From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 04:06:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB193s520462; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Muting looper feature wish--and a request Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:03:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara and Matthias try to help-- > If I'm understanding you correctly, all you have to do is to use the sub >function of insert. no, he wants to resize the loop (multiply) at the same time ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Yes sir, you are correct-- I have spent no time looping recently--I will keep trying to find a reliable way to do this--I didn't spend enough time to find the right combination of MIDI commands, but this feature will be very useful when I get it right. Thanks to all, and hope your weekend was good! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 08:25:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1DKqH32089; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533CF1@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533CF1@LON-MAIL07> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:22:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Rack Bags... the soft revolution! Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: Rack Bags... the soft revolution!
there is a big business to be done with soft Racks:

the success of the spine animals over the big insects in the evolution comes from the physical fact that sturdyness creates big shock forces.
the outer shell works for small objects, not for heavy ones.
the car industry also understood that and creates a strong internal structure and front ends that "give in" to reduce the power of the shock and protect the people inside.

for the rack this means:
the harder you make the corners, the harder the shock for the equipment inside.
a second shell with spring dampening is a solution, but very expensive and too heavy: the heavier the rack the bigger the shock forces.

so the solution is a leight weight rack with an outer soft shell. Basically 10cm of foam arround a aluminum frame and specially designed big rubber corners. the shock energy will be returned, so the rack jumps arround when its thrown, instead of transmitting the force to its inside.

besides, this design does not say "throw me" - at least not when the supervisor is arround :-)

... and if well done, its cover serves as a seat for the musician :-)
... and most probably it will look nicer on stage

how did Che say? "you need to harden without loosing tenderness" or so...


I was amazed when I realized that when you declare some luggage as fragile, you have to sign to take all responsability for eventual damage on you!

the same proel rack-bag came with a less-than-substantial shoulder strap. take that off and throw it away immediately, unless it's better than what I had. and the bag offers no shock protection- most solid state gear would be ok, but I lost a syquest drive in a sampler when this bag slipped from the rear seat of a cab to the floor of same. a more expensive padded version might have helped here, but it costs you space, obviously.
and a 3 or 4 unit rack-bag, provided it's not too deep, should be alright for carry-on, but consider something more robust for the remainder of your gear and let it go in the hold, keeping just the fragile stuff with you.
airlines regard tough-looking cases as some sort of challenge or insult, and "fragile" seems to be airline-ese for "throw me". the so-called flight-case that the aforementioned ricky was in, sustained major damage on it's first transatlantic trip, and on the corner where the guitar is nearest the outside world. I was lucky not to lose a lump out of the wood. conversely, the old fender case my newly-acquired VI came back to blighty in was totally unscathed.

-- 


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 12:23:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1HKGL19339; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:20:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031201172014.42281.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: OT: the ultimate tremolo pedal??? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7NBU0B.A.AuE.Qh3y_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, sorry for this not quite on topic post, but this is the most knowedgeable group of music folk i know. for my looping, i use a lot of really hard tremolos. but i still haven't found the tremolo i'm looking for. here's the specs i'm searching for: there has to have a pedal or expression pedal input for rate. an input for depth or waveform would be cool, but not neccessary. but rate is essential. a wide variety of waveforms is also essential. I have the Elextrix MO-FX, which is really cool cuz it has sine, triangle, and square waves, as well as a pulse-type wave. but no pedal input for rate. and MIDI controller pedals scare me. i wish there were an LFO/Amplifier pedal in the Moogerfooger series by Moog, that had multiple waveforms. that would be perfect. other options: the Mod Pro, or the MM3 pedal from Line 6. Although the expression pedal inputs on there are kinda weird. Or, the discontinued Dunlop TVP-1, but would that pedal hold up to abuse? Thanks for any help! peace, dylan the tremolo geek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 15:18:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1KENC32077; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:14:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:14:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Gate checking--it works! Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:53:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <5KvBiD.A.F1H.eE6y_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- I just returned from a three day gig in Reno, Nevada, and was able to carry on my acoustic 6 string on all four flights (San Diego--Oakland, OAK--Reno, Reno--Las Vegas, LV--SAN) with no problems. Seems the 7 series (707 etc) planes all have compartments long enough for a guitar--no one blinked, I was even encouraged by one flight attendant when I looked skeptical, as I had been practicing and didn't get in line right away on the last flight (Thanksgiving weekend, and a lot of college kids). Getting a chance to woodshed in the terminal is a great added benefit! While on my trip I read the latest Tape Op and lo and behold, list member Andre LaFosse's latest, Normalized, was given high marks. Good on ya, Andre! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 17:28:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1MMrW24967; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c3b861$5fa80050$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: MOTU 828mkII Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:17:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got one of these. I read the manual and don't recall seeing anything about being able to recall presets via MIDI. You can store and recall mix presets via the front panel (as a standalone unit), or via the software mixer controls on your computer (when the 828mkII is connected via Firewire). I'm not sure about the architecture of the 828mkII, but this kind of functionality may be possible in a software/firmware upgrade someday, if enough people request it. It sounds useful to be able to recall mixes in that way, so I will put in a request to MOTU when I register the unit. It's a great little box that I would recommend highly. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: MOTU 828mkII > > Is it possible to recall mixer presets (snapshot) via MIDI on the MOTU > 828mkII? My local dealer said no, but I trust the list more ;-) > I am looking for a mixer that allows recalling presets via MIDI like the SPM > 8:2. > > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:06:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1N33b00408; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:08:17 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Subscape Annex 2 December 2003, PS211, Winston-Salem NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ambient/industrial looping soundscape show Tuesday (tomorrow) night in North Carolina. If anyone is in the area and shows up, please introduce yourself: I'll be the Chapman Stick/theremin (might leave theremin at home) player dancing on pedals (Headrush, RC-20 LoopStation, Z-Vex Loop Junky+plus moogerfoogers and more Z-Vexes). Thanks for your attention. (Details and links below) --------- Subscape Annex will be playing at PS211 in Winston-Salem this Tuesday evening with Winston-Salem's Pushpull Men and the Prids from Portland, Oregon. $6 cover, music starts promptly at 9pm. Directions: http://ps211.org/testsite/directions.php The Prids: http://www.theprids.com/ best, Steve, Anthony, and Rob Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB1NZ1K07811; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c2e36f$a150d760$ea55fea9@libellule> Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emmanuel_P=E9rille?= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emmanuel_P=E9rille?= To: References: Subject: New looper DJRND3AD Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:33:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD List, My new hardware upgrade DJRND3AD is now presented on my site http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 19:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB203Ku13876; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:03:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:03:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP Feedback Ctrl Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:04:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031130104434.02537968@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim and Glenn! I've tried ReplaceMode and it will be my new standard setting for now. Additionally, the ReplaceMode allows me to fade out momentarily the existing loop (while overdubbing) in order to replace that section with new material. An alternative for Undo. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 30. November 2003 19:49 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP Feedback Ctrl > > > Also in LoopIV there is the InterfaceMode called ReplaceMode. The pedal > controls both feedback and loop output volume simultaneously. The > result is > you hear the level reduction for feedback immediately instead of on the > next loop pass. try it. > kim > > At 07:01 AM 11/30/2003, Glenn Poorman wrote: > > Second, are you > >using Loop IV? In Loop IV, a display was added that appears > >when you begin adjusting the feedback either with the knob or > >with a pedal. The visual feedback helped a lot and giving me > >a ton more control of the feedback level via a pedal. > > > > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > > > I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP: > > > When I have established a loop that I want to continuously > play but reduce > > > its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to > control the > > pedal > > > precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what > amount I have > > > actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal > very precisely > > > at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 19:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB20Ffv16410; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP Feedback Ctrl Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:17:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6AE949F0-2368-11D8-966C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Travis. Will check that pedal... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 30. November 2003 20:07 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP Feedback Ctrl > > > Visual Sound used to make a volume pedal that had LEDs on the side that > gave a visual reference point for the volume setting. It's out of > production now, but they pop up on eBay fairly regularly for $100-150. > It's also a great volume pedal. > > TravisH > > > On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:43 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Subject: EDP Feedback Ctrl > > > > > > Hi > > > > I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP: > > When I have established a loop that I want to continuously play but > > reduce > > its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to control the > > pedal > > precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what amount I > > have > > actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal very > > precisely > > at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps. > > I have uploaded a 13 second/200KB mp3-snippet to demonstrate the > > effect: > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/lp1.mp3 > > Shortly after 05:00 seconds you will hear a sudden rise in volume. > > > > Thank you > > Bernhard > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 20:08:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB210q623506; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: Andre in TapeOp... (Gate checking--it works!) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] > While on my trip I read the latest Tape Op and lo and behold, list member > Andre LaFosse's latest, Normalized, was given high marks. Good on ya, > Andre! > Gary Was this the issue with Daniel Lanois as the cover story (issue #37)? Or am I getting #38 late again. :-) At any rate, Andre deserves recognition (and I live for tapeop). Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 20:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB21Gah26589; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:16:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:17:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Andre in TapeOp... (Gate checking--it works!) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >> While on my trip I read the latest Tape Op and lo and behold, list member >> Andre LaFosse's latest, Normalized, was given high marks. Good on ya, >> Andre! >> Gary > > Was this the issue with Daniel Lanois as the cover story (issue #37)? Or am > I getting #38 late again. :-) At any rate, Andre deserves recognition (and > I live for tapeop). > > Jim > no-yer gettin #38 late as usual... great review as reported... 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------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C3B853.133F0780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 22:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB233mf11578; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202030341.72266.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: the ultimate tremolo pedal??? To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20031201172014.42281.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4vHaM.A.z0C.TEAz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you looked at the 4ms Tremulus Lune? http://4mspedals.com/customize.html John --- dylan wrote: > hi all, > > sorry for this not quite on topic post, but this is > the > most knowedgeable group of music folk i know. for my > looping, i use a lot of really hard tremolos. but i > still > haven't found the tremolo i'm looking for. > > here's the specs i'm searching for: > there has to have a pedal or expression pedal input > for > rate. an input for depth or waveform would be cool, > but not > neccessary. but rate is essential. a wide variety of > waveforms is also essential. I have the Elextrix > MO-FX, > which is really cool cuz it has sine, triangle, and > square > waves, as well as a pulse-type wave. but no pedal > input for > rate. and MIDI controller pedals scare me. > > i wish there were an LFO/Amplifier pedal in the > Moogerfooger series by Moog, that had multiple > waveforms. > that would be perfect. other options: the Mod Pro, > or the > MM3 pedal from Line 6. Although the expression pedal > inputs > on there are kinda weird. Or, the discontinued > Dunlop > TVP-1, but would that pedal hold up to abuse? > > Thanks for any help! > peace, > > dylan the tremolo geek > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 22:53:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB23oGM22848; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:50:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: EDP - newbie problem - feedback @ 100%, but loop fades away ... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:50:29 -0600 Message-ID: <04ab01c3b887$6de00700$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b2cd$742e7f70$0100a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy sent me some crystals when i had this problem (thanks again) and it helped, but the problem didn't really go away until i installed loop v4. i hadn't tried the codec chip. maybe if it happens again i will... i'm curious, though, why would hitting undo help? > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > > That sounds like a crystal tolerance problem. Send me your > address and I'll send a couple. They are a bit tricky to > replace, but the problem can often be cured by changing the > audio Coded chip, (large 68-pin affair on the left of the > PCB) as some seem to accept a wider tolerance on the > crystals. I'll send a couple of these as well so you can try > that first. You will need a PLCC removal tool or you may > damage the chips but they only take seconds to swap out. > Regards, Andy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: steve jones [mailto:stevejones@hotpop.com] > > Hi All, > I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller. > I have noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and > leave the feedback at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems > to keep going indefinately, but if I do some overdubs the > whole thing starts to fade out very slowly (over 10 mins or > so). I'm not leaving the overdub on all this time, just > record a loop, overdub a couple of times the leave it running > and the volume slowly drops. One time , when the sound was > almost gone I repeatedly pressed undo 40 or 50 or more times > and the level came back up. The overdub light is not lit on > (orange) while this happens - any ideas? > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 01:54:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB26qiB21368; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: Hi and tempo tracking for sync Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6pDOQD.A.tNF.8aDz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I came across Loopers Delight indirectly today after someone suggested I check out what Keller Williams is up to in VA. Anyone heard of him? They say he puts on impressive live solo shows with his guitar and a Lexicon MPX unit with JamMan looping. I've just barely got into looping myself, after I played around recently with Ableton Live to see how it would work with some software my little startup company has put together. I was checking through the Loopers Delight archives and saw the discussion last June on the difficulties getting some drummers to follow the loop tempo, and associated tempo sync problems. Let me put in a plug for the software I've programmed (my partner Ed invented it): InTime. It does live tempo-tracking/beat-detection of any performance. It acts as a flexible sync master (midi clocks) for any capable hardware or software. It can handle polyrhythms and syncopations with ease and doesn't even need a downbeat. It can handle large sweeping tempo changes or be set just to follow changes within a small range of tempos, or just the feel of a player. Currently it works just on midi instruments, but we're developing an audio version that will work on melodic and harmonic instruments, and not just highly percussive, rhythmic instruments. One of our early users put a couple midi triggers on his acoustic drumkit and uses them to trigger InTime, since InTime only needs timing information. There's more info at our site: www.circular-logic.com. Regarding the thread about drummers and sync'ing to loops, InTime could help by allowing the drummer to be more naturally flexible. It also allows the whole performance to take on more natural tempo changes and nuances. The drummer (and other bandmembers) would still have to listen to whatever's controlled by InTime, but it's like listening to another musician instead of a rigid click-track. My background is as a guitarist and percussionist. I've got a Roland G2 guitar pickup and I send the midi info to InTime, which then controls the sync for Ableton Live. I play the guitar through an amp to get a traditional electric guitar sound instead of the midi guitar synth sounds - old dogs and new tricks, you know! So far I've mostly put traditional rhtyhm loops in Ableton and messed around with playing along with them to control the tempo and feel of the loops. Ableton's nice because it time-stretches in realtime (or does it tempo-adjust slices?). Any software or hardware that timestretches or handles tempo changes of sliced loops would work nicely. I think I'm getting the bug, though, and would like to hook up Ableton to be able to switch loops via my midi footswitch unit. I hope it's not inappropriate to plug my software here. It seems like it might be a good fit for some of you, and we're trying to get ourselves off of the starting block. Cheers, Michael Stauffer michael@circular-logic.com www.circular-logic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 03:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB280lI30543; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 03:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 03:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:00:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcO4ql3eY7YSYZ2nQ0G26OKzZ0VwBw== Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <7sqdQD.A.JdH.vaEz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everbody-- I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last post mentioned him using the Lexicon MPX G2 as his looper--so I checked online--He seems to use the original Jamman (two of them?) for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I also checked out the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI looper--I don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of the Kahler Human Clock? Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 09:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2ER2i14690; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:27:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:27:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCCA12D.1010901@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:26:53 -0500 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers delight Subject: no silence X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040209000008040904090006" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040209000008040904090006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting quote from John Cage on silence, from his piece Indeterminacy (1965). "It was after I got to Boston that I went into the anechoic chamber at Harvard University. Anybody who knows me knows this story. I am constantly telling it. Anyway, in that silent room, I heard two sounds, one high and one low. Afterward I asked the engineer in charge why, if the room was so silent, I had heard two sounds. He said, "Describe them." I did. He said, "The high one was your nervous system in operation. The low one was your blood in circulation." There you have it. Silence? there ain't none! gfd ** --------------040209000008040904090006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting quote from John Cage on silence, from his piece Indeterminacy (1965).

"It was after I got to Boston that I went into the anechoic chamber at Harvard University. Anybody who knows me knows this story. I am constantly telling it. Anyway, in that silent room, I heard two sounds, one high and one low. Afterward I asked the engineer in charge why, if the room was so silent, I had heard two sounds. He said, "Describe them." I did. He said, "The high one was your nervous system in operation. The low one was your blood in circulation."

There you have it.  Silence?  there ain't none!

gfd


--------------040209000008040904090006-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 09:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2EnG018417; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:49:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:49:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:49:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0" Resent-Message-ID: <3sinK.A.ofE.rZKz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0 Content-Type: text/plain The FAQ on his website is a little dated. He doesn't use the JamMan anymore. He now uses an Echoplex. See this article from May 2003: http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_keller/ Here is Keller's Full Setup: Guild JF30, Martin HD28, and Tacoma JT55 acoustics Alvarez by Joe Villette baritone 6-string acoustic Renaissance custom baritone 12-string acoustic Gordon Anderson custom 8-string electric Godin LGXT 6-string electric Godin Multiac SA fretless nylon acoustic/electric Fender Jazz and Tacoma Thunderchief basses Roland GR33 guitar synthesizer Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro processor Lexicon MPX G2 processor Ernie Ball volume pedal DigiTech Whammy pedal Allen & Heath Mix Wizard 16-channel mixer Audix OM7, E4, and GX10 mics Sennheiser E602 and E608 mics Fishman Pro-EQ Platinum preamp Tama Rock Star kick, Sunlite piccolo snare Everyone's Drumming djembe Zildjian hi-hats Moog Theremin Percussion tubes by Joia and Boomwhakers Hohner Kazoo Shure E-5 in-ear monitors Sennheiser wireless hardware (for in-ears) HTH, DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:01 AM >>To: Looper's Delight >>Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops >> >>Hi Everbody-- >>I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last post mentioned >>him using the Lexicon MPX G2 as his looper--so I checked >>online--He seems to use the original Jamman (two of them?) >>for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I also checked out >>the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI looper--I >>don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of >>the Kahler Human Clock? >>Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, Gary >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops

The FAQ on his website is a little dated. He doesn't = use the JamMan anymore. He now uses an Echoplex.

See this article from May 2003:

http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_ke= ller/

Here is Keller's Full Setup:
Guild JF30, Martin HD28, and Tacoma JT55 = acoustics
Alvarez by Joe Villette baritone 6-string = acoustic
Renaissance custom baritone 12-string = acoustic
Gordon Anderson custom 8-string electric
Godin LGXT 6-string electric
Godin Multiac SA fretless nylon = acoustic/electric
Fender Jazz and Tacoma Thunderchief basses
Roland GR33 guitar synthesizer
Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro processor
Lexicon MPX G2 processor
Ernie Ball volume pedal
DigiTech Whammy pedal
Allen & Heath Mix Wizard 16-channel mixer
Audix OM7, E4, and GX10 mics
Sennheiser E602 and E608 mics
Fishman Pro-EQ Platinum preamp
Tama Rock Star kick, Sunlite piccolo snare
Everyone's Drumming djembe
Zildjian hi-hats
Moog Theremin
Percussion tubes by Joia and Boomwhakers
Hohner Kazoo
Shure E-5 in-ear monitors
Sennheiser wireless hardware (for in-ears)



HTH,

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:01 = AM
>>To: Looper's Delight
>>Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for = Loops
>>
>>Hi Everbody--
>>I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last = post mentioned
>>him using the Lexicon MPX G2 as his = looper--so I checked
>>online--He seems to use the original Jamman = (two of them?)
>>for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I = also checked out
>>the website mentioned hoping the product was = a MIDI looper--I
>>don't know exactly what it is, maybe a = software version of
>>the Kahler Human Clock?
>>Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, = Gary
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B8E3.713A02A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 10:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2FSg024906; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c3b8e8$f649c8e0$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:28:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, Keller's quite a sight (and sound) live -- anyone interested in some live Keller on CD, e-mail me off-list. regards, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops > Hi Everbody-- > I have not heard Mr. Williams, but the last post mentioned him using the > Lexicon MPX G2 as his looper--so I checked online--He seems to use the > original Jamman (two of them?) for loops, uses the G2 for effects . . . I > also checked out the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI > looper--I don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of the > Kahler Human Clock? > Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 10:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2Flab28708; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202154734.79662.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Erik G Subject: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello there loopers, I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? If so I'm needing one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. db --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hello there loopers,
 
I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? If so I'm needing one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
 
db


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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1837967275-1070380054=:79200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 11:51:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2GksE06523; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.38cae498.2cfe1bf1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:46:41 EST Subject: Re: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/2/03 7:48:24 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes: << I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? >> Negatory, overdubs are tied to the original loop length. Also there is some minimum loop length so you can't do glitch loops unless you create it somewhere else and feed it into the RC20. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 12:48:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2HjGw16081; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: Keller Williams Uses Jamman for Loops Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >effects . . . I >also checked out the website mentioned hoping the product was a MIDI >looper--I don't know exactly what it is, maybe a software version of the >Kahler Human Clock? >Yours in anticipation of the Next Big Thing, >Gary Yeah, InTime is similar in some ways to the Kahler Human Clock. I've never tried the Human Clock, only read a little about it. InTime is currently less flexible in that it relies on midi input, but is more flexible in other ways. I think that the setup for InTime is easier than for the Human Clock, and from what we've seen of other tempo-tracking methods, InTime is probably much more flexible in tracking tempo. InTime uses an algorithm derived from research into neurocognitive models of music perception, and is much more flexible than other methods, which are often based on statistical sampling, or expect repetitive patterns. InTime can track a constantly changing rhythm if need be, and doesn't require any kind of "4 on the floor" beat. To setup InTime for a song, all you need to do is set the startup tempo, which you can do in several ways, including tap from keyboard or midi footswitch. All other critical functions are controllable via midi notes or controllers, allowing the drummer, for example, to change tracking sensitivity and modes remotely while another musician does live loop manipulation on the same laptop the InTime is running on. Anywho, if there are any more questions, just let me know. Cheers, Michael Stauffer michael@circular-logic.com www.circular-logic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 13:40:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2IZpt24387; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:35:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:35:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202183548.62686.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Erik G Subject: Re: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9c.38cae498.2cfe1bf1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-784767822-1070390148=:60041" Resent-Message-ID: <19rYqB.A.78F.HuNz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-784767822-1070390148=:60041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanx! by the way what is the minimum loop length? db Aptrev@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/2/03 7:48:24 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes: << I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? >> Negatory, overdubs are tied to the original loop length. Also there is some minimum loop length so you can't do glitch loops unless you create it somewhere else and feed it into the RC20. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-784767822-1070390148=:60041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
thanx!
 
by the way what is the minimum loop length?
 
db

Aptrev@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/2/03 7:48:24 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes:

<< I have a question, can the rc20 do overdubs with diferent loop lengts? >>

Negatory, overdubs are tied to the original loop length.
Also there is some minimum loop length so you can't do glitch loops unless
you create it somewhere else and feed it into the RC20.

regards

BobC

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-784767822-1070390148=:60041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 13:58:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2Im2X26613; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.127dc558.2cfe3857@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:47:51 EST Subject: Re: boss rc 20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <31_L4D.A.sfG.i5Nz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/2/03 10:36:47 AM, db57db@yahoo.com writes: << by the way what is the minimum loop length? >> well, I've never timed it but I would guess around 3 seconds. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 14:09:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2J1aI29279; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:01:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCCE050.2080200@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:56:16 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: the ultimate tremolo pedal??? References: <20031202030341.72266.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031202030341.72266.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These pedals look incredible - and built by a nonprofit group, too. (you can barter!) What experience have people had with these? I'm especially interested in the noise-oriented/sound generation pedals. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >Have you looked at the 4ms Tremulus Lune? > >http://4mspedals.com/customize.html > >John > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 15:31:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2KQdH12629; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.203.220.220] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spam: Gear for sale Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:26:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2003 20:26:30.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[922230D0:01C3B912] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang. Some odds & ends for sale. For more details please contact off list Thanks Lou Rossi Boss DC-2 Dimension C petal $100 Boss FV-L Volume petal $40 TC Electronic Power Supply (w/ SKB cables) $100 Prices include shipping within USA 48 NYC pick up only PISMO PowerBook G3, 500 Mhz, 256 RAM w/ DVD & ZIP drives $600 MusicMan 65 amp head (works but needs some TLC) $50 Mesa Boogie 1x12 Open Black cab w/ 200 watt Black Shadow (EV) spk $150 _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 16:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2LSCt25542; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031202212809.86640.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: proposal for new thread: ATTRIBUTES of your LOOP MACHINE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031126223719.25157.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1) WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE > LOOPER THAT YOU USE.? UNDO Variable feedback control Multiple tracks Loop multiply Stereo (or more outputs) Long loop time (<2min) time/pitch stretch (even double/half time is useful) Volume control for each track > 2) WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN > THE FIELD? Multiple tracks with seperate volume/pitch/pan/offset Stereo time/pitch/pan manipulation 8 minute loop time Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 16:51:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2LkDc29900; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thu, 12/4, SF: Experimental/Electronic music at Luggage Store Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:46:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2003 21:46:07.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1614D40:01C3B91D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thursday, Dec 4 2003 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market St. @ 6th Street San Francisco $6-10 sliding scale 8:00 Miba (Kristen Miltner & Mark Bartscher) 9:00 Chris Cory Miba uses various self-created software patches to scan audio files, creating rhythmic granular textures ranging from harmonic washes to dense noise. Their installation work is made of suspended objects that trigger fragments of found sound. Tonight they will be performing their latest sample-based audio compositions. Chris Cory of Sebastopol, CA has been playing sax since age 10, but made the sudden transition from jazz to noise music in 1995. These days his performances still have alto & bari sax, but largely focus on the manipulation of radio & tape samples through a clarinet-shaped MIDI wind controller and other devices. Chris is currently working on an album soon to be released by Mind's Ear. For his set, he'll be taking gathering seemingly non-musical radio samples, white noise & environmental sounds, gradually processing and rearranging them into melodic, rhythmic "songs". _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 17:38:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB2MVbX07555; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <002601c3b923$84e06c00$9f66fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:27:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral differences = between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they just improved = as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? Any info from = experienced list members would be highly appreciated. Please respond = off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Stephen.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3B92B.E57E5560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB30Akt23128; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:10:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:10:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c3b942$d0a796d0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20031202212809.86640.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: proposal for new thread: ATTRIBUTES of your LOOP MACHINE Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:11:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2jpTNC.A.RpF.GoSz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 1) WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE > > LOOPER THAT YOU USE.? The EDP's ability to MIDI sync and all the commands that go with it like ReAlign, QuantizeStartPoint, etc. Also, the ability to control virtual functions via MIDI notes. > > 2) WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN > > THE FIELD? MIDI Sync abilities. MIDI control of *everything.* Genius, I tell you. Genius. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:26:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB30OLY25144; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:24:09 -0500 From: Kiyomi330@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 12/04/03 :SF: experimental fun! shinth tour and workshop MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6E3B39A8.592259A9.025F9C28@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 63.197.251.240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com circuit bending mayhaem! peter blasser fashion flesh twig harper rotton milk 12-04-03 6pm workshop bring sacrificial electronics & tools 9pm show San Francisco Art Institute 800 chestnut st pete's cafe -jackie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB30g2Q27670; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:42:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:42:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c3b947$2eece700$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a year now I've been using my EDP with Sonar running on a Windows XP machine and have been experiencing inconsistent behavior from it. I have sent a lot of mails to the list describing various problems I have had and either bored, or stumped everyone into mostly silence. I do a one-man-band thing with sequenced backing tracks which include EDP control commands written into them to record and playback parts of the song which I "play in." No matter what I would do, the commands written into the sequencer would never work the same twice. Or, if they did twice, they wouldn't a third time. If Quantize was ON, sometimes it would quantize to the bar, sometimes it would quantize to a beat after, sometimes it would be a bar late. If Quantize was OFF, sometimes it would trigger on time with the sequencer, sometimes it would trigger late, and sometimes it would trigger early. I found it weird that to get commands to sound "on the beat" I would have to turn Quantize off, and then move the trigger note to the "a" (1e&a) of beat four. Anyway, there was a recent discussion on the list about Mac vs. PC regarding audio and MIDI latency which got me thinking... The timing master in Sonar is set to my main audio interface's digitial audio driver. QUESTION(S): Is the sequencer (Sonar) sending MIDI data late or early to make up for latency of the audio tracks in a sequence? Is this lateness/earliness variable, or a fixed amount of time? Could this be causing the seemingly erratic behavior of sequenced EDP commands? In the Mac/PC discussion on latency there was some discussion about Windows inducing another level of latency to MIDI data, which Macs somehow bypass. Is there any way of measuring this latency? 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William Buchanan    drums (Fishlung Trio, BopAnts)
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--B_3153253092_436247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 08:19:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3DGtg01617; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ultimate EDP Controller Thread-Index: AcO5n+CYX19BrCwkSnykFrSjpi5n/w== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 13:18:01.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0DAF350:01C3B99F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB3DGrW01591 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recently I was thinking about the specs for the Roland FC-200 MIDI foot controller (I used to own one and sold it) and it occurred to me that this could make a great dedicated EDP controller. You can put it in a mode where all 13 buttons will send CC messages or Note On/Off messages plus set the built-in expression pedal for feedback. I remember also that the pedals have a nice feel to them that should lend themselves to the gymnastics of looping quite nicely. I Ebay'd one and it should arrive at the end of the week. Anyone else try one of these as a dedicated loop controller? Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 14:04:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3J0UK20929; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:00:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000d01c3b9cf$2c66a880$9767fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: References: <001401c3b925$8ca15e20$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:43:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality thing) = - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to know: = Does the old=20 Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, = or the=20 ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a = lot=20 (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are=20 a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this harsh=20 grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi=20 Stephen,
 
the=20 Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of which = are way=20 cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has lots of = BPM-synced=20 effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if you use them = with a MIDI=20 clock (for example the so-called looper, where you can take a sample = of one to=20 four beats and repeat them - great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, = or a=20 slicer). Also, I have the impression that the sonic quality is = generally=20 better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. And you have two independent = sampling=20 areas for the sample effects, so you can record two independent = samples and=20 switch between them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember 2003=20 23:28
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are there=20 any timbral differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss = Pad or=20 have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance = are=20 concerned? Any info from experienced list members would be highly=20 appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any = bandwidth.=20 Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the = cancer of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B971.2CA28FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 14:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3JswF28966; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:54:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3b9d7$6ecc5d20$54ada344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <001401c3b925$8ca15e20$0601a8c0@SATAN> <000d01c3b9cf$2c66a880$9767fe91@synthhost> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:55:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.173.84] at Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:54:55 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable K1 and K2 each have different and unique sounds. One man's trashy is = another man's quality.. hard to compare... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: rs@moinlabs.de=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality = thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
K1 and K2 each have different and = unique=20 sounds.  One man's trashy is another man's quality.. hard to=20 compare...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 1:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to know: = Does the old=20 Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, = or the=20 ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used = a lot=20 (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are=20 a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh=20 grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi=20 Stephen,
 
the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the = Kaoss 1=20 didn't have, some of which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum = machine=20 patches, and has lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine = thing,=20 especially if you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the = so-called=20 looper, where you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat = them -=20 great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have = the=20 impression that the sonic quality is generally better than that of = the Kaoss=20 Pad 1. And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample = effects,=20 so you can record two independent samples and switch between=20 them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: = wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember 2003=20 23:28
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are=20 there any timbral differences between the two incarnations of the = Kaoss=20 Pad or have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer = appearance=20 are concerned? Any info from experienced list members would be = highly=20 appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste = any=20 bandwidth. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the = cancer of=20 this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith = /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3B9AD.8566E660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:05:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3L1gK06607; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <188.22668df7.2cffa929@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:29 EST Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <_WrSkC.A.EnB.28kz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 03/12/03 20:21:38 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > FC-200 MIDI foot controller (I used to own one and sold > it) and it occurred to me that this could make a great > dedicated EDP controller. You can put it in a mode where > all 13 buttons will send CC messages or Note On/Off > messages plus set the built-in expression pedal for > feedback. actually the note-On /Off configuration is useless on this device. You'd have to use CC to control an EDP. ( which should work) but you can't send CC and prog. change from the same bank. (so not as good as Behringer FCB1010 for EDP prog change and control) I only looked at the manual (specifically with EDP in mind) so I could be wrong, but it seemed to only send instructions on one MIDI channel at a time. Is that right? (not a problem for just 1 edp of course) It does have about 5 sockets for controller footpedals in it's favour. ....but costs the same as 2 of the behringers (which have 2 built in controllers) ...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these please do tell andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:13:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3LAdN07781; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: all access powering problems Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:10:39 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c3b9e1$e79a38d0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:10:44.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA843960:01C3B9E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power supply, the manual for the all access states it will run of dc power, however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches light up, the numbers below and the display stay unlit. Has anyone else noticed this and how did they get round it ? =20 Thanks =20 =20 David Swain =20 HYPERLINK "mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk"d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk HYPERLINK "http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk"http://www.davidswain.pwp.bl ueyonder.co.uk =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=92m trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power supply, the manual for the all access states it will = run of dc power, however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches light up, the numbers below and the display stay = unlit. Has anyone else noticed this and how did they get round it ?

 

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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3B9E1.E79A38D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3LCdZ08113; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:12:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.198.11] X-Originating-Email: [justinfeinstein@hotmail.com] X-Sender: justinfeinstein@hotmail.com From: "Justin Feinstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Advice Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:12:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:12:32.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ACECFD0:01C3B9E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new to this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. I'm a hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, boomerang, repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam man live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what I'm trying to do. Any suggestions? Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:26:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3LNRN09498; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ultimate EDP Controller Thread-Index: AcO54OPKd1hhdRjZT8CWMZCaVoRT7gAAp/gA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:24:41.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD5C8A10:01C3B9E3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB3LNRW09473 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > actually the note-On /Off configuration is useless on this > device. > > You'd have to use CC to control an EDP. > ( which should work) Which is fine since I was planning on using CC messages anyway. I do know a guy who does use the note On/Off mode with the FC-200 though ... although he actually uses it to generate tones on a synth module. > but you can't send CC and prog. change from the same bank. > (so not as good as Behringer FCB1010 for EDP prog change and control) > > I only looked at the manual (specifically with EDP in mind) > so I could be wrong, but it seemed to only send > instructions on one MIDI channel at a time. > Is that right? > > (not a problem for just 1 edp of course) That is correct (I used to have one and got rid of it). But my plan now is to make it a dedicated EDP controller. For the rest of my rig, I am using a Rocktron All Access. If it works out, I'll let you know. Actually, if it doesn't I'll let you know that as well. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3M7P016140; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCE61C5.D7E47F2B@erols.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:20:53 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Advice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Justin Feinstein wrote: > I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new to > this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. I'm a > hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, boomerang, > repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for > home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've > seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam man > live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what I'm > trying to do. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Justin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx Hi Justin, Welcome aboard! Why don't you list some of things that you'd like to do with your looper, and maybe we can make some good suggestions. First of all, The Electrix Repeater is discontinued. You'd have to buy one used from E-bay. For a hand percussionist, I imagine that the Repeater would be a good looper, becuase it has seperate tracks that you can mix. The EDP (Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro) is probably the most sophisticated looper, and has really tight rhythmic time. It's probably the strongest rhythmic looper. I would suggest checking out percussionist Jon Wagner's website www.jondrums.com. I believe that he uses a repeater and an EDP. Also, check out percussionist Rick Walker's site www.looppool.info for lots of cool percussive looping. Have fun, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3MpVI22600; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.198.11] X-Originating-Email: [justinfeinstein@hotmail.com] X-Sender: justinfeinstein@hotmail.com From: "Justin Feinstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Advice Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:51:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 22:51:25.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAB787C0:01C3B9EF] Resent-Message-ID: <7k5Fj.A._gF.zjmz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Basically I want a unit that I can use in live situations (running in a roland hand sonic as well as assorted hand percussion instruments) where I can add to to pre-arranged loops (assorted samples and keyboard bits) as well as something I can use at home with a Mac home studio setup. Does this even exist? Please excuse my lack of technical/looping knowledge. I've been watching Jamman and Electrix repeater auctions on ebay just to try and gauge what my venture will cost. Thanks, Justin >From: John Mazzarella >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Advice >Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:20:53 -0500 > > > >Justin Feinstein wrote: > > > I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new >to > > this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. >I'm a > > hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, >boomerang, > > repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for > > home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've > > seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam >man > > live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what >I'm > > trying to do. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. > > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > >Hi Justin, > Welcome aboard! Why don't you list some of things that you'd like to >do >with your looper, and maybe we can make some good suggestions. First of >all, >The Electrix Repeater is discontinued. You'd have to buy one used from >E-bay. >For a hand percussionist, I imagine that the Repeater would be a good >looper, >becuase it has seperate tracks that you can mix. The EDP (Gibson Echoplex >Digital Pro) is probably the most sophisticated looper, and has really >tight >rhythmic time. It's probably the strongest rhythmic looper. I would >suggest >checking out percussionist Jon Wagner's website www.jondrums.com. I >believe >that he uses a repeater and an EDP. Also, check out percussionist Rick >Walker's site www.looppool.info for lots of cool percussive looping. > >Have fun, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:33:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NTGN28243; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:29:10 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 23:29:10.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[40F06BD0:01C3B9F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sure this has been covered and gone over many times, but i just cannot figure out how to use the stupid FCB 1010! it is mentally taking its toll. i just want to access the Loop IV software via MIDI to be able to use hsp, rev...etc. my friend at the local music store who is well versed in MIDI couldn't figure it out or get it to work w/the EDP either. i know people here use them w/their EDPs. the manual is useless. any tips? otherwise i give up. thanks -matt >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:01:29 EST > >In a message dated 03/12/03 20:21:38 GMT Standard Time, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > FC-200 MIDI foot controller (I used to own one and sold > > it) and it occurred to me that this could make a great > > dedicated EDP controller. You can put it in a mode where > > all 13 buttons will send CC messages or Note On/Off > > messages plus set the built-in expression pedal for > > feedback. > >actually the note-On /Off configuration is useless on this >device. > >You'd have to use CC to control an EDP. >( which should work) > >but you can't send CC and prog. change from the same bank. >(so not as good as Behringer FCB1010 for EDP prog change and control) > >I only looked at the manual (specifically with EDP in mind) >so I could be wrong, but it seemed to only send >instructions on one MIDI channel at a time. >Is that right? > >(not a problem for just 1 edp of course) > >It does have about 5 sockets for controller footpedals in it's favour. > >....but costs the same as 2 of the behringers (which have 2 built in >controllers) > >...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these >please do tell > >andy butler > > _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:42:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NbXS29382; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:37:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.52.96.90] X-Originating-Email: [jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com From: "Jesse Raderman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help With Boomerang and PA Head Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:37:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 23:37:27.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[695E0A90:01C3B9F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright just picked up a PA system today, some JBL 15inchs and I'm loving having all that sound behind me hah. But for some reason I can't get my boomerang hooked up correctly to the Head to get it to play at all. The Head is a Yamaha EMX62M Powered Mixer. What I first did was try putting it through the effects loop which on this version the manual says plug the Output from the effect (my 'rang) to the Aux In and plug the Input from the effect into the Effects out on the head. This didn't work, so I switched the connections around and still nothing. I have a feeling I have to put it into it's own channel every way I try I get nothing. Anyone have any idea of what I should do? _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:54:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NkeC30542; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3b9f7$9da0d610$73d26fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: References: <3F73D255.622F7082@earthlink.net> Subject: First Gig Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:45:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm playing for public for the first time this weekend (really the first time for anyone too). Dragging out my whole loop'a'delic rig, I'm ridiculously excited. It's free at UVA if anyone's curious. -gsc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:59:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NlkP30800; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Ultimate EDP Controller Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcO59YefFq9x0kaHRjKCSNy4XykAlAAAaIEQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------> I know this means getting more gear, but why not pick up a Peavey PC1600x and use that from the Behringer? Sound be a lot easier to program--here's one on Ebay . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2577152282&category=3278 And the you will also have the faders to use for live application. I have one in a box but am reluctant to sell it 'cause it will then become essential to my setup 8^) Gary PS PMC-10 is the ultimate foot controller? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:Ultimate EDP Controller i'm sure this has been covered and gone over many times, but i just cannot figure out how to use the stupid FCB 1010! it is mentally taking its toll. i just want to access the Loop IV software via MIDI to be able to use hsp, rev...etc. my friend at the local music store who is well versed in MIDI couldn't figure it out or get it to work w/the EDP either. i know people here use them w/their EDPs. the manual is useless. any tips? otherwise i give up. thanks -matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB3NvnX32443; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:57:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: Advice Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:57:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 23:57:44.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E572680:01C3B9F9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Justin- It sounds like you're going to need at least a microphone, and a mixer on the front end if you want to use several sources for looping. You'll also need some kind of looping device. There are lots of options: Repeater: excellent for looping as a tempo slave in a multi-device setup, 4 independent loops (all the same length), fx routing, good syncing capability, tempo and pitch are independently variable, loop storage and retrieval, SPDIF output, good looping functionionality, good midi implementation EDP: excellent for looping in a multi-device setup as a tempo master or slave, excellent for live improvising, great syncing capability, advanced looping functionionality, excellent midi implementation Jamman: great standalone looper, ok sync capability, basic looping functions, basic midi Line6 DL4: great standalone looper, built in delay functions, basic looping functions, no syncing, no midi, great choice for a first looper Good luck. Jon > Basically I want a unit that I can use in live situations (running in a > roland hand sonic as well as assorted hand percussion instruments) where I > can add to to pre-arranged loops (assorted samples and keyboard bits) as > well as something I can use at home with a Mac home studio setup. Does this > even exist? Please excuse my lack of technical/looping knowledge. I've been > watching Jamman and Electrix repeater auctions on ebay just to try and gauge > what my venture will cost. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4054w00971; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c3b9fa$626d5200$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3F73D255.622F7082@earthlink.net> <003701c3b9f7$9da0d610$73d26fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> Subject: Re: First Gig Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.158.249] at Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:05:02 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "redrum123" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: First Gig > I'm playing for public for the first time this weekend (really the first > time for anyone too). > > Dragging out my whole loop'a'delic rig, I'm ridiculously excited. > > It's free at UVA if anyone's curious. > > -gsc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4072f01279; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031204000646.67057.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:06:46 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Justin Feinstein wrote: > I just discovered looper's delight--much to my own delight--and am new to > this group. I'm getting ready to invest in some gear and need advice. I'm a > hand percussionist, interested in a live looping device (jamman, boomerang, > repeater), but also want something I can use to sample vinyl and CDs for > home recording (to be done on a Mac) and to loop to play with live. I've > seen Jamey Haddad (an incredible percussionist) work wonders with a jam man > live, but wonder if an electrix repeater would make more sense for what I'm > trying to do. Any suggestions? I think the Repeater would be an excellent tool for what you're talking about doing (including the other msg that I didn't quote). It has built in RIAA compensated inputs for use with your turntable and was actually designed and marketed with DJs in mind. The Beat Detect and Loop Point Assist functions help get clean loops from incoming material (CDs, vinyl, etc), and the time stretch and pitch manipulation options allow a lot of room to mutate things you've captured. You mentioned something about using prerecorded loops/samples in your live performances. The Repeater is ideal for that, since you can save lots of loops on compact flash cards and quickly recall them (then add to them or remix the multiple tracks). As far as interfacing with your computer, it has an S/PDIF digital output. I haven't used that on mine, but if it works ok it'd be a great way to transfer the audio without an extra DA conversion. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 20:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB41HVe12233; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c3ba15$4dfcd280$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:18:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha -- for some reason, no one wants to discuss this thread on-list. I have gotten three very friendly and helpful mails, all addressed directly to me. :) Thanks, guys. Michael Stauffer, here, asks if I'm sending sysex commands to the EDP. The answer is no. I'm sending simple MIDI note commands for functions like Record, Overdub, Loop1, NextLoop, etc. I do have MIDI-OX, which is another piece of the puzzle I forgot to mention. Because I have no MIDI patchbay, I have to use MIDI-OX to create a virtual one, allowing me to share a MIDI port to use my sampler's patch editor (on the computer), an FCB1010, and a PC1600X, and pipe MIDI clock to the sampler and EDP. That's another possible source of latency. However, even when I wasn't using MIDI-OX, I was getting erratic behavior. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: RE: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... > Jesse, > > I don't think that the timing latencies in Sonar should be effecting your > midi playback accuracy. With the newer WDM drivers the timing is supposed > to be very good, good enough that the latencies and variance shouldn't be > noticeable on the level of what you're talking about. But I've never done > serious timing stuff with Sonar, so it's just what I've read. There are > of course lots of subtle issues with optimizing Sonar for timing on a > particular system. > > I suggest posting to the Sonar forum on cakewalk's site if you haven't > already. If you can reproduce the timing errors with a more traditional > midi sequence (I'm assuming your EDP commands are sysex strings?) then it > might be easier to debug. If the timing errors only occur in tracks with > EDP command messages, then maybe it's the length of the EDP command > strings, or something particular to sysex messages in Sonar? How many > bytes are they? Maybe they're broken up into smaller packets in Sonar's > queue, and that throws things off. Maybe Sonar optimizes timing by not > guaranteeing accurate timing for sysex msgs? Just thinking out loud. > > MidiOx is a great midi testing utility if you don't already ahve it. It'd > make it easy to test output timing of midi events straight from Sonar via > virtual midi device, allowing you to test separate of any problems the > physical midi output port has (which are unlikely to be the problem). > > Have you tried slaving another sequencer program, maybe a very simple > one, to Sonar and having the slaved sequencer send out the EDP commands? > > HTH, > Michael > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... > > > > > >For a year now I've been using my EDP with Sonar running on a Windows XP > >machine and have been experiencing inconsistent behavior from > >it. I have > >sent a lot of mails to the list describing various problems I > >have had and > >either bored, or stumped everyone into mostly silence. > > > snip > >QUESTION(S): Is the sequencer (Sonar) sending MIDI data late > >or early to > >make up for latency of the audio tracks in a sequence? Is this > >lateness/earliness variable, or a fixed amount of time? Could this be > >causing the seemingly erratic behavior of sequenced EDP > >commands? In the > >Mac/PC discussion on latency there was some discussion about Windows > >inducing another level of latency to MIDI data, which Macs > >somehow bypass. > >Is there any way of measuring this latency? > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 20:41:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB41ZHR15824; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:35:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:37:46 -0800 Subject: Re: First Gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003701c3b9f7$9da0d610$73d26fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> Message-Id: <765A9FAA-25FA-11D8-B760-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great to hear..... Tell us how it turns out. Good luck and have fun! joe On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 03:45 PM, redrum123 wrote: > I'm playing for public for the first time this weekend (really the > first > time for anyone too). > > Dragging out my whole loop'a'delic rig, I'm ridiculously excited. > > It's free at UVA if anyone's curious. > > -gsc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 20:44:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB41cPf16226; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:38:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:38:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c3ba18$3a042f00$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Cc: "Per Boysen" References: Subject: Re: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:39:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahaha -- had my "reply-to" setting set for my address. Hence posts not getting to the list. Whoopsie. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Deep question(s) regarding EDP, Sonar, Windows MIDI latency... > Hi Jesse, > > I didn't know my mail went to you privately! All other list posts, except > yours, go back to the list when I press the return button. You should have a > look at your mail client preferences settings. > > All the best > > per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:48:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB42juq25393; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3ba10$cdc83900$45645cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for November, 2003 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:46:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for November, 2003. Shows #346 to #349; 6-November-2003 to 27-November-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Current - Communion - Origo Sound David Forlano - Ambient + Drone - none Dom F. Scab - About a Tree - Groove Gert Emmens - Obscure Moments in Twilight Shades - Groove John Broaddus - 4 at 18 - Parnassus Nump John Ducal - Hell's Canyon - Hypnos/Binary Larry Kucharz - Ambient Red Washes - International Audiochrome The Ministry of Inside Things - Live on Star's End and EMUSIC - = Synkronos Navigator - Airwaves - Groove Orbital Decay - Orbital Decay - none Patrick O'Hearn - Beautiful World - Patrick O'Hearn Ron Boots - Area Movement - Groove Steve Roach - Life Sequence - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Texture Maps - Timeroom Editions Vir Unis - Book of Mutations - AtmoWorks Vir Unis - Gathering 33 - Space for Music Vir Unis - Mercury and Plastic - AtmoWorks Vir Unis - Pulse N Atmo - Groove Vir Unis - The Drift Inside - Green House Xeroid Entity - Moons of Saturn - Electromusic Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for November, 2003.
Shows #346 to = #349;=20 6-November-2003 to 27-November-2003
Reported in non-ranked = order.
Compiled=20 by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE -=20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Current=20 - Communion - Origo Sound
David Forlano - Ambient + Drone - = none
Dom F.=20 Scab - About a Tree - Groove
Gert Emmens - Obscure Moments in = Twilight Shades=20 - Groove
John Broaddus - 4 at 18 - Parnassus Nump
John Ducal - = Hell's=20 Canyon - Hypnos/Binary
Larry Kucharz - Ambient Red Washes - = International=20 Audiochrome
The Ministry of Inside Things - Live on Star's End and = EMUSIC -=20 Synkronos
Navigator - Airwaves - Groove
Orbital Decay - Orbital = Decay -=20 none
Patrick O'Hearn - Beautiful World - Patrick O'Hearn
Ron Boots = - Area=20 Movement - Groove
Steve Roach - Life Sequence - Timeroom = Editions
Steve=20 Roach - Texture Maps - Timeroom Editions
Vir Unis - Book of Mutations = -=20 AtmoWorks
Vir Unis - Gathering 33 - Space for Music
Vir Unis - = Mercury and=20 Plastic - AtmoWorks
Vir Unis - Pulse N Atmo - Groove
Vir Unis - = The Drift=20 Inside - Green House
Xeroid Entity - Moons of Saturn - = Electromusic
 
