From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 04:06:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB193s520462; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Muting looper feature wish--and a request Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:03:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara and Matthias try to help-- > If I'm understanding you correctly, all you have to do is to use the sub >function of insert. no, he wants to resize the loop (multiply) at the same time ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Yes sir, you are correct-- I have spent no time looping recently--I will keep trying to find a reliable way to do this--I didn't spend enough time to find the right combination of MIDI commands, but this feature will be very useful when I get it right. Thanks to all, and hope your weekend was good! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 08:25:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1DKqH32089; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533CF1@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533CF1@LON-MAIL07> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:22:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Rack Bags... the soft revolution! Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: Rack Bags... the soft revolution!
there is a big business to be done with soft Racks:

the success of the spine animals over the big insects in the evolution comes from the physical fact that sturdyness creates big shock forces.
the outer shell works for small objects, not for heavy ones.
the car industry also understood that and creates a strong internal structure and front ends that "give in" to reduce the power of the shock and protect the people inside.

for the rack this means:
the harder you make the corners, the harder the shock for the equipment inside.
a second shell with spring dampening is a solution, but very expensive and too heavy: the heavier the rack the bigger the shock forces.

so the solution is a leight weight rack with an outer soft shell. Basically 10cm of foam arround a aluminum frame and specially designed big rubber corners. the shock energy will be returned, so the rack jumps arround when its thrown, instead of transmitting the force to its inside.

besides, this design does not say "throw me" - at least not when the supervisor is arround :-)

... and if well done, its cover serves as a seat for the musician :-)
... and most probably it will look nicer on stage

how did Che say? "you need to harden without loosing tenderness" or so...


I was amazed when I realized that when you declare some luggage as fragile, you have to sign to take all responsability for eventual damage on you!

the same proel rack-bag came with a less-than-substantial shoulder strap. take that off and throw it away immediately, unless it's better than what I had. and the bag offers no shock protection- most solid state gear would be ok, but I lost a syquest drive in a sampler when this bag slipped from the rear seat of a cab to the floor of same. a more expensive padded version might have helped here, but it costs you space, obviously.
and a 3 or 4 unit rack-bag, provided it's not too deep, should be alright for carry-on, but consider something more robust for the remainder of your gear and let it go in the hold, keeping just the fragile stuff with you.
airlines regard tough-looking cases as some sort of challenge or insult, and "fragile" seems to be airline-ese for "throw me". the so-called flight-case that the aforementioned ricky was in, sustained major damage on it's first transatlantic trip, and on the corner where the guitar is nearest the outside world. I was lucky not to lose a lump out of the wood. conversely, the old fender case my newly-acquired VI came back to blighty in was totally unscathed.

--


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 12:23:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1HKGL19339; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:20:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031201172014.42281.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: OT: the ultimate tremolo pedal??? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7NBU0B.A.AuE.Qh3y_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, sorry for this not quite on topic post, but this is the most knowedgeable group of music folk i know. for my looping, i use a lot of really hard tremolos. but i still haven't found the tremolo i'm looking for. here's the specs i'm searching for: there has to have a pedal or expression pedal input for rate. an input for depth or waveform would be cool, but not neccessary. but rate is essential. a wide variety of waveforms is also essential. I have the Elextrix MO-FX, which is really cool cuz it has sine, triangle, and square waves, as well as a pulse-type wave. but no pedal input for rate. and MIDI controller pedals scare me. i wish there were an LFO/Amplifier pedal in the Moogerfooger series by Moog, that had multiple waveforms. that would be perfect. other options: the Mod Pro, or the MM3 pedal from Line 6. Although the expression pedal inputs on there are kinda weird. Or, the discontinued Dunlop TVP-1, but would that pedal hold up to abuse? Thanks for any help! peace, dylan the tremolo geek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 15:18:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1KENC32077; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:14:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:14:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Gate checking--it works! Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:53:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <5KvBiD.A.F1H.eE6y_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- I just returned from a three day gig in Reno, Nevada, and was able to carry on my acoustic 6 string on all four flights (San Diego--Oakland, OAK--Reno, Reno--Las Vegas, LV--SAN) with no problems. Seems the 7 series (707 etc) planes all have compartments long enough for a guitar--no one blinked, I was even encouraged by one flight attendant when I looked skeptical, as I had been practicing and didn't get in line right away on the last flight (Thanksgiving weekend, and a lot of college kids). Getting a chance to woodshed in the terminal is a great added benefit! While on my trip I read the latest Tape Op and lo and behold, list member Andre LaFosse's latest, Normalized, was given high marks. Good on ya, Andre! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 17:28:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1MMrW24967; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c3b861$5fa80050$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: MOTU 828mkII Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:17:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got one of these. I read the manual and don't recall seeing anything about being able to recall presets via MIDI. You can store and recall mix presets via the front panel (as a standalone unit), or via the software mixer controls on your computer (when the 828mkII is connected via Firewire). I'm not sure about the architecture of the 828mkII, but this kind of functionality may be possible in a software/firmware upgrade someday, if enough people request it. It sounds useful to be able to recall mixes in that way, so I will put in a request to MOTU when I register the unit. It's a great little box that I would recommend highly. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: MOTU 828mkII > > Is it possible to recall mixer presets (snapshot) via MIDI on the MOTU > 828mkII? My local dealer said no, but I trust the list more ;-) > I am looking for a mixer that allows recalling presets via MIDI like the SPM > 8:2. > > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:06:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1N33b00408; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:08:17 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Subscape Annex 2 December 2003, PS211, Winston-Salem NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ambient/industrial looping soundscape show Tuesday (tomorrow) night in North Carolina. If anyone is in the area and shows up, please introduce yourself: I'll be the Chapman Stick/theremin (might leave theremin at home) player dancing on pedals (Headrush, RC-20 LoopStation, Z-Vex Loop Junky+plus moogerfoogers and more Z-Vexes). Thanks for your attention. (Details and links below) --------- Subscape Annex will be playing at PS211 in Winston-Salem this Tuesday evening with Winston-Salem's Pushpull Men and the Prids from Portland, Oregon. $6 cover, music starts promptly at 9pm. Directions: http://ps211.org/testsite/directions.php The Prids: http://www.theprids.com/ best, Steve, Anthony, and Rob Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1NZ1K07811; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c2e36f$a150d760$ea55fea9@libellule> Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emmanuel_P=E9rille?= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emmanuel_P=E9rille?= To: References: Subject: New looper DJRND3AD Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:33:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD List, My new hardware upgrade DJRND3AD is now presented on my site http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 19:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB203Ku13876; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:03:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:03:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP Feedback Ctrl Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:04:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031130104434.02537968@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim and Glenn! I've tried ReplaceMode and it will be my new standard setting for now. Additionally, the ReplaceMode allows me to fade out momentarily the existing loop (while overdubbing) in order to replace that section with new material. An alternative for Undo. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 30. November 2003 19:49 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP Feedback Ctrl > > > Also in LoopIV there is the InterfaceMode called ReplaceMode. The pedal > controls both feedback and loop output volume simultaneously. The > result is > you hear the level reduction for feedback immediately instead of on the > next loop pass. try it. > kim > > At 07:01 AM 11/30/2003, Glenn Poorman wrote: > > Second, are you > >using Loop IV? In Loop IV, a display was added that appears > >when you begin adjusting the feedback either with the knob or > >with a pedal. The visual feedback helped a lot and giving me > >a ton more control of the feedback level via a pedal. > > > > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > > > I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP: > > > When I have established a loop that I want to continuously > play but reduce > > > its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to > control the > > pedal > > > precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what > amount I have > > > actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal > very precisely > > > at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 19:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB20Ffv16410; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP Feedback Ctrl Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:17:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6AE949F0-2368-11D8-966C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Travis. Will check that pedal... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 30. November 2003 20:07 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP Feedback Ctrl > > > Visual Sound used to make a volume pedal that had LEDs on the side that > gave a visual reference point for the volume setting. It's out of > production now, but they pop up on eBay fairly regularly for $100-150. > It's also a great volume pedal. > > TravisH > > > On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:43 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Subject: EDP Feedback Ctrl > > > > > > Hi > > > > I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP: > > When I have established a loop that I want to continuously play but > > reduce > > its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to control the > > pedal > > precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what amount I > > have > > actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal very > > precisely > > at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps. > > I have uploaded a 13 second/200KB mp3-snippet to demonstrate the > > effect: > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/lp1.mp3 > > Shortly after 05:00 seconds you will hear a sudden rise in volume. > > > > Thank you > > Bernhard > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 20:08:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB210q623506; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: Andre in TapeOp... (Gate checking--it works!) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] > While on my trip I read the latest Tape Op and lo and behold, list member > Andre LaFosse's latest, Normalized, was given high marks. Good on ya, > Andre! > Gary Was this the issue with Daniel Lanois as the cover story (issue #37)? Or am I getting #38 late again. :-) At any rate, Andre deserves recognition (and I live for tapeop). Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 20:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB21Gah26589; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:16:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:17:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Andre in TapeOp... (Gate checking--it works!) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >> While on my trip I read the latest Tape Op and lo and behold, list member >> Andre LaFosse's latest, Normalized, was given high marks. Good on ya, >> Andre! >> Gary > > Was this the issue with Daniel Lanois as the cover story (issue #37)? Or am > I getting #38 late again. :-) At any rate, Andre deserves recognition (and > I live for tapeop). > > Jim > no-yer gettin #38 late as usual... great review as reported... 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------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C3B853.133F0780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 22:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB233mf11578; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202030341.72266.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: the ultimate tremolo pedal??? To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20031201172014.42281.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4vHaM.A.z0C.TEAz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you looked at the 4ms Tremulus Lune? http://4mspedals.com/customize.html John --- dylan wrote: > hi all, > > sorry for this not quite on topic post, but this is > the > most knowedgeable group of music folk i know. for my > looping, i use a lot of really hard tremolos. but i > still > haven't found the tremolo i'm looking for. > > here's the specs i'm searching for: > there has to have a pedal or expression pedal input > for > rate. an input for depth or waveform would be cool, > but not > neccessary. but rate is essential. a wide variety of > waveforms is also essential. I have the Elextrix > MO-FX, > which is really cool cuz it has sine, triangle, and > square > waves, as well as a pulse-type wave. but no pedal > input for > rate. and MIDI controller pedals scare me. > > i wish there were an LFO/Amplifier pedal in the > Moogerfooger series by Moog, that had multiple > waveforms. > that would be perfect. other options: the Mod Pro, > or the > MM3 pedal from Line 6. Although the expression pedal > inputs > on there are kinda weird. Or, the discontinued > Dunlop > TVP-1, but would that pedal hold up to abuse? > > Thanks for any help! > peace, > > dylan the tremolo geek > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 22:53:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB23oGM22848; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:50:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: EDP - newbie problem - feedback @ 100%, but loop fades away ... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:50:29 -0600 Message-ID: <04ab01c3b887$6de00700$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b2cd$742e7f70$0100a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy sent me some crystals when i had this problem (thanks again) and it helped, but the problem didn't really go away until i installed loop v4. i hadn't tried the codec chip. maybe if it happens again i will... i'm curious, though, why would hitting undo help? > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > > That sounds like a crystal tolerance problem. Send me your > address and I'll send a couple. They are a bit tricky to > replace, but the problem can often be cured by changing the > audio Coded chip, (large 68-pin affair on the left of the > PCB) as some seem to accept a wider tolerance on the > crystals. I'll send a couple of these as well so you can try > that first. You will need a PLCC removal tool or you may > damage the chips but they only take seconds to swap out. > Regards, Andy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: steve jones [mailto:stevejones@hotpop.com] > > Hi All, > I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller. > I have noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and > leave the feedback at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems > to keep going indefinately, but if I do some overdubs the > whole thing starts to fade out very slowly (over 10 mins or > so). I'm not leaving the overdub on all this time, just > record a loop, overdub a couple of times the leave it running > and the volume slowly drops. One time , when the sound was > almost gone I repeatedly pressed undo 40 or 50 or more times > and the level came back up. The overdub light is not lit on > (orange) while this happens - any ideas? > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 01:54:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB26qiB21368; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: Hi and tempo tracking for sync Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6pDOQD.A.tNF.8aDz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I came across Loopers Delight indirectly today after someone suggested I check out what Keller Williams is up to in VA. Anyone heard of him? They say he puts on impressive live solo shows with his guitar and a Lexicon MPX unit with JamMan looping. I've just barely got into looping myself, after I played around recently with Ableton Live to see how it would work with some software my little startup company has put together. I was checking through the Loopers Delight archives and saw the discussion last June on the difficulties getting some drummers to follow the loop tempo, and associated tempo sync problems. Let me put in a plug for the software I've programmed (my partner Ed invented it): InTime. It does live tempo-tracking/beat-detection of any performance. It acts as a flexible sync master (midi clocks) for any capable hardware or software. It can handle polyrhythms and syncopations with ease and doesn't even need a downbeat. It can handle large sweeping tempo changes or be set just to follow changes within a small range of tempos, or just the feel of a player. Currently it works just on midi instruments, but we're developing an audio version that will work on melodic and harmonic instruments, and not just highly percussive, rhythmic instruments. One of our early users put a couple midi triggers on his acoustic drumkit and uses them to trigger InTime, since InTime only needs timing information. There's more info at our site: www.circular-logic.com. Regarding the thread about drummers and sync'ing to loops, InTime could help by allowing the drummer to be more naturally flexible. It also allows the whole performance to take on more natural tempo changes and nuances. The drummer (and other bandmembers) would still have to listen to whatever's controlled by InTime, but it's like listening to another musician instead of a rigid click-track. My background is as a guitarist and percussionist. I've got a Roland G2 guitar pickup and I send the midi info to InTime, which then controls the sync for Ableton Live. I play the guitar through an amp to get a traditional electric guitar sound instead of the midi guitar synth sounds - old dogs and new tricks, you know! So far I've mostly put traditional rhtyhm loops in Ableton and messed around with playing along with them to control the tempo and feel of the loops. Ableton's nice because it time-stretches in realtime (or does it tempo-adjust slices?). Any software or hardware that timestretches or handles tempo changes of sliced loops would work nicely. I think I'm getting the bug, though, and would like to hook up Ableton to be able to switch loops via my midi footswitch unit. I hope it's not inappropriate to plug my software here. It seems like it might be a good fit for some of you, and we're trying to get ourselves off of the starting block. Cheers, Michael Stauffer michael@circular-logic.com www.circular-logic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 03:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB280lI30543; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 03:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 03:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:00:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcO4ql3eY7YSYZ2nQ0G26OKzZ0VwBw== Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <7sqdQD.A.JdH.vaEz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everbody-- I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last post mentioned him using the Lexicon MPX G2 as his looper--so I checked online--He seems to use the original Jamman (two of them?) for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I also checked out the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI looper--I don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of the Kahler Human Clock? Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 09:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2ER2i14690; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:27:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:27:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCCA12D.1010901@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:26:53 -0500 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers delight Subject: no silence X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040209000008040904090006" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040209000008040904090006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting quote from John Cage on silence, from his piece Indeterminacy (1965). "It was after I got to Boston that I went into the anechoic chamber at Harvard University. Anybody who knows me knows this story. I am constantly telling it. Anyway, in that silent room, I heard two sounds, one high and one low. Afterward I asked the engineer in charge why, if the room was so silent, I had heard two sounds. He said, "Describe them." I did. He said, "The high one was your nervous system in operation. The low one was your blood in circulation." There you have it. Silence? there ain't none! gfd ** --------------040209000008040904090006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting quote from John Cage on silence, from his piece Indeterminacy (1965).

"It was after I got to Boston that I went into the anechoic chamber at Harvard University. Anybody who knows me knows this story. I am constantly telling it. Anyway, in that silent room, I heard two sounds, one high and one low. Afterward I asked the engineer in charge why, if the room was so silent, I had heard two sounds. He said, "Describe them." I did. He said, "The high one was your nervous system in operation. The low one was your blood in circulation."

There you have it.  Silence?  there ain't none!

gfd


--------------040209000008040904090006-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 09:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2EnG018417; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:49:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:49:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:49:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0" Resent-Message-ID: <3sinK.A.ofE.rZKz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0 Content-Type: text/plain The FAQ on his website is a little dated. He doesn't use the JamMan anymore. He now uses an Echoplex. See this article from May 2003: http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_keller/ Here is Keller's Full Setup: Guild JF30, Martin HD28, and Tacoma JT55 acoustics Alvarez by Joe Villette baritone 6-string acoustic Renaissance custom baritone 12-string acoustic Gordon Anderson custom 8-string electric Godin LGXT 6-string electric Godin Multiac SA fretless nylon acoustic/electric Fender Jazz and Tacoma Thunderchief basses Roland GR33 guitar synthesizer Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro processor Lexicon MPX G2 processor Ernie Ball volume pedal DigiTech Whammy pedal Allen & Heath Mix Wizard 16-channel mixer Audix OM7, E4, and GX10 mics Sennheiser E602 and E608 mics Fishman Pro-EQ Platinum preamp Tama Rock Star kick, Sunlite piccolo snare Everyone's Drumming djembe Zildjian hi-hats Moog Theremin Percussion tubes by Joia and Boomwhakers Hohner Kazoo Shure E-5 in-ear monitors Sennheiser wireless hardware (for in-ears) HTH, DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:01 AM >>To: Looper's Delight >>Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops >> >>Hi Everbody-- >>I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last post mentioned >>him using the Lexicon MPX G2 as his looper--so I checked >>online--He seems to use the original Jamman (two of them?) >>for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I also checked out >>the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI looper--I >>don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of >>the Kahler Human Clock? >>Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, Gary >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops

The FAQ on his website is a little dated. He doesn't = use the JamMan anymore. He now uses an Echoplex.

See this article from May 2003:

http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_ke= ller/

Here is Keller's Full Setup:
Guild JF30, Martin HD28, and Tacoma JT55 = acoustics
Alvarez by Joe Villette baritone 6-string = acoustic
Renaissance custom baritone 12-string = acoustic
Gordon Anderson custom 8-string electric
Godin LGXT 6-string electric
Godin Multiac SA fretless nylon = acoustic/electric
Fender Jazz and Tacoma Thunderchief basses
Roland GR33 guitar synthesizer
Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro processor
Lexicon MPX G2 processor
Ernie Ball volume pedal
DigiTech Whammy pedal
Allen & Heath Mix Wizard 16-channel mixer
Audix OM7, E4, and GX10 mics
Sennheiser E602 and E608 mics
Fishman Pro-EQ Platinum preamp
Tama Rock Star kick, Sunlite piccolo snare
Everyone's Drumming djembe
Zildjian hi-hats
Moog Theremin
Percussion tubes by Joia and Boomwhakers
Hohner Kazoo
Shure E-5 in-ear monitors
Sennheiser wireless hardware (for in-ears)



HTH,

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:01 = AM
>>To: Looper's Delight
>>Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for = Loops
>>
>>Hi Everbody--
>>I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last = post mentioned
>>him using the Lexicon MPX G2 as his = looper--so I checked
>>online--He seems to use the original Jamman = (two of them?)
>>for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I = also checked out
>>the website mentioned hoping the product was = a MIDI looper--I
>>don't know exactly what it is, maybe a = software version of
>>the Kahler Human Clock?
>>Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, = Gary
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 10:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2FSg024906; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c3b8e8$f649c8e0$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:28:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, Keller's quite a sight (and sound) live -- anyone interested in some live Keller on CD, e-mail me off-list. regards, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops > Hi Everbody-- > I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last post mentioned him using the > Lexicon MPX G2 as his looper--so I checked online--He seems to use the > original Jamman (two of them?) for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I > also checked out the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI > looper--I don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of the > Kahler Human Clock? > Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 10:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2Flab28708; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202154734.79662.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Erik G Subject: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello there loopers, I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? If so I'm needing one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. db --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hello there loopers,
 
I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? If so I'm needing one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
 
db

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 11:51:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2GksE06523; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.38cae498.2cfe1bf1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:46:41 EST Subject: Re: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/2/03 7:48:24 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes: << I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? >> Negatory, overdubs are tied to the original loop length. Also there is some minimum loop length so you can't do glitch loops unless you create it somewhere else and feed it into the RC20. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 12:48:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2HjGw16081; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >effects . . . I >also checked out the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI >looper--I don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of the >Kahler Human Clock? >Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, >Gary Yeah, InTime is similar in some ways to the Kahler Human Clock. I've never tried the Human Clock, only read a little about it. InTime is currently less flexible in that it relies on midi input, but is more flexible in other ways. I think that the setup for InTime is easier than for the Human Clock, and from what we've seen of other tempo-tracking methods, InTime is probably much more flexible in tracking tempo. InTime uses an algorithm derived from research into neurocognitive models of music perception, and is much more flexible than other methods, which are often based on statistical sampling, or expect repetitive patterns. InTime can track a constantly changing rhythm if need be, and doesn't require any kind of "4 on the floor" beat. To setup InTime for a song, all you need to do is set the startup tempo, which you can do in several ways, including tap from keyboard or midi footswitch. All other critical functions are controllable via midi notes or controllers, allowing the drummer, for example, to change tracking sensitivity and modes remotely while another musician does live loop manipulation on the same laptop the InTime is running on. Anywho, if there are any more questions, just let me know. Cheers, Michael Stauffer michael@circular-logic.com www.circular-logic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 13:40:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2IZpt24387; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:35:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:35:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202183548.62686.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Erik G Subject: Re: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9c.38cae498.2cfe1bf1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-784767822-1070390148=:60041" Resent-Message-ID: <19rYqB.A.78F.HuNz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-784767822-1070390148=:60041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanx! by the way what is the minimum loop length? db Aptrev@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/2/03 7:48:24 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes: << I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? >> Negatory, overdubs are tied to the original loop length. Also there is some minimum loop length so you can't do glitch loops unless you create it somewhere else and feed it into the RC20. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-784767822-1070390148=:60041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
thanx!
 
by the way what is the minimum loop length?
 
db

Aptrev@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/2/03 7:48:24 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes:

<< I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? >>

Negatory, overdubs are tied to the original loop length.
Also there is some minimum loop length so you can't do glitch loops unless
you create it somewhere else and feed it into the RC20.

