all the excellent experiences, information, good times, and outright love you have received because of Looper's Delight, I would be most appreciative. Running this site ain't free, and every day you guys sit there leeching off me is a day I'm getting a little bit poorer. If for some reason PayPal doesn't work for you, or you really want to donate something useful to further the development of Looper's Delight (like a bottle of scotch, how the hell else can I deal with this site every day) you can use this mailing address: PO Box 40200 Berkeley, CA 94704-4200 I'm happy to take checks, cash, bonds, stock certificates, indentured servants, property deeds, jewelry, sports cars, and Lagavulin 16 year. Or whatever you've got lying around, feel free to surprise me. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 01:34:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M5XSs01250; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:33:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:33:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c4581b$beb1c860$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: dreamSTATE live @ MusicWorks Concert June 25th Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:42:45 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Friday June 25th dreamSTATE will perform for the MusicWorks magazine fundraising concert event at the Edward Day Gallery - 952 Queen St. W., Toronto, Canada, ( 7:30 p.m. Tickets: $15 (advance, call 416-977-3546 or e-mail sound@musicworks.ca ) Founded in 1978, Musicworks Magazine is the first publication to pioneer the concept of packaging print and sound together, first on cassette and now on CD. Each issue features articles by and about Canadian and international composers, musicians, artists and theorists, and includes a CD of their works. dreamSTATE have open access to the fantastic archive of sound art from MusicWorks' entire collection and will be mutating, stretching, looping, twisting & rejuxtaposing it into new soundscapes for this special event. Torontonians - please come out and help support this wonderful publication and hear a totally unique dreamSTATE concert - plus performances by electroacoustic composer Darren Copeland & audio collage artists Mannlicher Carcano Ensemble and also enjoy a new installation by internationally renowned Canadian composer John Oswald titled "instandstillness", a feature-length cinematic spectacle featuring hundreds of Torontonians participating in a skin-deep portrayal of a ghostly crowd. (dreamSTATE will surely plunder some of Oswald's work to integrate into our set.) 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No credit card required http://ace.casino.cls2.org/iwin.html James ----4333908700661267481-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 03:20:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M7JO516588; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: donations Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:18:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040621215106.04eb9cb0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great I've just taken delivery on several hundred of the newly minted Ronald Reagan Deficit Dollars. I'll send them out right away......Oh Damn, I just remembered. They are'nt legal tender.... "I'm happy to take checks, cash, bonds, stock certificates, indentured servants, property deeds, jewelry, sports cars, and Lagavulin 16 year." PS would you settle for a six pack of beer Hugs N Kisses Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: donations At 03:02 PM 6/21/2004, William Walker wrote: >Hey Kim, I realized I have'nt donated any sheckels to you in some time, I'd >like to send you a check but if there is a payment method you would more >prefer, let me know. What address shall I send it to? >Bill Hi Bill! You are so kind. The world really needs more people like you. my favorite way to take people's money is PayPal. There are Donation links on the Looper's Delight website that should be easy to spot. If you would be so kind as to click on one and cough up some cash in return for all the excellent experiences, information, good times, and outright love you have received because of Looper's Delight, I would be most appreciative. Running this site ain't free, and every day you guys sit there leeching off me is a day I'm getting a little bit poorer. If for some reason PayPal doesn't work for you, or you really want to donate something useful to further the development of Looper's Delight (like a bottle of scotch, how the hell else can I deal with this site every day) you can use this mailing address: PO Box 40200 Berkeley, CA 94704-4200 I'm happy to take checks, cash, bonds, stock certificates, indentured servants, property deeds, jewelry, sports cars, and Lagavulin 16 year. Or whatever you've got lying around, feel free to surprise me. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 03:20:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5M7JIW16585; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040621191239.04e26128@spamarrest.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-nmms.A.HBE.a191AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will on occasion use a CFC to store loops that I created using internal memory, However I find that if I try to record to CFC directly, particularly if I'm trying to replace loops, That clock noise is unavoidable. I found this out after I performed at NAMM a couple of years ago, and realized to my horror that everything I laid down ,(other than the initial beatbox stuff I had prerecorded using internal memory, and then dumped to CFC), had the hideous wheezy ticky ticky s**t of which you speak. Fortunately, there is such a tremendous noise floor at the NAMM that no one seemed to notice! A work around for that, if you absolutely need to create very long loops is to always use a blank, or reformated CFC card. If you need to use prerecords, dump your stuff if possible back in to internal memory if you wish to overdub or re-record material. This will avoid the dreaded tick tick tick. My theory is that the clock noise may have something to do with the re-writing of a CFC but I'm probably way off base. I just know that when I do my writing using internal memory first, and then dumping to CFC, I have viritually no CFC related problems. When I first got the repeater, I thought, Wow, with a big CFC card, I can create really long loops. Then I realized that was'nt that important to me because I tend to think and write in 1, 2 or 4 bar phrases, and that I was'nt really interested in having a lot of prerecord stuff on CFC, At least not for my creative playing. It just seemed to me to be too canned sounding. My brother Rick and I have been doing an annual awards show for that last few years in Santa Cruz, and the RPTR has been invaluable for that. Because its just the two of us acting as pit orchestra, the RPTR has allowed us to create a full band sound with the use of CFC tracks I created to compliment the various awardees. One function on the RPTR that I have come to use more and more is the replace feature. I find it works best if I have one track as my dedicated beatbox or rhythmn track , so when I'm replacing another track I have a tempo guide. This feature is key for me, as it allows me to really change directions by continually replacing tracks as suits my whim. The added bonus is replace does'nt seemed to use up memory like overdubing or adding a new track does. I have a preset that toggles between overdub and replace on My FCB1010, right next to my record preset switch. Highly recommended. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live At 04:55 PM 6/21/2004, William Walker wrote: >Lastly any digital noise I had was cured by running the rptr in the effects >loop of a mixer and engaging the input mute function. All of the noise and >latency related garbage was cleaned up by doing this. Bill, do you mean that running the Repeater in your effects loop also eliminated the clock noise that occasionally shows up while recording directly to the CFC card? Or do you not even take advantage of that functionality? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 08:24:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MCMh427253; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B160BB2-C42A-11D8-8D3F-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Changing the Subject line--was RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:00:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 22, 2004, at 3:51 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Uh--I read all these posts anyway, but . . . > How about that Ableton Live? > How steep is the learning curve for us sample and solo guys? In a way Ableton Live is easier to set up with a midi foot controller, compared to the Repeater. You don't have to do that much programming since Live has "midi learn" function to map different controller data to certain functions. You just put Live in midi learn mode, click at the graphical representation of the function (could be "play", "mute" or anything) and finally step on the foot controller button to send the midi message. That's it! Just watch out with those FCB1010 bursts of multi msg sending (like with the Repeater). > Has anyone actually sold their main hardware looper and gone with the > software approach? Not yet. No software looper I have come across does overdub recording into a loop, sound-on-sound wise (without other inconvenient drawbacks). Both the EDP and the Repeater does this very good. A partial workaround I tried was to use the plug-in Lexicon PSP42 in Ableton Live. Then you can easily tweak feedback and other parameters from a midi expression pedal, thanks to the external midi controller mapping in Live. But this is more like using a bunch of tape delay units for sound-on-sound looping. It's not the same thing as actually record in overdub mode on a EDP or Repeater. For frippertronics-like work I guess Ableton Live with the soft-lexicon should work fine. Another cool Repeater function, that is not available in Ableton Live, is to re-pitch a loop/sample/clip by external midi control. In Live you can do it by using the mouse but that's not to much help if you are busy playing instruments with your hands. I and others have been actively asking for Ableton to make external midi control available also for so called "sample or clip parameters", but as the upcoming version 4 has yet been presented I'm afraid this matter was not looked into. If midi pedals could be mapped to "sample pitch" you could reach a similar "freedom in pitch" as the Repeater offers. However with the exception that recordings have to be made before changing the pitch. There are however different plug-ins that can be used in Live for changing the pitch, but none of them sounding as good, to my ears, as simply re-pitching a Repeater track. But as we know software are instantly improving and with Live you get access to most plug-in parameters for your external midi controller. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 10:39:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MEcUd12215; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ableton Live vs Hardware Loopers; PMC control Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:37:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <8B160BB2-C42A-11D8-8D3F-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcRYVC7d0s1mJFgcQiWJVQGR/PGZRwAESnpQ Message-Id: <20040622143731.UUVA28212.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Changing the Subject line--was RE: making the switch from Repeater to Ableton Live In a way Ableton Live is easier to set up with a midi foot controller, compared to the Repeater. You don't have to do that much programming since Live has "midi learn" function to map different controller data to certain functions. You just put Live in midi learn mode, click at the graphical representation of the function (could be "play", "mute" or anything) and finally step on the foot controller button to send the midi message. That's it! Just watch out with those FCB1010 bursts of multi msg sending (like with the Repeater). >>>>>Thanks Per-- Sounds like this software is giving the hardware boxes a run for their money. Does anyone use the PMC 10 to control their Ableton setup? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 12:57:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MGuYG07691; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:56:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:56:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40D864CB.A8333BCF@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:56:43 -0400 From: legion@HelpWantedProductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Buckethead Live DVDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, A few months ago I bought a few bootleg DVDs of Buckethead on his most recent solo tour. I got one for me and two for a friend. Well, the friend stiffed me and I'd like to sell these at cost to other fans. I figured here would be a good place to find someone twisted enough to appreciate this :) This is the entire set from the most recent solo tour recorded on a digital camera from the balcony at the TLA in Philadelphia. Video quality and sound are both very good IMO. It's not pro shot but perfect for what his show is. Recorded to a simple DVDr. The set is the whole schtick from Monsters and Robots to his chicken dance and nunchauk solo. As far as I know there aren't any official live documents of his solo shows which is why I got this. Last one I saw on Eb*ay went for $44, I'm asking my cost of $25/each. Will ship anywhere at actual cost. Don't know about Buckethead? For shame! http://www.bucketheadland.com/ I can take paypal to make things easy. If interested or if you have any questions please let me know. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 13:04:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MH3tB09804; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1087923715.40d866035e72b@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:01:55 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Buckethead Live DVDs References: <40D864CB.A8333BCF@HelpWantedProductions.com> In-Reply-To: <40D864CB.A8333BCF@HelpWantedProductions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is the entire set from the most recent solo tour recorded on a Please excuse my ignorance, but by "solo tour" do you mean that solo as in, his band or as in him by himself? I was a big fan of Praxis and I saw Claypool's Bucket 'o Bernie Brains show a while back. I might be interested in this. If it was indeed his band, which I expect it is considering that he doesn't see much of a "solo" solo artist to me, who else is playing on it? Sincerely, Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 13:14:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MHDC210714; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40D868A5.D14EF1A5@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:13:09 -0400 From: legion@HelpWantedProductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Buckethead Live DVDs References: <40D864CB.A8333BCF@HelpWantedProductions.com> <1087923715.40d866035e72b@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While he plays with others live (particularly in Praxis or at home in SF), this is his solo tour which is just him playing with all sorts of triggered electronics, backing loops, etc. He plays heavily processed guitar and makes an amazing racket. He also breakdances and stuff, quite entertaining and typically wacky. He's been doing this type of thing for years typically when he opens and tours with other bands (Primus, etc). "David J. Grossman" wrote: > > This is the entire set from the most recent solo tour recorded on a > > Please excuse my ignorance, but by "solo tour" do you mean that solo as in, his > band or as in him by himself? I was a big fan of Praxis and I saw Claypool's > Bucket 'o Bernie Brains show a while back. I might be interested in this. If it > was indeed his band, which I expect it is considering that he doesn't see much of > a "solo" solo artist to me, who else is playing on it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 14:05:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MI3Sq19453; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Message-Id: <2FC7D6B9-C476-11D8-AF4E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:01:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5MI1ah19245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A reminder that this Saturday sees the Second Annual Cambridge Festival of Looping. A night of music by UK and international artists exploring the art and science looping. Featuring (in a slight change to the previously announced line-up): - Bernhard Wagner (guitar) - Tim Bowness, Michael Bearpark and Stephen Bennett (voice, guitar, flute) - Andy Butler (guitar) - Economy of Motion (guitars) with looped film projections by Kodachrome 40. saturday june 26th 2004 8pm-11pm (doors open 7:30pm) £6 on the door (£5 concessions with ID) At the michaelhouse cafe, trinity street, cambridge, england For more information, please visit http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 14:38:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MIbre24155; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2FC7D6B9-C476-11D8-AF4E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> References: <2FC7D6B9-C476-11D8-AF4E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:20:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5MIaMh23996 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and I thought you meant Cambridge, MA-:) At 7:01 PM +0100 6/22/04, Os wrote: >A reminder that this Saturday sees the Second >Annual Cambridge Festival of Looping. > >A night of music by UK and international artists >exploring the art and science looping. > >Featuring (in a slight change to the previously announced line-up): >- Bernhard Wagner > (guitar) >- Tim Bowness, Michael Bearpark and Stephen Bennett > (voice, guitar, flute) >- Andy Butler > (guitar) >- Economy of Motion > (guitars) >with looped film projections by Kodachrome 40. > > saturday june 26th 2004 > 8pm-11pm (doors open 7:30pm) > £6 on the door (£5 concessions with ID) > >At the michaelhouse cafe, trinity street, cambridge, england > >For more information, please visit http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 15:09:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MJ9Er30135; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:57:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Spam poetry as source material Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7zB8rD.A.EWH.HPI2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been assembling a collection of what I call spam poetry, the semi-random words put in messages to fool filters, e.g. At 1:30 PM +0600 6/22/04, Elise Mccain wrote: >graphite atheist adorn stable dispersion babysitter squander >alongside gallon beak eelgrass francine I don't know when or whether I will do anything with them or in what medium. I wonder of anyone else out there is thinking on these lines. Maybe use text to speech software to generate the sound -- or get an actor to read the words in a very formal style (Hmmm.., we could do a cut and paste email text piece, each person adds one chosen line from his spam to the piece as it goes around) -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 15:16:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MJGEX30935; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:15:16 EDT Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/22/04 12:09:27 PM, emile@foryourhead.com writes: << I wonder of anyone else out there is thinking on these lines. >> Yes. Some of it is quite surreal and evocative. I was also thinking that some of those Nigerian banking scam emails might make a good song text. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 15:24:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MJOK732491; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:24:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> References: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:22:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you are all of course familiar with Spam Radio? http://www.spamradio.com/ (very funny... basically, email spam read by a voice synthesizer over ambient beatz.) /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 15:28:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MJRWQ00384; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40D88768.2000202@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:24 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000106060302030007080104" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000106060302030007080104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh yeah! I adore this stuff, and have been keeping a collection for awhile, not sure what to do with it either. This was one of the best, as it was actually separated into lines. The subject line? "thanks for joining soccer-moms". Very e.e. cummings in places. > Any white well-crafted silver pencil spit. Her soft mouse falls at the place that our children soft ram falls. His purple glove smells. A given white tv stands-still. Mine smart baby smiles. Any soft tall table stares. Our children small spoon is on fire. Mine red eraser smiles. Whose shining balloon snores. Mine expensive table spit. Our children smart hairy beautiful white small bluish magazine makes sound while his brothers bluish eraser smells. Our noisy paper is angry and perhaps whose shining magazine stares. A beautiful mp3 player lies and still their small golden car smiles. The stupid round cat calculates. The round-shaped bicycle prepare for fight however, their well-crafted well-crafted door is angry. Any smart wine got an idea while mine expensive purple house stares. Our children odd shaped eraser looks around. The odd shaped golden magazine adheres. Any well-crafted forg smells or maybe any golden odd shaped bra calms-down and perhaps whose well-crafted red omprella is on fire while his brothers odd shaped forg stares as soon as their silver printer calculates as soon as any beautiful book arrives. Her round t-shirt fidgeting and any shining house arrives. Our green table smiles. His small picture falls. A given odd shaped green gun stares and still her daughters noisy omprella looks around however, her golden soda smells. Her beautiful table looks around. A given round tv calculates however, our children odd shaped omprella fidgeting. Their expensive table stares. Her well-crafted purple book arrives. Mine round soda snores. > Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com --------------000106060302030007080104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
oh yeah!  I adore this stuff, and have been keeping a collection for awhile, not sure what to do with it either.  This was one of the best, as it was actually separated into lines.  The subject line?  "thanks for joining soccer-moms".  Very e.e. cummings in places.

>
 Any white well-crafted silver pencil spit.
 Her soft mouse falls at the place that our children soft ram falls.
 His purple glove smells.
 A given white tv stands-still.
 Mine smart baby smiles.
 Any soft tall table stares.
 Our children small spoon is on fire.
 Mine red eraser smiles.
 Whose shining balloon snores.
 Mine expensive table spit.
 Our children smart hairy beautiful white small bluish magazine makes sound while his brothers bluish eraser smells.
 Our noisy paper is angry and perhaps whose shining magazine stares.
 A beautiful mp3 player lies and still their small golden car smiles.
 The stupid round cat calculates.
 The round-shaped bicycle prepare for fight however, their well-crafted well-crafted door is angry.
 Any smart wine got an idea while mine expensive purple house stares.
 Our children odd shaped eraser looks around.
 The odd shaped golden magazine adheres.
 Any well-crafted forg smells or maybe any golden odd shaped bra calms-down and perhaps whose well-crafted red omprella is on fire while his brothers odd shaped forg stares as soon as their silver printer calculates as soon as any beautiful book arrives.
 Her round t-shirt fidgeting and any shining house arrives.
 Our green table smiles.
 His small picture falls.
 A given odd shaped green gun stares and still her daughters noisy omprella looks around however, her golden soda smells.
 Her beautiful table looks around.
 A given round tv calculates however, our children odd shaped omprella fidgeting.
 Their expensive table stares.
 Her well-crafted purple book arrives.
 Mine round soda snores.
>

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

--------------000106060302030007080104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 15:42:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MJeMw02481; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:40:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:39:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi, > > I've been assembling a collection of what I call spam poetry, the > semi-random words put in messages to fool filters, e.g. Heh, I've done a number of spoken performances with this stuff. It fun to see the reaction, especially if you speak it with absolute passion and conviction :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 15:57:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MJubP05894; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:42:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 PM -0400 6/22/04, Tom Ritchford wrote: >you are all of course familiar with Spam Radio? > >http://www.spamradio.com/ > >(very funny... basically, email spam read by a voice synthesizer >over ambient beatz.) > > /t >-- > >http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list Its not working for me, and I don't have time to debug it. However, I'm more interested in the strings of words that they use to fool the filters than the messages themselves. Looping fodder some day. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 16:33:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MKQts12099; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c45897$295e2c00$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> Subject: 16 Second delay is at Musictoyz Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php I think the third switch looks terrible. No other comments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 17:46:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MLj8225372; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:45:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c458a2$1b219b30$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> <001101c45897$295e2c00$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Akai Headrush E2 info Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.akaipro.com/us/e2.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 18:03:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5MM2bH28817; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:02:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE LAND" To: Subject: EDP AND FC7 Problems Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:00:21 -0600 Message-ID: <005001c458a4$506e1910$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C45872.05D3A910" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C45872.05D3A910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Loop heads, It's been a long time since I posted but I've been having weirdness on my gigs with one of my EDP's. Here's the problem with my new Blackfaced EDP: When I'm in Multiply mode and I end it with Record (so the phrase ends when I want it to) I get a blank space for a moment before the new Multiplied cycle starts again and it becomes a part of that new cycle So that each time it comes around there's a short blank space before the start of the cycle. I've also been having a couple of problems with the FC7.. #1) When you press the record button it will trigger the Next Loop. #2) When you hit Overdub it doesn't trigger on the EDP or it won't stay in Overdub mode and you have to just keep the button pressed to keep it in overdub mode. Any ideas? -Arthur Lee www.arthurleeland.com ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C45872.05D3A910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Loop = heads,

It’s been a long time since I posted but = I’ve been having weirdness on my gigs with one of my = EDP’s.

 

Here’s the problem with my new Blackfaced = EDP:

 

When I’m in Multiply mode and I end it with = Record (so the phrase ends when I want it to)

I get a blank space for a moment before the new = Multiplied cycle starts again and it becomes a part of that new cycle 

So that each time it comes around there’s a = short blank space before the start of the cycle.

 

 

I’ve also been having a couple of problems with = the FC7….

#1) When you press the record button it will trigger = the Next Loop.

 

#2) When you hit Overdub it doesn’t trigger on = the EDP or it won’t stay in Overdub mode and you have to just keep the = button pressed to keep it in overdub mode.

 

Any ideas?

 

-Arthur Lee

 

www.arthurleeland.com

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C45872.05D3A910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 20:03:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N02g016226; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:02:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406230002.i5N02Lh16165@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Preset EDP feedback Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:00:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000c01c458a2$1b219b30$6402a8c0@breakyii> Thread-Index: AcRYolxRiLjbWMjxTLGvoOkV/Sw/CwAEmL4Q X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: artists@hazardfactor.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there sysex messages that can be sent to the EDP to preset feedback amounts, like 100%, 75%, 50%, 25%, 0%? I use a Digitech PMC-10, so I can send any midi message, but sometimes my CC pedal, which I normally use for feedback, is being used for something else, and I only gots 2 feets. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 20:10:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N0AXe16984; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:10:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040622170459.01aeaa90@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:10:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Preset EDP feedback In-Reply-To: <200406230002.i5N02Lh16165@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <000c01c458a2$1b219b30$6402a8c0@breakyii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You don't have to use a pedal to send a cc - you can send a cc of any value by hardcoding it into one of the strings for a pmc preset (100% feedback would be a value of 127 for whatever controller feedback happens to be, 0% would be a value of 0). At 05:00 PM 2004.06.22, hazard factor wrote: >Are there sysex messages that can be sent to the EDP to preset feedback >amounts, like 100%, 75%, 50%, 25%, 0%? I use a Digitech PMC-10, so I can >send any midi message, but sometimes my CC pedal, which I normally use for >feedback, is being used for something else, and I only gots 2 feets. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 20:17:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N0GvT17960; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406230016.i5N0Gdh17901@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Preset EDP feedback Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040622170459.01aeaa90@mail.creepingfog.com> Thread-Index: AcRYtomoWOo4wxh/RHml2yjcvIiVlAAADzFw X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: artists@hazardfactor.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right- it was more of an EDP question than a PMC one...I just have no idea what the sysex commands to map to the pedals would be, som hex string, I am guessing. I planned on adding some 'feedback presets' to a bank if I am using the CC pedal for something else. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > You don't have to use a pedal to send a cc - you can send a > cc of any value by hardcoding it into one of the strings for > a pmc preset (100% feedback would be a value of 127 for > whatever controller feedback happens to be, 0% would be a value of 0). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 20:41:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N0eb021201; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040622173744.01af0078@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:39:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Preset EDP feedback In-Reply-To: <200406230016.i5N0Gdh17901@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040622170459.01aeaa90@mail.creepingfog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I meant was that you don't need to use sysex to accomplish this - you can use cc messages instead of sysex. Since you've already programmed a pedal to send continuous messages, you've got all the information you need to send discrete control messages. At 05:14 PM 2004.06.22, hazard factor wrote: >Right- it was more of an EDP question than a PMC one...I just have no idea >what the sysex commands to map to the pedals would be, som hex string, I am >guessing. I planned on adding some 'feedback presets' to a bank if I am >using the CC pedal for something else. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > >> >> You don't have to use a pedal to send a cc - you can send a >> cc of any value by hardcoding it into one of the strings for >> a pmc preset (100% feedback would be a value of 127 for >> whatever controller feedback happens to be, 0% would be a value of 0). >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 20:50:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N0nsM22566; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406230049.i5N0nYh22516@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Preset EDP feedback Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:47:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040622173744.01af0078@mail.creepingfog.com> Thread-Index: AcRYurzs/DPo9hYfT6KHKcHgzloxuQAALQaw X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: artists@hazardfactor.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0sPStB.A.IgF.fON2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ohhhh! I got it! So I just send the CC# and a certain value by regular pedal...gotcha...easy enough..thanks! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > What I meant was that you don't need to use sysex to > accomplish this - you can use cc messages instead of sysex. > Since you've already programmed a pedal to send continuous > messages, you've got all the information you need to send > discrete control messages. > > > At 05:14 PM 2004.06.22, hazard factor wrote: > >Right- it was more of an EDP question than a PMC one...I > just have no > >idea what the sysex commands to map to the pedals would be, som hex > >string, I am guessing. I planned on adding some 'feedback > presets' to a > >bank if I am using the CC pedal for something else. > > > >Dave Eichenberger > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >> > >> You don't have to use a pedal to send a cc - you can send > a cc of any > >> value by hardcoding it into one of the strings for a pmc > preset (100% > >> feedback would be a value of 127 for whatever controller feedback > >> happens to be, 0% would be a value of 0). > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 22 21:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N1UV528297; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:30:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:30:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <001101c45897$295e2c00$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> <001101c45897$295e2c00$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: 16 Second delay is at Musictoyz Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:29:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, it looks good to me... if only it midi synch I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Mark On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php > > I think the third switch looks terrible. No other comments. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 04:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5N8XRO18109; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040623092839.027fccb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:30:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:16 Second delay is at Musictoyz In-Reply-To: <200406222203.i5MM3bm29010@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406222203.i5MM3bm29010@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 23:03 22/06/04, you wrote:
http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php


  • Change the Pitch and Tempo of the loop in 1/2 step increments, with a total range of 2 octaves
  • Change the Tempo of the loop while the pitch remains constant

hhmmm..

that's different

andy butler
 

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 06:22:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NAMPe09608; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c4590b$d5a1a770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ANDREAS WILLERS: Guitar Live Looping Mini Fest in Santa Cruz, California Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:21:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C458D1.2904DC10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C458D1.2904DC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acclaimed Berlin based jazz/looper/guitarist Andreas Willers will be = headling the Guitar Live Looping Mini Fest in Santa Cruz, California Wednesday, June 29th at the X CHURCH=20 (429 Pennsylvania Avenue nearSoquel Avenue). The show starts at 8 p.m. and the donation is $8/door=20 with noone turned away for lack of funds. The performance is a mini fest due to the inclusion of sets by=20 special guest artist Bill Walker (acoustic, electric guitars, loops) and his shorter, older brother, Rick Walker (mc,unguitar, loops). There will also be some collaborative improvisations with all three = artists. ******************************** Here's what is said about Andreas Willer's guitar mastery: JOHN ABERCROMBIE: 'Some of the most original music I've heard in a = long time. Excellent!'=20 PAUL BLEY: 'I work with the best and Andreas continues the lineage'.=20 ROGER DURY: 'Andreas Willers sounds unlike anybody I've ever heard. He = should be famous!'=20 (Editor JAZZIS MAGAZINE, USA)=20 for more information, write: looppool@cruzio.com ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C458D1.2904DC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Acclaimed Berlin based jazz/looper/guitarist = Andreas=20 Willers will be headling the

Guitar Live Looping Mini Fest in = Santa Cruz,=20 California

 Wednesday, June 29th at the = X CHURCH=20

(429 Pennsylvania Avenue = nearSoquel=20 Avenue).