Bill
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Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B9E6.D7B0A300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 22:23:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB43Ixk31150; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.52.96.90] X-Originating-Email: [jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com From: "Jesse Raderman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Help With Boomerang and PA Head Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:18:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 03:18:53.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[5841E960:01C3BA15] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright just a little bit more to add. The reason why I'm trying to run it through the effects loop is because I'd like to get a few instruments looping on the rang including guitar, bass and vocals. Playing around I found that when I take the output from the rang and plug it into a seperate channel then I can faintly hear the loop (and I reallly mean you can barely hear it). Alright... once again, any help would be greatly appreciated, can't wait to get this up and working. >From: "Jesse Raderman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Help With Boomerang and PA Head >Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:37:27 -0500 > >Alright just picked up a PA system today, some JBL 15inchs and I'm loving >having all that sound behind me hah. But for some reason I can't get my >boomerang hooked up correctly to the Head to get it to play at all. The >Head is a Yamaha EMX62M Powered Mixer. What I first did was try putting it >through the effects loop which on this version the manual says plug the >Output from the effect (my 'rang) to the Aux In and plug the Input from the >effect into the Effects out on the head. This didn't work, so I switched >the connections around and still nothing. I have a feeling I have to put it >into it's own channel every way I try I get nothing. Anyone have any idea >of what I should do? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months >@$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 22:27:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB43PQl32287; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCEA922.1020108@finleysound.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:25:22 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: all access powering problems References: <002a01c3b9e1$e79a38d0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5TUlKC.A.V4H.mkqz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Swain wrote: > I’m trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power > supply, the manual for the all access states it will run of dc power, > however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches light up, the > numbers below and the display stay unlit. Has anyone else noticed this > and how did they get round it ? David, As far as I know, there are only two ways to power the All Access. 1) using the AC wall wart adapter jack on the back of the All Access or 2) using a 7-pin MIDI cable with AC adapter or Rocktron rack unit. Either way, if the LCD display isn't working, I'd say something is wrong. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB44TXO09243; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:29:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.14a70cc3.2d001226@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:29:26 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #820 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/3/03 3:59:52 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << ...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these please do tell >> Well.. for what it's worth (since glenn and I have already talked about this ;)... this is what I'm currently using. I use the FC-200 to control patch changes on 3 different FX units, via CC mode to control both a Repeater and an EDP, and even dabble in note mode some (via a synth module). The only real trick I guess is switching modes. In addition to it's 6 expansion jacks though, there's actually a 7th jack that takes a FS-5U and is used to switch modes. You can set how many of the four modes it cycles through. I actually have it set to just two, so my FS-5U changes the FC-200 back and forth from patch change mode to CC mode. When I want the note mode, I angle my size 13 shoes to just hit the little tiny mode button with the edge of my toe. Tricky.. but do-able. As for my current programing scheme... I've got: the CTL pedal (always the same CC number regardless of mode) set to be a sustain pedal for my synth... the expression pedal set as synth volume 5 pedals programmed for the repeater (Rec, Undo, Trk 1 select, Trk 2 select, Stop) 7 pedals for EDP - (Rec, Over, Mult, Undo, Insert, Next, Mute) 2 extra EV-5's (exp) for Repeater trk 1&2 volumes 2 extra EV5's for instrument volumes and 2 open jacks ... one of which I plan to use for EDP volume... the other???? On the plus side... the thing is pretty rugged. I've owned mine for about 5 years now. It's been on a ton of trips.. checked in on airlines in everything from just a gig bag to suitcases, shipped all over the place... it even got run over by a car once. Of course in the car incident, I had to replace the chassis, but despite caving in, the chassis DID save the circuit board and none of the pedals were damaged. toodles, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB44wVR12909; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:58:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:58:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031204045824.65644.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: all access powering problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c3b9e1$e79a38d0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Swain wrote: > I’m trying to run my all access and a few pedals > from my pedal power > supply, the manual for the all access states it will > run of dc power, Does the manual say if the center pin is positive or negative? You might want to drop an email to their tech support to verify that you can use a DC power supply &, if so, what the polarity is. Also ask them how many milliamps it draws so you don't overload the power supply. I went thru the same exercise with my ART X-15. It came with an AC power supply although it actually operates on DC. ART tech support gave me all the info I needed. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 01:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB46XlU25200; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:33:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:33:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCED4CD.4080905@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:31:41 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Music trading scheme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Over the last couple of days I've been listening to two cds that I just received from members of this list and have been enjoying them quite a bit. What I was wondering was how many of us on this list have CDs of music that we have created that we feel have never really circulated as much as we might like? And then I struck upon the idea of trying to organize a one time (initially at least) trading circle here. What I'm thinking is that everyone who wants to be involved would send a message to the curator/director/whatever you call them (I will volunteer but it will be after the holidays before anything actually starts to happen) stating that they are interested, how many discs they want to trade (and hence the number they will receive hopefully), and where they're willing to ship them to (across oceans can get a tad pricey). We could also possibly ask for a general genre so that no one gets stuck with ambient guitar music they don't want :-) (btw, that is humor, I am an ambient guitarist much of the time). I imagine that we will finally have a list of people who have said they want to trade x number of discs and then I'll simply keep a tab and then start to match people up and tell them where to send their discs and what to expect from whom. I don't know if this will get overwhelming or not (guess it depends on how many people want to get in on it) but it seemed like a good way to get some of this group's music circulating (I personally don't much care to download 30+ minute songs and find I listen better if I have a hard copy to move around from place to place). Does this sound like a good idea to people and if so, does anyone want to go in on it? Kevin -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 01:59:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB46se027544; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031204065438.39829.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: tremolo -- thank you!! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a little belated, but thank you for all y'alls help on my tremolo question. much appreciated. 4ms pedals is amazing!! not only are they nonprofit, but they barter too. AND they're located in my hometown of St. Louis!!! kickass! http://4mspedals.com/ peace and thanks again, dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 04:44:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB49eAx14897; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Leonardson" Sender: eleon@ripco.com Reply-to: eleon@ripco.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:39:59 -0500 Subject: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3fcf00f8.15f15.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 141.157.216.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Well dress rehearsal for The Palmer Raids was very scary experinece for me because, with opening night coming up today, our Echoplex suddenly shuts down when I'm playing it in the middle of the key kick-ass momnets of the production. I'm using an Oberheim Echoplex with Loop IV. Today it has consistently shut down a few minutes after many button presses have been made. After it shuts down it automatically restarts. It never did this before. The button presses involved are "record" into a rather short loop of anywhere from 1.2 to 6 seconds, "overdub", for several passes, sometimes "multiply" will follow "record" and then "overdub", and in one scene all these button presses will also include an "insert" press to switch from "Fsp" to "Hsp". I'm processing the EDP's output through my Max/MSP patch. So when it shuts down I lose the signal and this totally blows the whole scene for me/Plasticene! I couldn't find a link referring to this problem in the loop archives, so I've posted my question to the list members. I wonder... Could this behavior be the result of the EDP being jostled around, dropped and loosening up the SIMM chips? I know the rack case took a spill a couple weeks ago, and then it was brought 'cross country in a large pickup truck. When I get back to the theater I'm hoping I can reseat the RAM chips and make this problem go away. But if this doesn't do it then I'm in a real bind... I don't feel as if I'm savvy enough to quickly write a Max/MSP patch that emulates the Echoplex, But if that's what it takes are there any Max loopers who have EDP emulating loop patches to share? And if so, how could I help you in exchange? Or, is there's someone in or near Manhattan who can loan me/Plasticene a looping device like the Echoplex... Any help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Eric Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 05:29:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4ANF820036; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:23:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:23:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCF09C8.23D7B5F1@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:17:45 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eleon@ripco.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? References: <3fcf00f8.15f15.0@ripco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2z9foC.A.94E.Tswz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric, A few things I can suggest: 1) I once experienced this sort of problem playing in a run-down building with spotty electricity - tapping footpedal buttons (or even just the chassis of the footcontroler) would make the EDP restart. You mention you're doing a dress rehearsal and noticing this for the first time, so it's possible that the electricity in the building you're playing in is disagreeing with your EDP. Best way to check this is to try the EDP at your regular place of playing/practice (wherever that is) and see if the problem persists. If it goes away outside of your dress rehearsal space, then a power conditioner of some sort would seem to be in order. 2) Dropping and jostling around are certainly not the best things for the EDP, so reseating the memory and/or the software EPROMS are the next thing I'd check. I personally would try this: a. Take off the lid of the EDP, and BEFORE TOUCHING ANYTHING INSIDE, tap your fingers on the outer rack ears of the EDP, to discharge any static electricity. b. Try removing and re-seating the memory SIMMS. This has worked wonders for me and others in the past. c. If a person chose to go a step or two further, you could remove and re-seat both the SIMMS and the EPROMS for the software. (The EPROMS are a bit trickier to remove, and should definitely be done with some sort of tool, not by hand. I use the small metal filing edge of nail clippers, believe it or not). Before you re-seat the SIMMS/EPROMS, you might try cleaning the contacts for both using cleaner. You should be able to find this sort of thing at Radio Shack or other electronics places. BE CAREFUL when doin this, to make sure that you're using cleaner that's good for ELECTRONICS. Otherwise you may actually corrode the connections inside. Good luck! --Andre LaFosse Eric Leonardson wrote: > > Hey all, > > Well dress rehearsal for The Palmer Raids was very scary experinece for me > because, with opening night coming up today, our Echoplex suddenly shuts > down when I'm playing it in the middle of the key kick-ass momnets of the > production. > > I'm using an Oberheim Echoplex with Loop IV. Today it has consistently shut > down a few minutes after many button presses have been made. After it shuts > down it automatically restarts. It never did this before. > > The button presses involved are "record" into a rather short loop of > anywhere from 1.2 to 6 seconds, "overdub", for several passes, sometimes > "multiply" will follow "record" and then "overdub", and in one scene all > these button presses will also include an "insert" press to switch from > "Fsp" to "Hsp". > > I'm processing the EDP's output through my Max/MSP patch. So when it shuts > down I lose the signal and this totally blows the whole scene for > me/Plasticene! > > I couldn't find a link referring to this problem in the loop archives, so > I've posted my question to the list members. I wonder... > > Could this behavior be the result of the EDP being jostled around, dropped > and loosening up the SIMM chips? > > I know the rack case took a spill a couple weeks ago, and then it was > brought 'cross country in a large pickup truck. > > When I get back to the theater I'm hoping I can reseat the RAM chips and > make this problem go away. But if this doesn't do it then I'm in a real > bind... > > I don't feel as if I'm savvy enough to quickly write a Max/MSP patch that > emulates the Echoplex, But if that's what it takes are there any Max > loopers who have EDP emulating loop patches to share? And if so, how could > I help you in exchange? > > Or, is there's someone in or near Manhattan who can loan me/Plasticene a > looping device like the Echoplex... > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Best regards, > Eric > > Upcoming Performances & Events: > http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html > Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DFm711263; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001301c3ba68$32506300$4865fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:11:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right. And which one sounds trashier? That=B4s the one for me, then. I = don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know 8). I guess it=B4s = the KP-1, though. Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 K1 and K2 each have different and unique sounds. One man's trashy is = another man's quality.. hard to compare... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: rs@moinlabs.de=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality = thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re = a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right. And which one sounds trashier? = That=B4s the=20 one for me, then. I don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know = 8). I=20 guess it=B4s the KP-1, though.
 
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 8:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

K1 and K2 each have different and = unique=20 sounds.  One man's trashy is another man's quality.. hard to=20 compare...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 1:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to = know: Does the=20 old Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are = used,=20 or the ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has = been=20 used a lot (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if = these=20 trashier sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if = the 2 also=20 has this harsh grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003=20 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad = 1 vs.=20 Kaoss Pad 2

Hi Stephen,
 
the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the = Kaoss 1=20 didn't have, some of which are way cool - has some simple = synth/drum=20 machine patches, and has lots of BPM-synced effects, which are = really a=20 fine thing, especially if you use them with a MIDI clock (for = example the=20 so-called looper, where you can take a sample of one to four beats = and=20 repeat them - great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a = slicer). Also,=20 I have the impression that the sonic quality is generally better = than that=20 of the Kaoss Pad 1. And you have two independent sampling areas = for the=20 sample effects, so you can record two independent samples and = switch=20 between them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: = wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember=20 2003 23:28
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Korg = Kaoss Pad 1=20 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are=20 there any timbral differences between the two incarnations of = the Kaoss=20 Pad or have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer=20 appearance are concerned? Any info from experienced list members = would=20 be highly appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want = to waste=20 any bandwidth. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, = the cancer of=20 this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent = Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3BA70.8DF5B720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:20:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DFqe11296; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:15:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001401c3ba68$34bbe4c0$4865fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <001401c3b925$8ca15e20$0601a8c0@SATAN> <000d01c3b9cf$2c66a880$9767fe91@synthhost> <000a01c3b9d7$6ecc5d20$54ada344@hppav> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:11:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right. And which one sounds trashier? That=B4s the one for me, then. I = don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know 8). I guess it=B4s = the KP-1, though. Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 K1 and K2 each have different and unique sounds. One man's trashy is = another man's quality.. hard to compare... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: rs@moinlabs.de=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Rainer hi all, this is exactly what I need to know: Does the old Kaoss Pad sound = grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are used, or the ring = modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has been used a lot = (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if these trashier = sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if the 2 also has this = harsh grittiness. Thx, Stephen.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: wavecomputer360@gmx.de=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi Stephen, the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the Kaoss 1 didn't have, some of = which are way cool - has some simple synth/drum machine patches, and has = lots of BPM-synced effects, which are really a fine thing, especially if = you use them with a MIDI clock (for example the so-called looper, where = you can take a sample of one to four beats and repeat them - great for = a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a slicer). Also, I have the impression = that the sonic quality is generally better than that of the Kaoss Pad 1. = And you have two independent sampling areas for the sample effects, so = you can record two independent samples and switch between them. Everything just first impressions (especially the sound quality = thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just today. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 vs. Kaoss Pad 2 Hi all, apologies for this somewhat OT post. Are there any timbral = differences between the two incarnations of the Kaoss Pad or have they = just improved as far as MIDI control and outer appearance are concerned? = Any info from experienced list members would be highly appreciated. = Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want to waste any bandwidth. = Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re = a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right. And which one sounds trashier? = That=B4s the=20 one for me, then. I don=B4t have the cash to buy both so I need to know = 8). I=20 guess it=B4s the KP-1, though.
 
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 8:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

K1 and K2 each have different and = unique=20 sounds.  One man's trashy is another man's quality.. hard to=20 compare...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 1:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 1 = vs. Kaoss=20 Pad 2

Hi Rainer hi all,
 
this is exactly what I need to = know: Does the=20 old Kaoss Pad sound grittier and wilder when those LoFi programs are = used,=20 or the ring modulator. I know a couple of albums where the KP 1 has = been=20 used a lot (eg. "Hybrid" by Gary Numan) and I=B4d like to know if = these=20 trashier sounds are a character triat of the kP 1 only or if = the 2 also=20 has this harsh grittiness.
 
Thx,
 
Stephen. 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003=20 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Korg Kaoss Pad = 1 vs.=20 Kaoss Pad 2

Hi Stephen,
 
the Kaoss 2 has some effects that the = Kaoss 1=20 didn't have, some of which are way cool - has some simple = synth/drum=20 machine patches, and has lots of BPM-synced effects, which are = really a=20 fine thing, especially if you use them with a MIDI clock (for = example the=20 so-called looper, where you can take a sample of one to four beats = and=20 repeat them - great for a-la-house on-the-fly remixes, or a = slicer). Also,=20 I have the impression that the sonic quality is generally better = than that=20 of the Kaoss Pad 1. And you have two independent sampling areas = for the=20 sample effects, so you can record two independent samples and = switch=20 between them.
 
Everything just first impressions = (especially the=20 sound quality thing) - my Kaoss 2 arrived just = today.
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family=20 Group - www.straschill.de
Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de
Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de
-----Original Message-----
From: = wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Dienstag, 2. = Dezember=20 2003 23:28
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Korg = Kaoss Pad 1=20 vs. Kaoss Pad 2

Hi all,
 
apologies for this somewhat OT = post. Are=20 there any timbral differences between the two incarnations of = the Kaoss=20 Pad or have they just improved as far as MIDI control and outer=20 appearance are concerned? Any info from experienced list members = would=20 be highly appreciated. Please respond off-list as I don=B4t want = to waste=20 any bandwidth. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, = the cancer of=20 this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent = Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] = website at www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3BA70.92F77420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:20:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DGtU11429; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Advice Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Advice Thread-Index: AcO58DRg9gyqjI3uRbOiCI5B5FBqWgAeElgQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 13:18:02.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B675680:01C3BA69] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB4DGsW11403 Resent-Message-ID: <5GZSQD.A.cyC.HPzz_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know a drummer in Holland, Jan Wolfkamp, who uses an EDP to loop drums and percussion and he does quite effectively. I do loop more than one instrument in my own rig. I perform on Chapman Stick (which means two outputs already). Plus I run the high strings through a GK pickup into a synth module with stereo output. I have my rig configured so that everything runs into a nice clean Rane SM 82 single rack line mixer. The stereo output from the mixer then runs into my power amp. The EDP is hooked up to the effects loop of the mixer so that anything running to the mixer can be looped or not looped depending on the "send" setting for each channel. This works really well. Plus the Rane effects loop is stereo so I'm in the process of adding a second EDP for full stereo looping. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Feinstein [mailto:justinfeinstein@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Advice > > Basically I want a unit that I can use in live situations (running in a > roland hand sonic as well as assorted hand percussion instruments) where I > can add to to pre-arranged loops (assorted samples and keyboard bits) as > well as something I can use at home with a Mac home studio setup. Does this > even exist? Please excuse my lack of technical/looping knowledge. I've been > watching Jamman and Electrix repeater auctions on ebay just to try and gauge > what my venture will cost. > > Thanks, > Justin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4DMwh13034; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:22:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:22:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1de218ef.2d008f24@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:22:44 EST Subject: Re: FC-200 with EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > << ...but if some can make an EDP controller from one of these > please do tell >> > > Well.. for what it's worth (since glenn and I have already talked about this > > ;)... this is what I'm currently using. I use the FC-200 to control patch > changes on 3 different FX units, via CC mode to control both a Repeater and > an > EDP, and even dabble in note mode some (via a synth module). The only real > trick I guess is switching modes. In addition to it's 6 expansion jacks > though, > there's actually a 7th jack that takes a FS-5U and is used to switch modes. > > You can set how many of the four modes it cycles through. I actually have > it > set to just two, so my FS-5U changes the FC-200 back and forth from patch > change > mode to CC mode. When I want the note mode, I angle my size 13 shoes to > just > hit the little tiny mode button with the edge of my toe. Tricky.. but > do-able. thank's for that Tom, that sort of info is actually pretty hard to come by. (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) any chance you could give a quick run down of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? ( the other question we always ask is, how much time between pressing the switch and getting a response) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 09:04:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4E1i619519; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCF3E53.8050501@biink.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:01:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Ohmbient list , "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" Subject: E. Willamsburg, Brooklyn: An Evening of Improvisation -- Sukato, David Beardsley, R.D. Hansen, Loren Dempster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An Evening of Improvisation -- Sukato, David Beardsley, R.D. Hansen, Loren Dempster Time: 8 pm Date: Saturday, December 6, 2003 Place: Loren's loft (304 Boerum St #23 (buzzer 11 @ White), East Williamsburg, Brooklyn) Musicians: Sukato -- ukelele, darabukkah, plectrum violin, and voice. David Beardsley -- microtonal just-intoned guitars (fretted and maybe fretless) and loops. R.D. Hansen -- soprano saxophone. Loren Dempster -- digeridoo and cello. ------------------------------------------- This concert will be at Loren Dempster's loft in East Williamsburg. Bring a friend. Bring ten friends. This is a free concert (though there will be a donation basket for those who wish to give). There will free snacks. There will be beer for $3. DIRECTIONS From the L train: Get off at "Morgan Avenue" stop. The walk is short (1 1/2) if you come before 9:30 pm. Up until 9:30pm exit out back of train platform. As you come out to street, left on Bogart, then left on Boerum. After 9:30 pm, exit out front of train platform. There is a map of the area here. Exit sharp right of station lobby, you will be at corner of Morgan and Harrison Place. Left down Harrison Place, (if you hit Knickerbocker, you went the wrong way) right on Bogart, left on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. From J, M, or Z trains: Get off "Flushing Avenue" stop. Walk northeast on Flushing left on Bushwick, right on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. OR Marcy Ave, walk to bus barn area, get B61, get out at Morgan ave L stop and use directions above. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:17:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4FFpq30266; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: Subject: RE: all access powering problems Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:15:41 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c3ba79$80158910$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031204045824.65644.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 15:15:57.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[846EF820:01C3BA79] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB4FFoW30240 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the replies, I got an email from rocktron, it doesn’t function at all on dc power .... I read the manual wrong. It had been a long day, I had done a lot of soldering ,,,, David Swain -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: 4 December 2003 4:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: all access powering problems --- David Swain wrote: > I’m trying to run my all access and a few pedals > from my pedal power > supply, the manual for the all access states it will > run of dc power, Does the manual say if the center pin is positive or negative? You might want to drop an email to their tech support to verify that you can use a DC power supply &, if so, what the polarity is. Also ask them how many milliamps it draws so you don't overload the power supply. I went thru the same exercise with my ART X-15. It came with an AC power supply although it actually operates on DC. ART tech support gave me all the info I needed. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 02/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 02/12/2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4FYLw00339; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Leonardson" Sender: eleon@ripco.com Reply-to: eleon@ripco.com To: Andre LaFosse , eleon@ripco.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:34:07 -0500 Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3fcf53f8.16341.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 141.157.219.43 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, Thanks for your suggestions. I will apply them as soon as I get down to the theater...keeping my fingers crossed. I do have a Furman power conditioner in the rack for the EDP. My regular practice space is in Chicago so I won't be able try that. The problem started on the third day of rehearsal in the theater. I just hope it was loose and on verge of... It's a relief to know that this phenomenon isn't unique. Best regards, Eric Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4FjnU02007; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3ba7d$cec37460$79a9a344@hppav> From: "David" To: , References: <3fcf53f8.16341.0@ripco.com> Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:46:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.169.121] at Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:45:47 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See if you can ensure that you're getting power from a different line than feeds any stage lighting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Leonardson" To: "Andre LaFosse" ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? > Hi Andre, > > Thanks for your suggestions. I will apply them as soon as I get down to the > theater...keeping my fingers crossed. > > I do have a Furman power conditioner in the rack for the EDP. My regular > practice space is in Chicago so I won't be able try that. The problem > started on the third day of rehearsal in the theater. I just hope it was > loose and on verge of... > > It's a relief to know that this phenomenon isn't unique. > > Best regards, > Eric > Upcoming Performances & Events: > http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html > Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 10:52:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4Fnuw02822; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:49:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: FC-200 with EDP Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FC-200 with EDP Thread-Index: AcO6afA6kWW5LkyjRF+O+tVugdCrswAFAsSA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 15:51:03.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BA818D0:01C3BA7E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB4FntW02798 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No online manuals. One of my Roland peeves no doubt. In my first go around with the FC-200, I found that it does not send to different MIDI channels at all. You can set which channel it sends to but it is a global setting. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FC-200 with EDP > > thank's for that Tom, that sort of > info is actually pretty hard to come by. > (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) > > any chance you could give a quick run down > of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? > ( the other question we always ask is, how much time > between pressing the switch and getting a response) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 13:59:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB4IsjK01394; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:54:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:54:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: RE: FC-200 with EDP Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <_5yejD.A.qV.0L4z_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glenn, Have you looked at Manual Manor to see if they have a manual? http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html I have no idea how good this site is. I stumbled on it the other day. Cheers, Michael >No online manuals. One of my Roland peeves no doubt. > >In my first go around with the FC-200, I found that it >does not send to different MIDI channels at all. You can >set which channel it sends to but it is a global setting. > >Glenn > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:23 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: FC-200 with EDP >> >> thank's for that Tom, that sort of >> info is actually pretty hard to come by. >> (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) >> >> any chance you could give a quick run down >> of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? >> ( the other question we always ask is, how much time >> between pressing the switch and getting a response) >> >> andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 21:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB52sMG11596; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:54:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at the living:room, Friday 12/5 8PM From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <55180F4A-26CE-11D8-BD8B-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <4iW28.A.E1C.eN_z_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing a set of acoustic guitar with EDP instrumentals this Friday evening at the living:room (4301 fremont ave n, http://livingroom.blogspot.com/), starting at 7:30PM. There'll be new art on the walls, admission is free, and there'll be free snacks. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 22:14:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB53Bt514616; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:11:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FCFF76A.3090800@finleysound.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:11:38 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music trading scheme References: <3FCED4CD.4080905@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Honestly, I think setting up someone as a go-between between traders unnecessarily complicates the process. It's easy enough for any prospective trader to post a message to the list and go from them. Just my opinion. Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Over the last couple of days I've been listening to two cds that I just > received from members of this list and have been enjoying them quite a > bit. What I was wondering was how many of us on this list have CDs of > music that we have created that we feel have never really circulated as > much as we might like? And then I struck upon the idea of trying to > organize a one time (initially at least) trading circle here. > > What I'm thinking is that everyone who wants to be involved would send a > message to the curator/director/whatever you call them (I will volunteer > but it will be after the holidays before anything actually starts to > happen) stating that they are interested, how many discs they want to > trade (and hence the number they will receive hopefully), and where > they're willing to ship them to (across oceans can get a tad pricey). We > could also possibly ask for a general genre so that no one gets stuck > with ambient guitar music they don't want :-) (btw, that is humor, I am > an ambient guitarist much of the time). > > I imagine that we will finally have a list of people who have said they > want to trade x number of discs and then I'll simply keep a tab and then > start to match people up and tell them where to send their discs and > what to expect from whom. > > I don't know if this will get overwhelming or not (guess it depends on > how many people want to get in on it) but it seemed like a good way to > get some of this group's music circulating (I personally don't much care > to download 30+ minute songs and find I listen better if I have a hard > copy to move around from place to place). > > Does this sound like a good idea to people and if so, does anyone want > to go in on it? > > Kevin -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 02:45:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB57hhR21589; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:43:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's not the $400 Furman jobber (the 1215 is the model number for the one I'm thinking of), then it's really of little use in situations like this. Those power distributor things (usually around $100) are the equivalent of a power string with two slide-out lights and a breaker switch. I think the theory here is that your power is browning and the EDP is resetting itself. You can also try using a UPS, like the ones for computers. There was a theatre that I used to play in that had dreadful wiring/power thanks to some "off-the-clock" rewiring. $250 of UPS cured my problem, as long as I remember not to touch any of the metal support beams while I was touching my guitar... TravisH >From :"Eric Leonardson" < eleon@ripco.com > >Subject :Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? >Date :Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:34:07 -0500 >Hi Andre, >Thanks for your suggestions. I will apply them as soon as I get down to the >theater...keeping my fingers crossed. >I do have a Furman power conditioner in the rack for the EDP. My regular >practice space is in Chicago so I won't be able try that. The problem >started on the third day of rehearsal in the theater. I just hope it was >loose and on verge of... >It's a relief to know that this phenomenon isn't unique. >Best regards, >Eric >Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://>pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 02:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB57oRb22771; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:50:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If it's not the $400 Furman jobber (the 1215 is the model number for >the one I'm thinking of), then it's really of little use in >situations like this. Right. That's the same one I have, and it's a power conditioner/voltage regulator--so it can accommodate and correct voltage brown outs and surges. The others ones don't do that. Costs about $400 or so though, as you said. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 08:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5DeR202387; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c3bb35$651f0b60$97645cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #350 for December 4, 2003 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #350 Devember 4, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on James Johnson, a Chicago area ambient master. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Linger" on AtmoWorks. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Don't Breakdown" by Don = Slepian on Don and Judy Records. I played the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at the next = Gate to Moonbase Alpha. See the EVENTS page for details. James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Don Slepian Horizon Computer Don't = Breakdown (Don and Judy Records) Aperus Dark Moon Tumbleweed Obfuscated = By Camera Failure = (mPath) Hemisphere Chroma Beast in the Heat = (Groove) Under the Dome C-57D Wot No Colin? (Neu = Harmony) Pseudo Buddha September 6 3 Months in Fat City = (Dog Fingers) anti:clockwise There's a Light Up Ahead artist CDR (none) 12:00 am James Johnson Linger Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Twilight Impressions Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Riding the Fog Line Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Siren Song Linger (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Frequency Shift Linger (AtmoWorks) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on James Johnson. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Surrender" on ZeroMusic. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "East West" by Richard Pinhas on = the Pulse label. I will play the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at the = next Gate to Moonbase Alpha. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, = and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
            =    =20     Show #350       =20             Devember 4, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on <a=20 href=3D"focus03.html#dec">James Johnson</a>, a Chicago = area
ambient=20 master.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Linger" on = AtmoWorks.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Don't Breakdown" by Don = Slepian=20 on
Don and Judy Records.
 
I played the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at the = next=20 Gate
to Moonbase Alpha.  See the EVENTS page for details.
 
James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec
Ev= ents=20 - http://wdi= y.org/programs/emusic/playlists/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Don=20 Slepian           =  =20 Horizon           =       =20 Computer Don't Breakdown=20 (Don
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 and Judy=20 Records)
Aperus         &= nbsp;       =20 Dark=20 Moon           &nb= sp;   =20 Tumbleweed Obfuscated=20 By
           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Camera Failure=20 (mPath)
Hemisphere        &nbs= p;    =20 Chroma           &= nbsp;      =20 Beast in the Heat (Groove)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 C-57D           &n= bsp;       =20 Wot No Colin? (Neu Harmony)
Pseudo=20 Buddha           = September=20 6            =  =20 3 Months in Fat City=20 (Dog
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Fingers)
anti:clockwise        = ; =20 There's a Light Up Ahead artist CDR (none)
 
12:00 am
James=20 Johnson          =20 Linger           &= nbsp;      =20 Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Twilight=20 Impressions     Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Riding the=20 Fog Line      Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Siren=20 Song           &nb= sp;  =20 Linger (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Frequency=20 Shift          Linger=20 (AtmoWorks)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 James Johnson.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Surrender" = on=20 ZeroMusic.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "East West" by Richard Pinhas = on=20 the
Pulse label.
 
I will play the music of anti:clockwise who will be performing at = the next=20 Gate
to Moonbase Alpha.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C3BB0B.6A05B860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 09:09:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5E5xr05638; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:05:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:05:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c3bb39$4671d0e0$8a4a883e@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: A few questions for stompbox loopers Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:07:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5bSon.A.7XB.HDJ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series (one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal chain? I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of them. Thanks in advance! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5I2GO10821; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:02:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:02:15 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A few questions for stompbox loopers Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.108.221.4] Message-Id: <20031205180215.7F49A7276@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use two,one at the beginning,after a clean booster,and the second at the end of the series...modulation and short delays go in the middle of the loopers sandwich Best Maneco http://manecolooper.tripod.com --- "Gareth Hardwick" wrote: I've got a few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series (one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal chain? I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of them. Thanks in advance! Gareth _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5IHYk14203; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Leonardson" Sender: eleon@ripco.com Reply-to: eleon@ripco.com To: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:17:25 -0500 Subject: Re: sudden Echoplex shutdown and restart, or who has a loop device in NYC to loan me? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3fd0cbbc.179e6.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 68.161.209.89 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear David and Andre, The Echoplex is back to normal, and all was fine for opeing last night. Thanks so for your helpful advice. I reseated the RAM chips. I also ckecked to make I running my AC sharing a circuit for any lighting elements. I discovered that there was a coffee maker backstage on the same AC oulet...hmmm. I didn't want to fumble around too much with removing and reseating the EPROMs, so I just gave those push down to make they were well-seated. Best regards, Eric Leonardson PS: Plasticene's THE PALMER RAIDS runs through this weekend and next at the OHIO THEATRE, 66 Wooster, New York. For reservations please call 212-613-3173 or visit: http://www.plasticene.com/ Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:29:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5IMQS15263; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <33755.129.33.49.251.1070648575.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:22:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A few questions for stompbox loopers From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Ujy3.A.WuD.izM0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently using an RC-20 and an Akai Headrush at the end of the signal chain, in series. I think I will try using one of the other loopers that I don't use all the time at the beginning of the signal chain in order to use the effects for modulating that loop post-recording. Thanks for the inspiration, Juan. best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > I use two,one at the beginning,after a clean booster,and the second at the end of the series...modulation and short delays go in the middle of the loopers sandwich > > Best > Maneco > http://manecolooper.tripod.com > > --- "Gareth Hardwick" wrote: > I've got a few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. > > How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series (one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal chain? > > I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of them. > > Thanks in advance! > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:44:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5IcG119682; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Echoplex on the road, gets strange Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:38:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3fd0cbbc.179e6.0@ripco.com> Thread-Index: AcO7XCIZIwI0kr/ET8qa9BBKU1jI3wAAnCsg Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <5bi9cB.A.WzE.YCN0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Leonardson wrote: The Echoplex is back to normal, and all was fine for opeing last night. Thanks so for your helpful advice. I reseated the RAM chips. I also ckecked to make I running my AC sharing a circuit for any lighting elements. I discovered that there was a coffee maker backstage on the same AC oulet...hmmm. I didn't want to fumble around too much with removing and reseating the EPROMs, so I just gave those push down to make they were well-seated. ------> I had a similar experience three weeks ago, I traveled with the EDP out of the rack and it was eccentric when I arrived--took the cover off, pushed down, and everything was fine. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:26:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JMSe27742; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:17 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/4/03 11:50:37 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << thank's for that Tom, that sort of info is actually pretty hard to come by. (because Roland don't put manuals on-line) any chance you could give a quick run down of how that device deals with sending to different MIDI channels? ( the other question we always ask is, how much time between pressing the switch and getting a response) >> For MIDI channels... everything just goes out one channel which you select of course. I guess I've had to get a little clever about this, but it works fine for me. Details: My rig (like Glenn's ;) is a Chapman Stick setup, complete with stereo melody fx (2 units), bass fx, stereo synth, an EDP and a Repeater. The MIDI out from the FC-200 first goes to a 1x4 Thru (to guard against signal degredation). the 3 FX units are setup with MIDI tables. So... while all three may see "patch 5" coming at them, they can change to whatever I set in the tables. Essentially I work with groups of sounds. Patch 1 is just reverb on both gtr and bass sides of the Stick. Patch 9 is distortion, volume swell, filters on gtr, chorus on bass, etc... I "could" have the synth patches changing with this too, but I like the idea of them not changing everytime I change Stick sounds. For example, sometimes I might want synth patch 9 with Stick sounds 1.. sometimes I might want it with Stick sounds 5, or 9. Rather than have a scarry number of FC-200 patches to remember, I just keep the synth in it's own world. While two MIDI outs of the Thru box feed the FX units, another goes to a 1x2 MIDI solutions MIDI router (programmable to send incoming MIDI messages to one, both or neither of it's outs). One Out of this is programmed to send everything except patch changes to the sound module. So my FC-200 CTL pedal (sustain) and Expression pedal (volume) as well as the FC-200 note mode notes all get to the synth, but the patch changes meant only for the FX units don't. The other Router MIDI out goes to the loopers. It filters out MIDI notes, and patch changes. (The Repeater unfortunately responds to everything under the sun and has no internal way to not respond to everything, so I filter stuff out). thanks to the EDP's ability to change what CC#'s control what functions (source number) I found a gap in the Repeaters CC# structure where I could fit in the main EDP functions. The final big MIDI step I guess is that the output from the FC-200, (having gone through the "synth" output of the Router) goes to a MIDI merge, where it joins up with a signal from the Stick's GK2 pickup. Traditionally I've used a GI-10 interface, and used the S1,S2 buttons on the pickup to switch synth patches. I recently bought a GI-20 which has some additional features that I "think" will allow me to get synth patch changes under my feet fairly easily (and without a second MIDI controller.. also an option thanks to the FC-200's MIDI in jack). phew... hope this was actually of inteest to some. Oh.. and the pedals on the FC-200 feel fine. I haven't really noticed a difference between that and the EDP pedal. --Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JYqo30028; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: all access powering problems Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:34:53 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c3bb66$db3b70f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3FCEA922.1020108@finleysound.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 19:26:24.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABBD3260:01C3BB65] Resent-Message-ID: <2DrF9.A.CVH.b3N0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is that the voodoolabs pedalpower? i think the pedalpower can only supply 100 mA. the all access draws about 700 mA. the original supply was rated for around 1.5 A > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew F. McCabe [mailto:mmccabe@finleysound.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: all access powering problems > > > David Swain wrote: > > I'm trying to run my all access and a few pedals from my pedal power > > supply, the manual for the all access states it will run of > dc power, > > however hen I plug it in only the leds above the switches > light up, the > > numbers below and the display stay unlit. Has anyone else > noticed this > > and how did they get round it ? > > > David, > > As far as I know, there are only two ways to power the All > Access. 1) > using the AC wall wart adapter jack on the back of the All > Access or 2) > using a 7-pin MIDI cable with AC adapter or Rocktron rack > unit. Either > way, if the LCD display isn't working, I'd say something is wrong. > > Matt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JeuD31097; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:40:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 Thread-Index: AcO7ZVWeHPovofq7T5KNeLxXbhMNVQAAijjw From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 19:42:00.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9882630:01C3BB67] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB5JetW31071 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh.. and the pedals on the FC-200 feel fine. I haven't > really noticed a difference between that and the EDP pedal. Actually, I have noticed a bit of a difference and I think I prefer the FC-200 pedals. There is just a little more meat to them. With the EDP controller, I've always tried to keep my rack within good eye shot so that I could visually confirm that an operation took place just because the EFC7 buttons are so soft. Then, in an extra bit of wierdness, a month or so ago I bought a new pair of shoes. The toes are turned up just a bit more than on my old shoes and, for several days, I found myself missing the EFC7 buttons. I actually had to practice my button pushes again. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 14:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5JihL31880; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:44:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:44:26 -0500 Subject: Surveying Interest in LaFosse clinic in New York, from Todd and Andre... NY'ers, please respond From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3153480266_5967246" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153480266_5967246 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, In trying to work this angle of creating a clinic with Andre, I=B9m trying to assess how much interest in numbers we could expect on the date of January 30th, afternoon, Saturday here in New York. Please respond to this email off-list. Probably best to create a new message by clicking here... todd@toddreynolds.com and simply type two or three words in the subject heading to indicate your interest and/or availability so we get an idea of who will attend... Other salient details: A suggested $10 donation If a small crowd, takes place at todd=B9s place in Sunnyside, Queens, 20 minutes from times square on subway. If large crowd, well, that=B9s what I need to know in order to make other arrangements. Todd Reynolds will also offer up a portion of the clinic on software and hardware looping, especially in the context of his own minimalist and classical compositional techniques. And finally, there will be plenty of coffee and herbal tea, the format will be loose and Andre and I would love to open up the entire afternoon and evening to this so we all have plenty of time to hang for us loopers who only know each other by means of font and musical content. Time for some face time. For our non new york brethren and sistern, a reminder to reply off list whe= n appropriate, All best to everyone. I=B9m excited about the possibilities here... Todd Reynolds --B_3153480266_5967246 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Surveying Interest in LaFosse clinic in New York, from Todd and Andr= e... NY'ers, please respond Hey all,

In trying to work this angle of creating a clinic with Andre, I’m try= ing to assess how much interest in numbers we could expect on the date of Ja= nuary 30th, afternoon, Saturday here in New York.  

Please respond to this email off-list.  Probably best to create a new = message by clicking here...  todd@toddreynolds.com  and simply typ= e two or three words in the subject heading to indicate your interest and/or= availability so we get an idea of who will attend... Other salient details:=

A suggested $10 donation

If a small crowd, takes place at todd’s place in Sunnyside, Queens, 2= 0 minutes from times square on subway.  If large crowd, well, that̵= 7;s what I need to know in order to make other arrangements.

Todd Reynolds will also offer up a portion of the clinic on software and ha= rdware looping, especially in the context of his own minimalist and classica= l compositional techniques.

And finally, there will be plenty of coffee and herbal tea, the format will= be loose and Andre and I would love to open up the entire afternoon and eve= ning to this so we all have plenty of time to hang for us loopers who only k= now each other by means of font and musical content.

Time for some face time.

For our non new york brethren and sistern, a reminder to reply off list whe= n appropriate,

All best to everyone.  I’m excited about the possibilities here.= ..

Todd Reynolds
--B_3153480266_5967246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5LFXW16812; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:15:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:15:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:15:54 -0800 Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com havent heard the present band but this photo is interesting... http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5LJNA17778; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <47.36ad92c8.2d025051@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:19:13 EST Subject: Re: FC 200 buttons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/5/03 11:57:00 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << Actually, I have noticed a bit of a difference and I think I prefer the FC-200 pedals. There is just a little more meat to them. With the EDP controller, I've always tried to keep my rack within good eye shot so that I could visually confirm that an operation took place just because the EFC7 buttons are so soft. >> ..and while I'm thinkig about it. the FC-200 buttons all have lights. If you stare at your feet you can confirm whether or not you hit a button by whether or not the light goes on. --Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:05:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5M1OI26065; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: question about stopbox loopers Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:01:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 22:01:18.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F6868C0:01C3BB7B] Resent-Message-ID: <6ounQB.A.IXG.0AQ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most people I know put their looping devices and reverb units (aka time based effects) after distortion, volume, wah, etc (aka amplitude based effects). This allows you to lay a loop of your instrument sounding like one thing, then change the tone of your instrument for accompaniment or more layers. Don't feel like there's some sort of rule you must follow though. I would suggest experimenting with different setups for different recordings and sets. Personally, I arrange my looping units in sequence (one feeds into the other). This makes it easier to build fragmented and complex loops fairly quickly, especially when they're not in sync. Most other people I've seen with multiple loopers run them parallel, so they have more control over working with each loop independently. >"Gareth Hardwick" done wrote: I've got a >few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, >particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. > >How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they run in series >(one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? >Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in their signal >chain? > >I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a Boss DD-20, >DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether >their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of >them. _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5M8To27574; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:08:21 EST Subject: "UN" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <8POcMB.A.tuG.dHQ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven tracs of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature but with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music and forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david recorded from 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:20:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5MGhr29912; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:16:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: question about stopbox loopers Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:18:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <5SQrsB.A.PTH.KPQ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A "rule" I follow is: put those time based effects after distortion/compression/octave/.... The reason is: I want the originally distorted sound echoed/looped not the echoed/looped sound distorted. Especially with echo it sounds bad to me when the fading volume makes the distortion kick in less and less. Might be interesting though when using a volume dependent filter... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] > Sent: Freitag, 5. Dezember 2003 23:01 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: question about stopbox loopers > > > Most people I know put their looping devices and reverb units (aka time > based effects) after distortion, volume, wah, etc (aka amplitude based > effects). This allows you to lay a loop of your instrument > sounding like one > thing, then change the tone of your instrument for accompaniment or more > layers. > > Don't feel like there's some sort of rule you must follow though. I would > suggest experimenting with different setups for different recordings and > sets. > > Personally, I arrange my looping units in sequence (one feeds into the > other). This makes it easier to build fragmented and complex loops fairly > quickly, especially when they're not in sync. Most other people I've seen > with multiple loopers run them parallel, so they have more control over > working with each loop independently. > > > >"Gareth Hardwick" done wrote: > I've got a > >few questions for those of you who use stompbox loopers, > >particularly people who use two or more in their signal chan. > > > >How are they placed in the signal chain? For example are they > run in series > >(one looper after another), or parrallel (using an AB box/line selector)? > >Is one looper placed before or after any particular effect in > their signal > >chain? > > > >I'm asking because i'm currently running two loopers (either a > Boss DD-20, > >DD-6 or RC-20, depending on my mood) in series and i'm curious on whether > >their positions in my line of effects pedals is making the best use of > >them. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5Ma1v02713; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:35:59 EST Subject: in answer to several questions (boomerang & two loopers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i no longer have the original e-mails 1. i have my boomerang being fed from my aux send on my mackie mixer, the main line out of the rang is sent to an alesis air fx (if you do this, make sure the jack coming out of the rang is NOT stereo) i have a mono 1/4 in. jack splitting into two mono "RCA's" going into the alesis, this then goes from the alesis as two RCA's into two 1/4 in. jacks going into the mackie into its very own channel.....the aux out on the rang goes RCA to 1/4 in. into the mackie into its very own channel.....this way i have an effected loop and an uneffected loop that i can play with.....i can not understand why you are having the problems with your mixer, it should work as you describe 2. i run my loopers in series, as matt mentioned, this is a quick way to build up thick sounding loops.....an example: short loop on the electrix mo-fx which can be sent to the rang.....you can then stop the loop on the mo-fx and just have the rang play it or let it continue to play and have it go out of phase (the mo and rang are not midi hip).....i have never played with my loopers in parallel.....every thing ends up in my rang.....just experiment From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 18:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5NQwf12431; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:26:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:26:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 23:26:52.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[439F0560:01C3BB87] Resent-Message-ID: <1KkpDC.A.FCD.CRR0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glenn, Yeah my shoes of choice for looping are Vans (the blue Rowley's). If i wear boots i am totally scewed! peace -matt >From: "Glenn Poorman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #823 >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:41:59 -0500 > > > Oh.. and the pedals on the FC-200 feel fine. I haven't > > really noticed a difference between that and the EDP pedal. > >Actually, I have noticed a bit of a difference and I think I prefer >the FC-200 pedals. There is just a little more meat to them. With >the EDP controller, I've always tried to keep my rack within good >eye shot so that I could visually confirm that an operation took >place just because the EFC7 buttons are so soft. Then, in an extra >bit of wierdness, a month or so ago I bought a new pair of shoes. >The toes are turned up just a bit more than on my old shoes and, >for several days, I found myself missing the EFC7 buttons. I actually >had to practice my button pushes again. > >Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 18:49:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB5NiGJ16250; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <159.2933204e.2d027241@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:01 EST Subject: stompbox loopers To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy, I use a zvex lo-fi looper into a line6 dl6. I have all my distortion/modulation/tremelo/overdrive stuff before the zvex. I also have a mixer w/ a jamman and a lexicon multi-effects. So I guess I'm a series/parallel kind of looper. Enjoy the snow loops! =-) PJ --part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy,
    I use a zvex lo-fi looper into a line6 dl6. I have all my= distortion/modulation/tremelo/overdrive stuff before the zvex. I also have=20= a mixer w/ a jamman and a lexicon multi-effects. So I guess I'm a series/par= allel kind of looper. Enjoy the snow loops! =3D-) PJ
--part1_159.2933204e.2d027241_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:21:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB60J0F22982; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c3bb8e$a9555d80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: "UN" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:19:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.223.248] at Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:18:56 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael - Thank you for your really kind words on "UN." The response from fellow = Loopers-Delight readers who recently received "UN" has been very = encouraging. It's been a real shot in the arm. =20 After so many attempts to connect to labels and such for my rock bands, = I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible marketer of my music. I'm = regularly praised by people who hear this music, but I don't know where = to turn to help getting it released short of funding pressing and = distribution myself. So, if anyone here can suggest = people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most obliged! =20 Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 CD's recorded and mastered and = awaiting funding to put them out. =20 1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, you guessed it, 9.9.99 2) EP - stuff from 2000, and tracks from 9.9.99 that didn't sequence=20 3) 2000 4) Unreleased: 2001-2003 David Kirkdorffer P.S. I have a few more boxes of UN and DEUX sitting about - if you'd = like copies, please reply OFF LIST ONLY PLEASE with a suitable mailing = address, and I'll pop something in the post to you. Merry Christmas = from avid in Boston! HO HO HO :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: "UN" > just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven = tracs=20 > of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in = nature but=20 > with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this = music and=20 > forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see = david=20 > play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i = say=20 > undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david = recorded from=20 > 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael -
 
Thank you for your really kind words on = "UN."   The response from fellow Loopers-Delight readers who = recently=20 received "UN" has been very encouraging.  It's been a real shot in = the=20 arm. 
 
After so many attempts to connect to = labels and=20 such for my rock bands, I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible = marketer of=20 my music.  I'm regularly praised by people who hear this music, but = I don't=20 know where to turn to help getting it released short of funding pressing = and=20 distribution myself.   So, if anyone here can suggest=20 people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most=20 obliged! 
 
Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 CD's = recorded and=20 mastered and awaiting funding to put them out. 
 
1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, you = guessed=20 it, 9.9.99
2) EP - stuff from 2000, and = tracks from=20 9.9.99 that didn't sequence
3) 2000
4) Unreleased: 2001-2003
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
P.S.  I have a few more = boxes of UN=20 and DEUX sitting about - if you'd like copies, please reply OFF LIST = ONLY PLEASE=20 with a suitable mailing address, and I'll pop something in the post to=20 you.  Merry Christmas from avid in Boston!   HO HO = HO =20   :-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: <Nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08=20 PM
Subject: "UN"

> just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a=20 treat.....seven tracs
> of  very interesting textures coming = from a=20 guitar.....ambient in nature but
> with a nice sense of = melody.....easy=20 to drift off listening to this music and
> forgetting that it is = guitar,=20 really well done.....i would love to see david
> play and get a = better=20 understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say
> = undoing.....THANKS=20 DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david recorded from =
>=20 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing = today!.....michael
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BB64.BFF90E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB60huS27802; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:43:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031205174837.007c9dd0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:48:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: "UN" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3XU9v.A.PyG.MZS0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Had the pleasure of meeting David K in CT last week, so we could go over Loop IV on the plex', and -was warmly gifted with several of his CDs. So am looking forward to curling up with them this weekend. Thanks David, for the terrific company, and the great music! -and thanks Michael, for the recommendation. David is definitely a most talented and instinctive player. I've definitely enjoyed what I've heard so far both in person and on the discs I've been able to catch so far. -can't wait for the rest!... TTFN CQ At 05:08 PM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote: >just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven tracs >of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature but >with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music and >forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david >play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say >undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david recorded from >1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB60oNK28884; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:50:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.14.232.148] X-Originating-Email: [vibraphonic_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: vibraphonic_@hotmail.com From: "s. morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:50:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2003 00:50:17.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAF0BA10:01C3BB92] Resent-Message-ID: <83q5wD.A.LDH.PfS0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


who's rig is the photo of in the dead? weir or herring?