regards

BobC

www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier


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http://brokenaxe.iuma.com

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-784767822-1070390148=:60041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 13:58:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2Im2X26613; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.127dc558.2cfe3857@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:47:51 EST Subject: Re: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <31_L4D.A.sfG.i5Nz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/2/03 10:36:47 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes: << by the way what is the minimum loop length? >> well, I've never timed it but I would guess around 3 seconds. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 14:09:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2J1aI29279; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:01:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCCE050.2080200@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:56:16 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: the ultimate tremolo pedal??? References: <20031202030341.72266.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031202030341.72266.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These pedals look incredible - and built by a nonprofit group, too. (you can barter!) What experience have people had with these? I'm especially interested in the noise-oriented/sound generation pedals. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >Have you looked at the 4ms Tremulus Lune? > >http://4mspedals.com/customize.html > >John > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 15:31:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2KQdH12629; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.203.220.220] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spam: Gear for sale Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:26:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2003 20:26:30.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[922230D0:01C3B912] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang. Some odds & ends for sale. For more details please contact off list Thanks Lou Rossi Boss DC-2 Dimension C petal $100 Boss FV-L Volume petal $40 TC Electronic Power Supply (w/ SKB cables) $100 Prices include shipping within USA 48 NYC pick up only PISMO PowerBook G3, 500 Mhz, 256 RAM w/ DVD & ZIP drives $600 MusicMan 65 amp head (works but needs some TLC) $50 Mesa Boogie 1x12 Open Black cab w/ 200 watt Black Shadow (EV) spk $150 _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 16:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2LSCt25542; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202212809.86640.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: proposal for new thread: ATTRIBUTES of your LOOP MACHINE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031126223719.25157.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1) WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE > LOOPER THAT YOU USE.? UNDO Variable feedback control Multiple tracks Loop multiply Stereo (or more outputs) Long loop time (<2min) time/pitch stretch (even double/half time is useful) Volume control for each track > 2) WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN > THE FIELD? Multiple tracks with seperate volume/pitch/pan/offset Stereo time/pitch/pan manipulation 8 minute loop time Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 16:51:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2LkDc29900; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thu, 12/4, SF: Experimental/Electronic music at Luggage Store Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:46:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2003 21:46:07.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1614D40:01C3B91D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thursday, Dec 4 2003 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market St. @ 6th Street San Francisco $6-10 sliding scale 8:00 Miba (Kristen Miltner & Mark Bartscher) 9:00 Chris Cory Miba uses various self-created software patches to scan audio files, creating rhythmic granular textures ranging from harmonic washes to dense noise. Their installation work is made of suspended objects that trigger fragments of found sound. Tonight they will be performing their latest sample-based audio compositions. Chris Cory of Sebastopol, CA has been playing sax since age 10, but made the sudden transition from jazz to noise music in 1995. These days his performances still have alto & bari sax, but largely focus on the manipulation of radio & tape samples through a clarinet-shaped MIDI wind controller and other devices. Chris is currently working on an album soon to be released by Mind's Ear. For his set, he'll be taking gathering seemingly non-musical radio samples, white noise & environmental sounds, gradually processing and rearranging them into melodic, rhythmic "songs". _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 17:38:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2MVbX07555; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <002601c3b923$84e06c00$9f66fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:27:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral differences = between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they just improved = as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? Any info from = experienced list members would be highly appreciated. Please respond = off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Stephen.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB30Akt23128; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:10:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:10:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c3b942$d0a796d0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20031202212809.86640.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: proposal for new thread: ATTRIBUTES of your LOOP MACHINE Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:11:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2jpTNC.A.RpF.GoSz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 1) WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE > > LOOPER THAT YOU USE.? The EDP's ability to MIDI sync and all the commands that go with it like ReAlign, QuantizeStartPoint, etc. Also, the ability to control virtual functions via MIDI notes. > > 2) WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN > > THE FIELD? MIDI Sync abilities. MIDI control of *everything.* Genius, I tell you. Genius. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:26:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB30OLY25144; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:24:09 -0500 From: Kiyomi330@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 12/04/03 :SF: experimental fun! shinth tour and workshop MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6E3B39A8.592259A9.025F9C28@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 63.197.251.240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com circuit bending mayhaem! peter blasser fashion flesh twig harper rotton milk 12-04-03 6pm workshop bring sacrificial electronics & tools 9pm show San Francisco Art Institute 800 chestnut st pete's cafe -jackie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB30g2Q27670; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:42:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:42:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c3b947$2eece700$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a year now I've been using my EDP with Sonar running on a Windows XP machine and have been experiencing inconsistent behavior from it. I have sent a lot of mails to the list describing various problems I have had and either bored, or stumped everyone into mostly silence. I do a one-man-band thing with sequenced backing tracks which include EDP control commands written into them to record and playback parts of the song which I "play in." No matter what I would do, the commands written into the sequencer would never work the same twice. Or, if they did twice, they wouldn't a third time. If Quantize was ON, sometimes it would quantize to the bar, sometimes it would quantize to a beat after, sometimes it would be a bar late. If Quantize was OFF, sometimes it would trigger on time with the sequencer, sometimes it would trigger late, and sometimes it would trigger early. I found it weird that to get commands to sound "on the beat" I would have to turn Quantize off, and then move the trigger note to the "a" (1e&a) of beat four. Anyway, there was a recent discussion on the list about Mac vs. PC regarding audio and MIDI latency which got me thinking... The timing master in Sonar is set to my main audio interface's digitial audio driver. QUESTION(S): Is the sequencer (Sonar) sending MIDI data late or early to make up for latency of the audio tracks in a sequence? Is this lateness/earliness variable, or a fixed amount of time? Could this be causing the seemingly erratic behavior of sequenced EDP commands? In the Mac/PC discussion on latency there was some discussion about Windows inducing another level of latency to MIDI data, which Macs somehow bypass. Is there any way of measuring this latency? 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 --B_3153253092_436247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 08:19:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3DGtg01617; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ultimate EDP Controller Thread-Index: AcO5n+CYX19BrCwkSnykFrSjpi5n/w== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 13:18:01.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0DAF350:01C3B99F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB3DGrW01591 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recently I was thinking about the specs for the Roland FC-200 MIDI foot controller (I used to own one and sold it) and it occurred to me that this could make a great dedicated EDP controller. You can put it in a mode where all 13 buttons will send CC messages or Note On/Off messages plus set the built-in expression pedal for feedback. I remember also that the pedals have a nice feel to them that should lend themselves to the gymnastics of looping quite nicely. I Ebay'd one and it should arrive at the end of the week. Anyone else try one of these as a dedicated loop controller? Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 14:04:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3J0UK20929; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:00:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000d01c3b9cf$2c66a880$9767fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: References: <001401c3b925$8ca15e20$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:43:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality thing) = - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to know: = Does the old=20 Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, = or the=20 ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a = lot=20 (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are=20 a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this harsh=20 grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi=20 Stephen,
 
the=20 Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of which = are way=20 cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has lots of = BPM-synced=20 effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if you use them = with a MIDI=20 clock (for example the so-called looper, where you can take a sample = of one to=20 four beats and repeat them - great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, = or a=20 slicer). Also, I have the impression that the sonic quality is = generally=20 better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. And you have two independent = sampling=20 areas for the sample effects, so you can record two independent = samples and=20 switch between them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember 2003=20 23:28
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are there=20 any timbral differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss = Pad or=20 have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance = are=20 concerned? Any info from experienced list members would be highly=20 appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any = bandwidth.=20 Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the = cancer of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 14:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3JswF28966; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:54:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3b9d7$6ecc5d20$54ada344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <001401c3b925$8ca15e20$0601a8c0@SATAN> <000d01c3b9cf$2c66a880$9767fe91@synthhost> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:55:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.173.84] at Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:54:55 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable K1 and K2 each have different and unique sounds. One man's trashy is = another man's quality.. hard to compare... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: rs@moinlabs.de=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality = thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
K1 and K2 each have different and = unique=20 sounds.  One man's trashy is another man's quality.. hard to=20 compare...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 1:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to know: = Does the old=20 Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, = or the=20 ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used = a lot=20 (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are=20 a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh=20 grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi=20 Stephen,
 
the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the = Kaoss 1=20 didn't have, some of which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum = machine=20 patches, and has lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine = thing,=20 especially if you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the = so-called=20 looper, where you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat = them -=20 great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have = the=20 impression that the sonic quality is generally better than that of = the Kaoss=20 Pad 1. And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample = effects,=20 so you can record two independent samples and switch between=20 them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: = wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember 2003=20 23:28
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are=20 there any timbral differences between the two incarnations of the = Kaoss=20 Pad or have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer = appearance=20 are concerned? Any info from experienced list members would be = highly=20 appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste = any=20 bandwidth. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the = cancer of=20 this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith = /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:05:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3L1gK06607; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <188.22668df7.2cffa929@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:29 EST Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <_WrSkC.A.EnB.28kz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 03/12/03 20:21:38 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > FC-200 MIDI foot controller (I used to own one and sold > it) and it occurred to me that this could make a great > dedicated EDP controller. You can put it in a mode where > all 13 buttons will send CC messages or Note On/Off > messages plus set the built-in expression pedal for > feedback. actually the note-On /Off configuration is useless on this device. You'd have to use CC to control an EDP. ( which should work) but you can't send CC and prog. change from the same bank. (so not as good as Behringer FCB1010 for EDP prog change and control) I only looked at the manual (specifically with EDP in mind) so I could be wrong, but it seemed to only send instructions on one MIDI channel at a time. Is that right? (not a problem for just 1 edp of course) It does have about 5 sockets for controller footpedals in it's favour. ....but costs the same as 2 of the behringers (which have 2 built in controllers) ...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these please do tell andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:13:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3LAdN07781; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: all access powering problems Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:10:39 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c3b9e1$e79a38d0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:10:44.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA843960:01C3B9E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power supply, the manual for the all access states it will run of dc power, however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches light up, the numbers below and the display stay unlit. Has anyone else noticed this and how did they get round it ? =20 Thanks =20 =20 David Swain =20 HYPERLINK "mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk"d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk HYPERLINK "http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk"http://www.davidswain.pwp.bl ueyonder.co.uk =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=92m trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power supply, the manual for the all access states it will = run of dc power, however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches light up, the numbers below and the display stay = unlit. Has anyone else noticed this and how did they get round it ?

 

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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3LCdZ08113; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:12:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.198.11] X-Originating-Email: [justinfeinstein@hotmail.com] X-Sender: justinfeinstein@hotmail.com From: "Justin Feinstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Advice Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:12:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:12:32.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ACECFD0:01C3B9E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new to this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. I'm a hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, boomerang, repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam man live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what I'm trying to do. Any suggestions? Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:26:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3LNRN09498; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ultimate EDP Controller Thread-Index: AcO54OPKd1hhdRjZT8CWMZCaVoRT7gAAp/gA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:24:41.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD5C8A10:01C3B9E3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB3LNRW09473 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > actually the note-On /Off configuration is useless on this > device. > > You'd have to use CC to control an EDP. > ( which should work) Which is fine since I was planning on using CC messages anyway. I do know a guy who does use the note On/Off mode with the FC-200 though ... although he actually uses it to generate tones on a synth module. > but you can't send CC and prog. change from the same bank. > (so not as good as Behringer FCB1010 for EDP prog change and control) > > I only looked at the manual (specifically with EDP in mind) > so I could be wrong, but it seemed to only send > instructions on one MIDI channel at a time. > Is that right? > > (not a problem for just 1 edp of course) That is correct (I used to have one and got rid of it). But my plan now is to make it a dedicated EDP controller. For the rest of my rig, I am using a Rocktron All Access. If it works out, I'll let you know. Actually, if it doesn't I'll let you know that as well. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3M7P016140; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCE61C5.D7E47F2B@erols.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:20:53 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Advice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Justin Feinstein wrote: > I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new to > this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. I'm a > hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, boomerang, > repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for > home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've > seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam man > live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what I'm > trying to do. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Justin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx Hi Justin, Welcome aboard! Why don't you list some of things that you'd like to do with your looper, and maybe we can make some good suggestions. First of all, The Electrix Repeater is discontinued. You'd have to buy one used from E-bay. For a hand percussionist, I imagine that the Repeater would be a good looper, becuase it has seperate tracks that you can mix. The EDP (Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro) is probably the most sophisticated looper, and has really tight rhythmic time. It's probably the strongest rhythmic looper. I would suggest checking out percussionist Jon Wagner's website www.jondrums.com. I believe that he uses a repeater and an EDP. Also, check out percussionist Rick Walker's site www.looppool.info for lots of cool percussive looping. Have fun, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3MpVI22600; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.198.11] X-Originating-Email: [justinfeinstein@hotmail.com] X-Sender: justinfeinstein@hotmail.com From: "Justin Feinstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Advice Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:51:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 22:51:25.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAB787C0:01C3B9EF] Resent-Message-ID: <7k5Fj.A._gF.zjmz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Basically I want a unit that I can use in live situations (running in a roland hand sonic as well as assorted hand percussion instruments) where I can add to to pre-arranged loops (assorted samples and keyboard bits) as well as something I can use at home with a Mac home studio setup. Does this even exist? Please excuse my lack of technical/looping knowledge. I've been watching Jamman and Electrix repeater auctions on ebay just to try and gauge what my venture will cost. Thanks, Justin >From: John Mazzarella >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Advice >Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:20:53 -0500 > > > >Justin Feinstein wrote: > > > I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new >to > > this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. >I'm a > > hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, >boomerang, > > repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for > > home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've > > seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam >man > > live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what >I'm > > trying to do. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. > > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > >Hi Justin, > Welcome aboard! Why don't you list some of things that you'd like to >do >with your looper, and maybe we can make some good suggestions. First of >all, >The Electrix Repeater is discontinued. You'd have to buy one used from >E-bay. >For a hand percussionist, I imagine that the Repeater would be a good >looper, >becuase it has seperate tracks that you can mix. The EDP (Gibson Echoplex >Digital Pro) is probably the most sophisticated looper, and has really >tight >rhythmic time. It's probably the strongest rhythmic looper. I would >suggest >checking out percussionist Jon Wagner's website www.jondrums.com. I >believe >that he uses a repeater and an EDP. Also, check out percussionist Rick >Walker's site www.looppool.info for lots of cool percussive looping. > >Have fun, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:33:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NTGN28243; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:29:10 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 23:29:10.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[40F06BD0:01C3B9F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sure this has been covered and gone over many times, but i just cannot figure out how to use the stupid FCB 1010! it is mentally taking its toll. i just want to access the Loop IV software via MIDI to be able to use hsp, rev...etc. my friend at the local music store who is well versed in MIDI couldn't figure it out or get it to work w/the EDP either. i know people here use them w/their EDPs. the manual is useless. any tips? otherwise i give up. thanks -matt >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:29 EST > >In a message dated 03/12/03 20:21:38 GMT Standard Time, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > FC-200 MIDI foot controller (I used to own one and sold > > it) and it occurred to me that this could make a great > > dedicated EDP controller. You can put it in a mode where > > all 13 buttons will send CC messages or Note On/Off > > messages plus set the built-in expression pedal for > > feedback. > >actually the note-On /Off configuration is useless on this >device. > >You'd have to use CC to control an EDP. >( which should work) > >but you can't send CC and prog. change from the same bank. >(so not as good as Behringer FCB1010 for EDP prog change and control) > >I only looked at the manual (specifically with EDP in mind) >so I could be wrong, but it seemed to only send >instructions on one MIDI channel at a time. >Is that right? > >(not a problem for just 1 edp of course) > >It does have about 5 sockets for controller footpedals in it's favour. > >....but costs the same as 2 of the behringers (which have 2 built in >controllers) > >...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these >please do tell > >andy butler > > _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:42:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NbXS29382; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:37:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.52.96.90] X-Originating-Email: [jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com From: "Jesse Raderman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help With Boomerang and PA Head Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:37:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 23:37:27.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[695E0A90:01C3B9F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright just picked up a PA system today, some JBL 15inchs and I'm loving having all that sound behind me hah. But for some reason I can't get my boomerang hooked up correctly to the Head to get it to play at all. The Head is a Yamaha EMX62M Powered Mixer. What I first did was try putting it through the effects loop which on this version the manual says plug the Output from the effect (my 'rang) to the Aux In and plug the Input from the effect into the Effects out on the head. This didn't work, so I switched the connections around and still nothing. I have a feeling I have to put it into it's own channel every way I try I get nothing. Anyone have any idea of what I should do? _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:54:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NkeC30542; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3b9f7$9da0d610$73d26fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: References: <3F73D255.622F7082@earthlink.net> Subject: First Gig Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:45:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm playing for public for the first time this weekend (really the first time for anyone too). Dragging out my whole loop'a'delic rig, I'm ridiculously excited. It's free at UVA if anyone's curious. -gsc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:59:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NlkP30800; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcO59YefFq9x0kaHRjKCSNy4XykAlAAAaIEQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------> I know this means getting more gear, but why not pick up a Peavey PC1600x and use that from the Behringer? Sound be a lot easier to program--here's one on Ebay . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2577152282&category=3278 And the you will also have the faders to use for live application. I have one in a box but am reluctant to sell it 'cause it will then become essential to my setup 8^) Gary PS PMC-10 is the ultimate foot controller? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller i'm sure this has been covered and gone over many times, but i just cannot figure out how to use the stupid FCB 1010! it is mentally taking its toll. i just want to access the Loop IV software via MIDI to be able to use hsp, rev...etc. my friend at the local music store who is well versed in MIDI couldn't figure it out or get it to work w/the EDP either. i know people here use them w/their EDPs. the manual is useless. any tips? otherwise i give up. thanks -matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NvnX32443; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:57:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: Advice Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:57:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 23:57:44.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E572680:01C3B9F9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Justin- It sounds like you're going to need at least a microphone, and a mixer on the front end if you want to use several sources for looping. You'll also need some kind of looping device. There are lots of options: Repeater: excellent for looping as a tempo slave in a multi-device setup, 4 independent loops (all the same length), fx routing, good syncing capability, tempo and pitch are independently variable, loop storage and retrieval, SPDIF output, good looping functionionality, good midi implementation EDP: excellent for looping in a multi-device setup as a tempo master or slave, excellent for live improvising, great syncing capability, advanced looping functionionality, excellent midi implementation Jamman: great standalone looper, ok sync capability, basic looping functions, basic midi Line6 DL4: great standalone looper, built in delay functions, basic looping functions, no syncing, no midi, great choice for a first looper Good luck. Jon > Basically I want a unit that I can use in live situations (running in a > roland hand sonic as well as assorted hand percussion instruments) where I > can add to to pre-arranged loops (assorted samples and keyboard bits) as > well as something I can use at home with a Mac home studio setup. Does this > even exist? Please excuse my lack of technical/looping knowledge. I've been > watching Jamman and Electrix repeater auctions on ebay just to try and gauge > what my venture will cost. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4054w00971; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c3b9fa$626d5200$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3F73D255.622F7082@earthlink.net> <003701c3b9f7$9da0d610$73d26fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> Subject: Re: First Gig Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.158.249] at Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:05:02 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "redrum123" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: First Gig > I'm playing for public for the first time this weekend (really the first > time for anyone too). > > Dragging out my whole loop'a'delic rig, I'm ridiculously excited. > > It's free at UVA if anyone's curious. > > -gsc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4072f01279; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031204000646.67057.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:06:46 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Justin Feinstein wrote: > I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new to > this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. I'm a > hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, boomerang, > repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for > home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've > seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam man > live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what I'm > trying to do. Any suggestions? I think the Repeater would be an excellent tool for what you're talking about doing (including the other msg that I didn't quote). It has built in RIAA compensated inputs for use with your turntable and was actually designed and marketed with DJs in mind. The Beat Detect and Loop Point Assist functions help get clean loops from incoming material (CDs, vinyl, etc), and the time stretch and pitch manipulation options allow a lot of room to mutate things you've captured. You mentioned something about using prerecorded loops/samples in your live performances. The Repeater is ideal for that, since you can save lots of loops on compact flash cards and quickly recall them (then add to them or remix the multiple tracks). As far as interfacing with your computer, it has an S/PDIF digital output. I haven't used that on mine, but if it works ok it'd be a great way to transfer the audio without an extra DA conversion. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 20:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB41HVe12233; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c3ba15$4dfcd280$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:18:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha -- for some reason, no one wants to discuss this thread on-list. I have gotten three very friendly and helpful mails, all addressed directly to me. :) Thanks, guys. Michael Stauffer, here, asks if I'm sending sysex commands to the EDP. The answer is no. I'm sending simple MIDI note commands for functions like Record, Overdub, Loop1, NextLoop, etc. I do have MIDI-OX, which is another piece of the puzzle I forgot to mention. Because I have no MIDI patchbay, I have to use MIDI-OX to create a virtual one, allowing me to share a MIDI port to use my sampler's patch editor (on the computer), an FCB1010, and a PC1600X, and pipe MIDI clock to the sampler and EDP. That's another possible source of latency. However, even when I wasn't using MIDI-OX, I was getting erratic behavior. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: RE: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... > Jesse, > > I don't think that the timing latencies in Sonar should be effecting your > midi playback accuracy. With the newer WDM drivers the timing is supposed > to be very good, good enough that the latencies and variance shouldn't be > noticeable on the level of what you're talking about. But I've never done > serious timing stuff with Sonar, so it's just what I've read. There are > of course lots of subtle issues with optimizing Sonar for timing on a > particular system. > > I suggest posting to the Sonar forum on cakewalk's site if you haven't > already. If you can reproduce the timing errors with a more traditional > midi sequence (I'm assuming your EDP commands are sysex strings?) then it > might be easier to debug. If the timing errors only occur in tracks with > EDP command messages, then maybe it's the length of the EDP command > strings, or something particular to sysex messages in Sonar? How many > bytes are they? Maybe they're broken up into smaller packets in Sonar's > queue, and that throws things off. Maybe Sonar optimizes timing by not > guaranteeing accurate timing for sysex msgs? Just thinking out loud. > > MidiOx is a great midi testing utility if you don't already ahve it. It'd > make it easy to test output timing of midi events straight from Sonar via > virtual midi device, allowing you to test separate of any problems the > physical midi output port has (which are unlikely to be the problem). > > Have you tried slaving another sequencer program, maybe a very simple > one, to Sonar and having the slaved sequencer send out the EDP commands? > > HTH, > Michael > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... > > > > > >For a year now I've been using my EDP with Sonar running on a Windows XP > >machine and have been experiencing inconsistent behavior from > >it. I have > >sent a lot of mails to the list describing various problems I > >have had and > >either bored, or stumped everyone into mostly silence. > > > snip > >QUESTION(S): Is the sequencer (Sonar) sending MIDI data late > >or early to > >make up for latency of the audio tracks in a sequence? Is this > >lateness/earliness variable, or a fixed amount of time? Could this be > >causing the seemingly erratic behavior of sequenced EDP > >commands? In the > >Mac/PC discussion on latency there was some discussion about Windows > >inducing another level of latency to MIDI data, which Macs > >somehow bypass. > >Is there any way of measuring this latency? > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 20:41:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB41ZHR15824; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:35:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:37:46 -0800 Subject: Re: First Gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003701c3b9f7$9da0d610$73d26fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> Message-Id: <765A9FAA-25FA-11D8-B760-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great to hear..... Tell us how it turns out. Good luck and have fun! joe On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 03:45 PM, redrum123 wrote: > I'm playing for public for the first time this weekend (really the > first > time for anyone too). > > Dragging out my whole loop'a'delic rig, I'm ridiculously excited. > > It's free at UVA if anyone's curious. > > -gsc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 20:44:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB41cPf16226; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:38:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:38:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c3ba18$3a042f00$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Cc: "Per Boysen" References: Subject: Re: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:39:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahaha -- had my "reply-to" setting set for my address. Hence posts not getting to the list. Whoopsie. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... > Hi Jesse, > > I didn't know my mail went to you privately! All other list posts, except > yours, go back to the list when I press the return button. You should have a > look at your mail client preferences settings. > > All the best > > per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:48:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB42juq25393; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3ba10$cdc83900$45645cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for November, 2003 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:46:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for November, 2003. Shows #346 to #349; 6-November-2003 to 27-November-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Current - Communion - Origo Sound David Forlano - Ambient + Drone - none Dom F. Scab - About a Tree - Groove Gert Emmens - Obscure Moments in Twilight Shades - Groove John Broaddus - 4 at 18 - Parnassus Nump John Ducal - Hell's Canyon - Hypnos/Binary Larry Kucharz - Ambient Red Washes - International Audiochrome The Ministry of Inside Things - Live on Star's End and EMUSIC - = Synkronos Navigator - Airwaves - Groove Orbital Decay - Orbital Decay - none Patrick O'Hearn - Beautiful World - Patrick O'Hearn Ron Boots - Area Movement - Groove Steve Roach - Life Sequence - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Texture Maps - Timeroom Editions Vir Unis - Book of Mutations - AtmoWorks Vir Unis - Gathering 33 - Space for Music Vir Unis - Mercury and Plastic - AtmoWorks Vir Unis - Pulse N Atmo - Groove Vir Unis - The Drift Inside - Green House Xeroid Entity - Moons of Saturn - Electromusic Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for November, 2003.
Shows #346 to = #349;=20 6-November-2003 to 27-November-2003
Reported in non-ranked = order.
Compiled=20 by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE -=20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Current=20 - Communion - Origo Sound
David Forlano - Ambient + Drone - = none
Dom F.=20 Scab - About a Tree - Groove
Gert Emmens - Obscure Moments in = Twilight Shades=20 - Groove
John Broaddus - 4 at 18 - Parnassus Nump
John Ducal - = Hell's=20 Canyon - Hypnos/Binary
Larry Kucharz - Ambient Red Washes - = International=20 Audiochrome
The Ministry of Inside Things - Live on Star's End and = EMUSIC -=20 Synkronos
Navigator - Airwaves - Groove
Orbital Decay - Orbital = Decay -=20 none
Patrick O'Hearn - Beautiful World - Patrick O'Hearn
Ron Boots = - Area=20 Movement - Groove
Steve Roach - Life Sequence - Timeroom = Editions
Steve=20 Roach - Texture Maps - Timeroom Editions
Vir Unis - Book of Mutations = -=20 AtmoWorks
Vir Unis - Gathering 33 - Space for Music
Vir Unis - = Mercury and=20 Plastic - AtmoWorks
Vir Unis - Pulse N Atmo - Groove
Vir Unis - = The Drift=20 Inside - Green House
Xeroid Entity - Moons of Saturn - = Electromusic
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 22:23:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB43Ixk31150; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.52.96.90] X-Originating-Email: [jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com From: "Jesse Raderman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Help With Boomerang and PA Head Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:18:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 03:18:53.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[5841E960:01C3BA15] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright just a little bit more to add. The reason why I'm trying to run it through the effects loop is because I'd like to get a few instruments looping on the rang including guitar, bass and vocals. Playing around I found that when I take the output from the rang and plug it into a seperate channel then I can faintly hear the loop (and I reallly mean you can barely hear it). Alright... once again, any help would be greatly appreciated, can't wait to get this up and working. >From: "Jesse Raderman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Help With Boomerang and PA Head >Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:37:27 -0500 > >Alright just picked up a PA system today, some JBL 15inchs and I'm loving >having all that sound behind me hah. But for some reason I can't get my >boomerang hooked up correctly to the Head to get it to play at all. The >Head is a Yamaha EMX62M Powered Mixer. What I first did was try putting it >through the effects loop which on this version the manual says plug the >Output from the effect (my 'rang) to the Aux In and plug the Input from the >effect into the Effects out on the head. This didn't work, so I switched >the connections around and still nothing. I have a feeling I have to put it >into it's own channel every way I try I get nothing. Anyone have any idea >of what I should do? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months >@$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 22:27:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB43PQl32287; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCEA922.1020108@finleysound.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:25:22 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: all access powering problems References: <002a01c3b9e1$e79a38d0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5TUlKC.A.V4H.mkqz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Swain wrote: > I’m trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power > supply, the manual for the all access states it will run of dc power, > however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches light up, the > numbers below and the display stay unlit. Has anyone else noticed this > and how did they get round it ? David, As far as I know, there are only two ways to power the All Access. 1) using the AC wall wart adapter jack on the back of the All Access or 2) using a 7-pin MIDI cable with AC adapter or Rocktron rack unit. Either way, if the LCD display isn't working, I'd say something is wrong. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB44TXO09243; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:29:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.14a70cc3.2d001226@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:29:26 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #820 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/3/03 3:59:52 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << ...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these please do tell >> Well.. for what it's worth (since glenn and I have already talked about this ;)... this is what I'm currently using. I use the FC-200 to control patch changes on 3 different FX units, via CC mode to control both a Repeater and an EDP, and even dabble in note mode some (via a synth module). The only real trick I guess is switching modes. In addition to it's 6 expansion jacks though, there's actually a 7th jack that takes a FS-5U and is used to switch modes. You can set how many of the four modes it cycles through. I actually have it set to just two, so my FS-5U changes the FC-200 back and forth from patch change mode to CC mode. When I want the note mode, I angle my size 13 shoes to just hit the little tiny mode button with the edge of my toe. Tricky.. but do-able. As for my current programing scheme... I've got: the CTL pedal (always the same CC number regardless of mode) set to be a sustain pedal for my synth... the expression pedal set as synth volume 5 pedals programmed for the repeater (Rec, Undo, Trk 1 select, Trk 2 select, Stop) 7 pedals for EDP - (Rec, Over, Mult, Undo, Insert, Next, Mute) 2 extra EV-5's (exp) for Repeater trk 1&2 volumes 2 extra EV5's for instrument volumes and 2 open jacks ... one of which I plan to use for EDP volume... the other???? On the plus side... the thing is pretty rugged. I've owned mine for about 5 years now. It's been on a ton of trips.. checked in on airlines in everything from just a gig bag to suitcases, shipped all over the place... it even got run over by a car once. Of course in the car incident, I had to replace the chassis, but despite caving in, the chassis DID save the circuit board and none of the pedals were damaged. toodles, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB44wVR12909; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:58:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:58:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031204045824.65644.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: all access powering problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c3b9e1$e79a38d0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Swain wrote: > I’m trying to run my all access and a few pedals > from my pedal power > supply, the manual for the all access states it will > run of dc power, Does the manual say if the center pin is positive or negative? You might want to drop an email to their tech support to verify that you can use a DC power supply &, if so, what the polarity is. Also ask them how many milliamps it draws so you don't overload the power supply. I went thru the same exercise with my ART X-15. It came with an AC power supply although it actually operates on DC. ART tech support gave me all the info I needed. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 01:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB46XlU25200; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:33:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:33:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCED4CD.4080905@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:31:41 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Music trading scheme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Over the last couple of days I've been listening to two cds that I just received from members of this list and have been enjoying them quite a bit. What I was wondering was how many of us on this list have CDs of music that we have created that we feel have never really circulated as much as we might like? And then I struck upon the idea of trying to organize a one time (initially at least) trading circle here. What I'm thinking is that everyone who wants to be involved would send a message to the curator/director/whatever you call them (I will volunteer but it will be after the holidays before anything actually starts to happen) stating that they are interested, how many discs they want to trade (and hence the number they will receive hopefully), and where they're willing to ship them to (across oceans can get a tad pricey). We could also possibly ask for a general genre so that no one gets stuck with ambient guitar music they don't want :-) (btw, that is humor, I am an ambient guitarist much of the time). I imagine that we will finally have a list of people who have said they want to trade x number of discs and then I'll simply keep a tab and then start to match people up and tell them where to send their discs and what to expect from whom. I don't know if this will get overwhelming or not (guess it depends on how many people want to get in on it) but it seemed like a good way to get some of this group's music circulating (I personally don't much care to download 30+ minute songs and find I listen better if I have a hard copy to move around from place to place). Does this sound like a good idea to people and if so, does anyone want to go in on it? Kevin -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 01:59:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB46se027544; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031204065438.39829.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: tremolo -- thank you!! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a little belated, but thank you for all y'alls help on my tremolo question. much appreciated. 4ms pedals is amazing!! not only are they nonprofit, but they barter too. AND they're located in my hometown of St. Louis!!! kickass! http://4mspedals.com/ peace and thanks again, dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 04:44:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB49eAx14897; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Leonardson" Sender: eleon@ripco.com Reply-to: eleon@ripco.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:39:59 -0500 Subject: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3fcf00f8.15f15.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 141.157.216.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Well dress rehearsal for The Palmer Raids was very scary experinece for me because, with opening night coming up today, our Echoplex suddenly shuts down when I'm playing it in the middle of the key kick-ass momnets of the production. I'm using an Oberheim Echoplex with Loop IV. Today it has consistently shut down a few minutes after many button presses have been made. After it shuts down it automatically restarts. It never did this before. The button presses involved are "record" into a rather short loop of anywhere from 1.2 to 6 seconds, "overdub", for several passes, sometimes "multiply" will follow "record" and then "overdub", and in one scene all these button presses will also include an "insert" press to switch from "Fsp" to "Hsp". I'm processing the EDP's output through my Max/MSP patch. So when it shuts down I lose the signal and this totally blows the whole scene for me/Plasticene! I couldn't find a link referring to this problem in the loop archives, so I've posted my question to the list members. I wonder... Could this behavior be the result of the EDP being jostled around, dropped and loosening up the SIMM chips? I know the rack case took a spill a couple weeks ago, and then it was brought 'cross country in a large pickup truck. When I get back to the theater I'm hoping I can reseat the RAM chips and make this problem go away. But if this doesn't do it then I'm in a real bind... I don't feel as if I'm savvy enough to quickly write a Max/MSP patch that emulates the Echoplex, But if that's what it takes are there any Max loopers who have EDP emulating loop patches to share? And if so, how could I help you in exchange? Or, is there's someone in or near Manhattan who can loan me/Plasticene a looping device like the Echoplex... Any help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Eric Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 05:29:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4ANF820036; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:23:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:23:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCF09C8.23D7B5F1@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:17:45 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eleon@ripco.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? References: <3fcf00f8.15f15.0@ripco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2z9foC.A.94E.Tswz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric, A few things I can suggest: 1) I once experienced this sort of problem playing in a run-down building with spotty electricity - tapping footpedal buttons (or even just the chassis of the footcontroler) would make the EDP restart. You mention you're doing a dress rehearsal and noticing this for the first time, so it's possible that the electricity in the building you're playing in is disagreeing with your EDP. Best way to check this is to try the EDP at your regular place of playing/practice (wherever that is) and see if the problem persists. If it goes away outside of your dress rehearsal space, then a power conditioner of some sort would seem to be in order. 2) Dropping and jostling around are certainly not the best things for the EDP, so reseating the memory and/or the software EPROMS are the next thing I'd check. I personally would try this: a. Take off the lid of the EDP, and BEFORE TOUCHING ANYTHING INSIDE, tap your fingers on the outer rack ears of the EDP, to discharge any static electricity. b. Try removing and re-seating the memory SIMMS. This has worked wonders for me and others in the past. c. If a person chose to go a step or two further, you could remove and re-seat both the SIMMS and the EPROMS for the software. (The EPROMS are a bit trickier to remove, and should definitely be done with some sort of tool, not by hand. I use the small metal filing edge of nail clippers, believe it or not). Before you re-seat the SIMMS/EPROMS, you might try cleaning the contacts for both using cleaner. You should be able to find this sort of thing at Radio Shack or other electronics places. BE CAREFUL when doin this, to make sure that you're using cleaner that's good for ELECTRONICS. Otherwise you may actually corrode the connections inside. Good luck! --Andre LaFosse Eric Leonardson wrote: > > Hey all, > > Well dress rehearsal for The Palmer Raids was very scary experinece for me > because, with opening night coming up today, our Echoplex suddenly shuts > down when I'm playing it in the middle of the key kick-ass momnets of the > production. > > I'm using an Oberheim Echoplex with Loop IV. Today it has consistently shut > down a few minutes after many button presses have been made. After it shuts > down it automatically restarts. It never did this before. > > The button presses involved are "record" into a rather short loop of > anywhere from 1.2 to 6 seconds, "overdub", for several passes, sometimes > "multiply" will follow "record" and then "overdub", and in one scene all > these button presses will also include an "insert" press to switch from > "Fsp" to "Hsp". > > I'm processing the EDP's output through my Max/MSP patch. So when it shuts > down I lose the signal and this totally blows the whole scene for > me/Plasticene! > > I couldn't find a link referring to this problem in the loop archives, so > I've posted my question to the list members. I wonder... > > Could this behavior be the result of the EDP being jostled around, dropped > and loosening up the SIMM chips? > > I know the rack case took a spill a couple weeks ago, and then it was > brought 'cross country in a large pickup truck. > > When I get back to the theater I'm hoping I can reseat the RAM chips and > make this problem go away. But if this doesn't do it then I'm in a real > bind... > > I don't feel as if I'm savvy enough to quickly write a Max/MSP patch that > emulates the Echoplex, But if that's what it takes are there any Max > loopers who have EDP emulating loop patches to share? And if so, how could > I help you in exchange? > > Or, is there's someone in or near Manhattan who can loan me/Plasticene a > looping device like the Echoplex... > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Best regards, > Eric > > Upcoming Performances & Events: > http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html > Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DFm711263; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001301c3ba68$32506300$4865fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:11:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right. And which one sounds trashier? That=B4s the one for me, then. I = don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know 8). I guess it=B4s = the KP-1, though. Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 K1 and K2 each have different and unique sounds. One man's trashy is = another man's quality.. hard to compare... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: rs@moinlabs.de=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality = thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re = a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right. And which one sounds trashier? = That=B4s the=20 one for me, then. I don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know = 8). I=20 guess it=B4s the KP-1, though.
 