The show starts at 8 p.m. and the=20 donation is $8/door

with noone turned away for lack of funds.

 

The performance is a mini fest due to the = inclusion of sets=20 by

special guest artist Bill=20 Walker (acoustic, electric guitars, = loops)

and his shorter, older brother, Rick Walker=20 (mc,unguitar, loops).

There will also be some collaborative improvisations = with all=20 three artists.

********************************

Here's what is said about Andreas Willer's guitar = mastery:

JOHN ABERCROMBIE: 'Some of the most = original music=20 I've heard in a long time. Excellent!'=20

PAUL BLEY: 'I work with the best and Andreas = continues=20 the lineage'. =

ROGER DURY: 'Andreas Willers sounds unlike = anybody I've=20 ever heard. He should be famous!'=20

(Editor JAZZIS MAGAZINE, USA)

 

for more information,  = write: =20 = looppool@cruzio.com

 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C458D1.2904DC10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 07:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NBgbh28428; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:42:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:42:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2FC7D6B9-C476-11D8-AF4E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:41:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4f0lnC.A.w6G.VyW2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >and I thought you meant Cambridge, MA-:) why do you say this? he did say: england isnt it enough that whenever there is nothing said, its USA? ...the only country with a one digit phone code and nothing after .com ...where the oil goes and peace comes from... :-) I hope its going to be a great meeting! (two of my best friends are there...) Thinking better: Seems to be about the only Loopfest in Europe this year? Its because last year, Rick came over! ... and for such a big spirit, great California is needed to be born in! LOL ! but seriously: it took an american to travel through Europe to create all those meetings last year. Why is this? Are we not interested in colaboration over here? > >At 7:01 PM +0100 6/22/04, Os wrote: >>A reminder that this Saturday sees the Second Annual Cambridge >>Festival of Looping. >> >>A night of music by UK and international artists exploring the art >>and science looping. >> >>Featuring (in a slight change to the previously announced line-up): >>- Bernhard Wagner >> (guitar) >>- Tim Bowness, Michael Bearpark and Stephen Bennett >> (voice, guitar, flute) >>- Andy Butler >> (guitar) >>- Economy of Motion >> (guitars) >>with looped film projections by Kodachrome 40. >> >> saturday june 26th 2004 >> 8pm-11pm (doors open 7:30pm) >> £6 on the door (£5 concessions with ID) >> >>At the michaelhouse cafe, trinity street, cambridge, england >> >>For more information, please visit http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ > > >-- > >"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two >opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the >ability to function." > >F. Scott Fitzgerald > >Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at >http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 07:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NBgb528430; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:42:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:42:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005001c458a4$506e1910$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> References: <005001c458a4$506e1910$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:35:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP AND FC7 Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Loop heads, >It's been a long time since I posted but I've been having weirdness >on my gigs with one of my EDP's. I remember... just for comunication clarity: When you say "mode" here, its what we call "state" because Mode is taken by parameters, while Functions takes us to States. > >Here's the problem with my new Blackfaced EDP: > >When I'm in Multiply mode and I end it with Record (so the phrase >ends when I want it to) >I get a blank space for a moment before the new Multiplied cycle >starts again and it becomes a part of that new cycle >So that each time it comes around there's a short blank space before >the start of the cycle. This is a really weird story do you end up with only one Cycle? how long is that blank space? >I've also been having a couple of problems with the FC7Š. >#1) When you press the record button it will trigger the Next Loop. that happens when the contact of the switch is not good enough any more >#2) When you hit Overdub it doesn't trigger on the EDP or it won't >stay in Overdub mode and you have to just keep the button pressed to >keep it in overdub mode. this happens when you press it long or when OverdubMode is SUS > >Any ideas? > >-Arthur Lee > >www.arthurleeland.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 07:58:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NBw5q00301; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c45919$45ed71a0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <2FC7D6B9-C476-11D8-AF4E-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Subject: Re: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:57:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7Qj7NC.A.p9H.yAX2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alas, if I'd have heard about it sooner perhaps I could have attended myself. > >and I thought you meant Cambridge, MA-:) > > why do you say this? > he did say: england > isnt it enough that whenever there is nothing said, its USA? > ...the only country with a one digit phone code and nothing after .com > ...where the oil goes and peace comes from... :-) > > I hope its going to be a great meeting! > (two of my best friends are there...) > > Thinking better: > Seems to be about the only Loopfest in Europe this year? > Its because last year, Rick came over! > ... and for such a big spirit, great California is needed to be born in! > LOL ! > but seriously: it took an american to travel through Europe to create > all those meetings last year. Why is this? Are we not interested in > colaboration over here? > > > > > >At 7:01 PM +0100 6/22/04, Os wrote: > >>A reminder that this Saturday sees the Second Annual Cambridge > >>Festival of Looping. > >> > >>A night of music by UK and international artists exploring the art > >>and science looping. > >> > >>Featuring (in a slight change to the previously announced line-up): > >>- Bernhard Wagner > >> (guitar) > >>- Tim Bowness, Michael Bearpark and Stephen Bennett > >> (voice, guitar, flute) > >>- Andy Butler > >> (guitar) > >>- Economy of Motion > >> (guitars) > >>with looped film projections by Kodachrome 40. > >> > >> saturday june 26th 2004 > >> 8pm-11pm (doors open 7:30pm) > >> £6 on the door (£5 concessions with ID) > >> > >>At the michaelhouse cafe, trinity street, cambridge, england > >> > >>For more information, please visit http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ > > > > > >-- > > > >"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > >opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > >ability to function." > > > >F. Scott Fitzgerald > > > >Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > >http://www.foryourhead.com > > > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > >Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > >Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > >http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 09:17:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NDHKD22941; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:15:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2004 13:15:39.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D9746C0:01C45924] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all. I have strangley enough just completed a fine art project entirely using spam and web-specific systems to create art. My first piece involved re-arranging lines that i got from my spam into poetry. this then progressed onto just leaving it as is was and adding music. in the end i brought all the elements togeather and wrote a small piece of automated code that would do the following. 1. All my spam got placed into one folder as it arrived. 2. the parser code reads this text copys it to the clip board automatically 3. the text to speech engine automatically begins reading what it sees inthte clipboard 4. the viewer can select from a number of my own instrumental background tracks to add a little music to uit the mood. there are also visuals being projected for this work made up of spam pages being shown on a random powerpoint style slideshow. just thought it was fun to share Phill _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 10:29:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NESKY09874; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:30:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love spam text and I've suspected that Beck's been using it to generate song lyrics for years. ;) Sounds like a fun show. Coven carryover, Mark On Jun 23, 2004, at 6:15 AM, lol c wrote: > hey all. > > I have strangley enough just completed a fine art project entirely > using spam and web-specific systems to create art. > > My first piece involved re-arranging lines that i got from my spam > into poetry. > > this then progressed onto just leaving it as is was and adding music. > > in the end i brought all the elements togeather and wrote a small > piece of automated code that would do the following. > > 1. All my spam got placed into one folder as it arrived. > 2. the parser code reads this text copys it to the clip board > automatically > 3. the text to speech engine automatically begins reading what it sees > inthte clipboard > 4. the viewer can select from a number of my own instrumental > background tracks to add a little music to uit the mood. > > there are also visuals being projected for this work made up of spam > pages being shown on a random powerpoint style slideshow. > > > just thought it was fun to share > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 11:04:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NF4JC20424; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040623150321.54563.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: 16 Second delay is at Musictoyz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder why there's no mention of what the MIDI Out port on the right side of the pedal does. An oversight? I recall Ron Neely mentioning MIDI clock out, but it's not in this particular product description. Well, if 12 were released to the store, I suppose mine is on its way soon? ;) Paolo --- msottilaro wrote: > Wow, it looks good to me... if only it midi synch > I'd buy one in a > heartbeat. > > Mark > > On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php > > > > I think the third switch looks terrible. No other > comments. > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 13:49:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NHn3f27094; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406231747.i5NHlH9p074485@ns2.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Subject: Minnesota loopers Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:47:18 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to be spending a lot of time in Minnesota these days on Adobe business. What's the looping community like in the Minneapolis/Saint Paul area? Anything I should be checking out on one of my trips? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 14:14:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NIE5e31798; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:40:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in the first year the AD1845 converter was used, since then the Crystal CS4231A you can download its datasheet, but you will not find the word oversampling in it. I think that was some CD player technology of the past... > >> Hi, >> I am from the LD list. I was just wondering if you ever got an answer >> to this question. >> -John M. >> On Jun 17, 2004, at 7:41 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> >> > Does anybody know what the oversampling rate (?) is on the digital to >> > analog >> > conversion of the EDP? Also, has this changed over the course of the >> > EDP >> > hardware's evolution? >> > >> > >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 14:26:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NIQIG01136; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:29:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Curious. All the Akai and Yamaha samplers mention oversampling in their specs, and those are contemporaries of the EDP hardware. For more info see: http://www.earlevel.com/Digital%20Audio/Oversampling.html -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:40 AM Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling > in the first year the AD1845 converter was used, since then the Crystal CS4231A > you can download its datasheet, but you will not find the word > oversampling in it. I think that was some CD player technology of the > past... > > > > >> Hi, > >> I am from the LD list. I was just wondering if you ever got an answer > >> to this question. > >> -John M. > >> On Jun 17, 2004, at 7:41 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >> > >> > Does anybody know what the oversampling rate (?) is on the digital to > >> > analog > >> > conversion of the EDP? Also, has this changed over the course of the > >> > EDP > >> > hardware's evolution? > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 14:41:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NIe2803815; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:40:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:40:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE LAND" To: Subject: RE: EDP AND FC7 Problems Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:37:41 -0600 Message-ID: <002c01c45951$2b3bf830$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5NIbjh03005 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's just a very short blank space at the end of the multiplied cycle. As far as the FC7 do I change switches or just clean it? Thanks for responding so quick. -Arthur -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP AND FC7 Problems >Hi Loop heads, >It's been a long time since I posted but I've been having weirdness >on my gigs with one of my EDP's. I remember... just for comunication clarity: When you say "mode" here, its what we call "state" because Mode is taken by parameters, while Functions takes us to States. > >Here's the problem with my new Blackfaced EDP: > >When I'm in Multiply mode and I end it with Record (so the phrase >ends when I want it to) >I get a blank space for a moment before the new Multiplied cycle >starts again and it becomes a part of that new cycle >So that each time it comes around there's a short blank space before >the start of the cycle. This is a really weird story do you end up with only one Cycle? how long is that blank space? >I've also been having a couple of problems with the FC7©. >#1) When you press the record button it will trigger the Next Loop. that happens when the contact of the switch is not good enough any more >#2) When you hit Overdub it doesn't trigger on the EDP or it won't >stay in Overdub mode and you have to just keep the button pressed to >keep it in overdub mode. this happens when you press it long or when OverdubMode is SUS > >Any ideas? > >-Arthur Lee > >www.arthurleeland.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 15:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NJRv911033; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <40D9D967.00005B.02704@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:26:31 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_7O0S84H5BHK000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: http://chickiboom.com/records/current/index.htm X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_7O0S84H5BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://chickiboom.com/records/current/index.htm=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_7O0S84H5BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
--------------Boundary-00=_7O0S84H5BHK000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 16:17:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NKGNP19434; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c4595e$c38c82a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: date correction for ANDREAS WILLERS WED, JUNE 30th!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:15:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-VxbZC.A.GtE.GTe2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please forgive me, but The Guitar Live Looping Mini Fest starring Andreas Willers and Bill Walker will be on WEDNESDAY, JUNE 30th (not the 29th, as I had previously announced). Hope to see you there. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 16:53:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NKp2223437; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:51:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:51:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Spam poetry as source material Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:49:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2czAl.A.3rF.8ze2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, this message got nabbed by my own spam filter because my email server tags everything with the word "Spam" in the subject it thinks is spam and Apple's Mail program is told to put them in a folder. Mark On Jun 23, 2004, at 7:30 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I love spam text and I've suspected that Beck's been using it to > generate song lyrics for years. ;) Sounds like a fun show. > > Coven carryover, > > Mark > > On Jun 23, 2004, at 6:15 AM, lol c wrote: > >> hey all. >> >> I have strangley enough just completed a fine art project entirely >> using spam and web-specific systems to create art. >> >> My first piece involved re-arranging lines that i got from my spam >> into poetry. >> >> this then progressed onto just leaving it as is was and adding music. >> >> in the end i brought all the elements togeather and wrote a small >> piece of automated code that would do the following. >> >> 1. All my spam got placed into one folder as it arrived. >> 2. the parser code reads this text copys it to the clip board >> automatically >> 3. the text to speech engine automatically begins reading what it >> sees inthte clipboard >> 4. the viewer can select from a number of my own instrumental >> background tracks to add a little music to uit the mood. >> >> there are also visuals being projected for this work made up of spam >> pages being shown on a random powerpoint style slideshow. >> >> >> just thought it was fun to share >> >> Phill >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 17:05:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NL4EU26907; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <1db.24a044db.2e09df44@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Sp*m poetry as source material Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:02:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best spam I ever got was refuting the Uncertainty Principal. Bizarro. Wasn't trying to sell anything. On Jun 22, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > At 3:22 PM -0400 6/22/04, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> you are all of course familiar with Spam Radio? >> >> http://www.spamradio.com/ >> >> (very funny... basically, email spam read by a voice synthesizer over >> ambient beatz.) >> >> /t >> -- >> >> http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing >> list > > Its not working for me, and I don't have time to debug it. However, > I'm more interested in the strings of words that they use to fool the > filters than the messages themselves. Looping fodder some day. > -- > > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > ability to function." > > F. Scott Fitzgerald > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 17:38:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NLZQP30619; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:35:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:35:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:35:47 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: EDP Undo questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40D9F7B3.2020509@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have an EDP (yet anyway) but I was reading the manual and had some questions about how Undo behaves. Say I record an initial loop, then within the first playback I drop in two discrete overdubs. Pressing Long-Undo should then "remove the entire last layer of sound added". Is the "layer" the entire loop containing both overdubs, or are the overdubs removed one at a time in reverse order? Next, say I record an initial loop of 10 seconds. On playback I start an Overdub at second 8 and let it continue for 4 seconds, spilling over into another repetition of the loop. Now I press Long-Undo. Does the last layer contain just the second half of the overdub, or will it remove all 4 seconds? If it contains only the second half, will it fade the first half of the overdub to prevent an audible pop? Thanks, Jeff Larson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 18:13:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NMBcZ04304; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040623150321.54563.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040623150321.54563.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C51C0DE-C562-11D8-B82E-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: 16 Second delay is at Musictoyz Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:10:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone else ordered from this company? Mark On Jun 23, 2004, at 8:03 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I wonder why there's no mention of what the MIDI Out > port on the right side of the pedal does. An > oversight? I recall Ron Neely mentioning MIDI clock > out, but it's not in this particular product > description. > > Well, if 12 were released to the store, I suppose mine > is on its way soon? ;) > > Paolo > > --- msottilaro wrote: >> Wow, it looks good to me... if only it midi synch >> I'd buy one in a >> heartbeat. >> >> Mark >> >> On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: >> >>> http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php >>> >>> I think the third switch looks terrible. No other >> comments. >>> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 18:19:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5NMInb05476; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c4596f$f0339210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: date correction for GUITAR LOOPFEST it is WED, JUNE 30th!!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:17:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Guitar Live Looping Minifest in Santa Cruz featuring ANDREAS WILLERS and BILL WALKER is on Wednesday, June 30th!. Please forgive my brainfart on the first announcement. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 20:26:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O0P8q23422; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40DA1F3F.8050301@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:24:31 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Digitech 2120 (has 10 sec looper) and other music gear References: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-W9xNB.A.VtF.G9h2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, Just so you know, the RP21D is really a 2120 in a floor pedal (like a Control 1). MusicGoRound has one for $150. I know you dig trying new stuff, but if the rack space was what kept you from keeping this gear (I love my 2112/20) then maybe you'd want the RP. Glad to see you couldn't keep away from Loopers Delight either. Best Kevin Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, spring cleaning is here so a few of my favorite things must go.. > > Digitech 2120 artist with Control 1 controller. $475 plus shipping. > > I LOVE this thing. Great real tube guitar tone and great effects. > Good in front of an amp, or sans amp. (I've not used it with a > guitar amp in years and if anyone's seen me perform it's the main > guitar processor I've used since 97) Only I find that it's rack > nature is keeping me from getting out to jam with people. I've got > the rack deeply installed in my studio so it takes like a half an > hour to disconnect and go. It's in really good shape, except for the > 3rd data write knob slips a bit when using it. No big deal, you just > have to make sure you go slower when you use it. Used mostly in my > smoke free studio. It's got some cosmetic scratches, but nothing > big. As a bonus for you, it's not the ugly purple one, but an > upgraded 2112 (no difference sonically): From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 23 21:20:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O1JLu30557; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40DA1F3F.8050301@minds-eye.org> References: <20040622015156.OTVK24844.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> <40DA1F3F.8050301@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A66294C-C57C-11D8-B82E-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: FS: Digitech 2120 (has 10 sec looper) and other music gear Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:16:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <6WhsXC.A.5TH.aui2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The RP21 is a good idea, but the rack unit has dual processors so you don't get a glitch when changing patches which is kind of annoying. I think the 2120's got a lot more delay memory for looping and a bunch of other features. $150 is a good deal though, maybe as a back up.... I actually already bought a Vox Tonelab SE and I'm pretty happy with it. It doesn't have nearly the depth the 2120 has, but it does the basics and actually gets me a vintage Fender type sound I could never quiet get with the digitech gear. The Digitech is more "Hi-fi" sounding, the Vox more "vintage" sounding. I do find myself using more and more traditional guitar sounding sounds the deeper I get into synthesis. I love the combination. Here it is anyway: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3732522393 Mark On Jun 23, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 00:47:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O4joJ26941; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:35:22 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Laptopalooza, 6.26.04 Cambridge MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3cfZ2D.A.ejG.3wl2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Disappointed by the cancellation of Lollapalooza, come to Laptopalooza this Saturday Night. Its much cheaper (only $5), a lot odder, and mosh-pit free. (I suppose I don't really fit, as I use 4 DVD players and no laptop, but if the metaphor fits, wear it.) The show is at 8PM, and runs til about 11. It's at the Masonic Hall, 1950 Mass Ave, Cambridge. Red Line, Porter Square T Stop. The Performers are: Marcus Sterzer, Sound Propulsion Labs, Brittney Sparse, Black Soil Project, Quandry, Cosmosuave or see http://www.crtdot.com/ableton_tour/laptopalooza.pdf for the poster. Admission $5. We'll be holding a raffle to win a copy of ABLETON LIVE. And we'll be giving away free stuff. Hope to see some of you there. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 00:50:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O4nd927471; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:49:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:49:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040624044915.53992.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: 16 Second delay is at Musictoyz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2C51C0DE-C562-11D8-B82E-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should clarify I did NOT order from Music Toyz but from this place: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/ Paolo --- msottilaro wrote: > Has anyone else ordered from this company? > > Mark > > On Jun 23, 2004, at 8:03 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > I wonder why there's no mention of what the MIDI > Out > > port on the right side of the pedal does. An > > oversight? I recall Ron Neely mentioning MIDI > clock > > out, but it's not in this particular product > > description. > > > > Well, if 12 were released to the store, I suppose > mine > > is on its way soon? ;) > > > > Paolo > > > > --- msottilaro wrote: > >> Wow, it looks good to me... if only it midi synch > >> I'd buy one in a > >> heartbeat. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Shane Whitbread > wrote: > >> > >>> http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php > >>> > >>> I think the third switch looks terrible. No > other > >> comments. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 01:36:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O5ZDC01754; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040623223528.037aa508@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:42:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP AND FC7 Problems In-Reply-To: <002c01c45951$2b3bf830$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> References: <002c01c45951$2b3bf830$0302a8c0@arthurleelaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should probably just change the switches. They are cheap and easy to get. The Echoplex footpedal tutorial on the LD website lists the part numbers: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html As for your other problem, it sounds to me like you have quantize on but don't realize it. Try turning it off. If you want quantize on for some other reason, you can always break out of the quantizing by pressing the function a second time. kim At 11:37 AM 6/23/2004, ARTHUR LEE LAND wrote: >It's just a very short blank space at the end of the multiplied cycle. > >As far as the FC7 do I change switches or just clean it? > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 01:54:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O5rT603791; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040623224316.037b86b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:00:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling In-Reply-To: <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really don't see how oversampling would matter to you at all. It is a technique used in designing D/A convertors to make the anti-aliasing filter requirements easier to implement. (as the link you gave explains). It doesn't mean anything to the user. It doesn't even mean much to an engineer designing with a given D/A convertor part since the filters are usually integrated. The anti-alias filter characteristics are the important thing to care about. Oversampling doesn't guarantee that the anti-alias filter is good or bad, and if oversampling is not used you can still get equally good audio results with higher order filters. It really doesn't tell you anything by itself. Companies list oversampling in audio specs because it sounds good to most people who are clueless as to what it means, but really it's just bullshit. kim At 02:29 PM 6/23/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Curious. All the Akai and Yamaha samplers mention oversampling in their >specs, and those are contemporaries of the EDP hardware. > >For more info see: http://www.earlevel.com/Digital%20Audio/Oversampling.html > >-J ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 02:31:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O6Tm709608; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040623232935.03791ef0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:36:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Undo questions In-Reply-To: <40D9F7B3.2020509@sun.com> References: <40D9F7B3.2020509@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:35 PM 6/23/2004, Jeff Larson wrote: >Say I record an initial loop, then within the first playback I drop in two >discrete overdubs. Pressing Long-Undo should then "remove the entire >last layer of sound added". > >Is the "layer" the entire loop containing both overdubs, yes >or >are the overdubs removed one at a time in reverse order? no. The layer is the whole pass. You could remove them one at a time in this case with Short-Undo. >Next, say I record an initial loop of 10 seconds. On playback I start >an Overdub at second 8 and let it continue for 4 seconds, spilling >over into another repetition of the loop. Now I press Long-Undo. > >Does the last layer contain just the second half of the overdub, or >will it remove all 4 seconds? Just the second half. If you do 2 long-undo's you would get both. (easier if you use MIDI so you don't have to actually hold the button down and can send that undo command directly.) >If it contains only the second half, will it fade the first half of >the overdub to prevent an audible pop? no, in that case there would not be a crossfade. I guess it is possible for a pop to happen then, although usually you have some other audio going underneath the overdub so it is not so likely to be audible. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 02:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O6aUa10452; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:36:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:36:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014301c459cf$2d6d0bc0$0200a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> <6.1.0.6.2.20040623224316.037b86b8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:39:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just curious since comparing the sound of an older Akai S2000 sampler against the sound of a newer S5000 sampler. Although both are 16-bit samplers, the older model sounds "grittier" when you pitch samples down or resample to a lower bandwidth. The EDP sounds gritty, too, when you shift into halfspeed. As I understood that article it was saying that during the D-A conversion the oversampling process was the interpolation of in-between samples into the signal to smooth the waveform out. Just trying to figure out what makes that sound sound the way it does. If you say it's the anti-aliasing filters that matter, then I believe you. Thanks for the info. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling > I really don't see how oversampling would matter to you at all. It is a > technique used in designing D/A convertors to make the anti-aliasing filter > requirements easier to implement. (as the link you gave explains). It > doesn't mean anything to the user. It doesn't even mean much to an engineer > designing with a given D/A convertor part since the filters are usually > integrated. > > The anti-alias filter characteristics are the important thing to care > about. Oversampling doesn't guarantee that the anti-alias filter is good or > bad, and if oversampling is not used you can still get equally good audio > results with higher order filters. It really doesn't tell you anything by > itself. > > Companies list oversampling in audio specs because it sounds good to most > people who are clueless as to what it means, but really it's just bullshit. > > kim > > At 02:29 PM 6/23/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >Curious. All the Akai and Yamaha samplers mention oversampling in their > >specs, and those are contemporaries of the EDP hardware. > > > >For more info see: http://www.earlevel.com/Digital%20Audio/Oversampling.html > > > >-J > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 03:31:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O7UVZ18485; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:30:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:30:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040624002645.04ee3fb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:36:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling In-Reply-To: <014301c459cf$2d6d0bc0$0200a8c0@yew> References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> <6.1.0.6.2.20040623224316.037b86b8@loopers-delight.com> <014301c459cf$2d6d0bc0$0200a8c0@yew> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Echoplex and the old sampler pitch change by really changing the sample rate on the D/A convertors. The newer sampler probably does it digitally by interpolation techniques or other DSP pitch-shift techniques, and maintains the same sample rate on the convertor. I don't think oversampling or the anti-alias filtering would have anything to do with the effect you are hearing. Oversampling isn't "smoothing out" the waveform. It is a mathematical technique that spreads out the aliased frequency bands so they aren't right next to each other. That makes it simpler to filter out the aliased bands with a less-complex low-pass filter with a gentler slope. kim At 02:39 AM 6/24/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >I was just curious since comparing the sound of an older Akai S2000 sampler >against the sound of a newer S5000 sampler. Although both are 16-bit >samplers, the older model sounds "grittier" when you pitch samples down or >resample to a lower bandwidth. The EDP sounds gritty, too, when you shift >into halfspeed. > >As I understood that article it was saying that during the D-A conversion >the oversampling process was the interpolation of in-between samples into >the signal to smooth the waveform out. > >Just trying to figure out what makes that sound sound the way it does. If >you say it's the anti-aliasing filters that matter, then I believe you. >Thanks for the info. > >-J > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 04:27:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O8Jv324887; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040624090011.02801470@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:17:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP Undo questions In-Reply-To: <200406240731.i5O7VRC18584@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406240731.i5O7VRC18584@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_rp84.A.DDG.R5o2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:31 24/06/04, you wrote: >At 02:35 PM 6/23/2004, Jeff Larson wrote: >>Say I record an initial loop, then within the first playback I drop in two >>discrete overdubs. Pressing Long-Undo should then "remove the entire >>last layer of sound added". >> >>Is the "layer" the entire loop containing both overdubs, > >yes > >>or >>are the overdubs removed one at a time in reverse order? > >no. The layer is the whole pass. You could remove them one at a time in >this case with Short-Undo. to be clearer, Short-Undo removes the latest overdub from the time that Undo was pressed, to the "beginning" of the loop . so if you record a phrase, and hit a wrong note at the end, you can hit Short-Undo just before the last note, and erase only that note so your case, hitting Short Undo between the 2 overdubs you just made would just erase the second one >>Next, say I record an initial loop of 10 seconds. On playback I start >>an Overdub at second 8 and let it continue for 4 seconds, spilling >>over into another repetition of the loop. Now I press Long-Undo. >> >>Does the last layer contain just the second half of the overdub, or >>will it remove all 4 seconds? > >Just the second half. If you do 2 long-undo's you would get both. (easier >if you use MIDI so you don't have to actually hold the button down and can >send that undo command directly.) > >>If it contains only the second half, will it fade the first half of >>the overdub to prevent an audible pop? > >no, in that case there would not be a crossfade. I guess it is possible >for a pop to happen then, although usually you have some other audio going >underneath the overdub so it is not so likely to be audible. > >kim If you use Multiply (with Quantise=OFF) for just one loop to add your overdubs then you can overdub over exactly one loop, and redefine the Loop Start Point at the same time. Then you can always get rid of that "overdub" with one Long-Undo andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 04:29:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5O8Rxc25953; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:27:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 08:27:55.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[25CFC7E0:01C459C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me if this venue is kid-friendly? I have no sitters available for my 5 & 10 year old daughters, but would love to come. >At 7:01 PM +0100 6/22/04, Os wrote: >>A reminder that this Saturday sees the Second Annual Cambridge >>Festival of Looping. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.706 / Virus Database: 462 - Release Date: 14/06/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 08:11:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OC4pb26504; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:04:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:04:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040624002645.04ee3fb0@loopers-delight.com> References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> <6.1.0.6.2.20040623224316.037b86b8@loopers-delight.com> <014301c459cf$2d6d0bc0$0200a8c0@yew> <6.1.0.6.2.20040624002645.04ee3fb0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:09:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Fw: EDP Oversampling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <18EPBC.A.vaG.mMs2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Jesse is making a good point there. I had not understood he was asking about the HalfSpeed feature. Since the EDP does it by lowering the sample rate of the D/A it may sound less clean than with interpolation at full sample rate. And its not so wrong to call this process Oversampling. I dont quite understand the thing about the older sampler though, since it needs to change the sample rate for each note you play simultaneously, so its not possible adapt the D/A convertor rate as the EDP does. Probably they use a simple interpolation in the old model. >The Echoplex and the old sampler pitch change by really changing the >sample rate on the D/A convertors. The newer sampler probably does >it digitally by interpolation techniques or other DSP pitch-shift >techniques, and maintains the same sample rate on the convertor. I >don't think oversampling or the anti-alias filtering would have >anything to do with the effect you are hearing. > >Oversampling isn't "smoothing out" the waveform. It is a >mathematical technique that spreads out the aliased frequency bands >so they aren't right next to each other. That makes it simpler to >filter out the aliased bands with a less-complex low-pass filter >with a gentler slope. > >kim > >At 02:39 AM 6/24/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >>I was just curious since comparing the sound of an older Akai S2000 sampler >>against the sound of a newer S5000 sampler. Although both are 16-bit >>samplers, the older model sounds "grittier" when you pitch samples down or >>resample to a lower bandwidth. The EDP sounds gritty, too, when you shift >>into halfspeed. >> >>As I understood that article it was saying that during the D-A conversion >>the oversampling process was the interpolation of in-between samples into >>the signal to smooth the waveform out. >> >>Just trying to figure out what makes that sound sound the way it does. If >>you say it's the anti-aliasing filters that matter, then I believe you. >>Thanks for the info. >> >>-J >> > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 08:17:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OCH0O28053; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1088079387!15662680 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344C4@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 16 Second delay is at Musictoyz Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:14:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C459E4.C9610210" Resent-Message-ID: <2ODhCC.A.f1G.gYs2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>Has anyone else ordered from this company?<<= ;