2 echoplexes in the dead is interesting!

shane
>From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: looper people >Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:15:54 -0800 > >havent heard the present band but this photo is interesting... >http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm >


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB616Px31220; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3bb95$48bd69c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031205174837.007c9dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "UN" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:07:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.223.248] at Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:06:21 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara - After seeing your command of EDP capabilities leaning toward "sociable" music-making last week, I feel like a complete EDP novice! I'm still trying to grok all that I picked up last week. Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check it out. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Quinn" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: "UN" > Had the pleasure of meeting David K in CT last week, so we could go over > Loop IV on the plex', and -was warmly gifted with several of his CDs. So > am looking forward to curling up with them this weekend. Thanks David, for > the terrific company, and the great music! -and thanks Michael, for the > recommendation. David is definitely a most talented and instinctive > player. I've definitely enjoyed what I've heard so far both in person and > on the discs I've been able to catch so far. -can't wait for the rest!... > > TTFN > > CQ > > At 05:08 PM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote: > >just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven tracs > >of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature but > >with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music > and > >forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david > >play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say > >undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david > recorded from > >1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > > > > > > > --- > > View my online portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 21:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB62U9513744; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:31:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Damn thing! From: Ben Grossman To: loopers-delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4DC53C57-2794-11D8-8F19-003065635F0E@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AHA! I got the FCB1010 working with my Repeater! Thank you all who offered advice, encouragement and help. I figured the stupid thing out, finally. I can credit the pig-headed, obsessive part of me too. I guess I wouldn't still be a looping hurdy gurdy player if it wasn't for that part... ...I still resent that part of my (ageing) brain is now taken up with this nonsense! Thanks again to you all! ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 03:37:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB68YVg11478; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031206002923.02930cc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:40:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9oe-iB.A.OzC.XSZ0_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably Bob Weir. he started using echoplexes I think about six months or so ago. kim At 04:50 PM 12/5/2003, s. morris wrote: >who's rig is the photo of in the dead? weir or herring? > >2 echoplexes in the dead is interesting! > >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: looper > people >Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... >Date: Fri, 05 Dec > 2003 13:15:54 -0800 > >havent heard the present band but this photo is > interesting... >http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 03:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB68tVJ14572; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:55:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:55:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:55:26 -0800 Subject: Re: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031206002923.02930cc8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it says 'bobs rack' right thar in the url :-) > probably Bob Weir. he started using echoplexes I think about six months or > so ago. > kim > > At 04:50 PM 12/5/2003, s. morris wrote: >> who's rig is the photo of in the dead? weir or herring? >> >> 2 echoplexes in the dead is interesting! > >>> From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: looper >> people >Subject: i didnt know 'the dead' loop'd... >Date: Fri, 05 Dec >> 2003 13:15:54 -0800 > >havent heard the present band but this photo is >> interesting... >http://dozin.com/bobs/rack/front.htm > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 06:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6Bon310674; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:50:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:50:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030001c3bbef$2e1c99b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312050745.hB57jqx21847@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FS: used DL-4 modeller/looper Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:50:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a used DL-4 modeller/looper pedal for sale on www.craigslist.com for $150. I've actually never seen a used one before, so if someone once to score a great simple looper for $100 less than it normally costs, get on over there. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 08:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6DpGL01112; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD1DED0.9070901@biink.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:51:12 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , ":: ambient way" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "extremeNY@topica.com" , Ohmbient list , "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Postponed: E. Willamsburg, Brooklyn: An Evening of Improvisation 12/6 - da weather! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh oh....big double punch snow storm....December 6th, 2003 concert in East Williamsburg postponed until some future date, due to blizzard conditions! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 12:08:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6H5oe16400; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <49.373433e6.2d03665b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:05:31 EST Subject: Re: "UN" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/03 8:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: > Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check > it out. > well if the dear lass would be so kind to let us poor EASTERNERS know when she is coming to our areas that would be a given.....:).....michael p.s. always room at CASA KLOBUCHAR in snowy PITTSBURGH for wayfareing loopers! --part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/5/0= 3 8:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes:


Anyone with an opportunity to s= ee Cara loop would be well advised to check
it out.


well if the dear lass would be so kind to let us poor EASTERNERS know when s= he is coming to our areas that would be a given.....:).....michael
p.s. always room at CASA KLOBUCHAR in snowy PITTSBURGH for wayfareing looper= s!
--part1_49.373433e6.2d03665b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6IBPZ32079; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: EDP BrotherSync Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: EDP BrotherSync Thread-Index: AcO8JIUBvzAGG2KTQCqU03pG4ah1jA== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2003 18:12:30.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[8362CA40:01C3BC24] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB6IBPW32057 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just an update here in case anyone is interested. I followed Matthias' advice and contacted Andy for some new crystals. He sent me two sets. Since one of my units is brand new, he suggested only replacing the crystals in the old one. I did that this morning, fed a loop into the stereo pair, and left the room for a good half hour. Upon my return, the two units were perfectly in sync. Thanks Matthias and Andy for your help. Glenn (www.detroitstick.com) > some EDPs of different ages really dont sync up at sample level. > the solution is to replace the crystals. > the easiest is to x-replace between the two units so that Y1 of the > older unit is exchanged with the Y2 of the older, but this may cause > the units not to start up the first time you switch them on and still > does not garantee you are syncable to the new units once you meet > another brother. > > so the good way is to replace all 4 cristals by some new ones you can > get from Shane or Andy . > I personally think it would be nice of Gibson to give them for free, > but dont expect Shane or Andy to do so, because they both work > independent of Gibson. > > I have a lot more about BrotherSync in my pipe line here, but no time... > :-( > > hope you are all well and looping > Matthias > > >Hello all, > > > >I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives > >for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite > >a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a > >second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've > >noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my > >right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop > >plays. > > > >My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one > >EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out > >of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable > >connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters > >are identical on the two machines including the sync > >which is set to "Out". > > > >From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty > >of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so > >I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders. > > > >Any insight would be most welcome. > > > >Thanks, > >Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6INSq02393; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:23:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:23:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: Subject: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:23:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm in the process of producing a video installation, which will consist = of several screens / speakers playing loops of corresponding sound and = image. For example, one source might be someone clapping a rhythm, with = the sound looping one bar, with video of the person's hands looping a = slightly shorter section, such that they move in and out of phase with = each other gradually. There will be maybe five screens playing at the = same time, each of which will also phase with eachother. Obviously, I'm = greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and other = loop-based music. I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of = installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to = similar or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts = about what I am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I'm in the process of producing a video = installation, which will consist of several screens / speakers playing = loops of=20 corresponding sound and image.  For example, one source might be = someone=20 clapping a rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with video of = the=20 person's hands looping a slightly shorter section, such that they move = in and=20 out of phase with each other gradually.  There will be maybe five = screens=20 playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with = eachother. =20 Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and = other=20 loop-based music.  I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of = installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to = similar or=20 related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I am = trying=20 to, that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3BC26.05A1E120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6IsoI09274; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c3bc2a$6a2bce90$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: <71.388242c6.2d037d38@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:54:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's for my university course... something of an academic exercise, at least for the now, it will be in my front room and possibly in the computer room at college. I'm at university in London, and will be doing a finals show in the spring, probably with a somewhat different kind of sound installation. Perhaps I ought to try and actually look for places to show my work generally - this is something that I wouldn't mind people actually seeing / hearing, and I face the prospect of graduation soon. Maybe I'll set up a web page some time and let people get stuff from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Looping sound and image > peter.....where are you going to do this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 13:58:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6IsuD09315; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:54:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c3bc2a$8fb72a60$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:55:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.192.47] at Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:54:53 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some links on loops and art installations... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200105/msg00137.html http://www.creativesynth.com/opinion/103_Installations/Installations.html= The San Francisco Exploratorium installation had a soundtrack that = consisted of loops of varying lengths, on auto-repeat cassette decks = playing non synchronously. So he had four cassette decks playing = different length loops in 8 different channels (as far as I could tell = they were not "stereo" mixes on the tapes but actually two different = non-synchronous tracks), and then he localized the channels through = speakers scattered through the installations so standing at any one spot = you would hear a blend of loops through different speakers. These = "loops" were actually fairly long, and the "soundtrack" itself was = essentially one huge loop - Eno guestimated that it would take some 127 = weeks for the loop to precisely repeat itself. But from a listener = perspective repetetive elements were pretty recognizable. It sounds like = Eno may have used the same source material at various locations, but = each random configuration of the starting of the cassettes would create = a fairly unique juxtaposition of the source loops.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Todd=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Looping sound and image Hi, I'm in the process of producing a video installation, which will = consist of several screens / speakers playing loops of corresponding = sound and image. For example, one source might be someone clapping a = rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with video of the person's hands = looping a slightly shorter section, such that they move in and out of = phase with each other gradually. There will be maybe five screens = playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with eachother. = Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and = other loop-based music. I don't know how aware anyone on this list is = of installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to = similar or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts = about what I am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some links on loops and art=20 installations...
 
ht= tp://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200105/msg00137.html
http://www.creativesynth.com/opinion/103_Installations/Installa= tions.html
 

The San Francisco Exploratorium installation had a soundtrack that = consisted of=20 loops of varying lengths, on auto-repeat cassette decks playing non=20 synchronously. So he had four cassette decks playing different length = loops in 8=20 different channels (as far as I could tell they were not "stereo" mixes = on the=20 tapes but actually two different non-synchronous tracks), and then he = localized=20 the channels through speakers scattered through the installations so = standing at=20 any one spot you would hear a blend of loops through different speakers. = These=20 "loops" were actually fairly long, and the "soundtrack" itself was = essentially=20 one huge loop - Eno guestimated that it would take some 127 weeks for = the loop=20 to precisely repeat itself. But from a listener perspective repetetive = elements=20 were pretty recognizable. It sounds like Eno may have used the same = source=20 material at various locations, but each random configuration of the = starting of=20 the cassettes would create a fairly unique juxtaposition of the source = loops.=20

 

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Todd
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 1:23=20 PM
Subject: Looping sound and = image

Hi,
 
I'm in the process of producing a = video=20 installation, which will consist of several screens / speakers playing = loops=20 of corresponding sound and image.  For example, one source might = be=20 someone clapping a rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with = video of=20 the person's hands looping a slightly shorter section, such that they = move in=20 and out of phase with each other gradually.  There will be maybe = five=20 screens playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with=20 eachother.  Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's = early tape=20 pieces, and other loop-based music.  I don't know how aware = anyone on=20 this list is of installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can = refer=20 me to similar or related work or literature, or simply share any = thoughts=20 about what I am trying to, that would be greatly = appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3BC00.A6640320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 14:36:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6JYAa16136; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3bc2f$e8bf45c0$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> <006401c3bc2a$8fb72a60$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:34:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks David, that's useful. I don't know if people here know of = 'Longplayer' by Jem Finer, too; a loop-based composition designed to = play for exactly one thousand years before repeating itself, that's been = going since 2000. It's supposed to stream on the web, but they seem = incapable of making that happen, unfortunately. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Some links on loops and art installations... . ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks David, that's useful.  I = don't know=20 if people here know of 'Longplayer' by Jem Finer, too; a loop-based = composition designed to play for exactly one thousand years before = repeating=20 itself, that's been going since 2000.  It's supposed to stream on = the web,=20 but they seem incapable of making that happen, = unfortunately.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 6:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Looping sound and=20 image

Some links on loops and art=20 installations...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3BC2F.E88E71C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 15:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6KPRu27820; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c3bc38$b4c97d40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Arms Full of Sound Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:37:03 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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"sub.terra" is available now through ping things at http://www.pingthings.com rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 15:57:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6KsTB02934; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:54:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c3bc3b$21b8aff0$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:54:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, that was one of the first pieces 'like that' I was really = drawn in by the idea of it (even though it seemed quite banal in a way, = too, and I wasn't too fussed about general melenial hype). I dunno. = It's a nice piece. Sounds alright as well (at least the minute or so = I've heard of it). I'm not going to regail you with my own thoughts = about it; that'd really put you off. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: | SquidLoop |=20 To: 'Peter Todd'=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Looping sound and image I never understood the art in things like that J =20 'Longplayer' by Jem Finer, too; a loop-based composition designed to = play for exactly one thousand years before repeating itself ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, that was one of the first = pieces 'like=20 that' I was really drawn in by the idea of it (even though it = seemed=20 quite banal in a way, too, and I wasn't too fussed about general = melenial=20 hype).  I dunno.  It's a nice piece.  Sounds alright as = well (at=20 least the minute or so I've heard of it).  I'm not going to regail = you with=20 my own thoughts about it; that'd really put you off.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 |=20 SquidLoop |
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 8:28=20 PM
Subject: RE: Looping sound and=20 image

I never = understood=20 the art in things like that J

 

'Longplayer' by Jem=20 Finer, too; a loop-based composition designed to play for exactly one = thousand=20 years before repeating=20 itself
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3BC3B.219103B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 16:27:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6LPX708998; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <21cb01c3bc41$1d841f40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> <006401c3bc2a$8fb72a60$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:37:14 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The images were not looped but the sounds were (and randomized, as well as looped, to produce a theoretically almost infinite soundscape) in this installation we mounted in Dec.1996. http://www.dreamstate.to/between_realities.htm Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Saturday, 06 December, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Some links on loops and art installations... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200105/msg00137.html http://www.creativesynth.com/opinion/103_Installations/Installations.html The San Francisco Exploratorium installation had a soundtrack that consisted of loops of varying lengths, on auto-repeat cassette decks playing non synchronously. So he had four cassette decks playing different length loops in 8 different channels (as far as I could tell they were not "stereo" mixes on the tapes but actually two different non-synchronous tracks), and then he localized the channels through speakers scattered through the installations so standing at any one spot you would hear a blend of loops through different speakers. These "loops" were actually fairly long, and the "soundtrack" itself was essentially one huge loop - Eno guestimated that it would take some 127 weeks for the loop to precisely repeat itself. But from a listener perspective repetetive elements were pretty recognizable. It sounds like Eno may have used the same source material at various locations, but each random configuration of the starting of the cassettes would create a fairly unique juxtaposition of the source loops. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Todd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Looping sound and image Hi, I'm in the process of producing a video installation, which will consist of several screens / speakers playing loops of corresponding sound and image. For example, one source might be someone clapping a rhythm, with the sound looping one bar, with video of the person's hands looping a slightly shorter section, such that they move in and out of phase with each other gradually. There will be maybe five screens playing at the same time, each of which will also phase with eachother. Obviously, I'm greatly inspired by Steve Reich's early tape pieces, and other loop-based music. I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to similar or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 16:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6LTsq09891; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:32:53 -0500 Subject: As if you were planning on leaving your house tonight-- From: Dan Soltzberg To: ghost 7 / Orange events Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3153573174_1231235" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153573174_1231235 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi fans-- Although the Zeitgeist, like the post office, is not to be deterred by the weather, I am, and thus will not be playing tonight. Call Zeitgeist at 617.876.6060 for the latest status of this evening=B9s show if you still need your fix of improvised music for the week-- Andrew D=92Angelo & MORTHANA are likely to be happening, as well as whichever members of Node are able to snowshoe over to the Gallery. Be well and warm. Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com =20 --B_3153573174_1231235 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable As if you were planning on leaving your house tonight-- Hi fans--


Although the Zeitgeist, like the post office, is not to be deterred by the = weather, I am, and thus will not be playing tonight.

Call Zeitgeist at    617.876.6060  
for the latest status of this e= vening’s show if you still need your fix of improvised music for the w= eek--
Andrew D?Angelo & MORTHANA are likely to be happening, as well as which= ever members of Node are able to snowshoe over to the Gallery.


Be well and warm.


Dan


--
ghost 7/ Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com


--B_3153573174_1231235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 18:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB6NOg527466; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031206162817.007d5a60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:28:17 -0700 To: "Peter Todd" From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c3bc26$07b298b0$0e00000a@ptmob> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was involved in something like this for Halloween 2002, where we had about five slightly different mixes of the same loop-based piece of slightly differing lengths playing simultaneously in various rooms of an old house which was turned into a haunted house for the occasion. So, in the main room of the house, you could hear a mix of all of the sources playing together and then from there, could move into each room in turn. It was pretty amazing how randomly coherent the overall music and sound was, considering the happen-stance nature of the idea. I'm not sure this is much help, but I can certainly connect you with the person whose idea it was, who's done more like that as well, if you'd like. Have a great weekend!... TTFN CQ At 06:23 PM 12/6/03 -0000, you wrote: > Hi, I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of >installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to similar >or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I >am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 19:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB70QCg07129; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031206172954.007979e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:29:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: "UN" In-Reply-To: <003701c3bb95$48bd69c0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <3.0.5.32.20031205174837.007c9dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks so much David, you're very kind. If you'd like to do it again sometime, I can certainly let ya know when I'll be back, and perhaps we can play a gig or house concert or something together as well if you'd like. Feel free to e-mail me as well, if you need any further clarification on anything we chatted about last week. You might also check out Andre's website, as he's taken alot of time and trouble to detail pretty much every echoplex function there is. -and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to help out truly interested loopers with questions. So, which realm are you working in these days? Cara's World, Cara with Sprinkles, (I'll have to chat with a photog about creating this image! lol! -way fun!!!) or David's World? To the list, David referred to more sociable music, since I tend to use the plex' with other musicians in mind, working with it very dynamically to keep it a living part of the mix, as another musician would be, rather than just a repetitious noisy thing going on over and over and over again in the background that we'd all better play to or else sound bad. lol! I don't let loops play unchanged for very long at all, and in most cases, not even one iteration of a loop, unless I'm soloing or backing out completely to balance a mix with others. And I also have gotten somewhat used to dealing with drummers who either can't hear a loop well enough or don't quite know what to listen for, so will always be aware of synching on the fly in a number of ways to keep the loop from getting away from the music. -or again, sounding bad. So I tend to really focus on blending the plex in with a situation rather than necessarily being the situation. Does that make sense? -thus more sociable music. Anyway, thanks again David, -and please lemme' know how things are going wicha', K? bye bye, Cara At 08:07 PM 12/5/03 -0500, you wrote: >Cara - > >After seeing your command of EDP capabilities leaning toward "sociable" >music-making last week, I feel like a complete EDP novice! >I'm still trying to grok all that I picked up last week. > >Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check >it out. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cara Quinn" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:48 PM >Subject: Re: "UN" > > >> Had the pleasure of meeting David K in CT last week, so we could go over >> Loop IV on the plex', and -was warmly gifted with several of his CDs. So >> am looking forward to curling up with them this weekend. Thanks David, >for >> the terrific company, and the great music! -and thanks Michael, for the >> recommendation. David is definitely a most talented and instinctive >> player. I've definitely enjoyed what I've heard so far both in person and >> on the discs I've been able to catch so far. -can't wait for the rest!... >> >> TTFN >> >> CQ >> >> At 05:08 PM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote: >> >just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a treat.....seven >tracs >> >of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in nature >but >> >with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music >> and >> >forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see >david >> >play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i say >> >undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that david >> recorded from >> >1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> View my online portfolio at: >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 >> -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:01:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB70x9w16212; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031206180252.009e7210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:02:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: "UN" In-Reply-To: <49.373433e6.2d03665b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael!, *laughing* How do ya think David heard about me coming?! lol! I thought I posted it. -but for future, I'll definitely let the list know where and when I'll be, if you guys would like. So, since my geographical sense is ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS! lol! Where is Pittsburgh in relation to Phili? I have a friend who'd desperately like me to come and play there, so if I could perhaps schedule a photo shoot or little gig or house concert or somethin' in addition to seeing my friend, I'd love to make a stop in Pburgh and Phili either on the way to NYC or CT, or on the way back. I'm actually planning to come that way again very soon, perhaps for the holidays, or at the latest, mid Jan. Thanks for the offer of lodging. Do you have an extra room or something? Would putting together a performance or something be a likely proposition? Anyway, thanks again for your interest, and hopefully we can be in contact. Catch ya laters... TTFN CQ At 12:05 PM 12/6/03 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/5/03 8:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, >vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: > > > Anyone with an opportunity to see Cara loop would be well advised to check > it out. > > > > well if the dear lass would be so kind to let us poor EASTERNERS know when >she is coming to our areas that would be a given.....:).....michael > p.s. always room at CASA KLOBUCHAR in snowy PITTSBURGH for wayfareing >loopers! --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB71WLs25171; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:32:02 -0500 Subject: Anybody interested? From: quadraloop To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Please visit www.quadraloop.com and let me know if this would be an interesting software for you. I am almost finished but need some polishing... This is a real-time looping software for performance and sound design. Respond to: info@quadraloop.com Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB71lub28746; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:47:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c3bc62$ecfe1fc0$97661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <49.373433e6.2d03665b@aol.com> Subject: Re: storm, Cd Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:39:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, are you warm and dry??? Sounds like quite a storm coming to the = east. One is predicated here, but not in your league or scale. Did you = get the CD I sent you yet? Let me know your thoughts on the piece I want = to use. Something else you would prefer from it? Robin ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael, are you warm and dry??? = Sounds like=20 quite a storm coming to the east. One is predicated here, but not in = your league=20 or scale. Did you get the CD I sent you yet? Let me know your thoughts = on the=20 piece I want to use. Something else you would prefer from it?=20 Robin
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3BC1F.DE117540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 23:54:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB74q0d05685; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:51:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Tacoma]: Festival of Unruly Music, Sunday December 7th From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <166BD740-2871-11D8-93B4-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be doing some ambient electric looping at this show tomorrow evening, and the other performers are all fairly loop-enabled: Quiet Music Cultivation presents The First Annual Tacoma Festival of Unruly Music Tacoma, Abbey Ballroom, 1901 S. Fawcett, 6 pm, $5. "Featuring some of the best composers and sound artists in the Pacific Northwest: biostatic (trumpet,loops), Noancer (loops, beats), inBoil (laptop), Noggin (violin and guitar), jhababa (synthesis), Tiktok (guitar), and other surprises and guests. This evening is both a tribute and synopsis of our first year promoting creative music in Tacoma." Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 00:21:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB75I5T13446; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <165.28cdc174.2d041207@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:17:59 EST Subject: Re: storm, Cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/03 8:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > Did you get the CD I sent you yet? robin.....not yet.....perhaps monday.....only 7 in. of snow here, sort of nice to look at.....i sent you a cd during the week, keep your eyes open for it.....michael --part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/6/0= 3 8:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


Did you get the CD I sent you y= et?


robin.....not yet.....perhaps monday.....only 7 in. of snow here, sort of ni= ce to look at.....i sent you a cd during the week, keep your eyes open for i= t.....michael
--part1_165.28cdc174.2d041207_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:28:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7FPnG12543; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:27:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Anybody interested? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: info@quadraloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ben Grossman In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello there, Your software looks interesting, but unfortunately there is very little information on your site about what it does and how it works. Of particular interest to me (and, I suspect, other members of this group): does it work with live inputs through an external device (firewire, for instance) or just sound files on your hard drive? At what bit depth and sample rate? Can it send the loops to multiple outputs? Is there MIDI control of all of the controls? Can the four loopers be run at independent lengths and tempos, or can they only be locked together? If the answers to these questions is yes, then you might be a very busy software designer soon! Regards, ben On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, quadraloop wrote: > Hello, > > Please visit www.quadraloop.com > > and let me know if this would be an interesting software for you. > > I am almost finished but need some polishing... > > This is a real-time looping software for performance and sound design. > > Respond to: info@quadraloop.com > > Thanks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:44:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7Ff7g16151; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:41:57 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: space music retreat In-reply-to: <99.3feabb3b.2cee4fb7@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3FD34A45.3060604@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <99.3feabb3b.2cee4fb7@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SYNAPTIC CONFLUENCE space music retreat May 3-7 2004 Sky Lake Lodge, Rosendale NY There will be a retreat for electronic musicians at a secluded lodge in the Catskills of NY state. Anyone who is interested in sharing 4 days of space, ambient, electronic and experimental music is invited to participate. Musical activities will include individual performances, group improvisations, and collaborations. This is a great opportunity to develop creative ideas and broaden your musical community, while relaxing in a peaceful, natural setting. Non-musicians are also welcome. The registration fee of $320 will cover 4 nights lodging and 3 meals a day. Details are available here: http://spacemusic.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:49:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7Fmge18229; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:48:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:48:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:50:05 -0500 Subject: Re: The International Live Looping Hurdy Gurdiest Guild: first meeting, Northern American Chapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: loopers-delight To: "loop.pool" From: Ben Grossman In-Reply-To: <02cf01c3bbdb$ad7a4810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <06D4F5C0-28CD-11D8-B9F9-003065635F0E@sympatico.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <1VISBB.A.scE.av00_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, OK! Is there anyone else out there playing and looping hurdy gurdy? I'd better start working on a secret hand shake and decoder ring. If all goes well, I'll be touring around the US this April with an act form California. If this happens, I'd love to be able to say hello to all of you far-flung American loopers. I'll let you know how this shapes up. And that will be the best way to trade music since even clearly labelled promotional CDs can get held up at the border! Thanks for the info, Rick. I like your stuff on the site! Regards, ben On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 04:31 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Hey Ben, > > I just wanted to let you know that a really good instrument builder > that I > know (Michael Murphy) > attempted to make me a hurdy gurdy from scratch. > He failed in the attempt but what I have is a hurdy gurdy-esque > instrument > that is really whiny and wheezy. > It sounds like a hurdy gurdy if trent reznor had designed it. I > love the > thing but it is probably more appropriate for > noise music than anything else. > > Just wanted to let you know that there is one other ersatz looping > hurdigurdiest on the planet....................lol > > Love to hear your music sometime. a trade? > > yours, Rick Walker > (www.looppool.info you can check it out to hear the > craziness > that I do, musically: the latest CD being all live). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Grossman" > To: "loopers-delight" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: Damn thing! > > >> AHA! I got the FCB1010 working with my Repeater! >> >> Thank you all who offered advice, encouragement and help. I figured >> the stupid thing out, finally. I can credit the pig-headed, obsessive >> part of me too. I guess I wouldn't still be a looping hurdy gurdy >> player if it wasn't for that part... >> >> >> >> >> ...I still resent that part of my (ageing) brain is now taken up with >> this nonsense! >> >> >> Thanks again to you all! >> >> >> ben >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 12:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7HEj405367; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:14:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:14:26 -0500 From: Mistsojorn@aol.com To: akashmusicnewsgroup@yahoogroups.com, phillygrooves@yahoogroups.com, phillyshows@yahoogroups.com, emerge@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, phiba-improv@topica.com Subject: 12/12: Gate to Moonbase Alpha-Philadelphia MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48035473.2915B0E1.0C142C04@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.236.18.253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB7HEjW05345 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri. 12/12, 8pm-12am: Gate to Moonbase Alpha Free admission, all ages. The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut St., Phila., www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234 Music from:  Mike Tamburo (solo performance!): Mike excelled in such ambient bands as Meisha, and Arco Flute Foundation, and recently finished several solo  recordings incorporating 6 and 12 string acoustic guitar, tibetan bowl, accordion, bells, electronics, dog brush, vocals, percussion, tape recorder, harmonica, melodica, electric guitar, effects, piano, bowed instruments, and vibraphone. Adelante: Trio consisting of Paul Mimlitsch, Jody Janetta, and Dan Osterweil One approach Paul uses utilizes various signal processors and looping devices to create evolving collages of sound ("soundscapes") that serve as both back-drops to original compositions and as stimuli for further exploration/ improvisation. The textures and moods created along this stream of consciousness journey can range from ambient/ meditative to jagged/unsettling, from "straight ahead" to "out". Jody has been a professional musician and educator for the past 30 years. Much of Jody’s performing revolves around his first loves: Jazz and Free Improvisation, in which he performs on both Drum Set and Hand Percussion (Tabla, Djembe, Darbuka, Timbales, Congas, Bongos, etc.). Jody is the founding member of Adelante, whose compositions fuse elements of Jazz, World, Ambient/Electronic, and 20th Century Classical forms.  Dan Osterweil is a multi-instrumentalist/ composer who is featured in Adelante, on Saxophones (7 types) and Flutes (including Recorders and stone flutes). Dan studied and performed at The Creative Music Studio with Don Cherry, Anthony Braxton, Jack DeJohnette, George Russell, John Cage, Allen Ginsburg, and others. http://hometown.aol.com/pmimlitsch/index.html, http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html Anti:Clockwise: About his own breed of music, entitled "Uglient," Anti:Clockwise writes, "…as in real life mistakes are made. once sampled these lapses can never be ignored. they return again and again until eventually they're woven into the fabric of the whole and assimilated…uglient is the melding of the carefully chosen and wantonly blurted out thrown together by misshapen fate or lackluster luck. uglient is the walkman headphones guy on the subway, singing very loud and very sharp off the mark, oblivious… written anew at every show..."  http://www.Tensionheadache.org Mindwarp Pavillion:  Mindwarp Pavilion is synthesist David Lunt (Pretty Poison, Nightcrawlers) and Tim Larsen on bass and synths. Together, they perform loop based techno music with Ambient/Space passages.  Tying together the rhythms which they've dubbed 'Space and Bass', their music is driven from pop culture which includes humor and interpretation of some classics from the 50's to the 90's. +Performance art using everything and the kitchen sink, from The Great Quentini. What more can we say? Everything is sacred and anything is fair game for this 20th Century alchemist. Barbies, nature, political idiosyncrasies, invasions of the world, it's all there. +Free vegetarian buffet from Chef Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 12:32:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7HSZh09112; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:28:25 EST Subject: Re: space music retreat To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/03 10:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > http://spacemusic.us > > yikes does this look like fun.....i would just hope that on the last day they do not sacrifice a "live looper" to the lake gods....."CHILDREN OF THE LOOP" opening CHRISTMAS day in a theater near you.....:).....michael --part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/7/0= 3 10:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes:


http://spacemusic.us



yikes does this look like fun.....i would just hope that on the last day the= y do not sacrifice a "live looper" to the lake gods....."CHILDREN OF THE LOO= P" opening CHRISTMAS day in a theater near you.....:).....michael
--part1_1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 12:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7HUVZ09698; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:30:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:30:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Replacing With Multiply on Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:30:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcO858ZfTSldK6hRRCuCjs6jfP3kVQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings List! I have successfully written a pair of patches using the Digitech PMC-10 to replace loops in the EDP, so I thot I'd share-- Pretty simple really--one momentary switch is multiply on press, 0 feedback on release--the second is multiply on press, 127 feedback on release. The momentary feature is so you don't affect any portion of the loop you don't want to . . . So for example, if I create a loop using record, say a melody, and end record with the first switch, it will play the melody while I layer chords. I can then end with switch two and the melody has disappeared. The loop will be at full feedback, and so will play until prompted otherwise. I'm doing it this way as I am using another EDP for percussion parts, and Brother sync wants to see the cycles stay the same (so I can't loop window to do the same thing), and needs a cycle to reset the clock (so I can't just start recording cold during playback). Many thanks again to Sean Echevarria for Raymond, the fabulous PC editing tool for the PMC. Not doing much looping these days, but am playing out a lot. Hope the holidays are bringing joy to all-- Relay ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings=20 List!
I have = successfully=20 written a pair of patches using the Digitech PMC-10 to replace loops in = the EDP,=20 so I thot I'd share--
Pretty = simple=20 really--one momentary switch is multiply on press, 0 feedback on = release--the=20 second is multiply on press, 127 feedback on = release.
The = momentary=20 feature is so you don't affect any portion of the loop you don't want to = . .=20 .
So for = example, if I=20 create a loop using record, say a melody, and end record with the first = switch,=20 it will play the melody while I layer chords.  I can then end with = switch=20 two and the melody has disappeared.  The loop will be at full = feedback, and=20 so will play until prompted otherwise.
I'm = doing it this=20 way as I am using another EDP for percussion parts, and Brother sync = wants to=20 see the cycles stay the same (so I can't loop window to do the same = thing),=20 and needs a cycle to reset the clock (so I can't just start recording = cold=20 during playback).
Many = thanks again to=20 Sean Echevarria for Raymond, the fabulous PC editing tool for the=20 PMC.
Not = doing much=20 looping these days, but am playing out a lot.  Hope the holidays = are=20 bringing joy to all--
Relay
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3BCA4.B97BC2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 13:16:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7IEZV23569; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:14:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:14:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Anybody interested? From: quadraloop To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for your comments, I will let you know when I update these technicalities, but most of your requests are implemented, except for the multiple output, but is easy to add as a feature. Live input (record sound while looping), computer inputs bit rate and sample rate, MIDI for all controls, including effects and four independent loopers (or synced)... Will keep you posted, Ivan On 07/12/03 10:27 AM, "Ben Grossman" wrote: > Hello there, > > Your software looks interesting, but unfortunately there is very > little information on your site about what it does and how it works. > Of particular interest to me (and, I suspect, other members of this > group): does it work with live inputs through an external device > (firewire, for instance) or just sound files on your hard drive? At > what bit depth and sample rate? Can it send the loops to multiple > outputs? Is there MIDI control of all of the controls? Can the four > loopers be run at independent lengths and tempos, or can they only be > locked together? > > If the answers to these questions is yes, then you might be a very busy > software designer soon! > > > Regards, > > > ben > > On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, quadraloop wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Please visit www.quadraloop.com >> >> and let me know if this would be an interesting software for you. >> >> I am almost finished but need some polishing... >> >> This is a real-time looping software for performance and sound design. >> >> Respond to: info@quadraloop.com >> >> Thanks. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 15:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7KP2521771; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:24:51 +0100 Subject: Re: space music retreat From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FD34A45.3060604@optonline.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_bUrBD.A.AUF.ey40_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-07 16.41, "Greg Waltzer" wrote: > SYNAPTIC CONFLUENCE > space music retreat > May 3-7 2004 > Sky Lake Lodge, Rosendale NY > > There will be a retreat for electronic musicians at a secluded lodge in > the Catskills of NY state. > Anyone who is interested in sharing 4 days of space, ambient, electronic > and experimental music is invited to participate. Musical activities > will include individual performances, group improvisations, and > collaborations. This is a great opportunity to develop creative ideas > and broaden your musical community, while relaxing in a peaceful, > natural setting. > > Non-musicians are also welcome. > The registration fee of $320 will cover 4 nights lodging and 3 meals a day. > > Details are available here: > http://spacemusic.us How awesome! If it wasn't for the geographical space I would have loved to chime in with the musical space! To all you space music fans out there I can report that Drone Zone at http://www.somafm.com/ is now running a space music stream. I have been enjoying it all day while working. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7NEV724409; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:14:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:14:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: Subject: Ahn Trio Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw the Ahn Trio perform for the first time the other night at the Annenberg Center in Philly. They're a top-notch classical trio that also plays very edgey contemporary pieces, sometimes very punk in their tones and rhythmic tensions. They were providing live accomp for the David Parsons dance ensemble. I went for the dance, not knowing there would be live music. During a famous dance piece called "Caught" (I think), in which the dancer displays amazing timing and technical skill while using a strobelight to create visusal effects of travelling through space, seemingly suspended off the ground, Angella Ahn provided solo violin accompaniment using a stomp loopbox with a loop period of about 15 seconds or so. She started off with very open, sparse ambient sounds from the violin, slowly adding elements that were more and more rhythmic as the dance picked up in pace and developed a noticeable rhythm. By the end she had a wonderfully full and rhythmic loop built up. It was amazing all around. Has anyone seen this? If any of you like dance, this is a great show to go see, for both the music and the dance. The tix to David Parsons shows are usually expensive, but I was able to volunteer for the show and get in free - a great way to see the show. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:58:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB7Nu7H02542; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c3bd1e$362d1aa0$92dd7044@sli.la.charter.com> From: "StuartF" To: References: <002d01c3bb8e$a9555d80$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: "UN" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:59:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I, too, have been on the receiving end of David's generosity. UN is a = great listen. Hard to believe it was all done on guitar and that no = synths were used. The power of looping, I guess. I'd take him up on the free copies if I were you.=20 Stuart ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: Re: "UN" Michael - Thank you for your really kind words on "UN." The response from = fellow Loopers-Delight readers who recently received "UN" has been very = encouraging. It's been a real shot in the arm. =20 After so many attempts to connect to labels and such for my rock = bands, I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible marketer of my = music. I'm regularly praised by people who hear this music, but I don't = know where to turn to help getting it released short of funding pressing = and distribution myself. So, if anyone here can suggest = people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most obliged! =20 Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 CD's recorded and mastered and = awaiting funding to put them out. =20 1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, you guessed it, 9.9.99 2) EP - stuff from 2000, and tracks from 9.9.99 that didn't sequence=20 3) 2000 4) Unreleased: 2001-2003 David Kirkdorffer P.S. I have a few more boxes of UN and DEUX sitting about - if you'd = like copies, please reply OFF LIST ONLY PLEASE with a suitable mailing = address, and I'll pop something in the post to you. Merry Christmas = from avid in Boston! HO HO HO :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: "UN" > just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a = treat.....seven tracs=20 > of very interesting textures coming from a guitar.....ambient in = nature but=20 > with a nice sense of melody.....easy to drift off listening to this = music and=20 > forgetting that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to = see david=20 > play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should = i say=20 > undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material that = david recorded from=20 > 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing today!.....michael > ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all.
 
I, too, have been on the receiving end = of David's=20 generosity. UN is a great listen. Hard to believe it was all done = on guitar=20 and that no synths were used. The power of looping, I = guess.
 
I'd take him up on the free copies if I = were you.=20
 
Stuart
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 = 6:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: "UN"

Michael -
 
Thank you for your really kind words = on=20 "UN."   The response from fellow Loopers-Delight readers who = recently received "UN" has been very encouraging.  It's been a = real shot=20 in the arm. 
 
After so many attempts to connect to = labels and=20 such for my rock bands, I'm all worn down and I've become a terrible = marketer=20 of my music.  I'm regularly praised by people who hear this = music, but I=20 don't know where to turn to help getting it released short of funding = pressing=20 and distribution myself.   So, if anyone here can suggest=20 people/places/organizations where I could direct my enquiries, I'd be = most=20 obliged! 
 
Under the UNDO name, I've about 4 = CD's recorded=20 and mastered and awaiting funding to put them out. 
 
1) 9.9.99 - recorded and mixed on, = you guessed=20 it, 9.9.99
2) EP - stuff from 2000, and = tracks from=20 9.9.99 that didn't sequence
3) 2000
4) Unreleased: 2001-2003
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
P.S.  I have a few more = boxes of UN=20 and DEUX sitting about - if you'd like copies, please reply OFF LIST = ONLY=20 PLEASE with a suitable mailing address, and I'll pop something in the = post to=20 you.  Merry Christmas from avid in Boston!   HO HO = HO =20   :-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: <Nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:08=20 PM
Subject: "UN"

> just listened to david kirkdoffer's cd "UN" and what a=20 treat.....seven tracs
> of  very interesting textures = coming from=20 a guitar.....ambient in nature but
> with a nice sense of=20 melody.....easy to drift off listening to this music and
> = forgetting=20 that it is guitar, really well done.....i would love to see david =
>=20 play and get a better understanding of "what" he is doing or should i = say=20
> undoing.....THANKS DAVID, GREAT WORK.....this was material = that david=20 recorded from
> 1996-1997.....i makes me wonder what he's doing = today!.....michael
>
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3BCEB.EB4044E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 22:01:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8306o10773; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:00:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031207200349.007d5260@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:03:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: space music retreat In-Reply-To: <1ab.1de99637.2d04bd39@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if they let in chicks clad in black leather and lycra, who wear spiked collars and glitch alot! lol! I'm a space case alot, but I wouldn't necessarily call what I do space music?!!! lol! -sounds like fun though... -Perhaps I'll check into it. TTFN CQ At 12:28 PM 12/7/03 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/7/03 10:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, >gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > > > http://spacemusic.us > > > > > yikes does this look like fun.....i would just hope that on the last day >they do not sacrifice a "live looper" to the lake gods....."CHILDREN OF THE >LOOP" opening CHRISTMAS day in a theater near you.....:).....michael --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 22:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB83a1Y16227; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031208033559.46683.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: hi-watt tape delay To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this has probably been brought up before, but its new to me.... http://www.gaspedal.com/hiwatttape.htm features an input for a hold switch too! pretty cool. d __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 22:38:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB83Z2716031; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031208033501.18176.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: the dead and looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bob weir JUST got an EDP in his rig 6 monthg ago?? funny, i thought the grateful dead had been looping the same chord progression for the last 35 years.... =) dylan (p.s. i'm a deadhead, please don't flame me) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 23:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB84SDJ28284; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031208042807.93086.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: WTB: beige-face EDP To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-836663044-1070857687=:91779" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-836663044-1070857687=:91779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oberheim or gibson...doesn't matter, but i'm looking for a beige-face edp, preferably with loop3.5. -jim --0-836663044-1070857687=:91779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
oberheim or gibson...doesn't matter, but i'm looking for a beige-face edp, preferably with loop3.5.
 