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 8:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

K1 and K2 each have different and = unique=20 sounds.  One man's trashy is another man's quality.. hard to=20 compare...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 1:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to = know: Does the=20 old Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are = used,=20 or the ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has = been=20 used a lot (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if = these=20 trashier sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if = the 2 also=20 has this harsh grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003=20 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad = 1 vs.=20 Kaoss Pad 2

Hi Stephen,
 
the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the = Kaoss 1=20 didn't have, some of which are way cool - has some simple = synth/drum=20 machine patches, and has lots of BPM-synced effects, which are = really a=20 fine thing, especially if you use them with a MIDI clock (for = example the=20 so-called looper, where you can take a sample of one to four beats = and=20 repeat them - great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a = slicer). Also,=20 I have the impression that the sonic quality is generally better = than that=20 of the Kaoss Pad 1. And you have two independent sampling areas = for the=20 sample effects, so you can record two independent samples and = switch=20 between them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: = wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember=20 2003 23:28
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Korg = Kaoss Pad 1=20 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are=20 there any timbral differences between the two incarnations of = the Kaoss=20 Pad or have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer=20 appearance are concerned? Any info from experienced list members = would=20 be highly appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want = to waste=20 any bandwidth. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, = the cancer of=20 this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent = Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:20:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DFqe11296; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001401c3ba68$34bbe4c0$4865fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <001401c3b925$8ca15e20$0601a8c0@SATAN> <000d01c3b9cf$2c66a880$9767fe91@synthhost> <000a01c3b9d7$6ecc5d20$54ada344@hppav> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:11:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right. And which one sounds trashier? That=B4s the one for me, then. I = don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know 8). I guess it=B4s = the KP-1, though. Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 K1 and K2 each have different and unique sounds. One man's trashy is = another man's quality.. hard to compare... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: rs@moinlabs.de=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality = thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re = a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right. And which one sounds trashier? = That=B4s the=20 one for me, then. I don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know = 8). I=20 guess it=B4s the KP-1, though.
 
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 8:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

K1 and K2 each have different and = unique=20 sounds.  One man's trashy is another man's quality.. hard to=20 compare...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 1:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to = know: Does the=20 old Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are = used,=20 or the ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has = been=20 used a lot (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if = these=20 trashier sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if = the 2 also=20 has this harsh grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003=20 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad = 1 vs.=20 Kaoss Pad 2

Hi Stephen,
 
the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the = Kaoss 1=20 didn't have, some of which are way cool - has some simple = synth/drum=20 machine patches, and has lots of BPM-synced effects, which are = really a=20 fine thing, especially if you use them with a MIDI clock (for = example the=20 so-called looper, where you can take a sample of one to four beats = and=20 repeat them - great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a = slicer). Also,=20 I have the impression that the sonic quality is generally better = than that=20 of the Kaoss Pad 1. And you have two independent sampling areas = for the=20 sample effects, so you can record two independent samples and = switch=20 between them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: = wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember=20 2003 23:28
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Korg = Kaoss Pad 1=20 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are=20 there any timbral differences between the two incarnations of = the Kaoss=20 Pad or have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer=20 appearance are concerned? Any info from experienced list members = would=20 be highly appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want = to waste=20 any bandwidth. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, = the cancer of=20 this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent = Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:20:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DGtU11429; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Advice Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Advice Thread-Index: AcO58DRg9gyqjI3uRbOiCI5B5FBqWgAeElgQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 13:18:02.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B675680:01C3BA69] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB4DGsW11403 Resent-Message-ID: <5GZSQD.A.cyC.HPzz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know a drummer in Holland, Jan Wolfkamp, who uses an EDP to loop drums and percussion and he does quite effectively. I do loop more than one instrument in my own rig. I perform on Chapman Stick (which means two outputs already). Plus I run the high strings through a GK pickup into a synth module with stereo output. I have my rig configured so that everything runs into a nice clean Rane SM 82 single rack line mixer. The stereo output from the mixer then runs into my power amp. The EDP is hooked up to the effects loop of the mixer so that anything running to the mixer can be looped or not looped depending on the "send" setting for each channel. This works really well. Plus the Rane effects loop is stereo so I'm in the process of adding a second EDP for full stereo looping. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Feinstein [mailto:justinfeinstein@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Advice > > Basically I want a unit that I can use in live situations (running in a > roland hand sonic as well as assorted hand percussion instruments) where I > can add to to pre-arranged loops (assorted samples and keyboard bits) as > well as something I can use at home with a Mac home studio setup. Does this > even exist? Please excuse my lack of technical/looping knowledge. I've been > watching Jamman and Electrix repeater auctions on ebay just to try and gauge > what my venture will cost. > > Thanks, > Justin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DMwh13034; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:22:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:22:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1de218ef.2d008f24@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:22:44 EST Subject: Re: FC-200 with EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > << ...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these > please do tell >> > > Well.. for what it's worth (since glenn and I have already talked about this > > ;)... this is what I'm currently using. I use the FC-200 to control patch > changes on 3 different FX units, via CC mode to control both a Repeater and > an > EDP, and even dabble in note mode some (via a synth module). The only real > trick I guess is switching modes. In addition to it's 6 expansion jacks > though, > there's actually a 7th jack that takes a FS-5U and is used to switch modes. > > You can set how many of the four modes it cycles through. I actually have > it > set to just two, so my FS-5U changes the FC-200 back and forth from patch > change > mode to CC mode. When I want the note mode, I angle my size 13 shoes to > just > hit the little tiny mode button with the edge of my toe. Tricky.. but > do-able. thank's for that Tom, that sort of info is actually pretty hard to come by. (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) any chance you could give a quick run down of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? ( the other question we always ask is, how much time between pressing the switch and getting a response) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 09:04:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4E1i619519; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCF3E53.8050501@biink.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:01:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Ohmbient list , "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" Subject: E. Willamsburg, Brooklyn: An Evening of Improvisation -- Sukato, David Beardsley, R.D. Hansen, Loren Dempster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An Evening of Improvisation -- Sukato, David Beardsley, R.D. Hansen, Loren Dempster Time: 8 pm Date: Saturday, December 6, 2003 Place: Loren's loft (304 Boerum St #23 (buzzer 11 @ White), East Williamsburg, Brooklyn) Musicians: Sukato -- ukelele, darabukkah, plectrum violin, and voice. David Beardsley -- microtonal just-intoned guitars (fretted and maybe fretless) and loops. R.D. Hansen -- soprano saxophone. Loren Dempster -- digeridoo and cello. ------------------------------------------- This concert will be at Loren Dempster's loft in East Williamsburg. Bring a friend. Bring ten friends. This is a free concert (though there will be a donation basket for those who wish to give). There will free snacks. There will be beer for $3. DIRECTIONS From the L train: Get off at "Morgan Avenue" stop. The walk is short (1 1/2) if you come before 9:30 pm. Up until 9:30pm exit out back of train platform. As you come out to street, left on Bogart, then left on Boerum. After 9:30 pm, exit out front of train platform. There is a map of the area here. Exit sharp right of station lobby, you will be at corner of Morgan and Harrison Place. Left down Harrison Place, (if you hit Knickerbocker, you went the wrong way) right on Bogart, left on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. From J, M, or Z trains: Get off "Flushing Avenue" stop. Walk northeast on Flushing left on Bushwick, right on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. OR Marcy Ave, walk to bus barn area, get B61, get out at Morgan ave L stop and use directions above. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:17:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4FFpq30266; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: Subject: RE: all access powering problems Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:15:41 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c3ba79$80158910$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031204045824.65644.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 15:15:57.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[846EF820:01C3BA79] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB4FFoW30240 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the replies, I got an email from rocktron, it doesn’t function at all on dc power .... I read the manual wrong. It had been a long day, I had done a lot of soldering ,,,, David Swain -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: 4 December 2003 4:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: all access powering problems --- David Swain wrote: > I’m trying to run my all access and a few pedals > from my pedal power > supply, the manual for the all access states it will > run of dc power, Does the manual say if the center pin is positive or negative? You might want to drop an email to their tech support to verify that you can use a DC power supply &, if so, what the polarity is. Also ask them how many milliamps it draws so you don't overload the power supply. I went thru the same exercise with my ART X-15. It came with an AC power supply although it actually operates on DC. ART tech support gave me all the info I needed. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 02/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 02/12/2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4FYLw00339; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Leonardson" Sender: eleon@ripco.com Reply-to: eleon@ripco.com To: Andre LaFosse , eleon@ripco.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:34:07 -0500 Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3fcf53f8.16341.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 141.157.219.43 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, Thanks for your suggestions. I will apply them as soon as I get down to the theater...keeping my fingers crossed. I do have a Furman power conditioner in the rack for the EDP. My regular practice space is in Chicago so I won't be able try that. The problem started on the third day of rehearsal in the theater. I just hope it was loose and on verge of... It's a relief to know that this phenomenon isn't unique. Best regards, Eric Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4FjnU02007; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3ba7d$cec37460$79a9a344@hppav> From: "David" To: , References: <3fcf53f8.16341.0@ripco.com> Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:46:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.169.121] at Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:45:47 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See if you can ensure that you're getting power from a different line than feeds any stage lighting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Leonardson" To: "Andre LaFosse" ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? > Hi Andre, > > Thanks for your suggestions. I will apply them as soon as I get down to the > theater...keeping my fingers crossed. > > I do have a Furman power conditioner in the rack for the EDP. My regular > practice space is in Chicago so I won't be able try that. The problem > started on the third day of rehearsal in the theater. I just hope it was > loose and on verge of... > > It's a relief to know that this phenomenon isn't unique. > > Best regards, > Eric > Upcoming Performances & Events: > http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html > Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:52:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4Fnuw02822; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:49:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: FC-200 with EDP Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FC-200 with EDP Thread-Index: AcO6afA6kWW5LkyjRF+O+tVugdCrswAFAsSA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 15:51:03.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BA818D0:01C3BA7E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB4FntW02798 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No online manuals. One of my Roland peeves no doubt. In my first go around with the FC-200, I found that it does not send to different MIDI channels at all. You can set which channel it sends to but it is a global setting. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FC-200 with EDP > > thank's for that Tom, that sort of > info is actually pretty hard to come by. > (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) > > any chance you could give a quick run down > of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? > ( the other question we always ask is, how much time > between pressing the switch and getting a response) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 13:59:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4IsjK01394; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:54:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:54:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: FC-200 with EDP Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <_5yejD.A.qV.0L4z_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glenn, Have you looked at Manual Manor to see if they have a manual? http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html I have no idea how good this site is. I stumbled on it the other day. Cheers, Michael >No online manuals. One of my Roland peeves no doubt. > >In my first go around with the FC-200, I found that it >does not send to different MIDI channels at all. You can >set which channel it sends to but it is a global setting. > >Glenn > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:23 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: FC-200 with EDP >> >> thank's for that Tom, that sort of >> info is actually pretty hard to come by. >> (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) >> >> any chance you could give a quick run down >> of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? >> ( the other question we always ask is, how much time >> between pressing the switch and getting a response) >> >> andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 21:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB52sMG11596; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:54:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at the living:room, Friday 12/5 8PM From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <55180F4A-26CE-11D8-BD8B-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <4iW28.A.E1C.eN_z_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing a set of acoustic guitar with EDP instrumentals this Friday evening at the living:room (4301 fremont ave n, http://livingroom.blogspot.com/), starting at 7:30PM. There'll be new art on the walls, admission is free, and there'll be free snacks. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 22:14:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB53Bt514616; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:11:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCFF76A.3090800@finleysound.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:11:38 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music trading scheme References: <3FCED4CD.4080905@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Honestly, I think setting up someone as a go-between between traders unnecessarily complicates the process. It's easy enough for any prospective trader to post a message to the list and go from them. Just my opinion. Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Over the last couple of days I've been listening to two cds that I just > received from members of this list and have been enjoying them quite a > bit. What I was wondering was how many of us on this list have CDs of > music that we have created that we feel have never really circulated as > much as we might like? And then I struck upon the idea of trying to > organize a one time (initially at least) trading circle here. > > What I'm thinking is that everyone who wants to be involved would send a > message to the curator/director/whatever you call them (I will volunteer > but it will be after the holidays before anything actually starts to > happen) stating that they are interested, how many discs they want to > trade (and hence the number they will receive hopefully), and where > they're willing to ship them to (across oceans can get a tad pricey). We > could also possibly ask for a general genre so that no one gets stuck > with ambient guitar music they don't want :-) (btw, that is humor, I am > an ambient guitarist much of the time). > > I imagine that we will finally have a list of people who have said they > want to trade x number of discs and then I'll simply keep a tab and then > start to match people up and tell them where to send their discs and > what to expect from whom. > > I don't know if this will get overwhelming or not (guess it depends on > how many people want to get in on it) but it seemed like a good way to > get some of this group's music circulating (I personally don't much care > to download 30+ minute songs and find I listen better if I have a hard > copy to move around from place to place). > > Does this sound like a good idea to people and if so, does anyone want > to go in on it? > > Kevin -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 02:45:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB57hhR21589; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:43:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's not the $400 Furman jobber (the 1215 is the model number for the one I'm thinking of), then it's really of little use in situations like this. Those power distributor things (usually around $100) are the equivalent of a power string with two slide-out lights and a breaker switch. I think the theory here is that your power is browning and the EDP is resetting itself. You can also try using a UPS, like the ones for computers. There was a theatre that I used to play in that had dreadful wiring/power thanks to some "off-the-clock" rewiring. $250 of UPS cured my problem, as long as I remember not to touch any of the metal support beams while I was touching my guitar... TravisH >From :"Eric Leonardson" < eleon@ripco.com > >Subject :Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? >Date :Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:34:07 -0500 >Hi Andre, >Thanks for your suggestions. I will apply them as soon as I get down to the >theater...keeping my fingers crossed. >I do have a Furman power conditioner in the rack for the EDP. My regular >practice space is in Chicago so I won't be able try that. The problem >started on the third day of rehearsal in the theater. I just hope it was >loose and on verge of... >It's a relief to know that this phenomenon isn't unique. >Best regards, >Eric >Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://>pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 02:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB57oRb22771; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:50:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If it's not the $400 Furman jobber (the 1215 is the model number for >the one I'm thinking of), then it's really of little use in >situations like this. Right. That's the same one I have, and it's a power conditioner/voltage regulator--so it can accommodate and correct voltage brown outs and surges. The others ones don't do that. Costs about $400 or so though, as you said. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 08:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5DeR202387; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c3bb35$651f0b60$97645cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #350 for December 4, 2003 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #350 Devember 4, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on James Johnson, a Chicago area ambient master. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Linger" on AtmoWorks. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Don't Breakdown" by Don = Slepian on Don and Judy Records. I played the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at the next = Gate to Moonbase Alpha. See the EVENTS page for details. James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Don Slepian Horizon Computer Don't = Breakdown (Don and Judy Records) Aperus Dark Moon Tumbleweed Obfuscated = By Camera Failure = (mPath) Hemisphere Chroma Beast in the Heat = (Groove) Under the Dome C-57D Wot No Colin? (Neu = Harmony) Pseudo Buddha September 6 3 Months in Fat City = (Dog Fingers) anti:clockwise There's a Light Up Ahead artist CDR (none) 12:00 am James Johnson Linger Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Twilight Impressions Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Riding the Fog Line Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Siren Song Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Frequency Shift Linger (AtmoWorks) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on James Johnson. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Surrender" on ZeroMusic. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "East West" by Richard Pinhas on = the Pulse label. I will play the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at the = next Gate to Moonbase Alpha. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, = and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
            =    =20     Show #350       =20             Devember 4, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on <a=20 href=3D"focus03.html#dec">James Johnson</a>, a Chicago = area
ambient=20 master.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Linger" on = AtmoWorks.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Don't Breakdown" by Don = Slepian=20 on
Don and Judy Records.
 