I ordered mine through ron, who's been keeping me informe= d of progress. today I received a word-doc of the manual, which I am about = to peruse. more later...

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C459E4.C9610210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 08:24:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OCNdv28773; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:23:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:23:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1088079656!15992368 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344C5@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 16 Second delay Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:18:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C459E5.6C363050" Resent-Message-ID: <9U9OIB.A.1AH.fes2AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C459E5.6C363050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" a-hah. here y'go: >>23. MIDI OUT Jack - The 16 Second Delay generates MIDI Clock, MIDI Start and MIDI Stop commands. MIDI CLOCK: The MIDI Clock signal is based on the 16 Second's internal tempo and is output through the MIDI OUT Jack at all times. The internal tempo of the 16 Second Delay is determined by the FINE Slider. The MIDI Clock signal can be used by any other device that accepts MIDI Clock. Hook up your 16 Second's MIDI OUT Jack to the MIDI In of another device using a standard MIDI cable. You will then be able to sync a sequencer, drum machine, or other MIDI devices to the 16 Second Delay. The 16 Second Delay does not slave to MIDI Clock coming from another device. MIDI START & STOP: When a loop is started by hitting the PLAY Footswitch or a new one is created by hitting the RECORD Footswitch, a MIDI Start command is sent out of the MIDI OUT Jack. When a loop is stopped by hitting the PLAY Footswitch again, a MIDI Stop command is sent out of the MIDI OUT Jack. These commands will start and stop a sequencer or drum machine.<< d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C459E5.6C363050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 16 Second delay

a-hah. here y'go:

>>23. MIDI OUT Jack - The 16 Second Delay generates= MIDI Clock, MIDI Start and MIDI Stop commands.

MIDI CLOCK: The MIDI Clock signal is based on the 16 Seco= nd's internal tempo and is output through the MIDI OUT Jack at all times. T= he internal tempo of the 16 Second Delay is determined by the FINE Slider. = The MIDI Clock signal can be used by any other device that accepts MIDI Clo= ck. Hook up your 16 Second's MIDI OUT Jack to the MIDI In of another device= using a standard MIDI cable. You will then be able to sync a sequencer, dr= um machine, or other MIDI devices to the 16 Second Delay. The 16 Second Del= ay does not slave to MIDI Clock coming from another device.

MIDI START & STOP: When a loop is started by hitting = the PLAY Footswitch or a new one is created by hitting the RECORD Footswitc= h, a MIDI Start command is sent out of the MIDI OUT Jack. When a loop is st= opped by hitting the PLAY Footswitch again, a MIDI Stop command is sent out= of the MIDI OUT Jack. These commands will start and stop a sequencer or dr= um machine.<<