-jim
--0-836663044-1070857687=:91779-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 23:45:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB84ih832061; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:44:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: beige-face EDP Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:44:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031208042807.93086.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcO9Q7hbAPmtPY5dQh6fiVjfNx2gXAAAc+Ug Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why the old unit? I thot the new ones in Ratdog's rack looked really cool . . . And the new units probably were built with better quality control, Andy and company at Trace Elliot doing a bang up job-- Should I sell you one of my beige ones and buy an EDP+? I do still have the old Loop III chips somewhere . . . But the new software totally rocks! Gary From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:28 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB: beige-face EDP oberheim or gibson...doesn't matter, but i'm looking for a beige-face edp, preferably with loop3.5. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 01:45:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB86grU21360; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:41:11 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:42:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-Id: <82BC8DE2-2949-11D8-A5EF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Resent-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at the Penny Cafe, Tuesday December 9 From: Travis Hartnett To: Travis Hartnett Message-Id: Resent-From: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing at the always cozy Penny Cafe this Tuesday, starting at 7:30PM. Afterwards, singer-songwriter Andrew Norsworthy will do his his thing until either the cops or the staff shut the place down. There's no cover, and lots of free parking at 1707 NW Market, the live music capital of Ballard. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Yet Sometimes Un-updated Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 09:23:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8EKDv05551; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:20:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:20:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:18:43 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "UN" X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20031208.061914.26924.282228@webmail16.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree! I just listened to UN over the weekend and really liked it enough to loop it a few times! Thanks! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 09:48:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8EjEw09151; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: steve jones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Please remove me from your mailing list - Re: Gig Spam [Seattle] Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB8EjDW09128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm UK based and can't get to your gigs! On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:41:11 -0800, you wrote: >I'll be playing at the always cozy Penny Cafe this Tuesday, starting at >7:30PM. Afterwards, singer-songwriter Andrew Norsworthy will do his >his thing until either the cops or the staff shut the place down. > >There's no cover, and lots of free parking at 1707 NW Market, the live >music capital of Ballard. > >Be seeing you, > >Travis > > >*-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* > >The Official Yet Sometimes Un-updated Travis Hartnett Website: >http://www.travishartnett.com > >*-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 18:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8N64e04201; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c3bddf$d4682ea0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? proposal for a new thread Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:05:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9QqxXB.A.iBB.cPQ1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After having seen a number of live looping gigs (and for all of you who have attended the multiple loop artist loop festivals in Europe, England, California, Massachusetts and New York..........did I leave anyone out?) I'd like to propose a new thread: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER as Live Looping artists Here are some suggestions for things to talk about in such a loosely defined thread. Please feel free to add on to the list. 1) What could we do better? 2) What would make our performances more fun or interesting to watch or listen to. 3) What are your pet peeves about looping shows? 4) What kinds of specific critiques do you have (but please don't mention individual artists so that we can keep this thing non-personal and positively constructive)...........and how would you fix the 'problems'. 5) What do you wish you could see people do that you think they have the capability to do (but aren't doing so far). 6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival more interesting to watch 7) Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete and utter bullshit? 8) Are you happy that there are starting to be more and more of such festivals yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 18:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB8NRiB07893; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:27:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that the largest thing that hurts us so far as a performance art is the 'shoe gazer' factor. What we are doing is incredibly difficult from a multi-tasking standpoint and there is a strong tendency to constantly be looking away from the audience to push buttons and tweak things. Frequently, I'll watch loopers bend over and tweak something and, as an audience member, I can't even tell what changed to the sound. There is, consequently, a lot of lack of eye contact between a lot of performers and the audience. Eye contact has nothing, of course, to do with the way our music sounds, but it does radically increase the emotional connection factor of any performance. John Whooley's performance at Y2K3 is particularly exemplary in this respect. John even had a very long chord and loopers attached to his belt so that he could actually go out into the audience to engage people. Of course, not everyone will have the capacity to do this, but the point is, he was very engaging of the audience and consequently, very fun to watch. I have noticed that anyone who does anything visual, from George Demarest lighting up his hands and his trumpet with leds to the several people who used airsynths or aireffects or d-beam controllers to alter their sounds seemed to add to just the purely visual interest of the show. Oddly enough, I found it more fun to watch the people who had complex racks with lots of blinking gear if their gear was visible to the audience (as opposed to facing away from them). A few people sat sideways which allowed this view instead of facing the audience straight away. In a static visual performance, I found it more interesting to actually see what the knobs that they were twiddling and the lights blinking, commensorately. I don't know if I'm in the minority on this one or not and would love to hear feedback. There were, of course, people like Gary Regina, who just played different instruments seated in a chair which made for a compelling performances. He also made a lot of eye contact with the audience and seemed cognizant of them. Let's see, oh yeah...................I found some people who used drum machines tended to fall into two categories of things that bugged me a bit. Either the sound was so static that it just felt too canned or people overprogrammed their drum machines so that they were distracting. Simple a solution as it is, I personally tended to like it when people would use filtering to change the sound of their preprogrammed drums. Someone and I forget who at Y2K3, ended their performance by suddenly filtering the sound into telephone EQs as they faded it out. It really took on a cool dimension and broke the trance of the typical fade out. I also thought that people would make individual pieces go on way too long. Really getting into a piece that takes time to unfold is a really valid approach to music, but I think shows would be far more fascinating if their were more and shorter 'songs' or 'pieces' to beak the performance up. I also tended to like it when there were interactions between musicians, including some people just playing in real time to the loops that were already going. Lately, I"ve become particularly enamored of duets where one person plays and the other person loops and processes that performance...............neither person being able to controll what the other person does so that it becomes a living growing thing. I've end thought about producing a small festival with that as the common metaphor and approach. Does this interest anyone else? The Bay Area Voice and Electronics Thingee that Matt Davignon produced was a wonderful case in point for this style of improv. I was really fascinated by the improvs between acapella vocals and looper/processors that I saw there. It was pretty fun to particpate too. alright, that's it for now. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 21:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB92TLk08195; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:29:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:29:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD536A8.193E1C0F@erols.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:42:49 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Roland EV-5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1jgQoC.A.7_B.BOT1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been getting more into adjusting the feedback setting on the EDP. Normally, I just turn the front panel knob. I have a Roland EV-5, and I've been experimenting with using it to control the feedback. Here is the problem, the highest setting that it will go to is 124 not 127. I know that the EV-5 would work backwards with the EDP. When the pedal is toe down, feedback will read 0. When the pedal is fully toe up, feedback will read 124. Is there a problem with the pedal? Do I need to make an adjustment to the pedal or the EDP? Do I need to just get a better pedal to use? Thanks in advance, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 23:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB948mr26197; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD54982.15930294@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:03:14 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, I actually agree with a number of your pet peeves here (stop the press, I know), but I want to suggest looking at this from a couple of different perspectives. Someone once said that being a live performer involves being "an exaggerated version of yourself," and I think there's a lot of truth to that. (Especially if we're talking about using a technology which literaly does that very thing in a musical sense.) Some people are energetic extroverts, others are sardonic comedians, others still are mysterious enigmas. A big part of how they come across onstage is going to begin with who and what they are before they get onstage. So to me, talking about eye contact, or using lights, or taking live solos over loops, or what sort of drum machine programming to use, becomes almost impossible to discuss in any sort of general sense, because it lacks any specific context to give it meaning. Taken on its own, it's like talking about what kinds of chord changes a person should play over, or how a song should be structured, or whether people should sit or stand when they play. These all depend on what kind of music someone's playing, what kind of personality they have as performers, and how those things are working together to frame the audience's perception. And there's nothing more cringe-inducing than seeing someone who's self-consciously doing some kind of hollow, contrived on-stage gesture just because it's an accepted signifier of being "engaging" or "dynamic," when it clearly lacks any meaningful connection to who they are as performers or people. The one universal truth that seems to apply to performers and audiences is that a player who knows what they're doing, and has something to say, is almost always more engaging than someone who doesn't. So before anyone can worry about how to translate their playing to an audience, they need to be able to play without an audience. That's the first and foremost place to look at: does the music work as music? If you ignore any technological cleverness, real-time dexterity, or other technical considerations, and just deal with it as an unfolding musical event... does it hold up? If not, then that's the first thing to deal with - before you can ask an audience to connect with your music, you've got to connect with it yourself. That means woodshedding, recording yourself and critiquing the bits that need improvement when you listen back. It helps to compare what you do to other music in the same genre - not other people who loop, but other people who are operating in the same general aesthetic and stylistic space that you are, regardless of what kind of gear is in their rack. Don't ask listeners who know the musical territory you're working in to lower their standards to accommodate the extra effort involved in doing something in real time. Raise yourself to those existing standards instead. Once the basic foundation of what you're doing is together, THEN is the time to start thinking about how you want to translate it to an audience. And a translation will probably be in order, because some things that sound great as recorded events might not be so interesting as a live performance. This is where a lot of Rick's issues should work themselves out: some people can use eye contact to connect with an audience, and other people will look like a deer caught in oncoming headlights. Some people can make live soloing and extended repetition elevate their music, but others could bog down an otherwise engaging performance with gratuitous and aimless noodling. Funny facial expressions or outrageous clothes that might help one player draw an audience in could completely undermine someone else's vibe. A drum machine pattern that sounds flat and canned for one player might work perfectly in someone else's recipie for performance, where it's surrounded by a whole different set of musical and gestural ingredients. It's like picking out a wardrobe - a suit and tie projects a person differently than a t-shirt and jeans. The only way to figure this out is personal trial and error. And ultimately, I don't think any of this is unique to looping - it has to do with the craft of performing music for an audience, and that isn't going to instrinsically change based on the presence or absence of a long delay line in someone's rig. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 02:55:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB97s5u28207; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:54:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:54:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.134.234] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:53:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 07:53:53.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[972189C0:01C3BE29] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In an attempt to answer Rick’s call, and to give some “list” of ideas for a better portrayal of the loopist’s craft in a live setting (and somehow avoid resurrecting the debate over the “live looping” moniker), I would like to, in some way, make an attempt to define and qualify (in the broadest of sense) just what we do in that forum. And so, the first question to ask is “is it important to have Looping Festivals?”. And, if so, what purpose do they serve? My own answer to this is an emphatic “yes”. The necessity of the events can be illustrated simply by the mutual support, inspiration, and, yes, sense of community they conjure. By this I do not mean a self-congratulatory, ego-fulfillment exhibition, but rather an opportunity to support, share and learn from other musicians working with loops; all being divergent in style, setup, hardware and/or software and instruments etc., yet still offering inspiration, ideas and support of each other. I believe I have mentioned here before that all artistic movements (and here I would like to NOT address looping as a sort of pretentious “movement”, yet still offer the “craft” of looping has had a substantial impact on the “craft” of music production, regardless of style or genre, and with this as a given fact, we as loopists (loopsters?) ARE actually in the spearhead of a movement, or evolution, of sorts in how music is composed, performed , produced and recorded) have swelled from a similar “self-supporting” system of the artists themselves. Oftentimes, the small community of like-minded, or similarly inclined, artists ARE the only ones giving support, credence and exposure to a “style”, form or school of expression. Yet, looping (both live and otherwise) is somewhat unique as its’ “school of expression” is so diverse in style and form. This is/can be both beneficial and a hindrance to the further popularizing of looping techniques and music. “Looping” itself does not describe the music, but rather is a general term for a technique used in developing a great number of different musics..and as such CAN be a rather hard sell for an audience (tho I must say, Rick has done a remarkable job of “exposing” us and what we do to the public and the press). So, what is the purpose of having a “Looping Festival”? To give a public forum to artists who may, due to the nature of their work, find it difficult to get a gig? Yes, this would be partially correct. Looping lends itself to experimentation, and thusly experimental music. These events DO give a chance for some artists to perform works which they might not have an opportunity to perform anywhere else. Yet all looping is not “experimental” (or even “electronic”) music. Do these events raise the public awareness of a “new” (and we all know that does not mean brand spankin’ new…) musical technique of composition, improvisation and performance of which they are aurally aware of yet not popularly conscious of? Again, this would also be true. But there is the rub. Although the public has been made aware, both consciously and sub-consciously, and certainly well primed from acceptance of these techniques and technologies, they really don’t care. As a composer and performer, I am keenly aware that MOST of my audience really does not care that piece I wrote may have been constructed of five note cadences, reharmonized in 4 measure patterns with a rhythm structure derived from the intervallic relationships of those cadences..not do they care of the clever, implied tension achieved by use of the Lydian mode..or about my signal chain or MIDI tapped delay times. They only care that sonically, texturally and musically it appeals to them or not, and that as a performance it was presented in a way which was both challenging (though not too challenging) and entertaining. Yes, entertaining. NO, it does not have to be like a rock concert, rave or any other similar event. But I think we do need to look at what is “entertaining” to audiences. Probably the biggest thing is acknowledging that the audience is there. This is the shoe-gazing syndrome, which seems to permeate these events. And though it is a daunting and difficult job to control the level of technology some of us employ in a live rig, the challenge remains to inject some levity, humor, interaction or even dialogue with audience. The act of looping is quite technologically focused. And technology can be both mesmerizing and scary to an audience. It is important to make our “sets” less like clinics and more like performances. I think it the duty and responsibility of the performer to add a human face, so to speak, to the technology involved, and I think Rick gave some nice examples of that in his post. Looping is not the “ultimate one-man-band”. Often times we tend to fill things up simply ‘cos we can, in some sort of weird way of becoming that ultimate one-man-band. I think it important to play to your strengths. In the role of a solo performer, that means BEING a solo performer…granted one with loops, but just because you CAN use midi drum loops, and countless textural loped atmospheres, does not mean you SHOULD. Work with the limitations of being a solo performer, and make the music matter more than the machines. And on that note…learning to be more concise in your musical phrasing, in this case with looping, can add heaps to what the audience perceives as entertaining. Far too often we take far too long to get to the musical Point. One thing I have always admired about Andre LaFosse (and learned from him!) is that even with his deepest, most complex EDP techniques, he gets right to the point musically. He does not just let a loop run because it is running. The loops bend to his will. One thing audiences really do grab onto is the internal dialogue in music. At most LoopFests, the roster is filled with solo performers. I would love to see more interaction ‘tween performers…even groups, duos, trios etc. where the music is NOT just loops, but where the one or two folks doing loops are integral to the piece. One thing I have been working on lately is a trio where I do loops and bass with a live percussionist and vocalist. It has been a rewarding challenge to make what I do with loops fit with other musicians in song-forms. How about some of us “soloists” get together, as Jon W, Bill W and I did at Loopstock…or even start working with someone who is not looping… Many of the “sets” at loopfests are based around improvisations. I am a big fan of improvs..and am one of these culprits at the shows! Yet, to maintain diversity (and, BTW, this was something I really noticed at Y2K3) a balance of improv and composed sets is necessary………..but how about balancing improvs with composed pieces within your individual sets? Finally….the nature of looping festivals necessitates there be no soundchecks. As we all know, the more gear you bring the more can go wrong and the more a check IS necessary. Nothing can lose an audience than a tech check on stage, or those ten endless minutes of setting levels, plugging and re-plugging, and checking boxes and LEDs the audience cannot see. Try limiting yourself gear-wise; use only what is necessary, and try to “pre-wire” as much of your rig as possible. Practice with it..get to know it so any troubleshooting on stage is minimal. I have recently taken to doing gigs with only a DL4, which forces me to make my performances much more musically oriented; the loops being part of the music and the music being part of the loops. I think what we have dubbed “Looping Festivals” are important events. Yet, I think sometimes we mis-read the title. They are not so much festivals of Looping, but rather festivals of music made using live audio loops. There is an important difference. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HL8B13662; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:21:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:21:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c3be78$f61c2b20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:22:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.151.176] at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:06 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <28AgX.A.XVD.ESg1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the performance is interesting - people will pay attention. Sometimes the music may even be interesting. All performers (except mimes, maybe...) are allowed to talk to their audience. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? > I think that the largest thing that hurts us so far as a performance art is > the 'shoe gazer' factor. > > What we are doing is incredibly difficult from a multi-tasking standpoint > and there is a strong tendency > to constantly be looking away from the audience to push buttons and tweak > things. > > Frequently, I'll watch loopers bend over and tweak something and, as an > audience member, I can't even tell > what changed to the sound. > > There is, consequently, a lot of lack of eye contact between a lot of > performers and the audience. Eye contact has > nothing, of course, to do with the way our music sounds, but it does > radically increase the emotional connection factor > of any performance. > > John Whooley's performance at Y2K3 is particularly exemplary in this > respect. John even had a very long chord > and loopers attached to his belt so that he could actually go out into the > audience to engage people. Of course, not everyone > will have the capacity to do this, but the point is, he was very engaging of > the audience and consequently, very fun to watch. > > I have noticed that anyone who does anything visual, from George Demarest > lighting up his hands and his trumpet with leds > to the several people who used airsynths or aireffects or d-beam controllers > to alter their sounds seemed to add to just the purely > visual interest of the show. Oddly enough, I found it more fun to watch > the people who had complex racks with lots of blinking gear > if their gear was visible to the audience (as opposed to facing away from > them). A few people sat sideways which allowed this > view instead of facing the audience straight away. In a static visual > performance, I found it more interesting to actually see what the knobs that > they were twiddling and the lights blinking, commensorately. I don't know > if I'm in the minority on this one or not and would love to hear feedback. > > There were, of course, people like Gary Regina, who just played different > instruments seated in a chair which made for a compelling > performances. He also made a lot of eye contact with the audience and > seemed cognizant of them. > > Let's see, oh yeah...................I found some people who used drum > machines tended to fall into two categories of things that bugged me a bit. > Either the sound was so static that it just felt too canned or people > overprogrammed their drum machines so that they were distracting. > > Simple a solution as it is, I personally tended to like it when people would > use filtering to change the sound of their preprogrammed drums. > Someone and I forget who at Y2K3, ended their performance by suddenly > filtering the sound into telephone EQs as they faded it out. > It really took on a cool dimension and broke the trance of the typical fade > out. > > I also thought that people would make individual pieces go on way too long. > Really getting into a piece that takes time to unfold is a really > valid approach to music, but I think shows would be far more fascinating if > their were more and shorter 'songs' or 'pieces' to beak the performance up. > > I also tended to like it when there were interactions between musicians, > including some people just playing in real time to the loops that were > already going. > > Lately, I"ve become particularly enamored of duets where one person plays > and the other person loops and processes that > performance...............neither person being able to controll what the > other person does so that it becomes a living growing thing. I've end > thought about producing a small festival with that as the common metaphor > and approach. Does this interest anyone else? The Bay Area Voice and > Electronics Thingee that Matt Davignon produced was a wonderful case in > point for this style of improv. I was really fascinated by the improvs > between acapella vocals and looper/processors that I saw there. It was > pretty fun to particpate too. > > alright, that's it for now. > > rick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HX2J15454; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200312091732.hB9HWtXM034823@mail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:32:57 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/8/03 11:53 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > Finally?.the nature of looping festivals necessitates there be no > soundchecks. As we all know, the more gear you bring the more can go wrong > and the more a check IS necessary. At my first festival (Loopstock 2002), I was on early and though my equipment wasn't entirely cooperative (partially just getting it wired, partially the fact that I'd decided to experiment with having EDPs set to different interface modes), I felt that I couldn't let myself succumb to technological problems. I don't know how I would have felt if I'd been on later in the day and seen any number of people fight with and at times succumb to their tech. For at least the first half of the performance, I felt like I was in freefall, but I kept on going and people told me they couldn't tell. The video did reveal an inability to make eye contact with the audience -- something that I've tried to work on at later gigs -- but I think it's a good discipline to simply try to play through as many technical problems as possible. It's a good pre-show discipline to figure out how to strip the equipment down knowing the constraints of the festival environment. (Writing this reminds me that I need to put some emphasis on finding a less noisy replacement for my Passac Unity*8 line mixer -- definitely the weak spot in my rig when my EDPs aren't behaving strangely.) Mark P.S. My one technical problem at Y2K2 was having the tremolo lock slip on my Klein resulting in a frenzy of trying to figure out why the guitar had suddenly drifted out of tune when I'd tuned it up shortly before going on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HatH15940; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200312091736.hB9HagXM062235@mail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:36:47 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If the performance is interesting - people will pay attention. Sometimes > the music may even be interesting. > All performers (except mimes, maybe...) are allowed to talk to their > audience. My other "audience interest" tactic post-Loopstock 2002 has been to make references to Kim Flint every time I pull out my e-Bow. They are inside jokes, but at least it gets me saying something to the audience. That didn't work at Y2K3 since he wasn't in the audience. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 12:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9HdfU16414; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.12efe81a.2d0762d2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:39:30 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the idea of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to play 40-45 mins.....at y2k3 lots of sets were just takin off and they were over.....perhaps it should be up to the individual, the upper limit might be 40 mins. but if they want to play less so be it.....this might require a reduction in artists but i feel that it removes the pressure of setting up, wipeing the sweat off, hoping your sound is right, performing and then getting the heck off stage.....3 days, some 30 players is a lot to digest.....also some time might be set aside for an open jam, this would allow these mostly solo players a chance to see what it is like to interact musically with other folk in a looping context.....good thread rick!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 13:09:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9I6mt22014; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:06:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Roland EV-5 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Roland EV-5 Thread-Index: AcO9/HsSHaQEgyUhR4yMr1CEBBHSTgAgk3DA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 18:07:58.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[60807060:01C3BE7F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB9I6lW21977 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Roland pedals are a little wierd. I've used them successfully through a Roland MIDI controller and then into the EDP for feedback control but have never tried running one right into the pedal jack. I can tell you, however, that shortly after getting my All Access MIDI foot controller, I tried to use a pair of EV-5s that I had as expression pedals with the All Access and saw some pretty funky behavior. After fighting with it for a bit, I called Rocktron and they said they always had problems using the Roland pedals with there stuff. Something to do with the extra knob that's on them. At any rate, they suggested the simple Ernie Ball mono volume pedals for this and they've worked out nicely. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Roland EV-5 > > Hi, > I've been getting more into adjusting the feedback setting on the > EDP. Normally, I just turn the front panel knob. I have a Roland EV-5, > and I've been experimenting with using it to control the feedback. Here > is the problem, the highest setting that it will go to is 124 not 127. > I know that the EV-5 would work backwards with the EDP. When the pedal > is toe down, feedback will read 0. When the pedal is fully toe up, > feedback will read 124. Is there a problem with the pedal? Do I need > to make an adjustment to the pedal or the EDP? Do I need to just get a > better pedal to use? > > Thanks in advance, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 14:54:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9JmdQ06291; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <191.22e5607e.2d078100@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:48:16 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hB9Jmcd06269 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Just a note from one of the shoe-gazeriest shoe-gazers on the planet. It's me. I'm guilty as charged (I suppose). I try . . . really I do . . . but I just don't possess the scintillating personality that some of you do. I can only beg an audience's forgiveness and kind indulgence whenever I perform. It's sad but true. I am not an extrovert by any means and I'm about as likely to start doing Pete Townshend windmills or Van Halen stage- leaps as I would be to sprout wings and fly. Face-paint, black leather and spandex are right out . . . as well as moon-walking, hip-shaking or pelvic thrusting. I look ridiculous enough on stage already and I'm not doing this for laughs. Part of it is personality, part of it is age (and . . . ahem . . . physique). However, I am still quite aware of how an audience has a very legitimate expectation of being entertained -- or at least being given good cause for having spent the money and time to come out on a cold night. I sympathize with them. I really do. And, I don't wanna disappoint 'em. I am not the possessor of such a prodigious instrumental technique that a spotlight on my digits would be much of a diversion for anybody. Nor are my "compositional" chops all that great (be it improvised or written out). Anybody really following what I'm playing (note by note and musical idea by musical idea) with any real knowledge of music theory under their caps would undoubtedly laugh their arses off. My music is not particularly ground-breaking in any aspect either, when it comes right down to it. There is no "grand vision" driving my efforts. I wish there were. If I knew where the heck I was going maybe I'd GET somewhere (heheh). Nor am I working out of a particular retrospective musical "heritage" (other than a general sort of rock-ish one). I am a misfit and a mongrel . . . and not a particularly attractive one. Dang! A lot of my music is downright ugly and most unpleasant (not all but quite a bit). At least that's what my wife and kids always tell me. Well, what in blue blazes am I doing it for? And, why would an audience want to experience me/this in person? That's the perennial question we should all always be asking ourselves. Isn't it? So, in my sympathy/empathy for an audience's hard-earned money and precious time, just what then is it that I have to offer them? There's not much left is there? It would seem so. But, perhaps looks aren't everything. Maybe all I have to offer translates into a lot of misguided, loud and unrelenting noise to some hearers. Some folks I just cannot reach with the equipment God gave me. But I do TRY to reach some of them . . . maybe it's with just a certain kind of "honesty" and "intensity" . . . maybe it's emotional, maybe it's visceral (I dunno). I try to present something authentic, not made up, not pretended. I try to just (and this is going to sound very cliche) "BE in the moment" with as much raw, unvarnished, human vulnerability as I can muster . . . and convey it THROUGH the music as best I can. This can happen even when the "tech gremlins" attack (heheh, speaking of my own set at Y2K3). I had a processor go down inexplicably. I spent a few minutes trying to suss the reason and could not. So, I went ahead and played anyway with a very dirty, distorted, clipped, noisy sound. Oh well. As it turns out I probably performed about as unselfconsciously and "in the moment" as I ever have at one of these things. Who knows if it was "any good" or not? Some people stood and clapped at the end. That's all I ever really hope for. Possibly a good many more ran (or dove) for the doors early on. It was dark, I didn't notice. But, I was satisfied. I felt I had acquitted myself semi-nobly under the circumstances. So, why am I saying all this? To justify myself? To pat myself on the back? To make excuses for not improving myself? In a word, no. I mention the one primary aspect that I focus on in my own performances only to point out what it is I look for in others performances. And, I kinda suspect that this is an aspect that not many others posters will bring up. Heavens! There's tons of ways we all could improve in terms of our "presentation" technically. I will be reading these posts avidly to see what I can pick up and ad (if I am able) from all this good advice. But, the thing that bothers me most about some performances is I don't sense anything from the performer through the music. It sometimes seems empty and mechanical. Hey! We all use machines to make music, so that's not what I'm talking about. It's not a matter of tweaking the "humanize" knob on a drum track. I sense the performer is involved with the "tasks" of making music but not invested in the music itself . . . not enthralled with it. Not overcome by it. It has nothing to do with composition vs. improvisation either. It's sort of an intangible thing and more than likely just an erroneous, overly-romantic notion about art-making that I have from my days as a naive college art student. I just don't "feel" anything from some performers. Sounds silly maybe . . . but it's true. I sense a lack of **PASSION.** To me it was the thing present in the most "successful" sets at any of these festivals (Loopstock, Y2K2, Y2K3 . . . whatever). The particular type of music made may (or may not) have been my personal "cup of tea" . . . but I always respond to someone who seems to be really "connected" to what they are doing and/ or creating. There's a kind of "spiritual" authenticity about it. I know that sounds rather psuedo-religious. I don't mean it to. I just don't have other terms for it. But you can sorta tell when a performer's muse is present -- and their either dancing with it or clobbering it and wrestling it to the floor (like me) or they're just sorta going through the motions. Playing AT music (not WITH it). I don't know what more to say. Some of us need to work on this . . . me sometimes too. But, some need it a little more than others. As for me and all the other advice I'll garner from this thread, I will definitely try simplifying my rack, lose a few more pounds, buy a good book of jokes, change my hair color, invest in a slightly more colorful wardrobe (than my usual black sweatshirt and jeans) and possibly borrow my oldest son's leopard print fez and shades. Waddya think? If I look at the audience, smile more and drool on myself (and my guitar) less will that help? I am very thankful for folks who put these sorts of fests on BTW. I benefit a lot from the camaraderie. I also thank Rick for starting this thread. Hope I didn't step on too many toes. Oh , , , and it was me with the telephone EQ fadeout (2 points). Heheh. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 15:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9KgTp16890; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:42:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 20:42:23.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2B21460:01C3BE94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great thread Rick! A few of you already know me, but for those who don't, I've been putting a lot of work over the last few years towards organizing festivals and unusual music events in the San Francisco Bay Area. First of all, I should preface this all with a huge "In my humble opinion" and acknowledge that my range of experience applies primarily to improvised music of an experimental nature. Give the audience a reason to be interested. This is the #1 reason I do events with themes. If people don't know who the musicians are when reading an ad, maybe you can draw them in by giving them a good idea of what the musicians will be doing. Musicians should know when to stop! I've witnessed countless events where the musicians "run out of juice", but continue to play for an extra 10, 15 or 30 minutes. In a recent show, audience members really liked the guy at the beginning of the set, but by the end decided that they'd never go to a show by that guy again. If the guy quit when he was ahead, he'd have gained about 5 or 6 new fans. (This isn't an individual that's on this list, and wasn't someone at the V&E thingy.) >What are your pet peeves about looping shows? I have three, and they might get me into some hot water 1) Musicians who sound almost exactly like, imitate, or "play in the style of" other, more famous musicians. I've had trouble selling shows as "looping" events in San Francisco, since many of the people who see the word looping think it's going to be a show of "Frippertronics". 2) The unspoken assumption that a musician is his gear. Actually, there are a few mini-issues that coalesce into this one. My favorite musicians are the ones who can turn out an amazing set, even if you take away their favorite piece of equipment. A lot of my shows play to this idea, since I find it exciting to see a person's sense of musical intuition presented in a different light. A lot of looping/electric/electronic musicians depend on one or more specific pieces of equipment for "their sound", which is the phenomenon that leads to Guitar Center selling tons upon tons of guitar distortion pedals and very few things that encourage people to find new and unconventional ways to use them. 3) The mention of looping as a "some new thing that people need to learn about". Looping's been around since the 40's, has been in popular music since the 60's, and had its contemporary heyday in the 80's. Given, there are uses, possibilities and contexts now that didn't exist then, but there are very few Americans these days who haven't heard "looped music" already. >What do you wish you could see people do that you think they have the >capability to do (but aren't doing so far). Well, a lot of people are doing it already, ... Individualize! Show us what makes you a unique musician! Each person has a completely different set of musical experiences and intuitions, and I don't really hear that in a lot of music these days. Focus on the ideas that are your ideas, not stuff that someone else came up with. Stop worrying about what your music "should be" and start focusing and understanding what it is. Another one is to acknowledge that a set of live music is not your studio-created cd, and shouldn't be. Most folks I know find pre-recorded backup tracks (like drum machine programs, cd's of instrumental background, or "ambient beds" already programmed into a rack unit) to be a bit of a turnoff. They tend to distract from what you're doing in the live environment, instead of supporting it. >6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival >more interesting to watch I think you pulled it off last time Rick, a really great, diverse lineup. Continuing in that direction would be my best advice. More people who are pushing in different directions and expanding the boundaries of what "looping" is. Next year it might be nice to throw some laptop performers into the mix as well. >Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete >and utter bullshit? No, looping festivals are fun and encouraging. Personally, I'd like to see more looping musicians cross-pollenating with the other musical communities. >Michael K done wrote: >the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the >idea >of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to >play >40-45 mins I'd have to disagree. If you give people the option to play 45 minutes, every single one will take it. That'll result in less diversity at these events. Perhaps it would be nice for the people coming a long way, but it'd be better to give those guys a featured show on a different night. _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 16:29:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9LPRJ26740; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:25:12 +0100 Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <191.22e5607e.2d078100@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-09 20.48, "ArsOcarina@aol.com" wrote: > Hello all, > > Just a note from one of the shoe-gazeriest shoe-gazers on > the planet. It's me.////// Salve Everyboudy, I just want to say that I really appreciated Ted's post. Every word of it felt exactly right with me. I think music is all about communication and because of that it could be a mistake to hang on to "performing tricks" instead of hooking up with the essence of you own personality to coax that music out. I never liked the term "shoe-gazing" since I have happened to hear some "shoe-gazers" that make outstanding music. But if the music sucks, a shoe-gazer is of course twice as boring. A very good Swedish guitar player dropped a clever line about playing true music. He said "playing is like talking - don't overdo it, 'cause you don't want to talk bullshit. Think about what you want to say, then say it and shut up". I liked that! BTW you can check out his music at http://www.kennyhakansson.se/ if you like :-) And I like long pieces too! Matthias Grob played a 12 minute solo piece here in Sweden back in June and it was fantastic! It's called Physio and posted at http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/LiveLooping/index-3.html for you that want to check it out. Later on at an outdoor festival in August I played a duo set with Per2Per that clocked in for 59 minutes. From time to time I did feel a bit alienated on stage but when listening back to the recording, and hearing it as the audience heard it, I simply love it!!! When at stage I had no idea about the strong vibe created by that music. I'm happy we kept it flowing for all that time! -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 17:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9M6ZD01666; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:06:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <005d01c3bea0$2c502300$336afe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: WTB: Echoplex foot controller Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, does anyone on this list have the EFC-7 foot controller for the EDP for = sale? Please contact me off-list, I=B4m located in Germany. Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
does anyone on this list have the EFC-7 = foot=20 controller for the EDP for sale? Please contact me off-list, I=B4m = located in=20 Germany. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3BEA8.8D5BE960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 17:12:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9M53701477; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c3bea0$78723020$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:04:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 having probs finding what I need in the archives, but Im sure it must be = there.. heres the Q. I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 pedal to control it. TOday my shiny = new EDP turned up and I really need to get them buttons under foot = control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual is a little all = over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control the = Repeater... is this a prob??? Ive selected NOTE in control/source, Ive left the default Source# as 36 = (why would I change it???) and gone in to the FCB1010 and made a note = preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but (of course = ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to change = the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on = a specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal is = set to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater). Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it was synching to my drum-machine = no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do anything on it tho... even if I = ignore the repeater prob... Now IM SURE that many of you have exactly this config, One looper not = being enough as everyone knows, so do you all really use a different = foot controller for each looper??? Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT about the EDP without foot control, = If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 control I would do it, cos I = still have one of those little digitech puppies that actually worked = fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!! exasperated Englishman in Norway Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
having probs finding what I need in the = archives,=20 but Im sure it must be there.. heres the Q.
 
I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 = pedal to=20 control it. TOday my shiny new EDP turned up and I really need to get = them=20 buttons under foot control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual = is a=20 little all over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control = the=20 Repeater... is this a prob???
 
Ive selected NOTE in control/source, = Ive left the=20 default Source# as 36 (why would I change it???) and gone in to the = FCB1010 and=20 made a note preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but = (of=20 course ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to = change=20 the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on = a=20 specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal = is set=20 to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater).
 
Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it = was=20 synching to my drum-machine no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do = anything on it=20 tho... even if I ignore the repeater prob...
 
Now IM SURE that many of you have = exactly this=20 config, One looper not being enough as everyone knows, so do you all = really use=20 a different foot controller for each looper???
 
Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT = about the EDP=20 without foot control, If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 = control I=20 would do it, cos I still have one of those little digitech puppies that = actually=20 worked fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!!

exasperated = Englishman in=20 Norway
 
Mark.
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C3BEA8.D9AEA370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 17:46:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hB9MeTF05694; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:40:16 +0100 Subject: Re: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ca01c3bea0$78723020$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Marc, I'm using one FCB1010 to control my EDP, my Repeater and my Akai MFC42 filter bank. These three devices are of course set to three different midi channels and I have configures the FCB to send the appropriate midi data over those three midi channels. I think there is no problem with controlling many devices from one FCB1010 as long as you can step between different FCB banks. You have to put some planning into how you're going to lay out the banks on your FCB, it depends on what you want to do with the loopers. I have been trying out many concepts but the one I'm staying with now is three main FCB banks. One for EDP only, one for "EDP most used features" together with filter bank commands and finally a third bank for the Repeater (record, overdub, undo, multiply, reverse and then four buttons to record enable each of the for tracks. Earlier on I was using two banks for the Repeater because I wanted to be able to record many loops into the Repeater and easily step through them. But I took this away and decided to only work with one Repeater loop by overdubbing stuff into the four tracks. That way I can stay in Repeater RAM all the time and never have to worry about those horrible "CFC card to slow" or "tempo to fast" messages. When programming your FCB, please remember the useful possibility to assign two midi commands to one foot pad. First I was using one pad to change EDP speed between HalfSpeed and FullSpeed but now I have found a good reason to use two pads instead and keep a program change command as well on each pad. So pad one gives me HalfSpeed and program 3 (set to 16 8th/cycle) while pad two gives me FullSpeed and program 2 (set to 8 8th/cycle). This means that any midi clock gear synced to the EDP will not go down to half tempo or up to double tempo when I'm doing tempo jump recordings into the EDP. On the combo bank EDP/filter I have only the one speed button to toggle between the two speeds without changing EDP bank. So then I'm not locked into using only two EDP banks all the time. Well.... Just a couple of hints. Hope it makes some sense... didn't mean to post that much really ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com On 03-12-09 23.04, "mark francombe" wrote: > Hi, > having probs finding what I need in the archives, but Im sure it must be > there.. heres the Q. > > I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 pedal to control it. TOday my shiny new > EDP turned up and I really need to get them buttons under foot control and > fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual is a little all over the place. AND > I still want to use the FCB to control the Repeater... is this a prob??? > > Ive selected NOTE in control/source, Ive left the default Source# as 36 (why > would I change it???) and gone in to the FCB1010 and made a note preset on 2 > (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but (of course ) the repeater > changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to change the pitch... I cant > seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on a specifc pedal,(well > actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal is set to channel 1.(Which I > am using for repeater). > > Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it was synching to my drum-machine no > prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do anything on it tho... even if I ignore the > repeater prob... > > Now IM SURE that many of you have exactly this config, One looper not being > enough as everyone knows, so do you all really use a different foot controller > for each looper??? > > Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT about the EDP without foot control, If I > have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 control I would do it, cos I still have > one of those little digitech puppies that actually worked fine... BUT REALLY I > WANT BOTH!!! > > exasperated Englishman in Norway > > Mark. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 21:15:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA2B1W04783; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c3bec0$f5e48ba0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <00ca01c3bea0$78723020$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:57:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Check out Per's post on some good ideas, once you get the basic = interface working. First, the bad news: the FCB1010 can ony send it's Note On/Off messages = on a single MIDI channel. The MIDI channel for the Notes is global. This is bad for you (and me, for different reasons: I have 2 EDPs) = because: - the FCB doesn't treat CC commands as "momentary" switches, like it = does Notes. I.E. it doesn't send "on" CC values when pressed and "off" = CC values when released - therefore, you have to use Notes to control the EDP, transmitted over = one global MIDI channel - therefore, you can't easily use Notes to control anything on any other = devices So, once you get this going, you're going to need to think about how to = get Notes to your Repeater for pitch changes, while also using Notes on = the EDP, and not having them interfere with each other. =20 But first, I suggest not trying to plan out banks and MIDI routing for = now, turn off your Repeater, and just get the FCB talking to the EDP. = Then you can get a feel for what you like, and how to program the FCB. To that end, if you leave Source # at 36, then Record starts at Note 38, = and things go up from there. The values are in you EDP manual. There = are newer and more powerful capabilities in the Loop IV upgrade, if you = have it. The values for those are in the upgrade manual. Sounds like = you don't need any help programming the FCB for Notes. Hell, that's the = hard part! Some things to consider: - make sure your EDP is on the same channel that your FCB is using for = Notes (sounds like channel 1 in your case) - to get things started, I suggest going straight from your FCB MIDI Out = into your EDP MIDI In. That will help eliminate MIDI routing/filtering = problems that might be happening. I have no idea how well behaved the = Repeater is when passing MIDI data through to other devices. Some things to consider when you get it going: - check out the FCB1010 Yahoo group - find out which EPROM version you have, and upgrade to the latest = version if needed - try out the FCB1010 patch editor available at the Yahoo group I'm out of time. Hope that's of some help. Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Hi,=20 having probs finding what I need in the archives, but Im sure it must = be there.. heres the Q. I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 pedal to control it. TOday my = shiny new EDP turned up and I really need to get them buttons under foot = control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The manual is a little all = over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control the = Repeater... is this a prob??? Ive selected NOTE in control/source, Ive left the default Source# as = 36 (why would I change it???) and gone in to the FCB1010 and made a note = preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the EDP but (of course = ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE info to change = the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi channel on = a specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the whole pedal is = set to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater). Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos it was synching to my = drum-machine no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do anything on it tho... = even if I ignore the repeater prob... Now IM SURE that many of you have exactly this config, One looper not = being enough as everyone knows, so do you all really use a different = foot controller for each looper??? Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT about the EDP without foot control, = If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 control I would do it, cos I = still have one of those little digitech puppies that actually worked = fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!! exasperated Englishman in Norway Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
Check out Per's post on some good = ideas, once you=20 get the basic interface working.
 
First, the bad news:  the FCB1010 = can ony send=20 it's Note On/Off messages on a single MIDI channel.  The MIDI = channel for=20 the Notes is global.
 
This is bad for you (and me, for = different reasons:=20 I have 2 EDPs) because:
- the FCB doesn't treat CC = commands as=20 "momentary" switches, like it does Notes.  I.E. it doesn't = send "on"=20 CC values when pressed and "off" CC values when released
- therefore, you have to use Notes to = control the=20 EDP, transmitted over one global MIDI channel
- therefore, you can't easily use Notes = to control=20 anything on any other devices
 
So, once you get this going, you're = going to need=20 to think about how to get Notes to your Repeater for pitch changes, = while also=20 using Notes on the EDP, and not having them interfere with each = other. =20
 
But first, I suggest not trying to plan = out banks=20 and MIDI routing for now, turn off your Repeater, and just get the FCB = talking=20 to the EDP.  Then you can get a feel for what you like, and how to = program=20 the FCB.
 
To that end, if you leave Source # at = 36, then=20 Record starts at Note 38, and things go up from there.  The values = are in=20 you EDP manual. There are newer and more powerful capabilities in = the Loop=20 IV upgrade, if you have it.  The values for those are in the = upgrade=20 manual.  Sounds like you don't need any help programming the FCB = for=20 Notes.  Hell, that's the hard part!
 
Some things to consider:
- make sure your EDP is on the same = channel that=20 your FCB is using for Notes (sounds like channel 1 in your = case)
- to get things started, I suggest = going straight=20 from your FCB MIDI Out into your EDP MIDI In. That will help = eliminate MIDI=20 routing/filtering problems that might be happening.  I have no idea = how=20 well behaved the Repeater is when passing MIDI data through to other=20 devices.
 
Some things to consider when you get it = going:
- check out the FCB1010 Yahoo = group
- find out which EPROM version you = have, and=20 upgrade to the latest version if needed
- try out the FCB1010 patch editor = available at the=20 Yahoo group
 
I'm out of time.  Hope that's of = some=20 help.
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark = francombe=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, = 2003 4:04=20 PM
Subject: boring old qustion = about foot=20 controlling the echoplex

Hi,
having probs finding what I need in = the archives,=20 but Im sure it must be there.. heres the Q.
 
I have a repeater and use a fcb1010 = pedal to=20 control it. TOday my shiny new EDP turned up and I really need to get = them=20 buttons under foot control and fast!!! BUT Im having trouble. The = manual is a=20 little all over the place. AND I still want to use the FCB to control = the=20 Repeater... is this a prob???
 
Ive selected NOTE in control/source, = Ive left the=20 default Source# as 36 (why would I change it???) and gone in to the = FCB1010=20 and made a note preset on 2 (D or "record"). It has no effect on the = EDP but=20 (of course ) the repeater changes pitch cos the repeater uses NOTE = info to=20 change the pitch... I cant seem to figure out how to change the midi = channel=20 on a specifc pedal,(well actually it cant) and therefore the = whole pedal=20 is set to channel 1.(Which I am using for repeater).
 
Now I AM getting midi to the EDP cos = it was=20 synching to my drum-machine no prob, The pedal doesnt seem to do = anything on=20 it tho... even if I ignore the repeater prob...
 
Now IM SURE that many of you have = exactly this=20 config, One looper not being enough as everyone knows, so do you all = really=20 use a different foot controller for each looper???
 
Pleas Help, I KNOW im missing ALOT = about the EDP=20 without foot control, If I have to dump the repeater from FCB1010 = control I=20 would do it, cos I still have one of those little digitech puppies = that=20 actually worked fine... BUT REALLY I WANT BOTH!!!

exasperated=20 Englishman in Norway
 
Mark.
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3BE8E.A459FC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 22:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA3p5b19384; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:50:52 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <2_FqNC.A.suE.pgp1_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/03 2:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > If I look at the audience, smile more and drool on > myself (and my guitar) less will that help? > in a nut shell.....ted cuts to the quick!.....beautiful.....michael --part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/9/0= 3 2:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


If I look at the audience, smil= e more and drool on
myself (and my guitar) less will that help?


in a nut shell.....ted cuts to the quick!.....beautiful.....michael
--part1_1d6.161a072b.2d07f21c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 23:08:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA45Mv23135; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:05:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:05:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.41415771.2d07f57a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:05:14 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/03 3:45:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > If you give people the option to play 45 minutes, > every single one will take it. That'll result in less diversity at these > events. matt.....i have to think more about this.....you may be right, then again!.....but you are one of my looping heros so i may defer to you.....:).....michael p.s. therein lies the beauty of these loop fests.....to have met and spent time with matt-ted-rick-kim-stan-gary-jon-young bill-etc. that's the treat, what's better than that?.....i'll fly to the moon with the bush to meet and play with my fellow loopers! --part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/9/0= 3 3:45:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


If you give people the option t= o play 45 minutes,
every single one will take it. That'll result in less diversity at these events.


matt.....i have to think more about this.....you may be right, then again!..= ...but you are one of my looping heros so i may defer to you.....:).....mich= ael
p.s. therein lies the beauty of these loop fests.....to have met and spent t= ime with matt-ted-rick-kim-stan-gary-jon-young bill-etc. that's the treat, w= hat's better than that?.....i'll fly to the moon with the bush to meet and p= lay with my fellow loopers!
--part1_3b.41415771.2d07f57a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 23:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA4Gwt25102; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:16:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:16:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200312081448.hB8EmOb09590@hemlock.violacea.com> <005c01c3bde2$e15e2d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:16:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What we are doing is incredibly difficult from a multi-tasking standpoint >and there is a strong tendency >to constantly be looking away from the audience to push buttons and tweak >things. the story of my life! >Lately, I"ve become particularly enamored of duets where one person plays >and the other person loops and processes that >performance...............neither person being able to controll what the >other person does so that it becomes a living growing thing. plus, one person can take the front for a while and the other one can push the darn buttons. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 23:28:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBA4N5326006; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c3bed5$4b9281b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312100215.hBA2FV405251@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER: redux Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:22:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suppose because I posted first that it is natural that people should respond to things I said but I really wanted to let everyone know that I honestly started this thread without a personal agenda (nor was I trying to secretly influence any individuals' future performances). Like everyone, I have my own takes on things that work or don't work (for me personally, only) but I'm truly interested in ideas and philosophies that are different than mine. I'm really interested, basically, in what people like and don't like about these shows and I'm interested in discovering if there is any kind of loose consensus about where to take them in the future. I haven't always agreed, personally, but I've really enjoyed reading Andre and Per and Matt and Max and Ted and Mark's and everyone else's individual take on the questions that I proposed. Stan Card truly does not believe in recording anything. He informed me of this when I went into my obnoxious cheerleader mode and exhorted him to record a CD of his surf and surf influence music to have for sale for next year's big show. That puts Stan on the exact opposie end of the spectrum from me who is a recording fanatic. I just love that our community can incorporate two people with such divergent approaches and goals for their music. I agree with Matt that this year's festival was really diverse and fascinating and it is why I'm proud to be in this so called 'movement'. **************************************** Whether you favor longer or shorter sets,short songs or long song, drum machines or no drum machines, cheap theatrics of relatively static visual performances the theme I keep seeing mentioned in this thread so far is the 'authenticity' theme. I couldn't concur more. I can watch a shoegazer play a 25 minute piece (apologies to Per.........lol) if that person is really deeply into what they are doing, so, yes, Ted, there can be a spiritual aspect to a successful performance and frequently, for me, those are the one's that I connect with the most. I celebrate diversity and have always tried to be as inclusive as possible with the events that I've produce. I just want to go on record again and reiterate that. thanks for all the replys, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 06:43:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBABgc923271; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <106.2a10c003.2d086098@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:42:16 EST Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 2) What would make our performances more fun or interesting to watch or > listen to. audience contact (as discussed already) visuals, ...a light show even. less laptop-gazing ;-) > > 3) What are your pet peeves about looping shows? canned loops (and drum machines) > > 6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival > more interesting to watch some looping pieces work as a demonstration of looping, in that it's more obvious what's going on, (e.g. it's clear the piece is built up from from live played material) Personally I'd play that piece first, to help the audience "get-it". > > 7) Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete > and utter bullshit? all promotion is bullshit, (isn't it?) > 8) Are you happy that there are starting to be more and more of such > festivals yes andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 07:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAC2UO27714; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:02:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:02:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.98.170.225] X-Originating-Email: [vibraphonic_@hotmail.com] X-Sender: vibraphonic_@hotmail.com From: "s. morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:01:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 12:01:55.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[67E73550:01C3BF15] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

 >>>>If the performance is interesting - people will pay attention. Sometimes > > the music may even be interesting. > > All performers (except mimes, maybe...) are allowed to talk to their > > audience. >

i have to agree with this statement completely. if you are playing engaging music... people will listen.   there will always be that percentage of people in the audience that want to see something physically happening on stage in addition to the music. i suppose people are just visually overstimulated by tv and movies and expect it everywherein their entertainment.       My approach to this is to just be myself and play my ass off, as i expect most everyone in this group does when they play.          if an audience want to see a lot of showboating on stage, then they should go check brittany or justin...but if they want to hear music for mind and body then they will stay. most of my favorite groups and performers have been dull visually to watch on stage like, miles,the dead,sonic youth,tortoise,etc.               there is an appropriate music for every context. the challenge at times for me, is finding that appropriate context in which my music will fit in the best.         btw, like the thread...good discussion.

peace,

shane

 