I played the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at the = next=20 Gate
to Moonbase Alpha.  See the EVENTS page for details.
 
James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec
Ev= ents=20 - http://wdi= y.org/programs/emusic/playlists/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Don=20 Slepian           =  =20 Horizon           =       =20 Computer Don't Breakdown=20 (Don
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 and Judy=20 Records)
Aperus         &= nbsp;       =20 Dark=20 Moon           &nb= sp;   =20 Tumbleweed Obfuscated=20 By
           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Camera Failure=20 (mPath)
Hemisphere        &nbs= p;    =20 Chroma           &= nbsp;      =20 Beast in the Heat (Groove)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 C-57D           &n= bsp;       =20 Wot No Colin? (Neu Harmony)
Pseudo=20 Buddha           = September=20 6            =  =20 3 Months in Fat City=20 (Dog
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Fingers)
anti:clockwise        = ; =20 There's a Light Up Ahead artist CDR (none)
 
12:00 am
James=20 Johnson          =20 Linger           &= nbsp;      =20 Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Twilight=20 Impressions     Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Riding the=20 Fog Line      Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Siren=20 Song           &nb= sp;  =20 Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Frequency=20 Shift          Linger=20 (AtmoWorks)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 James Johnson.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Surrender" = on=20 ZeroMusic.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "East West" by Richard Pinhas = on=20 the
Pulse label.
 
I will play the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at = the next=20 Gate
to Moonbase Alpha.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 09:09:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5E5xr05638; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:05:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:05:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c3bb39$4671d0e0$8a4a883e@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: A few questions for stompbox loopers Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:07:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5bSon.A.7XB.HDJ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series (one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal chain? I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of them. Thanks in advance! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5I2GO10821; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:02:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:02:15 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A few questions for stompbox loopers Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.108.221.4] Message-Id: <20031205180215.7F49A7276@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use two,one at the beginning,after a clean booster,and the second at the end of the series...modulation and short delays go in the middle of the loopers sandwich Best Maneco http://manecolooper.tripod.com --- "Gareth Hardwick" wrote: I've got a few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series (one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal chain? I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of them. Thanks in advance! Gareth _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5IHYk14203; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Leonardson" Sender: eleon@ripco.com Reply-to: eleon@ripco.com To: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:17:25 -0500 Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3fd0cbbc.179e6.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 68.161.209.89 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear David and Andre, The Echoplex is back to normal, and all was fine for opeing last night. Thanks so for your helpful advice. I reseated the RAM chips. I also ckecked to make I running my AC sharing a circuit for any lighting elements. I discovered that there was a coffee maker backstage on the same AC oulet...hmmm. I didn't want to fumble around too much with removing and reseating the EPROMs, so I just gave those push down to make they were well-seated. Best regards, Eric Leonardson PS: Plasticene's THE PALMER RAIDS runs through this weekend and next at the OHIO THEATRE, 66 Wooster, New York. For reservations please call 212-613-3173 or visit: http://www.plasticene.com/ Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:29:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5IMQS15263; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <33755.129.33.49.251.1070648575.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:22:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A few questions for stompbox loopers From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Ujy3.A.WuD.izM0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently using an RC-20 and an Akai Headrush at the end of the signal chain, in series. I think I will try using one of the other loopers that I don't use all the time at the beginning of the signal chain in order to use the effects for modulating that loop post-recording. Thanks for the inspiration, Juan. best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > I use two,one at the beginning,after a clean booster,and the second at the end of the series...modulation and short delays go in the middle of the loopers sandwich > > Best > Maneco > http://manecolooper.tripod.com > > --- "Gareth Hardwick" wrote: > I've got a few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. > > How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series (one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal chain? > > I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of them. > > Thanks in advance! > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:44:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5IcG119682; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Echoplex on the road, gets strange Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:38:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3fd0cbbc.179e6.0@ripco.com> Thread-Index: AcO7XCIZIwI0kr/ET8qa9BBKU1jI3wAAnCsg Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <5bi9cB.A.WzE.YCN0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Leonardson wrote: The Echoplex is back to normal, and all was fine for opeing last night. Thanks so for your helpful advice. I reseated the RAM chips. I also ckecked to make I running my AC sharing a circuit for any lighting elements. I discovered that there was a coffee maker backstage on the same AC oulet...hmmm. I didn't want to fumble around too much with removing and reseating the EPROMs, so I just gave those push down to make they were well-seated. ------> I had a similar experience three weeks ago, I traveled with the EDP out of the rack and it was eccentric when I arrived--took the cover off, pushed down, and everything was fine. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:26:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JMSe27742; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:17 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/4/03 11:50:37 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << thank's for that Tom, that sort of info is actually pretty hard to come by. (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) any chance you could give a quick run down of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? ( the other question we always ask is, how much time between pressing the switch and getting a response) >> For MIDI channels... everything just goes out one channel which you select of course. I guess I've had to get a little clever about this, but it works fine for me. Details: My rig (like Glenn's ;) is a Chapman Stick setup, complete with stereo melody fx (2 units), bass fx, stereo synth, an EDP and a Repeater. The MIDI out from the FC-200 first goes to a 1x4 Thru (to guard against signal degredation). the 3 FX units are setup with MIDI tables. So... while all three may see "patch 5" coming at them, they can change to whatever I set in the tables. Essentially I work with groups of sounds. Patch 1 is just reverb on both gtr and bass sides of the Stick. Patch 9 is distortion, volume swell, filters on gtr, chorus on bass, etc... I "could" have the synth patches changing with this too, but I like the idea of them not changing everytime I change Stick sounds. For example, sometimes I might want synth patch 9 with Stick sounds 1.. sometimes I might want it with Stick sounds 5, or 9. Rather than have a scarry number of FC-200 patches to remember, I just keep the synth in it's own world. While two MIDI outs of the Thru box feed the FX units, another goes to a 1x2 MIDI solutions MIDI router (programmable to send incoming MIDI messages to one, both or neither of it's outs). One Out of this is programmed to send everything except patch changes to the sound module. So my FC-200 CTL pedal (sustain) and Expression pedal (volume) as well as the FC-200 note mode notes all get to the synth, but the patch changes meant only for the FX units don't. The other Router MIDI out goes to the loopers. It filters out MIDI notes, and patch changes. (The Repeater unfortunately responds to everything under the sun and has no internal way to not respond to everything, so I filter stuff out). thanks to the EDP's ability to change what CC#'s control what functions (source number) I found a gap in the Repeaters CC# structure where I could fit in the main EDP functions. The final big MIDI step I guess is that the output from the FC-200, (having gone through the "synth" output of the Router) goes to a MIDI merge, where it joins up with a signal from the Stick's GK2 pickup. Traditionally I've used a GI-10 interface, and used the S1,S2 buttons on the pickup to switch synth patches. I recently bought a GI-20 which has some additional features that I "think" will allow me to get synth patch changes under my feet fairly easily (and without a second MIDI controller.. also an option thanks to the FC-200's MIDI in jack). phew... hope this was actually of inteest to some. Oh.. and the pedals on the FC-200 feel fine. I haven't really noticed a difference between that and the EDP pedal. --Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JYqo30028; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: all access powering problems Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:34:53 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c3bb66$db3b70f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3FCEA922.1020108@finleysound.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 19:26:24.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABBD3260:01C3BB65] Resent-Message-ID: <2DrF9.A.CVH.b3N0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is that the voodoolabs pedalpower? i think the pedalpower can only supply 100 mA. the all access draws about 700 mA. the original supply was rated for around 1.5 A > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew F. McCabe [mailto:mmccabe@finleysound.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: all access powering problems > > > David Swain wrote: > > I'm trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power > > supply, the manual for the all access states it will run of > dc power, > > however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches > light up, the > > numbers below and the display stay unlit. Has anyone else > noticed this > > and how did they get round it ? > > > David, > > As far as I know, there are only two ways to power the All > Access. 1) > using the AC wall wart adapter jack on the back of the All > Access or 2) > using a 7-pin MIDI cable with AC adapter or Rocktron rack > unit. Either > way, if the LCD display isn't working, I'd say something is wrong. > > Matt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JeuD31097; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:40:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 Thread-Index: AcO7ZVWeHPovofq7T5KNeLxXbhMNVQAAijjw From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 19:42:00.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9882630:01C3BB67] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB5JetW31071 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh.. and the pedals on the FC-200 feel fine. I haven't > really noticed a difference between that and the EDP pedal. Actually, I have noticed a bit of a difference and I think I prefer the FC-200 pedals. There is just a little more meat to them. With the EDP controller, I've always tried to keep my rack within good eye shot so that I could visually confirm that an operation took place just because the EFC7 buttons are so soft. Then, in an extra bit of wierdness, a month or so ago I bought a new pair of shoes. The toes are turned up just a bit more than on my old shoes and, for several days, I found myself missing the EFC7 buttons. I actually had to practice my button pushes again. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JihL31880; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:44:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:44:26 -0500 Subject: Surveying Interest in LaFosse clinic in New York, from Todd and Andre... NY'ers, please respond From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3153480266_5967246" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153480266_5967246 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, In trying to work this angle of creating a clinic with Andre, I=B9m trying to assess how much interest in numbers we could expect on the date of January 30th, afternoon, Saturday here in New York. Please respond to this email off-list. Probably best to create a new message by clicking here... todd@toddreynolds.com and simply type two or three words in the subject heading to indicate your interest and/or availability so we get an idea of who will attend... Other salient details: A suggested $10 donation If a small crowd, takes place at todd=B9s place in Sunnyside, Queens, 20 minutes from times square on subway. If large crowd, well, that=B9s what I need to know in order to make other arrangements. Todd Reynolds will also offer up a portion of the clinic on software and hardware looping, especially in the context of his own minimalist and classical compositional techniques. And finally, there will be plenty of coffee and herbal tea, the format will be loose and Andre and I would love to open up the entire afternoon and evening to this so we all have plenty of time to hang for us loopers who only know each other by means of font and musical content. Time for some face time. For our non new york brethren and sistern, a reminder to reply off list whe= n appropriate, All best to everyone. I=B9m excited about the possibilities here... Todd Reynolds --B_3153480266_5967246 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Surveying Interest in LaFosse clinic in New York, from Todd and Andr= e... NY'ers, please respond Hey all,

In trying to work this angle of creating a clinic with Andre, I’m try= ing to assess how much interest in numbers we could expect on the date of Ja= nuary 30th, afternoon, Saturday here in New York.  

Please respond to this email off-list.  Probably best to create a new = message by clicking here...  todd@toddreynolds.com  and simply typ= e two or three words in the subject heading to indicate your interest and/or= availability so we get an idea of who will attend... Other salient details:=

A suggested $10 donation

If a small crowd, takes place at todd’s place in Sunnyside, Queens, 2= 0 minutes from times square on subway.  If large crowd, well, that̵= 7;s what I need to know in order to make other arrangements.

Todd Reynolds will also offer up a portion of the clinic on software and ha= rdware looping, especially in the context of his own minimalist and classica= l compositional techniques.

And finally, there will be plenty of coffee and herbal tea, the format will= be loose and Andre and I would love to open up the entire afternoon and eve= ning to this so we all have plenty of time to hang for us loopers who only k= now each other by means of font and musical content.

Time for some face time.

For our non new york brethren and sistern, a reminder to reply off list whe= n appropriate,

All best to everyone.  I’m excited about the possibilities here.= ..

Todd Reynolds --B_3153480266_5967246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5LFXW16812; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:15:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:15:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:15:54 -0800 Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com havent heard the present band but this photo is interesting... http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5LJNA17778; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <47.36ad92c8.2d025051@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:19:13 EST Subject: Re: FC 200 buttons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/5/03 11:57:00 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << Actually, I have noticed a bit of a difference and I think I prefer the FC-200 pedals. There is just a little more meat to them. With the EDP controller, I've always tried to keep my rack within good eye shot so that I could visually confirm that an operation took place just because the EFC7 buttons are so soft. >> ..and while I'm thinkig about it. the FC-200 buttons all have lights. If you stare at your feet you can confirm whether or not you hit a button by whether or not the light goes on. --Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:05:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5M1OI26065; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: question about stopbox loopers Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:01:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 22:01:18.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F6868C0:01C3BB7B] Resent-Message-ID: <6ounQB.A.IXG.0AQ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most people I know put their looping devices and reverb units (aka time based effects) after distortion, volume, wah, etc (aka amplitude based effects). This allows you to lay a loop of your instrument sounding like one thing, then change the tone of your instrument for accompaniment or more layers. Don't feel like there's some sort of rule you must follow though. I would suggest experimenting with different setups for different recordings and sets. Personally, I arrange my looping units in sequence (one feeds into the other). This makes it easier to build fragmented and complex loops fairly quickly, especially when they're not in sync. Most other people I've seen with multiple loopers run them parallel, so they have more control over working with each loop independently. >"Gareth Hardwick" done wrote: I've got a >few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, >particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. > >How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series >(one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? >Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal >chain? > >I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, >DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether >their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of >them. _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5M8To27574; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:08:21 EST Subject: "UN" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <8POcMB.A.tuG.dHQ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven tracs of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature but with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music and forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david recorded from 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:20:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5MGhr29912; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:16:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: question about stopbox loopers Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:18:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <5SQrsB.A.PTH.KPQ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A "rule" I follow is: put those time based effects after distortion/compression/octave/.... The reason is: I want the originally distorted sound echoed/looped not the echoed/looped sound distorted. Especially with echo it sounds bad to me when the fading volume makes the distortion kick in less and less. Might be interesting though when using a volume dependent filter... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] > Sent: Freitag, 5. Dezember 2003 23:01 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: question about stopbox loopers > > > Most people I know put their looping devices and reverb units (aka time > based effects) after distortion, volume, wah, etc (aka amplitude based > effects). This allows you to lay a loop of your instrument > sounding like one > thing, then change the tone of your instrument for accompaniment or more > layers. > > Don't feel like there's some sort of rule you must follow though. I would > suggest experimenting with different setups for different recordings and > sets. > > Personally, I arrange my looping units in sequence (one feeds into the > other). This makes it easier to build fragmented and complex loops fairly > quickly, especially when they're not in sync. Most other people I've seen > with multiple loopers run them parallel, so they have more control over > working with each loop independently. > > > >"Gareth Hardwick" done wrote: > I've got a > >few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, > >particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. > > > >How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they > run in series > >(one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? > >Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in > their signal > >chain? > > > >I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a > Boss DD-20, > >DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether > >their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of > >them. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5Ma1v02713; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:35:59 EST Subject: in answer to several questions (boomerang & two loopers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i no longer have the original e-mails 1. i have my boomerang being fed from my aux send on my mackie mixer, the main line out of the rang is sent to an alesis air fx (if you do this, make sure the jack coming out of the rang is NOT stereo) i have a mono 1/4 in. jack splitting into two mono "RCA's" going into the alesis, this then goes from the alesis as two RCA's into two 1/4 in. jacks going into the mackie into its very own channel.....the aux out on the rang goes RCA to 1/4 in. into the mackie into its very own channel.....this way i have an effected loop and an uneffected loop that i can play with.....i can not understand why you are having the problems with your mixer, it should work as you describe 2. i run my loopers in series, as matt mentioned, this is a quick way to build up thick sounding loops.....an example: short loop on the electrix mo-fx which can be sent to the rang.....you can then stop the loop on the mo-fx and just have the rang play it or let it continue to play and have it go out of phase (the mo and rang are not midi hip).....i have never played with my loopers in parallel.....every thing ends up in my rang.....just experiment From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 18:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5NQwf12431; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:26:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:26:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 23:26:52.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[439F0560:01C3BB87] Resent-Message-ID: <1KkpDC.A.FCD.CRR0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glenn, Yeah my shoes of choice for looping are Vans (the blue Rowley's). If i wear boots i am totally scewed! peace -matt >From: "Glenn Poorman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:41:59 -0500 > > > Oh.. and the pedals on the FC-200 feel fine. I haven't > > really noticed a difference between that and the EDP pedal. > >Actually, I have noticed a bit of a difference and I think I prefer >the FC-200 pedals. There is just a little more meat to them. With >the EDP controller, I've always tried to keep my rack within good >eye shot so that I could visually confirm that an operation took >place just because the EFC7 buttons are so soft. Then, in an extra >bit of wierdness, a month or so ago I bought a new pair of shoes. >The toes are turned up just a bit more than on my old shoes and, >for several days, I found myself missing the EFC7 buttons. I actually >had to practice my button pushes again. > >Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 18:49:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5NiGJ16250; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <159.2933204e.2d027241@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:01 EST Subject: stompbox loopers To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy, I use a zvex lo-fi looper into a line6 dl6. I have all my distortion/modulation/tremelo/overdrive stuff before the zvex. I also have a mixer w/ a jamman and a lexicon multi-effects. So I guess I'm a series/parallel kind of looper. Enjoy the snow loops! =-) PJ --part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy,
    I use a zvex lo-fi looper into a line6 dl6. I have all my= distortion/modulation/tremelo/overdrive stuff before the zvex. I also have=20= a mixer w/ a jamman and a lexicon multi-effects. So I guess I'm a series/par= allel kind of looper. Enjoy the snow loops! =3D-) PJ --part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:21:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB60J0F22982; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c3bb8e$a9555d80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: "UN" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:19:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.223.248] at Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:18:56 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael - Thank you for your really kind words on "UN." The response from fellow = Loopers-Delight readers who recently received "UN" has been very = encouraging. It's been a real shot in the arm. =20 After so many attempts to connect to labels and such for my rock bands, = I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible marketer of my music. I'm = regularly praised by people who hear this music, but I don't know where = to turn to help getting it released short of funding pressing and = distribution myself. So, if anyone here can suggest = people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most obliged! =20 Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 CD's recorded and mastered and = awaiting funding to put them out. =20 1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, you guessed it, 9.9.99 2) EP - stuff from 2000, and tracks from 9.9.99 that didn't sequence=20 3) 2000 4) Unreleased: 2001-2003 David Kirkdorffer P.S. I have a few more boxes of UN and DEUX sitting about - if you'd = like copies, please reply OFF LIST ONLY PLEASE with a suitable mailing = address, and I'll pop something in the post to you. Merry Christmas = from avid in Boston! HO HO HO :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: "UN" > just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven = tracs=20 > of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in = nature but=20 > with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this = music and=20 > forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see = david=20 > play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i = say=20 > undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david = recorded from=20 > 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael -
 
Thank you for your really kind words on = "UN."   The response from fellow Loopers-Delight readers who = recently=20 received "UN" has been very encouraging.  It's been a real shot in = the=20 arm. 
 