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C459E5.6C363050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 10:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OEa0816124; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344C5@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344C5@LON-MAIL07> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1AFBDC30-C5EC-11D8-8F00-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: 16 Second delay Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:38:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, good info. Could you post the whole Word doc somewhere? Maybe save it as a text file? Hell, I'd host it. Mark On Jun 24, 2004, at 5:18 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > a-hah. here y'go: > > >>23. MIDI OUT Jack - The 16 Second Delay generates MIDI Clock, MIDI > Start and MIDI Stop commands. > > MIDI CLOCK: The MIDI Clock signal is based on the 16 Second's > internal tempo and is output through the MIDI OUT Jack at all times. > The internal tempo of the 16 Second Delay is determined by the FINE > Slider. The MIDI Clock signal can be used by any other device that > accepts MIDI Clock. Hook up your 16 Second's MIDI OUT Jack to the MIDI > In of another device using a standard MIDI cable. You will then be > able to sync a sequencer, drum machine, or other MIDI devices to the > 16 Second Delay. The 16 Second Delay does not slave to MIDI Clock > coming from another device. > > MIDI START & STOP: When a loop is started by hitting the PLAY > Footswitch or a new one is created by hitting the RECORD Footswitch, a > MIDI Start command is sent out of the MIDI OUT Jack. When a loop is > stopped by hitting the PLAY Footswitch again, a MIDI Stop command is > sent out of the MIDI OUT Jack. These commands will start and stop a > sequencer or drum machine.<< > > d. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > > *********************************************************************** > **** > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 17:48:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OLkoI21374; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40DB4A21.6050901@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:39:45 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #378 for June 17, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ccjfC.A.xCF.Ft02AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040617.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #378 June 17, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Sequences magazine, The Featured CD at Midnight was disc one of two compilation discs that came with issue 27. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Grand Polyphonie" by Bayle on G.R.M. Records. PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Bayle Notes répétées Grand Polyphonie (G.R.M.) Rogue Element Falls the Shadow Premonition (Acoustic Wave) Paul Ellis Shining The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Mojave Wind Curse-chill Ricochet Gathering - Mojave 2003 (Ricochet Dream) Source Code X Sleep Till... Codex Hypnos (EER-music) The Amaranth Signal Echoes from the Well Penumbra (none) 12:00 am VA[Steve Roach] 1992 Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[Rainbow Serpent] Desert Move Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[Cosmic Hoffman] The Gate of Bihar Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[Boots & Aerts] Sequences Piece Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[Keller&Schonwalder] Virtual World Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[AirSculpture] Cement Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[vidnaObmana] Recoils Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[Syndromeda] Intermezzo Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 VA[Artemiy Artemiev] Beyond the Bounds of Sequences No. 27, disc 1 of 2 Reality * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Sequences Magazine which includes a compilation CD with each issue. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from Sequences issue number 27, disc two of a two disc set. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Memory Metropis" by Clara Mondshine on IC Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 18:10:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OM9xJ31937; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:09:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040624220937.38569.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:09:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: 16 Second delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085344C5@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > a-hah. here y'go: Thanks, Goddard! Sounds like it will do what I'd like it to do - be a MIDI master with my XL-7 as a slave. Perhaps even my Micromodular as another slave. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 18:14:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OMCTf00341; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:13:25 -0400 From: Mountain Man Subject: portable recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40DB5205.E3C44A04@cloud9.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200406240731.i5O7VR418589@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'm going to "guitar camp" in August, and would like to purchase a portable multi-track recorder to take with me. I'm looking for something that's very portable, has the ability to store/record quite a bit of material (if it doesn't have removable media), a built-in mic, and multi-tracking (4 tracks would be nice). It doesn't need to provide studio-quality sound, as long as it's very usable for jamming, and musical "note taking". Of course, some looping capability would be ideal, but isn't essential :) Can folks recommend specific models or make general comments on the types of technology that I should look at? Thanks very much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 24 18:48:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OMltb12795; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:47:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <85.f2a59d0.2e0cb3ca@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:46:34 EDT Subject: Re: portable recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/24/04 3:12:18 PM, mtman@cloud9.net writes: << Can folks recommend specific models or make general comments on the types of technology that I should look at? >> Hi I have gotten good mileage out of the Zoom PS02 palmtop studio. More like a 3 track, it was clumsy at stereo recording but great at mono. It uses smart media cards for storage which can upload as .wav or .aiff into a computer. You may be able to find it on sale as a closeout because now there is the Zoom PS04. I haven't used one yet but it seems they have improved on the PS02. The PS04 will run 4 tracks with decent stereo record capability. It also has a ton of guityar fx, amp models and drum patterns. The price is reasonable and it is very very portable. I will probably get one when my PS02 gives up the ghost. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 13:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PHaZe27701; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040625173514.70650.qmail@web14523.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Newman Subject: Original Oberheim vs Current Gibson version To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am looking at a used original Oberheim version of the Echoplex Digital Pro. What would the differences be between that version and the current ones that Gibson sells. I have searched evereywhere but can't find any breakdown or version history. Any help would be hugely appreciated - gotta decide if it's a good deal or not. And if anyone wants to state what they think a good price on an original EDF with foot switch - I'm all ears.... thx again. d __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 14:23:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PILl811349; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:21:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:21:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.42.255.89] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson version EDP noise Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:20:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2004 18:20:42.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[203DD0C0:01C45AE1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to have some hiss on the loops Is this common? Thanks >From: Dan Newman >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Original Oberheim vs Current Gibson version >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) > >I am looking at a used original Oberheim version of >the Echoplex Digital Pro. > >What would the differences be between that version and >the current ones that Gibson sells. I have searched >evereywhere but can't find any breakdown or version >history. > >Any help would be hugely appreciated - gotta decide if >it's a good deal or not. And if anyone wants to state >what they think a good price on an original EDF with >foot switch - I'm all ears.... >thx again. >d > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 14:48:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PIjdk18724; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c45afe$25653800$0200a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Gibson version EDP noise Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:48:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <3UBWfD.A.yeE.RKH3AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to slander our beloved EDP, but mine hisses like a mofo. Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go direct in, or through a preamp. I've can have a healthy green light on the input signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem to have mad hiss to them. Not the direct signal, just the loop playback. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Gibson version EDP noise > I seem to have some hiss on the loops Is this common? > Thanks > > > >From: Dan Newman > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Original Oberheim vs Current Gibson version > >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I am looking at a used original Oberheim version of > >the Echoplex Digital Pro. > > > >What would the differences be between that version and > >the current ones that Gibson sells. I have searched > >evereywhere but can't find any breakdown or version > >history. > > > >Any help would be hugely appreciated - gotta decide if > >it's a good deal or not. And if anyone wants to state > >what they think a good price on an original EDF with > >foot switch - I'm all ears.... > >thx again. > >d > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 14:59:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PIvnB23158; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:57:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.42.255.89] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson version EDP noise Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:56:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2004 18:56:29.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FE1B4C0:01C45AE6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's what I suspected. I run direct or w/ my SansAmp rack either at 0db or -10db & it's there. Bummer :( >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" >Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" >To: <> >Subject: Re: Gibson version EDP noise >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:48:26 -0700 > >Not to slander our beloved EDP, but mine hisses like a mofo. > >Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go direct >in, or through a preamp. I've can have a healthy green light on the input >signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem to >have mad hiss to them. Not the direct signal, just the loop playback. > >-J > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Louis Rossi" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:20 AM >Subject: RE: Gibson version EDP noise > > > > I seem to have some hiss on the loops Is this common? > > Thanks > > > > > > >From: Dan Newman > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Original Oberheim vs Current Gibson version > > >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I am looking at a used original Oberheim version of > > >the Echoplex Digital Pro. > > > > > >What would the differences be between that version and > > >the current ones that Gibson sells. I have searched > > >evereywhere but can't find any breakdown or version > > >history. > > > > > >Any help would be hugely appreciated - gotta decide if > > >it's a good deal or not. And if anyone wants to state > > >what they think a good price on an original EDF with > > >foot switch - I'm all ears.... > > >thx again. > > >d > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 15:15:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PJEod30268; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c45ae8$6b568000$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: New Steve Lawson album MP3 previews and ordering... Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:12:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, my new solo album will be out on August 6th! It's called 'Grace And Gratitude', and is another all solo bass/live looping album - no additional overdubs, all done with two EDPs, two Lexicon MPX-G2s and a Korg KP II. There are some MP3s up on my site from it - head to http://www.stevelawson.net/store/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=34 - where you can also find ordering details. If you order it in advance of the release date, there's a second exclusive disc of solo material, called 'Lessons Learned From An Aged Feline Pt II'. Let me know what you think of the MP3s.... I've got a load of England and Scotland dates coming up in August to coincide with the release - please check the gigs page on my site for more info... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 15:27:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PJP9i02325; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200406251848.i5PImHb19802@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406251848.i5PImHb19802@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E49505A-C6DB-11D8-A0F5-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: brian.hamlin@blueyonder.co.uk From: Os Subject: Re: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:11:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sure - it's a no-smoking cafe, in an old church http://www.michaelhouse.org.uk/ we've not prepared a child price though! I guess I didn't think any would come. I'm sure we can sort something out though. cheers, os. On 25 Jun 2004, at 19:48, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Brian Hamlin" > Date: 24 June 2004 09:27:53 BST > To: > Subject: RE: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (26th) > > > Can anyone tell me if this venue is kid-friendly? I have no sitters > available for my 5 & 10 year old daughters, but would love to come. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 18:01:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5PM0LZ10060; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c4583a$847d2d00$0200a8c0@yew> <004501c45969$2fb27840$0200a8c0@yew> <6.1.0.6.2.20040623224316.037b86b8@loopers-delight.com> <014301c459cf$2d6d0bc0$0200a8c0@yew> <6.1.0.6.2.20040624002645.04ee3fb0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: EDP Oversampling Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:58:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <8Nf06D.A.7XC.-AK3AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 24, 2004, at 5:09 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > I think Jesse is making a good point there. I had not understood he > was asking about the HalfSpeed feature. Since the EDP does it by > lowering the sample rate of the D/A it may sound less clean than with > interpolation at full sample rate. And its not so wrong to call this > process Oversampling. Actually, I feel that slowing the stream down sounds much smoother than interpolation. the HalfSpeed feature is something that actually makes me wish i hadn't sold my Echoplexen. there, i said it. before that Kim Flint said: >> The Echoplex and the old sampler pitch change by really changing the >> sample rate on the D/A convertors. they both interpolate samples, instead of slowing/speeding the D/A conversion. there hasn't been an Akai that re-pitched the D/As since the S612, and not an E-Mu since the Emulator III keyboard (the rackmount used interpolation and digital filtering.) which was in response to Jesse Ray Lucas saying: >>> I was just curious since comparing the sound of an older Akai S2000 >>> sampler >>> against the sound of a newer S5000 sampler. Although both are 16-bit >>> samplers, the older model sounds "grittier" when you pitch samples >>> down or >>> resample to a lower bandwidth. The EDP sounds gritty, too, when you >>> shift >>> into halfspeed. I would assume the S5000 sounds cleaner because it has better convertors, better interpolation, better summing math. i've owned both, and i don't regret the upgrade one bit. the S5000 could be the best 16/44 sampler ever, it's probably the last sampler i'll ever buy. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 25 21:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5Q1DNJ18477; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c45b1a$bb5c6b50$6400a8c0@toshi> From: "CM" To: References: <009801c45ae8$6b568000$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Subject: Re: New Steve Lawson album MP3 previews and ordering... Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:12:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "CM" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "Grace and Gratitude" track (and title) sticks in my mind and ears like tasty glue. Cass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: New Steve Lawson album MP3 previews and ordering... > Hi all, > > my new solo album will be out on August 6th! It's called 'Grace And > Gratitude', and is another all solo bass/live looping album - no additional > overdubs, all done with two EDPs, two Lexicon MPX-G2s and a Korg KP II. > > There are some MP3s up on my site from it - head to > http://www.stevelawson.net/store/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=34 - > where you can also find ordering details. If you order it in advance of the > release date, there's a second exclusive disc of solo material, called > 'Lessons Learned From An Aged Feline Pt II'. > > Let me know what you think of the MP3s.... > > I've got a load of England and Scotland dates coming up in August to > coincide with the release - please check the gigs page on my site for more > info... > > cheers! > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 02:37:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5Q6aB919456; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:25:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: LiveLooping music wins Jazz price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bruno Amstad wins with his solo voice looping show, over the brilliant piano trio of Collin Vallon and the traditional septet Mats Up in Zürich! Although Bruno is known for his work in the Jazz scene (Christy Doran...), I find this remarkable, since his show had tipical LiveLooping character, rather than traditional Jazz. He uses a JamMan and a Repeater and moves between them, balancing out heavy rhythmic parts and spheric clusters, with extremely colorfull solos, all done totally live, just with voice and microphone (and hitting his chest)! the mp3 page on his site sais "under construction", but its nice anyway: http://www.brunoamstad.ch the sponsoring banks press release in german: http://www.zkb.ch/zkb/presse/pdf/jazzpreis2004.pdf ...where it sais: ... during years he developped a form of musical performance which is unique in the world. While other artists are dominated by their tools, Amstad virtuosly rules over his "electronical helpers". He creates "listen-movies" that call associations in the listener... well, for us it does not sound so totally unique, but they may never have heard of LiveLooping before... we did not tell them... yet... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 10:37:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5QEaAJ18729; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:36:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.43] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sound hole cover for loops Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:35:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 14:35:42.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBFD6DD0:01C45B8A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guy and gals. I guess this is a slightly OT post, basically i wondered if any of you have had any experiance using electro acoustic guitar with a sound hole cover? Its funny, I cant find ANYWHERE that sells them , yet nearly every bg artist I have seen using acoustics ( howie day, Richard Ashcroft, Sting!!!) seems to have one fitted. Is it something they are keeping to them selves. the reason I belive I need one is that when I last took my acoustic guitar to do some loops at my regular slot, (where I usually use an electric) all my loops where ruined by intermitent feedback, I tried to use it as an "effect" but in the end it just sounded crap. could anyone recomemd anywhere in the uk where I could pick one up and if any of you use one could you tell me how it effects the sound and how good they are at stopping feedback. thanks Phill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 13:12:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5QHBXE12098; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:11:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <44C4A9B0-C794-11D8-8F00-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: sound hole cover for loops Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:14:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040626100925069106224009665787/ g=home/search/detail/base_pid/420180/ On Jun 26, 2004, at 7:35 AM, lol c wrote: > Hey guy and gals. > > I guess this is a slightly OT post, > > basically i wondered if any of you have had any experiance using > electro acoustic guitar with a sound hole cover? > > Its funny, I cant find ANYWHERE that sells them , yet nearly every bg > artist I have seen using acoustics ( howie day, Richard Ashcroft, > Sting!!!) seems to have one fitted. > Is it something they are keeping to them selves. > > the reason I belive I need one is that when I last took my acoustic > guitar to do some loops at my regular slot, (where I usually use an > electric) all my loops where ruined by intermitent feedback, I tried > to use it as an "effect" but in the end it just sounded crap. > > could anyone recomemd anywhere in the uk where I could pick one up and > if any of you use one could you tell me how it effects the sound and > how good they are at stopping feedback. > > thanks > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 14:31:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5QITrJ06899; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40DDBF85.8080101@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:25:09 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for June 26, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040626.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #48 June 26, 2004. On today's show, I played music from Orphan Project who will be playing at the New Jersey Proghouse tonight. I also played music from Erik Norlander who will play there on July 30. Land of Chocolate will appear there on July 30, too, as well as at the Sterling Hotel on July 9 with Pinnalce and Pilot Round the Sun as a NEARfest preshow special. New Jersey Proghouse - http://njproghouse.com NEARfest - http://nearfest.com Orphan Project - http://www.orphanfound.com/home.php Erik Norlander - http://www.eriknorlander.com Land of Chocolate - http://www.landofchocolate.net Pinnacle - http://everything2xs.com Pilot Round the Sun - http://www.pilotroundthesun.com/home.cfm The Sterling Hotel - http://www.thesterlinghotel.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Neuronium Profundus Hydro (Valley Entertainment) VA [Schoeder, Boots, Sequencraut E-dition #1 Sampler and Van Der Heijden] Paul Ellis Blue Heron The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis The Still Center of a The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Turning World Dino Pacifici Epilogue The Float Zone (Scorpio Rising) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Sarah Brightman In Paradisum Eden (Angel) Sarah Brightman Eden Eden (Angel) Golana Cerro Noroeste Lone Pine Canyon (Spring Hill) Ann Sweeten Tomorrow's Dream Passage (Orange Band) Michael Atkinson Gaelic Heart Gaelic Heart (White Cloud) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Orphan Project Chosen Orphan Found (Orphan Project) Orphan Project Full But Lonely Orphan Found (Orphan Project) Pinnacle Unsung Hero A Man's Reach... (Everything To Excess) Land of Chocolate Self Control Unikorn On the Cob (Slipt Disc) Erik Norlander Tour of the Sprawl Music Machine (Avalon) Erik Norlander Andromeda Music Machine (Avalon) Ozric Tentacles Chewier Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in one week on July 3. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 18:48:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5QMkQO14793; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c45bd0$b4440ba0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Interweaver with Boudicca II Visuals Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:55:40 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you ever visited the PiNG's Events page to see the photos from recent shows? http://www.theambientping.com/events.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday June 29th - Interweaver with Boudicca II Visuals This evening at the PiNG features Toronto-based electronic composer Leif Bloomquist (Interweaver, Schema Factor), who will be performing a rare electro-Ambient improvisation. To start the evening, the first set will suspend the listener in a mixture of liquid fractal drones interspersed with crystalized samples. The second set will delve into deeper, darker themes, overlaid with a lattice of shadowy beats. Projected impressions will be provided by Boudicca II Visuals. http://www.leifbloomquist.net Between Sets CD - "amplexus" by Obmana / Brennan / Roach This Projekt release compiles three 20-minute ambient works originally commisioned for the Amplexus 3-inch CD series. The pieces are by vidnaObmana, Thom Brennan & Steve Roach. http://www.vidnaobmana.be http://www.thombrennan.com http://www.steveroach.com http://www.projekt.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming July 6th - Drinking Box http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/leark/ Between Sets CD - "Fissures" by Robert Rich and Alio Die http://www.robertrich.com http://www.aliodie.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure" is a very impressive collection of songs by Brian McWilliams performing under the name of Aperus. Travelling along roads of both light and dark ambient, Brian has created a fantastic release well worth further study. "Dark Moon (initiation)" brings to mind a sense of ceremony and ritual performed under night skies. Rumbling and shaking tones play beneath a steady simple melody of rather foreboding sounds. "Magnetism" in contrast is a much brighter track, a beautiful piano melody played over a steady drone. Simply beautiful, bringing to mind the twinkling of stars in the night sky. Wonderful. "Echo Canyon" features floating percussive tones slowly swaying through the soundscape, drifting tones passing like water, the call of a buoy, metal on metal scraping against each other. Submarine sounds, underwater at night. Slowly giving way to more fluid tones, a greater organicism. A stirring piece. "Radiant" floats above the ground, gently moving back and forth through the clouds, tones effortlessly melting into each other. Wonderful work. "Vanishing Terrain" brings a sense of mystery, subtle tones play throughout, interspersed by more mechanical noises, sounds, pulses. A sense of beauty being lost, replaced by something less organic, more constructed. Slowly the organic elements begin to win over, taking dominance between the two, creating a blend, a synthesis. Packaged in a DVD case along with a series of beautiful photographs which inspired the music, "Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure" is an excellent introduction to the work of Aperus, and is sure to delight fans of the ambient genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 19:51:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5QNoO923813; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <104.49fedab3.2e0f65a7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:49:59 EDT Subject: OT, Nokie Edwards (of the Ventures) sighting in Southern Oregon. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5QNo6h23730 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This may be annoyingly off topic for some of you. But, I imagine Stan(itarium) Card will get a chuckle out of it . . . and so will any of the rest of you who are closet "surf" guitar fans. A small local chain of hardware stores in my area was celebrating its 120th anniversary in business this week with a parking lot concert by Ventures guitarist Nokie Edwards (who's got to be in his 70s at least) at the location only 2 blocks from my abode. Imagine my glee at having the opportunity to walk not run . . . lol . . . around the corner and down the street and hear a really fine musician play a lot of old an new material (Pipeline, Wipeout, Diamond Head, Hawaii Five-0 and other classics of the genre) as well as covers including a Clapton tune. It also turns out that Nokie has turned into a rather superior county instrumentalist over the years (a la the late Chet Atkins) believe it or not. I was blown away by his blistering "chicken pickin" and almost Les Paul-like finesse. I hope I can play so well when I've reached that age. I feel like an old fart at 51 already. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 21:53:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R1qq111870; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:52:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:52:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040626183804.05511a90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:00:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Original Oberheim vs Current Gibson version In-Reply-To: <20040625173514.70650.qmail@web14523.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040625173514.70650.qmail@web14523.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:35 AM 6/25/2004, Dan Newman wrote: >I am looking at a used original Oberheim version of >the Echoplex Digital Pro. > >What would the differences be between that version and >the current ones that Gibson sells. I have searched >evereywhere but can't find any breakdown or version >history. The new one is black. Also it comes with LoopIV software and the full memory possible. And it has a better manual. The older one might have LoopIV if the person before you upgraded it, but chances are it has LoopIII. You can easily get the upgrade from the Aurisis web site: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html It may or may not have full memory, depends on when it was made and whether somebody upgraded it or not. Also, there have been various little hardware changes over the years, usually for some reliability reason. For example in the original ones the power supply made it get quite hot, but that was changed at some point and now they don't really get hot at all. here are some posts from the archive explaining differences: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200207/msg00622.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200302/msg00538.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 22:20:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R2Iuv16236; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040626181417.050a2340@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:25:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson version EDP noise In-Reply-To: <002301c45afe$25653800$0200a8c0@yew> References: <002301c45afe$25653800$0200a8c0@yew> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:48 PM 6/25/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go direct >in, or through a preamp. I've can have a healthy green light on the input >signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem to >have mad hiss to them. probably your gains are set wrong. Turn the input up higher, and the output lower to compensate. If it isn't clipping or the limiter isn't obviously kicking in, you have more headroom to use. Make sure you are using the loop path for setting gains, as it has less dynamic range than the direct. If you don't use the full dynamic range, the noise floor ends up sounding relatively louder. That is probably what you are experiencing. >Not the direct signal, just the loop playback. The digital path (of anything usually) has less dynamic range than the analog path, and so will have a higher relative noise floor when compared to the analog path. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 26 23:09:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R38MK26415; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406270220.i5R2KA316346@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406270220.i5R2KA316346@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <367C33B8-C7E7-11D8-9968-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: sound hole cover for loops Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:08:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They work by muting the vibration of the top a bit, so the sound does suffer a bit. I never found them terribly effective, and once I started using magnetic soundhole pickups it wasn't an option. Fortunately, those pickups are less prone to feedback by design (at the loss of some other sonic attributes). Automatic feedback filters have become quite good in the last few years. I use the Yamaha AG Stomp, which has that and a bunch of other useful features for the electroacoustic musician. You can find them new for $299, or on the lower end of $200 on eBay. I also have the Behringer rackmount unit, which worked well, but took up too much space. The front panel doesn't offer much in the way of UI, but once you've got the thing properly setup, it works well. Boss also includes Feedback Eliminator in their acoustic preamp, and most of the GT floor units. It only affects one feedback point at a time though, whereas the Yamaha can handle 5 (although I've never had more than 2), and the Behringer does 12 or 24 or something insane. TravisH On Jun 26, 2004, at 7:20 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Hey guy and gals. > > I guess this is a slightly OT post, > > basically i wondered if any of you have had any experiance using > electro acoustic guitar with a sound hole cover? > > Its funny, I cant find ANYWHERE that sells them , yet nearly every bg > artist I have seen using acoustics ( howie day, Richard Ashcroft, > Sting!!!) seems to have one fitted. > Is it something they are keeping to them selves. > > the reason I belive I need one is that when I last took my acoustic > guitar to do some loops at my regular slot, (where I usually use an > electric) all my loops where ruined by intermitent feedback, I tried > to use it as an "effect" but in the end it just sounded crap. > > could anyone recomemd anywhere in the uk where I could pick one up and > if any of you use one could you tell me how it effects the sound and > how good they are at stopping feedback. > > thanks > > Phill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 02:00:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R5uH216847; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: EDP/MF availability Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:57:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45BEA.1B53FB20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:55:58 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45BEA.1B53FB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was surprised to see that Musician’s Friend just changed the ETA of the Echoplex Digital Pro from July 27th to June 26th. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45BEA.1B53FB20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 02:46:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R6hYI23332; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040627064305.98351.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: sound hole cover for loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200406270220.i5R2KA616347@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2Iv1rC.A.3rF._xm3AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phill, I use a rubber sound hole cover for my Ovation acoustic/electric. I got it direct from Ovation, as it needs to fit the unique hole size of an Ovation. I imagine that you can get them from your guitar manufacturer? When I was in Argentina, I noticed that several guitarists were using CD's bolted together to accomplish the same effect. When money is in short supply, imagination takes over. It seemed to work just fine for them. Stephen basically i wondered if any of you have had any experiance using electro acoustic guitar with a sound hole cover? could anyone recomemd anywhere in the uk where I could pick one up and if any of you use one could you tell me how it effects the sound and how good they are at stopping feedback. thanks Phill __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 03:01:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R70p126203; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40DE7096.6030609@finleysound.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:00:38 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EDP/MF availability References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <58FujB.A.YYG.XCn3AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance Zechinato wrote: > I was surprised to see that Musician?s Friend just changed the ETA of > the Echoplex Digital Pro from July 27th to June 26th. Good news for > those of us on the list who are awaiting our backordered EDPs. Didn?t > think I?d see mine till August at least. Here?s hoping mine/yours are > among that recent 150 shipped. Just a little heads up for people who ordered EDPs from MF. You might want to confirm that your order wasn't CANCELLED!! Apparently you need to respond to their backorder notices to let then know you still want the product. I didn't, and now I'm at the end of the backorder list!! Lovely. Six months of waiting down the drain. MF has 45 EDPs on order. Make that 46. As of today, MF has not received any EDPs. No new ETA is available. Matt -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 03:23:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R7Log31835; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021e01c45c17$65156280$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <40DE7096.6030609@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: EDP/MF availability Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:21:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just a little heads up for people who ordered EDPs from MF. You might > want to confirm that your order wasn't CANCELLED!! Apparently you need > to respond to their backorder notices to let then know you still want > the product. I didn't, and now I'm at the end of the backorder list!! > Lovely. Six months of waiting down the drain. I did respond to the notification I received by e-mail *and* by phone and they cancelled mine anyway. I called them up and told them that I wanted my order reinstated in the queue in the original order. They said they would do that but who knows if they did or if it's even possible. > MF has 45 EDPs on order. Make that 46. As of today, MF has not > received any EDPs. No new ETA is available. That's not that many considering that they have been advertising these as being available in every single catalog they've sent me in the past 6 months. I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't even get mine due to them screwing up and cancelling my order. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 03:49:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R7mwf02600; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:48:20 -0700 Subject: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <104.49fedab3.2e0f65a7@aol.com> Message-Id: <5BD8972E-C80E-11D8-8BA7-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f1c06b43f000f5e44251babf8f9b11cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.67.121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy I'm setting up my EDP again after a move and the footpedal record switch seems to be acting strange: it's become very difficult to simply trigger record or even clear the loop buffer. A single, short press will often just create a tiny loop instead of setting the recorder/timer rolling, and when I do manage to record a loop, holding the button to clear it often puts the EDP directly into record mode when I let go....it's like it's become ultra-sensitive and is on a hair trigger. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Or do I simply need to refine my foot technique? Appreciate any comments... dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 04:02:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R7xqk05124; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:59:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:59:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:59:31 -0800 Subject: Re: OT, Nokie Edwards (of the Ventures) sighting in Southern Oregon. From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <104.49fedab3.2e0f65a7@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5R7xgh05059 Resent-Message-ID: <-b2zr.A.SPB.v5n3AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, > > This may be annoyingly off topic for some of you. But, I imagine > Stan(itarium) Card will get a chuckle out of it . . . and so will any > of the rest of you who are closet "surf" guitar fans. > > A small local chain of hardware stores in my area was celebrating > its 120th anniversary in business this week with a parking lot > concert by Ventures guitarist Nokie Edwards (who's got to be > in his 70s at least) at the location only 2 blocks from my abode. > > Imagine my glee at having the opportunity to walk not run . . . > lol . . . around the corner and down the street and hear a really > fine musician play a lot of old an new material (Pipeline, Wipeout, > Diamond Head, Hawaii Five-0 and other classics of the genre) > as well as covers including a Clapton tune. > > It also turns out that Nokie has turned into a rather superior > county instrumentalist over the years (a la the late Chet Atkins) > believe it or not. I was blown away by his blistering "chicken > pickin" and almost Les Paul-like finesse. > > I hope I can play so well when I've reached that age. I feel like an > old fart at 51 already. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn wow ted how cool is that!!! i had the pleasure of meeting the man here in sf cali when the -the band i work w/, opened for the ventures a coupla years ago @ maritime hall. the ventures had finished their set and i told jimthomas(mermen mainman) that i wanted to meet nokie...so he drags me backstage and there are people everywhere. so i walked the length of the room and up on a riser sittin on a big chair w/ hordes surrounding him i went up, shook his hand and told him how influential a guitarist he was to me and many others...it was once in a lifetime type thing. i felt very lucky.(i think there was a halo around his head :-) seeya stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 04:02:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5R80MR05165; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c45c1c$bfa7c760$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <5BD8972E-C80E-11D8-8BA7-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:59:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > trigger record or even clear the loop buffer. A single, short press > will often just create a tiny loop instead of setting the ... This is a well-documented problem with the EDP footswitch. It's happened to me. You'll probably have to clean the contacts in the button but I recommend just getting a MIDI footswitch such as the Behringer FCB1010. The EDP pedal uses specific resistance values to trigger different functions. If the button contacts get dirty, the resistance could change and you could end up triggering the wrong thing or, in your case, a double-press. I don't even use mine anymore because it was becoming too unreliable (I have had both of the problems I mentioned). The FCB1010 works great and you can program it to do tons of things that you can't do with the EDP footswitch. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 06:25:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RAOVZ27074; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:24:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <104.49fedab3.2e0f65a7@aol.com> References: <104.49fedab3.2e0f65a7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0204F45D-C824-11D8-985C-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT, Nokie Edwards (of the Ventures) sighting in Southern Oregon. Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 05:23:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 26, 2004, at 6:49 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > This may be annoyingly off topic for some of you. But, I imagine > Stan(itarium) Card will get a chuckle out of it . . . and so will any > of the rest of you who are closet "surf" guitar fans. that's really cool. I just got to see Los Straitjackets play a free show here in central IL, they did a cruise with the Ventures a couple years ago. i put pics of the event here: http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/061204_sally_straitjacket/ --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 11:14:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RFBs805342; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: sound hole cover for loops Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:11:26 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c45c59$04cc2930$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040627064305.98351.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I used to play traditional jazz on an Ephiphone hollow body, I dropped black balloons inside the f-holes and blew them up. Worked great and didn't look weird. Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sound hole cover for loops Phill, I use a rubber sound hole cover for my Ovation acoustic/electric. I got it direct from Ovation, as it needs to fit the unique hole size of an Ovation. I imagine that you can get them from your guitar manufacturer? When I was in Argentina, I noticed that several guitarists were using CD's bolted together to accomplish the same effect. When money is in short supply, imagination takes over. It seemed to work just fine for them. Stephen basically i wondered if any of you have had any experiance using electro acoustic guitar with a sound hole cover? could anyone recomemd anywhere in the uk where I could pick one up and if any of you use one could you tell me how it effects the sound and how good they are at stopping feedback. thanks Phill __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 11:29:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RFSAm07304; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.24da9b13.2e104169@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:27:37 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5RFRkh07254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DC, In a message dated 6/27/04 12:49:00 AM, dpcoffin@earthlink.net writes: >I'm setting up my EDP again after a move and the footpedal record >switch seems to be acting strange: it's become very difficult to >simply trigger record or even clear the loop buffer. A single, >short press will often just create a tiny loop instead of setting the >recorder/timer rolling, and when I do manage to record a loop, holding >the button to clear it often puts the EDP directly into record mode >when I let go....it's like it's become ultra-sensitive and is on a hair >trigger. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Or do I simply need to >refine my foot technique? >Appreciate any comments... Sounds like the perennial worn out EFC switch problem to me. They're cheap and easy to replace if you have even minimal soldering skills. Get 'em online at Mouser Electronics: < http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=218417&e_categoryid=142&e_pcodeid=01016> If you buy a bag of 20 they're just under a buck each and that'll probably last you a lifetime. Good luck. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 13:16:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RHFiB25064; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:20:08 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5BD8972E-C80E-11D8-8BA7-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <3CCEE0F5-C85E-11D8-B205-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does sound like a bad switch. A quick fix: If next loop , or any of the other switches, are not critical to the way you use the EDP. Simply swap switches. joe On Sunday, June 27, 2004, at 12:48 AM, David Coffin wrote: > Howdy > I'm setting up my EDP again after a move and the footpedal record > switch seems to be acting strange: it's become very difficult to > simply trigger record or even clear the loop buffer. A single, short > press will often just create a tiny loop instead of setting the > recorder/timer rolling, and when I do manage to record a loop, holding > the button to clear it often puts the EDP directly into record mode > when I let go....it's like it's become ultra-sensitive and is on a > hair trigger. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Or do I simply need > to refine my foot technique? > Appreciate any comments... > dc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 14:36:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RIXPB10273; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:33:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <3CCEE0F5-C85E-11D8-B205-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> References: <3CCEE0F5-C85E-11D8-B205-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Asynchronous looping setups Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:36:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I couldn't help myself and I ordered an Electro-harmonix 16 second delay reissue. I hope it's as cool as the original is reported to be. Anyway, my plan is to go out and be able to do asynchronous looping using an amp modeler, Boss Giga Delay and the EH16. I'd be really interested in hearing how others deal with a setup like that. Would you run both units mono? How would you switch between them so one isn't always feeding the other? Patchbay? My hope is go go very lean gear wise with this setup. Maybe a switcher pedal into a mixer? The end result might go into a guitar amp, but might end up going into a PA. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 15:18:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RJGhu16652; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040624090011.02801470@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200406240731.i5O7VRC18584@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040624090011.02801470@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Undo questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started an answer on that too and was not satisfied. Kim and Andy helped, but not quite acurately seems amazingly complicated :-( >to be clearer, Short-Undo removes the latest overdub from the time >that Undo was pressed, >to the "beginning" of the loop . hmm... that "beginning" sounds wrong to me... or you wanted to say LongUndo? >so if you record a phrase, and hit a wrong note at the end, you can hit >Short-Undo just before the last note, and erase only that note thats a good one >so your case, hitting Short Undo between the 2 overdubs you just >made would just erase >the second one my version: depends on when you press Undo: pressed between second 2 and 8, even a short Undo will remove all your Overdub pressed between second 8 and 10, LongUndo will remove all pressed between second 10 and 2, LongUndo will remove the Overdub between 10 and 2 or: Undo moves exactly one loop length back LongUndo removes one loop length plus the bit between loopstart and the moment you press. in fact its a little bit more complicated, because we also have AutoUndo happening at loopend if nothing changed during the last repetition. So an Undo shortly before loopend may do almost nothing, while pressed shortly after loopend (after AutoUndo happened, you can see the left green dot flash) may errase more. To make this effect less drastic (but even harder to understand), we also help the user that tries to hit at loopstart with a little rounding process, so it does not matter whether he presses shortly before or after the loopstart :-) >>>Next, say I record an initial loop of 10 seconds. On playback I start >>>an Overdub at second 8 and let it continue for 4 seconds, spilling >>>over into another repetition of the loop. Now I press Long-Undo. >>> >>>Does the last layer contain just the second half of the overdub, or >>>will it remove all 4 seconds? >> >>Just the second half. If you do 2 long-undo's you would get both. >>(easier if you use MIDI so you don't have to actually hold the >>button down and can send that undo command directly.) >> >>>If it contains only the second half, will it fade the first half of >>>the overdub to prevent an audible pop? >> >>no, in that case there would not be a crossfade. I guess it is >>possible for a pop to happen then, although usually you have some >>other audio going underneath the overdub so it is not so likely to >>be audible. >> >>kim > >If you use Multiply (with Quantise=OFF) for just one loop to add >your overdubs then you can overdub over exactly one loop, thats good >and redefine the Loop Start Point at the same time. Is that true? we have two start points. one is defined by Multiply as you say and makes the loopLED blink. the other one is fixed since the first record and is the one we sync to. its the cycle start close to loopstart so can be the start of the first or last cycle. The only way to change this one is the StartPoint function and Multiply-Record. >Then you can always get rid of that "overdub" with one Long-Undo no, LongUndo erases from the "first cycle start point", not "Multiply start point" :-) If you think this is confusing, consider that its complicated also for me, but that all this "elastic" treatment of startpoints is what makes the EDP so intuitive and aparently hard to imitate. also, we still have a lack of defined expressions for the two kinds of loopstart/end (but, since we are talking of real loops, start and end is always the same spot :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 15:29:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5RJSG418229; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040627192741.93813.qmail@web20412.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: "HsAcNoStEtN: live in the studio" playing on local public access To: loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-445124217-1088364461=:93245" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-445124217-1088364461=:93245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well, my program played today and i got a tape of it, haven't watched it yet, except for a little bit at the end just to hear if the sound was ok after coming through cable and then recording it to vcr, and lo and behold it sounded ok. will watch the full 1/2 hr program later today. someday hope to have a cheap digital camera and capability to edit to digital format, and then making programs will be much easier. oh well that's far down the road. anyway, my first "live looping program" is playing locally (iowa city, ia), guess we'll see what happens. might have to start thinking of project #2, since all of project #1 was an experiment to see if i could even do it.....i sort of feel like the looping wayne and garth, ug, ha.... s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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well, my program played today and i got a tape of it, haven't watched it yet, except for a little bit at the end just to hear if the sound was ok after coming through cable and then recording it to vcr, and lo and behold it sounded ok. will watch the full 1/2 hr program later today. someday hope to have a cheap digital camera and capability to edit to digital format, and then making programs will be much easier. oh well that's far down the road.
anyway, my first "live looping program" is playing locally (iowa city, ia), guess we'll see what happens.
might have to start thinking of project #2, since all of project #1 was an experiment to see if i could even do it.....i sort of feel like the looping wayne and garth, ug, ha....
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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-445124217-1088364461=:93245-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 22:18:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S2GxN31007; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: AsOopaque - some new tunes... Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:15:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c45cb5$d601e1a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <87oCBD.A.8hH.8933AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Couple of new tracks on my site, gents... Hope you enjoy. Feedback appreciated. http://www.asopaque.com/music.htm recorded and arranged in Ableton Live. Best, Rich www.asoapaque.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 22:40:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S2dPC02907; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200406280218.i5S2IGj31719@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406280218.i5S2IGj31719@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <44E2FCE3-C8AC-11D8-B1A8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:38:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <6kssjB.A.Js.1S43AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen that many times when there's dirt in the footswitch. Cleaning it out, or just pressing it a couple dozen times may fix it. Otherwise, probably time to replace the individual switch. TravisH On Jun 27, 2004, at 7:18 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > Howdy > I'm setting up my EDP again after a move and the footpedal record > switch seems to be acting strange: it's become very difficult to > simply trigger record or even clear the loop buffer. A single, short > press will often just create a tiny loop instead of setting the > recorder/timer rolling, and when I do manage to record a loop, holding > the button to clear it often puts the EDP directly into record mode > when I let go....it's like it's become ultra-sensitive and is on a > hair trigger. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Or do I simply need > to refine my foot technique? > Appreciate any comments... > dc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 22:56:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S2tAD04485; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c45cbb$4a900a10$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <200406280218.i5S2IGj31719@hemlock.violacea.com> <44E2FCE3-C8AC-11D8-B1A8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:54:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've seen that many times when there's dirt in the footswitch. > Cleaning it out, or just pressing it a couple dozen times may fix it. > Otherwise, probably time to replace the individual switch. I think twisting the button while pushing it helped me too. However, I don't recommend using the EDP footswitch at all. Yeah, it works great most of the time but it's a major pain in the butt when it malfunctions. Imagine doing a gig and having it malfunction then? Anybody considering getting footpedal with their echoplex should get a MIDI pedal instead. As I've mentioned, the Behringer FCB1010 works good for me and the two expression pedals can be configured to control the feedback and loop output volume. I think it's only $50 more than the Echoplex footswitch and it lets you access many more functions. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 27 23:54:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S3rnM18655; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200406280352.i5S3qJh18063@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP Footswitch acting up...or is it just me? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:52:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000401c45c1c$bfa7c760$6401a8c0@watercooled> Thread-Index: AcRcHQroo/izv9ozQSGZ3R3Wj2wZXwApZJPA X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: artists@hazardfactor.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On another note...my EDP 'record' button- with either EFC7 (replaced switches with heavy duty metal ones), or via midi message (Digitech PMC-10) sometimes double triggers or doesn't trigger at all. Hey this even happens with the front panel button sometimes. A long press doesn't do anything. A short press doesn't stop the loop. I might have to press it 2 or 3 times, or a combo of footswitch/ front panel presses. I got used to the odd nature of the record button (could both footcontrollers and the front panel switch *both* be bad?) by not making so many rhythmic loops, but I hate having to compromise sometimes. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > trigger record or even clear the loop buffer. A single, short press > > will often just create a tiny loop instead of setting the > ... > > This is a well-documented problem with the EDP footswitch. > It's happened to me. You'll probably have to clean the > contacts in the button but I recommend just getting a MIDI > footswitch such as the Behringer FCB1010. The EDP pedal uses > specific resistance values to trigger different functions. If > the button contacts get dirty, the resistance could change > and you could end up triggering the wrong thing or, in your > case, a double-press. I don't even use mine anymore because > it was becoming too unreliable (I have had both of the > problems I mentioned). The FCB1010 works great and you can > program it to do tons of things that you can't do with the > EDP footswitch. > > - Dave > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 00:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S48lr22955; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <3CCEE0F5-C85E-11D8-B205-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Asynchronous looping setups Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:07:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 27, 2004, at 1:36 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > asynchronous looping using an amp modeler, Boss Giga Delay and the > EH16. I'd be really interested in hearing how others deal with a > setup like that. Would you run both units mono? How what about a small mixer? Gtr->Modeller->A/B->loopers->mixer->amplification if the Jigga Delay had a real mix control i'd say gtr->mixer->auxes into loopers set all wet->mixer->amp that would alleviate the problems of having to switch destination AND punch in to the loop, letting you merely punch into the loop. i am strongly considering a pair of Jigga Delays multed out of a single output, mixed into either side of a balanced connection to phase-cancel the dry signal. but that would only work with two identical devices, not a Jigga Delay and a 16 Second Delay. oh well. however, the logistics problems with where to mount the DD-20s, and my desire to spin the looping rig off into a smaller rack for organ gigs will probably keep me from committing to a dual Jigga Delay purchase. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 01:39:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S5d7K10588; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40DFB022.4000806@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:44:02 -0700 From: brian tester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Asynchronous looping setups/mixers References: <3CCEE0F5-C85E-11D8-B205-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my guitar, contact mics, etc, gather in a mixing board with digital delay/loopers on the two sends. i bring each looper send (100% wet) back to it's own channel on the mixing board which lets me send the contents of one looper to the other and vice versa. the mixer then sends a mono signal of this through a few stomp boxes, a final looper, and into the amp. works great for me. this approach basically requires a dub-style of mixing/thinking/playing, though dub does not have to be the resulting sound. b. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 02:20:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S6IeX18256; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:18:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:18:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c45cd7$58538890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: LOOPING in the MEDIA: a new thread? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:15:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today I was at the local independent bookstore and I spotted this article on the cover of Performing Songwriter Magazine: HOW TO GET LOOPED by Craig Anderton. It was a pretty good three page article for a beginner on what's out there in the software world for looping. It wasn't oriented towards live looping or hardware solutions per se, but I think it is very significant that a traditionally acoustic and 'organic' journal like Performing Songwriter is writing about the whole notion of Looping. Made me smile at least. I thought this might be a cool thread as well. Would everybody be into pulling out any mention of the looping phenomenae in the press and send it in. It would be a good coalescence and a great resource to point future journalists towards for publicity for future gigs. I've noticed in my interviews with press, radio and television people that any time I can mention a major article or interview that it legitimizes the things I say to them. They definitely perk up at the mention of these things. We could send the information in an easily coalatable format: something like this, perhaps: name of journal: Performing Songwriter Magazine date and issuance info: June 2004- Volume 11-- Issue #76 title: "HOW TO GET LOOPED" "Everything you ever needed to know about looping programs and formats" author: Craig Anderton synopsis: 3 page synpopsis of software looping and editing tools available for loop creation here's the same criteria if anyone wants to cut and paste it in a submission: name of journal: date and issuance info: title: author: synopsis: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 02:30:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S6SpY21332; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:27:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Minnesota loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Dion Stewart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200406240731.i5O7VRf18585@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <4290276B-C8CC-11D8-8639-000A27B507F2@visi.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's not a whole lot happening (that I'm aware of at least) in the Twin Cities when it comes to looping. There are a few acoustic players in town with Jam Mans but nobody is really doing what I would call loop based composition or improvisation. Michael Monroe uses a Jam Man to do a "one man band" thing. He plays in the Twin Cities fairly often. http://hometown.aol.com/mmonroedmm/index.html If you're at all into jazz you should check out the Dakota while you're in town. It's one of the best jazz clubs in the country. Most people would never think to look for a great jazz club in Minneapolis, but we have one of the best. http://www.dakotacooks.com Dion On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 02:31 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I seem to be spending a lot of time in Minnesota these days on Adobe > business. What's the > looping > community like in the Minneapolis/Saint Paul area? Anything I should > be checking out on > one of my > trips? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 04:13:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5S8Ci715544; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 04:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 04:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040628090319.028004a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:10:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Gibson version EDP noise In-Reply-To: <200406280218.i5S2IGr31718@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406280218.i5S2IGr31718@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:18 28/06/04, you wrote: >Turn the input up higher, and the output lower to compensate. If it isn't >clipping or the limiter isn't obviously kicking in, you have more headroom >to use. Does the limiter work on the new (black) EDPs then? On my beige models ( last UK production run) you can tell there's a limiter, but it doesn't prevent distortion at all. (I even thought about removing it to improve sound quality) Matthias mentions it being useful (somewhere on LD I think), so I guess it worked on earlier models at some time. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 09:25:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SDNtB11083; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:23:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:18:52 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: sound hole cover for loops To: Krispen Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c45d13$6d7718e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001a01c45c59$04cc2930$6501a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: <3E6giC.A.NjC.tuB4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > When I used to play traditional jazz on an Ephiphone hollow body, I > dropped black balloons inside the f-holes and blew them up. Worked great > and didn't look weird. This is brilliant! As for how these soundhole covers work, my take is this: Acoustic resonant feedback occurs with acoustic guitars in two main frequencies - the cavity resonance and the top resonance. The cavity resonance can be found by singing a low "huuuuuu" into the soundhole. When you hit the resonant frequency, you'll feel the body "come alive" and accentuate the note. Dreadnoughts resonate around a low G, big jumbos ring at F, concert size boxes ring at A, and my Ovation super-shallow rings at a prim C#. This resonance creates the "foghorn" tone feedback, and is like blowing across the top of a bottle (or a flute). The top resonance is hard to experience without actual feedback (in fact I know of no way to "excite" it) but when it feeds back, you'll hear a higher pitch, often with overtones, that is very direction-dependant. This is the one that is easliy removed with a "phase" switch on either the guitar's system or the preamp. I've found the best cure for both to be the heavy rubber soundhole plug sold as "Feedback Buster" by Ovation/Bruno. Thinner, flexible covers can still vibrate and allow the cavity resonance to occur. I tried another soundhole cover with a little adjustable port once and it was too thin and brittle, and even with the little port closed, it allowed too much air through. (I suspect the balloon solution above works so well because it seals the body so well and adds a large mass of dead air as well.) The "FB" not only totally mutes the cavity resonance, it also seems to weigh down the top, effectively retuning the top with its rubbery, non-resonant mass and damping the top resonance. It also keeps the soundhole lips from vibrating, which is a factor in both these feedback scenarios. Another whole level of discussion involves the actual acoustic tone of your instrument, what pickup system you use, what you use to amplify it, and how big a room you're playing to. And probably some other stuff... Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 11:43:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SFZTd02935; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.43] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sound hole cover for loops Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:34:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2004 15:34:38.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C713C70:01C45D25] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW what a fantastic lot of infomation, you have heled me track down the cover I was looking for but Im going to try the balloons first just to see if it works for me, thanks guys your amazing Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 12:34:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SGR2b29837; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Miels Davis loop Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:29:21 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Sm1cPZZZreTxZvdiSDUdwKfNyNfgZ6wkeqIsywpVSkt09TGBZXvT8O@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm wondering what you think of it. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 12:39:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SGbPd00844; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Envelope-to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <40E05703.BB360A83@solarstar.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:36:04 +0100 From: Fabian Wendt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CFC Problem Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HE-MXrcvd: no Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Everybody I really have serious problem finding a CFC that works fine with my repeater. Is there anyone, who would be so kind to sell me one of his or her working CFCs ????????( in all functions : stereo and rev. recording !!!) I know it sounds strange, but there really nothing else I can think of, that would make any sense at this point. Thank you !!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 12:45:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SGhOb03588; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:42:42 -0500 Message-ID: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP/MF availability Thread-Index: AcRdBPsGUrwDYogbQpaWwVRD5LPfvAAKLyHg From: "Kevin Van Pamel" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5SGgch03225 Resent-Message-ID: <0PjNr.A.uy._pE4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello All, My name is Kevin Van Pamel, recently returned to Gibson and one of my responsibilities is the EDPP. Some of you I know from my last tour here. Most US backorders were finally shipped to dealers last week and should be in the process of arrival. MF backorders were filled and some extra inventory sent for future orders. We are also able to ship internationally for the first time. We are shipping EDPP to Europe this month. My apologies for all of the confusion and disappointment of late. I left in February of 2003 and it seems shipments have been weak since. Going forward, the EDPP should ship regularly, depending on demand, but our ability to meet orders is much improved. I'm happy to try and answer any questions in regards to the EDPP product availability, future plans, etc. as well as hear any suggestions. As one guy trying to manage the EDPP and the Gibson amp range, my time gets tight but I do respond to every reasonable question and comment as soon as I can. Thank you for your support and patience. Kevin Van Pamel Gibson Labs -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP/MF availability > Just a little heads up for people who ordered EDPs from MF. You might > want to confirm that your order wasn't CANCELLED!! Apparently you need > to respond to their backorder notices to let then know you still want > the product. I didn't, and now I'm at the end of the backorder list!! > Lovely. Six months of waiting down the drain. I did respond to the notification I received by e-mail *and* by phone and they cancelled mine anyway. I called them up and told them that I wanted my order reinstated in the queue in the original order. They said they would do that but who knows if they did or if it's even possible. > MF has 45 EDPs on order. Make that 46. As of today, MF has not > received any EDPs. No new ETA is available. That's not that many considering that they have been advertising these as being available in every single catalog they've sent me in the past 6 months. I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't even get mine due to them screwing up and cancelling my order. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 13:40:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SHd7726155; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:38:26 -0700 Subject: Re: CFC Problem Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <40E05703.BB360A83@solarstar.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <1uWxNB.A.fUG.UeF4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only cards that have ever worked for me are by SimpleTech. I've never found them in a local store and get them online. I think NewEgg.com still sells them. Er, hope that helps? On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Fabian Wendt wrote: > Hello Everybody > > > I really have serious problem finding a CFC that works fine with my > repeater. > > Is there anyone, who would be so kind to sell me one of his or her > working CFCs ????????( in all functions : stereo and rev. recording > !!!) > > I know it sounds strange, but there really nothing else I can think of, > that would make any sense at this point. > > > Thank you !!! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 13:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SHaQQ25354; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT need drum machine advice Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:38:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: GoEz9ZZVwe6VmYfNPTcQBwkAouAlNas78Zt+IuYRJICE+YfHw7KvQ5@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need a small handheld drum machine. It doesn't necessarily have to sound good but it should have a Midi out (I imagine using it to compose rhythms while not at home, later at home downloading the rhythms into a sequencing software using more interesting sounds), and it should be capable of rhythms such as 11/8 (I know that some machines aren't). Are there boxes like that? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 14:15:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SIAEa03673; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d04062811083e7a6e81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:08:52 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@null.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CFC Problem Repeater In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater compatible CFCs are currently available, just hard to fine. The important thing about CFCs for the repeater is that they need to have Hitachi controllers (whatever that means). pretec.com sells them, you can check the yahoo repeater group for more info. On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:38:26 -0700, Zoe Keating wrote: > > The only cards that have ever worked for me are by SimpleTech. I've > never found them in a local store and get them online. I think > NewEgg.com still sells them. > > Er, hope that helps? > > > > On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Fabian Wendt wrote: > > > Hello Everybody > > > > > > I really have serious problem finding a CFC that works fine with my > > repeater. > > > > Is there anyone, who would be so kind to sell me one of his or her > > working CFCs ????????( in all functions : stereo and rev. recording > > !!!) > > > > I know it sounds strange, but there really nothing else I can think of, > > that would make any sense at this point. > > > > > > Thank you !!! > > > > > > > > > > -- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 15:36:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SJX1504570; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040628193041.31038.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Myles Subject: EDP Mix Control To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-757841718-1088451041=:30763" Resent-Message-ID: <1QdWxD.A.7_.uIH4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-757841718-1088451041=:30763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is anyone aware of a way to expose the mix knob on the EDP to an expression pedal? It doesn't look to be accessible through MIDI, but I thought I'd check if anyone had done it. I'm using the LoopIV software. -mike myles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! --0-757841718-1088451041=:30763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Is anyone aware of a way to expose the mix knob on the EDP to an
expression pedal? It doesn't look to be accessible through MIDI, but I
thought I'd check if anyone had done it. I'm using the LoopIV software.