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 08:28:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBADPMf12364; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:25:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:25:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Thread-Index: AcO+wxiNpbumFLxIS1OONaSsLYDtVQAXd3fQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 13:25:56.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[246E24D0:01C3BF21] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBADOid12158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > the FCB doesn't treat CC commands as "momentary" switches, > like it does Notes. I.E. it doesn't send "on" CC values when > pressed and "off" CC values when released Is that right? You can't configure the FCB1010 to have some switches work as momentary? That seems like a somewhat large oversight to me. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 08:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBADfZL15696; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:41:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:41:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c3bf23$ac3634a0$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? proposal for a new thread Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:44:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1) What could we do better? write better music, rehearse more, polish our stage craft, same as every other musician. I think it's dangerous to get too into a technical gimmick and lose touch with the composers/improvisors craft. That's what the 80s shred metal guys did, and most of them are now working in WalMart. > 2) What would make our performances more fun or interesting to watch or > listen to. tell jokes, get some squirrels to dance while we play... there are a million things one could do, that are the same as any other performer. > 3) What are your pet peeves about looping shows? that the 'looping' part becomes more important than the music part. Looping can be a great tool for getting some press (as Rick has so masterfully shown in Santa Cruz), but for the musician, if that takes over, you're doomed. The root of it all has to be musical - if it's technical, you're not going to find an audience beyond other people who do the same thing. The general public ARE interested in how looping works, but not to the point where they'll put up with shit music just to watch the button pushing. Great tunes + clever technology x great performance = winning combo. > 4) What kinds of specific critiques do you have (but please don't mention > individual artists so that we can keep this thing > non-personal and positively constructive)...........and how would you fix > the 'problems'. no thought given to what the audience are meant to do during the building up of a loop, poor set up requiring constant unneccesary tweaking throughout the set, no actual tunes in a set that needs tunes (not talking about a found-sound set that doesn't rely on tunes) - same complaints as for any other kind of music - ie, most of it not being very 'good'. > 5) What do you wish you could see people do that you think they have the > capability to do (but aren't doing so far). rehearse. play some great songs. Use looping rather than have looping use them. > 6) What kinds of things can you envision that would make a looping festival > more interesting to watch great musicians. nothing more nothing less. The tag is there - loop festival obviously works in Santa Cruz, and may well spill over into other communities. Once you've got an audience, you've got to have great music, otherwise it doesn't work. There's no 'mojo' to it... > 7) Do you think the whole concept of a live looping festival is complete > and utter bullshit? not at all. An individual might not like what they think it represents in terms of the elavation of gear to headline status, but you've made it work, Rick (though I have a suspicion that with your unhuman levels of commitment, enthusiasm and positivity you'd be able to make a 'midgets juggling turds festival' work - you're a whirlwind, my dear fellow :o) > 8) Are you happy that there are starting to be more and more of such > festivals I think it's great - but I also don't hang any major significance on it. Anything that gives people a place to play is cool. I think there's a danger that people might look at some of the things that have happened in Santa Cruz and think that it'll be easily transported elsewhere without factoring in Rick's tireless promotion of electic music in the Santa Cruz area for two decades, his place within the local music and alternative community, the insane amounts of time and effort he puts in to promoting, publicising, booking and arranging these gigs, and there not being a Rick Walker in every town. I think that a lot of the loop-fest things are as much Walker-fest as they are loop-fest, and that is a testemony to the power of hard work and a positive attitude. I for one am extremely grateful for the time and energy that Rick has put into promoting the shows that I've participated in in the Bay Area, and recognise that if I were going to be involved in putting on some kind of loopfest in London, the model would have to be very different, as I don't have the connections or the media network that Rick has established over many many years in his area. maximum respect - keep it up! BTW, 'Dre - great post. Rick, great questions. Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 09:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAE37a20986; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-10 14.25, "Glenn Poorman" wrote: >> the FCB doesn't treat CC commands as "momentary" switches, >> like it does Notes. I.E. it doesn't send "on" CC values when >> pressed and "off" CC values when released > > Is that right? You can't configure the FCB1010 to have some > switches work as momentary? That seems like a somewhat large > oversight to me. Yes, but it isn't. It's a typical case of inexpensive product design. As users we benefit from this by the price tag. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 09:11:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAEAC222302; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:10:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex Thread-Index: AcO/JoWkRlgV2mDFS2KSvrASdcvx/wAAKC9g From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 14:10:53.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C45A840:01C3BF27] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBAE9vd22204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> the FCB doesn't treat CC commands as "momentary" switches, > >> like it does Notes. I.E. it doesn't send "on" CC values when > >> pressed and "off" CC values when released > > > > Is that right? You can't configure the FCB1010 to have some > > switches work as momentary? That seems like a somewhat large > > oversight to me. > > Yes, but it isn't. It's a typical case of inexpensive product > design. As users we benefit from this by the price tag. I won't argue with that. I had gone through the manual pretty thoroughly at one point and was pretty astonished at all the FCB1010 provided for the price. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 11:11:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAGAWD19224; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:10:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:09:41 +0100 Subject: Re: boring old qustion about foot controlling the echoplex From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-10 15.10, "Glenn Poorman" wrote: >>>> the FCB doesn't treat CC commands as "momentary" switches, >>>> like it does Notes. I.E. it doesn't send "on" CC values when >>>> pressed and "off" CC values when released >>> >>> Is that right? You can't configure the FCB1010 to have some >>> switches work as momentary? That seems like a somewhat large >>> oversight to me. >> >> Yes, but it isn't. It's a typical case of inexpensive product >> design. As users we benefit from this by the price tag. > > I won't argue with that. I had gone through the manual pretty > thoroughly at one point and was pretty astonished at all the > FCB1010 provided for the price. > > Glenn I agree! It's the best bang for the buck out ther. They also seem to have been saving up production costs on the manual ;-) Not too easy to understand it. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 11:27:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAGQuw22489; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:26:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: GIG SPAM: Rivolta Arts & Wine Bar, Desenzano, Italy - Rainer Straschill: "Heidegger was Wrong" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:28:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c3bf3a$af474dc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill is looping again! Following an invitation by LD's own Luca Formentini (www.unguitar.com), the artist will perform his improvised sonic installation entitled: HEIDEGGER WAS WRONG in Rivolta Arts & Wine Bar in beautiful Italy, at Lago di Garda. Straschill is well-known for his weird sound experiments, as documented on his solo albums and from performances with his latest improvised dance outfit "Eclectic Blah". Sometimes, he even uses loops. Carrying along his assortment of synths, saxophones, VBass-enhanced bass guitar and weird electronics, the improvisation artist will once again do something he doesn't yet have the slightest idea what it will be like. Admission is free (as far as I know), the place is: Rivolta Arts & Wine Bar Via Parrocciale 16 Rivoltella, Desenzano Italy Begin of the performance is 'round 2130. If you happen to be there, make sure to say hello! Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 12:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAHANY32652; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3bf40$8b857fa0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <007f01c3bf23$ac3634a0$d520fea9@trucknutz> Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? proposal for a new thread Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.173.195] at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:09:46 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree whole heartedly with Steve. If the process (here, looping) becomes more interesting than the outcome (presumably here, music), then all the non-gearheads can nod-off or run to the bar or take a pee-break and hope the next person to hit the stage is more interesting than a bunch of blinking lights. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > > 3) What are your pet peeves about looping shows? > > that the 'looping' part becomes more important than the music part. > > Looping can be a great tool for getting some press (as Rick has so > masterfully shown in Santa Cruz), but for the musician, if that takes over, > you're doomed. The root of it all has to be musical - if it's technical, > you're not going to find an audience beyond other people who do the same > thing. The general public ARE interested in how looping works, but not to > the point where they'll put up with shit music just to watch the button > pushing. Great tunes + clever technology x great performance = winning > combo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 13:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAINqm14230; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:23:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:23:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c3bf4a$b8518060$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312101611.hBAGBR819428@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: thoughts on building community in the Live Looping scene Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:54:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really nice comments, Steve!!! You wrote: "not at all. An individual might not like what they think it represents in terms of the elavation of gear to headline status, but you've made it work, Rick (though I have a suspicion that with your unhuman levels of commitment, enthusiasm and positivity you'd be able to make a 'midgets juggling turds festival' work - you're a whirlwind, my dear fellow :o)" I'm sorry but I just can't get the image of a MIDGETS JUGGLING TURDS FESTIVAL out of my mind.....................gosh, that cracked me up. I also appreciate your very sweet and generous comments about what I've accomplished in Santa Cruz, although I must admit that I felt a little nervous having so much attributed to my work. The mention of my name several times in your letter made me squirm (but in that nice way of being singled out in third grade, self conciously for having written a good paper). I have worked hard but I only worked for a community full of people who I've grown to love and admire and be inspired by. To carry the metaphor above further 'You can't polish a turd'. I, agree, though, Steve with your assessment and do think it is true that there are ususally scenes around hard working ambitious people who are community oriented like Hans Lindauer, Peter Koniuto, Massimo Liverani, Os, Matt Davignon, Jon Wagner, Per Boysen,Leander Reininghaus and Andreas Willers but I really saw incredible potential on my summer looping tour for the active building of this community so that it might have a viable economic presence someday in the musical world. Massimo Liverani has become a powerhouse with the Italian Live Loopers Guild and Officine Chromain Florence since the first fantastic festival that he produced this past summer. He just totally inspires me and I hope that all the Italian loopers get in touch with him about playing the events that he is promoting currently. Also, the town I live in has a large part to do with some of the moderate success that looping has had and that is down to the people. I counted the other day and there are 19 live loopers who perform occasionally in Santa Cruz. Out of a population of 50,000 people that's pretty cool, but it is not unique. I was really impressed, for example, by the diversity and high quality of the looping communities in Florence, Berlin, Cambridge and Lucerne and feel like there is the potential for a lot of growth in other communities that I visited as well. The fact that we are talking in this way is a good sign and I think the scene that is being created can incorporate everyone from those who believe in it as a scene to those who think that looping shouldn't be singled out as anything more special than any other tool. I got out the poster for the first Bass Looping Festival the other day (which was the first such show that I ever produced, merely as an excuse to get you a gig in Santa Cruz, Steve..........lol) and I just smiled and marvelled at how far we've come since then. It's been a pleasure, for the most part, I have to say.......................even agreeing with Andy's comments that all publicity is bullshit, isn't it.............lol rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 13:48:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAIkNC18046; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:46:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: thoughts on building community in the Live Looping scene Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: thoughts on building community in the Live Looping scene Thread-Index: AcO/SvVp4V4F9tZXTwm3EJERhQQvpgAArjdw From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 18:46:58.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDE16520:01C3BF4D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBAIjcd17932 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The fact that we are talking in this way is a good sign and I think the > scene that is being created can incorporate everyone from those who believe > in it as a scene to those who think that looping shouldn't be singled out as > anything more special than any other tool. I'm curious as to how many others might be on this list in the vicinity of southeast Michigan. Every summer, Detroit hosts an "electronic music festival" that is extremely well attended. While this generally focuses on techno, hip-hop, turntables, etc, I'm starting to wonder if there is any room for the likes of us in there somewhere. It would certainly be cool exposure as it is covered internationally. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 13:53:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAIqiY19049; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c3bf4e$ceaceee0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <1c9.12efe81a.2d0762d2@aol.com> Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:52:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.173.195] at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:51:56 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I personally believe performances are best when they are about 2 "songs" too short -- better to leave an audience wanting more than the audience wanting to leave... If it takes you 20 minutes to "get it going," find a way to play 20 minutes before you hit the stage. :-) Between 1998 and 2001 I helped organize about 10 looping shows in Boston and Providence. Most of these involved solo players. I found most of the time after 10-15 minutes a person seems to run out of gas, repeats him/herself, or in some way seems less compelling. OK. Here are a few ideas I would suggest might be helpful to organizing good looping events; 1) Communicate clearly and repeatedly what the load-in, on stage logistics and set-times are going to be. If you're signing up to organize an event, then feel free to organize! Also, learn before-hand what set-up people will be bringing. Spend time with the soundperson communicating the evenings "agenda/sequence." 2) Require that all the musicians get their act together technically and musically. I had a simple rule during "The Looper Collective" shows: expect the club to provide the PA and the house/stage monitors and a sound-person, otherwise if you need to use it, bring it yourself. I would mention this many times. As many loopers don't perform a lot, they tend to forget things. - extension cords - guitar cables - d.i. boxes - amps (!) 2b) If possible, have everyone set-up BEFORE the show. If you have a large stage, it's a good idea to get everyone set-up before-hand. Everyone gets to have a sound-check and leave the stage. Set-up and tear-down for a looper can be lengthy -- better to avoid it while an audience is in the room. 3) Get each person to submit a 50-word artist statement / description that can appear in a playbill of flyer (not a resume!!!). This helps everyone understand what the musician is aiming to achieve. And gives us something to read when the performance lags... 4) Curate the event. That does not mean being everyone's friend. It means contextualizing things to have a "point" or "purpose" to the flow of things so the AUDIENCE gets the core thrust or message. If you have no core message to the event, that rocks too. But then don't pretend that you do! :-) 5) Structure the event to be AUDIENCE-oriented, AUDIENCE-focused. It seems most loopers are instrumental soloists and after 10-15 minutes frankly they can become repetitive, so keep individual set-lengths SHORT. Some artists ARE interesting for 45-60 minutes, but in my experience they are a very rare exception. If you have one of them on your event, others do not automatically deserve equal time. This structure is now probably done to death, but here's the flow I settled on for The Looper Collective shows at the time. The goal was to make things interesting for the audience and to get players to perform spontaneously too. This sequence presumes all equipment is on-stage and checked before the doors open. Segment I: ~1hr 4-6 musicians each with a 10-15 minutes solo-segment. Intermission ~ 15 minute Segment II: ~ 40 minutes 2-3 duets - where the previous solo artists spontaneously form pairs, sometimes trios. Segment III: ~ 15 minutes All-in scrum looping miasma orgyathon. Adding each "segment" together, each musician had about 45 minutes on stage. Not every TLC show followed this format. For example, David Barnes' Echo Chamber Ensemble (a 10-piece mini-orchestra that loops as it performs) became the center-piece for an evening, and everything revolved around it. Over three years of activity TLC featured looped didgeridoo, electric drums, marimba, chain-saws, tig-welding torch, upright-bass, keyboards, voice, flute, zither, turntables, piano, "super-mario brothers" game sounds, guitar/guitar-synthesizer, a mini-orchestra, thermin, violin and trumpet. The one time I succumbed to a night of "looping guitarists" there was a black leather pants and white frilly shirts dress code. They looked like gods. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? > the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the idea > of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to play > 40-45 mins.....at y2k3 lots of sets were just takin off and they were > over.....perhaps it should be up to the individual, the upper limit might be 40 mins. > but if they want to play less so be it.....this might require a reduction in > artists but i feel that it removes the pressure of setting up, wipeing the > sweat off, hoping your sound is right, performing and then getting the heck off > stage.....3 days, some 30 players is a lot to digest.....also some time might > be set aside for an open jam, this would allow these mostly solo players a > chance to see what it is like to interact musically with other folk in a looping > context.....good thread rick!.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 14:02:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAJ0ns21944; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:00:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:00:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c3bf4f$e12f4940$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:00:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.173.195] at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:59:37 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <-1g0Y.A.SSF.b021_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt - I really LOVE these three points!!! They're worth distributing to all would-be loopers with any shipments of new EDPs, Boomerangs, etc. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" > > >What are your pet peeves about looping shows? > > I have three, and they might get me into some hot water > > 1) Musicians who sound almost exactly like, imitate, or "play in the style > of" other, more famous musicians. I've had trouble selling shows as > "looping" events in San Francisco, since many of the people who see the word > looping think it's going to be a show of "Frippertronics". > > 2) The unspoken assumption that a musician is his gear. Actually, there are > a few mini-issues that coalesce into this one. My favorite musicians are the > ones who can turn out an amazing set, even if you take away their favorite > piece of equipment. A lot of my shows play to this idea, since I find it > exciting to see a person's sense of musical intuition presented in a > different light. A lot of looping/electric/electronic musicians depend on > one or more specific pieces of equipment for "their sound", which is the > phenomenon that leads to Guitar Center selling tons upon tons of guitar > distortion pedals and very few things that encourage people to find new and > unconventional ways to use them. > > 3) The mention of looping as a "some new thing that people need to learn > about". Looping's been around since the 40's, has been in popular music > since the 60's, and had its contemporary heyday in the 80's. Given, there > are uses, possibilities and contexts now that didn't exist then, but there > are very few Americans these days who haven't heard "looped music" already. ALSO: > Musicians should know when to stop! I've witnessed countless events where > the musicians "run out of juice", but continue to play for an extra 10, 15 > or 30 minutes. In a recent show, audience members really liked the guy at > the beginning of the set, but by the end decided that they'd never go to a > show by that guy again. If the guy quit when he was ahead, he'd have gained > about 5 or 6 new fans. SO TRUE SO TRUE SO TRUE... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 14:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAJD0I24404; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c3bf51$a8a44560$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:13:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.173.195] at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:12:21 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's true that longer pieces can be very interesting - especially listening to a recording of a show in the comfort of one's home. But the experience of the music live can be different, and has to contend with many distractions from chattering to tired backs. I always say their are at least three perspectives on a show: 1) from on the stage, 2) from in the audience, 3) from the recording of the performance. Each is valid and each can be completely different. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? > Later on at an outdoor festival in August I played a duo set with Per2Per > that clocked in for 59 minutes. From time to time I did feel a bit alienated > on stage but when listening back to the recording, and hearing it as the > audience heard it, I simply love it!!! When at stage I had no idea about the > strong vibe created by that music. I'm happy we kept it flowing for all that > time! > > Best wishes > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 15:29:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAKQuH05740; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:26:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:25:32 +0100 Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c3bf51$a8a44560$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-10 20.13, "David" wrote: > from chattering to tired backs. I always say their are at least three > perspectives on a show: 1) from on the stage, 2) from in the audience, 3) > from the recording of the performance. Each is valid and each can be > completely different. :-) > > David That's a good point. The 59 minutes gig occurred at a festival where people were sitting on the grass eating and drinking. So a loooong set was just the right setting. Usually that is not the case and you might be more successful in getting the music through by playing shorter pieces. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 15:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBAKYH107003; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:33:42 +0100 Subject: Repeater / UC-33 problems From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c3bf51$a8a44560$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I should have posted this question on the Repeater list but I'm not getting any mails these days from that list since my ISP slapped a spam filter over my account. Oh well... There are some Repeater users on LD as well, so here we go: I'm programming a the little midi mixer/controller Evolution UC-33 to control the Repeater and now I'm discovering that the UC-33 faders are sending midi controllers "upside down" to the Repeater. This is a real bummer 'cause at bottom of the fader I'm getting the loudest track volume out of the Repeater. And cranked all way up the fader silences the Repeater. So the question is if anyone happens to know if there's a way to reverse midi control values in either the UC-33 or the Repeater? Thank you Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 07:46:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBBCiYZ20487; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:44:07 -0500 Subject: test From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3153973447_2774530" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153973447_2774530 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --B_3153973447_2774530 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable test --B_3153973447_2774530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 08:01:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBBD0LQ24210; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Ruby Instruments Home To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira Milter 1.0.4; VAE 6.23.0.1; VDF 6.23.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On donderdag, dec 11, 2003, at 13:44 Europe/Amsterdam, todd reynolds wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 10:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBBFnkC21590; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:49:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:49:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:43:57 -0500 From: Blair Willis Subject: Re: Repeater / UC-33 problems In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Per Boysen Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7vl1l.A.NRF.ZIJ2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, I don't have my manual in front of me, but I believe it's a function called "drawbar mode" and is intended for Hammond organ type soft-synths to let the faders send reverse values and act as a drawbar pulling in and out. Check the manual, or I'll be glad to look it up when I'm at home. Blair On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 03:33 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I should have posted this question on the Repeater list but I'm not > getting > any mails these days from that list since my ISP slapped a spam filter > over > my account. Oh well... There are some Repeater users on LD as well, so > here > we go: > > I'm programming a the little midi mixer/controller Evolution UC-33 to > control the Repeater and now I'm discovering that the UC-33 faders are > sending midi controllers "upside down" to the Repeater. This is a real > bummer 'cause at bottom of the fader I'm getting the loudest track > volume > out of the Repeater. And cranked all way up the fader silences the > Repeater. > > So the question is if anyone happens to know if there's a way to > reverse > midi control values in either the UC-33 or the Repeater? > > Thank you > > Per Boysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 13:00:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBBHvER09359; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:57:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:57:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: MP3 Downloads Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MP3 Downloads Thread-Index: AcPAEF4PvxTKM6GgTCyVEVLtLmUaBA== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2003 17:58:23.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E57ADC0:01C3C010] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBBHvCd09337 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Figured I'd pass this along. I put some free MP3 downloads up on my website a few days ago. They are works in progress that are roughly mixed and unmastered. While the recording is multi-tracked for recording's sake, the tunes are accurate representations of a live solo performance using my Stick and my EDP. http://www.detroitstick.com/music/downloads Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 18:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBBNUqe04177; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:30:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.101.11.107] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com From: "Andy Morris" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:30:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2003 23:30:45.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD2894C0:01C3C03E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First off, I'd like to say hello to everyone. I am new to the list and somewhat new to the art of loops. My name is Andy Morris, I am from the state of Maryland. I have been playing guitar for about six years now and I first got turned onto the idea of looping by messing around with delay and feedback. Once I realized that this provided a small similarity to looping I wanted to be able to loop longer phrases and overdub on top of that. That's when I learned buying a loop pedal was perfect for me. So after saving money for a couple of months I bought a Boss RC-20 about a month and a half ago. I have noticed my playing has improved at a very satisfactory rate since than. I have been able to practice my soloing and work out new phrases to add to my music. I am still learning, but than again aren't we always? I am excited about being able to develop my abilities in this new way and since playing I have noticed a few things I would like to change if I could. One thing I like about a pedal like a Bommerang as opposed to my rc-20 is the foot roller volume control. If you want to fade out your loop on the rc-20 you have to bend down and twist the knob. Not practical as I'm sure you all know. I would like to be able to adjust the volume of the loop with a volume pedal without turning off the volume to my guitar. This way instead of just hitting stop I can fade out and segue to something totally different and it would sound alot better. So my question is if anyone out there knows what I can do to achieve this, especially if you use the rc-20, let me hear your ideas. Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar while I am fading the loop volume out. One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 to $400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to being part of this mailing list. Peace. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 18:34:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBBNXZp04641; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:33:36 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: RC-20 :: clear tone loop + sustain 2nd layer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000501c3c03f$32f89390$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1wQCU.A.YIB.P7P2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new here... god send this website is! I'm getting back into playing... my guitar's been in the closet for ten years... but I've been asked to dust it off to play again. I used to have an Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay but I sold it ages ago... I've been looking for something to replace it, and the Boss RC-20 looks like the safest bet for the money today, unless somebody has something better to suggest. I have not bought it yet. I'm scratching my head how I will be able write a clear tone rythm phrase, loop it, then lead over it with sustain/gain. Am I going to need two amps and an a/b foot switch to do this, or is there a way with the RC-20 to do this with just one amp? I have an old 5210 Marshall and I just bought a MG10CD practice amp. I'm thinking of hooking them up in sequence. I'm not concerned about loudness. For now I just want to set it up so I can practice writing rythm lines and then layering melody over them. If I could do this with just one practice amp, without having to lug out the 5210, that would be great. Anybody out there want to start me asking the right questions and guide me in the right direction? RemyC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC00Ce09518; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:00:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:00:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:00:00 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001a01c3c042$ea314d60$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, strange that we would both be newbie posting about the RC-20! Have you tried setting up a volume pedal "after" the RC-20? My problem might require two amps, or an amp with two channels. I might have to set up an a/b foot switch and go from one channel/amp to the next if I want to use different sound qualities on top of each other. I have an old Korg Poly-800, but I don't know if I'd want to sell it. I don't even know what it might be worth today. RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Morris" I would like to be able to adjust the volume of the loop with a volume pedal without turning off the volume to my guitar. This way instead of just hitting stop I can fade out and segue to something totally different and it would sound alot better. So my question is if anyone out there knows what I can do to achieve this, especially if you use the rc-20, let me hear your ideas. Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar while I am fading the loop volume out. One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 to $400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to being part of this mailing list. Peace. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:09:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC077E10650; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:07:08 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: new to looping, korg on ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002001c3c043$e231c440$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an old Korg Poly-800, but I don't know if I'd want to sell it. I don't even know what it might be worth today. [[ less than $100 on ebay... it's worth a lot more than that to me. But maybe it's just what you're looking for, There are six of them for sale there. It's got a great analog sound and 8 voices. You need to make sure you have a preset cassette tape that's in good shape. The memory wipes itself out the minute the batteries die out. It's a great keyboard to use with headphones on your lap. ]] RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Morris" One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 to $400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to being part of this mailing list. Peace. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:11:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC0A9111142; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:09:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001a01c3c042$ea314d60$b6705643@elfmaster> Thread-Index: AcPAQyVwk0rW6P0pTIGGQkOhN5w+GAAAO+CQ Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure how the RC20 is set up but couldn't you put it at the end of your effects chain so when you want to play over the loop you can add whatever sound characteristic desired to the signal without affecting the original loop? -----Original Message----- From: RemyC [mailto:remyc@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Hi Andy, strange that we would both be newbie posting about the RC-20! Have you tried setting up a volume pedal "after" the RC-20? My problem might require two amps, or an amp with two channels. I might have to set up an a/b foot switch and go from one channel/amp to the next if I want to use different sound qualities on top of each other. I have an old Korg Poly-800, but I don't know if I'd want to sell it. I don't even know what it might be worth today. RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Morris" I would like to be able to adjust the volume of the loop with a volume pedal without turning off the volume to my guitar. This way instead of just hitting stop I can fade out and segue to something totally different and it would sound alot better. So my question is if anyone out there knows what I can do to achieve this, especially if you use the rc-20, let me hear your ideas. Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar while I am fading the loop volume out. One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 to $400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to being part of this mailing list. Peace. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:14:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC0Cqr11658; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.1664d847.2d0a61fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:12:42 EST Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/11/03 3:31:52 PM, apmorris59@hotmail.com writes: << Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar while I am fading the loop volume out. >> Maybe as suggested, a volume pedal after the rc20 and an a/b switch before the pedal to thru the guitar, otherwise I guess you will need some kind of mixer set that allows for a volume pedal. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:24:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC0MQV12825; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <156.2986c5ce.2d0a643d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:22:21 EST Subject: Re: RC-20 :: clear tone loop + sustain 2nd layer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/11/03 3:33:53 PM, remyc@optonline.net writes: << I'm scratching my head how I will be able write a clear tone rythm phrase, loop it, then lead over it with sustain/gain. >> Not sure I get your drift, but there is an instrument input level knob and a pedal level knob, so you can lay down a loop then turn down the pedal level and crank up the instrument input level. Also Rolls makes some odd little mixer like devices that might allow you to a/b split the signal without switching to another amp. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:40:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC0cnF14866; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:49 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: RC-20 :: clear tone loop + sustain 2nd layer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003a01c3c048$4f402cd0$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <156.2986c5ce.2d0a643d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: instrument input level knob and a pedal level knob, so you can lay down a loop then turn down the pedal level and crank up the instrument input level. [[ That's interesting... I might be able to tweak the volume levels so that one can sound clean while the other is boosted, and balance them out like that, at least to practice. Live, the more I think about this, the more I realize I am going to need two amps or at least two separate channels for it to sound right, like two separate guitars playing. ]] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 19:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC0ihX15484; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:44:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: RC-20 :: clear tone loop + sustain 2nd layer Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:44:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003a01c3c048$4f402cd0$b6705643@elfmaster> Thread-Index: AcPASIIiVW4yFUNRR5+Dn3SujFV7nAAAF+Eg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: RemyC [mailto:remyc@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 :: clear tone loop + sustain 2nd layer [[ That's interesting... I might be able to tweak the volume levels so that one can sound clean while the other is boosted, and balance them out like that, at least to practice. Live, the more I think about this, the more I realize I am going to need two amps or at least two separate channels for it to sound right, like two separate guitars playing. ]] Or just get a dedicated looper and run your effects in front of it - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 20:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC1rV125541; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FD91E57.7040405@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:48:07 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7wE4q.A.-OG.b-R2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is the main way I use looping - that is, by fading loops in and out of dry playing. I split the signal from my guitar with an A/B box, send A direct to the amp, and B through loopers and delays into a volume pedal. Usually I use two amps and run B into the second, but sometimes I'll just plug B into the second input of one of my Fenders. It also works fine just to sum them back together with another A/B box, or even a Y-cable. The Y-cable is the worst in terms of losing some signal, and the A/B box isn't perfect (impedance issues that others can talk about better than I - in fact this thread was discussed a bit previously, check the archives), but it works fine for me as a simple solution. Some of the advantages of this are that your dry guitar signal isn't running through your looper, so it's more or less pristine (and if your complicated looper setup goes down, you've still got guitar sound!). Also you can easily switch guitar on and off going into your looper with the switches on the A/B - it's fun just to feed it little bits and pieces, then fade it up with the volume control. You can also switch off the dry guitar altogether, and just have it come back through your loop all nice n' mangled. With the EDP and its footcontroller you can do most if not all of this, but I myself would probably still have the splitter in front for the clean path option. Make sure to set the looper at 100% mix (assuming you have this control). Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 21:08:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC25B228576; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:05:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c3c054$6175c5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: Subject: OT: important message for Luis Angulo Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:04:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3C011.414ABD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3C011.414ABD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Important message for Luis Angulo: Dear Luis, I've not heard back from you after several e-mails. Would you please write me at purplehand@hotmail.com? I'm afraid your spam guard is filtering me out or that my server is not getting your mails. There is an important developement about our tour that I=20 need to discuss with you immediately. Thanks a lot, Rick Walker ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3C011.414ABD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3C011.414ABD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 21:30:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC2RK431051; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:27:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.39] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:27:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 02:27:13.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[7415CF60:01C3C057] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Andy This is Phill Wilson, Im from the UK, I can totally empathise with your situation , it wasnt much more then a year ago that I first bought an RC20 as my beginnings of a loop rig. Isnt it just the way, that as soon as you get a new piece of kit, you find you want ot do something just a little bit more then what you can easily do with it, trust me , as a brand new EDP user I can say it never seems to let up. I have however , thought up a pretty cost effective work around for you. if you bought an A/B box and placed it before your RC-20 with the single jack connected to your guitar. You could connect the A line to your RC-20 then into a (passive) volume pedal and then run line B past the RC20 to connect up with line A either at the input of a stereo FX(If you got em!) or into the second line of your amp(if you got one of them) or failing that into a splitter Y shaped cable (you get them from most music shops and I imagine Radioshack type places). In practice you could then play and loop till your hearts content, then switch from A to B and carry on playing whatever you dont need recorded, then simply reduce the volume of the RC-20 whilst you play on..........Voila!!! hope this is a help? Keep up the good work Phill >From: "Andy Morris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: new to looping, have question about rc-20 >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:30:45 +0000 > > First off, I'd like to say hello to everyone. I am new to the list and >somewhat new to the art of loops. My name is Andy Morris, I am from the >state of Maryland. I have been playing guitar for about six years now and I >first got turned onto the idea of looping by messing around with delay and >feedback. Once I realized that this provided a small similarity to looping >I wanted to be able to loop longer phrases and overdub on top of that. >That's when I learned buying a loop pedal was perfect for me. > So after saving money for a couple of months I bought a Boss RC-20 about >a month and a half ago. I have noticed my playing has improved at a very >satisfactory rate since than. I have been able to practice my soloing and >work out new phrases to add to my music. I am still learning, but than >again aren't we always? I am excited about being able to develop my >abilities in this new way and since playing I have noticed a few things I >would like to change if I could. One thing I like about a pedal like a >Bommerang as opposed to my rc-20 is the foot roller volume control. If you >want to fade out your loop on the rc-20 you have to bend down and twist the >knob. Not practical as I'm sure you all know. > I would like to be able to adjust the volume of the loop with a volume >pedal without turning off the volume to my guitar. This way instead of just >hitting stop I can fade out and segue to something totally different and it >would sound alot better. So my question is if anyone out there knows what I >can do to achieve this, especially if you use the rc-20, let me hear your >ideas. Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar while I am >fading the loop volume out. > One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works >with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place >next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 to >$400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to being >part of this mailing list. Peace. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 >months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 22:02:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC2xtC04117; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.39] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:59:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 02:59:47.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[00AC1E30:01C3C05C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there again Just though Id better say sorry to all the other people on list who said exactly what I did , BEFORE I did, I wasnt being in anyway malicious or meaning to look stupid either, I just happened to pick today of all days to read from the oldest post to the new. Belive me I will now return to my time honoured backwards method, I remember why I started doing it now. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 22:36:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC3Tlw09114; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:29:42 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001701c3c060$2e574310$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No need for apology on this end... as a newbie to the list, I'm enjoying the detail... Since I still havn't ordered the RC-20, is everybody in agreement that it's the best for the money? How sensitive are the foot switches? I have other Boss pedals, and frankly, I'd rather the swivel covers were not on them. I'd prefer the more direct click the knob approach. Can the covers be removed on the RC-20 to just actuate the pedal switches without the extra covers? RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "lol c" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Hi there again Just though Id better say sorry to all the other people on list who said exactly what I did , BEFORE I did, I wasnt being in anyway malicious or meaning to look stupid either, I just happened to pick today of all days to read from the oldest post to the new. Belive me I will now return to my time honoured backwards method, I remember why I started doing it now. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 23:04:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC423Q15351; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.39] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping sound and image Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:01:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 04:01:57.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFF30DB0:01C3C064] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 06:23 PM 12/6/03 -0000, you wrote: > > Hi, I don't know how aware anyone on this list is of > >installation art practice and so on, but if anyone can refer me to >similar > >or related work or literature, or simply share any thoughts about what I > >am trying to, that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter. Hi Peter and other peeps. So sorry to arrive at this party so late, it wasnt for fashion , its just cos im a busy bee. Im currantly in my second year of a Ba (hons) Fine Art degree course at Cumbria institute of the Arts. Its pretty funny that someone else should bring this up. I have been meaning to use this forum to try and collect me thoughts, share and recieve opinions about Installation and Phonic art.....looks like this is as good an oppertunity as any. This year I have devoted a whole project to Phonic art. I began by looking at the concepts of time, bellow is my first Project Outline. I chose to concentrate my research and practice on the theme of Fragments of the past. I began by looking at the ideas, imagery and connotations of concepts such as “memory”, ”the physical and metaphysical state of being” and “permanence through repetition”. This project has taken a highly technological approach to the subject and I have been very influenced by my trials of various methods of capturing fragments of time in a technological manner. I have come to a conclusion that Technology it the key to immortality, I aim to investigate this avenue of thought further and deeper in the coming weeks. I have also become very involved with Loops and repetition as a form of replaying the past or holding a space of time for longer then its normal transient duration. I have been working extensively to this end using sound and video, indeed a major vein of my project now lies in this direction. The other area of interest that has opened up to me through research and investigation it that I have become intrigued by the notion that I held at first about digital technology being the truest form of capture and therefore the nearest device to recreating a real life phenomena such as sound or vision. While this still holds true in terms of being the closest representation, I have found it interesting to look closely at the parts of the “digital reflection” or image of a real life event that are the least true or the most pliable to manipulation. For instance while on one level a 24bit sound capture is almost “perfect” in its likeness to the original, the properties of space, volume and reproducibility are ripe for investigation and manipulation. sorry if that was a little long winded. anyways. basically I have made some Boxes with hidden mics and speakers in them that can capture the sounds made as a person begings a journey up a flight of stairs, at the half way point it replays the journey so far whilst also capturing what sounds the person is making there, then finally at the top of the stairs it it playing the sum sound of the whole journey. I am also using live looping in a reading of a monologue about time. one person reads whilst I capture fragments and creates rythmic nonsensically-profound sentences. the next piece i am to undertake will be a video installation where sounds and images from two citys (new york and Bangkok) are looped and made to interact with one another. At the moment I am on the lookout to mail off list, anyone who has any expertese it setting up quadrophonic systems where sounds can be manipulated to run around a room etc. anyone out there thinking yer thats me, get in touch. also all the other artist peeps who have started this thread, I would love to talk at more legnth, i have MSN if that would be suitable, I also have images of work ive done etc. mail me.. thanks one and all Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 23:11:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC475715992; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: A/B for sale--was RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:06:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPAV4TYbtSvRmVyQTikdC2PK+ZT/QADWHZw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you bought an A/B box and placed it before your RC-20 with the single jack connected to your guitar. You could connect the A line to your RC-20 then into a (passive) volume pedal and then run line B past the RC20 to connect up with line A either at the input of a stereo FX(If you got em!) or into the second line of your amp(if you got one of them) or failing that into a splitter Y shaped cable (you get them from most music shops and I imagine Radioshack type places). In practice you could then play and loop till your hearts content, then switch from A to B and carry on playing whatever you dont need recorded, then simply reduce the volume of the RC-20 whilst you play on..........Voila!!! -----> I bought a Morley a/b/y box to use with the EFC-7 controller for the EDP and have not been using it. I would sell this one for $30 plus USPS shipping (what, $5?) to anyone stateside from this list who wanted it-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 01:26:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC6P2002111; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:25:00 -0800 Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c3bf4f$e12f4940$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some observations: * Multi-instrumentalists are more interesting to watch as loopers. In part this is just because it's less common to see someone playing multiple instruments, but I also think it helps with appreciating the looping because the audience can map what they are hearing in the loop to what they saw performed earlier and it's clearly separate from what is being played now. * To a somewhat lesser but still relevant extent, people who use a series of different instruments but generally only use one per piece get more variety in their sets. This includes people like Bill Walker who play a series of different guitars with each guitar more or less setting the style for the piece. * Let's face it. If you take away lyrics, unless a performer covers a pretty wide range of stylistic territory, playing the same instrument over and over again tends to make everything sound similar for most of the audience. This may be an argument in favor of playing fewer longer pieces rather than more short ones because it reduces the "but I just heard you play a looped didgeridoo piece" effect. Another choice would be looping melodies that people already know so that the known melodies provide a point of distinction between the pieces for the audience. * As a counter-point, multi-instrumentalists generally seem to take longer to set up and soundcheck which is a bad thing in the festivals I've been involved with. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 01:58:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC6vVx05546; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:57:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:57:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c3c07d$56759fa0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: looping spoken word Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:58:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.185.204] at Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:57:28 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone here do vocals or stories or narration or comedy with their looper? rOSS Hamlin in Boston did some great vocal and story-looping. I'm curious if anyone else is. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 02:05:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC73hF07758; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:03:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:03:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:03:38 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett & Steve Ball at SodoPop, 12/12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4F432609-2C71-11D8-A4FF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing a rare duo looping gig with Steve Ball Friday evening at SodoPop, providing music for an art opening thing they're having. Things start at 8PM at 2424 1st Avenue. More details at: http://www.seattleartshow.com/ Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 03:31:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBC8TEe17761; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:29:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031212082908.7672.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to know how many of us loopers are utilizing drum machines live.Some people shy away from them because they tend to sound sterile and repetitive, others sequence the patterns so they don´t sound so repetitive but i find a lot of people still find this live "not very authentic"... I had a lot of fun playing with Rick and watching him syncronize his voice drum loops to mine, he is brilliant at building organic drum loops with his voice, utensils etc. but at the same time i enjoy hearing Claude Voits drum machine syncronized pattern changes triggered by the EDP. I tend to just let a drum loop run from my Boss dr 660 and constantly record new loops into the EDP, using it simply more like a backing track but i would like to use it more intuitively and make it more spontaneous to my live loop improvisations. so i would like your opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler better than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones work well with the EDP and how do you employ them live? Louie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 05:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCA6bV30894; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c3c097$a4074380$0e00000a@ptmob> Reply-To: "Peter Todd" From: "Peter Todd" To: References: <20031212082908.7672.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:06:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Use a computer. :-) Reaktor has an online user library were people have put up all kinds of drum machines, looping tools, you name it. These can be controlled by midi, and made to interact with each other / trigger changes etc. Many possibilities for more spontaneous improv. pd is free but less accessable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES > I would like to know how many of us loopers are > utilizing drum machines live.Some people shy away from > them because they tend to sound sterile and > repetitive, others sequence the patterns so they don´t > sound so repetitive but i find a lot of people still > find this live "not very authentic"... > I had a lot of fun playing with Rick and watching him > syncronize his voice drum loops to mine, he is > brilliant at building organic drum loops with his > voice, utensils etc. but at the same time i enjoy > hearing Claude Voits drum machine syncronized pattern > changes triggered by the EDP. > I tend to just let a drum loop run from my Boss dr 660 > and constantly record new loops into the EDP, using it > simply more like a backing track but i would like to > use it more intuitively and make it more spontaneous > to my live loop improvisations. > so i would like your > opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler better > than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones > work well with the EDP and how do you employ them > live? > Louie > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 07:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCCstp22456; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:54:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:54:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:54:55 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c3c0af$247716a0$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [[ That's the price new at zzounds... and the reviews on it are not very good. They say it makes a loud click. You'd need a noise gate after it. http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--RLLABY32 RC ]] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" -----> I bought a Morley a/b/y box to use with the EFC-7 controller for the EDP and have not been using it. I would sell this one for $30 plus USPS shipping (what, $5?) to anyone stateside from this list who wanted it-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 08:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCDKI626694; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:20:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:20:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new to looping, have question about rc-20 Thread-Index: AcPAYHGRbxdQgnflT86JSv6NqxR5TQAUev3w From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 13:21:38.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF7A1EE0:01C3C0B2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBCDKHd26666 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since I still havn't ordered the RC-20, is everybody in > agreement that it's the best for the money? It seems like a good box. I would also toss in a plug for the Line6 DL4 delay modeler as well. That's what I used as my first looper and I really enjoyed it for the money. The RC-20 has some advantages in that you can get more than one loop into it. I believe the loop time is longer as well. One thing that bothered me though (and please anyone correct me if I'm wrong about this) was that I couldn't see a way with the RC-20 to record a loop and then end the loop going right into overdub. In other words, to add a second layer that I wanted to start right on one, I had to let the loop play a second time and then overdub on the third. For some of the music I had, that was unacceptable but your mileage may vary. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 08:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCDSw427677; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:28:52 +0100 Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031212082908.7672.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-12-12 09.29, "Louie Angulo" wrote: . > so i would like your > opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler better > than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones > work well with the EDP and how do you employ them > live? > Louie Occasionally I've been using a groove box (MC-303) and this is a good alternative. I used to keep it on a mix fader to fade in now and then. On the box you can easily punch in and out different drum sounds to create variation. If you run the EDP as midi clock master you can also change program to one with another 8th/cycle setting and this will have the groove box play in another tempo while the EDP is staying the same. Another cool alternative is to keep a microphone and punch in doing vocal beat boxing when you need a groove. Takes some practice though. Now I tend to like this more than the groove box. Besides, a groove box is very heavy to drag around. A third alternative I have also been using is to put a computer as a midi clock slave and use some software for beats. One especially cool thing I discovered once was to run Logic with a autofilter plug-in. That auto-filter had its cut-off parameter side-chained from an audio input fed from my live guitar playing. I had some Burundi Drummers loops going on the laptop and the harder I hit a string on the guitar the more treble was let through that filter. So the drummers got sharper when I played harder. Another nice software to bring grooves into a loop performance is Ableton Live. The good thing is that this program can play audio loops in just about any tempo - like the Repeater. I can go down from 200 BPM to 10 BPM and the laptop will follow my EDP. But I think the Repeater still sounds better on those trashed out slow motion beats. But the Live software can apply lots of interesting plug-ins which is yet another universe to explore. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 08:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCDd2128667; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Thread-Index: AcPAikYLJ8S/cb/dSe6Oco0LgXiZ6QAKk/HA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 13:40:23.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DEFD8B0:01C3C0B5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBCDd1d28641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Boss DR-770 but it only gets used on a fraction of my tunes. My setup allows me to use the machine in one of two ways. The stereo output of my Stick runs into a stereo line mixer as does my synth output (controlled by the Roland pickup on the melody side of my Stick) and my drum machine. Each channel on the line mixer has a send for the effects loop. The effects loop of the mixer is running to two EDPs (right to one, left to the other for stereo). So at any given time, I use the sends to control what gets looped and what doesn't. With the drum machine, mostly I don't loop it but instead use the EDP to start/stop and sync with it. Mostly, I have entire songs pre-programmed but do occasionally just let a pattern go until I shut it off. Another thing I'll do once in a while if I'm improvising is to NOT sync the EDP to the drum machine but, instead, turn up the send on the drum machines channel and manually feed some percussion into the loop. Creative use of drum machine in a performance is an area that I admittedly need lots of work in. One thing I try to do though is avoid programming lines that are supposed to sound like a drummer. Fills and cymbal crashes are just a couple of examples of things you'll probably never hear. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES > > I would like to know how many of us loopers are > utilizing drum machines live.Some people shy away from > them because they tend to sound sterile and > repetitive, others sequence the patterns so they don´t > sound so repetitive but i find a lot of people still > find this live "not very authentic"... > I had a lot of fun playing with Rick and watching him > syncronize his voice drum loops to mine, he is > brilliant at building organic drum loops with his > voice, utensils etc. but at the same time i enjoy > hearing Claude Voits drum machine syncronized pattern > changes triggered by the EDP. > I tend to just let a drum loop run from my Boss dr 660 > and constantly record new loops into the EDP, using it > simply more like a backing track but i would like to > use it more intuitively and make it more spontaneous > to my live loop improvisations. > so i would like your > opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler better > than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones > work well with the EDP and how do you employ them > live? > Louie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 08:52:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCDoMU29909; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:50:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:50:23 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20/PS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005101c3c0b6$e3ba8ae0$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry... this is the Morley... but the review is the same, too loud a click to use live. http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--MLYABY $44.95 new... RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "RemyC" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20 [[ That's the price new at zzounds... and the reviews on it are not very good. They say it makes a loud click. You'd need a noise gate after it. http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--RLLABY32 RC ]] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" -----> I bought a Morley a/b/y box to use with the EFC-7 controller for the EDP and have not been using it. I would sell this one for $30 plus USPS shipping (what, $5?) to anyone stateside from this list who wanted it-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 09:02:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCDtXF30498; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:55:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:55:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:55:34 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: A/B Box pick - the Whirlwind To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <005701c3c0b7$9d858fb0$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: http://www.zzounds.com/item--WHRSELECTOR Whirlwind Selector A/B Box $89.95 Thanks to our patented, state-of-the-art optical switching, there's no added noise, pops, or crackles. [[ Not cheap, but it seems to be the only a/b box out there that's silent. RC ]] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 09:09:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCE4Ju32531; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:04:19 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Whirlwind contact information To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <005b01c3c0b8$d6a55220$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.whirlwindusa.com/selec.html Whirlwind Music Dist., Inc. 99 Ling Road Rochester NY 14612 585 663-8820 888-733-4396 (toll free - U.S.) 585 865-8930 (fax) From: http://www.zzounds.com/item--WHRSELECTOR Whirlwind Selector A/B Box $89.95 Thanks to our patented, state-of-the-art optical switching, there's no added noise, pops, or crackles. [[ Not cheap, but it seems to be the only a/b box out there that's silent. RC ]] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 09:16:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCEDBv01178; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:13:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:13:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10672.129.33.49.251.1071238411.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:13:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [LOOP] A/B Box pick - the Whirlwind From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RemyC wrote: > From: > http://www.zzounds.com/item--WHRSELECTOR > Whirlwind Selector A/B Box $89.95 > Thanks to our patented, state-of-the-art optical switching, there's no > added noise, pops, or crackles. > > [[ Not cheap, but it seems to be the only a/b box out there that's > silent. RC ]] I use a Whirlwind Selector at the top of my signal chain to alternate/merge my Chapman Stick and theremin into the effects series. It's as silent as I have ears to tell, and works perfectly for me. best, Steve Subscape Annex (show tomorrow night, Raleigh, NC, USA: say hello if you're out, details on website below) http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 09:16:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCECH301067; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.239.23.173] X-Originating-Email: [handyc7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: handyc7@hotmail.com From: "Randy Craig" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 pedals only hinder time?HELP!!!!! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:12:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 14:12:11.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFA8B680:01C3C0B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am new to this list but I have been using the RC-20 for over half a year, and now I use two; one for vocals and one for guitar. Like other loopers, i am using two loop units to synch but also separate when I want to. And I am sure, as others have found, it requires perfect timing to keep two units "non-midi synched" in synch. I find this to be a very tiring chunk of rehearsal (because its hit or miss when i nail it). I was wondering though if any of you have thought that the tension on the pedals on the RC-20 is tight enought to only make timing worse? I love how compact the unit is and its loop time, but is my only option, to not go through time intensive rehearsal getting timing down, buying two midi-synched units? or could I get away with just buying one midi-synched unit? Is midi synch hard to use? and if i had to buy one, is the EDP the way to go? I know these are alot of questions, but this problem is keeping me up at night. HELP!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 10:34:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCFWOq12271; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:32:06 -0500 From: brian carabee Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007d01c3c0c5$1a821990$6501a8c0@ws1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001701c3c060$2e574310$b6705643@elfmaster> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out the Boomerang phrase sampler. It's a little more expensive than the unit you're looking at, but it offers simple operation for live situations, and a "foot roller" volume control for adjusting the overall volume of the loops. There is also a foot switch to toggle your dry signal in and out. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "RemyC" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: new to looping, have question about rc-20 > No need for apology on this end... as a newbie to the list, I'm enjoying the > detail... > Since I still havn't ordered the RC-20, is everybody in agreement that it's > the best for the money? > How sensitive are the foot switches? I have other Boss pedals, and frankly, > I'd rather the swivel covers were not on them. I'd prefer the more direct > click the knob approach. Can the covers be removed on the RC-20 to just > actuate the pedal switches without the extra covers? > RC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 10:34:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCFVs612172; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:31:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:31:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031212153148.87228.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Glenn, this is in fact exactly how i use it i just bought the filter queen and the eq killer to start experimenting changing the sound of the normal drum machine...maybe that will calm me down;-) --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I use a Boss DR-770 but it only gets used on a > fraction > of my tunes. My setup allows me to use the machine > in one > of two ways. The stereo output of my Stick runs into > a > stereo line mixer as does my synth output > (controlled by > the Roland pickup on the melody side of my Stick) > and my > drum machine. Each channel on the line mixer has a > send > for the effects loop. The effects loop of the mixer > is > running to two EDPs (right to one, left to the other > for > stereo). So at any given time, I use the sends to > control > what gets looped and what doesn't. > > With the drum machine, mostly I don't loop it but > instead > use the EDP to start/stop and sync with it. Mostly, > I have > entire songs pre-programmed but do occasionally just > let > a pattern go until I shut it off. Another thing I'll > do > once in a while if I'm improvising is to NOT sync > the EDP > to the drum machine but, instead, turn up the send > on the > drum machines channel and manually feed some > percussion > into the loop. > > Creative use of drum machine in a performance is an > area > that I admittedly need lots of work in. One thing I > try to > do though is avoid programming lines that are > supposed to > sound like a drummer. Fills and cymbal crashes are > just a > couple of examples of things you'll probably never > hear. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:29 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES > > > > I would like to know how many of us loopers are > > utilizing drum machines live.Some people shy away > from > > them because they tend to sound sterile and > > repetitive, others sequence the patterns so they > don´t > > sound so repetitive but i find a lot of people > still > > find this live "not very authentic"... > > I had a lot of fun playing with Rick and watching > him > > syncronize his voice drum loops to mine, he is > > brilliant at building organic drum loops with his > > voice, utensils etc. but at the same time i enjoy > > hearing Claude Voits drum machine syncronized > pattern > > changes triggered by the EDP. > > I tend to just let a drum loop run from my Boss dr > 660 > > and constantly record new loops into the EDP, > using it > > simply more like a backing track but i would like > to > > use it more intuitively and make it more > spontaneous > > to my live loop improvisations. > > so i would like your > > opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler > better > > than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones > > work well with the EDP and how do you employ them > > live? > > Louie > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 10:39:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCFaD712964; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:36:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:36:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031212153606.32674.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a special microphone you use to do this? i supose one that would overdrive a bit would give an interesting lo-fi sound which i love... Cheers Louie --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 03-12-12 09.29, "Louie Angulo" > wrote: > . > > so i would like your > > opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler > better > > than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones > > work well with the EDP and how do you employ them > > live? > > Louie > > > Occasionally I've been using a groove box (MC-303) > and this is a good > alternative. I used to keep it on a mix fader to > fade in now and then. On > the box you can easily punch in and out different > drum sounds to create > variation. If you run the EDP as midi clock master > you can also change > program to one with another 8th/cycle setting and > this will have the groove > box play in another tempo while the EDP is staying > the same. > > Another cool alternative is to keep a microphone and > punch in doing vocal > beat boxing when you need a groove. Takes some > practice though. Now I tend > to like this more than the groove box. Besides, a > groove box is very heavy > to drag around. > > A third alternative I have also been using is to put > a computer as a midi > clock slave and use some software for beats. One > especially cool thing I > discovered once was to run Logic with a autofilter > plug-in. That auto-filter > had its cut-off parameter side-chained from an audio > input fed from my live > guitar playing. I had some Burundi Drummers loops > going on the laptop and > the harder I hit a string on the guitar the more > treble was let through that > filter. So the drummers got sharper when I played > harder. > > Another nice software to bring grooves into a loop > performance is Ableton > Live. The good thing is that this program can play > audio loops in just about > any tempo - like the Repeater. I can go down from > 200 BPM to 10 BPM and the > laptop will follow my EDP. But I think the Repeater > still sounds better on > those trashed out slow motion beats. But the Live > software can apply lots of > interesting plug-ins which is yet another universe > to explore. > > -- > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 11:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCGIUW20671; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:18:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:18:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A/B for sale--RC-20/PS Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:18:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3C0CB.90895800" Resent-Message-ID: <908m3.A.4CF.Vpe2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C0CB.90895800 Content-Type: text/plain I use my Morley for gigs every week and have never noticed a click. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: RemyC [mailto:remyc@optonline.net] >>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:50 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20/PS >> >>Sorry... this is the Morley... >>but the review is the same, too loud a click to use live. >>http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--MLYABY >>$44.95 new... >>RC >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "RemyC" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:54 AM >>Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20 >> >> >>[[ That's the price new at zzounds... and the reviews on it >>are not very >>good. They say it makes a loud click. You'd need a noise gate >>after it. >>http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--RLLABY32 >>RC ]] >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Relay" >>-----> I bought a Morley a/b/y box to use with the EFC-7 >>controller for the >>EDP and have not been using it. I would sell this one for >>$30 plus USPS >>shipping (what, $5?) to anyone stateside from this list who >>wanted it-- >>Gary >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C0CB.90895800 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A/B for sale--RC-20/PS