After so many attempts to connect to = labels and=20 such for my rock bands, I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible = marketer of=20 my music.  I'm regularly praised by people who hear this music, but = I don't=20 know where to turn to help getting it released short of funding pressing = and=20 distribution myself.   So, if anyone here can suggest=20 people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most=20 obliged! 
 
Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 CD's = recorded and=20 mastered and awaiting funding to put them out. 
 
1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, you = guessed=20 it, 9.9.99
2) EP - stuff from 2000, and = tracks from=20 9.9.99 that didn't sequence
3) 2000
4) Unreleased: 2001-2003
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
P.S.  I have a few more = boxes of UN=20 and DEUX sitting about - if you'd like copies, please reply OFF LIST = ONLY PLEASE=20 with a suitable mailing address, and I'll pop something in the post to=20 you.  Merry Christmas from avid in Boston!   HO HO = HO =20   :-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: <Nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08=20 PM
Subject: "UN"

> just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a=20 treat.....seven tracs
> of  very interesting textures coming = from a=20 guitar.....ambient in nature but
> with a nice sense of = melody.....easy=20 to drift off listening to this music and
> forgetting that it is = guitar,=20 really well done.....i would love to see david
> play and get a = better=20 understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say
> = undoing.....THANKS=20 DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david recorded from =
>=20 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing = today!.....michael
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB60huS27802; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:43:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031205174837.007c9dd0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:48:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: "UN" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3XU9v.A.PyG.MZS0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Had the pleasure of meeting David K in CT last week, so we could go over Loop IV on the plex', and -was warmly gifted with several of his CDs. So am looking forward to curling up with them this weekend. Thanks David, for the terrific company, and the great music! -and thanks Michael, for the recommendation. David is definitely a most talented and instinctive player. I've definitely enjoyed what I've heard so far both in person and on the discs I've been able to catch so far. -can't wait for the rest!... TTFN CQ At 05:08 PM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote: >just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven tracs >of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature but >with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music and >forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david >play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say >undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david recorded from >1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB60oNK28884; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:50:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.14.232.148] X-Originating-Email: [vibraphonic_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: vibraphonic_@hotmail.com From: "s. morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:50:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2003 00:50:17.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAF0BA10:01C3BB92] Resent-Message-ID: <83q5wD.A.LDH.PfS0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


who's rig is the photo of in the dead? weir or herring?

2 echoplexes in the dead is interesting!

shane
>From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: looper people >Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:15:54 -0800 > >havent heard the present band but this photo is interesting... >http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm >

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB616Px31220; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3bb95$48bd69c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031205174837.007c9dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "UN" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:07:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.223.248] at Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:06:21 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara - After seeing your command of EDP capabilities leaning toward "sociable" music-making last week, I feel like a complete EDP novice! I'm still trying to grok all that I picked up last week. Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check it out. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Quinn" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: "UN" > Had the pleasure of meeting David K in CT last week, so we could go over > Loop IV on the plex', and -was warmly gifted with several of his CDs. So > am looking forward to curling up with them this weekend. Thanks David, for > the terrific company, and the great music! -and thanks Michael, for the > recommendation. David is definitely a most talented and instinctive > player. I've definitely enjoyed what I've heard so far both in person and > on the discs I've been able to catch so far. -can't wait for the rest!... > > TTFN > > CQ > > At 05:08 PM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote: > >just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven tracs > >of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature but > >with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music > and > >forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david > >play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say > >undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david > recorded from > >1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > > > > > > > --- > > View my online portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 21:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB62U9513744; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:31:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Damn thing! From: Ben Grossman To: loopers-delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4DC53C57-2794-11D8-8F19-003065635F0E@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AHA! I got the FCB1010 working with my Repeater! Thank you all who offered advice, encouragement and help. I figured the stupid thing out, finally. I can credit the pig-headed, obsessive part of me too. I guess I wouldn't still be a looping hurdy gurdy player if it wasn't for that part... ...I still resent that part of my (ageing) brain is now taken up with this nonsense! Thanks again to you all! ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 03:37:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB68YVg11478; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031206002923.02930cc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:40:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9oe-iB.A.OzC.XSZ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably Bob Weir. he started using echoplexes I think about six months or so ago. kim At 04:50 PM 12/5/2003, s. morris wrote: >who's rig is the photo of in the dead? weir or herring? > >2 echoplexes in the dead is interesting! > >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: looper > people >Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... >Date: Fri, 05 Dec > 2003 13:15:54 -0800 > >havent heard the present band but this photo is > interesting... >http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 03:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB68tVJ14572; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:55:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:55:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:55:26 -0800 Subject: Re: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031206002923.02930cc8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it says 'bobs rack' right thar in the url :-) > probably Bob Weir. he started using echoplexes I think about six months or > so ago. > kim > > At 04:50 PM 12/5/2003, s. morris wrote: >> who's rig is the photo of in the dead? weir or herring? >> >> 2 echoplexes in the dead is interesting! > >>> From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: looper >> people >Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... >Date: Fri, 05 Dec >> 2003 13:15:54 -0800 > >havent heard the present band but this photo is >> interesting... >http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 06:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6Bon310674; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:50:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:50:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030001c3bbef$2e1c99b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312050745.hB57jqx21847@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FS: used DL-4 modeller/looper Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:50:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a used DL-4 modeller/looper pedal for sale on www.craigslist.com for $150. I've actually never seen a used one before, so if someone once to score a great simple looper for $100 less than it normally costs, get on over there. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 08:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6DpGL01112; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD1DED0.9070901@biink.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:51:12 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , ":: ambient way" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "extremeNY@topica.com" , Ohmbient list , "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Postponed: E. Willamsburg, Brooklyn: An Evening of Improvisation 12/6 - da weather! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh oh....big double punch snow storm....December 6th, 2003 concert in East Williamsburg postponed until some future date, due to blizzard conditions! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 12:08:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6H5oe16400; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <49.373433e6.2d03665b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:05:31 EST Subject: Re: "UN" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/03 8:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: > Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check > it out. > well if the dear lass would be so kind to let us poor EASTERNERS know when she is coming to our areas that would be a given.....:).....michael p.s. always room at CASA KLOBUCHAR in snowy PITTSBURGH for wayfareing loopers! --part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/5/0= 3 8:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes:


Anyone with an opportunity to s= ee Cara loop would be well advised to check
it out.


well if the dear lass would be so kind to let us poor EASTERNERS know when s= he is coming to our areas that would be a given.....:).....michael
p.s. always room at CASA KLOBUCHAR in snowy PITTSBURGH for wayfareing looper= s! --part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6IBPZ32079; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: EDP BrotherSync Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: EDP BrotherSync Thread-Index: AcO8JIUBvzAGG2KTQCqU03pG4ah1jA== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2003 18:12:30.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[8362CA40:01C3BC24] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB6IBPW32057 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just an update here in case anyone is interested. I followed Matthias' advice and contacted Andy for some new crystals. He sent me two sets. Since one of my units is brand new, he suggested only replacing the crystals in the old one. I did that this morning, fed a loop into the stereo pair, and left the room for a good half hour. Upon my return, the two units were perfectly in sync. Thanks Matthias and Andy for your help. Glenn (www.detroitstick.com) > some EDPs of different ages really dont sync up at sample level. > the solution is to replace the crystals. > the easiest is to x-replace between the two units so that Y1 of the > older unit is exchanged with the Y2 of the older, but this may cause > the units not to start up the first time you switch them on and still > does not garantee you are syncable to the new units once you meet > another brother. > > so the good way is to replace all 4 cristals by some new ones you can > get from Shane or Andy . > I personally think it would be nice of Gibson to give them for free, > but dont expect Shane or Andy to do so, because they both work > independent of Gibson. > > I have a lot more about BrotherSync in my pipe line here, but no time... > :-( > > hope you are all well and looping > Matthias > > >Hello all, > > > >I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives > >for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite > >a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a > >second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've > >noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my > >right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop > >plays. > > > >My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one > >EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out > >of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable > >connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters > >are identical on the two machines including the sync > >which is set to "Out". > > > >From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty > >of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so > >I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders. > > > >Any insight would be most welcome. > > > >Thanks, > >Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6INSq02393; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:23:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:23:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: Subject: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:23:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm in the process of producing a video installation, which will consist = of several screens / speakers playing loops of corresponding sound and = image. For example, one source might be someone clapping a rhythm, with = the sound looping one bar, with video of the person's hands looping a = slightly shorter section, such that they move in and out of phase with = each other gradually. There will be maybe five screens playing at the = same time, each of which will also phase with eachother. Obviously, I'm = greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and other = loop-based music. I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of = installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to = similar or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts = about what I am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I'm in the process of producing a video = installation, which will consist of several screens / speakers playing = loops of=20 corresponding sound and image.  For example, one source might be = someone=20 clapping a rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with video of = the=20 person's hands looping a slightly shorter section, such that they move = in and=20 out of phase with each other gradually.  There will be maybe five = screens=20 playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with = eachother. =20 Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and = other=20 loop-based music.  I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of = installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to = similar or=20 related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I am = trying=20 to, that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6IsoI09274; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c3bc2a$6a2bce90$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: <71.388242c6.2d037d38@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:54:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's for my university course... something of an academic exercise, at least for the now, it will be in my front room and possibly in the computer room at college. I'm at university in London, and will be doing a finals show in the spring, probably with a somewhat different kind of sound installation. Perhaps I ought to try and actually look for places to show my work generally - this is something that I wouldn't mind people actually seeing / hearing, and I face the prospect of graduation soon. Maybe I'll set up a web page some time and let people get stuff from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Looping sound and image > peter.....where are you going to do this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:58:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6IsuD09315; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c3bc2a$8fb72a60$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:55:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.192.47] at Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:54:53 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some links on loops and art installations... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200105/msg00137.html http://www.creativesynth.com/opinion/103_Installations/Installations.html= The San Francisco Exploratorium installation had a soundtrack that = consisted of loops of varying lengths, on auto-repeat cassette decks = playing non synchronously. So he had four cassette decks playing = different length loops in 8 different channels (as far as I could tell = they were not "stereo" mixes on the tapes but actually two different = non-synchronous tracks), and then he localized the channels through = speakers scattered through the installations so standing at any one spot = you would hear a blend of loops through different speakers. These = "loops" were actually fairly long, and the "soundtrack" itself was = essentially one huge loop - Eno guestimated that it would take some 127 = weeks for the loop to precisely repeat itself. But from a listener = perspective repetetive elements were pretty recognizable. It sounds like = Eno may have used the same source material at various locations, but = each random configuration of the starting of the cassettes would create = a fairly unique juxtaposition of the source loops.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Todd=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Looping sound and image Hi, I'm in the process of producing a video installation, which will = consist of several screens / speakers playing loops of corresponding = sound and image. For example, one source might be someone clapping a = rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with video of the person's hands = looping a slightly shorter section, such that they move in and out of = phase with each other gradually. There will be maybe five screens = playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with eachother. = Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and = other loop-based music. I don't know how aware anyone on this list is = of installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to = similar or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts = about what I am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some links on loops and art=20 installations...
 
ht= tp://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200105/msg00137.html
http://www.creativesynth.com/opinion/103_Installations/Installa= tions.html
 

The San Francisco Exploratorium installation had a soundtrack that = consisted of=20 loops of varying lengths, on auto-repeat cassette decks playing non=20 synchronously. So he had four cassette decks playing different length = loops in 8=20 different channels (as far as I could tell they were not "stereo" mixes = on the=20 tapes but actually two different non-synchronous tracks), and then he = localized=20 the channels through speakers scattered through the installations so = standing at=20 any one spot you would hear a blend of loops through different speakers. = These=20 "loops" were actually fairly long, and the "soundtrack" itself was = essentially=20 one huge loop - Eno guestimated that it would take some 127 weeks for = the loop=20 to precisely repeat itself. But from a listener perspective repetetive = elements=20 were pretty recognizable. It sounds like Eno may have used the same = source=20 material at various locations, but each random configuration of the = starting of=20 the cassettes would create a fairly unique juxtaposition of the source = loops.=20

 

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Todd
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 1:23=20 PM
Subject: Looping sound and = image

Hi,
 
I'm in the process of producing a = video=20 installation, which will consist of several screens / speakers playing = loops=20 of corresponding sound and image.  For example, one source might = be=20 someone clapping a rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with = video of=20 the person's hands looping a slightly shorter section, such that they = move in=20 and out of phase with each other gradually.  There will be maybe = five=20 screens playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with=20 eachother.  Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's = early tape=20 pieces, and other loop-based music.  I don't know how aware = anyone on=20 this list is of installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can = refer=20 me to similar or related work or literature, or simply share any = thoughts=20 about what I am trying to, that would be greatly = appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 14:36:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6JYAa16136; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3bc2f$e8bf45c0$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> <006401c3bc2a$8fb72a60$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:34:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks David, that's useful. I don't know if people here know of = 'Longplayer' by Jem Finer, too; a loop-based composition designed to = play for exactly one thousand years before repeating itself, that's been = going since 2000. It's supposed to stream on the web, but they seem = incapable of making that happen, unfortunately. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Some links on loops and art installations... . ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks David, that's useful.  I = don't know=20 if people here know of 'Longplayer' by Jem Finer, too; a loop-based = composition designed to play for exactly one thousand years before = repeating=20 itself, that's been going since 2000.  It's supposed to stream on = the web,=20 but they seem incapable of making that happen, = unfortunately.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 6:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Looping sound and=20 image

Some links on loops and art=20 installations...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 15:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6KPRu27820; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c3bc38$b4c97d40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Arms Full of Sound Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:37:03 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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"sub.terra" is available now through ping things at http://www.pingthings.com rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 15:57:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6KsTB02934; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:54:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c3bc3b$21b8aff0$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:54:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, that was one of the first pieces 'like that' I was really = drawn in by the idea of it (even though it seemed quite banal in a way, = too, and I wasn't too fussed about general melenial hype). I dunno. = It's a nice piece. Sounds alright as well (at least the minute or so = I've heard of it). I'm not going to regail you with my own thoughts = about it; that'd really put you off. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: | SquidLoop |=20 To: 'Peter Todd'=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Looping sound and image I never understood the art in things like that J =20 'Longplayer' by Jem Finer, too; a loop-based composition designed to = play for exactly one thousand years before repeating itself ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, that was one of the first = pieces 'like=20 that' I was really drawn in by the idea of it (even though it = seemed=20 quite banal in a way, too, and I wasn't too fussed about general = melenial=20 hype).  I dunno.  It's a nice piece.  Sounds alright as = well (at=20 least the minute or so I've heard of it).  I'm not going to regail = you with=20 my own thoughts about it; that'd really put you off.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 |=20 SquidLoop |
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 8:28=20 PM
Subject: RE: Looping sound and=20 image

I never = understood=20 the art in things like that J

 

'Longplayer' by Jem=20 Finer, too; a loop-based composition designed to play for exactly one = thousand=20 years before repeating=20 itself
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 16:27:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6LPX708998; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <21cb01c3bc41$1d841f40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> <006401c3bc2a$8fb72a60$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:37:14 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The images were not looped but the sounds were (and randomized, as well as looped, to produce a theoretically almost infinite soundscape) in this installation we mounted in Dec.1996. http://www.dreamstate.to/between_realities.htm Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Saturday, 06 December, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Some links on loops and art installations... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200105/msg00137.html http://www.creativesynth.com/opinion/103_Installations/Installations.html The San Francisco Exploratorium installation had a soundtrack that consisted of loops of varying lengths, on auto-repeat cassette decks playing non synchronously. So he had four cassette decks playing different length loops in 8 different channels (as far as I could tell they were not "stereo" mixes on the tapes but actually two different non-synchronous tracks), and then he localized the channels through speakers scattered through the installations so standing at any one spot you would hear a blend of loops through different speakers. These "loops" were actually fairly long, and the "soundtrack" itself was essentially one huge loop - Eno guestimated that it would take some 127 weeks for the loop to precisely repeat itself. But from a listener perspective repetetive elements were pretty recognizable. It sounds like Eno may have used the same source material at various locations, but each random configuration of the starting of the cassettes would create a fairly unique juxtaposition of the source loops. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Todd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Looping sound and image Hi, I'm in the process of producing a video installation, which will consist of several screens / speakers playing loops of corresponding sound and image. For example, one source might be someone clapping a rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with video of the person's hands looping a slightly shorter section, such that they move in and out of phase with each other gradually. There will be maybe five screens playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with eachother. Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and other loop-based music. I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to similar or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 16:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6LTsq09891; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:32:53 -0500 Subject: As if you were planning on leaving your house tonight-- From: Dan Soltzberg To: ghost 7 / Orange events Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3153573174_1231235" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153573174_1231235 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi fans-- Although the Zeitgeist, like the post office, is not to be deterred by the weather, I am, and thus will not be playing tonight. Call Zeitgeist at 617.876.6060 for the latest status of this evening=B9s show if you still need your fix of improvised music for the week-- Andrew D=92Angelo & MORTHANA are likely to be happening, as well as whichever members of Node are able to snowshoe over to the Gallery. Be well and warm. Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com =20 --B_3153573174_1231235 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable As if you were planning on leaving your house tonight-- Hi fans--


Although the Zeitgeist, like the post office, is not to be deterred by the = weather, I am, and thus will not be playing tonight.

Call Zeitgeist at    617.876.6060   for the latest status of this e= vening’s show if you still need your fix of improvised music for the w= eek--
Andrew D?Angelo & MORTHANA are likely to be happening, as well as which= ever members of Node are able to snowshoe over to the Gallery.


Be well and warm.


Dan


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ghost 7/ Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com

--B_3153573174_1231235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 18:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6NOg527466; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031206162817.007d5a60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:28:17 -0700 To: "Peter Todd" From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was involved in something like this for Halloween 2002, where we had about five slightly different mixes of the same loop-based piece of slightly differing lengths playing simultaneously in various rooms of an old house which was turned into a haunted house for the occasion. So, in the main room of the house, you could hear a mix of all of the sources playing together and then from there, could move into each room in turn. It was pretty amazing how randomly coherent the overall music and sound was, considering the happen-stance nature of the idea. I'm not sure this is much help, but I can certainly connect you with the person whose idea it was, who's done more like that as well, if you'd like. Have a great weekend!... TTFN CQ At 06:23 PM 12/6/03 -0000, you wrote: > Hi, I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of >installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to similar >or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I >am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 19:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB70QCg07129; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031206172954.007979e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:29:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: "UN" In-Reply-To: <003701c3bb95$48bd69c0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <3.0.5.32.20031205174837.007c9dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks so much David, you're very kind. If you'd like to do it again sometime, I can certainly let ya know when I'll be back, and perhaps we can play a gig or house concert or something together as well if you'd like. Feel free to e-mail me as well, if you need any further clarification on anything we chatted about last week. You might also check out Andre's website, as he's taken alot of time and trouble to detail pretty much every echoplex function there is. -and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to help out truly interested loopers with questions. So, which realm are you working in these days? Cara's World, Cara with Sprinkles, (I'll have to chat with a photog about creating this image! lol! -way fun!!!) or David's World? To the list, David referred to more sociable music, since I tend to use the plex' with other musicians in mind, working with it very dynamically to keep it a living part of the mix, as another musician would be, rather than just a repetitious noisy thing going on over and over and over again in the background that we'd all better play to or else sound bad. lol! I don't let loops play unchanged for very long at all, and in most cases, not even one iteration of a loop, unless I'm soloing or backing out completely to balance a mix with others. And I also have gotten somewhat used to dealing with drummers who either can't hear a loop well enough or don't quite know what to listen for, so will always be aware of synching on the fly in a number of ways to keep the loop from getting away from the music. -or again, sounding bad. So I tend to really focus on blending the plex in with a situation rather than necessarily being the situation. Does that make sense? -thus more sociable music. Anyway, thanks again David, -and please lemme' know how things are going wicha', K? bye bye, Cara At 08:07 PM 12/5/03 -0500, you wrote: >Cara - > >After seeing your command of EDP capabilities leaning toward "sociable" >music-making last week, I feel like a complete EDP novice! >I'm still trying to grok all that I picked up last week. > >Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check >it out. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cara Quinn" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:48 PM >Subject: Re: "UN" > > >> Had the pleasure of meeting David K in CT last week, so we could go over >> Loop IV on the plex', and -was warmly gifted with several of his CDs. So >> am looking forward to curling up with them this weekend. Thanks David, >for >> the terrific company, and the great music! -and thanks Michael, for the >> recommendation. David is definitely a most talented and instinctive >> player. I've definitely enjoyed what I've heard so far both in person and >> on the discs I've been able to catch so far. -can't wait for the rest!... >> >> TTFN >> >> CQ >> >> At 05:08 PM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote: >> >just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven >tracs >> >of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature >but >> >with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music >> and >> >forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see >david >> >play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say >> >undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david >> recorded from >> >1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> View my online portfolio at: >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 >> -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:01:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB70x9w16212; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031206180252.009e7210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:02:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: "UN" In-Reply-To: <49.373433e6.2d03665b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael!, *laughing* How do ya think David heard about me coming?! lol! I thought I posted it. -but for future, I'll definitely let the list know where and when I'll be, if you guys would like. So, since my geographical sense is ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS! lol! Where is Pittsburgh in relation to Phili? I have a friend who'd desperately like me to come and play there, so if I could perhaps schedule a photo shoot or little gig or house concert or somethin' in addition to seeing my friend, I'd love to make a stop in Pburgh and Phili either on the way to NYC or CT, or on the way back. I'm actually planning to come that way again very soon, perhaps for the holidays, or at the latest, mid Jan. Thanks for the offer of lodging. Do you have an extra room or something? Would putting together a performance or something be a likely proposition? Anyway, thanks again for your interest, and hopefully we can be in contact. Catch ya laters... TTFN CQ At 12:05 PM 12/6/03 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/5/03 8:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, >vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: > > > Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check > it out. > > > > well if the dear lass would be so kind to let us poor EASTERNERS know when >she is coming to our areas that would be a given.....:).....michael > p.s. always room at CASA KLOBUCHAR in snowy PITTSBURGH for wayfareing >loopers! --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB71WLs25171; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:32:02 -0500 Subject: Anybody interested? From: quadraloop To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Please visit www.quadraloop.com and let me know if this would be an interesting software for you. I am almost finished but need some polishing... This is a real-time looping software for performance and sound design. Respond to: info@quadraloop.com Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB71lub28746; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:47:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c3bc62$ecfe1fc0$97661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <49.373433e6.2d03665b@aol.com> Subject: Re: storm, Cd Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:39:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, are you warm and dry??? Sounds like quite a storm coming to the = east. One is predicated here, but not in your league or scale. Did you = get the CD I sent you yet? Let me know your thoughts on the piece I want = to use. Something else you would prefer from it? Robin ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael, are you warm and dry??? = Sounds like=20 quite a storm coming to the east. One is predicated here, but not in = your league=20 or scale. Did you get the CD I sent you yet? Let me know your thoughts = on the=20 piece I want to use. Something else you would prefer from it?=20 Robin
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 23:54:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB74q0d05685; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:51:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Tacoma]: Festival of Unruly Music, Sunday December 7th From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <166BD740-2871-11D8-93B4-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be doing some ambient electric looping at this show tomorrow evening, and the other performers are all fairly loop-enabled: Quiet Music Cultivation presents The First Annual Tacoma Festival of Unruly Music Tacoma, Abbey Ballroom, 1901 S. Fawcett, 6 pm, $5. "Featuring some of the best composers and sound artists in the Pacific Northwest: biostatic (trumpet,loops), Noancer (loops, beats), inBoil (laptop), Noggin (violin and guitar), jhababa (synthesis), Tiktok (guitar), and other surprises and guests. This evening is both a tribute and synopsis of our first year promoting creative music in Tacoma." Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 00:21:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB75I5T13446; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <165.28cdc174.2d041207@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:17:59 EST Subject: Re: storm, Cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/03 8:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > Did you get the CD I sent you yet? robin.....not yet.....perhaps monday.....only 7 in. of snow here, sort of nice to look at.....i sent you a cd during the week, keep your eyes open for it.....michael --part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/6/0= 3 8:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