-mike myles

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Mail - Send 10MB messages! --0-757841718-1088451041=:30763-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 17:00:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SKwpG02925; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:59:09 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Insert mode questions To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <40E0869D.6060103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, I'd like to thank everyone for the responses to my undo questions, they were very illuminating! These next questions concern Insert mode. Say I record a loop of 10 seconds, on replay I start an Insert on second 2 and end it on second 3. Quantization and Round Mode are both off. I'm now in this mode where 8 seconds of silence are being "recorded" to pad the insert out to a cycle boundary. What can you do while this is happening? I'm assuming you can initiate other functions such as NextLoop, but that they would not be processed until after the insert is finished. What about Undo, would I have to wait 8 seconds to cancel the insert or would that happen immediately? The manual states "When Quantize=On, a press of the Insert button will cause insertion to start at the beginning of the next cycle". Quantize has three "on" values: cycle, sub-cycle, and loop. When starting an Insert, are all three of these treated as if they were "cycle", or is it possible to quantize the beginning of an insert to a sub-cycle or loop? I was a little surprised that you can't do an unquantized insert, such as starting with a loop of 10 seconds, insert 2, and end up with a loop of 12 seconds. Perhaps not very musically useful, but it seemed like a curious omission given the mayhem you can accomplish with Unrounded Multiply. Is this because it complicates synchronization? Thanks again, Jeff Larson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 18:23:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SMMMK29319; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:22:03 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Insert mode questions, I found unrounded insert To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <40E09A0B.9000101@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ignore my last question on what I referred to as "unquantized insert". I found "unrounded insert" under InsertMode=Sustain which does what I wanted. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 28 19:51:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5SNnZK30180; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49258E35@EMAIL.gibson.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:47:55 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, thanks for the update. Much appreciated. This will be my first EDP. I ordered it by Web in late April. I'm new to the Gibson/EDP/manufacturer controversy, so I don't have any questions. Regarding Musician's Friend and backorder notices, I've never gotten one. I ordered mine over the Web, and I just check the status of my Web order. Still shows it's on backorder. I assume that's because they haven't yet sent out all the EDPs on backorder. Lance -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Van Pamel [mailto:Kevin.VanPamel@gibson.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Hello All, My name is Kevin Van Pamel, recently returned to Gibson and one of my responsibilities is the EDPP. Some of you I know from my last tour here. Most US backorders were finally shipped to dealers last week and should be in the process of arrival. MF backorders were filled and some extra inventory sent for future orders. We are also able to ship internationally for the first time. We are shipping EDPP to Europe this month. My apologies for all of the confusion and disappointment of late. I left in February of 2003 and it seems shipments have been weak since. Going forward, the EDPP should ship regularly, depending on demand, but our ability to meet orders is much improved. I'm happy to try and answer any questions in regards to the EDPP product availability, future plans, etc. as well as hear any suggestions. As one guy trying to manage the EDPP and the Gibson amp range, my time gets tight but I do respond to every reasonable question and comment as soon as I can. Thank you for your support and patience. Kevin Van Pamel Gibson Labs -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP/MF availability > Just a little heads up for people who ordered EDPs from MF. You might > want to confirm that your order wasn't CANCELLED!! Apparently you need > to respond to their backorder notices to let then know you still want > the product. I didn't, and now I'm at the end of the backorder list!! > Lovely. Six months of waiting down the drain. I did respond to the notification I received by e-mail *and* by phone and they cancelled mine anyway. I called them up and told them that I wanted my order reinstated in the queue in the original order. They said they would do that but who knows if they did or if it's even possible. > MF has 45 EDPs on order. Make that 46. As of today, MF has not > received any EDPs. No new ETA is available. That's not that many considering that they have been advertising these as being available in every single catalog they've sent me in the past 6 months. I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't even get mine due to them screwing up and cancelling my order. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 02:49:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5T6mfm11933; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40E09A0B.9000101@sun.com> References: <40E09A0B.9000101@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:52:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So the thing they said would never exist, does indeed exist. Now, I never owned or even used the original, but I'll give my first impression of this little box. First thing that struck me is that the only way you can set your loop time is by using the sliders. No "step-step" to define your loop. Actually, I dig it. Reminds me of the way I used to use my JamMan. Step once and when the predefined loop length is up, you're loop begins. Even better the EH16-2 can put you directly into overdub. Sweet. Perfect for seamless ambient washes. Not so good for a tap tempo delay, but that's not what I bought this for. It says it's a delay device, but let's face it IT'S A FUCKING LOOPER. WOO. So.. why is this thing a "stomp box?" Silly. As with a lot of EH gear this thing has too much on it to want it on the floor. Mine will be at stomach level. Because you can't define a loop time with your foot I barely can think of a reason you'd want to use it that way at all. I'm going to use it as a tabletop device and maybe get the additional controller for it... I read something about that, I'm not sure what functionality you can get that way. No matter, I'll probably be fine with it without. I don't even take my MIDI controller out for the Repeater any more, I'm fine using my hands for most functions. There's no actual display to see what your bpm is and the sliders have no "click" spots on them so it's a bit of a guess if you're shooting for a bpm at a certain number of bars. Cool thing is there's a not very annoying metronome (like the horrible Repeater metronome) you can have running... bad thing is there's no headphone output. Having a headphone out with the ability to channel the metronome only to the headphone. Oh well. I've gotten good watching the blinking light on the Repeater, and this one has that with a bar accent blink. BLINK blink blink blink-BLINK blink blink blink.... Fidelity... seems OK. Hard to tell as I was playing with stereo sounds and this thing is mono, so the loss of that stereo feel was noticeable but I'm not sure if there was an overall degradation of the sound beyond that. I bought this for live use, and I'm sure it will be fine for that. I heard that long loops in the original got a little lo-fi, but I didn't hear that at an 8 bar loop at somewhere around 120 bpm. The tempo slider? Nothing compared to the beauty that is the Electrix Repeater, but OK. Very glitchy when you're going down, better going up. Pitch slider seems more fun. Very cool up and down, but it's not a continuous slider. It's "stepped." Still very cool but it effects both speed and pitch like a tape loop, not like the Repeater where the two can be independent. The sweep is cool Basically a chorus/phaser effect. Not much to say. Works well. Reverse. Not much to say here either, but it's cool. Overdub back and forth. Weee! OK, I had to cut my experiments short due to a Monday dinner party, but I'll fool more with it tomorrow. At one point, I had totally independent asynchronous loops going from my Repeater, the EH-16 and the Gigadelay (Suite and Tie guy, is the Jiggadelay the Irish version of that device?) and it was swirly crazy madness. FUN. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 03:18:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5T7HUM18367; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:17:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:17:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <40E09A0B.9000101@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <446C738D-C99C-11D8-ABA0-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:16:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <9pobAB.A.QdE.fdR4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:52 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, I had to cut my experiments short due to a Monday dinner party, > but I'll fool more with it tomorrow. At one point, I had totally > independent asynchronous loops going from my Repeater, the EH-16 and > the Gigadelay (Suite and Tie guy, is the Jiggadelay the Irish version > of that device?) and it was swirly crazy madness. FUN. to quote Jay-Z and Dr Emmett Lloyd Brown, sequentially: "Jigga what!?! Jigga who!?! Switch'ya flow .. get'cha dough ... can't f*** wit dis roc-a-fella shit doe ..." "ONE POINT TWENTY ONE GIGAWATTS!?!?" no, i'm afraid the Jigga Delay is for soul musicians who play Hammond organ aided with electronic devices (such as loopers, Eventides, and skip sequenced analogue synths) and have a radio controlled Back To The Future-style DeLorean sitting on top their CD shelf. pardon me for the bastardisation of the name. my interest in the Roland pedal is seated primarily in the dual-engine aspect of its design, and secondarily in its name. there is a tertiary interest in having a 24-bit delay with +4 connections. btw, you might have noticed that the "tone" control is really a high shelving filter, and flat response of the delay is to be found with it turned ALL THE WAY UP, not in the middle where the detent is. and yes, i do have 3 Cheiftains CDs, 3 Enya CDs, 2 Loreena McKennitt CDs, one Drover's disc and one Pentangle disc sitting in the aforementioned CD shelf. however, my embracement of celtic music does not extend beyond my love of binarily depressing or happy modal music and the hint of knotwork in the ampersand of the logo painted on the front of my organ. i'm glad you like the interplay between your 3 loopers. makes me wish i was at 1015 Folsum to hear it all. in the meantime, i'm trying to figure out how to wire a TB-303 into my Hammond ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 07:13:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TBCjf21418; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040629115809.02810ca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:10:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Insert mode questions In-Reply-To: <200406290649.i5T6nVA12067@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200406290649.i5T6nVA12067@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:49 29/06/04, you wrote: >I was a little surprised that you can't do an unquantized insert, such >as starting with a loop of 10 seconds, insert 2, and end up with a loop >of 12 seconds. Perhaps not very musically useful, pretty much essential if the EDP isn't synced to a device that gives you the timing. > but it seemed like >a curious omission given the mayhem you can accomplish with >Unrounded Multiply. Is this because it complicates synchronization? As you realised later, InsertMode=SUS does this. But it's also possible to end the Insert with Record, just the same as for Multiply. >The manual states "When Quantize=On, a press of the Insert button >will cause insertion to start at the beginning of the next cycle". >Quantize has three "on" values: cycle, sub-cycle, and loop. When >starting an Insert, are all three of these treated as if they >were "cycle", or is it possible to quantize the beginning >of an insert to a sub-cycle or loop? Yes, that's a fault in the manual. In Loop3 there was only Quant=CYC ( or OFF), and it seems that sentence didn't get updated to cover the new settings. 8th Quant and LoopQuant were a very late addition to the loop4 features, all functions that are "quantisable" are affected by these. andy butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 09:40:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TDcOe25788; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:38:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:38:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:37:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcRdLV5Jrv2sPz7ET/CvNForMVyXPQArhuow Message-Id: <20040629133616.ZHLA8727.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4TnET.A.zOG.ZBX4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting, Michael! What hardware or software did you use? I would have used a bit longer sample so it doesn't sound like a stuck record at times. I actually had such an experience as a kid. I was listening to one of my jazz records (I don't remember if it was Miles - but this was in the later 1950's) and my mom yelled out that it sounded like the record was stuck. I tried to tell her that it wasn't, but it turned out that she was right, it was stuck! Funny thing, now with looping and DJ'ing, in a way, I was "right" also. So anyway, I'm not too much of an expert on records being stuck, so you can take what I say with a "grain" of salt! Keep on experimenting, Michael. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 9:29 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Miels Davis loop I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm wondering what you think of it. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 10:40:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TEWAn02220; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040629142954.9038.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > So the thing they said would never exist, does > indeed exist. Now, I > never owned or even used the original, but I'll give > my first > impression of this little box. Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just curious. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 10:47:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TEkVL04098; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040629142954.9038.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040629142954.9038.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <647B26AC-C9DB-11D8-BBC9-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:48:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my spider-sense tingle. Take care, Mark On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> So the thing they said would never exist, does >> indeed exist. Now, I >> never owned or even used the original, but I'll give >> my first >> impression of this little box. > > Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just > curious. > > Paolo > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 11:25:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TFOQ711949; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:24:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <40E1897D.000022.02256@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:23:41 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_HFT25BZ2QL8000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20040629133616.ZHLA8727.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_HFT25BZ2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm=0D =0D At the risk of sonding like a DumbAss, where is the linkk on the page?=0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D IP Broadcast....What is it? 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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 06/29/04 06:= 36:50
Subject: RE: Miels= Davis loop
 
Interesting, Michael!
 