I use my Morley for gigs every week and have never = noticed a click.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: RemyC [mailto:remyc@optonline.net] =
>>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:50 = AM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20/PS
>>
>>Sorry... this is the Morley...
>>but the review is the same, too loud a click = to use live.
>>http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--MLYABY
>>$44.95 new...
>>RC
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "RemyC" = <remyc@optonline.net>
>>To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:54 = AM
>>Subject: Re: A/B for sale--RC-20
>>
>>
>>[[ That's the price new at zzounds... and = the reviews on it
>>are not very
>>good. They say it makes a loud click. You'd = need a noise gate
>>after it.
>>http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--RLLABY32
>>RC ]]
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Relay" = <relaydelayband@earthlink.net>
>>----->  I bought a Morley a/b/y box = to use with the EFC-7
>>controller for the
>>EDP and have not been using it.  I = would sell this one for
>>$30 plus USPS
>>shipping (what, $5?) to anyone stateside = from this list who
>>wanted it--
>>Gary
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C0CB.90895800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 11:49:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCGjMt23776; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:45:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.239.23.173] X-Originating-Email: [handyc7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: handyc7@hotmail.com From: "Randy Craig" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 pedals only hinder time?HELP!!!!! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:45:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 16:45:16.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[524B5DA0:01C3C0CF] Resent-Message-ID: <9r4rhD.A.YzF.iCf2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am new to looping and this website but I have owned an rc-20 for six months now and most recently have added another for my vocals. I have the intention to use both in synch but also have the ability to separate them when I want to. I have found this requires incredible time and my rehearsals have become very time intensive with hit and miss results. I love the sample quality of the RC-20, its compactibility and loop time, but I fell the tension on the actual pedals(as opposed to switches on other loop units) maybe even more of a reason I am getting even more inconsistent results with time. Is the RC-20 known for this? Is my only option to go to a Midi-synched unit to get good time? and would i need to get two of them in order to keep my vocals and guitar in synch at certain times but separate loops at other times? What do you guys suggest because i am seriously losing sleep over this. Randy Craig ps if this is the second posting i sent, it is only because I hadn't seen the first one post yet. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 12:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCH2au27614; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: KP1 vs. KP2 post scriptum Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:05:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c3c0d2$1e2915a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, having played my first performance using the Kaoss Pad II yesterday, may I add to my last post (or rather private mail, which got replied to here) the following: The KP2 lacks these wonderful, distorted filters the KP1 had. Maybe I just did not understand to use the KP2's filters correctly, but I kept longing for KP1's specific filter sounds (which I was using all the time). On the other hand, the KP2 does some things the KP1 doesn't, and these make the point for me: being able to take two independent samples in parallel to every algorithm, and then effect these with any algorithm is wonderful. Having MIDI-synced delay/modulated delay and gating effects, and one "looper" where you can successively trim a short loop to do these well-known rave/house cadencas is also an option I don't want to play without. And there are even some usable synth sounds and patterns (the latter ones also synced to MIDI). So, the short version: If you want lots of cool options, get the KP2. If you want the cool filters, get the KP1 instead. If you need both, get both... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 12:21:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCHJ7F29296; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" Subject: for sale: k2000vp fullsize keys sampler + more To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.6 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com k2000vp in excellent+++ shape, fullsized weighted keyboard version, come swith vhs instructional tape and instructions sp808 (needs new zip drive but tis easy to install one, i can do it or you can and pay a cheaper rate) comes with anvil flight case 2gb jaz drive teac 4track reel to reel needs some love but works pretty well! old b&w g3 needs a new chip (cheap) can buy chip on ebay. email me off list please! thanks! c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 12:36:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCHXKX30885; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:33:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:33:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Whirlwind contact information Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:33:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPAubQgKr8gjdZFQcKxaPh/GzfZMQAHDt2Q In-Reply-To: <005b01c3c0b8$d6a55220$b6705643@elfmaster> Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sometimes use the BOSS Line Selector pedal as an A/B - Never had any clicks with that one. -----Original Message----- From: RemyC [mailto:remyc@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:04 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Whirlwind contact information http://www.whirlwindusa.com/selec.html Whirlwind Music Dist., Inc. 99 Ling Road Rochester NY 14612 585 663-8820 888-733-4396 (toll free - U.S.) 585 865-8930 (fax) From: http://www.zzounds.com/item--WHRSELECTOR Whirlwind Selector A/B Box $89.95 Thanks to our patented, state-of-the-art optical switching, there's no added noise, pops, or crackles. [[ Not cheap, but it seems to be the only a/b box out there that's silent. RC ]] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 13:12:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCI7vu04651; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Humanizing Drum Machines Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:07:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 18:07:51.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB456EB0:01C3C0DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny that you should bring this up. I just brought my old drum machine out of the closet and decided to start using it again a few months ago. I've used it in a couple shows so far, but each time I've used it, it's been the center of my attention. I use a Dr-660 (Dr. Rhythm) which, if you use it the way it's supposed to be used, sets the stereotype for cheesy bad drum machine sound. I spent a lot of time designing really unique-sounding "drum kits" on it, and very rarely use the presets. One of the first things I did when I got it was get rid of all those awful bongo and cymbal sounds and replace them with something I don't feel I have to apologize for if I hit that pad. When performing with the drum machine, I almost never use pre-created percussion loops. I create them in real-time, often turning the beat correction on and off to suit my needs. (I like my drum machine loops to sound sloppy but have recognizeable rhythm.) Sometimes I press the keys randomly with the beat correction turned on to create an initial random-but-rhythmic loop, then build from that. Performing a drum machine in this way is a unique looping experience, since you can easily remove any single sound from your loop, even if it was one of your original layers. Once I have a good loop going, I alternate between adding/subtracting to it, and improvising with "record" turned off, often changing the parameters of each drum (like pitch) as it goes. I also apply a lot of effects to the output, since even when you build your own kits, they tend to sound like pre-sets. I found that additional echo/looping pedals tend to get a little too messy, so I settled on running it through my Dr. Sample, using the Dr. Sample specifically as an FX unit. (With the SP-303, you can quickly toggle between 6 different fx pads, one of which can be one of 20 different fx. It includes band-pass filters, bit-rate decimation, pitch shifter, and a number of other fun things.) So far, the main challenge has been to set my loops to be in time with other players. I'm not very good at dialing my tempo to match other things going on. It'd be nice if I could get some sort of tap-tempo thing going on. Matt >Louie Angulo done wrote: > >I would like to know how many of us loopers are >utilizing drum machines live.Some people shy away from >them because they tend to sound sterile and >repetitive, others sequence the patterns so they don´t >sound so repetitive but i find a lot of people still >find this live "not very authentic"... _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 13:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCIJ2p06193; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:19:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:19:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:18:56 +0100 Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031212153606.32674.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Louie, So far I have only been using my Audio-technica 831b that I also use for tenor sax. With a piece of gaffa tape I can move the little mic around ;-) When beatboxing through my analog filter bank before looping it sometimes sound like http://www.looproom.com/audio/trutorgel.mp3 The filter bank has a setting for High Pass which I love for mimicing a hihat sound. I also like to lay down a hihat pattern into the EDP in HalfSpeed and then go back do FullSpeed to bring it up an octave, make it even crispier and tighten up my sloopy beatboxing ;-) At http://www.humanbeatbox.com/ there are sound clips from diffent mic's and they all give a different sound. Those guys are also beatboxing through a compressor which makes the sound fatter. -- Best wishes Per On 03-12-12 16.36, "L. Angulo" wrote: > Is there a special microphone you use to do this? i > supose one that would overdrive a bit would give an > interesting lo-fi sound which i love... > Cheers > Louie > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> On 03-12-12 09.29, "Louie Angulo" >> wrote: >> . >>> so i would like your >>> opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler >> better >>> than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which ones >>> work well with the EDP and how do you employ them >>> live? >>> Louie >> >> >> Occasionally I've been using a groove box (MC-303) >> and this is a good >> alternative. I used to keep it on a mix fader to >> fade in now and then. On >> the box you can easily punch in and out different >> drum sounds to create >> variation. If you run the EDP as midi clock master >> you can also change >> program to one with another 8th/cycle setting and >> this will have the groove >> box play in another tempo while the EDP is staying >> the same. >> >> Another cool alternative is to keep a microphone and >> punch in doing vocal >> beat boxing when you need a groove. Takes some >> practice though. Now I tend >> to like this more than the groove box. Besides, a >> groove box is very heavy >> to drag around. >> >> A third alternative I have also been using is to put >> a computer as a midi >> clock slave and use some software for beats. One >> especially cool thing I >> discovered once was to run Logic with a autofilter >> plug-in. That auto-filter >> had its cut-off parameter side-chained from an audio >> input fed from my live >> guitar playing. I had some Burundi Drummers loops >> going on the laptop and >> the harder I hit a string on the guitar the more >> treble was let through that >> filter. So the drummers got sharper when I played >> harder. >> >> Another nice software to bring grooves into a loop >> performance is Ableton >> Live. The good thing is that this program can play >> audio loops in just about >> any tempo - like the Repeater. I can go down from >> 200 BPM to 10 BPM and the >> laptop will follow my EDP. But I think the Repeater >> still sounds better on >> those trashed out slow motion beats. But the Live >> software can apply lots of >> interesting plug-ins which is yet another universe >> to explore. >> >> -- >> Best wishes >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.looproom.com >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:59:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBCKuek29842; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031212205634.68489.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:56:34 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per thanks a million brother! cheers Louie --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Louie, > > So far I have only been using my Audio-technica 831b > that I also use for > tenor sax. With a piece of gaffa tape I can move the > little mic around ;-) > When beatboxing through my analog filter bank before > looping it sometimes > sound like > http://www.looproom.com/audio/trutorgel.mp3 The > filter bank has > a setting for High Pass which I love for mimicing a > hihat sound. I also > like to lay down a hihat pattern into the EDP in > HalfSpeed and then go back > do FullSpeed to bring it up an octave, make it even > crispier and tighten up > my sloopy beatboxing ;-) > > At http://www.humanbeatbox.com/ there are sound > clips from diffent mic's and > they all give a different sound. Those guys are also > beatboxing through a > compressor which makes the sound fatter. > > -- > Best wishes > > Per > > > On 03-12-12 16.36, "L. Angulo" > wrote: > > > Is there a special microphone you use to do this? > i > > supose one that would overdrive a bit would give > an > > interesting lo-fi sound which i love... > > Cheers > > Louie > > > > > > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 03-12-12 09.29, "Louie Angulo" > >> wrote: > >> . > >>> so i would like your > >>> opinions,techniques,recomendations is a sampler > >> better > >>> than a groove box ? or a drum machine? Which > ones > >>> work well with the EDP and how do you employ > them > >>> live? > >>> Louie > >> > >> > >> Occasionally I've been using a groove box > (MC-303) > >> and this is a good > >> alternative. I used to keep it on a mix fader to > >> fade in now and then. On > >> the box you can easily punch in and out different > >> drum sounds to create > >> variation. If you run the EDP as midi clock > master > >> you can also change > >> program to one with another 8th/cycle setting and > >> this will have the groove > >> box play in another tempo while the EDP is > staying > >> the same. > >> > >> Another cool alternative is to keep a microphone > and > >> punch in doing vocal > >> beat boxing when you need a groove. Takes some > >> practice though. Now I tend > >> to like this more than the groove box. Besides, a > >> groove box is very heavy > >> to drag around. > >> > >> A third alternative I have also been using is to > put > >> a computer as a midi > >> clock slave and use some software for beats. One > >> especially cool thing I > >> discovered once was to run Logic with a > autofilter > >> plug-in. That auto-filter > >> had its cut-off parameter side-chained from an > audio > >> input fed from my live > >> guitar playing. I had some Burundi Drummers loops > >> going on the laptop and > >> the harder I hit a string on the guitar the more > >> treble was let through that > >> filter. So the drummers got sharper when I played > >> harder. > >> > >> Another nice software to bring grooves into a > loop > >> performance is Ableton > >> Live. The good thing is that this program can > play > >> audio loops in just about > >> any tempo - like the Repeater. I can go down from > >> 200 BPM to 10 BPM and the > >> laptop will follow my EDP. But I think the > Repeater > >> still sounds better on > >> those trashed out slow motion beats. But the Live > >> software can apply lots of > >> interesting plug-ins which is yet another > universe > >> to explore. > >> > >> -- > >> Best wishes > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se > >> www.looproom.com > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 20:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBD1KWm07077; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:20:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:20:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031212182414.01b0b100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? In-Reply-To: <005501c3bf51$a8a44560$0affff0a@hppav> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <1RR-bC.A.fuB.glm2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent point David. One thing that hasn't really been mentioned here so far, is that the point of seeing a live show, is to do exactly that, SEE the show. So, this lends the additional perspectives you mentioned to a performance. When the musician is on stage, they now suddenly, have the immediacy of the performance to work within, which may change the way they're used to playing their music, unless they're used to playing live. They have the audience to think about, and if the show is being recorded, but ideally, their overall picture of what it is they do, can encompass all these. The audience, wants to not only be moved by the way cool music they came to see or hope they did, but they may be curious in many ways about the performer too. What do they look like if they've never seen them before, or what do they do to make that noise? lol! -or maybe some just like the general experience of live music and enjoy attending shows. -and as you mentioned, what's the stage and venue like? Where and how are they seated? Is it interesting and comfortable? Can they see well enough? How's the sound system? Does the music sound good in that respect? Is the performer paying any attention to them? and what kind? Finally, is the show being recorded? Does the audience know? Does the pperformer know for that matter? Recording in itself can add something fun and immediate to a performance, both for the audience and the performer. Does the performer talk about it, is the audience encouraged to make their presence known ?, or to interact with the performer?/ in the performance? I just think all of these are important things to think about, so thanks for bringing them up. As much as pop is offensive to some, and sort of throw-away by nature, one can learn alot from it both musically and in the aspects of performance mentioned here. It addresses all of them, or at least tries to most of the time. Because you might consider smiling to an audience when you just might not be quite in the mood to smile, doesn't make you insincere in your image. If someone approaches you on the street and says hi or acknowledges you, or asks you how you're doing, would you scowl at them, or consider at least being polite even if you're feeling a bit off that day? I consider an audience like that. These people came to see YOU. Even if they've never met you before, they have an interest in what it is you do. You have the stage, and their attention, which they don't just have to give you. It's a privilege. What you do with it is about not only the art, but yourself in their eyes. Unless they get to know you better, you are what they see. anyway, just my thoughts... -Great posts, David, Andre, Steve, Rick and others. Thank you... smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 20:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBD1bNq09561; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031212184107.007e4a70@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:41:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES In-Reply-To: <20031212082908.7672.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sometimes use an MC-505 (Gary, still want to sell yours? and no, haven't forgotten about the video! ) -and call up individual patterns using the keypads so I can create song structures which can also adapt and change on the fly. Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 20:59:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBD1vai14273; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:57:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031212190120.007df340@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:01:20 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: My travel plans, as promised to east coast loopers... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <17yvBC.A.4eD.QIn2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, well, as I said I'd do, here are my current travel plans for the end of this month and new years. I'll be flying into CT on the 23rd, and will be there most of the time, unless I get shoots or gigs in Mass or NYC. I'll be spending the day and evening of new years eve/day in NYC and Time Square. -Would love to meet anyone who's there if you'd be into it. It's then back to CT until I fly back to CO on the 5th. Though I'll be stopping in Phili on the way, unfortunately getting together with any loopy types in PA will probably have to wait until a bit into 04 unless ya wanna try and rush me at the airport! lol! Anyway, to everyone who's been kind anough to show interest and e-mail me about playing back there, I'd most definitely love to, so let's please keep in touch about it and perhaps we can arrange several shows. I think that'd be a blast! Talk with y'all soon, and Happiest of Holidays to you!!! 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Each of them feature someone talking about time in someway whilst I loop and overlay various bits to for rythems ,patterns etc. this work is all done on the EDP. In my usual rig I also loop vocals on regular songs using my Digitech Vocal300 going into my Loopstation. well there you go.......... Phill >From: "David" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: looping spoken word >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:58:24 -0500 > >Does anyone here do vocals or stories or narration or comedy with their >looper? > >rOSS Hamlin in Boston did some great vocal and story-looping. I'm curious >if anyone else is. > >David > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 02:31:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBD7MfS31623; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:22:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:22:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:22:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031212184107.007e4a70@pop.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcPBGbC8o2TCEmsLRLO/73wVZq5kZAAL0hIg Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Yeah, I bet I'm ready to sell the MC--think I've got a working system for drum loops, and sure don't need all that other stuff (rave noises--hmmm)-- Good other post, CQ, about performance--I just got done with a job playing at a store that sells garden knickknacks, and I observed much of what you mentioned in my interaction. Also I highly recommend Carol of the Bells for all loopers (OK, not didgeridoo players)--fast and easy, also recognizable--better do it now tho, Xmas only two weeks away! Gary PS As to the topic of HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES--I am running drum loops into the Kaoss II and will be seeking to automate the gestural pad with the sequencer in the Ztar--look for a post next week when I finally get to this, it should work! G -----Original Message----- From: Cara Quinn [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES I sometimes use an MC-505 (Gary, still want to sell yours? and no, haven't forgotten about the video! ) -and call up individual patterns using the keypads so I can create song structures which can also adapt and change on the fly. Smiles, Cara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 05:19:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDAIGu23588; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:18:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c3c162$66e511f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312120831.hBC8Vpp18009@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: realistic drum programming tips, part one Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:17:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, This is a very long post and should be skipped unless you are particularly interested in making your drum computer programming hipper and more 'real' sounding for your looping shows (if you aren't opposed to using a drum machine, philosophically) I posted this tonight to the Fruity Loops tribe at tribe.net (and if you aren't hip to tribe.net go cruise over there and discover a really hip and creative community that connects people based on their interests---hell, theirs even a live looping tribe called Cycletronica). Anyway, a long time ago I promised some helpful hints for realistic drum programming and since there has been a thread about the use of drum machines in live looping shows I thought you might want a reprint. I'd like to go on record and say that when drum computer programming is creative, very minimalistic and realistic (or creatively surrealistic which , for me, is even more interesting) that drum machines can really add to live looping performance. It is just that usually people make one of a number of mistakes in their programming that make the damn things sound like they have no soul (like the machines they are). The consistent mistakes that I hear that make most people cringe when drum machines get turned on are: 1) lacking human energy, people try to overcompensate and over program beats. Great groove drummers repeat themselves constantly. If the groove itself is funky and 'human' sounding, I find it is almost better the more simple it is. Let your playing breathe life into the song. Don't expect your android drummer to give it energy. I can spot a person who doesn't know much about the 'less is more' aspect of deep groove playing in an instant by their drum programming. Towards this end, I had the chance to program commercial drum machine patterns for both EMU systems and the ZOOM corporation. What I realized was that after 20 years of studio drumming in all styles that every drum machine that you buy is filled with unrealistic and overly complex'standard' drum beats. This is what thedrum computer companies call, with shrugged shoulders, 'the demo factor': If you put the beats drummers REALLY play into a drum machine, they don't sound very fancy when you demo them at your local store. Therefore, they have concluded, you have to have a lot of bell's and whistles in your preset drum patterns............rendering them useless for realistic live playing. Reasoning this way, I came up with the 100 most played studio drum grooves with NO FRILLS at all added to them. Very politely, they paid me for my time and didn't use them. Oh well, I still made thousands of dollars in the 80's and 90's reproggraming singer/songwriter drum machines so that they would be effective for their live shows or demos because the drum machine companies wouldn't get a clue. Mostly what I did was edit out notes that were in existing prewritten patterns. 2) people tend not to realize that great subtelty in variation is the essence of making a drum beat sound more 'real' I'll start to address that below. The techology that I'm referring to is specific to Fruity Loops (the greatest drum machine ever sold in hardware or software in my humble opinion and regrettably not available to the Mac world) but you can use these tricks in any sophisticated drum machine, even including something as old fashioned as that old warhorse they still sell new for $140 USD, the Alesis SR16. Okay, then, here goes: REALISTIC DRUM PROGRAMMING TIPS part one: Hi Hats I've been a professional touring and recording drummer for 25 years and just thought I might share a couple of really simple ways to use fruity loops or fruity studio to create more 'realistic' drum patterns. for what it's worth, try this out with Fruity Loops: Take your hi hat tracks (are any tracks for that matter, including melodic synth 'bubbles'). drop down the bar graph box that allows you to scroll between velocity (volume), pitch, panning, cutoff, resonance and a thing called 'shift' which allows you to use each of these categories to effect each individual note that you've programmed. (note: this can be accomplished in other ways in most of the good midi sequencing apps or software/hardware drum machines). Drummers, no matter how good they are, just aren't perfect and we can use the fact that each of these drop down bar graphs can make very,very small changes in a sound to do some subtle things to a rolling drum groove like 16th notes on a hi hat. Not all drummers, but many tend to favor their strong hand in a single stroke (hand over hand) drum roll. Consequently, if you make all odd numbered hi hats be slightly louder than their even numbered hits it will sound more realistic. Start by making velocity differences that are really clearly audible. Then lower the velocity until you can barely feel the difference. We are going to make very subtle changes like this on each of the parameters of velocity, pitch, cutoff, resonance and, importantly, shift. I can't stress enough that you should make these changes be so subtle that you can hardly notice them. Just going on the fact that the right handed players start their rolls with the right hand and favor it ever so slightly (or grossly for effect as well) means that the stroke will be harder with the right hand than the left hand. When a percussion instrument is hit harder the difference between the transient (or hi pitched attack) of the sound and the body of the instrument (or the sound that comes after the attack) becomes greater. In general, on drums, that means that a harder attack tensions the drum very imperceptably (sp?) and it also means that there will be more treble in the sound. Consequently, the pitch goes up a little teensy bit and their is more attack to the sound (increased resonance and slightly higher cutoff frequency). Consequently, you can make the pitch of each right hand be just barely noticeably higher, the resonance should be just one or two of those little teeny bars higher. The cutoff should be just a few bars lower (allowing less high frequencies through) on the 'left' handed or even numbered strokes. Typically, if drums have time inaccuracies they tend to drag the left hand a litte bit. I have to keep stressing that if you can hear the changes you make, you aren't being realistic. You need to make the changes subtle enough that you just barely feel that they aren't perfect. You can consequently make each left hand note shifted one or two bars late. Tigure out how much you can tweak each parameter before it becomes obvious and then you can just randomly tweak each one up to that limit. With a little bit of variance in each stroke from parameter to parameter you will create more of a percolating texture in your programming: This is a great technique to make synth 'bubbles' (the kind used in techno and house) more interesting and less mechanical feeling. Now, you can avoid the biggest mistake that non-drummers do when trying to write 'realistic' programs: Turn the overall volume of the hihats until you CAN'T hear them and then slowly bring up the volume until you just begin to hear them. Professional producers have spent countless hours trying to figure out how to gate and mix hihats OUT of tracks. the reason is two fold: 1) Human beings have such a radical peak in their hearing around the 1-2khz range (or the intelligibility range of human speech) that we can play the hihats at incredible low volumes and they are still audible. You can't do that with a bass drum. I tell my drum students that you cannot play a hi hat or a snare drum so quietly that a person sitting in a room with you can't hear it. 2) Hi Hats, the snare of snare drums and cymbals all seriously MASK human vocal intellibility. How many people have gone to see live shows where they can hear the singer is singing but can't for the life of them figure out what they are actually singing. That is ususally because drummers (or mixers , which is frequently the case) are not hip to this important fact. So, turn down your hi hat tracks (or any track with a strong mid range, short envelope attack) and you have much more room for other musical goodies in your mix. When in doubt, make your hi hats quieter than you think they should be. Trust me, they'll come through the mix even at a quiet volume. If you don't know this stuff already, try it out and send me a very short mp3 of the results to me at rickwalker@looppool.info and I'll give you a critique (time permitting). later. Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 05:58:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDAvSJ27981; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:57:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:57:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014701c3c167$e5657650$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312131019.hBDAJPQ23832@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:57:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to go on record, as a drum programming snob,to say that Matt Davignon's set at Y2K3 turned me on as much as anything I"ve ever seen a person do with a drum machine in a live show. (the last thing that really got me was when Andre LaFosse used an archaic Roland drummachine to stutter trigger his multiple glitched guitar loops in his demo of the EDP at Y2K2---I hear that Claude Voit also did a lot of work with this or similar techniques but I'm never seen him do it live). Just a beautiful and quirky and fascinating set, Matt. You singlehandely rekindled my interest in the live use of drum machines with your set. In general, to stay with this thread, I think the manipulation (especially timbral manipulation when used in a rhtymic way) of drum machines is fascinating in live work if done well. Those electrix, tempo midi driven effects (the MoFX, the Filter Factory and Filter Queen and the Warp Factory vocoder are just phenomenal for that: especially when they are 'played' like a drum. I've actually not seen anyone use those machines in a real rhythmical way yet, but the buttons were literally designed to withstand the pressure of some one drumming with them using their fingers. The large central buttons either momentarily take the effect off or momentarily put the effect on whichever way you have it set up to do. I love putting a telephone frequency on a drum track suddenly (making it tiny and nasal and far away sounding and then rhythmically triggering it in the rhtythm of either the kick drum or the snare drum........this is a really dramatic break down technique) Similarly, the Kaoss pad, the Dr. Sample, the Air Effects and all of those cool D-Beams that the Roland products have for tweaking drum sounds really make for interesting (albeit synthetic) real time effects. A cool thing to do is to just change the resonance and cutoff on just hi hats or even, if you can frequency separate your tracks, the hi frequecies of guitar, synth and bass patches to create a percolating mix. That's when it's nice to have some separate outs and something like the patch bay that John Wagner uses in his set. Timothy Crowe should also be singled out for some cool drum effect processing he did at the percussion festival. My only regret is that Matt wasn't part of the 1st Percussion Live Looping portion of the festival. would you consider joining we percussionists at the next one, Matt? yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 08:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDDQwd18985; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:26:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FDB16CB.BCA48D60@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:40:28 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 pedals only hinder time?HELP!!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Randy Craig wrote: > I am new to looping and this website but I have owned an rc-20 for six > months now and most recently have added another for my vocals. I have the > intention to use both in synch but also have the ability to separate them > when I want to. I have found this requires incredible time and my > rehearsals have become very time intensive with hit and miss results. I > love the sample quality of the RC-20, its compactibility and loop time, but > I fell the tension on the actual pedals(as opposed to switches on other loop > units) maybe even more of a reason I am getting even more inconsistent > results with time. Is the RC-20 known for this? Is my only option to go to > a Midi-synched unit to get good time? and would i need to get two of them > in order to keep my vocals and guitar in synch at certain times but separate > loops at other times? What do you guys suggest because i am seriously losing > sleep over this. > > Randy Craig > > ps if this is the second posting i sent, it is only because I hadn't seen > the first one post yet. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 > months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup Hi Randy, I am a singer/songwriter looper as well. I've used an EDP to loop my guitar and vocals through the aux send of a Behringer mixer for the past 8 months. I've recently added a Boss RC-20 as a second looper to have seperate vocal and guitar loops so I can drop one out when I want, a la Howie Day. From what it sounds like you want to do, here are some suggestions. You can get two Midi synched loopers, Two EDP's would do exactly what you want. However, EDP's are expensive, Two EDP's plus foot controllers are going to run close to 2 grand. I would love to have two EDP's, but I opted for the RC-20 as a second looper because it was much cheaper(after Sam Ash gift certificates and a MusiciansFriend price match, I only payed $60!), but still fulfilled my basic needs as a second looper. At some point down the line, I plan on adding a second EDP. Your next option would be to check out the Electrix Repeater. They are discontinued, but you can find them on E-bay. The Repeater has four seperate track to record to. You can record your guitar to track 1 and vocals to track 2 and mix or mute accordingly. Many guys on the list swear by the Repeater, check the archives for more info. Also, check out the Howie Day Madrigals EP. It comes with a bonus DVD if him performing 4 songs live. His set up is one Line 6 DL-4 for his guitar and one DL-4 for his voice. He has seperate vocal and guitar loops going all of the time and his timing is perferct. Hope that helps, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 09:25:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDEMRB29225; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:22:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:22:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FDB23CD.72849FE4@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:35:57 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Digitech XDD DigiDelay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody using the Digitech X-series Digital Delay? I've been looking to add second delay pedal to my setup. How good are the tap tempo functions? I do lots of timed delay stuff, so that is an extremely important feature to me. For $99 it seem like a good buy. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 09:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDEOIa29603; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <007401c3c184$3e85b620$0369fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: Subject: Eprommer for sale Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3C18C.4A8331C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3C18C.4A8331C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is slightly OT but it might be of interest for someone on this list = who needs such a device. 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------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3C18C.4A8331C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 10:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDF49w03358; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:04:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:04:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:04:11 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: My travel plans, as promised to east coast loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c3c18a$5d9cca70$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20031212190120.007df340@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2mnEpC.A.S0.ppy2_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where in Connecticut? I'm in Westport... Where do you play here? Remy C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Quinn" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: My travel plans, as promised to east coast loopers... Hi All, well, as I said I'd do, here are my current travel plans for the end of this month and new years. I'll be flying into CT on the 23rd, and will be there most of the time, unless I get shoots or gigs in Mass or NYC. I'll be spending the day and evening of new years eve/day in NYC and Time Square. -Would love to meet anyone who's there if you'd be into it. It's then back to CT until I fly back to CO on the 5th. Though I'll be stopping in Phili on the way, unfortunately getting together with any loopy types in PA will probably have to wait until a bit into 04 unless ya wanna try and rush me at the airport! lol! Anyway, to everyone who's been kind anough to show interest and e-mail me about playing back there, I'd most definitely love to, so let's please keep in touch about it and perhaps we can arrange several shows. I think that'd be a blast! Talk with y'all soon, and Happiest of Holidays to you!!! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 10:11:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDFA2D04760; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:10:04 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Check_out_Harmony_Central=AE:_New_D.Loop_Dual_Effects_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Loop_Switcher_from_Lehle?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c3c18b$3026f420$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <36.4d5df26f.2d0bdc56@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How is this different from the Whirlwind a/b silent switch? ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: Check out Harmony Central®: New D.Loop Dual Effects Loop Switcher from Lehle this may be interesting to some, also check out their web site.....Click here: Harmony Central®: New D.Loop Dual Effects Loop Switcher from Lehle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 14:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDJaUO25873; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:36:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Special price on last units of Manecolooper Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.187.163] Message-Id: <20031213193629.2A67DE4B9@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, i'll be out on holidays by the end of month,and i'll sell the last two Manecoloopers i have at a special price of U$S,that's 150 less from normal price,please check the information in http://manecolooper.tripod.com later i'll be building new units at the beginning of february best regards and thanks for your interest Maneco _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 14:54:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDJqMM27572; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FDB7120.49B57FD2@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:05:53 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Boss DD-5 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3dVDU.A.suG.2322_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I use a Boss DD-5 delay pedal with a Boss FS-5U switch to tap in tempos for timed delays. I'm having a problem, where if I have it set to repeat quarter notes, it will sometimes spit out eighth notes instead. It's quite erratic, sometimes it does this and other times it doesn't. Would this be a problem with the DD-5 or the FS-5U. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 15:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDKCK331044; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-5 question Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.187.163] Message-Id: <20031213201219.3C64F7279@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBDKCJd31016 Resent-Message-ID: <9VCSbC.A.5kH.kK32_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, i'm almost sure it´s a problem with the footswitch, i ended up wiring a new one for my dd5 whe i used it a couples of years ago,just a momentary footswith in a small box with a 1/4 jack,so any standard cable could be used..also try the shortest cable ,the small link ones used in pedalboards are ok best, Maneco http://manecolooper.tripod.com --- John Mazzarella wrote: Hey, I use a Boss DD-5 delay pedal with a Boss FS-5U switch to tap in tempos for timed delays. I'm having a problem, where if I have it set to repeat quarter notes, it will sometimes spit out eighth notes instead. It's quite erratic, sometimes it does this and other times it doesn't. Would this be a problem with the DD-5 or the FS-5U. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 15:44:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDKgAc02168; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:42:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Manecolooper Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.187.163] Message-Id: <20031213204204.BDB49395D@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBDKgAd02143 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry,in my last post about the pricing i didn´t include it,its 350 U$S best Maneco http://manecolooper.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 15:46:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBDKjkX02762; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c3c1bb$c08b36e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Darren Copeland & Lynn Harrigan with dreamSTATE Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:57:42 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday December 16th - Darren Copeland and Lynn Harrigan with dreamSTATE The first set features soundscape artists dreamSTATE (Scott M2 and Jamie Todd) performing a suite of pieces by Darren Copeland, an electroacoustic composer & sound designer who has produced work since 1985 for concerts, radio, theatre, dance and site-specific installation. Darren will be attending to the mix and will be available for questions after the performance. Darren is also the Artistic Director of New Adventures in Sound Art, which produces electroacoustic and experimental sound art events throughout Toronto, including the wonderful Sound Travels - presented annually using an 8-channel array of speakers surrounding the audience. http://www.darrencopeland.net + http://www.dreamstate.to In the second set poet Lynn Harrigan performs excerpts from Moon Sea Crossing, a work-in-progress which will culminate next August in a multi-media installation running three months in the Historic County Gaol in Goderich Ontario. The work is based on an actual Irish immigrant to Canada in the 1840s and incorporates themes of displacement, mental illness, hunger, grief, imprisonment and Irish folklore. dreamSTATE will weave a series of ambient sound environments to support and expand on the underlying emotions of the poems. http://www.lynnharrigan.com + http://www.dreamstate.to Between Sets CD - "Strata" by Robert Rich and Steve Roach Two of the premier artists in the ambient field worked together in 1989-90 to create this tribal-ambient classic merging ethnic & electronic drums, flutes, steel guitar & expansive electronics. We'll play more of this landmark collaboration after the 2nd set. http://www.robertrich.com + http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 6th 2004 - Planet Of The Loops Andrew Aldridge's bi-monthly series of improv/looping events launches the The Ambient Ping's 2004 schedule into orbit! http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "PiNG" by Sylken Sounding like "the desires and dreams of a Film Noir-ish Los Angeles on rainy night in the Orion Nebula", "PiNG" made its mark as one of the outstanding ambient/space music CDs of 2003. http://www.sylken.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Linger" by James Johnson Fans of James Johnson's work will no doubt be interested in the re-release of his "Linger" disc. Recorded during a visit to Toronto in August 2000, "Linger" was originally released as a DAM CD through mp3.com featuring five live recordings from James, each creating a moment in time, a place in space. Now the disc has been re-issued in a remastered and uncompressed version that allows you to fully experience the music the way it was meant to be heard. You can't help but feel wrapped up in it, transported to another environment, another place where the earth moves at a slower speed, and we all have time to pay attention to the beauty that surrounds us. The disc opens with the title track, where a chorus of bells plays overtop the sound of a summer rainstorm. A sense of cleansing, of new beginnings permeates this track, leaving the listener with the feeling that you've been prepared for a journey. The second track "Twilight Impressions" carries on with that same sense of travel. Recorded as a collaboration between James, Scott M2 and Jamie Todd of dreamSTATE, and Wally Jericho, "Twilight Impressions" is a masterful work of ambience, offering a travelogue of images for the listener to visit. The album's fourth track, "Siren Song" follows a more traditional melodic route, slightly reminiscent of the later works of David Sylvian, evoking images of distant lands and faraway places. The last song on the album, "Frequency Shift", brings our journey to an end, slowing time to an even greater degree, and leaving us to appreciate where we've been. With "Linger" James has created a stunningly beautiful environment to discover. After listening to this disc, I can't shake the feeling that I've gone to new places, seen new sites. I love a disc that can make me feel that way. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 01:05:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBE63sw26293; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.179.161] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech XDD DigiDelay Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:03:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2003 06:03:48.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A1A2B80:01C3C208] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm thats an interesting one. Ive been openly pointificating on the subject of the wonderful digidelay here for a while, but I guess if your one main need is tap tempo then this is a different set of parameters to my regular view. sat wwith it here i can say that on the plus side the taps are accuratly tracked and that you can change the tempo with just two taps (opposed to four on some pedals), on the down sides though, this is the sort of all built in, unit , that dosnt have an external tab pedal option is changed into the tap mode by a long hold....ok so far not too shabby,, the problem is this, Ive found it to be pretty hard to cancel this and return to a normal non delayed state of play, i imagine that if you are hoping to toggle on and off alot this could be a very unpridictable way of going on. other then that and for this specific operation, i can say that this is one of the best single pedal units that i own and for the money wipes the floor with boss et al!!!! Phill >From: John Mazzarella >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: Digitech XDD DigiDelay >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:35:57 -0500 > >Anybody using the Digitech X-series Digital Delay? I've been looking to >add second delay pedal to my setup. How good are the tap tempo >functions? I do lots of timed delay stuff, so that is an extremely >important feature to me. For $99 it seem like a good buy. > >Thanks, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 03:37:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBE8Y9918121; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:34:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Digitech XDD DigiDelay and assorted loopers Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:33:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPCCBVWbmmifWpwRRWM+OPDRPLPVwAFBOsg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This pedal isn't going to replace any of your loopers--but it is worth every penny of the 99$US I paid for it . . . The real deal breaker is the reverse--8 seconds and it isn't real reverse, so it goes well with real reverse--sort of gilding the lily--and I also like the 4 second looper, but just for fun, not "real" performance-- I bought a DL4 when they first came out, then my EDP came (the next day? The same day?) and I took it back--but time has shown and many will testify that it also is worth every penny-- Never owned a Boomerang but my .02 worth of sense is that the same is true for that unit--one cannot have too many loopers--it all comes down to budget and space restraints--many love the Headrush and I know everyone here went thru the Repeater craze-- Still waiting on that breakthru software app--How's Ambiloop doing? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 23:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBF4E5N28984; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c3c2d2$cf7f4110$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: OT: Converting samples to 12-bit depth... Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:15:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6knQv.A.wEH.MUT3_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking of getting an old 12-bit sampler and was curious if anyone knows of a program that can convert 16-bit samples to 12-bit. I use Sound Forge for most of my sound mangling needs, but it will only convert to 8, 16, 24, 32, or 64-bit. Following conversion, I'd send these samples to the sampler via SDS. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 01:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBF6mBI03440; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:48:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:48:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: Subject: RE: Converting samples to 12-bit depth... Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:48:56 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPCw+ox8LtKNenxTHuhrGYeDzHkDAAE2zLw In-Reply-To: <005701c3c2d2$cf7f4110$0200a8c0@amd> Message-Id: <200312150100562.SM02664@kinesys1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would check out AWave Audio http://www.fmjsoft.com/awaveaudio.html -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Converting samples to 12-bit depth... I'm thinking of getting an old 12-bit sampler and was curious if anyone knows of a program that can convert 16-bit samples to 12-bit. I use Sound Forge for most of my sound mangling needs, but it will only convert to 8, 16, 24, 32, or 64-bit. Following conversion, I'd send these samples to the sampler via SDS. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 06:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBFBA0G29359; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:10:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:10:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031214041531.009b1c80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:15:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: My travel plans, as promised to east coast loopers... In-Reply-To: <001e01c3c18a$5d9cca70$b6705643@elfmaster> References: <3.0.5.32.20031212190120.007df340@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll most likely be centered in Southington, but really will be up for going all over the place. As yet, my schedule isn't set up yet, with a few things still in the works, but if you'd like to say hi, or do a lil' coffee house gig or something, I'd certainly be up for connecting if you'd like. I'm planning on having my GTR with me and may possibly take the plex' or DL-4 -we'll see... I may have a photo shoot near where you are, but as I said, nothing's completely decided on yet. Feel free to write me off-list if you'd like, and thanks so much for your interest. Perhaps we can say hi. Smiles, Cara At 10:04 AM 12/13/03 -0500, you wrote: >Where in Connecticut? >I'm in Westport... >Where do you play here? >Remy C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cara Quinn" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:01 PM >Subject: My travel plans, as promised to east coast loopers... > > > Hi All, well, as I said I'd do, here are my current travel plans for the >end of this month and new years. > I'll be flying into CT on the 23rd, and will be there most of the time, >unless I get shoots or gigs in Mass or NYC. I'll be spending the day and >evening of new years eve/day in NYC and Time Square. -Would love to meet >anyone who's there if you'd be into it. > It's then back to CT until I fly back to CO on the 5th. Though I'll be >stopping in Phili on the way, unfortunately getting together with any loopy >types in PA will probably have to wait until a bit into 04 unless ya wanna >try and rush me at the airport! lol! > Anyway, to everyone who's been kind anough to show interest and e-mail me >about playing back there, I'd most definitely love to, so let's please keep >in touch about it and perhaps we can arrange several shows. I think that'd >be a blast! Talk with y'all soon, and Happiest of Holidays to you!!! > >Smiles, > >Cara > > > > >--- > > View my online portfolio at: >http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 07:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBFCsvC17839; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.175.42.192] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:54:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2003 12:54:51.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[A106E9E0:01C3C30A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have to go on record, as a drum programming snob,to say that Matt >Davignon's set >at Y2K3 turned me on as much as anything I"ve ever seen a person do with a >drum machine >in a live show. Just a beautiful and quirky and fascinating set, Matt. >You singlehandely >rekindled my interest in >the live use of drum machines with your set. Aw, shucks. That means a lot, especially when I started my set by saying "I apologize in advance if this sucks". Rick's got a lot of good points with his (article?) on drum machine use, especially with the point of simplifying things down. I've been listening to a lot of hip-hop lately, and one thing I've found in common about my 2 favorite producers (RZA and El-Producto) is that their actual drum machine rhythms are amazingly minimal. Rather than bury the rest of the song in layers and layers of drum programming, they stick to 2 or 3 sounds, and spend a lot of time making designing their kicks and snares. A drum machine is not and will never be a live human drummer. If you need the sound of real drums, I'd suggest you either meet a drummer, or even better, learn to play real drums enough to fit your needs. As Rick alluded, there's a lot of variation in live drums that we often don't notice, but we miss it if it's gone. If we ask a drummer to play a repetitive phrase, there are minute differences in the timing between beats, as well as minute differences between each occurence of the same drum. That's why a sampled drum beat sounds more repetitive than a live drummer playing the same thing. So the strategy I'd suggest would be to find ways to bring that variation back, if you want your drum machine to not sound so "canned". I find that pitch changers work well, as does a slight amount of distortion. I'm also fond of using the bit-reduction effect (aka "Lo-Fi") on my Dr. Sample. Sometimes, using 3 or 4 seperate sounds together as a single "snare" makes things sound more interesting too. That's it for now, mostly because it's 5 am and I need to be up in a few hours. _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 08:16:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBFDECk21516; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B1471E451@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: realistic drum programming tips, part one Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:14:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, Excellent post! During the 16 years I made my living as a bass player there was only one (yes, sadly, ONE) drummer I worked with who understand how to play with a good mix (live, non-miked) between their instruments. That drummer was highly in demand around town. The other drummers couldn't understand why he was so popular. "He's not flashy! He's chops are that great! He rarely hits a crash cymbol!" blah, blah, blah. He was popular because he played a loud kick, kept his snare under control, and play extremely quietly on his hi-hats and cymbals. The end result was would could hang a single microphone (for nightly recording just for learning purposes) over the center of the band and we had a pretty good mix live. The other result was the all of the other instruments could play MUCH quieter, still hear themselves, and we all could hear the vocal monitors very well (not to mention the grand piano). The different in the on stage sound was absolutely incredible. That's why he was in demand and loved by non-drummers. Most of the other drummers "I" worked with (drummers, I'm not putting all of you down, I'm only speaking about my personal experience here) beat the crap out of the snare, played the hi-hats and cymbals very loud, and brought small bass drums ("its got a tight sound man! If you can't hear it, mike it" they'd say). If the opportunity presented itself I'd ask the other drummers about how they felt modern records/cds were mixed. "Which drums do you hear up front and loud, which are quiet?", etc. They would all answer correctly (kick and snare loud, toms medium, cymbals rather quiet) yet when I asked if they could play like that they'd look at me with a bewildered look. A couple understood where I was coming from and stated they'd try to rebalance their sound, but the muscle memory seemed to work against them and were not able to do it, sadly. When I asked Scott (the drummer who did mix well live) how he learned to do that, and why he was conservative on the crashes he stated that he, and according to him, many country drummers (we were a jazz standards/top 40 band) idolized James Taylor's drummer. And said that if I'd take another listen I'd hear fills that normal end with a crash on the down beat be played without the crash. The end result was a cleaner sound. It was very cool! Anyway, it's refreshing to hear there are other drummers out there who "get it". Also, great tips on programming drums! Thanks! Jim -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com]On Behalf Of loop.pool Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: realistic drum programming tips, part one Hi folks, This is a very long post and should be skipped unless you are particularly interested in making your drum computer programming hipper and more 'real' sounding for your looping shows (if you aren't opposed to using a drum machine, philosophically) I posted this tonight to the Fruity Loops tribe at tribe.net (and if you aren't hip to tribe.net go cruise over there and discover a really hip and creative community that connects people based on their interests---hell, theirs even a live looping tribe called Cycletronica). Anyway, a long time ago I promised some helpful hints for realistic drum programming and since there has been a thread about the use of drum machines in live looping shows I thought you might want a reprint. I'd like to go on record and say that when drum computer programming is creative, very minimalistic and realistic (or creatively surrealistic which , for me, is even more interesting) that drum machines can really add to live looping performance. It is just that usually people make one of a number of mistakes in their programming that make the damn things sound like they have no soul (like the machines they are). The consistent mistakes that I hear that make most people cringe when drum machines get turned on are: 1) lacking human energy, people try to overcompensate and over program beats. Great groove drummers repeat themselves constantly. If the groove itself is funky and 'human' sounding, I find it is almost better the more simple it is. Let your playing breathe life into the song. Don't expect your android drummer to give it energy. I can spot a person who doesn't know much about the 'less is more' aspect of deep groove playing in an instant by their drum programming. Towards this end, I had the chance to program commercial drum machine patterns for both EMU systems and the ZOOM corporation. What I realized was that after 20 years of studio drumming in all styles that every drum machine that you buy is filled with unrealistic and overly complex'standard' drum beats. This is what thedrum computer companies call, with shrugged shoulders, 'the demo factor': If you put the beats drummers REALLY play into a drum machine, they don't sound very fancy when you demo them at your local store. Therefore, they have concluded, you have to have a lot of bell's and whistles in your preset drum patterns............rendering them useless for realistic live playing. Reasoning this way, I came up with the 100 most played studio drum grooves with NO FRILLS at all added to them. Very politely, they paid me for my time and didn't use them. Oh well, I still made thousands of dollars in the 80's and 90's reproggraming singer/songwriter drum machines so that they would be effective for their live shows or demos because the drum machine companies wouldn't get a clue. Mostly what I did was edit out notes that were in existing prewritten patterns. 2) people tend not to realize that great subtelty in variation is the essence of making a drum beat sound more 'real' I'll start to address that below. The techology that I'm referring to is specific to Fruity Loops (the greatest drum machine ever sold in hardware or software in my humble opinion and regrettably not available to the Mac world) but you can use these tricks in any sophisticated drum machine, even including something as old fashioned as that old warhorse they still sell new for $140 USD, the Alesis SR16. Okay, then, here goes: REALISTIC DRUM PROGRAMMING TIPS part one: Hi Hats I've been a professional touring and recording drummer for 25 years and just thought I might share a couple of really simple ways to use fruity loops or fruity studio to create more 'realistic' drum patterns. for what it's worth, try this out with Fruity Loops: Take your hi hat tracks (are any tracks for that matter, including melodic synth 'bubbles'). drop down the bar graph box that allows you to scroll between velocity (volume), pitch, panning, cutoff, resonance and a thing called 'shift' which allows you to use each of these categories to effect each individual note that you've programmed. (note: this can be accomplished in other ways in most of the good midi sequencing apps or software/hardware drum machines). Drummers, no matter how good they are, just aren't perfect and we can use the fact that each of these drop down bar graphs can make very,very small changes in a sound to do some subtle things to a rolling drum groove like 16th notes on a hi hat. Not all drummers, but many tend to favor their strong hand in a single stroke (hand over hand) drum roll. Consequently, if you make all odd numbered hi hats be slightly louder than their even numbered hits it will sound more realistic. Start by making velocity differences that are really clearly audible. Then lower the velocity until you can barely feel the difference. We are going to make very subtle changes like this on each of the parameters of velocity, pitch, cutoff, resonance and, importantly, shift. I can't stress enough that you should make these changes be so subtle that you can hardly notice them. Just going on the fact that the right handed players start their rolls with the right hand and favor it ever so slightly (or grossly for effect as well) means that the stroke will be harder with the right hand than the left hand. When a percussion instrument is hit harder the difference between the transient (or hi pitched attack) of the sound and the body of the instrument (or the sound that comes after the attack) becomes greater. In general, on drums, that means that a harder attack tensions the drum very imperceptably (sp?) and it also means that there will be more treble in the sound. Consequently, the pitch goes up a little teensy bit and their is more attack to the sound (increased resonance and slightly higher cutoff frequency). Consequently, you can make the pitch of each right hand be just barely noticeably higher, the resonance should be just one or two of those little teeny bars higher. The cutoff should be just a few bars lower (allowing less high frequencies through) on the 'left' handed or even numbered strokes. Typically, if drums have time inaccuracies they tend to drag the left hand a litte bit. I have to keep stressing that if you can hear the changes you make, you aren't being realistic. You need to make the changes subtle enough that you just barely feel that they aren't perfect. You can consequently make each left hand note shifted one or two bars late. Tigure out how much you can tweak each parameter before it becomes obvious and then you can just randomly tweak each one up to that limit. With a little bit of variance in each stroke from parameter to parameter you will create more of a percolating texture in your programming: This is a great technique to make synth 'bubbles' (the kind used in techno and house) more interesting and less mechanical feeling. Now, you can avoid the biggest mistake that non-drummers do when trying to write 'realistic' programs: Turn the overall volume of the hihats until you CAN'T hear them and then slowly bring up the volume until you just begin to hear them. Professional producers have spent countless hours trying to figure out how to gate and mix hihats OUT of tracks. the reason is two fold: 1) Human beings have such a radical peak in their hearing around the 1-2khz range (or the intelligibility range of human speech) that we can play the hihats at incredible low volumes and they are still audible. You can't do that with a bass drum. I tell my drum students that you cannot play a hi hat or a snare drum so quietly that a person sitting in a room with you can't hear it. 2) Hi Hats, the snare of snare drums and cymbals all seriously MASK human vocal intellibility. How many people have gone to see live shows where they can hear the singer is singing but can't for the life of them figure out what they are actually singing. That is ususally because drummers (or mixers , which is frequently the case) are not hip to this important fact. So, turn down your hi hat tracks (or any track with a strong mid range, short envelope attack) and you have much more room for other musical goodies in your mix. When in doubt, make your hi hats quieter than you think they should be. Trust me, they'll come through the mix even at a quiet volume. If you don't know this stuff already, try it out and send me a very short mp3 of the results to me at rickwalker@looppool.info and I'll give you a critique (time permitting). later. Rick Walker www.looppool.info The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 18:36:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBFNXxW05170; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:33:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2003 23:33:52.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[E64E84F0:01C3C363] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems like I've seen it somewhere, but now I can't find it for the life of me. I recall seeing somewhere some instructions on how to build and wire up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any line 6 stompbox I guess). The idea was to have the four control switches on the floor for your feet, but to have the pedal at a height conducive to hand-tweaking the knobs. PLEASE, someone, anyone, if you know what I'm talking about, point me in the right direction. Thanks. Looper's Delight KICKS ARSE!!!! Jason _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 22:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBG3CKK11137; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.145.120] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Matt Davignon & Quiet American in LA and San Diego Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:12:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 03:12:14.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[676E1BE0:01C3C382] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a quick note that Aaron Ximm and myself will be performing in San Diego and LA over the next 2 days. Aaron Ximm composes music from field recordings he's collected through his travels in Asia. I'll be doing my infamous turntable/cd/tape/looping set. Tues, 12/16 8pm, Other Ideas at The Space The Space 916 West Washington St. Mission Hills, San Diego $5 donation Matt Davignon Aaron Ximm with Marcos Fernandes and Marcelo Radulovich Wed, 12/17 at The Smell 247 S. Main St., dwntwn. An old storefront that doubles as a nightclub and art gallery (entrance & parking around back). 9pm Cover $5. Aaron Ximm Matt Davignon Carmine Tehn Joe Lake. _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 23:27:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBG4PpD23044; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:25:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:25:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c3c39d$a068cb50$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200312131019.hBDAJPQ23832@hemlock.violacea.com> <014701c3c167$e5657650$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:27:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I write some pretty percussion intensive music that is all sequenced. Here's an eight bar MIDI file for a breakdown section in a tune I'm working on right now. Just thought I'd share an example rather than just talking about it. Mr. Walker mentioned a drummer's right hand being dominant over left, but I didn't catch anything about drummers' tendency to accent beats one and three on the "ride" instrument in a rock groove. I usually put about a ten-velocity difference in the hats, or ride, or crash or whatever is keeping the quarter note. The louder hits are on the kick and snare, the quieter ones in between. You don't really notice it, but I notice it when it's not there. Also, notice that I've kept my drummer to having two arms (for the most part, I think), so at the beginning when there are two cymbals being hit, he doesn't play a hi-hat under them. It's the little things... This is a swung groove, too, so examine where the offbeats are. Notice the ghost notes, stick drops, etc. Obviously, this is written to sound good on the drum kit I made for the song, but I listened to it on my Soundblaster's General MIDI soundset and I think the idea still gets across. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/drumsdemo.mid You may have to open this in your sequencer and tell it to use a drum kit, on channel 10, if it doesn't automatically do it. Good luck, y'all. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 04:10:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBG96fp26793; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:06:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031216090635.10518.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c3c39d$a068cb50$0200a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the albums that i still find amazing is Peter Gabriels melting face and the security album.There isn´t one single track where you hear a hi-hat or a cymbal! this was of course after Peter came back from africa.he was doing a lot of linn drum programing but I also read somewhere that Jerry Mariotta looked at Peter in awe as he told them to take all the hi-hats and cymbals away before recording the album! --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I write some pretty percussion intensive music that > is all sequenced. > Here's an eight bar MIDI file for a breakdown > section in a tune I'm working > on right now. Just thought I'd share an example > rather than just talking > about it. > > Mr. Walker mentioned a drummer's right hand being > dominant over left, but I > didn't catch anything about drummers' tendency to > accent beats one and three > on the "ride" instrument in a rock groove. I > usually put about a > ten-velocity difference in the hats, or ride, or > crash or whatever is > keeping the quarter note. The louder hits are on > the kick and snare, the > quieter ones in between. You don't really notice > it, but I notice it when > it's not there. > > Also, notice that I've kept my drummer to having two > arms (for the most > part, I think), so at the beginning when there are > two cymbals being hit, he > doesn't play a hi-hat under them. It's the little > things... > > This is a swung groove, too, so examine where the > offbeats are. Notice the > ghost notes, stick drops, etc. Obviously, this is > written to sound good on > the drum kit I made for the song, but I listened to > it on my Soundblaster's > General MIDI soundset and I think the idea still > gets across. > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/drumsdemo.mid > > You may have to open this in your sequencer and tell > it to use a drum kit, > on channel 10, if it doesn't automatically do it. > Good luck, y'all. > > -J > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 05:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGAbBu05096; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:37:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031216103710.51833.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:37:10 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20zachary?= Subject: sorry to bother you To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031216090635.10518.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-830060144-1071571030=:46275" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-830060144-1071571030=:46275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit but, do you know how to unsubscribe from this list? I've tried, and just get my mail returned. It's puzzling. Any ideas? oh, and I love drum machine's 'coldness'. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sorteos ˇYa puedes comprar Lotería de Navidad! --0-830060144-1071571030=:46275 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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oh, and I love drum machine's 'coldness'.




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ˇYa puedes comprar Lotería de Navidad! --0-738591278-1071571498=:67685-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 06:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGBFG809925; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:15:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:15:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1875.172.131.168.126.1071572919.squirrel@172.131.168.126> In-Reply-To: <20031216103710.51833.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031216090635.10518.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <20031216103710.51833.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:08:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: sorry to bother you From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya, http://www.loopersdelight.com Click on Mailing List info. -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com daniel zachary wrote: > > > but, do you know how to unsubscribe from this list? I've tried, and just > get my mail returned. It's puzzling. Any ideas? > > oh, and I love drum machine's 'coldness'. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sorteos > ˇYa puedes comprar Lotería de Navidad! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 06:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGBPpw10722; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:25:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1901.172.131.168.126.1071573553.squirrel@172.131.168.126> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:19:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I remember it too, also a MIDI mod? I've searched the archives, and the web, nothing. I just posted some new DL-4 work on my site, feel free to check it out, lemmie know if you hate it, and I'll try to play it better next time. http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com -Justin Jason Spring wrote: > It seems like I've seen it somewhere, but now I can't find it for the life > of me. I recall seeing somewhere some instructions on how to build and > wire > up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any line 6 stompbox I guess). > The idea was to have the four control switches on the floor for your feet, > but to have the pedal at a height conducive to hand-tweaking the knobs. > PLEASE, someone, anyone, if you know what I'm talking about, point me in > the > right direction. Thanks. Looper's Delight KICKS ARSE!!!! > > Jason > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 07:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGC3A515948; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031216120304.97486.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1901.172.131.168.126.1071573553.squirrel@172.131.168.126> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was this it? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200207/msg01180.html John --- Justin Fobes wrote: > > > Yeah, > > I remember it too, also a MIDI mod? I've searched > the archives, and the > web, nothing. > > I just posted some new DL-4 work on my site, feel > free to check it out, > lemmie know if you hate it, and I'll try to play it > better next time. > > http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com > > -Justin > > Jason Spring wrote: > > It seems like I've seen it somewhere, but now I > can't find it for the life > > of me. I recall seeing somewhere some instructions > on how to build and > > wire > > up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any > line 6 stompbox I guess). > > The idea was to have the four control switches on > the floor for your feet, > > but to have the pedal at a height conducive to > hand-tweaking the knobs. > > PLEASE, someone, anyone, if you know what I'm > talking about, point me in > > the > > right direction. Thanks. Looper's Delight KICKS > ARSE!!!! > > > > Jason ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 08:19:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGDIQY23733; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:18:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1071580699!5671780 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.13; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DCD@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: realistic drum programming tips, part one Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:11:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.262989E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.262989E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I must agree- an excellent post on programming, and an excellent reply; my experiences with live and recorded drummers are broadly similar, and I subscribe firmly to the jimmy page school of drum recording: first, make the kit sound right on it's own. this means working with both the instrument (note- singular; it may be assembled from a kit of parts, but it should be regarded as one instrument) and the player to achieve the right sound acoustically. then and only then do we start to think about mike placement. I often find that once the drummer's happy with his environment and the sound of the kit, a single-point stereo mike somewhere near the kit is all you need. I do tend to mike the kick drum (close but not inside) and the snare/hihat separately aswell, but only so that I can lift them a bit if they get lost in the broad spectrum of other rhythmic sounds we ofetn employ. sorry if this has gone a bit OT but it's all useful stuff to share. d./r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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I must agree- an excellent post on programming, and an ex= cellent reply; my experiences with live and recorded drummers are broadly s= imilar, and I subscribe firmly to the jimmy page school of drum recording: =

first, make the kit sound right on it's own. this means w= orking with both the instrument (note- singular; it may be assembled from a= kit of parts, but it should be regarded as one instrument) and the player = to achieve the right sound acoustically.

then and only then do we start to think about mike placem= ent.
I often find that once the drummer's happy with his envi= ronment and the sound of the kit, a single-point stereo mike somewhere near= the kit is all you need. I do tend to mike the kick drum (close but not in= side) and the snare/hihat separately aswell, but only so that I can lift th= em a bit if they get lost in the broad spectrum of other rhythmic sounds we= ofetn employ.

sorry if this has gone a bit OT but it's all useful stuff= to share.

d./r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.262989E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 08:25:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGDNjS24288; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1071581021!5534716 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.13; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DCE@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.E740D7F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.E740D7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I recall seeing somewhere some instructions on how to build and wire up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any line 6 stompbox I guess). The idea was to have the four control switches on the floor for your feet<< that ought to be easy enough, if you can solder and do a bit of metalwork. I'd guess that the four existing switches are all closures-to-ground, but even if they're not, the worst case is that you'll need an 8-way socket mounting on the dl4 somewhere. a midi-type socket, though perhaps with a different pin orientation, would be ideal. then just wire the remote switches in parallel with the ones inside the dl4, via the socket, a suitable plug and whatever you're putting on the floor by way of a remote. (incidentally, I am still aiming to introduce midi-clock-derived pulses into my dl4 as a midi version of tap-tempo.) but why not just use an expression pedal? d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.E740D7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4??