Did you get the CD I sent you y= et?


robin.....not yet.....perhaps monday.....only 7 in. of snow here, sort of ni= ce to look at.....i sent you a cd during the week, keep your eyes open for i= t.....michael --part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:28:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7FPnG12543; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:27:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Anybody interested? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: info@quadraloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ben Grossman In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello there, Your software looks interesting, but unfortunately there is very little information on your site about what it does and how it works. Of particular interest to me (and, I suspect, other members of this group): does it work with live inputs through an external device (firewire, for instance) or just sound files on your hard drive? At what bit depth and sample rate? Can it send the loops to multiple outputs? Is there MIDI control of all of the controls? Can the four loopers be run at independent lengths and tempos, or can they only be locked together? If the answers to these questions is yes, then you might be a very busy software designer soon! Regards, ben On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, quadraloop wrote: > Hello, > > Please visit www.quadraloop.com > > and let me know if this would be an interesting software for you. > > I am almost finished but need some polishing... > > This is a real-time looping software for performance and sound design. > > Respond to: info@quadraloop.com > > Thanks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:44:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7Ff7g16151; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:41:57 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: space music retreat In-reply-to: <99.3feabb3b.2cee4fb7@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3FD34A45.3060604@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <99.3feabb3b.2cee4fb7@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SYNAPTIC CONFLUENCE space music retreat May 3-7 2004 Sky Lake Lodge, Rosendale NY There will be a retreat for electronic musicians at a secluded lodge in the Catskills of NY state. Anyone who is interested in sharing 4 days of space, ambient, electronic and experimental music is invited to participate. Musical activities will include individual performances, group improvisations, and collaborations. This is a great opportunity to develop creative ideas and broaden your musical community, while relaxing in a peaceful, natural setting. Non-musicians are also welcome. The registration fee of $320 will cover 4 nights lodging and 3 meals a day. Details are available here: http://spacemusic.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:49:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7Fmge18229; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:48:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:48:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:50:05 -0500 Subject: Re: The International Live Looping Hurdy Gurdiest Guild: first meeting, Northern American Chapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: loopers-delight To: "loop.pool" From: Ben Grossman In-Reply-To: <02cf01c3bbdb$ad7a4810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <06D4F5C0-28CD-11D8-B9F9-003065635F0E@sympatico.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <1VISBB.A.scE.av00_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, OK! Is there anyone else out there playing and looping hurdy gurdy? I'd better start working on a secret hand shake and decoder ring. If all goes well, I'll be touring around the US this April with an act form California. If this happens, I'd love to be able to say hello to all of you far-flung American loopers. I'll let you know how this shapes up. And that will be the best way to trade music since even clearly labelled promotional CDs can get held up at the border! Thanks for the info, Rick. I like your stuff on the site! Regards, ben On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 04:31 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Hey Ben, > > I just wanted to let you know that a really good instrument builder > that I > know (Michael Murphy) > attempted to make me a hurdy gurdy from scratch. > He failed in the attempt but what I have is a hurdy gurdy-esque > instrument > that is really whiny and wheezy. > It sounds like a hurdy gurdy if trent reznor had designed it. I > love the > thing but it is probably more appropriate for > noise music than anything else. > > Just wanted to let you know that there is one other ersatz looping > hurdigurdiest on the planet....................lol > > Love to hear your music sometime. a trade? > > yours, Rick Walker > (www.looppool.info you can check it out to hear the > craziness > that I do, musically: the latest CD being all live). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Grossman" > To: "loopers-delight" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: Damn thing! > > >> AHA! I got the FCB1010 working with my Repeater! >> >> Thank you all who offered advice, encouragement and help. I figured >> the stupid thing out, finally. I can credit the pig-headed, obsessive >> part of me too. I guess I wouldn't still be a looping hurdy gurdy >> player if it wasn't for that part... >> >> >> >> >> ...I still resent that part of my (ageing) brain is now taken up with >> this nonsense! >> >> >> Thanks again to you all! >> >> >> ben >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 12:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7HEj405367; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:14:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:14:26 -0500 From: Mistsojorn@aol.com To: akashmusicnewsgroup@yahoogroups.com, phillygrooves@yahoogroups.com, phillyshows@yahoogroups.com, emerge@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, phiba-improv@topica.com Subject: 12/12: Gate to Moonbase Alpha-Philadelphia MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48035473.2915B0E1.0C142C04@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.236.18.253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB7HEjW05345 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri. 12/12, 8pm-12am: Gate to Moonbase Alpha Free admission, all ages. The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut St., Phila., www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234 Music from:  Mike Tamburo (solo performance!): Mike excelled in such ambient bands as Meisha, and Arco Flute Foundation, and recently finished several solo  recordings incorporating 6 and 12 string acoustic guitar, tibetan bowl, accordion, bells, electronics, dog brush, vocals, percussion, tape recorder, harmonica, melodica, electric guitar, effects, piano, bowed instruments, and vibraphone. Adelante: Trio consisting of Paul Mimlitsch, Jody Janetta, and Dan Osterweil One approach Paul uses utilizes various signal processors and looping devices to create evolving collages of sound ("soundscapes") that serve as both back-drops to original compositions and as stimuli for further exploration/ improvisation. The textures and moods created along this stream of consciousness journey can range from ambient/ meditative to jagged/unsettling, from "straight ahead" to "out". Jody has been a professional musician and educator for the past 30 years. Much of Jody’s performing revolves around his first loves: Jazz and Free Improvisation, in which he performs on both Drum Set and Hand Percussion (Tabla, Djembe, Darbuka, Timbales, Congas, Bongos, etc.). Jody is the founding member of Adelante, whose compositions fuse elements of Jazz, World, Ambient/Electronic, and 20th Century Classical forms.  Dan Osterweil is a multi-instrumentalist/ composer who is featured in Adelante, on Saxophones (7 types) and Flutes (including Recorders and stone flutes). Dan studied and performed at The Creative Music Studio with Don Cherry, Anthony Braxton, Jack DeJohnette, George Russell, John Cage, Allen Ginsburg, and others. http://hometown.aol.com/pmimlitsch/index.html, http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html Anti:Clockwise: About his own breed of music, entitled "Uglient," Anti:Clockwise writes, "…as in real life mistakes are made. once sampled these lapses can never be ignored. they return again and again until eventually they're woven into the fabric of the whole and assimilated…uglient is the melding of the carefully chosen and wantonly blurted out thrown together by misshapen fate or lackluster luck. uglient is the walkman headphones guy on the subway, singing very loud and very sharp off the mark, oblivious… written anew at every show..."  http://www.Tensionheadache.org Mindwarp Pavillion:  Mindwarp Pavilion is synthesist David Lunt (Pretty Poison, Nightcrawlers) and Tim Larsen on bass and synths. Together, they perform loop based techno music with Ambient/Space passages.  Tying together the rhythms which they've dubbed 'Space and Bass', their music is driven from pop culture which includes humor and interpretation of some classics from the 50's to the 90's. +Performance art using everything and the kitchen sink, from The Great Quentini. What more can we say? Everything is sacred and anything is fair game for this 20th Century alchemist. Barbies, nature, political idiosyncrasies, invasions of the world, it's all there. +Free vegetarian buffet from Chef Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 12:32:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7HSZh09112; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:28:25 EST Subject: Re: space music retreat To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/03 10:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > http://spacemusic.us > > yikes does this look like fun.....i would just hope that on the last day they do not sacrifice a "live looper" to the lake gods....."CHILDREN OF THE LOOP" opening CHRISTMAS day in a theater near you.....:).....michael --part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/7/0= 3 10:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes:


http://spacemusic.us



yikes does this look like fun.....i would just hope that on the last day the= y do not sacrifice a "live looper" to the lake gods....."CHILDREN OF THE LOO= P" opening CHRISTMAS day in a theater near you.....:).....michael --part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 12:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7HUVZ09698; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:30:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:30:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Replacing With Multiply on Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:30:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcO858ZfTSldK6hRRCuCjs6jfP3kVQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings List! I have successfully written a pair of patches using the Digitech PMC-10 to replace loops in the EDP, so I thot I'd share-- Pretty simple really--one momentary switch is multiply on press, 0 feedback on release--the second is multiply on press, 127 feedback on release. The momentary feature is so you don't affect any portion of the loop you don't want to . . . So for example, if I create a loop using record, say a melody, and end record with the first switch, it will play the melody while I layer chords. I can then end with switch two and the melody has disappeared. The loop will be at full feedback, and so will play until prompted otherwise. I'm doing it this way as I am using another EDP for percussion parts, and Brother sync wants to see the cycles stay the same (so I can't loop window to do the same thing), and needs a cycle to reset the clock (so I can't just start recording cold during playback). Many thanks again to Sean Echevarria for Raymond, the fabulous PC editing tool for the PMC. Not doing much looping these days, but am playing out a lot. Hope the holidays are bringing joy to all-- Relay ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings=20 List!
I have = successfully=20 written a pair of patches using the Digitech PMC-10 to replace loops in = the EDP,=20 so I thot I'd share--
Pretty = simple=20 really--one momentary switch is multiply on press, 0 feedback on = release--the=20 second is multiply on press, 127 feedback on = release.
The = momentary=20 feature is so you don't affect any portion of the loop you don't want to = . .=20 .
So for = example, if I=20 create a loop using record, say a melody, and end record with the first = switch,=20 it will play the melody while I layer chords.  I can then end with = switch=20 two and the melody has disappeared.  The loop will be at full = feedback, and=20 so will play until prompted otherwise.
I'm = doing it this=20 way as I am using another EDP for percussion parts, and Brother sync = wants to=20 see the cycles stay the same (so I can't loop window to do the same = thing),=20 and needs a cycle to reset the clock (so I can't just start recording = cold=20 during playback).
Many = thanks again to=20 Sean Echevarria for Raymond, the fabulous PC editing tool for the=20 PMC.
Not = doing much=20 looping these days, but am playing out a lot.  Hope the holidays = are=20 bringing joy to all--
Relay
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 13:16:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7IEZV23569; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:14:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:14:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Anybody interested? From: quadraloop To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for your comments, I will let you know when I update these technicalities, but most of your requests are implemented, except for the multiple output, but is easy to add as a feature. Live input (record sound while looping), computer inputs bit rate and sample rate, MIDI for all controls, including effects and four independent loopers (or synced)... Will keep you posted, Ivan On 07/12/03 10:27 AM, "Ben Grossman" wrote: > Hello there, > > Your software looks interesting, but unfortunately there is very > little information on your site about what it does and how it works. > Of particular interest to me (and, I suspect, other members of this > group): does it work with live inputs through an external device > (firewire, for instance) or just sound files on your hard drive? At > what bit depth and sample rate? Can it send the loops to multiple > outputs? Is there MIDI control of all of the controls? Can the four > loopers be run at independent lengths and tempos, or can they only be > locked together? > > If the answers to these questions is yes, then you might be a very busy > software designer soon! > > > Regards, > > > ben > > On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, quadraloop wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Please visit www.quadraloop.com >> >> and let me know if this would be an interesting software for you. >> >> I am almost finished but need some polishing... >> >> This is a real-time looping software for performance and sound design. >> >> Respond to: info@quadraloop.com >> >> Thanks. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 15:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7KP2521771; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:24:51 +0100 Subject: Re: space music retreat From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FD34A45.3060604@optonline.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_bUrBD.A.AUF.ey40_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-07 16.41, "Greg Waltzer" wrote: > SYNAPTIC CONFLUENCE > space music retreat > May 3-7 2004 > Sky Lake Lodge, Rosendale NY > > There will be a retreat for electronic musicians at a secluded lodge in > the Catskills of NY state. > Anyone who is interested in sharing 4 days of space, ambient, electronic > and experimental music is invited to participate. Musical activities > will include individual performances, group improvisations, and > collaborations. This is a great opportunity to develop creative ideas > and broaden your musical community, while relaxing in a peaceful, > natural setting. > > Non-musicians are also welcome. > The registration fee of $320 will cover 4 nights lodging and 3 meals a day. > > Details are available here: > http://spacemusic.us How awesome! If it wasn't for the geographical space I would have loved to chime in with the musical space! To all you space music fans out there I can report that Drone Zone at http://www.somafm.com/ is now running a space music stream. I have been enjoying it all day while working. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7NEV724409; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:14:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:14:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: Ahn Trio Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw the Ahn Trio perform for the first time the other night at the Annenberg Center in Philly. They're a top-notch classical trio that also plays very edgey contemporary pieces, sometimes very punk in their tones and rhythmic tensions. They were providing live accomp for the David Parsons dance ensemble. I went for the dance, not knowing there would be live music. During a famous dance piece called "Caught" (I think), in which the dancer displays amazing timing and technical skill while using a strobelight to create visusal effects of travelling through space, seemingly suspended off the ground, Angella Ahn provided solo violin accompaniment using a stomp loopbox with a loop period of about 15 seconds or so. She started off with very open, sparse ambient sounds from the violin, slowly adding elements that were more and more rhythmic as the dance picked up in pace and developed a noticeable rhythm. By the end she had a wonderfully full and rhythmic loop built up. It was amazing all around. Has anyone seen this? If any of you like dance, this is a great show to go see, for both the music and the dance. The tix to David Parsons shows are usually expensive, but I was able to volunteer for the show and get in free - a great way to see the show. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:58:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7Nu7H02542; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c3bd1e$362d1aa0$92dd7044@sli.la.charter.com> From: "StuartF" To: References: <002d01c3bb8e$a9555d80$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: "UN" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:59:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I, too, have been on the receiving end of David's generosity. UN is a = great listen. Hard to believe it was all done on guitar and that no = synths were used. The power of looping, I guess. I'd take him up on the free copies if I were you.=20 Stuart ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: Re: "UN" Michael - Thank you for your really kind words on "UN." The response from = fellow Loopers-Delight readers who recently received "UN" has been very = encouraging. It's been a real shot in the arm. =20 After so many attempts to connect to labels and such for my rock = bands, I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible marketer of my = music. I'm regularly praised by people who hear this music, but I don't = know where to turn to help getting it released short of funding pressing = and distribution myself. So, if anyone here can suggest = people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most obliged! =20 Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 CD's recorded and mastered and = awaiting funding to put them out. =20 1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, you guessed it, 9.9.99 2) EP - stuff from 2000, and tracks from 9.9.99 that didn't sequence=20 3) 2000 4) Unreleased: 2001-2003 David Kirkdorffer P.S. I have a few more boxes of UN and DEUX sitting about - if you'd = like copies, please reply OFF LIST ONLY PLEASE with a suitable mailing = address, and I'll pop something in the post to you. Merry Christmas = from avid in Boston! HO HO HO :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: "UN" > just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a = treat.....seven tracs=20 > of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in = nature but=20 > with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this = music and=20 > forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to = see david=20 > play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should = i say=20 > undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that = david recorded from=20 > 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all.
 
I, too, have been on the receiving end = of David's=20 generosity. UN is a great listen. Hard to believe it was all done = on guitar=20 and that no synths were used. The power of looping, I = guess.
 
I'd take him up on the free copies if I = were you.=20
 
Stuart
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 = 6:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: "UN"

Michael -
 
Thank you for your really kind words = on=20 "UN."   The response from fellow Loopers-Delight readers who = recently received "UN" has been very encouraging.  It's been a = real shot=20 in the arm. 
 
After so many attempts to connect to = labels and=20 such for my rock bands, I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible = marketer=20 of my music.  I'm regularly praised by people who hear this = music, but I=20 don't know where to turn to help getting it released short of funding = pressing=20 and distribution myself.   So, if anyone here can suggest=20 people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most=20 obliged! 
 
Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 = CD's recorded=20 and mastered and awaiting funding to put them out. 
 
1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, = you guessed=20 it, 9.9.99
2) EP - stuff from 2000, and = tracks from=20 9.9.99 that didn't sequence
3) 2000
4) Unreleased: 2001-2003
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
P.S.  I have a few more = boxes of UN=20 and DEUX sitting about - if you'd like copies, please reply OFF LIST = ONLY=20 PLEASE with a suitable mailing address, and I'll pop something in the = post to=20 you.  Merry Christmas from avid in Boston!   HO HO = HO =20   :-)
 
 
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Subject: "UN"

> just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a=20 treat.....seven tracs
> of  very interesting textures = coming from=20 a guitar.....ambient in nature but
> with a nice sense of=20 melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music and
> = forgetting=20 that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david =
>=20 play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i = say=20
> undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material = that david=20 recorded from
> 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing = today!.....michael
> ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 22:01:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8306o10773; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:00:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031207200349.007d5260@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:03:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: space music retreat In-Reply-To: <1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if they let in chicks clad in black leather and lycra, who wear spiked collars and glitch alot! lol! I'm a space case alot, but I wouldn't necessarily call what I do space music?!!! lol! -sounds like fun though... -Perhaps I'll check into it. TTFN CQ At 12:28 PM 12/7/03 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/7/03 10:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, >gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > > > http://spacemusic.us > > > > > yikes does this look like fun.....i would just hope that on the last day >they do not sacrifice a "live looper" to the lake gods....."CHILDREN OF THE >LOOP" opening CHRISTMAS day in a theater near you.....:).....michael --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 22:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB83a1Y16227; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031208033559.46683.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: hi-watt tape delay To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this has probably been brought up before, but its new to me.... http://www.gaspedal.com/hiwatttape.htm features an input for a hold switch too! pretty cool. d __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 22:38:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB83Z2716031; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031208033501.18176.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: the dead and looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bob weir JUST got an EDP in his rig 6 monthg ago?? funny, i thought the grateful dead had been looping the same chord progression for the last 35 years.... =) dylan (p.s. i'm a deadhead, please don't flame me) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 23:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB84SDJ28284; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031208042807.93086.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: WTB: beige-face EDP To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-836663044-1070857687=:91779" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-836663044-1070857687=:91779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oberheim or gibson...doesn't matter, but i'm looking for a beige-face edp, preferably with loop3.5. -jim --0-836663044-1070857687=:91779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
oberheim or gibson...doesn't matter, but i'm looking for a beige-face edp, preferably with loop3.5.
 