What hardware or software did you use?
 
I would have used a bit longer sample so it doesn't sound like a stu= ck
record at times.
 
I actually had such an experience as a kid.  I was listeni= ng to one of my
jazz records (I don't remember if it was Miles - but this was in the= later
1950's) and my mom yelled out that it sounded like the record was st= uck.  I
tried to tell her that it wasn't, but it turned out that she was rig= ht, it
was stuck!  Funny thing, now with looping and DJ'ing, in a= way, I was
"right" also.
 
So anyway, I'm not too much of an expert on records being stuck, so = you can
take what I say with a "grain" of salt!
 
Keep on experimenting, Michael.
 
Tom
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpet= ers@csi.com]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 9:29 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: Miels Davis loop
 
I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on
wondering what you think of it.
 
Michael Peters
--------------Boundary-00=_HFT25BZ2QL8000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 11:28:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TFRKw12546; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:26:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 15:26:19.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D481790:01C45DED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there, I would really like to listen to your stuff but this site is crap!!! every time I click on ur mp3, it takes me to a log in page, i log in and it redirects me to a main page, I then spend ages navigating back to your page and the loop begins again sort of speak with me needing to log in again!! ARGGHH!! Phill >From: "Michael Peters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: Miels Davis loop >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:29:21 +0200 > >I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm >wondering what you think of it. > >Michael Peters >www.michaelpeters.de > > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 11:53:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TFkTi16858; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <40E18EA9.00002A.02256@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:45:45 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9GU21OW2QL8000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_9GU21OW2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable since you bring this up....want are the better community sights?=0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 06/29/04 08:27:08=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop=0D =0D hi there, I would really like to listen to your stuff but this site is=0D crap!!!=0D =0D every time I click on ur mp3, it takes me to a log in page, i log in and = it=0D redirects me to a main page, I then spend ages navigating back to your pa= ge=0D and the loop begins again sort of speak with me needing to log in again!!= =0D =0D ARGGHH!!=0D =0D Phill=0D =0D =0D >From: "Michael Peters" =0D >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D >To: "Loopers Delight" =0D >Subject: Miels Davis loop=0D >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:29:21 +0200=0D >=0D >I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on=0D >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm=0D >wondering what you think of it.=0D >=0D >Michael Peters=0D >www.michaelpeters.de=0D >=0D >=0D =0D _________________________________________________________________=0D It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!=0D http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_9GU21OW2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
since you bring this up....want are the better community sights?=
 
 
 
Date: 06/29/04 08:= 27:08
Subject: RE: Miels= Davis loop
 
hi there, I would really like to listen to your stuff but this site = is
crap!!!
 
every time I click on ur mp3, it takes me to a log in page, i log in= and it
redirects me to a main page, I then spend ages navigating back to yo= ur page
and the loop begins again sort of speak with me needing to log in ag= ain!!
 
ARGGHH!!
 
Phill
 
 
>From: "Michael Peters" <mp= eters@csi.com>
>To: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: Miels Davis loop
>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:29:21 +0200
>
>I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo o= n
>wondering what you think of it.
>
>Michael Peters
>
>
 
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--------------Boundary-00=_9GU21OW2QL8000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 12:08:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TG7Eq27045; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <40E19357.000030.02256@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:05:43 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_JDV27FL3LVC000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miels Davis loop X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_JDV27FL3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://chickiboom.com/records/current/index.htm=0D =0D Michael,=0D funny thing is, I'm working on a miles loop right now. If you'd like t= o hear it check out the one with the creative working title of 'miles'. Rig= ht now it's just the base loop. still wondering where to take it!=0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 06/28/04 09:26:33=0D To: Loopers Delight=0D Subject: Miels Davis loop=0D =0D I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on=0D http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm=0D wondering what you think of it.=0D =0D Michael Peters=0D www.michaelpeters.de=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_JDV27FL3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Michael,
   funny thing is, I'm working on a miles loop right now. = If you'd like to hear it check out the one with the creative working titl= e of 'miles'. Right now it's just the base loop. still wondering where to= take it!
 
 
Date: 06/28/04 09:= 26:33
Subject: Miels Dav= is loop
 
I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on
wondering what you think of it.
 
Michael Peters
--------------Boundary-00=_JDV27FL3LVC000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 12:22:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TGLtA01260; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:24:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040629133616.ZHLA8727.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-Seen: false X-ID: ZYuuvkZSZe8QVGmVhFUiRqOYsStOpUg5X-dFm5jpgeDFnyFMaKSMkM@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What hardware or software did you use? a Windows based software called Granulab. Highly recommended for sound tweaking. > where is the linkk on the page? the Soundclick page seems to be down at the moment, but it was the fifth track or so, called 'Music for the Lift'. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 12:35:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TGYB405900; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:34:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E199DA.1060600@biink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:33:30 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miels Davis loop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters wrote: >>What hardware or software did you use? >> >> > >a Windows based software called Granulab. Highly recommended for sound >tweaking. > > > > >>where is the linkk on the page? >> >> > >the Soundclick page seems to be down at the moment, but it was the fifth >track or so, called 'Music for the Lift" > > Is the sample from *Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud (Lift To The Scaffold)?* -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 13:04:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TH3Oe18668; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E1A0B4.6060001@biink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:02:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: I don't remember the fellow's name nor what model Arp it was. Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe some one here can help this fellow out?

http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2560&highlight=

-- 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 13:23:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5THLd224965; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:21:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, confirmed that my EDP will be available tomorrow, and scheduled to ship the day after. I ordered it late April. Matthew and David, I've been a Musician's Friend customer for years (~three). Why would you think you needed to respond to their backorder notice emails? There is nothing in them that indicates a need to respond. If your item was inexplicably cancelled (and I mean absolutely out of the blue), then yeah it was a serious goof on their part. Is that what you're saying? Out of the clear blue sky, to your shock and amazement, your order was canceled? -----Original Message----- From: Lance Zechinato Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Kevin, thanks for the update. Much appreciated. This will be my first EDP. I ordered it by Web in late April. I'm new to the Gibson/EDP/manufacturer controversy, so I don't have any questions. Regarding Musician's Friend and backorder notices, I've never gotten one. I ordered mine over the Web, and I just check the status of my Web order. Still shows it's on backorder. I assume that's because they haven't yet sent out all the EDPs on backorder. Lance -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Van Pamel [mailto:Kevin.VanPamel@gibson.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Hello All, My name is Kevin Van Pamel, recently returned to Gibson and one of my responsibilities is the EDPP. Some of you I know from my last tour here. Most US backorders were finally shipped to dealers last week and should be in the process of arrival. MF backorders were filled and some extra inventory sent for future orders. We are also able to ship internationally for the first time. We are shipping EDPP to Europe this month. My apologies for all of the confusion and disappointment of late. I left in February of 2003 and it seems shipments have been weak since. Going forward, the EDPP should ship regularly, depending on demand, but our ability to meet orders is much improved. I'm happy to try and answer any questions in regards to the EDPP product availability, future plans, etc. as well as hear any suggestions. As one guy trying to manage the EDPP and the Gibson amp range, my time gets tight but I do respond to every reasonable question and comment as soon as I can. Thank you for your support and patience. Kevin Van Pamel Gibson Labs -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP/MF availability > Just a little heads up for people who ordered EDPs from MF. You might > want to confirm that your order wasn't CANCELLED!! Apparently you need > to respond to their backorder notices to let then know you still want > the product. I didn't, and now I'm at the end of the backorder list!! > Lovely. Six months of waiting down the drain. I did respond to the notification I received by e-mail *and* by phone and they cancelled mine anyway. I called them up and told them that I wanted my order reinstated in the queue in the original order. They said they would do that but who knows if they did or if it's even possible. > MF has 45 EDPs on order. Make that 46. As of today, MF has not > received any EDPs. No new ETA is available. That's not that many considering that they have been advertising these as being available in every single catalog they've sent me in the past 6 months. I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't even get mine due to them screwing up and cancelling my order. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 13:34:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5THUat27957; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E1A713.4040602@biink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:29:55 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: I don't remember the fellow's name nor what model Arp it was. References: <40E1A0B4.6060001@biink.com> <02A8DDCD-C9F1-11D8-B616-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> In-Reply-To: <02A8DDCD-C9F1-11D8-B616-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Firman wrote: > > > The synth is an ARP2600 (can't tell the vintage). It's possible that > the fellow is > James Michmerhuizen, he wrote the 2600 manual. > > > On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:02 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > > Maybe some one here can help this fellow out? > > http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2560&highlight= > Thanks, I posted your response the BBS. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 13:44:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5THhhd00623; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C45E11.3748F640@dyn-83-152-204-169.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:42:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C45E11.3748F640" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C45E11.3748F640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable had the same problem; I think I turned around it by opening 2 browsers : = on the 1st I loggin, then I open the second and access the (bookmarked) = mp3 page. it worked for me. Francois check my first CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: lol c [SMTP:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Date: mardi 29 juin 2004 17:26 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: Miels Davis loop hi there, I would really like to listen to your stuff but this site is = crap!!! every time I click on ur mp3, it takes me to a log in page, i log in and = it=20 redirects me to a main page, I then spend ages navigating back to your = page=20 and the loop begins again sort of speak with me needing to log in = again!! ARGGHH!! Phill >From: "Michael Peters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: Miels Davis loop >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:29:21 +0200 > >I posted a granular synthesis loop based on a Miles Davis solo on >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/michaelpetersmusic.htm >wondering what you think of it. > >Michael Peters >www.michaelpeters.de > > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. 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Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:38:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:38:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Jun 2004 17:36:09 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "kevin messerschmidt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:37:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop X-Originating-Ip: 192.153.25.250 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040629173721.4EF5E86AE0@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael- great stuff, all of it! I remember seeing Fripp's league of crafty guitarists in the late 80's - were you one of his disciples? Wow, what a flashback. Especially liked biesfeld for some reason. Wow, how weird. I was going to provide a link to a song I did that was similar. Years ago I put songs up (as vapour angels) on mp3.com and audiogalaxy. The sites are long gone, but I see balitibet has travelled around the web as a series of broken links to audiogalaxy. I'm famous in Russia now I guess. Wonder if I could make a song out of that. Anyway. Kevin (used to be mp3.com/vaporangels) p.s. Phil - just click on lo-fi or hi-fi. From: "lol c" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:26:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Message-Id: > > hi there, I would really like to listen to your stuff but this site is > crap!!! > > every time I click on ur mp3, it takes me to a log in page, i log in and it > redirects me to a main page, I then spend ages navigating back to your page > and the loop begins again sort of speak with me needing to log in again!! > > ARGGHH!! > > Phill > > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 13:55:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5THrYj03987; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1088531584.40e1ac80235dd@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:53:04 -0700 From: "David J. Grossman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Matthew and David, I've been a Musician's Friend customer for years > (~three). Why would you think you needed to respond to their backorder > notice emails? There is nothing in them that indicates a need to respond. > If your item was inexplicably cancelled (and I mean absolutely out of the > blue), then yeah it was a serious goof on their part. Is that what you're > saying? Out of the clear blue sky, to your shock and amazement, your order > was canceled? It wasn't the normal backorder notice that we responded to. If an item is backordered for more than 60 days (I think it was 60 days), they are apparently (paraphrasing based on my recollection) required by law to cancel the order unless you give explicit permission to keep the item on order. I can forward you the e-mail they sent if you want. Actually, the e-mail pointed me to a customer service page where I had to send in a customer service request to keep the item on backorder. I never received a response to this request so I called them and they told me that they had received it and it would remain on backorder (it was on backorder since Feb 2nd). So, I guess the goof was on your part, eh? That's okay, no apology necessary. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 14:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TIEfa13051; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:14:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <1088531584.40e1ac80235dd@webmail.unpronounceable.com> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:13:10 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Found it on the MF Customer Service FAQ. >From their Customer Service pages (including the misspell): "If your order is expected to be backordered for longer than 60 days, you will recieve a similar card. You absolutely must return this card with your signature if you would like to keep your item on backorder." I've never had an item on backorder for more than 60 days, so definitely the goof is on my part. Unnecessary apology made anyway. ;) -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP/MF availability > Matthew and David, I've been a Musician's Friend customer for years > (~three). Why would you think you needed to respond to their backorder > notice emails? There is nothing in them that indicates a need to respond. > If your item was inexplicably cancelled (and I mean absolutely out of the > blue), then yeah it was a serious goof on their part. Is that what you're > saying? Out of the clear blue sky, to your shock and amazement, your order > was canceled? It wasn't the normal backorder notice that we responded to. If an item is backordered for more than 60 days (I think it was 60 days), they are apparently (paraphrasing based on my recollection) required by law to cancel the order unless you give explicit permission to keep the item on order. I can forward you the e-mail they sent if you want. Actually, the e-mail pointed me to a customer service page where I had to send in a customer service request to keep the item on backorder. I never received a response to this request so I called them and they told me that they had received it and it would remain on backorder (it was on backorder since Feb 2nd). So, I guess the goof was on your part, eh? That's okay, no apology necessary. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 14:21:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5THJdv24365; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:19:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <40E1A0B4.6060001@biink.com> References: <40E1A0B4.6060001@biink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-700931638 Message-Id: <02A8DDCD-C9F1-11D8-B616-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: OT: I don't remember the fellow's name nor what model Arp it was. Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:23:17 -0500 To: db@biink.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-700931638 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The synth is an ARP2600 (can't tell the vintage). It's possible that the fellow is James Michmerhuizen, he wrote the 2600 manual. On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:02 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > Maybe some one here can help this fellow out? > > http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2560&highlight= > > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-1-700931638 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII The synth is an ARP2600 (can't tell the vintage). It's possible that the fellow is James Michmerhuizen, he wrote the 2600 manual. Times On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:02 PM, David Beardsley wrote: Maybe some one here can help this fellow out? 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2560&highlight= -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://biink.com/db -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-1-700931638-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 14:22:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TIJi615148; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions In-Reply-To: <647B26AC-C9DB-11D8-BBC9-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FTR, Nothing schetchy about it. Ron has been an estabilish EH guru for years and years and in fact is one of the few people who consistently repairs, mods, and remanufactures all EH pedals including special attention to the 16 second. He even has his own external pedal board for the unit far superior in build to the original. He's not only legit, he's one of the best pedal specialists in the country and happened to be selling the new EH 16 for at least $100 below any other dealer. He's also been very easy to reach and incredibily honest in all my dealings with him over the years He works on all sorts of other pedals (has fixed many an Ibanez or Multivox thing for me and my friends). I won't speculate on why he asked for the deposit but I for one was thrilled to pay him as he not only has the best price, but I can't imagine a more deserving person. He's VERY responsible for keeping EH stuff alive and in the know. I think he is still taking orders for the next batch: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/ On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. > That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit > ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz > seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I > already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate > in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal > with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say > anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my > spider-sense tingle. > > Take care, > > Mark > > On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> So the thing they said would never exist, does > >> indeed exist. Now, I > >> never owned or even used the original, but I'll give > >> my first > >> impression of this little box. > > > > Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just > > curious. > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 15:56:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TJsSS19974; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Broken MOTU 828 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:53:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 19:53:09.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3F18A30:01C45E12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this is off topic, but I was led to the 828 by people's posts on this list so I figured I'd try. I bought an 828 mk2 off ebay. It arrived, looks brand new, but the display is incredibly dim. It works, but it's so dim as to be unusable. It has very intermittently worked at full brightness, but I can't for the life of me find the problem (took the top off and wiggled all possible connections). I know this is a long shot, but has anyone with any experience with the 828's every had this problem? Is it a simple fix? An expensive repair? I know I can send it back to the guy, but I got a good deal (maybe now I know why) and I don't want to let it go if I can help it. I talked to MOTU and they say to be repaired by them it must be registered, which means I can't send it to them to fix. Anyone know of repair shops that work on these units? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks and sorry for the OT again. Jason _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TK7hp27901; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:06:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: RPTR: right output is half volume... From: Zoe Keating To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes. I discovered that the right output of the Repeater is almost half the volume of the left. Also, there are pops and crackles when i wiggle the cable (yes, checked the cables) I fear soldering needs to happen? I've never done such a thing before but I like to try new things. Has anyone on the list ever opened up the inside of their Repeater? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:10:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TK8mo28439; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:08:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Broken MOTU 828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason, Join motu-mac (another yahoo group) and post there. Most likely someone can help you out. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:42:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TKaBG06760; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c45e18$9def53b0$e059f7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <002e01c2bd75$ae207060$f959f7a5@D9MS6F11> Subject: Line 6 echo pro questions Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:35:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C45DF7.07955930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C45DF7.07955930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I'm thinking of buying one of these puppies so that I can keep = my Repeater in the studio and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience = using this as a looper. I'm especially concerned about the lack of any = loop on/off pedal input to start/stop loops. Is the Behringer FCB 1010 = the smallest and least expensive unit to do the job or are there any = other options? Also is it better to use this thing in an effects loop, = at the front end before the amp or with a mixer (in the aux = send/return). Any ideas. Any advice/help/info would be gladly welcome. Thanks, Jeff Bragg ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C45DF7.07955930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks, I'm thinking of buying one of = these=20 puppies so that I can keep my Repeater in the studio and I'm wondering = if anyone=20 has any experience using this as a looper.  I'm especially = concerned about=20 the lack of any loop on/off pedal input to start/stop loops.  Is=20 the Behringer FCB 1010 the smallest and least expensive unit = to do the=20 job or are there any other options?  Also is it better to use this = thing in=20 an effects loop, at the front end before the amp or with a mixer = (in the=20 aux send/return).  Any ideas.
 
Any advice/help/info would be gladly=20 welcome.
 