>>I recall seeing somewhere some instructions on ho= w to build and wire
up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any line 6 st= ompbox I guess). 
The idea was to have the four control switches on the fl= oor for your feet<<

that ought to be easy enough, if you can solder and do a = bit of metalwork. I'd guess that the four existing switches are all closure= s-to-ground, but even if they're not, the worst case is that you'll need an= 8-way socket mounting on the dl4 somewhere. a midi-type socket, though per= haps with a different pin orientation, would be ideal. then just wire the r= emote switches in parallel with the ones inside the dl4, via the socket, a = suitable plug and whatever you're putting on the floor by way of a remote.<= /FONT>

(incidentally, I am still aiming to introduce midi-clock-= derived pulses into my dl4 as a midi version of tap-tempo.)

but why not just use an expression pedal?

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3D6.E740D7F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:22:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGELOU32475; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:21:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c3c3d8$8639e800$46a14c51@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: Subject: Zoom 2100 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:28:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C3D8.8599B060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C3D8.8599B060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm intrigued about the zoom 2100's looping capabilities I know a couple of people from this list have used them - could you let = me know what the unit is like? Can it do sound on sound, etc? There's one going for cheap so i might buy it to satisfy my curiosity! Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C3D8.8599B060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm intrigued about the zoom 2100's = looping=20 capabilities
 
I know a couple of people from this = list have=20 used them - could you let me know what the unit is like? Can = it do=20 sound on sound, etc?
 
There's one going for cheap so i might = buy it to=20 satisfy my curiosity!
 
Gareth
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C3D8.8599B060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:31:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGERhr00784; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:27:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 14:27:37.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0C9D810:01C3C3E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Was this it? YESSSSSS!!! Thanks so much. Anyone know if Greg has updated? Or can be contacted? Thanks again. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 12:50:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGHhkF28774; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FDF430A.5040203@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:38:18 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 References: <002b01c3c3d8$8639e800$46a14c51@aoldsl.net> In-Reply-To: <002b01c3c3d8$8639e800$46a14c51@aoldsl.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010807070205070209010805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010807070205070209010805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 2100 is cool and unique. That said, I'd sell mine for $60! ;) plus shipping which would be cheap... The longest looping times - 32 seconds at lower fidelity, 16 at hi (sorry, can't remember sample rates) - are pure sampling, no sound-on-sound. There is a 10-second delay which is sound-on-sound, and can be combined with other efx. There are ugly distortions, a cool ring mod, decent phaser, etc. Also, there's an interesting mode which is my favorite, in that you can record three five-second samples and trigger them using three of the pedals - yes, even at the same time. Unfortunately they don't repeat on their own, you have to hold down your foot the whole time. Can result in some serious ballet dancing. Here's a link to the old product page (it's discontinued) and to the downloadable manual. http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1628&brandID=4 Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I'm intrigued about the zoom 2100's looping capabilities > > I know a couple of people from this list have used them - could you > let me know what the unit is like? Can it do sound on sound, etc? > > There's one going for cheap so i might buy it to satisfy my curiosity! --------------010807070205070209010805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The 2100 is cool and unique.  That said, I'd sell mine for $60! ;)  plus shipping which would be cheap...

The longest looping times - 32 seconds at lower fidelity, 16 at hi (sorry, can't remember sample rates) - are pure sampling, no sound-on-sound.  There is a 10-second delay which is sound-on-sound, and can be combined with other efx.  There are ugly distortions, a cool ring mod, decent phaser, etc.  Also, there's an interesting mode which is my favorite, in that you can record three five-second samples and trigger them using three of the pedals - yes, even at the same time.  Unfortunately they don't repeat on their own, you have to hold down your foot the whole time.  Can result in some serious ballet dancing. 

Here's a link to the old product page (it's discontinued) and to the downloadable manual.

http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1628&brandID=4

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

I'm intrigued about the zoom 2100's looping capabilities
 
I know a couple of people from this list have used them - could you let me know what the unit is like? Can it do sound on sound, etc?
 
There's one going for cheap so i might buy it to satisfy my curiosity!
--------------010807070205070209010805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 15:00:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGJs0k15918; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:54:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:54:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <20.1eb78228.2d10bcc1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:53:37 EST Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.1eb78228.2d10bcc1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_20.1eb78228.2d10bcc1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gareth.....i use the 3 five sec. loops that can be set up in the zoom 2100, you can get the stuttery d.j. type thing going with it.....you can hear this on that KLUTTER cd that i think you got.....how much do they want for it?.....i have not used the longer loop functions but i really like the box.....you can tweak some interesting sounds out of it.....get it and if you don't like it just resell it.....michael p.s. does anyone out there have a foot pedal for the 2100, mine is broken and i would like to get another one, any suggestions? --part1_20.1eb78228.2d10bcc1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gareth.= ....i use the 3 five sec. loops that can be set up in the zoom 2100, you can= get the stuttery d.j. type thing going with it.....you can hear this on tha= t KLUTTER cd that i think you got.....how much do they want for it?.....i ha= ve not used the longer loop functions but i really like the box.....you can=20= tweak some interesting sounds out of it.....get it and if you don't like it=20= just resell it.....michael
p.s. does anyone out there have a foot pedal for the 2100, mine is broken an= d i would like to get another one, any suggestions?
--part1_20.1eb78228.2d10bcc1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 15:32:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGKOvr21323; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:24:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c3c412$a7e1e2c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312162000.hBGK0Pj18112@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: LUIS ANGULO please contact me ONLY at purplehand@hotmail.com, ASAP! Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:18:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luis, I am not recieving any of your private e-mails and have no idea whether you've recieved the two or three I've sent you lately. Would you please contact me at Purplehand@hotmail.com ASAP? My current e-mail server is having problems and we haven't figured out what the problem is but I'm definitely not getting a lot of e-mails. Thanks, bud, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 15:37:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGKUIi22131; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:30:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:30:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c3c413$6a639640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200312162000.hBGK0Pj18112@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: the coldness of drum machines Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:28:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daniel Zachary wrote: "Oh and I love drum machine's coldness" Ironically, Daniel, I , too, love the coldness of drum machines at times. I've even gone so far as constructing an acoustic drum set that sounds as much as possibly like a Roland TR808. In concert with my wife's beautiful, melancholic and extremely minimal songs , I try to play as perfectly and mechanically as possible to simulate a drum machine or a perfect loop. I've even constructed a kit with three very tight 6", 8" and 10" snares so that I can do buzz rolls that sound like playing up and down the keyboard sampler in Drum and Bass and with 16" crappy old 1960's japanese crash cymbals and an incredibly detuned 14" X 10" ludwig snare with a flappy 26" kick to simulate pitching down an octave to get trip hop simulations. Oddly, though, I don't like it when people try to make drums sound realistic and they are far off the mark. Queer, isn't it? yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 15:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGKnXi26073; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:49:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:49:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c3c416$98c0c280$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <200312162000.hBGK0Pj18112@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c3c413$6a639640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: EDP malfunction? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:53:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, no reply from the tech support e.mail address so maybe you guys can help. My EDP is doing crazy things. I record a loop and try to overdub. Sometimes there is no overdub happening or there are beats missing. A similar thing happens with overdub. I've tried resetting already. It's the newer model running loop 4. Would appreciate any help. Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 15:57:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGKrlF26818; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1560.172.150.165.69.1071608027.squirrel@172.150.165.69> In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DCE@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DCE@LON-MAIL07> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:53:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it's the midi tap tempo that I'm interested in. Any broken ground yet? -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>>I recall seeing somewhere some instructions on how to build and wire > up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any line 6 stompbox I guess). > The idea was to have the four control switches on the floor for your > feet<< > > that ought to be easy enough, if you can solder and do a bit of metalwork. > I'd guess that the four existing switches are all closures-to-ground, but > even if they're not, the worst case is that you'll need an 8-way socket > mounting on the dl4 somewhere. a midi-type socket, though perhaps with a > different pin orientation, would be ideal. then just wire the remote > switches in parallel with the ones inside the dl4, via the socket, a > suitable plug and whatever you're putting on the floor by way of a remote. > (incidentally, I am still aiming to introduce midi-clock-derived pulses > into my dl4 as a midi version of tap-tempo.) > > but why not just use an expression pedal? > > d. > > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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There is a 10-second delay which is sound-on-sound, and > can be combined with other efx. There are ugly distortions, a cool ring > mod, decent phaser, etc. Also, there's an interesting mode which is my > favorite, in that you can record three five-second samples and trigger > them using three of the pedals - yes, even at the same time. the 10 s delay isn't 100% feedback. but in series with that you can have 6s of delay with a freeze/overdub feature. the 16s/32s sampler can play back at lower pitches, down to 2 oct, but only if you use the aux input. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 17:46:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGMbtV11161; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:37:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:37:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.101.11.107] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: confused on how to hook up a/b box Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:37:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 22:37:49.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BB07540:01C3C425] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are lots of inputs and outputs going on here. I plug the guitar into the single jack in front. Then I take it I put the A line into the input of the rc-20 and than plug into the amp through the rc-20 ouput. What about the B-line? This must go into the amp also? I only have one input on my amp. Thanks to everyone for being so helpful. These are totally new ideas to me. >From: "lol c" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:27:13 +0000 > >Hi there Andy > >This is Phill Wilson, Im from the UK, > I can totally empathise with your situation , it wasnt much more then a >year ago that I first bought an RC20 as my beginnings of a loop rig. > Isnt it just the way, that as soon as you get a new piece of kit, you >find you want ot do something just a little bit more then what you can >easily do with it, trust me , as a brand new EDP user I can say it never >seems to let up. > >I have however , thought up a pretty cost effective work around for you. >if you bought an A/B box and placed it before your RC-20 with the single >jack connected to your guitar. You could connect the A line to your RC-20 >then into a (passive) volume pedal and then run line B past the RC20 to >connect up with line A either at the input of a stereo FX(If you got em!) >or into the second line of your amp(if you got one of them) or failing that >into a splitter Y shaped cable (you get them from most music shops and I >imagine Radioshack type places). > > In practice you could then play and loop till your hearts content, then >switch from A to B and carry on playing whatever you dont need recorded, >then simply reduce the volume of the RC-20 whilst you play >on..........Voila!!! > >hope this is a help? > >Keep up the good work > >Phill > > >>From: "Andy Morris" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: new to looping, have question about rc-20 >>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:30:45 +0000 >> >> First off, I'd like to say hello to everyone. I am new to the list and >>somewhat new to the art of loops. My name is Andy Morris, I am from the >>state of Maryland. I have been playing guitar for about six years now and >>I first got turned onto the idea of looping by messing around with delay >>and feedback. Once I realized that this provided a small similarity to >>looping I wanted to be able to loop longer phrases and overdub on top of >>that. That's when I learned buying a loop pedal was perfect for me. >> So after saving money for a couple of months I bought a Boss RC-20 >>about a month and a half ago. I have noticed my playing has improved at a >>very satisfactory rate since than. I have been able to practice my soloing >>and work out new phrases to add to my music. I am still learning, but than >>again aren't we always? I am excited about being able to develop my >>abilities in this new way and since playing I have noticed a few things I >>would like to change if I could. One thing I like about a pedal like a >>Bommerang as opposed to my rc-20 is the foot roller volume control. If you >>want to fade out your loop on the rc-20 you have to bend down and twist >>the knob. Not practical as I'm sure you all know. >> I would like to be able to adjust the volume of the loop with a volume >>pedal without turning off the volume to my guitar. This way instead of >>just hitting stop I can fade out and segue to something totally different >>and it would sound alot better. So my question is if anyone out there >>knows what I can do to achieve this, especially if you use the rc-20, let >>me hear your ideas. Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar >>while I am fading the loop volume out. >> One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works >>with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place >>next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 to >>$400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to being >>part of this mailing list. Peace. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 >>months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 17:49:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGMiTR11839; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.101.11.107] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: who here uses MIDI? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:44:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 22:44:23.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[26F493B0:01C3C426] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How many loopers here use MIDI? I don't know exactly how it works. It may be something I'd like to get acquainted with. Can anyone give me a brief explanation or tell me what you do with MIDI yourself? _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 17:53:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGMlug12387; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:47:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031216224750.81217.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:47:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: LUIS ANGULO please contact me ONLY at purplehand@hotmail.com, ASAP! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008901c3c412$a7e1e2c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7vYwfD.A.XBD.cu43_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, Haven´t gotten any mails from you but now i got it let me know if you got this one take care compay L.a --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Hi Luis, I am not recieving any of your private > e-mails and have no idea > whether you've recieved the > two or three I've sent you lately. > > Would you please contact me at > Purplehand@hotmail.com ASAP? > > My current e-mail server is having problems and we > haven't figured out what > the problem is but I'm definitely not > getting a lot of e-mails. > > Thanks, bud, > > yours, Rick > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 18:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGN8YA16153; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <19256680.1071616107382.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> From: gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk Reply-To: gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_539_4435274.1071616107379" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:08:27 +0100 (CET) Resent-Message-ID: <_wqonD.A.R8D.yB53_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_539_4435274.1071616107379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've noticed something annoying with my Boss RC-20 and i was wondering if other Loopers had the same problem with their units. In a nutshell, even though the Guide/Metronome volume is turned down as far as it will go, an audible 'ticking' can be heard (more prominant when in Record and Overdub modes, though it can be faintly heard in Playback too), that is in time with the guide beat when i'm playing back loops. To my ears, it sounds like the Guide signal is somehow 'bleeding' into my loops and the ticking is in fact some sort of interferance. How anyway els= e come accross this problem before? Gareth Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save =A37.50 a mont= h=20 www.freeserve.com/anytime ------=_Part_539_4435274.1071616107379 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've noticed something annoying with my Boss RC-20 and i was wondering ifother Loopers had the same problem with their units.

In a nutshell= , even though the Guide/Metronome volume is turned down as far
as it wil= l go, an audible 'ticking' can be heard (more prominant when in
Record a= nd Overdub modes, though it can be faintly heard in Playback too),
that = is in time with the guide beat when i'm playing back loops.

To my ea= rs, it sounds like the Guide signal is somehow 'bleeding' into my
loops = and the ticking is in fact some sort of interferance.  How anyway else=
come accross this problem before?

Gareth





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www.freeserve.com/anytime ------=_Part_539_4435274.1071616107379-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 18:52:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBGNnai20755; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:49:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:49:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c3c440$3515d480$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200312131019.hBDAJPQ23832@hemlock.violacea.com> <014701c3c167$e5657650$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <002b01c3c39d$a068cb50$0200a8c0@amd> Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:50:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3U8dXC.A.KEF.Qo53_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha -- forgot to set the tempo to 135 BPM when I cut and pasted it into a new MIDI file. Hee hee, bet that sounded good. Fixed now, in case anyone wants to take a second listen. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/drumsdemo.mid -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES > I write some pretty percussion intensive music that is all sequenced. > Here's an eight bar MIDI file for a breakdown section in a tune I'm working > on right now. Just thought I'd share an example rather than just talking > about it. > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/drumsdemo.mid > > You may have to open this in your sequencer and tell it to use a drum kit, > on channel 10, if it doesn't automatically do it. Good luck, y'all. > > -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 19:38:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH0ZRS27625; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: who here uses MIDI? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:35:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcPEJjVj7eL8KiXPRSmBMw57yvCURwADpdWg Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK!! I'm using MIDI to control two Echoplex Digital Pros, as well as a Lexicon MPX G2 and two tone modules, a Sound Canvas Roland SC-880 and an Alesis D4. I play the modules with a synth guitar made by Starr Labs into the EDPs and control them also from the doubleneck Ztar (picture at http://www.healthquestrecruiter.com/id9.html) I also use a MIDI foot controller, the Digitech PMC-10 and a Peavey PC1600x, which is a MIDI controller with faders like the JL Cooper thingee. MIDI is pretty darned whizzy--but optional, as Matt Davignon will demonstrate tonight here in San Diego. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 23:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH4C2f22839; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:12:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:12:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031217041156.48451.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: who here uses MIDI? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1891994555-1071634316=:45314" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1891994555-1071634316=:45314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i use midi to control just about every aspect of my rig, from cuing my loopers, triggering pre-recorded loops, changing effects patches, rerouting my rig, transmitting data to sound modules and everything in between. midi is truly an incredible thing. -jim --0-1891994555-1071634316=:45314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
i use midi to control just about every aspect of my rig, from cuing my loopers, triggering pre-recorded loops, changing effects patches, rerouting my rig, transmitting data to sound modules and everything in between.
 
midi is truly an incredible thing.
 
-jim
--0-1891994555-1071634316=:45314-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 23:14:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH4DMx22978; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031217041316.51337.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: confused on how to hook up a/b box To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-935455433-1071634396=:51126" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-935455433-1071634396=:51126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii generally, an a/b box is used to send the same signal to two different inputs. for example, if you wanted to send your guitar signal to two seperate amps you'd use an a/b box. pretty much any situation where you'd need to split a signal into two (or three in some cases). -jim --0-935455433-1071634396=:51126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
generally, an a/b box is used to send the same signal to two different inputs.  for example, if you wanted to send your guitar signal to two seperate amps you'd use an a/b box.  pretty much any situation where you'd need to split a signal into two (or three in some cases).
 
-jim
--0-935455433-1071634396=:51126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 23:14:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH4Dre23110; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:13:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:13:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.215.96] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: confused on how to hook up a/b box Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:13:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 04:13:46.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A8CE6C0:01C3C454] Resent-Message-ID: <_-z06D.A.9oF.Ag93_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heres a very badly drawn diagram: Guitar---------A----------RC-20---------Volume Pedal-----------\ / } Y cord------------Amp B---------------------------------------------------------/ Hope that this holds togeather in the post or it will make no sense. Like I say, Y cords are available at most Toany.RadioShack type places (well they are in the uk) plus ur guitar shops will surely sort you out. Good luck Phill Wilson (PS lemme know if u need any more info on setups) >From: "Andy Morris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: confused on how to hook up a/b box >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:37:49 +0000 > >There are lots of inputs and outputs going on here. I plug the guitar into >the single jack in front. Then I take it I put the A line into the input of >the rc-20 and than plug into the amp through the rc-20 ouput. What about >the B-line? This must go into the amp also? I only have one input on my >amp. Thanks to everyone for being so helpful. These are totally new ideas >to me. > > >>From: "lol c" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: new to looping, have question about rc-20 >>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:27:13 +0000 >> >>Hi there Andy >> >>This is Phill Wilson, Im from the UK, >> I can totally empathise with your situation , it wasnt much more then a >>year ago that I first bought an RC20 as my beginnings of a loop rig. >> Isnt it just the way, that as soon as you get a new piece of kit, you >>find you want ot do something just a little bit more then what you can >>easily do with it, trust me , as a brand new EDP user I can say it never >>seems to let up. >> >>I have however , thought up a pretty cost effective work around for you. >>if you bought an A/B box and placed it before your RC-20 with the single >>jack connected to your guitar. You could connect the A line to your RC-20 >>then into a (passive) volume pedal and then run line B past the RC20 to >>connect up with line A either at the input of a stereo FX(If you got em!) >>or into the second line of your amp(if you got one of them) or failing >>that into a splitter Y shaped cable (you get them from most music shops >>and I imagine Radioshack type places). >> >> In practice you could then play and loop till your hearts content, then >>switch from A to B and carry on playing whatever you dont need recorded, >>then simply reduce the volume of the RC-20 whilst you play >>on..........Voila!!! >> >>hope this is a help? >> >>Keep up the good work >> >>Phill >> >> >>>From: "Andy Morris" >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: new to looping, have question about rc-20 >>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:30:45 +0000 >>> >>> First off, I'd like to say hello to everyone. I am new to the list >>>and somewhat new to the art of loops. My name is Andy Morris, I am from >>>the state of Maryland. I have been playing guitar for about six years now >>>and I first got turned onto the idea of looping by messing around with >>>delay and feedback. Once I realized that this provided a small similarity >>>to looping I wanted to be able to loop longer phrases and overdub on top >>>of that. That's when I learned buying a loop pedal was perfect for me. >>> So after saving money for a couple of months I bought a Boss RC-20 >>>about a month and a half ago. I have noticed my playing has improved at a >>>very satisfactory rate since than. I have been able to practice my >>>soloing and work out new phrases to add to my music. I am still learning, >>>but than again aren't we always? I am excited about being able to develop >>>my abilities in this new way and since playing I have noticed a few >>>things I would like to change if I could. One thing I like about a pedal >>>like a Bommerang as opposed to my rc-20 is the foot roller volume >>>control. If you want to fade out your loop on the rc-20 you have to bend >>>down and twist the knob. Not practical as I'm sure you all know. >>> I would like to be able to adjust the volume of the loop with a volume >>>pedal without turning off the volume to my guitar. This way instead of >>>just hitting stop I can fade out and segue to something totally different >>>and it would sound alot better. So my question is if anyone out there >>>knows what I can do to achieve this, especially if you use the rc-20, let >>>me hear your ideas. Once again, I still want to be able to play my guitar >>>while I am fading the loop volume out. >>> One other quick question, if anyone is reading this post that works >>>with synthesizers I want to buy a small keyboard synth that I can place >>>next to my set up. If anyone has used one in a good price range of $300 >>>to $400 I'd also like your suggestions. Thanks alot, look forward to >>>being part of this mailing list. Peace. >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 >>>months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >>http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 02:49:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH7mi814149; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: who here uses MIDI? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:48:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPEJjVj7eL8KiXPRSmBMw57yvCURwADpdWgAA8es1A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt Davignon rocked the house here tonight in San Diego. He did not use MIDI. Explaining MIDI . . . it's just a standard way of communicating musical directions electronically. A piano keyboard can send note on and off information, pedals can send sustain (cc64), just about everything including starting the toaster in the morning can be done with MIDI. Heck, MIDI found Saddam Hussein! OK, the space music makin' me crazy . . . In any case, what I like to tell people is, when your computer makes a noise or plays music and it's not a recording (ie, samples), THAT'S MIDI. Tonight Matt played samples from records and tapes and CDs . . . Into a pair of Digitech guitar pedals from the last century. He really knows his tools well . . . And the other players were good, too . . . Big bang for the buck ($5 . . .) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 03:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH8UfZ19362; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3826.172.128.20.130.1071649843.squirrel@172.128.20.130> In-Reply-To: <20031217041156.48451.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031217041156.48451.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:30:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: who here uses MIDI? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've only used MIDI live as a means of controlling my guitar effects boxes, that was the 90's. I'm now embarking on a poroject with a classically trained pianist who works all things synced and/or sequenced through MIDI. I used to be in a band who's light show was run with MIDI, but knowing about it wasn't my job, I sang. The same guy now runs production at one of the local Halloween Haunted Houses, I'm guessing he uses it there too, controlling screams, as it were. -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > i use midi to control just about every aspect of my rig, from cuing my > loopers, triggering pre-recorded loops, changing effects patches, > rerouting my rig, transmitting data to sound modules and everything in > between. > > midi is truly an incredible thing. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 04:25:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH9NTZ26862; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:23:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:23:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: who here uses MIDI? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:23:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPEeBaNlilNQsAGTrSwSPUDF7MglgABzG/w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3826.172.128.20.130.1071649843.squirrel@172.128.20.130> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who here uses MIDI? I'm guessing he uses it there too, controlling screams, as it were. Must . . . MIDI . . .control . . . Scream . . . Of . . . Doom . . . G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 04:57:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBH9spQ29733; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <131.280f164d.2d1181e3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:54:43 EST Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 footpedal info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > p.s. does anyone out there have a foot pedal for the 2100, mine is broken and > > i would like to get another one, any suggestions? It's non-standard. A 100k linear pot , connected to a TRS (tip-ring-shield) stereo jack. The wiper of the pot is connected to the ring on the jack, which is unusual. A Yamaha pedal should work, because the Zoom pedal works with the Yam MFC10 footcontroller . the Zoom units have been known to turn up in music shop junk boxes andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 08:27:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBHDPD125690; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: who here uses MIDI? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: who here uses MIDI? Thread-Index: AcPEJmUh//ds7zDzT5aKEvY8dYYMyAAeshJw From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 13:26:36.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[652C0BB0:01C3C4A1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBHDPCd25668 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some time ago, I wrote an article about MIDI as it pertains to the gear-headed Stick player controlling multiple effects devices. It's only a fraction of the full picture but it might give you some basics that you'll find helpful. Go to www.detroitstick.com/words/articles/midicontrol/ Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Morris [mailto:apmorris59@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: who here uses MIDI? > > How many loopers here use MIDI? I don't know exactly how it works. It may be > something I'd like to get acquainted with. Can anyone give me a brief > explanation or tell me what you do with MIDI yourself? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 08:35:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBHDVfr26470; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3c4a2$7eeb4600$cb304e51@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Problem Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:30:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 12/16/03 3:08:55 PM, gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk > writes: > > << an audible 'ticking' can be heard (more prominant when in > > Record and Overdub modes, though it can be faintly heard in Playback too), > > that is in time with the guide beat when i'm playing back loops. >> > > I checked mine and with the guide volume off I get no ticking even with the > pedal level up full. > You only have a guide beat when the light flashes after Record, so there > should be no ticking during Record. > Could something else in your setup be causing this signal? > you're right, it doesnt happen during record, just Overdub and Playback mode. I've noticed that the 'ticking' starts to become more pronounced during multiple overdubs (i.e. i switch out of Overdub to Play, then back into Overdub again). It is definately something to do with the Guide because i can change the rate of the ticking by using the tap tempo button! I've also tried the RC-20 on it's own, in a chain of effects, with and without psu power and the noise is still there! Very strange! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 10:04:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBHExG809945; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:59:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:59:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: GIG SPAM Munich/Germany: CLEAN TRIPPIN: Eclectic Blah live feat. Rainer Straschill (keys, sax, electronics) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:01:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c3c4ae$ba1110a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, for those of you in the southern German/Austrian area, consider this: 18.12.03: CLEAN TRIPPIN' - feat. Eclectic Blah (improvised booty funk jazz-o-tronics) This new series of events entitled "Clean Trippin" is a collaboration between DJ Scott (Miclhbar, Scalar, K41, Backstage) and Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (No Members, tsunami.beach, lebendig, Express Brass Band, various solo projects). The events include both DJ sets by DJ Scott and various guests, and live performances by Straschill's "Eclectic Blah" ensemble, which creates contemporary dance styles somewhere in between Air, Bill Laswell, Portishead and Paroah Sanders on a completely freely improvised basis. The group's leader himself has been known to include real-time looping into his work, both solo and in groups, and has promised to do so as part of Eclectic Blah's performances. The core group of Eclectic Blah (Gruber/dr, Würdinger/b, Kühner/git, Straschill/keys,ss,weirdstuff) will always be enhanced by various guest musicians - on Thursday 18.12.03, Filzinho (perc) will once again enrich the sonic textures of the group. The event takes place at "Salon Erna" (www.salonerna.de), a new hot spot in Munich's Optimolwerke. Doors are at 20h, start of the event is 21h, the first set of the band is expected 'round 2230. For this specific first happening in this series, there is no cover charge. So if you're in the 'hood, make sure to stop by and say hello (I'm the crazy guy with the 50ies-style threepiece suit and the electronic stuff). Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 15:35:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBHKVUd05339; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.180.207] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: confused on how to hook up a/b box Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:31:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 20:31:24.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD646B70:01C3C4DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ........................................................................................................................................... .Guitar---------A----------RC-20---------Volume Pedal-----------\............................................................. ................../...........................................................} Y cord------------Amp............................... ..................B---------------------------------------------------------/............................................................. Hmm, my last version of this didnt work very well at all, it all moved around in the post.have filled in the gaps with dots now to see if that will be better,just ignore the dots and read the lines!!if that dosnt work i'll try something else. Phill _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 21:29:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBI2QdK25202; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1165.172.159.66.152.1071714000.squirrel@172.159.66.152> In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DCE@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DCE@LON-MAIL07> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:20:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: External Footswitch for Line 6 dl-4?? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, Are you really giving these midi-clock-derived pulses some serious thought? If so, please use this list as a sounding board! Are there any products already on the market that do this? I've never really looked into it before! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>>I recall seeing somewhere some instructions on how to build and wire > up an external footswitch for the DL-4 (or any line 6 stompbox I guess). > The idea was to have the four control switches on the floor for your > feet<< > > that ought to be easy enough, if you can solder and do a bit of metalwork. > I'd guess that the four existing switches are all closures-to-ground, but > even if they're not, the worst case is that you'll need an 8-way socket > mounting on the dl4 somewhere. a midi-type socket, though perhaps with a > different pin orientation, would be ideal. then just wire the remote > switches in parallel with the ones inside the dl4, via the socket, a > suitable plug and whatever you're putting on the floor by way of a remote. > (incidentally, I am still aiming to introduce midi-clock-derived pulses > into my dl4 as a midi version of tap-tempo.) > > but why not just use an expression pedal? > > d. > > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 03:13:09.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCFD6E40:01C3C514] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went through the first 95% of the work to build a little midi clock --> tap tempo converter. Basically it takes a midi clock input, you set a dial to divide the clock down (so you can tap tempo on eighth note or 8 beats, or anything in between), then you tap the first tap, it'll do the second tap for you. This was for a vortex, but it could have worked with any basic digital delay that had a tap tempo input. In any case, the last 5% is always plenty of work, and I quit when I realized that I personally wouldn't use such a thing very much at all. I don't own a dl4, so I also don't know if it has a tap tempo input for the looper or whether you'd have to go inside and wire it in yourself. There are midi clock to din sync converter chips from multiple sources: http://www.blacet.com/MSdata.html Using a divide-by-n chip you can output a pulse every beat, or a pulse every 4/4 measure, or whatever you want to dream up. As far as off the shelf stuff, I don't know of anything right now. Jon > Duncan, > Are you really giving these midi-clock-derived pulses some serious thought? > > If so, please use this list as a sounding board! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 23:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBI4faO14508; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:41:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:41:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031217213855.01a92560@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:38:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE: HuMaNiZiNg cold DRUM MACHINES In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to chime in and agree on using not only relatively minimal patterns, but also on the point about combining drum sounds to create a single sound. In the PSA I was recently involved in, for the drum programming, I combined two or three kick drums to make a single kick, and three snares for the chunkiest, most totally bitchin' snare sound! woohoo! It way rocked! Anyway, excellent points, and to add a couple of my own, in changing from pattern to pattern, if Rick hasn't already brought this up, I personally like to work within the realm of subtlety, making slight, more simple changes, which can flow better in my opinion. Of course, I also do appreciate and like completely over-the-top pattern switches as well, but as a rule, I really like subtlety in patterns. The other thing I like is dynamics. -or simply taking that idea to the extreme and removing the rhythm track altogether, and then bringing it back either abruptly or gradually. -Just the idea of dropping the rhythm out altogether and then bringing it back, really stands out to me, and can in my opinion, really spice up a section of a piece. -just my thoughts... Happy Holidays All!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 12.15.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 17 23:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBI4tbM16093; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031217220041.01a94ad0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:00:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: who here uses MIDI? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -All the time. I'm betting alot of others have already replied to you, but if they haven't or haven't explained things to your liking, I'll have a go as well after I read through, K? -Happy Holidays!... Smiles, Cara At 10:44 PM 12/16/03 +0000, you wrote: > > > >How many loopers here use MIDI? I don't know exactly how it works. It may be >something I'd like to get acquainted with. Can anyone give me a brief >explanation or tell me what you do with MIDI yourself? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. >http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 12.15.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 00:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBI5SsT21941; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031217223357.01aa5250@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:33:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: who here uses MIDI? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031217220041.01a94ad0@pop.earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's a brief and basic explanation of midi. Midi stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface, and is simply a language of numbers which allows communication between devices. This can be in the form of various commands or information that tells a particular device such as a keyboard for example, to play a specific note or group of notes, and how to play them. It can also tell effects processors to alter effects or change presets. etc. -or, as you may have heard discussed here, it can be used to send clock or timing messages between various devices to keep them running together. -in synch. Anyway, It's simply based on 16 channels, so if you think of a telephone with 16 lines, with a friend of yours having an identical phone also with 16 lines, you can start to see how midi channels work. If your friend is listening to line 2 on their phone, but you've got line 1 picked up, you won't be able to hear eachother. So, you'd simply switch to line 2, or have them switch to line 1. So with midi devices, you need to tell them ahead of time in most cases which channels to listen to so they can communicate properly with eachother. Does this make sense? Many midi messages depend on this to work. There are some though, such as midi clock, which are sent on all channels at the same time, so regardless of which channel a device may be set to, it can always receive midi clock messages. You may also have seen note messages talked about here, alot. These get sent on a single channel, so as we said above, you'd need to make sure your devices which are using midi to talk to eachother, are set to be on the same midi channel. So, with a note message, a device would just receive in escence, a number, which it would then understand as being a specific note that it should then play. Then, when it receives another note message which tells it to turn off that particular note, it will then terminate it. -still with me?... One other type of midi message is called a program change message, which is usually used to tell a device to change a patch or program. So, if you have a sound on your keyboard playing, and it then receives a program change message, it will then switch to another sound for you to play. Of course, many devices also use these types of messages in different ways as well, from what we've talked about here. So they can do different things, depending on the device that's receiving them. since, as we said, these messages are just numbers, they can be interpretted as the device is designed to. So, a note message may actually cause a device to perform a function other than playing a note, as with some of the loopers people here use. Since they can't play notes for themselves, they may respond to note messages by performing some other function. Does this make ssense? So, I hope this gives you some idea as to what midi is and what it does. If you have any questions or need me to clarify at all, please don't hesitate to ask, K? Have a great night, and talk with ya on the flip... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 12.15.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 09:45:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIEe6r30992; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:40:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at Perkatory Cafe 12/20/03 From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1137CB36-3168-11D8-AEEC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing two sets of acoustic guitar looping at the Perkatory Cafe (1400 14th Avenue, the corner of 14th Ave. and Union) this Saturday between 7 and 9PM. There's no cover and it's the usual non-smoking intimate cafe type venue, so if you're looking for something to do early Saturday evening, come on down. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 10:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIFi1Y09268; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <145.1eed37df.2d13253a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:43:54 EST Subject: New York Guitar Festival 2004 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBIFi1d09244 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I was just checking out the official DT website at http://www.splattercell.com/ and saw a new link on there for the New York Guitar Festival (Jan. 14 through Feb. 03). Wow what a line up! Check it out at: http://www.newyorkguitarfestival.org/nygf/ At the same time, take note of the schedule and check out the item slated for Jan. 14th & 15th: ________________________________________ 14 JAN 2004  Wed 15 JAN 2004  Thu The Bill Frisell Trio Bill Frisell (guitar), Kenny Wollesen (drums) & Tony Scher (bass). The world premiere of new Bill Frisell film scores commissioned by the New York Guitar Festival®. The scores will accompany five early films by Georges MĂ©liès, including “A Trip to the Moon” (1902) and “The Impossible Voyage” (1904). Plus, he New York premiere of a Frisell score to the 1935 Japanese film “Dkudan Hanayome” (“Bombshell Bride”), directed by Keisuke Sasaki. Bill Morrison’s “The Mesmerist” with live accompaniment by the Trio, will also be screened. Presented in association with WNYC/New Sounds® Live and broadcast on 93.9 FM. WORLD FINANCIAL CENTER WINTER GARDEN, 7 pm Battery Park City, bordered by West Street, the Hudson River, Vesey and Liberty Streets. FREE and open to the public, (212) 945-2600 www.worldfinancialcenter.com ________________________________________ And the item for January 25th which reads: ________________________________________ 25 JAN 2004  Sun The Guitar Marathon David Torn, Steve Kimock, Patty Larkin, Ed Gerhard, Bob Brozman, Russell Malone w/ Benny Green, Vinicius Cantuaria, Henry Kaiser, The Newman & Oltman Guitar Duo, Dominic Frasca, David Cullen, Abdoulaye Diabate w/ Banning Eyre, Dennis Koster, Michael Newman, David Starobin and Paul O'Dette. Our 2nd biannual Guitar Marathon at the 92nd Street Y’s Kaufman Auditorium will run from 2—10pm, with one break at 5pm. “An epic event” is how the The Wall Street Journal classified our last Marathon, and Jazz Times called it “a veritable guitar orgy.” Half—and full-day tickets are available now. Presented in association with WNYC/New Sounds® Live and broadcast on 93.9 FM. ________________________________________ And the item for January 28th which reads: ________________________________________ 28 JAN 2004  Wed David Torn & Andre La Fosse One of the most original and creative artists of today, David Torn is a texturalist/guitarist, composer, multi-instrumentalist, producer, writer and occasional singer. Torn has released many acclaimed records as a leader and has recently collaborated with a diverse array of artists, such as Annie Lennox, Jeff Beck, David Bowie and Tori Amos. Mojo magazine cited LaFosse as “an astonishing guitarist of a very different ilk... Fripp and Zappa, step aside” and 20th Century Guitar magazine described his music as “A spectacular collision of manifold musical thoughts and patterns.” MAKOR, 35 West 67th Street. Tickets $20, (212) 601-1000 www.makor.org 92ND STREET Y, Lexington Avenue @ 92nd Street Tickets $30-$50, (212) 415-5500 ________________________________________ This is a terrific opportunity for East Coast loopsters (and guitar nuts in general) to check out some great music! It's also a wonderful development for Andre's career I think. Way to go Dre! I'm stuck here in the "Orygun" outback where nuthin' ever happens. I wish I could be there. I haven't seen DT perform live since I saw him at the club, Luna Park, in L.A. many years back. All of you folks back there within a 500 mile radius owe it to yourselves to check out at least some of it. Cheers! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 15:35:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIKUpV27030; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:44:23 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Godlyke Power all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the Godlyke successfully? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 15:55:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIKlwQ29580; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1092.172.129.167.161.1071780478.squirrel@172.129.167.161> In-Reply-To: <145.1eed37df.2d13253a@aol.com> References: <145.1eed37df.2d13253a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:47:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: New York Guitar Festival 2004 From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0wg5a.A.DOH.-Jh4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dammit man! I just booked one nighters that whole week. Doh! I hafta friggin play Jessies Girl and 867-5309! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just checking out the official DT website at > http://www.splattercell.com/ and saw a new link > on there for the New York Guitar Festival (Jan. 14 > through Feb. 03). Wow what a line up! Check it out > at: http://www.newyorkguitarfestival.org/nygf/ > > At the same time, take note of the schedule and > check out the item slated for Jan. 14th & 15th: > ________________________________________ > > 14 JAN 2004  Wed > 15 JAN 2004  Thu > > The Bill Frisell Trio > > Bill Frisell (guitar), Kenny Wollesen (drums) > & Tony Scher (bass). The world premiere of new > Bill Frisell film scores commissioned by the New > York Guitar Festival®. The scores will accompany > five early films by Georges MĂ©liès, including > “A Trip to the Moon” (1902) and “The Impossible > Voyage” (1904). Plus, he New York premiere of > a Frisell score to the 1935 Japanese film “Dkudan > Hanayome” (“Bombshell Bride”), directed by Keisuke > Sasaki. Bill Morrison’s “The Mesmerist” with live > accompaniment by the Trio, will also be screened. > Presented in association with WNYC/New Sounds® > Live and broadcast on 93.9 FM. > > WORLD FINANCIAL CENTER WINTER GARDEN, 7 pm > Battery Park City, bordered by West Street, the Hudson > River, Vesey and Liberty Streets. FREE and open to the > public, (212) 945-2600 www.worldfinancialcenter.com > ________________________________________ > > And the item for January 25th which reads: > ________________________________________ > > 25 JAN 2004  Sun > > The Guitar Marathon > > David Torn, Steve Kimock, Patty Larkin, Ed Gerhard, > Bob Brozman, Russell Malone w/ Benny Green, Vinicius > Cantuaria, Henry Kaiser, The Newman & Oltman Guitar > Duo, Dominic Frasca, David Cullen, Abdoulaye Diabate > w/ Banning Eyre, Dennis Koster, Michael Newman, > David Starobin and Paul O'Dette. > > Our 2nd biannual Guitar Marathon at the 92nd Street > Y’s Kaufman Auditorium will run from 2—10pm, with > one break at 5pm. “An epic event” is how the The Wall > Street Journal classified our last Marathon, and Jazz > Times called it “a veritable guitar orgy.” Half—and > full-day tickets are available now. Presented in > association with WNYC/New Sounds® Live and > broadcast on 93.9 FM. > ________________________________________ > > And the item for January 28th which reads: > ________________________________________ > > 28 JAN 2004  Wed > > David Torn & Andre La Fosse > > One of the most original and creative artists of today, > David Torn is a texturalist/guitarist, composer, > multi-instrumentalist, producer, writer and occasional > singer. Torn has released many acclaimed records as > a leader and has recently collaborated with a diverse > array of artists, such as Annie Lennox, Jeff Beck, > David Bowie and Tori Amos. Mojo magazine cited > LaFosse as “an astonishing guitarist of a very > different ilk... Fripp and Zappa, step aside” and > 20th Century Guitar magazine described his music > as “A spectacular collision of manifold musical > thoughts and patterns.” > > MAKOR, 35 West 67th Street. Tickets $20, > (212) 601-1000 www.makor.org > > 92ND STREET Y, Lexington Avenue @ 92nd Street > Tickets $30-$50, (212) 415-5500 > ________________________________________ > > This is a terrific opportunity for East Coast loopsters > (and guitar nuts in general) to check out some great music! > It's also a wonderful development for Andre's career I think. > Way to go Dre! > > I'm stuck here in the "Orygun" outback where nuthin' ever > happens. I wish I could be there. I haven't seen DT perform > live since I saw him at the club, Luna Park, in L.A. many > years back. All of you folks back there within a 500 mile > radius owe it to yourselves to check out at least some > of it. > > Cheers! > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 16:03:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIKxH700519; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:59:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:59:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1202.172.129.167.161.1071781157.squirrel@172.129.167.161> In-Reply-To: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> References: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:59:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, do you use the Adrenalinn with an audio looper? If so, are they synced? If so, how? I've been looking at the Adrenalinn and the EDP for a few months now, and I'm on the fence. I just haven't met anyone who's doing it. -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com John Mazzarella wrote: > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the > Godlyke successfully? > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 16:16:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBILAfE02044; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:10:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:10:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.202.135.118] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Godlyke Power all Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:10:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 21:10:35.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[60E47410:01C3C5AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It’s fantastic! I saw Tom Ritchford use it @ NY OpenLoop a few times & got one too. It won’t solve all of life problems but makes things much easier when one powers some effects :P Best 35 dollars I've spent recently Peace lou >From: John Mazzarella >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: Godlyke Power all >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:44:23 -0500 > >I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my >pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was >using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it >with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn >still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the >Godlyke successfully? > >Thanks, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 16:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBILm6P08459; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031218145237.00a20100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:52:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: New York Guitar Festival 2004 In-Reply-To: <145.1eed37df.2d13253a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted Said, >Way to go Dre! -to which I can only reply, HELL YEAH!!! -and then Ted further spake- All of you folks back there within a 500 mile >radius owe it to yourselves to check out at least some >of it. -To which I further reply, -most definitely!, -sounds like a truly amazing show, -and, a native easterner myself, -show Dre a warm east-coast time for such a cold season of the year. Hell, just extend the holiday warmth for another month! -You'll be treating yourself and the performers will be glad ya did!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 12.17.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 16:54:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBILnJB08644; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: Subject: Fw: 512m Hitachi CFC Works! Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:49:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 21:49:13.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[C66C5410:01C3C5B0] Resent-Message-ID: <5obdfB.A.7GC.eDi4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This just surfaced on the repeater users list on yahoo groups. We spent some time discussion various cfc cards, controllers, ect. as they applied to the electrix repeater. Its probably the most common question from newbies on the list. So I think we've found a place to get cfc cards that will work perfectly in the repeater (based on recommendations from electrix, ect). I believe that you can get 32mc, 64mb, 128mb, and 256mb from that site as well. Jon > A few days ago I ordered a 512meg Hitachi CFC from: > > http://www.pretec.com/ > > I just got it and I have been testing it and I am thrilled to report > that it is working flawlessly. After a few hours of hard testing I > have not had it fail or give an error message at all. I recorded a > stereo track for about 4 minutes, reversed it and recorded a > second stereo track in overdub mode. No errors. Then I changed > the pitch and stretched it and still no errors. I'm not sure what > else to try, it seems to work perfectly. AND it's a 512meg card! > Here are the details on the card I bought... > > http://www.pretec.com/ > CompactFlash Hitachi SAH05 > $182 + $13.09 shipping = $195.09 > > Go to: > http://www.pretec.com/order.htm > > Then under "CompactFlash " click on "Hitachi Series". The card > is on the right. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 17:07:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIM5Lu12407; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:05:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031218220515.46983.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Mazzarella wrote: > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to > use with my > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell > wrote that he was > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I > might try to use it > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would > be is the Adrenalinn > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is > anybody else using the > Godlyke successfully? It's still working fine. Just make sure you use the red adaptor cable that comes with the Godlyke. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 17:28:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIMPRF15857; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031218222525.17897.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Mazzarella wrote: > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the > Godlyke successfully? Yeah, I got one recently. It works with all my pedals except a russian-made Big Muff. For some reason, when I plug that one in, the PowerAll shuts down (no power to any of the pedals). I emailed them about it and they suggested that perhaps the BigMuff had grounding issues. I've heard tales before about EH's poor quality control (esp on the ones made in Russia), so I tend to believe it. Other then that, the Godlyke has powered a handful of Boss, Akai, Ibanez, and Danelecro pedals just fine. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 17:41:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIMajL18003; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FE22F2A.51C86EB3@erols.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:50:18 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all References: <20031218220515.46983.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > --- John Mazzarella wrote: > > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to > > use with my > > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell > > wrote that he was > > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I > > might try to use it > > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would > > be is the Adrenalinn > > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is > > anybody else using the > > Godlyke successfully? > > It's still working fine. Just make sure you use the > red adaptor cable that comes with the Godlyke. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ Thanks for the info John, Excuse my ignorance in such matters, but the Adrenalinn is rated at 7.5 DC. The Godlyke is 9 volts. Does that just give the Adrenalinn some extra juice? I've had some problems with the Adrenalinn's audio cutting out. Someone suggested that giving it some extra juice would solve the problem becuase the cutting out is due to some occasional brown outs. Any thoughts on that? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 17:44:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIMfYj19165; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:41:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:41:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FE2304B.DE9BD914@erols.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:55:08 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all References: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> <1202.172.129.167.161.1071781157.squirrel@172.129.167.161> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Justin Fobes wrote: > John, > > do you use the Adrenalinn with an audio looper? If so, are they synced? > If so, how? I've been looking at the Adrenalinn and the EDP for a few > months now, and I'm on the fence. I just haven't met anyone who's doing > it. > > -Justin > http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com > > John Mazzarella wrote: > > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my > > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was > > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it > > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn > > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the > > Godlyke successfully? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > www.johnmazzarella.com > > > > Hi Justin, Yeah I use the Adrenalinn MIDI synced to the EDP. It works great, tremolos, delays, and filter/flanger sequence sync perfectly to any loops that you create on the fly. The adrenalinn is a big part of my live sound. If you live near New Jersey I play out quite frequently. I'm actually playing tomorrow night in Denville New Jersey at the Town Grind. Check the shows page of my website for the address. I'll be doing plenty of EDP/adrenalinn loopage. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 17:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIMiqZ19819; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031218222900.34765.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:53:10 -0800 To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Good News for RPTR users Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to say that the new Condor Electronics custom made RPTR power supply works flawlessly. Though I have'nt really done a true A/B comparison, they are definitely more robust and seem quieter. I know that its a lot to pay, but these are being hand built by the only US tech support company for the defunct Electrix. Just the fact that Pete Toms and crew went the extra mile is to me, worthy of support. And lets face it, do you really want to wait until your RPTR power supply goes down before thinking about replacing it? I don't. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 18:13:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBIN9tk25289; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:09:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:09:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:16:55 -0500 Subject: DD 20 vs RC 20 From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss rc 20 vs DD 20 >>by the way what is the minimum loop length? Well I can speak for the DD 20 - It's pretty short - as short as you can hit the switch twice -- I estimate at least 1/4 sec or less... But this is where they LAMED OUT... What's missing from the RC20 is a basic delay - even that little bit of time/vol adjustable delay in the Line 6 DL4 really makes such a huge difference.., had Boss put that into the RC20 it would rule. But - they want you to buy the DD20 - which is more akin to the DL4 - tones of delay types, one looper. Unlike the DL4 - you can go IMMEDIATELY to the looper from a delay preset. So - in the looping area ALONE - the DD20 lets you do: -amazingly short glitches -any loop time up to 23sec -overdub to the loop continually -play over the loop with any delay time up to 23 sec (basically a 2nd loop if your feedback is set correctly) BUT OF COURSE -The lame thing BOSS did was to prevent you from saving the loop - once you hit STOP, the loop is gone!! (of course - creative use of a volume pedal or a/b switch can juts pull the loop in/out - but dammit...! it's just a bummer that a company that makes so many great devices - has this endemic habit of doing that in their gear. -andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 18:23:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBINCXu25689; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:12:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:12:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> References: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:11:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my >pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was >using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it >with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn >still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the >Godlyke successfully? The Godlyke is simply amazing and I use it for everything, replacing pounds of useless gear with something that I can run on any current in Europe and the US. If it's 9V it'll do it and it does very well for my 6.5V DL-4 (with the correct cable which comes with it!) Strongest recommendation. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 18:37:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBINXPf28908; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:33:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:33:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c3c5bf$79a3a8e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20031218222525.17897.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:34:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.135.25] at Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:33:22 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Comrades - Russian Big Muff is stealth component in Soviet counter-music revolution. Discover of capability for "auto-power-off" is National Security issue. Readers of Loopers-Delight have been tagged and memory suppression teams are dispatched for mnemonic reprogramming. You have been warned. You can turn on, but we can turn you off. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all > > --- John Mazzarella wrote: > > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my > > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was > > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it > > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn > > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the > > Godlyke successfully? > > Yeah, I got one recently. It works with all my pedals except a russian-made Big > Muff. For some reason, when I plug that one in, the PowerAll shuts down (no power > to any of the pedals). I emailed them about it and they suggested that perhaps > the BigMuff had grounding issues. I've heard tales before about EH's poor quality > control (esp on the ones made in Russia), so I tend to believe it. Other then > that, the Godlyke has powered a handful of Boss, Akai, Ibanez, and Danelecro > pedals just fine. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 18:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBINktu30911; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Godlyke Power all In-Reply-To: <001501c3c5bf$79a3a8e0$0affff0a@hppav> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, David wrote: > Comrades - Russian Big Muff is stealth component in Soviet counter-music > revolution. Discover of capability for "auto-power-off" is National > Security issue. Readers of Loopers-Delight have been tagged and memory > suppression teams are dispatched for mnemonic reprogramming. You have been > warned. > > > You can turn on, but we can turn you off. > > :-) Oh yeah? Well loop THIS, comrade! :) http://swamp.web1000.com/weapons.html (I have no connection with the above site, but it's a good source for samples so I wanted to share) best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg House" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all > > > > > > --- John Mazzarella wrote: > > > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my > > > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was > > > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it > > > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn > > > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the > > > Godlyke successfully? > > > > Yeah, I got one recently. It works with all my pedals except a > russian-made Big > > Muff. For some reason, when I plug that one in, the PowerAll shuts down > (no power > > to any of the pedals). I emailed them about it and they suggested that > perhaps > > the BigMuff had grounding issues. I've heard tales before about EH's poor > quality > > control (esp on the ones made in Russia), so I tend to believe it. Other > then > > that, the Godlyke has powered a handful of Boss, Akai, Ibanez, and > Danelecro > > pedals just fine. > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 19:06:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJ03gQ02159; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:03:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:10:34 -0500 Subject: who here uses MIDI? From: andre To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200312182055.hBIKtsH30950@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Andy Morris [mailto:apmorris59@hotmail.com] > How many loopers here use MIDI? I don't know exactly how it works. It >may be > something I'd like to get acquainted with. Can anyone give me a brief >explanation or tell me what you do with MIDI yourself? Midi is so useful fro WHT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR... And that's it -and it's GREAT at that stuff - most of the major point were concisely covered by Cara (hey Cara!) I use it in looping gigs for : -program change - multi fx units, delays, synth patches -extensive control of the Digitech Dimension 12 - and almost totally ignored 24 sec looper , all controls can be done with simple MIDI prog-change. A unique idea -occ. triggering samples or synth from a GK-2A equipped axe -inputting and setting up simple 'sequence loops' on an old Roland MSQ 100 - great MIDI Looper - u can find these real cheap. Haven't dome it yet - but with tmy ELECTRIX stuff - you can save most or all of the knob movements as MIDI info!! - so - one can sequence a few minutes of knob twiddling on say - the filter factory - and apply it while performing new material.... Many people have ignored MIDI thru the 2 decades it's been extant - on the basis of the 'tracking problems' - that's a bummer - since it's only 1% of what you can do with it - It's simply a message protocol. The philosophy I'd love to see MORE OF is.. "Find what a technology can do musically and do it all. Then do some stuff it wasn't designed to do. Accept that every unit cant be like every other unit - and keep pushing for NEW STUFF to be invented." All these things CAN be concurrent..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 20:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJ15Nm10630; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c3c5cc$51560ce0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Godlyke Power all Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.140.59] at Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:05:18 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Godlyke Power all > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, David wrote: > > > Comrades - Russian Big Muff is stealth component in Soviet counter-music > > revolution. Discover of capability for "auto-power-off" is National > > Security issue. Readers of Loopers-Delight have been tagged and memory > > suppression teams are dispatched for mnemonic reprogramming. You have been > > warned. > > > > > > You can turn on, but we can turn you off. > > > > :-) > > Oh yeah? Well loop THIS, comrade! :) > > http://swamp.web1000.com/weapons.html > > (I have no connection with the above site, but it's a good source for > samples so I wanted to share) > > best, > Steve > Subscape Annex > http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg House" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all > > > > > > > > > > --- John Mazzarella wrote: > > > > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my > > > > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was > > > > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it > > > > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the Adrenalinn > > > > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the > > > > Godlyke successfully? > > > > > > Yeah, I got one recently. It works with all my pedals except a > > russian-made Big > > > Muff. For some reason, when I plug that one in, the PowerAll shuts down > > (no power > > > to any of the pedals). I emailed them about it and they suggested that > > perhaps > > > the BigMuff had grounding issues. I've heard tales before about EH's poor > > quality > > > control (esp on the ones made in Russia), so I tend to believe it. Other > > then > > > that, the Godlyke has powered a handful of Boss, Akai, Ibanez, and > > Danelecro > > > pedals just fine. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > -- > Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ > System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 20:33:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJ1VWe13709; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:31:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:31:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031218183602.009bd170@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:36:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: who here uses MIDI? In-Reply-To: References: <200312182055.hBIKtsH30950@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9BgFR.A.EWD.0Tl4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre!, Thanks for the shout out! -was just about to give ya one too, from yer' last post. lol! How ya doin'? Say hi to Don and Ike and the rest of the Proj for me if ya get a chance, K? Hey, ya know, one of these days we'll have to hook up and play a bit and do a little loopin' eh?! -Sorry we didn't get a chance to play at all while you guys were here, but perhaps the next go-round. I'll be in CT and NYC for the holidays/new years, and may be playing a bit, so feel free to e-mail or call if you'd like. -Hope you and yours are doing absolutely wonderfully! Happiest of holidays to ya. Smiles, Cara At 07:10 PM 12/18/03 -0500, you wrote: >> From: Andy Morris [mailto:apmorris59@hotmail.com] > >> How many loopers here use MIDI? I don't know exactly how it works. It >>may be > something I'd like to get acquainted with. Can anyone give me a brief >>explanation or tell me what you do with MIDI yourself? > >Midi is so useful fro WHT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR... And that's it -and it's >GREAT at that stuff - most of the major point were concisely covered by Cara >(hey Cara!) > >I use it in looping gigs for : > >-program change - multi fx units, delays, synth patches >-extensive control of the Digitech Dimension 12 - and almost totally ignored >24 sec looper , all controls can be done with simple MIDI prog-change. A >unique idea >-occ. triggering samples or synth from a GK-2A equipped axe >-inputting and setting up simple 'sequence loops' on an old Roland MSQ 100 - >great MIDI Looper - u can find these real cheap. > >Haven't dome it yet - but with tmy ELECTRIX stuff - you can save most or all >of the knob movements as MIDI info!! - so - one can sequence a few minutes >of knob twiddling on say - the filter factory - and apply it while >performing new material.... > >Many people have ignored MIDI thru the 2 decades it's been extant - on the >basis of the 'tracking problems' - that's a bummer - since it's only 1% of >what you can do with it - It's simply a message protocol. > >The philosophy I'd love to see MORE OF is.. "Find what a technology can do >musically and do it all. Then do some stuff it wasn't designed to do. Accept >that every unit cant be like every other unit - and keep pushing for NEW >STUFF to be invented." All these things CAN be concurrent..... > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 12.17.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 18 21:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJ221319323; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:02:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:02:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031218190634.009bb650@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:06:34 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: LAST MINUTE GIG SPAM! -Boulder CO Sat. 12.20.03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <1Hhp_C.A.ttE.Ywl4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey All, sorry about the last minute posting, but I just found out that rather than the 22nd, I'll be playing this Sat, the 20th, so wanted to post to let y'all know. So, our project is Mae Hong Sun, which is myself on GTR and strange loopocity, along with Chris Filben on bass and devices with loopage also, and possibly, as before, a special guest to be announced, or just seen rather, the night of the show! lol! We'll see... We'll be playing what we lovingly call ethno-ambient sound worlds, which combine rhythmic, textural, melodic and instrumental ideas from various cultures with a nice dose of glitch and just plain old GROOVACIOUSNESS to create some pretty cool music, if we do say so ourselves. lol! -Actually, others have said it, so heck, I can too. lol! -but hey!, you be the judge. come and check us out. WE'd sure love to have ya. The show is at 7 PM 'til about 8:30 ish. I believe there's a suggested donation of $5, but not sure. We'll be playing at the Cafe Prasad, at the Boulder Co-op, which is at 1905 Pearl Street in Boulder CO. -Would love to see ya there, and if you've any questions, feel free to e-mail myself, or maehongsun@msn.com Have a wonderful evening, and -catch ya at the show!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 12.17.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 02:10:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJ77mT29027; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031219070741.79408.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3FE22F2A.51C86EB3@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7OTD1D.A.cFH.EPq4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Mazzarella wrote: > > Thanks for the info John, > Excuse my ignorance in such matters, but the > Adrenalinn is rated at > 7.5 DC. The Godlyke is 9 volts. Does that just > give the Adrenalinn > some extra juice? I've had some problems with the > Adrenalinn's audio > cutting out. Someone suggested that giving it some > extra juice would > solve the problem becuase the cutting out is due to > some occasional > brown outs. Any thoughts on that? The on-line manual for the Adrenalinn II states that you can use any PS that provides 7.5 to 10 volts DC, is rated at at least 500ma, & is center pin positive. The Godlyke provides 9 volts DC & is rated well above 500ma. I can't remember, it's either 1.6 or 1.7 amps. The provided red adapter takes care of the reverse polarity. I'm using the original Adrenalinn & the Godlyke works like a charm. The hardest part about using the Godlyke is tracking down the power ratings for the various boxes you want it to power. It might be printed on the equipment, in the manual, or on the company's website. It might even require an email to customer support. Sometimes the company throws you a curve by providing an AC power supply for a unit that actually operates on DC. This was the case with my Line6 DL-4 & ART X-15. Once you determine you can use 9v DC power, you need to know if the center pin is + or -. If center is positive, you need an adapter between the device & the Godlyke. The Godlyke comes with a good assortment & you can order extras if you need them. You will also want to know how many ma are REQUIRED to operate the device. You want the Godlyke to remove as many wall-warts as possible without starting to smell funny. If you have a lot of stuff that can be used with the Godlyke, you might want to maintain a data base that lists all of the power info & even put some color coded sticky labels on your equipment to indicate if an adapter is needed. I've already bought a 2nd Godlyke. The one in my rack powers my Oberheim Drummer, Adrenalinn, JKJ CV-5, & Roland GI-10. The one on the floor handles an assortment of Boss & Dano pedals as well as the X-15, DL-4, & a Roland PK-5. How many tons of wall-warts is that? :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 06:56:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJBrEk30812; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:53:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:53:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3035.172.140.105.169.1071834797.squirrel@172.140.105.169> In-Reply-To: <3FE2304B.DE9BD914@erols.com> References: <3FE211A7.3922C06B@erols.com> <1202.172.129.167.161.1071781157.squirrel@172.129.167.161> <3FE2304B.DE9BD914@erols.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:53:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Godlyke Power all From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8ogxND.A.VhH.qau4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, Got any live recordings? My schedule usually keeps me pretty close to Birmingham, AL these days. Also, the two bottom MP3's won't download from your SONGS page on your site, but I liked Orbit: "The Requested Site is either unavailable, or cannot be found." Lemmie know, I wanna hear! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com John Mazzarella wrote: > > > Justin Fobes wrote: > >> John, >> >> do you use the Adrenalinn with an audio looper? If so, are they synced? >> If so, how? I've been looking at the Adrenalinn and the EDP for a few >> months now, and I'm on the fence. I just haven't met anyone who's doing >> it. >> >> -Justin >> http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com >> >> John Mazzarella wrote: >> > I just ordered the Godlyke power all power supply to use with my >> > pedals. Some time ago, I believe that John Tidwell wrote that he was >> > using his with an Adrenalinn, with no problem. I might try to use it >> > with my Adrenalinn. So the question to John would be is the >> Adrenalinn >> > still working well with the Godlyke? Also, is anybody else using the >> > Godlyke successfully? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > John >> > www.johnmazzarella.com >> > >> > > > Hi Justin, > Yeah I use the Adrenalinn MIDI synced to the EDP. It works great, > tremolos, delays, and filter/flanger sequence sync perfectly to any loops > that you create on the fly. The adrenalinn is a big part of my live > sound. > If you live near New Jersey I play out quite frequently. I'm actually > playing tomorrow night in Denville New Jersey at the Town Grind. Check > the > shows page of my website for the address. I'll be doing plenty of > EDP/adrenalinn loopage. > > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 07:14:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJCCZe02228; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:12:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:12:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1071835946!5939326 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DF1@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: External clock for Line 6 dl-4?? Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:05:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3C628.5F7D1410" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C628.5F7D1410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I went through the first 95% of the work to build a little midi clock -->tap tempo converter.......As far as off the shelf stuff, I don't know of anything right now.<< jon's right- the bits are easy enough to get hold of to do this, and the last 5% of making it work is definitely the daunting part. but what I wanted to do, and specifically in response to posts on this list, was come up with something that would be fairly easy to implement by anyone with a dl4 that they didn't mind "customising" a bit, with a small drill and a soldering iron, and spending a few $$ on a little box to live near it. I found midi>clock pulse converters on e-bay, ready-built, for about $50 or so. what I intend to do is reverse-engineer one of these and add a counter to further divide the pulse rate. there'd be an adjustment possible here for beats/bar. I'd probably use an opto-isolator to get these pulses into the dl4 (or anything else that needs tap-tempo, like the vortex or this dod dimension12 thing I was going to write a new review of...). the whole thing would be the size of a cigarette pack and possibly midi-line powered.... as with most of us, I suspect, I haven't had the time to deal with this yet. I work full-time, and I spend a lot of my spare time and money on my band- buying gear, prepping for gigs, editing albums, preparing artwork and so forth. but my own guitarist has been banging on about this mod again lately, so maybe I'll knuckle down and do it over the "holiday". d./r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I went through the first 95% of the work to build= a little midi clock -->tap tempo converter.......As far as off the shel= f stuff, I don't know of anything right now.<<