-jim
--0-836663044-1070857687=:91779-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 23:45:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB84ih832061; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:44:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: beige-face EDP Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:44:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031208042807.93086.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcO9Q7hbAPmtPY5dQh6fiVjfNx2gXAAAc+Ug Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why the old unit? I thot the new ones in Ratdog's rack looked really cool . . . And the new units probably were built with better quality control, Andy and company at Trace Elliot doing a bang up job-- Should I sell you one of my beige ones and buy an EDP+? I do still have the old Loop III chips somewhere . . . But the new software totally rocks! Gary From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:28 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB: beige-face EDP oberheim or gibson...doesn't matter, but i'm looking for a beige-face edp, preferably with loop3.5. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 01:45:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB86grU21360; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:41:11 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:42:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-Id: <82BC8DE2-2949-11D8-A5EF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Resent-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at the Penny Cafe, Tuesday December 9 From: Travis Hartnett To: Travis Hartnett Message-Id: Resent-From: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing at the always cozy Penny Cafe this Tuesday, starting at 7:30PM. Afterwards, singer-songwriter Andrew Norsworthy will do his his thing until either the cops or the staff shut the place down. There's no cover, and lots of free parking at 1707 NW Market, the live music capital of Ballard. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Yet Sometimes Un-updated Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 09:23:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8EKDv05551; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:20:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:20:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:18:43 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "UN" X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20031208.061914.26924.282228@webmail16.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree! I just listened to UN over the weekend and really liked it enough to loop it a few times! Thanks! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 09:48:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8EjEw09151; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: steve jones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Please remove me from your mailing list - Re: Gig Spam [Seattle] Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB8EjDW09128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm UK based and can't get to your gigs! On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:41:11 -0800, you wrote: >I'll be playing at the always cozy Penny Cafe this Tuesday, starting at >7:30PM. Afterwards, singer-songwriter Andrew Norsworthy will do his >his thing until either the cops or the staff shut the place down. > >There's no cover, and lots of free parking at 1707 NW Market, the live >music capital of Ballard. > >Be seeing you, > >Travis > > >*-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* > >The Official Yet Sometimes Un-updated Travis Hartnett Website: >http://www.travishartnett.com > >*-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 18:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8N64e04201; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c3bddf$d4682ea0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? proposal for a new thread Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:05:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9QqxXB.A.iBB.cPQ1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After having seen a number of live looping gigs (and for all of you who have attended the multiple loop artist loop festivals in Europe, England, California, Massachusetts and New York..........did I leave anyone out?) I'd like to propose a new thread: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER as Live Looping artists Here are some suggestions for things to talk about in such a loosely defined thread. Please feel free to add on to the list. 1) What could we do better? 2) What would make our performances more fun or interesting to watch or listen to. 3) What are your pet peeves about looping shows? 4) What kinds of specific critiques do you have (but please don't mention individual artists so that we can keep this thing non-personal and positively constructive)...........and how would you fix the 'problems'. 5) What do you wish you could see people do that you think they have the capability to do (but aren't doing so far). 6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival more interesting to watch 7) Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete and utter bullshit? 8) Are you happy that there are starting to be more and more of such festivals yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 18:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8NRiB07893; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:27:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that the largest thing that hurts us so far as a performance art is the 'shoe gazer' factor. What we are doing is incredibly difficult from a multi-tasking standpoint and there is a strong tendency to constantly be looking away from the audience to push buttons and tweak things. Frequently, I'll watch loopers bend over and tweak something and, as an audience member, I can't even tell what changed to the sound. There is, consequently, a lot of lack of eye contact between a lot of performers and the audience. Eye contact has nothing, of course, to do with the way our music sounds, but it does radically increase the emotional connection factor of any performance. John Whooley's performance at Y2K3 is particularly exemplary in this respect. John even had a very long chord and loopers attached to his belt so that he could actually go out into the audience to engage people. Of course, not everyone will have the capacity to do this, but the point is, he was very engaging of the audience and consequently, very fun to watch. I have noticed that anyone who does anything visual, from George Demarest lighting up his hands and his trumpet with leds to the several people who used airsynths or aireffects or d-beam controllers to alter their sounds seemed to add to just the purely visual interest of the show. Oddly enough, I found it more fun to watch the people who had complex racks with lots of blinking gear if their gear was visible to the audience (as opposed to facing away from them). A few people sat sideways which allowed this view instead of facing the audience straight away. In a static visual performance, I found it more interesting to actually see what the knobs that they were twiddling and the lights blinking, commensorately. I don't know if I'm in the minority on this one or not and would love to hear feedback. There were, of course, people like Gary Regina, who just played different instruments seated in a chair which made for a compelling performances. He also made a lot of eye contact with the audience and seemed cognizant of them. Let's see, oh yeah...................I found some people who used drum machines tended to fall into two categories of things that bugged me a bit. Either the sound was so static that it just felt too canned or people overprogrammed their drum machines so that they were distracting. Simple a solution as it is, I personally tended to like it when people would use filtering to change the sound of their preprogrammed drums. Someone and I forget who at Y2K3, ended their performance by suddenly filtering the sound into telephone EQs as they faded it out. It really took on a cool dimension and broke the trance of the typical fade out. I also thought that people would make individual pieces go on way too long. Really getting into a piece that takes time to unfold is a really valid approach to music, but I think shows would be far more fascinating if their were more and shorter 'songs' or 'pieces' to beak the performance up. I also tended to like it when there were interactions between musicians, including some people just playing in real time to the loops that were already going. Lately, I"ve become particularly enamored of duets where one person plays and the other person loops and processes that performance...............neither person being able to controll what the other person does so that it becomes a living growing thing. I've end thought about producing a small festival with that as the common metaphor and approach. Does this interest anyone else? The Bay Area Voice and Electronics Thingee that Matt Davignon produced was a wonderful case in point for this style of improv. I was really fascinated by the improvs between acapella vocals and looper/processors that I saw there. It was pretty fun to particpate too. alright, that's it for now. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 21:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB92TLk08195; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:29:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:29:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD536A8.193E1C0F@erols.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:42:49 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Roland EV-5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1jgQoC.A.7_B.BOT1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been getting more into adjusting the feedback setting on the EDP. Normally, I just turn the front panel knob. I have a Roland EV-5, and I've been experimenting with using it to control the feedback. Here is the problem, the highest setting that it will go to is 124 not 127. I know that the EV-5 would work backwards with the EDP. When the pedal is toe down, feedback will read 0. When the pedal is fully toe up, feedback will read 124. Is there a problem with the pedal? Do I need to make an adjustment to the pedal or the EDP? Do I need to just get a better pedal to use? Thanks in advance, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 23:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB948mr26197; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD54982.15930294@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:03:14 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, I actually agree with a number of your pet peeves here (stop the press, I know), but I want to suggest looking at this from a couple of different perspectives. Someone once said that being a live performer involves being "an exaggerated version of yourself," and I think there's a lot of truth to that. (Especially if we're talking about using a technology which literaly does that very thing in a musical sense.) Some people are energetic extroverts, others are sardonic comedians, others still are mysterious enigmas. A big part of how they come across onstage is going to begin with who and what they are before they get onstage. So to me, talking about eye contact, or using lights, or taking live solos over loops, or what sort of drum machine programming to use, becomes almost impossible to discuss in any sort of general sense, because it lacks any specific context to give it meaning. Taken on its own, it's like talking about what kinds of chord changes a person should play over, or how a song should be structured, or whether people should sit or stand when they play. These all depend on what kind of music someone's playing, what kind of personality they have as performers, and how those things are working together to frame the audience's perception. And there's nothing more cringe-inducing than seeing someone who's self-consciously doing some kind of hollow, contrived on-stage gesture just because it's an accepted signifier of being "engaging" or "dynamic," when it clearly lacks any meaningful connection to who they are as performers or people. The one universal truth that seems to apply to performers and audiences is that a player who knows what they're doing, and has something to say, is almost always more engaging than someone who doesn't. So before anyone can worry about how to translate their playing to an audience, they need to be able to play without an audience. That's the first and foremost place to look at: does the music work as music? If you ignore any technological cleverness, real-time dexterity, or other technical considerations, and just deal with it as an unfolding musical event... does it hold up? If not, then that's the first thing to deal with - before you can ask an audience to connect with your music, you've got to connect with it yourself. That means woodshedding, recording yourself and critiquing the bits that need improvement when you listen back. It helps to compare what you do to other music in the same genre - not other people who loop, but other people who are operating in the same general aesthetic and stylistic space that you are, regardless of what kind of gear is in their rack. Don't ask listeners who know the musical territory you're working in to lower their standards to accommodate the extra effort involved in doing something in real time. Raise yourself to those existing standards instead. Once the basic foundation of what you're doing is together, THEN is the time to start thinking about how you want to translate it to an audience. And a translation will probably be in order, because some things that sound great as recorded events might not be so interesting as a live performance. This is where a lot of Rick's issues should work themselves out: some people can use eye contact to connect with an audience, and other people will look like a deer caught in oncoming headlights. Some people can make live soloing and extended repetition elevate their music, but others could bog down an otherwise engaging performance with gratuitous and aimless noodling. Funny facial expressions or outrageous clothes that might help one player draw an audience in could completely undermine someone else's vibe. A drum machine pattern that sounds flat and canned for one player might work perfectly in someone else's recipie for performance, where it's surrounded by a whole different set of musical and gestural ingredients. It's like picking out a wardrobe - a suit and tie projects a person differently than a t-shirt and jeans. The only way to figure this out is personal trial and error. And ultimately, I don't think any of this is unique to looping - it has to do with the craft of performing music for an audience, and that isn't going to instrinsically change based on the presence or absence of a long delay line in someone's rig. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 02:55:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB97s5u28207; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:54:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:54:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.134.234] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:53:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 07:53:53.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[972189C0:01C3BE29] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In an attempt to answer Rick’s call, and to give some “list” of ideas for a better portrayal of the loopist’s craft in a live setting (and somehow avoid resurrecting the debate over the “live looping” moniker), I would like to, in some way, make an attempt to define and qualify (in the broadest of sense) just what we do in that forum. And so, the first question to ask is “is it important to have Looping Festivals?”. And, if so, what purpose do they serve? My own answer to this is an emphatic “yes”. The necessity of the events can be illustrated simply by the mutual support, inspiration, and, yes, sense of community they conjure. By this I do not mean a self-congratulatory, ego-fulfillment exhibition, but rather an opportunity to support, share and learn from other musicians working with loops; all being divergent in style, setup, hardware and/or software and instruments etc., yet still offering inspiration, ideas and support of each other. I believe I have mentioned here before that all artistic movements (and here I would like to NOT address looping as a sort of pretentious “movement”, yet still offer the “craft” of looping has had a substantial impact on the “craft” of music production, regardless of style or genre, and with this as a given fact, we as loopists (loopsters?) ARE actually in the spearhead of a movement, or evolution, of sorts in how music is composed, performed , produced and recorded) have swelled from a similar “self-supporting” system of the artists themselves. Oftentimes, the small community of like-minded, or similarly inclined, artists ARE the only ones giving support, credence and exposure to a “style”, form or school of expression. Yet, looping (both live and otherwise) is somewhat unique as its’ “school of expression” is so diverse in style and form. This is/can be both beneficial and a hindrance to the further popularizing of looping techniques and music. “Looping” itself does not describe the music, but rather is a general term for a technique used in developing a great number of different musics..and as such CAN be a rather hard sell for an audience (tho I must say, Rick has done a remarkable job of “exposing” us and what we do to the public and the press). So, what is the purpose of having a “Looping Festival”? To give a public forum to artists who may, due to the nature of their work, find it difficult to get a gig? Yes, this would be partially correct. Looping lends itself to experimentation, and thusly experimental music. These events DO give a chance for some artists to perform works which they might not have an opportunity to perform anywhere else. Yet all looping is not “experimental” (or even “electronic”) music. Do these events raise the public awareness of a “new” (and we all know that does not mean brand spankin’ new…) musical technique of composition, improvisation and performance of which they are aurally aware of yet not popularly conscious of? Again, this would also be true. But there is the rub. Although the public has been made aware, both consciously and sub-consciously, and certainly well primed from acceptance of these techniques and technologies, they really don’t care. As a composer and performer, I am keenly aware that MOST of my audience really does not care that piece I wrote may have been constructed of five note cadences, reharmonized in 4 measure patterns with a rhythm structure derived from the intervallic relationships of those cadences..not do they care of the clever, implied tension achieved by use of the Lydian mode..or about my signal chain or MIDI tapped delay times. They only care that sonically, texturally and musically it appeals to them or not, and that as a performance it was presented in a way which was both challenging (though not too challenging) and entertaining. Yes, entertaining. NO, it does not have to be like a rock concert, rave or any other similar event. But I think we do need to look at what is “entertaining” to audiences. Probably the biggest thing is acknowledging that the audience is there. This is the shoe-gazing syndrome, which seems to permeate these events. And though it is a daunting and difficult job to control the level of technology some of us employ in a live rig, the challenge remains to inject some levity, humor, interaction or even dialogue with audience. The act of looping is quite technologically focused. And technology can be both mesmerizing and scary to an audience. It is important to make our “sets” less like clinics and more like performances. I think it the duty and responsibility of the performer to add a human face, so to speak, to the technology involved, and I think Rick gave some nice examples of that in his post. Looping is not the “ultimate one-man-band”. Often times we tend to fill things up simply ‘cos we can, in some sort of weird way of becoming that ultimate one-man-band. I think it important to play to your strengths. In the role of a solo performer, that means BEING a solo performer…granted one with loops, but just because you CAN use midi drum loops, and countless textural loped atmospheres, does not mean you SHOULD. Work with the limitations of being a solo performer, and make the music matter more than the machines. And on that note…learning to be more concise in your musical phrasing, in this case with looping, can add heaps to what the audience perceives as entertaining. Far too often we take far too long to get to the musical Point. One thing I have always admired about Andre LaFosse (and learned from him!) is that even with his deepest, most complex EDP techniques, he gets right to the point musically. He does not just let a loop run because it is running. The loops bend to his will. One thing audiences really do grab onto is the internal dialogue in music. At most LoopFests, the roster is filled with solo performers. I would love to see more interaction ‘tween performers…even groups, duos, trios etc. where the music is NOT just loops, but where the one or two folks doing loops are integral to the piece. One thing I have been working on lately is a trio where I do loops and bass with a live percussionist and vocalist. It has been a rewarding challenge to make what I do with loops fit with other musicians in song-forms. How about some of us “soloists” get together, as Jon W, Bill W and I did at Loopstock…or even start working with someone who is not looping… Many of the “sets” at loopfests are based around improvisations. I am a big fan of improvs..and am one of these culprits at the shows! Yet, to maintain diversity (and, BTW, this was something I really noticed at Y2K3) a balance of improv and composed sets is necessary………..but how about balancing improvs with composed pieces within your individual sets? Finally….the nature of looping festivals necessitates there be no soundchecks. As we all know, the more gear you bring the more can go wrong and the more a check IS necessary. Nothing can lose an audience than a tech check on stage, or those ten endless minutes of setting levels, plugging and re-plugging, and checking boxes and LEDs the audience cannot see. Try limiting yourself gear-wise; use only what is necessary, and try to “pre-wire” as much of your rig as possible. Practice with it..get to know it so any troubleshooting on stage is minimal. I have recently taken to doing gigs with only a DL4, which forces me to make my performances much more musically oriented; the loops being part of the music and the music being part of the loops. I think what we have dubbed “Looping Festivals” are important events. Yet, I think sometimes we mis-read the title. They are not so much festivals of Looping, but rather festivals of music made using live audio loops. There is an important difference. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HL8B13662; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:21:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:21:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c3be78$f61c2b20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:22:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.151.176] at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:06 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <28AgX.A.XVD.ESg1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the performance is interesting - people will pay attention. Sometimes the music may even be interesting. All performers (except mimes, maybe...) are allowed to talk to their audience. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? > I think that the largest thing that hurts us so far as a performance art is > the 'shoe gazer' factor. > > What we are doing is incredibly difficult from a multi-tasking standpoint > and there is a strong tendency > to constantly be looking away from the audience to push buttons and tweak > things. > > Frequently, I'll watch loopers bend over and tweak something and, as an > audience member, I can't even tell > what changed to the sound. > > There is, consequently, a lot of lack of eye contact between a lot of > performers and the audience. Eye contact has > nothing, of course, to do with the way our music sounds, but it does > radically increase the emotional connection factor > of any performance. > > John Whooley's performance at Y2K3 is particularly exemplary in this > respect. John even had a very long chord > and loopers attached to his belt so that he could actually go out into the > audience to engage people. Of course, not everyone > will have the capacity to do this, but the point is, he was very engaging of > the audience and consequently, very fun to watch. > > I have noticed that anyone who does anything visual, from George Demarest > lighting up his hands and his trumpet with leds > to the several people who used airsynths or aireffects or d-beam controllers > to alter their sounds seemed to add to just the purely > visual interest of the show. Oddly enough, I found it more fun to watch > the people who had complex racks with lots of blinking gear > if their gear was visible to the audience (as opposed to facing away from > them). A few people sat sideways which allowed this > view instead of facing the audience straight away. In a static visual > performance, I found it more interesting to actually see what the knobs that > they were twiddling and the lights blinking, commensorately. I don't know > if I'm in the minority on this one or not and would love to hear feedback. > > There were, of course, people like Gary Regina, who just played different > instruments seated in a chair which made for a compelling > performances. He also made a lot of eye contact with the audience and > seemed cognizant of them. > > Let's see, oh yeah...................I found some people who used drum > machines tended to fall into two categories of things that bugged me a bit. > Either the sound was so static that it just felt too canned or people > overprogrammed their drum machines so that they were distracting. > > Simple a solution as it is, I personally tended to like it when people would > use filtering to change the sound of their preprogrammed drums. > Someone and I forget who at Y2K3, ended their performance by suddenly > filtering the sound into telephone EQs as they faded it out. > It really took on a cool dimension and broke the trance of the typical fade > out. > > I also thought that people would make individual pieces go on way too long. > Really getting into a piece that takes time to unfold is a really > valid approach to music, but I think shows would be far more fascinating if > their were more and shorter 'songs' or 'pieces' to beak the performance up. > > I also tended to like it when there were interactions between musicians, > including some people just playing in real time to the loops that were > already going. > > Lately, I"ve become particularly enamored of duets where one person plays > and the other person loops and processes that > performance...............neither person being able to controll what the > other person does so that it becomes a living growing thing. I've end > thought about producing a small festival with that as the common metaphor > and approach. Does this interest anyone else? The Bay Area Voice and > Electronics Thingee that Matt Davignon produced was a wonderful case in > point for this style of improv. I was really fascinated by the improvs > between acapella vocals and looper/processors that I saw there. It was > pretty fun to particpate too. > > alright, that's it for now. > > rick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HX2J15454; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200312091732.hB9HWtXM034823@mail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:32:57 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/8/03 11:53 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > Finally?.the nature of looping festivals necessitates there be no > soundchecks. As we all know, the more gear you bring the more can go wrong > and the more a check IS necessary. At my first festival (Loopstock 2002), I was on early and though my equipment wasn't entirely cooperative (partially just getting it wired, partially the fact that I'd decided to experiment with having EDPs set to different interface modes), I felt that I couldn't let myself succumb to technological problems. I don't know how I would have felt if I'd been on later in the day and seen any number of people fight with and at times succumb to their tech. For at least the first half of the performance, I felt like I was in freefall, but I kept on going and people told me they couldn't tell. The video did reveal an inability to make eye contact with the audience -- something that I've tried to work on at later gigs -- but I think it's a good discipline to simply try to play through as many technical problems as possible. It's a good pre-show discipline to figure out how to strip the equipment down knowing the constraints of the festival environment. (Writing this reminds me that I need to put some emphasis on finding a less noisy replacement for my Passac Unity*8 line mixer -- definitely the weak spot in my rig when my EDPs aren't behaving strangely.) Mark P.S. My one technical problem at Y2K2 was having the tremolo lock slip on my Klein resulting in a frenzy of trying to figure out why the guitar had suddenly drifted out of tune when I'd tuned it up shortly before going on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HatH15940; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200312091736.hB9HagXM062235@mail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:36:47 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If the performance is interesting - people will pay attention. Sometimes > the music may even be interesting. > All performers (except mimes, maybe...) are allowed to talk to their > audience. My other "audience interest" tactic post-Loopstock 2002 has been to make references to Kim Flint every time I pull out my e-Bow. They are inside jokes, but at least it gets me saying something to the audience. That didn't work at Y2K3 since he wasn't in the audience. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HdfU16414; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.12efe81a.2d0762d2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:39:30 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the idea of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to play 40-45 mins.....at y2k3 lots of sets were just takin off and they were over.....perhaps it should be up to the individual, the upper limit might be 40 mins. but if they want to play less so be it.....this might require a reduction in artists but i feel that it removes the pressure of setting up, wipeing the sweat off, hoping your sound is right, performing and then getting the heck off stage.....3 days, some 30 players is a lot to digest.....also some time might be set aside for an open jam, this would allow these mostly solo players a chance to see what it is like to interact musically with other folk in a looping context.....good thread rick!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 13:09:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9I6mt22014; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:06:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Roland EV-5 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Roland EV-5 Thread-Index: AcO9/HsSHaQEgyUhR4yMr1CEBBHSTgAgk3DA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 18:07:58.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[60807060:01C3BE7F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB9I6lW21977 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Roland pedals are a little wierd. I've used them successfully through a Roland MIDI controller and then into the EDP for feedback control but have never tried running one right into the pedal jack. I can tell you, however, that shortly after getting my All Access MIDI foot controller, I tried to use a pair of EV-5s that I had as expression pedals with the All Access and saw some pretty funky behavior. After fighting with it for a bit, I called Rocktron and they said they always had problems using the Roland pedals with there stuff. Something to do with the extra knob that's on them. At any rate, they suggested the simple Ernie Ball mono volume pedals for this and they've worked out nicely. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Roland EV-5 > > Hi, > I've been getting more into adjusting the feedback setting on the > EDP. Normally, I just turn the front panel knob. I have a Roland EV-5, > and I've been experimenting with using it to control the feedback. Here > is the problem, the highest setting that it will go to is 124 not 127. > I know that the EV-5 would work backwards with the EDP. When the pedal > is toe down, feedback will read 0. When the pedal is fully toe up, > feedback will read 124. Is there a problem with the pedal? Do I need > to make an adjustment to the pedal or the EDP? Do I need to just get a > better pedal to use? > > Thanks in advance, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 14:54:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9JmdQ06291; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <191.22e5607e.2d078100@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:48:16 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB9Jmcd06269 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Just a note from one of the shoe-gazeriest shoe-gazers on the planet. It's me. I'm guilty as charged (I suppose). I try . . . really I do . . . but I just don't possess the scintillating personality that some of you do. I can only beg an audience's forgiveness and kind indulgence whenever I perform. It's sad but true. I am not an extrovert by any means and I'm about as likely to start doing Pete Townshend windmills or Van Halen stage- leaps as I would be to sprout wings and fly. Face-paint, black leather and spandex are right out . . . as well as moon-walking, hip-shaking or pelvic thrusting. I look ridiculous enough on stage already and I'm not doing this for laughs. Part of it is personality, part of it is age (and . . . ahem . . . physique). However, I am still quite aware of how an audience has a very legitimate expectation of being entertained -- or at least being given good cause for having spent the money and time to come out on a cold night. I sympathize with them. I really do. And, I don't wanna disappoint 'em. I am not the possessor of such a prodigious instrumental technique that a spotlight on my digits would be much of a diversion for anybody. Nor are my "compositional" chops all that great (be it improvised or written out). Anybody really following what I'm playing (note by note and musical idea by musical idea) with any real knowledge of music theory under their caps would undoubtedly laugh their arses off. My music is not particularly ground-breaking in any aspect either, when it comes right down to it. There is no "grand vision" driving my efforts. I wish there were. If I knew where the heck I was going maybe I'd GET somewhere (heheh). Nor am I working out of a particular retrospective musical "heritage" (other than a general sort of rock-ish one). I am a misfit and a mongrel . . . and not a particularly attractive one. Dang! A lot of my music is downright ugly and most unpleasant (not all but quite a bit). At least that's what my wife and kids always tell me. Well, what in blue blazes am I doing it for? And, why would an audience want to experience me/this in person? That's the perennial question we should all always be asking ourselves. Isn't it? So, in my sympathy/empathy for an audience's hard-earned money and precious time, just what then is it that I have to offer them? There's not much left is there? It would seem so. But, perhaps looks aren't everything. Maybe all I have to offer translates into a lot of misguided, loud and unrelenting noise to some hearers. Some folks I just cannot reach with the equipment God gave me. But I do TRY to reach some of them . . . maybe it's with just a certain kind of "honesty" and "intensity" . . . maybe it's emotional, maybe it's visceral (I dunno). I try to present something authentic, not made up, not pretended. I try to just (and this is going to sound very cliche) "BE in the moment" with as much raw, unvarnished, human vulnerability as I can muster . . . and convey it THROUGH the music as best I can. This can happen even when the "tech gremlins" attack (heheh, speaking of my own set at Y2K3). I had a processor go down inexplicably. I spent a few minutes trying to suss the reason and could not. So, I went ahead and played anyway with a very dirty, distorted, clipped, noisy sound. Oh well. As it turns out I probably performed about as unselfconsciously and "in the moment" as I ever have at one of these things. Who knows if it was "any good" or not? Some people stood and clapped at the end. That's all I ever really hope for. Possibly a good many more ran (or dove) for the doors early on. It was dark, I didn't notice. But, I was satisfied. I felt I had acquitted myself semi-nobly under the circumstances. So, why am I saying all this? To justify myself? To pat myself on the back? To make excuses for not improving myself? In a word, no. I mention the one primary aspect that I focus on in my own performances only to point out what it is I look for in others performances. And, I kinda suspect that this is an aspect that not many others posters will bring up. Heavens! There's tons of ways we all could improve in terms of our "presentation" technically. I will be reading these posts avidly to see what I can pick up and ad (if I am able) from all this good advice. But, the thing that bothers me most about some performances is I don't sense anything from the performer through the music. It sometimes seems empty and mechanical. Hey! We all use machines to make music, so that's not what I'm talking about. It's not a matter of tweaking the "humanize" knob on a drum track. I sense the performer is involved with the "tasks" of making music but not invested in the music itself . . . not enthralled with it. Not overcome by it. It has nothing to do with composition vs. improvisation either. It's sort of an intangible thing and more than likely just an erroneous, overly-romantic notion about art-making that I have from my days as a naive college art student. I just don't "feel" anything from some performers. Sounds silly maybe . . . but it's true. I sense a lack of **PASSION.** To me it was the thing present in the most "successful" sets at any of these festivals (Loopstock, Y2K2, Y2K3 . . . whatever). The particular type of music made may (or may not) have been my personal "cup of tea" . . . but I always respond to someone who seems to be really "connected" to what they are doing and/ or creating. There's a kind of "spiritual" authenticity about it. I know that sounds rather psuedo-religious. I don't mean it to. I just don't have other terms for it. But you can sorta tell when a performer's muse is present -- and their either dancing with it or clobbering it and wrestling it to the floor (like me) or they're just sorta going through the motions. Playing AT music (not WITH it). I don't know what more to say. Some of us need to work on this . . . me sometimes too. But, some need it a little more than others. As for me and all the other advice I'll garner from this thread, I will definitely try simplifying my rack, lose a few more pounds, buy a good book of jokes, change my hair color, invest in a slightly more colorful wardrobe (than my usual black sweatshirt and jeans) and possibly borrow my oldest son's leopard print fez and shades. Waddya think? If I look at the audience, smile more and drool on myself (and my guitar) less will that help? I am very thankful for folks who put these sorts of fests on BTW. I benefit a lot from the camaraderie. I also thank Rick for starting this thread. Hope I didn't step on too many toes. Oh , , , and it was me with the telephone EQ fadeout (2 points). Heheh. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 15:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9KgTp16890; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:42:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 20:42:23.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2B21460:01C3BE94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great thread Rick! A few of you already know me, but for those who don't, I've been putting a lot of work over the last few years towards organizing festivals and unusual music events in the San Francisco Bay Area. First of all, I should preface this all with a huge "In my humble opinion" and acknowledge that my range of experience applies primarily to improvised music of an experimental nature. Give the audience a reason to be interested. This is the #1 reason I do events with themes. If people don't know who the musicians are when reading an ad, maybe you can draw them in by giving them a good idea of what the musicians will be doing. Musicians should know when to stop! I've witnessed countless events where the musicians "run out of juice", but continue to play for an extra 10, 15 or 30 minutes. In a recent show, audience members really liked the guy at the beginning of the set, but by the end decided that they'd never go to a show by that guy again. If the guy quit when he was ahead, he'd have gained about 5 or 6 new fans. (This isn't an individual that's on this list, and wasn't someone at the V&E thingy.) >What are your pet peeves about looping shows? I have three, and they might get me into some hot water 1) Musicians who sound almost exactly like, imitate, or "play in the style of" other, more famous musicians. I've had trouble selling shows as "looping" events in San Francisco, since many of the people who see the word looping think it's going to be a show of "Frippertronics". 2) The unspoken assumption that a musician is his gear. Actually, there are a few mini-issues that coalesce into this one. My favorite musicians are the ones who can turn out an amazing set, even if you take away their favorite piece of equipment. A lot of my shows play to this idea, since I find it exciting to see a person's sense of musical intuition presented in a different light. A lot of looping/electric/electronic musicians depend on one or more specific pieces of equipment for "their sound", which is the phenomenon that leads to Guitar Center selling tons upon tons of guitar distortion pedals and very few things that encourage people to find new and unconventional ways to use them. 3) The mention of looping as a "some new thing that people need to learn about". Looping's been around since the 40's, has been in popular music since the 60's, and had its contemporary heyday in the 80's. Given, there are uses, possibilities and contexts now that didn't exist then, but there are very few Americans these days who haven't heard "looped music" already. >What do you wish you could see people do that you think they have the >capability to do (but aren't doing so far). Well, a lot of people are doing it already, ... Individualize! Show us what makes you a unique musician! Each person has a completely different set of musical experiences and intuitions, and I don't really hear that in a lot of music these days. Focus on the ideas that are your ideas, not stuff that someone else came up with. Stop worrying about what your music "should be" and start focusing and understanding what it is. Another one is to acknowledge that a set of live music is not your studio-created cd, and shouldn't be. Most folks I know find pre-recorded backup tracks (like drum machine programs, cd's of instrumental background, or "ambient beds" already programmed into a rack unit) to be a bit of a turnoff. They tend to distract from what you're doing in the live environment, instead of supporting it. >6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival >more interesting to watch I think you pulled it off last time Rick, a really great, diverse lineup. Continuing in that direction would be my best advice. More people who are pushing in different directions and expanding the boundaries of what "looping" is. Next year it might be nice to throw some laptop performers into the mix as well. >Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete >and utter bullshit? No, looping festivals are fun and encouraging. Personally, I'd like to see more looping musicians cross-pollenating with the other musical communities. >Michael K done wrote: >the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the >idea >of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to >play >40-45 mins I'd have to disagree. If you give people the option to play 45 minutes, every single one will take it. That'll result in less diversity at these events. Perhaps it would be nice for the people coming a long way, but it'd be better to give those guys a featured show on a different night. _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 16:29:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9LPRJ26740; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:25:12 +0100 Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <191.22e5607e.2d078100@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-09 20.48, "ArsOcarina@aol.com" wrote: > Hello all, > > Just a note from one of the shoe-gazeriest shoe-gazers on > the planet. It's me.////// Salve Everyboudy, I just want to say that I really appreciated Ted's post. Every word of it felt exactly right with me. I think music is all about communication and because of that it could be a mistake to hang on to "performing tricks" instead of hooking up with the essence of you own personality to coax that music out. I never liked the term "shoe-gazing" since I have happened to hear some "shoe-gazers" that make outstanding music. But if the music sucks, a shoe-gazer is of course twice as boring. A very good Swedish guitar player dropped a clever line about playing true music. He said "playing is like talking - don't overdo it, 'cause you don't want to talk bullshit. Think about what you want to say, then say it and shut up". I liked that! BTW you can check out his music at http://www.kennyhakansson.se/ if you like :-) And I like long pieces too! Matthias Grob played a 12 minute solo piece here in Sweden back in June and it was fantastic! It's called Physio and posted at http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/LiveLooping/index-3.html for you that want to check it out. Later on at an outdoor festival in August I played a duo set with Per2Per that clocked in for 59 minutes. From time to time I did feel a bit alienated on stage but when listening back to the recording, and hearing it as the audience heard it, I simply love it!!! When at stage I had no idea about the strong vibe created by that music. I'm happy we kept it flowing for all that time! -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 17:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9M6ZD01666; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:06:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <005d01c3bea0$2c502300$336afe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: WTB: Echoplex foot controller Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, does anyone on this list have the EFC-7 foot controller for the EDP for = sale? Please contact me off-list, I=B4m located in Germany. Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
does anyone on this list have the EFC-7 = foot=20 controller for the EDP for sale? Please contact me off-list, I=B4m = located in=20 Germany. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 17:12:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9M53701477; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c3bea0$78723020$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:04:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 having probs finding what I need in the archives, but Im sure it must be = there.. heres the Q. I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 pedal to control it. TOday my shiny = new EDP turned up and I really need to get them buttons under foot = control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual is a little all = over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control the = Repeater... is this a prob??? Ive selected NOTE in control/source, Ive left the default Source# as 36 = (why would I change it???) and gone in to the FCB1010 and made a note = preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but (of course = ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to change = the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on = a specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal is = set to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater). Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it was synching to my drum-machine = no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do anything on it tho... even if I = ignore the repeater prob... Now IM SURE that many of you have exactly this config, One looper not = being enough as everyone knows, so do you all really use a different = foot controller for each looper??? Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT about the EDP without foot control, = If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 control I would do it, cos I = still have one of those little digitech puppies that actually worked = fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!! exasperated Englishman in Norway Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
having probs finding what I need in the = archives,=20 but Im sure it must be there.. heres the Q.
 
I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 = pedal to=20 control it. TOday my shiny new EDP turned up and I really need to get = them=20 buttons under foot control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual = is a=20 little all over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control = the=20 Repeater... is this a prob???
 
Ive selected NOTE in control/source, = Ive left the=20 default Source# as 36 (why would I change it???) and gone in to the = FCB1010 and=20 made a note preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but = (of=20 course ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to = change=20 the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on = a=20 specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal = is set=20 to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater).
 
Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it = was=20 synching to my drum-machine no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do = anything on it=20 tho... even if I ignore the repeater prob...
 
Now IM SURE that many of you have = exactly this=20 config, One looper not being enough as everyone knows, so do you all = really use=20 a different foot controller for each looper???
 
Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT = about the EDP=20 without foot control, If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 = control I=20 would do it, cos I still have one of those little digitech puppies that = actually=20 worked fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!!

exasperated = Englishman in=20 Norway
 
Mark.
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 17:46:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9MeTF05694; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:40:16 +0100 Subject: Re: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ca01c3bea0$78723020$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Marc, I'm using one FCB1010 to control my EDP, my Repeater and my Akai MFC42 filter bank. These three devices are of course set to three different midi channels and I have configures the FCB to send the appropriate midi data over those three midi channels. I think there is no problem with controlling many devices from one FCB1010 as long as you can step between different FCB banks. You have to put some planning into how you're going to lay out the banks on your FCB, it depends on what you want to do with the loopers. I have been trying out many concepts but the one I'm staying with now is three main FCB banks. One for EDP only, one for "EDP most used features" together with filter bank commands and finally a third bank for the Repeater (record, overdub, undo, multiply, reverse and then four buttons to record enable each of the for tracks. Earlier on I was using two banks for the Repeater because I wanted to be able to record many loops into the Repeater and easily step through them. But I took this away and decided to only work with one Repeater loop by overdubbing stuff into the four tracks. That way I can stay in Repeater RAM all the time and never have to worry about those horrible "CFC card to slow" or "tempo to fast" messages. When programming your FCB, please remember the useful possibility to assign two midi commands to one foot pad. First I was using one pad to change EDP speed between HalfSpeed and FullSpeed but now I have found a good reason to use two pads instead and keep a program change command as well on each pad. So pad one gives me HalfSpeed and program 3 (set to 16 8th/cycle) while pad two gives me FullSpeed and program 2 (set to 8 8th/cycle). This means that any midi clock gear synced to the EDP will not go down to half tempo or up to double tempo when I'm doing tempo jump recordings into the EDP. On the combo bank EDP/filter I have only the one speed button to toggle between the two speeds without changing EDP bank. So then I'm not locked into using only two EDP banks all the time. Well.... Just a couple of hints. Hope it makes some sense... didn't mean to post that much really ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com On 03-12-09 23.04, "mark francombe" wrote: > Hi, > having probs finding what I need in the archives, but Im sure it must be > there.. heres the Q. > > I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 pedal to control it. TOday my shiny new > EDP turned up and I really need to get them buttons under foot control and > fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual is a little all over the place. AND > I still want to use the FCB to control the Repeater... is this a prob??? > > Ive selected NOTE in control/source, Ive left the default Source# as 36 (why > would I change it???) and gone in to the FCB1010 and made a note preset on 2 > (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but (of course ) the repeater > changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to change the pitch... I cant > seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on a specifc pedal,(well > actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal is set to channel 1.(Which I > am using for repeater). > > Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it was synching to my drum-machine no > prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do anything on it tho... even if I ignore the > repeater prob... > > Now IM SURE that many of you have exactly this config, One looper not being > enough as everyone knows, so do you all really use a different foot controller > for each looper??? > > Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT about the EDP without foot control, If I > have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 control I would do it, cos I still have > one of those little digitech puppies that actually worked fine... BUT REALLY I > WANT BOTH!!! > > exasperated Englishman in Norway > > Mark. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 21:15:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA2B1W04783; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c3bec0$f5e48ba0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <00ca01c3bea0$78723020$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:57:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Check out Per's post on some good ideas, once you get the basic = interface working. First, the bad news: the FCB1010 can ony send it's Note On/Off messages = on a single MIDI channel. The MIDI channel for the Notes is global. This is bad for you (and me, for different reasons: I have 2 EDPs) = because: - the FCB doesn't treat CC commands as "momentary" switches, like it = does Notes. I.E. it doesn't send "on" CC values when pressed and "off" = CC values when released - therefore, you have to use Notes to control the EDP, transmitted over = one global MIDI channel - therefore, you can't easily use Notes to control anything on any other = devices So, once you get this going, you're going to need to think about how to = get Notes to your Repeater for pitch changes, while also using Notes on = the EDP, and not having them interfere with each other. =20 But first, I suggest not trying to plan out banks and MIDI routing for = now, turn off your Repeater, and just get the FCB talking to the EDP. = Then you can get a feel for what you like, and how to program the FCB. To that end, if you leave Source # at 36, then Record starts at Note 38, = and things go up from there. The values are in you EDP manual. There = are newer and more powerful capabilities in the Loop IV upgrade, if you = have it. The values for those are in the upgrade manual. Sounds like = you don't need any help programming the FCB for Notes. Hell, that's the = hard part! Some things to consider: - make sure your EDP is on the same channel that your FCB is using for = Notes (sounds like channel 1 in your case) - to get things started, I suggest going straight from your FCB MIDI Out = into your EDP MIDI In. That will help eliminate MIDI routing/filtering = problems that might be happening. I have no idea how well behaved the = Repeater is when passing MIDI data through to other devices. Some things to consider when you get it going: - check out the FCB1010 Yahoo group - find out which EPROM version you have, and upgrade to the latest = version if needed - try out the FCB1010 patch editor available at the Yahoo group I'm out of time. Hope that's of some help. Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Hi,=20 having probs finding what I need in the archives, but Im sure it must = be there.. heres the Q. I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 pedal to control it. TOday my = shiny new EDP turned up and I really need to get them buttons under foot = control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual is a little all = over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control the = Repeater... is this a prob??? Ive selected NOTE in control/source, Ive left the default Source# as = 36 (why would I change it???) and gone in to the FCB1010 and made a note = preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but (of course = ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to change = the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on = a specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal is = set to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater). Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it was synching to my = drum-machine no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do anything on it tho... = even if I ignore the repeater prob... Now IM SURE that many of you have exactly this config, One looper not = being enough as everyone knows, so do you all really use a different = foot controller for each looper??? Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT about the EDP without foot control, = If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 control I would do it, cos I = still have one of those little digitech puppies that actually worked = fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!! exasperated Englishman in Norway Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
Check out Per's post on some good = ideas, once you=20 get the basic interface working.
 
First, the bad news:  the FCB1010 = can ony send=20 it's Note On/Off messages on a single MIDI channel.  The MIDI = channel for=20 the Notes is global.
 
This is bad for you (and me, for = different reasons:=20 I have 2 EDPs) because:
- the FCB doesn't treat CC = commands as=20 "momentary" switches, like it does Notes.  I.E. it doesn't = send "on"=20 CC values when pressed and "off" CC values when released
- therefore, you have to use Notes to = control the=20 EDP, transmitted over one global MIDI channel
- therefore, you can't easily use Notes = to control=20 anything on any other devices
 
So, once you get this going, you're = going to need=20 to think about how to get Notes to your Repeater for pitch changes, = while also=20 using Notes on the EDP, and not having them interfere with each = other. =20
 
But first, I suggest not trying to plan = out banks=20 and MIDI routing for now, turn off your Repeater, and just get the FCB = talking=20 to the EDP.  Then you can get a feel for what you like, and how to = program=20 the FCB.
 
To that end, if you leave Source # at = 36, then=20 Record starts at Note 38, and things go up from there.  The values = are in=20 you EDP manual. There are newer and more powerful capabilities in = the Loop=20 IV upgrade, if you have it.  The values for those are in the = upgrade=20 manual.  Sounds like you don't need any help programming the FCB = for=20 Notes.  Hell, that's the hard part!
 
Some things to consider:
- make sure your EDP is on the same = channel that=20 your FCB is using for Notes (sounds like channel 1 in your = case)
- to get things started, I suggest = going straight=20 from your FCB MIDI Out into your EDP MIDI In. That will help = eliminate MIDI=20 routing/filtering problems that might be happening.  I have no idea = how=20 well behaved the Repeater is when passing MIDI data through to other=20 devices.
 
Some things to consider when you get it = going:
- check out the FCB1010 Yahoo = group
- find out which EPROM version you = have, and=20 upgrade to the latest version if needed
- try out the FCB1010 patch editor = available at the=20 Yahoo group
 
I'm out of time.  Hope that's of = some=20 help.
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark = francombe=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, = 2003 4:04=20 PM
Subject: boring old qustion = about foot=20 controlling the echoplex

Hi,
having probs finding what I need in = the archives,=20 but Im sure it must be there.. heres the Q.
 
I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 = pedal to=20 control it. TOday my shiny new EDP turned up and I really need to get = them=20 buttons under foot control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The = manual is a=20 little all over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control = the=20 Repeater... is this a prob???
 
Ive selected NOTE in control/source, = Ive left the=20 default Source# as 36 (why would I change it???) and gone in to the = FCB1010=20 and made a note preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the = EDP but=20 (of course ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE = info to=20 change the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi = channel=20 on a specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the = whole pedal=20 is set to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater).
 
Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos = it was=20 synching to my drum-machine no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do = anything on=20 it tho... even if I ignore the repeater prob...
 
Now IM SURE that many of you have = exactly this=20 config, One looper not being enough as everyone knows, so do you all = really=20 use a different foot controller for each looper???
 
Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT = about the EDP=20 without foot control, If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 = control I=20 would do it, cos I still have one of those little digitech puppies = that=20 actually worked fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!!

exasperated=20 Englishman in Norway
 
Mark.
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 22:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA3p5b19384; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:50:52 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <2_FqNC.A.suE.pgp1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/03 2:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > If I look at the audience, smile more and drool on > myself (and my guitar) less will that help? > in a nut shell.....ted cuts to the quick!.....beautiful.....michael --part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/9/0= 3 2:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


If I look at the audience, smil= e more and drool on
myself (and my guitar) less will that help?


in a nut shell.....ted cuts to the quick!.....beautiful.....michael --part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 23:08:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA45Mv23135; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:05:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:05:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.41415771.2d07f57a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:05:14 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/03 3:45:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > If you give people the option to play 45 minutes, > every single one will take it. That'll result in less diversity at these > events. matt.....i have to think more about this.....you may be right, then again!.....but you are one of my looping heros so i may defer to you.....:).....michael p.s. therein lies the beauty of these loop fests.....to have met and spent time with matt-ted-rick-kim-stan-gary-jon-young bill-etc. that's the treat, what's better than that?.....i'll fly to the moon with the bush to meet and play with my fellow loopers! --part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/9/0= 3 3:45:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


If you give people the option t= o play 45 minutes,
every single one will take it. That'll result in less diversity at these events.


matt.....i have to think more about this.....you may be right, then again!..= ...but you are one of my looping heros so i may defer to you.....:).....mich= ael
p.s. therein lies the beauty of these loop fests.....to have met and spent t= ime with matt-ted-rick-kim-stan-gary-jon-young bill-etc. that's the treat, w= hat's better than that?.....i'll fly to the moon with the bush to meet and p= lay with my fellow loopers! --part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 23:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA4Gwt25102; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:16:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:16:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:16:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What we are doing is incredibly difficult from a multi-tasking standpoint >and there is a strong tendency >to constantly be looking away from the audience to push buttons and tweak >things. the story of my life! >Lately, I"ve become particularly enamored of duets where one person plays >and the other person loops and processes that >performance...............neither person being able to controll what the >other person does so that it becomes a living growing thing. plus, one person can take the front for a while and the other one can push the darn buttons. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 23:28:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA4N5326006; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c3bed5$4b9281b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312100215.hBA2FV405251@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER: redux Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:22:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suppose because I posted first that it is natural that people should respond to things I said but I really wanted to let everyone know that I honestly started this thread without a personal agenda (nor was I trying to secretly influence any individuals' future performances). Like everyone, I have my own takes on things that work or don't work (for me personally, only) but I'm truly interested in ideas and philosophies that are different than mine. I'm really interested, basically, in what people like and don't like about these shows and I'm interested in discovering if there is any kind of loose consensus about where to take them in the future. I haven't always agreed, personally, but I've really enjoyed reading Andre and Per and Matt and Max and Ted and Mark's and everyone else's individual take on the questions that I proposed. Stan Card truly does not believe in recording anything. He informed me of this when I went into my obnoxious cheerleader mode and exhorted him to record a CD of his surf and surf influence music to have for sale for next year's big show. That puts Stan on the exact opposie end of the spectrum from me who is a recording fanatic. I just love that our community can incorporate two people with such divergent approaches and goals for their music. I agree with Matt that this year's festival was really diverse and fascinating and it is why I'm proud to be in this so called 'movement'. **************************************** Whether you favor longer or shorter sets,short songs or long song, drum machines or no drum machines, cheap theatrics of relatively static visual performances the theme I keep seeing mentioned in this thread so far is the 'authenticity' theme. I couldn't concur more. I can watch a shoegazer play a 25 minute piece (apologies to Per.........lol) if that person is really deeply into what they are doing, so, yes, Ted, there can be a spiritual aspect to a successful performance and frequently, for me, those are the one's that I connect with the most. I celebrate diversity and have always tried to be as inclusive as possible with the events that I've produce. I just want to go on record again and reiterate that. thanks for all the replys, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 06:43:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBABgc923271; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <106.2a10c003.2d086098@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:42:16 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 2) What would make our performances more fun or interesting to watch or > listen to. audience contact (as discussed already) visuals, ...a light show even. less laptop-gazing ;-) > > 3) What are your pet peeves about looping shows? canned loops (and drum machines) > > 6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival > more interesting to watch some looping pieces work as a demonstration of looping, in that it's more obvious what's going on, (e.g. it's clear the piece is built up from from live played material) Personally I'd play that piece first, to help the audience "get-it". > > 7) Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete > and utter bullshit? all promotion is bullshit, (isn't it?) > 8) Are you happy that there are starting to be more and more of such > festivals yes andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 07:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAC2UO27714; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:02:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:02:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.98.170.225] X-Originating-Email: [vibraphonic_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: vibraphonic_@hotmail.com From: "s. morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? 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 >>>>If the performance is interesting - people will pay attention. Sometimes > > the music may even be interesting. > > All performers (except mimes, maybe...) are allowed to talk to their > > audience. >

i have to agree with this statement completely. if you are playing engaging music... people will listen.   there will always be that percentage of people in the audience that want to see something physically happening on stage in addition to the music. i suppose people are just visually overstimulated by tv and movies and expect it everywherein their entertainment.       My approach to this is to just be myself and play my ass off, as i expect most everyone in this group does when they