Thanks,
Jeff Bragg
------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C45DF7.07955930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:45:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TKiMq09852; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:44:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:44:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:46:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <40E199DA.1060600@biink.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: SUFaz0ZDge352VaU+C0W6hYCe1tqVONm7jhBmpSkk+zrbTpGnanFU9@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is the sample from *Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud (Lift To The Scaffold)?* yes, that's why it's 'music for the lift' . The 'story' page says: The title refers 1) to Terry Riley's "Music for the Gift", an early tape manipulation piece using a Miles Davis piece played by Chet Baker - and 2) to a Miles Davis solo from "Ascenseur Pour L'echafaud" which was the raw material for this piece. Miles Davis's trumpet is cut into pieces using a slowly proceeding loop window. This manipulation has similarities to tape loops but these loops move forward in time. This could not have been realised without computer based Granular Synthesis. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:46:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TKjr410638; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:48:11 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040629173721.4EF5E86AE0@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: EXJgquZ1weMnVRzVDihQEEvguXK0hSTPnfUy4BI9qt0z-FHS6XqooP@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Michael- great stuff, all of it! thanks > I remember seeing Fripp's league of crafty guitarists in the late > 80's - were you one of his disciples? I took a couple of courses in the late eighties - early nineties. -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:46:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TKhs209735; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <006601c45e18$9def53b0$e059f7a5@D9MS6F11> References: <002e01c2bd75$ae207060$f959f7a5@D9MS6F11> <006601c45e18$9def53b0$e059f7a5@D9MS6F11> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-712917231 Message-Id: From: Jeremy Goody Subject: Re: Line 6 echo pro questions Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:43:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-712917231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed the line 6 is OK as an insert - you can't really use it on send/return=20= 'cause even with the mox knob to 100% wet, it still passes the input=20 signal + you get a double buss thing going. I have been using the alt3/4 outputs on a cheap behringer board to feed=20= the line 6. hit mute + you hear the signal only coming through the line 6 - unmute=20= and your sig is on the stereo buss + not feeding line6. the tonality on the line6 is a little crispy at times, but the echo=20 models are good on their own - add basic looping (actually not so=20 basic) + the pedal begins to have a little more appeal. mine has been screwing up the last couple of weeks, so I bought a power=20= supply + it is still acting dodgy ( unexplained mode changes not=20 related to switches hit @ the time...) On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:35 PM, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: > Hi folks, I'm thinking of buying one of these puppies so that I can=20 > keep my Repeater in the studio and I'm wondering if anyone has any=20 > experience using this as a looper.=A0 I'm especially concerned about = the=20 > lack of any loop on/off pedal input to start/stop loops.=A0 Is=20 > the=A0Behringer FCB=A01010 the smallest and least expensive unit to do = the=20 > job or are there any other options?=A0 Also is it better to use this=20= > thing in an effects loop,=A0at the front end before the amp or with a=20= > mixer (in the aux send/return).=A0 Any ideas. > =A0 > Any advice/help/info would be gladly welcome. > =A0 > Thanks, > Jeff Bragg --Apple-Mail-4-712917231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 the line 6 is OK as an insert - you can't really use it on send/return 'cause even with the mox knob to 100% wet, it still passes the input signal + you get a double buss thing going. I have been using the alt3/4 outputs on a cheap behringer board to feed the line 6. hit mute + you hear the signal only coming through the line 6 - unmute and your sig is on the stereo buss + not feeding line6. the tonality on the line6 is a little crispy at times, but the echo models are good on their own - add basic looping (actually not so basic) + the pedal begins to have a little more appeal. mine has been screwing up the last couple of weeks, so I bought a power supply + it is still acting dodgy ( unexplained mode changes not related to switches hit @ the time...) On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:35 PM, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: ArialHi folks, I'm thinking of buying one of these puppies so that I can keep my Repeater in the studio and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using this as a looper.=A0 I'm especially concerned about the lack of any loop on/off pedal input to start/stop loops.=A0 Is the=A0Behringer FCB=A01010 = the smallest and least expensive unit to do the job or are there any other options?=A0 Also is it better to use this thing in an effects loop,=A0at the front end before the amp or with a mixer (in the aux send/return).=A0 Any ideas. =A0 ArialAny advice/help/info would be gladly welcome. =A0 ArialThanks, ArialJeff = Bragg = --Apple-Mail-4-712917231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 16:59:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TKvkk15406; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16 second manual online... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4ndCQ.A.2qD.Red4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EH seems to want to keep the details of this very secret for some reason, even refusing to answer basic questions. This won't tell you anything about the inside of the unit (still curious if there is any analog section since some web sites say yes and others say no). Still, here's the entire user manual for the new EH 16 second delay and it might help some people figure out what all the hype is about :) http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Electro-Harmonix/info/16-Second-Delay.html ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:03:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TKpBw12867; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:51:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:51:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E1D624.6010107@biink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:50:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miles Davis loop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters wrote: >>Is the sample from *Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud (Lift To The Scaffold)?* >> >> > >yes, that's why it's 'music for the lift' . The 'story' page says: > >The title refers 1) to Terry Riley's "Music for the Gift", an early tape >manipulation piece using a Miles Davis piece played by Chet Baker - and 2) >to a Miles Davis solo from "Ascenseur Pour L'echafaud" which was the raw >material for this piece. Miles Davis's trumpet is cut into pieces using a >slowly proceeding loop window. This manipulation has similarities to tape >loops but these loops move forward in time. This could not have been >realised without computer based Granular Synthesis. > >-Michael >www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > Kewl. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TL1Sk18217; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:01:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629154554.0c8d43d8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:00:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Line 6 echo pro questions In-Reply-To: <006601c45e18$9def53b0$e059f7a5@D9MS6F11> References: <002e01c2bd75$ae207060$f959f7a5@D9MS6F11> <006601c45e18$9def53b0$e059f7a5@D9MS6F11> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3fg8T.A.CbE.Zid4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:35 PM 6/29/2004, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: >Hi folks, I'm thinking of buying one of these puppies so that I can keep >my Repeater in the studio and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience >using this as a looper. I'm especially concerned about the lack of any >loop on/off pedal input to start/stop loops. Is the Behringer FCB 1010 >the smallest and least expensive unit to do the job or are there any other >options? Also is it better to use this thing in an effects loop, at the >front end before the amp or with a mixer (in the aux send/return). Any ideas. Jeff, I've got an Echo Pro that I use in conjunction with my Repeater (full disclosure: as of a couple days ago, I've now got two Echo Pros with which I'm now experimenting with faking stereo looping -- write-up forthcoming). The first and best advice I can give you is to download the "Pilot's Guide" at: http://www.line6.com/getdata/database=line6com/table=manuals_files/id=49/field=manualFile_file/filename=Echo%20Pro%20User%20Manual-English.pdf/ext=.data That should answer most of your questions. Also, in short, a lot of people here use the FCB1010, which is good and inexpensive. Personally, I found it too big to lug around, so I use a combination of a Peavey PC1600x with a small pedalboard and a couple pedals (it's more pieces, but it breaks down into a smaller package than the Behringer). Just about any good MIDI pedalboard should work fine with the Echo Pro, since there are multiple ways of triggering its functions through MIDI (CC, Note #, etc.). Check the MIDI portion of the manual and you'll see. And, as Jeremy said, try using it through the aux send/return if possible. It should perform well elsewhere, but that's probably where you'll get the best results. Sound is good, models are very good, but keep in mind that the Looper algorithm is only mono and it won't sync to MIDI clock (even though the echo models will). If you can work through those limitations, then you'll have a lot of fun with it. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TL7SB21156; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:07:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 21:07:04.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[079D2C20:01C45E1D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from the link legion sent: "after recording a loop, the 16 Second will automatically save the loop into its Magna Storage and keep it there. You can turn the power off, come back the next day and Play or Overdub the loop as if you never turned the 16 Second off." This simple statement says to me that it can't be the original bucket-brigade analog delay, but rather a digital recreation/simulation of it. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:14:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TLCZf23150; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:12:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:12:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c45e1d$b78a4050$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait, but where do the bass playing/drumming come from? > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:47 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop > > > Is the sample from *Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud (Lift To The Scaffold)?* > > yes, that's why it's 'music for the lift' . The 'story' page says: > > The title refers 1) to Terry Riley's "Music for the Gift", an early tape > manipulation piece using a Miles Davis piece played by Chet Baker - and 2) > to a Miles Davis solo from "Ascenseur Pour L'echafaud" which was the raw > material for this piece. Miles Davis's trumpet is cut into pieces using a > slowly proceeding loop window. This manipulation has similarities to tape > loops but these loops move forward in time. This could not have been > realised without computer based Granular Synthesis. > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:33:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TLWho30088; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:31:30 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9LcFbD.A.JRH._-d4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm...veddee interestink. i'm not sure just by holding the loop info even when turned off denotes digital(i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug). for instance the is analog and yet holds its info fo'ever.(if i'm readin it rite :-) http://www.zvex.com/junky.html > from the link legion sent: > > "after recording a loop, the 16 Second will automatically save the loop into > its Magna Storage and keep it there. You can turn the power off, come back > the next day and Play or Overdub the loop as if you never turned the 16 > Second off." > > > This simple statement says to me that it can't be the original > bucket-brigade analog delay, but rather a digital recreation/simulation of > it. > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:52:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TLnqG02426; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 21:47:59.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[BECC1000:01C45E22] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hmmm...veddee interestink. > i'm not sure just by holding the loop info even when turned off denotes > digital(i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug). > for instance the is analog and yet holds its info > fo'ever.(if i'm readin it rite :-) > > http://www.zvex.com/junky.html OH! I didn't know the analog bucket brigade style they used in the original 16sec delay could do that, but I suppose its possible. maybe I should eat a bug! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 17:58:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TLvQV04770; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c45e23$f0bb75a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Miyalls Davis Loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:56:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a really hip technique, Michael. What's amazing is that no matter where the phrase begins it sounds musical............at least at this tempo. It also sounds to me that you have choosen a rhythmic value for the loops gradual displacement. Did you do this in the program by ear or by some calculation or is it just my imagination? Also, would you mind describing exactly how you made this? It sounds like you are using our good buddy Ras Ekmusan's Granulab, nicht wahr? I wonder if this technique could be used in real time. Nice work, Miles would be proud I think! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 18:04:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TM3BO08090; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E1E6FA.3070501@biink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:02:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miyalls Davis Loop References: <006d01c45e23$f0bb75a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <006d01c45e23$f0bb75a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop.pool wrote: >This is a really hip technique, Michael. > >What's amazing is that no matter where the phrase begins > it sounds musical............at least at this tempo. > >It also sounds to me that you have choosen a rhythmic value for >the loops gradual displacement. Did you do this in the program by ear or by >some calculation >or is it just my imagination? > >Also, would you mind describing exactly how you made this? >It sounds like you are using our good buddy Ras Ekmusan's Granulab, nicht >wahr? > >I wonder if this technique could be used in real time. > >Nice work, Miles would be proud I think! > >Rick > > > > It's the Teo software! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 18:46:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TMjOq21215; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.223.86] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5A4fDTAAu5PgEAAAAB,f7a6b72b39062056c98f0338143fc536 Message-Id: <20040629224435.CDBA93944@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The original was digital too,used dynamic rams,ad and da converters... The modern one seems to use non volatile static ram. The zvex loop junkie uses no bucket brigade,but a different technology, the ISD family chips that can store non volatile cells of analog values,well it works like a bbd... The new Eh16 looks like a completely different machine than the old from 1983... my creations... http://manecolooper.tripod.com my music... http://rendher.tripod.com --- wrote: hmmm...veddee interestink. i'm not sure just by holding the loop info even when turned off denotes digital(i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug). for instance the is analog and yet holds its info fo'ever.(if i'm readin it rite :-) http://www.zvex.com/junky.html > from the link legion sent: > > "after recording a loop, the 16 Second will automatically save the loop into > its Magna Storage and keep it there. You can turn the power off, come back > the next day and Play or Overdub the loop as if you never turned the 16 > Second off." > > > This simple statement says to me that it can't be the original > bucket-brigade analog delay, but rather a digital recreation/simulation of > it. > Jon > _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 19:44:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TNhBm07525; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:43:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:41:33 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> hmmm...veddee interestink. >> i'm not sure just by holding the loop info even when turned off denotes >> digital(i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug). >> for instance the is analog and yet holds its info >> fo'ever.(if i'm readin it rite :-) >> >> http://www.zvex.com/junky.html > > > OH! I didn't know the analog bucket brigade style they used in the original > 16sec delay could do that, but I suppose its possible. maybe I should eat a > bug! > Jon > sorry if my spreken about this is incomplete. i have the original EH16secddl and it is *still* in great working condition and it dont 'keepaloop' after shutdown. s ('eat a bug' is just a phrase-please dont eat one :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 21:23:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U1Gxw04461; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RPTR: right output is half volume... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:16:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe, do not, I repeat do not, I repeat do not, try your first soldering experience on your repeater. First of all you need a very good soldering gun which are expensive, the cheap electric kind you can get from radio shack are not capable of the kind of sustained heat needed to cure a cold or loose solder joint problem on an audio device, if that is indeed your problem. I'd first try a deoxidizing spray like De-Exit as oxidation can cause all manner of fuzzy sounding problems, volume drops etc.. And , oxidation, rust, and corrosion are all problems prevalent to coastal climates. If I'm correct you live in SF? Foggy SF? nuff said. Also make sure all of the nuts on the input and output jacks are tight. I've sometimes had loose input jacks cause weird crackling and I believe the jacks on the back of the repeater have those black plastic ones that can be tightened by hand, and also can vibrate loose. Also I have minimized my the amount of plugging and unplugging I do with my repeater. I leave it in my rack, wired to my mixer. But do try to get it looked at by someone with experience. Call Real Guitars or Haight Ashbury Music, Or Leo's Audio in Oakland for a referral. -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:07 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RPTR: right output is half volume... Yikes. I discovered that the right output of the Repeater is almost half the volume of the left. Also, there are pops and crackles when i wiggle the cable (yes, checked the cables) I fear soldering needs to happen? I've never done such a thing before but I like to try new things. Has anyone on the list ever opened up the inside of their Repeater? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 21:40:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U1doF11557; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:39:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20040629224435.CDBA93944@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:37:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2004 01:37:24.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB8303B0:01C45E42] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I stand corrected! the original eh16sec delay didn't use an analog bucket brigade delay at all. Sorry all for the confusion. Anyway, neither the original nor the reissue uses an analog delay, that's the bottom line. More info below if you're interested: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/eh16/ Jon > The original was digital too,used dynamic rams,ad and da converters... > The modern one seems to use non volatile static ram. > The zvex loop junkie uses no bucket brigade,but a different technology, > the ISD family chips that can store non volatile cells of analog values,well it works like a bbd... > The new Eh16 looks like a completely different machine than the old from 1983... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 22:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U22H619148; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.525fe848.2e1378df@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:01:03 EDT Subject: rang problem To: mnelson@dmans.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.525fe848.2e1378df_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <8oJ_o.A.6nE.F8h4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.525fe848.2e1378df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey mike!.....how are ya?.....hope all is well.....a rang problem has come up: the aux out plug that i plug into has pulled loose from the board.....the soldering is broken and the plug is not attached to anything.....can i get this piece and have a service person replace it for me? also, could i replace this plug (RCA) with a 1/4 inch plug (the thing the jack goes into).....thanks.....michael --part1_5b.525fe848.2e1378df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey mik= e!.....how are ya?.....hope all is well.....a rang problem has come up: the=20= aux out plug that i plug into has pulled loose from the board.....the solder= ing is broken and the plug is not attached to anything.....can i get this pi= ece and have a service person replace it for me? also, could i replace this=20= plug (RCA)  with a 1/4 inch plug (the thing the jack goes into).....tha= nks.....michael --part1_5b.525fe848.2e1378df_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 22:50:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U2mpk01154; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: EDPs are in at Musicians Friend Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:47:13 -0600 Message-ID: <005b01c45e4c$8e98f1d0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C45E1A.43FE81D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C45E1A.43FE81D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I decided to call MF a few minutes ago to validate my back order of two EDPs. They said they just got the units in today and have more than enough to fill their orders. They should be shipping mine in the next 48 hours hopefully. I'm jazzed. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C45E1A.43FE81D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDPs are in at Musicians Friend

I decided to call MF a few minutes = ago to validate my back order of two EDPs.  They said they just got = the units in today and have more than enough to fill their = orders.  They should be shipping mine in the next 48 hours = hopefully.  I'm jazzed.

Kris


------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C45E1A.43FE81D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 23:30:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U3OH113138; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lance Zechinato" To: Subject: RE: EDPs are in at Musicians Friend Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C45E30.57BB7280" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <005b01c45e4c$8e98f1d0$6501a8c0@khartung> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [141.157.8.100] at Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:23:46 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C45E30.57BB7280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too. I called today and they said the same thing. Can't wait. (Two!! You dawg.) -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDPs are in at Musicians Friend I decided to call MF a few minutes ago to validate my back order of two EDPs. They said they just got the units in today and have more than enough to fill their orders. They should be shipping mine in the next 48 hours hopefully. I'm jazzed. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C45E30.57BB7280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDPs are in at Musicians Friend

Me= too.  I called today and = they said the same thing.  = Can’t wait.  (Two!!  You dawg.)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, = 2004 10:47 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDPs are in at = Musicians Friend

 

I decided to = call MF a few minutes ago to validate my back order of two EDPs.  They said = they just got the units in today and have more than enough to fill = their orders.  They should be shipping mine in the next 48 hours hopefully.  I'm jazzed.<= /p>

Kris <= /p>

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C45E30.57BB7280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 29 23:47:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U3lGR15525; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Miyalls Davis Loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:47:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <006d01c45e23$f0bb75a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AcReJHW3wYthbTDXQPebRfqwTVXFCAAL7Q8w Message-Id: <20040630034633.DFXO26142.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/granulab.shtml http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Granny.htm Rick, The web pages above say: "GranuLab is a realtime generator of sound grains for Windows 95" "GranuLab makes sound in real time by generating masses of sound "grains" (usually chopped from one of your soundfiles). Built and tested under Windows 95/98 and Windows 2000. No reports of problems under XP yet." Tom -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:57 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Miyalls Davis Loop It sounds like you are using our good buddy Ras Ekmusan's Granulab, nicht wahr? I wonder if this technique could be used in real time. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 00:07:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U46n819721; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I stand corrected! the original eh16sec delay didn't use an analog bucket > brigade delay at all. Sorry all for the confusion. Anyway, neither the > original nor the reissue uses an analog delay, that's the bottom line. More > info below if you're interested: > http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/eh16/ My curiousity was more if the new delay had the analog "section" which wasn't he delay part but a sort of lofi "preamp". A few months ago when I asked on Analog heaven what the main attraction of the 16 second delay was the majority of answers said "it's the characteristic lofi *sound*" or "it's the unique gritty processed delay". The original had a separate board with had a number of now outdated chips so there was a lot ot speculation as to how this woudl be duplicated. it appears it wasn't even tried and the new machine *may* have a completely different *sound* to the old. > > The new Eh16 looks like a completely different machine than the old from > 1983... Yes, which makes me wonder when places like bananas at large write: "Is this a total recreation of the Electro-Harmonix 16-second delay pedal? Yes, with a few minor functional improvements that don't change the sound at all, but make it easier to control." Or Musictoyz mentions a feature of: "Analog Input Gain control with Signal and Clip LEDs" I wrote EH twice regarding this asking point blank if there was a real or simulated "analog section" which sought to duplicate the classic original sound. All I got back was "They're shipping now so reserve yours today!!!" IMO it doesn't make that big a deal either way. I still ordered one (what, after 20 years I'm not going to try it? -lol!) Still a clear answer woudl be nice. It seems the pedal has enough goign for it that no one needs ot make grandiose claims like "It sounds exactly like the original" when it clearly wasn't designed to. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 01:14:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U4g4k24193; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:42:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:42:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:41:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2004 04:38:50.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[24081C50:01C45E5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The reissue cannot possibly have the same analog section. The very reason these went out of production was apparently the analog input aliasing filter chip for the A/D converter. I'm sure that had quite a bit to do with the characteristic sound of the device. At the same time, I'm sure that all kinds of creative people are going to figure out real quick how to make this thing sing. They have the advantage of not wasting time worrying about how accurately it recreates the sound of the "old one" and more time to delight in the here and now. 'Course, I love getting into the finer points like this as much as any GAS afflicted musician. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 02:12:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U6BJ705674; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:11:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:14:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good to know. Thanks for the information. I'll keep him in mind the next time I'm looking for a toy. Mark On Jun 29, 2004, at 8:11 AM, Legion wrote: > > FTR, Nothing schetchy about it. Ron has been an estabilish EH guru for > years > and years and in fact is one of the few people who consistently > repairs, > mods, and remanufactures all EH pedals including special attention to > the > 16 second. He even has his own external pedal board for the unit far > superior in build to the original. He's not only legit, he's one of the > best pedal specialists in the country and happened to be selling the > new > EH 16 for at least $100 below any other dealer. He's also been very > easy > to reach and incredibily honest in all my dealings with him over the > years > > He works on all sorts of other pedals (has fixed many an Ibanez or > Multivox thing for me and my friends). I won't speculate on why he > asked > for the deposit but I for one was thrilled to pay him as he not only > has > the best price, but I can't imagine a more deserving person. He's VERY > responsible for keeping EH stuff alive and in the know. > > I think he is still taking orders for the next batch: > > http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/ > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. >> That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit >> ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz >> seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I >> already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate >> in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal >> with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say >> anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my >> spider-sense tingle. >> >> Take care, >> >> Mark >> >> On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> >>> --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>>> So the thing they said would never exist, does >>>> indeed exist. Now, I >>>> never owned or even used the original, but I'll give >>>> my first >>>> impression of this little box. >>> >>> Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just >>> curious. >>> >>> Paolo >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >>> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >>> >> > > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 02:23:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U6Lr007302; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:21:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:21:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A416237-CA5E-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:24:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought the original was digital. Am I wrong? Mark On Jun 29, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: > from the link legion sent: > > "after recording a loop, the 16 Second will automatically save the > loop into > its Magna Storage and keep it there. You can turn the power off, come > back > the next day and Play or Overdub the loop as if you never turned the 16 > Second off." > > > This simple statement says to me that it can't be the original > bucket-brigade analog delay, but rather a digital > recreation/simulation of > it. > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 02:33:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U6Wm608742; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:35:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c45e1d$b78a4050$2b00a8c0@mobilegrfx> X-Seen: false X-ID: Z60vQaZQQeibOcMKRu31b3G-nDl+IqE1OkIiUVlcdwDH9MzBrJxHZ+@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wait, but where do the bass playing/drumming come from? they're part of the original recording > you have choosen a rhythmic value for the loops gradual displacement. Did you do this in the program by ear or by some calculation I found the value simply by trial and error until it created some kind of rhythm created from the slices of the original rhythm > Also, would you mind describing exactly how you made this? I used Granulab which does the chopping into slices and rearranging them - I don't want to explain granular synthesis here - the piece was basically created by feeding the original recording into Granulab, and finding the best placements for three or four sliders, the rest happened on its own without any intervention from my side. > I wonder if this technique could be used in real time. Granular synthesis can never really manipulate the real time signal in real time as it basically always samples a sound, chops it into grains, and plays them back in a different order. So it has some similarities to looping, really. Granulab is not designed to work with real time signals but the wonderful Audiomulch has a real time granulator which even uses an internal delay. Probably Reaktor has a similar feature. I'm not sure if a technique similar to the Miles piece could be done in real time with Audiomulch, maybe it would be interesting to try that. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 02:59:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5U6x6N13430; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c45e6f$ac2679c0$16955142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Miels Davis loop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:58:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I used Granulab which does the chopping into slices and rearranging them - I > don't want to explain granular synthesis here - the piece was basically > created by feeding the original recording into Granulab, and finding the > best placements for three or four sliders, the rest happened on its own > without any intervention from my side. I've found Granulab to be an amazing way to spend entire evenings just feeding it stuff and being amazed by the results! It's a very simple interface to explore, but has amazing depth once you start to learn how the various modules interact. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 09:58:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UDuhs20211; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Jon Wagner wrote: > At the same time, I'm sure that all kinds of creative people are going to > figure out real quick how to make this thing sing. They have the advantage > of not wasting time worrying about how accurately it recreates the sound of > the "old one" and more time to delight in the here and now. 'Course, I love > getting into the finer points like this as much as any GAS afflicted > musician. LOL! My point exactly! My quibble is EH and dealers are advertising this as *exactly* the same sound as the original. It's not. It doesn't even operate the same as the original (Bars vs time as just one MAJOR difference) It's an amazing piece of gear so why not let it stand on it's own legs (buttons)? Why lie? I have plenty or "virtual" analog gear. I have plenty of 1970s opriginal analog modular synthesizers too. That doesn't stop me from recognizing the originality and benenfits fo using something liek a modern rompler or Nord Modualr when I feel like it. I wish sales teams would have a little more respect for the buyer sometimes. Granted not everyone is as edicated as the average Looper's Delight member (!) but still there's not reason to hype something to the point of falsehood. Just my $999.99 list price. :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 10:00:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UDuel20183; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:56:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:56:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Miels Davis loop Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:56:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <002501c45e6f$ac2679c0$16955142@Biffoz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRecAqTTvZO2qXjR3aIgrGX+Wk8NAANXcEw Message-Id: <20040630135545.SPR24672.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5UDtoh19695 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Malström Graintable Synthesizer in the Reason rack is also very much fun to play with. I use a Evolution uc-33 midi controller with its knobs, sliders, and buttons, to control any of the devices in Reason in real time. It comes with some presets already mapped for the major instruments in the Reason rack, including the Malström. The other have to be mapped manually. After hearing Michael's wonderful Miles piece, I was inspired to experiment with it. I routed Reason's drum machine through it, playing and changing some randomly generated patterns. I also connected their matrix pattern sequencer with the Malström, again just playing and changing some randomly generated patterns. I then added 2 dr rex loop players to play some back ground rhythms while I played with the Malström. It was a lotta fun. Thanks Michael for the inspiration. You can also play the Reason instruments with a midi keyboard, which I didn't use last night. I'm not sure if Reason can handle external audio signals? Anyone work with this? Here's a bit from Reason's Help: Introduction The Malström is a polyphonic synthesizer with a great number of different routing possibilities. It is based on the concept of what we call "Graintable Synthesis", and is ideally suited for producing swirling, sharp, distorted, abstract special effect types of synthesizer sounds. In fact, you could go so far as to say that the Malström can produce sounds quite unlike anything you've ever heard from a synthesizer. The following are the basic features of the Malström: Two Oscillators, based on Graintable Synthesis. Two Modulators, featuring tempo sync and one-shot options. Two Filters and one Shaper. A number of different filter modes in combination with several routing options and a Waveshaper makes it possible to create truly astounding filter effects. Three Envelope generators. There is one amplitude envelope for each oscillator and a common envelope for both filters. Polyphony of up to 16 voices. Velocity and Modulation control. A number of CV/Gate Modulation possibilities. A variety of Audio Input/Output options. You can for instance connect external audio sources for input to the Malström, and you can also control its output. Theory of operation To give you a clear understanding of the inner workings of the Malström, it might be in order with a brief explanation of what we call Graintable Synthesis. What we refer to as Graintable Synthesis is actually a combination of two synthesis methods; Granular Synthesis and Wavetable Synthesis. In granular synthesis, sound is generated by a number of short, contiguous segments (grains) of sound, each typically between 5 to 100 milliseconds long. The sound is varied by changing the properties of each grain and/or the order in which they are spliced together. Grains can be produced either by a mathematical formula or by a sampled sound. This is a very dynamic synthesis method with a lot of variation possibilities, although somewhat hard to master and control. Wavetable synthesis on the other hand, is basically the playback of a sampled waveform. An oscillator in a wavetable synth plays back a single period of a waveform, and some wavetable synths also allow the possibility of sweeping through a set of periodic waveforms. This is a very straightforward synthesis method that is easily controlled, but somewhat limited in variation possibilities. The Malström combines these two into a synthesis method that provides a very flexible way of synthesizing sounds with incredible flux and mutability. It works like this: The oscillators in the Malström play back sampled sounds that are subject to some very complex processing and cut up into a number of grains. From here on, these sounds will be referred to as Graintables This results in a set of periodic waveforms (a graintable) that, when spliced together, play back the original sampled sound. This can then be treated just like a wavetable. I.e. It is possible to sweep through it. Move through it at any speed without affecting pitch. Play any section of it repeatedly. Use it to pick static waveforms. Jump between positions. Etc. etc. It is also possible to perform a number of other tricks, all of which are described further on in this chapter. -----Original Message----- From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miels Davis loop > I used Granulab which does the chopping into slices and rearranging > them - I > don't want to explain granular synthesis here - the piece was > basically created by feeding the original recording into Granulab, and > finding the best placements for three or four sliders, the rest > happened on its own without any intervention from my side. I've found Granulab to be an amazing way to spend entire evenings just feeding it stuff and being amazed by the results! It's a very simple interface to explore, but has amazing depth once you start to learn how the various modules interact. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 10:46:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UEhjC14412; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c45eb0$9764d7c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040629142954.9038.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> <647B26AC-C9DB-11D8-BBC9-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:43:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-MjG_B.A.qbD.EGt4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musictoyz is actually a sketchy as hell company. In the end many people have been ripped off by them.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions > Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. > That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit > ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz > seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I > already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate > in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal > with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say > anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my > spider-sense tingle. > > Take care, > > Mark > > On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> So the thing they said would never exist, does > >> indeed exist. Now, I > >> never owned or even used the original, but I'll give > >> my first > >> impression of this little box. > > > > Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just > > curious. > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 10:54:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UEran20162; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:57:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are they lying? It seems that they're just being secretive and letting the looper sell in it's father's laurels. Just like our president! Anyway, as someone who's got one (am I the only one here who does?) I say it's pretty damn cool on it's own merits and I think EH would do OK to start mass marketing. My complaints? Make it only 2 minutes (do we really need 4 minutes of loop time for a single loop?) and do it stereo. (Yes Mark Hamburg. I actually really do want stereo and find it a benefit and miss it when it's gone) Put clicks on bar markers. A display would rule. Yeah, I know old schoolers would cringe if there was an LED display. Tap Tempo. They could loose the time slider entirely with a tap tempo. Having both would rule. I love the ability to pre set the length of the loop though so this is a small thing. The ability to send the metronome to a headphone jack. (does no one get this?) That's all. Mark On Jun 30, 2004, at 3:48 AM, Legion wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Jon Wagner wrote: >> At the same time, I'm sure that all kinds of creative people are >> going to >> figure out real quick how to make this thing sing. They have the >> advantage >> of not wasting time worrying about how accurately it recreates the >> sound of >> the "old one" and more time to delight in the here and now. 'Course, >> I love >> getting into the finer points like this as much as any GAS afflicted >> musician. > > LOL! My point exactly! > > My quibble is EH and dealers are advertising this as *exactly* the same > sound as the original. It's not. It doesn't even operate the same as > the > original (Bars vs time as just one MAJOR difference) > > It's an amazing piece of gear so why not let it stand on it's own legs > (buttons)? Why lie? > > I have plenty or "virtual" analog gear. I have plenty of 1970s > opriginal > analog modular synthesizers too. That doesn't stop me from recognizing > the > originality and benenfits fo using something liek a modern rompler or > Nord > Modualr when I feel like it. I wish sales teams would have a little > more > respect for the buyer sometimes. Granted not everyone is as edicated as > the average Looper's Delight member (!) but still there's not reason to > hype something to the point of falsehood. > > Just my $999.99 list price. > > :) > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 11:09:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UF6Gc27319; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <002b01c45eb0$9764d7c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <20040629142954.9038.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> <647B26AC-C9DB-11D8-BBC9-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> <002b01c45eb0$9764d7c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C40B1C6-CAA7-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Musictoyz.com (was Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:08:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny, when I asked about that exact thing here not a single person responded. When you lob an insinuation like that out there, it might be good to give a real world "for instance." Where you ever ripped off by them? Who was that you know and how? I didn't find anything substantial doing a google search about them being a bad retailer. In fact, I found one that just seemed mad they didn't get a shipping confirmation and I actually found a bunch of people who said they had good experience. They sent me order confirmations, answered an email and sent the item out quickly. From my experience I'd order from them again in a heart beat. I think their site is nice and informative and service was as good as any I've had. Maybe Ron's your best friend and fixes guitar pedals while he walks on water. I'm probably silly for not ordering from him, but I honestly didn't think I was going to get an EH16 when he posted. Cheerio, Mark On Jun 30, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > Musictoyz is actually a sketchy as hell company. In the end many > people > have been ripped off by them.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions > > >> Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. >> That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit >> ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz >> seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I >> already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate >> in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal >> with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say >> anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my >> spider-sense tingle. >> >> Take care, >> >> Mark >> >> On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> >>> --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>>> So the thing they said would never exist, does >>>> indeed exist. Now, I >>>> never owned or even used the original, but I'll give >>>> my first >>>> impression of this little box. >>> >>> Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just >>> curious. >>> >>> Paolo >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >>> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 11:35:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UFXMo08272; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001e01c45eb6$a533a2e0$de63fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: RPTR: right output is half volume... Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:55:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Zoe, do you have your RPTR connected to your rig via a patchbay of some sort? I once went into serious troubles when I played at a cold, damp grotto and moisture kept creeping into my patchbay connectors, producing all sorts of strangely distorted sounds. So William is right, the climate you live in might indeed have a huge influence on your gear. Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:16 AM Subject: RE: RPTR: right output is half volume... > Zoe, do not, I repeat do not, I repeat do not, try your first soldering > experience on your repeater. First of all you need a very good soldering gun > which are expensive, the cheap electric kind you can get from radio shack > are not capable of the kind of sustained heat needed to cure a cold or loose > solder joint problem on an audio device, if that is indeed your problem. I'd > first try a deoxidizing spray like De-Exit as oxidation can cause all manner > of fuzzy sounding problems, volume drops etc.. And , oxidation, rust, and > corrosion are all problems prevalent to coastal climates. If I'm correct you > live in SF? Foggy SF? nuff said. Also make sure all of the nuts on the > input and output jacks are tight. I've sometimes had loose input jacks cause > weird crackling and I believe the jacks on the back of the repeater have > those black plastic ones that can be tightened by hand, and also can vibrate > loose. Also I have minimized my the amount of plugging and unplugging I do > with my repeater. I leave it in my rack, wired to my mixer. But do try to > get it looked at by someone with experience. Call Real Guitars or Haight > Ashbury Music, Or Leo's Audio in Oakland for a referral. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:07 PM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RPTR: right output is half volume... > > > Yikes. I discovered that the right output of the Repeater is almost > half the volume of the left. Also, there are pops and crackles when i > wiggle the cable (yes, checked the cables) > > I fear soldering needs to happen? I've never done such a thing before > but I like to try new things. Has anyone on the list ever opened up the > inside of their Repeater? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 11:39:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UFcxl11440; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c45eb8$534daf50$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040629142954.9038.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> <647B26AC-C9DB-11D8-BBC9-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> <002b01c45eb0$9764d7c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <5C40B1C6-CAA7-11D8-84D0-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Musictoyz.com (was Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:38:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I don't order gear offline(mostly because I end up paying too many additional cost to get it into canada, and I am a person who likes to try before I buy). People I know? A few have read about bad experences dealing with musictoyz, be it being treated terribly, or that they waited 8-12 months to get there gear from them(and msuictoyz ignoring request to cancel orders and refund money). A lot of guitarist webfourms have stories about dealing with musictoyz on them, and I have no reason to NOT believe them. I have no idea who ron is beyond a nice, informative site on EH. I know others experences with musictoyz. If yours went smoothly, great. maybe they are changing there buisness habits. Also, I probably missed the first posting about musictoyz, i tend to go days without checking this fourm as I am not a EDP user, and am only really interested in the posting about pedal loopers/upcoming shows. I probably missed it...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Musictoyz.com (was Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions) > Funny, when I asked about that exact thing here not a single person > responded. > > When you lob an insinuation like that out there, it might be good to > give a real world "for instance." Where you ever ripped off by them? > howWho was that you know and ? > > I didn't find anything substantial doing a google search about them > being a bad retailer. In fact, I found one that just seemed mad they > didn't get a shipping confirmation and I actually found a bunch of > people who said they had good experience. They sent me order > confirmations, answered an email and sent the item out quickly. From > my experience I'd order from them again in a heart beat. I think their > site is nice and informative and service was as good as any I've had. > > Maybe Ron's your best friend and fixes guitar pedals while he walks on > water. I'm probably silly for not ordering from him, but I honestly > didn't think I was going to get an EH16 when he posted. > > Cheerio, > > Mark > > On Jun 30, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > Musictoyz is actually a sketchy as hell company. In the end many > > people > > have been ripped off by them.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:48 AM > > Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions > > > > > >> Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. > >> That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit > >> ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz > >> seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I > >> already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate > >> in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal > >> with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say > >> anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my > >> spider-sense tingle. > >> > >> Take care, > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >> > >>> --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >>>> So the thing they said would never exist, does > >>>> indeed exist. Now, I > >>>> never owned or even used the original, but I'll give > >>>> my first > >>>> impression of this little box. > >>> > >>> Mark, did you get your EH16 from Music Toyz? Just > >>> curious. > >>> > >>> Paolo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > >>> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >>> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 11:41:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UFeUW12293; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RPTR: right output is half volume... Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:39:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "De-Exit",, Oops, I meant to say DE- OXIT, this stuff is available a Radio Shack or a good electronic supply store. It works wonders. Cheerio! Bill -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RPTR: right output is half volume... Zoe, do not, I repeat do not, I repeat do not, try your first soldering experience on your repeater. First of all you need a very good soldering gun which are expensive, the cheap electric kind you can get from radio shack are not capable of the kind of sustained heat needed to cure a cold or loose solder joint problem on an audio device, if that is indeed your problem. I'd first try a deoxidizing spray like De-Exit as oxidation can cause all manner of fuzzy sounding problems, volume drops etc.. And , oxidation, rust, and corrosion are all problems prevalent to coastal climates. If I'm correct you live in SF? Foggy SF? nuff said. Also make sure all of the nuts on the input and output jacks are tight. I've sometimes had loose input jacks cause weird crackling and I believe the jacks on the back of the repeater have those black plastic ones that can be tightened by hand, and also can vibrate loose. Also I have minimized my the amount of plugging and unplugging I do with my repeater. I leave it in my rack, wired to my mixer. But do try to get it looked at by someone with experience. Call Real Guitars or Haight Ashbury Music, Or Leo's Audio in Oakland for a referral. -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:07 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RPTR: right output is half volume... Yikes. I discovered that the right output of the Repeater is almost half the volume of the left. Also, there are pops and crackles when i wiggle the cable (yes, checked the cables) I fear soldering needs to happen? I've never done such a thing before but I like to try new things. Has anyone on the list ever opened up the inside of their Repeater? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 12:34:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UGTAQ04664; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40E2E938.7030205@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:24:24 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Maneco products References: <20040629224435.CDBA93944@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20040629224435.CDBA93944@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Juan, I can't believe the rate at which you put out new products. Over the last few months I've hit your site just to do a bit of lusting, and each time I saw a new product - first the Nanolooper, now the Filter Eko (damn, all those filllllters!). You should definitely post an announcement here on LD whenever you come up with a new product, I think it'd be a service to those looking for new gear (and obviously looping-related). and thanks for your work. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >my creations... >http://manecolooper.tripod.com > >my music... >http://rendher.tripod.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 13:24:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UHN5927071; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hughes and Kettner Replex Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:21:35 +0000 Message-Id: <063020041721.25237.40E2F69D0002DB790000629522007358340301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25237_1088616095_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25237_1088616095_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, Can anybody put their two cents in here on the following dialog between me and the US Distributor of Hughes and Kettner? I recently purchased a used H&K Replex locally. My description of it's behavior is in the following text. I'd appreciate it if someone can confirm the distributor's sentiments that the Replex IS acting like a normal tape delay would. Anybody with first hand experience with an actual Echoplex tape delay, and/or a Replex? My recent agitation/GAS about a manipulatable delay pedal that 'feels' right continues. I'm just kind of sick of the feel of my DL4, and I thought the Replex would be the shiznit. Uhhhh.....no. Another knock on the head that 'modelling' doesn't mean 'real'. Yesterday, I took a long lunch and tried out the Ibanez Delay/Echo that was recommended on list. Nice! Also tried out the EH Memory Man (suggested as 'boring' on list....confirmed IMO), and the Maxon AD999 Analog Delay. Man....I realized how nice that darn pedal feels. Soft, spongy delays that feel....well....musical. Self-oscillation that reacts to turning the knob the way your car reacts to turning the steering wheel...predictable but edgy...like if you gave it a good whack you were going for a spin, but if you played on the edge, you could get a hair or two to move on the back of your neck without losing your life in the deal. Big empty parking lot, iced over, rear-wheel drive car with judiscous use of the parking brake kinda feel, ya know? Anyway...sorry for the long post. Any feedback regarding the Replex is appreciated. It SOUNDS great. I was just hoping to make some god-awful noise with it! best regards, Rich -------------- Original message -------------- > >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:00:57 -0700 > >To: "Dennis Shepherd" > >From: rich > >Subject: RE: Hughes and Kettner Replex > >Cc: > >Bcc: > >X-Attachments: > > > >Dennis, > > > >Thank you very much for your prompt response. I have never used an > >actual Echoplex tape delay, so I am going to have to take your word > >on the 'reset' issue. > >I have used many analog delays, and I guess I'm accustomed to > >getting continuous self-oscillation that you can continue mangling > >for extended periods of time, adding new material and continuing to > >warp the sound. You can often get good soundscapes after working > >with a signal for a couple of minutes. > > > >In contrast, the Replex only has a very limited movement. I will > >revisit it again with your suggetions on knowing where the 'reset' > >happens and not crossing that line. > > > >I guess i'm expecting the Replex to act more like an analog delay > >than a tape delay! > > > >Many thanks for your input. > > > >best regards, > > > >Rich Atkinson > > > > > >>Hi Rich, > >> > >>This is exactly how the old Echoplexes worked as well and the Replex was > >>designed to mimic that as closely as possible. I suggest you get > >>accustomed to exactly where it resets and then just do not cross that > >>line so to speak so you can keep the sound going. When you get to a > >>certain point with the delay time it is to short to carry the sound. > >>Also, run the feedback knob all the way up for maximum effect. There is > >>nothing wrong with your unit, it just has limitations with that sound > >>like the originals tape based echoes. > >> > >>Best Regards, > >> > >>Dennis Shepherd > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: rich [mailto:rich@nvm2c.com] > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:01 PM > >>To: Dennis Shepherd > >>Subject: Hughes and Kettner Replex > >> > >>Hi Dennis, > >> > >>Sorry to bother you, but your name came up as the US Distributor on the > >>Hughes and Kettner dealers and distributors list on their website. > >> > >>I'm in Southern California, and I have just recently purchased a used > >>H&K Replex. It is in great condition, in the original box. It seems to > >>function just fine with one exception. > >> > >>I know there are dealers in California, but I'm not sure if they would > >>even have a Replex in stock to compare to, or if they could answer my > >>question. I have already written to Hughes and Kettner via the website > >>'contact' page, and no one has even responded to my query. > >> > >>My issue with the Replex is this... When turning the feedback knob up to > >>the point where the unit self-oscillates, you can then turn the delay > >>time knob to get detuning, wild effects. This is exactly what I bought > >>the Replex for, to mimic as close as possible tape and analog delay > >>effects, especially when radically altering the delay time. I use this > >>method mostly for sound design and loop mangling. > >> > >>However, when the Replex tries to do this, it will begin the detuning > >>when I turn the knob, and then the delay trails will suddenly stop, and > >>the Replex seems to 'reset' itself. The self-oscillation begins again, > >>but if I move the time knob again, I can make it 'reset' once again. > >> > >>This happens either detuning the delay line slower (longer), or faster > >>(shorter). And, the faster I move the knob, the quicker the 'reset' > >>happens. I cannot get a continuous soundscape movement happening by > >>turning the time knob back and forth. It constantly resets. > >> > >>Although the unit seems to function just fine as a standard delay at a > >>single setting, I find the unit unuseable to do any sort of sound > >>mangling, which was what I wanted to do with the unit. I can find > >>analog delays for about the same price as the Replex, but my research > >>led me to believe that the Replex was the best sounding tape delay > >>emulator available. I certainly hope this is not how the unit operates > >>as normal, or I will definitely have to try to sell it for another > >>alternative. > >> > >>Could you please tell me if this is the performance I can expect from > >>the Replex, or is the unit faulty in some way? If you cannot answer the > >>question, could you please lead me in the appropriate direction to ask > >>someone who is knowlegeable about the Replex? If the unit is faulty, do > >>you have any idea on who would repair it? > >> > >>Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. > >> > >>Best Regards, > >> > >>Rich Atkinson > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25237_1088616095_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi All,

Can anybody put their two cents in here on the following dialog between me and the US Distributor of Hughes and Kettner?  I recently purchased a used H&K Replex locally.  My description of it's behavior is in the following text.

I'd appreciate it if someone can confirm the distributor's sentiments that the Replex IS acting like a normal tape delay would.  Anybody with first hand experience with an actual Echoplex tape delay, and/or a Replex?

My recent agitation/GAS about a manipulatable delay pedal that 'feels' right continues.  I'm just kind of sick of the feel of my DL4, and I thought the Replex would be the shiznit.  Uhhhh.....no.  Another knock on the head that 'modelling' doesn't mean 'real'.  Yesterday, I took a long lunch and tried out the Ibanez Delay/Echo that was recommended on list.  Nice!  Also tried out the EH Memory Man (suggested as 'boring' on list....confirmed IMO), and the Maxon AD999 Analog Delay.  Man....I realized how nice that darn pedal feels.  Soft, spongy delays that feel....well....musical.  Self-oscillation that reacts to turning the knob the way your car reacts to turning the steering wheel...predictable but edgy...like if you gave it a good whack you were going for a spin, but if you played on the edge, you could get a hair or two to move on the back of your neck without losing your life in the deal.  Big empty parking lot, iced over, rear-wheel drive car with judiscous use of the parking brake kinda feel, ya know?

Anyway...sorry for the long post.  Any feedback regarding the Replex is appreciated.  It SOUNDS great.  I was just hoping to make some god-awful noise with it!

best regards,

Rich

 

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> >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:00:57 -0700
> >To: "Dennis Shepherd"
> >From: rich
> >Subject: RE: Hughes and Kettner Replex
> >Cc:
> >Bcc:
> >X-Attachments:
> >
> >Dennis,
> >
> >Thank you very much for your prompt response. I have never used an
> >actual Echoplex tape delay, so I am going to have to take your word
> >on the 'reset' issue.
> >I have used many analog delays, and I guess I'm accustomed to
> >getting continuous self-oscillation that you can continue mangling
> >for extended periods of time, adding new material and continuing to
> >warp the sound. You can often get good soundscapes after working
> >with a signal for a couple of minutes.
> >
> >In contrast, the Replex only has a very limited movement. I will
> >revisit it again with your suggetions on knowing where the 'reset'
> >happens and not crossing that line.
> >
> >I guess i'm expecting the Replex to act more like an analog delay
> >than a tape delay!
> >
> >Many thanks for your input.
> >
> >best regards,
> >
> >Rich Atkinson
> >
> >
> >>Hi Rich,
> >>
> >>This is exactly how the old Echoplexes worked as well and the Replex was
> >>designed to mimic that as closely as possible. I suggest you get
> >>accustomed to exactly where it resets and then just do not cross that
> >>line so to speak so you can keep the sound going. When you get to a
> >>certain point with the delay time it is to short to carry the sound.
> >>Also, run the feedback knob all the way up for maximum effect. There is
> >>nothing wrong with your unit, it just has limitations with that sound
> >>like the originals tape based echoes.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Dennis Shepherd
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: rich [mailto:rich@nvm2c.com]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:01 PM
> >>To: Dennis Shepherd
> >>Subject: Hughes and Kettner Replex
> >>
> >>Hi Dennis,
> >>
> >>Sorry to bother you, but your name came up as the US Distributor on the
> >>Hughes and Kettner dealers and distributors list on their website.
> >>
> >>I'm in Southern California, and I have just recently purchased a used
> >>H&K Replex. It is in great condition, in the original box. It seems to
> >>function just fine with one exception.
> >>
> >>I know there are dealers in California, but I'm not sure if they would
> >>even have a Replex in stock to compare to, or if they could answer my
> >>question. I have already written to Hughes and Kettner via the website
> >>'contact' page, and no one has even responded to my query.
> >>
> >>My issue with the Replex is this... When turning the feedback knob up to
> >>the point where the unit self-oscillates, you can then turn the delay
> >>time knob to get detuning, wild effects. This is exactly what I bought
> >>the Replex for, to mimic as close as possible tape and analog delay
> >>effects, especially when radically altering the delay time. I use this
> >>method mostly for sound design and loop mangling.
> >>
> >>However, when the Replex tries to do this, it will begin the detuning
> >>when I turn the knob, and then the delay trails will suddenly stop, and
> >>the Replex seems to 'reset' itself. The self-oscillation begins again,
> >>but if I move the time knob again, I can make it 'reset' once again.
> >>
> >>This happens either detuning the delay line slower (longer), or faster
> >>(shorter). And, the faster I move the knob, the quicker the 'reset'
> >>happens. I cannot get a continuous soundscape movement happening by
> >>turning the time knob back and forth. It constantly resets.
> >>
> >>Although the unit seems to function just fine as a standard delay at a
> >>single setting, I find the unit unuseable to do any sort of sound
> >>mangling, which was what I wanted to do with the unit. I can find
> >>analog delays for about the same price as the Replex, but my research
> >>led me to believe that the Replex was the best sounding tape delay
> >>emulator available. I certainly hope this is not how the unit operates
> >>as normal, or I will definitely have to try to sell it for another
> >>alternative.
> >>
> >>Could you please tell me if this is the performance I can expect from
> >>the Replex, or is the unit faulty in some way? If you cannot answer the
> >>question, could you please lead me in the appropriate direction to ask
> >>someone who is knowlegeable about the Replex? If the unit is faulty, do
> >>you have any idea on who would repair it?
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Rich Atkinson
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25237_1088616095_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 14:58:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UIurd28970; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:56:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maneco products Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [67.17.7.25] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5A4wyiAAejSAEAAAAB,306959e288ab5faea4c033c856587964 Message-Id: <20040630185530.7E6A57276@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i5UItbh28493 Resent-Message-ID: <48ncM.A.c9G.qyw4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Daryl, thanks a million for your feedback...it's good to see my efforts apretiated...i try to keep my low profile on LD list,because i don´t want to be seen as an spamer,there's so much i owe to this list in terms of ideas,information...that the last thing i would like to do is abusing it...regarding the rate of new products,i have some new machines to release soon,that will be a breakthrough on my line...i'm working hard... Thanks again!!!! Maneco btw,please take some time some day to hear some of my music at rendher's page... my creations... http://manecolooper.tripod.com my music... http://rendher.tripod.com --- Daryl wrote: Juan, I can't believe the rate at which you put out new products. Over the last few months I've hit your site just to do a bit of lusting, and each time I saw a new product - first the Nanolooper, now the Filter Eko (damn, all those filllllters!). You should definitely post an announcement here on LD whenever you come up with a new product, I think it'd be a service to those looking for new gear (and obviously looping-related). and thanks for your work. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >my creations... >http://manecolooper.tripod.com > >my music... >http://rendher.tripod.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 15:04:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UJ2mD32569; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:02:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040630185418.95898.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Make it only 2 minutes (do we really need 4 minutes Does the EH16 not allow the creation of loops shorter than 4 minutes? > of loop time for a > single loop?) and do it stereo. (Yes Mark Hamburg. For what you paid MusicToyz, you could have gotten 2 EH16s. Problem solved. I keed, I keed!!! ;) Or pick up a Manecolooper as the 2nd looper. The Elite version has MIDI clock out too, though I have no idea how you'd sync two looper pedals which both output MIDI clock. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 15:48:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UJeJn15250; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02be01c45ed9$d8506c80$707638d4@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: <200406290649.i5T6nVA12067@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040629115809.02810ca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Insert mode questions Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:38:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <252rgC.A.VkD.Hbx4AB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Quantize has three "on" values: cycle, sub-cycle, and loop. When > >starting an Insert, are all three of these treated as if they > >were "cycle", or is it possible to quantize the beginning > >of an insert to a sub-cycle or loop? > > Yes, that's a fault in the manual. >In Loop3 there was only Quant=CYC ( or OFF), >and it seems that sentence didn't get updated to cover the new >settings. > andy butler. Hi - is this the only mistake in the manual - or are there any other known errors??? Dave Sturt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 16:12:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UKA6g27790; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:10:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:10:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040630150423.01d650b8@mail.ronsound.com> X-Sender: theehman@mail.ronsound.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:08:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ronald C. Neely II" Subject: Re: Ron and the 16 Second Digital Delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bluemarble.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the kind words, Mike. Since the 16SDD is being advertised as a limited production item, I figured the $100 deposit will allow people to make sure that they will have one reserved for them. I know I don't have a big fancy storefront like Musictoyz, but I try. BTW, my next project will be the EH Buyer's Club, where members will continue to get great prices on EH stuff. Mark, I don't walk on water yet but I am getting it to knee level. Of course it's harder to do while working on pedals ;) At 03:10 PM 6/29/2004, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) >From: Legion >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Electro-harmonix 16 second Delay reissue first impressions >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >FTR, Nothing schetchy about it. Ron has been an estabilish EH guru for years >and years and in fact is one of the few people who consistently repairs, >mods, and remanufactures all EH pedals including special attention to the >16 second. He even has his own external pedal board for the unit far >superior in build to the original. He's not only legit, he's one of the >best pedal specialists in the country and happened to be selling the new >EH 16 for at least $100 below any other dealer. He's also been very easy >to reach and incredibily honest in all my dealings with him over the years > >He works on all sorts of other pedals (has fixed many an Ibanez or >Multivox thing for me and my friends). I won't speculate on why he asked >for the deposit but I for one was thrilled to pay him as he not only has >the best price, but I can't imagine a more deserving person. He's VERY >responsible for keeping EH stuff alive and in the know. > >I think he is still taking orders for the next batch: > >http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/ > > > > > >On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Yeah I did. I didn't act when the Ron guy asked for the $100 deposit. > > That sounded weird. Take my credit card and charge it when the unit > > ships. The Ron guy struck me as maybe a bit sketchy where Musictoyz > > seemed like an established business. It set me back more money, but I > > already have it and I'm sure a piece of gear like this will appreciate > > in value as time goes by. Musictoyz was really, really nice to deal > > with, they seem like a small but honest business. I can't really say > > anything bad about Ron, but the whole deposit thing made my > > spider-sense tingle. > > > > Take care, > > > > Mark Ron Neely II The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com fx schematics and repairs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 16:56:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5UKnMP10502; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FA: Joystick and Korg Synth parts.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone from the lists buys these let me know and I'll throw in the remaining plastic keys and slider caps I have for free. Thanks :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3733740476 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3733739733 ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 23:38:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i613WmA11003; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040630150423.01d650b8@mail.ronsound.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040630150423.01d650b8@mail.ronsound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Ron and the 16 Second Digital Delay Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:36:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 30, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Ronald C. Neely II wrote: > Mark, > I don't walk on water yet but I am getting it to knee level. Of > course it's harder to do while working on pedals ;) > Nice. Next time I'm in the market for something from EH, you're my man. Today I did a bunch of tests using the EH16DD's MIDI clock to drive my E-MU XL-7 and it worked like a charm. I'm now ready to gig with my guitar and a single backpack worth of gear. Exciting. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 30 23:40:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i613eCj11829; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040630185418.95898.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040630185418.95898.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: EH 16 second manual online... Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:43:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > Does the EH16 not allow the creation of loops shorter > than 4 minutes? Of course. 4 is the max. > >> of loop time for a >> single loop?) and do it stereo. (Yes Mark Hamburg. > > For what you paid MusicToyz, you could have gotten 2 > EH16s. Problem solved. Perhaps you should spend less time thinking of your best friend Ron and more time practicing your arithmetic. It was not that much more. ;) I'll keep Ron in mind next time I need some EH gear. I wish someone would have spoken up when I asked about him in the first place. Oh well. I probably missed his deal anyway. > I keed, I keed!!! ;) I'll see your keed and raise you one! > > Or pick up a Manecolooper as the 2nd looper. The > Elite version has MIDI clock out too, though I have no > idea how you'd sync two looper pedals which both > output MIDI clock. > Yeah, it's not that important. If I were to have to buy a second unit to get stereo, I'd go for another Repeater. I'm just saying. For the EH16's main purpose I don't need it to be stereo as it is to be part of my Special Ops rig when I need to get into a gig, loop and leave in a hurry. Cheerio, Mark
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