jon's right- the bits are easy enough to get hold of to d= o this, and the last 5% of making it work is definitely the daunting part. =

but what I wanted to do, and specifically in response to = posts on this list, was come up with something that would be fairly easy to= implement by anyone with a dl4 that they didn't mind "customising&quo= t; a bit, with a small drill and a soldering iron, and spending a few $$ on= a little box to live near it.

I found midi>clock pulse converters on e-bay, ready-bu= ilt, for about $50 or so. what I intend to do is reverse-engineer one of th= ese and add a counter to further divide the pulse rate. there'd be an adjus= tment possible here for beats/bar.  I'd probably use an opto-isolator = to get these pulses into the dl4 (or anything else that needs tap-tempo, li= ke the vortex or this dod dimension12 thing I was going to write a new revi= ew of...). the whole thing would be the size of a cigarette pack and possib= ly midi-line powered....

as with most of us, I suspect, I haven't had the time to = deal with this yet. I work full-time, and I spend a lot of my spare time an= d money on my band- buying gear, prepping for gigs, editing albums, prepari= ng artwork and so forth. but my own guitarist has been banging on about thi= s mod again lately, so maybe I'll knuckle down and do it over the "hol= iday".

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C628.5F7D1410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 08:25:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJDNO212965; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Godlyke Power all Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Godlyke Power all Thread-Index: AcPF/w4CI8puf1c4SI+1c+Q4VGwcMQANDrCQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 13:24:49.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A917290:01C3C633] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBJDNNd12935 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've already bought a 2nd Godlyke. The one in my rack > powers my Oberheim Drummer, Adrenalinn, JKJ CV-5, & > Roland GI-10. The one on the floor handles an > assortment of Boss & Dano pedals as well as the X-15, > DL-4, & a Roland PK-5. How many tons of wall-warts > is that? :) Hold the phone! At first, these looked like they were strictly for battery operated stuff. I have a GI-20, an XV-2020, and two VF-1 processors (all Roland/Boss) in my rack. Do you mean to tell me that I could get ONE of these Godlyke thingys and power all of them? Xanadu! Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 08:40:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJDckw14756; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031219133839.53183.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Godlyke Power all To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > > I've already bought a 2nd Godlyke. The one in my > rack > > powers my Oberheim Drummer, Adrenalinn, JKJ CV-5, > & > > Roland GI-10. The one on the floor handles an > > assortment of Boss & Dano pedals as well as the > X-15, > > DL-4, & a Roland PK-5. How many tons of wall-warts > > is that? :) > > Hold the phone! At first, these looked like they > were > strictly for battery operated stuff. I have a GI-20, > an > XV-2020, and two VF-1 processors (all Roland/Boss) > in > my rack. Do you mean to tell me that I could get ONE > of > these Godlyke thingys and power all of them? If they operate on 9v DC & don't exceed the 1.7 amp rating of the Godlyke & they don't have some really odd barrel connector that the Godlyke can't adapt to, .....yes. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 10:05:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJF2CE27317; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:02:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:02:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:01:22 -0500 Subject: Power supply with AC voltage? From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031219133839.53183.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, All this talk of the Godlyke Power All got me thinking about whether there is an AC version or something similar out there. I've got several pedals that require AC voltage and it sure would be nice to replace those wall warts with one power supply. My Digitech PMC 10 and Yamaha DG stomp both use AC wall warts. I may reveal my ignorance here but I assume you can't use DC voltage when AC is required, is this correct? Any help will be much appreciated! Happy holidays! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 11:14:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJGBYx03751; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c3c64a$7d6a3da0$f7635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #352 for December 18, 2003 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:09:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C3C620.8727EE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C3C620.8727EE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #352 December 18, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on James Johnson, a = Chicago area ambient master. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Echoes" on AtmoWorks. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vapor Drawings" by Mark Isham on = Windham Hill Records. James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Mark Isham On the Threshold of Vapor Drawings (Windham = Hill) Liberty Ministry of Inside Prelude Everlasting Moment = (Synkronos) Things MoIT VM-75 Everlasting Moment = (Synkronos) Jean-Pierre Saccomani & Equilibre inerte en Equilibre thermique de = l'igloo Jean-Luc H. Berthelot mouvement perpetuel on phase de fonte = (SIT) John Duval River of Fear Hell's Canyon = (Hypnos/Binary) ARC Sparked Blaze (DiN) Radio Massacre I knew we were in Solid States (Northern = Echo) International trouble when they taught the machines to talk 12:00 am James Johnson Echoes Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Rosetta Bloom Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Eastern Haze Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson A Subtle Conjuring Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Mandala Wave Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Samadhi Echoes (AtmoWorks) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on James Johnson. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Butterfly Chamber" on Hypnos. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and = Bebe Barron on Planet Records/MGM. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C3C620.8727EE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, = and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
            =    =20     Show #352       =20             December 18, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on James = Johnson,=20 a Chicago area
ambient master.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Echoes"=20 on AtmoWorks.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vapor Drawings" by Mark Isham on = Windham
Hill Records.
 
James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Mark=20 Isham           &n= bsp; =20 On the Threshold of      Vapor Drawings = (Windham=20 Hill)
          &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 Liberty
Ministry of Inside     =20 Prelude           =       =20 Everlasting Moment (Synkronos)
 =20 Things
MoIT          = ;         =20 VM-75           &n= bsp;       =20 Everlasting Moment (Synkronos)
Jean-Pierre Saccomani & Equilibre = inerte=20 en      Equilibre thermique de = l'igloo
 =20 Jean-Luc H. Berthelot   mouvement=20 perpetuel      on phase de fonte (SIT)
John=20 Duval           &n= bsp; =20 River of = Fear           =20 Hell's Canyon=20 (Hypnos/Binary)
ARC        &nb= sp;           =20 Sparked           =       =20 Blaze (DiN)
Radio=20 Massacre          I knew we = were=20 in        Solid States (Northern=20 Echo)
 =20 International          = =20 trouble when they taught the machines to talk
 
12:00 am
James=20 Johnson          =20 Echoes           &= nbsp;      =20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Rosetta=20 Bloom            = Echoes=20 (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Eastern=20 Haze           &nb= sp;=20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           A = Subtle=20 Conjuring       Echoes = (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Mandala=20 Wave           &nb= sp;=20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson          =20 Samadhi           =       =20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long = focus on=20 James Johnson.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "The = Butterfly=20 Chamber" on Hypnos.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis = and=20 Bebe
Barron on Planet Records/MGM.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C3C620.8727EE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 12:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJH53711820; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:05:10 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Problem/ticking sound To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <011c01c3c652$42ab0cf0$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <19256680.1071616107382.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just started fiddling with my new RC-20... no noticeable click when tempo pot is all the way down... Maybe your pot is a bit worn... spray some contact shield in it, or change it. I noticed there was no real off switch for the tempo. Only the pot. I looked for a way to shut the tempo lights off and there doesn't seem to be any. So if the pot for some reason stops working right, you might still have some signal getting through when it's turned all the way down. Also, for those who said they were having a hard time punching in the loop on time, now that I had a chance to play with it awhile, with no problem, may I suggest this... Don't try to write a phrase and punch it in... that indeed proves near impossible to synch. Instead play back "into" the phrase and punch as you play... works like a charm time/tempo wise... The other thing, yes, these pedals are like all other BOSS pedals, meaning you can remove the cover on them and directly access the switch without the spring resistance getting in the way. So instead of a hard foot bang on the switch, just give it a light swipe. I'm going to fit rubber knobs I can hollow out to slip snug on the switch. The RC-20 is night and day compared to the Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay I used to have ages ago... writing loop de loops with this thing, punchin in overdubs when your lick is ready, and ending up with near perfect multi-lines looping is amazin to me... I'm having so much fun... a real idiot. :) RC www.remyc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Boss RC-20 Problem I've noticed something annoying with my Boss RC-20 and i was wondering if other Loopers had the same problem with their units. In a nutshell, even though the Guide/Metronome volume is turned down as far as it will go, an audible 'ticking' can be heard (more prominant when in Record and Overdub modes, though it can be faintly heard in Playback too), that is in time with the guide beat when i'm playing back loops. To my ears, it sounds like the Guide signal is somehow 'bleeding' into my loops and the ticking is in fact some sort of interferance. How anyway else come accross this problem before? Gareth Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save Ł7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 12:30:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJHPNL13993; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1071854441!5952787 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DF9@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Power supply with AC voltage? Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:13:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3C653.7D3757B0" Resent-Message-ID: <3442sC.A.haD.DSz4_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C653.7D3757B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I may reveal my ignorance here but I assume you can't use DC voltage when AC is required, is this correct?<< nearly everything I've seen that claims to need AC will subsequently rectify this to dc and regulate it internally. one notable exception is the alesis mmt8.... this does two different things with the 9V ac; there's the usual 5V regulator but it also has a higher rail derived from the 9V that I didn't get to the bottom of. I now run it off a small 9V toroidal that's fitted inside an alesis synth module; this transformer has a split-primary in oredr to run off 110V or 220V. if you think about, the ac input thing is just a way for the manufacturer to avoid having to produce two flavours of box for 110V and 220V use, or fit a switch in a split-primary that some user will one day forget to adjust correctly and possibly fry some delicate electronics because, let's face it, fuses are just not fast enough to prevent some smoke getting out. and as we know, smoke is what makes stuff work. let the smoke out of anything and it's broken.... the reverse is not the case, though. if it says it wants dc, dc is all that will work, and it has to be the right way up. lots of gear is fitted with a simple diode to protect against polarity reversal, but you could damage the power supply itself. all my wall-wart stuff (including things like effects units and, yes, a GI-10) now runs from a laptop supply that kicks out about 2 amps or so at 15V. the particular model I use also has 5V and -15V outputs so I can run a real mixture of stuff. obviously, this puts me in custom-rig land, and you'd really have to be confident with soldering and so forth to emulate this set-up. the other benefits of the laptop psu are that it's quite small and doesn't buzz or get hot, and it runs off anything between 80V and 300V the outputs are so smooth that I can distribute them over the spare wires in my midi cables. this works fine and I have gigged with this set-up several times with no glitches. d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>I may reveal my ignorance here but I assume you c= an't
use DC voltage when AC is required, is this correct?<= <

nearly everything I've seen that claims to need AC will s= ubsequently rectify this to dc and regulate it internally. one notable exce= ption is the alesis mmt8.... this does two different things with the 9V ac;= there's the usual 5V regulator but it also has a higher rail derived from = the 9V that I didn't get to the bottom of. I now run it off a small 9V toro= idal that's fitted inside an alesis synth module; this transformer has a sp= lit-primary in oredr to run off 110V or 220V.

 
if you think about, the ac input thing is just a way for= the manufacturer to avoid having to produce two flavours of box for 110V a= nd 220V use, or fit a switch in a split-primary that some user will one day= forget to adjust correctly and possibly fry some delicate electronics beca= use, let's face it, fuses are just not fast enough to prevent some smoke ge= tting out. and as we know, smoke is what makes stuff work. let the smoke ou= t of anything and it's broken....

the reverse is not the case, though. if it says it wants = dc, dc is all that will work, and it has to be the right way up. lots of ge= ar is fitted with a simple diode to protect against polarity reversal, but = you could damage the power supply itself.

all my wall-wart stuff (including things like effects uni= ts and, yes, a GI-10) now runs from a laptop supply that kicks out about 2 = amps or so at 15V. the particular model I use also has 5V and -15V outputs = so I can run a real mixture of stuff. obviously, this puts me in custom-rig= land, and you'd really have to be confident with soldering and so forth to= emulate this set-up. the other benefits of the laptop psu are that it's qu= ite small and doesn't buzz or get hot, and it runs off anything between 80V= and 300V the outputs are so smooth that I can distribute them over the spa= re wires in my midi cables. this works fine and I have gigged with this set= -up several times with no glitches.

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C653.7D3757B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 12:30:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJHQTe14099; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:26:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: HsAcNoStEtN signing off... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i'm signing off. thanks to all who've helped/given advice/listened for my various projects... hard to believe when i first stumbled on this site 3 yrs ago, all i had was a yamaha digital delay that gave me 1.2 sec of delay. ah, progress, on a budget for me at least.... good bye and good luck to all.... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 12:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJHmT216703; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c3c658$74ae2f60$18a2a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <013701c3c64a$7d6a3da0$f7635cd1@billfox> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #352 for December 18, 2003 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:49:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C62E.8B4A3F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.162.24] at Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:48:26 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C62E.8B4A3F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill -=20 Vapor Drawings was always, and still is, a very important piece of music = to my life. I'm glad to know it's still getting a spin here and there. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Fox=20 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #352 for December 18, 2003 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #352 December 18, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on James Johnson, a = Chicago area ambient master. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Echoes" on = AtmoWorks. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vapor Drawings" by Mark Isham on = Windham Hill Records. James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Mark Isham On the Threshold of Vapor Drawings = (Windham Hill) Liberty Ministry of Inside Prelude Everlasting Moment = (Synkronos) Things MoIT VM-75 Everlasting Moment = (Synkronos) Jean-Pierre Saccomani & Equilibre inerte en Equilibre thermique = de l'igloo Jean-Luc H. Berthelot mouvement perpetuel on phase de fonte = (SIT) John Duval River of Fear Hell's Canyon = (Hypnos/Binary) ARC Sparked Blaze (DiN) Radio Massacre I knew we were in Solid States = (Northern Echo) International trouble when they taught the machines to = talk 12:00 am James Johnson Echoes Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Rosetta Bloom Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Eastern Haze Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson A Subtle Conjuring Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Mandala Wave Echoes (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Samadhi Echoes (AtmoWorks) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on James = Johnson. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Butterfly Chamber" on Hypnos. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and = Bebe Barron on Planet Records/MGM. Bill = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM = in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and = click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C62E.8B4A3F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill -
 
Vapor Drawings was always, and still = is, a very=20 important piece of music to my life.  I'm glad to know it's still = getting a=20 spin here and there.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Fox
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 = 11:09=20 AM
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #352 = for=20 December 18, 2003

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric = Cable, and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
           =20         Show #352   =20             =    =20 December 18, 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on James = Johnson, a Chicago area
ambient master.  The Featured CD at = Midnight=20 was "Echoes" on AtmoWorks.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vapor Drawings" by Mark Isham = on=20 Windham
Hill Records.
 
James Johnson - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#dec
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
=
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 = TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Mark=20 = Isham           &n= bsp; =20 On the Threshold of      Vapor Drawings = (Windham=20 = Hill)
          &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 Liberty
Ministry of Inside     =20 = Prelude           =       =20 Everlasting Moment (Synkronos)
 =20 = Things
MoIT          = ;         =20 = VM-75           &n= bsp;       =20 Everlasting Moment (Synkronos)
Jean-Pierre Saccomani & = Equilibre inerte=20 en      Equilibre thermique de = l'igloo
 =20 Jean-Luc H. Berthelot   mouvement=20 perpetuel      on phase de fonte = (SIT)
John=20 = Duval           &n= bsp; =20 River of=20 Fear            = Hell's=20 Canyon=20 = (Hypnos/Binary)
ARC        &nb= sp;           =20 = Sparked           =       =20 Blaze (DiN)
Radio=20 Massacre          I knew = we were=20 in        Solid States (Northern=20 Echo)
 =20 = International          = =20 trouble when they taught the machines to talk
 
12:00 am
James=20 Johnson          =20 = Echoes           &= nbsp;      =20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Rosetta=20 = Bloom            = Echoes=20 (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Eastern=20 = Haze           &nb= sp;=20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           A = Subtle=20 Conjuring       Echoes = (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson           = Mandala=20 = Wave           &nb= sp;=20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
James=20 Johnson          =20 = Samadhi           =       =20 Echoes (AtmoWorks)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance=20 CDR from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the = month-long focus=20 on James Johnson.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "The = Butterfly=20 Chamber" on Hypnos.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis = and=20 Bebe
Barron on Planet Records/MGM.
 
=
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C62E.8B4A3F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 16:25:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJLIkG13787; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fb01c3c675$75a189e0$f9645cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <013701c3c64a$7d6a3da0$f7635cd1@billfox> <001401c3c658$74ae2f60$18a2a344@hppav> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #352 for December 18, 2003 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:17:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-HnNN.A.TXD.2s24_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" Bill - Vapor Drawings was always, and still is, a very important piece of music to my life. I'm glad to know it's still getting a spin here and there. =========== It's funny that I should get a comment on my playlist on the first time after Kim corrected me for using the old address for... how long? Strange that I didn't see my own post, though... Thanks, David, for the nice comment. Now that I know tings are working again, I'll have to dig through the library for things LD members have sent over the years and start spinning them again! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 17:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBJMlD026082; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.34.50.230] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DD 20 vs RC 20 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:47:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 22:47:07.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[0794DB70:01C3C682] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can the dd-20 overdub? >From: Andre Cholmondeley >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: DD 20 vs RC 20 >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:16:55 -0500 > >Subject: Re: boss rc 20 vs DD 20 > > >>by the way what is the minimum loop length? > >Well I can speak for the DD 20 - It's pretty short - as short as you can >hit >the switch twice -- I estimate at least 1/4 sec or less... > >But this is where they LAMED OUT... What's missing from the RC20 is a basic >delay - even that little bit of time/vol adjustable delay in the Line 6 DL4 >really makes such a huge difference.., had Boss put that into the RC20 it >would rule. But - they want you to buy the DD20 - which is more akin to the >DL4 - tones of delay types, one looper. Unlike the DL4 - you can go >IMMEDIATELY to the looper from a delay preset. > >So - in the looping area ALONE - the DD20 lets you do: > >-amazingly short glitches >-any loop time up to 23sec >-overdub to the loop continually >-play over the loop with any delay time up to 23 sec >(basically a 2nd loop if your feedback is set correctly) > >BUT OF COURSE -The lame thing BOSS did was to prevent you from saving the >loop - once you hit STOP, the loop is gone!! (of course - creative use of a >volume pedal or a/b switch can juts pull the loop in/out - but dammit...! >it's just a bummer that a company that makes so many great devices - has >this endemic habit of doing that in their gear. > >-andre' > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 19:25:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBK0NDJ06369; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:23:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:23:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: Midi Looping (was: who here uses MIDI?) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:23:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, (I wrote the email below before remembering to check the list archive. So I've added some changes into it as I read through the archive, so it might be kinda jumbled.) I've recently got into playing my midi guitar (strat with Roland GK-2A and GR-33 module) and the part I love is that I can switch sounds very quickly, from bass to pitched bell to helicopter. The part I don't like is the just-barely-perceptable delay between hitting a note and hearing the sound. I usually mix the actual guitar sound in with the synth sound so that there's something making sound immediately, which seems to make the synth delay easier on the ears. I'd love to get a Starr labs guitar controller some day when I can afford one. In the meantime, I've been looking at the Yamaha EZ-EG training guitar, which is all midi with buttons on each fret and six metal bars for strings ala some of the Starr labs controllers. I played it once and it was surprisingly responsive. The best thing is it's only $300. Anyone out there tried it out for real? I'd like to find (or buid myself if necessary) some midi looping software, since I'd like to lay down different loops of different lengths with my midi guitar while I play along with a couple percussionists. I might make it a part of the tempo-tracking software I spammed you all about a few weeks ago, or I might keep it separate - not sure yet what makes most sense. Is there midi-looping software out there that anyone's tried? I found "Smart Monkey MIDI" which says it does live midi looping, but I haven't tried it out yet. I saw the archive post that mentioned Numerology, so I checked with the Numerology people and they don't do looping, but hope to add it in the future. They mentioned that MOTU DP does live midi looping, but offered no details. Anyone tried DP for looping. I'd like to find (or build) something with features along these lines: - multiple loop cycles going at once, e.g. 4, 8, 16 and 32 beat cycles. These would be defaults, with other values easily set. Easy switching between cycles to choose which one you want to record into. - ability to record a loop/passage without the contstraints of a set cycle length on the fly, and have a new cycle (or somesuch) added as appropriate, or the new loop/passage added to the most appropriate cycle by default (e.g. if you hit record, then play a 7 beat phrase, then hit stop-record, the looper automatically adds what you played to an 8-beat cycle loop). - midi trigger to toggle between loops/cycles and add new playing to the loop, or disable/enable - option for all enable/disable actions to be delayed to take effect on the next cycle onset, ala Ableton Live. e.g. you press a loop-enable trigger for the 4-beat loop when you're at the 5th beat of an overall 32-beat cycle, and the 4-beat loop waits to toggle its state until beat 9. - automatic harmony/key adjustment for all melodic loops. Enter a key/harmony progression (possibly with # of beats for each key/harmony) and the looper will transpose each melodic loop when the change comes. Would be nice if the key/harmony change could be triggered manually, so I could jam and improv in each harmony until I wanted to change. Better yet, how about if there were some key/harmony values that only changed when a trigger is activated, and some that can be designated to last only a certain # of beats. The latter type could be used for regular chorus or changes or breaks that will always have the same duration. - ability to group different loop cycles for easy management and designation of options that effect all members of the group. e.g. a group could have one loop of each 4, 8, 16, 32 beats and could be easily enabled/disabled. - ability for a group of loops (or individual loops) to activate only in certain keys/harmonies. So, you could setup different sections of loops that would automatically toggle on/off as you changed key/harmony. - ability to record all loops and all control/state changes so that a performance could be precisely reproduced. - ability to write out whole performance as midi file, or individual loops or loop groups to a midi file Phew! I realize now this is looking like a kind of live/interactive composition tool as well as a performance tool. Any ideas of midi looping software that can do this? I'd rather not have to program it myself, because frankly I'm completely sick of programming. But I think I will do it anyway if I can't find something good enough, since I'm excited to play around with this accompanied by live percussion. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 19 19:26:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBK0OFp06489; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1490.172.202.250.167.1071879856.squirrel@172.202.250.167> In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DF1@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DF1@LON-MAIL07> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:24:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: External clock for Line 6 dl-4?? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It could change my entire life. If there's anything I could do to help, count me in. -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>>I went through the first 95% of the work to build a little midi clock >>> -->tap tempo converter.......As far as off the shelf stuff, I don't know >>> of anything right now.<< > > jon's right- the bits are easy enough to get hold of to do this, and the > last 5% of making it work is definitely the daunting part. > but what I wanted to do, and specifically in response to posts on this > list, was come up with something that would be fairly easy to implement by > anyone with a dl4 that they didn't mind "customising" a bit, with a small > drill and a soldering iron, and spending a few $$ on a little box to live > near it. > I found midi>clock pulse converters on e-bay, ready-built, for about $50 > or so. what I intend to do is reverse-engineer one of these and add a > counter to further divide the pulse rate. there'd be an adjustment > possible here for beats/bar. I'd probably use an opto-isolator to get > these pulses into the dl4 (or anything else that needs tap-tempo, like the > vortex or this dod dimension12 thing I was going to write a new review > of...). the whole thing would be the size of a cigarette pack and possibly > midi-line powered.... > > as with most of us, I suspect, I haven't had the time to deal with this > yet. I work full-time, and I spend a lot of my spare time and money on my > band- buying gear, prepping for gigs, editing albums, preparing artwork > and so forth. but my own guitarist has been banging on about this mod > again lately, so maybe I'll knuckle down and do it over the "holiday". > > d./r.m.i. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 20 00:47:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBK5j7C16190; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:45:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:45:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031220054501.41965.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Some More Power Supply Info To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are a couple of sites that I found useful when trying to figure out what I could hook up to the Godlyke PS. This one gives the current draw info on Boss products. http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/en/ I felt like I had struck gold when I found this one. http://members01.chello.se/pastorn/fx/mods/power.htm John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 20 04:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBK9A2S23339; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:10:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi Looping (was: who here uses MIDI?) X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, > Any ideas of midi looping software that can do this? It's not really primarily a looping tool but you might want to check out the 'listening voice' capabilities of SSEYO's KoanPro generative music software (www.sseyo.com). It could be set up to do many of the things you want although not all interactively. In any case it's great software although sadly not being developed any more. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 20 13:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBKIEmi25561; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2979EA86-3318-11D8-A27A-000A95E567E4@gis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Sullivan Subject: Godlyke vs 1 spot Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:13:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Rcpt-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A cheaper alternative to the Godlyke adaptor is the Visual Sound 1 spot (in fact if you read there web site, they claim godlyke appropriated the comcept from them). Musicians friend sells the 1 spot plus a 5 jack daisy chain for $25. Additional adaptors (barrrel plug for older digitech-type pedals (works great on my pds 8000), and line 6 plugs are only $2.50 each. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 11:49:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBLGkv601763; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:47:06 -0500 From: RemyC Subject: freshsensation To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <006301c3c7e2$11c16850$b6705643@elfmaster> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.freshsensation.com/samorost.swf Flash file via: Namaste Ruth Jüling, Berlin, Germany RuthJueling@ web.de Interesting all the subtle changes... like watching nature through your computer screen... Rem From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 12:27:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBLHOoI11892; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 21 Dec 2003 17:24:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jessethom@canada.com Subject: The Big Choice X-Sent-From: jessethom@canada.com Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.6.0-2_sol28 Message-Id: <20031221092448.848.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's up everyone?! I could really use the advice of some knowledgable, experienced loopers. I'm new to looping, and I'm trying to decide what pedal to buy based on my intended purpose, which from what I can tell from reading hundreds of reviews (man my eyes are sore) is a purpose that is not that typical. So here is the information I think someone would need to help me out with my choice of pedal: 1) It would be for live use (as opposed to studio) 2) Using a small mixer, I'm basically going to be performing as a one-man-band, building my songs up from the ground by way of looping (drums first, then bass, then piano etc.....about 4-5 total layers on the loop when I'm done constructing it). Then I pick up an acoustic guitar and play/sing along to my loop, then move on to the next song etc. 3) My songs consist of relatively short loops (ie: similar to hip hop), so I would sample a couple of bars of drums (20 seconds tops), then add the "riffs" overtop. I've basically narrowed it down to either the Echoplex, or the Boomerang, which are quite different in price, as you're all fully aware. If the Boomerang can satisfy my needs, please let me know. However there are two issues surrounding the Boomerang that I've seen in user reivews that I'd love to have confirmed or denied: 1) People complain that as you stack layers, the layers at the bottom of the stack become quieter to compensate for the new layers. In my case, the bottom layer would be the drums which I definetely do not want diminishing, since it's the foundation. Is there truth to this or are people just not setting their decay to "no decay"? Also, I'm only stacking 4-5 instruments, so could it be that these people are talking about loss of initial layers when they've added their 20th layer or something? 2) People compain about the sound quality. It's for live shows, so I'm not too concerned about EQ problems, but is there going to be a general "muddyness" happening if I'm layering thick instruments like the drums, bass, and piano together? As far as I can tell, the biggest plus for getting the Echoplex for live shows is that there is an "undo" function, and it seems easier to get your timing right by playing to a click track or something. For the money I save with the Boomerang, I figure I can just practice really hard until I'm consistent enough to not need these functions. Can someone PLEASE let me know which of these pedals is better for this one-man-band silliness (Or, if I've got it all wrong and there's another pedal that's better) ? I've been very giving to people in general for the past couple of weeks so that you'll all pick up on my good karma, forgive me for the excessively-long email, and offer me any advice you might have....my livlihood pretty much depends on it! Thanks so much for your time guys. Try and look at Christmas in a new way this year, -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 12:47:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBLHhtM17066; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:43:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:43:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.190.172 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The Big Choice Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3c7e9$ffdac2a0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031221092448.848.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hBLHhsd17042 Resent-Message-ID: <5InkdB.A.hKE.bvd5_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the EDP and have experimented with some of the 'one man band' ideas you mentioned (I imagine a few others have too). I find you can muddy up the signal with the EDP so, apparently less can be more or better with the EDP. you do need to experiment a bit regarding looping devices I like trippy synth effect so I also use the EDP with a TC Fireworx this can really get muddy with to many Overdubs. I guess if you can manage the price go with the EDP just do bear in mind that there is a bigger learning curve with the EDP but, it is worth it. Use a Mixer with an effects loop for sure that's an investment you won't regret if you get an EDP. I have a rack mounted mixer for this now I was using the inexpensive Behringer MX802 for a while but, decided I prefered rack mount. -----Original Message----- From: jessethom@canada.com [mailto:jessethom@canada.com] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Big Choice What's up everyone?! I could really use the advice of some knowledgable, experienced loopers. I'm new to looping, and I'm trying to decide what pedal to buy based on my intended purpose, which from what I can tell from reading hundreds of reviews (man my eyes are sore) is a purpose that is not that typical. So here is the information I think someone would need to help me out with my choice of pedal: 1) It would be for live use (as opposed to studio) 2) Using a small mixer, I'm basically going to be performing as a one-man-band, building my songs up from the ground by way of looping (drums first, then bass, then piano etc.....about 4-5 total layers on the loop when I'm done constructing it). Then I pick up an acoustic guitar and play/sing along to my loop, then move on to the next song etc. 3) My songs consist of relatively short loops (ie: similar to hip hop), so I would sample a couple of bars of drums (20 seconds tops), then add the "riffs" overtop. I've basically narrowed it down to either the Echoplex, or the Boomerang, which are quite different in price, as you're all fully aware. If the Boomerang can satisfy my needs, please let me know. However there are two issues surrounding the Boomerang that I've seen in user reivews that I'd love to have confirmed or denied: 1) People complain that as you stack layers, the layers at the bottom of the stack become quieter to compensate for the new layers. In my case, the bottom layer would be the drums which I definetely do not want diminishing, since it's the foundation. Is there truth to this or are people just not setting their decay to "no decay"? Also, I'm only stacking 4-5 instruments, so could it be that these people are talking about loss of initial layers when they've added their 20th layer or something? 2) People compain about the sound quality. It's for live shows, so I'm not too concerned about EQ problems, but is there going to be a general "muddyness" happening if I'm layering thick instruments like the drums, bass, and piano together? As far as I can tell, the biggest plus for getting the Echoplex for live shows is that there is an "undo" function, and it seems easier to get your timing right by playing to a click track or something. For the money I save with the Boomerang, I figure I can just practice really hard until I'm consistent enough to not need these functions. Can someone PLEASE let me know which of these pedals is better for this one-man-band silliness (Or, if I've got it all wrong and there's another pedal that's better) ? I've been very giving to people in general for the past couple of weeks so that you'll all pick up on my good karma, forgive me for the excessively-long email, and offer me any advice you might have....my livlihood pretty much depends on it! Thanks so much for your time guys. Try and look at Christmas in a new way this year, -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 14:02:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBLIxmG01650; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:59:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:59:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FE5F0D1.34A32F5F@erols.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:13:21 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big Choice References: <20031221092448.848.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jessethom@canada.com wrote: > What's up everyone?! > > I could really use the advice of some knowledgable, > experienced loopers. > > I'm new to looping, and I'm trying to decide what pedal > to buy based on my intended purpose, which from what I > can tell from reading hundreds of reviews (man my eyes > are sore) is a purpose that is not that typical. > > So here is the information I think someone would need > to help me out with my choice of pedal: > > 1) It would be for live use (as opposed to studio) > 2) Using a small mixer, I'm basically going to be > performing as a one-man-band, building my songs up from > the ground by way of looping (drums first, then bass, > then piano etc.....about 4-5 total layers on the loop > when I'm done constructing it). Then I pick up an > acoustic guitar and play/sing along to my loop, then > move on to the next song etc. > 3) My songs consist of relatively short loops (ie: > similar to hip hop), so I would sample a couple of bars > of drums (20 seconds tops), then add the "riffs" > overtop. > > I've basically narrowed it down to either the Echoplex, > or the Boomerang, which are quite different in price, > as you're all fully aware. If the Boomerang can > satisfy my needs, please let me know. > However there are two issues surrounding the Boomerang > that I've seen in user reivews that I'd love to have > confirmed or denied: > > 1) People complain that as you stack layers, the layers > at the bottom of the stack become quieter to compensate > for the new layers. In my case, the bottom layer would > be the drums which I definetely do not want > diminishing, since it's the foundation. Is there truth > to this or are people just not setting their decay to > "no decay"? Also, I'm only stacking 4-5 instruments, > so could it be that these people are talking about loss > of initial layers when they've added their 20th layer > or something? > > 2) People compain about the sound quality. It's for > live shows, so I'm not too concerned about EQ problems, > but is there going to be a general "muddyness" > happening if I'm layering thick instruments like the > drums, bass, and piano together? > > As far as I can tell, the biggest plus for getting the > Echoplex for live shows is that there is an "undo" > function, and it seems easier to get your timing right > by playing to a click track or something. For the > money I save with the Boomerang, I figure I can just > practice really hard until I'm consistent enough to not > need these functions. > > Can someone PLEASE let me know which of these pedals is > better for this one-man-band silliness (Or, if I've got > it all wrong and there's another pedal that's better) ? > > I've been very giving to people in general for the past > couple of weeks so that you'll all pick up on my good > karma, forgive me for the excessively-long email, and > offer me any advice you might have....my livlihood > pretty much depends on it! > > Thanks so much for your time guys. > > Try and look at Christmas in a new way this year, > -Jesse Hey Jesse, I use the Echoplex in a similar context, do drums though. I would highly recommend the EDP, for it's sound quality, tight rhythmic timing, and ability to do many things that other loopers can't. I would investigate Keller Williams album entitled Loop. I know that he uses an EDP now, and does the one man band thing quite well. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 15:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBLKk6M22858; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:46:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:46:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <3FE5F0D1.34A32F5F@erols.com> References: <20031221092448.848.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> <3FE5F0D1.34A32F5F@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Jamman 32sec. chips Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:47:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e265437b330389fdeee57213730d162aee292dfe6209a9096b523350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just picked up a new, in the box, Jamman and was wondering where to get the chips to upgrade to 32 sec. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 17:23:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBLMKfH08479; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:20:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:20:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3c811$4b348c00$1fa35e82@audiows> From: "David. Auker." To: References: <006301c3c7e2$11c16850$b6705643@elfmaster> Subject: Re: freshsensation Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:25:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_SSOSD.A.VEC.5yh5_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure if it will make me a better looper, but I enjoyed the Flash fun. Fun trying to detective through it, finding the right buttons to continue. Nice graphics! David A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: freshsensation > http://www.freshsensation.com/samorost.swf > Flash file > > via: Namaste > Ruth Jüling, Berlin, Germany > RuthJueling@ web.de > > Interesting all the subtle changes... like watching nature through your > computer screen... > > Rem > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 19:16:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBM0FIS24208; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:15:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:15:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031222001512.23691.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Jamman 32sec. chips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Just picked up a new, in the box, Jamman and was > wondering where to get > the chips to upgrade to 32 sec. Thanks. Rogue Music sells them for $72.00. http://www.roguemusic.com/gear_new.html John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 21 22:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBM3kRa29493; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:46:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:46:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:51:54 -0500 Subject: DD 20, MIDI From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Andy Morris" >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:47:06 +0000 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: DD 20 vs RC 20 >can the dd-20 overdub? Yes indeed. Once you have the loop going, you can press the same pedal and overdub indefinitely, up to white noise, 23 secs. I guess my fave thing is that for LIVE performance this thing shines. The looper+4 preset delays+a LCD screen so you can see delay time or loop status from quite a distance. Great onstage device for the price. >From: "Michael Stauffer" >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:23:17 -0500 >To: "Looper Delight List" >Subject: Midi Looping (was: who here uses MIDI?) [snip..]I've recently got into playing my midi guitar (strat with Roland GK-2A and GR-33 module) and the part I love is that I can switch sounds very quickly, from bass to pitched bell to helicopter. I love the GK2A world. But - a little clarification - it isn't MIDI traveling down the GK cable -but a Roland wiring/hex-pickup scheme. The GR units all spit out MIDI real well though, making the ubiquitous used units a cheap alternative to the GI-10 or other rack mount guitar-midi devices. >The part I don't like is the just-barely-perceptable delay between hitting a >note and hearing the sound. You nailed it - that's the crux of the midi-guitar 'problem' or on the bright side we could call it a 'characteristic'. I find it depends on the sound. For instance - fast attack sounds like marimbas, vibes, percussion and flute sound great and can track insanely fast and clean lines. But synth washes and some horns & keyboard sounds etc can sound like crap. Pick and choose. Also - you can make some drastic changes if you dig into the programming - you should have some settings for string sensitivity. The status of your guitar neck becomes super important for synth guitar as well. It should be well set up, and as free of fret-buzzes and wierdly decaying notes as you can make it. The Nut, and your guitar's individual sustain will also play a huge part in how notes are sounded and decay. Like you said - mixing in a little guitar makes a huge difference re: the attack being there for your ear. Guitar synth will be the endless debate - but the bottom line for me is that it IS doable in an excellent way - Pat Metheny, Steve Morse, John McLaughlin - all have shown that you can get some amazing music going. I'd say Morse of all people - audiences actually probably don't even realize HOW MUCH of the synth stuff is him - when they are watching the Morse Band, the Dregs or Deep Purple. He's developed a way to have several guitar sounds and synth sounds all under volume pedal control, like a big mixing board in front of him. >I'd love to get a Starr labs guitar controller some day when I can afford one. Now THAT's the deal!! those are great - I never played one - but when I saw Vernon Reid with GUITAR OBLIQUE (Reid, Torn and Elliot Sharp) he had one - and they track ridiculously (perfect?) - but I think as reluctant as guitarists are to try this technology, a guitar with no strings on the neck weirds out most of the people I've talked to about it. Guitar synth - it's just one posssible tool. I have personally been having more fun making bizarre synth like sounds out of moogerfooger and filtering stuff, but the synth is a nice drone maker and spice. -Andre' east From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 22 01:34:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBM6V3706220; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:31:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.1712dca4.2d17e99e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:30:54 EST Subject: Re: EDP malfunction? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dc.1712dca4.2d17e99e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10705 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dc.1712dca4.2d17e99e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, This is probably "bad" advice... It seems that it is impossible to get valid authorized tech support for the product... I have one very temperamental EDP, and another one that can be thrown off a building and not even stutter the loop... With the finicky one, on occasion I open it up, and push the little caterpillars in place... I view it metaphorically as chiropractic care for my EDP... It never seems to solve my problem long term, but its always a good 2 to 3 month fix... There is my unauthorized, potentially warranty voiding 2 cents... --part1_1dc.1712dca4.2d17e99e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,<= BR>
This is probably "bad" advice...

It seems that it is impossible to get valid authorized tech support for the=20= product...

I have one very temperamental EDP, and another one that can be thrown off a=20= building and not even stutter the loop...

With the finicky one, on occasion I open it up, and push the little caterpil= lars in place...

I view it metaphorically as chiropractic care for my EDP...

It never seems to solve my problem long term, but its always a good 2 to 3 m= onth fix...

There is my unauthorized, potentially warranty voiding 2 cents...
--part1_1dc.1712dca4.2d17e99e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 22 07:27:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hBMCQ9d09439; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1072095958!6064547 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533DFD@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: freshsensation Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:19:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3C885.CA406810" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39992 X-Loop: